Did the FBI Bury the Truth About Thomas Crooks? | Guest: Michael Iskander | 11/14/25

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Speaker 1 And we're going to start with what Tucker Carlson just released just a few minutes ago about Thomas Crookes, the guy who apparently killed or tried to kill Donald Trump.

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And I want you to hear it, not as partisan, but as an American who I think deserves straight answers.

Speaker 1 Because there's something happening in our country, and

Speaker 1 we all know it. And it's easy for us to get lost and go down the road of conspiracies.

Speaker 1 And, you know, one of my favorite lines from John Kennedy, you know, Senator John Kennedy, is, we need some new conspiracy theories because the old ones all turned out to be right.

Speaker 1 And we don't need new conspiracy theories. What we need are conspiracy facts.
And

Speaker 1 we are starting to see the outline of something that does not, should not make everybody feel really good.

Speaker 1 And I'll get into that here in just a second.

Speaker 1 But first, the more we learn about Thomas Matthew Crooks, this is the would-be assassin that got within an inch, a fraction of an inch of killing President Trump, the story bends in Washington. And

Speaker 1 when a story bends,

Speaker 1 that tells me somebody is very, very busy trying to keep it from breaking.

Speaker 1 From day one, the FBI and their cheerleaders in the mainstream media, MSNBC, CNN, the whole alphabet soup, all pushed one storyline.

Speaker 1 Crooks was pro-Trump, anti-immigration, a fringe right-winger radicalized by MAGA memes. Remember that? That's what the Biden FBI came out and said about him.
Case closed.

Speaker 1 And then we never heard anything else because

Speaker 1 the story isn't just,

Speaker 1 it's

Speaker 1 incomplete. And as we're finding out now, it is also very, very misleading.
We were told over and over again, he had almost no online footprint. How many times did you hear that, Stu?

Speaker 1 He had almost no online footprint.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I do remember, as you kind of mentioned, bits and pieces that came out about, oh, he said this, but it wasn't a prolific poster, was always.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and you know, how did this guy come up with this sophisticated way to kill without having any online footprint?

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 So apparently there's a very large footprint.

Speaker 1 He had a Discord account, a Snapchat account. He was extremely active on YouTube, his comment history.
And that's where things start to get really, really strange.

Speaker 1 So let me take you through the phases of the guy who tried to kill Donald Trump. Here's phase one.
In 2019,

Speaker 1 violent, yes, but directed at Democrats. In 2019, Crook's YouTube comments were violent, very violent, no question.

Speaker 1 But they were directed almost entirely to anti-Trump people and Democratic officials.

Speaker 1 When I say violent, he was talking about decapitations and shootings taking out government officials. Now,

Speaker 1 we all know, I mean, you may not know, I know,

Speaker 1 but you may just feel like, of course, that's happening. The government is monitoring everything,

Speaker 1 okay? There are key words, decapitation of fill in the politician. That shows up.
That rings alarm bells. If you are talking about violent things and politics, you get on a list.
It's just, and

Speaker 1 you know, you should get on a list. You're talking about things like this, taking out government officials.
You should. The government should be monitoring stuff like that.

Speaker 1 Now, remember, This is in a period when the U.S. government, we later have learned, was monitoring social media more aggressively than than any other point in U.S.
history. Okay.

Speaker 1 They were looking for these kinds of things. People were arrested for memes

Speaker 1 at this time. But crooks, nothing.

Speaker 1 Nothing. Not a warning, not a knock on the door, not one single action.
Why?

Speaker 1 Why?

Speaker 1 Because he at that time was, apparently, a MAGA supporter.

Speaker 1 Why was there no knock on his door? Okay,

Speaker 1 now he has a pivot and I'm not really sure

Speaker 1 why this happened. Something happened and it might have been COVID.
But here's the part of the story. No one ever told you.
In 2020, Crook's online comments, they flip and they flip dramatically.

Speaker 1 Suddenly, he is

Speaker 1 violently anti-Trump. He is anti-Trump supporters and again, still extremely violent.
But the FBI and the media, why did they only report the first half of the story?

Speaker 1 The half that fit the predetermined storyline? I think we all know. That's the way the system was working.
Why leave out the part where he abruptly becomes very anti-Trump?

Speaker 1 Why not tell the American people the whole truth? Why frame him exclusively as a pro-Trump radical

Speaker 1 when the data clearly contradicts this? He was, and then he wasn't. You tell me.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Then enters somebody we don't know who this is named Willie Tepps.

Speaker 1 T-E-P-E-S.

Speaker 1 He's the ghost in the machine.

Speaker 1 Around the same time of the flip, a bizarre online persona appears in Crook's orbit, Willie Tepps.

Speaker 1 Now, this account begins encouraging Crook's violence openly,

Speaker 1 agreeing with assassinations, approving of attacks on government officials. But here's the kicker.
The name Willie Teps appears on a National Socialist website in Sweden.

Speaker 1 Now we don't know if that's the Willie Teps, but that's the one you can find online.

Speaker 1 And we know for a fact that the State Department and the intelligence community monitor these circles aggressively.

Speaker 1 Okay, so now you have our State Department, we have our intelligence community that is monitoring people online, especially Nazis in the rest of the world and Nazis here,

Speaker 1 and yet there's nothing, not a single red flag is triggered, not a single investigation, no monitoring, no intervention.

Speaker 1 So why was this FBI monitoring, you know, Catholic churches and priests, but nothing on Thomas Matthew Crookes. Why?

Speaker 1 You're going to have to draw your own conclusions, and I honestly don't know the reason. I have fears, but I don't know the reason.

Speaker 1 Now, here's where his YouTube history goes absolutely insane.

Speaker 1 As the assassination attempt nears, Crooks' search history explodes.

Speaker 1 Tucker laid this out. He searched Trump hundreds of times.
He searched Jack Ruby. He searched bomb-making, car attacks, sniper attacks, successful assassinations, how to escape police gunfire.

Speaker 1 All of these things should ring every NSA alarm bell.

Speaker 1 Nothing.

Speaker 1 Again, nothing.

Speaker 1 Not then, not during the attempt, not afterward.

Speaker 1 They didn't try to stop him. They didn't stop him.
They didn't prevent or try to prevent. They didn't warn anyone.
Instead,

Speaker 1 as soon as he was shot, they rushed out a narrative, a very specific narrative. And then they shut down anything that conflicted with it.

Speaker 1 Okay, as if that's not weird enough, here's where it gets even more unusual.

Speaker 1 The FBI,

Speaker 1 Trump's own FBI at the time, kept all of Crook's shifting political and violent history quiet.

Speaker 1 Okay, I understand it when it's Biden's FBI,

Speaker 1 but now Trump's FBI. Now, why didn't Trump's FBI immediately come out? Because I know that you have Dan Bongino,

Speaker 1 but we have it on tape where he is saying the guy had no footprint, no digital footprint. And he's being questioned in front of the Senator of the House.
And he's like, look, that's not possible.

Speaker 1 There's no way this 20-something-year-old had no digital footprint. Well, now

Speaker 1 he's second in command at the FBI.

Speaker 1 He would know this.

Speaker 1 Why didn't the FBI do anything?

Speaker 1 And I want to be really careful on Trump's FBI or Biden's FBI, because I'm not sure there's a difference anymore.

Speaker 1 I want you to think of the FBI and this deep state. I want you to think of an iceberg.

Speaker 1 You see an iceberg and you just see just the of it. Two-thirds of that is under the water.
So we're seeing the tops change.

Speaker 1 And we're seeing people put in at the top and we're like, oh, the iceberg is different now.

Speaker 1 But I'm not sure that anybody has any idea how deep that iceberg goes. So I'm not even, I'm not willing to blame the people up at the top.

Speaker 1 I'm questioning, does anyone know how deep this goes? Because I don't think it matters who's running it.

Speaker 1 Even more bizarre,

Speaker 1 they

Speaker 1 suddenly release the body for cremation. There's no extended autopsy.
There's no forensic review. There's no independent experts.
It's just all gone. And the crime scene is washed and scrubbed.

Speaker 1 It's all washed, literally washed and scrubbed before a full reconstruction can be done. Why would you do that?

Speaker 1 You don't do that in a presidential assassination attempt. You don't do that in a local homicide case.

Speaker 1 Unless you want something gone, unless you want something buried, unless you want a narrative and only that narrative to survive.

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Speaker 1 Okay, so let's start with some questions that have to be asked just on this case. Why did the FBI present only the early pro-Trump posts? And they hid the anti-Trump phase.

Speaker 1 There's two answers that need to be had.

Speaker 1 The first one is under Biden. And I think we know the answer to that.
They were building a narrative, okay.

Speaker 1 But it should be asked and answered. Why did that happen? Who was involved in that decision?

Speaker 1 Then you have to say, okay, after the election, why did the FBI still tow that line?

Speaker 1 Who made that decision?

Speaker 1 Next,

Speaker 1 we know they're monitoring people.

Speaker 1 I'm for the government finding, hey, how do I build a bomb? How do I get away from an assassination scene?

Speaker 1 successful assassinations, and where are these political people being, you know, where are they going to be in the future?

Speaker 1 That is, that should be tied together by an algorithm and it should be notified so somebody is watching this. Okay.

Speaker 1 We know it's already being done.

Speaker 1 So why did they ignore Crooks?

Speaker 1 Really unbelievable threats.

Speaker 1 When ordinary Americans were arrested for memes, why was he completely ignored? Why did the intelligence agency monitoring extremism somehow miss a kid openly fantasizing about assassinations

Speaker 1 and then connecting with some guy it looks like is from Sweden who is part of a big Nazi movement over in Sweden? Why was that ignored?

Speaker 1 Why did they clean the scene prematurely?

Speaker 1 Why was every digital trace of his political shift kept out of the public discussion? Why did they say he had almost no footprint when the footprint looks to be really, really large?

Speaker 1 It was just scrubbed.

Speaker 1 Why did every single mistake that our FBI and government made, why does it seem to point in the same direction?

Speaker 1 Towards ignorance, negligence, hiding inconvenient data, shaping a political narrative?

Speaker 1 When every accident points the same way it stops looking like an accident so was this incompetence

Speaker 1 I don't know what conclusion Tucker is pulling from all of this I just appreciate the information and I'm not telling you this is a conspiracy I am telling you there's something wrong here

Speaker 1 There's something very wrong.

Speaker 1 The official story is impossible to believe. And the question every American should be asking themselves is really simple.

Speaker 1 Why would our government, the same government that monitors everything, suddenly become blind, deaf, and mute the moment a presidential assassin emerges on their radar?

Speaker 1 It's not a partisan question because

Speaker 1 one under one president,

Speaker 1 you can say, oh, well, that's because they were doing an error.

Speaker 1 But then when the presidents changed and this president was the one that they tried to kill and he said, I want answers to this, the narrative narrative didn't change. Why?

Speaker 1 Why?

Speaker 1 That's not a pro-Trump question.

Speaker 1 That is a self-preservation question.

Speaker 1 If the government can see everything that you do and somehow missed all of this,

Speaker 1 what does that say about our FBI and our DOJ and our CIA? Because they all would have been involved in this.

Speaker 1 I mean, they're either lying, they're incompetent, or they only monitor the people they they want to monitor.

Speaker 1 None of these options should help us sleep at night. Okay.

Speaker 1 The FBI and the mainstream media,

Speaker 1 MSNBC for sure, reference leaks from Crooks' social media, the YouTube comments, that showed he was pro-Trump and anti-immigration.

Speaker 1 We were also told that Crooks had almost no online social footprint, but he had Discord, Snapchat, very active YouTube.

Speaker 1 His YouTube comments in 2019, very violent, decapitating of government officials. And then something happened.
He switches.

Speaker 1 Something's not right here.

Speaker 1 I think this iceberg is way

Speaker 1 beneath the waterline.

Speaker 1 I think this thing goes so deep, I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 I'm not sure that these.

Speaker 1 I have a friend who who said to me I think the CIA is completely out of control and this is a guy you would not know his name and you wouldn't know his name for a reason but he was very very highly placed years ago and this is the kind of stuff he did and he said I don't think the CIA answers to anybody anymore

Speaker 1 I'm not sure that it's just the CIA.

Speaker 1 I'm not sure. It feels a little like you can shuffle the chairs on the deck of the Titanic, but

Speaker 1 it's what's below the waterline that really makes the difference on that ship.

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Speaker 1 I've got a podcast that I think is mind-boggling.

Speaker 1 I have not done all of my own homework on it.

Speaker 1 I've done enough to hold the interview, but I found this so fascinating that, I mean, this is going to take me months to really research and dig into and come up with how I really feel about this.

Speaker 1 Because this podcast delves into the scriptures, the Bible,

Speaker 1 the Apocrypha Bible,

Speaker 1 legend questions about how things like the pyramids came to be, et cetera, et cetera. And it all leads to transhumanism

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 the mark of the beast and the Antichrist. And it is, it is something I, you know, the guy is Timothy Alberino.

Speaker 1 And I did this podcast with him yesterday. And I said to him at the end, I don't know about all the story that you gave because I have not seen it.
I mean, he gave all the scriptures and where it is.

Speaker 1 And it's in, it's throughout the Bible. And you're like, I didn't even notice that.
I've read that scripture a million times. I didn't really think about that.

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Speaker 1 it's everywhere.

Speaker 1 And if he's right, as I said to him, I can't tell you about this, but the thread, the way you've connected the dots, I believe is right. And it is one of the most important warnings

Speaker 1 to people of faith that I think I've ever heard.

Speaker 1 I want you to listen. This is where he gets into the post-human apocalypse.
Listen to cut nine.

Speaker 1 I asked him about the golden age. It's coming.
What does it mean?

Speaker 3 So the events that led to the destruction of the old world are going to be repeated to some degree at the end of the age. We are living at the end of the age.
And

Speaker 3 this phenomenon of

Speaker 3 the gods commingling themselves with the offspring of

Speaker 3 the daughters of men and this idea of hybrid beings and everything that was done in the antediluvian world, the corruption of all flesh,

Speaker 3 I think is, again, going to be repeated to some extent, not exactly in the same way.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 when I set out to write my book, Birthright,

Speaker 3 it was prompted by a question that

Speaker 3 I had been ruminating on for a while. And the question is simply this.

Speaker 3 And this question, by the way, is a question that is unique to our times

Speaker 3 and has not really been something that earlier generations have had to contemplate. But

Speaker 3 we have to contend with this question right now. It's simply this.

Speaker 3 What does it mean to be a human being? And is our humanity worth preserving?

Speaker 3 That is the most imperative question that we can ask. Those are the most imperative questions that we can ask today.

Speaker 3 And because we are on the cusp of, we are on the brink of what I describe as a post-human apocalypse. And

Speaker 3 we are advancing at an alarming pace toward the end of humanity as we know it. And

Speaker 3 this is not alarmism. This is not hyperbole.
This is exactly what the futurists and the technologists are saying. You have, of course,

Speaker 3 you have

Speaker 1 Harari as well.

Speaker 1 Ray Curtis.

Speaker 1 He's worse.

Speaker 3 That's right.

Speaker 3 Harari, you have these different futurists out there who are predicting the end of humanity in the next hundred years.

Speaker 3 There will be no, in the next 100 to 130 years, there will be no more human beings left on planet Earth.

Speaker 1 Well, what do they mean?

Speaker 3 It's because

Speaker 3 we are, in some sense, building the mechanism of our own destruction right now. We are creating the tools

Speaker 3 that are going to enable us to redefine human biology,

Speaker 3 to remake Adam. And really what it amounts to is to

Speaker 3 become something other than Adam. This is called post-human.

Speaker 1 And where we are right now. You're talking specifically about transhumanism.

Speaker 3 That's precisely what I was about to say.

Speaker 1 Emerging man and machine.

Speaker 3 That's exactly right. We're over here.
We're still human. We're going to a post-human condition.
Again, what I refer to as a post-human apocalypse.

Speaker 3 And the transitional period between this is called trans-human. And that's precisely why it's called trans-humanism, because it's a transition.
The term

Speaker 3 indicates a transition. It's transitory from human to post-human.
So we're human right now, but in the future, we are going to become something other than human.

Speaker 1 He goes into discussing the spiritual ramifications. He's talking about the end of the age and the last end of the age when all flesh was corrupted.
He's talking about Noah.

Speaker 1 Why did God want to destroy everybody? Like everything was destroyed, right?

Speaker 1 Noah said, I mean, God said, no, there's nothing besides you, nothing that can live.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 His theory

Speaker 1 from the book of Enoch, beginning in the book of Genesis, going to 2 Peter, everything else,

Speaker 1 is if it's correct,

Speaker 1 he's absolutely 100% right that we're about to repeat

Speaker 1 this whole scenario, that

Speaker 1 we mingled with something

Speaker 1 that was not human, and it corrupted us. And

Speaker 1 his point is, if you start corrupting your body,

Speaker 1 and upgrading your body through AI, through robotics.

Speaker 1 He's like, it's not a problem if you are, if your gene splicing, there's a gene that you have and it's gone haywire, and you're taking another human gene or pieces of it and you're splicing it into you so you have it corrected, that's human to human.

Speaker 1 That's fine. But the minute you start taking something non-human and putting it into your body and it is an upgrade to your body, in other words, the AI system,

Speaker 1 he said, you become

Speaker 1 you become something other than human and you lose your birthright.

Speaker 1 Christ came to save humans,

Speaker 1 and he's saying that

Speaker 1 you lose your birthright of salvation.

Speaker 1 This,

Speaker 1 to me, and I asked him about this, I said, you know what, something just made sense to me on this.

Speaker 1 Why is it in the book of Revelation, once you accept the mark of the beast, there's no going back. There's no,

Speaker 1 he's not sorting anybody out after that. You accepted the mark of the beast, that's it.
A lot of people we know are going to be fooled by the mark of the beast.

Speaker 2 How come there's no conversation about that afterwards?

Speaker 1 There's nothing. There's nothing.
Lord, I am so sorry. I really thought I was on the right side for a long time and then I tried, but I couldn't get this off, whatever it is.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Why is there no salvation? Why is there no going back? He said, because you have edited your humanity. You have lost your humanity.
You have upgraded into something else and you can't take it back.

Speaker 1 So it's not necessarily a punishment that there's no salvation for you. It's just the way it is.
You've changed the basic makeup of who Christ came to save.

Speaker 1 It's an amazing thing. I don't know if it's right, but it is so worth listening to.
It is really an amazing theory.

Speaker 1 And I invite you to listen to it. It's the podcast, Timothy Alberino.
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Speaker 1 Kind of an

Speaker 1 interesting place to go.

Speaker 1 It just makes so much sense to me. Let me play cut one.

Speaker 1 Here is an AI company building bots of your dead family members. Listen to this.

Speaker 1 He's getting bigger. See? Oh,

Speaker 1 that's wonderful. Kicking like crazy.
He's listening. Put your hand on your tummy and hum to him.
You used to love that.

Speaker 1 Hi, Grandma. Hey, Charlie.
How was school today? It was really fun. I'm in this crazy shot in basketball.
I don't really care that much about basketball. What about the crush?

Speaker 1 Stop, grandma, stop, talk. Just tell me one thing.

Speaker 2 Look who's gonna be a great grandmother.

Speaker 1 Oh, Charlie. Oh,

Speaker 1 congratulations. She says that he's been kicking a lot, though.

Speaker 2 Like, a little too much.

Speaker 1 Tell her to put her hand on her tummy and hum to him. You loved that.

Speaker 1 You would have loved this moment.

Speaker 1 You can call anytime.

Speaker 1 Before Charlie.

Speaker 1 Okay, mom, I just need a quick video. Is this like an audition or something? No, mom.
Just three minutes. You need my best side? Can I see another one?

Speaker 1 I can play the piano. Are you so talented? I am.
I'm absolutely. I'm your mother after all.

Speaker 1 Keep going.

Speaker 1 Start

Speaker 1 by telling us a little bit about yourself? Take three minutes that will last.

Speaker 1 Shows at the end, it shows the real mother

Speaker 1 being captured by AI

Speaker 1 into,

Speaker 1 you know, into like a camera, you know, just the phone, and capturing her. And then, you know, tell me three minutes about yourself.
And then you get a lifetime of grandma.

Speaker 1 Do you remember the story, that short story that I wrote years ago for Black Mirror? It was this. This is the beginning of it.
You remember that? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 This was the beginning of it.

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Speaker 1 I'm going to bring this up.

Speaker 1 Tucker did a podcast yesterday that I listened to, or a couple of days ago, whenever it came out, I listened to it yesterday. And

Speaker 1 the reason why I listened to it is because so many friends were like, he's talking about Dietrich Bonhoff or Glenn.

Speaker 1 And I don't want to get in. I'm not going to talk about personalities.
I just want to talk about facts.

Speaker 1 You draw your own conclusion about who you listen to, and you can listen to them or not listen to them. That's fine.
But let's make sure we correct facts and not make it about personalities. Okay.

Speaker 1 Dietrich Bonhoeffer is one of my heroes. Dietrich Bonhoeffer is one of the greatest men to ever live.
Dietrich Bonhoeffer is a Christian pastor. And let me set it up this way.
When the Third Reich

Speaker 1 grew

Speaker 1 and the Weimar Republic collapsed,

Speaker 1 there was this

Speaker 1 movement in Christianity that happened quickly.

Speaker 1 Within the first year of the end of the Weimar and the beginning of the Nazi regime, within a year, 60% of the churches ridded themselves of everything Jewish.

Speaker 1 Now, that's hard to do when your main hero figure is a Jew

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 the entire history that said, hey, he's coming is also written by Jews.

Speaker 1 It's the Old Testament. And by the way, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, they were Jews too.

Speaker 1 So it's hard to rinse the Jew out of the Judeo-Christian world, but somehow or another they did it. 60%.

Speaker 1 They'd gotten rid of, including many churches already had gone for it and gotten rid of the Old Testament. That is something that Hitler's people were really pushing for.
Get rid of the Old Testament.

Speaker 1 Well, you'll have nothing left if you don't have the Old Testament with the New Testament.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 the world had gone insane. The Christian world had gone insane.
Within six months,

Speaker 1 many, if not most, of the churches had replaced the picture of Christ on the altar with a picture of Adolf Hitler.

Speaker 1 So he changed the fabric of Christianity entirely.

Speaker 1 And he was going after any pastor, priest, anybody who was preaching something different.

Speaker 1 There were a couple of pastors. One played along with it at first, Pastor Neemoller.

Speaker 1 And he's like the first, they came for this, and I didn't say anything, and then they came for this.

Speaker 1 He didn't say anything at first.

Speaker 1 Then he got it, and he's like, oh, I shouldn't do it. But he was praised in the end for his unwavering faith.
He actually stood.

Speaker 1 And he actually, he was one of the guys who who preached that the Nazis were not to blame alone. They played their role.

Speaker 1 But may I quote, would the Nazis have been able to do what they had done if church members had been truly faithful Christians? The answer is no.

Speaker 1 Truly faithful.

Speaker 1 Now, Tucker said yesterday that he doesn't think that Bonhoeffer was, I don't remember the exact lines. I'll probably get it wrong.
Do we have it? Okay, go ahead and play it.

Speaker 1 Because once you start calling people Nazis, we really have no choice but to start shooting them

Speaker 1 to be dietrich bonhoef and sort of reach the end of reason or even christianity bonhoefer decided christianity is not even he was a lutheran pastor christianity is not enough we have to kill the guy not judging bonhoefer who was a great man in some ways but

Speaker 1 many ways that's inevitable once we decide that people are nazis okay so his point here he's making about you know we got to stop calling people nazis and he's absolutely right on it you got to stop talking about people calling people nazis or shooting begins Exactly right.

Speaker 1 Unless they are actual Nazis. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 I mean, there's a difference between saying, hey, we should not call people Nazis who are not Nazis and Dietrich Bonhoeffer shouldn't have called Hitler a Nazi. He was the Nazi.

Speaker 1 I mean, he's like, he's the idyllic Nazi. He's the king of all Nazis.
He's a Nazi. So when it is a Nazi, I think you can call people Nazis.
But yeah, that does require you then to make a choice.

Speaker 1 And that's where Bonhoeffer found himself. This guy was an amazing man.
He was a pacifist. He did not believe in war.
He did not believe in killing.

Speaker 1 And that's how he skated for a long time because he was saying, quiet, quiet, quiet. Nope, nope, nope.
Do not involve yourself in this. God does not want us to kill each other.
He was a huge pacifist.

Speaker 1 His story goes back and forth. You've got to read the Bonhoeffer book if you haven't read it by Eric Metaxas.
But he goes back and forth. He comes to the United States.

Speaker 1 He sees faith in action actually in Harlem and kind of has this renewed kind of

Speaker 1 faith experience. He goes back to Germany.
He's there for a while. He knows now that Hitler is, because he's helping Jews escape.
And he knows Hitler is on him. And

Speaker 1 he's closing in on him. He's going to get him.
He leaves. He comes to the United States.
He's here, and he starts feeling guilty. He's like, I can't leave my own country.
I mean, I got to stand.

Speaker 1 I can't leave and hide. I've got to stand.
So he goes back to Germany, I think on the last boat that is going into Germany.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 he gets to Germany and

Speaker 1 he starts plotting Valkyrie. He's part of Project Valkyrie.

Speaker 1 Valkyrie is the Tom Cruise movie that you've seen,

Speaker 1 von Stauffenberg, a huge German hero,

Speaker 1 who was not a Nazi, but he was a German soldier who decided, well, this has got to stop. And they planned with a lot of people who said, we got to stop Hitler because look what he's doing.

Speaker 1 He's destroying everything and he's killing millions and it's got to stop. And Bonhoeffer, when he got back,

Speaker 1 he was wrestling with his pacifism because he was a pacifist, a strong one. And he really believed that God said, no, no fighting, no war, nothing.
You're not allowed to kill.

Speaker 1 But the evil that he saw was so overwhelming that he started

Speaker 1 questioning everything he believed. And

Speaker 1 in his class, because he was teaching these young pastors coming up, in his class, he started saying things to the class members. So

Speaker 1 if a pacifist saw

Speaker 1 something that was so evil, you needed to stop it, would it be okay?

Speaker 1 And then they would argue. And the class didn't have any idea.
He was working it out with the class in his own head. He's working out, how do I work this? How can I, am I a Christian if I do this?

Speaker 1 He got to the point to where he was even saying, so if you knew of a pacifist that you really respected and they did get involved in that, would you still be their friend?

Speaker 1 Would you still respect them? Are they still Christians? Okay. He's looking to work this out and he struggled with it.

Speaker 1 Hitler

Speaker 1 grabs him, puts him in prison. He's in prison for a long time.

Speaker 1 And the only reason why he survived as long as he did is he came from a very famous family.

Speaker 1 And so Hitler really didn't feel he had the juice to kill him without causing all kinds of other problems. So he let him skate for a little while, but he was in prison.

Speaker 1 And he wrote some beautiful stuff. One of the most beautiful

Speaker 1 homilies on marriage that I've ever read is from him.

Speaker 1 He was a guy who didn't get married, he was going to get married, but knew what was going to happen to him, so he didn't want to endanger her, so he didn't get married.

Speaker 1 So he didn't know anything about marriage,

Speaker 1 except what he had read and what he had thought about and what he had read in scriptures. And he writes this beautiful homily because he's supposed to give the sermon at his sister's wedding.

Speaker 1 The Nazis won't let him out to do that, and so he writes it and it's read at

Speaker 1 her wedding. And it is absolutely beautiful.

Speaker 1 And deep, deep, deep. He's in prison for a while.

Speaker 1 He's now, it's coming up to April 1945. Hitler dies in April 1945.

Speaker 1 And everything's falling apart. And so the Nazis start kind of cleaning up the death camps and they start transferring people.

Speaker 1 And Bonhoeffer is supposed to be let free. And he gets onto this bus, you know, driven by the Nazis, and he's being transferred to where he will be released.

Speaker 1 Well, on the way, the tire goes out, and they don't have a spare. And so they're sitting on the edge of the road, and they got all these prisoners, and

Speaker 1 this other bus is coming the other direction, and they're like, hey, where are you going? And they say, well, we're going to this camp. Great.
Would you just take these prisoners with you?

Speaker 1 Here's the paperwork and everything else. Here's the prisoners.
You just take them with you.

Speaker 1 So all the prisoners that were there, including Bonhoeffer, who was supposed to be released, go to this other death camp.

Speaker 1 And now he's sitting there on this death camp and waiting for death,

Speaker 1 not supposed to be.

Speaker 1 And in that,

Speaker 1 he is preaching Christ to the guy who did all of the experiments on the Jews, you know, freezing them, bringing them up. in a high altitude until their heads pop, all the horrible experiments.

Speaker 1 Everything that is now in every hospital in the world, the book about hypothermia and everything else,

Speaker 1 it's

Speaker 1 the number one book on what the human body can do and how you fix things. Number one, it's in every hospital.
Every doctor has it. That was written by that Nazi.

Speaker 1 He released it without Hitler's permission because he thought it was such a gift to the world. And he went to prison because Hitler said, we're not trying to save the world.

Speaker 1 We're saving German soldiers. Puts him in prison.
The guy is a vile guy, as you can imagine. He's in with, I think, a French spy, this woman, she was a double agent.

Speaker 1 And so they're in with this cell with Dietrich Bonhoeffer. And he's preaching to them.
And they're just vile with each other in front of him. Keeps his cool, keeps who he is.

Speaker 1 Comes up to a couple of weeks before Hitler is going to kill himself. And they come and they're going to execute everybody in that cell.
And so they go out.

Speaker 1 And the only reason why we know how Dietrich Bonhoeffer died and when he died is because of the way he acted. He went out, they took him out to the woods and they had built a hanging platform.

Speaker 1 And one by one, they brought him up, put the noose around their neck, trapdoor, they died. Cut him down, next one, bring him up, put the noose around their neck, trapdoor opens, they die.

Speaker 1 Bonhoeffer, when he comes up, he comes up to the platform and the guy who's putting the noose around his neck, he says something like, thank you for your kindness. Okay.
And the guy is like, what?

Speaker 1 Everybody else is freaking out. Everybody else is, you know, and he says, thank you for your kindness.

Speaker 1 He tightens the noose, pulls the trapdoor, dead.

Speaker 1 He remembers

Speaker 1 that one guy and remembers that was Dietrich Bonhoeffer.

Speaker 1 I don't know if he knew who Dietrich Bonhoeffer was at the time, but he knew him because of that thank you. He died like a very valiant man.

Speaker 1 In a way, I don't know if I could.

Speaker 1 What is the difference between

Speaker 1 when you confront evil, when you see evil? I mean, Dietrich Bonhoeffer is the guy who said, silence in the face of evil is evil itself. God will not hold us blameless.
Not to act is to act. Okay.

Speaker 1 That comes from a deep, deep spiritual place.

Speaker 1 What is the difference between that and Thomas Jefferson saying rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God?

Speaker 1 Do you as a Christian have a responsibility

Speaker 1 to kill Hitler if you had the opportunity with not baby Hitler, baby Hitler hasn't committed any crime,

Speaker 1 you're seeing this death machine and you've tried everything you can to stop it. Do you have a responsibility as a Christian to stop the evil?

Speaker 1 I think you do. I think silence in the face of evil is evil itself.
Not to act is to act.

Speaker 1 You know,

Speaker 1 for evil to happen,

Speaker 1 it'll happen when good men do nothing. We know that.
We have a responsibility to act. But we have a responsibility to do everything Christ-like that we can first.

Speaker 1 But you get into this place to where, you know, woe unto those who call evil good and good evil.

Speaker 1 Everybody starts to confuse the language, right? And that's what's happening right now. Everybody's calling everybody a fascist or Hitler.
Everybody calls everybody a Nazi.

Speaker 1 And so there's no meaning on words. We can't forget what words actually mean, or we will wind up calling good evil and evil good.
That's what happened to so many Christians. They did nothing.

Speaker 1 They just went along with it. They just played along.
And then it became them.

Speaker 1 Dietrich Bonhoeffer was a great,

Speaker 1 great man,

Speaker 1 a Christian giant and a man who fought real evil and wrestled with it

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Speaker 1 It's like saying Woodrow Wilson. Yes.
You say Woodrow Wilson. Yeah.

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And you're like, God, why did you say Woodrow Wilson? Did you not know?

Speaker 2 Stop saying things to Glenn like that, like Edward Bernays. And then it's like, oh, there's a rat.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You want to go to the window? No, I didn't mean to bring it up.
I know.

Speaker 2 It's true. It's funny, though, because you have, I mean,

Speaker 2 you're the guy I first heard about Bonhoeffer from. I don't think I even knew the story at all.
I mean, I know Eric wrote the book, and you talked to him quite a bit about it at the time.

Speaker 1 Eric was writing the book. I didn't know about Dietrich Bonhoeffer.
And he sent over to my office this giant picture. of Dietrich Bonhoeffer.
He made it into a poster just for me.

Speaker 1 I think you've seen it. It's the cover of the book.

Speaker 1 He made it into a giant poster, except instead of the name of the book, it just said, silence in the face of evil is evil itself. Not to act is to act.
Call me, Eric Metaxas.

Speaker 1 And I got this and I said, who is this? And he told me the story of, and he said, I'm writing a biography on him right now.

Speaker 1 I couldn't wait for the book. I did all kinds of research, talked to him.
I started talking about him. And then when the book came out, it became a bestseller because.

Speaker 1 Yes, that's right. I had another Dietrich Bonhoeffer moment.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And America was ready to hear about it.
I take all the credit for that, Eric. Take all the credit.
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I think you're supposed to call everybody that you disagree with names and

Speaker 2 kind of send them to hell.

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Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 2 I think that's the way you're supposed to do it.

Speaker 1 I think that's the way it is. Aren't you tired of that? I am.

Speaker 2 And there's a lot of back and forth on the right right now. Like,

Speaker 2 I always found, and this is something we've talked about going back a million years doing this show, in that in some ways, the most interesting stuff I think conservative media can do is to go back and forth on issues where conservatives disagree a little bit.

Speaker 2 And I think that's a really healthy thing for a movement to be involved in.

Speaker 2 And I also think it's sometimes the most interesting stuff because it's really easy for us to do shows every day telling you that Nancy Pelosi sucks. She does.

Speaker 2 It's really easy for me to come on the air, and I love doing this, to come on the air and make fun of Jasmine Crockett for three hours.

Speaker 1 I say she should be the Democratic nominee. 100%.

Speaker 2 I'm not making fun of her.

Speaker 1 I love her.

Speaker 2 I should say.

Speaker 2 I want her to run for office everywhere, all the time.

Speaker 1 I think she should be the candidate for every office. Absolutely.

Speaker 2 And all that stuff, I think, is really important because if you never do it, which it seems like that seems to be the current current path of the right for some reason, you never criticize anyone on the left anymore.

Speaker 2 All we do is criticize each other. But like, if you never do that stuff,

Speaker 2 people will forget it. Like, you have to be able to talk about the opposite side.

Speaker 2 But sometimes the most intricate, interesting stuff, the nuanced stuff, is going to be about dissecting our own side and saying, hey, like, we're going down this road. I think that might be wrong.

Speaker 2 And what about this road? That might be wrong. And let's say, you know, this is way too far or whatever that is.
That's been something that's happened in every movement forever.

Speaker 2 And I think is normal and natural and should occur. How it should occur is something we should spend more time on.

Speaker 2 I think what you were talking about there, like you, Tucker mentioned Dietrich Bonhoeffer. It wasn't his, I don't think, his main point of his show.

Speaker 1 No, it wasn't.

Speaker 2 He wasn't. But it was something that was able to set you off on something that you care about and that you and somebody could easily talk about.

Speaker 1 But I think it's important. And I would, you know, if Tucker were sitting here, I would say, you know what? Listen to it.
I think you got this wrong.

Speaker 1 Here's the story that maybe you don't know.

Speaker 1 And that's the kind of conversations that we have to have. That doesn't mean that you excuse people, you know, if they're like, like, I hate this thing.
Oh, the right's tearing itself apart.

Speaker 1 It's, it's, it's shooting its own, you know, with people who are saying that, you know, Hitler was neat.

Speaker 1 No, excuse me. They were never in my tent.

Speaker 1 And if I was ever in that tent, I want out of that tent.

Speaker 1 There's no, that's not my side.

Speaker 2 Or how about even maybe even more clear to the world? Stalin was great.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Stalin was

Speaker 2 the communist? I'm supposed to have something in association with this person who likes Stalin.

Speaker 1 Look,

Speaker 2 there is a struggle in every movement to say, hey, this is part of our group and this is not part of our group.

Speaker 2 And there are lines to that, I think.

Speaker 2 Or the group means nothing, right?

Speaker 1 Here's one again that I disagreed with Tucker on. In that same podcast, he was talking about how we sided with Joseph Stalin to win how you've become everything you despise to beat Hitler.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we did. And it's easy to say that now,

Speaker 1 knowing in hindsight exactly how everything played out. It led to the Cold War, et cetera, et cetera.
Sure. And I don't ever want to be in that, I don't believe in the enemy of my enemy as my friend.

Speaker 1 I think that causes all kinds of problems.

Speaker 1 Because, you know, your enemy will eventually, once you've gotten rid of the other other enemy, that enemy now looks at you and goes, I gotcha.

Speaker 1 I'm going to kill you now. And so it becomes exactly what it was.
But

Speaker 2 that's not an easy thing to talk about.

Speaker 1 These things need to...

Speaker 1 You can't just go in and say, you know what? We're bad because we sided with, and I'm not saying he did this, but we're bad because we sided in the end with Stalin. And look at what that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, okay, but let's have a really, these are nuanced, long conversations that are deeply philosophical. It's not just, you know what, you're a Nazi.
It's not that. It's not that.
And by the way.

Speaker 1 And you have to have those.

Speaker 2 What's fascinating about it is all of these things, all these conversations occurred at the time as well. I mean, people in the U.S.

Speaker 2 government were very well aware that there were risks about siding with Stalin. They believed the risks outweighed the negatives at the time.
The negatives were the literal Nazis.

Speaker 2 So it was a really powerful argument. You know,

Speaker 2 it was something that was really well considered. And it's important to keep looking at this and examining it and having these conversations.
I think

Speaker 2 I just feel like the way the right is having those conversations, particularly online, is not helpful. I don't think that

Speaker 2 not only is it not get us across any beneficial line

Speaker 2 for the right, it's also giving the left everything they want.

Speaker 1 Everything they they want.

Speaker 2 I hate that. I hate giving the left everything they want.

Speaker 1 So I would just rather be the people who have dialogue and who argue things out rationally and reasonably and say, you know what, that's a good point.

Speaker 1 I don't think I agree with that, but okay, I see, you know, can I ask you some questions on how you got there and how come that matters here, but not over here to you?

Speaker 1 Or maybe it does and you just didn't say it. That's the kind of stuff that we should be talking about.
And when people are clearly wrong, you know, Stalin was not a good guy.

Speaker 1 No, really? Mao was not a good guy. Hitler was not a good guy.

Speaker 2 These aren't borderline issues.

Speaker 1 They're not borderline.

Speaker 2 And like, you know, look,

Speaker 2 at times, movements have struggles with where their lines are. And to me,

Speaker 2 that is healthy.

Speaker 2 To me, there's no question that someone

Speaker 2 who loves, who's a big fan of Joseph Stalin is not in my group. That being said, if it is in that group, then I have it.
It's not in that group anymore. And that's okay, too.

Speaker 2 Like, I don't need groups.

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 2 I'm not, like, that obsessed with it. I'm just going to believe what I believe is right.
And, you know, I'm going to do my best to be,

Speaker 2 you know, when I talk to someone, and I have, I have conversations with people. I think we all do.
Where they, you know, I have a

Speaker 2 friend of a friend who has, you know, beliefs that are,

Speaker 2 claims to be on the right as a conservative, and I would say probably agree with on a lot of things, but has some beliefs that strain off into

Speaker 2 what I would call like completely nuts territory. And, you know, you talk to that person about it.
You can be a jerk. You can say you're a moron.
You can call them all names.

Speaker 1 It's not going to happen.

Speaker 2 There's no, A, I'm going to not have any relationship with that person anymore.

Speaker 2 And B, it's not going to convince them. It's going to have them dig in.
I feel like a lot of the stuff you're seeing on the back and forth now is people taking these sort of stances,

Speaker 2 stances publicly for them right it's not about trying to persuade other people or try to bring people who you've always agreed with maybe back into the fold a little bit more people you maybe don't think you've lost it's more about like hey i'm going to make this really proud stand because i'm a good person i'm going to i'm going to be this is my prius i'm going to show everyone that i'm better i'm morally uh oh better than everybody else and look there are times for that i think quite clearly there are times for that when you need to just stand up and say, look, there are lines.

Speaker 2 This is absolutely over the line to me.

Speaker 2 But like, I don't know.

Speaker 2 That should be, it's like impeachment. It's like, it should be something that really, it shouldn't just be like, I disagree with this person, this president on something.
Let's impeach him.

Speaker 2 It should be something pretty big. And sometimes it is.
And this might be the case to you, and that's fine. But like.

Speaker 2 The way you do it, what your goal actually is,

Speaker 2 these things I think are important for people to think about right now. The way you talked about this issue with Bonhoeffer, I thought was a good example of like, you know,

Speaker 2 you're not saying like, oh, well, actually, I'm not a big Bonhoeffer fan. You're not changing your view.
You love Bonhoeffer. He's a hero to you.
But you don't have to like...

Speaker 1 I don't have to take Tucker Carlson down to

Speaker 1 explain who Dietrich Bonhoeffer really was. No, you just say, hey,

Speaker 2 we have a slight disagreement on part of this, and let's talk that stuff out. I think that's generally a good thing.

Speaker 1 It's the only way a country moves forward.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and the movement

Speaker 1 moves forward as well.

Speaker 2 Those discussions need to occur. How they occur is crucial when you talk about keeping people together.
And I don't know.

Speaker 2 This is not something that was given to us as in the conservative movement is not something that is the natural state of things.

Speaker 2 For a long time, there wasn't one that had any success. And

Speaker 2 whatever versions of conservatism existed, it was constantly stamped down. It became a big thing for a long time, and it's not necessarily going to last forever.

Speaker 1 Let me give you something. Let me give you a triple of something.

Speaker 1 So there's the news.

Speaker 1 Whitney Webb is viral today. We talked about it last hour.

Speaker 1 And she's saying that she feels it can be said now with credibility that

Speaker 1 Epstein was a double agent for the Israelis and the Americans. I don't find that controversial.
I find that pretty logical that that's well it's certainly controversial because it's not known.

Speaker 2 I'm not saying

Speaker 1 that it doesn't the idea of that, the

Speaker 1 suggestion of that is not out of the, it seems like a logical conclusion that logical people could come to. But now let's back it up with facts.

Speaker 1 Now, I'm not talking about Whitney because she's usually backed up by more facts than anybody else comes. She comes with a machine gun at a knife fight.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 here's where that story came from. This is where it was one of the places it originally dropped.
It came from

Speaker 1 Drop News, the Drop Sight News.

Speaker 1 Drop site to News.

Speaker 1 Drop Sight News. I'm not familiar with it.

Speaker 1 It's an anti-Israel news startup. Okay.
Reader-supported, completely independent journalism. That's what they say.

Speaker 1 However, there's another story story that is out today that shows now that George Soros gave a quarter of a million dollars to Dropsite News to establish it, to get it going.

Speaker 1 Now, that doesn't mean that the story that they printed is wrong.

Speaker 1 I don't know about that story. You know what I mean? I don't know.
It doesn't,

Speaker 1 this is what we have to stop.

Speaker 1 We have to be very careful that one thing being true does not mean that, you know, if A is true, it doesn't mean that

Speaker 1 B, C, D, and E, and F are also true.

Speaker 1 They are not necessarily related. They can all kind of fit into the same story, but that doesn't mean that

Speaker 1 they each have to stay and be able to stand on their own two legs. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 And what we're doing is we're taking one thing and another thing, and then we're saying, everything in between here is exactly right.

Speaker 1 It was wrong for us to get in bed with Stalin,

Speaker 1 so therefore,

Speaker 1 we're the evil ones.

Speaker 1 No, that's not necessarily the conclusion.

Speaker 1 You're missing all of the nuance in there,

Speaker 1 and that is the thing that we have to be really careful of.

Speaker 1 That's the thing that will turn all of us into really

Speaker 1 people

Speaker 1 unable to save our nation. We have to be logical, calm, stop trying to chase everybody out.
Just try to understand them. Call them when you know, know

Speaker 1 it is true. I know Hitler was a bad guy, period.
And I also found out today, pretty sure he had a micro penis. Okay.
I don't know if you saw that news. It came out today.

Speaker 1 I don't know why it came out today. Don't know.
It didn't. I feel like that's been out for a while.
Yeah, news I didn't need to know, but okay. It's a fact.

Speaker 1 It's a fact now.

Speaker 1 When you get to facts, you just leave the facts, but it doesn't mean that it makes everything else in the chain

Speaker 1 a fact.

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Speaker 1 Let me say one more thing on this

Speaker 1 and then we'll leave it alone for the day. But, you know, Stu and I were just talking off air.
And,

Speaker 1 you know, he said, look, there are lines and I think there are people that are too far gone.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I immediately said, I agree.

Speaker 1 And then I thought, wait, wait, wait a minute, wait a minute. The Westboro Baptist Church people.

Speaker 1 I mean, we know what their signs say.

Speaker 2 It's pretty far.

Speaker 1 It's pretty far.

Speaker 1 I have nothing in common with any of those guys. Are they too far gone?

Speaker 1 I just want to say that because I want to remind you that two of those people, one of them was the leader's daughter,

Speaker 1 got out of that cult

Speaker 1 because people were kind to them and just said, hey, I just want to talk to you about this.

Speaker 1 I'm not listening because you're going to plan all kinds of, I just want to ask you some questions and befriended them and asked them questions. Well, how does that fit with this?

Speaker 1 And then this with this.

Speaker 1 And by doing that,

Speaker 1 you open people's minds and they also realize, oh, wow,

Speaker 1 you're not the problem. You're not what I've been saying you are.

Speaker 1 You're actually a reasonable person.

Speaker 1 Maybe I am on the wrong track.

Speaker 1 I think it is, blessed be the peacemakers. I think that is why, that's just my message today.
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Draw lines, be clear,

Speaker 1 but be a peacemaker everywhere you can. You will turn more hearts and save more by doing it that way.

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Speaker 1 So, Stu.

Speaker 1 Why wouldn't you want a digital ID issued by the state?

Speaker 1 Why wouldn't I want to? Yeah, why wouldn't you want to? Gosh, I can't think of any reasons.

Speaker 2 It sounds like it would make everything so much easier.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 2 You know, you can always trust the government to have your best interests at heart,

Speaker 2 unlike these corporations.

Speaker 2 And,

Speaker 2 you know,

Speaker 2 so I think I would take one immediately. But are there some people that are resisting this? I can't even imagine.

Speaker 1 Well, there's some that say that, you know, this is the beginning of an all-seeing, all-knowing state. And the next thing you know, they control everything.

Speaker 1 It is weird, too, because

Speaker 2 is that even speculation? Like, isn't this what, like, for example, China is already doing?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, China is already doing

Speaker 1 it. And Europe, they're trying to get it in, and they talk about it openly that this is what it is.
The next thing, you get the digital ID is the first thing. Then it includes your medical records.

Speaker 1 It includes all your health, everything.

Speaker 1 It will give you access to the hospitals or not access to the hospitals.

Speaker 1 It will allow you to buy things or not buy things. It'll allow you to access online or not access online.
It is control of absolutely everything and that's in the design and they talk about it openly.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 We're backdooring it.

Speaker 1 We're not, because they know Americans are not going to go for that. Really?

Speaker 1 Did you meet us during COVID?

Speaker 1 And they've been trying to, remember, that's what a lot of people said COVID really, the real thing on COVID was really all about, was digital ID. We got to get everybody onto a digital ID.

Speaker 1 Now,

Speaker 1 because Americans aren't for it, the good, good, good, good, good, good people at Apple are here for you presenting the new Apple digital ID.

Speaker 1 Now, at the TSA checkpoints in more than 250 airports all across the

Speaker 1 U.S., you can present present your digital ID at

Speaker 1 TSA checkpoints and get right onto that plane. Imagine it allows you to create and store an ID in an Apple wallet using your US passport.

Speaker 1 The Apple digital ID acceptance will begin to roll out at TSA checkpoints for domestic travel in over 250 airports across the

Speaker 1 USA. Apple notes, it's not a replacement for your physical passport, and you can't use it yet for international travel or border crossings.
But you can store everything

Speaker 1 digitally in their wallet. I can already pay for almost everything with that wallet.
Now I can use it as an official government ID.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Who doesn't want that? I mean, I...

Speaker 2 It does sort of sound appealing, doesn't it? I mean, just speaking frankly for a moment,

Speaker 2 it does.

Speaker 1 Very appealing.

Speaker 2 When I get on a plane, you know, I'm using that as my key.

Speaker 2 You know,

Speaker 2 you have cars now where your phone is your key.

Speaker 2 You can store all sorts of credit cards. You can pay through the phone.
I mean, what's the argument to the average person that this is some bad thing? I have to carry this in my wallet anyway.

Speaker 2 I'm carrying my phone instead.

Speaker 1 I'd love that. I'd love that if it was completely isolated on my phone, now Apple's pretty good with security, actually.
They are. They are legitimately good with security.
They're the best. They are.

Speaker 1 No, I know. I mean that sincerely.

Speaker 2 They're saying it with a sarcastic.

Speaker 1 Because what does the best mean? What does the best mean?

Speaker 2 It's a relative turn.

Speaker 1 It's a relative turn, but they are the best at digital at security.

Speaker 2 As opposed to some of their competitors.

Speaker 1 Right. And

Speaker 1 I have to tell you: when you start

Speaker 1 putting everything,

Speaker 1 all records, all passports, all, it is your one universal key, and it's tied directly to online,

Speaker 1 where it's tracking everything, everywhere you go, every dollar you spent. This is just a very bad idea.
Very bad idea. There's a story, I can't remember.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 it's called the book of Revelation.

Speaker 1 I mean, how much clearer do you have to be where you can't go anywhere,

Speaker 1 you can't buy anything unless you have the mark? Well, I'm not saying Apple is coming up with the mark of the beast, but this is the technology that sure kind of fits it. And I just don't.

Speaker 1 Do you know why the Germans could round up so many Jews every night?

Speaker 1 IBM.

Speaker 2 IBM. That's a book, right? IBM and the

Speaker 1 IBM came up with the punch card system. You remember when I was a kid?

Speaker 1 I don't know if anybody else remembers this, but these computers were the size of rooms and you had punch cards and you would feed it in and it would store the information on the punch card.

Speaker 1 And so you could ask it anything on a punch card, you'd type it out and it would punch out whatever and you'd feed it in the computer and it would feed out another punch card and then you'd translate it.

Speaker 1 They put everything onto these punch cards, where everybody lived, who was related to whom, et cetera, et cetera. So they could go in the afternoon and go, we got to clear out another 20,000.

Speaker 1 Where are they?

Speaker 1 Feed it into IBM, punch card it out, and you round everybody up. Okay.
That was then.

Speaker 1 There wouldn't be a Jew alive on the planet if we had digital IDs.

Speaker 1 Not a chance. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And really, it does sort of.

Speaker 2 rest on your belief we don't cross those lines, right? Yeah, that our government doesn't become Nazi Germany. And

Speaker 1 again,

Speaker 2 everybody who has faced a government like that has thought about, oh, gosh, well, our government won't do this, right? Like, everybody.

Speaker 1 Think of COVID. We were on the air saying, like, in what, February? Can you imagine? Look at what they're doing.
They're welding people into their houses. Yeah, in China.

Speaker 2 I remember in Italy being, because China was China.

Speaker 1 China's China.

Speaker 2 Am I surprised that theylding people into their houses?

Speaker 1 There's no way you could even help us stay in our own houses.

Speaker 2 But when it happened in Italy, I remember being like, oh my, like, that's, we share a lot of

Speaker 1 what I thought, a general understanding.

Speaker 1 It did not happen here.

Speaker 2 I remember thinking it, sitting in the chair I'm sitting in right now,

Speaker 2 thinking, watching the map, you know, on TV of Italy as it got more and more red and circles started popping up all over and they're getting all these cases.

Speaker 2 And I'm thinking to myself, They're actually making people stay in their houses. Can you believe this? Like, I couldn't even comprehend it that they would even ask us to do it in in the United States.

Speaker 2 And then a few weeks later, there we were.

Speaker 1 There we were. There we were.
And some states were better than others. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 And there was never a point where I was not able to leave my house, but there were lots of restrictions on where I could leave.

Speaker 1 I know people that

Speaker 1 were in your house. Yeah.
I know people, not in Texas and other places, could not leave their house, could not go outside, could not go outside, couldn't go for a walk. That was insanity.
Always.

Speaker 1 And, you know, and we just took it. We just took it.
This is already happening.

Speaker 2 We didn't take it, but I know what you're saying.

Speaker 1 In some states, we did.

Speaker 2 Some people did. Some people not only took it, cheered it on and vilified people who wouldn't go along with it.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 2 Though I do think, though, when you look back at the overall arc of that period, when you don't focus on the, you know, the

Speaker 2 very fine details of it, what you get is a society that did say no to it. It took a while, and it did happen in some states and not others.

Speaker 2 We eventually did get to that place, and because of constitutional protections, I think some of that stuff was reversed.

Speaker 2 I'm not saying it's a positive story overall, but I mean, at the end of the day, we didn't turn into Nazi Germany from it.

Speaker 1 But they also didn't have total control over everything. They couldn't just shut your money off.
Right. Okay.

Speaker 1 The difference here, digital ID is the first step to an authoritarian state where they have all control. Doesn't mean you end there.
It just means you've given people that power.

Speaker 1 You don't ever want to give people that power. Ever, ever, ever.
We're not going to use it that way. Tell me one thing that the government has said we're not going to do

Speaker 1 besides balance the budget. Show me one thing they said we're not going to do that they haven't done.

Speaker 2 Lots of positive things they said they're going to do and then didn't.

Speaker 1 And then didn't do them.

Speaker 2 But yeah, you're right.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 2 it is a step down a path that you don't want to walk down.

Speaker 1 Especially when, you know, if we were becoming a more and more healthy republic, if we were becoming a more and more just republic, a more calm republic, a republic that was starting to really realize, you know, I have a real responsibility as a citizen not to burn Minneapolis down.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 I have a real responsibility as somebody in my party says, I think we should behead them. I'm going to stand up and say, no, we shouldn't.

Speaker 1 And I'll lead a campaign to make sure that that person is not, you know, the one that wins that election even if it's my even if it's my running mate

Speaker 1 we're not that nation we're not going in that direction we're going the opposite when you have a nation that is like you know I don't know exactly what's going to happen with the dollar because of everything it's going you don't want to hand them the tool that just says oh by the way you can buy everything now you know with your digital ID and it'll all be centralized and you've already signed up or you have it so we're just giving it now Your dollar is not going to be worth anything soon.

Speaker 1 Just make sure you get the digital ID. You don't want that scenario.
You stay away from those lines.

Speaker 2 We do have to protect those lines. But I will say,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 2 history is littered with examples of people who say they're going to protect those lines. And when convenience rears its head, they choose the convenience.

Speaker 2 I mean, it happens almost every single time, Glenn.

Speaker 2 There's almost no examples of people that will resist these technologies. So

Speaker 1 that is on the freedom-loving side,

Speaker 1 where you're like,

Speaker 1 I'm not going to give my face to anybody, face ID on Apple. We're all doing it.

Speaker 1 On the other side, there's almost no example of

Speaker 1 getting something that can be used to control people

Speaker 1 and having those who are nefarious on either side not not use those things.

Speaker 1 Eventually, they will find a way to use those things.

Speaker 1 Look at the Patriot Act. We all were not, you know what? We're all patriots.
We're all patriots. We all believe in the same thing.

Speaker 2 Maybe a slight simplification of that conversation, but I know it's not.

Speaker 1 But generally speaking, we all just kind of went along with it. And look how out of control it is now.

Speaker 1 Look how out of control our country is on spying on our own citizens. Something 20 years ago,

Speaker 1 we would have marched up to Washington to make sure all of those people were standing in front of a judge and going to jail that week. We don't even recognize it anymore.

Speaker 1 You don't want these tools given.

Speaker 2 We're simultaneously being watched more than ever before. But as you brought up in hour one,

Speaker 2 Thomas Crooks is just on the internet. He's like threatening everybody in government.

Speaker 1 How do I behead this politician? Right.

Speaker 2 And like no one even knows. No one pays attention.

Speaker 1 A search. And our government is like, yeah,

Speaker 1 we couldn't find anything digitally. Wait, wait, he did this.

Speaker 1 How come what is happening? That's why, I mean, in a time when we distrust our government more and more, that's the last thing you do is give them more power and access to everything about you.

Speaker 2 How do you balance this, though, Clinton? Because one of the things, and maybe we could take a, I know we have to take a break here, but maybe you can answer this.

Speaker 2 One of the things I always thought about the most brilliant thing of our founders were understanding human fallibility. Yes.

Speaker 2 Understanding that we weren't going to be perfect and we should set up a system that understood that people have selfish motivations at times and that the system will be able to understand that

Speaker 2 and still be able to deliver a great world.

Speaker 2 This is the situation here. Like, this is why I have no real time for some of the conversations we've had on

Speaker 2 some of the people we've read and talked about who are like, let's just stop AI for five years and

Speaker 2 then let's assess it. Like even Elon Musk has said stuff like this.
And like, I think he's even abandoned that to some degree as he's developing AI himself.

Speaker 2 But like the idea that we're going to slow this down or stop it and have a conversation, people just want it too much. And at some point, we just have to understand they're going to.

Speaker 2 We better live in that world, understand that world, and try to deal with the real world. Because if we just say, okay, well, well, let's just stop, well, that's great.

Speaker 2 You know, who's not going to stop China?

Speaker 2 You know, you know, who's not going to stop like bad actors, hacking groups, all these other things. And

Speaker 2 if we base our solution on, well, let's just not do these things, we're going to wind up losing.

Speaker 2 And I, you know, the digital idea is probably a small part of that conversation, but I think it's part of it.

Speaker 1 People are going to want to, I don't want to bring my wallet.

Speaker 2 So how do we, knowing that people will choose to have this things on these things on their phone, because it's going to be easier, how are we going to then push back against that and stop these things from going down these roads?

Speaker 2 Are there protections we can?

Speaker 1 I'll give you

Speaker 1 what I think the founders would have said.

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Speaker 1 So I think the answer to your question is

Speaker 1 there's no way back.

Speaker 2 Oh, the typical Glenn Beck optimism I should come to expect from this program.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but that is why that's why I get up every day. That's why you get up every day, I think, because

Speaker 1 the only way back is to remember what our founders said. Our founders said, this is wholly inadequate.
This will never work.

Speaker 1 for a people who are not virtuous and religious, who haven't understood they serve something higher than government or themselves. They serve God.

Speaker 1 And that puts a limit and a governor on them and their passions and what they do. If you lose that, you lose virtue.

Speaker 1 You can't have freedom.

Speaker 1 You just can't. Look at how what's happening.
We can't have freedom because everybody's like, I want it my way.

Speaker 1 I have a right, you know. And then they go burn down Minneapolis.
And you're like, wait, you don't have a right to do that.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 you can't stop because half of the country is like, well, that's their right. They were right because

Speaker 1 they were sad one day when they were kids. You're like, what, what?

Speaker 1 So this system does not work.

Speaker 1 We have to go back to the beginning. That's why not

Speaker 1 a

Speaker 1 revival, but only an awakening will work. You notice how many people are talking about God the way they were just a few weeks ago?

Speaker 1 Are we starting to go into the September 11th, September 12th kind of thing where we all found God and we're all like, you know what? That's right.

Speaker 1 And then three weeks later, we're like, yeah, whatever.

Speaker 2 It definitely feels like that's happening.

Speaker 1 Feels like it is, right?

Speaker 1 That is, that's the trouble. That's

Speaker 1 a revival happens from time to time. We had lots of revivals in the, you know, during the progressive era.
All the time, people had revivals.

Speaker 1 What we need is an awakening, which comes after a revival, after people go, oh, God's calling to me. I got to look into that.
Then you look into it.

Speaker 1 And then you don't just go, I got to tell you I'm better than you because Jesus, I love Jesus more than you. Your Jesus isn't as strong as my Jesus.
That gets you nowhere.

Speaker 1 An awakening is when you say,

Speaker 1 Jesus is who I serve. I just want to be more like him.

Speaker 1 How would he deal with this situation, even when people aren't looking? How do I live my life? How do I do my job?

Speaker 1 What do I vote for? What do I look for in a spouse or a president or whatever? That's an awakening. And that's when the country changes.
Other than that, there is no other way back.

Speaker 1 There's no secret sauce.

Speaker 1 There's no politician or party that can fix it. Only an awakening will.
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Speaker 1 Hey, can I ask you for a favor? Would you

Speaker 1 say a prayer for some of my friends like Megan Kelly?

Speaker 1 I have been where they are, and they are, whew, they are under the gun big time. Everything that Megan is saying is being taken out of context by one side or another, and they are surrounding her.

Speaker 1 And, you know, I know her well enough to know nobody's going to beat her down. But just pray for people who do what we do, that we have wisdom, that we

Speaker 1 see the truth, we know the truth, and we have the courage to say the truth. And when we're wrong, we have the courage to say we got it wrong.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 it's getting more and more difficult to do this every day. And I thought it was difficult before.

Speaker 1 But say a prayer, and you don't have to pray for me. I mean, I'd love it, but

Speaker 1 pray for Megan in particular, if you would.

Speaker 1 I've got somebody on who is in just an amazing, amazing, amazing show from Amazon, House of David. If you haven't seen House of David yet, you have to.

Speaker 1 Do you remember when

Speaker 1 biblical movies, I mean, they were good in the 50s and then they got really, really bad. And all through the 70s and 80s and 90s and early 2000s, they were horrible.

Speaker 1 And then all of a sudden they started getting really, really good? This one is amazing. This is as good as the Jesus.
What is the Jesus one, The Chosen?

Speaker 1 It's called House of David. It's on Amazon.
And we have the guy who portrays David, Michael Iskandor, on with us. Michael, how are you?

Speaker 4 I'm good. How are you? What an introduction.
Thank you for that.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's really, I mean, come on. Was there any time that you thought, oh, man, this might, this could, I hope they do it right?

Speaker 1 And then you saw the finished product and you were like, wow, this is good.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I mean, that was,

Speaker 4 you know, I try to still keep my head down and,

Speaker 4 you know, it's not finished till it's finished. And season two is coming out.
But,

Speaker 4 you know, I'm just so glad

Speaker 4 to be hearing the response of how this show is really affecting people.

Speaker 1 So can I talk to you about Goliath? Because Goliath is portrayed really as a giant, not just a big guy. I mean, he's a giant.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 Talk to me about that.

Speaker 4 Well, I'll tell you what. When I first met Martin,

Speaker 4 he's a giant in real life.

Speaker 4 I went to the gym with him one time, and

Speaker 4 I knew I'm going to go get messed up. So I was prepared for that.

Speaker 4 And he made me work out for two and a half hours. And then I thought the workout was done.

Speaker 4 And he was like, no, there's another half.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 4 Martin Ford is a really dedicated man, and

Speaker 4 he just

Speaker 4 pushed me to the edge when it came to working out. And, you know, when it comes to his role as Goliath, he is someone that,

Speaker 4 you know, really just put in all the effort, both physically and emotionally, to really portray that part as best he can.

Speaker 1 How long did it take you to learn how to do the slingshot?

Speaker 1 Three days. It wasn't too bad.
Wow.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 1 I heard that

Speaker 1 I heard that you had a problem with the sheep, that the sheep were they were not helpful.

Speaker 4 Well, the sheep, the sheep were actually really interesting. I remember when we first started filming,

Speaker 4 they put me in sheep training classes because when I get on set, they have to make sure that I'm not, you know, I'm not going to get attacked by one of the sheep and I'm comfortable around them.

Speaker 4 But the sheep, the first day I show up to this training and the sheep hated me. And you'd think that the guy who plays David, you know, would be good with sheep, but it was the exact opposite.
No,

Speaker 1 I don't think that's natural. You're an actor.
I don't know if that's... Yep.
Well, they picked me because I'm good with sheep.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 4 I should have got classes from you.

Speaker 4 But no, I mean, it really, I spent a lot of time with the shepherd and he would give me some really amazing lessons. He He saw that I was having trouble and he said, you know,

Speaker 4 you should stick next to me because the sheep, when they see you with the shepherd, they'll know that you're with me. So they'll never leave my side.

Speaker 4 It's amazing.

Speaker 4 He said, huh, okay.

Speaker 4 And then he said, I want you to know another thing.

Speaker 4 A bad shepherd is a shepherd who's behind the flock. And so you, you're going to be a good shepherd.
You're going to show them where

Speaker 4 you're not going to let them lead you.

Speaker 4 You're going to lead them. And you're going to be in the front, taking the risks and showing them the path.

Speaker 4 And And he's saying this, and I'm like,

Speaker 4 I think I'm getting more than just a sheep lesson here.

Speaker 4 But it really helped in terms of understanding who David was as a person

Speaker 4 and his relationship to Christ and

Speaker 4 why David was chosen as king.

Speaker 1 Is it true that you fasted

Speaker 1 before the audition? I mean, you're a Broadway guy.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah. No, well, I sent in the first audition.
I was really excited about it, and

Speaker 4 it was a dream of mine for a long time. You know, one of these dreams that you don't tell anyone and you don't think that's ever going to happen.

Speaker 1 To play David specifically or to be in a

Speaker 4 period. Really? To play David, to play David.

Speaker 4 Because I was inspired by The Chosen, and

Speaker 4 I wanted to maybe do a flashback scene as a young David or something.

Speaker 4 And then when I got the audition and they originally said no, I was like, oh, you know,

Speaker 4 that would have been a good opportunity.

Speaker 4 And then I got another audition. I called my mom and I said, Mom, this doesn't happen.
Like, can you believe it? And she said, Michael, calm down.

Speaker 4 The one thing I need you to do, I need you to fast and I need you to pray. I said, yes, ma'am.

Speaker 4 And a week later, I was having lunch with John Irwin. And he, you know, everything kind of took off from there.
But,

Speaker 4 yeah, fasting and prayer.

Speaker 1 You know, I'm friends with I went to school with Jim Caviesel, and

Speaker 1 I can't remember what grade he was in, maybe fifth grade, I think, but

Speaker 1 he went into church and all by himself, and he prayed, and he made a pact with God.

Speaker 1 Let me, all I want, Lord, is to play you in a movie someday, and I will live my life honorably to be able to be ready, but I want to play you.

Speaker 1 And so, you know, he told me when Mel called, he was like, yeah, I've been waiting for the call.

Speaker 1 It's an amazing thing.

Speaker 4 Wow, I didn't know that story. That's beautiful.

Speaker 1 Yeah. What do you think it is about the story that, I mean, this is the number one show, number one series on

Speaker 1 Amazon Prime this year. What is it about the series that you think is connecting?

Speaker 4 You know,

Speaker 4 I think it's different for everybody. I'll tell you, for me, the reason why this show means a lot to me is because

Speaker 4 David points us to Christ.

Speaker 4 And David is a person.

Speaker 4 To me, he's the embodiment of what it means to be human and to make mistakes and yet to still find forgiveness. And his story is a very complex, long story,

Speaker 4 but he is a man that

Speaker 4 he's known as the man after God's own heart. And so for people to see that example, to see...

Speaker 4 to see the man that God loved so much that Jesus himself was known as the son of David, I think that's what's resonating with people. They see the Holy Spirit in the show.
At least that's what I see.

Speaker 4 And that's who I do it for.

Speaker 1 It's amazing to me how,

Speaker 1 with an exception of one, the Bible, every single hero is so deeply flawed.

Speaker 1 And David is so good, so good, and then,

Speaker 1 you know, becomes really,

Speaker 1 really does one of the worst things I think I've ever read in the Bible I mean just really bad yeah

Speaker 1 are you gonna play

Speaker 1 do you have any idea if assuming the ratings are there how long of the story you're gonna tell

Speaker 4 I really don't know I mean we're just trying to get through season two right now and they'll be hopefully you know pray for us that we can get a season three and then we can keep telling the story um i don't know what irwin and gun have in the

Speaker 4 cooking up but i i pray that we we tell as much of the story as possible.

Speaker 4 And I think it's important to see both the good and the bad, like you said, to see this flawed human being, to see someone make mistakes and yet to see them get back up and

Speaker 4 repent and ask for forgiveness and find grace in God. So we'll see.
Pray for us.

Speaker 1 I read someplace that you were a Broadway guy, and I thought, his career is not over. I mean, you might, I mean, are you prepared to always be David?

Speaker 1 I mean, the guy who's playing Jesus now, Jim Coviesel said, you know,

Speaker 1 it took years before he was allowed to play anything else.

Speaker 1 And I can't remember the guy who's playing Jesus now his whole life. He is Jesus now to a lot of people.
Are you prepared to

Speaker 1 this be you for the rest of your life now and not, you know,

Speaker 1 going back and doing other things if that's the way it is?

Speaker 1 You know what?

Speaker 4 God has taken me through so much in my life, and I'm sure he's going to get me through this. And if I'm known as the guy who plays David, I think that's actually a blessing.

Speaker 4 And I don't know what God has this in store, but I trust him.

Speaker 4 So when that time comes, I'll worry about it then. But for now, I'm having a great time

Speaker 4 portraying one of my favorite people in the Bible.

Speaker 1 I have to just ask you a personal question, one for me. my daughter wants to be on broadway could you talk her out of it in 30 seconds please

Speaker 1 oh man i don't i don't know if i want to talk her out of it okay well i have time time for you to go now

Speaker 1 michael thank you so much and we're looking forward when when does it premiere this weekend is it out Well, episode eight is out

Speaker 4 on Wonder Project on Prime this Sunday, yes.

Speaker 1 Okay, good, good.

Speaker 1 Well, we'll be watching. Thank you so much, Michael.
I I appreciate it.

Speaker 4 Thank you so much, Lynn. Have a good one.
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Speaker 1 If you haven't seen the first season, you really should see the, I mean, it's really, really good.

Speaker 1 It's one of those that I started watching, you know, and I stopped because I'm like, wait, Tanya, we should watch this together. And she came home.
And so we started watching it.

Speaker 1 And I think we watched the whole season in like one weekend. It's one of those that you just, it's really good.
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Speaker 1 I'm sorry, just look up to CNN and it says Blue Origins mission to Mars.

Speaker 1 Blue Origin,

Speaker 1 is that Bezos?

Speaker 2 Yeah, is that the Bezos one? I think it is, yeah. I don't know.

Speaker 1 I get mixed up with all these billionaires with their rockets now.

Speaker 1 Why is he going to Mars? He's going to Mars too? I mean, they should probably, you know, one of them should say, I'm going that way. Do you want to come? You know what I mean? I got room.
I got room.

Speaker 1 Why don't we put some of your stuff on a.

Speaker 2 I think there's a competition standpoint there. That's a bit of an issue.

Speaker 1 Did Bezos really,

Speaker 1 really, or did you just want a phallic-shaped, you know,

Speaker 1 my rocket's bigger than your rocket kind of thing? Is that, I mean, I believe Elon actually wants to go.

Speaker 1 I don't think Bezos was up, you know, in his teen years going, someday I'm going to build a rocket to Mars. You know.

Speaker 2 Can I ask you a quick Bezos-related question? Uh-huh.

Speaker 1 Do you buy

Speaker 2 buying or selling? Buying or selling that the Washington Post

Speaker 2 might

Speaker 1 be

Speaker 1 turning towards sanity under Bezos' leadership? No.

Speaker 1 What will happen is it will turn like the Wall Street Journal. The Wall Street Journal is really, its op-ed page, very, very conservative.
It's the most liberal reporting in New York.

Speaker 1 It's worse than the New York Times. So, I mean,

Speaker 2 even that would be an improvement to where the Washington Post has been.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Washington Post has had some amazing

Speaker 1 op-eds. You're like, wait, what?

Speaker 2 They've hired some really good people recently

Speaker 2 that actually believe in free markets.

Speaker 1 I would just love to have balance. Like, I don't expect Barry Weiss to make, you know,

Speaker 1 CBS into the blaze. Right.
You know,

Speaker 1 I don't think so.

Speaker 1 I just would like a fair shake. I would just like both sides.
That's all I want from news agencies. Both sides.
Say both.

Speaker 2 And just trying to be fair. Try.
Like, there was a headline. Did I tell you this headline yesterday from the New York Times on the Epstein thing? No.
And it was,

Speaker 2 after their friendship broke up,

Speaker 2 I'm paraphrasing, Epstein

Speaker 2 believed he had the evidence to, quote, take Trump down, end quote. Now, if you were to read that,

Speaker 2 what would you think?

Speaker 2 Like, you'd immediately think, oh my gosh, well,

Speaker 2 he had sex with kids and he's got this evidence on him. When you read the story,

Speaker 2 not in even some versions of the sub headline, you had to get into the story to find it. They were talking about his, he believed you could take him down because of his business interests.

Speaker 1 Unbelievable. Nothing to do with the sex scandal stuff at all.
The latest, too, is that when he said, you know, the dog's not barking, the latest is now that, no, no, that's he thought,

Speaker 1 he was thinking that I think Trump is the guy who turned me in on this.

Speaker 1 Did you know that? I mean, it's incredible how dishonest they are. So, I don't have a lot of faith in the Washington Post or CBS, but I have hope.