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I want to talk to you about the White House.

Stu asked me today.

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All right, so let me give you some perspective on this White House nonsense, nonsense.

Every time a president dares touch the plaster or paint of the White House, the press loses its collective mind.

And seemingly, unless the name is Obama.

We We have seen this happen over and over and over again.

So let me give you some history.

When FDR built the East and West wings, okay, those were not there before FDR.

The East and West wings built by FDR, Washington reporters acted as if he were erecting a palace while the people starved.

I looked up the headlines.

These are fabulous.

Now, I think you could probably make the case with the East Wing because it included a swimming pool that was just for FDR and it was all paid for by the taxpayers.

And at the time, America was in the Great Depression and breadlines were circling the blocks, families lived on ration books and the government was picking up the tab for the president's expansion of the White House, which included a giant pool for him.

Yet history has been kind to him and now the East Wing is revered.

All of the buildings, the press cried outrage over them.

They are the same buildings that they're now crying outrage over now.

Except this time,

the East Wing is just too historic to change.

It's just, how dare him do this?

So let me give you a first of many huge differences here.

What Trump is doing will not cost the American people a dime.

Not a dime.

Even when the press and those on the left admit that it is private funding, they say, yes, but it is a grotesque waste of money.

Wait a minute.

From the people that just took $294 million

from billionaires, over a quarter of a billion dollars for the no-kings movement, you're lecturing me on what people should do with private funds?

Please give it a rest.

Okay, so not a cent of taxpayer money is going into this.

It's privately funded by him and those friends that he has called and said, can you help us out on this?

Okay, privately funded.

The second difference is it's not for his use.

There is no swimming pool.

There's no tennis court.

You know, there's no Obama basketball court.

It's not for his use.

And even, you know,

even if it had things that the president would use in it, It's not going to be completed until after he leaves office, after he's gone.

So it's not private.

It's being funded privately.

It's a state dining room and ballroom.

The only thing private about this is the funding.

We should all be celebrating this.

America's getting an upgrade and we're not paying for it.

And don't get me wrong.

If this was done by really anybody else, including George Bush or any of the Republicans, presidents that have passed, I'd probably have a bigger problem with this.

But

I am under

an agreement that I cannot share all the things that I know about what the president is doing and has done to the White House, not for any other reason.

He just, he's not like that.

He does not want credit for really great things.

I can tell you.

No, no, no, I know.

Who are we talking about?

It's weird.

No, it's weird.

This is,

he doesn't like that softer side of him.

It's weird.

So, yeah, so let's clarify that.

He absolutely does want credit for really great things.

He takes it all the time and a lot of times deserves it.

Right, but not, but not in this.

This isn't different type of thing.

And I looked at him and I had to sign this and I'm like, why?

Why?

Because you signed a

non-disclosure.

And so I know what he's doing.

I have seen what he has done up front, personal.

And there is no one better to work on the White House than him.

Okay.

No one better.

He is upgrading things

and he's doing it the right way.

Yet the media, their outrage, it's identical to 1933.

Only this time the facts don't fit the fury.

Okay.

Let me remind you of another scandal at the White House.

Nancy Reagan and the White House China.

Okay?

Let me give you the headlines from this one.

Quote, out of touch, Nancy spends $200,000 on plates while Americans starve.

Americans were starving in the 1980s?

Really?

Reagan royalty dine in luxury as cuts hit the poor.

This was for White House China.

Now, The press made her look like she was royalty and she just couldn't eat off of everyday plates.

That's not the truth.

And I know the truth because before the White House butler, and this was under George W.

Bush, the butler who had worked there since the Johnson administration, the White House butler is the head guy.

He oversees everything in the White House.

I spent the day with him and just talked to him as, you know, I really wanted to do a, you know, a podcast or a video with him, but he wouldn't.

And his stories were unbelievable.

And he told me a story about the White House China because we went down and he was showing me all the China and everything else from all of the different presidents.

And he said, you know, one of the best first ladies we ever had that I ever worked for was Nancy Reagan.

And I said, really?

Even with the China thing, huh?

Because she was out of control, right?

He said, no, let me tell you that story.

He said, Nancy came to him and said, what does the White House need?

Because every president,

most of them, some don't steal the furniture.

Every president tries to leave the White House better than they came in.

So she said, what is it that the White House needs?

I'll raise the money for it.

He said, we need a complete set of state China.

We don't have enough matching plates for official dinners.

So we have all this mismatched stuff and it looks horrible.

So she, again, didn't use taxpayer money.

She raised private funds so the White House could have a matching set of China for foreign dignitaries when they come.

Well, the press turned her into an absolute villain.

And the butler told me, he said, I begged her, I begged her, please let me go public.

Please, let me defend, let me tell the press this was me, not you.

And she said, I'm a big girl.

This comes with a job.

No, you just do your job.

This, I'll take the heat for this.

Now, that used, that's the kind of strength that people used to really respect in America, but, you know, not if it's coming from a Republican.

That's the kind of dignity that Melania showed when the press tore her apart recently on absolutely everything.

But before I get to that, let me just, let me stop here at Hillary Clinton because she's one of the loudest critics of what's going on, okay?

The ballroom.

It's an outrage.

This is the same first lady who, upon leaving the White House, carted off more than $250,000 of White House furniture.

The only thing that got her to return it was the backlash in the press.

By the way, her staff also, if you remind, and her husband, they left petty vandalism behind, prying all the W's off all of the keyboards before George W.

Bush's team arrived.

So they vandalized and stole furniture.

Let me show you the flip here.

When Donald Trump arrived and he entered office the first time, what he found was a greatly aging White House, an executive West Wing.

All the doorknobs were mismatched.

They were loose.

They were cracked.

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Worn carpets,

almost century-old bathrooms that desperately needed updating.

In America's most symbolic home, can we have some nice bathrooms in here that just work, that are not 100 years old?

You would want that in your house.

He took out of his own pocket to restore these things in ways that were absolutely appropriate and beautiful for the White House.

The doorknobs alone, he had them cast, custom brass doorknobs engraved with the presidential seal.

They are some of the most beautiful doorknobs I've ever seen.

I can't imagine how much they cost him.

They were not cheap.

But you weren't billed for it.

You most likely don't even know any of these things, okay?

Because it's the people's house.

He's restoring the people's house and trying to make it nicer.

With Trump, however, no good deed goes unpunished.

Just the doorknobs alone, beautiful and historic, okay?

Just that.

But let me tell you when Biden's team came in, those very fixtures, the doorknobs, some of them mysteriously just disappeared.

Souvenirs for the adults who were back in charge.

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10 seconds and then back to the hypocrisy.

So I really want to focus on the press here.

The same press that is now howling about historic preservation when Trump adds a ballroom to the White House, or when Melania replanted a rose,

stood absolutely dead silent about history while America's history was being destroyed.

Let me start with Melania.

She spent her time and their money to restore the White House rose garden, and the media erupted in mock outrage.

How dare?

She had, I'm quoting, desecrated a national treasure.

She had ripped out the roses and destroyed Jackie Kennedy's legacy.

So here's the truth, because I talked to Melania about it myself privately.

What did she do?

When she replanted the rose garden, Melania went back to the original architecture and horticultural plans drawn up by Jackie Kennedy and Bunny Mellon.

Okay?

Those are the two two that did the rose garden.

She took those original plans and she restored the rose garden back to its original 1962 design, the way Jackie had intended it before

years of overgrowth and disease ruined everything.

Okay.

So Melania restored it, revived it, balanced it, symmetry, sunlight, so the whole thing could flourish again.

And what did they say?

They didn't say thank you.

They didn't say thank you for preserving history.

They printed lie after lie and turned beauty into blasphemy.

Why?

Because the wrong person was holding the shovel.

If that was Michelle Obama and she did exactly the same thing, they would have been fine with it.

You know, these are the same people that have no problem watching actual history burn.

When rioters were toppling statues of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Ulysses S.

Grant, Abraham Lincoln, they said nothing.

They didn't shed a tear or write an op-ed about the loss of history.

Nothing.

When they burned St.

John's Church, which is across the street from the White House, this is a church where every president since James Madison has worshipped, the press didn't call that burning, you know, some sort of a desecration.

They actually called it, quote,

an expression of grief.

So forgive me if I don't buy into their outrage

because this is not about preservation.

All of this is about politics.

All of this is a distraction and none of it is about history.

It's all about hate.

When they obsess over chandeliers and garden paths that you're not going to pay for,

while our cities are crumbling with crime,

Their voices are silent on the cities.

In fact, they say that's beautiful.

But look at the desecration here.

Please.

Federal officers are now under siege.

They're being targeted.

Congress is paralyzed with cowardice.

The Democrats are playing this tired game of survival.

Republicans are mumbling about fiscal restraint, but the Democrats are pushing for more spending and threatening a longer shutdown just to please the radical and dangerous left, their base.

By the way,

I think the

Chuck Schumers of the Democrats actually fear literal guillotines in the streets from their so-called supporters on the very left.

They're cowards.

So, no, this is not about a ballroom or a rose garden or Donald Trump.

Here's what this story is really about.

It's a mirror.

It's a mirror.

And the reflection is damning.

What is being exposed now isn't excess or ego, but the pettiness of the ruling class that despises restoration, hates beauty, and cannot stand the idea that someone might build something lasting privately and with pride

because they're serving the nation.

The real scandal here is not in the White House or what's being done to the White House.

The real scandal is what is happening every day in the newsrooms all across America, where truth was evicted long before the roses ever were evicted from the rose garden.

The hypocrisy and the constant...

Why do we listen to people who have been wrong every step of the way?

Why are we listening to these people?

I mean, Stu came in today and he said, what was it?

You know, as a historian, I can't believe you're more.

That guy runs a museum or, you know, like I think, because I'm the type that I think would, I think they look like real improvements and it doesn't really bother me.

But I'm surprised you,

a guy who, I mean, I think if they changed, you know, a piece of,

I mean, you go in there and describe every single thing in the Oval Office, and you've talked to me at length for hours and hours and endless

hours.

1794, not 1940, 1794.

You touch the interior or the exterior of the White House and you're not doing it with preservation in mind.

I mean,

Truman,

there were boards in the White House from the War of 1812, the char marks.

Truman took all of that and threw it away.

Okay.

He just took it to the studs of the White House.

Now, all of it needed to happen.

But

nobody was saying anything about that during Truman.

But you're

that's the White House itself and the War of 1812.

Again, I tend to not really care about these things,

but let me just.

You're not at all surprised at the process.

For example, we were told as of a couple of days ago that

we have diagrams of it.

We've showed them on the air that a small, like just the facade of the outside of the East Wing was coming down.

And then just kind of offhanded.

In a press conference with a couple of reporters, Donald Trump says, actually, we're knocking the entire East Wing down.

I restored a process.

That's not a surprising thing.

I restored

an 1821 home in Connecticut.

Don't ever do it.

I remember that.

You remember that?

Okay.

So I'm restoring this home, and because of a slight change that I make, it's Paul Post and beam, a beam shears, and all of a sudden my ceilings are coming down and the house is splitting in half.

Okay.

When you are doing restoration,

when you're doing construction on something like this, you can get into it and go, okay, this is a nightmare.

This is going to cost us a lot more.

It's not going to be worth it.

Tear the thing down.

It's 100 years old.

Rebuild it to look exactly the same.

Put modern engineering in it.

Make sure that it lasts.

Make sure that it stands.

Let's just gut this thing.

It's a lot easier to do.

Rebuild it looking exactly the same while preserving the historic artifacts in it.

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and only the right thing to do to pause for a moment and go, wow,

look at this.

And the person that is doing an unbelievable job, and most people don't know about it, is Sebastian Gorka.

He is the deputy assistant to the president, National Security Council, counterterrorism senior director.

And what has been announced recently, I mean, Sebastian has been working behind the scenes quietly the whole time, making a list and checking it twice.

And over 300 jihadists, I think the number is 370, 370, I think, jihadists have been...

neutralized in the last nine months.

It is an incredible pace.

And Sebastian Gorka is here to tell us about the operation.

Sebastian, how are you, sir?

I'm very well.

I'm very well, Mr.

Beck.

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That's all right.

I am honored to be here to talk about these incredible stories that you're absolutely right.

Every American needs to know about, and all evildoers around the world need to know so that they get even more worried.

But it's not up to me.

It's not my accomplishment.

It's President Trump and the amazing team I have in my counterterrorism directorate of the National Security Council.

It's the members of the intelligence community who are hunting these bad guys down and giving their locations to our tier one operators, to others in our military who are bringing eternal justice to these evildoers and turning them into red mists.

So it is a team effort in the spirit of the Commander-in-Chief.

And we have only one challenge.

It's the hardest thing we do every day here, and that's keeping up with the Commander-in-Chief, President Trump.

I know that.

I know that.

And it's amazing.

I just talked to Marco Rubio last week.

He said the same thing.

I said something to the vice president,

and he said, no, no, no, it's not me.

It's him.

I know who's in charge,

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Yeah.

So

let's start.

Who has been on this list that in the last nine months is no longer

taking air?

Well,

as you said, it's more than 370 leading jihadis around the world in all theaters of operations who've either killed Americans or who were plotting to kill Americans, like the number two Abu Khadija and the number two of ISIS in Iraq.

But whether it's Iraq, Syria, Somalia or elsewhere,

these are the best of the best of the global jihadi movement.

Their loss to their respective terrorist groups makes it very hard for them to continue in the ways that they did under the Biden administration, an administration that really watched these people and didn't want to kill them.

This is, as I say, the bumper sticker for what we're doing is

this administration, America, is back in the business of counter-terrorism.

Also, it's not just the ones we kill, but I've got to tell you a story because this is, you know, this is, when you do this, you say to yourself, okay, I'm done uh there is no higher my career can go when i walked into my skiff my secure compartment and information facility because we work in these classified environments in the white house when i walked in day one because thank the good lord i'm not senate confirmed i could start working at 1201 as soon as the president was sworn in for a second time i'm old school i think we're about the same age and i said okay it is the 21st century but i'm going to get a whiteboard i found a whiteboard took it to my skiff and i wrote five things on that board which were priorities for the president in terms of counter-terrorism.

The top one was a then-classified nom de guerre, and it was Jafar.

And our number one priority was to bring to justice the man who was responsible for the murder, the massacre of 13 of our warfighters during the rout of Kabul, at the Abbeygate massacre, that ISIS suicide bombing.

And I'll be honest with you, Glenn,

I thought, you know, this is going to be a heavy lift.

He's hiding out in a very difficult part of the world, a hard target region.

This is going to take us a year,

at best, maybe six months, if the whole intelligence community, you know, repivots to this.

41 days later, Glenn, I'm standing on the tarmac at 3 a.m.

at Dulles Airport.

The president has just given his speech to Congress, his first new address in the new administration.

And I'm standing there in the cold with Tulsi Gabbard, John Ratcliffe, Ratcliffe, the director of the CIA, Cash Patel, Pam Bondi and why are we standing there at 3 a.m.

in the cold?

Because the DOJ jet is about to land from Pakistan with Jafar, his real name is Sharifullah, on board in handcuffs 41 days into this administration.

We put him behind bars because President Trump during the campaign made a promise to the 13 families of those who were murdered, we will bring him to justice.

So

this is when you say

America First is real, and President Trump is keeping his promises.

So I have to thank you for this.

Abbey Gate is personal to me

as well.

Many of the people that were going to the gate were,

we, my charity had shepherd them to the gate.

Yeah, you know.

And

it was just, it was horrible.

And I honestly wish you could go after some of the people in the State Department for what they did played the role the role they played but

what about the Defense Department back then the Department of War now what about you know Lloyd Austin that disgrace to the uniform he once wore who said we have no regrets in the manner in which we left Kabul right that that was that was the last administration I know that was a year ago I know it was is it true when you when he first came in

You you went in and said, look, we've been tracking this person under the Biden administration for 18 months.

And what did the president say to you?

So this is amazing.

So I spent the first eight days of the administration just going around the Department of War, the intelligence community, getting a lie of the land.

How bad have the last four years been?

in counterterrorism.

And everybody said the same thing as if they had talking points.

Can we please be allowed to do our job and get back to killing jihadis?

Can we, quote, return to the rules of engagement of the first Trump administration, which meant if a combatant commander in CENCOM or AFRICOM saw a leading jihadi, he could pull the trigger and take that guy out.

Under Biden, every HVT target, every high-value target had to be sent to Jake Sullivan, the propagator of the Russia hoax, the then acting clown of a national security advisor, who would then wake up Joe Biden from his nap and say, sir, would you want to kill this jihadi?

And of course, nothing ever happened.

Well, day eight, the then national security advisor, myself and one of my team members, walked into the Oval Office with a big map and a big photograph.

And we said, sir, this is a leader of ISIS.

He's hanging out in a giant terrorist training camp in northern Somalia.

And we've been tracking him for the last 18 months under the Baikal administration.

This is all declassified now.

The president looked up at us from the resolute desk and he said, what do you mean?

We've been tracking him.

Kill him.

And he got out his iconic Sharpie.

You know what he's like?

I mean,

you're in the Oval Room.

Yes, I do.

He grabbed that iconic Sharpie and he ticked the go box on the operational orders.

We left the Oval.

My

team member called up a certain part of the US military.

The green light was given.

And literally, Glenn, less than 28 hours later, I'm back in the situation room underneath the West Wing.

It's like a Tom Clancy movie, but it's real.

The op order said 8.45.

We go hot and we're

watching this guy blithely walk around his terror complex like he has no care in the world.

And like a Swiss watch at 0,845 on that Saturday morning, he turned into a cloud of red mist, and we watched it live with the National Security Advisor.

That was 11 days into the administration, and since then, we've added another 369 jihadis who have seen the hammers of hell come down on their heads.

Why did we bring the Abby Gate guy back into the United States to try him?

Why didn't we just kill him?

Well, look,

we are bound

where possible

to capture them.

We use lethal force when capturing them is not possible or would put our forces and civilians at too great a risk to do so.

So we're not cowboys.

We do this in a circumspect fashion.

We are authorized to use deadly force in given circumstances.

And also, look,

I think this gives even deeper closure.

Not full closure, because you'll never get closure for losing your daughter or your husband in a suicide bombing.

But to see this man stand in a federal dock in a federal court in Northern Virginia gives a little bit more closure, I think, potentially to those families than saying, yes, he was killed 8,000 miles away and you'll never be able to see the video.

Let me ask you, you know,

we are now hunting down people.

I've heard you talk about terror cells here in the United States.

How bad is that situation?

Well, look, there's a thing in the U.S.

military called red teaming, where an officer is tasked to think like the bad guy.

So if you're in the PACOM, AOR, if you're in the Pacific,

you think like the Congress?

China.

If you're in CENTCOM, you're trying to think like ISIS or AQ.

Let's, you and your listeners, think like the bad guys for a second.

If you know that the president of the United States, Joe Biden, or your putative president, and Kamala Harris, his fake borders are, literally have dismantled the southern border and you can clear yourself to enter into the United States with an app that is paid for by the U.S.

taxpayer where you put in your fake name and say, yes, I'm a refugee, and that's all you need to step into America to get your $5,000, your Obama phone, and your ticket to wherever you want to go in America.

What are you going to do?

If you're ISIS, al-Qaeda, North Korean intelligence, whether you're the SVR

of Moscow, whether you're the IRGC, what are you going to do?

Of course, you're going to flood the zone.

Now, I can't go into the classified details of our response, but I'll tell you one thing.

bad guys are afraid of hardcore individuals.

And it starts with the alpha male behind the resolute desk, and it goes all the way to Tom Homan, straight out of central casting, Governor Noam, Stephen Miller, the genius behind our immigration policies and securing the southern border.

Just the figures alone, that of those we have physically deported, the worst of the worst, the gangbangers, the people related to inimical regimes, more than half a million, Glenn, have self-deported since January.

Tells you that, yeah, you don't want to mess with Tom Homan, Governor Noam, Stephen Miller, President Trump.

So, you know, we have the crosshairs on the bad guys, and we're getting them out of the country so you can sleep far more soundly at night because the A team is on the job, whether it's smoking the jihadis outside of America or whether it's getting the internal threats out of the United States.

Sebastian, can I ask ask you, and this is probably, this may be out of your purview to comment on, but is the DOJ,

are we really, truly serious?

Because I know we've been tracking, we could tell you everybody who attended a Latin Mass in the last 20 years, but you can't tell me anything about the Tides Foundation or Antifa or whatever.

We are so far behind on our intel on that.

Are we taking it seriously enough?

Do we have the resources on it?

And are we going to go after people who are funding

a color revolution here in America?

We are taking every threat to America, especially those that are subverting or attempting to subvert our Republic from the inside, as seriously as a heart attack.

I can guarantee you this, hand on heart.

Cash Patel is a friend of mine.

Dan Boncino is a friend of mine.

Scott Besant is a friend of mine.

When Scott Besant,

one of the surprise rock stars, gives public statements saying, we will follow the money to any organization that is funding unconstitutional actions in the United States, whether you're firebombing a Tesla dealership or plotting to kill friends of mine like Charlie Kirk.

When Scott Besant says that, a man who literally doesn't sleep to revivify our economy, when he says we're going to follow the money, you can bet your bottom dollar that we will get to the bottom of Antifa.

And look, how historic is it that we have designated Antifa as a terrorist organization?

That's not symbolic.

I can tell you right now, we are working this day and night.

Stephen Miller's team, the intelligence community, the FBI, the Treasury.

So, yes, none of this is play acting.

None of this is, you know, pablum.

This is real.

Yeah,

I didn't think it was, but it's nice to hear that.

Sebastian, thank you so much for everything you're doing.

and thank you to your team.

Please pass on our gratitude to everybody on your team for all of the work that you guys have been doing.

Of course.

Appreciate it.

Of course.

Thank you for telling the truth and for

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Thank you.

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That was one of the most satisfying interviews I've done for a long time.

Brutal, very brutal.

I don't think I've heard anybody speak about, you know, turning people into red clouds before.

It was very brutal.

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You know, part of my job is to help you understand the news of the day, to understand, you know, what it all means.

Not just everybody can tell you what happened yesterday.

My job is to give you historic context and then tell you what that means tomorrow.

And I want to talk to you about civil war.

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This is the worst possible thing that could happen.

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I personally would like not to be Somalia.

I'd like not to be Haiti.

But I'm telling you, I'm going to give you a couple of stories here.

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We are facing, we are at a crossroads

of, you know, and the Lord said, as, you know, they're going into the promised land choose life choose life

that is what sets the western civilization apart we choose life and we do it in every way possible it is why we are the first responders in the world why it's why we're we're so charitable something goes wrong we care about life We care about people that we don't even know, sometimes on the other side of the planet.

And Americans have always felt that.

This comes from the Western civilization, it comes from that moment going into the promised land.

Choose life.

It's why we don't leave people behind.

It's why we offer aid to those people.

If we're in a war

and everything calms down and the battlefield is there, and all the injured soldiers, we offer aid to our enemies.

We don't just shoot them in the head because we choose life.

we are losing this quickly.

We are losing it in Canada is leading the world in choosing death.

I mean, what is happening with MAID up there is truly frightening, truly frightening.

It is, I think, the second leading cause of death now, assisted suicide.

And they're offering it for babies.

you know, teenagers who are depressed.

You can just get, they can't keep up with the number of people that they're counseling to die.

That is a very bad sign.

We see it.

We saw it this weekend with those who are at the No Kings rallies.

The flippant attitude of, yeah, I'm glad he's dead.

I'd kill him myself if I could.

There's something deeply disturbing about that.

And it's also deeply anti-Christian and deeply anti-American.

We choose life.

If we disagree with each other, we argue it out and then we go to the ballot box.

We don't kill each other.

Let me tell you about a school teacher.

Now, I warned in 2008, I was sitting next to Linda McMahon, what, Saturday night, we were at a dinner.

And Linda McMahon is sitting next to me.

And I said, we were talking about the teachers' unions.

And I said, I don't know if you remember this, Linda, but I remember in 2008, there was a little story in, I think it was in the Los Angeles Times, and I read this and I thought, oh my, trouble is coming.

The teachers' unions in California had decided to remove one of their restrictions on teachers.

And one of the restrictions was, You could not have ever been a part of the Communist Party or anything that had, you could have never been involved with any group that had tried to actively overthrow the United States of America.

And they removed that plank.

And I thought,

why on God's green earth would you remove that?

Now, this is before anybody thought, oh, there's lots of communists and radicals and revolutionaries.

Okay.

This is right at the beginning of the Obama administration.

And before anybody really understood what we were facing.

And I saw that and I remember going on the air and saying, hmm, something's really wrong with the teachers' unions.

Look out.

Why would you do that?

Well, we know why you did that.

I mean, that's what brought Bill Ayers in and everybody else.

And you can just do whatever it is you want.

And it was in California.

I've told you about this teacher in California three times now.

I think the first time I talked about him was in 2010.

And he was at Fox.

I was at Fox and he was with Laraza, aka the race.

And I showed you something that he was saying.

He was saying at the time,

this is not about immigration or immigrants.

This is about the global struggle against imperialism and capitalism.

And I said, how's this guy teaching in high school?

How is this guy a teacher in high school?

I then

showed you him him last year or earlier this year time, this gets away from me now,

during the L.A.

riots, so within the last nine months, the L.A.

riots, and he was one of the organizers of Union Del Bario.

And

he was one of the guys who was out saying,

We got to stop ICE.

We got to track ICE, whatever it takes on the streets, these are our streets, okay?

Revolutionary.

He's just won from the California Teachers Association the Human Rights Award.

Why am I bringing him up again?

Because it's not about that.

I just wanted to show you that the teachers unions are embracing him.

He is

now in the news today.

Because he was at an anti-ICE protest where he stood in front of cameras and microphone and said, we want the ICE agents to know you're not the only one with guns.

You are threatening the lives of civil servants.

You are embracing a culture of death.

You are saying,

I don't agree with the law,

and so I will take the law into my own hands, and I will start shooting civil servants, husbands, boyfriends, fathers.

I'll just shoot them

because I disagree with them.

And this man is still teaching in California.

Now let me take this a step further.

Representative Robert Garcia

at a press conference announced with Democratic lawmakers their intention to create a master ICE tracker.

Listen.

Over the course of the next couple of weeks, the Oversight Committee will be launching on their website a master ice tracker.

where we can we're going to be essentially tracking every single instance that we can verify that the community will send be able to send us information on.

So I want to remind you that the killer

or the guy who attempted to kill ICE agents here in Dallas just a few weeks ago was using a tracker exactly like that.

Now, this is our Democratic representatives from the Democratic Party

that are now saying they are putting a tracker together for ICE agents.

This is assisting premeditated murder.

I believe this is treason myself.

You are going against the law

and you are now tracking federal

civil servants.

It's like saying, I'm going to put a tracker on every police car.

No, try this.

Would you be allowed to put a tracker on every Democrat in Congress and show where they are.

I know it's verified they're at this restaurant.

I verified that they're eating at this restaurant.

I verified they're at their house right now.

I verified they're going to this meeting and they're going to go through this door.

Would you be able to do that?

Of course not.

Why?

Because insane people would try to kill them.

Could I put a tracker on Air Force One?

Could I put a tracker on Donald Trump and tell you his every move and where he's going to be at what time, all the time?

I mean, we get close enough to that,

but you would not be able to put a tracker on the plane.

Why?

Because people could shoot it out of the sky.

And if you think he's Hitler, why not shoot it out of the sky?

This is lawlessness.

Can the President send in the National Guard to these cities?

Yes,

by request of the governor,

or

if it is impossible, because of the local community and local governments, state governments, if it is impossible for the federal law enforcement officers to enforce the law.

You are giving him no other option and they want it that way.

They want him to send in the federal troops.

They want him.

They need him to do that because that will prove to all of their lackeys, all of the people who are not thinking at this critical time in our country.

It will give them proof.

See, he is a dictator.

He's taking over law enforcement.

No, he is protecting the lives of civil servants who are just doing exactly what the law is enabling them to do and demanding that they do.

And you're targeting those fathers and mothers and sons.

You're targeting them.

What option does he have?

The left is creating this culture of death.

And if you honestly think,

I mean, remember,

look at what they did when if you got out of line with the left, they cancel you.

How many people were big on the left?

And then suddenly, you think Bill Maher is going to parties with everybody?

They cancel you.

You're dead to them.

What do you think is going to happen?

You're on their side today.

You get out of line with people who are building a culture of death.

You

read about the French Revolution.

It started all noble.

Let's get the king.

And before you knew it, they were turning on themselves.

You've betrayed the revolution.

You're a traitor to to the revolution.

And they started putting

their own people

into the guillotines and chopping their heads off.

And I'm telling you right now, Chuck Schumer and the rest of the weasels in Congress, the people who allowed these radicals in in the first place, in 2004 I said, you cannot let Michael Moore into the presidential box at the Democratic convention.

You can't do it because they will eat you in the end.

That wasn't a fat joke.

Well, it might have been at the time also a fat joke.

But people didn't see it coming.

And I'm telling you right now, Chuck Schumer is afraid of a literal guillotine being rolled in front of his office or his house.

Why are they not doing all of this with, you know, with

the shutdown?

Why are they just absent and they're like, yeah, yeah, we're just going to keep going?

Why?

They're terrified of their own side because they know their own side will kill them

and they just keep encouraging it.

They want a color revolution.

I did this show last night on this.

I've been talking about color revolution forever.

I just,

oh, that I'd have the voice of an angel and I could shake the earth.

I wish more people could hear the warnings and pay attention.

But that is not my concern.

My concern is just to speak to you.

Please, please listen.

Color revolution

is the plan.

Civil Civil war is on the horizon unless we live like Christ and we stand for the truth.

Our own side is starting to fracture

because you're buying into all of these crazy conspiracy theories.

It's not this difficult.

Restore the eternal principles.

Stop going down these roads of conspiracy theories that just divide you from me and me from that person.

We must stand together.

Let's just agree on the Bill of Rights.

Let's just agree on a constitutional republic.

Let's just agree God lives.

God loves us.

We have to serve him.

And the best way to serve him is by serving our fellow man with love and choosing life.

If we get lost in all of the other stuff, we are done.

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Don't forget where you're standing.

This is South Central Los Angeles.

They are not.

They are not

the only ones with guns in this city

They're not the only ones and don't forget that and I don't say that because we're calling us for violence I'm saying that because the people have every right to defend themselves against masked unidentified gunmen with AR-15s and other military rifles

The people have every right to defend themselves.

Stop.

They're cheering now.

These same people who wanted to take away your guns, they're now cheering for AR-15s in the hands of

private individuals.

But notice that these are revolutionaries and communists.

The Socialist Rifle Club of America.

The Socialists, the Communist Rifle Club, the Antifa Rifle Club.

Know your enemy.

Know your enemy.

Enemy is anyone who refuses to see that all life is sacred.

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So can we talk about what's happening in Venezuela?

I told you yesterday or the day before, I can't remember, find it on the podcast,

but I laid out what I thought was happening in Venezuela, that the president is changing the entire structure of the world.

You know, the WEF took 30 years to do it.

The UN took 30 years.

He's trying to do it in three.

And I've told you for years what they're doing is they've built this framework inside of the framework of the United States and the West.

And they have populated it with all of their little droids, all of their, you know, government officials all over the world.

And

when it's ready, they will collapse the system and it will fall into that safety net, which will be one global order.

We know it.

We've documented it.

It's absolutely true.

Say what you want.

We have the facts.

The president knows that that's not the American way.

And so he knows that we're in the same kind of situation, but he is dismantling that safety net and putting together infrastructure inside that I don't think people really understand that put American sovereignty back in its rightful place.

And he is preparing for things

like war with China, which we should be doing.

I don't want a war with China.

I don't, it would be the worst thing that could happen, but we should prepare because they're planning on it as well.

So just like we did with Russia, I don't want to war with Russia, but can we have détente?

Let's not be sitting ducks.

And so that's what's happening in South South America.

It's more of a target of Russia and mainly China to make sure that China gets the hell out of this hemisphere.

And the war on drugs, I think, is just

a nice excuse.

I mean, yes, we have a problem with drugs, and so we are doing that.

But I think this goes much, much deeper than the drug cartel.

This is what the president said yesterday in a press conference from the Oval about this.

Listen.

This is a national security problem.

They killed 300,000 people last year.

Drugs, these drugs coming in.

They killed 300,000 Americans last year, and that gives you legal authority.

We have a national security.

Really, I will say this.

When you look at the people we're dealing with, and we know them.

We know the people coming in.

We know the boats.

We know everything else.

We're allowed to do it.

It's in international waters.

If we don't do it, we're going to lose hundreds of thousands of people.

Now, they'll be coming in by land a little bit more because they're not coming in by boat anymore.

There are no boats in the water.

There are no more boats.

We know the boat almost immediately.

You know, it's pretty unusual when you see somebody with a fishing rod and five engines on the back of the boat.

You know, you don't need that to go fishing.

Wait, wait, wait.

And we will hit them very hard when they come in by land.

And they haven't experienced that yet, but now we're totally prepared to do that.

Hmm.

What did he just say?

We're going to hit them very hard when they come in by land.

Now, is that just border enforcement or is he like saying we're going to war in some way?

I don't know.

How do you interpret that?

I mean, just believing and understanding

what he's been up to over the past nine months.

I mean, I certainly, it seems to me that he's saying

we're going to make sure they do not come in.

You know, I don't know.

It's got to be some message he's sending to Venezuela speech.

Okay, good.

Because I think this is what he's sending.

I think the overwhelming force,

think of Maduro.

You're Maduro.

Put yourself in Maduro's shoes.

You have B-2 bombers.

flying over your head.

You have the United States Navy surrounding your country.

country, and you have the president talking about this.

How well do you sleep at night?

Not very well.

Not very well.

Why?

You're worried that they could come in and invade or try to depose you.

Why else might you not sleep well at night?

You know, you don't have blackout blinds.

There's a lot of people.

Because you have people in your own country and possibly in your own government that you haven't liquidated yet, that don't necessarily agree with you, that would like the power,

that maybe don't want to be a communist country like Maduro, et cetera, et cetera.

Because there's big opposition forces in Venezuela.

In Venezuela.

So you're not only worried about the outside force, you're worried about the inside force, your own people who are close to you, killing you and toppling.

I brought some stuff in.

I heard that quote and I asked for some stuff to be brought brought in.

This is from Project Valkyrie.

If you know anything about Project Valkyrie, Hell History, one of the greatest movies of all time.

It's on TV.

I stop.

I have to watch it

no matter what point it's at.

I know.

It's a Tom Cruise movie from, I don't know what year it was, but it's about the plot to kill Hitler.

And was it 44?

Right before.

43 or 44?

Let me see.

Yeah, I think it was 44.

I have the

order from Himmler to round them up and kill them.

Yeah, November 44.

Right before the end of the war.

Yeah, and they came very, very close to succeeding.

They put in effect Operation Valkyrie, which was a Nazi-era plan to be able to,

if something like this happened, to be able to protect the Nazi regime.

They kind of used that against the Nazi regime and tried to take it over.

And why did they do it?

Well,

they had, there was a core of people who believed,

separate cores in a way, but the core of people that believed that Hitler was a bad guy and that this was, they needed to take him out.

Now, there's different beliefs in there.

Some of them were like, Hitler's doing things that are horrible.

We need to stop him.

Some of them were like, well, we're about to lose this war.

This is about to go against us.

We better be on the right side of this

and be able to say, hey, we tried to do something about it.

So now let me take that very idea.

okay they failed this this failed this is this is signed by himmler you can see right there at the end signed by himmler and you can see where they tried to burn it as they as the as the germans left okay we have all the documents from project valkyrie um we have the death warrant uh we have the warrant remember the general who stood up and and it was He was part of it, but he wanted to kill.

Remember, don't kill them yet.

And I can't remember which general it was, but he was up on the balcony.

He was like, Watch him die, you know, and he killed them all.

We have his signed by Himmler, his execution order as well, because he got it in the end.

Yeah, they figured it all out.

But

what the president is doing right now is what the president of the United States did in Germany at the same time.

We're coming.

Look at the overwhelming force that is coming.

We know who who you are, and you're going to capitulate.

Now,

we're prepared to go on ground.

Now, in 1944, we were, and we had to.

I believe what he was saying there yesterday is you try to come across our border and we will kill you.

Okay.

I don't think he's talking about ground troops in Venezuela.

Yeah, that would be shocking.

But you don't know,

do you?

You just don't.

know here, right?

Again, it's the president.

I've always said I've wanted a president with a twitchy eye for our enemies.

Somebody that our enemies go,

I don't know.

I think that, I think he'll do it.

I think he might be crazy.

I think he might just do it.

Okay.

That's how you get people to capitulate.

I think what he's saying here, and I think all this whole thing is saying to the General Becks of the time in Valkyrie, he was one of the guys who was going to be, you know, he had to get out of the country at the very end because

he was going to be picked up before Project Valkyrie.

And he was one of the guys saying, we have a government.

We have a government.

We're going to be able to

have when the when the

When Hitler is dead, we will assume the roles of the government.

We will call the Allies and say, you don't need to come in.

We got it.

We're your friends.

We're your friends.

We agree with you.

I think that's part of this strategy with Donald Trump.

I think he is trying to make everybody in that part of the world who is against the United States, who's for communism, who is in bed with China, who is who are dealing drugs.

I think he's sending a message.

We're going to kill you.

Now you can either help us on the inside, and then we'll let you clean up the mess.

We'll let you turn the country around,

or you're part of the problem.

I don't know if that's true, but history always rhymes.

And

Donald Trump knows how to project power.

He knows how to, I mean, look what he did with, you know, Little Rocket Man.

He didn't blow him up,

but he kept him in a cage and made friends with him and made and like kept him in a cage in this first term.

And people would like try to put him in a box on the stuff.

It's different strategies for each one of these people.

I mean,

the strategies he used for

Little Rocket Man, totally different than what he's done with Maduro.

And Maduro, too, you have to go back to the history of his first term where they outwardly tried to overthrow.

uh Maduro.

And this is one of the very few things he agreed with Bolton on while he was working there.

But I mean, you you know, Bolton said that was basically a coup attempt.

I mean, he's basically admitted that.

And, you know, we basically said, hey, we are now recognizing the opposition leader.

Like, we went pretty far down that road already once.

This is something he's been focused on for a long time.

We cannot have an ally of Iran and China in Venezuela.

Just can't.

You cannot do it.

They have the terrorist camps with Hamas and Hezbollah, which is they send for final training.

They send them to Iran.

They train them on this island right off the coast of Venezuela.

They send them back for final training in Iran that cannot stand, not off the coast of America.

Most importantly,

can I tell my wife that I need to watch Valkyrie again for work?

Yes.

Okay.

Yes, I might have to do it as well.

I might have to do it as well.

We have to.

We have her studying this.

I have to show you.

I don't know if you've ever seen this.

This is something else.

We keep it with the Project Valkyrie stuff.

This is after we went in and we won the war.

And we were looking for all the scientists, but one of the other things we were looking for were all of his doctors.

We wanted to know what the hell was wrong with that guy.

Yeah, for sure.

So we did an interview of all of his personal doctors.

This whole document is fascinating to read.

This whole document is all of the interviews with all of Hitler's doctors.

What was he taking?

What medicines did you give him?

What was the diagnosis?

You know, why was

his hand twitching?

Look at his face.

Why does his face have this line on it?

I mean, it has everything in it.

The only thing, and somebody took it out at some point and probably either kept it or sold it separately.

We spend so much time trying to find complete documents, and

we usually have to go piece them all together and buy them separately.

Some things are sold separately.

In this one, somebody kept or

sold separately.

It hadn't come up for auction yet.

We haven't found it.

The x-ray that was taken right after Valkyrie.

Because remember, he was hit.

So, I mean, this

is the blood.

This is Hitler's blood from that Project Valkyrie bombing.

And

he had to have his brain checked because they thought he had a really bad concussion.

And so the only piece that is missing from that is his x-ray of his head from Project Valkyrie.

And I can't wait till we find it.

It might take us 15 years to find it, but we'll find it.

It's amazing.

Hey, this is the news.

I've never read.

There's some history in here that I've never read.

Just so you, everyone knows.

Okay.

Okay.

Yes, yes.

Quote, Hitler did not complain of bladder or rectum weakness.

So that now we know.

Now we know.

There we go.

Well, we got to check that one off our list.

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Welcome.

Well, it's such a pleasure to be back with you, Glenn.

It's been a long time.

I know, I know.

Thank you for all of the hits you have taken.

And almost everything from the bell curve, almost everything you have ever written has turned out to be absolutely true, and they still beat you for it.

So thank you for taking the beating for the truth.

We appreciate it.

Thank you.

But I've been a very lucky guy in all the important ways.

Yeah.

So taking religious seriously, were you an atheist or an agnostic?

I was an agnostic, and I wasn't at all hostile to religion.

I thought religion had a lot of value for society, but it just wasn't important to me.

I didn't have strong beliefs, and I didn't seem to need religion.

I was doing just fine without it.

Thank you very much.

Right.

And I think there's a lot of people that might feel that way.

But now you say you you were wrong.

Why?

Why were you wrong?

Well, first you've got to realize that I did not have a Road to Damascus moment that converted me.

I'm talking about 30 years of thinking about this.

I'll tell you how it got started.

My wife had our first baby in 1985,

and she came to me after a couple of months, and she said,

I love this baby so much, I'm having a hard time figuring out where I stop and she starts.

And then she said something, which is a beautiful line, been quoted by others subsequently.

She said,

I love her far more than evolution requires.

And you've got to understand, she is Oxford and Yale educated.

She's real smart.

She knows all about the evolutionary psychology, and she understands that part of evolution

depends on women loving their babies because otherwise they don't pass on their genes.

But she felt that she was the conduit for something greater than that.

And that was pointing her toward God.

And so she set out on her own journey.

I kind of, that's an overused word on things spiritual, but it was.

And I said, good for you.

And I took care of our little girl on Sundays when she was trying out various churches.

and basically stood by for about 10 years until I realized, you know what?

I'm missing out on something.

I have to tell you,

my journey to God started by reading something from Thomas Jefferson.

And I think you can so relate it because understanding your journey, I think is exactly the way you think.

Thomas Jefferson wrote something to his nephew, Peter Carr, and he was trying to teach him all the things he needs to do to be a well-educated, well-rounded man.

And the last topic he addressed was religion.

And he said, when it comes to religion, above all things, fix reason firmly in her seat and question with boldness even the very existence of God.

For if there be a God, he must surely rather honest questioning over blindfolded fear.

And I thought that was so profound.

It gave me permission to go, I don't know if there is a God,

but if there is a God, everything should point to him.

Everything would be, you'd be able to find the intelligent design some way or another.

And it just gave me the permission to not listen to people who say, oh, you're a heretic if you don't believe XYZ.

No, I want to learn it myself.

And I want to know it myself.

And there should be all kinds of supports in all walks of life and all philosophies.

Would you agree with that?

Yeah, it's very similar to

my route.

I'll just add on something else.

I think it is, in some sense,

a route that is available to people like, I think both of us, who do not have what I call the Godgen.

Gajin is

a shorthand

for kinds of abilities to have spiritual insights.

I think that some people, in fact, I'm quite confident of this because I've met a lot of them, including my wife.

Some people have a talent for spiritual insight in the same way that some people have a talent for being moved by music or appreciating great art or great literature.

I would agree with that.

It's a talent.

Not all of us have it.

I don't.

I don't think you...

No,

I actually do, but

I was at a point to where I didn't know.

I was an alcoholic and I didn't know what was true.

I realized everything I believe about God was told to me.

And even those experiences, were those because I believed so deeply that they happened or not?

I just wanted to know what was true and what was made up or what had been taught to me for so long.

I just believed.

Does that make sense?

Well,

yeah, something else that happened to me as I got started on this

was that I realized that without knowing it, I had my own secular catechism.

A secular catechism, meaning it's a pretty standard one for people, well-educated, successful people for whom religion is important and it says things like look we've got a hundred billion universes and we are one little planet in a nondescript part of the universe and the idea that there is a personal god watching over us is kind of ridiculous that was one part of it was another part of it was that science has taught us that

consciousness exists in our brain and only in our brain and once consciousness stops then everything else stops and that uh

it means that an afterlife is ridiculous and and that kind of thing that I believe oh also and that when you came to Christianity you had these ancient texts that probably had been changed dramatically over the centuries and bore no relationship to what a man called Jesus of Nazareth actually said okay that That catechism was making a bunch of empirical assertions, but I hadn't checked any of them out.

Yes.

They were just sort of the common criticism of religion that was around.

And so a great deal of my beginning was, okay, let's sort of look and see how sure I can be that these statements are true.

And that produced a whole bunch of changes in my thinking.

So can we take just those three?

Can you take those and show us what you learned and what changed?

Sure.

The first one, and this is as close to a road to Damascus moment that I've had,

was when I read a little book called Just Six Numbers in early 2000s.

It was written by an astrophysicist, British astrophysicist, Martin Rees.

He's not a religious man himself.

What he gave in Just Six Numbers were six examples of what is called, sorry for all the technical terms I'm dropping, the anthropic principle.

And this is the finding in physics that the likelihood that we live in a universe that permits life are phenomenally small.

By phenomenally, I mean literally one in trillions.

Here's what I mean.

At the moment of the Big Bang, which is now consensus physical science,

at the moment of the Big Bang,

there were a whole variety of relationships that if they were not exactly what they were, we would have a universe of black holes or radiation.

In order for galaxies to form and planets to form, you had to have, for example, a balance between the

forces holding together the atom versus the force of gravity, or else you would have a situation in which the stars would burn out too quickly to form

civilizations.

I'm not going to go into the detail.

take it as a summary that we're talking maybe a dozen or two dozen parameters

that are arbitrary and all had to fit together for us to live in a universe.

Now, that gives us three choices.

We can either say

that we bought a lottery ticket and won a one in a trillion chance, which is not very satisfactory.

Or we can say that actually there are millions of universes, as one branch of physics is trying to claim, but certainly has not demonstrated.

I find that to be far more outlandish than the idea of a God.

And

the third one is that

a force

intentionally created a universe that permits life, and I might as well call that force God.

And that for me was a huge step forward forward because that's way different from Richard Dawkins' indifferent, planless universe.

Well, if you if you look at it, because I went down this same road that you did, it's funny.

When you look at the exactness of everything, you know, a one degree temperature change in space and the whole thing starts to collapse.

I mean, everything is so precise.

You look at our bodies.

How this came together by happenstance is insane.

It's insane to think that that's that's the way it happened.

But more importantly, the Big Bang, I mean, I think this was originally a Christian idea, the Big Bang,

and then it was kind of hijacked and turned on itself.

But the idea of the Big Bang is, okay, it started like this, but who lit the match?

What was before it?

What was, my father used to say, what was first cause?

Exactly.

And you were right, by the way.

One of the

reasons that physicists really resisted the Big Bang Theory when it was first put out is

it sounds like they're just putting a scientific gloss on Genesis.

I mean,

let there be life.

And as of 1920, before the Big Bang theory

started to develop, that was...

just anathema to think that the universe started at a specific moment in time, it just sounded too much like a creation.

Well, that's the way it worked out.

All right, let's take the second one here.

Give me 60 seconds.

We'll be back.

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Okay, so Charles, you said there were three things.

What was the second thing?

Unconsciousness.

And this was,

you know, I took it for granted.

I'm a child of the Enlightenment, and as so many of us are.

Where else could consciousness exist except the brain?

Of course it's in the brain.

And of course, when the brain shuts down, consciousness shuts down.

Well, it turns out there's a lot of very good evidence that is not true.

It takes a couple of forms.

I think the most...

impressive and hardest to refute forms are near-death experiences.

And almost everybody's heard about near-death experiences by this time.

And And a lot of them are extremely well documented.

This is when people,

their hearts have stopped, their respiration has stopped, they are clinically dead, and they report, first, being able to see what's going on in the attempts to resuscitate them, including specific idiosyncratic events that there should be no way that they know.

And then there's the famous light at the end of the tunnel and other things that occur in the course of the experience that we can't verify.

But the point is we can verify a lot of the things that they are reporting that they are able to see, usually from above, that is going on while they're in the hospital.

Well, that certainly makes it difficult to say that consciousness can't exist without the brain.

But there's another one.

This is less well known.

It's called terminal lucidity, and it involves people who have advanced dementia, haven't recognized their spouse or children for years, have not said a word for years.

I mean, sadly, many listeners, and in my own life, have had parents or other friends who've suffered from dementia.

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They may be back for 10 minutes.

They may be back for an hour.

But by back, I mean they recognize their family members.

They have memories.

They talk about memories, ask questions.

They exhibit personality characteristics that they had before.

And these are witnessed not only by the relatives, but oftentimes medical personnel are also in the room and recording clinical descriptions of what's going on.

These are extremely well documented.

Explain to me again.

how this is happening if they do not have brains that are functionally able to have co-organized thought.

So all of that leads one to say, and in my case to say it with a little bit of trepidation,

I just might have a soul after all.

Wow.

And the third?

The third involves the New Testament.

There was a very influential revisionist force that basically trashed the New Testament over the course of the 19th and 20th centuries so that

they were essentially essentially saying you can't trust a thing in the New Testament as really reflecting the words of Jesus of Nazareth, let alone trust any of the specific accounts of the miracles or anything else.

And

there is a school of scholarship that has been gaining momentum in the last 20 or 30 years, which is pushing back on that with a lot of new research that I find very impressive.

And I think it's impressive on a couple of scores.

And one is,

I think that it is pushing back the dates of the

Gospels to much earlier than they've ordinarily been dated.

You know, most of them have been dated toward the end of the first century,

which is quite a while after the crucifixion.

It seems much more plausible to me with the evidence that's come to light that we're talking the 40s and 50s when they were composed.

10 years after 20 years.

Yeah.

And also, also a lot of the revisionist claims of anonymous authors and additions and so forth that were added completely apart from anything that really was in the Bible.

Well, a lot of that has been debunked by some fascinating research which documents the ways in which whoever wrote the Gospels knew an awful lot about first century Judea and Galilee.

There's an awful lot of specifics that they get right that the

discredited gospels don't get right.

Wait, hang on just a second.

Let me take a quick break, and I want to continue this, but I also want to ask you

about the resurrection.

How does a guy like you deal with something like the resurrection of Christ?

I don't know

where you stand on that, but I'm anxious to hear what you found on that.

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Charles Murray is a policy analyst,

MIT, Harvard.

In 1984, he published Losing Ground, which changed everything about the war on poverty.

And then he wrote The Bell Curve, which was highly controversial, that changed everything,

Coming Apart in 2012, which was absolutely spot-on accurate.

I mean,

he is prolific and

way ahead of the curve and has spent his life, you know, just under attack from elites.

Although, you know, in some ways, he is an elite.

He thinks this way.

He is really well educated, et cetera, et cetera.

But he just looks for truth.

He's now got a new book out called Taking Religion Seriously.

We were talking about these three things that he needed to take on himself.

And the last one that he was talking about was the truth of the writing of the Gospels, the time period that they were in, the accuracy of the Gospels, who actually wrote them.

And he was talking about how there is new

good scholarly work being done that maybe those gospels were written earlier than

we've thought in the past.

Charles, I'm

so sorry to

interrupt you on that.

Do you want to finish that?

Because I want to go on to the Christ resurrection, which I think goes in there, but you lead.

No, let's go directly to the resurrection because that's one of the most fascinating

aspects of this whole work.

The resurrection should be sort of the easiest to disregard.

I mean, it is such an implausible claim, and it happened so long ago, and yet

the data, and you can talk about the data

because we know a fair amount, really makes it very hard to avoid concluding that something happened of extraordinary power

at the time of Easter.

And the reason I say that is that

you had the execution by one of the most most humiliating, gruesome ways that a leader could be executed.

You had the persecution of his followers that were coming.

These were not disciples.

They were illiterate manual workers.

They were not market researchers or photos or anything else.

So here they are.

Their world has been torn down around them.

They are devastated, presumably, and they're also very scared.

And then a couple of weeks later,

they are utterly energized and preaching a risen Christ

and absolutely confident.

Now, that kind of transformation does not happen without an extraordinary stimulus.

And coming up with an extraordinary stimulus, it doesn't look like the resurrection is a problem.

And furthermore, you have these same disciples going to their deaths, often decades later, often under torture, still insisting that Christ rose from the grave.

Now,

this makes it hard to just dismiss the resurrection out of hand.

And then, of course, you have this thing called the Shroud of Turin

that some of your listeners will know about and others won't.

I was just there, spent three or four days with all the experts in the world on the Shroud of Turin.

And you walk away going, this is real.

This is absolutely real.

That's my conclusion as well.

And I think one of the more interesting sections of the book, because I do have a fairly detailed recounting of the kinds of what things that make this object absolutely baffling.

So

here's where I stand on it.

They have a new method of dating,

which puts the Shroud back a couple of thousand years appropriately for if it were genuine.

Whereas before there was a carbon dating that said it was a medieval cloth.

That carbon dating had terrible problems.

Mainly they had a segment of the cloth which

was an add-on.

Yeah, and so

I'll tell you,

if that dating is confirmed, the new dating is confirmed, I'm going to have a very hard time saying to myself that it did not contain the body of a resurrected Christ.

That's just the way it is.

So

what does this mean

to you?

Because

we started with, I thought I didn't need God.

I was wrong.

What is the importance of knowing all of this in today's world and in our society?

Why is this important?

I think I need to talk to two different audiences when I do this.

The first is people who have never taken religion seriously.

And Glenn, my suspicion is that

the first part of the book where I talk about an intentional universe and consciousness independently of the brain, I think they'll be fairly receptive to that.

And I think these people,

but a lot of them will have problems when we get into the specifics of Christianity.

So to this first audience, I'm saying, look,

you need to take on seriously the degree to which the relationship between science and religion has flipped.

For a long time,

science was explaining things that people had previously attributed to God.

That happened for about four centuries.

Over the last century,

Science has been discovering new things we never knew existed for which religion has answers that science does not.

That's a fundamental change that you need to be aware of.

And the second thing is I want people to realize the extent to which the Enlightenment cut us off from a wealth of wisdom by a variety of profoundly spiritually sensitive thinkers that occurred

around 600 BC.

And so that's not just the Old Testament being put together.

You had Taoism, you had Buddhism, you had some very, very wise people have insights about the nature of the universe and the nature of the human condition that

after the Enlightenment, smart people who get a big education have tended to just never access.

And it's important to access that because it can deeply enrich your understanding of the universe and your place in it.

And then if you're willing to go more specifically into Christianity,

I have found

that,

for example,

I feel in my life the qualities of God's love and also the concept of grace, forgiveness of sins.

And I feel this at a level which is now no longer just intellectual, but I feel it as a reality in my life.

And that's a lot.

And this kind of having this kind of enrichment of your life is not as dramatic as a sudden conversion in which

you are an evangelical Christian wholeheartedly and with no reservations whatsoever.

But I assure you, it is well worth the effort to do.

I would completely agree with that.

You know,

I've often said, I don't understand how scientists don't see

the, I mean,

if God exists, he is the greatest mathematician and greatest scientist ever.

And I don't know why both sides try to separate religion from science.

They must fit hand in glove.

Do you agree with that?

Yes, and I also agree with Thomas Aquinas, who

a long time ago

said humans must understand that God takes pleasure in our understanding his universe, which is, by the way, very different from Islam.

That God wants us to

understand his universe.

God loves it when scientists are discovering new facts about the universe.

And similarly,

it's very clear that the notion of a rational

God

was instrumental in creating science.

So

I agree with you.

I don't agree with Stephen Jay Goulds, who had said they're non-overlapping magisteria, science and religion.

I think that as time goes on, they are blending rather than maintaining their antagonism.

Why did you say that about Islam,

where you said unlike?

Oh, because Islam, they consider it,

it's considered

denying God's power to try to establish laws that must be the universe obeys.

You are limiting Allah's power to

because He sustains the universe on a second-to-second basis.

The universe does not have an existence independently of His constant sponsorship of us, as it were.

So

it's just like you aren't supposed to have pictures

that depict anything religious in Islam.

Very different, very different mindset.

How is

your understanding of religion, and do you feel that it is going to play or needs to play

a more important role in man's future, especially with what's coming with AI?

What are we facing and how important is this journey?

I think one of the most important results of a resurgence of religion

will be an understanding that morality is fundamentally grounded in absolutes, in truths that are not subject to situational ethics and the rest of it.

C.S.

Lewis makes a very powerful case for a moral law that is essentially divine in origins and that provides a bottom.

to our ethical decisions.

If there is one thing that I think we are seeing over the last 50 years, it is the degree to which secular humanism does not have staying power.

That from a moral perspective, time and again, they get on slippery slopes whereby something that sounds fine to begin with, such as assisted suicide for people who are desperately ill and in great pain,

suddenly, you know, slowly turns into euthanasia that is more and more broadly available and is applied sometimes when it's not clear that the people really want to be euthanized.

And it's that kind of slippery slope that the moral law helps us avoid.

I think secular humanism is not enough to sustain the role

that religion plays

in supporting civil society.

Last question, I've only got about a minute on this.

I don't know if you can answer it in a minute, but

we are headed for cataclysmic stuff if we don't turn around.

Is the West savable with these understandings?

I find the left utterly incomprehensible recently.

I don't see...

I'm a social scientist, and I look at the social sciences now, and they say I don't think they're redeemable.

I think that

they're deeply corrupt and just getting worse.

So short answer, since I've only got a few seconds, is on this score, I am deeply pessimistic.

Charles, it is an honor.

It really is an honor to talk to you.

And I hope we get a chance to spend some more time on this in the future.

I really appreciate it.

And congratulations on the book and on everything you've done in your life.

Thank you.

And I enjoy your work very, very much, Glenn.

That's an honor.

Thank you very much.

Charles Murray, the author of the book, Taking Religion Seriously.

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