'It Was a MIRACLE': Glenn Beck Reacts to Charlie Kirk's Memorial | 9/22/25

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Just got back last night late from the Charlie Kirk Memorial Service.

It was a miracle.

It was a miracle.

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Hello, Stu.

Glenn, welcome back from Arizona.

Thank you.

Thank you.

I'm curious to see how everything was yesterday.

I mean, just watching it was impressive on television, but being there must have been

quite the experience.

It was

miraculous.

I wish, I don't know how it was covered on TV.

So I have no idea what it felt like when you were watching it or listening to it.

But the first, well, first of all, the first hour, which I don't think anybody was covering unless you were watching it on TPUSA or on the Blaze, I think we have it all on Blaze YouTube.

But the music at the beginning, it was a worship service.

And it was, it's the best worship service I've ever seen, because it was all the giants.

I mean, there was like four of them, and they're all in the Christian circles, they're all, you know, the top of the line.

And they were amazing.

It was amazing to see 100,000 people inside and knowing that over a hundred million streams outside yesterday.

And it was beaming all around the world.

And then they started the service and the people that were talking,

the preachers and the pastors that were there and the messages were, I mean, I sat next to a guy.

I didn't even know who he was.

You know, we were just talking.

We were just two people just experiencing this.

I don't even know if he knew who I was.

We didn't talk about any of that.

And

we were, it was funny because we were watching

for the spirit.

We're watching for the spirit.

And

I said, I sat down and we just said hello.

And I said,

Feel the spirit here?

Boy, this is strong, isn't it?

And he said, oh my gosh, I've never felt anything like this.

And I said, I hope it's not chased out by politics.

And he said, That's what I have been thinking.

So it was kind of like a running commentary between the two of us with everybody that spoke.

And

it was at one point,

I thought, this is what I have waited for for 30 years.

This is what I've been praying for for 30 years.

I'm witnessing, I am, I'm, I'm still here to witness what I have been praying for.

It was absolutely an awakening.

And

if we follow through, if we follow through, if we stay the course, I've never witnessed anything like it.

It was Billy Graham, except it was, you know,

I guess normal people.

You know what I mean?

When you go to a Billy Graham thing, that's what you're expecting.

This was something that you didn't really know what to expect.

I think everybody expected it to be somewhat spiritual.

But it was an altar call.

At some point, they were like, stand up if you want to give your life to Christ.

And people were standing up.

You know, and then here's the president.

It was...

Yeah, because it went back and forth.

It's back and forth.

You saw a bunch of politicians, a bunch of religious figures and

people who were more faith-focused.

Obviously, the worship is there.

I mean, but you go back to the, was it 2002?

I'm trying to think of the Paul Wellstone funeral.

Oh, my gosh.

I was so afraid it was going to turn into that.

Right.

It didn't do that.

That did not happen.

Oh, and I was terrified that it would.

Because, you know, just there's righteous anger right now.

This unlike the Wellstone thing was, if you don't remember it, he died in a plane crash, right?

Yes, yes.

And then the Democrats, it was right before the election.

The Democrats just turned into this ridiculous, we hate Republicans rally, and it backfired on them monumentally.

That was not the vibe of the stuff that I I saw at all.

But you do remember that

when you mix politics with

a memorial service, you know that both things, politics were really important to Charlie.

It was a secondary focus of his as compared to faith, but it was very high on the priority list.

And everybody that didn't know him would think that that was his priority, politics.

But it was extraordinarily dangerous, extraordinarily dangerous for those two to be mixed.

And I was watching it, Tanya and I were watching it, and that was the guy next to me, watching and talking about

how it was going to be viewed

by the New York Times.

And there were a couple of times on stage that I went,

that's not going to be helpful.

You know what I mean?

And sometimes it was just about put on the full armor of God.

For people who don't understand the full armor of God and what that means spiritually, it means you're in a spiritual battle and all of these things are gifts of the spirit that you have to have if you're going to go into battle spiritually.

But, you know, I saw some of the things and I was like, that is, they're going to interpret that as

a call for the nationalization of Christianity and we're an army and he's building an army and all of that crap.

I don't know if that's happened yet, but it will.

If you were watching it and you were there, first of all,

thank you to the guy who brought the giant cross.

I don't know.

I mean, I know why Jesus carried a cross.

There was a guy who was, you know, dragging a cross.

And it's like, why?

Why?

He's dragging a cross, what, outside?

Yeah, yeah.

The arena?

Yeah, yeah.

And I saw that and I was like, okay, well, there's the front page of, you know, the New York Times or whatever, because they'll just focus on that.

Well, this is, we used to say this about the like the Tea Party rallies.

Please don't worry about it.

Please don't wear the tricorner hatch because they're going to put you on the cover every time.

And there's nothing wrong with that.

And I appreciate, I don't know what the point is of that in particular, but I'm sure the guy's heart is in the right place.

Okay.

I don't know anything about him.

I don't know anything about him either.

But I'm sure his heart is in the right place.

So I don't mean to demean what he is trying to do.

It just is not necessarily,

in my opinion,

helpful.

Sure.

And then the people that I think were protesters against Charlie Kirk, but tried to make themselves look like the Westboro Baptist Church people holding signs that say, you know,

God hates

a certain class of people.

And, you know, I thought, okay, well, there's the second one that is going to be everywhere, because that's what they do.

They take pictures of just the

worst fringy kind of stuff um and by the way though you know that's that wasn't charlie's message at all no no wait i'm so i'm interested about the outside here what was it like getting in to this thing because nightmare it looked the lines were incredibly long they filled the stadium it seemed like pretty much so we went in they did well they did by nine o'clock i mean i was in the car just approaching the stadium by nine

because we were told to go a different way.

If you were on the floor, you had to go a different way.

And that was all Secret Service stuff.

And so, but we're driving up to the stadium and it's 8.30, maybe, 9 o'clock.

And there was as many people walking in the opposite direction away from the stadium as there were in the stadium.

By people that just

couldn't get in.

And yeah, and I had, it was a beautiful day yesterday, and I had the window open for a little while until I realized that's not a good idea.

But I had the window open and people would see me and they'd go, go ahead.

And I'd be like, hey, how are you?

And they'd be like, can you get us in?

Yeah, just hop in the mail.

Pile in.

Yeah, I can.

But there were people that came from everywhere across the country, had driven for hours and hours and hours and were there at 4 o'clock in the morning and still couldn't get in.

Now, they filled another stadium of, I think, 20,000 people right around the corner.

So there were two stadiums that were going on.

But there had to be at least 100,000 people that did not get into either one of those stadiums.

Wow.

Yeah.

I mean, it was huge.

Anywhere between 250 and 350, I would guess.

And there were 100 million streams yesterday.

100 million streams.

This thing was viewed all over the world.

And I think it is the greatest revival moment of my lifetime.

I mean, I remember I'm old enough to,

I remember the days when we had moving pictures.

I remember my grandmother used to always watch the Billy Graham, you know, revivals.

And there would be these big things.

I don't even know if they were every year or every couple of years or whatever, but they would fill up stadiums around and then, you know.

special on KIRO,

tonight, the Billy Graham Revival.

And you'd watch it.

And,

you know, as a little kid, wasn't really what I really wanted to watch, but it was better than Lawrence Welk, which was the other choice my grandmother would give us.

And

you'd watch it and people would come to Christ and it was really uplifting.

It was really great.

That's what this was.

That's what this was.

This was an awakening.

And any preacher that doesn't see that, here, let me just speak to the greedy preachers.

Okay.

there are millions especially youth there are millions that are starving for this message why are you ignoring it why are you ignoring what's really happening in the world people are searching for answers You want to fill your coffers?

You want to fill your pews?

Just talk about what's really happening

and

then tie the message of Christ, of peace and truth.

Is this something you're actually encouraging?

Hey, for more cash, do this.

If that's what it's going to take,

I mean, I think there are preachers that don't do it because they're thinking, you know,

we're going to lose congregants.

We'll lose the tithing.

I'll lose the church.

I've got payments I have to make.

Yeah, that's very Christ-like.

Talk about what's happening.

Talk about what's happening.

Is that not occurring?

No.

There's a lot of, there's there's a, I'd say the majority of churches didn't discuss it last Sunday.

Didn't discuss it.

Really, I heard it not last Sunday and this Sunday.

Good for you.

You're in the right place, but you're also in Texas.

True, true.

I mean, I could certainly see how

someone would be concerned about talking about an obvious political figure in this context.

Though, when it comes to

a murder, it's like it really should just be the type of event that is so obvious as to the way you're supposed to react that it should not be divisive.

Your

whole value system,

that's what church is.

I look at it as a hospital for your values.

Okay, I'm bleeding to death on my values because I have been in spiritual warfare all week and I don't know if I'm doing the right thing.

I don't know how to deal with all of this.

Help me.

Okay.

That's why I go to church on Sunday.

Help me renew my covenants.

Help me be a better person.

Help me understand

the world

through a spiritual lens.

What Charlie did was he talked about politics, but he...

at the very base of everything was his belief in God.

And there are millions of people that are struggling with their belief in God, and everybody's just talking about the scriptures without any connection to today.

The scriptures are alive.

When you read the scriptures, they become alive to you because they answer your questions today.

I'm struggling with something.

I open up the scriptures and my gosh, there's the answer.

Okay, it's because it talks about the human condition.

It talks about everything is the same.

We're all struggling in the same ways and history repeats itself over and over and over again.

So all the answers are there.

But why are you talking about a civilization that was, you know, 2,000 years ago when you can easily say, have you seen any of this in today's world?

What does this mean to us in today's world?

How would Christ want us to deal with this?

I mean, I want to talk to you about the death penalty.

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Because in the scriptures,

the death penalty is really kind of a blood atonement kind of thing.

Is there,

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Is it right not to execute?

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There's so much to cover from this, and I know, I mean, we can play some of the audio and such as well today, but it seemed to me the Erica Kirk speech was not only the highlight of it, but also if that's all you saw, that is a perfect way to experience the entire event.

Like, she was incredible, and the poise that she showed, I thought was incredible, but also the message.

It was probably the best defense of marriage and family I've ever heard.

And

the forgiveness is,

I mean, you either believe it or you don't.

You know, I think there's going to be a lot of people.

Share and believe that.

Well, yeah, maybe.

To me, it just struck me as the ultimate billboard for Christianity.

It is.

It is the moment.

How long have I talked about the Amish forgiving the shooter as they're pulling the bodies of their children out of that school?

They're forgiving and comforting the mother, forgiving the shooter, comforting the mother of the shooter and saying,

you lost someone too today.

I mean,

that is Christianity.

Yeah.

And if you think, you mentioned, you know, what are the New York Times going to show in in their papers of this?

They're going to show the guy with whatever, the cross or whatever.

Think of the vision the average secular urban

reader of the New York Times gets of Christians.

Like, they're evil, they're hateful, they don't like people who look different than them.

The nine million things that they say about Christians on a day-to-day basis.

And then when you see her, who just lost her husband, who lost the father of her children,

to

forgive in that moment, which I don't know that I would have had anywhere near the strength to do.

She is rock solid.

She's rock solid.

And I think that was just like, wow, that's who these people are.

Wait a minute.

That's what Christians are?

Like, maybe I want to be part of that group if you happen to not be.

Amen to that.

May this heal the world.

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If you didn't see the memorial yesterday, I urge you to go back and watch it from the beginning.

I urge you, if you have a young man or a young adult in your family, I urge you just to listen to, is it Dr.

Ahern?

How do you say his last name?

I think it's Ahern from Hillsdale College.

It was one of the best speeches I have heard for clarity for youth.

It was absolutely perfect.

I urge you to go and you can find it at Blaze TV

at YouTube.

So go to youtube.com slash blazetv and you can watch the entire thing.

I urge you watch it start to start to finish.

At least,

you know, I think the political stuff is all really, really good.

And, you know, as

President Vance said, I have said, I have talked about Jesus Christ more in the last 10 days than I have in my entire political career.

And so their messages were so spot on in many, many ways, but that's all going to be covered.

What was said before the Politicos got on is not necessarily going to be covered.

And I think that was the heart.

of all of this.

So go back and listen.

And I want to just go through some things that Erica Kirk said.

I mean, I was flying yesterday and I thought, what are the odds that this amazing spiritual giant who had been prepared, I think, his whole life to do what he did, is smart enough to run a large operation,

has the spirit with him, knows how to argue, knows how to do everything he does, marries.

a woman who is exactly like that.

I mean, she said to me last week, we had a conversation.

She said, I think

Charlie prepared me for this, and I didn't even know it.

She said, He's got stacks of diaries.

He wrote a diary every day.

And she said, I never read his diaries.

I mean, that's not what you have to tell me to do.

But after he died, I went in and I started going through his diaries.

I was reading the last few pages and everything else.

She said, I started reading him.

She said, he left me the plans for 2028.

He left me the budgets for the future.

She said,

he left this for me.

And she is a force to be reckoned with.

I mean,

TPUSA is in really good hands, I think, with her.

But here she is in one of the most Christ-like moments

yesterday at the memorial service talking about the shooter of her husband.

My husband, Charlie.

He wanted to save

young men

just like the one who took his life

that young man,

that young man

on the cross, our Savior said,

Father, forgive them,

for they not know what they do.

That man,

that young man,

I forgive him.

I forgive him because it was what Christ did

and is what Charlie would do.

The answer to hate is not hate.

The answer we know from the gospel is love and always love.

Love for our enemies

and love for those who persecute us.

Absolutely incredible.

Absolutely incredible.

I don't know how she was able to do that.

I mean, I guess I do know how, but it's an incredible thing to watch.

And it seemed like it was so hard.

I don't think I've ever seen a stadium like that, that quiet.

Oh, there's 100,000 people in the stadium.

She's whispering.

Pin drop.

Pin drop.

Pin drop.

That's what it seemed like.

And what a

what a great moment.

What a great moment.

Now, I'm going to get later on in the program, I'm going to get into what does that mean to forgive?

Does that mean forgive and move on?

Forgive and forget?

What is our duty?

Because that is the spiritual requirement for your first citizenship.

Your first citizenship is is the citizenship into the kingdom of God.

That is a requirement to be able to hold that citizenship.

Forgive those who hate you, persecute you, kill you.

Forgive them.

But there is a second citizenship that we hold.

And as long as it does not,

it can never battle the first citizenship.

You cannot lose your first citizenship passport because you're doing something in the second citizenship that you should not be doing.

Okay.

So

are they diametrically opposed in this?

Some might say yes.

I don't think so, but I just want to talk to you about that here in just a minute.

Here she is yesterday,

as I was driving up to the stadium.

and I was driving away from the stadium, the one thing that

I thought was

there's not a single building on fire, not only in this city, but in the country.

There was somebody this weekend that was arrested because they were a right-wing, or I mean, sorry, a left-wing nutjob that tried to shoot up an ABC, tried to kill innocent people at a local ABC station.

They had nothing to do with Jimmy Kimmel.

None, nothing.

Didn't matter.

They just opened fire on an ABC television station.

Okay, arrested.

Also, somebody up, I think it was in New Hampshire, goes to a wedding, starts killing people at the wedding, screaming, free Palestine.

There is evil.

Evil.

That's the only way to describe this.

Irrational evil.

And the only way to fight that is by doing what she did and doing what everybody so far has been doing with the Charlie Charlie Kirk thing, and that is fall to your knees in prayer and follow the teachings of Christ.

Here's what she said: Let's play cut two

about riots.

But most of all, God's mercy and God's love have been real revealed to me these past 10 days.

After Charlie's assassination, we didn't see violence,

we didn't see rioting,

We saw what my husband always prayed he would see in this country.

We saw revival.

This past week we saw people open a Bible for the first time in a decade.

We saw people pray for the first time since they they were children.

We saw people go to a church service for the first time in their entire lives.

Charlie liked to journal,

and I say this because He did it to remember important moments and sayings that affected him.

And one of the things he wrote in his journal was this:

Every time you make a decision,

it puts a mark on your soul.

To those of you

out there who just made that decision

and took the first step toward a spiritual life,

I say thank you and welcome.

How many people around the world felt this?

I mean, think of South Korea.

There is a Charlie Kirk movement happening in South Korea.

The Tommy Robinson stuff that's happening over in England, three million people on the streets of London holding signs about Charlie Kirk.

How many of them watch?

I mean, you're talking England, you're talking, you know, just

across the water from Europe, godless, absolutely godless.

How many people are finding their faith again?

Now, the secret is going to be finding those preachers and those pastors that will deliver the message she just delivered.

That it's not about violence.

It's not about authoritarianism.

It's not about any of that stuff.

It's It's about fixing you first.

It's about thinking small.

You want to fix the world, fix you first.

If we can find those pastors, priests, and rabbis that are actually saying those things and tying it to,

I mean, have you heard anybody talk about get married and have lots of children more than you have in the last 10 days?

I mean, probably Elon Musk is the only one that I've heard, you you know, really coming up, going, you got to have children, got to have children.

And I'm doing my best.

He's got like 400 of them.

But you have to have children.

And in the last week, and especially last night, there were several speakers that were like, get married, have children.

It gives your life meaning.

And it is true.

It is absolutely true.

Have children.

More than you can afford.

I really was very young and very selfish in my 20s.

And,

you know, I didn't grow up in a

family, you know, my mom was an alcoholic that committed suicide.

My dad was, you know, horribly, horribly abused as a child.

And so kind of withdrew because he didn't want to be his father.

And so I didn't really, I just this bad kind of family.

I mean, we all do.

We all do.

You know, families that just are not necessarily the best role models.

God bless you if you had one, but most of us haven't.

And, you know, I just didn't,

I didn't know what family really meant until recently, until maybe the last 15 years.

And the older I get,

the more I understand it.

Fame, fortune, success,

vacations,

whatever it is you're working for, whatever it is you're working for, I promise you, is meaningless compared to your family, compared to finding somebody that you truly love and they love you.

And the only way to find that is to put first principles first.

When you marry somebody, you must have first principles in line.

If you don't, you're never going to make it.

You're just not.

Find that person that agrees with you on first principles and that makes you want to be better.

The thing about Tanya, and she stopped saying this long ago, I'm sure, but I used to inspire her to be better and she inspired me to be better.

You know what I mean?

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Let me talk to you about justice and mercy and what happened yesterday at the Charlie Kirk Memorial.

I hope you watched all of it.

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Hopefully Hopefully I'm wrong.

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I'm right on a lot of these things.

I'm just really bad at timing.

You know, I talked to you three, four years ago that I thought the week, the year that we ended up doing, you know, BLM, I thought that was the year that assassinations were going to come.

And we're here now.

And I don't,

I pray that this is wrong, but we're not done.

And I I want to talk to you about that in a second.

But I also want to talk to you a little bit about

putting the killer to death.

There are people that are really very excited about putting this killer to death.

A public execution in front of the White House, televised for the whole world to see, a sign that the right is no longer just messing around.

Okay, that's a really bad idea.

First of all, that's not justice.

If anyone deserves the death penalty, it would be someone like this.

Took an innocent man away from his wife and kids forever.

It is the state law that matters, and the state of Utah has the death penalty, and they use it.

But should we be crying for the death penalty?

I mean, is that an eye for an eye?

Would that be a victory?

So, yesterday, I saw a second version of what justice looks like, but it's not one.

What I just said about executing people in front of the highs, that maybe that's maybe that's some kind of justice, but it's all justice, no mercy.

Yesterday, I saw

justice, mainly mercy, from Erica Kirk.

And I want to play this.

This is what she said: cut one.

My husband, Charlie,

he wanted to save

young men

just like the one who took his life.

That young man,

that young man

on the cross, our Savior said,

Father, forgive them,

for they not know what they do.

That man,

that young man,

I forgive him.

I forgive him because it was what Christ did

and is what Charlie would do.

The answer to hate is not hate.

The answer we know from the gospel is love and always love.

Love for our enemies

and love for those who persecute us.

What an amazing,

an absolute amazing

example of being Christ-like.

So let me take this a step further.

The man who killed Charlie deserves death.

I mean, I think we all have the right to hate him,

especially the wife that will never see her husband again.

But that's not victory, and that's not what we're supposed to do.

It's natural for us to want revenge.

And that's what he wanted.

He wanted revenge.

He wanted to stop the man who he believed was spreading hate.

Except he didn't.

This always works in the opposite way.

Always.

But Erica just showed us what

true vengeance, if you will, looks like.

Because she knows who the real enemy is.

The real enemy doesn't care about the killer.

At all.

At all.

The real enemy used that kid and is done with him.

If he would die right now, it wouldn't matter.

Maybe the real enemy would rejoice, but it doesn't matter.

Just another soul lost forever.

Another member of God's family ripped away from him.

And all those who follow God,

well, they're too busy cheering on his death to realize what just happened.

So I'm going to be very, very careful here because I'm going to make the point for the death penalty in this case as well.

Paul, the apostle, put it really plainly.

He said, For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Want to take real revenge?

Deny evil what it wants.

Do good instead.

The real enemy shrieked in pain when she said that.

That's not what the real enemy wants.

He wants hatred.

He needs hatred.

That you make them shriek when you pray for the redemption of everyone.

And everybody is now seeing how Christians are reacting to Charlie's death, even his killer.

We haven't burned cities down.

We're not screaming in the streets.

We are denying what evil wants.

But forgiveness, forgiveness is different, isn't it?

Isn't forgiveness

different than justice?

Forgiveness is absolutely required of Christians.

But justice and mercy, those are the scales, justice and mercy.

Justice is about order, accountability, and the consequence of choices.

But if you just go for justice, that hardens into deep and profound cruelty.

It leaves...

Strict law without compassion leaves no room for growth, no room for redemption, the human condition of weakness.

It punishes, but it never heals.

A world with all justice and no mercy is just a cold tribunal where even the small mistakes are crushed under the weight

of

total, imperfect law.

But justice must be satisfied.

One of the problems that we're having right now is justice is never paid by anybody.

They get away with anything.

And we are crying out for justice, which makes it harder

because sometimes mercy is confused

with no justice.

Mercy by itself is compassion.

It is forgiveness.

It is second chances.

But mercy without justice loses its meaning entirely.

It just becomes indulgence.

There are no boundaries, no consequences, no standards of right and wrong anymore.

None of it.

It devolves into the society that we have right now, and wrongdoing just remains unchecked.

Victims are forgotten, society erodes, and there is no accountability whatsoever.

So, which one do you want?

Which one do you want?

Justice protects the innocent, but mercy redeems the guilty.

Order and love.

I want both.

God's law demands justice, yet his character demands mercy.

You know, I think Utah has the firing squad,

and if they go for the death penalty, I would hope that everybody on that firing squad

is

weeping,

that they are providing justice that must be served, but they are doing it with a soft and gentle heart

and mercy.

If you're struggling with this message, I get it.

I don't blame you.

Hate is really natural and it's justified at times.

It really is.

But it also weighs us down.

That's why we're supposed to look to Christ.

That's why we're supposed to look to God.

You know, Jesus has nails in his body.

Can you imagine what that was like?

Imagine what it was like for him to even breathe, let alone talk.

And the reason why...

usually those who were crucified, they had to break their legs was because they could use their legs to pull themselves up.

Because hanging in that position, as you would sag more and more, it's not only ripping the nails, but it's also causing your lungs to collapse.

You cannot breathe.

So imagine nails in your feet, and you are pushing yourself up to be able to breathe and to forgive someone.

To say out loud, Father, forgive them.

Wow.

Wow.

And And he had every right to come back from the dead and go, all right, you want to play that way?

Let me show you what I can do.

But he didn't.

Instead, he came back and told his followers, many who abandoned him,

to go into the world and try to save those who put holes in his hands and his feet.

And they knew that they would die.

They knew that they would die.

But Christ knew that no matter how evil men can become, that's not the real enemy.

The real enemy needs hatred because with hatred, we can lose our first citizenship.

We lose the kingdom of God.

And that's all he wants.

That's all the real enemy wants.

Hatred to separate us from our father and separate all mankind

because he's mad at dad.

I happen to believe

that justice needs to be served.

I believe that we are in such chaos because justice hasn't been served in quite some time.

The laws of Utah are for a murder like this,

it is the death penalty.

And that is the law.

I don't want the laws

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I don't want him having the exception and not paying a price for this.

I believe the death penalty is the right thing because I believe that there has to be, I mean, that has to be punished.

It has to be punished, especially when it is so egregious.

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Forgive them.

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So when thinking about how to balance, right, justice and forgiveness, how

justice and mercy.

Forgiveness is required.

Required.

Right.

Right.

Yes.

Yes.

I mean, it's still,

I mean, as you noted, it doesn't feel

obvious that you can do one

and the other at the same time.

Like, it feels like you,

you know, to a lot of people, that if you don't,

if you forgive, that means that you just like let go of all the consequences.

And that's not at all what a

system is.

It's a scale.

One side of the scale is mercy the other side is justice they must be balanced it's why christ came god's god's laws require a penalty to be paid to clear the debt so jesus comes down and clears the debt for all of us okay but then we have some responsibilities he's not he's not saying oh yeah you know what don't worry free pass no then there's no justice okay so they have to be balanced Have to be.

Forgiveness is the first step to mercy.

Do you think that because I know Erica Kirk, I feel really confident that she's able to do that.

Do you think the American people, even on the right, are able to find that balance and execute it?

Well, I don't know if you're able.

If you are, if you don't have God in your life, it's much more difficult.

If you are all about politics and vengeance and my way or the the highway, I don't think it's possible.

But for those of us who

profess to be Christians,

it's required.

It's not an option.

It's required.

Right, but it might be required, but people fall down all the time on these requirements.

It's actually the entire story.

So, you know, I was thinking about Ben Franklin on the way home.

I don't remember what year it was, but Ben Franklin, you know, he was a bon Vivant.

He was like the life of the party.

Everybody, I mean, you know.

And at some point, right around the revolution, he said, I just can't, I can't go to parties anymore.

I can't because I can't be around people who are not taking things seriously.

We are in such a serious moment.

And I guess those who don't understand the moment we're really in aren't thinking that way, but you must think that way.

I hate to tell you this.

Now that you've heard me say this, now you don't have an excuse.

Now you're like, oh, quick, turn off the radio.

I'm not hearing you.

But you're required.

Once you realize the time that we're in, once you realize what's really going on, you're required to participate.

And what are you saying?

You're saying you can't have fun at parties?

What's that?

No, no, no.

But you have to take things seriously.

You have to

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You have to think.

You can't just react.

You can't just,

that is the problem.

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you're required to think

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Back in Dallas, Texas at the Mercury Studios.

It's good to be home.

I've been on the road for like, gosh, it seems like two months.

And it's good to be back and

returning from Charlie Kirk's memorial service yesterday, which please watch from start to finish if you can.

It's so worth it.

It's so worth it.

Anyway, it's wonderful to have you back, let me tell you.

Yeah.

Yeah, I notice you're all bundled up in a blanket.

Yeah, I know, because now it's 14 degrees in the studio again.

So let's,

we were just talking about, you know, mercy and justice and Erica forgiving and

how good that is and that is required of us.

But don't confuse that as a replacement for justice.

Justice also must be served.

Is this a fair way to explain it?

This is from our friend Ali Beth Stuckey of the Blaze.

There was a big contrast between Erica's forgiveness speech and Stephen Miller's destroy our enemies speech, exactly as it should be.

It is our job to forgive, not the government's.

Christians give grace, the government wields the sword.

Romans 13.

We turn the other cheek, the government punishes evil.

Yes, I just, I wouldn't necessarily say Stephen Miller.

I wouldn't, because I think.

I should point out, she puts destroy our enemies speech in quotes.

She's kind of, you know, that's what people are calling it.

I mean, and he said that over and over again.

And I was a little uncomfortable with that speech.

For the first time, I've never been uncomfortable with Stephen Miller.

And maybe it was just timing.

I don't know.

It feels like the memorial service

might not be the place for that.

I think that might be the one critique of it I've heard that I think the

way Ellie Beth said it is better.

It's our job to forgive.

It is the government's job for justice to wield the sword.

Is that something people really

are struggling with?

I think maybe people on the left are struggling with that.

Oh,

maybe that's true.

They absolutely are struggling with it.

And here's why.

They're thinking that that is Christian nationalism.

Now you're mixing God with...

No,

we were based on that.

Underneath everything,

underneath everything, the constitution the bill of rights all of that all of that is on biblical principles and if you don't understand the bible and biblical principles you will never understand the american system never

because it was built on that and you may not like that but that's true and and that's what makes us That's what makes us strive.

Justice is always going to be imperfect, except for God's.

It's always going to be imperfect.

We're always going to get it right.

We're human.

We're flawed.

We're going to be angry at times.

We're going to do stupid things at times.

That's where mercy comes in.

But

the combination of us being led by God as individuals, being led to live our lives as Christians, then getting into

the government and being a part of government as a Christian, that's not Christian nationalism.

Those are people who

have really looked at their morals, their ethics.

They know what motivates them.

They know what mercy and justice is.

And they have prepared themselves.

to then step up to the plate and try to lead others, hopefully.

You know, a Christian nationalist system would be,

forget the Constitution.

God tells us what to do.

No, no.

God inspired men to come up with a Constitution and Bill of Rights.

And where

it allows us as people to further the gospel, not the government, us.

So there is this really thin line that most people won't understand on the left.

You can't talk about God and government.

Yeah, you can.

In fact, it's very important that you do.

That's very important.

That might be why they get confused all the time with this idea that

all the beliefs that we have

are,

we look at the Bible and say the government must do what the Bible

tells us to do.

Like, you know, they're always talking about, well, I mean, I can't believe you.

You know, it says right here in the Bible, you're supposed to help the poor and that you don't want higher taxes.

You know what I mean?

That's our job.

Don't take away my responsibility.

You are, I can't delegate my

God.

Jesus isn't going to say, hey, you know, all those people in prison that you didn't go visit and the sick and the poor, and you're like, I wrote my taxes.

I wrote every April 15th, I paid my taxes.

Oh, I'm sorry.

You didn't have that note on my ledger here.

You don't think that'll be a mic drop moment at the Curly Gates?

It's not going to be in the book of life.

He paid his taxes.

No.

No.

Not going to be in the book of life.

It is your personal responsibility.

You know,

and here's another big difference that we're seeing right now.

I mentioned earlier, Phoenix hasn't burned to the ground.

Utah hasn't burned to the ground.

Why?

Because that's not in our nature as Christians.

Okay.

We build, we don't destroy.

But more importantly,

in the death of Charlie Kirk,

we have forgiveness.

We know what true justice is.

We believe in God and being a Christian requires us to have it.

You know, everybody thinks it's easy to be a Christian.

It's not.

It's not supposed to be easy.

You know, American Christianity is so super easy.

I got news for you, gang.

It's going to be hard.

It's going to be hard.

And this one is probably the easiest out of all of them.

Forgive yourself and forgive others.

And that is paramount.

If you can't forgive yourself and forgive others,

you're going to keep going back to that.

You won't pass go.

You're just going to keep going back to that one.

You got to get that one mastered.

But it is, it's hard to be a Christian because it goes against human nature.

Man is a natural man is an enemy to God because we have all these desires and feelings and we're made of flesh and blood.

What separates us from the animals is God's law.

There's nature's law and God's law.

And

we are required to grow past that natural beast of a man.

That takes work.

You know, it's not follow, oh, just follow your feelings.

Oh, do what feels good.

That's not, no, that's an animal.

That's an animal.

You need to strive for something bigger than that.

You know, Stephen was the first martyr.

Well, I mean, Jesus, but then Stephen is the first martyr.

Do you know why he was stoned to death?

If you go back to the Bible, why was Stephen stoned to death?

What was he doing at the time?

All he was doing was telling history.

That's all he was doing.

Hey, you know, guys, yeah, you killed this guy, okay?

As a society, you just killed him.

And do not interpret that as a, what they're doing to Tucker Carlson.

Shame on you.

Anyway,

we just killed this guy.

And you know what's weird is

people tend to forget

how they have treated every prophet of God.

Every prophet of God.

Anybody who's really good.

Either don't listen to him or you kill them.

Okay, and that is all of humanity.

All of humanity.

Nobody wants to listen to that.

Let's kill him.

And so all he's doing is he's like, hey, remember this guy?

Remember this guy?

How did we treat this guy?

What did we do here?

Nobody wanted to hear it.

Now, in the crowd is Saul.

Saul is the guy who, his job is to kill the Christians.

His job is to round them up.

He's in the crowd.

Think of this as, oh, I don't know,

the teachers' unions could be a good example.

In the crowd, whipping them up.

What does he do in the scriptures?

What does Saul do?

Saul says, you know,

you're going to get your coat all bloody with this.

Let me hold your coat.

Get him.

Let me hold your cloak

so you don't get any blood on it.

That was Saul.

Who's Saul turn out to be?

Saul turns out to be be Paul, probably the most

important prophet in the Bible,

a guy who is changed to the core.

You can't get worse than Paul.

He's killing all of the apostles.

He's killing all of the Christians at first.

That's his gig.

He kills Stephen.

Or is there holding the cloak?

He had absolutely nothing to do with it, Your Honor.

God can forgive him.

God not only forgave him, he turned him into a warrior for his message.

When we just count people out, and believe me, the apostles, imagine this, imagine this.

Imagine the other apostles that were with Jesus.

The guy who's been who's been killing and rounding up all of your followers, everybody, he suddenly

you know what?

I found Jesus.

Now, think of this in real life.

You're going to believe that?

You're going to believe that?

Oh, did you now?

Yeah, he totally changed my life.

Hmm, okay.

And you know, he said some things.

Well, he didn't say it, but he's been talking to me.

He said some things that, you know, I think we should talk about.

Oh, really?

Really?

Because we were with him the whole time.

He didn't say any of those things to us.

You kill all of us.

Now you want to be brought in.

Oh, and you're making a few changes.

Imagine.

Just as a human being, imagine.

It wasn't easy.

But Christianity isn't easy.

And God will use everyone.

You know, it's really amazing, the biggest people in the Bible, they're the most flawed.

They're the ones you're like, well, not that guy, right?

I mean, am I right?

Not that guy.

I mean, that guy's looking down at, you know,

naked women down on the roof.

And then he's, you know, he sends, he sends her husband off to war front line so he'll be killed so he can better.

Not that guy, right?

Yep, that guy.

Well, certainly not the guy who was like, let me hold your coat.

You don't get any blood on it.

Not that guy.

Nope, that guy.

We have no idea how the Lord works,

but we are required,

unless you want to be an animal, we are required to step up the game.

Look at what Charlie Kirk created.

Sorry, scratch that.

Look at the result of one man just doing exactly what God told him to do.

No more, no less.

Educate yourself, Charlie.

Get better at speaking, get better at learning, get better questioning all the time.

You know, after Bill Maher, that recent, where he was really good, he was like, I wasn't good enough.

He calls up his pastor.

I'm not good enough at this.

You got to help me.

Help me.

He hit it out of the park.

No, he didn't.

He wanted to be better.

That's our mission.

That's my mission.

I,

wow, I have been found so lacking.

That's our mission, to get better every single day.

Better than we were today.

Closer to God than

we are today.

Closer to forgiveness to the people who absolutely hate us.

Able to make a better argument because we've done the work.

That's what Charlie did.

And then he dies.

And look at what the Lord made.

That was a great homecoming.

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I want to talk to you a little bit about what's coming next, what we're going to see in the next few weeks, and what is coming, and how we need to deal with it, what the real choices are in front of us.

And

we'll deal with that next hour.

You don't want to please make sure you stay with us.

Yesterday was really fascinating.

Tucker Carlson got up.

I thought he was fabulous.

No matter what the stupid people on the right are saying,

you know,

he was doing...

No, he wasn't.

Stop it.

But anyway,

I don't think we have time to play this, do we?

We have one minute.

Can we play Trump seven?

That's 45 seconds.

Here's Trump cut seven.

Listen to that.

The tradition of reason and open debate.

That Charlie practiced is not a pillar of our democracy.

In many ways, it's the basis of our entire society.

It's the right and inheritance of every free American, the greatest legacy of the Enlightenment, and among the most treasured achievements of civilization.

We will defend it at all costs and we will carry forward the torch of liberty that Charlie Kirk held so proud and so high.

He was so proud.

And he did hold that torch high.

We will never ever let it fail.

We will never let it fail.

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Hello, America.

Just back from Charlie Kirk's Memorial.

We've been talking about it all podcast and broadcast today.

Let me

take you a step further on what I believe is coming that we should prepare ourselves for.

And I hope I'm wrong, but let's prepare for it and why it is happening.

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First of all, let me make an announcement and tickets will be available soon.

I was supposed to go on tour with Charlie on October 9th, and a bunch of us are doing these.

We were going to do these

events at universities, and I had already agreed to do one in North Dakota with him on October 9th.

Now,

that's not happening

because Charlie's not there, or so I thought.

They have come to me and a couple of others that have,

you know, we're going to do this,

and they've asked, would we do it without him?

And,

you know,

and I and I said,

you know,

I'm not afraid of, I'm terrified of students, not because they're going to kill me, because I'd lose my mind.

I'd lose my mind.

Charlie had the patience of Job.

I'd lose my mind.

And I said,

you really don't want me.

Because when Charlie called me, you know, and said, Will you go do this university?

I said, Charlie, I can't do what you do.

You don't want me.

I'd be a very bad example.

And they said, Glenn, you do what you do.

And I said,

okay.

So I'm going to bring some artifacts and I'm going to teach the beginning of the country.

I'm going to teach the principles and the values.

And I may take some questions until I can't take questions anymore.

I just don't know.

But I'm going to give a

I'm going to give some perspective on Charlie Kirk to honor him first.

And then we're going to talk about history and why these principles work in the first place.

You'll be able to buy tickets.

I don't know if it's up yet, but

the turning point tour.com is where they'll be.

It's October 9th, University of North Dakota at 6.30 p.m.

Pray for me on that one because I could lose my mind in an instant.

But I'm actually looking forward to it.

All right, let me tell you what I think is coming.

I think we have seen in the last couple of weeks, I actually think we have seen the left on their best behavior.

Now, that's saying something because we had another shooting, what was it, yesterday in New Hampshire at a wedding.

Somebody comes in, starts shooting up all these people at the wedding and screams, free Palestine.

And I don't know about you, but that sure made me change my mind about where I stand on that issue.

Gosh, what's wrong with people?

And then somebody else, because of Jimmy Kimmel, they went to an ABC station and just shot holes at the ABC studios and people inside.

They caught both of these guys.

But

it's getting worse, gang.

It's getting worse.

And

I think the only ones that we've really heard from are the very, very, the ones we expected.

You know, I don't expect

Elon Omar to be reasonable all of a sudden, do you?

I mean, you know, when Tlaib starts saying he was a fascist, I expect that.

I got it.

I got it.

So it's been the usual suspects that have done that.

And I think,

and I'm hoping this is not true, but I think we've seen the

regular leftist, not Democrat, the regular leftists just be like, you know what, we're not going to influence or make any friends yet.

Just keep your powder dry.

And

now that the funeral is over, now that the memorial is over, I think we're going to start seeing them come out

in real force because you're seeing the really bad ones get really

much worse.

And we're seeing people being shot and targeted

in everyday life.

I mean, and nobody seems to be mentioning that anywhere.

Wait a minute.

New Hampshire, a wedding, free Palestine,

Jimmy Kimmel.

People had nothing to do with Jimmy Kimmel.

Somebody just comes and just tries to kill people in ABC.

Before that, it was somebody putting a bomb underneath

a local Fox affiliate truck.

That happened, what, last week as well?

I mean, what is happening?

What is happening?

Evil.

That's what's happening.

And so we have to prepare now to be

good.

I encourage every single person, every single person that has an audience.

And by the way, you have an audience.

If you have a Facebook page or anything else, you have an audience.

But anybody who has an audience to declare exactly what you would want to happen if violence ever befell you.

And I will tell you, I will come back and haunt you for the rest of your life if somebody becomes violent.

I want you to preach the gospel.

I want you to forgive.

I don't want you to forget.

I want you to demand justice.

But I want you to

turn to Christ and ask for his help

for forgiveness for everybody and love one another.

That's what I want.

That's what Charlie wanted.

Charlie got it.

I mean, for the 40 people that would show up for me, you know, they're like 40 people.

You know, it's like mainly the family.

Like, I know what dad wanted.

I mean, I don't know why.

Anyway, I should let you know now.

I'm busy that day.

You're busy that day.

I know, I know, I know, I know, I know.

But anyway, and I think everybody should say that because,

you know, I don't think we're done.

I don't think we're done.

I hope we are, but I don't think we're done.

And I think we're going to start seeing worse and worse because darkness does not understand the light.

It's never going to figure out, oh, this is just making things worse.

And it is always going to, and foreign countries are involved, are always going to try to put us into revolution and to civil war.

It wants it.

It needs it.

It feeds on blood and hatred.

Don't feed it.

Don't feed it.

Don't ever, ever, ever feed it.

Now let me tell you the difference between the two sides.

You know, the Declaration of Independence is such an amazing document because it doesn't start out with grievances.

It actually kind of starts out with an apology, you know?

Hey, I think we owe it to the world.

We want to break up.

And,

you know, it's, I mean, it's just the greatest breakup letter of all time.

You know,

we're going to break up.

And so I kind of owe it to you to tell you why I'm breaking up, okay?

That's how it starts.

And then

it doesn't say it's you,

it actually says and means it's us.

It's me, it's me.

I'm breaking up because of me, and I just want you to know that.

But unlike when you say that, when you're actually breaking up, and you don't mean it, it's like you stink on ice, but I'll take the blame here.

It's me, it's not, I just got some things going on in my head.

Okay, that's not true.

It was with the founders.

It's us.

You don't understand us.

You know, we've tried to tell you over and over again, but we're different than you are.

You believe certain things, but we hold these things to be self-evident.

Okay.

So it doesn't start with grievances.

It doesn't like, and you know what?

You don't pick up your underpants.

No, I got to pick them up and throw them in the wash every day.

It doesn't do any of that.

Instead, it starts with: here's what we want to build.

Here's when we gain our freedom.

This is what we want to build.

We want to build a society where governments are instituted among men, where men can rule themselves.

And the government is built to protect rights that we think everybody has, not just the king.

Everybody has them.

And they don't come from the king.

They don't come from government.

They come from God.

So when we're free, that's what we're going to do.

We're going to try something entirely new.

That's inspirational.

That's why the revolution is the only revolution to end with the same people that started it.

Usually it starts with, you know,

we got to go get some freedom.

And then it's, yeah, and we're going to behead the king too.

And yeah, but you just betrayed it.

So we're going to get his wife as well and behead her.

And it's just a bloodbath.

Didn't happen in America.

Why?

Because they were fighting for something, not against.

I want to give you the two sides that we are dealing with right now.

The left will say they're for something, but what are they for?

Justice.

What kind of justice?

Social justice.

Okay, let's talk about this.

Their justice

requires, if there is no justice, there's no peace.

It requires negative action.

No justice, no peace.

And

when the pickets fail, then the next logical thing is to shut people up.

And when that fails, the next thing is to shoot those people that just won't stop talking.

That's not justice.

There's no justice in that.

You know, you look at the Charlie Kirk killing and the George Floyd killing.

Both demand justice, right?

Both are horrible things.

Both demand justice.

No justice, no peace.

Okay, but justice.

But justice for all?

Or justice that is really for this one person and not for innocent cops?

No, because there has to be justice against the cops, but all cops are the same.

Well, you know that's not true.

Not all people are the same.

Not all people are bad.

Not all cops are bad.

Some cops are good.

Some cops are bad.

So it's not justice because it can't be justice if everybody is just blanket bad.

So we have to dismantle the police.

Well, what happens when you dismantle the police?

It's not justice for cops, the bad cops.

I want justice for the bad cops.

But I also want justice for the good cops.

I want them to be protected by justice.

No, no, they want no cops.

Well, what happens when you get rid of the cops?

What happens when you get rid of bail?

You You get chaos.

Okay?

Chaos.

Who's the author of chaos?

You look at what people say they're for and they're actually not for anything.

They're against.

They're the opposite of the Declaration of Independence.

They're against something.

Now let's look at Charlie.

What was Charlie for?

And what are we for?

by standing up with Charlie.

We are for forgiveness.

We are for equal justice

we're not going after the parents some are and you're wrong we're not going after the parents

we're we're we're going after the guy who pulled the trigger

we're not just gonna back up a van and say everybody who looks like that guy you're bad

no

no we want evidence We want evidence.

We want actual justice.

If you were involved, then justice must be satisfied.

But there is no justice if you just round everybody else up.

He's for God, which leads you to freedom of speech, which leads you to freedom, freedom.

And the rule of law.

You know, they say, oh, you're just anarchists.

No, no, the anarchists are the ones burning the city down.

We're not anarchists.

We want the rule of law.

This is on the citizenship test.

Do you know what the rule of law is?

What's the supreme law of the land?

Citizenship test.

Constitution.

What's the difference between that and the rule of law?

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Justice.

What are we for?

Justice.

What does that mean?

Exactly.

And justice, where does mercy come in?

Because that's a scale.

Justice on one hand, mercy on the other, and they have to balance out.

So, where does mercy come in?

And justice?

They must be balanced, or there is no true justice.

Okay?

There is no mercy for the left.

There's no mercy.

If you're white, you're part of the problem.

No matter if you're part of the problem or not part of the problem.

I mean, you're just white.

Wait a minute.

I was born and I can't ever be forgiven because of that.

What kind of justice is that?

Where's the mercy in that one?

That's completely antichrist kind of teaching.

Wherefore the rule of law?

What is the rule of law?

Citizenship test.

This one's on the test, gang.

Write it down.

It will be on the test.

It's something we should all know because if you're a new citizen, you have to know this.

What is the rule of law?

The rule of law in America, the supreme law of the land, Constitution, rule of law means everyone is treated equally.

It doesn't matter if you're a citizen.

It doesn't matter, you know, an average citizen and a baker.

It doesn't matter if if you're the president of the United States or a Supreme Court justice.

It doesn't matter if you're white or black or anything.

The law applies to you equally.

That's the American rule of law.

And that's what we're for.

When you hear somebody say, I'm for a rule, the rule of law, I don't even know if they know what it means, but that's what it means.

And that's what we're for: the actual American rule of law.

Therefore, social justice.

One side,

if it doesn't get its way, burns cities to the ground.

The other side prays.

The other side says, we got to be better at forgiveness and demand the rule of law.

But if there...

What social justice does is says, well, you know, you've been oppressed as a race or whatever it is.

You've been oppressed for so long, or you make such a difference to the movement, you shouldn't have to pay that price.

What does that do?

You know what that does?

That just turns all of our cities into hellholes

because people learn, bad people learn.

Oh, well, there's no consequence for anything.

And you end up going to a CVS if they remain open.

You end up going to a CVS where everything is behind glass.

You're like, they're Q-tips for the love of Pete.

And everything breaks down.

That's not a system that works.

It's not imperfect.

It doesn't work.

The system that we have under the Constitution doesn't work to a degree.

It's imperfect.

That's why our Constitution says to form a more perfect union.

Because they knew it's not perfect.

It never will.

Why?

Because humans are involved.

It also recognizes that humans are flawed.

So we want a more perfect union.

What are you for?

I'm for a more perfect union.

I want to get better at the rule of law.

I want to make sure that the bad guys go to jail.

And if it's a bad cop, go to jail.

But if it's a good cop, don't go to jail.

I'm going to treat everybody as individuals, but I'm not going to give them

special dispensation because they're a certain race or a certain title.

That's not the rule of law.

What are they for?

They are for an absolutely

flawed and never

complete justice through social justice.

And because it can never really work, it leads to chaos and burning of cities.

So one is actually for chaos, the other is for

rule of law, understanding that it is imperfect and we all have to work on ourselves to get better.

And as we get better as individuals, our country will get better because we'll understand what rule of law means and how important it is.

One is for chaos.

The other

is for a more perfect nation.

Which side are you on?

And the choice is becoming crystal clear as every day that goes by.

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I want to play, I'm not even going to mention the name of this guy.

It's not worth it.

But let me show you a podcaster.

Now, this is before the shooting.

Cut 22, please.

Conservatives have been disgusting for years, which is why I don't give a f ⁇ about anybody that winds up at any of these rallies and gets shot or whatever the f ⁇ , okay?

Because they had no problem making fun of Paul Pelosi.

The entire world would be better off if these people were permanently removed from these platforms.

Like, there is no downside and only upside to see people like Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson, Tim Poole never be allowed to publicly broadcast their opinions ever again.

It's exclusively bad stuff that happens.

Now, kids, for those of you who are playing who's the fascist,

what gives him the right to say

he should be broadcasting?

I mean, who are you to tell me my opinion is wrong and that I should be banned from ever giving my opinion, but you're okay.

Who decides that?

That's the place that nobody ever goes to.

Who decides that?

Well, the government should.

Oh, okay.

All right.

Well, that's inconvenient for you right now because you're screaming fascist because Donald Trump did not remove Jimmy Kimmel, but you want everybody to believe he did.

So wait, if the government decides, why can't they decide right now?

Why is it wrong when Donald Trump might decide, he hasn't, but might decide, yeah, everybody with your opinion should be removed from the airwaves and also from, you know, social media.

It doesn't work.

It doesn't work.

I am perfectly fine with you having your right to say those things on the air.

Now, this is it.

Now, I just want to show you how different this podcaster is after the shooting.

23.

You need conservatives to be afraid of getting killed when they go to events so that they look to their leadership to turn down the temperature.

The issue is right now,

they don't feel like there's any fear.

What a terrible issue.

I know.

By the way, actually, I'm not sure if that is actually after, is this a before and after, but because it doesn't look like that.

But

I thought that one did happen after it.

Really?

It might be.

It might be.

I don't know.

I don't know.

It's tough with internet timeline, so we won't apply one here.

But

because they're not afraid of being killed, let me ask this podcaster, are you afraid of being killed?

Is that the kind of society you want to live in?

Where if you have a different opinion,

you should be afraid of being killed.

Because I got tons of countries you could move to.

If that's really what you want, there's a lot of countries you could move to where that's the way it is.

May I recommend Iran?

It's beautiful this time of year.

Go there and talk about LGBTQ.

May I recommend anything run by Hamas?

You're going to be mighty popular.

Now, you might be afraid to express yourself.

Seems to be the desired goal

for just his enemies and not him.

Right.

Because he would get there and he would say, who are you to tell me I don't have the right to talk about LGBTQ, Hamas?

And they would say, well, we're the government, so we we can do that, which you're for here, but you wouldn't be for there.

See how all this breaks down?

And I say this with love for whoever this guy is.

And, you know, and

enough respect to say, you have a right to say those.

I think that's crazy, but you have a right to say those things.

And I support your right for saying those things.

Let's just not call on violence.

What do you say we do that?

What do you say?

I don't want to make your listeners afraid.

I don't want to make you afraid that you'll be shot.

I don't think that's a good society.

That's not a society I want to live in.

What do you say?

We both do that.

We both do that.

Hey, let's tell your side.

You do that.

I'll tell my side.

That is absolutely the wrong way to go.

I do not want vengeance for Charlie Kirk.

Don't want it.

It's wrong.

It's against everything.

Our rule of law would teach us, our Constitution would teach us, and our spiritual laws would teach us.

Not the way to go.

Don't do it.

It'll destroy everything.

Will you say that to your audience?

We're just in that, I think, and the internet makes this much, much worse.

But it's a society that now has a bunch of people who are incentivized through the internet, through those

monetization processes

that...

that look for an argument rather than the argument.

Like, can you come up with something to say to justify what has occurred with your side?

Not whether you can come up with something true or something you actually believe or something that makes any sense, but can you come up with something?

Something that can be aware of.

In a sense of social justice, yes.

In a world with justice, justice, a world with justice and mercy balanced, no.

But they look at like, it's like a parlor trick, though.

It's like a debate society parlor trick.

You know, like, these aren't points that serious people make.

Oh, God, we know we really got to make sure that everyone feels like they're going to die whenever they talk.

Like, it's just dumb.

But, like, it's constantly rewarded in whatever structure we have.

Now, I think this guy got, didn't he get kicked off of a bunch of platforms or something because of the stuff?

I don't know.

You know, and I know, again,

first of all, even the crazy stuff he's saying is constitutionally protected speech.

Yep.

You know, that does not, of course, mean that all these private companies have to leave them on, though I am fine with more speech.

I like knowing who these people are.

Yeah, I do too.

And I, you know, last thing I'm going to do is lead a boycott.

I've got a life.

Yeah.

The last thing I'm going to do is lead a boycott of if he even has sponsor.

I have no idea.

I don't really care.

But

you have a right to say, unless it leads directly and imminently to violence, you have a right to say those things.

You also have a responsibility to not.

Yeah, yeah.

And

I think actually the Charlie Kirk thing is a really good example.

Uh and I say the thing is like not the incident, but the reaction to it is a really good example as to how more speech a lot of times helps, particularly, I think, conservatives.

I mean,

look at look at the celebration of his murder.

Yes, it was really frustrating to see.

And we could have, and I know a lot of people are interested in going and like banning all these people from platforms and all that.

And there might be something to some of that.

Some of it seemed like it was actually encouraging more violence, which of course would cross this line.

But i do believe the over the overarching um

uh

uh reaction to this that from the negative side brought more people to charlie kirk um than i you know almost anything else and not to mention it also highlighted erica's vision of how to do this which is is an inspiring one as well and obviously you

never wish anything like this but when it comes to a reaction to it i think

it's brought many people to the right side of this.

And

in a horrible situation, it's all you can hope for.

Martin Luther King was right.

You put evil

face to face, you split the screen, evil on one side, good on the other.

People will always choose good.

They'll always say, I think I want to hang out with these people more than these people.

They may not even agree with everything, but if

you put the burning down of the cities

and the Charlie Kirk memorial or the vigils,

which one do you want it to go to?

And I've seen that happen.

People are taking that advice.

That particular side-by-side has been, or it was actually a top and a bottom one when I saw it on some Instagram feed, but that has gone massively viral.

Martin Luther King.

Yeah,

but it's so true.

You look at this and you say, none of this happened.

There was none, no burning down cities, no

violent reaction to it.

Now, you never know if one person eventually does something terrible.

I really, as you point out, really wish they don't.

It does not, of course, do any good for the cause.

Besides that, and more importantly, it's just wrong on its face.

But like, none of that happened.

Let me give you this.

This is from Erica yesterday, cut two.

But most of all, God's mercy and God's love have been revealed to me these past 10 days.

After Charlie's assassination, we didn't see violence.

We didn't see rioting.

We saw what my husband always prayed he would see in this country.

We saw revival.

Let me.

This past week, we saw people open a Bible for the first time in a decade.

We saw people pray for the first time since they were children.

We saw people go to a church service for the first time in their entire lives.

Charlie liked to journal.

Let me play something else here along the same lines.

This is Charlie's pastor.

This

over

burning of a city.

Cut nine.

Where the bullseye is and where the arrow lands, that's called the sin distance, how far you've fallen from perfection.

And there are none righteous, no, not one.

We've all missed the mark, the bullseye.

And we try to get to God by our efforts, but there is no effort that will bring us back into the presence of a righteous God.

You see, the wages of sin is death.

Charlie knew this, and at an early age, he entrusted his life to the Savior of the world.

Jesus came to this earth, was tempted in all ways, yet was without sin, was crucified upon a cross.

His blood was poured out because blood must be shed for the remission of sins.

And his death upon that cross was sufficient for all the world's sins, but only efficient for those who, like Charlie would receive him as their Savior

Jesus has come to seek and save that which is lost

and I would say this to all of you

the Lord loves you

he wants to save you

he wants to give you

new life

he wants to cover the multitude of your sins by the blood he shed upon the the cross.

The Bible says, if you believe in your heart and you confess with your tongue, Jesus is Lord, you will be saved to the glory of the Father.

You see, Charlie looked at politics as an on-ramp to Jesus.

He knew if he could get all of you rowing in the streams of liberty, you'd come to its source, and that's the Lord.

In the time I have remaining,

I'm going to ask all who profess Christ as their Savior to remain seated.

The Bible says, if you profess me before man, I'll profess you before my Father in heaven.

It requires an act of faith.

You stand.

That's what Charlie did every day on campus with death threats.

He stood because he knew in whom he had trusted.

And he wants to give you the gift of the why and what he did, and that is his Savior Jesus.

While believers are seated, if there's any in this room and across the globe

that would desire to receive Jesus as their Savior, as Charlie did as a young man,

and now is in the presence of his Savior,

I'm going to ask you to put action to your faith.

And I'd ask you to stand right now to receive the Lord.

Don't be ashamed.

Stand.

Amen.

Amen.

And people did.

And it was amazing.

amazing.

Now look at the difference.

Look at the difference between the one guy that played at the beginning and this pastor.

One is saying you should be afraid to speak.

The other is speaking at the funeral, and he's not talking about the other side.

He's talking about the followers of Charlie Kirk.

and saying we need to be better.

We need to be better.

We need to be better at following Christ.

We need to be more loving.

We need to serve people.

Which one do you want to be a part of?

Which society, which civilization do you want to live in?

Because that's what's really before us.

Do you want the civilization where everybody should be afraid to speak?

Or do you want the one where they say, brother, I'm flawed too?

We can get better.

Let's get better.

I've made my choice.

America, it is time for you to make a firm choice and declare it in your actions every single day, every minute of every day.

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There you have it.

The truth.

Stripped down like a fence post in a prairie storm.

Glenn Beck returns after this.

Erica Kirk yesterday.

To all the men watching around the world,

accept Charlie's challenge

and embrace true manhood.

Be strong and courageous for your families.

Love your wives and lead them.

Love your children and protect them.

Be the spiritual head

of your home,

but please be a leader worth following.

Your wife,

your wife is not your servant,

your wife is not your employee.

Your wife is not your slave.

This is Glenn Beck.