Charlie Kirk: Civil Rights Icon | Guests: Max Lucado & John Solomon | 9/12/25

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As this starts today, I say to myself out loud, I am not going to cry on today's show.

I haven't felt this way since 9-11.

My emotions are all so jumbled and tangled up inside, and I think I'm fine for a while.

I think I'm fine for a while.

Then all of a sudden, I just burst out into tears again.

It is 9-12.

That is an important date, at least in my world, in the history of this broadcast.

Because 9-12, the day after 9-11, is when America came together and did the right thing.

And we started back in 2008 something called the 9-12 Project.

It was kind of a kind of an offshoot, if if you will, of the Tea Party that was trying to make sure we were rooted in principles, not just in policies.

And I want to talk to you a little bit about that.

And I'm calling everyone in this audience

to say thank you to Charlie, his family, and the turning point.

You know, Charlie came from this audience.

He was a kid when he started watching me on Fox and listening to me on the radio.

And

we talked about it so many times together, and he was always so gracious to me.

And I just,

I want to do everything I can to make sure that I am saying thank you back to him.

And my wife and I were talking about his wife and children, and I know they're going to be taken care of.

But,

you know,

he was young.

And they've had a long life and road ahead of them.

And so does the family at Turning Point.

And so I'm starting a

Give Send Go

fundraiser today that I would just like to ask you: if you have at all felt at all

like Charlie Kirk or Turning Point has affected you, that

you recognize the impact that that one man made,

would you go to givesendgo.com slash 912 project?

Give send go slash, givesendgo.com slash 912 project

is going to provide for the family, and I know there are other fundraisers.

It's going to provide for the family and his children, but also at his wife's discretion

to the Turning Point USA mission as well.

They've lost their biggest fundraiser in Charlie, and

they are just broken up.

They're just broken up.

And God bless them.

I want you to know we're thinking about you.

We love you so much.

And we are very, very grateful.

I am not going to cry today for everything that you have done.

So go to givesendgo.com slash 912 project.

Okay, so we have some news, breaking news.

Just about an hour ago, the president said that we, high level of certainty, have the person responsible in custody.

We're going to talk about that.

We also have John Solomon on joining us.

He'll give us the rest of that news here.

All this hour standby.

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Hello, Stu.

How are you?

Glenn, it's been a heck of a week.

It has been like the heck of

like six weeks.

Yeah.

All rolled up into a week.

It was yesterday,

I was thinking, it's, it's like, is it Sunday?

It just feels like this week has just never ended.

And this morning, the president is on Fox and Friends.

And he's, is he still on?

He was on for like an hour.

Yeah.

He was sitting in the studio.

I spoke to him, what, night before last, and it was like midnight.

And I had never heard him sound tired.

He sounded really tired.

And, you know, I completely understand it.

But the guy just does not stop.

And,

you know, the press, you know, people in the press are saying, have you seen him?

I think he had a stroke.

Look at the way he's,

look at the way he looks.

He looks like he had a stroke.

He didn't have a stroke.

Stop it.

The guy is tired.

And yet he is still

has more energy than I've never seen a president like this.

Never seen a president like this.

And I, as I said to him on the phone the other day, thank you.

I thank God you are our president right now.

Thank you for this

and everything that he is doing.

Anyway,

let me roll with what he announced on Fox and Friends just a minute ago.

And it is interesting the way he phrased this.

Listen closely.

Any updates on the suspect?

Yeah.

Can I always say, I think just to protect us all and so Fox doesn't get sued and we all don't get sued and everything else.

But I think

with a high degree of certainty, we have him.

In custody.

In custody,

everyone did a great job.

We worked with the local police, the governor.

Everybody did a great job.

You know, getting somebody that you start off with absolutely nothing.

And we started off with a clip that made him look like an ant that was almost useless.

We just saw there was somebody up there.

And so much work has been done over the last two and a half days.

You know, it's amazing, actually, when you start off with that, and then all of a sudden

you get lucky or talent or whatever it is.

But yeah, I think we're in great shape.

That is good news.

I was laying in bed this morning as I woke up, and I thought, how is it we don't have this guy yet?

And of all places, Utah,

where you would think, other than the mountains, you would not be able to hide.

You know,

this is such a

at least the area that Charlie was in, this is as

deep red as you can get,

except for the university, which I have a few comments on the university that I'm going to share a little later on.

Sorry, I'm a little feisty today.

Yesterday, I was, you know, mourning.

I'm still in mourning, but I am, I think I'm at my anger stage.

My full flex, full throttle anger stage today.

And I have a few things to say, and I think they need need to be said, but I'll try to say them with love and compassion as much as I possibly can, but with as much clarity as this deserves.

So what do we know about this guy?

We know the name now.

And

I don't want to say the name.

It might come in, be important later, but it's not important now.

I don't want to make this guy famous.

But tell me what we do know.

Not a whole lot.

What we do know, and I'm just, yeah, just the straight up facts as we know them at the moment, is that apparently the name was confirmed

via some law enforcement sources to the New York Post.

They have posted this individual's name.

We know that somebody who was very close to him, I believe it was his father, was the one that turned him in, and they worked through a minister that was close to the family who helped facilitate this.

That's pretty much all we know.

I've seen this person kind of...

Was the word minister used?

Minister, yes.

Okay.

Yeah.

I'd seen the internet is insane.

I saw that over 7,000 tips went to the FBI and law enforcement to try and catch this person.

I got a disturbing tip yesterday.

You were with me.

A friend of our family who the child went to this university and said, I think I know who this.

this guy is.

And the FBI is overwhelmed and we can't talk to anybody in the FBI.

It turns out it wasn't.

It was somebody who was, it turned out I think they were too old.

You know, they're probably five years older

than this guy.

But just their tip to us was disturbing.

And we investigated, you know, and said, we'll get it to the FBI, you know, if

we think there's something to it.

But my team investigated it, and it turned out that there wasn't anything to it.

But

just that was disturbing.

I mean, people, there are a lot of really disturbed people that do all kinds of things that you never, ever hear about.

And

7,000 tips.

It's remarkable that they could sort through all of them and get to this guy.

Yeah.

And you can imagine, I mean, now

you'd always see that like on TV shows and stuff.

They'd be like, well, you know, if we open up the tip line, it almost makes the job harder.

Right now, the internet, X, you know, other places like that almost kind of mimic that, but to the public square.

So everyone's got these very, very convincing, you know, arguments and theories.

And everyone thought they pretty much identified who this was.

it still could be we're not entirely sure if it was but you know we're we're gonna hold off um as we have been and look into every single one of them so are you familiar with what charlie's last tweet was yes

He said, if we want things to change, it's 100% necessary to politicize the senseless murder of Irina Zarutska because it was politics that allowed a savage monster with 14 priors to be free on the streets to kill her.

A little kind of prophetic in a way, we're now talking about his monstrous murder.

This guy will get the death penalty.

The governor of Utah has already said it'll be to the fullest extent of the law.

And I remind you, in Utah, we still have the death penalty.

I remember I was living in Utah when I was young.

I was about 18 years old, and Ted Bundy was about to be killed.

Remember, they caught him in Utah, and they tried him in Utah and killed him in Utah.

And I remember, because they still, I think, I don't know if they still do, I think they still have the firing squad.

And, you know, you're, you're, all these people are lined up.

And I think only one of them has a live bullet or something like that.

And so you don't know if you were the one that, you know, actually killed.

But they line you up and you volunteer for it.

And they, they had so many people sign up to be a member of the firing squad for him.

I would imagine if they still have the firing squad that it is going to be, there's going to be a lot of volunteers on that one,

which is weird, bizarre, and

sad, but I am glad this guy will get the firing squad or will get capital punishment because

this guy changed absolutely everything.

Do we know anything?

I know we have John Solomon on in just a few minutes, but do we know anything about the

LGBTQ transgender stuff, the engravings or the writings on any of those bullets?

Do we know if that's true yet?

So we know that that was as reported by multiple outlets and apparently confirmed through the Wall Street Journal.

I think it actually started with Steven Crowder and then confirmed through

Steven Crowder.

Did you hear this, Stu?

Stephen Crowder is being investigated.

They called him in and they're investigating him now.

What are they investigating

for?

I think because of the leaks, they want to know he's being subpoenaed or something.

Want to know how he got all of this information so early.

And, you know,

this administration doesn't like leaks.

And so I don't know what's happening with Stephen.

We've

haven't had any conversations for a long time, but

he was accurate.

It looks like he was accurate.

So he had

good sources on this one.

But should those sources have leaked it to him first?

Yeah, that's not Stephen's problem, though.

I mean, that's not.

No, no, no.

As any journalistic institution should have protection over being able to acquire,

especially accurate news information.

So

hopefully that's not true.

Yeah, well, I don't think he's, I shouldn't say he's in trouble.

I shouldn't have meant it like that.

Anytime I'm called by the police for any reason, reason, I feel like I'm in trouble.

You know what I mean?

I think they're just trying to get his sources.

And as a journalist, you know, he'll say sorry.

You know, he'll protect his sources, I'm sure.

But this administration does not like leaks at all, at all.

Yeah, can I say,

we've been screwed on the government withholding a lot of this information so much.

I'm sure there's people within these law enforcement agencies also feel the same way.

Like this information needs to get out to the public.

They need to know.

How many times have we had had a manifesto, you know, that was just immediately taken?

Or

social media immediately scrubbed.

We have no information.

People are tired of that.

Yeah.

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I want to get to

I want to get to John Solomon here in just a minute.

And then I want to take your phone calls because, you know, we've heard from all of the friends of Charlie Kirk and we've...

We've heard from

so many different voices.

And I want to hear yours today.

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Today,

I'm asking you, and I, you know, look, there are fundraisers.

And,

you know, we don't have to.

We can jump on somebody else's fundraiser.

And I'm not doing this.

So, you know,

let me just sit about it this way.

I'm sorry, I'm so tied up inside today,

last couple of days.

But the reason why I wanted to do this is I think it's important for us, for you.

Charlie came from our audience.

He was a member of our audience.

And I think it's important that we as an audience have a way to say thank you to him because he

changed everything.

I mean, I don't think the president would be the president today if it wasn't Charlie Kirk in Turning Point USA.

And it's going to be a big loss

this next turn.

I mean, the plans that TPUSA have been making for 2028, is that right?

2028 are enormous.

And

we need to keep them going.

And

I would just like to make sure that his family is taken care of, his sweet, dear children.

That is a long, scary road.

I was thinking about my wife as I was driving yesterday, and I thought,

I mean, I've saved my whole life.

I've tried to make sure that they're okay.

And, you know, my kids are not two years old.

And it would still be scary and hard.

So I just want to make sure that they're taken care of.

And I want you to have the opportunity.

I am not going to cry today

to say thank you.

So we have set up a 912 project,

Give Send Go.

I want you to go to givesendgo.com/slash 912 project and give what you can, just even if it's a dollar, just to say thank you

to Charlie Kirk, his family, and to the people at Turning Point USA.

I was

really

flattered and honored.

They called me yesterday and asked me if I would

sit in, literally sit in Charlie's chair next week and fill in for two days for him on his network

and his

internet and radio broadcast.

And I am honored

To do that.

And so I will be

with his people next week

doing my show and then his show from Turning Point USA.

But

givesendgo.com/slash 912.

Just say thank you

to his family and let his family know, including the Turning Point family, we are there and we know what you've done.

We know what you've sacrificed.

And

keep going

keep

going

all right

um john solomon uh from just the news is next he's going to fill us in on all of the latest news what's true what's not and i'm sure he has a few things that he has found already on the shooter and how we found him we'll do that when we come back

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I'm going to

play a couple pieces of

video here.

Cut nine, please.

This is Erica Kirk and

our second lady,

Vice President Vance's wife, holding hands coming off of Air Force II as they land in Phoenix.

She is.

See, she's coming out.

There's Erica coming out at the top of the stairs.

And

she's holding

Mrs.

Vance's hand.

You see, Charlie's wife just looks like she's just, you know,

like a widow who,

you know, like Jackie O looked when she arrived back home in Washington, D.C.

Cut 10.

They're loading Charlie's body into a hearse yesterday to bring it

home.

And

you see,

one of the pallbearers

is J.D.

Vance.

And I,

again, I find myself saying this all the time.

This is something I've never seen before in my life.

I have never seen...

Well, I've never seen an assassination.

I've seen an assassination attempt twice in my life, but I've never seen an assassination of anyone in my life in America.

And then I don't remember this from the history books, you know, having our vice president or our president

involved at this level, moving the body back

home.

The Vance's are,

I think they're remarkable people.

I think he's going to be an incredible president.

I think he is going to be an incredible president.

But we.

You know, with the Vance is,

usually a society gets what it deserves.

I'm not sure we deserve the Vance family at this point.

Here's when the plane touched down, Air Force Two.

When the plane touched down, here's

the welcome home from the tower.

Listen,

welcome home, Charlie.

You didn't deserve it.

May God bless your family.

I will not cry.

President Trump said later this month

the funeral will be held, and he is planning on attending.

And I'm assuming that that will be in Phoenix,

where they will lay him to rest.

You know, I think we need to stop calling Charlie Kirk an activist or anything else.

I don't, a political figure.

It is time to

it's time to call him what he really was.

Because of what he died doing, Charlie Kirk is a civil rights icon.

Charlie Kirk was a civil rights leader that was martyred standing up for civil rights.

And it is time that our side declares that

and stands on that and claims that territory.

These so-called civil rights leaders that have been around for the last 30 years are jokes.

They're money hustlers.

They're dividers.

And they have nothing, nothing to do with civil rights.

Martin Luther King was a civil rights leader.

Martin Luther King was that man.

RFK Jr.

could even be called a civil rights leader.

JFK could be called a civil rights leader.

They led.

They led the way.

Everyone else was just playing it for cash and for power.

And I'm sick of it.

Charlie Kirk died

standing up and trying to show people

how to exercise your civil right in a civilized manner.

And they gunned him down before him,

because of it.

It's time to start calling him Charlie Kirk, the civil rights leader.

You have John on?

Yeah, John, how are you?

Thank you for coming on today.

Well, Glenn.

I'm well.

Thank you.

I couldn't agree more with what you just said.

You're right on the money.

So, John, John Stossel, or John Solomon, sorry, John Solomon from Just the News.

John,

we have apparently the guy in custody.

What do we know about this?

So we believe he's a man that looked just like the photo.

We believe that after the FBI put out the photos and had some other information they were pursuing about friends and affiliates of this shooter, that

the father and minister apparently played a role in getting this man to surrender.

We don't know much more than that.

Hold on just a sec, John.

Would you do me a favor and would you check?

Because everybody's using the word minister.

And in Utah,

the word would be bishop.

If he was an LDS member, it would have been bishop.

And I'm interested to know.

I don't have that level of detail.

I've been asking, obviously, because it is Utah, and you think that way.

But we don't know.

It's only been described by law enforcement to me as a minister or a clergy person.

So we don't know more than that.

Hopefully we'll know more soon.

But you're right.

It's the right question to ask.

We've been asking it.

And they're still interrogating.

They're still doing search warrants and other things, but they feel pretty confident based on the way this came through.

And I think the question now becomes, in what circle was this young man working?

And what ideology was he lured into?

It sounds like he comes from a good family, obviously a family, if

accurate about the father's cooperation, even doing the right thing at a painful moment like this.

But in what circle was he walking?

And where was he getting radicalizing?

What was the ideology driving this?

And I think we're going to learn a lot about some entities and groups in Utah that will maybe give us some sense of what was festering right below our noses.

This is a problem on social media,

particularly in the last five years.

We've allowed a lot of different ideologies and groups to fester, and they're picking off our children, even children that come in good homes.

And we'll have to just wait and see.

But that's the early assessment I've gotten from law enforcement.

A lot of

parts to be filled in, but they feel very confident they have the man and that the danger to the public has diminished.

That doesn't bring much solace to Charlie Kirk's family, but knowing the guy's in custody, I think is good for the entire country.

I have been informed, and without revealing

any specifics, but I have been informed that

they are

looking into

groups that may have been involved.

You know, this is kind of like,

where was that in Texas, the shooters, where they had people that were helping.

It was coordinated.

And have you heard anything about a possible coordination?

That it wasn't just...

you know, duping some kid and brainwashing some kid, but it was, there was actual coordination and possibly foreign coordination.

They're looking at some things.

I don't think they've come to an assessment yet.

I was familiar yesterday about a look at a couple of groups that they were looking at.

And I don't think they've made a full assessment.

I think that's why the debriefing and getting his phone, getting his computer, getting his video gaming connections, anything that's the part of the phase that they're in now.

There was some leads that they were looking at.

that pointed to, as I said on TV the last couple of days, some possible, there was a tip from a foreign country about

some

operating entities in this area of Utah that might have been involved.

It was just a tip.

I think they're trying to put those pieces together.

We'll find out more in the day or so, but they're open to that possibility.

I don't think they've closed down a certain certitude to it yet.

Yeah.

Tell me what you know about

what's his name, Sky Valal

Valaldez.

Is that it?

Yeah.

He is

the guy who apparently uh had a SoundCloud account uh and on August 7th he posted something, Charlie Kirk dead at 31 uh and he's had a couple of other uh things like that that he has posted in the last few months.

Do we know anything about this guy?

No, I don't yet.

I'm aware of the reports.

I know that the FBI is aware of the reports.

I don't know whether they have found any relevancy to that or whether it's just a provocateur.

We just don't know.

I've not been able to reach this gentleman.

We're trying to do due diligence, but I know of no reason at this moment of a connection other than these reports and the SoundCloud.

We understand that.

I know the FBI was aware of it, but

there's chatter all the day.

One of the great challenges in the world we live in today was so many people wanting to be provocateurs, so many people wanting to express hatred.

We've mainstreamed hatred.

We've made it fashionable in certain circles of young people.

It's almost shocking to me.

But you're sorting through.

And

when you're the FBI and you got a thousand leads.

Some are provocators.

Is that a provocator?

Is that the guy about to commit the next murder?

You don't know.

And I think that's one of the things.

I think the bigger lesson from this is we've allowed a culture of hatred and intolerance to literally boil over to the idea now that people don't have any prohibition talking about wanting to kill someone in an open space.

I mean, most murderers are secretive.

People are talking about those ambitions.

Look at the gentleman that was rolled up in North Carolina a couple of days ago talking on, it YouTube, I'm going to kill a bunch of kids in a school.

We've allowed this culture to boil into a place where it is very dangerous.

Any person could be a stick of dynamite lit.

And I think that's what's dangerous.

Those who like this culture deserve to be held accountable.

We've got to start holding those who are boiling the water accountable.

And I have to tell you, the biggest group that I have seen, I mean, I have been, I've been,

thank God for the ladies at the view.

There's been a lot of people that have come out with good statements, et cetera, et cetera, and condemned all of this.

But the biggest group of people that seem to be celebrating are teachers.

And I find it interesting that the president of UVU, President Tomunez,

has not made a statement at all.

The university did, but the university president didn't make any statement on this.

And I think that's an abomination.

And I would like to know why.

What are her feelings?

Yeah, those are important questions.

And you're right, academia has been a big part of the radicalization of

the last two generations, Millennial and Gen Z.

Gen Z is trending more conservative in general, but there are segments of it that are getting poisoned.

And

there's this romanticism of righteous revolution, which is basically sanctioning hatred and sanctioning violence and sanctioning that the ends justify the means.

And I believe in free speech, even if you're stupid, you're entitled to your free speech.

But we have to find that line where we protect people from the exercise of free speech when it targets a vulnerable person who's capable of being turned into a weapon.

And we don't know enough about this case to make that assessment yet, but we do know of many painful cases before Charlie Kirk's assassination where that is the imperturbined footprint.

And I think everyone that's in the business of education, everyone that's in the business of media, those who showed such bad taste on news shows, shows.

I never thought in my life I would live to a time to see journalists exhibit some of the behavior I saw on news shows in the immediate aftermath of Charlie Kirk's assassination.

We all have a responsibility to clean this up if we're going to keep kids from going down the cliff.

And we're not having a serious enough conversation about it.

We do it for a day or two and then we move on, but it's still festering.

And our enemies, China, Iran, Russia,

they're helping boil it.

I was watching in real time

as we were doing our work on Charlie Kirk and trying to break stories and keep people informed, watching a bot farm, numerous bot farms, foreign bot farms, trying to inflame our dialogue.

And so our enemies, though, were vulnerable to it, and they're adding things upstream.

And then

we got a tough situation.

I have a lot of confidence that we're at a moment of clarity.

And I think there'll be a lot of responsibility in the next few days.

And maybe this...

suspect's story will shake us all to the ground enough to start coming up with solutions because we started talking about it with the Virginia Tech and Columbine shootings.

We haven't come to grips with what's happening in the social media era, but we'll get there.

I have confidence that Americans are going to get the right thing done.

So, John, would you, just this a personal request, because I trust you, and

I've watched you, read you, and listened to you for a very long time, and I think you are really a truly and honorable American.

Thanks, I am concerned.

The last time we went through something like this, we came up with the Patriot Act, and that was a really really bad thing.

And

would you, I would ask that if you see anything brewing like that from either side, their side, our side, anybody's side,

that you would alert me and alert America as soon as and early as you see any kind of inklings arising of that.

We cannot go too far the other way.

No, I mean, listen, you know where this is going to start?

It's going to start in our homes, in our churches, in our communities.

That's where it's rightfully fixed.

It's where we all got

built.

I mean, COVID kind of woke us up.

Like, what's going on in our schools?

I know.

We have to fix this.

Government's not going to fix this.

We have to fix it as a people.

And hopefully this is a moment of clarity for all of us.

But we'll see.

It's terrible that we had to lose Charlie to get to this moment.

But I know he'd want us fighting for the solution.

I know he would, too.

John Sullivan, thank you so much.

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Hello, America.

It's Friday.

It's 9-12.

I don't know if you remember the 9-12 project.

It is something that I started when I was at Fox.

I was concerned that we were going to be all about policies when the Tea Party started.

And I felt we needed to balance the Tea Party with a reminder of the principles and the values that built our country.

And so we started the 9-12 project.

And it was all about education and growing the next generation.

Charlie Kirk was part of that audience.

Charlie Kirk was

one of those kids at the time we were talking about and counting on that would rise up and change the world and how Charlie Kirk did change the world.

9-12 Project

has not been doing anything for a long time, but I heard from a lot of them over the last couple of days.

Because again, Charlie Kirk came from that era of this show.

He was part of our audience and I wanted to give myself and you an opportunity to stand as an audience.

You know this is the most watched and listened to radio podcast in all of America.

It's an enormous audience and you have done some incredible things

and

I feel it's important that we have the opportunity as individuals to say thank you personally.

And you may not be able to go to the funeral.

You may never shake or hug Erica Kirk.

You may never be able to get close enough to say thank you personally.

And

I want them to know the family.

And I want everybody at TPUSA to know how grateful I am as an individual.

And the way that we can do do that is we've started a GoFundMe page or a Give Send Go page.

I want to make sure I get that right.

And the Give Send Go page

you can go to right now.

It's givesendgo.com slash 912 project.

I put in

a ridiculous number up, a goal of $10 million,

because

I know that his children, I was thinking about this yesterday, his children are

young, really young.

And Tanya and I were talking about it.

He could have insurance and whatever.

And I said, honey, you remember when I was in my 40s and we started having children?

And no matter how much money we were making, and Charlie was not making the money we were making, it was still, if I would have died, It wouldn't have covered it.

It wouldn't have happened.

Because you have the whole life in front.

And I read something from Erica today.

She said

there was a scare.

They thought Charlie had been shot a while ago and he was rushed to the hospital and she didn't know what was going on and she was thinking and this came from the time, not recent, from the time that she was going through it.

She said, I don't know if I can raise my children and get them back to heaven without him.

And it is such an amazing family, and I want them to know how much we love them and how grateful we are for the sacrifice that she and her children have given.

So if you would like to be a part of this, go to givesendgo.com slash 912 project.

Now, if Erica decides that at some point the family has enough,

I know her well enough to know that we can trust her with this and she can direct the proceeds to TPUSA to continue their project if they want, but she'd have control of this fund.

And quite honestly, I know this is not going to happen, but when a founder dies,

things can go awry

because others can come in.

And I know this is not going to happen with TPO at USA, but it will give Erica a chance also to make sure that Charlie's goals are

rock solid in the years to come as well.

So please go to givesendgo.com/slash 912 project.

I'm asking for an impossible number, but I would like to give us the opportunity to make a big impact and say thank you not only to her family, but also the people at TPUSA.

Guys, you are not alone.

You are loved.

You are appreciated.

And you are so critical.

to 2028 and beyond.

You cannot stop.

You have to continue to do what you're doing because you made all the difference last time.

And quite honestly, just politically speaking, the left is hoping that you are out now.

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All right, let me go to Michaela in Ohio.

Hello, Michaela.

Hi, thank you so much for having me today.

I'm with the Abortion Survivors Network.

I was born in an abortion clinic.

It was estimated that I was born the late second trimester, early third trimester, based on my lack of development.

So Charlie played a huge role in me sharing my story.

He had actually been one of the first major people to repost it early on in me sharing.

And I was in shock.

I still really felt like nobody would care.

No one would want to hear what I had to say.

He encouraged myself and others to continue to share and fight courageously.

So as we're preparing here for our 40 40 Days for Life, where I'm actually helping to kick it off here in Cincinnati and prayer and in fasting, I really just wanted to say with myself, alongside our local leaders here in Ohio from Butler, Clark County, my dear friends at Moms for Liberty in Madison County and Cuyahoga, you know, the greenup mayor and his sweet fiancé, we are all grieving with you and the nation.

And we've all made vows to carry on the torch for Charlie.

A reporter yesterday said that Charlie didn't point left, he didn't point right, he pointed up.

And that's what we need to continue to do.

And perhaps, just perhaps, this country is at its turning point.

You know, it's

amazing.

Thank you, Michaela.

Thank you for all that you do.

And thank you for sharing that.

It is amazing that Charlie, I don't believe in coincidence, and Charlie called his organization turning point.

And his life and now his death, it truly is the turning point.

His life was the turning point that won the last election.

What he did and what TPUSA did in the last election, that was a turning point.

Now in his death is an even bigger turning point.

And I think there is going to be a revival in this nation.

And I believe

this is one of the big turning points that will point to that.

I also am a little haunted today.

You know, when I was thinking about naming my new venture that starts in January,

the torch came to me

and part of it was because of the blaze and, you know, that's a big fire.

And now just take your individual torch and put it in.

Take that fire and carry it yourself.

And I find it remarkable coincidence that everyone is now saying about picking up the torch and picking up Charlie's torch.

And I wonder how much God had

a role in picking that name and picking the name of turning point because they all seem so appropriate today.

Ryan in Utah, you were at the event?

Hello?

Yes, go ahead, Ryan.

Brian, but yeah.

Okay, sorry, Brian.

It's okay.

I was at the event.

I was maybe 10, 15 feet away from it, and I was right in the front row.

And

I was like, How old are you, Brian?

What?

How old are you?

I'm

19.

Please tell me.

Please tell me you didn't actually

see the impact and the after.

Did you?

I had an unobstructed view.

I saw it perfectly.

Oh my gosh.

I am so sorry.

But there's something that I really, really want to talk about that I haven't heard anybody speak of yet.

And that's what Charlie's real last conversation was.

I mean,

I've been listening to Charlie Kirk for years.

He's changed my life.

And he's increased my faith in God.

And

the last,

like, the first question he took, which was the only question he really took,

he ended it with bearing his testimony about his Savior, Jesus Christ, and that he believed that Jesus Christ rose from the dead and the resurrection.

And then he sealed that testimony in his blood.

And

people need to know

that was his

very last stand

with God.

And there was

hell unleashed before my eyes.

And it was

insane.

But

we need to know that

there was also the Spirit, and God is with us, and God can be with us and turn this into a movement to change our country and to eradicate these evils.

We need to turn to Christ now and to pray because prayer works.

The only thing that was able to

calm me down and my friends who were there,

we just prayed.

I know.

Brian, thank you so much.

You're right on.

And I think that is the turning point.

I really do.

I think, you know, what a way to go.

I mean, I don't mean to be,

you understand, we're adults here.

We can talk about this.

But is there a better way to go than talking about how much you believe in Jesus Christ and giving your testimony and then someone taking your life?

I mean, that is, that's a martyr.

And by the way,

we must stop calling Charlie anything other than a civil rights leader.

We need to plant that stake deep.

It is time that we point out that

what he was doing was not politics.

What he was doing was trying to stand up for people's civil rights, to show people how a civilization is not a civilization, unless you can have a dialogue with people who are diametrically opposed to you, that don't believe anything that you believe in.

And yet you can have a civil dialogue and how important that is.

That's our civil right, our right to free speech.

And that gunman was trying to take that right away from him and from you and everyone else.

Shut up.

You will be silenced.

You will not say those things.

And there has been a force in this country to try to convince people that you don't have a right, that you have a responsibility to silence others.

You don't.

In this country, one of our main civil rights is we can express ourselves the way we feel we need to express ourselves.

And I'm sorry if you don't like it.

You have to just take it and then say, I'd like to have a discussion with you on that.

I'd like to know how you got there.

I'd like to have the opportunity to argue against that.

And you have that right to argue against it.

And hopefully, if we are more like Charlie Kirk, we're having

those dialogues with each other in a civilized fashion.

But make no mistake, Charlie Kirk was a civil rights leader as much as Martin Luther King.

I'm waiting to see the first city that will make a Charlie Kirk Boulevard.

Phoenix, you should be the one.

There's a Martin Luther King Boulevard.

There should be a Charlie Kirk Boulevard.

Charlie Kirk was a civil rights leader, and we must take that for him

and own that.

Because all of these so-called civil rights leaders,

Black Lives Matter, that was a money scam that had nothing to do with anything other than money and power.

Charlie was actually fighting for civil rights.

Okay, sorry, I feel a little passionate about that.

Let's go to John in Maryland.

Hello, John.

John, let me go to Mary in Indiana.

Hello, Mary.

Welcome.

Good morning, Glenn.

Don't make me cry.

Don't you make me cry.

I was introduced to Charlie in 2015 with my 15-year-old and with 600 people at George Washington in D.C.

And the thing that struck me the most is that every politician that came, and it was everybody at the highest level from the Capitol,

came and spoke to Turning Point kids, and they didn't talk about politics or their individual political race.

They talked about values and characters and marriage.

And I remember later on, years later, Jesse Waters did a talk about

polish your shoes, cut your hair, stand up straight,

wear a white shirt.

They didn't talk about how they felt about politics, and it was values from the very beginning in 2015.

The most impressive speech, run of speeches I ever saw from Turning Point was in West Palm.

And Charlie, I believe the order was Charlie introduced you, you introduced Rush Limbaugh and Rush introduced Donald Trump.

And these kids, it's probably three, four thousand by then,

were just were spellbound by Donald Trump.

And you, you talked about history.

Rush talked about, I think, how he got there and what he was doing.

And Donald Trump talked about whatever he wanted to talk about for 45 or 50 minutes.

Only that long.

Oh, that's pretty short.

It might be longer.

Yeah.

Mary, thank you so much.

And thank you for remembering Charlie.

And, you know, it's amazing because the 9-12 project was about values and principles.

And, you know, I'm not as smart as Charlie was.

And I knew that instinctively, that that's what we had to do.

And Charlie just did it.

And that's what Turning Point did.

He was all about values and principles, not about politics, although it did spill into politics.

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There's an ongoing press conference going right now with the FBI, Cash Patel, governor of Utah as well there.

A bunch of stuff came out.

We can go through all of it.

Maybe some of the more important stuff is they have gone through some of these inscriptions on the bullets and other.

So it is true.

Well, yeah, so

one of the inscriptions read, hey, fascist, catch.

Oh, my gosh.

Some of the other stuff I would say is pretty hard to decipher what it means.

You know, there's a bunch of random arrows in there.

If you're on the left and you don't have any and you feel like, oh, no, Charlie Kirk bought that on,

who was it that was calling him a fascist?

Who was it that was broadcasting?

You know, Stephen King, you know, I saw something from Dave Rubin yesterday.

Stephen King actually tweeted, Charlie Kirk deserved it.

He, you know, he wanted to stone gays to death.

How dare you, Stephen King?

How dare you say that he never.

ever would be for anything like that.

How dare you say that?

And, you know, Dave Rubin was the right word person to stand up for him because Dave is gay, married, and has children.

And Charlie and his wife used to go to Dave's house.

They were good friends.

You know, these people are just monsters.

They're truly monsters when they try to engage in this kind of stuff.

Definitely a hardcore effort to try to paint this guy as, I mean, the family seems like a nice family.

Everything that you can kind of find, they did turn him in.

He seems to have a,

worked for a sheriff's office for a long time, the father.

There's another one there with a direct reference to an Italian anti-fascist song as well.

So

that's what we have so far.

Okay.

They have him in custody.

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And now, with the assassination of civil rights leader Charlie Kirk,

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Stu was just talking about the things that are on these bullets.

And it looks like there wasn't a transgender.

That was what came out yesterday.

There may have been one.

What was the bullet on the, what was the one that said bulges?

Yeah, it says

notices bulges.

O-W.

Not sure what that means.

And then it says, what's this question mark?

So you could see that.

Again, a lot of it is maybe

a lot of it is

juvenile

comedy type stuff, right?

So, like, it's written in a very trolling, like, internet language, and some of it.

So, you could see this essentially meaning it could potentially, you know, when you're talking about bulge, that word is used at times.

Uh, if you say, Yes, hey, someone sees a bulge, and then what's this?

You could argue that has something to do with trans stuff, but not like there's not like a statement out of the ones they've released, there's not a blatant statement of trans ideology.

There is anti-fascist ideology.

And anti-capitalism.

And yeah, the song

Chaubella, which was

a song that is an anti-fascist song from Italy that they still use, I believe, today to talk about the end of fascism.

But it was an anti-fascist, anti-capitalist anthem from back in the day.

And it was also brought up.

It was in a recent, I think, Netflix show, if I'm not mistaken.

It was kind of brought back up in popular culture used in that way.

You know,

this goes to the education in, you know, and I, and I heard, and I don't know if this is true, so please know this is something that I heard from somebody that was in class at UVU in Utah that said when it was found out, when the teacher or somebody said that Charlie Kirk had been shot on campus, the class cheered.

And that teacher, from what I understand, did not say anything anything about that.

All of these teachers, any of these teachers that are still preaching this anti-capitalism, anti-fascist garbage,

and any teacher that was online or in class saying anything other than, if my class would have cheered,

I would have been horrified.

And I would have said, stop it right now.

We may not like Charlie Kirk.

We may not agree with his message, but he has a right to speak.

Stop that.

And any teacher that didn't do that in a cheering classroom, any teacher that is cheering this stuff on or is excusing this needs to be fired.

I don't care if you're a kindergarten teacher or a tenured professor.

And if those universities won't fire those people that are encouraging revolution in our country, their federal funding should be cut off.

I don't have a problem with free speech.

I don't have a problem.

You're an anti-capitalist.

You're an

whatever.

You don't like the right.

You don't like John.

You have a right to have that opinion.

But if you are encouraging this kind of stuff and encouraging revolution, you do not have a place in an American classroom.

Period.

Period.

And Glenn, if I may,

we still don't know a lot, right?

We still are at the very beginning of this.

And it's important to note that a lot of these things can change and our understanding of this can change.

However, what we do know

fits an interesting pattern that we've discussed for a very long time.

What we're looking at is the initial indications of this family seems to be a very good family.

It seems to be that.

Hang on, let me interrupt.

Please pray for this family.

Please pray for this family.

Let's remember how the Amish.

dealt with the shooter there.

Remember the Amish, the milkman that came into the Amish community, lived in the community, went into the school and killed all of their children, just killed them in school.

And while the families were still, they were still taking the bodies out of the classroom, one Amish man said to his wife, my gosh, that mom that lives here in our own community of the shooter, She lost a child too, and we haven't thought of anything about her.

And they went and comforted her while they were still pulling their children's bodies out of the classroom.

They are remarkable people and we should be more like that.

We should embrace this family and help this family heal.

They are suffering as well and how much of a pariah they must feel like.

The whole world is condemning them.

You know what it's like to be a parent today.

We have to be there for this family.

Yeah, the initial reporting is that, and again, it's important to note that we don't know all of this and we will know more as we go forward.

But the initial reporting is that the family seemed like a very good family, that the kids seemed like kids that were good in school, were somewhat high achievers,

that

at least up until they left for college, everything seemed to be going pretty darn well.

And then we see reports also that the parents said that he had become full of hate, that he had become

much more political political very recently, and that this ends, allegedly, with this shooter writing, killing Charlie Kirk because he believes he's a fascist.

Now, we know, and we have talked about for a very long time, that

everybody in the media, everybody on the left has been telling the American people that

any conservative figure, anyone who wants lower taxes, anyone who believes a man is a man and a woman is a woman, and all the things that we've talked about over the years, all of those people are fascists, and there's no other way to talk about it.

We don't know that this is what happened, but it fits the fact pattern that we've been worried about for a very long time.

Someone who grows up, who has a head on his shoulders, who goes to a university, who is bathed in internet culture and political nonsense from the people that we talk about on a daily basis telling us lies about who's a fascist and who isn't, and eventually gets to a place where he decides to murder a young father because he believes he's a fascist.

It fits a fact pattern that we've worried about for a very long time.

You know, it is, it's shocking, but in a way, so not, right?

It's

so predictable.

It's not stunning or shocking at all.

I can predict what's coming next.

It's not hard.

It is not hard unless we turn this corner

as we salute civil rights leader Charlie Kirk today, I want to hear from you, 888-727-BCK.

Can I start with line four and Avi in Florida?

Hello, Avi.

Welcome.

Hi, Glenn.

I'm 16 years old.

I'm an American Israeli, and I just started my turning point USA chapter a couple months ago at the Student Action Summit.

Charlie Kirk to me was a hero and an inspiration, and he's the reason I started to speak out about politics.

I started my influencer page on Instagram because of him.

It feels like we lost like a best friend and there's just a void there that I think all the youth and the teenagers feel right now.

And it's just heartbreaking.

And I want to thank you for continuing the fight for freedom.

Javi, I'm so sorry that at your age that you are going through this.

I mean, I'm having a hard time dealing with it at my age, but I can't imagine what it is like because I know Charlie.

I mean, everybody felt like they knew Charlie Kirk, whether you met him or not.

He was just that kind of guy and a really nice, caring guy that would stop and take and spend the world of time with you

if you needed it.

And

I'm so sorry, but learn that this is, learn that what Charlie stood for and died for were

the principles that our founders outlined, the God-given rights.

But also,

he died in the same way he tried to live his life, worshiping God and trying to be civil and having civil dialogue with people.

And it's going to be up to your generation, not mine.

Your generation is going to make all the difference in the world.

And you will choose.

And don't let this plant hatred.

And in fact, let this do the exact opposite.

Let this water the love of

God

and

the duty to God.

Let that water in you and and have it just take deep, deep root in you.

Thank you, Avi.

Let me uh take Matt.

Hello, Matt.

Hey.

Oh, wow.

What a bright young lady that last uh caller was.

Um,

I am a 32-year-old, um, same age as Charlie, and I have two little kids like him, and I've been having a hard time

just with everything.

I mean, I just

uh

I've been listening to him since I was 18 and a long time.

It's just hard.

I'm just the one thing I'm afraid of, he was like the like the dam, you know, between

people be able to talk to each other like good and evil.

And I'm just afraid that some bad actors

are going to try to fill that void.

You know, a big void that's lost.

Is it

or or or Matt, is it is it going to be filled with you and Avi and millions of others?

I mean, he sealed his

he sealed his testimony and what he believed about God and the country and our civil rights.

He sealed that with his own blood.

And, you know, you kill a tyrant and his reign ends.

You kill a martyr and his reign begins.

And Charlie is bigger and more powerful today and the years to come.

Should we choose, his message will grow into something way beyond anything he could have accomplished in life because it forces all of us to stop and say, what is it that I really believe?

And if you believe what Charlie believed, you have a responsibility, just as he, and And Charlie and I, I said this yesterday to some degree.

Charlie and I spent some time on a balcony one day in Miami.

And he asked me, we were alone, just the two of us, and we were having a very tough conversation on things.

And he asked me, what do you think is coming?

And I said, Charlie, you know, you know what's coming.

You're a student of history.

The only thing left are assassinations.

And he said, God forbid.

And I said, I know, God forbid.

But, you know,

you know who the targets will be.

It will be the people like Donald Trump, but it could also be people like you or me.

And

we have to have a pact with one another that whatever happens in the future, that each of us stand and say, that cannot happen.

That cannot be.

And preach for peace and love and forgiveness.

I know what Charlie, we talked about it.

I know what Charlie would want his people to do.

I know what I want my people to do.

And

that's you.

That's you.

You will make the difference between good and evil.

You are now the new dam holding the water back of evil.

And you can do it.

You can do it.

Thanks, Blen.

I really appreciate that.

You're welcome.

I think

there's a lot of strong voices still out there.

I mean, you're one of them.

I listened to Matt Walsh.

I think he's a very good guy.

Same as Michael Knowles.

I'm just afraid of these other voices, like, for instance, Nick Wentz.

I think he is not a very good actor.

I just don't.

I know.

You've got a lot of power with a lot of young men's

voices, you know what I mean?

Well,

you know what?

I'm not going to comment on him,

but I will just tell you this.

Darkness doesn't win.

Evil doesn't win.

It never does.

It never, ever does.

But we have, this is what Martin Luther King believed.

You take evil and you show evil and you put it right next to a picture of good.

And people

will always choose good.

In the end, they all will choose good.

Nobody wants to be evil.

Nobody wants to do that.

And evil has taken a real foothold in us because we have been apathetic.

We have been

convinced that we don't have any power, that we don't.

Forget about all of that.

I want you to think small.

I want you to dream big.

Dream huge.

freedom, that America can come back and we can change the world.

Dream all of those great dreams that we actually live up to our Declaration of Independence and our mission statement there.

Dream that big.

But I want you to think small.

Stop thinking about the Charlie Kirks and the big movement.

Start thinking about you and your life and what you're going to do.

Because I promise you, this changes when you choose your thinking, you choose your thoughts to be creative and peacemaking and loving and true.

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Welcome to Friday, America.

It's been a tough week.

Max Lakato, America's pastor, is going to join us here in just a second.

I can't wait to get his perspective and his thoughts on what's happened this week.

But I want to make sure that we frame things the right way here today.

I've gone through every possible emotion this week, but I am starting to get clarity.

And, you know, words have real meaning, as we...

as we know.

Words matter.

And we have to choose our words really carefully because

words can either cloud the truth or bring clarity to a generation.

And the words you choose, the thoughts you choose, are game-changing because that is the creative process.

It starts with a thought and speech and then it becomes a reality.

And the one...

The one area that really needs clarity in today's world, two words, civil rights.

That phrase back in the 1960s really meant something.

It meant something deeply important.

And Martin Luther King sealed his blood and his testimony on civil rights in America.

And it changed us.

But over the years, that phrase has been captured and twisted, and it doesn't have any true meaning anymore.

BLM was a civil rights, no, it wasn't.

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that is not America, and that's not true, and it's darkness, and it's not where the fight for true civil rights is today.

The civil rights struggle of this generation is not about the size of government handouts or reparations.

It's about whether the individual, a free man or woman created in the image of God, can still live their own life, choose their own path, choose what medicines they put into their body, how they live, how they work, can still speak without fear, can still challenge power without reprisal, can still engage in dialogue without being shot.

That is the true civil rights discussion and struggle that we face.

And just as Martin Luther King did, Charlie Kirk sealed his testimony this week.

He knew that free speech is not just an amendment, it is the lifeblood of a free people.

And he carried that burden over and over again into the public square.

And he faced ridicule, hatred, and eventually the ultimate price.

And I believe it must be proclaimed in doing so, he joined the ranks of those who prove that courage is the only passport to freedom.

He joined the ranks of the great civil rights leaders this week.

Civil rights demands responsibility, the responsibility to speak with honesty, with

an even temper, to speak truth with love and respect, and that's what he did.

It carries with it a responsibility to hear other people, a responsibility to steward liberty so it doesn't collapse into a license of chaos.

This is why Charlie Kirk meant so much to so many people.

It doesn't fit neatly into the narratives of the 1960s.

It reclaimed the essence, however, of what civil rights have always meant, personal freedom bound by personal responsibility.

And if we allow his work to be misread, diminished, or mislabeled, we lose the thing that he gave his very life to defend.

But we have to, we must call him for what he was, the civil rights leader of our age.

Then his example becomes a torch we can pass on for one

to another.

So the question here is not whether Charlie Kirk was a civil rights leader.

The question is whether we will take up the civil rights struggle that he defined, the right to speak freely, to think independently, to live responsibly as freemen and women under an almighty God.

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We go to America's pastor, Max Lucato, next.

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My good friend and just a man who has brought so much light to the world, Max Lucato.

Hello, Max.

How are you?

Glenn, I'm like you.

I'm just sad.

I feel a heaviness in my heart.

We knew the week was going to be somber because of 9-11,

but we went to

just a different shadow, a different level of sadness at this assassination of a good man.

I'm sorry for you.

I know that you

have a personal connection

and I know that you treasure the wonderful state of Utah.

And

what a heartbreak for this to happen in that wonderful state.

So there's just a variety of emotions that I'm feeling.

I stand shoulder to shoulder with you, though, in acknowledging that this is a very, very dark day.

Max, we're airing the

podcast.

It's out for Blaze TV subscribers today.

Tomorrow it'll go everywhere.

And I think, honestly, I've been thinking about it every day since we recorded it.

And I think it's one of the the more important broadcasts that I've ever done.

Your words are so,

so important and so clarifying, especially now.

But we recorded it before Charlie was killed.

And I wanted to give you the opportunity to add an addendum to what we talk about.

Can you give us any

thoughts on how to process all of this and what the job is for those of us going forward and how we can can guard ourselves from going dark.

Yes, yes.

Thank you so much for that opportunity.

I'll do my best to just offer a few

abbreviated ideas.

Let's acknowledge, first of all, this for what it is.

It's tragic.

It's just tragic.

It's the death of a good man.

And that's enough.

But if there's even more, it's the

fear that this fragile treasure that we call free speech

is going to be taken away.

We treasure this idea of free speech, and we must monitor it.

We must be good curators of it.

And so

what we're experiencing this week is a sadness and a fear, a sadness that something we treasure is lost, a fear that will never recover.

In the topic, the podcast you and I had, which was a wonderful conversation, we talked about how an untruth tends to lead to a false narrative that leads to an overreaction.

I tease, I call it again.

But an untruth, untruth, leads to a false narrative that always leads to an overreaction.

An untruth in this case.

In this case, it could be, you know, the world is going over the edge.

Our country is lost.

That's an untruth.

That's not true.

That's not true.

We can rise above this.

We can be better than this.

We can call each other to be better citizens than this.

But there is an untruth that's going to surface that's going to cause somebody to say

it's too late.

We've gone too far.

That'll lead to a false narrative.

They may try to treat this pain inappropriately with violence themselves or violence against themselves, and that leads to an overreaction.

An overreaction is going to be an angry outburst.

It's going to be increased violence.

It's going to be isolation.

So we've got to stand against that and speak truth.

Here's the truth, Glenn.

The truth is we have a beautiful country.

We are treasured.

We are privileged to live in the greatest country in the history of the world.

That's the truth.

And the right narrative is we can rise up above this.

I would call upon those in my generation, I'm 70, speak to your children, speak to your grandchildren, tell them that we got through this in the 60s and the 70s.

It's tragic, it's horrible, but we're going to be better because of that.

And let that lead to a good reaction, a reaction in which I personally make a decision.

I'm going to be more respectful of those with whom I disagree.

I'm going to put the golden rule to practice as you wish that others would do to you, do so to them.

I'm going to be a better neighbor.

So we can be better because of this.

And that's my prayer.

I think that's the decision.

I don't know how this is going to impact the entire nation, but I do know it can impact me.

And I'm resolved.

And I hope all of our listeners today are resolved to be a better person because of it.

You know, Max, I've talked about God on the air when it was really uncomfortable.

In fact, one of the reasons I left Fox was I was told by Roger Ailes, stop talking about God.

And I was in his office and I said, okay, okay.

And he called me back a month after that.

And he said, do you know how many times you've said, you remember this conversation we had?

And I said, yes.

And he said, do you know how many times?

And I said, no.

And he said, I think you counted.

And I think it was like 92 times.

You mentioned, you said the word God 92 times in the last month.

And I'm like, yeah, well,

I'm sorry, but that's what I believe.

And

now,

when I was doing it back then,

I knew how.

dangerous it was in a way because people were not willing to share the gospel.

They weren't willing to talk talk about God in public.

Charlie, one of the things that he did was he has made this, he and others have made God an open conversation.

God is back in a big way for millions of Americans.

And I really think I've seen.

I've seen so many posts on X and Facebook this week.

I read one yesterday on the air that just said, I don't know what this is, but I just feel like going to church and giving my life to Jesus.

I think

this could be the beginning, just as though the way I feel the assassinations in the 60s helped lead to that Jesus revival in the 1970s.

I think there's a revival coming.

Amen.

And we're seeing that.

You know, we're seeing young

Gen Z lead the way in church attendance.

It's up by 27% of young people are saying they want to attend church and that is being led by males.

Typically, you know, we're always being critical of the guys because they don't go to church.

In this case, it's the guys

who are leading the way.

And so that's super encouraging.

Charlie Kirk embraced a Christian worldview.

That is to say that we were created to live in a perfect relationship with God, with each other, with nature.

We're living in a fallen world right now because of sin.

Interestingly, the first fruit of that fall of Adam and Eve was an act of violence.

One brother killed the other.

When we're distant from God, we get distant from each other.

When we're at peace with God, we can be at peace with each other.

But Charlie acknowledged that we're in a season in the long eternal history of our relationship with God in which many people reject him.

And the consequence of that is anger and sin and rebellion and distortion and hurt.

But the day is coming in which

the goodness of God will be made plentiful on the earth and we will reign and rule with him in peace.

That's the Christian worldview.

And Charlie embraced this.

It's essential.

I think secularism sucks the soul out of a person.

It turns them into an empty, self-centered person.

I I believe the Christian faith, rightly accepted, causes us to set our focus on our Maker, and that's how we were intended to live.

So, Max, I'm going to take a one-minute break.

And if you could, I wanted to prepare you for this because I want to ask you to do something that I think some people would find controversial, but I don't.

You know, they caught the shooter today.

And from

all indications, this was a good kid, then got screwed up in college,

and a good family as well.

I don't know all of the details, but I think of the Amish when they had their children shot at school, and they immediately went to embrace the mother of this shooter

because they felt, you know, you lost somebody too.

We lost our children.

You lost your children.

And it was an amazing moment.

I feel...

the pain of this family that they're living in a community that they have got to feel completely alone and that everyone is looking at them saying,

you monsters.

And it's not the family.

It's the choices that this kid made himself and the family.

We need to embrace the family.

Would you, let me take a break and when we come back, would you just lead the nation in a prayer of

healing and

forgiveness and

love for one another?

Could you do that?

Yes, sir.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

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As we mourn the loss of our dear friend and civil rights leader, Charlie Kirk, we also

reflect on the choices ahead of us on how we treat each other and the choices we make for our country and how we deal with all of this.

Max is here.

Max, go ahead.

Heavenly Father, we come to you now in the name of all that is good and sacred.

We remember Jesus who hung on the cross, experiencing himself such a horrific act of violence.

And yet even in that moment, you said, Father, forgive them.

They do not know what they do.

Father, would you please let mercy fall upon us and let the healing of the nation begin with the person we see in the mirror.

Grant, O Heavenly Father, by the power of your Spirit, a resolve to be kind, especially to those with whom we disagree, to to practice the golden rule.

And before we speak a word, before we respond to a text, and before we enter a message on social media, that we would say what you've told us to say.

How can I treat this person the way I want to be treated?

Father, we feel like we're at an inflection point in society.

We feel like we're standing at a crossroads and we want to go in the direction of peace and harmony and free speech.

We beg you, Heavenly Father, to continue your blessings upon this wonderful country.

Let us be a greenhouse of faith, a place where it's safe to grow.

And as

we have already discussed, we beg mercy upon the family of this assassin.

Oh, my goodness, what desolation, what heartbreak, what sorrow they must feel.

Would you please have mercy upon them?

And, Heavenly Father, mercy upon him, upon him.

He is created by you in in your image, and we pray that that image currently so tarnished and buried would come to surface in some act of repentance and salvation.

I thank you for my friend Glenn and his faith.

I know this is personal for him in so many ways.

And I thank you, Father, for the good people of the state of Utah.

And we beg your mercy to be upon the governor and those who are making decisions.

And we do ask you, Father, to take what was intended for evil and turn it into something good, as only you can do.

And we offer this prayer through our Savior.

Amen.

Amen.

Max, I am so honored to be counted among your friends.

And

I hope so many people listen to the podcast that we did together.

a few short days ago before Charlie was killed, because I think it is your message in this podcast is one of the best I've ever heard

and so important for today.

I love you, my friend.

Thank you.

Love you, too.

Thank you for the invitation.

You bet.

Max Lucato, he's the author of a book called Tame Your Thoughts.

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Do you know how we change the world?

We don't change it through

big moments.

The world changes because of big moments.

But if we want to

change the world ourselves,

we have to change ourselves first.

And we have to be great examples.

You know,

I am...

I've been struck all week because I've been listening to my friends and their podcasts, and I've talked to my friends on their podcasts and off the air and I've had so many conversations this week with the people that you listen to all the time.

And we're all in the same place and we're all saddened, deeply saddened.

Some are very worried.

And we all

we all have done shows and said things on and off the air that I don't know if the left would

do.

They they

I've been listening to people on the air, and I've taken calls today, and

nobody is screaming for blood.

And I am so proud of us.

It gives me such profound hope

because

the tone would be extraordinarily different if it was happening the other way around.

And you know it.

But let me take it.

Let me take you to an uncomfortable place.

Let me tell you a story that

we just don't even think of.

We have the shooter in custody now.

And by all accounts, he was a good kid and went to college and then just was all screwed up.

And I want you to think about that family for a minute.

We've been thinking about Charlie's family.

We've been thinking about his children as is right and we must and we have a duty to take care of them.

But I want you to think about the family of the one that pulled the trigger.

I want you to just pause for a second and imagine for a minute

a mom, just like you were a mom.

You know, holding her baby boy and whispering prayers over the crib just like you did.

A dad who worked long days, believing if you just keep food on the table and discipline in the home, and you try to do the right thing, your son is going to grow up as strong and he's going to do good.

Brothers, sisters, cousins,

all of them now watching in horror

as the name that they all share is now cursed.

As their mailbox fills not with condolence, but with hatred.

Imagine being that family in a few days going to the grocery store.

How afraid you would be.

Just not even that somebody would do something, but just going through the gauntlet of stares.

The

people that are questioning you and

you imagine how alone you would feel at that moment?

You would just want to crawl into a hole.

You would be questioning and tearing yourself apart.

What did I do wrong as a parent that my kid did this.

What did I do wrong?

You'd already have that, and then you'd have no one,

no one outside of the family that would be with you.

The neighbors across the street that you've known forever and have known you,

friends that fall silent.

You're no longer a friend.

Maybe the church pew that you go to, it's the one next to you, sits empty now.

Nobody's sitting next to you.

What would it mean?

What would it do

for them to see just one neighbor?

Maybe somebody they barely even know.

Maybe somebody they don't even know.

They're in the grocery store and they're expecting all of these glares.

And they pass somebody that offers them not a glare, but just a glance of kindness, not approval, not excuse,

but just a small recognition that the tragedy has claimed their family as well.

I don't know if I could have done this if I hadn't have raised my children and made so many mistakes that I have made.

You know, I.

I'm learning some ugly truths about myself in this last year and

things that I have a lot of work to do.

And,

you know, when I got into radio when I was 13 years old, and this,

this is my best friend.

This has never rejected me.

This is, I can tell it anything.

And my kids have noticed that I

spend so much time with you.

When I go out in public, I love talking to you.

And I've realized recently,

to my shame, that

My relationship with you may be the only relationship I'm good at.

I don't know how to do other relationships.

And I tried to be a good dad and I've tried to do just like you have.

We all have.

We all have.

But raising a kid is the hardest calling on earth.

If you are a parent, you know it, especially today.

You don't have any idea what you're doing.

You have no idea.

Everything has changed.

Nothing with our kids is like it was.

I can't even relate to it.

I feel horrible for the kids of today because I don't know how to help them.

And we can pour ourselves out.

We can be there.

I really have tried to be there for my kids every step of the way.

We've tried to teach them the scriptures.

We've tried to pray without ceasing.

You can sacrifice as a parent until there's nothing left to sacrifice.

And still

You can lose them because the world is waiting.

Bad friends, social media, dark influences, the illness of the body or the mind, or

frankly, the poisonous philosophies at the schools and universities that now train our young men and women, not in the light of God and good and

yearn to be better, but in grievance and shadow.

And any one of those influences can reach out and grab and snatch one of our children that we have loved beyond measure.

We can do everything right,

and they can still be snatched.

And then we're left

saying, Lord, what did I miss?

What did I fail to do?

What could I have done different?

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I urge all of us to see this family of the shooter.

We're not seeing monsters.

We are not.

We are seeing what any one of us could have become.

Should fate or

frailty just twist the lives of those we love.

What sets us apart is the commandment from Christ to love our enemies.

You know, character doesn't count when you're not under pressure.

It doesn't count.

You can be the nicest person in the world, but when you're under extreme pressure, that true character comes out on who you really are.

We are under extreme pressure.

So who are we really?

Are we like

those we stand against?

Are we like, or do we love our enemies?

Do we actually put that into practice?

Do we pray for those who persecute and hate us?

You know, when Jesus said all this stuff, he wasn't naive.

He, more than anybody else, knew the pain of betrayal and the sting of an unjust death.

And yet, while they drove nails into his hands and wrists, into his feet,

while they pushed a crown of thorns deep into his head,

he offered mercy

to the thief on the cross, forgiveness to those who were driving nails.

The last couple of days, we've done everything we can to honor Charlie's life.

And in the coming days, we need to honor Charlie's life again by picking up the torch and

picking it up where he left off to defend freedom and civil rights.

But more than anything else, the reason why Charlie Kirk was a true civil rights leader is because

He was a Christian first.

He was a God-fearing man first.

He could love his enemies.

He could speak to his enemies

with a civility that is beyond most of us.

If we want to honor his memory truly,

then that's the torch we should pick up.

To be a better disciple of Christ, to be so much better as individuals than the world would expect us to be.

Because that's what will change everything when we are so much better than what the world world would expect us to be that it's almost breathtaking.

The Amish,

the Amish, when they forgave the mother and comforted the mother before they even had all of the bodies out of the school where the shooter had killed their children, they worried about the mother of that shooter and went to comfort her.

And they went to her home and surrounded her.

She was terrified when she saw out her window that there are all these Amish people and she knew her son had just killed all their children, you should hear her testimony.

She was terrified to open the door.

She opened the door and they started to weep.

They said, Sister, you're not alone.

We lost a child, and you lost a child.

And they made her promise, You will never move from our community.

You are now one of us.

You are not an outsider.

You're one of us.

We grieve together.

That's breathtaking.

That's hard.

Showing rage is so much easier.

Being mad is so much easier.

But saying kind thoughts,

showing compassion is so hard

to lift our gaze above the abyss of vengeance

and instead see this one broken family

who, like us, only wanted to raise a child to the light.

This is what I mean by what I've been saying lately.

Think small, dream big.

I want to heal the world.

I don't know how to do that.

But if I think small, I realize the greatest act of civil courage is not shouted in the the streets.

It's whispered in each of our hearts, Lord,

heal them too.

Let me be more compassionate,

more empathetic.

Let me be more like you.

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Glenn

Beck.

Welcome to the Glenbeck program.

I'm going to be with the Turning Point USA family

next week.

They have asked me to sit in Charlie's chair for a couple of days and

host his podcast and radio broadcast.

I'll be doing that next Wednesday and Thursday from his studio,

as well as doing this program as well.

But, you know, it's 9-12 today.

9-12 turned into something very important because to me, it was the day that

we discovered who we really were, that

we came together after 9-11.

We were afraid, but then the next day we were good to each other and we stopped and we hugged strangers and

we were good for that day.

We were really good.

And then we got lost in politics and everything else and we made some mistakes along the way, but

that was an amazing moment.

And so in 2008, I tried to start something called the 9-12 Project.

You might remember it.

It had members all over the country and it was part of the Tea Party, but it was,

my goal was to make sure that the Tea Party remembered that it was principles and values, not just policies, but principles and values.

And it was important to teach the youth the history of our country and what our country really meant and to teach them to become leaders that are rooted in those values and principles.

Charlie Kirk was a listener of mine.

I met him when he was 17 years old.

He sent me a,

he tweeted, Glenn Beck, I'm a 17-year-old student.

I listen to you every day, and I speak now at tea parties about debt and deficit and fight liberal bias.

He was a young kid who was amazing.

He came from this audience.

And

I wanted his family to know how grateful we are as an audience, as a group of people, for him taking.

And that's what he created.

The 9-12 Project, what I wanted was what he created at Turning Point USA.

And I am so grateful.

And I want his people at Turning Point to know.

So we're doing a fundraiser.

We just started it.

It will go to Erica and his children.

And if she deems that they can use some of the money for Turning Point, she can do that.

I have a huge goal of $10 million to help them.

So far, just in the last couple of hours, we're up to $250,000.

Please go to Give SendGo.

Even a dollar makes a difference.

sendgo.com/slash 912 project.