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Well, let's say hello to Stu Bregir, our executive producer. Hello, Stu.
How are you? I'm doing very well.

Oh, that is fabulous. Fabulous.
It's a great story, especially the way I tell it.

It really is. It really is.

And I'm just thrilled to hear it. You see, man.

So, you know, can I talk to you a little bit about the basketball gambling scandal? I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
I know, I know. I have to.
Wait, what?

You know about the basketball gambling scandal? I know very little bit about it, okay? I don't know the names of the people that are involved. I mean, I heard them, but I'm like, ah, that is.

Yeah, Hall of Famer. No big deal.
deal.

So,

but I'm listening to this story, and one of the things that caught my attention was how sophisticated it was. You know, X-ray tables that could read the cards from underneath.

Yeah, this is the illegal poker game part of this scenario. And the, you know, the contacts where they could read the back of the cards, all of these different things.

And I thought, that was really kind of, that's kind of cool. That's kind of James Bondi.
Yeah. I was kind of a little interested in that.

But then it got to the point to where it was four out of the five crime families okay and the newscast i heard was it was the italian mafia

and then a you know gene genevieve's crime family blah blah blah blah blah and uh i actually got to the end of that story and i'm like oh

do you remember when we just had the five crime families they were killing each other in new york oh it's like it's like my childhood coming back you know it's like oh i understand this news warm and fuzzy memories of the mob right it was yeah It was like when crime made sense.

I like that tape.

That makes me feel a lot better about it. Yeah.
That's what I'm here for today. Yeah, it does feel kind of antiquated.
A little like, you know, quaint old-fashioned.

You know, it's like, hey, somebody went in and robbed all the sarsaparilla from the fountain.

I like that.

That's the way to go with this, I think. It really is.
It really is.

It does feel like,

you know,

you think about these players, some of them have made hundreds of millions of dollars in their careers, and

they're worried about illegal poker games and, you know, a couple of hundred thousand dollars betting on the under on Terry Rozier's assists or something.

So that part,

did you ever see any of those games?

Because the way I heard it, you know, that's the way I interpreted it. Sure.
That, you know,

they got hurt and then they had to leave early or whatever. There was, yeah, the main one that they highlighted was a guy who basically told people in advance he was going to leave the game early.

So everyone could bet the under. Like they scored less, fewer points.
Correct. And then he left after nine minutes of the game.
So he didn't hit any of those. So did he...
Did he get hurt?

Did he like, oh, ow, ow, ow.

Obviously, faked injury. Yeah.
Was it obvious?

I don't remember watching that game. There have been highlights released of him.

Just to give you a background quickly on this player, very good player for many years. And over the last two years, his entire career has mysteriously fallen apart.

I mean, it was like an outside of the gambling, like, what happened to this guy, Terry Rozier, who was like a good player for a long time, a you know, 20 points a game type of guy, and then couldn't even get on the court, like was traded for a number one pick, and all of a sudden just fell apart.

And some of the highlights of games of his are so bad. Like, they are plays that I would see when I was coaching my seven-year-olds' basketball games.

Like, they're horrible that you would never see an NBA player make. And the insinuation now, of course, is

it had to be something related to the gambling.

Though in the indictment, I don't think it was charged like that particular game that he had done anything with, but he looked so bad that either something was really going on with him physically or he, you know, allegedly was gambling.

What was the NBA's tie to the card table? So, the head coach of the Portland Trailblazers, Chauncey Phillips, is

a Hall of Fame player. Yeah, had to bring Portland.
I was happy with the Italian mafia. And now you have to remind me Portland.
Right. So he was playing the fascinating part of this.

He was playing, they had set up these illegal poker games. And a lot of people are like, whoa, I can't believe now they made gambling legal.
All these scandals are happening.

Let me just remind you of the word illegal and illegal poker games. Like, part of of this was done on, you know, legal betting services on the sports stuff, but, like,

the poker is illegal. This all still happened.
Okay. So, you're not allowed.
What's funny is they're not really getting in trouble for having illegal poker games.

They're having trouble for cheating at the illegal poker games, which is with all the technology you were mentioning. And what they did was say, hey, we're going to have these underground poker games.

Some of them underground in Vegas, which, by the way, you can play legal poker games in Vegas.

Don't go to illegal poker games when you're getting this type of pitch, which was, hey, come, come, you'll sit next to Hall of Fame players and like, you know, former players, they're all big money, and they're not even top-notch players.

They don't, who knows, they might lose. Everyone was in at it at the table except the fish.
A couple, yeah, a couple fish that would come in. Nice.
You did read this indictment,

and you're using poker terminology. It's impressive.
But like, so these guys would come in. Some of them were professional poker players.

And of course, their motivation for being there, we should note, was to take advantage of the stupid players that were going to do dumb things during these games. Now, was this the

in a legal way? Was this, were these the NBA players that were kind of muscled into it because of their poker debts?

I think there are some stories about that

in the indictment where

players had debts, so they had to come and participate in the illegal games to essentially pay off their mafia gambling debts that were unrelated.

Now, of course, this stuff has happened forever. The fascinating part about this.
No, no, no, the mob does not exist. Well, not yet.
The mob does not exist.

I mean, if the mob does exist, I want them to know I love them. You're a huge fan.
I'm a huge fan of the mafia. If they exist, but they don't exist, so let's not even talk about them.

One fascinating part of this. You tell we lived in Connecticut for a while.

The pizza's delicious. It's really good.
It's really good. It's really good.
So

there are now clips being unearthed. I saw one yesterday of a 2023 clip of a

professional poker player saying all of this was going on.

This is now two years ago, saying he knew people who would go to these games and they would play against Chauncey Billups, this is a guy he mentioned.

And obviously, they were cheating because they would just like go all in on,

you know, combinations of cards that you would never go all in on, and they just would win every time.

And so it was really obvious to the professionals who were going there and going, oh, I see what's happening here. And they would stop going.

This was like a known thing. Now,

it's a comical situation when it comes to the poker stuff because,

you know, again, you're talking like Chauncey Phillips made nine figures in his career.

He's not a guy who like certainly is short on money. Some people.
Well, apparently he was if he had gambling debts. Well, I don't think he was the mob.

I don't think he was the guy guy in that particular. I could be wrong on that.
There was a lot of, you know,

multiple people involved in this. I may have missed up the details.
But like, you know, some people, you're right, can gamble away $100 million.

It's certainly possible.

But

if you're an addict, right? It doesn't matter. Like we always say, you know, you talk about alcoholism, right?

If you're a big alcoholic, like people would say, wait, well, you've got all this to live for. Why would you ruin it with alcohol? Well, you're addicted.

You're having a real problem. You have a, you know, what they would call a disease, right? Like it's a serious issue that's not easy to just drop off.
You know what makes me stop drinking?

Mob threats.

That's when I'm like, I think I have a problem. All right, but anyway, go ahead.
They existed. If they existed, they existed and they wouldn't threat.
We know if they

for anyone in this fictional Costa Nostra thing,

we know you wouldn't threaten anyone.

The pizza is great. It's fantastic.

Some of the best sauce you'll ever have. Yeah.
Ever have. um but yeah so it's a it's a pretty amazing story and and

you know it is not as bad i think as previous gambling stories where like referees were actually fixing games right like that is a much much worse thing than what we've seen at least so far in this but it's a pretty big story and i'm and i'm i'm impressed glenn like you're aware of it you seem to have actual information about it thank you what's going on with you We used to have conversations about sports that would just be non-stop comedy because you were so embarrassing about your knowledge.

Well, this isn't really, this was a mob story. Okay.
This is a mob story. All right.
Okay. I have zero interest in the NBA.
Okay. Zero.
So this is basically your version of a mob movie.

That's as close as I could get to a mob movie today. And I love mob movies.
So

anyway, mainly I like watching mob movies. Well, I mean, I like the characters in them, but I really like the food.

You know what I mean? Like, like, geez,

you know, you get to eat like that. I don't know.
Is it worth it? Is that blood or is that tomato sauce? I don't know.

And as someone who grew up

near New Haven, Connecticut, and you worked in New Haven, Connecticut for years,

like, there is a calculation made by the community that they're kind of fine with the mob if they can have the pizza. Like, we're actually,

the pizza is so good.

You guys can commit a certain number of crimes. Can I tell you something? That's the only part of New Haven, though, that makes any sense.
Yeah, that's pretty much true. I mean, New Haven is just

a crap hole.

It is. Come on, it is.
Not the surrounding areas, New Haven itself, crap hole. It has some bad, bad situations around it.
I mean, it starts at Yale and then goes downhill. Okay, but that's

except, yeah, Worcester Street, this whole area

completely

not run by the mob. And it is, it's the safest place you could, you could, you could take a woman and

have her take all of her clothes off and tape $100 bills to her and say, walk down this street at 11 o'clock at night and she's totally safe.

Totally safe. Unless one of the mob bosses are like, you know what? I think maybe we got to talk to her over here.
Bring her over here.

Otherwise, there's no crime happening there. And we should move all of this outside of the pizza quality is alleged.

We don't know, have any of the pieces. I'm a fiction writer.
I'm a fiction writer. I'm a fiction writer.
Not the pizza, though. The pizza is that good.

Anyone who knows pizza, like you'll hear a lot of people say, oh, New York pizza, New York style pizza. That doesn't mean you know anything about pizza.
No. If they say New Haven.
New Haven pizza.

It is really. It truly is the best pizza out there.
But I tell you, they get on that particular street.

Do not ask

anything about the pizza. And if it comes, because it's a brick oven, and so you know, it'll come a little burned.
That's the way it comes. Supposed to come.
Do not

say anything about it. Can I have white crust? Don't do that.
Don't

say that. They just take it away from you.
Yes. They look at you, then they look at the picture of Frank Sinatra on the wall.
Then they look at you and you're dead. Just leave.

It's like a soup Nazi situation a little bit. It can be.
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So I had Jillian Michaels on the podcast. I spent some time with her yesterday, and I just, I love her.
I've always loved her since the biggest loser. I just think she's, I think she's fabulous.

Okay, listen up, fatties.

And

she's just, she's just great. And

she's obviously always been

a big liberal. And she's kind of had a come to Jesus awakening.
Is that how she describes it? No.

I mean, not come to Jesus in the phrasing, but I'm saying, does she see it as an awakening or that like the party's just moved away from her?

The party moved away from her, and she woke up that conservatives are not the bad guys she thought they were. Okay.
Okay. So a bit of both.
Yeah, a bit of both.

um and she is uh she's really clear on it and really great but we talked i was just you know doing the rough greens commercial and i was thinking this is kind of the stuff that we talked about the stuff she talked about you know the food processing that we do and i know this is not one of your big things but some of the stuff that she pointed out that happens in processed food and the food scientists trying to make it better there's a difference between making it better for you better healthier for you and tasting tasting better and what they're doing now with the, you know, the, like Ozempic.

Right. Yeah, the GLP ones.
And do you know what they're, do you know what food companies are doing? They're basically trying to dismantle

how it works. They are going in and trying, how do we change the molecular structure of this food to be able to bypass Ozempic?

Because people, you know, the fast food, yeah, and the fast food companies are starting to go down. All of these companies are losing lots of business.
Dorito's not making enough money.

And so they're hiring these food scientists to say, we've got to make it more like fentanyl.

You know, and I want you to know, with RFK in office, don't do food science stuff in a boat on the Gulf of America. Don't do it.
Don't do it.

It's a very good advice. Yeah, I mean, you know, I'm just saying, I'm just saying.

And we were talking about it. And it's, you know, there's, there is, as she said, you know, a lot of this stuff started out with good intent.

You know, we're feeding the world, you know, the GMOs, everything else. And she said, and there's a line that you get to where you're like, yeah, but I want it to be addictive.

Right.

That's probably a bad thing. Right.
Yeah. I mean, certainly, like, they, you know, you think about social media, right?

Like, in theory, there's a world where social media could be, you know, as someone pointed this out the other day, like it was called social media, but that's totally out,

like, dated term. Like, it was supposed to be like, hey, you're talking to your friends about what's going on in their life.
Like, nobody uses it that way. Stay in touch with your family.
Right.

Talk to people that you haven't seen since high school. Right.
Like, that is not how it's used at all, right? Like, you're following a bunch of accounts that are posting AI videos. Right.

So you scroll all night. And, you know, you've talked to Tristan Harris about this many times.
This is exactly how they design it, right? They are designing it so that you consume as much as possible.

And of course, the food companies do this. I mean, everyone has this.

Every industry is going to, this is one of the big criticisms of capitalism, if you, if you have them. And, and it, and it's, of course, true at some level.

You're also responsible for your own behavior. And I know Jillian Michaels would support that.
We talked about that. Yeah, totally.

You know, there's, you talked about, you know, how when she left the biggest loser, which you ought to hear her talk about that, how the biggest loser and how what reality television does.

And she was like, you know, I kind of understand like

you

because I understand,

you know, I just thought you were

what that a bad guy. Yeah.
And she's like, when you start to see the machine and how it works, she's like, you realize I don't know what is true at all about people.

What do I know about people I watch on TV or listen to or people in the news? I don't think I believe any of that stuff now because I've seen the inside of the machine and it's absolutely true.

It's very similar to what you're talking about with food. Yeah, yeah.

Like it is like they, they, they could, they could tell you a very interesting story about people losing weight or they could, you know, maximize the drama and suck out the good moments and put only the bad ones and whatever else they're doing.

We talked about, um, you know, we talked about Simon.

Simon Cowell. Yeah, Simon Cowell and her.
Remember, she was the bad one. Yeah, she was kind of the Simon Cowell of that show at that point.
Right, right. And She was mean and tough.
Right.

And she's like,

I think she's going to sue. Oh, really? Oh, yeah.
I didn't realize it was that bad of a breakup. Oh, yeah.

There's a new documentary out that, you know, making her look bad again. And she's like, no, none of that happened.
None of that happened.

It was the actual good guy on the show that was doing that stuff.

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Let me ask you something.

You go to work, you're working with somebody you've worked with for 30 years, and they say to you,

you know,

if you've ever really seriously considered alternative citizenship,

you should really consider it right now.

How do you take that?

What is that friend trying to say to you?

Stew? I mean, it could be that I have information that I'm going to give to the government about your illegal poker games. What the hell is that? Well, I mean, I was thinking about it a little bit.

Uh-huh. This is what he said to me in the break.
He just, we were talking about other things. We were like, okay, we got to talk about this.
We got to talk about this.

And by the way, Glenn, if you've ever really considered alternative citizenship, now is probably the time to do it. I'm like, excuse me, what? Well, 10 seconds.
Wait a minute, what?

My thought process

was,

you know,

there was a

truce of sorts in our country

where you didn't go after your political enemies with the force of law.

Democrats decided, if you remember recently, I do, that they were going to break that truce and just dissolve all of the traditions that we had in that area by trying to throw Donald Trump in prison over and over and over again.

Now, you may have noted

that,

you know,

we are having a situation where I think this is going to be the norm going forward. And when

the next Democrat gets in office, I'm not saying you're at the top of the list to get thrown into a gulag, but you're not at the bottom of it. Right.
So this is. And you're just going to skate.

You're just fine. Oh, I...
I turn state's evidence immediately on you.

The easiest thing in the world for me, because I can just go in there and be like, oh, let me tell you all the stuff I know about Clinton. And they're going to, I'm free.

I think, I'm pretty sure that's how it works.

But I do think, you know,

Donald Trump's not going to be president forever. What country...

Well, imagine if AOC is the president of the United States. Oh, please don't.
Do you think there's going to be, by the way, not completely outlandish?

She's right in the, I would say, middle of the pack right now in the Democratic primary if she were to run.

And you never know what's going to happen. There's a bunch of different things.

That could never happen.

By the way, Mom Dami looks like there's absolutely no way of stopping him from being um mayor of new but anyway go ahead what was your point so my point is what someone like that gets into office oh no office it is i mean if they're gonna come after anyone who's ever who's ever said anything about low taxes if anybody thinks um i mean we we must win the midterms and we must win 2028 you i mean because he has come after you know when he starts saying you're a terrorist organization and which I believe, you know, Antifa is a terrorist organization.

When you say, I'm coming after George Soros,

Bill Gates, and the Ford Foundation, all of these things,

you have declared war. And they are not, when they have the opportunity to punch back, they are going to punch back.
God help us.

God help us. He's either got to wipe it out

or we're screwed. We're screwed.
And look, we could all

you hope for the best and prepare for the worst.

So what country is going to be the country? First of all, I would never shut up. So I go to anywhere.
I go to Antarctica. I'm organizing the penguins.
You know what I mean? I'm like, look at.

We got to go back into America and free America.

So, I mean, where do you go where the United States, remember how they were uniting people, you know, Biden under Biden, they were, I mean, they, they were trying to get Elon Musk,

you know, destroy him in like four different countries.

So where do you go? You go nowhere. Well, first of all, someone who's known you for 30 years, it's true you never shut up, including at movie theaters and concerts

and funerals. Concerts.

So.

Yes. And so that's number one.

I do agree with you on that part of it.

I think your goal in a situation like that, and you've probably put more thought into this than I have, but like with your goal into a situation where a government has become weaponized to come after you is to move your name down the list.

And one of the ways you do that is just add barriers. Like if you're not, if you're at your house in Texas, they just show up.
If you're in another country, they got to make a few phone calls.

I mean, just add barriers. There's a lot of people they're going to target.
Make yourself lower on the list. Yeah, you're in another country.
You know what comes to mind? Two words, red mist.

That's what comes to mind.

And if they're back in charge with big food and big pharma, they're like, red mist, put it on the fruit loops. Yeah,

it's very inexpensive artificial colour. It's very good.
It's very good. All right.
Let me take some phone calls. Tammy in Virginia.
Welcome to the Glenbeck program.

Hi. Hi, Tammy.

Nice to be here. Thank you.
It's your turn. Now's the time.
We have not done this in a while. Apparently, it's more difficult.

That was your turn. I had it.
Okay, good. Go ahead.

Okay.

When I was taught, I was thinking when a civil war, if a civil war came to the country,

it would be between the people on the streets. Never did I ever dream that it would be government officials like in Illinois and California

not listening to the laws, not listening to the administration. Yeah.
And I'm wondering, where does this lead?

Well, you know, let me just say this, Tammy.

It's a little like

I'm an alcoholic. And for several years, before I admitted I was an alcoholic, I would ask myself every day,

am I an alcoholic?

When you're asking the question,

pretty good shot, you're deeply down that road. Okay.
So if you're asking,

is this going to develop into a civil war?

I've never asked that before up until recently. You know what I mean?

I've lived for 62 years. I've lived in America.
Never had that. Never had that thought.
Are we going to go into a civil war? Never had that thought. Okay.

Now you kind of ask yourself

every day, if they're doing this, and they are blocking the feds from actually doing constitutionally what they're supposed to do. And that

then triggers the Constitution on an insurrection,

which would mean the government then

has the right and the power to go into those states and put down an insurrection.

Yeah, I don't think we need to ask ourselves, where is that leading? We know where that's leading. And it's no place good.
But there is a difference.

Are we in a civil war? Again, I go back to the alcoholic thing. You don't need to ask that question.
You know. You know.
When it comes, you know.

So, wait, you're saying we are in a civil war because you're asking the question or you're saying that when

I'm saying that the

likelihood of going into a civil war is higher than any other time in my lifetime because we're all asking that question:

is this going to lead to a civil war? I mean, what happens? Yeah, so we're all asking this question because we all have the same feeling. I can't find the way out of this because

they're using police to go against federal police. So you've got that conflict.

That's bad. That's not civil war.
No, no, no. I know.
I said it's more likely to happen because we're seeing these things. When you go into a civil war, no one's going to ask, is this a civil war?

Because civil wars are quite obvious. It's not like, oh, it's a police action.
No, civil war will destroy everything.

It's how we turn into Haiti.

You don't want a civil war. You want to do everything you can to avoid a civil war.
So is it like, you know,

Michael Moore

walks into a restaurant. Yes.

And first of all, the chefs are terrified, but walks into a restaurant and sits down. The owner is very happy.
Right. He's just like, we're going to run out of food.
Somebody go out and get more.

So Michael Moore walks into a restaurant, sits down at a table, looks across the the restaurant, and across the restaurant, on the other side of the restaurant, is Jennifer Anniston.

Now, don't know where you're going with this, but it's an interesting scenario so far. He eats Jennifer Anniston.
No, he thinks so.

Walking into the restaurant, the chances of Michael Moore having a fling with Jennifer Anniston were incredibly low, like almost zero. Right.

Now that they're in the same location,

the odds are increased. However, still, it's very unlikely.

Would you say that's where we are?

If he's mixing her drinks,

the odds go up. Now, who's mixing our drinks? You know what I'm saying? Right.
So you're saying it's not necessarily a high probability event of a civil war.

But it is becoming more, it is becoming more and more likely. It doesn't mean that it's high.
I think we're at 15% now. 15%?

You you think it's that high for a civil war yeah maybe 20. holy crap that's that's depressing i mean

this is what i'm saying about citizenship i know war let's go somewhere else war game this you you have people who are intentionally funding a a color revolution but you've been talking about this for 20 years Right, and notice things are starting to happen and come true.

When I was talking about it, remember that's when Erry's like, that's crazy. Yes, yeah.
And we're going to have, we're gonna watch TV on our phones, too.

Okay, right now, all this stuff is happening, and everything that I told you was like these people are all gonna work together to do this, and it's going to be a color revolution.

We now have proof that they are doing a color revolution here in America, and they're funding it to $300 million for the No Kings weekend. Okay, we we know what their intent is,

so

we also know that, you know, did you see this stuff on Snap?

Look at this. So they're now saying that we're going to run out of money for Snap.
Right.

Some states are starting to get to that point. Right.

You look at X and you'll see person after person after person.

Americans, you got to get ready to loot after Snap is going to get canceled.

And Snap's the food stamps. Food stamps.
The new name for food stamps.

You know, we can't get a job. We won't have any food.
And there's people that are seriously now saying we should riot. And lots of influence from foreign governments

might own particular apps that you're on. Correct.
So it's, I mean, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what's real.

There was this book called

Positioning, The Battleground of Your Mind.

It was what started and explained the Cola Wars,

Pepsi versus Coke. Came out in the early 80s.

That's the kind of Civil War I like, by the way. Me too.

And

what it talked is, what it talked about was perception is reality.

And, you know, when you perceive something one way and the society perceives it one way,

then it becomes reality.

The perception here for a lot of people on the left is the only way to solve this is through violence.

And that's becoming more, I would say that that's,

I'm hopeful that it's less than 5% of our population believes that violence is the answer. But that number is growing.

And the apathy toward violence, political violence, is growing probably faster than the actual people that would commit the violence, right? Yeah.

And I do think, you know, when you talk about social media, perception is an interesting part of that, right?

Like, so it's why they say in relationships in your marriage, like, don't talk about divorce, like don't threaten divorce when you don't mean it because it becomes closer and closer to reality.

So I can see what you're saying from that standpoint. I think a lot of people have this idea,

maybe it's because some spend their weekends for free reenacting the Civil War, that it might not be that bad.

It would be very bad.

Very bad. It's not something that you want to keep

bringing to the forefront of our political conversation. No.
I will say that.

I know you're warning against it.

I'm not advocating. Honestly,

I am warning, that's my job, is to warn for anybody who has eyes and ears, listen up. This is the plan from the left.

The government has now recognized that and is trying to curb that, but they're dead serious about color revolution.

And so when you know that that is happening,

you have to put in gear the opposite direction.

We have to go the opposite direction and try at all costs to hold things together, keep people peaceful as long as possible to hopefully turn this corner because a corner is being turned.

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Can you disagree with that in the last five weeks? Have you not seen real darkness?

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Between Stu trying to talk me into citizenship in some other country for something, and then yelling at me like, the Civil War is not possible.

I'm so confused.

You're the one saying Civil War is 20%. You're like, why would I consider leaving?

Because I want to save my country.

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Hello, Alan.

Hello, Glenn. How you doing? So I am just thrilled to talk to you and Stu.
I just, you guys are America's watchmen. And I, as soon as you said I'm going to take a few calls,

something in my head triggered to me to actually give that man a call right now because I just see a few canaries in the coal mine, Glenn, and I know you guys do too.

If you guys see what's going on in Virginia, the AG race, I mean, it's just you got Mon Dummy there in New York.

I mean, the the Virginia race, I mean, what was said, that the evilness behind it, it just goes along with what's going on up here in Maine.

We have a Senate race going on up here.

Everybody knows Senator Susan Collins.

She's not a friend to conservatives by any means.

We are being pushed in a corner up here because

nobody is in our corner for us, really. She's the only one we have up here.
It's getting really, really blue. And we have a man right now running for the Senate who's an actual Nazi.

I'm saying that because the things he said on the stump is really disturbing. As a Christian,

as a Jewish Christian, I am very upset by things he said. And the tattoo that just came out, and he just supposedly covered it up.
It's not just an ordinary tattoo, Glenn.

This is an SS soldier tattoo. The worst of the worst.

And what scares me the most is the new poll that just came out, the New Hampshire poll. It puts him almost doubled over Jeanette Mills.

She's

the Democrat from

established Democrats. Hang on just a second.
Hang on just a second.

It scares me that people will just vote for, you know, an AG in Virginia who's like, hey, just let the blood flow in the streets, and a Nazi in Maine.

But do you think in the general he would win over Susan Collins?

You know, you know, Glenn, I've been thinking about it lately, and

the same push that made me call you

is ringing in my head right now. And it's just bringing up a quote that you brought up in a book that you wrote.
And it was a quote that Hitler made.

And it talks about how the spirit becomes almost like magic, you know, and that's what's coming right now.

If you look at the youth right now, they're being fed, I mean, they're pushed against the corner too, you know, guys. It's expensive out there.
Just hamburger alone is very expensive.

And if you see what these people are saying on the stump speeches, they're,

you know, like Rush used to say, their skull is full of mush, and they are. They're absolute mush, and they're absorbing this stuff like sponges.

And this man's out on the stump saying the things that they want to hear.

You know, Lamont Dami's not doing anything different that no one else has ever done, but he's giving these people hope, you know, and that's what they're grabbing on to. They don't mean it.

You know, just like the Islamists, they'll lie to their adversaries. And I believe these people are lying to our faces, and we know that for a fact.

And I know, Glenn, for the years I've been listening to you and reading your books, these people are serious.

I mean, if you took what they did during COVID, I mean, we haven't even got to the bottom of that yet. Thousands of people lost their jobs.

And this man's out there saying things that just, his rallies are bringing in the youth. The rallies are packing in people, and I'm a little worried.
You know, this might be the actual,

in the grand election, this could be the end for Senator Susan Collins, and it's not going to go the way we think. i mean

we have no one up here in new england and if you really think about it no new england is is where all of us really came you know the mayflower i mean a lot of our history boston maine and we we massachusetts we are rich in history the first fort knox up here we just gone you know it these people we have they're they've forgotten the history and it upsets me so much because we're so rich in history up here and this guy's going out there saying things that just it's it's disgusting and i don't know do you really think senator I mean, I don't see her grabbing on to Trump.

I mean, I don't,

she's going to try to grab onto Democratic votes. I don't think it's going to work.
He's going to take them. He's going to take the votes for her.
And then what?

The conservatives are going to, I mean, I know no one,

we don't really love Susan Collins, but if we lose her, people,

that's a heavy voice and a heavy hand that we need right now.

It's just not looking good.

I'm afraid, Glenn, that the youth are buying what these Islamists and what these Marxists, like you said, they're working together and they're grabbing onto it and they're chewing it up and they're swallowing it.

And it upsets me because I wish Trump would come up here and do a speech and just do a rally because we're just, I mean, it's, it's, you know, what's going on with our Grog rap.

I mean, from China taking over. I mean, it's, it's, you know, it's getting to a point where

Alan.

Alan, yes, sir.

I can hear it in your voice, and I

I feel what you're feeling. And I just, I want you to know,

Texas is a wonderful place to live.

Florida is a wonderful place to live.

I know nobody wants to give up on

their areas, but there are places that,

you know, I think Minnesota. I think,

you know, some parts of Michigan and may lose all of Michigan at some point

that are just they are they're being fed to the wolves and they

they are being fed to the wolves by the Democrats. The Democrats made this

this deal with the devil to get into bed with the with the leftist and the Islamists and they thought they could control them. Well, Chuck Schumer is terrified.

The Democrats, the old Democrats that made this deal and played FTSE with them are all terrified that they are going to be eaten by their own leftist crazies.

And you're seeing it now, you know, where you have

an okay Democrat, you know, as far as that goes, in Maine running against a Nazi, and the Nazi is winning.

This is,

we are in extraordinarily difficult times, and I know that. And I want you to know that you're not alone in feeling that, but you're also not alone in praying and

trying to do the right thing. So let me give you

this piece of advice.

Just do the next right

thing.

Exercise your faith in God, that God has control and he is not neutral in the affairs of men. That requires us, if we want the blessings, it requires us to do all of the hard work.

We cannot sit on the sidelines. We cannot give up.
We must do all that we can do and then let it go. Whatever happens, it's his will and he will work it out.

We don't deserve the blessings that we have already received. We don't.
We don't deserve. Look at how we question 2020.
And now look at how if we all know

if 2020, if Donald Trump would have won then, we would not be in the place we're in right now on the good side because Donald Trump changed.

God saved him.

He found God, I really believe, in Butler.

He educated himself over the last four years. What he and his family went through in those four years changed him.
And now we have this version of Donald Trump, not the 2020 version of Donald Trump.

And yet I was on the air going, this is really bad. This is, there's no way out of this.
We could be doomed by 2024.

And we might have been. But look at the miracles that happened in the summer of 2024 that led up to Donald Trump winning.
We've got to let our version of what has to happen go.

We have to just do the next right thing and the Lord will work it out.

We cannot value our second citizenship, our passport in the United States of America. We cannot value that higher than our first citizenship in the kingdom.
He is the king, no king but Christ.

He is the one we answer to he is the one we put our faith in he is the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob and if anyone can save it

it is him

not us we are dealing with true evil unlike anything I've ever seen in my lifetime we are dealing with as I said in 2008 9 10 11 12 13 14 15

said almost every day

we are going to see the evil that we have not seen since the 1930s. We're going to see it on our own streets here in America.
Well, it is here.

And there's no way for man to defeat evil

without God.

But I have great faith. Why is God? Is God a taunting God? Is he a God that just plays with us? Why would he save Donald Trump at that moment? Why would he save and preserve his life?

He's not toying with us. Why would he let Charlie Kirk go? Because Charlie Kirk lived his life every second, doing exactly what God told him to do.

And look at the miracle that has happened since the death of Charlie Kirk. The number of people that watch that memorial

is estimated to be over 1.2 billion people watch that memorial. We just received a Bible from

an auction that we bought, and it's one of the first Bibles printed here in America. And in it, back in the old days, you know, Bibles and books were just very expensive.
And so you went to leaders.

and, you know, influencers, if you will, and very wealthy people.

And you said, hey, we want to print this book or this library, and we would like you to be a funder of it and help, you know, endorse this.

We just bought this Bible, one of the first printed in America, and the funders

and the ones who attached their name to the testimony

of the truth of the gospel. First funder was George Washington, President of the United States.
Second one, John Jay, Supreme Court Chief Justice. Third one, Secretary of War, Alexander Hamilton.

We believe, and we're still doing our homework on this, we believe that is the last time that cabinet and those kinds of people testified publicly of Jesus Christ

until the miracle of the memorial at Charlie Kirk.

Where you had the president, the vice president, the secretary of state, the secretary of war, health and human services, and everybody else openly testify, not saying I love God, not even saying I love Jesus, saying Jesus Christ is the Lord and Savior of the world.

That does not

happen.

Now, our job is to take that seed

that Charlie planted in his own life, and then

in the harvest,

the Lord took

and started just

planting seeds and showing us how ripe the fields are all over the world. It's our job now, not just to go back to church.
That's a revival. We don't need a revival.

We've had revivals over and over and over again. You know, when the biggest revivals were happening in America in the last hundred years.
We had a revival in 1900, 1920, 1930. We kept having revivals.

Did anything in America change? No.

Those are the times when eugenics started growing out of control, when we started changing our country towards this progressive nightmare where we made our God government.

We don't need a revival because that puts people in the pews. What we need is an awakening.

And that means you get out of the pew if they're not talking about it.

And you tell your pastor, I cannot come here anymore because you won't talk about applying these principles to everything we do every day.

The awakenings happen outside of the church. The church is the last one.

When there's an awakening, there is a reformation, not just of the churches, but also of government and our own private families and institutions.

Because the leadership of those families, institutions, companies, government, they all have been to church, they heard the word, but they're awake and they now say, I'm applying this in my own life.

I'm awake.

It's why I'm talking like I'm talking to you right now.

Because the time to just say, we need God is over.

The time to say, we must obey the true king and savior of the universe, Jesus Christ, and live the way he taught us to live and apply those things in everything we do, every conversation we have.

We must elect people who understand

who their king is. No king but Christ.
Who is your king? Who do you serve? Who do you answer to?

You find those people, and we elect those people.

We live our lives in a way

that we might in some way

be worthy of 5%

of the mercy

he has shown us.

Don't fear

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None of it matters. Your family, your soul, and eternity matters.

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Okay, welcome back to the show. I am I'm

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I have felt things more deeply in the last

six or eight months than I have in a very, very long time.

And part of it is just because there's so much change in my own life right now

that it's just a little, it's, it's a little tender inside. But also

there is a change in all of us.

You know, those who are beginning to be awake, there is a change. He is doing something with the people.
And I just,

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And there's some things that I say that I know that's just true because I know I'm not the author of those words.

Pray every day.

Pray every day. Lord, just help me be on your side.
Help me just do the right thing.

Please don't let me dishonor myself. Please let me hear.
I prayed this morning that I would actually hear you when you would call. And

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Welcome to the Glenbeck program. Stu and I are just, I mean, I wish you could hear the behind-the-scenes breaks because they don't make any sense in the show at all.

We're just sitting here just talking about,

you know, all the good New Haven pizza places because we talked about it for summer. Oh, the Costa Nostra, you know, the basketball scandal.
We were talking about, you know, the mafia and

not that the mafia exist in New Haven, Connecticut at all, just the best pizza in the world. And, oh, my gosh, I'd give my right arm for a slice of

Pepe's or Sally's or even the Spot or Modern. Oh, my gosh.

You know, you're living in a place place that's really, really good when you could name, I just named four really good pizza places in one small town where we live here in Texas and I can't, I couldn't name one place that makes actually good pizza, you know?

They get close. There's a couple.
Yeah, there's a couple. It's hard.
They're hard, much harder to find. And, you know, they're

hard to compare to the original.

Let me go to John in Indiana. Hello, John.
Welcome to the Glenbeck program.

Hello again, old friend. How are you? I'm doing well.

Hey, I just wanted to thank you for coming up here to Fort Wayne last week and celebrating the 100th anniversary of OOO radio. It was great.
I loved it. I love the people.
I love Fort Wayne.

I love Fort Wayne. The people in Fort Wayne are just the best.
The best. Well, thank you.
Yeah.

Yeah, I also wanted to thank you for the prayer.

I'm a firm believer that prayer works.

I am too. I am too.
John, thank you so much. I appreciate it.

Let me go to Mike in Connecticut. Hello, Mike.

Hey, Glenn, God bless us. I'll tell you, talking about New Haven,

Vinny Penn, I'm a fan of Binny Penn over here. He supposedly sent you a couple of messages for me over in the last couple of years.

I avoid Vinny's emails like the plague. Anyway, go ahead.

Anyway, that's okay, too.

Everybody has their thing.

I know.

Fair.

Totally fair. I've been listening to AAM radio for a long time.
And my pastor actually had a show with John Roland years ago called Church and State, which got me a little more involved locally.

I started making phone calls. And I had this idea.
I listen to everybody complain on these radio stations all the time, but I'm an idea guy. You know, how are you going to fix these?

They start talking about stopping doing business with China. I said, start with the shoes, you know, whatever.
But my idea is to get, I hear everybody talk about stand.

Your clips have stand. And I mean, I once heard you say, Billy Graham told you there would be a time when you'd be asked to stand and it would feel strange or something.

I think we all need to stand together at the same time.

I wanted to get this going before the 2020 election for Trump, like on Memorial Day, then 4th of July, where everybody stands at 12, 12. because of the significance of the 12 in the Bible

and stand and either do a peace sign, put your hand on your your chest for prayer, or

say the Pledge of Allegiance for like two minutes, load a trucks down. If we could all stand and do an off-war time zones, maybe we could do a Thanksgiving, Christmas, but get that silent majority.

I will tell you. You know, the people that...

I will tell you, Mike, thanks for the idea. It's a great idea.

If you've ever been to Israel,

on their independence, I think it's Independence Day.

On their Independence Day, they all stop i think at noon

and uh the first time i experienced it i was in the airport and i was waiting for the car to come and pick me up at the airport and the sirens went off at noon and everybody stopped and i didn't know what was going on and like like on the on the streets all the cars pulled over like nothing moved in the entire country for like three minutes and it was phenomenal and i i thought the same thing.

What a uniting thing. Can you imagine just on 4th of July, all of,

you know, I don't know if we have the discipline to do it, but everything stopped. Everything stopped for a couple of minutes.

And it's a powerful, powerful thing when you can get the entire country to do that.

Let me go to Mark, South Dakota. Hello, Mark.

Yeah, hi.

What I was wondering, Glenn, thank you for taking my call. Sure.
is, okay,

what I'd like to see if they could is Donald Trump or the Republicans to start a bill that would actually, or even turn it into an amendment, that would end the possibilities of anyone in federal government to incentivize or give to illegals coming across the border any of our taxpayer dollars.

If you think about it, over the last four years, they used our money to incentivize genocide upon the American people, and it was genocide. And they also...
Wait, wait, wait, wait.

I can't let that go.

What was genocide?

Okay, it is them incentivizing illegals coming. They used our money to incentivize illegals to come across this border, and we had over 250,000

deaths by fentanyl, not census. Okay, okay, okay, okay.

I don't know if I would call that genocide, but it is a very serious problem. But go ahead.

That's also not including the number of murders, the number of rapes, break-ins,

property, and crimes against people.

But what I'm saying is if they made a bill that would stop the federal government, not allow the Democrats to use our taxpayer dollars to do something like this again,

it would

absolutely slow down the growth of illegals coming into this country, even if they take power.

And it would also stop enriching the drug cartels to allow, you know, to get money by sending people over here. So I think that's a great idea, Mark,

and unfortunately needed.

But let me take it from a give you the kudos for the idea. And yes, I think it's a great idea and needed.
Let me just say this. Why the hell do we need that?

That used to be common sense that used to be something that we didn't have this is why this system is wholly inadequate to quote the founders wholly inaccurate for an irreligious and immoral uh set of people it cannot happen because you cannot be free if you need laws to tell you things like

don't encourage people to come here illegally.

Don't spend our tax dollars on things that are helping drug cartels and human smugglers.

If we have to have a law that is passed not for bad guys on the streets, but for our own politicians, you're not saving the country.

So, while yes, that's a needed thing. What is needed more is a return to common sense and truth, a uniting around common principles.

That is our problem. We have no common principles anymore.

I mean, look at the big ones.

Hey, should you be able just to kill somebody because you disagree with them? You want them to shut up?

What percentage of America is now saying, well,

probably.

What do you think that is? I don't even know. 40%?

When you got a guy with a Nazi death head tattooed on him,

when you have another politician running, and he might win, and you have another politician in Virginia who is saying, hey, yeah, I think we should be able to kill the politician, and I would really love to see his wife hold her two babies as they're bleeding to death in her arms.

There's no law. There is no law that's going to fix that.
There is no law.

There is only a return to truth that fixes those things. Let me go to Fred in Ohio.
Hello, Fred.

Hey, good morning,

Glenn. I'd like to say what an honor and privilege it is to be on your radio program this morning.
Thank you. And yes, I called about Sanctuary Cities.

I know a while back there was a big push to eliminate funding for from Sanctuary Cities, and a few of them ended up in court.

What is the current status of that movement to remove the funding?

I think it's tied up in courts.

So there is no, I mean, as soon as we get these,

I mean, these judges are,

the whole thing needs to be revamped. I mean, it really has to be revamped.

But when these judges think that they can stop the constitutional actions,

when you have a court that is saying, I'm sorry,

but

we can,

they're now saying, is it California? I think it's California. California lawmakers are now saying that

they're wanting to be able to arrest federal agents for coming in and arresting illegal aliens.

When you have one,

this is the definition of civil disorder let me just say it that way um

when you have one state government saying if the feds come in and try to enforce the laws passed by the people

and our local government or our state government is going to arrest the federal government you don't have you don't have a civil compact anymore you don't you have you have an absolute nightmare on your hands Yeah, I mean, our constitutional order, if you will, the civilization we've lived under for a long time has a decent share of problems.

There's a lot of stuff that goes wrong with it, but wait till you see life without it.

You know, if

that's the problem with, I think, with the youth, the youth don't know what truth is anymore. They don't know who to get the truth from.
They are willing to listen to anybody.

They have no concept of how they are being played, how social media and outside influencers and even inside influencers are using them

and using propaganda and twisting minds and turning them into revolutionaries.

They have no concept of that. And too many people have lived so comfortably in this country thinking that it will never end and it can't get worse than this.

My God, people, it can get much worse than this. Oh, yeah.
Much worse.

And it is much worse almost everywhere else and almost at any other time. Like it,

it really, we really do lose sight of it.

And it, you know, this is just a recommendation, but perhaps, just perhaps giving our entire thought process to the Chinese Communist Party wasn't the greatest idea.

You know,

through 12-second videos, maybe,

and tech pros or whoever else you want to blame for it, the fact that like the

a good chunk of our younger voters, people are voting age, believe that, you know, standing up to the man equals doing whatever you see on TikTok is probably a bad trend long term.

Probably not going to work out well for us.

Yeah.

I'm thinking negatively. You're a thinker.
I think it's suboptimal overall. Yeah, you're a thinker.

Are you a professor of some sort? Yeah. Your doctorate in thinking?

Yeah, because of reels. Yeah, because that's really, that's deep.
Yeah, that's deep. And

just perhaps, it's just a

maybe an experiment, a mass experiment on hundreds of millions of people where we just give away everything.

all of our waking hours to devices that feed us propaganda, much of it controlled by our literal adversary.

Maybe we should rethink it. Maybe,

you know, maybe not the greatest option we could have taken.

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Let me talk to Dee in Virginia. Hello, Dee.
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Hi, thanks so much for taking my call. Sure.
I'm really grateful for this.

I've been praying a lot about artificial intelligence

and about how

it seems to be important to you. We may not see things exactly alike

at first, but I pray that this will penetrate. There's something you said that I jumped when I heard it.
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Didn't he say

that he was referring to AI as the Sam God? Yeah, he's trying to build God, yes.

Exactly. And you know what? That is a hint

that

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Okay.

That is a very good possibility. I've talked about that before.
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gosh john how long how how many years did we work together we went from 2010 when we started this whole thing to 2015.

yeah uh and and you you left in 2015 um and i had no idea about the struggles that you were going through uh and where that would lead you and why you're on the program now

your book is Confessions of a Christian Alcoholic

tell me the story

well here's the funny thing Glenn I think I didn't realize the struggles that I was having when you and I were working together and I think what's what's ironic right is I heard your story for how many years right that you you know what that looked like and what that what what that did to you and family and Kanya saying you gotta you got something's gotta change right yeah and yet you know and I think this is the truth about addiction, is we can know something and want to do something and still fall prey to it.

And so, you know, 2021, I had

another book come out, became a top 100 book on all of Amazon called Finding Rest. It was about faith in mental health.
And, you know, a mutual friend of ours, Billy Hallowell,

called me up and Billy said, John, you have to be careful. And I said, what? He said, you're going to publish a book.
And you know this as well, Glenn. He said, you're going to publish a book.

And you kind of get this period after you publish it where you fall into this like lull, right?

And,

you know, I kind of joke that it's like, it's like Talladega Knights, like Ricky Bobby. He's like, what do I do with my hands, you know? Yes.
And

so I just kind of said, well, thanks, Billy, you know, but I'll be fine, you know?

And sure enough, like I published that book and you just realize you have certain expectations that it's going to do this and that and the other thing and it doesn't and

you fast forward, I had my own business at the time. I lost my biggest client and then my son was diagnosed with a tumor in his shin.
He was four years old at the time.

And, well, by the grace of God, that ended up being benign. All of those things stacking up.
And here's what I did, Glenn. I just slowly started drinking more and more.

and more.

And it wasn't this overnight thing. And I don't think for a lot of people it is, right?

But all of a sudden, I wake up in 2023 and I realize, oh my gosh, I am a full-blown alcoholic.

And I have this rock-bottom moment on an anniversary trip in Miami with my wife where, you know, she says, hey, I'm going to have the night in. Why don't you go do whatever you want?

I said, I'm just going to go down to the hotel bar, have a few drinks and appetizers. And she goes, don't get drunk.
And I say, I'm not going to get drunk.

And I can say, you know, with 100% certainty that my goal was not to get drunk that night. And yet, by the end of the night,

which is the beginning of the morning, I am on South Beach, Miami, by myself, wading in the ocean, going to the bathroom, drunk. And I'm like, what has my life become?

And my wife, much like Tanya, you know, said, hey, listen, I don't care if you never drink again. What you have to do is get to the root of why you're drinking this way.

You have to find something greater. You have to return to something greater.
You have to dig that stuff out because otherwise otherwise it's just going to be something else.

And I said, can we just go back to the non-drinking part? Like, that would be easier, you know, like than actually doing the soul searching and the, you know, the surgery that it requires.

You know, and it's weird that you think that. I mean, you know,

I got up early today and I read good portions of the book and it's very well done.

And

I have to tell you that there's a couple of things that I think we all go through.

First of all, I'm not really an alcoholic i'm not an alcoholic because how alcoholics i love the the section where you're talking about you know what does an alcoholic look like um right we just have this image in our mind of this is what an alcoholic is like and i'm not i'm not that you know i'm not a whino um and so you go through that you go through you know asking yourself and then trying to stop and you can't stop and you really try and you promise yourself every day and it gets worse and worse and worse every day where you're like i i i'm a loser i cannot stop myself.

I promised myself I wasn't going to drink today. I promised myself I was not going to get drunk when I went down to the bar, you know, at the hotel.

And you violate it every day and your self-esteem just gets getting worse and worse and worse because you can't stop and you have every intention of stopping, but you'll always find an excuse.

And then when you finally realize you have to, then you don't want to do the work of what's causing you to drink because you're terrified of it. You're terrified terrified of looking into it.

And at least I was terrified that that's all that existed in me, that there wasn't actually anything good in me.

It was just this collection of

things that I had gathered my whole life. Does that make sense to you?

Do you feel that way at all?

Absolutely. You know, that's why it's like, I would rather, and this is what I tell people, Glenn, and some people don't like it, but I'm like, listen, my goal,

my ultimate goal for people when I'm talking to them, the ultimate goal for myself is not sobriety, right?

Because I want a better life than just not drinking, right?

I want a better, more fulfilled, flourishing life. That's why I am like, man, I shot for Jesus and I got sobriety thrown in, right? Now,

I'm all okay with programs. I'm all okay with steps and doing what you need to do, right? And community and talking about it.
You need that, right?

But man, if you, when, because when you do look into yourself, Glenn, and you see what is truly there right there's no way that you can personally fix all that no and now some people can white knuckle it for a long time but ultimately they're not as fulfilled as they would be if they actually dug in and invited someone in to fix those things i don't know if you can white knuckle it i really don't i mean yeah um

I really, you know, an AA doesn't expect you to white knuckle it. AA, the first thing is, you're not in charge here.
You got to admit that there's something something much bigger than you.

Whatever God is to you, there's God. And

you have to surrender to him.

And that, you know, the surrender part is part of it.

But I will tell you that until I got into the waters of baptism after all my alcoholism and everything and white-knuckling it for several years, until I got into the water, I could not hold it.

You can't. You can't carry that burden.
You know,

people who, I feel bad for people who don't need the atonement as bad as, as badly as I did, because I don't know if you can really truly appreciate it.

It is when you cannot go anymore, when this decision is, I can't live with myself anymore, it is, it's suicide or something else, and I've tried everything else, so I'm going to give this a try, and you truly surrender and accept that forgiveness and then say, I don't want this anymore.

I don't want to think about this anymore. It's all yours.
Take it.

It's a miracle. It's a miracle.

Absolutely. And I think what, you know, part of my message to Glenn is for people, listen, I was a Christian.

I kind of say, like, I'm not the, I'm the Christian that became an alcoholic, not the other way around, right? And listen, it's okay. Like, I love the stories of the other way around, right?

But I also want to encourage people that. Listen, some of these things that are festering inside of you,

you can love God.

You can love Jesus and and want to pursue him and have all that stuff and yet you still have these things inside of you that fester and that you need to work on and that was true for me right and so my hope is that people listening to this like if you are not you know a person of faith and you want to find you know sobriety in Jesus let's talk but also if you are a person of faith who's like I am so messed up jacked up I'm drinking X Y and Z away I'm cheating on my wife whatever I'm like there's still hope for you because there was hope for me yeah I have to tell you I think that

I feel bad for people who are

are deep in faith because I've seen too many say

no I know who God is and I screwed up and there's no going back for me there's just no going back you know I'm I'm beyond the redemption because I knew everything it does that's not the way God works that's that's your sick head uh telling you that.

Go ahead. Go ahead.
Well, I think there's parts of ourselves, Glenn, right?

We have these whole healed parts that we've given over to God, right? And that's great. And for me, like that whole healed, those parts wrote a best-selling book on faith and mental health, right?

But then when I hit the hardest part of my life, what happened is I realized, oh my gosh, there's stuff in here that A, I had either stuck or didn't know existed.

And I'm like, I don't want to look at that, let alone do I want to give that over to God, right?

And I think what we have to realize is, man, we all have these rooms in our soul, these rooms in our heart that we have blocked off.

And in fact, I think for some of us, there's like secret passageways, right?

Like there's a bookcase and we're looking at that and we don't realize that there's a door behind there and in that door is a bunch of rotten stuff. And that's what we need to do to give that over.

It's amazing, too, that you, for me,

I honestly said my whole life, my mother kid committed suicide. I'm 13 years old.
My mom commits suicide. You know, we were very, very close.
I mean, my whole life changed.

And

I said my whole life until I sobered up, I'm fine. I'm fine.
I'm totally fine with that.

I got it. I dealt with it.
I didn't deal with it at all.

But I actually believed I was fine because I had created this little this little bunker inside of me that could keep that sealed.

But that that rot,

even though you don't realize it, that that you can't seal that bunker off it. It's like it has nuclear waste in it.
It seeps into everything.

My wife says this line, and she's a very wise woman. And she goes, you know what, John? You have to get to the root to get to the rot.

And I was like, oh,

yes, absolutely. And so that's what I've been doing.
It's two and a half years, been sober for two and a half years now. And I'm still, Glenn, finding rot down there.
Oh, yeah.

I'm like, I'm like, oh, my gosh, that cellar, like, there's some potatoes that were in the corner that are like, look, like, mutant now, you know? And I'm like, well, all right, here we go.

We're going to dig those out as well. I'm 30 years.
I'm 30 years into it, and I'm still finding rocks.

So, I mean, you know, you're, you're, you know, you're still like, wait, this route, I thought I pulled this out. You'll see, it is a never-ending process, but I'm so happy for you.

I'm really, really happy for you because your life, I mean, you're two years into it. Let me just tell you, John, it just gets better and better and better.
It really does.

And it is so worth the journey. It doesn't feel like it at first.
And I know you, you, you know it. You wrote about it.
It doesn't feel like it at first, but it is so worth it. And

it is your future should you choose it. And it's very, very bright.
So very happy for you, John. Well, thanks, Glenn.

And I think, thank you for, you know, you never know when you're telling your story.

This is what I say, is you telling your story, that wasn't, if there's 20 steps to finding sobriety for someone, finding Jesus, if you will.

Like, you never know whether your story is step one, five, or 19, right? Your story wasn't step 19 for me, right?

But because you've, like when you talk about it, it's like I remember those things, right? And so I appreciate it.

And I tell people, listen, I didn't get the easiest life possible because I'm sober, but I've gotten the best life possible. And best is better than easiest.
Yes. Yes.

You can't have best if it's easy. I don't think.

Jonathan, thank you so much. Jonathan Seidel, the name of the book is Confessions of a Christian Alcoholic.

uh if you're asking yourself am i an alcoholic probably are if you're asking you probably have a problem with it at some point um but um

uh but again christian alcoholics it's a whole different world because as he points out really well in the book um

it's not what alcoholics aren't what you think they are you know i remember the first a meeting This woman who was 80 had a sweater set and a pearl necklace on.

And I said, I don't know if I meant alcoholic, but I'm really confused now because I didn't think alcoholics looked like you.

And she didn't even turn around. And she was just this beautiful, beautiful older woman, just so prim and proper.
And she just said, oh, honey, we're all drunks in here.

And I realized you don't have to look like that. You don't have to lose everything.
You don't have to, you know, be, you know, a whino in an alley to be an alcoholic.

That is a cartoon character of it. And he points it out really well, really well written book, Jonathan Seidel, Confessions of a Christian Alcoholic.
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Donald Trump's destruction of the White House is now complete.

Yes, and he's moving the grave of Adolf Hitler and going to bury him in the Rose Garden. Anyway,

the White House has responded, and this is hysterical. And I don't know if you can.
Yeah, good. You have it up on the screen.

If you're watching the Blaze, I'll take you through it on radio, but if you're watching the Blaze, this is fabulous.

The White House at whitehouse.gov has just put together a major events timeline, the history of the White House.

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Then 2020, the edition of the Tennis Pavilion.

2023, cocaine discovered during the Biden administration. Then 2020.
The picture for that one is fantastic. That's fantastic.
It's a picture of Hunter Biden in the bathtub holding his nipples.

And then

2023 to 24, Trans Day of Visibility. Oh, gosh.
This picture is not as great. Then

the same pose, though, actually, it does.

Then 2025, North and South flagpoles are installed.

I mean, it is

the White House. What are they saying there? What are they saying? Get your scandals in order.

Let's look at scandals in the White House.

Is it the scandal that I redid the Rose Garden or that I'm tearing this down that was built a hundred years ago and I'm going to now replace it with a ballroom and we're paying for it entirely with private money, no tax dollars?

You didn't care about the cocaine in the White House or the

sperm room in the Oval Office.

I mean, you saw it for a while, and that's

a lot.

I was thinking much worse than that. It was a lot worse than that, too.

Good.

I'm good.

You're so proficient at editing yourself. I am that you did.

I'm very good. I'm very good.

I mean, it's amazing.

I just love this White House because they're willing to do it. Yeah, they don't care.

They're just like,

let's look at the big scandals here of the renovations. I saw someone asking yesterday, like, give me one argument as to how you can possibly be okay with this.
I don't know.

It seems like it'll be nice and useful. That's kind of my argument.

I think it'll be really useful

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Welcome to the Glen Beck program. Tomorrow, I'm going to be at Dickie's Arena with Megan Kelly.
Megan Kelly

is doing her traveling stage show. I don't even know what that's what you would call it.
That's exactly what she calls it. She calls it the Megan Kelly Traveling Stage Show.
Whatever it is.

Experience.

The Megan Kelly experience. No, it's going to be a great tour.
Yeah, it's going to be a great tour. She's got a lot of great people, and then she has me

in Fort Worth.

And I can't wait to go. Can't wait to go.
Dickie's Arena. Yeah, Dickie's Arena.
Bring your family, bring your friends. It's going to be a good night.

Making a pretty big major announcement tomorrow night.

And also,

I'm going into the vault today to see what I'm going to bring for history,

teach something for history. I think I know what I want to share with Megan

and you tomorrow night. Dickie's Arena, get your tickets at megankelly.com, MeganKelly.com.
Very cool.

Now you, as you mentioned, do have a vault filled with all sorts of historical documents, items from our history.

And

I think this makes you a little overqualified to answer the new citizenship test that is being.

We have a new citizenship test? Yeah, it's the new citizenship test.

Can you imagine what it was under Biden?

No. How much do you hate America on a scale from one to 10?

Are you supposed to be here? If you click no, you're in.

The federal government rolled out a longer, harder exam this month for aspiring Americans. Test your knowledge with the quiz.
Washington Post has this. If you want to take it along,

if you're by yourself, you want to check these off, see how many you can get you want to take this glenn

no no you don't i think you'll be you should be able to do these go ahead like the first one i hate these because you know you're walking into you're like oh there's gonna be something that's gonna make me look really stupid all right go ahead um the first one if you get this wrong

Because you now the normal probably think an average person just walking around and I'm thinking about their lives could easily get something like this wrong. You should not get this one wrong.

Who wrote the Declaration of Independence? Is it Benjamin Franklin? John Adams. They give you,

it's multiple choice. Multiple choice, Thomas Jefferson or George Washington.

Thomas Jefferson.

I'm going to put that in there and see if it's right. Oh, wow.
It's right. It's correct.

I will say.

You be like, you have a copy of the original draft of the Declaration of Independence. I've seen you give 20 speeches based on it and all the things that it says.

It's very focused on Thomas Jefferson and your analysis of his thought process in that moment. Of course, you get that right.
But I think an average

could see some famous

Benjamin Franklin. Benjamin Franklin's writing is on the original draft.

John Adams. That's right.
John Adams, his writing is on the original draft. So you could say, because it was a committee of five, but the three of them really were instrumental in that.

So if you would have given me only three choices, I would have had a hard time. I mean, I would have said Thomas Jefferson, but you could also say in the fourth choice,

All of the above. Right.
George Washington. George Washington was not.
I didn't know anything. And Selena Gomez, was she? Oh, she was, yeah.
Okay. She was a big factor.

Name a power that is only for the federal government.

A. Oh, thank God.
It's just multiple choice. Thank God.

A, print paper money. Yes.
B, declare war. Yes.
C, make treaties.

D,

all of the above. Gotta be.
Yes. Correct.
That is correct. You're two for two, Glenn.
Okay.

We might let you in. We might let you into this country.

What amendment says all persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are U.S. citizens? What a fascinating one for them to stick in here.

You know, you should know this. I knew this one.
You should know this one.

Give me the choices.

A, Second Amendment. No.
B, Sixth Amendment. No.
C, 12th Amendment. D, 14th Amendment.

I want to say the 14th, but it could be the

14th. 14th Amendment, final answer? Yes.
You want to phone a friend?

No, because I'd call you, and you are not my friend. 14th Amendment is correct.

And that's, of course, interesting because they are specifically, the Trump administration is pushing for a particular interpretation of that amendment, which includes the phrase they often lead out in the jurisdiction thereof.

Okay, question number four. See, that's how you, though, that's the multiple choice.

That's how I knew it was the 14th Amendment, but when you have other choices and you're like, I don't know, it might be the 12th. I don't know what's the 12th.
What am I saying? It's 14, 14.

Go always go with your first guess.

Not that that was a guess. No, no.
All right, go ahead. The American Revolution had many important events.
Name one.

Okay.

A, the Battle of Gettysburg.

B, no. Battle of the Bulge.

C, the Battle of Yorktown. Yes.
D, the Battle of Plattsburgh no.

So it's, what, C? Yorktown. C, Yorktown is correct.
Correct. Okay, job with that.
You didn't think Battle of the Bulge? I didn't think so.

And I don't want to even think about that one and where that would lead some people to go.

Let's leave that. Please just leave it without.

You know what? Let me give you a safer place, Lizzo.

There you go.

Why were the Federalist papers important?

Is it A, they supported passing the Constitution? D, B, they stoked tensions leading to the Civil War.

C, they inspired Americans to break from the British crown. Or D, they inspired the Declaration of Independence.
A. Constitution.
Correct. Yes, that is correct.
Although, like, you know,

I'd be a wealthy man if this were like on, you know, who wants to be a millionaire? Yeah, it just gets you nothing.

Actually, all it does is get you entry into a country that will tax you into oblivion.

Okay, next up, James. Who wants to be a millionaire and is going to lose it all?

Six, James Madison is famous for many things. Name one.

He was the first foot fungus.

That's right. That's E.

A. James Madison, right? James Madison.
First Secretary of State is A. B.
Helped draft the Declaration of Independence. C, founded the University of Virginia.
D, president during the War of 1812.

Dolly Madison saved the painting of George Washington so it would be War of 1812. President is War of 1812.
Correct.

The new test spotless Madison, fourth president, father of the Constitution, for the first time.

Another new question similarly asked about how fellow founding father and Federalist papers co-writer Alexander Hamilton. So there you go.

When did all women get the right to vote? Wait, what?

This is a new news to a lot of people. Hold on.
When just a second.

Now, we're talking about men who are saying they're women, too. They get to vote as well, right?

When did all women get the right to vote? 1919, 1920, 1925, 1931. This is a trick question.

No, you actually can vote, Clint.

This is a trick question.

Because I think the vote happened in 1919, or at least it started, because I remember 1919, but I think

it finalized in 1920. I would have guessed 1920, but I will be honest with you, total guess.
This is the type of thing, like, what does this have to do with citizenship?

Like, this isn't a question that should be on here.

I'm not going to critique it. I'm not learning the date between 1919 and 1931.
Who cares? Like, you always talk about like, why am I teaching dates? You always talk about this. Yeah.

You know, why are dates the important thing? It's the story. It's what's behind the the story.
True.

A range of dates in a 12-year period to me makes no difference. You guessed 1920, which was actually what I was going to guess, too.
I have no idea if it's right. It is.
It is right.

1920.

I think 1919 is when the

people's vote happened, and then it had to go through ratification or something. Right.
So that had to be over a period of longer than just 1920.

No, 1919, I think. Yes.
1919, 1920. That's really a tough one.

Why did the United States enter the Persian Gulf War?

Oil. That is actually answer B of to secure oil in Kuwait.
Okay. A, is to defend the U.S.
from Iraqi threats. No.
C, to force the Iraqi military from Kuwait. Yes.
D, to defeat Saddam Hussein. C.

C is correct. Though, of course, there were parts of some of those things that were also, I would say, elements in that decision.

When did you start hating America still? I love this country, Glenn. I've gotten them all right so far.
Even the one I totally guessed at of 1920, I got right.

Okay, name one example of an American innovation: A,

the light bulb, B,

the stethoscope, C,

the computer, D, the electromagnet.

I have a problem with these. Okay.

Is the light bulb,

as we know it, was American. But before that

was

France, maybe.

But I think a light bulb as we know it was Edison. What was the next one? The stethoscope.
No idea where that came from.

Don't really care. The computer.

Turing. That's England.
Okay. The electromagnet.

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I think that's English, but I think that was a socialist. That's why I think it it was English because I think it was an English socialist that came up with that.

And I've always wondered, why didn't you just give that all away?

Mr. Socials, why didn't you?

You'd have to go with the light bulb. Yeah, that's what would be my guess of these as well.
It is correct. But I mean, like, the computer, like, that is always one that they,

you can go to Turing, of course, but like, that, you know, that wasn't what we think of as a computer, right? Like, it was, you know, it was the basic

question again. Name one example of an American innovation.
We certainly have innovated it with the computer. Yeah, we did, but we didn't.

But it wasn't the...

I think, I mean, you'll have to look it up.

I think Turing was the one who first kind of came up with the idea of what we think of now as the modern basis, right? But they talk about this with the innovation of the internet,

trying to calculate who actually started that.

A lot of people are like, oh, the U.S. government started it.
But actually, a guy who was an employee for the U.S. government had the idea before he was in the U.S.
government.

Actually, he was employed largely because of an idea that he had before he was in the government. He was hired by the government for that purpose.
So, like, I don't know.

There's a great book called How Innovation Works, which is Matt Ridley, that goes through,

has a great section on

the light bulb and a lot of these things. Worth your time if you feel if you're interested in such things.
Okay, last one. What is Memorial Day? Is it a holiday to honor military history?

Is it a holiday to honor soldiers who died in military service? Is it a holiday to mark the beginning of summer?

Or is it a holiday to honor veterans?

It's to honor those who gave their lives. It's a tricky question because

a lot of people think veterans

are those who gave their lives.

The way you easily remember that is, of course, there's Veterans Day.

There is a memorial for people who die. So, of course, the answer is marks the beginning of summer.
Yes. No, it is

honor soldiers who die now in military service. So you want 10 of 10 there, Glenn.
Okay, so

if I pass now, do I have to marry my brother?

Yes, it's the Ilan Omar amendment of the Constitution.

That should be on there. You can't marry your brother in this country.
That's question 11.

By the way, you only have to get 12 of 20.

And we only give you 10 questions, but

the real test is 20 questions. You have to get 12 of them correct.
Oh, God. You have to get 60%.

60%.

That's an abomination. What is the average American person, not the average American in this audience? What is the average American person out of 20 questions? How many do they get rid of that?

Okay, 60% is high.

I'm thinking about that and I'm like, Two out of the 10, maybe two. It's really bad.
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I cannot believe this. Letitia James right now is standing in front of a courthouse in New York because she's just pleaded not guilty and received a trial date of January 2026.

And she is actually saying this justice system has been weaponized.

Is she bragging about when she did it? That is absolutely incredible to me. Her whole campaign was, hire me, I'll find the crime and put him in jail.
I mean, I believe her campaign slogan was,

elect me and I will weaponize the Justice Department of the state against the people you don't like.

I mean, she legitimately said, I'll get Trump. I'll get Trump.
One way or another. I'm going to get Trump.
I'm going to get Trump. And she tried and failed and is now reaping the fruits of that labor.

Yeah. If you will.
She's actually, I mean, oh,

doesn't it hurt your heart and your head just the hypocrisy every day? It just is like, oh, oh, that hurts. That hurts.
Yeah. I don't know how you live like that.

We've all told a lie at some point in our lives. And then you're in the middle of that lie.
You have that tinge of like gosh it feels wrong

what's going on what am i doing i shouldn't say it this way whatever that thing has that tinge doesn't have it at all no none she also has the most annoying speaking style of anyone in public life jasmine crockett i you know jasmine crockett's got some at least she's got some spunk it feels like it's off the top of her head you know she kind of just like lets it fly i mean she's an idiot don't get me wrong right okay but like letitia james has this really methodical like almost like s a a bad actress in a like city play,

you know, where she she's trying to be overly dramatic. She stops and starts a lot in the same patterns.
Overly dramatic. Yeah.
You know, she was just a rain and she came out and she said, quote,

I shall not beat her.

Oh, Lady Macbeth, thanks for showing up.

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