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Corey Booker yesterday do we have the audio?

I do want to give you a chance to speak about your comments on gay and lesbians.

You said in a speech that

mourning an America that endorses perversion and calls it an alternative lifestyle, is your words,

is being gay a perversion?

Okay, can I ask?

I mean,

what does this have to do with the Secretary of State?

What does this have to do?

I mean, are we going to get into negotiations

with Kim Jong-un about this?

He wanted to know about gay sex.

Corey Booker, stop the campaigning for just a second, will you?

All right.

If you want to know where this is headed,

let me just start here.

You should read about Salem, Massachusetts in 1693.

Witchcraft is not what's on trial here.

Faith,

religious doctrine, Christianity, that's what's on trial here.

Because that's what happened.

Booker was

trying

to pull out of the closet

Christianity.

He was trying Pompeo's Christianity.

What would have happened if he would have taken the bait?

What would be the follow-up question?

Are you or are you not a Christian?

Are you now or have you ever been a Christian?

How many times do you pray?

Do you go to church every week?

What's the follow-up?

Is my Constitution copy, the one that I have, different than everybody else's?

Because in mine,

freedom of religion is covered under the First Amendment.

In fact, it's in the First Amendment to make sure that there was no religious litmus test to be able to serve in the government.

You didn't have to believe one thing that somebody else didn't believe.

This is why it's in the Constitution, because you used to have to go to a certain church and believe in a certain thing.

Our founder said, nope, everybody can, it doesn't matter what church you go to.

Doesn't matter if you don't go to church.

It doesn't matter.

Should it matter that Pompeo believes that gay sex is a sin?

Or can we think

what we want?

Can we all believe, see, this is an argument my daughter and I had years ago, and now she has come to me and said, oh, wow, wait a minute, this isn't about love.

No, it wasn't.

It was for the average person.

It was for the average person.

Hey, I have a right to love who I want to love.

You do.

Okay, good.

The government shouldn't be in this business of marriage at all.

But there was a lot of other people where it wasn't about love.

It was about control.

It was about getting everybody else to believe and think what they believe and think.

See, I thought that was the problem.

I thought that was the problem that people had with religious people, that they were always trying to get you to believe and think exactly what they believe and think.

I've always thought, let's leave each other alone.

But I can't figure out for the life of me a group of people, how a group of people who have been forced to live in a closet, forced to not be who they are.

How all of a sudden they want to force other people

into their way of thinking.

Will every Christian belief soon be on trial in the hollowed halls of Washington, D.C.?

I mean, I know we're not going to try other religions, just Christianity.

Will everything Christians view as sinful suddenly make them inadequate or disqualified from public service?

Look, I have to tell you, I don't have a problem with Christianity at all.

I have a problem with Christians, sure.

Jesus, save me from your followers.

I think that an awful lot

because none of us are living it.

I mean,

I don't know if I can be called a Christian.

Or I should say, I don't know if Jesus would call me a Christian.

I would hope so, but I don't know.

Christianity is absolutely under attack.

We all have to start living it.

But you can't tell me that if Keith Ellison, a practicing Muslim, was sitting in the same spot,

that he'd be given the same question.

They wouldn't have dared ask Keith Ellison anything like that about his religion.

But Pompeo's Christianity, it's fair game.

For some reason, it's easier for them to believe that a Muslim is capable of being both religious and able to champion secular rights of people,

but a Christian isn't somehow.

I mean,

Muslims in the Middle East are throwing gay people off of rooftops.

But we won't question that.

And quite honestly, I don't think we have to question that.

We have to know: do you want to throw people off rooftops?

But

that wasn't okay for Pompeo to say.

Pompeo said yesterday that, look, I've treated everybody the same.

My view is my view, but I treat everybody the same.

Okay, then I'm cool with that.

Hey,

Mr.

Keith Ellison, do you believe that homosexuality is a sin?

Can't ask that question.

I don't want to.

I want to ask this, and I think I know the, I think, I think I know the answer, Keith Ellison.

Do you believe that people are right throwing gay people off the rooftops?

He's going to say no.

Okay.

Does anybody remember this comment?

I believe

that marriage is

not just a bond, but a sacred bond between a man and a woman.

Okay, Hillary Clinton breezed through her confirmation in near record time.

Did you notice that no one asked her about the heresy of declaring marriage as being between a man and a woman?

If it's so pivotal, being the Secretary of State, why didn't they ask her that?

Oh, because she learned.

No, she didn't.

She was either lying then or she is lying now.

She only came to this enlightened position when it became popular in the polls.

Now, maybe it's maybe they didn't ask her because her last name is Clinton.

But it's also because Christianity is under attack like never before.

We all have to put on the full armor of God

because

we ain't headed anyplace good

and the witchcraft trials are coming soon.

It's Friday, April 13th.

This is the Glenn Beck program.

It's shameful what's going on.

But as long as we're living our lives the way we're supposed to be, as long as we humble ourselves, and as long as we

live in love, I think we're going to be okay.

It's going to just get harder and harder to do.

And we've got 12 warships setting sail for Syria.

This no longer sounds like a little missile strike.

And we have telegraphed what we're going to do.

And so Syria is moving all of their armaments onto Russian bases, which is going to make it even harder.

And we're building a coalition.

And apparently Donald Trump and John Bolton want to send a strong message and the Pentagon is warning

we're one mistake away here from having a war with Russia.

We're bringing in Jason Battrill, who is

a senior advisor and researcher,

specializing in military and

foreign operations.

Hello, Jason.

Howdy.

So what are we heading for for here?

12 warships.

So we've got a carrier strike.

I think it's the Truman heading in that direction.

So that's about a total of six ships, the aircraft carrier and its support group.

And then we also already have four destroyers in that area already with two submarines.

So this is one of the larger buildups that we've seen probably since the Iraq invasion.

Big difference there was there were six aircraft carriers, so there was a lot of firepower, but that was an invasion.

This is obviously not an invasion, but this is still a very large buildup of firepower.

Now, if you consider the coalition that you talked about this building with the UK and France, if they even match that together by half

each country, then we're looking at a significant force.

Now, what that tells us is that they're not going to do what they did last time.

It's not just going to be 59 Tomahawk cruise missiles at a random airport, you know, Syrian base.

and a few planes.

And by the way, that airfield that we hit last time was operational in a matter of hours.

So that last track did nothing.

So that's what Mattis is telling Donald Trump right now.

He's saying, look, what we did last time didn't really do anything.

It didn't do anything then.

It didn't deter chemical weapons use because they're still using them like crazy.

It didn't do anything.

So what you have to do now,

if you don't want to do something pointless, is go all in.

You need to build a coalition.

You need to strike multiple targets and actually do something that's going to cause you to do it.

What are doing?

What are we doing?

And what does all in mean?

All in means an invasion.

It means a full war, right?

Is that what you think they should do?

Or you think that they are they even considering that?

Because they tend to deny that they're even considering that.

Yeah, well, I don't think an invasion

is quote-unquote all in on this.

I think that they're looking to significantly...

The only thing that

would justify this is if they damage him enough, that regime change would come organically.

That would come out.

So the thing that changed the face of the war was Russian air power.

So coalition, NATO coalition air power would reverse that.

So a la,

Libya, Gaddafi, something along those lines.

That would be their all-in.

And luckily, Libya worked out really well.

Great.

That was a huge

home run.

We create this power vacuum.

That's not going to be good.

Because Iran is going to sweep in.

Right?

You're exactly right.

And the Joint Chiefs have actually said that before.

They've made hints.

So what are we doing?

What do you think the plan is?

That's a very good question.

I don't think they've had a plan for a very long time.

They've handed

the area over to Iran.

They've got no plans about what to do now.

So Iran is basically just taking over Syria, Iraq.

We've got no plans.

We're sitting there with the Kurds, wondering, what the heck do we do all the time our NATO ally is coming down and killing the Kurds?

So we're sitting there like saying, hey, you know, basically these Kurdish forces are our only footprint in this country.

If we give in, which I believe we will, and let Turkey go ahead and take the Kurds out,

then what's our plan?

So now, really, they're looking at, okay, we have to give the Kurds to Turkey.

They got to.

I don't want that to happen, but they really have to.

You know, do you side with the Kurds or do you give in to a NATO ally?

They're going to give in to the NATO ally.

It shouldn't have been a NATO ally in the first place.

Completely agree.

So we have the Syrian government and Hezbollah.

They have reportedly evacuated the weapons from key locations, and Assad has moved his planes to the Russian-operated bases.

He's no dummy.

So

we can't hit a Russian base.

You would hope not.

But that is exactly what Mattis said

in the leaked conversations in their meeting yesterday, was that Bolton and Trump were like, yeah, let's do it.

But Mattis and Dumford were like, whoa,

there's significant chance for a mistake to happen here, which has been there

since since the coalition against ISIS has happened, but never so more than now, right now.

So if we do actually say, okay, forget that, we're still going to go all in, quote unquote, and go for some of these military assets,

what if we make a mistake on our end and take out a couple Russian troops?

This will spiral out of control.

What if they, just, what if their S-400 missile system, which is the most advanced one in the world, kicks off and downs a B-2 bomber or a Raptor or any other coalition aircraft?

This will spiral out of control.

The chances for a mistake here are huge and the consequences are catastrophic.

We haven't been in a situation like this.

I don't think in an armed military when have we ever during the Cold War been this close to Russian or Soviet soldiers?

Cuban missile crisis.

Exactly.

It sounds as if you're saying it's not worth the risk.

Is that your analysis?

I mean, if you had to break it down, is that what you think?

Yeah,

exactly.

I don't think it's worth the risk.

And if they believe it's worth the risk, it's such heavy consequences.

this has to go to Congress.

Has to.

And regardless, even if they're going to do that,

even if it's not just a limited little strike like last year, they have to go to Congress.

This has to be putting it on the street.

So here's what's really disturbing to me.

If you look at like the front page of the Drudge Report, or really pretty much anybody,

you're not seeing this lead because nobody's clicking on that story.

You're just not clicking on that story because it hasn't, nobody's given this perspective yet.

Nobody has said, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.

Stop talking about Comey.

Stop talking, stop promoting his new book.

Yeah, but he was shaking his hands and he made a mental note that his hands weren't as small as had been reported.

Did you hear that?

Did you guys hear that?

That's incredible.

What an incredible leak.

This is what we're concentrating on.

And the press is letting us down again, but this time it may have serious consequences for the entire republic quickly

because we cannot go into war with Russia.

And

it seems as though that's the way we're moving, and that's the way the rest of the world is moving.

Can we pause for a second and have a conversation?

You're right, Jason.

This needs to go to Congress.

Congress needs to rule on this one because the consequences are far too high.

They're far too great

here to

just have somebody make the decision and go in and do something where it could clearly be World War III.

If they would shoot down a B-2 or if we would hit their planes and their men and they responded by launching at our battle group and they sunk a ship or two, can you even imagine?

I don't want war with Russia.

At least I don't want one one that just starts on a Tuesday and we're all looking at each other Wednesday going, wait, wait, wait, what the hell just happened?

America, we've got to wake up.

We've got to have serious conversations.

Stop talking about James Comey.

And as I say that, CNN has their interview with James Comey.

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so

President Trump now is

set to pardon Scooter Libby.

It's a brilliant piece of strategy.

It is.

First of all, Comey appointed the person who brought the charges against him, so it's a kind of a sticking in the face of Comey.

Yeah, but more importantly, more importantly, it sends a great message to anyone who might do something, which is if you're loyal to the president, guess who gets pardoned?

Guess who gets pardoned in the end?

By the way, completely Trump's right to do.

I don't think he's wrong in pardoning Scooter Libby.

I think the charges were largely nonsense against him anyway.

So he's not doing anything wrong here, but the timing is a nice piece of strategy.

It's a heck of a nice piece of strategy because it sends dual messages, kind of a middle finger to James Comey, and at the same time, a reminder

to people who may or may not talk to certain special counsel

that if you stay loyal, that in the end there might be some

good.

Look at what Washington and the media are circling around.

I mean, pardoning Scooter Libby,

we're being told by Russia that we're on the eve of World War III,

and this is what the press and Washington is dealing with.

Glenn, back.

Mercury.

This is the Glenn Beck program.

There is a new show starting tonight on PBS

called In Principle.

It is hosted.

Try this out for side.

It's hosted by Amy Holmes, who was with us.

She was, I think, like employee number two or three of the Blaze.

She was our news anchor for years, a conservative.

And Michael Gershund, who was a speechwriter for George W.

Bush, a senior advisor for Bush, also a conservative.

Grace, I think her last name is

Coulter.

She is the senior producer or the series producer.

And I think she was hired by PBS from Sinclair.

So I don't know how any of this happened, but it's on PBS of all places, a conservative talk show, and I'm going to be a guest on it tonight.

Welcome to Amy and Michael.

How are you?

Good morning.

Doing great.

Glad to be with you.

So

first of all,

do you guys have any comment on how this, I mean, is it the rapture in 10 days that brought this show to PBS?

No, they came to us, WTA, here in Washington.

I think they've been wanting to do a program like this for a while.

You know, program, it's not an ideological program.

We deal with things broadly, but the topics are of interest to people in the center and center-right, I think.

And, you know, the goal is to have sort of a civil discussion about not the issues of the day, but really sort of the ideas beneath the news, what's going on in the realm of ideas.

And, you know, they came came to us, so we were honored to do it.

Michael, let me ask you, because you were in the White House

with Bush from 2001 to 2006,

I'm really disturbed by

what things look like we're doing or preparing to do over in Syria.

I'm not really sure, but things are really quite tense.

What was it like when you were in the White House on days like this or weeks like this?

Well, we had too many of them, you know, with 9-11 and Afghanistan and Iraq,

surge in Iraq.

These were

extraordinary days.

My fear is that the process in the White House seems to be chaotic.

I trust some of the actors like

Secretary Mattis at the Defense Department, who was really a thoughtful and responsible guy.

But when you have the President announcing policies in tweets and then withdrawing them in tweets,

you know,

you've crossed some line.

I'm fearful about the process and the way they make decisions, which seems to be chaotic.

And process can really matter when it comes to life and death decisions.

Are we preparing for war?

Do you guys think?

Amy, do you think are we preparing for war?

I don't know if we're preparing for war, and I don't think that.

I'm not sure Amy's there.

No, she's there, so we can hear her.

her Michael you probably can't

go ahead Amy

yeah I I don't I don't think that we're necessarily preparing for war and the president I don't think has signaled that

I don't think the American people want more engagement in the Middle East I think there's actually fatigue about engagement in the Middle East and of course the president campaigned on so what did we get out of all of this It doesn't seem particularly clear.

And then after eight years of the Obama administration and the Middle East becoming even even more chaotic, I think the American people are certainly not prepared for that.

I don't know about the process in terms of decision-making.

We saw that there was the bombing after the chemical attack

some months ago by the President.

But I don't think that he's geared up for some sort of full-scale military conflict.

I hope you're right.

Corey Booker yesterday went after Pompeo's

Christianity.

Does that have a place in a hearing for

the head of the State Department?

Well, that's the first I'm hearing of it.

Glenn, can you give us a few more details?

I mean, in fact, we have no religious tests for office in the United States.

That's part of the Constitution.

This has raised its head also in judicial nominations, particularly with Catholics,

where their faith is questioned.

Are they going to be

unbiased?

As though religious people can't make judgments about law and fact.

So I think that this is one of the problems, is a kind of secularism that says religious motivations and views are somehow off limits, as though other people don't have their own philosophic approaches and views.

It's kind of privileging a secular perspective instead of saying we all are informed by our most basic beliefs and should be.

So, yeah,

I think that's a serious problem when you create a suspect class based on religious belief.

I'm really excited to have a new show with conservative perspective that everybody's going to be able to see.

I think it's a really exciting thing.

Amy, though, answer me this question.

Should I be excited?

Because the first guest is Glenn Beck.

Does he say anything in this interview that will end our careers?

No, you should not be excited at all about Bryn Back being on TV.

Of course, of course.

And,

you know,

we were discussing this after our interview with Mr.

Beck,

that we're there for open conversation.

And viewers, listeners, when they watch tonight, they're going to get that.

They're going to get thoughtful, reflective, candid, and you know

self-critical discussion.

And Glenn, you were asked very directly by my co-host Michael about some of the motivations that are built into the structure of media, like getting rating, getting more clicks, getting more likes, getting more upvotes.

And how does that influence possibly content for hosts and guests and so forth?

And Glenn, you were pretty candid about that.

You're just like, yeah.

Well, I pay attention.

It matters.

I will tell you this, that I've done, obviously, a lot of interviews, and

I was really impressed the way you two worked together and how you let

me answer.

And

it wasn't a jump on every word that I say.

You had some tough questions, obviously, but it was a chance to actually speak.

without being interrupted and without argument, just honest questions, which I don't see very often.

Well, that's the goal of our show.

That's the goal of, you know, when the show was conceived, it's just like

there's a lot of the sort of World Wrestling Federation of Politics on cable news, and you see people in their corners, and the bell rings, and then they go to battle.

And we felt like there's a real hunger and a real need to have a more expansive, thoughtful, and illuminating conversation about the politics, policies, and issues that really matter.

And so that's what we're that's what we're aiming for.

Well, guys, thank you so much.

We will be watching tonight, 8:30 Eastern time.

It happens on Fridays following Washington Week, Fridays on PBS.

It's called In Principle.

And we wish you all the luck, and we'll see you tonight on your first episode.

The first episode airs tonight, 8:30 p.m.

Eastern, 7:30 Central at PBS.

You can go to pbs.org/slash in principles, the name of the show.

The hashtag is in principle on PBS.

Have we slipped through another wormhole yet?

I mean, it's again, it's PBS doing a conservative show.

I don't know.

That's good, though.

I mean, it's nice to have a, I think, I'm really interested to watch the show because of the

format that allows, I think, a more,

you know,

a conversation that doesn't lend itself completely to sound bite answers with everyone cutting each other off.

I mean, I think we're at a point now with conservatism where it's important to

have the voices from across that spectrum to be able to talk and

actually let ideas come out.

I mean, you will look at it on social media and you have this situation where you make a comment and then you have 500 people yelling at you and it just devolves so quickly.

It was really quite interesting and very self-reflective.

I mean, I don't know.

I think I interviewed with him for about an hour or so, and

I think the interview is going to end up being about 12 minutes.

So I don't know what.

Which is still pretty long.

Yeah, still very long.

For television, that's an eternity.

But I'm anxious to see

what they use.

But

it was a real good...

open discussion where we we probed all of the media i think that's what people like generally speaking when talk radio is at its best

There are times where it sucks, of course.

But when talk radio is at its best, you've got 15 hours a week to dissect important issues and hopefully be entertained and everything along the way.

But I mean, the goal being to be able to discuss those issues with a little bit of context, with a little bit of space, a little bit of a breathing room.

You know, I think we've gone we get further and further away from that in the sort of clickbaity

social media sort of world

but i i think that's the strength of of what talk radio has brought to the table for decades and you know hopefully if they can get to a point um and it seems like this is what they're going for we can have actual conversations that aren't cut off every 10 seconds it was nice

the the name of the show says it all it's in principle uh and and that's what we have to talk about We have to talk about the bigger principles, this Comey stuff today, which is just

promoting his book.

That's all this is doing is promoting a book.

And like, you you know, Fox News, we have criticism of Fox News over the years.

There are things that we don't like that they do.

But

the sort of media criticism of Fox is that they're not taking the news seriously because all they want to do is defend Trump.

And you'll see, they'll show, you know, journalists all the time I see in my feed tweet things like, look at this, what's going on.

And you'll see, you know, Russia scandal, Russia scandal, and then like Tucker Carlson's talking about panda bears or something.

Did you see this one?

Yeah.

There's been a bunch of these that have come around all at the same time.

Like, here's these other networks, MSNBC and CNN, taking things seriously while Fox is over there doing what they do, trying to ignore the big news.

I got to tell you, I watched, I was in my office.

Stop, stop.

Fox News, Trump weighs Syria options with allies.

Yes.

CNN, Trump allies fear feds have Cohen conversation days.

Yeah, and I'll tell you.

Which one is the real news here?

Exactly.

And you can talk about motivation all you want.

You could say that, you know, maybe they're talking about this because they think the Comey book is bad for Trump.

You can make that accusation.

But I watched two, I was in my office working yesterday afternoon for two hours, and I just had to keep glancing up at the television to see what was happening.

This is right as the Comey stuff is coming out.

And it's true.

The Fox News spent a little bit, not much time on the stuff that was breaking from the Comey book.

But you know what they were talking about?

Issues of substance.

They were talking about Syria.

They were talking about Russia.

They were talking about important issues that were going on right now.

You know what they were doing on CNN?

They were talking about pee-pee tapes.

They were talking about pee-pee tapes.

They were talking about

the clip that came out about James Comey noticing that Trump's hands were smaller than his, but not abnormally small.

They were talking about all the gossip coming out of this book for two straight hours while Fox was at least talking about important issues.

They were talking about real things that actually matter to people.

The Syria thing is really,

really serious.

It's really serious.

And when I got home yesterday and I saw the, as you call them, the pee-pee tapes.

I didn't call them the pee-pee tapes.

They were calling them pee-pee tapes on CNN.

They were talking about golden showers.

They were talking about

all of it, all on CNN.

Okay, so I read the story.

I didn't see.

I've stopped watching television.

But

I read the story when I got home and I thought,

Pee P tapes?

First of all, if you know anything about Donald Trump, you know that he's a germaphobe.

So there is no way, there's no way he wants anybody's, there's no way he wants his PP in him or around him, okay, let alone anybody else's.

But this is what we're talking about?

Seriously?

Something that

any sane individual

or any insane reporter who is at least honest about Donald Trump and who he is,

chiefly a germaphobe, knows that's not happening.

Any journalist who's honest about Russia knows that's from the Russian playbook on how to discredit people.

Please.

And you're talking about this while Russia is talking about World War III.

And one quick thing on the Comey book.

There are two ways that books leak early.

Okay.

One, the publisher says, let's take this excerpt, this excerpt, this expert, excerpt, this most salacious stuff and leak it out there so that the people, the media will jump all over it and will promote the book.

The other is the entire book gets out to multiple people.

They go through the whole thing and they start picking the most salacious.

There's a big distinction there.

If this is

the media getting a hold of this book and telling you the best stuff from inside of it, there's nothing in this book.

Nothing.

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So this Comey thing with the tapes, they're making a big deal about how he went to James Comey and asked him, hey, you know, I'm really worried my wife believes this.

I want you to investigate it and show that it's not true.

And they're making this out to be this big controversy.

Now, whether that's appropriate for him to do to the FBI director is one thing, but the other thing is, if he actually had done it, he wouldn't assign a person he's completely uncomfortable with, James Comey, to investigate whether it's true or not.

Stop thinking us through.

Stop it.

This is absolves using logic and reason.

That's not what we do in the media now.

Stop it.

Come up with some distorted headline that everybody can just click on that has nothing to do with what you just said.

Bill O'Reilly's next.

Glenn, back.

Mercury.

Love.

Courage.

Truth.

Glenn, back.

The patriarchy has

strikes again.

It has striked again, and I don't know what to do.

Washington State University has canceled its fat studies class.

Fat studies.

I can't study fatness anymore at Washington State University.

The fat activists all over the country are furious now.

The moment they finish their second plate of refried tofu, they're going to waddle out into the street and scream at the sky, why?

Why?

Throughout the country, campus feminists are quivering, terrified that fat shaming will only get worse now.

So let's talk about the fact that fat studies class exists.

Now I want you to know I speak to you as Lord of the Fat People.

I speak to you from my chair in my studio that smells, well,

it smells like donuts with just a hint

of cinnabon.

And this is the room that I usually sit in after the show in my underpants and eat Oreo cookies cookies by the sleeve.

So I speak to you as an expert.

So let's talk about fat studies.

First of all, take a guess which program the class is under.

If you said women's studies, you win a Diet Coke and a cheeseburger.

The course is a, quote, examination of weight-based oppression as a social justice issue with other systems of oppression based on gender, race, class, age, sexual orientation, and ability.

The Antifa mask and the Drumpf t-shirt is not included.

Our country is now in the throes of an obesity epidemic and academics are concerned about fat inclusive bikinis and I am not kidding you the anti-male gaze

the anti-male gaze.

Yes, that's right.

The fat studies folks have flipped the feminist concept of the male gaze, which claims that the patriarchy is triggered by white cisgender men whose oppressive gaze

vilifies women, worsens misogyny.

In a gasping contradiction, an inadvertent counterexample of the original theory, Fat-shaming and fat study feminists claim that anytime white cisgender men don't find

overweight women attractive and are practicing the anti-gaze, it's because they're misogynistic.

So, wait, so wait,

I need a, okay, hold on.

I need somebody from the campus to answer which one is it?

I'm a misogynist if I gaze, or I'm a misogynist if I don't gaze.

Now, I don't expect an answer because, you know, they're all too busy fighting for the rights of oppressed communities, often without invitation.

I mean, I'm fat.

I never asked them to fight for me.

Oh, is it because I'm a male and I'm white, so I don't count?

Now, tuition at Washington State runs about $5,000 per class.

That's a that's a waste of money you're never gonna get back.

This course is run by doctor Deborah Christal,

who has applied her PhD in sports psychology, women's study, and apparel design to help students understand fat stigma, weight bias, and thin privilege.

Also, of course, the weight-based oppression.

Now, her writings have been featured, and I'm not sure if this has been peer-reviewed, but

her writings often appear in the journal Fat Studies.

I get that all the time.

I can't, I tried to, I tried to cancel my subscription, but they make it so hard to, you know, to stop getting that monthly magazine, Fat Studies.

So I don't know what to do.

Anyway, she uses critical feminist theory and

I love this, narrative pedagogies to

fight fat stigma by promoting activism to erode the thin-centric orientation among students.

What the hell are you talking about?

First of all, the word critical is academically go for neo-Marxist.

Anytime you hear a professor or academic rattle on about critical theory, they're talking about Marx.

They're basing what they say now on the principles of the Frankfurt School, also known as Neo-Marxism.

And narrative pedagogies?

It's academic code for a form of teaching based on relativism, in which students and teachers use their subjective experiences to learn.

Because any idea can be interpreted in an infinite number of ways.

Because there is no meaning, there is no truth, there is no objective reality.

Postmodernism, meaning the fat studies movement.

Like much of the campus anti-logic modern feminism and social justice leftism, is based on the objective statement that there are no objective statements.

Wait, what?

And since feelings are facts, concepts like

fat phobia, microaggression, cisgender white privilege are all considered not just legitimate, but indisputably true, even though there is no actual truth.

So it's the food's fault.

No, no wait, it's not the food's fault.

It's the patriarchy's fault.

It's the patriarchy that forced me to eat that second tub of cinnamon-laced cupcake batter.

And I know who the leader of this troop is.

Yes.

It's Friday, April 13th.

You want to talk about this is the Glenn Beck program.

You want to talk about cisgender bias.

Bill O'Reilly comes to mind, forcing me to eat sleeve after sleeve sleeve of Oreo cookies.

What's cisgender back?

What is that?

It's just like you not to know, Bill.

Just like you not to know.

What is it?

I have no idea.

I have no idea.

I think cisgender is.

Cisgender is male-female.

I got that.

Cisgender is.

This is what we traditionally thought of as gender back in the days where we were ill-informed and non-evolved.

So when you say male and female, male and female doesn't really exist anymore.

It's cisgender.

You're a closed-minded bigot.

Oh.

It's old school.

You're a corpulent.

I don't know what else to call you.

I think that was a fancy word for fat.

I think that's what word of the day.

Bill O'Reilly just called me fat.

Look on billo'reilly.com.

We have a special section for people who overeat.

And we applaud them.

Yes.

Yeah, we encourage that you you fulfill your basic desires.

And if you're Zophtig,

we like you just the same.

Wow.

BillO'Reilly.com is cisgendered.

Whatever that is, we are.

And we want people to go there.

I think that's bad.

I think that's bad.

Isn't that bad, Stude, and being cisgender bad?

I think, no, it's just the,

it's the new word for the traditional understanding of gender.

Okay, well, I don't think you understand, okay, because

there is no objective truth.

Okay, I'm sorry.

Okay, so Bill O'Reilly, lots to talk to you about.

First, can we start with important news, and then we'll go to the big news.

But important news, what the hell's happening with Syria?

Well, I think that there is a

fear

on the part of the Trump administration that

if

the United States launches military action, which would have to be bombings, missiles, that kind of thing, no ground action, that the stock market will tank,

it'll interrupt the economy, it'll cause unintended consequences, Putin will do something rotten, Iran will too.

So it'll throw off

all the things that Trump wants to accomplish.

That's what's holding them back, the unintended consequences.

Yeah, no, Aid,

I'm asking you.

We're just

sending 12 warships over into the area.

This will be the biggest buildup since, I think, the Iraq war.

We're building a coalition.

It makes me a little nervous that there's more than just a couple of missiles being

lobbed over, or that we're afraid that Russia may respond as they say they are.

Well, the Russian fleet

got out of Tardis.

That's their Mediterranean port.

The reason that Putin is in Syria is is because he made a deal with Assad to have a big airbase there and to have a port, Tartis, T-A-R-T-U-S.

You'll remember that St.

Paul hung out in Tartis.

Anyway, that's why Putin is in there.

He's got his Mediterranean port.

But the Soviet warships are out of there.

They were ordered to leave.

So I think it's a good thing that warships are going.

I'd like to see some British and French warships as well.

Because if you basically set up a blockade

of

Syria, you can do them heavy, heavy economic damage without shooting anybody.

So that might be the way to go here.

The guy who's calling the shots is Mattis, the Defense Secretary.

It's not Trump calling the shots here.

Mattis is really in charge.

So

you don't believe the rumor that Trump and

Bolton are asking for a hard line and

Pentagon with Mattis are pushing back and saying, no, no, no, Mr.

President, we don't want to go that far.

No, I think Bolton and Mattis are pretty simpatico, word of the day.

And Mattis is the lead on this.

See, Bolton's not going to go in and start to break the furniture on his second day there, third day there.

So I think that's a scenario, and I kind of like the blockade thing.

I think that that's a message, and that can do a lot of harm to Syria and hurt Assad's power base.

Okay.

As I look up at the televisions and the monitors, I keep seeing Fox News talking about, you know, pretty much actual news the whole day, and CNN just continues to focus on Comey and the pee-pee tapes.

I know.

You know, I wrote a column and I hope I sent it to you back because I always send my columns to Glenn Deck just for his his approval.

I never get it, but I sent it.

From now on, I'm going to copy Stu.

Maybe I'll get approval from Stu.

Thank you, Beth.

Smart.

But anyway, look, there is no media, honest media in this country anymore.

And anything that they can grab to hammer Trump, they will.

The real irony on this is that CNN hated Comey when Comey was going after Hillary Clinton.

And I had Lanny Davis on billoreilly.com two days ago, and he broke some news.

He said that he talked to the Inspector General of the Justice Department about Comey and handed over documents that make Comey look like a complete phony and a complete fraud.

This is Lanny Davis saying it.

And Lanny Davis, of course, is a very close friend of the Clintons.

So

it's instructive to watch now how Comey's the good guy again because Comey is trying to demean and to besmirch Donald Trump, which is a horrible situation for a former FBI director who had the highest clearance of security to write a tawdry book smearing, you know, yes, Trump fired him.

Yes, we know Comey doesn't like him, but to get down in the gutter, that really reflects poorly on James.

I will tell you,

the one thing that I saw that I thought was remarkably slimy,

and, you know, what is the name of the book?

Like, you know, a higher honor or something like that, I thought was totally dishonorable.

He told the story, whether it's true or not, I don't know, but he told the story that General Kelly came to him after Trump fired him and

said, you know, I can't work for a dishonorable man and I'm going to quit after this.

And he had built this up like, you know, General Kelly was the one stabilizing factor and yada, yada, yada.

And then he exposes him as coming out and saying that.

I mean, that

if you begin that any human being had with James Comey is obviously

not going to be kept confidential.

Yeah, but wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

The point of that is, though, is he was trying to make Kelly seem very important as the only adult in the room and the only stabilizing factor.

Well, if you cared about your country and if that were true, you wouldn't out the guy you were counting on keeping the president.

He wants to make Kelly squirm because he doesn't like Kelly either.

But I thought the worst thing, and I'm probably not going to read the book because I don't believe

James Comey tells the truth.

But they thought the worst thing was talking about Trump's concern for his wife over these

unverified allegations in a Russian dossier.

Now,

if any man is concerned for his wife's feelings, that's a good thing.

And to turn it around into some kind of tawdry display, as Comey did in his book, really says all you need to know about James Comey, does it not?

Yeah, and if he's concerned about his wife and he goes to James Comey, but he did these things, why would you go to a guy that you supposedly don't trust and say, hey, can you verify that I didn't do these things?

Yeah, he's going to the FBI saying, listen, if you can give me some information I can pass on to Melania that would, you know, make her feel a little bit better, please do so.

A totally rational,

totally

caring, if you want to use that word, request.

And then Comey turns it around to try to use it.

And of course, the New York Daily News picks it up, puts it on the front page.

I mean, you know, it really, this country, America right now,

because of the media, has really descended into a place that makes me extremely uncomfortable.

More with Bill O'Reilly here in just a second, and we're going to go to the raid on

the president's personal attorney.

That's happened since last we spoke to Bill O'Reilly.

We'll get his take on that coming up.

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I'm going to get into

the

shakedown of the president's attorney and how that was handled and what it means here in just a second.

But, Bill, I've got about two and a half minutes.

I just, I want to get your comment on this.

I just look up at the screen and on CNN,

the banner, the lower third, says, Comey calls Trump an unethical liar.

And

CNN says, we go now to Democratic Congressman

Denny Heck to get his opinion on this.

That's like saying the new Tesla 3 is a crappy car, and the company's not going to be around long.

We go now to Mike Ditto, a Chevy Volt salesman, for his opinion.

For his objective analysis.

That's right.

But it's more of the same, you know, I just can't

emphasize enough to your listeners that this is a total collapse of any information flow that's worthy.

You know, I wrote this column that I referred to before the break to show you underneath what you see on television and what you read in the newspaper, how it's being designed.

This is all by design now.

It's not an accident.

It's not a mistake.

I mean, they take anonymous sources, then someone's ridiculous, people familiar with the conversation.

Right.

Yeah, okay, fine.

And then they print it as fact.

And then they bring on five people.

And let's go to Jeffrey Toobin to discuss the anonymous

source thing that we don't even know is true, but we don't really care if it's true.

Because we're going to treat it as true.

I will tell you, you know, all the world is but a stage.

That phrase has come to mind more than ever.

I mean, almost every day I look at television and I think that.

I feel like we are in a, we're in a play right now.

Well, it's a bad, bad thing.

And there are a few voices, I think you're one of them.

I certainly am, that don't have an agenda.

We just want to bring information to the people.

We tell them whether it's speculative or whether it's factual, and then the people can decide for themselves.

But this vast manipulation is just crushing the spirit of the country.

Okay, so we're going to go into

what happened with the president's lawyer.

They now are hoping that there are tapes involved.

Oh my gosh.

We'll go into that next.

Glenn Beck, Mercury.

This is the Glenn Beck program.

We go down to Bill O'Reilly and

from billorilly.com, we want to talk a little bit about Michael Cohen, the personal attorney of the president, who had his

home, office, and hotel room

raided earlier this week.

First of all, Bill, do you know why he had a hotel room?

He lives in New York.

I do not.

Okay.

Do you think it's weird that that they went to, I mean, like they were trying to find something that he might have been taking from the office or keeping with him?

You know, it'd be irresponsible of me to speculate.

I just don't know.

Okay.

They are saying now that one of the things that they're looking for is communications between Cohen and Wikileaks because the Hollywood, the Access Hollywood tape came out, and then right after that, Wikileaks started to release things about

what's his name?

I want to say Larry Davis, but yeah, Podesta.

So

your thoughts on that?

Well, first of all, you say they're saying.

Who's their saying?

Yeah, I understand that.

Yeah, leaks.

Yes.

All right,

this is the big story today.

So the FBI raids Cohen's office, and then all of a sudden, the Washington Post is printing what what the FBI found and all of that.

So somebody from the FBI or the Justice Department, Rod Rosenstein's office, or Mueller's office had to leak it to the Washington Post.

They had to.

Now, you're exactly one.

This is one of the points that you, and you should make this point.

One of the points in your op-ed is about, you know, when this happened to Bill Clinton, Ken Starr was not.

leaking that we know of.

Right.

This is a torrent of this, and nobody's trying to stop it as far as I know.

So you want to leak to the Washington Post?

Go ahead.

We're not going to give you a lie detector test.

We're not going to start to prosecute people who are doing this because it's illegal.

If an FBI agent raids anybody's office and then calls the Washington Post and tells them what they found, that's a felony.

Okay?

So,

but it's accepted.

Who's talking about that?

Nobody.

It's all the Washington Post reports.

And the Washington Post doesn't know if it's true.

They don't know, but they don't care.

But

let me just play devil's advocate here.

I tend to agree with you, but let me play devil's advocate.

Is it possible that A,

these leaks would have happened or could have happened under Clinton, but it's a different world in the media because of internet?

I say that in my article.

I say that maybe the leaks did it.

It's possible.

Right.

But they could have leaked to anti-Clinton people like Rush Limbaugh.

I mean, they could have leaked to, there are a lot of, you know, the Washington Times.

There were a lot of anti-Clinton people that they could have leaked, but no leaks came out.

But now, every, you know, within two hours after anything happens

involving Donald Trump, Washington Post, New York Times, or CNN gets it.

Okay.

Now, back to Cohen.

So

you raid the office and you have to have presented to a judge to get the warrant for the raid some kind of possible felony.

All All right, so we have evidence that felony was committed.

Here it is, Judge.

Here it is.

Judge looks at it.

It's coming from the FBI.

So, okay, I'm signing the warrant.

Go in and go look for backup on what you think happened.

So they go, and then they seize all kinds of records.

They don't,

it's not a warrant that is specific.

We're just looking for this, Mr.

Cohen.

Do you have it?

You know, please tell us where it is.

No, they get everything.

So there's like 10,000 potential violations of attorney-client privilege, not just with Donald Trump, but Cohen's got other people he works for as well.

Wait a minute.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

I'm not going to let you skate on that one.

This is not a violation of attorney-client privilege with a clean and dirty FBI team.

This is the way it is set up.

This is not usually done, but can be done.

It's certainly not ever done with the president at something this high level, so they better have something.

The only question is, do you trust the clean team to stay away from the dirty team?

No, you can't do that, Beck, because that's the way it's done, Bill.

They leaked stuff about the raid.

Somebody involved with the raid leaked it.

Yeah, but they did not leak what they have found.

They have not leaked.

This is what we were looking for.

Yes.

So that's the dirty team.

Right.

If they're going to leak that,

then you have a massive, massive potential.

And I did use the word potential.

Yes, I agree.

The position of attorney-client privilege.

You know what I'm going to submit to you?

I'm going to submit to you today on the Glenn Beck program on Friday the 13th that there is no attorney-client privilege in this country anymore, as there is no contractual law, contract law, forget it.

Forget it.

You sign a contract and it says X and if somebody violates X, the system says, we don't care.

We don't care.

There's no contract law.

There's no attorney client privilege.

There isn't anything.

There's no privacy on Facebook.

There's nothing.

Somebody wants to stand outside your house with some kind of gizmo that can record your conversation inside your house, who's going to do something about it?

Nobody.

So the American people ought to know that all the rights they thought they had talking to an attorney, signing a valid contract, they're gone.

Okay, wait, wait.

I'm not going to let you.

Bill, I am with you on 99% of that.

That our rights are gone.

There is no such thing as privacy.

However, attorney-client privilege does stand.

This is

when if I am the client that is accused, everything that I say about my case to my attorney and everything my attorney says back to me is protected.

However, I am going to guarantee you.

Wait a minute.

Wait a minute.

Wait a minute.

I'm going to guarantee you that what you're saying is false because there are going to be leaks about what Trump discussed with his attorney.

That is...

Then that is different than saying that this is a violation of attorney

client privilege.

This is the way the system is built.

If I'm colluding in another crime or if my attorney is committing a crime,

hang on, Bill, hang on.

When we're talking about that thing,

it is not privileged.

And that's why there are two teams, one that is investigating one crime and another team that is working basically for the court that goes in and says, you have to find these things.

Everything else that is not regarding these things, you cannot touch and you cannot reveal.

And you believe.

No, I don't.

No, I don't.

But I'm saying.

That's what they did with Colin.

I am saying that

when someone makes the blanket statement that this was destroying attorney-client privilege, no, this is the system that we have always had.

This is not making law up.

You're not going to see that.

I am absolutely right.

And when it comes out, I'm going to demand airtime on your part.

No, because you're not listening to me.

You're not listening to me.

No, you're not.

You're talking theoretical.

No, I am talking about the law.

You're the one speculating here, right, Bill?

You're the one saying that this is going to happen in the future.

Hang on just a second.

I'm talking about the law, and then I'm saying to you, I agree with you that I don't trust the people involved, but that's different than

there is no attorney-client privilege under the law.

There is.

We just don't have.

I don't know how I can't get through to you and Stu.

The law is there in the wording of the law.

It's still there.

Same thing with contracts, Beck.

It's there.

But if it isn't enforced, if things don't happen to people who violate the law, I agree.

Then it doesn't make sense.

So far,

I know you don't like to speculate.

You like to deal on facts.

So far, they have not violated the attorney-client privilege.

They have not.

Okay, but it's only been three days.

But I know Bill O'Reilly does not like to speculate.

Boy, I'm going to play that take back over and over again.

But I know you don't like to speculate.

All right.

I can't accuse.

I can say.

Potential, as I have said 14 times already.

I know your

speculating.

I think the potential will be fulfilled.

All right, Bill, can I ask your journalistic expertise on

the leaking issue for a minute?

Listen to this.

This is from the Washington Post this week.

It's about a portrait of Trump in the current moment comes from interviews with 21 people, and then they break down the types of people that they've interviewed.

Now, they're using the number 21 to gather credibility.

They talk to 21 people.

It must be.

They're trying to convince their readers that they're not a bunch of charlatans.

Right.

And what I'm saying is: look, if the Washington Post had a stellar record of being fair, not only to Donald Trump, but to conservatives, to traditional Americans, to the Republican Party, if their record was fair,

then I would believe them.

But it's not Stu.

No.

It's not.

They hate, they hate

anyone who is not of liberal orthodoxy.

They despise them.

So that therefore they can say, we talked to 87,000 people.

And I'm going, I don't care.

Because the outcome was already told to the reporter before he talked to one person.

This is the outcome we want.

All right?

We want Trump out of office.

That has been made very clear by the publications, New York Times.

Okay, hang on just a second.

Go ahead.

Hang on just a second.

No, I just want to be very specific because I do not believe those conversations were had.

I believe those conversations don't need to be had.

Listen to me.

Listen to me.

I believe those conversations don't need to be had because it's groupthink.

They all think the same way.

Yes.

So there's no planning.

There's no conspiracy.

I find it very hard to believe that a reporter would say, I talked to 21 people who told me, you know, and then the person didn't talk to any 21 people.

But it doesn't matter because they might have talked to people for three minutes.

Hey, hey, did you hear this?

Oh, yeah, I heard it.

Bye.

And that's what I'm getting at here, isn't it?

The outcome of the article, this is what everybody has to understand.

When these reporters are assigned something, all right, it's not just Trump, all right?

It is made quite clear to them what the editors want,

what they want.

This is what we want you to find out.

Bang.

And those reporters are going to do that because if they don't, they're not going to get the good assignments.

I can give you names.

I know this.

I've seen it.

All right?

And

it absolutely happens.

But now it's an epidemic because all of them want Trump out of office.

Right.

I agree with you.

We just had Ben Smith on yesterday.

We just had Ben Smith.

Why aren't there any leaks that say that Trump does something good?

There isn't

one leak that says, hey, he did something good.

One?

Just one.

I just want one.

What I'm trying to get at here with this, though, Bill, is it's source inflation.

Like, they're using that number.

Listen to what comes after it.

Quickly.

Interviews with 21 administration officials, which would be notable if they had 21 administration officials, but that's not where it stops.

21 administration officials, comma, outside advisors.

What the hell is that?

Comma, lawmakers.

Chuck Schumer is a lawmaker.

They interviewed Chuck Schumer about this?

Outside advisors is staff of CNN.

Right.

Look, it's all a ruse.

You know that.

Come on.

All right.

Bill O'Reilly.

Bill O'Reilly.

BillO'reilly.com.

Right.

Yeah.

You got to go there this weekend.

We got lots of great stuff back.

So I want you yourself to go.

What are you doing this weekend anyway?

Are you doing anything?

I'm just spending my time at billorilly.com.

That's what I'm doing.

Yeah, and you can eat donuts.

I can eat donuts in my inner pants simultaneously.

Sounds like a fabulous weekend, Bill O'Reilly.

Thank you so much.

All right.

Thanks for having me in, guys.

God bless BillO'reley.com.

I think, you know what?

I just, I feel like we're saying similar things.

Yeah, you're close.

We're in the neighborhood.

He just refuses to listen.

Yes, that's true.

That's basically Bill O'Reilly,

every Friday and this hour.

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Man, I can't tell you how excited I am for this interview.

Mary Joe Kopechny's family, in their first national interview, at least that I know of,

talking about Mary Jo,

how she died,

Ted Kennedy and the new movie Chappaquiddick.

It's going to be interesting to hear from them in a story that has been buried for so long.

And the New York Times is now saying, oh, it's totally unfair.

Totally unfair.

They didn't accuse him of killing her, just leaving her.

They didn't accuse him of having an affair.

He didn't accuse him of anything.

They just showed the basic, the most basic facts.

It's still very damning.

Bad for Ted.

He was bad.

Yeah, he's a bad guy.

But

they did not push that storyline at all.

And they say that it's unfair.

Wow.

We'll hear from Mary Joe Copechni's family.

I can't wait.

Don't miss it.

It's next.

Glenn, back.

Mercury.

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Courage.

Truth.

Glenn Beck.

So imagine,

imagine being the family of Mary Joe Kopeckney.

So many people in America don't even know that name now, shockingly, because it had been buried for a very long time because of a very powerful family.

But Mary Joe Kopeckni, 28-year-old campaign worker, speechwriter for Bobby Kennedy,

She was the one that died at Chappaquittic.

If you don't know the story of Chappaquitic, there's a new movie out that you need to see.

But the story is shockingly told for, I think, the first time.

And it's told in a very fair, I think, and charitable way.

But you see this woman clinging to life, trapped in a car that has been driven off a bridge by Ted Kennedy where she survives for three hours gasping for air

she's been relegated to a to footnote status

what's really sad is Mary Joe Kopeckny isn't a person she's a thing that happened to Ted Kennedy that happened to him or happened in his life

she's a person

and the family is uh

is speaking out out now.

I believe this is their first national interview

to talk about Chapaquidic and Mary Joe Copechni.

With us is Georgetta Nelson-Potoski.

She's Mary Joe Copekney's first cousin, and Bill Nelson, who's Mary Joe Copeckney's first cousin's son.

They are the co-authors of the book, Our Mary Joe.

Georgetta, Bill, how are you?

Wow.

I'm well.

How are you, Mr.

Bennett?

This is really a pleasure.

I've been a fan for a long time, Glenn.

It's a wonderful experience to talk with you.

Wow.

Thank you very much.

It's weird for me to talk to you guys because

you're such a part of history.

You were there, and

nobody sees Mary Jo as Mary Jo.

She's an event.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

She's kind of a footnote in history.

She was just the girl who died in the car, and it broke our hearts to lose her.

It was really sad and hard to deal with.

Is my son on?

Are you on, Bill?

Yes.

I'm here, Mom.

How are you?

You may not be able to hear him.

Bill,

do you remember any of this incident?

I was born in 1972, so I didn't have the pleasure of meeting Aunt Mary Joe.

No.

Okay.

And

go ahead.

But over the time and growing up with my mother, of course, and knowing about Chappaquittic, I went and searched for information all the time, and I could never find find anything about Mary Jo.

And that's really why we started to dig through all of the pictures and the letters and the stories and the memories from her friends.

And we wanted to put together a book for the family.

So that's how it all got started because I didn't know who Mary Jo was, as did the rest of the world.

No one really knew who this woman was, except that she was a boiler room girl.

I have to tell you, I would love to have you guys in the studio and Georgetta bring the pictures and really, I'd really love to tell her story.

Because I think this is fascinating.

My daughter sat with me, she's 30 years old, and

my two

nieces and nephews, and we watched Chappaquiddik, and I watched almost in horror that they knew nothing about it.

They knew nothing about her.

They had never heard.

After the car went over, my daughter looked at me and said, please tell me

he wasn't a senator after this.

And I said, oh no, honey, watch.

How bizarre is this for something so huge to be buried for so long?

And then now there's a major motion picture out about it.

Well, I'm very happy with the picture.

And we were privileged to have a private screening, and we had our family and closest friends there.

And my young niece cried at the

go ahead, Bill.

At the end of it.

we had about 40 people, friends, and family, and

they reacted in horror after the movie was over because you're right, Glenn, they don't know.

The new generation coming up don't know.

And I'm shocked that it took almost 40 years or almost 50 years to make a movie about this story.

And I think it was suppressed so many times over the years and not allowed to be made.

I'm very proud of the courage that the filmmakers and the producers have in making this film.

And like you said, they did it in a very fair and balanced way because they used the inquest testimony from what everybody out of that island that night said happened.

So you can't really dispute it.

If that's the official record of what they said happened,

you can't have faults with it then and say, well, we don't know the truth.

Well, neither do we.

So, you know, imagine how frustrating that is for her parents, Gwen and Joe.

Georgetta,

when we in the movie, we see

Mary Joe's parents, your parents.

Our mothers were sisters, so that was my aunt.

Okay, so your aunt, your aunt and your uncle sitting there.

Did they find it strange that

Ted Kennedy

sent somebody there and was screening everything and kind of taking control of their situation?

Or did they find that a comfort at the time?

Well, at the very beginning, Gwen said she thought that they were sent to help them.

But then they soon realized that they were screening everyone who was calling the house or coming to the house.

And there were close friends of Gwen and Joe's that they would have liked to have seen because they could have given them real comfort.

Our family was kind of scattered.

I was living with the family, my family, in Rhode Island, and the bulk of our family is in Pennsylvania.

Gwen and Joe were in New Jersey.

So it took a few days to get everyone together so that we could comfort them.

But she thought at first they were helping and then later thought,

maybe not.

Maybe they were just screening.

Who was going to say, well, ask him this or ask him that.

But Gwen and Joe were destroyed.

They were absolutely destroyed when their only daughter died.

Uncle Joe said they wanted more children, but he said, if we could only have one, God send us the best.

She was, she seemed remarkable.

I loved the way they portrayed her in this.

They didn't get into anything salacious

like an affair.

I had always heard that they were having an affair.

Were they or not?

No.

She didn't particularly like it.

I don't think anybody really did.

She didn't.

Well, they were all very young.

He was in his 30s.

She was 28.

But she

idealized Bobby.

And that was the only thing that brought her out of the South.

She was down South during the civil rights days, and we were very worried about her teaching school in Alabama.

But when she had the opportunity to work in Washington with the people who were making the rules, making the laws and making things better for everyone and equal rights, she came right up to Washington.

Yes, she was a speech writer for Bobby, right?

She helped him write his speech announcing he was going to run for president.

Yes.

Wow.

Yeah, she was smart.

Well, she was one of the older Boiler Room girls, too, though.

Can you explain what a Boiler Room is?

Explain what a Boiler room girl is.

They were a group of women, all very intelligent, all very well educated, all committed to helping Bobby with the campaign and all the good works that he was doing.

And they happened to work in this one room.

I think it was windowless, but it

wasn't in the basement with the boilers.

No.

Can you guys tell me

because the one thing we all walked out of this movie

saying is,

how did she not get out?

And he did.

Is there any?

Oh, my God.

Are there any thoughts on this?

I wish I knew that.

Mary Jo was a wonderful swimmer.

And if she had,

her face couldn't have been more than a foot from air, even though she was inside the car, trying to breathe the air that was in there.

Why didn't she get out?

If you want my opinion,

go ahead, Bill.

If you want my opinion on it, when they did the inquest, there was blood that went down the back of her blouse, probably to the small of her back.

They dismissed it as some sort of nonsense, as foam from her mouth.

But I always wondered that why didn't she get out of the car?

And I personally think that she was injured inside that car, and she may not have been all the way conscious either.

I think instinctually, when John Farrar pulled her out of the car, instinctually she had found an air pocket up by what would be the foot.

hole because the car was upside down, so it would be where you would put your feet.

That's a question that's puzzled us for years, and

we don't have a lot of answers about Chappaquittic, but what we've done is we'll give you who Mary Jo was.

So we can tell you what probably didn't happen.

For instance, this rumor about her being in an affair with Ted Kennedy.

There's a good chance that that never happened because of who Mary Jo was and her upbringing and her Catholic and her values and things like that.

So when you find out what didn't happen, it kind of leads you down the path of what possibly could happen.

And I wish more people would do that, that were there or that know things.

I wish more people would come forward with whatever little pieces of information that they may have and that at least we know our fact.

And then you can work backwards.

You think there is more information,

more people that could come forward and tell

I sure do.

I sure do because there were more than Ted Kennedy on that island that night.

There was multiple people.

There's probably eight or nine or ten more people that are alive today that at least know a little piece of the puzzle.

And if you can take that little piece of the puzzle and you can deduce what didn't happen, then you can work backwards and probably come up with a good theory.

I could tell you what didn't happen, and that's whatever they said at the inquest because it doesn't make sense.

None of it makes sense.

So it's logically not possible.

What do you mean, what didn't make sense?

Him diving in the water and swimming across the channel.

There have been multiple reports that that's impossible.

The side of the car on the passenger side is absolutely crushed from the front fender to the back fender well water doesn't do that so

going off a bridge and hitting the water does not crush an oldsmobile and oldsmobile 88 they're made of steel i believe so so there's a lot of stuff that we don't know or that has been left out of the big picture what do you think that what do you think that means what is speculation

well there's a lot of different theories out there there was a theory that there was an accident before the bridge and that mary jo was hurt um which would also

go towards the blood on her blouse and her maybe being disorientated, too.

There was a theory that he was never in the car when it went off the bridge.

There was a theory that there were other people in the car besides Ted Kennedy.

There was a couple other, maybe a woman or a man.

So there's a lot of different theories that kind of make more sense than the official version of what happened.

Yeah, and that makes if there was an accident, she was hurt.

And even if there weren't other people, for him to then push it off of

a bridge probably would make

a little more sense.

Because it doesn't pick you up.

Go ahead.

I think the saddest thing for Gwen and Joe is that no one has ever come to them and said, you know, I saw Mary Jo on the island.

She was happy.

She was looking forward to her new job.

These girls all came together because they had scattered, and this was their last chance to see each other.

Bobby had died.

A few of them, including Mary Joe, had been chosen to clean up the office, send things to the museums, send things homes, send things to the office.

It was a very tragic

task for them because they had loved the senator.

And so this was a chance for them to be together.

But no one has ever come to Gwen and Joe and said,

I saw Mary Jo, she was happy, we were looking forward to this or that.

And so they've never had the last few hours of their daughter's life.

And I I think that's a terrible tragedy.

So wait, wait,

none of the Boiler girls ever got together with the family?

No.

They were at her funeral, but Gwen and Joe were so

sedated, to tell you the truth, that

and none of them were ever introduced to any of us.

So we never got a chance to talk to them either.

And afterward,

when it was calmed down and they thought that, well, now the senator will come forward and talk to them.

He did call them, asked them to come to Hyannisport, and they thought, well, now, now we'll find out what happened at night.

But when they got there, they walked into a cocktail party.

He came over and said hello, and disappeared.

And so they turned around and went home and more or less hibernated the rest of their lives.

But he never, as far as I know, never even said, I'm sorry.

You know, touching on that,

not only did Gwen and Joe lose their only daughter in a highly publicized accident, car wreck, whatever you want to call it, but then they didn't get their daughter's last lives.

Then they were abandoned by everybody that was there.

And then on top of all of that, you got to remember that they got all these nasty letters from the public accusing them of hiding things or not getting an autopsy because they wanted to know if she was pregnant or some nonsense.

And every anniversary, they go out to the mailbox and they have these nasty letters for pretty much the rest of their life.

I can't imagine what they went through.

Okay.

We have those letters.

Can you hang on?

Can you hang on just a second?

Because I want to continue our conversation with the family of Mary Joe Kopechny.

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Family of Mary Joe Kopeckni is on with us.

Bill,

we lost your mom.

But I want to ask you to, could you guys could we fly you in and

bring the letters and the whole story and any speeches that she wrote?

I would love to have you guys come in and share that history.

Absolutely.

I don't, yeah, we would love to.

That'd be an honor.

I'm sure my mom would be very happy about that also.

She's, I got to warn you, though, she's the busiest retired woman I know.

So, yeah, absolutely.

So,

let me just spend the last couple of minutes here asking

about your

aunt and uncle or great aunt and uncle?

Mary Joe's

Mary Jo would be my aunt.

Okay, so your great aunt and uncle, right?

Yeah.

Live this life of

being so proud of their daughter, and then their daughter becoming this villain to some and an event to others.

What was their life like?

We visited Gwen and Joe very

often.

We would go up and we would visit him.

And looking back now, I was younger then.

I was in my teenage years when we would visit him, early 20s.

But looking back now through different eyes, I saw, like, especially Uncle Joe.

He was pleasant, but he was hollow.

I caught him one day looking out the window, and I wrote about this in the book.

And I didn't realize till years later that he just seemed like he was waiting for somebody.

And he was waiting for somebody to come home.

And you can tell that he was off in a faraway place.

And I'm sure he was thinking about Mary Jo at that time.

Mary Jo didn't deserve to go down in history the way that she did.

And that's why we started her scholarship at University, Misericorda University, and why we wrote her book, to set the record straight so that she and her life have an opportunity to do good and through her scholarship to do good for education and for people who are furthering their education.

And it's been very well received.

It's been humbling to us that it's been so well received by everyone.

It's really gratifying.

The name of the book is Our Mary Joe.

It's available everywhere.

And

I haven't read it yet, but I hope that it picks the story up

before and after the movie Chappaquiddick.

Yeah.

Yeah,

it starts from actually her heritage and where she came from.

It continues up past her death into Gwen and Joe's Life Without Her.

It's a comprehensive look.

And what we did is we took all the letters that we had received from people around the world, well Gwen and Joe had received and we had actually inherited them, and we put them in the book to tell Mary Jo's story through the eyes of other people, through her friends, her co-workers.

Now she was great, but not because we say so, but because everyone who knew her said so.

So all the people surrounding her had an opportunity to go on and be lawyers and be publicists and have very successful lives.

So we would only assume Mary Jo would also have done that too.

So this gives her a second chance.

The name of the book is Our Mary Joe.

It is Mary Joe Copechni's story.

The name of the movie is Chapaquidic.

You need to see it.

It's unbelievable.

Thank you so much, Bill.

Glenn, back.

Mercury.

You're listening to the Glenn Beck program.

Welcome to the program to Pat Gray.

Hello, Pat.

Hello, Glenn.

Did you just hear Mary Joe Copechni's family on with us?

I did, yeah.

Unbelievable.

Yeah.

Right?

Pretty compelling.

Let me ask you this.

Who is alive in history that we should be talking to?

Who's alive that witnessed something?

Like,

I would have never thought that we could just reach out to Mary Joe Copechni's family.

I don't know why.

It just didn't even occur to me.

Tokyo Rose was living in, she died, I think, in 2010.

We should have talked to her before she died.

Who's out there that's a witness to history?

And I'd love to hear from you.

Just tweet me at Glenn Beck.

I'd like to hear who's a witness of history that we should go look for and talk to.

That'd be great.

It's just to hear the, I mean, what it was like for them to go through that

as a family member of the, because all you hear about is the Ted Kennedy side, which is really important.

I mean, the Chabaquitik movie really deals mainly with Ted Kennedy's side of it, and it's really important to know.

But her, I don't know about you, but when I saw it, you guys both saw the movie, right?

Yep.

When I saw it, I immediately thought,

how did the family feel?

How dirty did that feel?

How awful.

I think at first they were real supportive of him.

Yeah.

But as time went on, they realized

the guy left her to die.

Well, there was a real scene in the movie I wanted to ask her about.

We didn't get time.

But

she was friends with the Boiler Room girls, right?

Like this group of advisors and speechwriters and stuff, young girls that were around in the Kennedy circles.

They were meeting up at this house.

And after this happens, they come back in the next morning and say, hey, look,

some crazy crap went down.

Ted's

at the police station.

And one of the Boiler Room girls, a friend of Mary Joe's, in the movie at least, comes up and says, what can we do to protect Ted?

Like, that was their reaction.

Like,

the person died.

Your friend died.

What can we do to protect you?

Yeah, if she really said that, that's pretty despicable.

It may have been a composite reaction, but I think it seemed, if my memory serves,

that was the way they reacted generally.

Knowing that none of the Boiler Girls ever reached out to her family is weird.

It's weird.

I'm smelling food.

Oh, my gosh.

It smells so good.

So this is

taste test day?

Yes.

This is an important thing.

As you know, we deal with international news all the time here on the program.

Very important.

And the International House of Pancakes has a new

new entry which doesn't get any more international than that news that is okay so so hang on just a second as we're eating these what are these these are the new hawaiian sweet rolls yeah before you just jam them down your gullet let's explain what they are the whole you know the hawaiian rolls you have around the holidays love those uh yeah i in the orange bag uh yeah in the orange bag they're kind of sweet right uh i have decided to make french toast out of them

which is a freaking awesome idea which is why they're international that's why they're in every country in the world strawberry and banana okay cinnamon toast and regular okay so let me um uh let me just point this out as we're eating this uh to tell you just for science science perfect for purposes only uh stew yes uh can you give me what russia just announced oh sure this is interesting i can't eat when i'm i know there's not a heck of a lot of details yet but the russian is terrifying yeah the russian military is saying that the alleged chemical attack in syria now they're saying i guess it is happening it did actually happen the alleged chemical attack in synergy Right, at first it was fake news.

Right.

What happened to that?

Now it's not.

The Russian military is saying that the alleged chemical attack in Syria was staged and directed by Britain.

Jeez.

I mean, you.

Wait a minute.

The alleged

was staged.

I'm having a hard time with that.

All right, so

we have this.

What have you tried here, Glenn?

I'm not that impressed.

What do you mean you're not impressed?

I think this is an interesting concept.

It didn't look like it.

Look, the Hawaiian roles

are the greatest things ever.

I don't know what Hawaiian king came up with them,

but if he demanded the island back, I'd give it to them

as long as they would continue to ship the roles.

Yeah, I mean,

it's good, but it's not awe-inspiring.

You just built server.

It's not as

it's not as it's not as good as

it sounds.

No.

Now, what's your reasoning behind that?

I think that's pretty good.

I mean, it doesn't taste, here's what I would say about it.

It doesn't taste that much different than regular French toast.

Right.

Like, there's not a huge difference.

I had very high expectations because those rolls are so yummy.

But again, it's pretty freaking good.

No, it's good.

It's good.

It's good.

I wouldn't spit it out.

Oh, I would go farther than that.

I would eat it and I would order it, but it's not like,

you know, I was expecting something just really remarkable.

I'm not going to an international city just to have it.

No.

I'm just going to

Brussels to get this.

No.

You would have to go.

You're going to go to Prague.

The good news is it's the international house of pancakes.

They're all over the world.

Right.

So whatever city you find.

That is good news.

Yeah.

I mean,

look, this is a solid entry.

It's a nice little city.

It's not bad.

It's a nice thing to try.

I mean, I think you're right, though.

Like, if I find myself at IHOP, which I tend to do,

you just wake up and you're there.

Yeah, like sometimes.

Sort of future.

You're an IHOP guy?

I am an I-HOP.

Over the Waffle House?

I like Waffle House, too.

The problem is I'm a household.

Oh, I don't go to Waffle House.

The smoke situation is a problem for me at Waffle House.

Really bad.

But, you know, like, I like all the chain breakfast places.

There's not any that I can identify that I don't like.

But my kids really like IHOP.

We do it to pancake time on Saturdays.

And a lot of times we'll go to IHOP.

And if I'm at IHOP, which I am a lot, I would absolutely put this on my menu of selections to choose while I'm there.

I mean, yeah.

Yeah, so would I.

But would I, like, would I, for, you know, quit my job and move to an apartment next door to IHOP so I can have it every morning until it expires?

Maybe not.

Maybe not.

Do you have a discount or something at IHOP?

Why are you suddenly so

suspected?

Pretty pro-IHOP.

He's pretty like, hey, IHOP, I'm not saying anything bad about you.

No,

I think I articulated that well.

I wouldn't quit my job and move next to it.

That's a knock on IHOP.

Is there a food you would quit your job for and move next to it?

Thousands of food.

Really, I think of it as excuses rather than foods.

How can I justify quitting my job and moving next to a restaurant?

I think about that often.

Well, the nice thing is IHOPs are always in the best parts of town.

They are.

Yeah, no, it's pretty good.

It's pretty solid, but yeah, it's not life-changing.

Yeah, it's not bad.

That's good.

By the way, the Russian military says that an alleged chemical attack in Syria was staged by Britain.

I've eaten all the fruit off the plate.

That should tell you something because there's still bread left.

Right.

I've eaten all the fruit off the plate.

What happened to your diet?

You know, you're...

Shut up.

I don't eat things like this anymore.

Yeah, we've been getting harassed.

That's curious.

Everyone keeps going, you guys are not supposed to eat that stuff.

It's a radio show.

It's more important than a stupid diet.

People need to know the information about the International House of Pancake's latest offerings.

Get over your Glenn's health thing.

Thank you, Stu.

Thank you.

It's science.

I am donating my.

I am loaning my body out for science right now.

Think about the sacrifices you're making.

Amen, brother.

Preach on.

You know, people, you know, a lot of people won't do the types of things you do.

Like, you know, not everyone will go cover genocide in Syria.

That's right.

Not everyone will go to Rwanda in the middle of the Hutu-Tutsi dispute

and get on the ground.

and talk to the guys holding the machetes.

They won't do that.

And other people won't eat IHOP off their diet.

Amen.

You'll do that.

You're an extraordinary human being.

Thank you, Pat.

Thank you.

You know, I feel a little uncomfortable with you guys pointing out how great I am.

I don't think you do.

You seem pretty comfortable.

You seem fine with it.

So this is your choice, I guess, America.

Could we sit here and dissect all the leaks from the James Comey book today?

Of course.

Sure, we could.

Sure, we could spend lots of time talking about James Comey and all the observations he had about Donald Trump's hands.

But why?

Or we can tell you what the latest thing at IHOP is.

Can I tell you something?

Honestly,

why?

What is it that there is to gain on any of this Comey stuff?

And I haven't read it, obviously, yet, but from what I've heard, there's almost nothing new in it.

Well, I was making

new earlier.

Like when a book company, when stuff starts leaking out from a book,

one of two things has happened.

A journalist has received the entire book, whether they bought it.

Sometimes they mistakenly put it out at stores.

Sometimes, you know, the book company could leak it to them.

So they look at the book and they go through the book and they find the best stuff, the most important stuff that they think will make, you know, get attention to it, and they bring it up.

That's part one.

Part two is

the publisher of the book leaks excerpts.

of the things they'll find to be most salacious so that people will start talking about the book before it comes out.

If it's that, if it's the publisher leaking details and and this is what's coming out, we don't know if there's good stuff in the book yet.

We don't know if there's real stuff in the book yet because they may just be leaking salacious details to get attention.

And then when you read the substance of it, you may find that there actually is substance there.

But if there's a galley of the book.

Right.

If they have this whole book, they've read the whole book, and what you're hearing now is the most interesting crap in there,

it's a giant zilch.

And by all indications, it's that one.

It's that way.

They actually do have the book.

They've gone through the book.

and these are the things they find to be most important.

About that, that's really bad.

The only thing anybody's talking about is that dumb Russian rumor

about the sex with prostitutes in Moscow and what went on there.

And he just says

he thinks it's possible that it's true.

Well,

first of all,

first of all, we've already went down that road, and it's not.

The reason he thinks it's true is because

apparently Trump asked him to go investigate this.

That's exactly.

Can I tell you something?

That tells me it's not true.

That tells me it's not true.

If I had that out about me, and my wife would know, but I would say, I don't want that out about me.

That is horrible.

Go prove that is inaccurate.

And they're making a big deal out of it because everybody's saying, well, why would she even believe there's a 1% chance?

Well, because he admitted to it, Ferris, multiple times.

He bragged about it in books.

So, yeah, she could think maybe he did something weird like that.

So go investigate it and show her that I didn't do it.

There's no way he did something weird.

Oh, I don't think he did either.

No, no, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

There's no way she believes he did something weird.

Would he go to Moscow and have sex with beautiful models?

Yeah, and I think

she would have fears that maybe he would do that.

And I think she would be justified in that.

That's not what this is.

This is him buying hookers, which I do not believe Donald Trump would do.

It would be too big.

Let's just take it

the shallow way.

It would be too much of a hit to his ego to have to pay for it.

So he wouldn't.

I don't think.

The second part of that is the golden shower.

Donald Trump doesn't shake hands.

He doesn't like

to shake people's hands.

He's a germaphobe.

You think that he's going to have somebody pee all over him or around him?

No.

I hope not.

But I mean, it shows

so either.

I just don't think it happened.

I don't think it happened either.

But to just show how far Comey is going to try to make this case, the point you brought up, Pat, he said something to the effect of, look, even if my wife thinks there's a 1% chance that something like this happened, I need to disprove it.

Right.

And Comey.

So go investigate it and show her.

And Comey's self-righteous line after that.

What kind of marriage are you in if your wife would believe there's a 1% chance you'd do something like that?

That is such a stretch.

He's just saying, look, I want to make sure I disprove this.

So there's no chance at all my wife would believe it.

I don't think she believes it, but even if there's a 1% chance, I want the truth to be out there.

He's not saying that his marriage is so bad that she might believe it.

Now, you may take that from other comments, but to stretch

his comment there into

an admission his marriage is bad is ridiculous.

I mean, there's a lot of other evidence

of those sorts of things.

Yeah, first of of all, can we just, let's just be honest here for a second.

Let's talk about the product as if it is the product that we all know it is.

Donald Trump is not the king of virtue, as we hear from spiritual leaders all the time.

We didn't elect a pastor.

We didn't elect a pastor.

So we know his record with women.

Okay.

We know it.

Now, whether it's the stormy Daniel, let's just say all of that stuff stopped the minute he found his true love in Melania.

Right.

Okay.

We know who he was in the past.

You don't think Melania does?

Yeah, of course you don't think.

Of course, there's 1% chance.

Of course.

That doesn't mean anything other than, hey, he's had this kind of stuff in his life before where, you know, he likes the youngest, hottest thing.

You know, I'm not as young as I used to be.

I'm whatever.

Of course she would think that.

And of course,

of course, a good husband would think, I don't want her thinking that way.

Yeah.

You remember the time that your wife found her first gray hair and you had to make a big deal out of how young she was?

Absolutely not, Clint.

I don't remember that either.

It's never happened.

I don't think Jackie has a gray hair.

Well, I just remember it.

I just

remember my father, who was a bad man.

Are you going to talk about this today on Pack Gray Unash?

The Comey thing?

Yeah, yeah.

I'm going to go into that.

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