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Today with Pat and Stu,

the Quinnipiac poll has

taken the pulse of Americans.

Supposedly, President Trump is down to 37% in this poll.

Interesting.

Have you looked into the

into any of the stats involving this Quinnipiac poll?

I have not, Pat.

Let me, I have not even seen this one.

I thought you've analyzed virtually every poll that ever comes out.

I mean, it is sort of like, you know, my daughter gets very excited when a new Taylor Swift record comes out.

I get excited when the new poll comes out.

I know.

I know.

This is Taylor Swift to you.

It is basically,

you know, a Swifty.

It's my version of being a Swifty.

But no, I actually have not seen this one yet.

That is

37% seems really low.

Yeah.

Now, Quinnipiac famously is pretty negative for whatever Republican happens to be in office.

They are a legitimate pollster, but like, you know, these places have what they call house effect.

So house effect is,

where is it typically tilted, right?

My remembrance of Quinnipiac is usually tilted against the Republican a little bit.

That doesn't mean they don't have value, by the way.

Like,

you just have to judge it against itself.

You don't judge it against another pollster because they have different ways they're doing it.

And that's usually what the house effect is.

If you judge it against maybe the previous poll, that they asked the exact same question in the exact same way with the same people running it, a lot of times you can learn things that way.

But like,

I'm not surprised that it's low.

37 is about as low as I've seen on Trump, though, even

in a negative poll for him.

Yeah.

With Republicans, it's 84% approval, 84% to 9%.

That's, by the way, not great.

That's not great.

It's usually in the 90s.

Yeah.

Usually you want to be in the 90s.

Yeah.

You saw this with Biden during his last few months.

He kept seeing numbers in the 70s, which is pretty low.

I mean, if I remember right, right before Nixon left office, he still had a 70% approval rating among Republicans.

Now, his overall approval ratings was in the

20s, I believe, but it was all Republicans, basically.

For Democrats, it's really close.

98 to 1.

So 98% disapprove, 1% approve.

Yeah.

And I guess there's 1% who, I don't know, kind of thing.

That is one way, too, by the way, Pat, you can read these polls

because

it's difficult at times to, you know, there's a lot to sort out.

But if you look at Republican loyalty versus Democratic loyalty, a lot of times you can pull something valuable out of that.

Independents, sometimes people identify, sometimes they're not paying attention.

That group moves around like crazy.

But you should expect high levels, 90% plus in both of those categories.

So in the 80s, it's kind of rough.

98 is really good.

They really don't like Donald Trump.

Have you noticed that at all, though?

I haven't noticed that a new thing.

They don't seem to like him at all.

Yeah, that's weird.

For independents, pretty low too.

5831 disapprove.

So it's a bad poll for President Trump.

But I was more interested in some of the other issues, like

60% oppose the United States sending military aid to Israel.

That seems pretty low.

60% oppose sending military aid to Israel in their fight against Hamas.

Only 32% support.

60 to 32.

So you're saying it's surprising that

there's so little support for that.

I mean, I think the campaign of putting starving children who aren't starving with diseases on the front cover of every newspaper ever

has been successful.

It's been also

on social media, too.

It has.

You know, I've even seen posts from people who don't normally talk talk about politics that I follow.

They're like, look, I don't follow this very often, and I might not know everything about this region, but can we just

make children?

Maybe you don't know anything about it.

You may not know anything.

Because I feel like you have an instinct you're identifying there to not comment on this issue.

And you're probably right that you shouldn't have.

Just so you know, your instinct was right.

Good safety tip, just don't.

Just don't comment on it.

Then that would be advantageous to all of of us.

But

we had a reporter on my show earlier today that was talking.

He'd been to the Gaza Strip and he checked out the food situation and went to the UN's area where they store the food, where the

where the Gazans come to the Palestinian people, come to the food to get it.

Or actually, it was.

The one with the UN, they deliver it.

95% of those shipments get commandeered by either Hamas or other armed gangs.

But just 95%.

But just 95%.

Not 100%.

Now, they also place it in an area where the people go to it, and that food is protected by armed military.

And that food is

almost 100% being used by the Palestinian people.

So if you are in that area, you're able to access the food.

But if you're in an area where the UN or whomever is supposed to deliver it, it's being commandeered by Hamas.

And then they try to sell it.

It's unbelievable.

Why do they use it for themselves?

All reporting, even the reporting that says how bad it is in Gaza.

If you scroll down to paragraph 84, 85 in the story, it will tell you

it's not the IDF doing this.

It's not the IDF doing this

in these cases.

And it will also tell you that every Hamas warehouse is fully stocked.

The ones they're using for themselves,

they got plenty of food.

They're having no problems at all with starvation.

They've got the food.

They're holding it for themselves.

That is something that actually has been consistently reported just, you know, under an ad for,

you know, like it's a pop-up window pops up over it every time you're trying to read it, but it's there.

I mean, you can find that information if you care enough to.

But, you know, so many people don't.

but that is there and that's not you know it's not surprising that but I I'm not surprised I guess in this poll that you'd see a lower approval over this and and it's fascinating because when October 7th happened this was quite clearly the plan of the mission yes this was absolutely exactly what they wanted to happen when they went over and murdered all these Jewish people and raped all these Jewish people their goal quite obviously, was not to win a military conflict with Israel.

They knew they can't.

They knew they couldn't do that.

They're not going to do that.

No, they knew going over there, this was going to make Israel get very angry and come across the border and try to shut all this down.

And all that they were willing to accept.

They were willing to accept their people.

If there were some starving, they were willing to accept that.

What they wanted was this reaction from Western media.

This is what they wanted.

Exactly.

And they got it.

Of course, they got it.

They don't care how many civilians they sacrificed, by the way.

They don't care.

That's why they use them as human shields.

That's why they have

military weaponry in hospitals and schools.

And they, because they're using the civilians as human shields.

And then, you know, all of the Western media is accepting the numbers that come from a Hamas organization, the health ministry.

Gee, what's surprising that those numbers are high.

My favorite thing, and it's very easy to do, if you see a news source

report the following phrase, according to the Hamas-run Gaza health ministry,

you never, you know what, you could free up your time because you never should read it again.

Right.

I mean, you know, that's what they all say.

It's like, at least, at the very least, if there's not skepticism attached to it, it's worthless.

But it's all been really effective.

The propaganda has been really effective for Hamas and the Palestinians.

37% of Americans say they sympathize more with the Palestinians than the Israelis.

37 to 36.

So they're a point above water for the Palestinians.

Despite the fact that if you poll the Palestinian people, they will tell you 70, 80, 90% of the people

believe that Americans should be killed in terrorist attacks.

Right.

But we're going to,

as opposed to one of our closest allies,

Israel,

We're going to have an even split there.

It shows how effective this has been.

It has been very effective.

It's so effective.

And these are the people who danced in the streets on 9-11 when we got attacked and 3,000 people lost their lives.

So it's, I mean, the propaganda, yes, is working well.

Just to give you an idea, the propaganda for Ukraine has worked out really nicely, too.

Let's see, 40, 50% of voters

would, only 50% would oppose U.S.

ground troops as part of the peacekeeping force.

I think that's a really bad idea to send U.S.

troops between Ukraine and Russia.

So

I'm against that.

But only 50% of Americans are, 40% supported sending U.S.

troops to Ukraine as peacekeepers.

In this scenario, the war ends.

Yeah.

Right.

And

I mean,

I probably wouldn't be as hard against that as you are.

I think I would prefer it to be European troops.

I think it's really dangerous.

I think it is, you're right, really dangerous.

I do think

I would like this war to end.

I would, too.

One of the ways that it seems possible that it could end is,

you know, new, look, new borders are going to be drawn.

And I know that's not fair to Ukraine, but that's probably what's going to happen here.

And at the end of the day, if you could find a way to try to

dissuade Russia from doing the exact same thing again in a year or two,

I think you want to do that.

I think the way I would want to do it is not American troops there.

No, I'm all about Finland's troops being there.

Finland, yeah,

they'd be great.

Yeah, they'd be awesome.

Germany sends some Germans there.

Yeah, usually they don't even get along though.

Well, they can both stay there, right?

If the UK wants to send some troops, good for you.

Yeah, that's kind of how I am with it as well.

It's a European situation, so let Europeans deal with it.

I think that's probably the right way to do it.

If it meant ending the war, I'd consider a few placeholders.

You know, like we have this in certain areas around the world, and we've had this conversation before.

I'm not as opposed to it as you are to have troops in South Korea, for example.

I'm really done with that, too.

Right.

And I get it.

I get it.

I don't want to be involved in a war, but I do like the idea that it does dissuade North Korea from doing something when they know we're on the other side.

But I do understand your point.

And at this point,

I think that at least on the right, there's a lot of people who have come that way.

But when you look, it's interesting.

Did you see the, this is other nerdy polling.

We were talking about Harry Enton on CNN the other day, who highlighted this maybe a couple of weeks ago.

We played it on the air, that the

Trump voters in America have swung wildly back toward the favor of helping Ukraine in this war over the past three or four months,

which is interesting.

Yeah.

That is interesting.

Yeah.

I mean, and it.

Because I have not.

Right.

You were very much against it from the very beginning.

Now, of course, Trump has kind of bounced back and forth a couple of times on this.

More recently,

he has been very critical of Putin and has been much more skeptical of him.

And since that change occurred, the right has kind of moved their position from being

totally opposed to helping in any way to now the majority actually support it, a slight majority.

Now,

that also goes along with, and it's important, I think, to note, it goes along with a Trump

policy change, which was going away from giving them a bunch of weapons to selling them a bunch of weapons.

And so I don't know how much of that affected the polling numbers there.

It might have a little bit.

I think it might have, but I think

I also know the American people pretty well.

And while audiences like perhaps

the audience that is tuned into this program is very well informed on the

back and forth of policy changes,

the American people generally may be not as in tune to that.

So I think probably it's more just associated with Trump's tone, right?

Trump was, you know, he was yelling at Vladimir Zelensky.

You know, you know, they're having meetings and they're, you know, they're screaming at each other

at the White House.

That's changed now to really, you know, he's pretty pissed at Putin at this point.

Yeah.

So I think that might be part of the change there.

But it has probably should be pissed at Putin right now.

I think that's very fair.

Yeah.

I think that's totally fair.

And I'm pissed at Putin too.

I just don't want to be involved in it, frankly.

Yeah.

I'm just really done with that.

Stay the heck away from it.

I get it.

I get that.

All right.

Would you be opposed to selling weapons to Ukraine?

Like we sell them to us.

Directly or selling them to Europe and then they give them to Ukraine?

I'm frankly that.

I don't mind that.

I don't really care about that difference.

What I'm saying is

we sell weapons that are used in this war to Ukraine, but don't.

Selling them?

I'm okay with that.

Yeah.

Probably okay with that.

Because they're not an enemy of ours, per se.

No, you know, and I'm just

a weird ally because all of a sudden they become this angelic

face of democracy.

Yeah,

exactly.

And they're not.

And they're just not.

I mean, Russia is certainly worse, but Ukraine is not

Canada, let's say.

And Canada is not that great.

Canada's going in an interesting direction themselves these days.

They are.

They are.

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How about air support?

U.S.

military air support to help end the war.

Would you support that?

U.S.

military

air support.

U.S.

providing military air support to Ukraine if it leads to a deal to end the war.

So we're we're flying planes, we're flying jets over

that's that's a full no for me.

Anything like that is a full no for me.

62 to 29 supported.

That's interesting.

Very.

With Democrats.

And when did this switch,

I can't figure out exactly when and why it occurred, but it did.

I mean, for Democrats who are like, they're anti every war we ever covered in the last 20 years.

And they bragged about it, bragged about it constantly.

I was against Iraq from the very beginning.

were you were you really but 74 to 18 percent support it in democrats 61 31 independents with republicans it's still uh 21 above water 57 36

so the american people support it i don't but yeah i i

don't want plenty that's i look it's kind of a

you know not to be overly critical of the way they did this poll but that is my lot in life uh you know act adding on a fake positive consequence to a scenario is a weird way

to conduct a poll.

Because we all want the war to end.

Right.

Like if I were to say, hey, are you for bashing in the windows of that Mercedes over there if it leads to world peace?

And it's like, well, okay.

Okay, yeah, I guess.

That doesn't make me in favor of bashing in windows of Mercedes.

Yeah.

Right.

But, you know, so that's a little bit like, I don't know.

Yes, if it leads to the end of the war, I think people are going to approve of a lot of things.

But you could phrase it a little differently.

Like, are you in favor of U.S.

military air support if it leads to World War III?

It might be a slightly negative.

Yeah, but probably be negative.

Exactly.

I mean, if you're going to do these sort of like hypothetical polls, poll both.

Right, exactly.

If it leads to direct military conflict with Russia, I mean, I think that would be our approval would be like 2% of the rush.

Which it probably would.

It could.

I mean, I do think Russia and Putin, Putin has been, I think, pretty bad to Trump

here.

I think he has led him around.

I think he has tried to manipulate the system.

I think he's tried to use part of Trump's persona, which is a real desire to not want people murdered in war.

He really does want this over.

Very true.

And his honest pursuit of that goal, I think, has been

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I think Trump has tried, or excuse me, Putin has tried to manipulate the situation and use Trump's goodwill

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He should be.

Yep, it's despicable.

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We're just talking about this Quinnipiak poll and the 37%

support for Trump in this particular poll.

that's pretty low.

He's doing better than that in other polls, right?

Yeah, just to note, in case you were wondering, is this a common occurrence?

Not really.

Here are the last 10 polls.

This is from the Silver Bulletin, Nate Silver's thing.

37% approval is Quinnipiak.

Then you've got 47%, 45, 41, 49, 41, 49, 47, 40, 38, 54 are the last 10.

Who did the 54?

That was Insider Advantage did that one.

That's right.

I saw that poll.

Yeah, that was a couple of times.

That's as high as I've ever seen.

A couple weeks ago now, but still, those are the last most recent 10.

Overall, average is at 43.9% approval.

That is, you know, certainly down from his highs.

You know, and

he hovers around 47, right?

46, 47?

Isn't that where he usually is?

No,

I mean, his first term was definitely more negative than that.

This second term has been better for approval rating for Donald Trump than his first term was.

He started off a little bit over 50 and slowly, and every president this happens with,

you slowly come down the first six months of your presidency.

I mean, that has happened almost every single president in recent memory.

He came down and bottomed out at 43, let's see, 43.6 in April.

and has been pretty much flat since.

A little ups and downs, but 43 is probably where you'd 43, 44 is about where he's been in the average approval rating.

That takes into account, again, places like Insider Advantage that have much more positive numbers and Quintipiak that have much more negative.

But you can kind of look at that average and get a basic idea.

The Quintipiak poll also polled how people feel about his handling of the Epstein files.

There might be some issues there.

Two-thirds of voters, 67% disapprove of the way the Trump administration is handling the Epstein files.

19% approve.

14% have no opinion.

I will say, I can understand why you would have disapproval of that.

It would be a weird thing to be like, no, I approve of the way he's doing it exactly.

Not because he's done anything right or like I have my criticisms or whatever, but even.

I don't know that he's behind it, actually.

I look more toward Cash Patel and Pam Bondi on that.

Yeah.

I think

that's probably right.

But again, it's just a weird thing to approve.

I approve of him releasing a certain percentage of the documents, but not like what I don't, what would be the thing you'd approve of?

I don't know.

I could see not caring.

Yeah.

I mean, I can see not caring about it, which is kind of, I think, Trump's more public-facing attitude on this.

He's like, hey, this is old.

The guy's dead.

Right.

I didn't do anything.

Right.

Leave me alone.

I think that's kind of his position with that.

I agree.

I'm not a whole lot of that.

The fact is true.

He's dead.

And,

you know, it's not necessarily Trump's fault.

And I don't think he had anything to do with.

I don't think he's involved in, you know.

There is no wrongdoing evidence at all whatsoever that he was having sexually.

Even Ghelane Maxwell said that.

Now, that is not.

Julian Mask, Ghillaine Maskell was going to say whatever she can to get out of prison.

I thought you might feel that way.

Yes, she does that.

You can't trust Ghillaine Maxwell.

This is not a controversial statement.

Because she also cleared Bill Clinton.

Right.

She'll say

she'll literally say anything right now to get herself in a better situation.

She's going to be in prison for the rest of her life.

However, the point.

Biden would have used it if they had information on him.

Of course they would have.

Much more persuasive.

Of course they would have.

If there was actually really terrible evidence in there about Donald Trump, we'd know it.

Do you think Joe Biden and Kamala Harris would have gone through an entire election without outing this somehow?

They would do anything to sink this guy.

Of course they would.

I mean, look, if you go back, you could find stuff where Trump and Epstein, obviously very early on, before the criminal stuff was known about Epstein,

and you can,

the left likes to pull up the quotes of Donald Trump saying how

Epstein

liked him on the younger side.

He even referenced his,

what they called at the time, Playboy sort of attitude that Epstein was known for.

That was a well-known part of Jeffrey Epstein at the time.

It wasn't well known that he was also going after girls that were underage.

That wasn't known until he was actually charged with it.

And everything before that is completely excusable.

There are plenty of people, by the way.

Bill Gates is one of them.

Steve Bannon is another one of them that interacted with Epstein after

it was known.

Right.

Not no, and I'm not making any accusations of those people when it comes to

the worst things we know about Epstein.

I'm just saying, like, we're we're like hung out with him,

interviewed them,

at least

allegedly

tried to help him and restore his image.

Is that stuff true?

I don't know.

It's been reported a bunch of times, but who knows?

But Gates obviously had some problems there because his wife brought it up.

So, you know, that there was an issue there of some sort.

I mean, I didn't like him hanging out with Jeffrey Epstein.

Frankly, Pat, wouldn't you have an

if a person who is very

famously

incredibly accused to the point that they were con you know that they went to prison for it had sex with a bunch of 14-year-olds, would you

hang out with them?

Would you entertain helping them rehabilitate their career?

There's a lot of questions I would have about anybody who did something like that.

None of them are positive questions.

None of them are related to their real estate acumen.

They're all sort of related to why.

Why would you...

Why are you hanging out with that person?

And there could be, there are reasons for that.

Like, you know, you could see a minister, for example, a pastor who might get involved with someone like that and try to bring them to God, right?

Like, that's a legitimate reason.

If you're trying to help them in that way, maybe that's possible.

When you're talking about like their

PR in the field, like I would say no.

If you're talking about like, hey, he just invited me over for dinner at his

very expensive apartment.

We're just going to hang out and then have no real excuse as to why you didn't say no to that invitation because of all the sex with the 14-year-olds.

I do have questions about that.

That sounds very sketchy to me.

Yeah.

Sus, as they say these days, Pat.

It seems a little sus.

But that's just me.

That's not, that's not, we don't know.

We don't know for a fact that any of that stuff went down.

And, and, like, I don't think,

you know, I don't think when you, you know, I doubt he, he really did document this as the way it was rumored.

I don't know that there really was this detailed, hey, this is how many times Bill Clinton did this.

I don't know what that is.

I think you think he didn't.

Because,

you know, everybody is, everybody who's involved in it, everybody who has supposedly seen it now says he didn't have those files.

So I, I, and I, and Pat,

there's so many people on both sides of this politically and so many people that had access to this with an obvious agenda to take out the other side.

Yeah.

You'd think at this point we'd know.

I know a lot of people don't believe that.

You know, I think a lot of people believe it's, it's like, and they might be right.

I don't know.

But like, I think a lot of people think, hey, you know, now there's way more there and everybody was involved in it.

And, you know, I don't know.

I tend to think that that like the interest in having sex with underage girls isn't as widespread as a lot of other people think it is.

I feel like I talk to people a lot of times and they're just like, every famous person does this.

I'm like, I don't,

I don't think that's accurate.

I don't think everybody in Hollywood is interested in it.

I mean, you think about like some of the things they talk about, these widespread like parties that go on.

And it's like,

I'm sure there are corners of this world where horrible things like that occur.

But like when you're talking about widespread,

you know,

and you see the names on this list, there's hundreds of them that like knew Epstein or flew with him or whatever.

You're telling me none of those people walked in there and were like, whoa, wait a minute.

Whoa, what the heck?

What is going on here?

And did anything about it?

Maybe I just have too much faith in humanity.

I feel like somebody would have done something about that.

And eventually, you know, we got, we eventually found this information.

But mostly he was doing this.

If you look at the reporting reporting of it at the time and what came out from after

many of the criminal investigations, what he was doing was intentionally going after disaffected, disconnected young girls who were victims of things in high school that

were desperate for money and in a situation with bad

parental relationships

that they would groom and bring over there.

And that was kind of the whole operation, at least that that was known at the time.

That's not to say that he didn't have more going on.

I think it's very possible.

But we just haven't found the evidence of that at this point.

And I don't know.

It feels like we would have by now.

There's a lot of interest in it, quite frankly.

Yeah.

That's just, I mean,

I think Glenn disagrees with me on that.

I think a lot of people do.

So you don't think it was as widespread?

I'm not saying there weren't examples of it.

Like, you know, Prince Andrew really

seems like something went on there, right?

Like, that would be what I would point to.

Again, I don't know.

If you're listening to some of the victims, then yes, he was involved.

But if you're listening to some of the victims, so was Alan Dershowitz, and then they just changed the, the victims changed their mind and said, oh, wait, maybe he wasn't.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Like, I don't know.

The Dershowitz thing, I think, was impactful in me thinking this maybe wasn't what was initially proposed because of the fact that Virginia Geffray, who is now dead, she killed herself,

but still still has a new book coming out.

She has a new book coming out soon.

Oh.

This is very odd.

Really?

Apparently, she wrote a book before she died.

Then killed herself.

Which is coming out soon.

That would be interesting.

Yeah.

And that plays into the conspiracy theory.

Sure.

And the whole thing is very.

Yeah, I mean, she went through, she had a bad car accident.

I remember this and

with a bus or something.

Yeah, it's a terrible story.

I mean, her story is absolutely terrible.

Whether you from starting to do that.

Seemingly,

quite clearly, really bad things happened to her.

Yes.

But at one point, she kind of accused everybody, every famous person around Epstein, of engaging in this stuff.

And

then Dershowitz was like,

wound up suing over this.

And she wound up saying, oh, yeah, maybe it wasn't him.

Like, you know, again, it's tough to.

Yeah, it is.

That's a tough one.

I don't know what you make of that.

I know what Alan makes of it.

He's pretty pissed about it,

as he said on the air many, many times.

So anyway, long story short, I can understand why you disapprove of the way they've handled the documents.

Saying, hey, we've had some of these and that's enough.

It's hard to say I would approve of it, but I think the Trump opinion of, like, hey, leave me alone on this.

I didn't do anything.

There's a lot of bad people involved in this.

I wasn't one of them.

Yeah.

I can understand why he's pissed off.

The biggest blame goes to the people like Pam Bondi, I think, who said she'd seen them, they're on her desk, and she's going to release them soon.

It's just that

the way you handled it was so

terrible.

It was just terrible.

It was just bad handling of it.

And like they released it, we talked about this at the time.

They release a video that's supposed to prove that he was not killed in a cell.

Now, I don't know if he was killed in a cell.

That does, but

nothing didn't show the cell.

Yeah.

It showed the cell.

Which is kind of a problem.

Right.

And if you're going to promote it that way, you can't, you have to, instead, like I, we, we made this argument at the time.

You have to go to somebody who's really involved in this case, you know, a conservative, someone who's on your side and say, hey, the only video we have shows it down the halls, doesn't show the actual cell, doesn't show the actual door to the cell block,

has the floor near it.

That's all we have.

It's not great, but we're not sure.

That's the way they set it up.

Right.

Instead, it was, this is proof.

Yeah.

And then you see and you're like, well, wait a minute.

No, it's not.

It's not proven.

It doesn't prove that he was murdered, but it doesn't prove the opposite either.

It proves nothing.

It just proves that there were people there walking around nearby that did it, but you can't even see the staircase fully

up until the door.

It proved nothing.

And so I understand if you happen to be someone who's more engaged in this story than maybe I am, why you'd be concerned.

I get it.

I don't understand why you'd be like, I'm fully satisfied.

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You ever stopped talking to a family member over politics?

No.

I never have.

I just try to stop talking about politics.

Yes, exactly.

You cut off relationships.

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Right.

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Again, again with the gun control thing, because that's the only thing that solves this problem is to take guns out of the hands of law-abiding citizens.

That's the only thing that'll work, Stu.

Really?

Yeah, it's the only thing.

Just take every gun from every person, and then everything will be fine.

It's happened in every other country in the world except for ours.

No, it's not

accurate.

If we'd finally do it here, then this would almost be nirvana in this country.

Really?

Well, wouldn't we still be racists?

Well,

I don't think it's a transphobic.

Not without the guns.

Wouldn't Wouldn't we still be phobe phobes?

We might be phobophobes.

Okay.

We might be afraid of fear.

I'm not sure.

Okay.

But

I think we'd be less afraid because there wouldn't be so many scary guns around.

Have you seen what an AR-15, a weapon of war, looks like?

Have you seen?

I have.

Frightened.

Actually, chilling.

Oh, my God.

I have to say,

at one point in my life, I owned one.

Oh, wow.

Yeah.

Oh, wow.

Now, I don't know if you've got a faith.

Now, I lost a person like that.

Terrible boating accident.

Interesting.

Yeah, it was a very deep lake.

What lake was it?

Because you should go look for it.

I looked really, really hard for it.

And you couldn't find it.

And could not find it.

In fact, I can't even find the lake now.

Oh, weird.

I don't know if it's global warming, but maybe it dried up.

Oh, wow.

Well, then you'd find the gun pretty easily, I think.

You'd think, but I can't even find the lake now, Pat.

That's the.

Then how are you going to get the gun?

You can.

You can.

You can.

So that's gone.

But as a person who wants to own one of these, they're not actually all weapons of war that are used for murder.

In fact, almost all of them aren't.

This is a tough thing.

It was.

My previous show, I do show Studos America, as you know, on Blaze TV.

I didn't know that.

It's on the same network as Pat Gray Unleashed.

Now you probably hear from it.

It's not at the same time, though.

It is not Unleashed.

No, it is not.

But the show I did previous to that that was called

The Wonderful World of Stew.

Right.

And that show, the very first episode, was about rifles and how evil and scary they are.

And we were trying to.

Are some of them black?

I mean, like they look black and sort of metallic.

Yes, they're very scary.

Those are scary looking.

When they're black, that means and they're metallic looking.

Yeah.

That means they're assault weapons.

That's how you know.

Yeah.

Because they look scary.

Because if they were wooden, if they had like a wood stock on it, then

they're not scary at all because that's a deer rifle and you just shoot deer with it, right?

You can't shoot any other living organism with it, you just deer.

Or if it's like a shotgun, that's totally fine.

You just take that out in front of your porch there, to shoot it up in the air and say, just get a shotgun.

Just get a shotgun.

Right.

Just get a shotgun.

And it works.

Just get a shotgun.

And everything's fine.

It's all you do.

But the first episode we did of that show was a,

we tried to illustrate how rare it is for a

rifle to be used in a crime.

Yeah.

Okay.

And the way that we illustrated that is we filled a kiddie pool with rice

and painted one grain of the rice

black or red.

I can't remember which color we used, to just show you how rare it is to find a rifle that's actually used in a crime.

And it's like a whole kiddie pool filled with rice, and there's look one grain of there that's painted another color.

It was hard to, you know, of course, it was hard to even find it.

It's a great illustration.

Yeah, but it's it's so dramatic.

And you want to take all of those other grains of rice and get rid of them.

All those people who are using those weapons for fine purposes, or, you know, frankly, like I would imagine it, because I know at one point before your boating accident, you also had one of these weapons of war.

Probably how yours is used, which is it sits somewhere, right?

And you don't do anything with it most of the time.

Right.

You probably

rarely even take it to the range

as much as you probably should.

So

it's just insultingly stupid to say the way to solve a problem

where you have one out of hundreds of thousands of people that will do something and the solution is to take the weapons away from the other hundreds of thousands of people.

It's just stupid.

It's a dumb solution.

Everyone would know that.

Well, Jacob Fry, the mayor of Minneapolis,

keeps citing the statistic that there are more guns than people in America.

That's probably true.

I don't know.

It is true.

And also, when you say that, you have to say America.

Yes.

You can't say America when you give that stat.

There are more guns than people in America.

Okay.

Amen.

So it's, is it 393 million, I think, is the number he's citing for 326 million Americans.

Americans.

Americans.

Because

I would honestly probably would have used the number 400 million off the top of of my head.

So he's maybe even slightly lower

than the numbers I've heard.

And if that's the case and you have

a couple of shootings from people who are deranged and mentally disturbed,

it's such an infinitesimal number that

you're almost making the pro-gun case there, aren't you?

I mean,

that's exactly not what he's trying to do, but it is what he is doing.

If you were really to sit and think about it,

most,

the vast majority, almost universally, people use their weapons for

range firing, for hunting, for

in case somebody invades their home,

in case the government ever goes bad on us, in case there's an invasion from outside the country.

I mean, that's why you have a gun.

There's a whole bunch of different reasons.

But it doesn't matter why you have a gun because the Second Amendment allows you to.

Yeah, it also doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter.

That is a tough thing for people to get their arms around.

It is.

You know, it's on the left.

What do you mean?

Again, you can try to amend the Constitution to change that.

Even that would be

quite the process.

Good luck, I will say.

Because even if you succeeded with that, then you're in a situation with a country with 400 million guns where many

are not going to give them to you.

They're not going to just willingly show up and turn them over at the local Home Depot for their collection point like it's the holidays.

Even if you do a buyback.

People aren't going to sell them back to you.

What if you had someone who was dressed as Santa out in front and they were ringing a bell and they said, bring your guns.

Would people do it then?

Yeah, no.

No, they won't.

No.

Under no circumstances would most Americans turn in their gun.

There's just no way.

I mean, I guess they tried that in Australia and I guess some of them did.

Oh, yeah, some of them did.

Supposedly now, I was just reading yesterday,

more Australians have guns now than they did before the ban.

Don't do this to me.

You're goading me, aren't you?

You're goading me

into this because this is one of the most frustrating things.

It's just a really stupid point to bring up the Australia situation.

And a lot of times we'll focus on, well, there's cultural differences.

Another issue is Australia doesn't have a Second Amendment.

Right.

Kind of a key point here.

Australia does not have a Second Amendment to protect gun owners.

So it's a totally different thing.

But if you really wanted to go down this road, let's just, can we just for a moment act as if we don't have a Second Amendment and act as if we are going to implement the

rules of Australia?

Let's say we just did it.

We went through the Australian program, applied it as it applied in Australia.

What would the effects be here in the United United States of America?

Now, in Australia, they bought back 650,000 to a million guns was the estimate of that policy.

650,000 to a million guns, which is somewhere between 20 and 35% of all guns.

Okay.

Now,

there are 400 million guns in the United States.

I ran these numbers a few years ago when it was only 310 million.

But to confiscate that many guns, you're talking about, at this time, it was between 60 million and 100 million guns you're confiscating, you're buying back.

Okay.

Now, first of all,

it would be higher now.

It would be like 80 to 120 million.

Let's just say 100 million guns for argument's sake.

The cost of that program is large.

Yeah.

Just starting there,

just the cost of a program like that is massively large.

You might notice that from the word buy.

Buy.

You're buying it back.

So you're buying it back.

So somebody's paying for that.

And it's you.

It's taxpayers.

So we're putting ourselves, I mean, I don't, you know, I haven't run these numbers, but it's a lot of money.

A lot.

It's also a lot for you.

The AR-15 cost me because I bought it at the height of craziness.

But it was like $1,200 or $1,300 or $1,400.

I don't even think that's that.

I wouldn't get that back for it.

Well, you bought it in a time of craziness because people really desired those weapons at that time.

It was around 2020, if I remember right.

Because there was a lot of gun confiscation talk, and so people were out getting their guns guns in case that happened.

However, there's been five years of inflation since then.

Yeah.

So I don't know what the average price of an AR-15 is, but they're not all AR-15s.

Most of them are handguns.

Yeah.

But 100 million guns,

you know, times what, I don't know, a few hundred bucks, whatever.

I mean, you're $20.

$200.

Yeah.

The numbers here get really large really fast, right?

Yeah, you're

billions and billions and billions of dollars, obviously.

Now, I know we do that.

We spend that on like a bridge to nowhere all the time.

So maybe that wouldn't intimidate you, and maybe that wouldn't be a reason to not do this policy.

However, first of all, completely unconstitutional, as you may know.

Once you get past the constitutional concerns and the cost of the 100 million guns,

Even if you successfully got those 100 million guns off the street, you would still have a little problem with 300 million guns still in the street, which is the same number of guns that were on the street when I initially did this monologue years ago.

And so you'd just be putting yourself back into a period where they were already asking for the Australian rules.

This is like, I think, 2016 when I first ran these numbers.

So it would be the time when you're talking about Hillary Clinton running for president.

You just go back to that time when they were already bitching about this, right?

There's too many guns on the streets.

Think about that and how difficult that would be.

Now, when you look at the actual effect of this policy, which would be another answer, so it's a policy that is not possible in the United States constitutionally.

It is a policy that would cost far too much that no one would ever approve it.

It would not be successful because there would still be hundreds of millions of guns on the street anyway, so it wouldn't even solve the problem.

But if you look at this and you say, well, look, maybe we could at least get the results of Australia and what happened when they did it.

Did it work for Australia?

A study from the University of Melbourne concluded that, quote, there is little evidence to suggest that the Australian mandatory gun buyback program had any significant effect in firearm homicides.

Another study concluded, quote, the gun buyback and restrictive legislative changes had no influence on firearm homicide in Australia.

Which is the opposite of what this stupid Minneapolis mayor has been spewing the last few days.

Right.

No, well, one of the ways they do this, they try to rework this, is to say that gun violence is lower than at the time they implemented the policy.

And there is some truth to that.

The problem with it is it had been in a long period of decrease before the policy came in.

So

the trajectory of the drop in violence, which had existed for a decade plus before

this policy was ever implemented, just continued.

Yeah, it had gone from something like 2.4

gun deaths per 100,000 people or something to 1.8 or 9.

And that was a pretty significant drop at the time.

And so it was, like you said, already dropping.

And they did it anyway.

So they took the guns away from people when they didn't even need to.

Because

society had just calmed down from whatever high they were on

to where they existed.

And I think 1998 is when they implemented that, wasn't it?

Wasn't it 98, 97, 98?

Yeah, it was in that area.

Yeah, 96 was the mass shooting that caused this.

And again, always a good way to make policy, an emotional reaction to a trend.

Emotions are high.

Always the best way to do it.

It's like when you go shopping, you want to go at your hungriest.

You're hungriest, right?

Yeah, exactly.

So you buy absolutely

everything you look at.

Yeah, that's the best way to do it.

You always make the best decisions.

By the way, we should also note it wasn't just a buyback program.

Again, they are always talking about, hey, we should implement the Australia policy.

Let me just give you a little outline of what the policy actually was.

It prohibited automatic and semi-automatic assault rifles, so banned them completely.

Made it tougher to get a license.

Auto and semi-auto.

Yes.

Wow.

Kind of a major thing.

Tightened ownership rules.

Think about this with our Constitution.

So you can have a revolver, essentially.

Basically, that's it, right?

Think about this part of it with the Constitution, Pat.

What does our Constitution say?

You have a right to defend yourself.

You have have a right for a firearm.

You have a...

Again, I know it's not the exact wording, but this is what has been ruled on the Supreme Court over and over and over again.

What this policy and the policy they're telling you they want says, you had to demonstrate to the government a, quote, genuine need for a firearm.

Yeah.

Wow.

Wow.

And you also had to do the gun buyback and take a mandatory firearm safety course.

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Here's why I need a weapon.

I have to demonstrate a genuine need so that the government can tell me my right to own a firearm is okay.

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It's Pat and Stew for Glenn today.

I think gun enthusiasts might find this fun.

Mayor Jacob Fry talking about guns yesterday.

This is cut two.

Here's what he had to say about guns, because he's a brilliant expert on the subject.

What is the action that you think politicians need to take in light of what has happened here and what happens in schools and public areas across the country right now?

Mass shootings are almost daily occurrence.

Almost daily.

I'm a mayor and I operate in the reality business.

And the reality is that we have more guns in America than we have people.

There it is again.

The reality is that

we have these assault rifles that can reel off 30 clips in conjunction with

a magazine before the person even needs to reload.

The reality is

so embarrassing.

They can rattle off 30 clips in conjunction with the magazine.

What the hell did you even say there?

Are you talking about

bullets?

Are you mixing up bullets with clips and magazines?

I I don't know.

I don't even know what he's trying to say there,

but it's

pathetic.

They never take the time to understand it.

Why is that?

Why?

You would think as often as this has come up and as opposed to guns as they are, they might learn what they're talking about because they're going to be on national television crying about it all the time.

At least know what you're talking about.

Can't you, please?

By all that is holy.

It's like bringing Glenn Beck on TV to describe a matchup zone.

That's exactly what it is.

Yes.

It's like, it's not going to know.

And like, he might know basically what defense kind of is.

Yeah,

he might hesitate

the ball as orange.

That's really bad.

Right.

Like, but that's it.

Yeah, that's about it.

And that's what they know.

And that's what they know.

And they come.

Guns bad.

That's what they know.

Right.

What it doesn't.

Man.

And you're right, and it's a great point.

The idea that there's more guns than people, and we have gun shooting shootings like this so infrequently indicates the opposite point.

Yes, that most people don't do these things.

This is

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We've been discussing the shooting and the coverage of the shooting and, of course, the hysteria that

always follows one of these events.

And here's just a look at what's happening on mainstream media right now.

Federal law enforcement identifying the shooter as Robin Westman, formerly known as Robin Westman, formerly known as Robert, but filed for a name change in 2019 to use female pronouns.

For the first time, we are now learning who that shooter is.

The minor child, quote, identifies as a female and wants her name to reflect that.

She identifies as a female.

So let's go ahead and do that.

She wants to make sure that identification was underage.

It's now Robin.

Robin Westman, 23 years old.

When you have mass shooting investigations so often, there is a pattern.

I think police are trying to get after that tonight.

You know, you see obviously some real clues here as to what a motive could be, but they're not saying formally what it is yet.

We don't have a motive at this time.

It's unclear what the motive was.

Again, there's just nothing specific in the evidence that's been recovered.

There's no information, nothing specific to identify a specific motive.

But they'll be continuing to talk to people to see if there was a flag, if something may have popped up that they can look into.

There's no clear motive, and that's what we want to know.

Was this a revenge shooting?

Because there were prior affiliations to the school.

Is this notoriety?

The shooter identified, we are told, as female, legally changed their name from Robert to Robin.

There's no connection yet from that to the motive.

I don't believe that

how the shooter identifies currently in this investigation right now

is of significant importance.

Of course, calling on people to quote, stop villainizing the trans community after learning that the suspect who was born male identified as female.

Oh my gosh.

It goes on and on and on.

On and on and on.

It's so predictable.

It's stunning in its predictability.

It is.

But they're trying not to dead name

the dead perpetrator of this heinous event.

And you're trying to respect their pronouns afterwards.

Is that incredible?

It's incredible.

And I will say I'm a bit conflicted on it myself.

Let me ask you this, Pat.

Write the first story of without using...

I hate that they use the name even in those clips.

But

without using the...

Try not to do that.

Yeah.

Without using the name of the person.

you, how would you refer, if you were writing a news story today, how would you refer to the person?

Him.

Just straight out him.

Yep.

Yes.

Because the thing I'm...

I'm going to play their game.

Yeah.

And

I really do sympathize with that argument, obviously.

I feel, though, it doesn't capture the situation entirely.

It's not just a guy who did this.

Yeah.

I would say the enemy is transgender or trans-identifying.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I wouldn't mention that because it's worth mentioning since it's happened multiple, multiple times.

I think if you just call a guy you lose that you have i think you have to include that there there are five absolute uh trans shootings in the last seven years but there's more like 12 to 15 that are kind of in that

community

um and

you're not supposed to mention any of it though especially with such a small percentage of the population we're talking about you know

It's very, very tight.

Again, it's the same way that overwhelmingly people with AR-15s do not do this.

The same thing you'd say about the trans community.

Obviously, overwhelmingly, they're not doing these types of things.

But

it is,

when it comes to the proportion of the population, a little shocking that we've had this.

Disproportionate.

And if it was disproportionate with Irish people, you know, they would mention it.

They wouldn't have any problem with that.

But because it's part of the LGBTQ community, you're not supposed to even bring it up.

But I think it's worth mentioning because there's obviously a problem there.

You're talking about people who don't even understand what gender they are or have a lot of confusion about that.

And so there might be an issue to begin with that's underlying.

You know,

if you have people who can't figure out what gender they are, there's a chance that there are some underlying issues.

Aren't there?

I would think so.

The AMA until 2017 believed it to be a mental disorder, but I guess now it's magically not.

So we cured it?

You would cure it.

Wow.

We should do that with cancer.

We should.

What if we just say it's not a disease?

Right?

Then all of a sudden, we'll have cured cancer.

That's how Joe Biden could have done it.

Remember, he promised he was going to cure cancer if he was elected.

You can check out, by the way, if he has accomplished this feat at hasjoebidencuredcancer.com.

He could still be working on it.

It's been a while since I've checked.

I have to say

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Has Joe Biden cured cancer.com?

No.

Cancer still exists.

Darn it.

What if he was on the verge of it when he had to drop out of the election?

I think a second term, he would have nailed it.

I think a second term he would have definitely had it cured.

He was so close.

But he's not going to get that opportunity.

No, because of evil Donald Trump.

Yeah.

You know,

that's the thing.

I think it would be

a smart step for our nation

to consider the reality of the situations we deal with.

I feel like it would be something, an appropriate move.

And it's a little bit of a redirect from our current path, but I think it's a good idea to deal in reality.

What?

And yeah, no, I know.

I've been thinking about this a little bit past.

That's revolutionary.

I always think this is a flippant thing.

I've been thinking about this.

Have you really?

Yeah.

Okay.

I think.

Be careful now.

Please.

And if you feel me going too far, please

feel you back in.

I think

we should consider

the factual

climate of any particular issue we're talking about and deal with it within that factual climate.

I believe

give me an example of what you're talking about.

For example,

if you're a male,

and I am, we should refer to.

I identify as a male.

No, that's not what I'm asking.

No, no, you just

are you actually just a male, or were you born a female and now are identifying as a male?

To my knowledge,

no, no, I was born.

You were there, but you

have

I was assigned male at birth,

and I continue to identify as such.

Okay.

Okay.

So you've been pretty consistent on that the entire time.

Apparently.

My argument would be we should always be consistent on it.

Now, if you have a

person.

We don't have separate roles for people who identify themselves differently.

Because here's the thing.

I'm told all the time that Republicans, conservatives just have no faith in the medical profession.

They don't care about

science deniers, right?

Yeah, yeah.

But like, here's one thing.

I really do have faith in that community to figure out if a boy is a boy and a girl is a girl.

Like, I'm really confident that doctors are able to do that at birth.

They're like really good at it.

Wow.

Like, I think they nail it.

Is that an every time?

No.

No.

I think they're just really talented.

Okay.

I assume through lots of research.

But like, well, they have degrees and stuff.

Yeah.

And you know what, Pat?

It's not even a huge process.

Like, it's not even, you think hours, weeks, months of trying to figure out if it's important.

It's just tell right away, for instance.

This is a whole thing.

I don't want to get into it.

I'm not a doctor.

I don't want to speak to this.

I don't want to sound like these people talking about guns.

But you don't have to find the XX chromosome and the XY chromosome.

You don't have to do that part.

There's outward indications.

Really?

Yeah.

And they are able to just kind of like eyeball it and tell immediately.

which one it is.

Are you sure of that?

You know, a lot of people aren't, but I

am.

I have that sort of confidence in our medical system that doctors, with their eyeballs, are able to tell whether a boy is a boy and a girl is a girl.

So that assignment that they make at birth.

So the doctors assign it.

Yes.

Yes, they look at you and they assign it.

They assign it, they project it onto you.

And when they do that, they do it with 100% accuracy.

Wow.

Yeah.

That's really incredible when you think about it.

That is.

In fact, never

miss.

They never just think, oh, gosh, that's a girl, and they say boy.

Now, I guess there could be paperwork errors.

Maybe someone checks the wrong box, but they are able in each instance to detect in immediate detail which one of the two it is.

How would you correct something like that if you did make a paperwork error?

For instance, you assign

a baby as female when that baby is actually male.

How would you prove that?

How would you prove that?

Is there a way?

Yeah.

I mean, to just eyeball it and just- Yeah,

they'll catch that almost immediately.

Oh, wow.

Yeah, because someone will say, wait a minute.

Just modern technology.

I just looked at my baby.

The moms and dads, by the way, who are not medical professionals, somehow have this gift to also detect these same things.

Staggering.

It's incredible.

Yeah.

What a miracle that moms and dads are somehow, even before modern science had come along, were able to tell whether they had a boy or a girl.

It is, it's one of those inexplicable miracles of parenthood.

You know, they talk about like parents have like a sixth sense,

you know, mother's intuition.

And this is part of it, though.

Somehow, they were able to noodle this one out.

Okay.

And they, and by the way, they get it right every time.

Every time?

Every single time.

What about these parents that are waiting for the child to recognize what gender they are?

And they're going to be told by the child.

Those parents?

Those parents.

They're lying.

Oh.

They know which one it is.

Oh, really?

They're just lying.

Okay.

It's incredible, though.

It is incredible.

What an amazing world we live in.

Yeah, it really is.

It really is.

And it's amazing that we don't have a motive for this person

that's been assigned to this particular shooting.

Here is acting U.S.

attorney on the shooter and their hate.

The shooter left behind hundreds of pages of writings.

Writings that describe the shooter's plan,

writings that describe the shooter's mental state.

Love that they don't name it.

And more than anything, writings that describe the shooter's hate.

Pure, indiscriminate hate.

Yep.

The shooter expressed hate towards almost every group unmanageable.

The shooter expressed hate towards black people.

The shooter expressed hate towards Mexican people.

The shooter expressed hate towards Christian people.

The shooter expressed hate towards Jewish people.

In short, the shooter appeared to hate all of us.

The shooter's heart was full of hate.

There appears to be only one group that the shooter didn't hate.

One group of people who the shooter admired.

The group were the school shooters and mass murderers that are notorious in this country.

The shooter idolized some of the most notorious school shooters and mass murderers in our country's history.

I won't name them.

Wow.

I won't name the shooter.

Good.

They don't deserve to have their names

remembered.

Good job.

Exactly right.

Excellent.

That's exactly the same.

That's the way to do that press conference.

Yep.

And that's true, by the way.

His writings were

filled with hate on pretty much everybody.

And some people have talked about him as a nihilist, which is, I don't know that it's technically accurate, but like, you know, in a colloquial sense, I think is a pretty okay way to describe the guy.

But he, you know,

I think if you would look at the overwhelming majority of it, you'd see a lean certainly toward the left.

I mean, wanting to kill a Republican president as an indication of that.

But I wouldn't say he is the,

for example, the guy who tried to kill Trump at the golf course, like straight out left-wing ideologue.

Right.

That guy was, I think,

in a clearer way than this particular guy.

But, you know, if you're looking at leanings, I think it's pretty clear.

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Sure.

How do you feel about the people who are trying to convince Trump, Donald Trump, our president, to run for another term?

Do you love it?

I love it.

Steve Bannon is bragging right now about, see, I told you that the third term, people are going to be behind a third term, and apparently they are.

According to a new poll, Republican voters now

support President Trump running for a third term, 53 to 47%.

Please stop.

That's where I'm at on this.

Oh, I'm.

Please stop.

I am

in line with the Constitution on this one.

Yes.

As amended.

Well, see,

that's my question.

It's not a criticism of Trump.

It's not a, hey, I don't think he'd be good in another term.

I mean, sure, he'd be the same that he is now, but it is not something that is available in our system.

Yeah, because what part of unconstitutional are you not getting here?

I just don't think a lot lot of people care about it.

But we're supposed to be the people who respect and revere the U.S.

Constitution.

Not the ones who laugh at and disregard it.

I certainly agree with you on that.

I don't know that there is definitely an element of,

even on the right, I think that it's just like, you know, that's an old dusty document.

That is permeated a little bit on the right.

Not overwhelmingly, but I think there.

And I think, too, a lot of people just think ⁇ we were talking about something else

earlier today that I had the exact same thought.

Like a lot of times people just don't think about that.

I guess.

They don't think about the Constitution.

They think about would this be good or not?

And if they might say, hey, if I like Trump, it would be good.

But there's more to it in this particular case.

And you're playing into the fear-mongering of the left.

You know, and here's the thing, too.

There are other conservatives who would be great for the job.

You got your J.D.

Vance and Marco Rubio, and

darn it, I'm going to say it, Ron DeSantis,

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It doesn't have to be Trump until the end of time.

Jeb Bush.

Now, see, I hadn't taught him yet

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Stu, you mentioned earlier off-air, something that I was kind of intrigued by.

And that's that in your feed, there's a car guy that comes up,

talks about cars.

Yes.

All kinds of cars or just Chinese cars.

All kinds of cars.

I follow a bunch of people who do like YouTube car reviews.

It's one of those things that went on.

Yeah, I'm interested in those too.

I don't know.

I like it.

And so there's this one guy.

I don't know who he is, but he pops up and he's often reviewing in the YouTube shorts

electric cars from China.

Okay.

Which you would think would be really bad.

I would think that is

that is exactly.

China's not known for their auto manufacturing.

No.

I will say, watching

this situation play out and watching a lot of these reviews, they look pretty cool.

A lot of them do.

A lot of them look good.

A lot of them are really fast.

A lot of them have really incredible tariffs.

Do you remember the name of the company?

But they're not sold in the U.S., right?

Right.

Well, I guess technically they could be sold in the U.S.

The tariffs on them are really, really high.

This isn't even a Trump issue.

This was actually the tariffs were put on by Biden.

I think it was 125% tariffs on electric cars from China.

It's really, really high to the point that you couldn't.

125%.

Yeah, you couldn't import it.

Now,

this is affecting not just Chinese car makers, but also...

Like, for example, Lotus, you know, the car company Lotus from the UK.

They're a British car maker.

They make and have forever made really tiny sports cars that are very light and fast, but not and gas-powered.

They opened up a giant factory in

China.

I can't remember.

I think they were purchased as well.

But anyway,

their new line of cars is all being made in China, and you basically can't import them here because of the tariffs being really, really high on those vehicles.

And you kind of understand why that happened, right?

China is an enemy.

Yes.

An adversary, if you will.

And we have a burgeoning electric car industry industry in this country.

And

it was quite clearly a protectionist measure, right?

Like we were protecting our auto

industry and trying to hurt the Chinese auto industry.

Didn't want to give them access to our markets.

But they apparently have a pretty cool innovation, it sounds like.

with their EVs, right?

Well, this is what kind of struck me, Pat, because I was thinking about back in the day, right?

The Soviets would be,

they're living their lives on a day-to-day basis and have absolutely no idea what the outdoor world looks like.

And to the extent of it where, you know, Yeltsin comes to the United States and goes to a grocery store and is like, holy crap, the row of hamburgers they have here.

Yeah.

He was overwhelmed.

Yeah, it was honestly a turning point in the Cold War, arguably, like where they realized, wait a minute, we'd been told America was so bad and terrible.

And then we see what they actually have.

and they're amazing.

Obviously, it's not to that extent now, but there's some weird thing going on now in the world of

electric cars where I don't know.

I've just always kind of assumed everything that China was making was garbage.

It was garbage.

Maybe they come up with a cheaper version of something that we're doing.

It's not going to be as nice as the stuff we're doing.

Because the perception is, and it's, I think it's in large part reality.

It's that any technology they do have, they stole from us.

Because in a lot of cases, they have.

They have.

The industrial espionage that China commits on the United States is staggering.

Yeah, and that's

true.

Although I also assumed, like, you know, they just didn't have the same standards that we would have.

There's that too, yeah.

And, like, we obviously buy lots of products from China.

Usually they're fine.

I mean, you know, some of it is fine.

You know, I'm trying to get it.

Depending on what it is.

Right.

A lot of it's trash.

Obviously,

there's a lot of T-Mu jokes out there that you could make.

So I, you know, but like, yeah, some of the stuff they use is fine, but it's usually been lower-level stuff.

Now, obviously, they have a big part in making the iPhone, for example, or have until recently.

But again, that's American technology.

American technology, right?

It just happens to be assembled there.

What's happening with Chinese electric vehicles is that they are building all these and dominating the global markets, and we're not seeing any of them.

We have no awareness, even really, of what they're doing there.

The video that you mentioned that I saw the other day is they now have

an electric vehicle charger in China.

It's not widespread.

They're just starting with it.

That will charge your electric vehicle from 0 to 60% in five minutes.

Five minutes.

Five minutes.

I've mentioned many times on the year that when you can recharge the vehicle, the EV, in about the same amount of time.

As a gas station stop,

then I'm in.

Totally reasonable request for an American consumer, right?

Yes.

You don't want to sit there for 45 minutes or an hour while your car recharges.

And And there are some fast chargers here that do a decent job.

You know, it might be 15 or 20 minutes.

But not five minutes.

Five minutes, zero to 60%, I think it is.

Wow.

And, you know, it is

incorrect.

Like, it's not technology that we have here in the United States at all at this point.

China is the only place that has it.

And you get to that place where you start thinking, gosh, is that...

I don't want to get to a place where we aren't even aware of this stuff.

Like, I want to know.

I want to make those decisions.

I want us to beat them.

That's what I want.

Me too.

I want a playing field that we go out on

and we dominate them.

That's what I want.

It's super like, yes, the flag is flowing right now.

And when the playing field is level, I think we do dominate them.

I think we do.

Virtually all the time.

And that's why they steal things from us.

And that's why they've got this extensive espionage network

in

industry.

They've infiltrated our university system.

They've infiltrated our industries.

And they just

it's a well-known fact that most of what they got and most of what they have, they stole from us.

And it doesn't feel like a thing we should encourage.

Right.

And that's why I was upset with President Trump announcing that

they're going to allow 600,000 Chinese students into American universities.

Now, he speaks imprecisely at times.

You might have noticed that.

I don't know.

So I don't know if that means right away over 10 or 20 years.

Are you talking about all foreign students and you're just including Chinese in that?

I don't know.

But maybe we're going to allow 600,000 foreign students total and the Chinese will be part of that.

They're not going to be part of that.

Right now, they make up, I don't know, between 250,000 and 300,000.

It's still a pretty big number.

It's a big number.

It's way too big for my money.

So I don't know if he's doubling that with.

the allowances or if that's just part of all foreign students.

Either way, it's a bad bad idea.

I don't think we should allow the number of students that are here to begin with because of the espionage thing.

Yeah.

I also think like the theory behind this, right, is not just like, hey, you know, the left-wing, everyone deserves to be here type of thing, right?

The theory of it is you're taking the best students from around the world and they come here and make us better, which is an understandable theory.

But what seems to happen, especially

with Chinese students, is they come here,

they learn from our universities, they take innovations, technologies, and just bring them back to China.

I almost feel like if you're going to do this, if you're going to have people imported, you almost have to have some sort of culpability for the companies and the universities that bring them in.

Like, there should be

some sort of understanding that these students, if they're going to come here, and they're going to benefit us in that way, should be required to stay if if we want them to if we should be required to work at an american company you know maybe they are the responsible kind of like helping get something out of it yeah you're getting something out of it so should we but we've

that's america first like you'd think that would be america first if it actually helps us fine right if it doesn't no and we've kind of been conditioned it seems over the years the the prior to president trump years to believe that we shouldn't ask anything about people right uh of the people that come here um legally or illegally.

Every country on earth asks something about their immigrants.

Like, what are you going to bring to us?

It's great.

Yes, we know we have a lot to offer, but what do you bring to us?

That's something you should consider.

So,

I don't know.

I don't know that we're doing that.

So, would you be against this increase?

I'm definitely against it.

Yeah, it doesn't seem to make a lot of sense.

I don't understand it.

He said it's really important.

I don't know why.

He didn't really explain that part of it, but he mentioned multiple times when he made the announcement

that it was important for us to do this.

Why?

You know, one of the tough things with President Trump, I think for the average person, and honestly, even us, I think, at some level, to really

understand when he makes public comments like this is

so often the comments he makes publicly are not aimed at us.

They are aimed at the Chinese government he's currently negotiating a trade deal with, right?

That's true.

He is thinking, he's thinking, hey, we need to get X done to get that done.

I can say this.

You know, he does this all the time with Russia and Ukraine.

You know, he'll one day say

that

Vladimir Zelensky is the worst guy in the world, and the next day he's the best guy in the world.

What does that mean?

Did he change?

No.

The Intel one's even better, Pat.

Like two days before we got 10% of Intel, he was saying this guy needed to step down.

He was incompetent.

He was corrupt, and he should be fired.

And then two days later, I just entered a deal with Intel.

This is the most amazing CEO in the world.

Like, it's like, it's none of those things mean anything.

Like, he,

the Intel guy wasn't the worst guy in the world, and he isn't the best guy in the world.

He's just a guy.

And, you know, what to Donald Trump, like, he's always in negotiation.

And it's very important for the average person to understand he's not in negotiation with you.

He's not even talking to you.

He's saying it publicly so you hear it, but he's talking to somebody else.

And

I think there is a legitimate argument to be made that that is

a tough

thing to deal with as a voting populace.

Like we are used to one way of doing business, which is people say things to us for us.

And we oftentimes read into these things like, wait a minute, he's saying this, and what does that mean?

It may very well mean that no Chinese students are going to ever come, right?

It could easily mean the exact opposite.

It could.

Because he's trying to, at this point, sweet talk President Xi.

And then next week, he might be tough on President Xi, and that might be what he believes is the best thing for the country and for what he wants to get done.

And so he will say the opposite.

I mean, we've seen it with North Korea.

I mean, Kim Jong-un was his best friend.

And then he was our worst.

Actually, it started off a worst enemy.

We were going to blow them up.

We were saying we're going to rain down fire like no one has ever seen.

And then he's like, hey, want to hang out and watch some NBA?

Like, it was like

a two-week period.

Yeah.

And, like, what are you supposed to take out of that?

Are you supposed to take out of that that President Trump is, you know, deranged and can't make up his mind?

That's what the media wants you to take out of that.

Yeah.

Like, can you believe this guy?

He's saying this and then he's saying that.

They were doing that with the tariffs.

With the tariffs.

Right.

All during springtime.

And off and back and forth.

And look at what happened.

In a lot of cases, he got what he wanted, right?

They all came to the table and they changed their deals.

And you can have a discussion as to whether you think what he wanted was the best thing.

But that doesn't mean

you should be able to detect at this point what he's doing.

If you care about politics, if you care about what he's doing, if you care about the country, if you care about what the president is trying to communicate, you should realize this is his goal.

His goal is almost never speaking to us and saying what he means to us.

Like

he does get to that at times, but on a day-to-day basis, with

almost never, actually, that's an overstatement, but with statements like this,

his goal is not to convince us we need 600,000 Chinese students in the country.

I don't think that's what his goal is.

His goal is something else.

We don't know what it is, maybe even yet.

And that's hard for, I think, Americans to deal with because that's how we've been taught things are done.

But that's just not the way he does it.

And I don't know.

This is term two.

At some point, figure it out.

I don't know.

It's hard to help people who can't even recognize that very basic thing.

And the Democrats refuse to recognize that very basic thing.

And the media doesn't know.

They don't do it.

The Democrats know it, but they find advantage in acting like they don't know it.

They find advantage in

taking everything he says as if it's gospel and that he's not negotiating and

going along with it because they can come up with this sort of like plausible deniability that allows them to make him into Orange Hitler guy.

Yeah.

All right.

Yesterday,

we had some, we had a little conversation, I think around this time yesterday, about Alec Baldwin.

I don't remember why it was he came up, but he did.

And we've got some breaking news, I believe, on the Alec Baldwin front, do we not?

We do.

We should cover this.

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One of the things we mentioned concerning Alec Baldwin yesterday was that phone call he made to his daughter a long time ago.

It was like, I don't know, 2007, maybe, when he called Ireland.

And she was.

He didn't call the country of Ireland.

No, he called his daughter Ireland, who was 11 at the time, or 12, or 9, or however old you are.

He didn't really even know the age of his daughter, but he berated her.

Like, I don't think I've ever heard from a father to a daughter.

It's awful.

And called her a thoughtless, rude little pig.

And then

afterwards, you found out something interesting.

An incredible update.

I torture myself and try to flip through the New York Times to prepare for this show.

And I'm flipping through, and can you give me the headline of this?

A glowing feature story.

Look at the picture, Pat, of the Baldwins.

Oh, wow.

Malek and what is it, Hilaria or something like that?

Baldwin.

And, you know, a massive picture spread.

This is a spread about their home.

You take a tour of their home

that they bought for multiple millions of dollars and have have renovated multiple times.

It's a house built in the 1700s.

Beautiful home, of course.

Of course.

In the Hamptons.

And they go through and they give you picture after picture after picture after picture of the indoors.

Now, let me pull up,

not

the text.

Do we have a text picture?

It's a photo with text.

Pat, this is from the article.

It says, My daughter Ireland has a great sense of humor.

She sent me

something to commemorate some unusual moment we had had together, said Mr.

Baldwin, who for years hid a grill shaped like a pig

in a small playhouse on the property.

A couple of weeks ago, Ireland, her husband and her daughter came to visit.

Hilaria and Ireland have a similar sense of humor, which is at my expense pretty uniformly.

So we brought it out and cooked on it.

Show the picture of the grill.

It is a grill shaped as a little pig.

Is this rude?

Do we know if

the grill is rude?

But there, yeah, it is a little pig, though.

It is a Traeger Little Pig freestanding pellet grill.

Mr.

Baldwin's 29-year-old daughter, Ireland Baldwin, gave to her father a few years ago as a gift for Father's Day.

That's really funny.

This is a psychotic relationship.

Wow.

The grill was

a jest to a nod to a voicemail message.

Mr.

Baldwin left when she was just 11 years old.

In the viral voicemail, he called her a rude, thoughtless little pig.

Mr.

Baldwin later apologized.

This is in a glowing profile about how beautiful their home is.

Wow.

Isn't that crazy?

That is crazy.

Especially after we just talked about it yesterday, is a story that happened in 2007 or whatever.

We haven't mentioned it in years, and that story comes out today.

By the way, there's another photo.

There's a photo of their indoors where is a giant painting of the wife, Hilaria, in front of a bunch of boxes of rice-arone.

What?

Because

the story was that he loves rice-arone, Alec Baldwin.

and then in the story she says you know I don't think I've ever actually seen you eat rice-a-rone in the story bizarre just another bizarre moment

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I don't give a damn that you're 12 years old or 11 years old

or that your mother is a thoughtless pig ass who doesn't care what you do as far as I'm concerned.

You have humiliated me for the last time this phone.

Just a little

taste.

A little taste.

Of a thoughtless little pig.

Yes.

Yeah.

Wow.

That was beautiful.

What a moment between father and daughter, right?

It just warms the cockles of your heart.

I thought you had your.

It would.

Yeah, it would warm my cockles if I hadn't had them surgically removed years ago, as you know.

Yes.

So, yeah.

I have no cockles.

But for those who have left theirs intact, you know they're warmed right now.

You know that.

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We were talking about the Chinese EVs and the fact that they've got an EV now that apparently recharges.

0 to 60% in five minutes.

Yeah.

So almost the time it takes you to get your gas.

It's about the same.

Seems to me to be pretty obvious eventually this will be possible.

Even if this particular has to be,

in order for it to be

viable for everybody,

it has to get to that point.

Yeah, and it's not like impossible to figure out how to charge batteries faster.

I think it's a matter of cost and, of course, infrastructure, right?

Like eventually,

you know,

I see the Tesla chargers all around town.

Right.

And, you know, they're almost exclusively empty.

You know know i mean i never see anyone at them although we had there's a lot you see a lot of teslas uh but i think most people just recharge at home yeah i think people mostly just recharge at home because it takes so long and it is great this is what kind of like

makes me interested in owning uh one of these things at some point i was recently um entertaining the a purchase of a tesla uh pat um

for a couple different reasons.

Okay.

And I don't know if we talked about this on the air.

I feel like we talked about this a little bit yesterday on the air, but maybe it was off off the air.

So pardon if I'm repeating myself.

But there were,

like, I have kids that play

sports.

My son plays baseball.

We have basically a non-stop carpool going on with him and a couple of his friends to go to, they're on the same team.

And

his two friends that are on the team that I have to cart around are both catchers.

So they have the gigantic catching bags that like I can't fit in my car.

I have to empty out my trunk to fit them.

And I have to put my son's

bag in the back of the car, like in between the two kids to go back and forth to do this.

And it's just annoying and it's not a sensible way to it.

It's not a big enough car for what my needs are.

So I was thinking about maybe switching.

And I thought of a Tesla because,

excuse me,

because

of that space need, they have a lot of storage space.

Obviously, you don't have an engine, a traditional type of engine.

So you have extra storage space in some of them.

Obviously, I could get an SUV if I wanted to, but I kind of like the idea of one

going to his 8 a.m.

baseball games that he has to arrive at 7 on a Sunday.

That's an hour and a half away.

I kind of like the idea of the full self-driving as a little assist with that particular process.

Right.

Also, as you may have noticed over the years living living in Texas, a little warm at times.

I have noticed that from time to time.

Yeah.

And so, obviously, you get into a car and it's really hot.

Like, I got into the car the other day out here in front of the studios, and it was 115 degrees inside the car.

And that's like a little miserable.

Now, they do have auto-start for gas-powered cars.

Mine is a manual transmission, so it does not offer that option.

So I don't know.

Well, you wouldn't anyway, because of climate change, I'm sure, and how conscientious you are about the the environment and the planet.

No,

I would run.

I was thinking the other day, what if I just start the car and leave it going?

The problem is now they have an auto shutoff feature, too,

which they will, if you just idle it for, I don't know, 15 minutes or something like that, it just turns off.

My car does that.

Like a lot of times I'll go and I'll be sitting somewhere, you know, I'll get lunch and I'll be eating it in the car.

So it's like your TV, if you just leave it just turns off, it just turns off, which is really frustrating to me yes me too

if i want the tv off i'll turn it on thanks i'm good at it right i'll turn it off when i'm done with it i'm really excellent at it you don't need to give them up a warning hey are you still watching this yes

then it's none of your business anyway yeah like you're you're just what you're doing when you pop that thing up on my screen is you're just calling me fat that's what you're doing you're saying hey no human being could be sitting as long as you are right

i get what you're doing to me and i don't like it

So I thought of the Tesla.

One of the reasons I really like the idea of the Tesla, and we have a couple people around here that own them,

is you can control that inner temperature to a degree that is not even possible with the auto start feature.

Like it is, you set it up, you want it at 70 degrees, you put it on 70 degrees, it's like a home, right?

It just is the temperature you want it to be when you walk out to it, if you set it up correctly.

And you can control it through an app from indoors.

So I really like that feature a lot.

I'm pretty tempted by it.

So I go,

I've been considering this and I keep backing off because of my same hesitation with electric cars.

I don't think I'm really going to like it.

I don't think I'm really going to like the charging process.

I don't really want to

put in the new electrical equipment in my house to do it.

I have all these hesitations.

What if I want to take a long ride?

What if it doesn't really charge as much as they say?

What if I don't get the mileage that I want?

All those things are crossing my mind.

And I keep thinking to myself, it would be great if I could just try it.

Try it for a month and see if I like it.

And then maybe I trade in my other car for one of these.

So

I

saw a tweet from Tesla, which

basically says, we're introducing a new leasing program in California and Texas only, where you can now lease

used Teslas.

Now, I have been reading a lot about, I'm interested in this.

I've read a lot about the electric car market, particularly the used electric car market, which is what I've

come to understand, a catastrophe.

Like, no one wants to buy a used electric car.

There's nobody who wants to do it.

They're not doing, they're not performing well at all.

And so I can understand why they want to sell a bunch of these things.

But the advertised cost for one of these was like $200 or $300 a month.

And And I was like, well, that's not bad.

You know, that's almost like an extended rental, right?

A 300 bucks a month.

Maybe I try one of these and, you know, and check it out.

So I go to the website, I click on the options, and they have a two-year and a one-year lease.

A one-year lease.

And I was thinking to myself, that's a great option.

I could try this for a year, a few hundred bucks a month.

It will help me.

You know, I can go to the, whenever I need to use it.

If I love it, then maybe I trade my car in and buy a new Tesla at the end of this.

If I don't love it, you know, worst case scenario, it helps me get to a couple of these practices I need to get to, and it's not that big a deal, and it's a little bit of a waste, but not that big a deal.

That's kind of my thought process.

So I

do a bunch of investigation, finally go through and find the electric, used electric vehicle I want to purchase, which, you know, again, as is typical when you go through these processes, I upgraded a little bit.

It went from like the two to $300, like $350 a month or something like that.

So $350 a month and i'm looking at it and it says you have to give them this deposit to get to the next step in the process okay so 350 bucks a month uh do the math there 4200 for a year okay of owning this okay yeah and you know though i'm sure there'll be the fees and stuff or whatever a little bit maybe it's a little higher 380 a month something like that 360.

it's it's usually a little bit more after you go through the process so

i give them the money

I need to give them $2,500.

And then they put me into the leasing process, which is fascinating, Pat, because the second I click on the first thing, it says not $350 a month, but $720 a month.

Oh, wow.

What's the difference?

They want thousands of dollars

when I...

How did that happen, though?

How does that really interesting question?

Yeah.

And they want thousands of dollars when I take you know, when I close on the car, in addition to the 202,000 I've already given mentioned before at the start of this, I don't, I mean, was it mentioned?

They said something about like you know, does not include fees or something like that, but that's a pretty serious fee.

I didn't think it was gonna be double, yeah, okay, yeah.

Well, little did I know, I had underestimated what the costs would be even then because the cost was not double instead of the $4,200, which I had initially

agreed to when I sent the money,

the total cost of ownership for one year of this Tesla, $14,806,

which would come out to over $1,000 a month, more like $1,200, $1,100, $1,200 a month for this Tesla.

Now I am in this situation.

Well, so I go to them and I say, hey, like, this is crazy.

It's close to four times as much as you told me this was going to be.

And I don't want to pay that.

I don't have that much interest in a Tesla.

They tell me

my options are, one, I can cancel my purchase.

Okay.

And I say, okay, that's the best option, right, for me.

I don't want to spend $14,000 for a year of an extra car.

It doesn't make any sense at all.

So I say, I'll cancel it.

I just want to make sure I don't get my refund.

They say, no,

you can't have the refund.

The $2,500 that you've spent to see the price that was four times higher than the price they told me it was going to be is now non-refundable.

What?

Yeah, they won't give it back to me.

That's bad business.

Horrible.

That is bad business.

I don't know.

I can't imagine Elon Musk even knows this stuff goes on, right?

Like, a guy's running a giant, he's running like 15 different companies.

So I can't imagine he has any awareness of this type of stuff.

Unacceptable, though.

But unacceptable.

And I understand, you know, look, there's taxes.

Is that just a scam then to get everybody to give them $2,500 and then they cancel?

And sorry, you're out $2,500.

We just made $2,500.

Well, what it's always been called is bait and switch.

Wow.

Right?

That's what it's always been called.

And I'm not saying, like, I'm sure they have in, you know, paragraph 94

some disclaimer that's going to cover them.

Right, but it's really a terrible way to do business.

Very hard.

I, as a legitimate person, who was doing this to see if I wanted to do business with Tesla in the future, that was my entire goal.

I have had a very clear message sent to me that the answer is no.

Yeah.

Don't do it.

Have you?

I don't know how else to even deal with something like that.

And I kept pestering them.

Eventually, they said they would give me $500 back out of the 250.

Out of the 2,500 I gave them, which was the order fee.

And I was like, well, that's terrible.

That's 20% of the money I gave you.

Right.

And you're not giving me anything.

Jeez.

And then they also say, I said, well, wait a minute.

I am reading the fine print again because now I've really become you know, like Willy Wonka with the fine print.

And I'm really like looking closely.

And it says I have to get rejected

on the lease to get the $500 back.

Now,

I guess I have to now lie about either how much money or how good my credit is because I have to get them to reject my lease application, which I don't want to give them because I don't want the car.

That doesn't make any sense.

They just want the $2,500.

They just want to take my $2,500 for nothing.

For nothing.

Oh, that's terrible business practice.

Unbelievable.

That is terrible.

Why would you?

Have you tweeted about that?

I have not.

I have not.

You need to.

I wasn't even going to talk about it, but now I've been ranting about it on my airframe.

You need to talk about that.

Elon needs to know if he doesn't already.

That's a bad scam.

That's terrible.

And now I have the person on the chat, and I've decided that if they're going to keep my $2,000, I'm getting $2,000 worth of conversation out of this.

I'm just going to keep following up and pestering them with question after question,

request after request.

I'm going to make a friend out of this.

I'm going to make a lifelong relationship

form out of this.

And it's going to be an expensive one.

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Dumping DC's garbage while the swamp cries constitutional crisis.

Back is back after this.

All right, Pat and Stew for Glenn today, 888727 BECK.

Now,

I have an incredible story about the living Nostradamus

who has some predictions for Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey.

And I know you're a big Swifty,

but we could wait until next week to talk about that because I understand there's also something about trains that is on your mind and you love trains.

Well, we did.

We've been talking about amazing new technologies.

Yeah, like trains.

And that's,

this is true.

This just happened.

Get ready, Pat.

We've only had trains for, what, 175 years or so?

Yeah, yeah.

But they're getting even better if you can imagine it.

Oh, I can't.

Okay.

I can't imagine it.

For the first time ever,

an Amtrak next-gen Acela train just pulled up to Union Station.

This is according to Tom Rousey of Seven News.

It left Boston at 6 a.m.

this morning and took only seven hours to make the entire trip.

From where to where?

From

Boston to

Washington, D.C.

To Washington.

Now, Pat just seven hours.

Pat, I want you to think about this for a moment.

And I want to, sometimes this, you seem a little, I want to be grounded in reality still, but I want to dream a little.

Okay.

I have a dream.

A dream today that at some point in the distant future, man may be able to get from Boston to Washington even faster than seven hours.

Well, that's just ridiculous.

And think of it this way.

And this might throw you.

What if we were to soar above the land

to exist in the airspace above these train tracks and land down

on a winged vehicle of sorts?

That's my dream.

I don't know if it's possible.

It's a crazy one.

This is Glenn Beck.