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Hello, America.

Welcome to the Glenbeck program.

It is Monday.

We're live from Dallas in the Mercury Studios in Dallas, Texas, the heart of Texas.

Good to be back here.

ICE is under attack in Chicago.

We have two Democrats,

one running for governor in Virginia, the other running for the Attorney General, who

the Attorney General has said, you know, he wishes that his opponent would be shot and killed, along with his wife and his children, refused to stop in a text message.

The other person's like, don't even joke about that.

He continued to to go on.

And now he's still, he's not going to back away.

He's still up for election.

And the governor who said, fuel your rage, is not separating herself from him, the gubernatorial candidate for the Democrats.

That's a problem.

That's a real problem.

And the federal troops under attack in Chicago, I want to show you your future today.

Because

we have a very clear choice in front of us.

We get to that in 60 seconds.

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Okay.

I want to talk to you.

I want to talk to you.

I'm going to start with Chicago, but I think this goes

through line for everything we're going to talk about on today's podcast and broadcast.

Portland is lawless now.

It is lawless.

That's a fact.

When you now have the governor governor coming out and saying, I don't believe ICE, I don't believe that there was, you know, some woman that was trying to kill them.

When Chicago calls the police back and says you're not to help protect federal agents, when you have now cartels coming out with wanted posters offering rewards for ICE agents' death,

you're in a lawless situation, completely lawless.

There are those who wish to destroy Western civilization.

We're not talking about the people who wanted to vote for Joe Biden because they thought his policies were better than Donald Trump's.

We're not talking about that.

We are talking about people who actually wish to destroy our nation and our civilization.

One of those groups is called Antifa.

They're well financed by the left.

Now that seems nuts, but no more nuts than the Occupy Wall Street leadership being in bed with Wall Street and the World Economic Forum.

That's a fact.

That's why that stopped.

You have to understand the world that we live in right now.

This is not just about America, and it's certainly not about Democrats and Republicans.

This is about good and evil, right and wrong.

The America that believes in its citizens, the America that has a government of, by, and for the people, is at stake.

And as Lincoln said, we are testing that now of whether that any nation, this nation or any nation can long well stand.

I believe it can.

Now,

extremists in our own country have cobbled together any enemies.

of that idea to disrupt the system, to collapse it.

Those who hold power and wealth and position globally believe they can escape the consequences of setting the world on fire.

They have built a giant elaborate system to have this fall into when it collapses.

And make no mistake, you must open your eyes and realize this is what is happening.

Now, maybe they can escape the consequences.

I don't think so, but maybe they can.

I mean, you paid the price.

in 2008 during the crash, right?

You paid for that.

They didn't.

you paid the price during COVID Home Depot didn't

you did

they didn't

so maybe they can escape

but I don't think they know what they're doing because once you open this can

evil comes pouring out

and they use both of those events and events like George Floyd All of these things were uniting to the American people.

We were all on the same side until somebody came in and made it about politics to keep us fighting with one another.

So I want to start with a blank slate here.

Before I get into Chicago and everything else, I want to start with this blank slate.

I want to ask you

where you have been in the last 25 years, okay?

I want you to answer honestly.

25 years ago, 20, 25 years ago,

were you for transgender surgery on children?

Yes or no?

Were you for drag queen shows in elementary schools?

Yes or no?

Were you for lockdowns and forced vaccines?

Ten years ago.

If I suggested that, what would you have said?

I want people on the left and the right to answer.

Government partnering with big global corporations to pick winners and losers.

Were you for that?

Killing of political opponents because they disagree with you.

Were you for that?

Were you for police brutality such as the death of George Floyd?

Were you for that?

Governments being in bed with big tech to silence opposition.

Violence on the streets just for political opinion.

Criminals let out of jail, no bail, no real prosecution for crime.

Wide open borders and letting 10 million unvetted into our country.

25 years ago, were you for that?

Turning a blind eye to terrorists from another country in our homeland, unchecked.

The setting up of Sharia law in major cities in America, like Dearborn.

Saying that one's political opponent should be killed along with their children.

10 years ago, 15 years ago, would you

have said, oh, I'll vote for that person?

The rounding of people, just...

Just because you're brown or you're black, rounding them up on the streets and just saying, papers, please.

Were you for that?

Cartels issuing wanted posters for law enforcement and offers of reward for their death.

You for that?

Were you for that?

The doxing of anyone.

All personal information just dumped out online for political purposes.

Were you for that?

Were you for communism?

And let me define communism, government ownership of land, housing, and business.

Were you for that?

Authoritarianism.

Let me define it.

A strongman dictator without American constitutional restraints such as the Bill of Rights, and I mean all of the Bill of Rights.

Were you for that?

Fascism, let me define it.

The government in partnership with big business that allows ownership but picks the winners and losers and only allows businesses to act in ways dictated by the government.

Were you for that?

You for firebombing of churches or mosques or synagogues?

Were you for the firebombing of abortion clinics?

Were you for the firebombing of abortion doctors?

Were you for the targeting of abortion doctors?

Were you for the targeting of any American citizen?

Were you for light sentences for somebody who's trying to kill the Supreme Court justices?

25 years ago, were you for putting men in women's sports?

Putting men in women prisons?

25 years ago, were you for anything?

The ends justify the means.

Just do it.

Were you for that?

Well,

if you weren't for those things,

and I mean this sincerely, I want you to call me right now, if you're for any of them now, and tell me what changed your mind.

What new information did you get that changed your mind?

And I will not accept, yeah, well, but Trump, nor will I accept, yeah, but Biden and the left.

That's what, no, I won't accept that.

That puts you into the ends justify the means.

And they don't, ever.

Ever, ever, ever.

They don't.

What evidence was given to you that changed your mind?

You can't use Trump or any acts from the other side to justify it.

And if you can't justify the things that you are now for that you were not then.

Well, you're most likely mad at me right now.

You're most likely feeling really angry right now.

Why?

Because all I'm doing is asking, I want to learn from you.

How did you get there?

How did you get there?

Why?

Where's the anger coming from?

If you won't even have this conversation, why?

Is that anger or these feelings or this unwillingness to connect and say, no, look, let me defend my situation.

Let me me defend myself here in a very reasonable and calm manner.

Let me tell you how I changed my mind.

And I used to think that, you know, drag shows were wrong in elementary schools, but I do believe they're good now for our children.

Tell me how you got there

because I think it's through careful conditioning.

Now,

now that we're in this neutral-ish place, hopefully,

let's talk about, with reason, the use of soldiers in our cities.

Because I've never been for that.

And I'm still not for soldiers executing the law in our cities.

But constitutionally, there are a couple of things.

But I think that's a reasonable thing to to say.

Let's discuss those things.

Are we there?

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Okay, we are now talking about using soldiers on the streets of our nation.

That is

extraordinary.

It's very risky to civil liberties.

This is why the Posse Comitatus Act exists.

But the Insurrection Act also exists, and

it is lawful

when tightly tied to specific

to specific conditions

in enforcing federal law and when limited in scope time and mission with a public proclamation and transparency those are the things that are required

if the threshold is murky

And it drifts into general policing, well, then you're right.

Then you have a real problem.

Then you have the possibility of real authoritarianism.

So we have to do everything very, very carefully here.

We can't just be broad, general, and

give our side the ability just to do whatever they want.

Now, so far, I haven't seen that kind of action.

So far, what they're talking about is constitutional, but let's make sure it remains that way.

If the deployment's aim is to bypass local opposition rather than to solve a concrete obstruction,

then you're in trouble.

American cops enforce the law, soldiers fight wars.

We only blur the line when enforcing federal law becomes impossible by normal means or when organized violence blocks the courts.

Got it?

If it's impossible for federal law to be enforced by normal means, then the Insurrection Act has to be declared and then you can send in the federal troops.

And that makes it constitutional.

Congress wrote the Insurrection Act for the rare crisis.

If the president can show mobs, cartels, or coordinated violence are making law unenforceable, he can federalize National Guard troops after publicly ordering offenders to disperse.

That way he can restore the courts and protect federal property.

That's the law.

So anybody saying authoritarianism, no.

Anybody saying this is a step closer to authoritarianism, you're absolutely right.

You're absolutely right.

That's why we must be very, very careful.

Again,

show that the mobs, the cartels, or coordinated violence are making the law unenforceable, which it is.

Then you can federalize the government troops after publicly ordering the offenders to disperse so you can protect federal property and individual rights and enforce the law.

There must be limits and there must be transparency.

The troops, what they can do, has to be narrow, temporary, and supervised.

Troops and the President is not above the Constitution.

If they overstep, judges are to stop them.

But judges must also ground themselves in the Constitution.

We have to recognize what is happening in our country.

without saying the ends justify the means.

I don't care what the documents say.

We gotta get them.

We gotta stop this.

No, that makes you a part of the problem.

If cartels are doxing agents and putting bounties on them, that's terrorism.

DHS should show Congress as much detail as possible so

we're not asked to act on faith.

I want to see that, and they should present it to Congress now.

Now, here's the real threat to the Republic:

us.

Us.

Honestly, it's us.

It's every single person.

I don't care who you vote for.

If you are not standing with the truth and with the Constitution,

then we're in trouble.

Because anything can be justified.

And it will be.

Look at the Patriot Act.

We were all afraid.

And so they justified the Patriot Act.

And look where it took us.

There are two dangers that we're facing.

Intimidation of federal officers and an attempt to shut down enforcement.

That's called lawlessness.

Two, normalizing soldiers as street police.

That goes against who we are.

The republic fails if we accept either of those.

So those of you on the the left who say, we're not going to help the feds, you cannot intimidate federal officers or shut down federal enforcement.

That's lawlessness.

People who say, you know what, just send in the troops then.

That's normalizing soldiers as street police.

That's against

the, it's illiberal.

It is against the Bill of Rights and everything we stand for.

The Republic falls if we accept either of those two options.

Only the Constitution will give us the way out.

Protect the rule of law and protect civil liberty.

It's asking us to be very reasonable

and

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There are two press conferences done recently.

One was by the

Justice Department, along with the Health and Human Services.

I talked to Dr.

Oz about this Friday.

You can probably find that podcast someplace.

But I talked to him about this Friday, and it was one of the most incredible things I've ever seen.

They came out with the Justice Department, and they said we're shutting down a a Russian ring that was defrauding Medicare of $15 billion.

$15 billion.

And they said it's the tip of the iceberg.

It was incredible and I've never heard anybody talk about it.

The second

fraud investigation that I was stunned by and so happy to see was when Joseph Edlow, who is the citizenship and immigration services director,

was in Minneapolis, and he started talking about how immigration fraud, fake marriages and everything else, how it is rampant in the system.

And he started in Minneapolis, found all kinds of stuff and said, this is going to, we're going city after city after city on this.

Who could be against stopping fraud?

Well

I don't know, but certainly not me.

Joseph Edlow is with us now, who has been directing this on immigration fraud.

Thank you, Joe, for everything that you guys are doing.

Thank you, thank you.

Well, thank you, and thank you for having me.

Really appreciate the opportunity to be here.

So can you tell me what you found in Minneapolis and why did you start in Minneapolis?

Well, we started in Minneapolis for a lot of reasons, mainly because we were looking at various fraud patterns that we've seen.

We know that there is rampant fraud, as you said, within the system.

And looking at our data, one of the cities that had the largest examples of it was Minneapolis plus we have great cooperation there with our partners at FBI with ICE and with the U.S.

Attorney's Office so we want to make a big splash and we thought what better place to make a big splash than a place where we can maybe prosecute some cases after we find the fraud so that's why we started there What we found, I can't even begin to tell you how many examples of fraud in various areas of immigration we found.

I mean, I expected marriage fraud.

I expected some fraud in those trying to naturalize and become citizens.

I did not expect the amount of fraud we found within the optional practical training program where students who have graduated are able to stay in country for a couple more years to work.

We found fake businesses.

We found fraud within the H-1B program where someone came in saying they were in some high-skilled career.

Turns out they're acting as a caregiver.

Not saying that's not important, but that's not the basis for an H-1B fraud.

We found marriage fraud where someone was saying that their spouse was dead.

They apparently had paid money for a death certificate in Kenya.

The mother is actually alive, and as I said in the press conference, living in Minneapolis, has five children, and the alien also has another wife in Sweden with another three children.

So we're finding all sorts of things.

Bottom line is this has to stop.

As I said in the conference, we are declaring an all-out war on marriage fraud, on immigration fraud, and I'm going to restore integrity to the system.

How common is it in the Somali community to, you know, quote, marry a relative?

You know, we've got examples of it

through

in

many different nationality groups of ethnic nationalities.

But, you know, we have seen in Minneapolis many examples of marriage fraud within that Somali community.

You know, there are a lot of active investigations pending on that matter.

Don't want to get into specifics on any one of them, but we are looking into it and we're going to end it.

Is there anyone in a high-level

congressional

that

is being looked into?

Nobody's off the table.

I can't say that there's any one person that we are specifically looking at, but

there are fraud investigations that will continue.

And depending on what comes up, those findings will become public as we develop what the next steps are going to be.

So are you guys finding the same kind of pushback that ICE is at all?

Yeah, sure.

You know, we did a number of site visits.

The outward-facing part of this investigation, of this, excuse me, this operation was done with door knocks.

And we would go out.

Obviously, officer safety would be paramount, but we're not, at this point, USCIS does not have armed officers.

We're going out to ask questions.

People were not...

Many people were not willing to answer.

Many people thought that we were not legitimate law enforcement, so they called the police on us.

Minneapolis police isn't exactly helpful, but they did come in these cases and confirm that we are who we said we were.

But certainly there's pushback.

And I think if you saw any part of my press conference with the questions that I got from the media out there, yeah, there was a lot of pushback as to why we're doing it.

And what I don't understand is why anyone looks at immigration fraud through any lens that is that it's less troubling than something like IRS fraud.

I said in the conference, if we were here announcing

a major breakthrough in tax fraud, we'd be applauded nationwide by everyone, saying that we were saving the taxpayers money and that we were doing the right thing.

Why is this any different when we're trying to enforce another type of law like immigration law?

So who are the bad guys here?

The people applying, the people who are advising those who are applying, or the people who are taking the applications in our own government?

no, it's not the people taking the applications.

I mean, we have a very robust program to

find

those in the government or in my agency here who are not acting above board.

And

we can suss that out very, very quickly.

The issue here are it's a combination of those that are preparing the applications, the lawyers that are advising, and in some cases, in many cases, the aliens who are entering into these fraudulent marriages I mean it really gets down to are we talking on a case-by-case basis about a case where the attorney filed something and the alien had no idea that it was filed or are we talking about a case where the alien was 100% involved in the fraud we're finding both So what is the what is the remedy for that?

It's different depending on the type of fraud that we're looking at.

In one case, it's going to be denial of the benefits and referral to the immigration courts for ultimate deportation if the alien has no other right to be here, which, let's be honest, if they commit marriage fraud and any other types of fraud, they shouldn't have any other right to be here.

But in the cases where we are seeing large-scale fraud patterns, I want to make sure that those attorneys are facing the consequences, that those non-attorney preparers are facing the consequences, and that requires coordination with the U.S.

Attorney's Offices, with ICE, with FBI to to see if there's larger investigations out there.

And that's what we're going to keep doing.

Do you believe that there is any kind of

large-scale coordination?

I don't think it's nationwide coordination.

I do think there are large-scale fraud patterns out there that we have not had as a government either the interest or the resources to investigate.

So to that end, I don't know if you saw, but USCIS now has the authority to hire investigators, special agents, who are actually going to be going out there specifically to look at fraud of this magnitude.

Additionally, we're also starting now a massive hiring campaign where we are looking to bring in new adjudicators, which we will train.

No college degree is required.

There's going to be signing bonuses for certain and retention bonuses for certain openings.

And there's going to be some flexible duty locations for these openings.

But we are looking to really make this system work and I will hire whatever and whoever I need to make sure that we have the resources to investigate these fraud patterns and to take the appropriate action.

What qualifications do you need to work or to apply?

Well, you apply and then we will determine, but really

there's no prior experience needed.

Like I said, no college degree.

We have the training.

We know how to train people.

So as long as you're a U.S.

citizen,

have a clean record and can

have the ability to analyze in a meaningful way, we're looking at you.

So

we're hoping we've got a lot of applications out there already, and we want everyone to apply.

We've renamed the position where we're looking for homeland defenders.

That's what we're looking for here.

We are looking for people here who are going to come in to ensure that we are keeping the homeland safe.

They will be adjudicating.

They will be looking at cases for people looking for green cards for naturalization.

And we want to make sure that they're looking at it through the right lens.

And you would apply, I would assume, at USCIS?

USCIS.usajobs.gov.

And if you go to uscis.gov forward slash join, there's a website that will give you all the information on the positions, on any upcoming job fairs.

And really, we are trying here, and I have a mandate, we will be cutting through the red tape.

I'm not interested in, you know, a year-long hiring process.

I want to get these people in, trained, and working across the country as soon as possible.

And what, can you say which cities you're looking at next?

I'll be honest, I'd prefer not to at this point.

There are two or three cities that I've already had interest.

I got a call the day of the press conference from a U.S.

attorney in another city saying, Joe, come to me next.

We're ready to work on this.

So, you know, there's cities out there that are looking forward to this,

and we're excited to bring this show nationwide and really show what this agency does, what it can do, and how we can make this system better.

The last four years were a total disaster.

I don't have to tell you that when it comes to immigration integrity, we were left with a complete, complete mess on our hands.

And this is one of the major, major ways that we're going to clean up that mess, that we're going to unravel the knot of the legal immigration system.

This is not about preventing anyone from immigrating here.

This is about ensuring that the right people are and that there is, as I keep saying, integrity in the system.

Fraud will not be accepted any longer.

I love it.

Joseph Edlow, thank you so much.

Appreciate it.

Thank you.

You bet.

Joseph Edlow is a U.S.

Citizenship and Immigration Service Director.

If you want to work,

uscis.gov.

What did he say, slash something or other?

I don't remember.

But you'll be able to find it.

What was it?

Join.

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What is happening in Virginia with

the two Democratic candidates is really

frightening.

It is frightening because of the ramifications of what it means.

Remember, we were living in a world that, you know, 15 years ago, Sarah Palin was told the word targeting, I'm targeting this district, was violence that would lead to the shooting and killing of politicians.

And that was absolutely unacceptable.

I'm targeting this district for political reasons.

Now, let's listen to what the guy who's running for the Attorney General, Chief Law Enforcement Officer of Virginia, said in a text.

This is a story broken by Audrey Fahlberg at National Review.

She talks about how

Jay Jones is the the candidate.

He is writing to,

he thinks he's writing to somebody else, someone named Mark, but he texts somebody else this exchange.

And even when he realizes that it's not the person he's texting to, he continues it.

So he says, he says, damn, that was for Mark, suggesting he meant to send the text to someone else.

And yet the realization didn't stop Jones from joking what the POS Gilbert would say about me if I died.

He was complaining that Democrats were saying good things about a Republican who had died, which again, nice, nice attitude.

If those guys die before me, he said, referencing the Republican colleagues who were publicly honoring the deceased Johnson's memory, I will go to their funerals and piss on their graves, just send them out a wash in something.

Jones then suggested that presented with a hypothetical situation, this would happen.

He said, Jones, he said, three people, two bullets, Gilbert, which is the person he's mad about, Hitler, and Pol Pot.

He said, Gilbert gets two bullets to the head.

Spoiler, put Gilbert in the crew with the two worst people you know, and he receives both bullets every time.

The person he's texting says, Jay, please stop.

He writes, LOL.

Oh, okay.

And

the person he's texting with responds, it really bothers me.

You don't want to have to text this to someone you're texting with.

It really bothers me when you talk about hurting people or wishing death on them.

Like, this is such a common occurrence.

It isn't okay no matter who they are, he says.

He later on goes on to talk, we have the text on the screen here, I think,

about little

hoping that Jennifer Gilbert's children will die.

You know,

craziness.

And again, reminded by the person texting with them, yes, I've told you this before.

He says, only when people feel pain personally do they move on policy, which I guess makes it okay to wish for their death.

Virginia, do you

a guy who literally,

that last statement shows he believes in terrorism?

You'll move politically if I show you enough pain, like killing your children.

Is that who you want as your chief law enforcement officer?

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I want to talk to you about the guy running for Attorney General in Virginia named Jay Jones.

He

has said in an unbelievable text thread that he felt one of his political enemies, his wife and his children, should be killed.

And the only way to change people's minds politically is to have them pay a very high price, I guess death.

That is the definition of terrorism, quite honestly.

This guy wants to be the chief law enforcement officer.

That's what he's running for in Virginia.

And the governor, the one who's running for governor on the same ticket, if you will, Abigail Spanberger, she's a Democrat.

She really hasn't distanced herself from this.

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It is shocking and shameful, especially in this day and age, with what we have seen with violence.

And yet, there are those on the left that believe that violence is an okay answer.

Jay Jones, the guy running for attorney general, the guy who would be enforcing the laws in Virginia, thinks that it's okay,

he says, to joke about killing people, but the way he did it does not seem like a joke to me.

He was asked by the person he was texting

to stop, stop.

This really bothers me when you say things like this.

Don't say those things.

Well, you know what?

Only when people feel the pain personally do they change their political opinions.

You were just talking about killing this guy's children.

So you get here and you think, okay, what is headed our way?

Let me start with this.

Back in 1999, I was on WABC and I warned of Osama bin Laden.

And nobody listened to me.

Nobody would listen to me.

They thought I was crazy.

They thought I was actually, you know, sticking up somehow or another for Bill Clinton because Bill Clinton was the one who said, you know, Osama bin Laden, he's got to be eliminated, blah, blah, blah.

And I went on the air in WABC in New York City.

Nobody believed me.

And I said at the end in frustration, I said at the end of the hour, there will be bodies and buildings and blood in the streets of this city in 10 years.

And the name on that will be Osama bin Laden.

Will you care and listen then?

So after September 11th, people started going, how did you, how did you know that?

Very easy.

This is lesson, life lesson number one.

If someone tells you they they are going to kill you

or they joke about it but not retract, retract.

Like get caught.

Hey, hey, don't joke about that.

I know.

I'm sorry.

I'm out of line.

Just stand by it.

When they say things like

their children should be killed, or in this case, Jay Jones not only said that, he said his wife should have to hold his dying children.

And maybe that will change his mind.

Okay.

You must take those people seriously.

You must believe them because anything short of that is madness itself.

Because if they start doing things, this is Germany.

If he says, you know what, I got a solution for those Jews, and you're like, ah, he doesn't really mean it.

It's your fault.

He told you.

When you're dealing with life and death, you always take it seriously.

Always.

And we all say stupid things.

I've said stupid things.

Everybody has said stupid things.

And what do you do?

You immediately, maya culpa, you immediately apologize.

Say, oh my gosh, I wasn't thinking.

I'm sorry.

But the guy running as the AG, the chief lawmaker for Virginia,

he hasn't apologized.

In fact, he kind of doubled down in the, in the throes of it, and he hasn't said anything about it.

And the woman running on the same Democratic ticket for governor in Virginia, Abigail Spanberger,

she hasn't distanced herself.

Well, that's wrong.

Well, should he drop out?

Well, I don't.

What do you mean?

Yes.

The answer is yes.

We don't threaten people.

We don't say their family and their children should be killed.

That's an easy call.

If your governor, your AAG cannot make a simple call like that about life and death, about people who disagree with them, they cannot have any power in government.

They cannot.

It's easy.

If Virginia, you make that mistake when there's bodies in your streets,

I guess you will come to me and say, how did you know?

And I'll say, you disregarded rule number one.

Somebody says those things.

You take them seriously every single time.

You must.

The governor actually has said, let your rage fuel you.

Now, good people in Virginia, when was the last time you went to church?

When was the last time you went to church and you heard your preacher say,

Jesus says, let your rage fuel you?

My guess is never,

because Jesus said the exact opposite.

What would Jesus do?

Not that.

You have a politician that says, let your rage fuel you in conjunction with the other politician that they're linking arms and campaigning together, saying,

I would be happy,

happy

if we killed him, his children, and his wife.

If they died, I would piss on their graves.

That's a quote.

And let your rage fuel you.

Virginia, you will get what you deserve.

They are telling you who they are.

I don't want George Soros nor any member of his family killed ever.

And I think he's the biggest destructive force in the world for freedom.

I don't want him killed.

I want him exposed.

If he's broken laws, I want them to go to jail.

But I at least want the truth to be known about them.

I don't want to kill them.

If you've gotten to that place to where your political enemy is somebody you want killed,

you have a psychiatric or deep spiritual problem going on with you.

So now we have people on our side.

And I can say, I know what you mean.

Glenn, how do we work together?

How can we be running out of principles to agree on?

I don't want to, we can disagree all you want about policies, but principles must be universal.

That's our e pluribus unum.

All men are created equal and now by their creators certain rights, life, liberty, pursuit of happiness.

They're all codified in the Bill of Rights.

That's our unum.

That's the one thing we all used to agree on.

We don't anymore.

And we are running out of things to agree on that are principle-based.

I don't care if you like Game of Thrones or hate Game of Thrones.

There's no relationship that's worth anything, that will withstand any storm if that's what we have in common.

You know, I love trees and you love trees.

When the storms come,

we're all blown off.

People

are throwing around things like national divorce.

People are saying, let it all burn.

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As if we're talking about a new season of television.

But we are not.

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I want to hit this early before this becomes a trend because the algorithms will reward talk like this.

National divorce,

you know, civil war, et cetera, et cetera.

We are not talking about a season of television that you watch from your home when you're talking about things like this.

We are talking about your life,

your your ordinary, miraculous, taken-for-granted life

ending.

Everything you grew up knowing, believing in, having, having the opportunity to have, be, do, over.

It won't change, it ends.

That's what civil war means.

The world your children expect to grow up in, the one with school plays and little league and birthday parties in the backyard, gone.

And it doesn't come back with an election or a speech or a victory parade.

It doesn't come back at all.

This is very fragile.

This has never been done.

A government of, for, and by the people has never been done before.

And I don't know if you've noticed this, but the entire world system seems to be against

people that want to rule themselves.

So it doesn't come back.

Civil War is not, you know, Gettysburg reenactors with quotes on social media.

It's neighbors, it's cul-de-sacs, it's the grocery store and the gas station and the pharmacy.

It's the lights you never think about until they don't turn on.

The water you never worry about until it comes out brown, if it comes out at all.

I need you, before

things get crazier than they are, I want you to be firm on what you believe.

I want you to picture, not for shock, but for absolute clarity.

Your day begins and your bank app says service unavailable.

Your ATM says out of cash.

The trucks have stopped coming to the grocery stores because the highways have checkpoints and ambushes and rumors of both.

The gas station is a rumor too.

One station has a line that's three

blocks long.

The other has a hand-lettered sign that says cash only, limited five gallons.

And you think, well, I got some cash until you realize everybody else had that same idea yesterday.

You must have a prescription for somebody in your family.

Insulin, heart meds, chemo, whatever it is.

The pharmacy's closed.

Why?

Because the pharmacists couldn't make it through the roadblocks.

And the chain's distribution centers can't risk sending a truck without a police escort.

And the police don't escort trucks anymore because the police that do show up for work now are triaging their own neighborhoods.

You call 911 about a domestic disturbance down the street and the dispatcher says, if anybody even answers, we'll put you on the list.

These aren't front lines in a modern civil war.

They are the intersections.

They are our neighborhoods.

They are the algorithms, the algorithm that sells rage by the pound.

And it's being fed to both sides until both sides are blind with rage when the governor the person running Spanberger running for Virginia for the governor says let your rage fuel you no

rage will make you blind

and we won't be fighting in uniform

you'll be avoiding a rumor The rules of the road become rules of the rifle.

Whoever controls the intersection controls that day.

Hospitals are now fortresses, then targets, then shells.

Food becomes scarce, then it's currency.

Your children's school becomes a shelter.

Do they even have school anymore?

No.

Your children now have memories of school and a new job of staying quiet when they hear a drone or a truck backfire.

Childhood shrinks down to the safest room in your house.

Now you think you're going to pick a side.

You think you know what side you'll be on.

You think your side will protect you.

But here's the truth.

Sides protect themselves, and both sides will ask you to prove your loyalty with things you promised yourself you would never ever do.

Good people just like you will do them because fear is a sculptor and it carves away at conscience first.

You think you know how the market works.

works until the market dies.

Markets die when trust dies.

Pensions evaporate not because of a bad quarter, but because the bond market can't price what's coming tomorrow.

The currency on your counter is now canned food, bottled water, diesel, antibiotics, your home value.

What's a house worth if there's nobody to insure it, nobody to mortgage it,

nobody to drive to it without risking their life?

And then there are the guests who arrive when a great house is on fire.

The cartels, the opportunists, the foreign intelligence services, the war tourists with passports and GoPros.

They don't choose sides.

They just choose opportunities and openings.

And they

open the opportunities you didn't even know you had.

Your grid, your water plants, your data center, your port.

And they don't fly flags.

They fly yours.

And then let you blame one another to fuel the fire.

Let your rage.

No,

don't.

Listen to me, there is no clean ending to this.

You know, there's, there's,

there's no clean Gettysburg.

Especially in a world of encrypted chats and weaponized rumors, there is just grinding, bone, grinding pain.

There is the settling of old scores under new slogans.

There's the permanent loss of innocence the moment you stop seeing your neighbor as a neighbor that can never quite

that you can never quite unsee the enemy that you have imagined.

I can't ever think of that person any way other than that.

Then you are headed for that outcome.

And if you imagine glory,

war doesn't wound bodies.

It wounds time.

10 years from now, the men and women who survive will still hear the sound of a truck at night and think checkpoint.

Your children will flinch at fireworks.

Weddings will be smaller.

funerals will be more frequent and hope real hope will be spoken in a whisper because it's learned to hide

it is reasonable to ask what

do we have in common anymore

but the next reasonable question is how can we find common ground

How can we understand each other?

Before you retweet bravado, count the cost of where we could be headed.

And not in abstract numbers, but in faces.

The old man in your street who needs oxygen, the single mom who works at night, the kid who just made the team, the clerk at the corner store always remembers your brand, your face, your needs.

These are the casualties that never make the headlines because they disappear one inconvenience at a time.

These are the times that try men's souls.

That used to be a phrase I didn't understand, and it belonged in the past.

I say it to you today.

These are the times that try men's souls.

Those who stand today

and shoulder the burden,

those who stand today and do the hard work, God's work, of love and peacemaking,

and uniting and speaking the the truth

they will be owed a thanks

for generations to come

turn down the algorithm and turn up the conversation teach your children the difference between courage and recklessness between justice and vengeance

make your county and your town resilient So

relationally thick that an outside arsonist, foreign or domestic, will only find damp tinder there.

You must get serious about peace, not the sentimental kind, the muscular kind.

Form covenants with churches and synagogues and community groups and clubs and councils and say it out loud: No violence in our name.

It's not acceptable.

Not here.

Not here.

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Jordan Peterson's daughter has just issued a

really heartfelt, tearful health update on Jordan Peterson, her dad.

Do we have a clip of that we could play quickly?

Hey guys, I have an update on my dad.

I'm actually just going to read this.

It's on my teleprompter because this is too hard to explain off the cuff, so I wrote it out.

This summer has been exceedingly difficult.

Dad was in an ICU suffering from pneumonia and sepsis after dealing with a host of neurological issues this summer that we believe stem from SERS, which is chronic inflammatory response syndrome due to decades of mold exposure.

We don't have a better explanation for his neurological symptoms at the moment other than spiritual attacks.

He's been suffering for the last number of years with unexplainable neuropathy and weakness amongst other symptoms, but they worsened this summer after he cleaned out his parents' basement after his dad, my grandpa, passed away.

We weren't able to communicate with dad really all of September.

During During the end of the pneumonia, he was diagnosed with critical illness polyneuropathy, which we're hoping is critical illness myopathy, which is bad enough.

That's been heartbreaking and brutal on top of everything else.

But after almost a month in the ICU, he's been moved out to a less urgent floor.

Praise God for that.

We're still in the midst of this, but now we're seeing improvements daily.

The timeline for his full recovery is hard to tell at the moment, and I'll update everyone when we have more information.

My family is asking for prayers.

Like I said, this summer has been exceedingly difficult and terrifying.

Dad's condition is complicated by the fact he can't take most medications without suffering from severe paradoxical reactions, which limits treatment options.

Like I mentioned, I believe there's a spiritual element at play here.

I think a lot of people have felt it in the last few weeks and months.

It's been hitting my dad and my family hard this summer.

In August, the day dad was brought to a hospital by ambulance, my newborn Audrey was also brought to a hospital by ambulance within hours of each other.

It was unbelievable.

This was the second time this summer we had brought Audrey to the hospital after she almost died from near heart failure at six weeks old.

That is exceedingly rare.

and they couldn't find a cause for.

But mom and I in particular really wanted to reach out and ask for prayers to help everyone get through this.

Especially for my dad and for my mom, but also for the nurses and doctors taking care of him, my brother, and family and friends who have come to support us.

I miss my dad.

My brother misses his dad.

My mom misses her best friend and husband.

And given we think there's a spiritual element at play here,

we believe the right way to fight back is to keep going and push harder, if anything.

The world is in spiritual warfare like crazy.

I would ask that you would pray as if we were in a world war.

Because we are.

It's a spiritual world war.

And I would pray for those who are on the front lines.

Pray for your country.

Pray for

your Constitution and Bill of Rights like you've never prayed before.

But you're seeing some of the most powerful voices taken out one by one.

Jordan, I hope, is going to get better.

We have Dennis Prager,

who broke his neck and is paralyzed and making some progress, and he at least can still think and speak, but

that just happened in the last few months.

We have Charlie Kirk,

and

I believe all of us are under spiritual attack.

Please pray for those who are on the front lines.

Please pray.

All right.

Let me go back to Virginia here for a second because there's some more information that you need to know about, if you're a Virginian especially, about who Spanberger is.

And you need to know this

as somebody watching the Virginia election to see how people are going to deal with this and how they vote.

Does truth matter?

Do principles matter anymore?

Yeah, I want to take you back to the time after 9-11.

If you remember

that moment in our country's history, people had some pretty strong feelings.

You know, there's some economic worries that was going on after that.

Maybe you're looking for an extra job.

You want to pick up an extra job.

Right.

So Abigail decided to do that.

The job that she picked up was at the ISA.

Because the ISA is.

Well, it was, it's, it's a school.

She wanted to work at a a school she wanted to educate kids which she loved she wanted to work with

why why is this irrelevant that's all we have time for today no we have plenty of time

what is the isa well the isa is um well there you know there's

there were you know a lot of uh schools just spit it out

that were islamic schools okay islamic school okay this is the only one in the united states that was fully funded by a foreign government now you might think now it wouldn't be saudi Arabia after 9-11, right?

I mean, it's probably England, right?

No, it was Saudi Arabia.

But the point there is that the hijackers all came from Saudi Arabia.

Well, sure.

Okay.

Sure.

All right.

You know, but in that moment, we were all like, you know, there was almost a fur around, hey, Saudi Arabia is fantastic.

Yeah, I don't know.

Hey,

Islamic schools are wonderful.

That was kind of the vibe at the time, if you remember

correctly.

Now, I will say,

who among us have not taken a job immediately after 9-11 at a school that is closely tied to Hamas?

We all did that at that time.

We were all in that mindset.

I don't know anybody who did that.

Well, yes, you do.

You know Abigail Spanberg.

I can never say her Super Spanberger.

I want to call her Asperger every time.

I don't know why.

Spanberger.

Spanberger.

Top leader of Hamas.

sent his children to this school.

The school's comptroller was linked to Hamas.

It's all from just the news.

Recent graduates of the school had come under suspicion by federal authorities of potentially seeking to carry out a suicide attack in Israel.

The school's textbooks contained hateful language, including animosity toward non-Muslims and, of course, Jews in particular.

The ISA had withdrawn from membership in a major accreditation organization.

Is this school in Virginia?

I think it is.

That's a good question.

Go back and look through our archives.

Probably 2006-ish.

Okay.

We were looking into Islamic schools in Virginia, and we named one that was riddled

with problems.

Could it have been this one?

It sounds like this one.

Well, I mean, but how would you even know it was tied to the Saudi government?

I mean, you see the ISA.

Okay, yeah.

You're like, well, that's sure the Islamic Something Academy, but we don't know what the S would stand for.

What could I guess?

Oh my gosh, you guessed it on the first try.

That's incredible.

That's a lot.

I mean, you can't expect her to do that.

No, that was you pulling, going through the dictionary in the S section, pointing to a word happened to be Saudi.

That's all you just did.

You know, it's weird, Stu, because somebody who says, somebody who is involved in a school that is pumping out Hamas members

and tightly associated with Hamas.

Didn't the head of Hamas go to school there?

What was that?

Maybe I'm thinking of a different school.

But

anyway,

the idea of let your rage fuel you

and being acceptant

of

things like,

you know, kill your opponent's family because that's the only thing that moves people politically

makes a little more sense.

It does.

It does sort of line with someone who might do some of these things.

She did, by the way, said she's proud of her background and her service.

Even though it was found to be directly related to Hamas.

Maybe she was improving the school's lunch program.

We don't know what she did.

She could have done anything there.

It could have been

wonderful work.

Maybe she was able to

make it a little bit more healthy, more greens provided for the children of the Hamas members

that went there.

Or allegedly, allegedly.

So I don't know.

I think a lot of this

overblown.

You know, everyone.

Just the news.

Let me ask this.

Who among us have not supported someone in their lives who wished death on the children of their enemies for political gain?

We've all done that.

No, I don't know anybody who has done that.

Well, you know Abigail Swambrook.

All right, again, I don't know her.

I wouldn't know her,

but I know of her.

Yeah.

So a lot of people know of her.

So I guess we all have.

So we all know of her.

We all have that one person.

If you're listening to this show, you now know someone who did all of these things.

Right.

So congratulations on that one.

So what do you do with a state that

elects

the

attorney general who says you got to kill the family of the children to change his political mind,

is not remorseful on it.

A governor that is running that agrees with him,

at least quietly, uh doesn't really distance herself and says let your rage fuel you what do you what do you and

working at that school what do you do with that if that's what virginia decides they want as their

i mean

it's it's kind of like new york going communist to mom danny right and i thought about that because it's an interesting example you know it's like there's a story in the new york times this weekend entitled this what happens when socialists are in charge?

Question mark.

Portland offers a glimpse.

Now, is that really the commercial you want to run for your socialist candidate right now?

Probably not going to make it into the ad campaign for Mom Donnie, I'd guess, considering, you know, Antifa is taken over the streets every night for 100 consecutive nights.

Yeah, it does give you a glimpse of what it looks like if you put 104.

104, sorry.

I missed the anniversary.

And this one goes into how they've put actual DSA members on their city council after

they made it larger.

Anyway, what's interesting about that is like, I don't know.

Portland is Portland, right?

Portland is Portland.

The dream of the 90s is still alive in Portland.

And the dream of the very early 90s, meaning like before the actual Soviet Union collapsed, that dream is still alive in Portland.

Yes, it is.

I'm not surprised, right?

Virginia

currently has a really good governor who is a Republican doing a really good job currently, right now.

This isn't like Portland who can't even imagine a conservative or a Republican being in charge.

Right now, things are going well in Virginia currently.

And right now, they're talking about changing to the party of this.

They don't need to.

It's still available.

It's not even a memory.

It's a current thing.

He's done a really good job, Junkin, there.

Sears is good.

Sears is a great job as a gosh, she would be good.

And because of this, the only reason this is even a question is because of their weird one-term law where you can only get one term and then you have to leave.

So you can only have four years.

Junkin is term limited here.

He would win, I think, re-election easily.

One term is ridiculous.

I think one term is ridiculous.

It seems like two is two is fine.

Two terms seems like the right number.

One is weird because what likely will happen here is you'll get four years of somebody else and then Youngkin will come back and try to run again.

And so it's a weird, it's just a strange system.

And I don't know that it feels like you're always campaigning.

But I guess that's our modern world.

But again, like this isn't some distant memory.

It's not even a distant memory like it is in New York where they have had real real success in New York for limited periods of time, almost all of them associated with Republican mayors.

Almost.

I mean, I'm trying to think of an exception.

I just don't want to be too broad.

I can't.

But like the Giuliani period, even the Bloomberg period, who is really, he was a Republican, but then he was kind of an independent,

you know, but like really was kind of a Democrat, honestly, most of the time.

Yeah.

But still, just someone who wasn't insane.

And then you have the examples of when they did have really far leftists, de Blasio, Dinkins.

These were catastrophes.

And they're going to do it again.

And they're going to do it again.

They're going to do it again.

Virginia, you can still stop this.

You don't have to go down this road.

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I have a mental block in her name.

I'm not a kid.

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That's what you're thinking.

That's what you're thinking.

I don't know what I'm thinking.

But she currently, according to Calci and Polymarket, has about a 93% chance chance to win that election.

Unbelievable.

Now, I will say some encouraging news, sort of, and the Attorney General race.

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A grand jury voted to indict him on September 25th.

Hours later, Comey was issued a summons directing him to appear in federal court in Northern Virginia for an October 9th arraignment.

His lawyers agreed to bring him in as an arraignment, two sources say.

However, here's the problem.

Here's the problem.

The government says, no, they're going to do a purpose walk.

And he's like, I'm trying to surrender.

And it's so weird because I know this has never happened before, except with our own reporter, Steve Baker.

Exact same story.

Exact same

story.

He was at the Capitol on January 6th.

He was reporting on it.

They put him in chains and perp walked him.

They did that for a reason.

If it's good enough for our own reporter, I think it's good enough for James Comey.

But let me get into the specifics here because I hear people saying all the time now from the left, you know, this is ridiculous, what they're doing to Comey.

Okay.

Take a breath with me for a second.

I'm not for vengeance.

I'm not for paying back your enemy on what was done.

I'm not for any of that.

What this story is really about is whether the most powerful law enforcement office in America can tell Congress one thing under oath

while a paper trail and now witnesses suggest another and then walk away unscathed because, well, I had a position.

I have a title.

Okay.

If we mean what we say about equal justice, then James Comey's arrest and a fair trial, a fair trial, are not radical.

This is not busting up the Constitution.

This is required under the Constitution.

Now, let me give you the facts on this.

These are all on the record.

A federal grand jury in the Eastern District of Virginia, Alexandria, has indicted the former FBI director on two counts tied to his 2020 congressional testimony.

One, false statements, we call those lies under oath, and obstruction of a congressional proceeding.

The same grand jury declined a third count, which only underscores that citizens weighed the evidence and made the distinction.

It's not something that was, yeah, go get him.

Out of three counts, they said two are real.

We don't think this one rises to something that should go to court.

Okay.

That's how the system is supposed to work.

But it also means there's probable cause on the other two, enough for a public trial.

Now, why does this matter?

Because what he did, those statements, went to the heart of the most consequential political investigation, at least since Watergate, and maybe the most in our country's history.

Did the FBI director

know about or authorize FBI-sourced leaks to the press to shape a narrative around a sitting president and Russia?

That's what this is about.

Did he take information that the FBI and the intelligence agencies, not the leadership, but the underlings, all said, wait a minute, I don't know if there's enough here to even move forward with any of this stuff on an investigation.

And it was against the law to leak this information to the press.

He said, I had nothing to do with it.

I didn't even know that was.

But unfortunately, two people that were working for Comey at the time

have just said, Yeah, no, he told us to do that.

So you have two sources.

And what was it for?

To discredit the president around something that he knew at the time was not credible information.

Now, Comey denied it under oath.

But again, pay portrail

and the two other witnesses say differently.

So when the stakes are something like this, because Congress must get to the truth, a witness who shaded, lied, or blocked the oversight, that's not a process quibble.

That's a strike at accountability itself.

We have three branches of government.

If you don't want to answer, then don't answer.

You'll have to pay a price, perhaps, on that.

Plead the fifth.

But you do not lie.

But that's what he did.

At least that's what the charges say.

And the grand jury says, there's enough to go to trial.

Now,

let the trial test that in the sunlight.

And the context here isn't nothing.

So this is not abuse of power.

Anybody who's thinking that, I just want you to listen carefully.

The DOJ Inspector General already found Comey violated FBI policy with his handling and release of the Trump meeting memos leaking through a friend to prompt a special counsel.

So he was already going against the norm and the system to manipulate the system.

The DOJ declined a charge at the time.

But the findings stand.

It was a violation of duty, of policy.

It fed the media machinery that framed a president before facts were even nailed down.

That is, history here is relevant as a background.

For any jury that is evaluating whether, you know,

later sworn denials about leaks were truthful,

we have to know the full story here.

You remember the FISA piece?

The IG documented 17 significant errors and omissions in the Carter Page warrants, including an FBI lawyer, Kevin Kleinsmith, who altered an email.

He pled guilty.

He altered an email.

He was going to FISA.

This is the most, probably the most

dangerous court we have in America.

It must have oversight.

They have strict rules.

You want to spy on an American citizen?

Show me the work.

An FBI agent

changed

the testimony, changed, went in, whiteout,

rewrote it to something entirely different, and then gave it to the FISA court.

What did the FISA court did?

Well, they just slapped the hands of the FBI, which I think is an insult.

to justice on its face there.

The Department of Justice later conceded that two of the four surveillance orders lacked probable cause.

Okay, I don't care what team you're on.

That is a constitutional five-alarm fire.

That is weaponizing the government.

And if my side would have done it, I would say exactly the same thing because these principles cannot be violated.

Now, even if Comey is not charged for the FISA mess, it destroys the trust us aura and makes sworn testimony about leak authorization absolutely material.

And yes, Durham's 2023 report concluded the FBI pushed ahead to open the Crossfire hurricane on uncorroborated claims,

inadequate information.

Now, this is not a criminal verdict on Comey, but it is exactly why Congress questions

why it's so important, why it matters so much, the congressional questions in 2020.

It matters.

Now, if you think our intelligence power needs guardrails, you should welcome rigorous oversight.

Demand truthful testimony under oath.

If you're tempted to say, this is persecution, I advise you to slow down.

And not because, look what they did with Trump.

Just look at this.

We just lived through a period where Trump world figures did real time for much, much less.

Let me give you, because they're saying this has never happened before.

This is a...

No, it has.

Just the last Trump.

We just lived through a period where Trump world figures went to jail.

Peter Navarro, four months for federal prison for contempt of Congress.

Steve Bannon, four months for contempt of Congress.

Let's see.

George Papadopoulos, 14 days for lying to the FBI, not Congress.

Alex Vanderswan, 30 days for false statements.

Rick Gates, 45 days

for conspiracy and false statements.

Okay.

Not long, but 45 days is 45 days.

Four months is four months.

You didn't serve it.

Now, if staffers and advisors can be cuffed, purp walked, and sentenced for contempt or a single, a single

thousand in one false statement count,

then the former FBI director certainly can.

If he's accused of lying to Congress about leaks at a presidential level probe,

certainly he should face a jury.

And not on Trumped-up charges.

It had to go to a grand jury in Virginia, remember.

This is not, you know, this is not Trumpsville.

This is Virginia.

The grand jury said, out of the three charges, only two we think are valid.

So why is this all of a sudden a banana republic?

Because that's not banana republic stuff.

That's equal scales.

Now justice does her job.

Now you have to see.

What the court says, what happens in the court.

Some people will sneer and say indictment isn't conviction.

Good, good, yes, amen, it's not.

Comey is still presumed innocent.

But let's be honest in how the federal system works once a grand jury returns, you know, a true bill.

In the U.S.

system, prosecutors have grand juries, and once indicted, the case almost always goes forward.

Okay?

Almost always.

fewer than 1% of federal defendants are acquitted at trial.

Donald Trump wasn't.

He was,

they went through.

Nobody said this abuse of power when it was Donald Trump.

You weren't saying that.

On the left, you weren't saying that.

He was actively campaigning to be president.

Nobody said anything about that.

But a grand jury's yes is not the finish line, but it's also not theater either.

It's a serious gateway that usually leads to somebody going to jail.

And it's also not a rubber stamp.

Remember, they looked at three counts, only advanced two.

That tells you something about the process in Alexandria, not D.C., not New York, the venue that handles sensitive national security matters all of the time.

So

where should you land on this?

Here's where I land on this.

I don't know where you will, but

perp walks, we should never do for TV ratings.

Procedures, we should.

Now,

if you want to stop TV rating perp walks, let's have that conversation.

But it needs to happen on both sides.

Again, one of my coworkers was perp walked.

volunteered over and over again.

I'll turn myself in, I'll turn myself in.

No, it was for the humiliation.

So, if it's right for the goose, I guess it's right for the gander.

You want to change that?

Then good.

Let's change that for everybody.

We do procedures.

We book him by the book.

No theatrics, nothing.

Let the witnesses speak.

Let cross-examine,

you know, cut back and forth.

Let the jurors weigh the credibility.

That's how trust is restored.

Not a show.

This shouldn't be a show trial.

It shouldn't be a show perp walk.

We don't bend the law for anyone.

Remember, Donald Trump said, you guys, you don't need a warrant to come in.

You don't need to come in with a SWAT team to my house.

No.

They insisted on that.

You didn't need that.

That would have been offered to any other president, not him.

Why?

Just keep the law as it always is.

But do not make special exceptions for my guy or your guy.

I don't want them.

Same rules that were put to Navarro and Bannon and Papadopoulos and Vanderzahn,

Gates.

If they were in chains, well,

the man who once held the badge at the Bureau, I guess he should be in chains too, because no one is above the law.

FBI abuses, sorry, FISA abuses, policy violating leaks,

you know, those are pretty serious, especially what we are doing right now.

I don't want anything but one set of rules.

And for those who are saying this is just somebody, you know, that is his enemy, you haven't done your homework.

You're not being honest.

If you can't see that this has been done by the book,

the grand jury returned, it wasn't Donald Trump saying, I get him.

Donald Trump can say whatever he wants.

That's not the way the system works.

We don't do things to humiliate people.

We don't do things to appease a base.

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Let's see.

What do we have left?

We have another guest, I think.

Do we not?

Yes.

Bruce Gilly.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Portland State University professor.

This will be good.

He

has just done a report where he's talking about political violence.

Portland State University.

And is it coming from the right or is it coming from the left?

Well, I just had somebody ask me, my sister asked me, said, my son in college is saying that, you know, it's all a right-wing problem, blah, blah, blah.

I said, that's not true.

Maybe historically you could make that case, but I don't even think then you have to look at how they've judged everything.

Well, this professor has done all of that.

And he's come back with the facts.

And I cannot wait for him to share them with you, Bruce Gilly from Portland State University.

Yeah, because you see so much of this in the mainstream media since

Charlie Kirk, there is this thing where, oh, it's usually right-wing violence.

One of the databases said, for the first time, we're seeing a rise in left-wing violence, not right-wing violence.

And they hang on to this stuff, and there's a bunch of people who have built these databases that purport to show that this is the truth.

It's not, of course.

I mean, as anyone would,

you know, it's so obvious, I think, by just

looking at society.

But he has more detail than that.

Yeah, and it's interesting how they got there, how they categorized stuff, and he'll explain all that coming up in just a minute.

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Well, gosh darn it, we didn't get a chance to respond to Mr.

Bad Bunny

today, but maybe we'll fit in time for tomorrow.

I have Bruce Gilleon with us.

He is a Portland State University professor.

Don't hold that against him.

He has looked at the data on political violence.

And

you hear all the time, all the time from everybody that most of the violence comes from the right wing.

And I just can't make that work, but I'm not adding up all the violence.

I'm just the stuff that I've seen, but I'm sure I'm missing a lot.

How do we, how is it possible that that is true?

Well, he's actually looked into it, and Bruce is with us now.

Professor, how are you, sir?

Hi, I'm very well.

Thanks, Glenn.

Good to be here.

Yeah, thank you.

So

where do you even start on this?

I mean, when you have...

you know, Black Lives Matter burning cities down, how is it even close?

Yeah, well, you start with some basics here, which I think you actually need to go back to fundamentals, which is,

you know, political violence is part of the DNA of the left, and it's never been part of the DNA of the right.

Indeed, the right has always been the counter-revolutionary force.

And so, just in terms of first principles, you know, keep in mind that, you know, there's no one on the right who says, you know, I'm pro-life and I think we should go and firebomb abortion clinics.

Whereas on the left, you'll say, you know, I'm anti-ICE and I think we should firebomb ICE facilities.

You know, so the divergence starts at a very fundamental level.

But hang on, there are those who say, who are on the right and say, we have to go kill abortion doctors.

They're very few and far between, but they do exist.

They do exist, but they are condemned by and large by the people on the right.

They are a fringe and they are an isolated fringe.

And I think conservatives are smart enough to realize that political violence actually doesn't work.

And so it's never, and you don't see people running around with t-shirts with

abortion clinic firebombers on saying free who and so-and-so, right?

I mean,

they're never martyrs.

They're never

social justice warriors whose heart was in the right place, even if there were a few

people killed in the process.

So the whole...

There's just a whole asymmetric treatment of political violence between left and right.

And, you know, remember during Black Lives Matter, you had this

quoting, I forget which congressman it was, but you know, you know, make sure you get in trouble.

Just make sure it's good trouble.

You know, as if

as long as your heart's in the right place, any amount of political violence is justified.

And so

that's the fundamental fork in the road between left and right.

So you're right.

So then people hear that, you know, the experts have determined that the data shows it's all the problems all on the right in terms of political violence.

It just, it doesn't pass the smell test

so i just had my sister call me and she said my son is being told and shows me all this stuff and she said how to how can i fight this because it doesn't make sense to me is it true so help her explain this to her son in college

so it's both sins of commission and sins of omission.

By sins of omission, I mean that all of these experts remove from their databases of political violence instances where there was clearly a left-wing motivation and they will retreat into a kind of, well, it wasn't clear what was going on.

Case study, Luigi Mangioni, who gunned down a healthcare executive in New York City, the motivations could not be more clear.

The left-wing bias of the motivations could not be more clear.

But most of these databases don't include that as left-wing violence because they'll say, well, you know, it's unclear, and he didn't exactly target the system.

It was a personal thing, and yada, yada, yada.

So a lot of the left-wing violence just gets left out.

So when you're doing statistics that are saying percentages, one way to get the left percentage down is just to exclude most of it.

Of course, all the BLM violence is excluded.

All of the...

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

What?

Yes.

All the BLM rioters are excluded.

All the targeted targeted assassinations of police, whether it's the police in Dallas who were shot by BLM activists, whether it's the policeman up here in Baffa, Washington who was gunned down by a BL activist, whether it's the

two police sitting in their squad car in Brooklyn who were murdered by a BLM activist.

None of that stuff.

The setting of the fires, the looting of stores, all of that stuff, none of that?

None of that?

Well, yeah, well, I mean,

some databases track violence broadly to include, you know, property damage, assaults.

Some of them focus only on, you know, deaths.

But either way, yes, they will exclude that from their databases and say, well,

you know,

this was a

community protest that got out of hand.

So the general tenor of it was peaceful.

We've heard that before.

And so it's not going to be in the database.

So that's the sins of omission, right, of omission.

The sins of commission are to rope into what they call right-wing violence all kinds of things that no conservative has ever endorsed or supported.

For instance,

these troubled young men who say, you know, I'm an involuntary celibate.

I don't get enough sex.

You know,

nobody on the right has ever said, you know, this is a campaign for conservatives

that we will, you know, that young men should go and abuse women in order to get sex.

Like, when was that in a conservative platform you ever read?

Nonetheless, when some of these troubled young men leave notes to that effect after killing people, they'll immediately classify that as right-wing violence.

Why?

Well, I mean, I mean,

because all of these coders, and this is a, I mean, you know, this is a coding issue in terms of how you code events.

This is event coding.

Typically, you'll have a code book, which will define what means what, and then you'll use coders

who you know actually do the work but all of these people are on the left even the people supposedly in libertarian think tanks like Cato which I don't think actually is libertarian anymore they all come from the left so they all have a kind of cartoonish vision of conservatism that we all hate women we all hate the homeless we all hate non-white people

so any time someone does anything to that effect and leaves a note to that effect they'll immediately say well that's right wing but the difference is none of those causes would ever be endorsed by someone in the conservative caucus, whereas the violence we see on the left is mainstream Democratic Party platform.

How are they labeling the shooting of, let's say, Charlie Kirk?

Okay, so that

is, and in some ways they like that one because it's a very clear, well, some of them are still waiting for the evidence to come in.

It is a very clear example of left-wing violence.

But what it's done, I mean, the reason we're having this discussion, Glenn, is because the moment Charlie was assassinated, I mean, before they'd even had the memorial service for him, all the mainstream media, and not just the New York Times and The Guardian and The Washington Post, but the Wall Street Journal, for God's sakes, the, you know, The Economist, were trotting out these databases to say, yes, this was an instance of left-wing violence, but let's not forget, let's not let this, you

obscure the fact that most of this violence is on the left, and here's all these databases to prove it.

So

in some ways,

their distortions were given new life by the Charlie Kirk assassination because all the mainstream press rushed to these people and said,

you know, what's going on?

And they immediately said, it's okay, children.

You know, it's really still a problem of right-wing violence.

So have you done a look you've you've debunked but have you now rerun numbers at all and shown real percentages or is anybody doing that well yeah i've gone through the the cato numbers um

the cato institute number

run by um alex naraste uh who um you know is

has the virtue of having all of his cases

transparent.

So you can go and look at his database.

You can look at how he's coded coded particular cases.

And the virtue of that is transparency, which is very important when you're producing databases.

Indeed, it's like a standard protocol when you're producing

any conclusions based on databases.

Those databases need to be accessible to the public.

Whereas most of these other

projects, like the prosecution project, like the

one that the Department of Justice under Biden cited,

all of their coding

anonymous.

So you don't know actually what the cases are.

But the Cato one, which you can go through, I went through, they originally said their percentages were, I believe,

essentially 70% right-wing violence, 30% left-wing violence.

And when I recoded, going back to 2020, I found the percentages precisely reversed, roughly 70% left-wing violence, 30%,

you know, generously conservative or right-wing causes.

Aaron Trevor Burrus, have you made that with your coding available?

Well, I just, in the article and then in subsequent discussions with Cato, which I'm going to write up again, you know, there's not actually, I mean, there's not that many cases of people killed for political causes.

Once you take out Islamic terrorism, which is by far the biggest threat to American lives, and even these projects admit that.

But what they do then is they conveniently remove Islamic terrorism from their right-wing, left-wing databases, which is not a bad thing.

I mean, you know, I would just say that the Islamicists get a lot more comfort on the left than on the right.

Yeah, I was going to say that that's not necessarily so anymore.

I mean, you know, when I was making this case in 2010 that they were going to join hands,

you know, it was still kind of theory.

It is there now.

Since, you know, since this, you know, Hamas thing, we're seeing those two forces join.

The Palestinian cause is part of the left-wing cause.

So how do we not include those things now?

Right, yeah.

And not just the cause is part of the left-wing cause, but you now have

members of Congress who openly avow

from the river to the sea and

the importance of Sharia law being allowed to shape certain parts of the United States.

So

this is well within the mainstream of the left.

I would say it's well within the

sort of progressive ranks of the Democratic Party.

So

if we're going to sweep anything and everything that smells of conservatism onto the right-wing side, we sure as heck better put Islamic terrorism onto the left-wing side.

And once you do that, the data will show roughly 95% of political violence in this country comes from the left.

Wow.

Wow.

And that's also, you know, keeping in mind that

when President Biden said

in 2023 that the biggest threat to the American homeland in terms of terrorism was white supremacy, you know,

it was a kind of triple lie in some ways.

And again, we don't know whether he was just clueless or whether he was doing this at the behest of the DOJ, which I think is more likely the case.

The DOJ was working hand in glove with a couple of researchers up at SUNY, Oswego, who are producing this, producing one of these fake databases.

But, you know, so for one, we all know even some of these researchers, you know, could not ignore the fact that, you know, Bourbon Street Massacre, San Bernardino massacre, Orlando nightclub massacre.

I mean, the body count from Islamic terrorism in this country is way in excess of any other source.

So that's not even negotiable.

So to, in some ways,

overlook that and go to so-called white supremacy was the first mistake.

But secondly, what is this white supremacy?

Like, when have you heard someone killed on behalf of white supremacy?

I mean, there might be a few shootings, and there are, and they should be coded as, you know, white supremacy killings.

But since when is white supremacy a conservative value?

Like, what part of the Republican Party platform calls for a white homeland?

You know, what part of the conservative movement runs around with

going to screenings of movies glorifying the Klan?

I mean, that's not a conservative value.

And so even sweeping that fringe movement into the conservative or the right-wing side of the political spectrum doesn't make sense.

And the third problem with that is then when you go and look at all these cases that they have coded as white supremacist killing, right, it turns out a lot of them are very wobbly.

And the only basis on which they've coded it that way is that the perpetrator is white and the victims are non-white.

Whether or not there was any indication, any statement that

this was racially motivated, that this was part of some, you know, it had an ideological component to it.

The best example of that is the young man in,

I forget where he was, some troubled young man in the South who, you know, got

addicted to prostitutes.

Oh, yeah, and eventually Asian.

Yeah, eventually went and shot up the brothel.

Yeah.

And so, so, what, what kind of killing that?

Well, that's a troubled young man who's got an addiction and goes and shoots up the brothel.

Of course, because the people in the brothel are Asian, they immediately coded that a white supremacist killing,

which is

ridiculous.

Bruce, and

even if if it was a white supremacist killing, right-wing conservatives don't embrace white supremacists.

I know.

I know.

Bruce, we'd love to have you on again.

I'm up against the network break and I have to break.

I'm so sorry, but I'd love to have you on again because it's fascinating.

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