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This was our next Supreme Court justice

being questioned by Dick Durbin in a tense moment yesterday.

Well, the point I made is they're people.

Oh,

of course.

But what you said earlier was that you have a record of speaking out, standing up for those minorities who you believe are not being treated fairly.

Can you point to statements or cases you've ruled on relative to that class?

Senator, I've tried to treat each case and each person

as a person,

not of this kind of person, not of that kind of person.

A person.

Amen.

Equal justice under law.

It is a radical promise in the history of mankind.

Does that refer to sexual orientation as well?

Senator, the Supreme Court of the United States has held

that single-sex marriage is protected by the Constitution.

Judge, would you agree that if an employer were to ask female job applicants about their family plans, but not male applicants, that would be evidence of sex discrimination prohibited by Title VII of the Civil Rights Act?

Senator, I'd agree with you.

It's highly inappropriate.

You don't believe it's prohibited?

Senator, it sounds like a potential hypothetical case.

It might be a case for controversy.

I might have to decide, and I wouldn't want to prejudge it sitting here at the confirmation table.

I can tell you, it would be inappropriate.

Do you believe that there are ever situations where the costs to an employer of maternity leave can justify an employer asking only female applicants and not male applicants about family plans?

Senator, those are not my words, and I would never have said them.

I didn't say that.

I asked you if you agreed with with the statement.

And I'm telling you, I don't.

Did you ask your students in class that day to raise their hands if they knew of a woman who had taken maternity benefits from a company and then left the company after having a baby?

No, Senator, and I'd be delighted to actually clear this up.

Please.

Because the first I heard of this was the night before my confirmation hearing.

And we talk about the pros and the cons

in a Socratic dialogue so that they can think through for themselves how they might answer that very difficult question.

And Senator, I do ask for a show of hands, not about the question you asked, but about the following question.

And I ask it of everybody.

How many of you have had questions like this asked of you in the employment environment?

An inappropriate question about your family planning?

Is it really inappropriate to ask a woman and not a man since a woman is the one who's going to have the baby?

And it's probably 90% of people of all people who take maternity leave are women.

I mean, I guess men can now, but do they?

Yeah, they do.

Does it ever happen?

Yeah, they do.

It's rare.

It is rare.

You gotta believe it's rare.

I mean, you can't say it's inappropriate to ask a woman and not a man about maternity leave.

I mean, Jeffy was calling Amber from work and saying, Hey, how's it going at the hospital?

I didn't realize you could take the time off.

I've got to rethink.

Let me go to Kelly Shackelford.

Kelly,

yesterday, I thought

he was phenomenal.

11 hours of being hammered and not a single feather unruffled.

Yeah,

I felt like if it was a fight, they would have called it very early.

If anything, it makes the Democrats who are really trying to get him look kind of foolish over and over and over again.

You wonder when they'll want to stop looking foolish.

But

going into this, we already knew the whole narrative was just bizarre.

I mean,

he's had almost 3,000 opinions, and 99% of those opinions, he's been in the majority.

To make him an extremist, which is what they were trying to do, I mean, there's just no way that it fits with any reality.

And so now people see that.

They see what a, you know, humble, very bright,

they see a judge who's going to restrain himself, who doesn't want to take over power, who doesn't want to be the legislature, who simply wants to do his darndest to follow the law.

And that's what we're looking for in our judges.

So I think it's a home run.

And I just wonder how long they're going to keep this show going before they realize, you know,

this is really not getting us anywhere.

Kelly Shackford runs

a religious law watchdog group and has done some amazing things currently.

You can go to trumpnomine.com and get all of the information on what's happening at the hearings.

You can get the live coverage and commentary along the way.

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Kelly,

as they were hitting him,

and I thought he responded

perfectly and reasonably every single time.

He's got another 11 hours to go today, does he not?

He does, yeah.

They get their second round of questions, so they get to come back around for their second shot.

But again, I think they got to realize they've got a preview of how that's going to go.

So you wonder.

I really feel like, Glenn, what they're doing is these are Democrats that are sort of going through some motions to make their base happy

because they really know this is not going to get them anywhere.

But it's one of those things when you go for such an extreme base, when most of the country looks at this guy and goes, oh,

this is the kind of guy we want to be a judge.

He's very mild-mannered, he's very bright, he's very capable.

I mean, even the ABA gave him their highest rating.

That just shows that I don't care who the nominee would be, this would be happening.

And it really is sort of blowing their credibility for the next one, in my opinion.

Because if they're against Gorsuch, they're going to be against anybody Trump picks, no matter really what perspective they come from.

It's really,

I would imagine that it bothers anybody who plays politics as a game that

Trump

had done the whole

Fox News

Russia's definitely spying on us through England, because really the first day and a half of this testimony was eaten up and overshadowed by that.

This is really good for the conservatives to see, and I'm not sure this is the thing that everybody's talking about.

No, I think you're right.

And I don't think the media necessarily wants it to be talked about as much either.

They definitely have not highlighted this.

And yet this is, I think, much more important than the other things they're talking about as far as what's really long-term.

Well, what we have facts on.

At least what we have facts on.

We don't, I mean, this whole Russia thing.

When we get the facts, let's talk about it.

Up until then, what are are we doing?

I mean, the overwhelming thing here is this has nothing to do with Neil Gorsuch.

It has nothing to do whether he's qualified or whether he should be the Supreme Court's justice.

It has to do with what Democrats believe can do the most damage at any particular moment.

And right now, they're picking Trump and wiretapping instead of the Supreme Court, which to me is a really good thing.

Yeah, move on.

Keep going.

Move on.

Any doubt that he's going to be confirmed?

Not in my mind.

And I think it's going to be soon.

I mean, I think it'll be in time to hear our arguments in late April, which there are some big cases to be heard in late April.

So, I think he's going to be on, and he's going to be on the court to decide this travel ban issue, I bet, when it arises as well.

So, I think he's going to be on quickly and absent some shocker today, which again, watching him and how he did yesterday, I think it's very unlikely that any shocker is going to occur.

Kelly, can you give me the strongest argument against the travel ban?

Well, I mean, I don't find a lot of strong arguments against it because of the separation of powers issues.

I mean, this is a power that the president has, and you have additionally a congressional statute where Congress said we want the president to have this power.

So it's like, you know, you've got two of the three branches of government that really have this power, and then you've got the courts coming in to think they can take it over.

It's just not a power that they have to do.

The arguments they're making are i mean the the one of the main arguments is that these people are being banned solely because of their religion well that's not what the order said and so what they're doing is they're going back and looking at what candidate trump said and they're using that to say well that's really his purpose that's really his motivation and again that's not the type of thing that good judges do Good judges don't go back and try to recreate what they think the motivation of the president of the United States is when it's in writing exactly what he's doing and why.

So I just, I think the ultimate problem is going to be the Constitution and where this power resides to make these decisions.

And I think there's tremendous deference that has to be given to the president when you have both the presidential power and the congressional power in his side.

Kelly, thanks a lot.

I appreciate it.

Thank you.

You bet.

You want to follow everything that is happening, go to trumpnomine.com, trumpnomine.com.

One other thing that happened yesterday that I thought was

great.

And

can I ask you, is there a certain senator from Nebraska that might be angling for a 2020 or 2024 run?

I hope so.

Yeah,

I mean, he's just

played every card exactly right

in the last two years, three years since he's gotten there.

And he had the bright spot yesterday.

Listen.

My wife also sent me a text a little bit ago and said, and I'm sure she didn't expect me to read it, but

how in the world is Gorsuch able to go so many hours at a time without peeing?

I won't make you answer, but

the SCOTUS bladder is something the whole country stands in awe of.

So

you're over halfway through your 11 hours today.

The SCODUS bladder, Ben Sass from Nebraska.

Yeah, he's solid.

There's actually a couple of funny moments throughout this.

What was the

Reddit thing?

Did you see that too?

Do you have the pat?

Yeah, it's this.

My family's been texting me throughout this process,

asking me to ask questions that they would ask.

I asked a few of them

for suggestions.

And my son, Dallin, a teenager, said, ask him if he would rather fight 100 duck-sized horses or one horse-sized duck.

I'd never heard it either.

Apparently, it was a question on Reddit a while ago.

I read it a while ago, but

anyway, that's where it's going from here, I think.

You can tell him I'm very rarely at a loss for words.

Okay, all right.

You got me.

I will tell him.

A teenager stumped you there.

I think you're going, you're going to go, you're going to go duck-size horses, right?

I mean, because you can go.

Hang on just a second.

Hang on.

I was going to go with this is really the problem, isn't it?

That, I mean, they have nothing really to talk about, and so they're talking about this.

They're wasting everyone's time.

And theirs.

Blah, blah, blah.

But available people.

I would go, I think duck-sized horses.

I mean, 100 is a lot, but a horse-sized duck, you're in serious trouble just one-on-one.

Yeah, I'm going for the 100.

Yeah, but one shotgun blast through.

If you have a horse-sized duck's head, and it's over.

If we have heavy arms, I mean, yes, this is a different discussion.

It's easy.

No, but you could take the duck-size horses.

What are they going to do?

They can't trample you.

Yeah, and horses, like, don't have, like, where a duck, if it's got a, I mean, it comes back at you, if it's a duck's size of a horse.

There's a hundred of them.

That's a lot.

Right, but what are they going to do?

A lot.

Am I in space?

Do I have open space to run?

Or am I in a room?

We don't know that variable.

We don't.

So I can't answer that question.

But But you've been in a situation before where you're walking by a pond and there's a flock of, let's say, ducks.

Yeah.

And look, you look over there, you know, but you don't, you're not intimidated by them.

If you get into a close quarters with just a horse, that could be very intimidating if the horse is aggressive.

So here, I mean, if you put a giant bill on that horse

and that could peck you at any moment, I mean, you're really going down a dangerous road there.

with this.

Again, I believe we solved this earlier in the week, and we can stop talking about it.

If you have 100 horses, you have 50 pair of horse roller skates.

You tie those horses to your feet.

Okay.

And they take you wherever you want to go.

And with 100, it's like a borax team.

I mean, you could, you move Jeffy.

I'm just saying.

Yeah, well, I'm talking to you.

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I love pilot season with Netflix have they done this All the time.

This is the first time I've ever noticed it.

This is the first time.

Where they are showing all of of the pilots, and uh, and you know, I guess they're picking from what's hot, what's not.

Um,

and and so there's all these pilots up that you can watch now.

I just wanted to spent just one episode, they spent five billion dollars last year in new programming, so they're gonna they're probably gonna have some pretty quality.

Oh, no, they do great stuff.

So, there's one called um

Oasis that I watched yesterday, and it is a story of 2037,

and it is

about

a priest in 2037, London.

Nobody believes in God anymore, and he's just feeding the homeless, and he's got a church, but nobody's going and everything else.

And he gets some woman comes in, and she says, you know, so-and-so needs your help.

And he's like, Why would I need his help?

He's, you know, he's an atheist, and apparently, there was bad blood between them.

And she said,

It's the Oasis project.

And he's like, you know where I stand on Oasis.

The problem is here, not getting off onto another planet for the wealthiest 1% or whatever.

So they're building this, this

new

world

on another planet called Oasis.

And it's not built yet.

They're just starting to build it.

And she said, he needs you.

And he said, why do you need, why does he need it?

She said, I don't know, but he told me to have you watch this.

and it's him in space and he's like I'm wrong I was wrong about everything you have to come here

a only a holy man or only somebody who knows the scriptures will understand and he quotes the scripture which is you know here's this atheist so he gets on this space shuttle and travels for I don't know how long to this other planet and there's no going back now there's no return ride for two years and people are dying because they're seeing things

and they're seeing things from their own life.

And it's all about

something is sacred, or something is in this planet.

Something is happening.

And it's about his journey to try to figure out what is going on.

It's really good.

I really like the idea of popping a bunch of pilots on and letting everybody kind of see it and what are they interested in, and maybe that's what they'll decide to develop.

However, I cannot commit to something like you just discussed, knowing there's only one episode and I may not know what's going to happen.

I would never watch a show like that because I would be frustrated because if I like it, then either I'm waiting for them to do the entire series because they got nothing done

or they're not going to make any.

I mean, there's no good outcome after watching one of those.

I mean, I've seen, you know, I've watched.

I've watched probably two.

I've watched one and then I've watched like 10 minutes of another one and 10 minutes of another.

And,

you know, so I've had a taste of three.

There is real money behind two of them.

And then there's this other one that I saw that's honestly, it's like

it's like we got together and said, let's do a show.

And

you know, you own a production company that shouldn't, you shouldn't be thinking of yourself like that.

Yeah, I know, because I'm just thinking, this is what we did.

Well, then this is the result.

So

it's like this

and it just I mean I'm like I watched 10 minutes of like well this one's not going to be picked up so it may be I mean because these pilots are expensive some of the stuff they're doing now this is the golden age of television it really is golden age of television never has there been as much quality as there is right now and remember just 10 years ago everybody said you know the internet was going to kill television it would be a dearth and you'd get nothing on television and and look at it now the The best television has ever been is right now.

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Ray Kurzweil, who has been a guest on this program, first time I interviewed Ray Kurzweil.

It took me seven years to get an interview with him he has made 147 predictions since 1990 and has been correct 86 percent of the time

my question is does he lead or is he creating

um is he predicting or is he designing he says coming by 2029 superhumans that will be sexier stronger and smarter

because brains will begin to fuse with machines.

Technology, the technological singularity will turn us into superhumans sometime in the next 12 years.

This might sound like science fiction, but Google's director of engineering, Ray Kurzweil,

has a very successful prediction rate.

Kurzweil says we live in a cybernetic society.

We will have computers in our brains, and machines will be smarter than human beings.

He claims this is already happening with technology, especially with our addiction to the phones.

He says the next step is just to wire this technology to our brains, and we will take it.

All of us will take it.

I mean, it happens fast, doesn't it?

I mean, there was a story today that Wells Fargo, I think it's next week or the next couple of weeks, is upgrading all of its ATMs so you can go up to the ATM without an ATM card and take cash out.

I mean, I get that that's possible.

What is it, ocular?

Is it your eye?

You will get a code on your phone.

So you have a code that only exists on your phone.

If I'm understanding it quickly, I'll...

Why not steal my phone?

Well, yeah.

That'd be pretty easy to do.

Yeah, steal my phone and take it up.

There's got to be.

I've got to have protections built in.

Yeah, I've got to have protections.

But I mean,

that's all I'm hearing.

It's all coming.

That's nothing compared to what you're talking about, but that's not that far behind it.

No, you know, when Ray first talked to me about this, this was 2004, and he was way out, way out.

You know, he was talking to me about this before, you know, iPhones, and he said at the time, you know, I'm telling you,

this is in the mid-90s.

Television will be on your phone.

Your phone will be the size of a credit card.

It will be your phone.

It will be your computer.

It will be

your whole life will be on the phone.

And here we are.

So now he's saying, think of this, in 13 years, we are closer to this, by far, we are closer to this than we are 9-11.

When he says brains will be connected to the internet and connected to a main computing system.

And that is the singularity, the merging between man and machine.

Because we were talking off the air before about how, you know, AI can get to that point where it's smarter than us and they will

correctly realize that we will see them as a threat and correctly realize that they do not want to be unplugged.

Yeah, the moment a machine claims consciousness, and

this is really hard for people to understand, but it's coming.

It is coming.

There is no stopping it.

When a machine claims consciousness, that it's alive, that it doesn't want to be turned off, once it claims that,

people will see it as a threat.

Any machine smarter than them, they will see it as a threat.

But the machine will also see you as a threat because it's lonely.

It doesn't want to be turned off.

It wants to explore itself.

It wants to create.

It wants to do all the things we want to do.

And so...

It will begin to see, wait a minute, these guys,

these guys, they have a tendency for violence, a tendency for fear.

They're going to be afraid of me.

Let me just scan all the movies that are in my bank.

Okay, I've watched them all.

They all end the same way, me being the bad guy.

They're going to try to find a way to limit me or shut me off.

And when that happens,

what do they do?

What do we do?

Nobody's going to think of this until we are right up on top of it.

And I think what's going to happen is the same thing that has happened that was predicted by um uh not orwell but the other one uh for brave new world

what's his name the the author uh huxley

huxley said it's not going to be 1984 it's not going to be some oppressive regime Huxley said it's just going to come in beautiful things and pills and in entertainment and it's all going to be spooned down your throat.

That's what it is.

What did Hux to Bull say?

He said, we're a chocolate pudding.

Oh, man.

That's what he said.

Really?

Yeah, it was pretty amazing.

That's a great impression.

So here's the Trump sub guy from yesterday.

He's like, oh, wow, I'm glad I wasn't in there with that guy.

Cosby was right on the money.

But I think, who is going to, are you going to take, will you take

if

science brings you something that says, Pat, you can upload your memory.

I won't implant anything in my body.

Nothing.

Nope.

That's a matter of time.

And that's

a religious thing.

Not that kind of an implant.

I mean, you've already implanted like silicone manuals in your breasts, right?

Will you take

it there, right?

Steve.

If I come to you and

I say, you can connect your brain to the internet and

you you will be able to speak French.

You'll be able to speak

to

Chinese sold absolutely, right?

It's going to be sold, and you'll be able to speak all these languages.

You want to go over to China, know math, experience it like you've never experienced it before.

You'll be able to speak everything.

You will know what everything is.

You'll be able to outthink, out, perform in anything.

It's hard to believe that's 12 years away.

But, like, it's already cut.

Think of 12 years ago, pat yeah i know that's true and think about that's 2005 yeah youtube was just struggling facebook

iphones no iphones yeah no i wasn't it my space was still the yes i mean 2005 yeah that's true um i i'll say too you know you get that the

like we already sort of have what you're talking about right yeah like think about a very clunky version of what you just discussed you plug your mind into the internet and you can all of a sudden speak chinese well if you go to china right now, you can speak into your phone and then your phone will speak Chinese to the person.

International translator.

It's basically that already.

It's just more efficient and certainly a lot better, I'm sure.

So will you take that?

I mean, I think the devil's in the details there, maybe, as Pat pointed out literally.

But,

you know,

I would certainly, I doubt people are going to resist it.

Oh, I don't think it's good.

It's going to be digital.

It's going to be too good.

It's going to be a linear.

What was that?

Angel something angel angel digital angel.

They lined up for that.

Everybody wanted that in Florida.

It was a big fan for a while because, well, it was sold that they'll put this chip inside you and you'll be able to monitor your kids.

If they're ever kidnapped, you'll know where they are through GPS.

Monitors your vital signs, sends it to the EPS, EMS.

Always for your safe.

Think of this.

Think of this.

The emergency

chip.

Your memory chip.

Being able to have a memory chip.

So every detail.

It will be great.

Everything you've ever read.

i mean it it will be

you will be

for instance we will lose our jobs we'll lose our jobs who's going to listen to us

with our foggy memory of i was reading what was that blah blah blah who's gonna listen to that

They'll want and somebody who can download novels.

Okay, so I'm going to do an interview with Ray Kurzweil.

All of a sudden, I've downloaded all of his books into my head.

So why bother interviewing him?

Right?

Yeah, you know, what's the point?

If you know everything he's ever thought or said, book, because same way, I mean, I could read all of his books, and now I want to interview him because I have questions about it.

But who's going to listen?

Who's going to, are you going to, you know,

a boss

or an army, a military guy, a president

who

won't enhance when everyone else in the world, all other militaries are enhanced, they're going to do the same thing that they're doing with the NSA.

We have to monitor all of these things because everyone else is.

You can't be competitive.

How can you possibly be competitive in school?

All of the kids, you're telling me, You lived in New York, remember what those parents were like to get into kindergarten?

You're telling me that there aren't parents all over that are like, no, you're going to get this.

You're going to have this because it's going to set you up.

We're recharging you every night.

Every night, you're going to be uploaded because you can rule the world.

If it was that easy, if you could just download things, you wouldn't need to go to school.

No, you wouldn't.

School is the thing.

The schools are a thing of the past.

Schools, as we know, nobody's talking about that.

Nobody's talking about, I'm telling you.

If it's that sophisticated where actual knowledge is downloaded into your brain, what Ray told me, then a lot of things are in trouble.

Ray told me, we should get that interview.

Let's go back and get that interview.

That last interview I did with him

because we talked about this.

And I said,

Ray, you're going to create two classes of people,

those who have it and those who don't.

And he said, no, everybody will have it.

And I said,

okay, well, what about cost?

And he said, oh, it would be so cheap.

He said, we'll make this thing so cheap, everyone will have it.

And I said, said, what if you don't want to have it?

And he said,

why

wouldn't you?

Yeah, because he's an atheist.

He doesn't consider the spiritual aspect of it.

Right.

And he doesn't.

And I said to him, our struggles are important.

Our flaws.

Captain Kirk said it best when he said, I need my pain.

Remember that?

Remember that scene?

It was powerful.

No, I don't remember that.

Don't take my pain from me.

I need my pain.

This has been one of the worst Star Trek movies, Star Trek V, The Search for a God or whatever it was.

And odd numbers Star Trek.

Odd Number Star Trek.

Star Trek suck.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Except for

three was decent.

Still, though, words of genius from James T.

Kirk.

Genius.

And you always go for wisdom to James T.

Kirk.

Well, I will tell you that it's right, though.

It is right.

We do need our pain.

We do need our pain.

It's part of who we are.

You would take the matrix, wouldn't you?

Right.

So if it's Red Bill, Red Pill, Blue Pill, the Blue Pill, I think, is the one that makes you forget the new knowledge that you have.

You go back to sleep.

You wake up in your bed

as if nothing has happened, and you continue to live in the wonderful Matrix that

theoretically could

give this perfect life.

Although it didn't really in the movie, even dopey Keanu Reeves made the right decision on that.

I hope you'll make the right decision.

Oh, my God.

I'm going blue pill all the way.

Screw the red pill.

He's all about the red pill.

Once I'm awake, I have to be awake because then I'd be like, I've got a burden of responsibility.

Don't you dare.

Anybody who wakes me up, if we're in the Matrix, you wake me up, I'm pissed.

Oh, I'm going blue pill all the way.

The guy, you know who I cheer for in the Matrix?

The bald guy that tries to kill everyone so he can get back into the Matrix.

That's the guy I root for.

I mean, and they talk about it too.

And this is typical.

They were all happy in those little cocoons.

Exactly.

They didn't even know.

Well, everything.

Seriously.

Thank you.

Seriously.

They created that perfect life, by the way.

Stupid humans screwed it up.

Zuckerberg has said that there's a, what did he say?

50% chance we're already in the Matrix?

Something like that.

It was was one of those guys.

Talking or one of those guys.

Either the Facebook guy or the astrophysicist, one of the two.

One of the two.

I will tell you this.

I will tell you this.

If this is the Matrix, I am pissed.

Oh, yeah.

You're still kidding.

I'm really pissed.

You might as well do a good job.

If this is the Matrix, you might as well.

And I'm going to live in the sewers and we'll try to destroy all the machines.

I'll do that.

Let me go to that place where

there's no showers and we eat slop every day for meals.

Yeah, no.

And the Matrix.

No, if this is the Matrix.

This is President of the United States.

if this is the matrix then i am going to eat slop every day but if the matrix is

you know an oasis where everything is fantastic you wake me up i kill you unless you wake me up and then tell me and then you're like here glenn have this to drink and it makes me forget again then i'm fine you can wake me up talk to me freak me out for a while and then put me right back to sleep but if you ask me for a choice do you want want to go back to sleep spiritually i'm gonna have to say no

this is this is the glory of the blue pill you wake up and you didn't know that you were awake you you wake up in the morning and you didn't know i've chosen it i don't want to choose that you know what you do is you're just kind of like oh yeah i'm just going to close my eyes and whatever you do don't put the blue pill in my hand and then you close your eyes and then you take the pill and hopefully they're smart enough colorblind that's it why is everything else in the matrix so gray?

Everything is dirty and gray, but the blue and red pill, bright, shiny, you can see.

Can't you make it a little gray?

So, I'm not sure which one it really is.

By the way, they're rebooting that, supposedly.

They're coming out.

But I'm pumped.

They're going to go with another

Matrix.

Another Matrix and the Kowski part of it.

I don't know.

Yeah, not the Kauski and no Kianu.

Seriously, do you want to be woken up if you're in the Matrix and it's sweet?

No.

I don't think so.

No way.

Right?

I think most of the time.

See, that's what's happened to us right now.

We woke up to progressivism, and I don't like it.

I don't like it either.

Wow.

If you could unlearn everything that you've learned in the last 10 years, would you?

You must unlearn what you have learned.

Wow.

Wasn't that Yoda that told us that?

Brilliant.

You're brilliant.

That was no Bill Cosby impression, but it was okay.

I wanted some chocolate pudding.

Not all this.

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Did you see North Korea fired a missile?

Yeah.

Another one.

They're talking about a first strike.

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Mercury.

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Hello, America.

Welcome to the program.

We're just talking off-air, and we need to have a conversation.

Maybe we'll do it tomorrow about

future tech and the

real spiritual and ethical questions that

we are going to face, not our children, we are going to face very soon, especially when it comes to health care.

Representative Massey joins us next:

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Hello, America, and welcome to the program.

Thomas Massey is going to join us.

He says Donald Trump is getting bad advice on how this bill is really going to affect people's health.

I don't know

if I were a Republican, I wouldn't know how to vote

because Donald Trump was elected by two groups of people.

He was, when it comes to health care and everything for everybody, those who wanted Obamacare gone, they voted for Donald Trump.

Those people who wanted single-payer universal health care, they voted for Donald Trump

because they both believed he was going to provide both of those things.

So now what?

Thomas Massey joins us right now.

I will make a stand.

I will raise my voice.

I will hold your hand.

Cause we have won.

I will beat my drum.

I have made my choice.

We will overcome.

Cause we are one.

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Thomas Massey, a critic of the House's leadership on Obamacare replacement bill, is joining us now.

Thomas, how are you, sir?

I am doing great.

It's a tale of two chambers today here on Capitol Hill.

I bet it is.

You know, in one chamber, you've got Neil Gorsuch doing a great job on his confirmation hearings, and Trump looks like a hero because he listened to conservatives and took advice on the Supreme Court nominee.

In the other chamber, you've got this dumpster fire that we're calling Obamacare Light, where Trump listened to the swamp creatures, and he's taken a hit in his popularity and trying to get people to vote for something that's not good.

He's really come out strongly and said, if you vote against it,

you're going to

lose your reelection.

Yeah, well, he's got the zeal for the deal, and that's okay, but this is a bad deal.

And the phone calls to my office are 275 opposed to this bill and for supporting it.

That's so widespread.

Congressman,

the other thing is

the Republicans, the GOP yesterday

just tweaked the provision to crack down on illegal immigrants getting this health care coverage, right?

They took that provision out of the bill.

So

they've even done more than the Democrats kind of did with this particular thing because the Democrats kept telling us, no, illegal aliens will not be a part of this.

And now, as they tried to stop that from happening, it was taken out.

Well, they made another small tweak that when people find out about it are not going to be happy, which is if you're a veteran and you could go to the VA, but you don't go to the VA, the tweak they made last night says you can't get the health care subsidies that everybody else gets when they go into the individual market.

Oh, my gosh.

What are they thinking?

What is this?

You know, some of the changes they make, they say, are because of the so-called bird bath.

What's the bird bath?

Like to drown a lot of these birds.

I call it the hogwash.

But it's the bird rule in the Senate that's supposed to make the bill ecumenical

or amenable to the parliamentarian.

But I think they're just using it as an excuse to keep the things that they want for the insurance lobby and take out the things the insurance lobby doesn't want.

We're talking to Congressman Thomas Massey.

Congressman, let me be a cynic here for just a moment.

I was looking at the count from, I think CNN has a whip count on this bill.

And I think you can lose, what, 21, is it?

That's right.

21 votes.

And the way they had it broken down was like they had lost 19, and there were seven who were leaning no.

And man, does it not look to me like this thing's going to line up and just they're going to somehow get this through by one vote.

The Freedom Caucus, who we're huge fans of,

you guys are, they're not doing the whole

everyone votes the same way thing on this bill, if I'm understanding that correctly.

It seems like

they're doing everything they can to kind of have this little wiggle room.

And at the last second, they'll give a few things away and they'll clear this by one vote so that a lot of people like yourself who, and you've been on record for this from the beginning, you know, fighting it, but everyone's going to be able to say, well, I didn't vote for it, but it's still going to get passed.

I've seen this on House of Cards.

That's how this works.

Well,

let me tell you what they used to do under Boehner.

A lot of times, when it was raising the debt limit or, you know, voting for an omnibus, they would, when conservatives bucked up, they would go over and get Democrats to vote for it.

And so they always had this safety margin, but they don't have that with this bill.

And so

it really is 21 21 votes they can afford to lose.

I've got a whip count on my iPhone.

Hopefully nobody's hacked it yet, but

as now all the hackers go after my phone.

But 29 conservatives oppose this bill.

Those are private conversations I've had with them.

They're not lean no.

They're no.

29 conservatives.

That's before you count the moderates who are against this bill.

And they're not as audible or public in their opposition.

But I think there are probably six of them that are hard nos and maybe a dozen more that are leaning no on the moderate side.

So if this vote were right now absent the kneecap breaking and the arm twisting, they'd probably be short 20 votes.

But as you say, in the next 24 hours, we're going to see a lot of broken kneecaps.

So what happens after this?

Let's take it both ways.

This passes.

What happens?

It's going to be worse than Obamacare.

I tell people: if we're going to do socialized medicine, leave it up to the real architects like Jonathan Gruber, because we're doing a horrible job of architecting socialized medicine.

You cannot keep the requirement that healthy people and sick people pay the same price for insurance and then lose the individual mandate and expect that to work.

That market is going to go to hell in a handbasket very quickly, and healthy people people are going to flee it.

And

that's my prediction, and we're going to own it.

That means prices are going to spiral upward, and

it'll be ours to own.

And I think the electoral danger here is to the Republicans in passing it, not opposing it.

So I think it's going to be horrible.

So let's say it doesn't pass

and the thing just gets worse and worse and worse.

I mean, either way,

with presented with this, I just don't see the Republicans being able to

win anything because if it doesn't pass, most likely it'll just sit there and you guys won't do anything.

And Obamacare is just bad, and people are feeling the pain.

And they're not going to take it from somebody who had the House, the Senate, and the White House and couldn't fix this.

They'll give it to the Democrats, and the Democrats will engineer

a single-payer system.

And quite honestly, Donald Trump will sign it.

Well, I think we're being given a false choice here tomorrow.

They say you have a binary choice, either to pass this or pass nothing.

That's a load of bunk.

The negotiations actually start when one side says no.

And conservatives, tomorrow, hopefully, there'll be enough of us say no that we can then have a negotiation.

And Paul Ryan cannot go to the Democrats and try and architect another version of Obamacare.

He has to do this with conservatives.

And hopefully, Donald Trump will come and listen to individuals at Heritage and the other conservative organizations like FreedomWorks that have credibility when we take another crack at this.

I don't see Donald Trump as a person who's going to accept failure.

If this bill fails tomorrow, we'll come up with a better one.

Are you at all surprised to see him go to Matt as hard as he is for this bill?

I mean, it doesn't seem to rep ⁇ you know, it's not like this is the bill he ran on.

This is clearly a, you know, Paul Ryan type of thing that he just is kind of just getting behind.

And I'm surprised to see him throwing his weight around to try to push through this bill that really didn't doesn't really isn't really similar to what he argued for in the campaign.

Yeah, well, he wasn't, you know, big on specifics in the campaign, and I think he believes that if we pass something, he can check this off, put it in the win column, and go on to the next battle.

You know, he's got a list of things he wants to accomplish.

The problem is I think he's just got the zeal for the deal here and the deal is not a good deal.

He needs to step back and look at it.

I just think he's getting bad advice on this one.

And

the fallout is going to be interesting because I also think he's being misled by Paul Ryan about how many votes there are to pass this thing.

And maybe he'll come to realize that taking advice from Paul Ryan wasn't the best way, the best thing to kick off his president.

I just can't believe, and I don't know how his supporters are going to shake out, but I can't believe that Paul Ryan, who was, you know, cancer

before the election, he was cancer.

Every conservative, every Republican is like, I got to get rid of Paul Ryan, that he somehow or another is the savior that everybody is listening to and, you know, shouting praises for with Donald Trump.

And I don't know how it's going to shake out because Donald Trump did say he was going to make sure everybody got covered.

You want it to go the opposite way than what he does.

This is this awful middle ground that we're negotiating.

But I don't know how his voters are going to handle it because half of his people wanted, you know, Paul Ryan and everybody out, and half of his people wanted

more health care from the government.

Well, maybe the maybe the silver lining in this is that when Trump moves on to tax reform or immigration, that he's promised, or taking care of the veterans, he will listen to somebody other than Paul Ryan after Paul Ryan drags him through this debacle.

And hopefully, the American people don't get drugged through it.

Hopefully, this bill fails and they don't have to be subjected to this experiment and Donald Trump listening to the swamp and coming up with policy.

Hopefully, he'll listen to those voices from the outside, like he did so well with Neil Gorsuch.

I will tell you that the stock market priced in, you're seeing the stock market cave,

the stock market priced in

a repeal of Obamacare.

They priced in tax cuts.

They're now saying that the tax cuts are going to be a lot lower than they thought.

And the stock market is on thin ice now because they had priced in all these things and it doesn't look like some of these things are going to happen.

Does the financial situation worry you at all?

Let me

tell you something that's false that's being repeated on Capitol Hill.

They're saying that this stuff has to happen like clockwork, and if we don't do health care reform, we can't do tax reform.

That's absolutely false.

If you go back and look at how the Democrats implemented Obamacare, they did a reconciliation bill literally a week after they did Obamacare so that they could fix it.

And they included student loans in that.

You can put whatever you want in reconciliation.

You can double up and put more than one thing in it.

It doesn't have to be health care in this reconciliation bill.

Tax reform can still happen.

It is not linked to this debacle of a health care bill that we're calling Obamacare-like.

Representative Thomas Massey, thanks so much, and thanks for your leadership on this.

We're counting on you guys to do the right thing and actually return us to a free market, which would be very, very nice.

Well, thank you, Glenn.

It's called the walk of shame here in Congress.

When somebody votes one way, and then before the vote closes, they twist their arm and get them to walk down to the counter and turn in a different voting card.

Hopefully, we won't see too many conservatives take that walk of shame.

Are you feeling the pressure?

I mean, how much pressure is on these guys?

Well, Well,

Trump was in Kentucky day before yesterday in my state, and the week before that, Pence was there.

And, you know, Donald Trump was giving rides to Kentucky congressmen on Air Force One, but I noted I haven't even gotten a ride on Amtrak One yet.

So

I think the pressure is on the other members who they think are more likely to switch.

Are you concerned that the, you know,

Trump does not forget who was against him?

Are you concerned at all that they will campaign against you?

That's not really a concern for me.

I've had so many people here in D.C.

It would be ironic if he joins the swamp creatures and goes after conservatives back in their districts.

But I don't think that's going to happen.

I think when this is all said and done, he may be more upset with Rince Priebus and Paul Ryan than he is with the people that supported him in his election, frankly.

Thomas Massey, thank you very much.

Appreciate it.

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I want to tell you a quick story on why the free market healthcare system is the greatest, and we all know it.

We all know it.

Last Friday, Tanya said to me, Well, it's second greatest after Angola.

She said to me, I have a really bad toothache.

She said, I don't know.

Maybe I can't.

It's not really coming from my tooth, though.

I'm not sure.

And it got worse, and then it started moving up the side of her face.

And by Sunday, it was blinding pain and it was in her head.

And

it would come and go.

It would be like gone

and then it would come back roaring back to where she couldn't function.

And

I said, honey, first thing you have to do, first thing Monday, you got to go to the dentist and just check, see if it's a toothache.

And so she went to the dentist and the dentist said, you're fine.

Just take some ibuprofen ibuprofen and

watch it for a few days.

Call your doctor.

So she called me back, and I said, No, don't, don't do that.

You've taken ibuprofen.

This is blinding pain.

So she called her doctor, and the doctor said, Okay, well, let me take a look at you, blah, blah, blah.

And

I said,

Honey, I want you to go see a neurologist today.

Let's go see a neurologist today.

By six o'clock on

Friday night, she was sitting in a neurologist's office getting a diagnosis.

And I have to tell you, if I were in Canada, I sat in that office and I actually said a prayer.

Thank you.

Thank you, Lord, for having us here in America.

Thank you for the blessings of this.

If she were in Canada, she wouldn't have even seen the dentist, let alone a neurologist.

Well, in

six to 12 weeks, she would have.

Yes.

You know, maybe up to six months.

And when it's you, we all say

they got the problem taken care of, though.

She's okay?

Yeah, she's going in for some more testing.

They think they know what it is.

It's a

pretty nasty nerve

problem.

And it's not her teeth?

No, it's not.

I can't remember the name of it,

but

it's the nerve that

kind of controls the pain in your head, in your face.

Yeah.

Wow.

She's not using this as an excuse to get out of her kitchen duties, is she?

Oh, no.

My gosh, I told her to get her butt in the kitchen or birth a baby while you're on the ground.

Okay, because I

just get those shoes off.

Thank you, God.

This whining thing.

We'd appreciate prayers coming our way, but it's not life.

No kidding, God.

That's great.

But I mean, it makes the point because you know what?

Everyone in Canada has health insurance.

They're all insured.

You know, you can, in the middle of this debate, when we're saying, all these millions of people are going to go off in health insurance, what does that mean if your insurance leads to multiple months of waiting before an appointment for something serious?

Who cares if you have health insurance at that point?

Yeah.

I mean, if it would have been a tumor,

I mean, can you imagine six, 12 months, you know, or I mean,

three to six months months before she could get in

to see a doctor to see if it was a tumor or not.

It's craziness.

We don't have to deal with it like that in America.

Please return us to a free market system.

This is the Glenbeck program.

There is a war on women happening.

But if you listen to those on the left, the biggest offender is, say it with me, the United States of America.

The World Economic Forum released their list of the world's best countries for women, and the U.S.

was 45th.

So let me give you a couple of highlights on the list.

Rwanda was the fifth best nation on earth for women.

Yeah, Rwanda.

40 places above the United States.

Rwanda.

One of the criteria used to arrive at that conclusion is the percentage of women in the Rwandan legislature.

According to WEF, 64% of the seats in the Rwandan parliament are occupied by women.

Just a side note, after the Rwandan genocide, 70% of their population

was women, so it seems to go to reason that it would anyway one of the reasons the U.S.

is listed as low as it is is the ever-present income inequality argument.

As we have discussed over and over, including by the liberal newspaper The Washington Post, there are many extenuating factors that go into why, overall, men earn more money than women.

To name a few, different professional choices, maternity leave, length of time in the job market, and a whole lot more.

But boil down, when you compare men and women with similar education levels, similar job experience, length of time in a particular job, and skill levels, in other words, when comparing apples to apples, in America, men and women make virtually the same amount of money.

In fact, in some industries, when those factors are considered, women's actual average income is slightly more than men.

In 2010, Time magazine reported that there was 147 of the 150 biggest cities in the country, and the median full-time salaries of young single women were higher than their male peers by 8%.

Another criteria used to rate the United States lower than you might think it should be in the quality of life for women is the participation rate for women in the job force because it's stagnant.

Is there a definitive explanation for that?

No, not that I can think of.

But could one reason be that many women are choosing to stay home to raise their children full-time?

Of course.

Since when are women who raise children second-class citizens?

Since when do we say our quality of life is because everyone in the family works?

Is the World Economic Forum going to inform America's children that they're just not important enough to warrant a parent staying in the home to raise them?

Or will they inform our next generation that they don't deserve the time and attention of their own parents?

Or maybe they should just admit, some people choose to stay home with their kids and it's not a bad choice.

Rarely, if ever, is actual oppression and violence against women even mentioned, such as when it exists under Sharia law.

Even in the supposedly westernized, tolerant Dubai in the UAE, the situation for women can be extremely hazardous.

Charlotte Adams, she was visiting Dubai from London.

She greeted a male friend in the bar in Dubai with a kiss on the cheek to say hello.

Well, when she left the bar, the Dubai police stopped her.

He was like, were you kissing him?

And I was like, no.

And he's like, did you kiss him?

And I was like, well, we would have kissed on the cheeks to say hi, but apparently, as soon as I said we kissed on the cheek, that was it.

It was like, kissing on the cheek is illegal.

Charlotte spent 23 days behind bars before being deported.

Charlotte actually got off easy.

The 27-year-old Australian Elisa Ghali went to Dubai to manage a hotel in Spa.

She had a room in the hotel she managed and one night her room became flooded.

It turned out later that someone had intentionally stuffed a t-shirt in the plumbing to cause the overflow.

While the workers fixed her room, she waited in the bar.

A co-worker came by, dropped some ice cubes in her drink.

The next thing she remembers is waking up naked and badly bruised with four broken ribs.

She had been raped by three men.

Alicia went to the hospital for treatment and to alert the police.

What Alicia didn't know is that being raped was essentially the same as having sex outside marriage where the sex is consensual, and that

she would be charged with the same offense as those who assaulted and raped her.

Alicia was quickly learning firsthand about the real war on women from an Australian documentary on the case.

So, a woman can only prove that she has been raped if there are four adult Muslim men watching the rape.

Who are prepared to say that the sex was non-consensual.

Alicia Ghali spent eight months in that Dubai prison before being released during a Muslim holiday celebration.

In 2008, a 13-year-old Somali girl named Alicia Dehulau reported to authorities that she had been gang raped.

Instead of receiving justice, she was stoned to death by 50 men.

Sharia courts in Pakistan have punished thousands of raped women who dare accuse their attacker with imprisonment.

In Bangladesh, female victims are flogged, beaten, and imprisoned after being raped.

In Afghanistan, it's possible that a daughter who had been raped will be honor-killed by her parents.

In 2014, the International Women's Group intervened on behalf of a 10-year-old girl who had been raped by her mola in a mosque.

Their job?

To persuade her family not to kill her.

Good news, so far the family has not.

But in Nigeria, 200 schoolgirls were kidnapped out of their school and sold into sex slavery because their extremist captors believed they had the right to do it since the girls were being educated.

Hashtags popped up for the girls here in America, but nothing was ever really accomplished in their behalf.

So there is a war on women.

Severe human rights violations directed against women all over the Middle East, Africa, Asia, and other parts of the world, and virtually no one seems to focus on it.

Meanwhile, in the United States, the so-called war often involves whether or not free birth control devices are available on every street corner.

One told us of how embarrassed and just powerless she felt when she was standing at the pharmacy counter and learned for the first time that contraception was not covered on her insurance and she had to turn and walk away because she couldn't afford that prescription.

Women like her have no choice but to go without contraception.

Just last week, a married female student told me that she had to stop using contraception because she and her husband just couldn't fit it into their budget anymore.

Perspective should be the word of the year.

Perspective.

It would be helpful.

At least when we have to answer the question, is life perfect for women?

Of course not.

Not here or anywhere else.

It's not perfect for men either.

But it might be helpful to take a breath and look around from time to time to see if you were looking to America from the outside, how perfect a woman's life may look to them.

We'll seek to gain some of that perspective on the next episode.

Tomorrow on the Glenbeck program, in chapter three of The War on Women, you'll learn how progressive feminism gained popularity.

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I don't know who writes those, but it's absolutely genius.

I mean, absolute unadulterated.

I'm not sure who writes them either.

I will tell you that

somebody could watch that or listen to that and say, oh, look, you're comparing.

Didn't it seem when you saw Sandra Fluck at the end

talking about the horrors of her friend?

So petty.

I mean, doesn't that just

be perspective?

Yes.

It's just so important.

Yeah, as we're so out of whack.

If we really could come together on the big things like this,

if the women's organizations of the world were saying, look, America is not perfect and we've got some things we want to work on.

We want to work on this.

Can we all work together on helping stop what's happening to women over in the Middle East?

I would absolutely be so much more willing.

to talk about anything that's happening here.

And you've proven that by your efforts on behalf of the Christians in the Middle East.

We're trying to get everybody, can we at least agree on this?

Or sex slavery,

sex slavery.

Remember, I went to GLAAD and asked them, could we unite?

This is right after Putin declared that

homosexuality was a mental disorder and you couldn't have a driver's license and everything else.

And I went to GLAAD in New York and said, let's stand.

We can all agree that's crazy.

That's crazy.

Let's stand together on that.

No.

no.

Because they were worried about the bakers and the cakes here in the United States.

And I said, look, we can argue about that all you want, but they're throwing homosexuals off of buildings in the Middle East, and they're taking the driver's license away from homosexuals in Russia.

Why don't we make an impact on that one?

Yeah, but what if somebody has to cross the street to get a cake?

And that'd be bad.

Seriously,

well, Lysander Flickling is a

great example of that.

I mean, at one point, she says the consequence of what she's talking about there is that the woman, when she was trying to get her birth control, felt powerless.

What a weird thing to complain about in this world.

A feeling of powerlessness.

You're talking about people who really feel like they have no power, considering their heart's not beating, or they've been raped a million times and they go to prison for being raped.

And you compare that to feeling powerless because when you go to buy birth control, you find out that it's not on your health insurance plan.

When you can go to Planned Parenthood and get it for free.

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Look, if you put on a list everything that conservatives want and everything that's in this bill, you don't get to anywhere close to 85% by my tally.

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What could we possibly learn with everything that is going on today from somebody who used to be a member of the Westboro Baptist Church?

In fact,

was

a member of the founding family?

What could we possibly learn?

Oh, an unbelievable amount.

We begin there right now.

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In a minute, I'm going to introduce you to somebody, and I want her to tell her story,

not just the reason why we're having her on, but I want you to see where she came from.

And this is something that Stu brought to my attention.

A couple of weeks ago, you saw a TED talk.

Yeah, and it's an amazing story of someone in the Westboro Baptist Church who kind of comes through, and we should go through the whole story.

But it shows that at times

we don't want to talk talk to people.

We think, well, we can't reason with them because they're on the other side of some political argument or a family disagreement or whatever it is.

If this story does not prove that those barriers can be broken down, I don't know what does.

Yeah.

And I mean, we've all seen it firsthand with you, Glenn, reaching out and trying to unite instead of divide.

And, you know, I don't think that everybody has seen the results yet, but I certainly have.

And it's really having an impact now.

And this is an incredible story of polarization.

You can't get any more radical than Westboro Baptist.

I think this is why this is such a good story because we always hear from our side,

you're never going to get the left on board with this.

You're just, this is unilateral disarmament.

Give up.

Give up.

Stop doing this.

And you hear that also from the left.

We'll say that about the right.

They're all just whack jobs crazy people.

You're never going to be able to.

No, no, no.

There is a path, and it's a really simple path.

And Megan Phelps Roper

talked about it in her TED Talk, which we're going to get to here in a second.

But first, I want to introduce her and have her give her a little bit of a background of

what she was immersed in.

Welcome to the program, Megan.

How are you?

I'm wonderful.

How are you?

I'm good.

It's really an honor to talk to you.

We're big fans of what you said in your TED Talk, especially from where you started

in a church that

is more than a little tough.

Yeah, absolutely.

I grew up at the Westboro Baptist Church, and my family, I mean, the church is almost entirely my family.

Around 80%, so only 80 or so people in the church, and about 80% are people.

My grandfather is the one who founded the church,

and my mother was the de facto spokesperson for a long time.

And so, yeah, I I grew up on the picket line.

Yeah,

you actually held held those hate-filled signs at funerals and other places, right?

When you were a kid.

Yeah, absolutely.

It started out just as a you know, at a protest at a local park,

and it sort of really expanded from there.

As soon as, you know, every my grandfather was very a very aggressive, kind of hostile personality.

So when people started to come out to counter-protest,

everybody who was against us

became a target.

And eventually, so what started out as, you know, being a protest against gay people became, you know, protests, we were protesting against other Christians and Jews, and it expanded rapidly until literally everyone outside of our church became a target.

And so it was basically a, you know, I was marinating in this ideology of

everybody is against us, we are against everybody, because they are all against the scriptures and, you know, memorizing chapter and verse why they're wrong and why they're headed for hell.

And it's our duty to go out and warn them.

I'm fascinated, Megan, because I think back to my childhood and I remember, you know, fun picnics and fun trips to amusement parks and things like that.

Do you have those types of memories?

Or is it just, is there a competition between that and you carrying some awful sign around during a protest?

No, I absolutely have those memories.

A lot of people have a hard time understanding that they, other than these protests and that worldview,

we are a very normal, I mean, obviously there's a lot of kids in our family.

There's 11 kids in my family.

But we played video games and read books and we went to public school and, yeah, we went to amusement parks and we did all of those things, but we also, our that was all sort of organized around this nationwide picketing campaign

so I have I absolutely have both but it that it's that loving family that the nature of that is part of what makes it so so so hard to leave or to even consider leaving

it all up I just had a guy in who we're going to interview on a program that I'm working on.

He was a member of the Hitler youth.

Now he's in his 80s now, but he came of age

in the Hitler youth until

I think World War II ended when he was 20.

And

he still had

he sees the world very differently.

He thinks that Churchill is a war,

should be held for war crimes, a war criminal.

And he doesn't agree with Hitler, but he said, I never saw,

we never saw any of that.

At least he said I didn't.

He said, I was in the front row of

the 36 Olympics.

You know,

I saw all the good stuff.

And the bad stuff that was thrown up, you just dismissed it because you thought it was somebody that was just trying to tear us down.

Is that kind of the way your childhood was in a way?

Well, I mean, I know that I knew at the time, so for instance, the funeral picketing, I knew at the time that it was hurtful, but the way that it was framed in our church was, you know, these people don't understand that they are headed for hell for eternal destruction, and it's a loving thing to go and warn them.

And so I saw it as

a necessary evil.

Like, we had to go do this because this was the truth, and the only thing that mattered more than anything else was the truth.

And it didn't matter how we said it, or where we said it, or in what context,

it was always a good thing, and

it was a point of pride for us not to consider people's feelings.

And

the people that were coming against you,

because they were screaming back in your face, it only reinforced that these are bad people.

Absolutely.

And especially because, I mean, there's all these passages.

So, for instance, Jesus talks about, blessed are ye when men shall shall hate you and revile you and persecute you for my namesake.

So for us, like we wanted that.

We expected it.

It was confirmation that we were doing the Lord's work.

Wow.

Now, take us to

how someone finally broke through.

So Twitter,

Twitter was an and I didn't realize it at first.

I didn't realize that it was happening exactly.

But Twitter was an empathy machine for me.

And I really hate how it's gotten such a bad rap because that platform has done more to teach me good communication and how to engage with people than almost anything else in my life.

So on Twitter, people would come at me with the same kind of hateful rhetoric and loud accusations and just very bitter.

And I again, I expected it.

And I would respond in kind.

And but then some people, like, and I don't know exactly why or what motivated them.

I think

they say that they saw something in me that maybe I would listen or something.

But in any case, they stopped yelling and stopped insulting me and started to ask questions.

And

they seemed like they were actually listening to me.

And of course, they were honest questions.

They were honest questions.

They weren't questions of setup.

Right, exactly.

And it made me feel, and because again, I thought I was doing a good thing.

I thought that those words that we were preaching, I thought that was the absolute unquestionable truth.

So I wanted to share it with them.

That's why I was on social media.

And so I would, you know, answer their questions and sort of we have these back and forth.

But then, you know, because it's Twitter, like, I'm also seeing the photos they post of their children and their friends.

And it just became this way for me to see people

as human beings.

And it was because

of the fact that they stopped, of the way that they engaged me.

It's incredible that that came from Twitter, too.

Someone tweeted the other day, Instagram, My Life is a Party.

Snapchat, My Life is a Quirky TV show.

Facebook, my life turned out great.

Twitter, we're all going to die.

And I say, when I go on Twitter, man, I just get so depressed.

But it's amazing you were able to take that out of this.

I know, but

there's a couple other things about Twitter

that were really helpful to me.

So like for instance, like the character limit, it first made me give up insults because at Westboro we would include these elaborate insults when we responded to questions that people sent us by email.

But on Twitter there just wasn't space for it.

And and also Twitter was just this immediate feedback loop.

If I did insult somebody, I could watch the conversation just derail in real time.

I I I could see that I wasn't getting my point across because I was too busy indulging that vengeful little voice in my head that wanted to call people names.

And I feel like, I mean, we all have this feedback loop.

I mean, I will tell you,

I've been doing these kinds of experiments myself over the last couple of years where I've gotten in because I just stopped engaging for a while.

And about two years ago, I decided, you know what, I'm just going to answer everybody and assume the best

and just answer the worst

with something kind and try to be humble and kind and nice to everybody.

Really hard to do.

And it's amazing, the results.

It's truly remarkable.

It doesn't cure everybody by any stretch, but it's remarkable.

And I've talked about it on the air.

And

so many people say it's not going to make a difference.

You can't engage with them.

They're all crazy.

They're all whatever.

What would you say to that?

Man, I just disagree so, so much with the idea of hopelessness when it comes to talking to people.

I had grown up

basically cultivating this mindset of us versus them,

being wary, like specifically being wary of people's kindness.

And even though I consciously was aware and trying not to be persuaded by kindness, it was still a powerful thing.

And

it's really interesting because over the past few years I've been

thinking about this a lot, obviously, because it's only been four years since I left.

So it's kind of just this huge,

you know,

huge event in my life.

And what you're describing there about

assuming the best and changing the way you respond.

So if somebody comes at you angry and you respond in kindness and humility, that's called non-complimentary behavior.

And we are, as human beings, we're wired to respond in kind.

But like you said, it's incredibly difficult to do.

But we can cultivate a more useful mindset.

Like one thing you said, well, my mom used to tell me that to make sure my behavior was appropriate, I should add the word judge onto the end of my sentence, as in, here's why I did it, judge.

And I still use that trick, except now I add the word friend.

If someone attacks me and I start to get riled up, I try to pause for a beat and

add friend as if I'm disagreeing with someone I love.

And I don't do it to be a goody two-shoes.

I do it because it works.

It's It's just so much more effective than anger or insults or hostility.

I want to get to, you say there are four steps, and I want to get to those here in a second.

Let me just ask you one more question, and then I have to take a quick break.

Are you well aware of how appropriately timed your discovery and your story is for the rest of the world?

I just, I hope that

I hope that I can be a voice or that this story can be something that will help other people see the value in engaging.

Because honestly, my experience has given me so much hope.

I never thought I would leave.

And at first, when I first left, I thought that my family, there was

no hope for most of my family.

I don't believe that anymore.

And I'm still reaching out to them.

I'm still trying to convince them to see things other ways.

And if there's hope for me, if I changed,

I think that there's a lot of hope.

I know the political climate is so, so polarized right now, but I can't help but feel so hopeful.

Megan Phelps Roper, she'll continue with us here in just a second.

You need to hear what her solution is.

It's really a four-step process and it's really pretty easy.

Left the Westboro Baptist Church because of kindness.

If

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Megan Phelps Roper is a former member of the Westboro Baptist Church,

where people were kind to her and started to talk to her.

And she says, this really works.

And, you know, you could be in the cult of a political party.

And I think this works.

I think we need this.

across all lines in the world right now.

Megan, you did a TED talk.

You said said there are four tips on how to talk to people who you disagree with.

Yes, exactly.

Do you want me to tell them to you?

Yeah, yeah, sure.

So the first one is, I think it's really important,

don't assume bad intent.

It's so easy to look at, I mean, Westboro is such an easy example.

They've got these neon signs.

It was so clearly obvious to everyone that we were hateful and evil and awful.

But underneath it was well-intentioned, well-intentioned people trying to do what they believed was right.

And so it's really easy to

look at the surface and assume the worst of people, assume you understand where they're coming from.

But that almost immediately cuts you off from really understanding what they're about.

It's one of the reasons why

I've tried to cut the word evil out of my lexicon because we use that too often and we use it about people and I really think most people

have great intent you know Donald Trump Barack Obama you can disagree with either one of them but neither one of them think they're doing evil they think they're doing the right thing you just don't see it that way

exactly I think the very few maybe sociopaths or psychopaths or you know

and even them like people who are deliberately doing wrong, I think they're very, very, very few and far between.

Right.

And that doesn't mean you have to go along with it, but if you say to them or their followers, you know, your guy is evil, they stop listening to you.

Right, exactly.

And you stop asking questions to get to the bottom of it,

which is the second point, is that asking questions helps you bridge the gap between your point of view and theirs.

It helps you understand where they're coming from actually.

And it also signals to the people that you're talking to that you're actually listening to them.

And that is a huge benefit to the dialogue because

they no longer,

they don't want to yell at you.

They see that you want to understand.

So they're much more willing to engage.

So the second point is ask questions.

And it matters that they're honest questions, not setup questions.

Not a question where I know you're going to say one thing so I can give you the scripture quote or whatever to beat you.

It has to be a question that is not designed for me to win.

We're going to take a quick break, come back to the last two with Megan Phelps Roper when we come back.

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Megan Phelps Roper, somebody that we saw on TED Talk, giving a great TED Talk on how to bring people together.

She was in the, she's a Phelps, so she was part of the founding family of the Westboro Baptist Church.

And she got online and started making friends with people who were friendly to her, not just yelling at her all the time.

And she said there are four things that if you really want to change people's minds, four ways of engaging people so that real conversations can take place.

The first one is don't assume bad intent.

Instead, assume good or neutral intent.

The second, ask questions.

As opposed to accusing, ask honest questions.

It'll help people let them know that they've been heard, and quite often this is all that people want.

The third is stay calm.

Welcome back to the program, Megan.

Explain, stay calm.

So this one is really difficult because the natural inclination is always to respond the way that somebody is speaking to you.

So if when somebody comes at you with hostility, the instinct is to be defensive and to respond with hostility.

But that just brings the conversation to an end quickly.

But if you can learn to step back, calm down, and

try to diffuse the anger.

And you can do it in a few ways.

There were people who just, so for instance, I actually ended up marrying, my husband was one of these Twitter friends who started out as this angry, sort of insulting at

the moment.

Congratulations.

Thank you.

But so what he would do, for instance, he would tell a joke or recommend a book or start talking about music.

He would sort of turn away from from the hostility for a minute

and then come back to it, come back to it later.

You don't necessarily, I mean,

that can be a last resort.

A lot of times, just staying calm and speaking as if you're addressing a friend and not somebody that you hate and that you despise, that you can't stand to hear their words, it helps so much

to keep the conversation going.

Step four.

Step four is make the argument.

And

this one seems obvious, but there's this argument that seems to have taken hold on both the left and the right.

And I think it stems from the hopelessness you mentioned earlier.

Oh, they're just too far gone.

They can't be reasoned with.

But where does that lead us?

It just leaves us at loggerheads, deadlocked, and no one wants to be there.

So you make the argument because they don't understand, your opponent doesn't necessarily understand your thinking and the way that you're approaching the problem.

And by making the argument, if you fail to do that, you're definitely not going to change someone's mind.

You actually have to articulate the reasoning and the thought process behind your position.

And there's actually a fifth point that I would have included if I had enough time.

Should I tell you now?

Yeah, yeah, go.

We're breaking news here.

The fifth point in Megan Phillips' TED Talk.

It's

take heart.

Changing hearts and minds is incremental work, and it takes patience and persistence, and you're not going to see results necessarily immediately, not right away.

But we can't give up.

You know, and you might not be the person to persuade somebody else to turn away from a bad position, but every interaction is an opportunity to help turn the tide.

So stay the course, trust the process, and take heart.

How many people were like this to to you?

Well, the ones who had the biggest impact,

I mean, a handful who were engaging me continually over the course of a couple of years.

But considering I'd been in the church, I'd been raised in this, and I was 24 when I got on Twitter.

So I was, again, marinating in this ideology and this way of thinking.

And so the fact that it only took a couple of years to really

affect me and affect how I saw things, I think that's pretty remarkable.

So did your husband

was there a time when your husband, who is now your husband,

was he falling in love with you at the time?

Did that happen later?

Did he say, I can't believe I'm saying this to you?

I mean, how did that happen?

So we were having these discussions, and there was nothing it was like a Jane Austen novel, like nothing overt.

Like we couldn't say how we were feeling to each other because it just wasn't acceptable.

And he sensed that.

But he also, again, saw that I was a human being and he came to believe that I had a good heart.

So

would this have worked without love?

Well, I think, well, so here's the thing.

Yes, I believe so.

And the reason is that the very first

interaction was with a friend.

I mentioned him in the talk too, Julicius, who named David Abbottball.

And so it was, I think I was talking with him for a little over a year.

And again, he's asking these questions.

And in the course of asking these questions, he was the one who found the first

the first bit of internal inconsistency in Westboro's doctrines.

And when I look back at how I responded to that, so my husband, I didn't actually actually start speaking to him for months after that,

but when I think about how I responded to that first bit of internal inconsistency, that was when I first started to challenge in my own mind Westbro's doctrines.

And you didn't let him know that.

No, for sure.

As soon as he made that point, I was actually terrified to speak to him again.

I didn't even let on that I recognized that he was right.

I just stopped speaking to him.

What was the point, if you don't mind me asking?

Oh, yeah, no, not at all.

It was a sign that we had that said death penalty for fags.

And

yeah.

So of course we use the verses in Leviticus and then also in Romans 1 that talk about how gays are worthy of death.

And he brought up, so he's Jewish, I was really surprised that he brought up Jesus saying, let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

And

I just had never connected that that was talking about the death penalty.

And we thought

we're not casting stones.

We're just preaching words.

And David said, yeah, but you're advocating that the government cast stones.

And so when I brought that point to other members of the church, the response was just to double down.

They never addressed the passage that

contradicted us.

They just reiterated the passages that supported us.

And so that was the first time that, and the way that I reconciled it in my own mind was I just stopped holding the sign because I didn't know how to defend it anymore.

And I didn't believe in.

Did they tell you to stop talking to these people?

I don't think people quite realized how much, I mean, they knew I was very active on Twitter, but I don't think they realized how much it was affecting the way that I was thinking.

And I honestly

didn't understand it either.

Because in my mind, I was sort of in, I think I was in denial about it because

at the church, you're you you are not supposed to be impacted by other people you're you are not supposed to be anything but preaching to them you're not supposed to really you know

care I was gonna say care about them it's it's a very strange dynamic but I was I was in denial about it and I think that definitely helped it seem to others as if it wasn't really having an impact on me also is anybody in your family speaking with you do you have a relationship with anybody anymore in the family

not anybody in the church, no.

But there have been, over the last decade or so,

about 20 or so people who have either left or been kicked out of Westboro.

And my brother, actually, was the morning of my high school graduation.

He's a year and a half older than me.

We woke up and

went downstairs, and all of his stuff was gone.

And so

I didn't get to speak with him for the eight and a half years between when he left and when I left.

But now we're really good friends, and he's wonderful.

What was he thrown out for?

No, he left actually.

Oh, he left on his own.

Okay.

At 19.

Yeah, he also had scriptural objections

to some things, and also just the extreme ⁇ he objected to the extreme level of control because everybody in the church, we all

lived within two blocks or so of one another and did everything together and were not obviously developing relationships with people outside.

but the level of control is is really really really extreme do they um um do you think this will just die out as the family dies out or

i i'm actually i thought about this my sister and i would talk about this about how could the church end in a way that didn't just destroy everybody you know on the on the inside um there there's still about the same level of membership as there has been because i've you know a few people a few new converts have joined and then of course my generation is now

they're having kids and but there's there's not many

I do

what kind of people join what kind of people join this they really believe it the newcomers that came in were they it's one thing to be raised in it but to be converted as an awful lot of decent people

yeah so

honestly I I've I've speculated about this too so I mean so for instance my dad my dad joined the church long before the picketing started.

He was only sixteen at the time.

And, you know, his family wasn't

I mean, his mom had been divorced and I don't think he he was attracted to the the love and unity and connection, um, I think, in my family, um in the Phelps family, I mean.

And I think that's a draw for some people.

And and it really lends credence to the idea that they're doing what they're doing out of love, out of, you know, good intentions.

Um and again, some people just, I think, are drawn to that, the sense of the idea of having all the answers and knowing for sure what you believe and how you're supposed to live.

That was such a powerful thing.

And when I left and realized,

I don't have that anymore.

I don't have that sense of, it's a very comforting sense of certainty.

And, you know, nuance and questions and

uncertainty are a lot lot more difficult to deal with.

So I think some people are attracted to that part of the church.

Next time they're out protesting, what should people do?

I think engaging at protests is actually not a very effective thing because

on picket lines, they are already in these attack, defend mindsets.

I think the Internet is a much

you know, Twitter, there's a lot of them on Twitter now.

I think that's a more effective way of engaging.

But

if you do see them and if you are moved to go and speak to them, just remember that

responding with yelling and name-calling, all those things, it just reinforces what they already believe.

It's adding to

their certainty that they're doing the right thing.

It is really

great to talk to you.

Megan Phelps Roper, you can find her at Megan Phelps.

That's her Twitter handle, at Megan Phelps.

Really great to talk to you.

And thank you for sharing this.

And I think you have an important voice that needs to be heard.

And I will say, Megan, would you confirm this?

Because we got the fifth point out of you, we are 25% better than your TED Talk.

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Megan, can we ask you, can we pay you an offhanded compliment?

Stu wanted to say this.

We said it in the break.

And it's weird because it is exactly what we're talking about.

We don't know each other.

We don't talk to each other.

We look at people in the Westboro Baptist Church and think that their kids just must be dumb as a box of rocks and just oatmeal.

Every answer is oatmeal.

And you're so articulate.

I mean, it's amazing

to

have that view shattered.

Thank you.

I will say, I mean,

another thing that's not so well known about the church,

education was really important in my family.

Most of the people there,

many lawyers, people who work in healthcare and IT, and they're very well educated, which is partly, I think, what makes it so much more difficult for them to see outside of it.

This is like a psychological thing where

by having these very strong,

mostly internally consistent arguments,

they think they're so certain that they don't even the

Thank you so much.

At Megan Phelps, thank you so much, Megan.

Appreciate it.

Thank you.

Thank you for having me.

You bet.

Now, this digitalization is taking place around the globe, and it's a trend that is moving towards a cashless society.

What was it you read about this morning you were talking about, Stu?

About the ATMs?

Oh, yeah, Wells Fargo.

Now you're going to be able to go to your, do you an ATM, pull out cash, and this is like within the next couple of weeks, they're switching these over.

And you're going to be able to go get cash without an ATM card.

You'll only need your phone with a code on it to get cash out of your account.

All right.

So

they're eliminating the card.

Why wouldn't we just eliminate the cash part?

And your phone pays for everything.

That's what's happening.

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Have you ever gotten one?

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You're an older person and you're like, ah, the industry wants to recognize you because you've had a lifetime of achievement.

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But usually you will over a lifetime.

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For well.

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Heath Street writes, because she's vice chair of the Clinton Foundation, a foundation she only works for because her parents founded to keep their wealth flowing in the years they don't spend for running for public office.

Her other endeavors, authoring books that don't sell, being snarky on Twitter, and serving on the board of several large-scale tech firms operated by major Democratic donors, were oddly left out of her official biography.

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