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triple eight seven two seven B E C K Glenn's just a little under the weather actually been losing his voice for the last few days and pretty much completely went out yesterday so So, the big news of the morning, if you've not heard it yet, the Today shows Matt Lauer

has been fired for inappropriate sexual behavior.

Just like that.

He's gone.

Yeah, no suspension.

No suspension.

We're not going to look into it.

We're going to investigate.

Nope, he's gone.

They heard about it late Monday night, they said.

And by this morning, he's not even on the air.

Not even on the air, like never coming back.

He's been terminated by NBC.

This is a guy whose show that he's hosted for 20 years.

He's been number one for what, 15 of that maybe?

And he makes $26 million a year.

And you just summarily fire him on the accusation.

In fact, on the statement, it's interesting because they said in 20 years, this is the first accusation that anybody's come to management with.

And it's just one at this point.

Just one.

They said there's evidence or there's reason to believe.

We should maybe listen to it.

We should listen to the first moments here of Today's show.

What is it, Savannah Guthrie?

Yeah.

And Hoda Kotby

was on there.

Yes.

Because this is a sad morning here at Today and at NBC News.

Just moments ago, NBC News Chairman Andy Lack sent the following note to our organization.

Dear colleagues, on Monday night, we received a detailed complaint from a colleague about inappropriate sexual behavior in the workplace by Matt Lauer.

It represented, after serious review, a clear violation of our company's standards.

As a result, we have decided to terminate his employment.

While it is the first complaint about his behavior in the over 20 years he has been at NBC News, we were also presented with reason to believe this may not have been an isolated incident.

Our highest priority is to create a workplace environment where everyone feels safe and protected, and to ensure that any actions that run counter to our core values are met with consequences, no matter who the offender is.

We want everybody to feel safe except the men who work here.

Right?

I mean,

there's one of two ways to go with this.

Either NBC had really hard evidence or they had an admission of his, right?

They went to him and they said, he said, yeah, okay, I did that.

I do that.

Like, I thought maybe are there texts?

Are there photos?

Is there video?

Is there an audio recording of some sort?

Maybe.

Something where...

Some hard evidence.

Right.

Because, I mean, in one day,

it would almost be difficult to put together the questioning process

in one day to get some information.

It's not enough time.

So it's either hard evidence, or he admitted, or we've arrived at a very frightening un-American place.

And I don't know which it is.

Very well, might be both.

It might be.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, and it was interesting to hear

the Savannah Guthrie,

who has worked with him for 15 years,

try to handle this.

because and I think she did generally speaking a good job.

She did.

Let her navigate this.

You know, for the moment, all we can say is that we are heartbroken.

I'm heartbroken for Matt.

He is my dear, dear friend and my partner, and he is beloved by many, many people here.

And I'm heartbroken for the brave colleague who came forward to tell her story and any other women who have their own stories to tell.

And we are grappling with a dilemma that so many people have faced these past few weeks.

How do you reconcile your love for someone with the revelation that they have behaved badly?

And I don't know the answer to that.

But I do know that this reckoning that so many organizations have been going through is important.

It's long overdue.

And it must result in workplaces where all women, all people feel safe and respected.

As painful as it is this moment in our culture and this change had to happen.

Yeah, it did.

This is a very tough morning for both of us.

I've known Matt for 15 years, and I've loved him as a friend and as a colleague.

And again, just like you were saying, Savannah, it's hard to reconcile what we are hearing with the man who we know who walks in this building every single day.

We were both woken up with the news kind of pre-dawn, and we're trying to process it and trying to make sense of it.

And it'll take some time.

So, as good, good friends

who are dear, dear friends,

I mean, don't you kind of owe it to that friendship to initially believe him

to

withhold judgment, at least until you've seen hard evidence that he's doing this.

At least until you know what he's even been accused of, as they say in there, that they don't even know further details other than what's been released in the statement.

They just know that he was accused of something, and they said it was a detailed accusation.

And look, maybe he called them, and they're not saying that.

We don't know all the details here, but it's like

if you have a piece of information such as someone's continued behavior over 15 years

and you don't see any sign of that, it doesn't mean that it's not true, right?

Like we, you know, the BTK killer was very active in his church, right?

He was loved by his community because he was constantly helping.

How many times have we seen people in the church, for example, who have gone down very dark roads in their personal lives while being very helpful in their communities?

It's not impossible, but doesn't that,

do you still owe this person you might not even know the right of believing their accusation against someone you know for a decade and a half?

That is a, I don't think that's the right way this is supposed to be handled.

I'm not saying you say, well, that woman's immediately lying because I have a friend.

No.

But I need to see the details of this because I can't believe he would do something like that.

that.

That whole step is gone, apparently.

Now we're just to, they're fired.

And wow, I'm glad this reckoning is happening.

It's hard to question this dirtbag that I was, you know, I was friends with, but hey, you know, he's been accused.

Yeah, it's hard to reconcile the guy I knew with the dirtbag, he obviously is.

Well, they haven't proven that.

It hasn't been proven to anybody yet.

You don't even know the details you just admitted.

I don't know.

I think the innocent until proven guilty

theory

in this country is completely out the window now.

We're not abiding by that at all.

And, you know, that's a system of the justice system

to

the innocent until proven guilty.

You can go ahead and convict somebody in the court of public perception.

It's just not, it's not right to do.

It's just not right.

Yeah.

And, you know, look, maybe they know more.

Maybe they have more evidence.

That's not what they're saying.

Right.

That's not what they're saying publicly yet.

But maybe they're saying something behind closed doors.

The New York Post has a report that has come out that is saying the firing of Matt Lauer, in case you're just joining us, was based on an assault that happened during the Rio Olympics

of a staffer.

So we don't know the details of it yet, but they also say that there will be, they do expect, and they certainly hinted at this in the statement.

They do expect more accusations to come.

They think this might not be the only thing.

And look, they may have enough information to say, okay, we definitely know this is really bad.

But it's amazing to see how Matt Lauer has handled these other accusations over the years.

Yeah.

If this was a real problem for him.

Yeah.

When he talked to Bill O'Reilly,

listen to it in the light of everything we know now when he was interviewing O'Reilly just a few months ago.

So did you provide Fox News any evidence, any information that you think could have changed their mind as to what you were guilty or not guilty of?

My legal team was very aggressive in putting forth our point of view, and that's all I'm going to say about it.

I want to put this in perspective timing-wise.

You were fired about 10 months after Roger Ailes was let go by the network over allegations of sexual harassment.

So the network understood the subject matter.

You were probably the last guy in the world that they wanted to fire because you were the guy that the ratings and the revenues

built on.

You carried that network on your shoulders for a a lot of years.

So doesn't it seem safe to assume that the people at Fox News were given a piece of information or given some evidence that simply made it impossible for you to stay on at Fox News?

That's a false assumption.

There were a lot of other business things in play at that time and still today

that the 21st century was involved with.

And it was a business decision that they made.

But there isn't anything.

But you don't let your number one guy go

unless you have information that you think makes

it not true.

You don't let your number one guy go unless you have information that

that's a pretty bold statement for a guy who might have a guilty conscience.

Right.

Isn't it?

It makes you think maybe

he doesn't believe these things happened, right?

I mean, you know,

and it's also not true.

It's also an unfair question.

That does happen.

It does happen.

You know, like a lot of these organizations will get to a point, even when they don't, even when they don't believe the accusations, they will do things like this because they feel they are getting pressured into it.

People do this stuff all the time

because it's about public perception.

It's not necessarily always about some factual thing.

I mean, you know, we have a society in which we, you know,

if we had, if we changed the standard with crimes, like

the Soviet Union, right?

And we said

guilty until proven innocent, right?

The Soviet Union probably got a lot of criminals behind bars.

They probably were right on a lot of cases.

There probably were a lot of times.

They put people in jail and they were guilty, right?

And they just assumed they were guilty and they put them in jail.

They didn't give them a trial or anything.

And they were probably right a lot of times.

We built a society the other way for a reason.

If we're going to err, we're supposed to err on the side of someone who is guilty getting no punishment at all.

That is our strategy here in the United States, like it or not.

And we have now developed a new function of society in which accusation equals destruction.

You get accused once, and it is over.

And this, again, we've said this with Moore.

We've said this with Weinstein.

We've said this.

I'll say it again with Lauer.

This very well may be a great case of so much information, and he was this bad of a guy, and he should be fired.

We don't have enough information on it yet.

But it's just amazing to see how fast these things are coming.

This isn't even Weinstein.

Weinstein had these accusations come out, and it was like, it was weeks.

Matt Lauer is Lauer worse than Weinstein or are we just on a down, you know, rolling down the hill?

You know, you talk about a slippery slope.

This slope is, it's slip and slides covering the mountain right now.

It's, it's almost as if we've adopted the Hillary Clinton justice system that these women have a right to be believed.

Yeah.

So any accusation that they throw out there just must be believed.

Okay, well, women don't lie.

Yeah, we should really get into this because

there is a story.

There's multiple stories now written by women who are saying, hey, guys, this might not be the right road to go down.

We might be going the right.

And in publications like The New York Times and The New Yorker.

Not, you know, some evil conservative organizations that's trying to defend Roy Moore.

I'm talking about real...

I mean, The New Yorker is not even a, it's a left-wing organization.

Yeah.

And the New York Times is obviously a mainstream

publication that leans to the left as well.

But I mean, these are big,

big organizations coming out and saying, guys, what are we doing here?

Well, we got to make sure we're doing the right thing because we all know this.

We all want women who have actually been sexually assaulted and harassed at work constantly and been pushed down and not been able to get jobs because of, we all want that to be destroyed.

That culture is completely wrong.

We don't want mad men here in the United States.

That's not what we want.

But we have to understand what we're doing here.

Accusations do not mean guilt.

Not necessarily.

They may be.

Yeah, they might be.

They might all be right.

They might.

Or many of them may be wrong.

And unless they got just a flat-out admission from Matt Lauer, this has gone really fast, really amazingly fast.

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Glenn back

Glenn back.

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So hopefully, day of rest, we'll get him.

We'll have him back tomorrow.

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Interesting that some of these left-wing publications are starting to sound the alarm that, hey, maybe we're a little too hasty on some of these sexual harassment charges.

Yeah, I mean, there's been several we've highlighted over the past couple of weeks, but this one comes from the New York Times.

The title is The Limits of Believe All Women, right?

Again, this comes from a left-wing source.

You know, talking about the reckoning that has happened recently, wouldn't have happened without Gretchen Carlson, and then they go through a bunch of the people who, you know, they say deserve our great praise and gratitude.

And hasn't the hunt been exhilarating?

Again, this is a woman writing this.

There's no small chance that by the time you finish this article, another mammoth beast of prey, maybe multiple, will be stalked and felled.

Again, now, wow, right?

That was certainly true.

The huntress's war cry, believe all women, has felt like a bracing corrective to historic injustice.

It has felt like a justifiable response to a system in which the crimes perpetrated against women, so intimate, so humiliating, and so unlike any other, are very difficult to prove.

But I also can't shake the feeling that this mantra creates terrible new problems in addition to solving old ones.

In less than two months, we've moved from uncovering accusations of criminal behavior, Harvey Weinstein, to criminalizing behavior that we previously regarded as presumptuous and borish, like Glenn Thrush, the New York Times reporter.

In a climate in which sexual escapades are transforming so rapidly, many men are asking, if I were wrongly accused, who would believe me?

This is a question I would love to see someone ask a media member who is really aggressive on this.

Just,

we know you didn't do it, right?

Wolf Blitzer, okay?

Wolf Blitzer, who was the guy that you'd think the least likely person in America.

Let's say Wolf Blitzer.

That's the person who pops into my head.

There's no way Wolf Blitzer did anything like this.

Wolf Blitzer.

How, let's just say some person who didn't like you from your past, or two or three people who were interns and thought they should have been promoted and you didn't promote them, and they just accused you completely falsely.

What could you say?

What would anyone believe

if you were completely completely innocent?

Just craft for me the response that makes it even plausible for you to hold your job for more than a week.

And I think the answer, everything turns out to be, well, you're blaming the victims.

Oh, come on.

There wouldn't be three women doing this.

There's no way.

What do they have to gain?

Like, no matter what you say, there's that pushback.

And I don't think that's right.

The New York Times goes on.

I know the answer,

if I were wrongly accused, who would believe me?

I know the answer many women would give and are giving is good.

Be scared.

We've been scared forever.

It's your turn for some sleepless nights.

They'll say, if some innocent men go down in an effort to tear down the patriarchy, so be it.

Emily Linden, I think you talked about this, Pat, columnist at Team Vogue, summed up this view concisely last week on Twitter.

I'm actually not at all concerned about innocent men losing their jobs over false accusations of sexual assault.

If some innocent men's reputations have to take a hit in the process of undoing the patriarchy, that is the price I am absolutely willing to pay.

Miss Linden was widely criticized, but say this much for her, at least she had the guts to publicly articulate a view that so many women are sharing with one another in private.

Countless innocent women have been robbed of justice, friends of mine insists.

So why are we agonizing about the possibility of a few good men going down?

This is, again, the New York Times.

I believe that the believe all women vision of feminism unintentionally fetishizes women.

Women are no longer human and flawed.

They are truth personified.

They are above reproach.

I believe that this is an amazing perspective and brave for this person for the author to do this.

I believe that it's condescending to think that women and their claims can't stand up to interrogation and can't handle skepticism.

I believe that facts serve feminists far better than faith.

That due process is better than mob rule.

Maybe it will happen tomorrow, maybe next week, maybe next month, but the Duke Lacrosse moment, the Rolling Stone moment will come.

A woman's accusation will turn out to be grossly exaggerated or flatly untrue.

And if the governing principle of this movement is still an article of faith, many people will lose their religion.

It's interesting, too, they go on to say,

we know women, it's not that women can't lie, of course they can.

And

the example they give is the Project Veritas thing from yesterday with James O'Keefe.

Yes, that was a conservative thing to try to get the media and try to catch them.

But what it was was a woman lying.

The woman went up and told a false story to try to trap someone who they wanted to make into a bad guy.

It's the same story that could happen to any person in the media, any person who's accused of these things.

And we have to, as a society, set some sort of lines of due process and skepticism.

Women can handle it.

Women absolutely can handle it.

They're not these, you know,

we're treating women like children.

And that is, it's not fair to women.

They deserve the, they are

equality is one thing, and it's it's it's right, but equality means the same skepticism that everybody gets,

the same, uh, the same uh critical look at their claims that everybody receives.

Yeah, and again, I don't know, Matt Lauer, this could be completely true, totally, but you can't make that determination, I don't think, unless you have video in 12 hours.

Glenn back.

This is the Glenn Beck program.

If you haven't heard, Matt Lauer fired at

NBC.

He didn't even show up for this morning's Today's Show.

And he was accused Monday night.

The NBC brass got word from some woman that she had been assaulted.

We don't know the details of the assault in Rio during the Olympics.

What was that?

Two years ago, almost two years ago?

A year and a half ago.

Again,

you can't help but wonder, why

didn't you say something then?

And a lot of women have called into my show on The Blaze and said.

What show is that, Pat?

It's Pat Gray Unleashed.

Is it findable?

Is it just something for a private small group that's for everyone?

Really?

Yeah.

How would they access something like that?

They'd go to theblaze.com.

TV or radio?

TV or radio.

Wow, what an incredible offer.

And just listen right after immediately following this show.

Today included.

But a lot of people are calling that show that you can do.

A lot of people are calling.

Yes.

And they're saying to me, I understand.

Women are calling and saying, I understand because I was harassed and I was afraid of losing my job or I was embarrassed or I was ashamed or I thought I did something wrong.

And that's all understandable too.

But

on the other hand, you wonder, well, couldn't you have saved others from this same situation had you spoken out?

There are other jobs to have, maybe, that you go to.

Right.

And of course, obviously, a woman should not be forced into a job.

She should not because of one of these situations.

Right.

But it's an impossible decision and should not be one they need to make, right?

Like, they shouldn't have to make a priority decision as to what is worse.

You shouldn't have to, but sometimes you do.

Right.

Right.

And it does unfortunately happen.

And hopefully that wouldn't be the outcome.

And look, if we get to a point here where this settles into a comfortable place where if women are actually harassed, they can come out and say something and people who are guilty pay the price.

That's a great outcome.

Like, that would be a fantastic place for this thing to land.

We just have to make sure we don't go the other way too far.

And the fact that even the left-wing organizations are coming out and saying,

are we going too far?

Yeah, we've crossed the line.

We've crossed the line.

The New Yorker.

The New Yorker

has a really interesting piece today, talking about

multiple accusations and saying we need to separate a little bit.

We need to find the difference between Harvey Weinstein and

someone else, right?

Like Louis C.K., for example.

We've brought that up one up before.

Yeah.

Because what he did was icky.

Really icky.

If you don't know,

he was.

He pleasured himself in front of women, but asked them first if it was okay to do that.

Yes.

And as far as we know, never did anything that was against the consent of the woman.

So if the women said no, he wouldn't do it.

He wouldn't do it.

And if they said yes, he would do it.

And many of the women reported afterwards feeling like, oh, man,

I shouldn't have watched that.

That was gross.

And now they're upset about it.

And now they're upset about it.

And

he's basically lost his career now because of it as a result.

It's true.

I was watching

Family Guy last night,

which was one of the first episodes of the season.

because I hadn't watched any of them, and I like that show.

It's funny.

Is that Seth McFarland?

Seth McFarland.

He does it, right?

And he's the one who made jokes about Kevin Spacey in the past and made jokes about guy.

Seems to know about everybody's sexual harassment situation.

Right, and that's what I thought because he made the Oscars joke about

it wasn't Spacey, it was Weinstein.

And he had made a Kevin Spacey joke inside of Family Guy, and people were bringing these things up.

And I was like, wow, yeah, he does seem to know everything.

Who was in the first episode of Family Guy this season?

Louis C.K.

Wow.

And it's like that had been a rumor, that rumor I had actually heard in the past that he liked to do this.

He had referenced it on his own show that he liked to do this in front of women.

And

now he's apparently gone.

And, you know, it's like one of those things.

One of the accusations was that one of the women was on a phone call with Louis C.K.

and believed

that he was pleasuring himself while they were on the phone.

She didn't know for sure.

My understanding.

He didn't say.

My understanding is.

Hang up the phone.

First of all, hang up the phone.

Number two, it's my understanding that telephones are not a visual medium.

That's my understanding.

That's my understanding.

Now we have FaceTime, we've got Skype, but it was not one of those calls.

It was just a normal phone call.

So we're at the point now where if a woman believes a guy is doing something while they're on the phone with them.

Well, that's because she has a right to have a phone conversation with Louis C.K.

and shouldn't be made to feel as though he's pleasuring himself while they're talking.

Really?

Yes.

A right to a phone call with Louis C.

And again, it wasn't even the like, it was just that he was powerful, was the excuse.

And his explanation of this, and he was widely praised for it because he kind of came out and was like, Look, yeah, I did these things and I shouldn't have done them.

And I realize now he's like, Even though I always asked for consent and always got in and I never did anything like this with them saying no, I know now that I was wrong.

And it's like his construct of this was: I was admired.

I was a powerful comedian, and people in the industry admired me.

Therefore,

even me asking to have sexual contact with these women was inappropriate because they, I guess, weren't adults enough to say no.

That's unbelievable.

That is unbelievable to me.

It's totally wrong against women.

Think of your wife in that context.

I know my wife.

If Louis C.K.

had asked her, hey, do you mind if I pleasure myself in front of you?

She would absolutely say no and leave.

Because women are capable of doing that.

Yeah.

Now, if there is a step beyond that where a guy says, no, get back in here or forces her,

it's a totally different world.

But if you ask for consent and receive it, that is essentially your responsibility in the situation.

Right.

Like, I mean, there's other moral questions around these sorts of behaviors, but not when it comes to sexual assault, right?

So they go through, the New Yorker goes through the story of Ralph Shorty, who

was a state senator in Oklahoma.

And he was caught having sex with a 17-year-old or about to have sex with a 17-year-old prostitute

and a male.

And so

he is now going to jail for at least, I think it's 10 years.

And even though this person is above the age of of consent,

but not for prostitution.

So he committed what seems to be pretty clearly a crime, but he was facing life in prison because of these things, because of pictures he had been sent from other 17-year-olds.

Apparently, really twisted case.

And I only bring it up because I don't think that's a particularly good example of this, but I bring it up just because the New Yorker was also talking about someone on the right.

So let me give you the example of Glenn Thrush.

If you don't know who he is, he's the New York Times reporter who is wearing the hat all the time.

He's portrayed on Saturday Night Live.

He's kind of like one of those reporters you kind of know, right?

A big political reporter.

Glenn Thrush, White House reporter for the New York Times, suspended in advance of the publication of a story by Vox that described multiple instances in which Thrush made sexual advances towards younger women.

In one, he kissed a woman on the ear.

At the time, the woman seemed to have shrugged it off.

That's accusation one.

Okay, kissed a woman on the ear, the woman shrugged it off.

So at the time, she wasn't upset, but she is is now years later.

I guess doesn't like it now.

But the extent of it was a kiss on the ear.

On the ear.

Okay.

In another, there was a consensual but aborted sexual

encounter.

So it was consensual.

I guess it started, and then they were like, I don't know, let's not do this.

And it stopped.

He didn't force her to make it continue.

Why are we even hearing about that then?

It's like an interesting question.

Consensual.

And then when it stopped being consensual, so did the action.

All of that.

How is that a problem?

Yeah.

I don't know.

Because I think that's your responsibility as a guy, right?

You have to make sure these things are like you can't.

Did you get a form signed in triplicate?

We mocked that before, but I mean,

I think, yes.

I think the answer to this is yes.

I think so.

So all of the incidents appear to have...

This is, again, the New Yorker reporting this.

All of the incidents appear to have involved consumption of alcohol.

None occurred in the workplace.

None involved force.

None of the women reported to Thrush, who as a reporter then at Politico, was he wasn't anybody's boss.

The Times announced that it was suspending Thrush because of accusations of inappropriate sexual behavior.

This is an example of misplaced scale.

Employers do not normally appoint themselves arbiters of appropriate behavior outside the workplace.

It is hard to imagine a non-sexual example of non-work-related behavior that would get a reporter preemptively suspended in the absence of any crime or misdemeanor.

The only thing I can come up with, other than this, and they don't include this, is something where you say something offensive politically.

If you say something that's too conservative on your Twitter account, or you, you know, we saw this with Charlottesville in a more stark example where people were getting fired from their hot dog making jobs because they went to the Nazi rally.

You know, there are some examples, but it's pretty rare.

The fact that you would kiss someone on the ear and they wouldn't make a big deal about it until multiple years later, and that results in your termination is probably completely ridiculous, right?

Like I can,

how do you get to this point where you have an actual

normal relationship?

We talked about this with polling.

I don't think you were here for this segment.

I think it was yesterday, where something like 25% of millennials today say, if a man other than my partner asks me out for a drink, that is sexual harassment.

A quarter.

And it's like, how does someone become your partner if they can't ask you out for a drink?

It wasn't saying it was someone my boss.

It wasn't even saying it had anything to do with work.

It was just someone who is not my partner

asks me out for a drink that is sexual harassment.

So not even in the workplace.

It's not even in the workplace.

Not even in the workplace.

That is a society.

That is a

bizarre society

that's being designed here, and it's going to have lots of repercussions that I don't think that women are going to want.

We talked to a woman who wrote a column about

sexual harassment.

And someone who said, hey, look,

I don't want any,

you don't understand this, men.

I don't want you ever complimenting me or noticing what I wear or talking to me about that or asking me out ever at work, never.

And her point was like, actually, everybody I've ever dated, I met at work.

Yeah.

You know, like that is, I don't want that to happen.

Like, I want to be able able to talk like a normal human being to other people at work.

And

the thought seems to be now we should just eliminate that completely.

And that's a weird thing.

That's, it's, it's, it's a strange decision for a society to make.

And it may have very good motivations and some very good outcomes, but we have to be careful because these things, we've seen this with like, you know, we want to talk about the Patriot Act.

Really good,

really good idea behind the Patriot Act, stop terrorism.

Yes, but

has it been misapplied?

Yes.

And that is what we need to avoid.

Liberals seem to really understand that

when it comes to things like that that they don't like in the Bush administration.

But this is something here.

And this is on both sides of the aisle.

It's not a political issue, as you see with these two being left-wing sources.

But we've got to get to some sort of balance here.

Yeah, we're in a dangerous place.

We want bad guys to go away.

We want them to be punished for their actions if they're horrible, right?

We want that.

But you got to, I mean, we got to have some

sensible way of dealing with these things.

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Let's go to Maya in Pennsylvania.

Hey, Maya, welcome.

Hi, thank you.

Well, I woke up really early this morning and I was thrilled to find out that Matt Lauer has been fired because I never liked the guy,

but I was not shocked.

I never liked him.

but I was shocked.

I was not shocked at all that it was because of sexual harassment.

He has been kind of, I would say, rumored as

a ladiesman over the years.

Really?

And I saw one reporter talking about this of like, well, if anyone you've heard referred to as a ladiesman, because Charlie Rose was referred to this way.

That basically means that they're probably a sexual harasser.

And it's like, is that true?

Great.

I should.

Luckily, no one's ever accused me of being a ladiesman.

That is never

the exact opposite.

Everybody on this network is like, they're like, oh.

Were you not shocked because you heard the rumors of ladies' man, Maya?

No, I was not shocked because it's always, there has been rumors about him, you know, over the years, about him cheating on his wife.

And actually,

Kathy Griffin, years and years ago, when I used to be a fan of hers, she did a joke about him.

on her a bit about him and his philandering ways really

Yeah, years ago.

I remember this joke when I was a fan of him.

But I called because you guys are saying how, you know,

one little thing

could be disastrous.

But

I told my husband about it, and my husband said the same thing.

He said, oh, I'm not surprised at all.

But this is a problem.

This is a problem.

And I understand what you're saying here, but put it into a position of someone you do like.

Someone you really respect and love.

And now you know, like, for example, you know, we talked about this.

We joked about it with Glenn the other day.

Glenn, right?

Someone,

half the country despises Glenn, right?

So half of the, every, half of the country will say the same thing you just said, which is like, ah, well, I believe it from that guy.

He's a dirtbag.

I totally believe it.

And they will immediately pass due process and just let this accusation be true.

And just because we don't like Lauer or we don't like Weinstein or we don't like any of these people does not mean we should not apply the same standard to them.

Right.

Appreciate the call, Maya.

And the other thing is, there's a difference between cheating on your wife and what he's accused of.

Yes.

He's accused of sexual assault.

Yes.

And that is a big line.

A huge, huge line.

The same thing.

With the wrong his wife thing, you presumably would be consensual, right?

And that's one thing that's immoral,

in my opinion, and not right.

In some other opinions, but in some other opinions as well.

But

that's a different issue and a different situation than

sexual harassment and sexual assault.

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Bitcoin is now at over $11,000.

Now, yesterday I came in and talked to you guys, and I think at the time, so it would have been 10:30 yesterday morning, it was at $9,400 or $9,500 or something.

Right around there, yeah.

$97,000.

Now it's over $11,000.

It's done

over $1,000 in a day.

Yeah, yesterday it hit for the first time $10,000, which is obviously a big, inexplicably important round number.

Like, there's no reason 10,000 means anything.

It's just a bunch of people saying, wow, that's a round number.

A lot of zeros on that one.

And we're all guilty of that weird thing that we do with round numbers.

Because you've gone from four to five figures.

Yeah, like it's first, it feels big.

It's not.

It doesn't necessarily mean anything.

It's the same as a dollar from

$8 to $9 is the same gain as $9,999 to $10,000.

Except for percentage, it's much more important from $8 to $9.

It's just happening so fast.

It's happening so fast.

And so, yesterday, approximately, I don't know, six o'clock yesterday, it crossed 10,000

for the first time, which is a huge deal.

I mean, people don't follow this stuff.

A lot of people in the audience think, oh, God, are they blabbing about Bitcoin again?

And I understand that.

But just think of it as any investment.

If you bought a car for $800 in January and are selling it for $10,000, $11,000 today.

That doesn't make any sense.

Now, think if you bought multiple cars at 800, think of how much money some people are making.

You know, thousands and thousands and thousands of millionaires are being created right now.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

You know, it's an incredible time.

When you think about where this thing started and how it began, with the first purchase being a pizza that was purchased on the internet for 10,000 Bitcoins.

10,000 bitcoins bought you a pizza.

And

so the person who sold his 10,000 or gave up his 10,000 bitcoins for a stupid, you know,

$40 worth of pizzas.

It was Papa John's too, by the way.

Papa John's pizza.

And it wasn't even the store itself that took the Bitcoins because nobody did at that time.

It was some guy in England who was a Bitcoin collector.

And he's like, I'll give you 40 bucks for a couple of pizzas for the 10,000 Bitcoins.

That guy is now worth billions,

probably, because I mean just those 100 million or something.

Just 100 million just for those 10,000.

Just for those pizzas, $110 million currently.

Plus, it's actually more than that.

So the person who got the pizza has got to be kicking himself today if he's still alive.

Yeah, I think he's still alive.

I think he's known, too, who it is, because they don't know who started Bitcoin.

They don't know who the person was who actually started it.

But

it's a fascinating thing.

I was talking to somebody who works here earlier today, knew a guy who got very early on the Bitcoin thing and was mining for them.

And there's no need to go into what the mining process is here, but was mining for them, which essentially means you get free Bitcoins if you run your computer to make it easy.

And so he was mining for them very early on, getting them at 30, 40 cents.

You know what I mean?

Like really early, like 2012, 2013, when no one knew what the hell this was, right?

And was able to, for basically nothing,

make a huge profit.

And you think, now the guy's probably a billionaire, right?

No,

he was able to turn that nothing into a brand new Lincoln Navigator.

Now, that's an incredible day.

He got, I think, a $70,000 automobile out of this

because he sold at an incredible profit.

If he had kept that, it would probably be worth $50,000, $80,000, $100 million.

What he got was a $70,000 car, which is a great story, but still,

it's one of those things where you got a car for nothing, and it's the worst story of your life.

And it's kind of a fascinating thing.

This guy could have been worth $110 million.

We told the story of the guy who, a kid who mined for Bitcoins a long time ago or bought some Bitcoins because he thought it was cool, forgot about them, opened up his wallet, and realized he had $6 million

in his wallet out of nowhere.

I just forgot he had even done it.

I mean, these

people are gaining incredible power and wealth off of this thing.

And it's not the normal people, like it's not the big financial institutions, it's not the powerful who have been in on this the whole time.

You know, honestly, myself included, you know, and I'm not making anything like this, but I did, you know, get in fairly early.

It's a bunch of weirdos.

I mean, it's a bunch of weirdos like us who

were were interested in this and believed in decentralized banking and believed in that inflation was a problem and believed in libertarian principles and got in on this early.

And a bunch of weirdos like us are making a lot of money.

I wish I was weirder because then I can make $110 million for two pizzas.

But it's still, it's an interesting thing to watch.

And it is turning everything upside down.

Again, as we give this disclaimer every time we talk about this, if it's zero tomorrow, I will not be surprised.

I mean,

who knows what happens with this stuff?

Like the

CEO of Zappa, wasn't it?

The CEO that was with us months ago.

And he said it's irresponsible to go in and buy a whole bunch of Bitcoins.

He runs a Bitcoin company when he's saying that.

But he said it's equally irresponsible not to have any.

So he said, buy one, because this could go to zero.

Yes, it's possible.

It could go to zero and you lose everything.

Or it could go to a million dollars of Bitcoin.

I I mean, that's his theory.

Yeah.

He thinks it's about 50-50 chance, right?

Of zero or a million.

Now, he runs a Bitcoin company, right?

Maybe he's going to be super optimistic, and he's been in this world for a long time.

There's a guy who did a on CNBC yesterday who thinks by the end of next year, it's going to be 40,000.

Now, that's four times what it is now, and would be a disappointment in comparison to what happened this past year.

It's like, oh, it's only gone up four times per year?

What a disappointment.

Who knows what's going to happen?

But I thought this was an interesting point.

If it does go to 40,000, if it goes to 40,000, cryptocurrencies, right?

All of these, you know, Bitcoin and all these other things will be valued at about 1% of all financial assets.

So it's not as if if it goes to 40,000, it's going to be the biggest thing in the world.

It's going to be much smaller than many of these other investments that you go to.

It's only going to be a small sliver still.

Yeah.

At that point.

And still we're at the point where only a few million people worldwide have any Bitcoin amount of Bitcoin of note, like, you know, within a few hundred dollars, right?

We're very much at the beginning of this, and it's a really interesting thing to watch.

Is it a bubble?

Probably.

I kind of expect it to drop off by 25, 30% at some point.

Is there a point where you sell?

Or are you just in it for the long-term ride?

Are you just in it to see if it gets to a million?

Again,

I like this because it's interesting.

I'm not a big money player in these things, so it's not particularly, you know, not, that's not where I am with it, unfortunately, you know, yeah.

Um, so but I think it's one of those things that I, I'll, if it drops off a little bit, I'll sell a little bit, but I, you know,

you want to kick, take your profits off the table, you know, but

it's still a,

you know, I don't know.

I don't know.

It's, you don't want to miss out on the, on the upside.

Like, I think legitimately, we, you know, you could have sold at 5,000 and been really happy.

That's what happened with a guy.

He bought a freaking Lincoln Navigator and he was really happy.

He had a free Latin Navigator.

He's not happy today.

Not happy now.

The Navigator has depreciated in value.

Yeah.

Bitcoin did not.

Yeah.

No.

So I, it's, it's kind of, it's impossible to know what happens with this.

It's been interesting to go on this ride with the audience.

We had so many people on Twitter.

I'm at World of Stew.

We're getting in now.

Yeah.

Who are saying a lot of people are getting in now.

And look, this will probably, who knows what's going to happen with it.

You know, I'm not trying to tell you that you should dump a bunch of money into it.

I think it's an interesting, fun thing to watch.

But so many people are like, listen to you guys six months ago, listen to you guys eight months ago, listen to you guys a year ago, put money in.

One person said they put $1,000 in when we talked about it about a year ago, and they paid off a year of law school with it.

Wow, paying off a year of law school with the investment they made.

That's nice.

That's awesome.

That's nice.

Now, of course, when it goes to 40,000 and then a million, they're going to be like, why did I even go to law school?

Right.

You know,

so, you know, but that's a great thing.

And there's been a lot of that has happened.

You never know when a market like this dies.

But thinking about it from a larger perspective, and I think that what's interesting to the audience is, you know, an investment going up or down.

We're not CNBC.

That's not what we do here.

So, I mean, it's mildly interesting from that point, just because it's fun to see people get a lot of money and become wealthy.

But more than that, it is taking the government out of incredibly important

transactions in our society.

Forever, forever.

When you've wanted to,

you want to send money to someone, there is always a quote-unquote trusted third party there to navigate that transaction, whether it's the government coming up with a currency and giving it to you so you can mark, well, that's what that means.

But they could always inflate it, right?

They could always do something to it to destroy it.

And they have.

The same thing with banks, right?

How many times have we said we don't trust the banks?

Look at what they're doing with the financial collapse and all these things that have happened.

For the first time ever,

that is eliminated.

That trusted third party is no longer there.

It's now this program that runs, that has rules, and can't be changed.

Yeah, and best of all, I've not invested, so you don't have to worry about it collapsing yet.

That is the thing.

That's not a thing until I invest.

When you invest in

you said, is there a point that I sell?

Yes.

It's the day you tell me.

Somebody, a listener, a couple of weeks ago, we were talking about how, what bad luck I have with investing and how I, you know, we've talked before about when Glenn and I were together the first time and we were offered clear channel stock in lieu of

just 10, yes, in lieu of $10,000 worth of salary, an extra $10,000.

Hey, instead of going up to that level, how about we give you that in Clear Channel stock?

Well, at the time, Clear Channel was, you know, $5 a share, and it wasn't the company

it then became.

And we didn't foresee that, obviously, because we said, no, no, on just $10,000 worth of salary.

So had we taken the $10,000 worth of stock and ridden out the splits and then going back up to $95 and then splitting again and sold at the right time, we both would have made $2.5 million on that.

And that's, yeah, I mean, then this wonderful listener, just to make me feel better about myself, said, and then, Pat, what if you had taken that two and a half million and invested in Bitcoin when it was 300?

Now you'd have $50 million.

Thank you.

Your listeners hate you, apparently.

Okay, good.

Obviously, they do.

All right.

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We were talking about the Bitcoin experience, which has been an amazing one because it started at what 0.07 cents or something.

It was like seven hundredths of a cent when it first started.

If that.

And then it went, you know,

it was on a slow, gradual climb for a long time yeah and it had it had a big spike and then died yeah uh and went down to nothing i mean but we've said this before like when donald trump came down the escalator in 2015 to to announce his candidacy it was something like 500 and now it's 11 000.

i can't think of another stock that has has done that i can't can you think of another

certainly not that fast right yeah the crazy thing is uh the guy who created Bitcoin, no one knows who it is.

Which is a strange thing, very strange thing.

It kind of adds to the coolness of Bitcoin.

I think that is true.

And maybe that's why he does it.

Yeah, maybe that's why he does.

He's just a genius marketer, and he knows that that mystery sort of adds to the mystique of Bitcoin.

Yeah, it may be.

And apparently he's very secretive.

He was.

People think it's Elon Musk.

Yeah, and I don't know that there's a lot to that.

Yeah.

But, you know,

when they were creating this and designing how it was going to work,

the guy who created it interacted with a lot of people, but in anonymous forms and stuff like that.

Like, he had email relationships and then one day just dropped off the face of the earth, and no one knows what happened.

I mean, who knows?

He may have died.

No one knows.

Possibly.

But in there, because he was doing this experiment, he left himself a little

bonus.

Hey, I created this bonus of 1 million Bitcoins,

which today are worth $11 billion.

Okay.

Which is a nice haul.

It's a nice haul.

It's making you one of the richest people in the world.

I think yesterday Glenn said richer than Charles Schwab.

That's pretty good.

It's pretty good.

It's pretty good.

You're on the list, right?

And if this thing keeps going up, you might be the richest person in the world, and we won't know who he is.

Yeah, if it goes to 40,000,

he's got a million.

Is it the Amazon guy is Bezos number one now?

It's close to it?

They're around

50, 60 billion.

As well as that Mexican Carlos Slim.

Telecommunications guy, yeah.

Yeah.

So you have those people around 50 to 70 million, a billion.

You know, if you, there's a possibility that this guy becomes the richest person in the world when we have no idea who he is.

The other part we should note is none of those million bitcoins have ever been moved or touched.

They are all sitting there in their

you know, pure original state and have never been touched because you can tell when transactions happen out of that wallet.

You can see everything that happens.

You just don't know who the people associated with them are.

Are there actual hard copies of Bitcoin?

Do they actually print any coins?

They did start that way.

I think

very early on, just for people to kind of understand that it was a currency, they tried to do, they actually made physical coins earlier.

But now it's just digital, right?

Yeah.

I mean, and it's funny because, you know, I was talking to somebody yesterday, like, well, you know, I was like, well, you know, they limited this to 21 million Bitcoins.

There can never be more.

And that's what I think a lot of the audience likes, the idea that the government can't inflate this currency because there are 21 million and there can never be more.

Pretty big deal.

Yeah.

And he was like, well, how is that different from 21 million unicorns?

Like, what does that mean?

Who cares that there are 21 million Bitcoins?

But it's like, think of what you're doing every day.

Every day, you're using a card or a piece of paper that supposedly, just because you can hold a card in your hand,

how is that any different?

It's still a digital currency that you're passing along.

A dollar just represents this idea that it's worth something.

Just like other.

At one time it was.

It was backed in gold.

Gold.

But again, why does gold have value?

You know, we love gold.

I have gold.

We love gold mine here.

But gold has value because

our civilization has determined it has value.

That's why.

Yeah.

It's not because like oil has value in the way that you can burn it and

it can do things, right?

But, you know, gold largely has value because we've determined it has value.

That's nothing wrong with gold.

It's the same thing with Bitcoin.

It's the same thing with fiat currency, the dollars that you have in your pocket.

It's the same thing with the credit cards that you have, the investments that you have.

It's all determined on market value.

It's all determined because society

believes there's value to it.

And it's the same way with Bitcoin.

I mean, I understand why it's such a weird concept to people.

And

I still am at very limited understanding of it.

We've had experts on that.

Every time we have one on, it teaches you something.

You're just like, wow, really?

But it's an incredible thing.

And it's the technology behind it is going to be

an amazing internet-level change in the way things occur.

Whether Bitcoin goes up or down, I don't know, but the technology behind that is going to

handle huge financial transactions.

The way we do banking, the way we do voting, the way we do all of these things, it's the foundation under it is coming.

And they say it's unhackable.

That is what they say.

That's the claim.

Yep.

And I don't know if people actually believe that.

Because in order to really be a major investor in it, you would, I think you would have to believe that.

Yeah.

And I think because if you hack in, I mean, that destroys the whole thing.

I'm, you know, of course, skept more skeptical of things than the average person, I think.

You?

Wait, what?

Let me see if I can process that.

Tad.

Tad.

That starts.

Yeah, I know.

I know.

It's a weird thing.

Maybe a little bit.

But, you know,

the technology behind it's

pretty secure.

I mean, and the idea that basically it's spread out into a hundred thousand different places, you can hack one of them, you can hack 10,000 of them, and still not do anything to the system.

That's what's amazing about it.

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The big news, if you've missed it, is that Matt Lauer was fired summarily from NBC overnight.

Didn't even do his show today.

So

it's, of course,

an allegation of sexual assault from his time when he was broadcasting the Rio games in 2016.

They're saying they think there's going to be a lot more.

One reporter who has broken a lot of these types of stories over the past few months

says

they think he was one of the worst.

Like, he's going to come out.

Really?

Yeah.

Says Lauer is among the worst I've heard about, not in terms of the kind of misconduct, but the way he manipulated these women into silence.

It's evil, frightening stuff.

Oh, wow.

So we'll see.

Yeah.

Again.

I mean, I'm not a huge Lauer fan.

No, no.

But that, I mean, if I had to guess somebody that was evil, I wouldn't say Matt Lauer.

Would you?

Yeah, no, he wouldn't be the first one that came to mind.

Like, Harvey Weinstein was such a jerk.

That's not a surprise.

And known for being a jerk for other reasons.

Yeah.

You know, he was a known sort of womanizer, but also, you know, abusive to his employees

in a non-sexual way, right?

Like, you know, he yelled at everyone.

He went after them in the media.

He was known to be a real jerk.

Yes.

So it wasn't a huge, huge shocker.

But Matt Lauer, I mean, I had heard, you know, you hear the rumors of him maybe being kind of a ladies' man.

I'd never even heard, because I know he's married.

He's been married for, what, 15 years or so.

And so I don't know that I've ever heard the rumors he was a ladies' man.

Yeah.

I mean, I don't

really care about rumors about Matt Lauer.

But it is interesting.

It's a cultural observation.

It's not about Matt Lauer.

I mean, for him it is.

And for whoever the woman is, you know, it's a personal story.

But for us as a show and as a society, it's about looking at these stories and seeing what precedent we're setting.

And seeing the breathtaking speed with which somebody's career is completely destroyed.

Just boom.

Overnight.

It's gone.

Now, the left cheered this on when it happened to talk show host about their speech.

You know, when talk show, when Don Imus makes a joke

and

he's fired in the middle of a

charity fundraiser for SIDS victims, okay?

MSNBC takes him off the air before he can raise millions of dollars for children with SIDS.

Yeah.

It's SIDS research, I guess is probably the better way of saying that.

I mean,

incomprehensible for making a joke.

And the media cheered that on.

They cheered it on for Imus.

They've cheered it on for when Glenn was being threatened with these things.

They've cheered it on when Rush was being threatened with Hannity's being threatened with these things.

They like that.

I mean, they all cheered on and how it should be.

We should all do that.

Now they're seeing some of their own, you know, their own and some of the people on their side who some some of them have done really bad things and everybody agrees they should.

But now they're being burned by the fire they ignited.

Yes, and some of it is people who have done somewhat questionable things and are being treated as if they are

a genocidal maniac,

a dictator.

And

being

like, you know, when

the Libyan dictator was dragged through the streets, everyone was Gaddafi was, everyone was, you know, wow, that's a, you know, when Saddam Hussein's pulled out of a hole, everyone cheers.

And as he gets hanged a few days later, everyone's like, yes, we did it.

That's kind of like there's an appetite for it right now.

There's a salaciousness.

There's a thirst to find these people who are doing these things and put them away.

And look, if they did them, we should all have that thirst.

That thirst is just justice, right?

I mean, if someone did something like Harvey Weinstein's been accused of and seemingly has kind of half admitted to, although he still hasn't admitted to the worst parts, but I mean, he's probably the most,

the most evidence or the most accusations against him.

You know, somebody like that, you know, we all are really happy that is going away and shouldn't be, you know,

part of what we're doing.

You know, like when you commit crime, these are crimes.

But when you're talking about people who are like, ah, well, they had a relationship with someone who was younger with them that they used to work with.

That means you get

fired?

I don't.

I don't understand.

Do you deserve to be vilified

and your life destroyed?

I don't think so.

Also, Black Lives Matter is organizing something really wonderful.

You might not have the best opinion of Black Lives Matter, but I think when you hear this, it's going to change your mind.

Black Lives Matter is organizing black Christmas

where black people only buy from other black people and ignore white businesses or places that are run by white people.

They're trying to divest from white corporations and white capitalism.

Oh, thank God.

But that's, yeah, and that's not racism.

I don't, I don't want you to start your right-wing kookery and start jumping to racism because they're not capable of racism.

I did have a thought, Pat, and I must admit this, that it does seem like,

how do they call it,

segregation?

Like if you were to buy only from people in your own race and only deal with people in your own race, that seems like you might be segregating yourselves.

Yes.

But again, it's fine because it's Black Lives Matter doing it.

So if black people segregate themselves, that's only because they want to.

If white people start segregating themselves, that's because they're evil

and racist and hateful.

It's better, though, to try to advance a society where you don't care about skin color and

you wouldn't make your decisions based on skin color either way.

That's cute.

That's so coint.

But it was something that Martin Luther King kind of argued.

Yeah, when he said that you should pay attention to the color of people's skin,

not the content of the character.

When he said that,

I kind of cheered.

He did, because I think he said the opposite.

I'm pretty sure.

You would think it was the opposite of what he actually said, because

these people are being applauded for

supporting black businesses.

But if a white person had started this, they'd be a white supremacist.

They'd be a racist.

They'd be a member of the KKK.

They're neo-Nazis.

And people would attack them.

And they'll be attacked.

Then people

are.

It would be right.

Yeah.

It would be right to do that.

You know, I wouldn't go to a business.

I would not deal with it.

You know, I would not, if I knew a restaurant I went to every day, a bunch of white supremacists were behind it, I wouldn't go, right?

Right.

I mean,

you wouldn't want, I wouldn't want to be part of that.

We've said this before, if a bakery really was saying, you know what, I don't want any gays in here.

As they have, as several have been caught doing this about Trump supporters and other groups on the conservative side, Christians.

That's happened.

But any group,

if a bakery, you know, we're like, you know what, we don't want to serve gay people here.

No, I would never go to that bakery.

Never.

Right.

Never.

Despite if they had like really delicious, like moist red velvet.

Even if they had that, I still wouldn't go.

What if they had Diet Coke?

I do like Diet Coke.

And that was the last place you could bibe Diet Coke.

Well, then

my rights are being violated.

I have a right, a constitutional right to aspartame that is protected by the

29th Amendment, the 29th Amendment.

But it's true.

Absolutely.

If a bakery was like, you know what, we're not serving Jews,

you would be like, I'd be outraged.

Get out.

I'm never going to that place.

And they would likely go out of business if they had a stance like that.

But the idea that you would go and only support someone of your own race is a terrible idea.

It's a terrible idea.

But one of the Black Lives leaders, and she's also a professor at Cal State University, Melina Abdullah, said, we say white capitalism because it's important that we understand that the economic system and the racial structures are connected.

We have to not only disrupt the systems of policing that literally kill our people, but we have to disrupt the white supremacist, capitalist, patriarchal, heteronormative system that is really the root cause of these police killings.

I think it's important to realize that Black Lives Matter has gone so far beyond

the black people who have been killed by police.

I mean, now it's to the very economic system of the United States of America.

Wow.

Yeah.

And now it's about heteronormative standards and it's about

patriarchy.

What is that?

These things change, right?

Like you, we've talked to people who are in Black Lives Matter who don't believe those things.

You know, like the leadership circumstances.

But the leadership does, whatever that leadership is, and many of them, as is typical with movements on the left,

it always comes back to the same three or four things.

It sure does.

Socialism, comes.

Socialism, communism, aborting children.

There's three or four things it always comes back to.

And all of this, even like you might say, well, it always comes back to something like global warming.

No, global warming is the other way.

Global warming is a cause to get to the end.

It's a means.

And it is, well, that global warming thing gets back to

you know, the same thing of government control and taking money from people to do what the government seems to do right.

It's progressivism.

That doesn't mean everybody who believes in global warming or is an environmentalist is like that.

It's certainly not true.

But

it's a big part of it.

And it needs to be called out because you can't act as if just because the initial motivation,

right or wrong, was a positive thing.

We want to protect black people from being shot unfairly.

That is an absolutely positive

initial ideal.

That everybody's on board with.

Yes, everybody is.

White, Hispanic.

It doesn't matter.

But we're all on board with that.

Then it blows into some that maybe are justified shootings that we're going to protest.

Then it turns into every cop is really bad.

And then it turns into Colin Kaepernick, who's kneeling during the anthem with his pig socks and his Che shirt.

And like, wait a minute, where did we get to?

They try to make you, if you oppose what Colin Kaepernick does as a protest, and you think it's a dumb protest, even though he would have the right to do it if he could stay on the actual field and keep a job,

you know, they make it seem like you're against that initial cause.

Well, we all don't want, it's nothing to do even with black people.

I don't want anyone shot when they're not supposed to be shot.

Right.

Ever.

It should never happen.

It will happen occasionally.

And when it does, there needs to be justice behind that.

But, you know,

this is kind of where these things go.

You know, the NFL players are like, well, what are you talking about?

We have this, all we're saying, we're standing up for injustice.

That's why we're kneeling to the anthem.

That's nothing to do with protesting the anthem or the country, the military.

Then do it at any other minute of the day.

Right.

Then kneel at any, during any one of the other 23 hours and 59 minutes that the anthem isn't playing.

And you know who is going to have a problem with that?

Pretty much nobody.

Pretty much nobody.

Very true.

And they keep saying it's not about the anthem and it's not about the country.

Well, that runs contrary to what Colin Kaepernick, the founder of this movement, said.

It was about the anthem and it is about the country.

Yeah.

To Colin Kaepernick, it was.

But we're supposed to take all of their best intentions, all the best way you can take anything that Black Lives Matter does.

For example, they want to only buy from black businesses and they want to essentially racially segregate themselves to only do business with their own race.

And what we're supposed to take from that is, well, you know, they're good people and they just want to help other blacks.

And, you know, look, they've had some,

they've been oppressed in the past and, you know, we should have support their efforts to only buy from people with the same skin color as them.

Yeah.

No.

You should never make a decision based on skin color.

That comes from racism.

That comes from what we're talking about with Black Lives Matter.

And it comes from giving free money at college to a black person over a white person because they're black.

It should never, ever be part of your decision-making process.

That is the absence of racism.

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Well, the collapse of Bitcoin has already begun.

It was at 11.3 when we were talking about it 45 minutes ago.

What What is it now?

10,800, 769.

Wow.

Yeah.

10.8.

And it was 11.3.

Some app sent out a

The Economist, I guess, sent out an app or an alert to everyone that said it was trying to say that Bitcoin has hit 10,000.

Its rapid appreciation should worry all who hold it.

But what they did is they left out the 10.

So it just said Bitcoin has hit zero.

Oh, wow.

Which is, that's not encouraging.

No.

I don't think it's true.

It does not seem to be.

It would create a little panic, too, I would think.

Brian in Oklahoma.

Hi.

I think

the word that Glenn likes to use is paradigm shift as far as the cryptocurrency market.

There's two things.

You guys always encourage people to buy gold and silver in case of hard times and upheaval in the government.

Well, two weeks ago, Zimbabwe overthrew Mugabe and their economy started to tank.

Well, they started trading in Bitcoin.

Well, the thing was that their Bitcoin went to like 15,000, but that wasn't U.S.

Bitcoin, which means there's more than one Bitcoin market out there in the world.

There's lots of them, yeah.

Now, yeah, there's lots of them.

I invested in four major ones, and I've done really well just in the last month.

I've doubled my money.

Nice.

But one thing you said that everybody needs to understand: what backs Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies?

What they're backed by?

Unicorns.

It's backed by the U.S.

dollar.

So if people say you got rich and you've got $100 billion worth of Bitcoin, you go to cash it in for what?

Right.

Well, it depends.

I mean, you know, there's two ways that goes, right?

You cash it out for, you know, normal currency and you can spend it as you normally do.

If that were to collapse, obviously, is kind of what you're talking about.

But I mean, at that point, you don't need to transfer it to anything.

Bitcoin is a spendable currency.

Yeah.

You know, it doesn't, it's not everywhere yet, but it's, it is growing quickly.

Yeah, you can get more than a pizza for it now.

Yeah.

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truth put back another day another uh 335 people accused of sexual harassment

it might be on the low side i'm just kind of estimating it was 335 when you said it, but now it's 5.42.

It's going about that fast.

It is.

Obviously, Matt Lauer fired today from the Today Show

for sexual assault of some sort.

Apparently, this stems from an incident in Rio when they were covering the Olympics and is just coming to light now.

Also, John Conyers has more accusers.

And Cokie Roberts, who is

a reporter, she says it's pretty much common knowledge among reporters that he does this, that he's just a sexual, a serial sexual harasser.

Fascinating.

And another staffer, another female staffer of his said that, yeah, pretty much everybody's seen him in his underwear.

A guy always strips down to his underwear, invites women in, walks around the office.

Strange stuff.

Yeah.

88 years old.

I don't even want to think about him having

like underwear.

No, I think, you know, I just

of John Conyers in underwear in the same sense.

No, just think of him fully clothed if you're going to think of him at all.

So wow.

I mean, that snowball continues to roll down the hill and gather steam, and who knows where that's going to end.

But also, a sort of mysterious incident that we've

been kind of on the back burner for about a month now is the Rand Paul attack.

The guy, his next-door neighbor, attacked him while he was getting off his riding lawnmower.

He had earmuffs on to protect his hearing from the noise.

And

the

neighbor came racing across his lawn and apparently slammed him into the tractor or the ground hard enough to break six of his ribs.

Now, here's Rand Paul's description of the attack from yesterday.

I was working in my yard with my earmuffs on, you know, to protect my hearing from the mower.

And I'd gotten off the mower facing downhill, and the attacker came running full of bleed.

I never saw him, I've never had a conversation.

In fact, the weird thing is I haven't talked to him in 10 years.

That's just amazing.

So he's got his head to him in 10 years.

He's facing the other way, and there's a hill in front of him.

And this guy runs and levels him at full speed without him even knowing it's coming.

And he hasn't talked to the guy in 10 years.

So bizarre.

So bizarre.

He also talked about the motive behind the attack.

Sort of.

Listen to this.

Do you have any idea what was in his head?

Well, I didn't before the attack because we'd had no conversation.

After my ribs were broken, then he said things to me to try to indicate where he was unhappy.

But I think the,

I guess to me, the bottom line is it isn't so important.

If someone mugs you, is it really justified for any reason?

And so I think the more people belabored, oh, well, was it about yard clipping?

Was it because he hates Donald Trump?

Does he hates you because you oppose Obamacare?

You don't really know what's in someone's mind.

And so it may have some relevance, but for the most part, the real question should be, are you allowed to attack someone from behind in their yard when they're out mowing their grass?

That isn't the question because everybody knows the answer to it.

Right.

No, of course not.

That's not what we're saying.

On the one hand, he says you can't know what's in somebody's mind.

Well, yeah, you do because he told you.

And you said he told you.

So why do you tell us?

So why not tell us?

Something really strange about that.

I don't understand.

Yeah, I don't understand it either.

I mean, you know, is it potentially that he is going to enter into legal action against this guy and doesn't want to talk about it publicly?

I mean, it certainly seems like he should.

Yeah.

He does seem like it's a worthwhile lawsuit.

The idea that this guy would just come attack you for no reason in the middle of the yard, though, because

he keeps, he won't just say it.

Right.

Just tell us what it is.

What did he say to you?

Because he did explain it to to him, obviously.

Yeah.

Because he said he tried to explain to me why he was unhappy.

Well,

why was he unhappy?

And what could be the reason for not telling other than the lawsuit?

But then maybe it's something embarrassing to Rand.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I mean, fundamentally, of course, he's right.

You can't just, no matter what your complaint is, you can't just come and attack somebody in their yard when they're not looking.

That's true.

We all know that's true.

Yes.

It's not the fundamental question because it's too obvious.

There's no intrigue to that question.

We all get it.

Yes, he should, like, his explanation here, whether it's politics,

whether it is,

you know, lawn clippings, whether it's something else, isn't all that important as he should probably receive the same penalty either way.

That is, of course, not how our legal system is designed because our legal system says if it's about politics and he's attacking a senator about politics, it may be a federal crime, which may be much larger in penalty.

You know, a normal brawl with your neighbor might get you some prison time, depending how severe it is.

But when you are attacking a senator over political purposes, that's a totally different scale.

And that's why I think it really matters for this guy, because if that was his motivation, it might wind up being a much bigger deal for him.

And

maybe he doesn't want to make it a much bigger deal for him.

Maybe it was politically motivated and he just doesn't want to say.

It's weird, though.

I don't know.

We all have a tendency to start filling in the blanks when the blanks aren't filled in for us because you just want to make sense of it.

And

we've had two situations lately that

the blanks haven't been filled in for us, the shooting in Las Vegas and now this Rand Paul thing.

And so people are filling in the blanks.

I'm glad you brought up the Vegas thing

because what the hell is going on with that?

I don't know.

500 people were shot or more.

Yeah.

And many died, obviously.

And

we still don't know the timeline.

We don't know why he stopped shooting or when.

You've got the hotel version, and then you have the security guard version, and then you have the police version.

And still nothing about this guy.

Still nothing motivation.

No.

Very little from the people around him.

Which contributes to a bunch of conspiracy theories.

Yeah, which is dumb.

I mean, there's no, you know, like

you're right that human beings tend to try to fill in the blanks that are blank, right?

That's not necessarily a good instinct, though.

Human beings tend to do a lot lot of crazy things.

So the kooks are filling in the blanks of the Vegas shooting that these are crisis actors, and the shooting actually didn't happen.

It's so absurd.

It's really obvious.

And obviously, it's so absurd.

So, because we don't have the answer with Rand Paul,

was that a crisis actor on Senator Paul's lawnmower?

And this didn't actually happen to him.

My belief is it didn't happen.

It was not a real lawnmower.

Not a real mower.

Okay, yeah, it was just not a real lawnmower.

And that's what Senator Paul is trying to cover up.

I don't have a real writing mower.

Here's the thing: he was

trying to get out of the house, act like he was working.

In reality, he just had that before.

He just had a, it's just like a go-kart.

It's not actually cutting the lawn.

He just wanted to be out of the house.

Since he didn't get it finished, he had to tell his wife something.

And he can't say it's about lawn clippings because there were no lawn clippings.

He wasn't mowing the lawn.

That's what I believe happened.

I think you need to call InfoWars.

Oh, yeah.

Because I think that's probably accurate.

Yeah.

We just stumbled on the truth right there.

He wasn't actually mowing his lawn.

Because, I mean,

if you can get away with just going outside, turning on the mower, letting it run and sitting on the other side,

they hear the mower inside.

They assume the grass is being cut.

And in reality, you're just chilling and watching Netflix on your phone.

That's not a bad approach to housework.

Yeah, no,

it's a weird thing.

That is a strange story in that both of them.

How do we not have more information?

I guess with Rand Paul, it's one person.

It's a bad attack, and he's sitting U.S.

Senator.

It's a big deal, but it's not hundreds of people being shot and murdered for seemingly no apparent reason.

I still think

the problem with the security guard is that he's maybe a dreamer.

You know, he's here illegally

because he's been here, I think, most all of his life.

But I'll bet he's an illegal alien, and nobody wants to say it.

And that's probably why he wasn't registered as a security guard.

And Mandalay Bay doesn't want to say anything about hiring illegals and skipping the process and breaking the law

because they had to be registered.

Because he was one of the, and he did do one interview, right?

He did one interview with Ellen, which was a softball interview, and she never got to the bottom of anything we wanted to know about.

And then now he never wants to talk again.

I mean, at some point, you would assume there's going to be an investigation where he's talking to authorities, and we'll eventually probably find that out.

But

it's amazing that how the media ⁇ this is not a minor thing.

It's the worst mass shooting in history.

Yeah.

Worst mass shooting, and I should say in U.S.

history, because go look at some communist regimes and see if there's been worse mass shootings than that.

There have been.

A lot of them.

Most of the worst mass shootings in history have all been done by governments.

We should point out.

It's something that the left, when they talk about how the government should be controlling weapons, should maybe learn that lesson.

But yeah, I mean, this is a really, really bad one.

Incredibly horrific story with immense amounts of video, too.

It's, it's, you know, there's one thing to have a mass shooting and we all hear those terrible stories.

It's another thing.

We all kind of feel like we experienced that one.

I mean, you feel like you were standing there in the crowd watching Jason Aldean sing, and all of a sudden people are being slaughtered all around you.

And there doesn't seem to be even an update.

We're not even on a weekly basis.

We're getting nothing out of that story.

It's very strange.

And it's almost two months now because it happened October 1st, right?

So it's November 29th now.

Two days, it's December 1st, two months

from the event, and they've filled in no blanks for us.

Yeah.

I mean, I would encourage you to, if you are feeling the same way about this, to get a baseline.

The New York Times put together an amazing piece of video and timeline about when things happened and where things with video, some video I had never seen before, of like cab drivers that were pulling up to the Mandalay Bay, not knowing what was going on, just hearing the noises.

I mean, and showing you where it was, what happened at exactly what they think is the right time.

But as you point out, there are some disagreements in the timeline, but at least gives you a general sense of what was happening, where it was happening.

And some of that has been fleshed out, but still motivation, nothing.

And really,

a giant zilch.

I mean, could this person have lived his entire life with no indication that he was going to do this and just do it?

I guess it's possible, but that's almost scarier in some ways.

Like, you know, an Islamic extremist that does something like this, we all know there are millions of Islamic extremists around the world, many of which have answered to pollsters that they want to kill innocent Americans.

Like, I mean, it's one thing to be dedicated to kill innocent Americans.

It's another thing to say, you know what?

I'm going to tell the pollster who just called me.

And you know what?

Yes, I would like to kill them.

That's quite another, that's quite another line across the world.

and luckily, the problem isn't as bad here, obviously, but there are extremists all over the place that want to kill people.

And while it's terrible and dying is dying, you at least understand there's something understandable about that.

The one, I think it was Adam Lanza, was the

guy

with the school in Sandy Hook.

I think that was Adam Lanza.

Sometimes I get these things confused, but

one of the most terrible things about that, despite it being one of the worst crimes ever committed in American history, probably.

I mean, these are little children who had nothing to do with any of this, with anything.

But

he seemingly kind of didn't really have a story.

You know, he's kind of, he had some mental issues.

And, you know, he

played, you know, he was obsessed with these shootings, kind of.

And that's kind of all we know.

And there really wasn't a, not that there's ever a satisfying answer to something like that, but at least when there's an ideology behind it, you understand what occurred.

And this one is even, I mean, makes that one look like we have tons of information on it.

It's even more obscure.

More obscure?

This doesn't seem to be anything.

Yeah.

Just this guy had a bunch of weapons and is long, meticulously planned over a long period of time.

And a guy with access to $2 million?

A wealthy guy?

So strange.

Yeah, so strange.

So strange.

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Glenn back.

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Also, we're going to talk to Jeffy in a few minutes.

And is that confirmed or would we?

It is confirmed.

Must we, I guess, is the way I would.

I mean,

maybe there's a way out.

Maybe we tell him

that the

show's been moved to New York and it's not there anymore.

Or Zimbabwe.

Or Zimbabwe.

Maybe we just tell him, sorry, we've retired to go sell facial cream.

Is that where Glenn really is today?

You say he lost his voice.

That sounds very suspicious.

Doesn't it?

Especially with his face looking so soft and smooth lately.

Something's going on there.

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Senate Republicans considering an automatic tax increase.

This is what I love.

If the revenue falls short of projections when they give the tax out, they're thinking about instituting

an automatic tax increase that just kicks in.

They wouldn't have to go back and debate it or tell the American people about it.

They just put it in there.

And if revenue falls below a certain level, we all get a tax increase.

With Republicans like this, who needs Democrats?

I don't know how

they even look themselves in the mirror every night.

It's basically their way to try to say, we care about the debt.

We swear.

Yeah, look, it's not going to hurt our problems.

The budget.

Cut the budget.

Would be great.

Cut spending.

But they're spending so much.

That's the fallacy of being revenue neutral.

I don't want it to be revenue neutral.

Stop caring if it's revenue neutral.

I don't want the government to have the same amount of money that they currently have.

They get too much.

That's the point of a tax cut.

And to say that, yes, like their point is, well, what will happen is the economy will grow and we'll get the same amount of money anyway.

That's great in theory.

Like, I understand why you, it's great in theory if you believe the government is currently the correct size.

Right?

The only way that's just, like, it's their way of saying, like, well, we're going to tax, we're going to cut taxes for people, and you'll still get all the great stuff the government does.

Well, I don't think the government does a lot of great stuff.

They do a couple of good things.

It's about it.

And in fact, there's all, there's this, you probably wouldn't know this, Pat, but there's this document that kind of outlined what the government should do.

It was actually a series of documents written by these people.

They're really old.

They wore these weird wigs.

Were they all white?

They were all white.

I mean, white.

And we're talking whiteies here.

Were they old?

Like, white powers are prime.

In fact, if they were alive today, they'd be super old.

Like, hundreds of years old.

Probably be in a nursing home by now.

And you know what happens when the document, when it gets old, gets dusty?

Yeah, it's old.

And you can't read it anymore.

And it doesn't mean it starts to yellow.

It yellows, and it doesn't mean anything, right?

Right.

I mean, you can't trust the things that are in there.

I mean, you can't pay attention to a document that was written, what, 240 years ago.

It's stupid.

And like,

what does a enumerated power?

What does that even mean?

What?

I mean,

it's way too long.

Think of all those syllables and letters.

There's way too many vowels in there.

It's way better if you don't have to pay attention to anything.

Yeah, what if you just do the things you want to do?

And it takes as much as you want to do it.

That's, I think, the right way a society should run.

It would seem to me these people you're describing, the white

old

powdered wig people.

They had no conception of what life today would be like.

No.

Did they know?

Did they know about cars or a trip to the moon?

No, they couldn't conceive of such a thing.

No.

So why should we live by their rules?

We shouldn't.

We shouldn't.

And that's why we're just going to ignore pretty much everything they put in the documents.

It's funny because

that's a problem, and you've made this point a million times, and I love it, which is

the Republicans who claim to be conservative

say they believe certain things, but are unwilling to articulate them to the society.

They come up with

justifications.

Yeah, they come up with justifications.

Well, what we'll do.

No, we don't want you to have, we don't want the government to shrink at all.

We don't want them to have any less money.

So what we'll do is we'll just guarantee you get the same amount of money.

And if it doesn't happen, we'll raise taxes.

We promise.

Like, that is such a defensive position.

You have control of the House, the Senate, and the presidency.

Yeah.

Do something bold.

Oh, they can't.

And that we're not getting.

They won't.

And, you know, I don't know what's going to happen with this.

Like, there's been a couple different breakdowns of what this tax plan will do to even people like the middle class.

Nobody should have their taxes raised in any circumstance.

Everyone should have more of their own money.

And a Republican-dominated Congress?

Yeah.

Especially when you're talking about an opening negotiating position or a first bill before it goes to reconciliation.

I mean, I you can't even imagine.

But, you know, the breakdowns are questionable.

Who's going to save?

Will some people pay more?

I don't know.

We don't know yet.

Glenn, back.

You're listening to the Glenn Beck program.

With Pat and Stu.

Joined by Jeffy now.

Hi.

Jeffy?

Good to see you.

I wish I could say the same.

I just want to stop by and say hi.

Yeah, we were not really particularly interested in that.

In fact, we moved.

So you're not really here?

No.

No, we are.

So you might as well.

Might as well go back to your office.

Welcome to the program, Jeffy.

Thank you.

It's very good to see you.

It's good to see you, too.

As always.

You

stunningly have not been accused of any crime recently, which is

maybe we shouldn't mention that.

Gets really amazing.

I watched Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade this past Thanksgiving, and there's Matt Lauer with Savannah Guthrie and Al Roker, and I remember sitting there this year, days ago, thinking, wow, Matt Lauer has made it through the

fire.

It's so weird.

Pat's had the same thing.

Almost exactly.

He's made it through the fire.

Because my thought was,

because I was just thinking about Charlie Rose having been summarily fired from all of his jobs.

And I thought, well, here's another Mario show.

I wonder if he's got skeletons in the closet.

He's been there forever.

He's hanged tough.

Five days later, he's gone.

I mean, gone.

I'm just happy that for the first time since my mother passed away, I'm happy that she passed away.

Because she loved me.

Oh, did she?

Oh, really?

So I'm happy she didn't have to see this day of reckoning horror.

What does he do again?

I will say, I don't know what he did, but they seem like they have a lot on this guy because the way they're acting, first of all, they dropped it.

The same thing that happened with Spacey, too, right?

It was amazing.

It was like they just, everybody cut ties.

So it was like, what do they know?

Yeah.

And that's the thing with Spacey.

We We haven't heard a lot since he kind of went away.

He had that burst of

accusations, and it was, and then we haven't heard a lot, I think largely because a lot of other people have been accused in the interim.

But I mean, that might be their strategy here because there was no investigation.

There was no suspension.

There was no, we need to talk to him about this.

There was no, we heard something and we're really worried about it.

It was just, hey, by the way,

bye.

Remember that guy who used to be here for 20 years?

No.

No more.

Gone.

Gone.

Gone.

Pretty weird.

It certainly is.

Will Al Tro be next?

I think he is.

I think Al might be next because, you know, I saw him making his little ha-ha jokes, his funny, funny jokes on the Thanksgiving Day parade.

His only out, though, if accused.

Well, is that

poop his pants?

Yeah, so I think that's his out.

That's his out.

Yeah, well, I, you know, what happened to me was

I pooped my pants.

So he's good.

That's kind of his excuse for everything, I feel like.

I've got to feel it works.

I think it does.

Al Roker sexually molested me.

Well, yeah, but he, you know,

I pooped my pants.

He pooped in his pants at the White House.

So

he's had punishment enough for whatever he's done.

You know, what are you going to do?

That hasn't already been done to him.

He had to throw his underwear on the trash can at the White House.

He did,

he did.

Because, and the reason was.

You pooped in your pants.

I pooped my pants.

And I feel like if you're a janitor at the White House,

you're,

this is probably like, I don't know.

I mean, I'm not myself a janitor,

but it is, I got to think that that's like the number one job you want.

Adult underwear in the garbage would be so

turnoff in that job.

If you're going to work a job as a janitor, like the top of your profession, right, is probably the White House.

And you're thinking, like, here I am, I'm with a bunch of very refined people.

Yeah.

Most powerful people in the world.

Most powerful people in the world.

And then you start taking the garbage out, and then you realize that Al Roker.

That's unfortunate.

It's not the day you want.

This wasn't in my job description.

No.

Are you at all uncomfortable, Jeffy?

Because you follow these things closely.

Number one, have you heard these types of rumors about Matt Lauer before?

No.

So you hadn't heard.

No, that's why I was saying either.

When I was watching the parade, I thought, wow.

I mean, really, he's made it through the fire.

There's a guy.

There's one guy that's still in the forest.

That's still okay.

Right.

Yeah, yeah.

And two, are you

have we hit the point of saturation here where

I don't think so?

You think there's still a lot more of this to come?

Absolutely.

There has to be.

It feels like it's going to take a big news event.

Like North Korea actually hits, like the next test missile lands in Tokyo for this to be knocked off of the news sequel.

And obviously, you don't represent anything like that.

But I mean, like, no, but that's going to have to be that.

And it's tough because

is there, and let me ask this,

this is a good question for Jeffy.

I feel like that.

You are a personality that have never been accused of anything like this.

And as much as we bust on you, some people have said you're a good guy or whatever.

Not that I believe it.

Or whatever.

Not that I believe it, but people have said that.

Let's say someone you had wronged in the past, multiple years ago, decided to come out and say, you know what?

You didn't sexually harass them.

You didn't sexually assault them.

But they accuse you of that because you had done something they didn't like.

They didn't like you for some reason.

Whatever it was.

It's possible.

completely false.

We all know that this has occurred.

I mean, we can use Duke Lacrosse.

We can use Rolling Stone.

We can use Project Veritas from yesterday, who believed the Washington Post was wronging them and they sent someone to lie about a story to get them in trouble, right?

Like good for the Washington Post, though, right?

I mean, they did their job.

Right.

So craft me the response.

If you are completely innocent, what do you say?

You can say, if you say,

you know what?

I did not do that.

She's lying.

You're blaming the victim.

Now, you might say, well, but there's not a victim if I didn't do anything.

Yes.

Oh, I see.

Now these people are all lying about you?

Is that?

And you say yes.

And then you say yes.

You have to, right?

But nobody does.

Nobody's, well, I'm not calling them a liar.

I'm just saying that's not accurate.

Yeah.

And then not only are you.

No,

let it stand.

Call them a liar if they're lying.

Because then not only are you the person.

The person who's

supposedly victimized this woman is terrible because they've done this thing.

But then anyone who sides with them and says, Well, he says he didn't do it, they're in trouble too.

They're also a terrible human being because they're accusing that woman of lying in some indirect way.

And Savannah Guthrie showed just how true that is this morning because she talked about Matt Lauer being a dear, dear friend, somebody she loves,

somebody they've, you know, that's been her partner, and now she's conflicted because of the courageous employee, fellow co-worker that came forward with this tough information.

Right.

Well, so she's got to give

the victim

the appearance that she believes the victim too, even though she's known her dear, dear friend for all these years.

She's going to stick up for him like that.

She loves him, she still can't defend him.

That's how bad this is because she knows she can't say anything good about that.

Any female that comes out and says that, you know, some of these women, we've got to be careful because we've spent, I mean, Angela Lansbury surprised she's still alive came out the other day and was talking about you know for years women have made themselves look beautiful and so we have to take a little bit of

that was a bad comment though I mean that was a 92 year old comment

I know but I'm just saying it's an example of then she's just piled on but She was saying that because women are beautiful, men have an excuse, kind of.

It was almost that kind of thing.

I didn't hear that.

You know, we've been working really hard to make ourselves desirable to men.

Now they're, well, yes, but just because you're desirable doesn't mean we can act inappropriately to you.

Yeah, because there have been women who on record have said they have dressed a certain way to entice a man to treat them better.

We have heard recently women who have said, I chose.

to have sex with this man for this job.

For this job.

Yes.

I got the job.

And now it's sexual harassment.

And it's like, is that a good arrangement?

No.

No.

Is it an appropriate arrangement?

No.

Is this sexual harassment?

No.

I mean, I don't.

You don't negotiate at a price, and the price was the movie role.

And this is the thing, because I think you could say fairly, right?

Like, that

you shouldn't have to have sex with someone to get a movie role.

And you shouldn't.

No.

But let's just take the other side of this for a second.

You know, you're the backup quarterback in this situation.

You're the woman that should have had that role, but the other woman slept with Harvey Weinstein to get it.

So now you didn't get a job because some other woman chose on her own volition, by her own word, to have sex with Harvey Weinstein to get a job.

Doesn't that other woman kind of have a case here to be pissed off?

Wait, I mean, forget the fact that the woman is saying that she is a victim of Harvey Weinstein, and obviously he was, you know,

all accounts of a predatory.

Because they say that they felt felt they couldn't say no.

But you can.

You felt that way or not, you can say no.

And so you didn't get that acting role.

You'll get another one.

Yeah.

Well, yeah, but it's the Hollywood industry.

She'll be blackballed for, well, then do something else.

Do a different line of work.

And again,

I know because you said this off the air as well.

It's like, that doesn't mean it's appropriate.

That doesn't mean it's right.

You know,

it's an impossible situation to be put in.

And

you're having to make a decision based on priorities that you shouldn't have to make.

You shouldn't have to decide, well, do I want this job?

Or do I want to have sex with Harvey Weinstein?

Or do I want to be harassed?

That's not a decision that should happen, right?

So that part of it is a real problem and shouldn't exist.

And seemingly with Weinstein and several others, it really does exist.

That seems to be completely a different case than Glenn Thrush from the New York Times or even Louis C.K.,

who doesn't seem that way.

I mean, Roy Moore, obviously, we've talked about there.

There is a wide array of accusations against Roy Moore, but the one that really stands out is the 14-year-old.

If the 14-year-old thing is true, then it's a really big deal, and he shouldn't be senator, right?

If the accusation is true that it was from, I think, a 22-year-old, a 22-year-old woman, that he went to the mall and he asked out several times and she said no and nothing happened, that's not, that's not a news story at all.

Right.

It's not even something that you probably might not even remember in your life

from both sides of that equation.

Someone asked me.

Rod Moore certainly can't be the first person who has put on the watch out for that guy at the mall guy.

Yeah.

I mean, there's guys like that all the time.

Yeah, you'd know.

Well,

I mean, you got to go in the side.

It's not all just malls with you.

It's all areas.

But it needs to be said, the mall manager said that wasn't even true.

He was not banned from the mall.

Well,

he was in that area, right?

Like he was, I think, a little bit after these incidents, but he was still, he would still theoretically be banned, right?

Yeah.

And I don't, you know, who knows if that's true or not.

But there's a guy that said, that's denied it, right?

I mean, he's the guy that's denied it down the line.

I don't know.

Yeah.

If you deny it, you better be true.

Be true to yourself.

But

you can't fight it off.

Yeah.

You can't fight it off.

No matter how many times you deny it,

they're still going to vilify you.

They're still going to vilify you.

They're still going to be guilty of it too.

Whatever portion of the audience previously didn't like you is going to continue to not like you and say, anyone who supports you is a terrible person for supporting you.

It makes it impossible.

And we've said this with claims of racism before, right?

If you call everything racism, then the real claim of racism has no

power.

And I think that's true.

I think it's true with sexual harassment as well.

There are women who are really,

you know, have been assaulted and have been harassed and taken, you know, I mean, there are accusations in this mess of the past couple of months.

There are

accusations of rape, right?

These are really, really serious things.

Horrible.

To throw in in these same conversations people who have.

I'll give you

the Glenn Thrush thing one more time.

I don't know if you heard this earlier, Jeffy.

He is the

writer.

The writer for the New York Times.

The White House portions are amazing.

Yeah.

This is what they accuse him of.

Not necessarily what he's admitted to.

This is what he accuses of.

One accusation, he kissed a woman on the ear at the time the woman shrugged it off.

Accusation one.

Accusation two.

There was a consensual but aborted sexual encounter.

The other ones.

That's not even a problem.

Not a problem.

Like they started doing it and they decided both to say that.

And then she said no.

This isn't right.

And he didn't do anything then.

Weird.

I mean, that's.

So, how is that an issue?

Yeah.

How is that an issue?

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Hello.

Matt Ray, Stupergear.

Jeffy's here as well.

In for Glenn today,

who lost his voice.

And so hopefully, after a day of rest, he should be back tomorrow.

We've been talking about several things today, but probably the biggest story of the day is the firing of Matt Lauer and how quickly that

transpired.

We're probably going to hear a lot of screwy things about Matt Lauer in the next couple of days.

Does seem that way, doesn't it?

Yeah.

As fast as they got rid of him, you've got to believe that some bad things are going to come out.

Yeah, he said an interesting thing.

We played it earlier, and we don't have time for it again, but he was interviewing Bill O'Reilly shortly after O'Reilly's demise, and he told Bill O'Reilly, hey, you don't just fire your number one guy without evidence.

You figure he's laying the groundwork?

Wow.

That's

ballsy.

If you knew that this was possible about yourself, crap in your past.

Wow.

Yeah.

We'll see

how big it is, right?

I mean, over the next few days.

But the fact that he got fired without any even investigation or suspension is big.

You'll probably talk about this on Pat Gray Unleashed today.

Which is coming up in a while.

I'm going to be talking a little bit about

TV tonight, hosting for Glenn.

Okay.

What time does that happen?

5 p.m.

Eastern.

Okay.

We'll see you tomorrow then.

Well, and Glenn will see you tomorrow, hopefully, on his

most of this show.

You know, so.

Glenn, back.