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Speaker 3 We're going to start with Jeffrey Epstein because, I mean, why not? Did you hear the latest? Well, is it the latest? We'll get to that in just a second. First, let me tell you about Patriot Mobile.

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Speaker 3 All right. Well, let's dive right into the Epstein Maxwell emails.
My gosh, Du.

Speaker 3 Why are they trying to cover up that Donald Trump had sex with children?

Speaker 3 I mean, it's as clear as

Speaker 5 day in the emails.

Speaker 3 You know, he spent hours with one of the victims.

Speaker 3 What else could possibly have occurred in that arrangement? We don't know. And

Speaker 3 it's one of the victims, Stu. One of the victims.
One of the victims. That's all we know.
That's all we know.

Speaker 5 One of the victims.

Speaker 3 Let me read what Jeffrey Epstein wrote.

Speaker 3 I want you to realize that the dog who hasn't barked is Trump. Victim, redacted.
Victim spent hours at my house with him. He has never once been mentioned.
Police chief, etc.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 3 New information just released.

Speaker 3 Or is it? Because in 2011, 2011, that was released and everybody knew it. It's been out floating around.
Here's the change.

Speaker 3 In 2011, this is what it read. I want you to realize the dog that hasn't bark is Trump.
Virginia spent hours at my house with him. Why would you redact a name that is already out in the public square?

Speaker 3 It's already out.

Speaker 3 The memo is already out. The email is already out.
It's been out for years. Why would you redact that name now? Well, because it it makes it all suddenly new and shiny.

Speaker 3 Shiny and new. If you don't know who said it, you see victim and you're like, oh, there's a victim that he was, who was the victim? I don't know.

Speaker 3 But when you know it's Virginia, you know this has already gone to court.

Speaker 3 This is, she already testified about this.

Speaker 3 He didn't partake in any of this, any sex with any of it. It's true.

Speaker 3 He didn't partake in any sex with us. And I'm quoting, this is from the testimony.
But it's not true that he flirted with me. Donald Trump never flirted with me.
Have you ever met him?

Speaker 3 Yes, at Mar-Lago, my dad and him. I wouldn't say they were friends, but my dad knew him and they would talk.

Speaker 3 Have you ever been in Donald Trump or Jeffrey Epstein's presence with one another? No.

Speaker 3 What's the basis of your statement that Donald Trump is a good friend of Jeffrey? Jeffrey's told me that Donald Trump is a good friend of his. He didn't partake in any of the sex with any of it.

Speaker 3 He flirted with me. It's true that he didn't partake in any sex with us, but it's not true that he flirted with me.
So I don't understand that. But she goes on.
Donald Trump never flirted with me.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 what's new about this? This is the same girl.

Speaker 3 This is the same person that.

Speaker 3 Didn't she work at Mar-a-Lago or she was going to get a job at Mar-a Lago? I believe she did, yeah.

Speaker 5 I believe she did at one point.

Speaker 3 So we know they know each other. We know they know each other.
We know that at Mar-a-Lago,

Speaker 3 Jeffrey Epstein would come and he was poaching the employees, the girls there, to go work for him. And Donald Trump went to him and said, hey, man, stop it.
Stop poaching people from me.

Speaker 3 That's not cool. Don't do it.

Speaker 3 And then he said, oh, yeah, all right. And then he did it a second time.
And he's like, you know what? You're out. I don't want you here anymore.
I asked you not to do that and you did it.

Speaker 3 Now, that doesn't mean that he knew anything about the girls or what was happening or anything else.

Speaker 3 And even if it did mean he knew something was happening with the girls, he was saying, hey, stop it.

Speaker 3 Don't take any of the girls or the women here. Don't do it.

Speaker 3 I don't believe he knew anything about any of this, but

Speaker 3 God only knows. And really, God only knows.
This is not new news.

Speaker 3 Donald Trump, he might end up beating

Speaker 3 Bezos as the richest man on the planet when all is said and done. Because, again,

Speaker 3 they're presenting this as new fact,

Speaker 3 a giant scandal.

Speaker 3 Stu. I don't know if you know this.

Speaker 3 This breaking news is a giant scandal.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I've heard Democratic representatives saying that over the past 24 hours. Like,

Speaker 5 we need to investigate this. We need to,

Speaker 5 this is shocking stuff. It's a massive scandal.
And even ABC News, I heard, push back against this and say, well, what scandal? What are you implying occurred here? We know who the victim was.

Speaker 5 We know the victim. Like,

Speaker 5 why did you even redact that name? And they're like, well, we always redact the name of victims.

Speaker 3 Like, do you really, when they're already out publicly?

Speaker 5 Not to mention, we should point out that this particular victim is not even alive.

Speaker 5 You know, she she sadly died. I mean, it's a terrible, terrible story.

Speaker 3 Terrible story.

Speaker 3 Terrible story.

Speaker 5 But yeah, she passed away. You know, she's suicide.
It was at least

Speaker 5 the report, I believe.

Speaker 5 But she has a book, posthumous book coming out.

Speaker 5 But like a terrible, terrible story. It's, you know, but like to act as if you have to protect her identity when, number one, she's red.

Speaker 3 Number two, everyone already knows her,

Speaker 5 including the news sources who also have a policy, you would think. And ABC News has a policy that they would redact a victim that was in this type of situation.
But it's already been out.

Speaker 5 We already knew who it was. So they redact it to make it look like he's with other people who have not already told us nothing bad occurred.

Speaker 3 You know,

Speaker 5 it is an absolutely awful tactic. And

Speaker 3 at least we're going to be able to do that. I think litigation should follow again.

Speaker 3 I think he should sue them again. Anyone who is presenting this as new information.
ABC did their job. Congratulations for ABC.
They did their job. They pointed out this is not new information.

Speaker 3 Why would you redevelop? Why are you releasing this now? And you're redacting a name.

Speaker 3 This email is already out. You're presenting this as a new scandal and you redacted that name.
This is completely dishonest. The news media shouldn't even run with it.

Speaker 3 They shouldn't have even run with it. They should have said, old news, old news.
And if you did run with it, you should handle it the way ABC handled it. Wait a minute.
Why would you redact the name?

Speaker 3 There's nothing new here. What do you mean there's a big scandal? There's no big scandal.
She's already testified against exactly opposite of what you're believing Jeffrey Epstein over the victim.

Speaker 3 Now, I just want to make sure we understand the Democrats here. You're taking the word of Epstein over the victim.

Speaker 3 Oh, okay.

Speaker 5 And Epstein doesn't even say that anything occurred.

Speaker 5 It's just it would be something you'd have to jump to a conclusion to accuse Donald Trump of something like this. And we know what happened because the victim said nothing.
Said it was nothing.

Speaker 5 In fact, it wasn't even a flirtation, which, by the way,

Speaker 5 even that, you might think it's creepy.

Speaker 3 It wouldn't even have been a crime.

Speaker 5 But it wasn't even flirtation.

Speaker 5 So

Speaker 5 it's a disgrace in every single way.

Speaker 3 All right. So let me take you here.
Let me take you here.

Speaker 3 If you remember when the shutdown first started, what did the Democrats say,

Speaker 3 the reason why they did the shutdown? Not them.

Speaker 3 Why Mike Johnson and everybody else wouldn't negotiate?

Speaker 3 Why wouldn't the Republicans negotiate?

Speaker 3 Because the heat was on to release the Epstein files and they didn't want to have to do that. So they shut the government down.
Okay? They wouldn't negotiate. You didn't hear any of this?

Speaker 3 No, I just saw that.

Speaker 5 It's incomprehensible. It doesn't make any

Speaker 5 sense. I know, but that is probably what they said.

Speaker 3 So the government is open. And what does Mike Johnson do yesterday?

Speaker 3 He said the House is going to vote on a bill to release all of the files related to the late financier, convicted child sex offender, Jeffrey Epstein, next week.

Speaker 3 He said on Wednesday that a discharge position to bypass leadership and force a vote on the bill hit the benchmark for needed signatures.

Speaker 3 It's been decided by him to expediate the vote for the bill, which, under the current rules, could have been delayed until at least early December. So

Speaker 3 he says, as soon as that petition hit the needed 218 signatures, I brought it up, unanimous consent. Let's go, release it.

Speaker 3 So he's pushing this forward. Good, Mike.
Release all of of it. Thank you.
Get it out. Lance this boil.

Speaker 3 I mean, if anybody thinks that you're ever going to get the truth on this in the first place, it's madness. It's madness.

Speaker 3 Everybody, I mean, so many important people were involved in this, and it was in the hands of the Democrats. For the longest time, okay? So they had all of this information.

Speaker 3 You don't think it was all picked through?

Speaker 3 And if there was anything about Donald Trump, you don't think that would have come up between 2020 and 2024?

Speaker 3 There's nothing in there about Donald Trump. I mean,

Speaker 3 these people are so stupid. This time we got him, boys.
This time we got him. No, you don't.
It's like your Wiley coyote.

Speaker 3 This time we've got the Roadrunner. No, you're never going to catch him on this.
It doesn't work. There's nothing there.
The guy was the most investigated person in the history of the world.

Speaker 3 And you got nothing.

Speaker 3 Now, it's good to come out. But if you think you're going to catch a bunch of people on the left, you're not going to because they had it, you know, in their possession.

Speaker 3 You don't think all of the names were taken out? You don't think things were destroyed if there was anything. I believe there was something.

Speaker 3 But I don't believe there's any names in it anymore. You're not going to get the truth on this one.
You're just not going to to get the truth. But release everything that we have.
Everything.

Speaker 3 Oh, by the way, also in the Epstein emails, how come nobody's talking about this one, Stu?

Speaker 3 This one is from Michael Wolf to Jeffrey Epstein, and then Jeffrey Epstein responds. So Michael Wolf writes, what's the thumbnail on Nesbom Foster?

Speaker 3 And Jeffrey Epstein writes back, Nesbom White House Council, dot, dot, dot, Hillary doing naughties with Vince.

Speaker 3 Now, Vince Foster killed himself,

Speaker 3 you know, and then he killed himself in the White House and then drug himself across the street to the park.

Speaker 3 I mean, I don't know. The Vince Foster thing is so old.

Speaker 3 But why is nobody talking about that one?

Speaker 3 Why is no one talking about that?

Speaker 3 Also in the Jeffrey Epstein email bundle abc you don't feel it's necessary to bring that one up huh interesting all right let me take a quick break and i'm going to come back we're going to talk about the shutdown here for a second but first there's a point that everybody hits it's a tipping point it's the morning you sit on the edge of the bed and you think i can't keep doing it i can't the meds aren't helping the stretches don't last i'm tired of feeling twice my age you just want your life back the energy the ease the simple things that used to come naturally right relief factor exists for that moment.

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Speaker 3 Okay, so the record-breaking shutdown is over.

Speaker 3 Last night, Donald Trump signed the continuing resolution into law, so we don't have to worry about this until January, where they're going to do it again.

Speaker 3 I got to tell you,

Speaker 3 Carolyn Levitt is just

Speaker 3 the best. She's the best.

Speaker 3 She came out yesterday and said, just want to remind you everything that's going on.

Speaker 3 The Small Business Optimism Index and the Federal Reserve reported the shutdown has already negatively impacted the economy. Millions of Americans are employed by the federal government.

Speaker 3 Millions more work as federal contractors. Subcontractors are for businesses that depend on federal contracts or funding.
Hundreds of thousands of federal employees have missed their paychecks.

Speaker 3 Tens of billions in wages and benefits were withheld,

Speaker 3 impacting vulnerable families. Millions of low-income American families missed their SNAP benefits.

Speaker 3 Nearly 20,000 flights at airports across the country were delayed due to staffing shortages, causing Americans to miss family events, vacations, and work obligations.

Speaker 3 She noted American airlines estimate flight disruption already have or will impact 5.2 million people who are traveling.

Speaker 3 Congressional Budget Office estimates the cuts to the fourth quarter GDP growth could be as large as 2%,

Speaker 3 potentially delivering a negative blow to the Treasury Secretary Scott Besson's plan to keep the federal deficit at 3% of GDP in his 333 plan.

Speaker 3 Most of the decline in real GDP will be recovered eventually, but estimates are between $7 billion and $14 billion will never be recovered because of the shutdown.

Speaker 3 So congratulations to the Democrats who,

Speaker 3 what did you accomplish?

Speaker 3 Nothing. Well, no, this.
The FAA still can't reopen.

Speaker 3 Their reduction of 6% is still in effect.

Speaker 3 They said that, you know, Sean Duffy, who is Department of Transportation Secretary, he said he's going to look at it hourly, but they have to make sure that they have the air traffic controllers back at work and everything is running fine.

Speaker 3 He said we have to make sure the skies are safe. So they are going to keep this reduced.
They are not going up. It was supposed to go up to eight and then I think 10% by the weekend.

Speaker 3 And now

Speaker 3 they're going to keep the 40 airports

Speaker 3 the way they are right now. So there's still going to be some problems for the next few days on flights.
I got to tell you, the guy who I'm really impressed with is John Fetterman.

Speaker 3 I mean,

Speaker 3 I remember when he first started making sense, I was like,

Speaker 3 how is the guy with brain damage, the guy who's making sense here? And I think I said before that, the guy with

Speaker 3 explains how you become a Democrat, you know, you have to have brain damage to understand.

Speaker 3 The guy has turned into, I mean, I don't agree with his policies, but he has at least turned into an honest broker

Speaker 3 of

Speaker 3 information, an honest broker of what's really going on. He calls the shots the way he sees them.
I mean, he's absolutely alone. He talked about this on CNN.
Do we have the audio of CNN? He was on CNN

Speaker 3 and he was talking about how much hate he gets from the left as opposed to the right. Listen to this.

Speaker 6 You said, quote, I've drunk deeply of the venom of both the left and the right. As a connoisseur, I can confirm that the most poisonous, the bitterest is from the far left.

Speaker 6 That is pretty remarkable to hear you say that as an elected Democrat. Why?

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Yeah, yeah, no.

Speaker 7 You know, it's just been my personal experience on this thing. The difference is, I mean, the right would say really rough things and names.
You know, some names

Speaker 7 I won't repeat on TV,

Speaker 7 but

Speaker 7 on the left, it was like, they want me to die, or that we're cheering for your next stroke, or that's terrible that depression won.

Speaker 7 Why couldn't it depression one?

Speaker 7 And I hope your kids find you.

Speaker 7 Gosh.

Speaker 3 And it's unfortunately true.

Speaker 3 Unfortunately true.

Speaker 3 Not surprising, though.

Speaker 5 Are you at all surprised by that?

Speaker 3 I mean, I. No, she was.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 I mean, I guess that's you're not supposed to say that, obviously, as a Democrat.

Speaker 5 And I'd agree with you that Fedderman has been certainly better than I would have expected him to be getting when he got into office.

Speaker 5 You know, he is.

Speaker 3 Yeah,

Speaker 3 I don't agree with his policies, but he's a guy who seems to have the same kind of American principles that we behave a certain way. You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 And we are

Speaker 3 a country that has certain things that we just know are

Speaker 3 we find self-evident. And he seems to be that guy, kind of an old-style Democrat that I'm not going to agree with on policies, but I can at least say he doesn't hate the country.

Speaker 3 And how did that happen? Because I thought for sure he hated the country when

Speaker 3 he was running, or at least his wife hated the country.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 5 It has been an interesting turn. Because it's not just been that he's had a couple of things that we agree with him on.
There's been a couple of issues he's good on,

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Speaker 5 Like we've talked about that with the president getting shot, right? Like

Speaker 5 when something like that happens to you, it can be a life-changing event. Maybe some of that has happened.
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Speaker 5 play these games. You know, my life was threatened not that long ago.

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Speaker 3 So if you take what Fetterman said yesterday about how people are cheering for him to die on the left. And then you couple it with something that was on the Joe Rogan show on Tuesday.

Speaker 3 He was saying that the reaction to the death of Charlie Kirk makes him think that the U.S. is closer to civil war than he thought.
Let me quote him.

Speaker 3 He said, after the Charlie Kirk thing, I'm like, oh,

Speaker 3 we might be like at seven. This might be like step seven on the way to a bona fide civil war.
Charlie Kirk gets shot and people are celebrating like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 3 You want people to die you disagree with? Where are we now on the scale of civil war? Well, let me go over the scale of civil war because it's it's sobering. Now, none of this has to be true.

Speaker 3 If we wake up and decide, I don't want to do this anymore. Okay, here's step one.
Step one, loss of civic trust. Every civil conflict begins when people stop believing that the system is fair.

Speaker 3 Are we there?

Speaker 3 We're so far past the doorway. We are comfortably asleep on the couch on this one.
Gallup and Pew both show trust in Congress, media courts, the FBI and government are now at record lows.

Speaker 3 The Edelman Trust Barometer classifies the U.S. now as severely polarized.
Majority of Republicans distrust federal elections. Majority of Democrats don't trust the Supreme Court.

Speaker 3 Americans are really united on one thing, and that is the other side is corrupt.

Speaker 3 When faith in the rules collapses, the republic begins to wobble, but that's step one. Step two, polarization hardens into identity.

Speaker 3 Political disagreement is normal. Identity conflict is fatal.
But that's what Marxists push, identity politics.

Speaker 3 This is when politics stop being about policy and start being about who you are as a person.

Speaker 3 Have we crossed this one into step two? I mean, we're neck deep in this.

Speaker 3 A study on this from PRRI, it's a survey, found 23% of Americans believe political violence may be necessary to save the nation. I think that's an old study.

Speaker 3 Americans now sort themselves by zip code into ideological enclaves, the big sort. Universities, activists, corporations, everybody is promoting oppressor versus oppressed.
And that

Speaker 3 what? Does what? It puts us into incompatible tribes. Opponents aren't wrong anymore.
The opponent is dangerous.

Speaker 3 If you go back and you look at civil wars, Lebanon before 1975, Yugoslavia before 1991, that's, we're doing that. Okay.

Speaker 3 Step three, breakdown of the gatekeepers. The gatekeepers are kind of like the referees of society.
It's the media, political parties, churches, civic leaders.

Speaker 3 When they fail, extremism fills the vacuum. Okay, so where are we on this one? Have our gatekeepers failed us?

Speaker 3 Yeah, I think both, you know, both parties, especially the left, you know, everything I predicted that the left was going to be eaten by the extreme left

Speaker 3 and the communists and the socialists is now happening.

Speaker 3 They've lost control of the fringe. of each party.
Media transformed, you know, from referees into team coaches. Tech platforms,

Speaker 3 it's outrage for profit. Universities are not there to cool things down.
They heat them up.

Speaker 3 Churches are useless. Useless.
When the referees leave the field, the game devolves into a brawl and the refs are gone off the field. So there are only nine steps.
We're at step four.

Speaker 3 Here's step four. You ready for this one? Parallel information realities.

Speaker 3 Civil wars don't require different opinions. They require different realities.

Speaker 3 I remember reading about Germany at the beginning of

Speaker 3 the Nazi era, how the two newspapers, one was propaganda for the government and the other one, it was the last one that was kind of a holdout.

Speaker 3 And they said you could read them and they would cover the same thing, but

Speaker 3 They had almost no information was the same, except that happened yesterday. Here's what they said.
And then everything else was different.

Speaker 3 That's exactly, I mean, step four is complete. We can't agree on facts, right? Crime rates, border numbers, inflation, election security.

Speaker 3 Two Americans can watch the same video and see opposite truths. Social media algorithms are creating

Speaker 3 customized political universes, digital echo chambers. Deep fakes, we're just at the beginning of that.
And both sides accuse the other of running disinformation machines. Why?

Speaker 3 Because we don't have a shared reality. So, if you don't have a shared reality, how do you settle any dispute

Speaker 3 on the nine steps? We're up to number five, coming in at number five: loss of neutral rule of law.

Speaker 3 This

Speaker 3 out of the nine steps, five is the pivot point.

Speaker 3 It's not corruption, it's the belief that the law no longer is neutral.

Speaker 3 Are we there yet?

Speaker 3 Let me tell you the CBS YouGov poll. 67% say the justice system is used for political purposes.
I think that's low. January 6th, defendants given years in prison, 2020 rioters were released.

Speaker 3 High-profile political figures prosecuted or shielded based on party. FBI whistleblowers alleging pressure to inflate domestic extremism numbers.
States like Texas directly

Speaker 3 defying federal directives on border enforcement and now leading the way with the federal government. History is really cold and unforgiving on this point.

Speaker 3 Once the people believe justice is political,

Speaker 3 remember, this is the turning point. The Republic stands on borrowed time.
Once you no longer believe that justice is achievable, step six. Are we there? I think we are.

Speaker 3 Step six: normalization of political violence. This is where violence stops shocking the system.

Speaker 3 Are we there?

Speaker 3 Remember, where violence stops shocking the system.

Speaker 3 Look at the evidence just from Virginia, what they just voted for. He was calling for the death of

Speaker 3 a political opposition.

Speaker 3 calling for his children to be killed, was called on it, never apologized, never said anything other than, yeah, I know, he dug it deeper. Was anyone shocked by it? Apparently not.
They elected him.

Speaker 3 Here's the evidence. 2020 riots, 574 events, $2 billion in damage.

Speaker 3 Was anybody outraged by that? Or was it downplayed and excused? Assassination attempts.

Speaker 3 Assassination attempts against the president, Supreme Court justice, fist fights, and mob actions on college campuses to silence speakers, rising tolerance for punching a fascist or stopping genocide, depending on the ideology, online chatter discussing civil war, national divorce, and revolution.

Speaker 3 When violence becomes part of the political language, a nation crosses an invisible line. We're now up to step seven out of nine.

Speaker 3 This is where Joe Rogan said, are we at step seven?

Speaker 3 The rise of militias and parallel forces. When a state loses its monopoly on force, the countdown accelerates.
So where are we on this one?

Speaker 3 I think we're seeing maybe early signs of this. You're starting to see the states kind of organize these mobs, you know, to go after

Speaker 3 ICE,

Speaker 3 right?

Speaker 3 Armed groups, right-wing,

Speaker 3 left-wing, radical, secessionist, anyone.

Speaker 3 Once they start forming their own police forces or their own opposition forces,

Speaker 3 then you have everything really falling apart entirely. I don't think we're there yet, but we're starting to see the beginnings of this.
Step eight, the trigger event.

Speaker 3 Civil wars don't begin with a plan. They begin with a spark.
So where are we? We're not here yet either, but the conditions are ripe.

Speaker 3 Potential triggers, disputed election in 26 or 28, political assassination or a major attack, Supreme Court decision that ignites mass unrest, financial crisis or dollar crisis, a state-federal standoff turning violent.

Speaker 3 Nothing is ignited yet, but the room is soaked in gasoline.

Speaker 3 So we don't have seven. We are on the verge of eight at any time.
And here's nine. This is the point of no return.
When police, military, or federal agencies split,

Speaker 3 even if no one calls it that,

Speaker 3 well, where are we?

Speaker 3 Well, I just read a story about how

Speaker 3 with the Mamdani election in

Speaker 3 New York,

Speaker 3 A good number of the police force is going to leave and they're going to go join police forces elsewhere.

Speaker 3 You also have the tension between the state National Guard and the federal directives, the State Guard and the state directives.

Speaker 3 Law enforcement

Speaker 3 recruitment is at crisis lows.

Speaker 3 The distrust of the FBI, DOJ, CIA,

Speaker 3 tens of millions of Americans. I always really respected those institutions.
I have no respect for them now.

Speaker 3 If you have states openly defying federal rules on immigration, drug laws, sanctuary policies, whistleblower claims of internal politicization,

Speaker 3 all of these things are in play. For the first time in 150 years, people can imagine.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 I give this to you not to be fearful of, but to know where you are as a map. Know where you are.
And hopefully, it might wake some people up.

Speaker 3 If you chart America on the nine-step model of civil war, steps one through four, completed. Step five, happening.
Step six, happening. Step seven, beginning.
Step eight, just waiting for it.

Speaker 3 And step nine, avoidable, only if step eight never happens.

Speaker 3 Again, I'm not telling you for doom purposes. This is diagnosis.
This is a doctor going, I want you to look at the chart.

Speaker 3 And this is a doctor saying, I want you to look at this. Do you see what's happening to your body? If you don't stop this habit, you are going to die.

Speaker 3 You don't have to die. You can stop smoking and drinking right now.
You can start exercising. But if you don't, you are going to die.
The question is, are we the nation?

Speaker 3 that says, nah, it's not going to happen to me.

Speaker 3 Or are we the nation that wakes up and sees our chart and goes, good heavens, it's far, it's way out of control and far more gone than I thought it was. But I feel something in the air.

Speaker 3 I'm going to change my behavior. The nation that refuses to look and wake up

Speaker 3 and stop calling their neighbors enemies is the nation that fails.

Speaker 3 We have to strengthen these things that have already fallen. And you know what? The easiest one to do is? Church, where are you, ministers and pastors and priests and rabbis? Where the hell are you?

Speaker 3 I think there's going to be a special section for you when you cross over to the other because you're doing things in the name of God.

Speaker 3 So when you get to the other side, I think there's going to be a special section for those who remained silent while his rights were being taken away. You don't own that right.
I don't own that right.

Speaker 3 The Lord gave us those rights and said, protect them

Speaker 3 by you being the representative, the voice box, if you will, of the Lord to shepherd his people, by you not standing up and saying, hey, by the way,

Speaker 3 we have a moral responsibility to protect these rights for the next generation. By you refusing because you're afraid, because you think there's no politics in the Bible.

Speaker 3 There's no politics in the Bible, really.

Speaker 3 The whole thing is about politics, is about the moral

Speaker 3 way you have to live your life, calling things as you see them, calling them back to eternal principles. He didn't tell anybody how to vote.
Render it in Caesar's, what's Caesar's?

Speaker 3 But there are certain principles that you have to have, or you'll lose not only this citizenship, but the next citizenship, the one that really matters.

Speaker 3 And boy, if you are doing it because you're you're a coward, you are in the wrong business. Get out of the pulpit and go to work at Jack in the Box.

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Speaker 3 You know, if I was a betting man and I'm not, I would only bet on one of two states to really be able to stand whatever is coming our way.

Speaker 3 And I would, those two states would be Florida and Texas.

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Speaker 3 in 2008 were were created in Texas because they're free and they get it.

Speaker 3 The governor of the state has just announced that he's running for governor and running again for governor and is going to take on this time

Speaker 3 property tax. It is an out-of-control problem in Texas, property tax.
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Speaker 3 Governor Greg Abbott, welcome to the program. How are you, Governor? Hey, I'm doing great.
How you doing?

Speaker 3 I'm good. It's not my birthday.
And

Speaker 3 you are a brilliant man.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 I wish I would have thought of this. It's your birthday today, and you married a woman who has the same birthday, so you never forget her birthday.
Brilliant. That's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 10 You know, very simple. I wanted to make sure I married a wife whose birthday I would never forget.
But of course,

Speaker 10 she would tell you she is much younger than I am.

Speaker 3 Well, welcome to the program. We're glad you're here.

Speaker 3 Let's start talking about property taxes in Texas. They're out of control.

Speaker 3 And I know people who were born and bred in Texas, and they've said the same thing.

Speaker 3 Politicians always talk about changing property tax, and it's never done. So why is this promise from you different?

Speaker 10 So I will tell you about the five solutions that I have announced in my reelection campaign. But before that, to discuss it appropriately, I need to set it up correctly.

Speaker 10 And that is very important for listeners to understand in the state of Texas, and that is the state does not impose property taxes. Property taxes in Texas are imposed only by local jurisdictions.

Speaker 10 It could be schools, cities, counties, other local taxing jurisdictions.

Speaker 10 Even though the state doesn't impose a property tax and hence, in the legislature, we can't go in and say, well, we're going to cut this property tax.

Speaker 10 What we have done is we have used state money to try to buy down the local property taxes, especially the school district property taxes.

Speaker 10 This last session that we just completed earlier this year, we used $51 billion of state money, which is a quarter of all of our state funds, to buy down property tax rates.

Speaker 10 And when Texans open up their property tax bill this next time, they are going to see that property taxes have decreased.

Speaker 10 However, Glenn, this is the problem, because this is what we've been dealing with year after year, and that is, even though we are able to buy down property tax rates, the local taxing jurisdictions go behind their back and they start pumping up those property taxes again.

Speaker 10 And so

Speaker 10 the benefit that we provide to our taxpayers is fleeting. So I have four, five solutions to make sure we are going to put an end to the skyrocketing local property taxes.

Speaker 10 Number one, there's only one reason why property taxes would go up in the first place, and that's because of out-of-control spending at the local level.

Speaker 10 And the state of Texas has four constitutional limitations on our ability to increase spending. Local governments don't have that.

Speaker 10 Local governments have to live within their means, just like families, and just like the state has to live with our means.

Speaker 10 And so we want to impose spending limits on local government that are common sense to make sure that they are not spending in a way that increases property taxes.

Speaker 3 Seconds.

Speaker 3 What does that mean?

Speaker 3 How do you make a spending limit?

Speaker 10 Well, for example, in the state of Texas, one of our constitutional spending limits is our spending cannot increase more than

Speaker 10 the aggregation of population growth and inflation, or 3%, whichever is the lower.

Speaker 10 And so, in other words,

Speaker 10 if your population is growing a whole lot, obviously, you've got to spend more on roads and different things like that.

Speaker 10 Or if inflation is going through the roof, you've got to find a way to keep up with that so you can buy the appropriate food, all that kind of stuff. But,

Speaker 10 you know, to be honest, population

Speaker 10 and inflation growth only aggregates about 3% a year. So that's one of the ways.

Speaker 10 Another thing I'll tell you, and that is in Austin, Texas, which is one of the worst offenders in the state of Texas, their population growth has been roughly flat for the past 10 years.

Speaker 10 And despite that fact, their property taxes have increased almost double in that time period. And so clearly, Austin is spending far in excess of population growth plus inflation.
And we see that in

Speaker 10 so many cities across the state.

Speaker 10 Another thing that has to be done on the spending side is to stop the deficit spending. The state cannot go into a deficit.

Speaker 10 And actually, we have the largest budget surplus of any city in the United States.

Speaker 10 But local taxing authorities sometimes increase property taxes to take care of deficits, and that means they have a spending problem. And that has to be corrected.
So that's item number one.

Speaker 10 Item number two is that no property tax should ever be increased without it being voted on by the public and require a two-thirds vote to approve it.

Speaker 3 That alone.

Speaker 3 Yeah. So

Speaker 10 hardly any taxes would be increased. It requires a two-thirds vote of all the people who are going to be voting on that.

Speaker 10 Another thing is to put the power in the hands of the people to slash their own property taxes. If 15%

Speaker 10 of residents petition to put on the ballot a property tax rate rollback, they will get to vote on reducing their own property tax rates in that jurisdiction so they can slash

Speaker 10 and then one thing that's

Speaker 10 kind of frightening to Texans is whenever they get their property appraisal bill. Their property appraisal just skyrockets year after year after year,

Speaker 10 and they fear even opening up that bill in the first place. And the way that it works in Texas is the property appraisal that you get is done frequently, and it is allowed to increase 10% a year.

Speaker 10 And that means that the valuation on which your property is going to be taxed goes through the roof.

Speaker 10 And that is one of the key drivers that makes

Speaker 10 having a home and owning a home less affordable in Texas.

Speaker 10 I want to change that to have the appraisal done only once every five years and to put an annual cap on that, reduce it from a 10% increase to no more than a 3% increase per year.

Speaker 3 And then the last thing.

Speaker 3 Go ahead. Go ahead.

Speaker 3 No, the last thing.

Speaker 10 The last thing is

Speaker 10 every year that I've been governor, we have had the public vote on constitutional amendments concerning property taxes, but never before have we offered up what I'm about to tell you, which would be the one that would really curtail it.

Speaker 10 In Texas, the largest part of your property tax is the school district property tax.

Speaker 10 And what we want to do for homeowners who have a homestead in the state of Texas is to allow them to vote on a constitutional amendment that would ban a school district property tax for homesteads in Texas.

Speaker 3 Meaning, what exactly? That if you're.

Speaker 10 Meaning, that the largest part of your property tax bill, which is about two-thirds of it, is school districts,

Speaker 10 people of a homestead in Texas would never again pay a property tax on the school district property tax bill.

Speaker 3 Who's paying the bill then for the school, the state?

Speaker 10 The state. Yeah, the state would pick up that cost.

Speaker 10 So

Speaker 10 to be clear,

Speaker 10 yeah, we would have to fund education. The state of Texas would fully pay for that cost.

Speaker 3 Wow.

Speaker 3 can i ask you something do you find in principle i think property tax is the most immoral tax we have

Speaker 3 i i never with a property tax one never truly owns their land um and that's i mean that is the american dream to be able to own your own piece of land with a property tax you don't own it you're renting it from the local government or the state or whoever is imposing that tax and it's it's just not right.

Speaker 3 Do you agree with that or not?

Speaker 10 Well, of course.

Speaker 10 And what

Speaker 10 these solutions do, it returns the power to the homeowner to be able to control their own property tax and to slash it left and right.

Speaker 10 And they feel like for once they're finally able to live within their own home and own it without being burdened by the state or local government.

Speaker 3 Are you going to be able to get this through the house and the senate

Speaker 10 so you know this has such common sense glenn uh you would think that we would uh i will tell you uh there's opposition uh to some of these elements in both the house and senate but i'll tell you something else i don't know if you if you follow what i'm about to tell you and that is this last session I was able to finally push and get across the finish line, school choice in the state of Texas.

Speaker 10 I want you to know that

Speaker 10 every year that I've been governor, I sought to get school choice passed. And then

Speaker 10 session two years ago, I've tried to get it passed. And we didn't get it done at a regular session.
I called four special sessions to get school choice passed and it never passed.

Speaker 10 But the last one, I said, listen, we can do this the easy way or the hard way. The easy way, you guys just go ahead and vote on school choice.

Speaker 10 If you don't vote on school choice, I'm going to go to the campaign trail and I'm going to win this issue at the ballot box and we will defeat anybody who does not support school choice.

Speaker 10 I'm using that same methodology to make sure that we get this property tax reform passed.

Speaker 10 There are people who are both Republicans and Democrats who are going to push back about some of these elements I just told you about. All of these elements are needed.

Speaker 10 If we're going to have lasting property tax belief, and hence, I'm on the campaign trail already. I was in Tyler, Texas yesterday.
I'm going to be in Temple, Texas today.

Speaker 10 I'm going to be crisscrossing the state to make sure that we are getting the buy-in support that's going to be be needed when we get into the next session, that we're finally going to enact the measures that are necessary to ensure homeowners can genuinely live in their own home without being taxed out of their own property.

Speaker 3 I think that's fabulous. Governor, thank you very much.

Speaker 3 Good luck to you. We'll talk again.
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Speaker 3 What do you think of those five points, Stu, for property tax?

Speaker 5 As someone who has to pay property tax in Texas, I like them quite a bit. That would be great.
Especially as a person who's also paying for a separate school, the idea of not paying the school tax,

Speaker 5 and I know he was on a tight window there. GregAbbott.com, if you want more information about the campaign.

Speaker 5 But

Speaker 5 I'm curious as to how the state pays if we get rid of all those local taxes for the schools. He mentioned the state would pick up the cost.

Speaker 5 And I know he's not talking about an income tax. There's no income tax here, which is why

Speaker 3 the property taxes are on the higher side but i would make that trade i'm fine with that trade but uh i'd love to get them lower uh to non-existent you know i say that the problem is when you know it's your neighbors honestly that go to the ballot box and they'll vote in texas i'm not kidding you for a high school stadium $80 million

Speaker 3 okay

Speaker 3 in fact so nice the Dallas Cowboys will practice there okay Okay.

Speaker 3 And I mean, it just never ends. And you're like to everybody in your neighborhood, you're like,

Speaker 3 what are you doing? Oh, man, it's going to be great to have this. You know, you're paying for it, right?

Speaker 3 They just, I don't know why they don't connect that with their property tax because then they immediately.

Speaker 3 bitch about their property tax and you're like, yeah, you're the one who voted for the $80 million high school stadium. What's wrong with you?

Speaker 3 But I think he solves that by the debt issue because it always happens. People will always vote for,

Speaker 3 do you want this in the neighborhood? Yeah, I like that idea. Yeah, they never tie it.

Speaker 5 It's such a tough one because everyone likes new things.

Speaker 5 People like it when you build new fancy buildings and facilities in the town.

Speaker 5 And they almost always pass. Always.
It's fascinating. And then, of course, you're right.
They just complain about the taxes. And this doesn't even go into the fact that

Speaker 5 stadiums are different, but a lot of times these are building businesses, essentially, that are competitors to actual businesses in the community.

Speaker 3 You know,

Speaker 3 is that just a Texas thing?

Speaker 5 Oh, I think that's happening all over the country.

Speaker 3 I mean,

Speaker 5 if you have a rec center, right, that

Speaker 5 has a gym facility that they're offering memberships in your town, this is happening in your town where, you know, like someone who is built a gym business,

Speaker 5 you know, they've spent the money and they're trying to market it and now they are competing with a government-sponsored business that is paying for the business with

Speaker 5 taxpayer dollars, even their competitors' taxpayer dollars.

Speaker 3 Why is it we don't see this? I mean, we know government grocery stores in New York.

Speaker 3 Bad idea. That's a great point.
Why don't we know that about this? I mean, I guess because

Speaker 3 I guess because they, you know, in Texas at least, they'll make it work. And so it just doesn't spiral out of control and then just be a crap hole that has to close down.

Speaker 3 So I guess maybe it's like, well, this was really, really better. Yeah, but the principle is wrong.
The principle is wrong. You're putting other people out of work.

Speaker 3 You're taking the entrepreneurial spirit and just crushing it.

Speaker 5 Yeah, basically, I just don't think people think about it, honestly.

Speaker 5 I think people like that their community is maybe a little bit of a better place and they don't mind dabbling into what is essentially socialism.

Speaker 5 I mean, it really is a dabble into socialism when you do things like that.

Speaker 5 And

Speaker 5 most of the time, I think people just,

Speaker 5 you know, this is an accepted part of

Speaker 5 small town or mid-city life, right? Like where you just do these things and the government does provide certain facilities that we all, you know, just are okay with.

Speaker 5 And, you know, some like a library is an example of this, an extreme example, where like, you know, like, hey, your tax dollars are going to pay for a bookstore where all the books are free.

Speaker 3 Like, what does that mean to someone who wants to open a bookstore? Like, there's a mess.

Speaker 3 There's a difference. I mean, the library, I think, you know,

Speaker 3 most, a lot of our libraries were started by, you know, one of the robber barons, Carnegie. Yeah.

Speaker 3 And he built these. these beautiful libraries all over the country, small towns, big towns, all over the country, because he said that is the key to getting someplace.

Speaker 3 That's a key to not being a slave. And I want to make sure that every

Speaker 3 poor child has access to what he called then a king's library. Every book that is in the king's library should be in every hometown.
And so he paid for it. I think that's fabulous, fabulous.

Speaker 5 And that is the case in some situations. But I mean, you know, it's the same argument they make with the gym.
They're like, oh, well, this is healthy for the community.

Speaker 5 People need to have access to be able to go exercise. Like, there's always an art.
There's always a difference, always an argument, right? But the principal, a lot of times, just gets left behind.

Speaker 3 This is Glenn Beck.

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Speaker 3 Welcome to the Glenn Beck program. I don't know if you saw the number one song on the Billboard music charts.
I want to talk about this in depth tomorrow,

Speaker 3 but it is

Speaker 3 number one on the country music billboard charts i want you to listen to it go ahead

Speaker 3 been beat down

Speaker 3 but i don't stay low

Speaker 3 got mud on my jeans still ready to go

Speaker 3 Every scar's a story that I survived. I've been through hell, but I'm still alive.

Speaker 3 They say, slow down, boy, don't go too fast. But I ain't never been one to live in the past.
I keep moving forward, never looking back. With a worn-out hat and a six-string strap.

Speaker 3 You can kick rocks if you don't like how I talk. I'm gon' keep on talking and walk my walk.
Ain't changing my tone, ain't changing my song. I was born this way, been loud too long.

Speaker 3 You can hate my style, you can roll your eyes. But I ain't slowing down, I was born to rise.
So kick them rocks, if you don't like how I talk, I'm gonna keep on talking and walking my walk.

Speaker 3 Okay, so the interesting thing about this song is that guy who's singing that was

Speaker 3 has not been talking for a long time.

Speaker 3 He has not been walking for a long time. In fact, he was not born long ago.

Speaker 3 He's not real. That's AI.

Speaker 3 The number one song on the Billboard Country Music chart is AI.

Speaker 3 AI.

Speaker 3 I have to tell you, some of my favorite music is coming from AI right now.

Speaker 3 And I don't know how to feel about it. You know, we just...
It wasn't too long ago that we thought, oh, well, it's never going to be able to do that.

Speaker 3 It can't, you know, art is the music, art is the window to the soul.

Speaker 3 How is AI, if you look at some of the lyrics of this song,

Speaker 3 I mean, it talks about how he's been dragged through the mud, he's, you know, had to really stand.

Speaker 3 I mean,

Speaker 3 it doesn't know any of that stuff. None of it is real, and yet it is assembling it in a way that is so appealing, it's number one on the Billboard Country Music Chart.

Speaker 3 If that, and this is what I want to focus tomorrow, I want to talk talk to you about college. And what are you telling your kids about college?

Speaker 3 What are you doing?

Speaker 3 If you're in college, what are you doing? If you're thinking about college, what are you thinking? Because the whole world is about to change.

Speaker 3 You know, I just heard Elon Musk say that in five years, there's not going to be phones or apps. I mean, think, I want you to think about this.

Speaker 3 There won't be phones or apps.

Speaker 3 It will just be some sort of a box or device that you kind of carry around with you. And it's listening,

Speaker 3 it's anticipating. It's AI,

Speaker 3 it's an agent AI,

Speaker 3 and it will know what you want to hear, what you want, and it will create the music you want to hear, it will create the podcast you want to hear,

Speaker 3 it will do all of this stuff for you. So we will be even in our own universe, even more than we are right now.

Speaker 3 But if

Speaker 3 AI can fake

Speaker 3 being a human

Speaker 3 and sing soulfully while not having a soul,

Speaker 3 what does it mean to be a human?

Speaker 3 I have been asking this question and been saying, Stu, since the 90s.

Speaker 3 I have been saying, we have to have a conversation on what does it mean to be human? What does it mean to be alive?

Speaker 3 Because there's going to come a time when you won't know what it means.

Speaker 3 Are we there yet, Stu? Are we there?

Speaker 5 It's a good question. I mean, I think we know what it means to be human, but I think the ways that we have shorthanded that over the years are dissolving.
Right?

Speaker 5 Like, you know, when you come up with what seems like original thought, we might all be able to acknowledge that something that AI turns out is not an original thought, but

Speaker 5 it certainly seems like it to most. And I think a lot of people won't care.
Like, people won't care if it is made by humans or not, if they like it.

Speaker 5 And they seem to like it. And while there will, I think, be a real pushback by some against this stuff, just like, you know, I have a bunch of friends who are

Speaker 5 into the horror movie practical effects

Speaker 5 world where they are like, I like going, that's why I like to watch horror movies because they use real fake blood or whatever.

Speaker 5 You know, it's a weird dedication. It's not my thing.
I don't care.

Speaker 5 You know, when I go to a movie, if it's CGI and it looks real, I don't care. But they love the fact that it's being made by practical effects.

Speaker 5 And if that's what there will always be some interest in that, I think.

Speaker 5 There will always be some interest in watching someone doing something manually that a machine could do easier and sometimes some ways better.

Speaker 5 But, like, and it becomes niche after a while, doesn't it?

Speaker 3 Yeah. Handmade is going to come back into style.
At some point, handmade, human-made will come back into style. But we are going,

Speaker 3 we're going to go through a period where it's going to get really scary because, I mean, if a machine can,

Speaker 3 if a machine can sing soulfully and not have a soul,

Speaker 3 what does that mean? If it can sculpt beauty, generate things that can make you cry, but

Speaker 3 how does it know how it doesn't have anything real inside of it? If it can imitate genius, then what is our genius?

Speaker 3 What does that mean?

Speaker 3 Let me start this conversation. We're going to go into this more on tomorrow's program, but let me just start this with.

Speaker 3 When you start to ask yourself, what does it mean to be a human?

Speaker 3 A machine can produce, and it can produce and will produce better than you can but it cannot care it cannot actually care it can calculate but it cannot love

Speaker 3 a machine can imitate suffering it can relate to suffering it can sing songs soulfully like it has suffered but it can never walk through the valley of suffering It can analyze morality,

Speaker 3 but it can't

Speaker 3 instinctively choose right and wrong because it's serving a higher power.

Speaker 3 It has no conscience. It has no courage.
It has no soul. It will never put itself between danger and a child.

Speaker 3 It will never forgive because it's never really offended. It will never sacrifice.

Speaker 3 It will never bury a friend and carry that little piece of grief with them for the rest of their lives.

Speaker 3 There's something different about humans, and it is,

Speaker 3 it's not about what we can do, it is everything about the divine spark.

Speaker 3 Only humans can look at something and say,

Speaker 3 damn it, I know all the odds are against me. All reason goes against this, but I'm going to build it instead.
I'm going to rebuild.

Speaker 3 Only humans hear the call of from deep within the

Speaker 3 whispering of the spirit or the ancient whispers that machines will never hear saying, live for something greater than yourself. There is something more out there.

Speaker 3 Only humans can take suffering and learn compassion. Only humans can take fear and turn it into courage and bravery.
Only humans can take history and turn it into real wisdom.

Speaker 3 We are making artificial minds, but we are not making artificial life.

Speaker 3 But as these artificial minds begin to get better and better and their tools become better and better, it should not make us smaller. It should make us ask bigger questions.

Speaker 3 Who am I?

Speaker 3 Why am I here?

Speaker 3 What is the purpose of life? The questions that man has been asking asking since the dawn of time.

Speaker 3 What am I willing to endure for the sake of truth? What am I willing to stand up for? What is worth living for? What is worth dying for?

Speaker 3 What is the purpose of the freedom that I have right now? Is there a purpose?

Speaker 3 What's the spark inside of me that no machine will ever be able to copy? No algorithm can simulate. No code can counterfeit.
What makes me unique?

Speaker 3 That answer is going to be found in each of us, in each of our hearts.

Speaker 3 And it's this weird, mysterious furnace where reason meets faith and memory becomes meaning and the divine

Speaker 3 echoes inside of us,

Speaker 3 reminding us that we are individuals, that we are here for a purpose, that we can be forgiven, we can get stronger, we can rebuild we can forget everything the world is saying and chart our own course

Speaker 3 that's what makes us humans and machines will not understand that

Speaker 3 being human isn't what we can produce because you're going to see it's producing everything

Speaker 3 it's about what we can choose We can choose to love. We can choose to sacrifice.
We can choose to tell the truth. We can choose to stand when the world bows.

Speaker 3 We can choose to create not because we're told to create, not because we make money to create, but because there's something inside us that is so restless until we do create.

Speaker 3 A lot of people don't know that I paint. I'm an artist.

Speaker 3 I don't paint for anybody else. I don't paint to sell my paintings.

Speaker 3 I paint because there's something inside of me that compels me to do it. That is human.
It can reproduce my brushstrokes and make them better. It can borrow our melodies.

Speaker 3 It can echo our stories, but it cannot replace the things that make us human, the ability to forge meaning out of all of the things that we have suffered through.

Speaker 3 The age of machines is rising, and it is going to diminish us

Speaker 3 if we don't figure out who we are and what our purpose is. What is that stirring inside of me? You may not find it, but recognize that stirring inside of you.

Speaker 3 And if it's not, you're already starting to lose your humanity.

Speaker 3 It doesn't have to diminish us, it can refine us.

Speaker 3 It can remind us who we truly are. It can urge us to find that because I'm coming to replace everything else.

Speaker 3 What makes us us,

Speaker 3 we're human,

Speaker 3 and that itself

Speaker 3 is a miracle that a machine cannot recreate.

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Speaker 3 Let me squeeze a call in with Jeff in Texas. Hello, Jeff.
Welcome to the Glen Back Program.

Speaker 10 Hey, Glenn. Yeah, I was calling in.
I heard you talking earlier about, you know, the outrageous taxes in Texas. And I'm over here in El Paso, in the El Paso Independent School District.
And

Speaker 3 they,

Speaker 10 about, you want to talk about taxes and corruption. They take 43% of our taxes,

Speaker 10 42% to 43%,

Speaker 10 and

Speaker 10 they

Speaker 10 spend it like crazy. I mean, you're talking about, what, 80 million on a school stadium?

Speaker 3 Yeah. Is that right? Okay, yeah.

Speaker 10 They got a bond passed a few years back.

Speaker 10 in that district, three-quarters of a billion dollars to primarily rebuild one school.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 10 they're over budget. They're still not done last I checked.

Speaker 10 And in the meantime, they're also

Speaker 10 no longer,

Speaker 10 they're behind. They're in deficit, I guess you'd say,

Speaker 10 and they are starting to sell off other schools in the district and closing them down because

Speaker 10 they're in debt.

Speaker 10 Oh, my God. They don't have any money.
But yet they keep raising. And as soon as

Speaker 10 it came out that the Abbott was going to start

Speaker 10 cutting back on taxes and trying to help us out tax-wise, basically the county and the school districts all went, oh, wait a minute, they're used to paying this amount anyway, so we're just going to raise the rates.

Speaker 10 So that way they still pay the same amount or more.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 3 I got to tell you,

Speaker 3 these towns

Speaker 3 are really out of control, a lot of them in Texas. However, remember that it is your neighbors.
It's not the politicians. Your neighbors voted for that bond

Speaker 3 bill. And I don't know.
I don't know how they don't.

Speaker 3 My neighbors, they voted to build a $13 million firehouse. $13 million for a firehouse.
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Speaker 3 And they open it up for people in the neighborhood to go see it. And I'm standing there with my neighbors, and they're like, This is great.
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Speaker 3 This is nicer than any of our houses. This is nicer.
And you bought it.

Speaker 3 And the reason why we built this is because the firemen burned down the last firehouse by leaving the stove on while they left to go fight a fire. What is wrong with you?

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Speaker 3 I'm going to reintroduce you because you've heard this man before. I'm going to reintroduce you to one of my favorite people on the entire world, on the entire planet, because he has said things like,

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Speaker 3 I believe our country was founded by geniuses, but it's being run by idiots. Always be yourself, unless you suck.
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Speaker 3 My favorite, favorite, most entertaining senator, John Kennedy, joins me to talk about the shutdown. If we have time, I want to talk to him about the getting rid of the

Speaker 3 Stu, Mr. Smith goes to Washington

Speaker 3 filibuster?

Speaker 3 Filibuster, getting rid of the filibuster. And he has a new book, How to Test Negative for Stupid.
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Speaker 10 Glenn, it's good to be with you, man. Thanks for having me.

Speaker 3 I want to talk to you about your new book, which I can't wait.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 3 let's start with

Speaker 3 the reopening of the government. I think this is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen.
We're only reopening it until January. They're going to do this again.
Are they not?

Speaker 3 Yeah, maybe.

Speaker 10 Maybe they learned a lesson. I mean, here's what happened, Glint.

Speaker 10 What, seven weeks ago, the country was just

Speaker 10 rocking along, minding its own business. Our budget was about to run out, but we were talking with the Democrats about negotiating a new one.

Speaker 10 And all of a sudden, at the last minute, Senator Schumer came to us and said,

Speaker 10 I'm going to stop negotiating. I'm going to tell my people to vote to shut government down unless you give me $1.5 trillion.

Speaker 10 You gut the One Big Beautiful bill like a fish, and you extend the Obamacare subsidies.

Speaker 10 Well, I mean,

Speaker 10 you know,

Speaker 10 I'd rather rather have a back alley colonoscopy than vote for something like that.

Speaker 10 And my colleagues felt the same way. So we told Chuck, said, Chuck, short answer is no.
The long answer is hell, though.

Speaker 10 And

Speaker 10 Chuck just, I mean, his demands, Glenn,

Speaker 10 you had to have an Excel spreadsheet to track them. It was so unserious.
And so we just sat there and we didn't give up anything.

Speaker 10 And eventually, he had to go to five or six of his colleagues to get them to bail him out. And that's why we

Speaker 3 are.

Speaker 3 Was this just about election?

Speaker 3 Was this just about the election? What was this for?

Speaker 10 Oh, it was politics. It has to do with Senator Schumer's politics.

Speaker 10 The Bolshevik wing, the loon wing

Speaker 10 of his party,

Speaker 10 he's scared of them.

Speaker 10 He should be.

Speaker 10 Instead of standing up to them,

Speaker 10 I think his testicles are on back order from China because

Speaker 10 he just wanted them to love him. They don't love him.
They're never going to love him.

Speaker 10 Congresswoman Ocasio-Cortez is either going to,

Speaker 10 if the Democrats take over the House, she's either going to be the new Speaker, or she's going to run against Schumer, or she's going to run for president.

Speaker 10 And her wing of the party, the Bolshevik wing, is in control. That's what's going on.

Speaker 3 What do you think of John Fetterman?

Speaker 10 I really like John.

Speaker 10 His health has gotten a lot better.

Speaker 10 He's a little bit like me. We don't agree on politics, but he plays outside the pocket.

Speaker 10 He says what he thinks.

Speaker 10 He's very popular in Pennsylvania. Now, he's not popular among the loon wing of his party.
And so he could have problems in a primary, but statewide,

Speaker 10 people find him, as I do, refreshing.

Speaker 3 Let me just tick off a couple of other things here real quick. Filibuster.

Speaker 3 I just talked to the White House this week, and they're dead serious about getting rid of the filibuster. And I said,

Speaker 3 you know, maybe reform it, maybe go back to the way it was.

Speaker 3 But please, let's not get rid of

Speaker 3 the speed bump of the filibuster. And they are convinced that we'll never get anything passed.
And

Speaker 3 the comment was, these people that we're working against are completely unserious.

Speaker 3 They don't want the same kind of America. How do we get anything passed when they are roadblocking absolutely everything? How do you respond to that?

Speaker 10 Well, I talked to the president, I don't know, last week. I mean, he's dug in like a tick.

Speaker 10 I like the filibuster. When I got to the Senate, Glenn, I didn't.
But I finally learned that the role of a senator is really twofold.

Speaker 10 Of course, it's to advance good ideas, but it's also to kill bad ideas. And we killed a lot of bad ideas with the filibuster

Speaker 10 when Joe Biden was president.

Speaker 10 My preference, and I've been encouraging Senator Foon,

Speaker 10 who I don't think he agrees with me, but

Speaker 10 we passed the one big beautiful bill without a single Democratic vote, and it's a marvelous bill. And we did it through reconciliation, about which you know.

Speaker 10 And we can do two more reconciliation bills. And for seven weeks, eight weeks, a couple of months, we've done nothing in the Senate.

Speaker 10 We need to get up off our ice cold, lazy butts and go pass another reconciliation bill that addresses the cost of housing and the cost of health insurance and the cost of living, the things that moms and dads are worried about when they lie down to sleep at night and camp.

Speaker 10 But I don't sense that the president's going to give up on it. Right now, I can tell you, if

Speaker 10 Boone brought it up for a vote among the Republicans, it wouldn't pass.

Speaker 3 It would not pass. How do you feel about the Supreme Court? Where are they going to come down on these tariffs and the role of the Senate?

Speaker 10 Well, I don't know how they're going to come down. I listened to the oral argument.
I didn't go over there, but I could get it by audio.

Speaker 10 And

Speaker 10 they asked the questions I thought they would. The president is arguing that

Speaker 10 he's construing construing the statute. IEPA is saying this is a foreign policy decision and traditionally the U.S.

Speaker 10 Supreme Court does not interfere with the executive branch when it is addressing foreign policy.

Speaker 10 The questions from the justices, with the exception of a couple, seem to be along the lines of, well, is it really foreign policy? And

Speaker 10 the statute is plain, and it doesn't mention tariffs. But I learned long ago, you never predict what the court's going to do based on oral argument.
They'll fool you.

Speaker 3 What do you think the right thing is?

Speaker 10 You know, I've got real ⁇ I don't know. I've got really mixed feelings about tariffs.

Speaker 10 There's no question the president

Speaker 10 is right that for years and years and years, other countries have taken advantage of America, particularly China.

Speaker 10 We admitted China to the World Trade Organization. I think it was December 9th, 2001.
China started cheating December 10th.

Speaker 10 And I like the idea of reining them in through tariffs. If I had my brothers, here's what I would propose.

Speaker 10 I don't think the president would agree with me, but I would go to every one of these countries and say, here's the deal. If you reduce your tariffs to zero,

Speaker 10 America will reduce its tariffs to zero. And then we'll let our companies compete on a level playing field and may the best product at the best price win.
And I think America will win that fight.

Speaker 10 Now, the president, I can tell you, I've talked to him, he doesn't see it that way.

Speaker 3 No, he doesn't. We're talking to Senator John Kennedy.

Speaker 3 He is one of my favorite senators. And I think if you've been listening the last couple of minutes, you know why.

Speaker 3 Graduated Vanderbilt University, University of Virginia, and Oxford. That I would have paid money to see you at Oxford.

Speaker 3 That had to be entertaining for all involved. We're going to come back, and I'm going to take one minute break, and then we're going to talk to him about his new book, How to Test Negative for Stupid.

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Speaker 3 He's just written a new book called How to Test Negative for Stupid and Why Washington Never Will. Senator, tell me about the book.

Speaker 10 Well,

Speaker 10 thanks for asking, Glenn.

Speaker 10 It's not a policy book per se. It's a storybook.
I use stories to make my points about policy. Some of the stories are funny.
Some are bizarre. They're all true.

Speaker 10 I talk about wait, wait, what do you mean?

Speaker 3 What do you mean some of them are bizarre? What does that mean?

Speaker 10 Well, they're just strange to see the Senate

Speaker 10 what it's like on the inside. And I don't just talk about the Senate.
I talk about

Speaker 10 my meeting with the one and only meeting. I was one of the few senators who met

Speaker 10 for any length of time with Senator Joe Biden. That was bizarre.
And it was early in his term.

Speaker 10 He showed me around his office.

Speaker 10 Well,

Speaker 10 I remember we talked for a while. His staff's trying to get rid of me.
We were there for a bill signing. He

Speaker 10 asked me if I'd seen his cabinet room, and I said, no. I had seen it, but I said, no, sir.
And so he said, I'm going to take you over there. And it's maybe 20 yards away.
And

Speaker 10 you could have baked a Thanksgiving turkey in the time that it took him to walk from

Speaker 10 his oval over to the cabinet. And I remember thinking at the time,

Speaker 10 this gentleman has reached the point in life where all he wants to do is sit around and talk about the old days and tell stories and when he gets tired he just wants soup in an early bedtime and and this was his first year nice guy very happable I wouldn't call him a policymaven

Speaker 10 the people around him were running running the country but

Speaker 10 I just thought the whole thing was bizarre

Speaker 10 but

Speaker 3 You don't believe them at all that they didn't know, right? I mean, there was no way to be. And we saw it from a distance.

Speaker 3 I mean,

Speaker 10 of course they knew. I mean, I listened to them, so I had

Speaker 10 no idea, you know, and I'm thinking to myself, you know,

Speaker 10 I'll take exquisitely dumb for 500. Of course you knew, you know?

Speaker 10 You had to know. You could see it.

Speaker 3 And this was in his first

Speaker 3 year.

Speaker 10 The president clearly had

Speaker 10 the beginnings, again, in the first year of his presidency, of neurodegenerative disease. I mean, we all, it happens to us, to many people at that age.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 10 he wouldn't have made it to a second term. I'm sorry.
He wouldn't have.

Speaker 3 Can I ask you something? Who did you grow up with?

Speaker 3 When I grew up, I tell stories in the way my grandfather used to tell stories. I remember sitting at his feet and he would just tell stories.

Speaker 3 You have such a unique way of telling stories and all of these phrases that just pop into your head.

Speaker 3 Where did you get that?

Speaker 3 Is that what life is like? Where did you grow up? You grew up in Zachary, Louisiana.

Speaker 10 Yeah. Little bitty.

Speaker 3 Is that what it's like there?

Speaker 10 Yeah, when I I grew up, it's much bigger now because the schools are so good. But when I grew up, it was about 3,000 people.

Speaker 10 We didn't have a town drunk. We were that small.
Several people had to take turns.

Speaker 10 Everybody knew everybody.

Speaker 10 You didn't lie.

Speaker 10 I loved high school. I cared about two things.
I'd go back in a second. I cared about two things, Glenn.
I cared about basketball and I cared about cheerleaders. And I wasn't very good at either one.

Speaker 10 But man, it was so much fun trying.

Speaker 10 But I learned a lot growing up in Zachary. I went away to school for about, I don't know, 10 years, as long as I

Speaker 10 could stay in school, and then came back home.

Speaker 3 What was it like at Oxford?

Speaker 3 You had to be just this

Speaker 3 bizarre

Speaker 3 something that nobody could figure out over there.

Speaker 10 Well, the kid, it took them a while to learn how to learn my speech patterns. And

Speaker 10 I realize that, you know, my voice sets off car alarms, but that's just my voice and my accent. But

Speaker 10 Oxford was an extraordinary experience. It's the greatest university in the world.

Speaker 10 It's the smartest kids in the world. And

Speaker 10 I wanted to understand what it was like to compete with the best. And I remember the kid that lived next door to me in the dorm, actually in the college, when I first went in to see him the first day,

Speaker 10 I was there.

Speaker 10 He had a book on

Speaker 10 his bed. And

Speaker 10 actually I asked him to turn down his stereo. And I said, what are you doing, man? And he was like 18 years old, big bushy red hair, acne.

Speaker 10 And he said, I'm teaching myself Mandarin.

Speaker 10 And I said, hmm. you speak any other languages? And he named five or six.
And I mean, I'm thinking this kid can spot me about 60 IQ points.

Speaker 10 But that's why I came, just to compete with, see what it's like.

Speaker 3 But I liked it.

Speaker 3 The name of the book is How to Test Negative for Stupid

Speaker 3 and Why Washington

Speaker 3 Never Will. Is there any hope that they'll ever test negative?

Speaker 10 You're going to have just, you quoted me me earlier, you're just going to have to get the pigs out of the creek.

Speaker 10 Look, it's not complicated. The problem is that common sense is illegal in Washington.
I mean, really,

Speaker 10 when I feel inadequate in Washington, because there are a lot of smart people there, but when I feel inadequate, Glenn, I just look around. I mean,

Speaker 10 some of these folks, you go,

Speaker 10 how did these people make it to the birth canal? And the rest of America just looks at them, slackjawed, in astonishment. And they don't under, they don't, that's why they all hate Trump so much,

Speaker 10 is because he sees the world

Speaker 10 in very practical, commonsensical terms.

Speaker 10 I mean, is the president perfect? No.

Speaker 10 Does he work every day to get better? Also, no. The president is the president.

Speaker 10 His personality is developed.

Speaker 10 But he's not just sitting there. He's trying to change the place.

Speaker 10 And most of the time, I'm supportive.

Speaker 3 Now, I'll say

Speaker 3 that he disagrees with, and he'll call me.

Speaker 10 And,

Speaker 10 you know, every time he calls, I wonder if I'll end up with a sombrero on my head because he's mad. But at least he knows where I stand.

Speaker 3 John Kennedy is the senator.

Speaker 3 from the great state of Louisiana. His new book is How to Test Negative for Stupid.

Speaker 3 Like he said, it's not a policy book. It's stories, and there is no greater storyteller than John Kennedy.
Grab the book now, How to Test Negative for Stupid. John, Senator, thank you so much.

Speaker 3 God bless.

Speaker 10 Thank you, Glenn. Love your show, man.

Speaker 3 This is Glenn Beck.

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Speaker 3 Welcome to the Glenbeck program. Justin Haskins is joining us.
He's from the Heartland Institute, vice president and also senior fellow at our Republic.

Speaker 3 He's got

Speaker 3 a new book coming out. We're going to talk about that when the book comes out.

Speaker 3 But I want to talk to him about the AI strongman concept that he's just put a new poll together and we released some of it

Speaker 3 on politics and what does socialism mean and how the economy feels to people 18 to 39 years old.

Speaker 3 And we talked about that last night on TV, but Justin's come in today because of AI

Speaker 3 and what else he found in the poll. Hey, Justin, how are you?

Speaker 5 I'm doing very well. Well, I don't know.
It's pretty dark. This is a dark poll, folks, so buckle up.

Speaker 3 Bringing down the word. You know, it's so funny is

Speaker 3 we just

Speaker 3 had this great conversation with Senator Kennedy. It wasn't.
Very funny, light, makes you feel good. And then during the break, Justin gives Stu some unbelievable gift.
Yes.

Speaker 3 Just because

Speaker 3 you're trying to be a better Charlie Kirk. I'm trying to be a better person.
I am. I'm trying.
It's a legitimate Vladimir Guerrero Jr.

Speaker 5 signed jersey.

Speaker 5 He's literally the only person that I've ever met in my life who likes the Toronto Blue Jays. Literally.

Speaker 3 I saw it and I was like, I got to do it.

Speaker 5 It's a sign. It's incredible.
But I seriously thank you. And it heals a little bit of our horrific, tragic loss from a few weeks ago that I still am grieving.
So I appreciate that.

Speaker 3 That's awesome. Yeah.
Was that being used as a bar towel someplace?

Speaker 3 It was incredible.

Speaker 5 It had one of the greatest postseasons of all time, Glenn.

Speaker 3 Come on. Yeah, yeah, sure, sure.

Speaker 3 But so I'm waiting for my gift.

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 5 No, I have one. I do.

Speaker 5 I'm not ready to give it to you yet, though. That's all.

Speaker 3 Here is Justin's gift. He's going to bring the whole room down

Speaker 3 by talking about this poll

Speaker 3 with AI. And it's not good.

Speaker 5 Listen to this. No, so we polled a national survey of likely voters 18 to 39.
So we're talking about young people. We asked them about socialism and the housing crisis and a million other things.

Speaker 5 And all those results were horribly depressing. They love socialism.
They love Mom Dani. They love Mom Dani's policies.

Speaker 3 What's amazing is where they learned socialism from. Stu,

Speaker 3 who is the biggest influence on 18, 39-year-olds year olds on socialism? Where did they hear about it and get a good impression?

Speaker 3 Ah, gosh,

Speaker 5 universities?

Speaker 3 Universities, right? Sarah, what would you say?

Speaker 5 Same universities.

Speaker 3 Universities.

Speaker 3 Not even in the top three, is it? No, not even close.

Speaker 5 The number one response.

Speaker 5 Go ahead.

Speaker 5 It was parents by far. We asked them

Speaker 5 who influenced you the most with these socialists that made you want to support socialism. It was parents and grandparents were two of the top answers.

Speaker 5 Online videos and books and stuff like that came in later.

Speaker 5 And teachers were like toward the very bottom. Teachers and college professors toward the very bottom.

Speaker 5 In fact, there was no correlation really between someone saying that their teachers and their college professors

Speaker 5 were pro-socialist and how these people voted. Even people who said, yeah, my teachers were a bunch of socialists, they voted for Trump kind of at the same rate as the people who voted for Kamala.

Speaker 5 So at least according to the respondents themselves, it didn't have any sort of an impact.

Speaker 3 Really interesting. That's bizarre.
Yeah. Okay, so now

Speaker 3 here's the question. Here's question number one.

Speaker 3 Significant advancements have been made in the fields of artificial intelligence and data collection, causing some to suggest that AI could take a more influential role in society.

Speaker 3 Many Americans are unhappy with the effectiveness of federal and state government officials, agencies, and politicians.

Speaker 3 If AI were to continue to improve, would you support a proposal to take power away from most human lawmakers and give it to an advanced AI system with the authority to control the majority of public policy decisions?

Speaker 3 You have a dark brain, man, that come up with these questions. Stuart, I talked yesterday about how I come up with these things.

Speaker 3 So it is so dark, right? You would hope that the, you know, you would go, oh, well, it's got to be 90% opposed. Okay.
Otherwise, it's not so dark.

Speaker 3 If it's not 90% opposed, then it's not a dark concept. It's possibly a dark reality.
Yeah. Yeah.
So the results.

Speaker 5 Strongly support, somewhat support combined. 41%.

Speaker 5 of young people said yes. Put AI in charge of policymakers.

Speaker 5 And it was 15% somewhat opposed, 34% strongly opposed. So just 34% strongly oppose this.
10%, they're on the fence, still not sure about this one. They're thinking about it.

Speaker 5 This this could go either way.

Speaker 5 That 10% could break either way. It could be that the AI is winning this election, if you will.
Even crazier is support among Republicans was highest among all of the different political groups.

Speaker 5 They were most likely to say. Young Republicans, that was at 46%.

Speaker 5 Independents were, I think, least likely to do it. So conservatives, very high.
It was over 50% with conservatives said this.

Speaker 3 And I think

Speaker 5 it's because,

Speaker 5 and this was a theme throughout this poll and other polls we've done recently of young people. They have so little trust in the system.
They hate it so much.

Speaker 5 They think it's so unfair to them that they will literally do, they will put anyone in charge. That's why I call this theory the AI strongman.
Like they are looking for a strongman.

Speaker 5 Young people want someone to come in and just get things done and do whatever it is that they think is right.

Speaker 5 That's very clear from the polling data. And we've seen this now from multiple polls, not just one, multiple polls, national surveys of likely voters of young people.

Speaker 3 Okay, listen to the next question.

Speaker 3 It just keeps getting better. Many Americans are dissatisfied with the U.S.
Constitution and the Supreme Court.

Speaker 3 If AI continues to improve, would you support a proposal to revise the Constitution so an advanced AI system has the authority to determine the rights that belong to individuals and families, including the rights related to speech, religious practices, government authority, and property.

Speaker 5 Yep. 36% strongly support or somewhat support.

Speaker 5 And it was 38% strongly oppose.

Speaker 5 Somewhat oppose was 18%. So this was clear opposition to this.
They're less likely to support this than just putting

Speaker 5 policymaking generally in charge. But still, we're still talking about a huge percentage of young people, 36%.

Speaker 5 And

Speaker 5 Republicans, again, 39% of Republicans said, yes, let's do this.

Speaker 3 And honestly, if you say yes to the first one, the second one is automatic.

Speaker 5 You would think so, but the first one was the highest of all the ones that we tested. It was, which kind of makes sense because I think people hate politicians the most.

Speaker 5 And that was what we were talking about, right?

Speaker 3 But what we're saying is if you put

Speaker 3 right, but if you put ai in charge then it's going to do the other ones you can't i mean all you need is the first one to be voted on and go yeah i want to put them in charge 100

Speaker 3 the next one military conflicts continue to rage around the world including ukraine if ai continues to improve would you support a proposal to give an advanced ai system the authority to control all of the world's largest militaries with the express purpose of reducing the number of people who would die from war this is my favorite one of the favorite questions i've ever written i love this question.

Speaker 5 35% strongly support, somewhat support. Very similar to the constitutional, the Supreme Court question.

Speaker 5 Higher, strong opposition, 40%. That's the highest of all the strong opposition.

Speaker 5 But the thing that's so terrifying about all these is not just, well, it's 35%, 40%, somewhere in that range want AI to basically take over huge parts of our society.

Speaker 5 It's that AI is still not all that great.

Speaker 5 So once AI becomes even better, it's so clearly smarter than people, and it's already embedded in a lot of systems,

Speaker 5 this is going to go up.

Speaker 3 This isn't going to go down.

Speaker 5 It's not like we're looking at this like, well, you know, they'll see the light. No, I don't think so.
I think as AI improves, people are going to be more open to this idea.

Speaker 5 And the foundation of it is trust the experts, right? Trust the experts. Yeah.

Speaker 3 But also what's easy and likable. I mean, think of this.
We would have said two years ago, I'll never listen to AI music. AI music, I mean,

Speaker 3 it's never going to be as good. It's not going to, you know, how can it talk about the soul and it won't be from the heart and everything else?

Speaker 3 And now it, an AI artist, if you will, an AI song, all AI, is the number one song on the country music billboard charts. Number one.

Speaker 3 Once it's so good, you're just like, yeah, I just, yeah, that's good. I mean, that's just the way it's going to happen.
It's just going to happen that way. It's interesting, too.

Speaker 5 These are questions obviously based on policy and structural changes within the society and the government.

Speaker 5 But when you look at it on an individual level where people don't have those sort of hurdles to clear, right? They can just do it if they want to, right?

Speaker 5 I mean, AI is already at least partially replacing doctors,

Speaker 3 lawyers,

Speaker 5 parents, right? Like, I mean, I can't tell you how many people I know are just like on there, oh, gosh, my kid won't do X, Y, or Z. How can I make this happen?

Speaker 5 Click it into Chat GPT, give you recommendations, and they put the, like, that's very, I would say, normalized already. And as you point out, it's not even good.

Speaker 3 But if you're

Speaker 3 if you're using it, though, if you're using it for advice and it's one voice in counsel,

Speaker 3 I don't think there's anything wrong with that. This is the step.
This is the next step. And you would just give it over.
Just give control of your kids to the AI. Right.

Speaker 3 Well, and AI, you know, teach your kids everything. Yeah, well,

Speaker 5 and think about kids.

Speaker 5 I mean, especially as they get older, and there's a generation of kids who are growing up, gonna grow up with this who didn't have it, like in the same way that I didn't grow up with social media, you didn't grow up with social media.

Speaker 5 There's gonna be kids who grow up with AI. And it's just going to become a thing where, of course, I go to it and I ask it the questions I don't want to ask anybody else or talk to my parents.

Speaker 5 Google. It's, it's, it is, it is one, it's going to have one of the most negative impacts on society probably that we've ever seen, truly.
And

Speaker 3 as it trusts it more, it's going to get worse.

Speaker 5 Yeah, there's no question about it. Is that true? Is that how you feel, Glenn? No, probably about it.
I mean, you seem to be also sort of an AI

Speaker 5 optimist at times. I mean, there's a lot of people who are.

Speaker 3 I think it is, like everything, it is the greatest tool ever invented by man. It is the most empowering tool ever invented by man.
There is nothing even close to it.

Speaker 3 It is also the poison pill for humanity. And it just depends on if we say stop.
You know, at some point, do we have any limits? I don't think we do. I don't think we do.

Speaker 3 When you have Sam Altman openly talking about trying to create

Speaker 3 Sam God or God Sam,

Speaker 3 that's a problem. That's a problem.
So there are people who are actually trying to create something that would be godlike. Right.

Speaker 3 That's not good for humanity. No, there's a story about that in the Bible, I think.

Speaker 5 One or two of them.

Speaker 5 The thing is, you need to have, with this kind of powerful technology, you need guardrails. You need guardrails on society.

Speaker 5 You need people to have those guardrails for reasons other than government creating them.

Speaker 5 And the problem is, as we've become less religious and we've moved more into this secular sort of society where there really is no objective standard for anything, we're all just, a lot of people are just kind of doing what feels right or whatever, you know,

Speaker 5 and this is why we see one day you could have Barack Obama be the pro

Speaker 5 traditional marriage candidate. And then the next day, if you're not pro-trans, then you're thrown out of the party and you're the worst person ever.

Speaker 5 And that was like within a decade that that transformation happened. That's because there's no, there's no rules.
There's no objective standard of morality.

Speaker 5 And so then when you add this into the equation,

Speaker 5 I mean,

Speaker 5 this is,

Speaker 5 it is a perfect storm. That is what's developing right now.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 You know what? The best thing is, going to be really interesting to see how we all work this way.

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Speaker 3 No, actually, we don't have either of those guys, but it's going to be a good show. I mean, you know, it won't be that, but it'll be, all right, we're going to phone it in tomorrow.
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Speaker 3 Jasmine Crockett is actually what the Democrats should be leaning into. Yes.
Because she is a phenomenal messenger.

Speaker 3 Just the fact that she was able to articulate that in that three-minute clip that I saw, and it was so powerful and so provocative, and you understood what the root of her issue was and she got you by just saying Donald Trump is racist and this administration is racist and let me tell you why and then you get into all of the issues I'm like yo you need somebody like Jasmine Crockett she is the most effective messenger that the Democratic Party has right now and you need to be using her as a Trojan horse and you know what I see how Democrats treat her I do too

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