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and try to find our way through the feelings and the emotions that we all have knotted up inside of us.

Try to make sense of our world.

And remember a great, great man and a true friend.

Megan Kelly is on

with me today.

Also Liz Wheeler, who is a dear friend, so close to Charlie.

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Welcome to the table.

Megan Kelly is going to join us

in just a moment.

As you can imagine, all of us are being torn a million different directions, and

she will be joining us hopefully in a few minutes, if not a little bit later today.

But we have a lot of people on today that

want to share some stories about

Charlie Kirk.

And tomorrow I want to hear from you.

Yesterday was such a surreal day.

I was getting ready to record my special last night.

It was in the afternoon.

And I'm sitting here in my studio and

I look at the stairs through this glass door that I have here.

And my wife is on the phone and she's standing in the stairway and and she has her

her hand gripping the stair rail.

And I could see it in her eyes.

She was on the phone.

And I could see confusion and I could see trouble.

And

in my ear, I'm hearing five,

four,

three.

And I said, stop, stop, stop, stop.

I need 30 seconds.

I need to talk to my wife.

And I motioned for her to come in.

And

in a confused and dazed sort of way, she

kind of stumbles into the room, and I said, What's happening, honey?

And she said, It's Cheyenne.

I didn't know what that meant.

As a dad, you can imagine.

I said, Is she okay?

What's happening?

She meant it's Cheyenne on the phone.

Cheyenne had just gotten past the crush of the crowd.

She called her mom.

She said,

Charlie Kirk's just been shot.

What

she sent me some

video

and I knew it was true,

but I hoped for the best

until a few minutes later somebody else sent me video that I hope you did not see

of the bullet striking him.

It must have been

like what it was when you first saw the Zapruder film, or if you were standing in the grassy knoll.

You just knew.

I was on with Megan Kelly,

and we were holding on to the hope that he

was somehow or another going to survive that.

And Megan said at one point, I don't know why I'm not announcing

what everybody else is announcing, but I just can't.

Megan joins us now.

Hi, Megan.

Hi, Glenn.

What a weird 24 hours it has been.

Where are you this morning in unraveling this knot in your head?

I still don't feel like I have my arms around it.

I don't feel like I've totally digested the fact that he's gone and the way in which he was taken.

You know,

Charlie truly was such a larger-than-life figure.

We say that term, but it was true about him.

At six foot five, he truly seemed larger than most of us, and he was in his gifts and his tirelessness.

and just knowing exactly where the seam in every story was and his raw courage.

So many times, we like to think we're courageous in our commentary.

You'd look at Charlie and you'd think, now that's true courage.

He would just say it like it was.

The things you'd be thinking in your head, but you might not want to say explicitly, he said.

And he took a lot of slings and arrows for it and was demonized for being all the terrible things, as opposed to people taking him on and saying, Does he have a point?

You know, I said earlier today that you don't kill the weak.

You know,

people don't want to try to heal or

they just want to speak in anger at times.

And, you know, anger is part of the grieving process.

And I know I'm angry.

But

Charlie would face that anger.

what people think is weakness by showing love and compassion and listening and just having a decent conversation,

that's one of the reasons why he was killed.

He wasn't killed because he was weak.

Just like Gandhi wasn't weak.

He was killed because he was effective.

Megan,

where do we go from here?

She dropped.

Can we get her back on the phone?

I got an email

from somebody today, this morning.

And I want to share the email.

I won't share the name, it's short, but I also think I should share

my response

because I think it's how

most of us

feel.

It comes from a very well-known conservative leader.

Glad I am devastated this morning.

I am in deep mourning for Charlie.

I'm in mourning for his family and our country, and I don't know know how to surface from this.

I don't know if I do either.

But I would like to share my thoughts with you a little later on.

Megan is with me.

Megan,

how do we process this?

How do we surface from this?

You know,

I think, as with any loss,

we all have to go through the denial and the bargaining.

You know, like,

I'm still refreshing my ex account, like, hoping somehow there's a reversal.

You know, like

somehow it was all wrong.

Somehow

we got it all wrong.

You know, sometimes the media gets it wrong.

It's absurd.

We know what the answer is, but that's a natural reaction when you've had a sudden loss in particular.

And anger's completely appropriate now, too.

It's completely appropriate.

You know, we are going to catch this guy.

You know, that FBI presser they just held was very encouraging.

They've

in two things happened this morning that are of note right now, Glenn.

First, Stephen Crowder, who is very solid on his law enforcement leak reporting.

He has a proven track history.

He's the one who got the manifesto from the trans shooter in Nashville before anyone else.

And that's not all.

He's had other leaks is posting a document saying he received from an ATF source on the investigation.

And that says that they retrieved the gun in the woods behind the campus wrapped in a towel and that there were three unspent cartridges in the gun.

that had transgender and anti-fascist ideology, something written on them.

Now that piece of that last piece of it was not confirmed by the FBI at the pressure they just held, but every other thing was.

The Crowder report was confirmed in every detail, including naming the kind of gun.

He had that right.

He had the location right.

He had the

trail and the tracking of the suspect right.

They did not volunteer the business about what was written on the cartridges, nor did anyone there ask because

those reporters almost certainly don't follow Stephen Crowder because those reporters would probably tell you

he's not to be trusted.

Now this is an early report and it could turn out to be wrong, but that's the update as far as we know it.

And the FBI revealing that they have a picture of him, that they did, of course, track him on his way to the shooting spot with surveillance cameras.

Of course, on these college campuses, we would expect that in dorms or

class buildings.

And they appear confident, at least to me, that they've got the guy.

And if they've got the weapon, Glenn, while they may or may not have fingerprints, but they almost certainly have DNA.

I mean, they almost certainly have DNA, which I'm sure they're uploading right now into every database they can.

You know, we saw this in Kohlberger.

They're not supposed to use the public databases, sorry, private, like 23andMe or Ancestry.com, though in Kohlberger they did, and that is how they found Kohlberger.

Sometimes they do.

And even just a public database of DNA can lead you to at least a family member somewhere near a shooter or a suspect.

And then it's just a matter of charts and a few hours in getting to that person's relatives.

So I believe they will find the shooter.

And then we'll know the ideology.

And then we'll have a place to put some of the anger, like

an explanation or something that will help us understand.

what deranged person, and I don't mean that in the clinical sense,

did this yesterday.

I just feel like I don't know where to go until I know who did this and why.

It was about midnight last night

when I talked to the president, and

he was

very clear

that we will find

whoever is responsible for this, and justice will be served.

He was

extraordinarily confident confident in that,

which gave me an awful lot of hope.

I don't know if you saw his speech last night that he gave from the Oval, but I thought he hit exactly the very powerful, hit exactly the right tone, hit exactly the right tone.

But I think the days of us fooling around and nibbling at the edges, I think those days are over.

I agree.

And one of the things Trump said last night that was so good

was he used the word terrorism.

That's exactly right.

You know, that's

that is how a lot of us are feeling.

And I know you've had the same experience I've had in the past 24 hours, Glenn, where virtually everyone I know in the media business has reached out.

I think there are a lot of folks who are in our lane in particular, in conservative media,

who are very rattled by this.

because he was one of ours and

he was taken.

you know he he obviously we all have concerns about personal security now with the shooter at loose you know at large as well but i just mean the

like the betrayal and the need to rise up and protect ours and the people we value and love you know this is like

i don't want to say a call to arms because i'm not encouraging violence but i mean a unifying call for us to stand shoulder to shoulder and stand up.

Yeah, it is absolutely a wake-up call to anybody who thought, you know,

oh, it's just going to, you know, pass us by.

It's not.

This is the call of our age, and how we respond

is going to determine the future of freedom in this country.

But

I have great confidence that we will respond just as we did

after 9-11.

We responded with

conviction.

We responded with in an intelligent sort of way.

We overreacted in some ways that I would like to avoid this time, but

we came together as a nation and did what had to be done

for the preservation of our nation.

Now, if we can have the moderation

lesson learned this time,

perhaps we will be good.

But I think the days of Antifa not feeling any ramifications for their work and others, those days are over as of yesterday.

Megan.

You know, I just

go ahead.

Go ahead, Glenn.

I was just going to say one of the things we did after 9-11 was when the stock market opened two days later, we all bought stock.

We just, it could have been a $5 stock, but everyone did it just to send a message that the financial center would stand.

And I think we are going to see a reaction on college campuses when it comes to free speech by conservatives, unlike anything we've ever seen before in a similar vein.

I'm proud to stand shoulder to shoulder with you, Megan, and be in the trenches with you all the time.

You are a light in a lot of darkness, and I appreciate our years of friendship and everything that you've done for the country.

Thank you.

Likewise, my friend.

Thanks for having me.

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Hello, Liz.

Hi, Glenn.

I spoke to you yesterday, and we were both pretty raw at the time.

How are you doing this morning?

I'm in a fog of grief, Glenn.

I think that a lot of us are.

I feel it still feels very unbelievable what happened to our dear friend Charlie Kirk.

I feel like I'm floating up outside of my body, in a sense, watching all of this unfold.

It's quite something to see the reaction from the American people

over this assassination.

I think you're correct when you say that our country has changed forever.

I think this is one of the most significant, not just political assassinations, but political events that we've experienced since the inception of our country.

And I think I've been praying about this since you and I spoke for so long yesterday.

I've been thinking about this endlessly, obviously on my knees praying for sweet Erica and Charlie and Erica's two babies.

And I think one of the things that has happened in the last 24 hours is

people in our country, and I don't even want to say conservatives, I don't want to say right-wingers because it's not just that, have realized that Charlie is so normal.

He's not radical.

He's not extreme.

He's not bombastic.

He's not edgy.

He's just a regular guy.

And he's kind.

And they killed him because of those beliefs and opinions, those principles and values, Glenn, that we share with him.

And you and I work in this industry and we've written a lot of books about this political enemy that we face, and we talk about it a lot.

But for the majority of the American people, this is the first time, Glenn, that they're realizing exactly who this political enemy that we face is.

And it's jarring and it's gut-wrenching because they realize that just as easily as they assassinated Charlie Kirk and are now dancing on his grave, they want to do that to us too.

Liz, I um

and I know you do,

I have such

faith in the Lord,

and I know

I don't know how our lives end.

I don't know how things work out,

but I know

everything

that happens is used for his good.

There is no way to thwart God's plan.

You can make getting there harder.

You can make getting there more painful.

But if we trust in him,

great and glorious things are going to happen

because of this.

Charlie once said

Charlie once said when someone asked him what he wanted to be known for the most, and he wore a lot of hats, so he could have picked a lot of different accomplishments and identities, and he said he wanted to be known for his faith.

And

that's, I mean, it's so powerful.

You and I are clinging to God right now.

Everyone sitting here with us is clinging to God.

I'm literally sitting here gripping a rosary as we talk.

Evil happens in our world and we all ask that question, why?

Why does God allow bad things to happen to good and innocent people?

And, you know, as Father Mike Schmitz reminded us yesterday, when evil happens, that is not God's perfect will.

It is God's permissive will, which is very different.

God

allowed

Charlie's death to happen, but but he did not want it to happen.

God values human freedom and can bring about a greater good through these allowed events, but God does not cause evil.

He uses it to achieve his higher purpose.

When sometimes we don't know what that is, and I I'm human, I find it very difficult not to have an immediate answer to, okay, what is that higher good?

But it could be testing faith or demonstrating compassion, teaching people how to uphold his perfect will of good.

And if God were to remove evil from the human existence, he would also be removing our free will to love him and to love others.

And he knows that despite the evil that he allows to exist in the world, this greater good can be achieved for eternity, which is where Charlie is now.

And Glenn, there are a lot of bad people online right now, you know, celebrating Charlie's death and saying how ironic it was that Charlie was killed by a gun when he was a champion of gun rights.

But do you want to know what the real irony is?

The real irony is that Charlie, at this moment in eternity, I guarantee to you, Glenn, is praying for those who did this to him.

You know,

yesterday I said,

I think I might have have done one of the hardest things I've ever done.

I

walked to the front gate and I lowered my flag

to half mass for

a dear friend.

And

I think that is going to be easy compared to

the forgiveness and the compassion and the restraint that is going to be required from all of us

in the coming days.

I think that's going to be very difficult.

And I don't know how you do it if you don't have God.

I don't.

I can't imagine

moving forward without God.

The Bible says he is my rock.

He is my refuge.

And

I can tell you that that's the only thing right now that's helping me swim through this fog of grief.

Charlie was such a good man, Glenn.

Such a good man.

You know, he once actually hired me.

This was a decade and a half ago.

He hired me.

to work for Turning Point USA, but I wasn't going to, my start date for starting that job wasn't going to be for like three months down the road because of the new financial cycle.

And in the interim, after we had signed that contract, but before I had started, I got offered my first television job on OAN.

And so I preemptively quit on Charlie.

And I remember talking to him and saying, I know this is such a sucky move for me to preemptively quit on you after we had agreed, but Charlie, what would you do?

And he was so gracious, Glenn.

He was so generous.

He said, you are, you're going to kill it.

You're going to, you are going to use this platform to glorify God and to save our country.

And

he

was always so encouraging.

Yesterday, I was looking back at our text thread because for as busy as this man was, he never neglected talking to his friends.

And during some of the most challenging moments in my public life, who was texting me encouragement but Charlie Kirk.

This,

it is hard to think about how to move forward.

But one of the things, and I know that it's hard to articulate clearly in this moment, but one of the things that I know with crystal clarity at this moment is we are not going to be silenced by an enemy who harms us.

We are not going to back down.

We are not going to be quiet.

We are going to honor Charlie's legacy.

We are going to care for and love Charlie's family.

We are going to understand in a clearer sense exactly what we are up against.

And it's going to,

with

God on our side, it is going to lead us to victory in a way that our country has not yet experienced because we do have this binary choice.

The left wants violence.

The left wants civil war.

The left wants to hurt us and kill us.

But what's going to happen instead is These people in our country, people who are politically apathetic or lukewarm liberal or, you know, maybe right wing, but not that active in politics, the same thing is going to happen as a result of Charlie's assassination that happened after the Black Lives Matter riots or after the COVID vaccine mandates, where people realized that the other side does not want the best for us, that the other side during the Black Lives Matter riots was willing to falsely accuse us of being racist when that wasn't true.

Or during COVID to tell us that we couldn't go to church and worship God and we had to take their medical product because they said so and they didn't care about the harm.

Gwen, this is that

times 1,000.

People are now looking out across our country, realizing that there are subversive forces and not just a radical, lunatic, madman, isolated incident.

There are radical forces who want to kill us.

And the awakening that's going to happen, the eye-opening, you are going to see churches filled filled with people turning to God.

You are going to see politics a swell of good people who want to stand for normalcy and common sense.

Two million, five million, ten million new Charlie Kirks are going to be minted because of this.

And that's hard to picture in this moment.

And there will be hard choices to make because we're angry right now and the left is taunting us.

But I have so much faith.

I have so much faith

in what Charlie did and in the prayers that he is going to be bathing our country in now from eternity.

Liz, you're one of my favorite people.

And I know you are one of Charlie's favorite people, too.

Thank you for coming on today.

Thank you, Glenn.

God bless you.

I want to share some personal thoughts on Charlie Kirk coming up in a minute.

But I want to spend a few minutes with another friend of Charlie Kirk's and a good friend of our program and mine, Steve Dace, who follows me on Blaze TV.

Steve,

I know it has been a hard 24 hours.

How are you holding up?

I'm pretty devastated.

I think I have sobbed more, Glenn, in the

last

18 hours than I probably did since the night of my own conversion.

I'm angry.

And I know a lot of people are.

And

there will be a time after we need to mourn first, Glenn, because otherwise the anger will come out destructively.

And it needs to come out, but constructively.

And I think we have to mourn first.

I think Charlie's legacy as a father, husband, friend, patriot

merits that.

And I think TPUSA and

his family need that.

But in the not-too-distant future,

we're going to have to get the message that was sent here.

He was the best of us.

When you saw him behind the scenes or in public, genuinely kind, generous.

Too many pastors and ministry leaders thought they were too good for Charlie and TPUSA.

Didn't want to get their hands dirty.

And claimed they were being seeker-friendly, and yet he was the one that sought out the seekers.

He went to the places that those nicer-than-God pastors didn't go to.

And he took the bullet that, frankly, that's part of their calling that they're supposed to take.

And I hope in a good way it shames some of them this morning, that they wake up and they realize that they have slept on the job.

And that's why somebody like Charlie had to do their job for them.

And as

Charlie

named his own organization, this is a turning point.

We're never going back to the way things were before.

What we do next will decide whether or not they are better.

And as one of Charlie's biggest supporters and donors texted me this morning, we can only pray that out of one, many will rise up.

That's a guarantee.

That is an absolute guarantee that that is going to happen.

You know,

when the tyrant is killed, his reign is over.

When the martyr is killed, his reign has just begun.

And make no mistake, for liberty, Charlie Kirk was a martyr.

He was assassinated and martyred yesterday.

And

I think, I hope that

America...

I wish America could know him the way we knew him because

he was such a generous man.

It didn't matter who you were or what rank in life you were.

If you needed help, he was there.

And

no matter how busy he was, everything stopped and he would help you.

And I saw it in him over and over and over again.

And I wish people could see that because it, you know, this cartoon character where they're making him into this bomb thrower, he was anything but, I mean, he would have the greatest conversations with people.

I mean, I couldn't have done it.

I couldn't do it.

I couldn't sit through that nonsense.

But he could, and he could logically and peacefully have a great conversation with people who despised him.

And that was so important for the healing of our nation.

And I really think that that's one of the reasons why he was killed, not just because he was effective at what he did, but because he was healing us.

Something that is really

vital to happen.

He was healing all of those divides.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

And if you just look on social media and see so many people in our movement who have such incredible, people I don't know, people that don't know me, such incredible testimonies of everything you just said in their interactions with Charlie.

You know, we had a very divisive presidential primary.

And to be honest, I didn't always handle it well.

One of the first people I heard from when it was over was Charlie.

And he texted me and he said,

Don't give up.

We need you.

He didn't have to do that.

He won.

And he's got the bigger platform.

He's got the bigger show.

He didn't have to do that.

But that's the kinds of, those are the kinds of things leaders do.

And the void that is left here is massive.

And

at my lowest point I've ever had in my faith,

the Lord said something to me that will stay with me the rest of my life.

And he said, Stephen,

I'm sorry.

Stephen, I need apostles,

not assassins.

And I want to share that with your audience.

Because to win the fight that is going to come after this, that is what will be required.

If you know me, you know this isn't about being a pansy.

Apostles rebuke, but they don't seek revenge.

Apostles confront, but they don't condemn.

The apostles did something that Hannibal couldn't do.

No other civilization in the Fertile Crescent could do.

They conquered the Roman Empire.

They set the stage for Western civilization.

And they did not do it because they were passive and they sat on the sidelines and they were nicer than God and they wore pleated khakis and Hawaiian shirts year-round with sweater vests.

They did it because they got their hands dirty.

They did it because they did the kinds of things we saw Charlie do.

Build infrastructure, direct, lead, guide.

I mean, we would have to have a literal conclave, Glenn, and come with literally everyone in our business and movement and come up with divisions to do all the various things Charlie himself was leading and doing.

And that organization was.

I told Charlie at dinner recently, it's like you are like if Rush Limbaugh and the Heritage Foundation had a baby.

This is what you you and TPUSA are

and

that's what it's gonna take to fill that void and I

can't I'm sure with the size of your audience my inbox my wife is going through it as we speak it is full of people

you were right I have to get off the sidelines I have to do something My buddy Sloan over at TPUSA texted me yesterday goes Steve I can't tell you how many pastors we're hearing from they thought they were too pious for us too good for us and now the stakes have been raised they're getting it and I'm just so sorry that it took two little children and

their mom's family away from them for more people to get the message.

And

I want to specifically challenge my generation, Gen X.

No more grunge.

No more we're too cool for school.

No more, well, everything sucks, nothing we can do, no more.

That was a 31-year-old man doing the work as a young father and husband.

Frankly, it wasn't his his time to do yet.

He has other primary duties that he should have been given the benefit of devoting to as a husband and father.

But our generation has sat on the sidelines for too long.

We must lead.

It is our children now that are grown, that are leaving the nest.

We are the ones with the free time.

We are the ones with the discretionary income.

It is our time now to lead, to stop bitching and complaining about boomers.

And I say that to me more than anybody else, and to stop looking around like we're still listening to Pearl Jam and Stone Temple Pilots and Soundgarden, and nothing's going to get better.

It is time now to lead.

This is our moment,

and we are the ones that are in place to do this with the positions of our families and with our productivity and prosperity.

We have to step to the forefront now.

Steve,

this is why I love you so much.

Thank you.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

You're welcome, Brother.

I love you.

We'll talk again.

Amen.

Thank you.

I'm uh

Charlie said to me one time

he was seventeen years old,

and

it was the first time we met,

he said,

I want to be like you.

I want to do what you do.

He said, I I'm I'm doing and

going to do what I do

because I grew up listening to you and watching you.

He said, I would race home

so I could watch your show at five.

He said, I'm in high school and college and I'm listening to you.

He was

the guy

that I hoped

we would find

we would find the leadership in the youth

and they would be raised with truth

and yesterday

I spent too much time thinking about how I wish he wouldn't

have listened to me.

My dad said

the goal of every father

is to raise a son that can surpass him.

Charlie

at twenty-five

had a better handle on America and its path and

where we were headed and how to fix it than I have even today.

And because of that,

he raised a whole generation.

Out of the people he taught,

millions

will rise.

I've thought a lot about the TPUSA

crowd, I don't know, group, I don't even know what to call them, the

Charlie's friends and

family and

kids.

I keep hearing people say about his family, and that is true.

We've got to pray for his wife and his children.

We have to live up to be worthy of saying that that was our friend, because I know how he would want us to react,

and I want his kids to see

how a nation reacted.

And they reacted that way because their dad was such a great man.

But I've also thought a lot about the family of Turning Point.

Let me just

say this: you're not forgotten.

You're not alone.

You're not rudderless.

You're not over

because

you learned from Charlie.

And I cannot wait to see what you're going to do next.

Just a few minutes ago, a friend of mine, Ali Bastaki,

who is just a remarkable woman,

posted something.

To the people who did this, to the people who support this, you have

you have changed our country forever.

If your goal was to immortalize Charlie's ideas and to raise people even bolder and more relentless than him, good job, because that's exactly what you've done.

And,

Allie, I want to share something that I just saw online

from

somebody I've never heard of, Maddie Roon.

I'm not going to lie, with everything going on, I'm feeling the pull to go to church and give my life

to Christ.

Such great good will come out of this, Ellie.

I know this is a tough day for you, and thank you for joining me.

Yeah, God is in the business of redemption.

He is in the business of thwarting Satan's schemes.

He is in the business of bringing beauty out of ashes.

He is in the business of bringing glory to himself and bringing people to himself.

And if Charlie had had the choice, if someone had been able to come to him and say, okay, this is what your death will accomplish.

It will accomplish more people hearing the gospel.

It will accomplish more people waking up.

I know that if Charlie had had that choice, he would have said yes.

He would have said yes, Lord, send me.

And not only would he have, but he did.

He went into the lion's den and now he is with the lion of Judah.

Now he is with Jesus and everyone is going to know who he was and why he lived and the gospel that motivated him.

And that is the only thing right now that is giving me any hope or any peace or any comfort.

I know that

all I could think of yesterday

was how glorious

the greeting must have been on the other side.

You know, good, well done, good and faithful servant.

Yes, absolutely.

And before any of us heard the news, before his sweet wife Erica got the phone call, he was already hearing those words.

And I am so happy for him.

I'm so happy that he's with the saints and the martyrs and the persecuted through which the church of Christ has been advanced for millennia.

I'm so happy for him.

I'm so sad for us.

I'm so sad for us.

Heaven gained an incredible person, but we

lost a huge presence.

That's how I know when people have faith.

They don't weep for the dead.

They weep for the loss to themselves and to the world and to the families that are hurting.

They mourn that loss on themselves, but

when they think of the person who has died, they know exactly where they are.

And

with Charlie,

I mean,

I knew him when he was 17 and he was a good kid, kid, but what a change

happened to him.

He was on fire for Christ, on fire for that.

Yes, absolutely.

He grew into, over the past five to ten years, such a theologically deep and apologetically astute man of God as he became a husband, as he became a father, as he became even more of a warrior for truth.

And that is really what that's what inspired me.

And

when I heard the news yesterday,

I thought, my first thought was, that's it.

I'm done.

I'm throwing in the towel.

That is it for me.

I'm not, I'm not willing to do this anymore.

And then later, after he died, I went through some of the texts that he had sent me over the years.

He was always sending everyone, all of his friends, these very encouraging texts.

And he sent me this article from a liberal outlet that, of course, had taken some jabs at me that had made me anxious.

And he said, Well done, keep slugging.

And I just, I just know that if he were here, that's exactly what he would say.

Not just to me, but to all of us.

He would say, No, you can't get out now.

You got to keep going.

You got to keep going.

That's exactly how he would feel.

And that's exactly what he would tell all of us.

I have received so many emails from people who have said, I don't know how to get back up again.

And I don't know what to tell them other than

faith in God.

Faith in God.

I think if

our side, if you will,

boy, I hate that in this context, but if we didn't have God,

We'd be very much like the left right now.

We would be mired in anger and

screaming for vengeance.

And it would be a really ugly place today

if we didn't have God.

Yes.

And if Jesus wasn't raised from the dead.

Like if he wasn't resurrected, then we don't have a hope of a resurrection.

If he didn't defeat death, then we can't defeat death.

If Jesus didn't live forever, then we can't live forever.

And that's exactly what Charlie always preached, what he always posted on X, what he always said.

If you were to be able to text him right now and say, look, Charlie, I've got this really tough thing to talk about today, and I don't know how to say it.

I don't know what to say.

What are your thoughts on it?

What should I say?

I know exactly what he would say, the one word that he would text back, and that would be Jesus.

Just tell him that.

Just tell him that Jesus is the only way to fulfillment.

That is what he would say.

People don't, may not realize that, but every time he went on a college campus, he wasn't just talking about capitalism or Donald Trump, and all those things are important.

He shared the gospel.

He knew that every single person that walked in front of him was made in the image of God with a soul that was going to live forever in one of two places.

He desperately wanted the people who hated him to go to heaven.

And I just pray that I can have that same boldness for the rest of my life.

I don't mean to put you on the spot, Allie, but

I feel as though I have seen

two greats come

into

my life as

very young adults.

One was Charlie.

He was 17.

And

I watched him grow into

an icon

and just remarkable things.

And I know I told you about a year or so ago

that

you're the first that I have seen come through my doors that I've said,

that is a game changer.

This is a superstar that is going to change the game.

I don't mean to put you on the spot, but

you're,

I'm sorry to say this to you, but you're the closest

replacement.

The responsibility now on your shoulders.

I mean, because you can do it, and you're placed in the right place, and you have very much the same message.

And I want to thank you for being prepared.

Well,

I don't feel

very courageous right now.

And I want to say thank you for those words, and thank you for your belief in me.

And, you know, Charlie, way back before I had any audience or was doing anything, I certainly hadn't done anything impressive at all.

Before I came to the Blaze or anything, Charlie was one of the first people to reach out to me, said, you got this.

Come speak at one of my events.

And

he always, for reasons that I didn't really understand,

He always cheered me on.

He always platformed me.

Even when I didn't agree with him on everything,

he never cared about that.

And that was who he was.

He built people up.

And

I don't think I'll ever be able to fill those shoes.

And, you know, I'm just going to follow the call that God has on my life and try to do the next right thing and believe that God is going to use me.

And if he uses me in a fraction of the way that he used Charlie Kirk, then my life will be fulfilled.

He already has.

You've already done so many great things, Allie.

Thank you so much.

I appreciate you talking on such a hard day.

Thank you.

Allie Bastucci, she is Plays TV host of

a show that is doing, I know, but a show that is doing so remarkably well everywhere.

And

I can I mention what you're doing or have you decided on that for sure?

Yes.

So the show is relatable.

And

we've got

an event coming up.

Are you doing it?

Yes, we are doing it.

And this is not a time for, I'm not trying to sell tickets or anything like that.

I just, I got a message.

So we've got this event.

Christian women's conference called Share the Arrows.

And actually, Charlie was like the perfect embodiment of that because whenever anyone got arrows slung at them for saying something that was true, he was the guy to stand up and say, Yeah, you know what?

I'll take those arrows too.

And that's what this conference is about.

It's about instilling women with courage, teaching them theology and making sure that they share what is good, right, and true in every sphere of the world that they occupy.

And I got a message from someone saying, you know, I'm so glad I bought these tickets two months ago because I need to be near believers.

I need to be encouraged.

I need worship.

So if that is you, if you are a Christian woman and you're like, wow, I need this, then you can go to sharethearrows.com.

You can get your tickets there today.

I'd be so happy to have you.

There will be thousands of us there.

We will be singing hymns.

We will be worshiping.

We will be learning from the Word of God and we will draw courage from each other.

So, if you want to be there, then I invite you to come.

And that's sharethearrows.com.

And it's happening on October 11th at the Credit Union of Texas Event Center.

And, you know,

I just talked to Megan Kelly a few minutes ago

and I talked to her off the air and I said,

I think I know the answer, but are you really going to start your tour next Monday?

And she said,

yeah,

I am.

Nothing is going to stop.

these valiant, valiant women and warriors.

So thank you, Allie.

Appreciate it.

Thank you, Glenn, for everything that you do and how you lead and how you represent the truth so well.

We are all so thankful to you and indebted to you in many, many ways.

SharetheArrows.com and you can follow Allie, blazetv.com/slash allie,

and her show is relatable.

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