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Speaker 1 It's going to be an interesting day, to say the least. A very interesting day.
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Speaker 1 including a new idea of 50-year mortgages. Wow, that's going to be fantastic.

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Speaker 4 As you just pointed out, thank God we are out of this shutdown potentially. That's the thing.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Are we?

Speaker 1 Are we, though? Really?

Speaker 1 Are we?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

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Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Thank you for that. I appreciate that.

Speaker 1 It's so clear now that all they did was they held this for the election to try to win the election, and now they're ready to

Speaker 1 fold. And

Speaker 1 we are seeing people with real, real problems all around the country.

Speaker 1 Socialism is becoming popular because the,

Speaker 1 quite honestly,

Speaker 1 the right

Speaker 1 is not answering the question, what do we do from here?

Speaker 1 We are in what's called a K-shaped economy right now, and that's what happens after a crisis when different groups head to different opposite directions and locations.

Speaker 1 If you think about a K, you think the upper line goes up and the lower line, that's the up are the people with assets and homes and stable jobs and they'll they'll do well but the lower the lower line goes down and that's the people living paycheck to paycheck the renters the small businesses the wage earners that all fall behind and right now you're seeing on television you're seeing oh my gosh look at the stock market is up all of these things are going up well that's great

Speaker 1 Some rise, some sink, but the gap is widening here. The K at the very beginning where the two lines meet is very, very close to each other.

Speaker 1 But as they keep going, those lines become further and further apart. And there is a moment in,

Speaker 1 you know, there's a moment.

Speaker 1 How can I explain this?

Speaker 1 Remember the old country fairs? You probably never went to one, but maybe you saw it on TV where, you know, there's a strongman contest. And there's that thing where, you know,

Speaker 1 you hit the the thing with a hammer and the bell goes up it goes bing

Speaker 1 that's what's happening right now there's a strongman contest going on right now and everybody leans in to see oh is this guy going to be able to ring the bell um and he you know takes the big hammer and he swings it and the puck goes up and it rings the bell some swing just as hard and the puck barely budges okay same hammer same pole different outcomes.

Speaker 1 That's a K-shaped economy. And we live in a moment where the puck is going up for those who already own a house and have investments or, you know, run businesses that survived the storm.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 they swing the hammer and the bell goes up and rings the bell.

Speaker 1 But the family down the street, the young couple that's trying to buy their first house, the small shop owner who never reopened, they're swinging just as hard, but

Speaker 1 the puck is just barely going up at all. And the system says, try again, step right up, try again, and then hands a smaller hammer.

Speaker 1 A K-shaped economy is not philosophy.

Speaker 1 It's not a political slogan.

Speaker 1 It's what happens when a government prints money like confetti and then watches inflation climb a ladder that is missing rungs and then tells you, don't worry, the economy is booming.

Speaker 1 I'm sorry, but the economy is not booming for a lot of Americans. And there are big changes being made right now at the global level.

Speaker 1 And I like the changes that are being made at the global level, but we are forgetting there are too many people that are really hurting right now.

Speaker 1 You know,

Speaker 1 we are going to continue to work

Speaker 1 and continue to spin our wheels on socialism until there is a new idea on how we're going to get out of this problem.

Speaker 1 And Donald Trump is working on a long-term solution, but I fear that's not going to be enough. I heard a crazy idea today about a 50-year mortgage.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 wow. So the average person is in their house for 12 years, and I got a 30-year mortgage, which means

Speaker 1 I'm not really putting very much into it because the bank is taking all of the interest rates for the first, you know, 10 years at least. I'm taking all the interest first.

Speaker 1 And then I don't really start paying my house off until the last 15 years of that mortgage. But now instead of a 30-year, you want me to do it for 50 years?

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 okay.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Well, what is that going to do? Well, first of all,

Speaker 1 it's going to raise the price of the house. I mean, you know, if everybody starts to get able to, well, I get a 50-year mortgage, so I can afford a house.
We have a shortage of housing.

Speaker 1 So the mortgages, the

Speaker 1 house payments. Sorry, the house prices are going to go up because we have a lack of housing.

Speaker 1 And then on top of it, you're going to double the payment anyway because you're paying all that extra interest.

Speaker 1 I mean, you're just charging more and stretching it out. It's like solving hunger by not giving food, but just giving longer straws to people.
Okay, wait, what?

Speaker 1 You're going to pay double for the same house.

Speaker 1 It means double the interest rates.

Speaker 1 And while your roof has to be repaired,

Speaker 1 the brand new wiring that you had when you bought the house all all needs to be redone. The appliances have to be replaced.

Speaker 1 The bathroom is completely out of date. It all has to be replaced again.
You're still paying on that house.

Speaker 1 Okay, this is like buying not one house, but two houses, and it's not freedom. It is trapping you.

Speaker 1 And, you know, what really bothers me is it is homeownership. No, I'm sorry.
It's rent. It's renting disguised as home ownership.
That's what that is.

Speaker 1 You're not going to build equity into a house like that. You won't own your home until you're in your 80s.

Speaker 1 And if you bought it later in life, your children are going to inherit the payments that you have. It masks the problem that

Speaker 1 we really have is home prices because we don't have enough homes. We also have these giant corporations that are buying up homes

Speaker 1 en masse and then renting them to us.

Speaker 1 And we also have prices for the home that is broken from the wage. A 50-year mortgage is like giving somebody a longer plank, you know, on a sinking ship.

Speaker 1 No, I mean, I'm going to end up in the water anyway.

Speaker 1 I guess that's helpful

Speaker 1 in a strange sort of way.

Speaker 1 What we don't understand is these are the conditions in which socialism thrives.

Speaker 1 If we keep just trying to say socialism is wrong, we're not going to help anyone. There's two things that have to happen.

Speaker 1 We A have to come up with new solutions for these very old problems and the new solutions cannot involve printing more money,

Speaker 1 bailing the banks out, giving the banks more interest or anything like that.

Speaker 1 Because socialism is coming with a vengeance. And

Speaker 1 boy, I got to tell you, it is going to have all kinds of answers because it always does. In January, I'm going to start something new called the Torch, and it exists really for one reason.

Speaker 1 We're running out of time to relearn what our grandparents knew by heart. Okay, the lies that we face today are not new.
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Speaker 1 And starting January, I'm dedicating the next part of my life, the last part of my career,

Speaker 1 to education on history and

Speaker 1 usable things, going going deep. You know, the thing about broadcast is you go very wide and very shallow.
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Speaker 1 We're still going to be doing what I do here every day, which bringing you all the news and trying to make sense of it. But I need to go deep on things, and socialism is one of them.

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Speaker 1 And some of these shows are just going to be you and me every single day just walking through history with a flashlight in one hand and the truth in the other trying to figure out what's going on.

Speaker 1 But one of the lessons that I think we need

Speaker 1 in this is a series on socialism, on why it never works, how it happens, and how the lies always

Speaker 1 begin exactly the same.

Speaker 1 This is the kind of work that the torch is being built for. So let me give you, let me just give you a highlight of one lesson on how

Speaker 1 whenever a society gets into this situation, history will show us a poisoned promise begins. And I'll give that to you here in just a second.
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Speaker 1 Okay, so

Speaker 1 let me give you

Speaker 1 with it with a K-shaped

Speaker 1 K-shaped economy,

Speaker 1 the socialists always arrive making all kinds of poison promises.

Speaker 1 And there is a pattern, and it is so ancient it could be scripture, also modern enough to sit on the news crawl as you're watching, you know, whatever news you're watching.

Speaker 1 Every socialist experiment starts with the same smooth-tongue promise: we are going to make life fair.

Speaker 1 Unfortunately for socialists,

Speaker 1 history keeps impeccable books. The receipts are really, really damning.

Speaker 1 Fortunately for socialists, nobody ever reads history. So let's take just a quick stop at history for a second.
Hugo Chavez is probably the latest. When Chavez took power in Venezuela, it was 1999,

Speaker 1 and he told the nation, which was booming, it was like America 2000, okay? He said

Speaker 1 he's building

Speaker 1 a new revolution that would create a classless society where oil wealth would lift the poorest into dignity, okay?

Speaker 1 He had the richest country, besides, I think, the United States of America, in the Western Hemisphere. He said it wasn't enough.

Speaker 1 We need no more hunger, no more shanty towns, and the state will guarantee your rights, and

Speaker 1 we're going to distribute the wealth of the rich to the people.

Speaker 1 And everybody cheered, and everybody was so very

Speaker 1 excited. And for a short moment, the fantasy glowed because it always glows for just a fraction of a second.
He nationalized the oil industry, and then he said poverty he would end by decree.

Speaker 1 Well, he ended something by decree. By 2014,

Speaker 1 the shelves were completely empty in the stores. By 2016, the average Venezuelan was losing over 20 pounds a year due to food shortages.

Speaker 1 Let Let me just remind you that by 2016, they were eating the dogs and the cats in the streets. Not making that up.
Look it up yourself.

Speaker 1 And the zoo animals in the cages of the zoo were also being cooked up for people on the streets to eat. Hospitals lost their power.
Children died from treatable diseases. Millions fled the country.

Speaker 1 And today, Venezuela sits on the largest proven oil reserves in the world.

Speaker 1 And yet people are standing in line for bread while the daughters of the socialist elite post photos of European vacations. What's happening to the Ferris Revolution there?

Speaker 1 It ended with a ruling class gorging on privilege and the nation digging through dumpsters for meals. That's the way it always happens.
It's not an outlier, it's the rule.

Speaker 1 Look at Cuba, 1959, Fidel Castro.

Speaker 1 I'm quoting, the revolution will bring justice, equality, education, and health care for all. Freedom from American exploitation.
Che declared that Cuba would become an example of a new humanity.

Speaker 1 Well, what followed? Well, first thing they did was they shut down the independent newspapers. They were shut down by 1960.

Speaker 1 Then they imprisoned people in labor camps for being counter-revolutionary, including priests, teachers, and homosexuals. Yeah, that Che.

Speaker 1 Then food rationing began in 1962. By the way, food rationing in Cuba has never ended.

Speaker 1 Today, the average salary in Cuba is $15

Speaker 1 a month.

Speaker 1 Now, the same Communist Party that claimed to abolish class created the most immovable ruling class in the Caribbean.

Speaker 1 And yet, the billboards still show smiling peasants and slogans about equality while the sons of party officials are driving imported cars through Havana's rotting streets, and everybody else has to fix a car from the 1950s.

Speaker 1 Remember, the promise was fairness, but the result was an island-sized cage.

Speaker 1 All right, it was just those two. Well, let's look at Germany.
The Nazis were the national socialists. Hitler didn't sell Nazism as tyranny.
He sold it as social justice for the German worker.

Speaker 1 The Nazi platform, 1920, promised abolition of unearned incomes, profit sharing in large industries, nationalization of trust, land reform because there just wasn't enough space for people to own their own houses, all in the interests of the common good.

Speaker 1 It was marketed as a workers' movement, a workers, a socialist workers' movement. And it was going to correct all the inequality, punish the greedy capitalist, and restore fairness.
So what happened?

Speaker 1 Well, first the disabled had to go and the sick children because we can't afford to keep them going. And the political dissenters, they were just stopping us from all this progress.

Speaker 1 Oh, and the Jews, of course, and the Slavs and the Poles. I mean, anyone who didn't fit the utopian math, they were gone.

Speaker 1 The promise of fairness became the most industrialized murder machine the world has ever seen. But don't worry, we could also go to the Soviet Union, the grand cathedral of socialist dreams.

Speaker 1 Here's what Lenin promised. We'll bring about the complete equality of all citizens, end quote.
The state, quoting, will wither away. Oh, yeah.
The workers will own the factories.

Speaker 1 The peasants will own the land. Okay, so they got power, and what happened?

Speaker 1 Well, none of that. Under Stalin, over 100,000 priests were executed or sent to camps.
Why? Why do they keep going after the religious people?

Speaker 1 Because the religious people are the only ones who will stand against monsters. That's why.
Millions of Ukrainian peasants were starved under the Holodomor for refusing the collectivization.

Speaker 1 Read that story. It's horrific.
The workers' paradise required one of the largest secret police forces in human history. Why? Soviet Union became a nation where you waited hours to buy bread.

Speaker 1 Party members, however, if you were in the party and you were high up, oh, you could get anything you wanted. You had luxury stores that were built just for you.

Speaker 1 By the 1980s, the system was so hollow that the most basic consumer goods, soap,

Speaker 1 shoes, toilet paper, they were rationed or unavailable. And by the way, the state never withered away.
It metastasized into every corner of life. It became everything.

Speaker 1 This story of socialism is written in blood, in ledger books, all over the world. And it always starts with the promise of equity or equality.

Speaker 1 And it always leads to the rise of an elite who decides what equality means. And every time it fails, they say, well, that was just put in the hands of the wrong people.

Speaker 1 No, the key word here is not wrong. It's people.

Speaker 1 People.

Speaker 1 The workers never get the factories. The peasants never receive the land.
The poor never get any of the wealth. And it's this story over and over and over again.

Speaker 1 Socialism begins with a promise, but always ends with a ruling class armed with absolute power. Only the names change.

Speaker 1 Did you know in Jamestown in 1619, you know, that boat that the New York Times said arrived with slaves didn't arrive with slaves, it arrived with socialism, it ended in cannibalism.

Speaker 1 Did you know that the pilgrims tried the same thing?

Speaker 1 They decided, you know what, we should put everybody's money into a big pile and you just take whatever you need because that's what that's the Christian thing to do. You know what that ended with?

Speaker 1 Starvation and death.

Speaker 1 By the way, the Reunion Tower in Dallas, that big ball that you see in the sky, you know what that? That is? That's to mark Reunion. That was the first

Speaker 1 socialist town in 1855 in Dallas. Guess how that ended? Glenn.
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Speaker 1 So we're talking about the American dream and the rise of socialism and this new idea that we're just going to get everybody into a house by offering them a 50-year mortgage instead of a 30-year mortgage, which is insanity.

Speaker 1 Insanity.

Speaker 1 I'm sorry. You know,

Speaker 1 you could take an eight-year loan out on your car if that's the only thing you can do to get a car is to take eight years.

Speaker 1 But you know, at the end of the eight years, that car is not going to be worth really anything. And you've paid all of that,

Speaker 1 you know, all of that extra cost on interest. But if that's what gets you in, but this is not, this is like a savings of like $300 a month.
And it's 20 extra years of paying on your house.

Speaker 1 To me, Stu, doesn't that sound like rent to you?

Speaker 4 It does sound a lot like rent, which is, by the way, not the end of the world.

Speaker 4 I mean, renting, I do think that we have a weird thing that we are internalizing, thinking that having a mortgage is the thing that brings you happiness.

Speaker 4 As a homeowner who has to dive into repairing things all the time, I assure you, this is not accurate.

Speaker 4 But, you know, it is something that is kind of thought of as part of the American dream and something that can help you, especially if you stay in the same location for a long period of time.

Speaker 4 But putting a 50-year mortgage in is just going to mean you're going to give a lot more money to the banks.

Speaker 4 You know, it's great, I guess, for the banks. Maybe it's good for you.
But I think at the end of the day, it's certainly not going to increase your happiness when you're in year 18 and you've paid off

Speaker 4 19, 20% of your mortgage. Like, you know,

Speaker 4 when you're at year 30 and you're paid off 40% of your mortgage, these are not going to be fun times. I don't know why that's going to bring you happiness.

Speaker 1 So the American Dream was changed by a guy named, I think his name was Stuart Chase. No, Adams, Adams.
I can't remember his name.

Speaker 1 But it was in the 1930s.

Speaker 1 Yes. It was in the 1930s.
And, you know, they were revamping everything. And they made the American Dream to be a house.
And that was never the point of the American Dream

Speaker 1 because

Speaker 1 it can't be. That's not what they fought for.
That's not why we had the American Revolution. The idea was: your life is not set in stone by some king, or some caste, or some party, or commissar.

Speaker 1 You get to make the decisions

Speaker 1 on your life. You're not, there is no such thing as a ruling class that can keep you down.
You're free to build, to fail, to rise again. You're free to chart your own course.

Speaker 1 And here's the biggest part of the American dream.

Speaker 1 You are free to chart a course for your children.

Speaker 1 So when your children chart their course, it doesn't look like the one you started on. Okay?

Speaker 1 So, in other words, I can raise my

Speaker 1 station in life enough to be able to give my kids a hand up so they can chart a course for them and they can make it a little farther than I did.

Speaker 1 This, you know, John Adams in the, in the movie,

Speaker 1 I think it was called John Adams

Speaker 1 on HBO years ago. I'll never forget, he was sitting in a

Speaker 1 dining room with Franklin and all of these French people, and they were all just made up and just grotesque.

Speaker 1 And he comes in really shabby clothes and he's sitting at the table and he's he's pretty much yelling at Franklin before the meeting. He's like, we need help.
What are you doing?

Speaker 1 You're having all these parties over here. We need help.
And Franklin says, you don't understand. This is the way it's done in France.
I'm making progress. Slow down.

Speaker 1 And he says, come and have dinner. And so they have dinner.
And John Adams is just seething. And they said,

Speaker 1 have you seen the latest, you know,

Speaker 1 show at the opera? And he said, no, sir, I'm too busy right now trying to gain my own freedom. So maybe then with my own freedom,

Speaker 1 my kids can help me work the land and my kids can go to university to study

Speaker 1 agriculture and mathematics and philosophy and science. so then maybe their children will be able to go in and study the arts and be able to have a chance to see the theater.

Speaker 1 And what he was saying was, we're building something, and I'm doing what I have to do to be able to get the next generation to be able to get them to where they can do what they have to do.

Speaker 1 So maybe the third generation can enjoy that.

Speaker 1 We're now so deep into the generations that we have not had to, we've not had anybody really, truly

Speaker 1 struggle, except maybe in our own lives we've seen the struggle. And yet, society is promising you this, you know,

Speaker 1 I don't know, this TikTok life that isn't real, this Instagram life that isn't real. And you think everybody has that, and that's where real success is.

Speaker 1 I don't know how to fix a country that thinks that having stuff

Speaker 1 is

Speaker 1 the dream because it's not the dream.

Speaker 1 The dream is being able to chart your own course and being able to say, I can be better in my life and improve my station in my life so my kids can improve their station in their life.

Speaker 1 Right now, we're borrowing from our kids and now our grandkids. We'll never meet the people that are paying off the debts.
Can you imagine how immoral that is? We'll be long dead,

Speaker 1 and they'll be strapped to paying all of this debt off, and they'll be like, for what? You think you're saying for what? Imagine, what are they saying? For what?

Speaker 1 We don't have a military anymore. We don't have this big government anymore.
We don't have these subsidies anymore. We don't have SNAP anymore.
And yet we're paying all of these taxes for what?

Speaker 1 It's not going to end well. But how do you fix that, Stu? How do you fix that when everybody is saying that? And

Speaker 1 it's because we have changed people's, we've changed from a country of needs to a country of wants, and we've done it over 100 years.

Speaker 1 How do you sell hard work to people,

Speaker 1 a lot of people who don't know what hard work is and don't want it?

Speaker 4 Yeah, I mean, I will say, you know, making people you'll never meet generations later pay for what you have

Speaker 4 run up the bill for is either just completely immoral or an incredible life hack. I mean, if we don't care about these people,

Speaker 4 we could just say, screw them and just run up the bills. It's fantastic.
But yeah, no, I agree. I think there's two parts of it that I think are really the problem here.

Speaker 4 One, you've addressed, which is this idea of formulating what the American dream is. You know, homeownership can be great in certain ways for certain people.

Speaker 4 You need to have a very specific circumstance where it's great, though, right? Where you maybe are stable, you're at a job where you think you're going to be for a long time, you don't want to move.

Speaker 4 You know, you talk about charting your own course. Home ownership is one of the things that makes it difficult to chart your own course in a way because you can't just move around.

Speaker 4 You are at the whims of the housing market. If you want to just leave, you might not be able to do that to go to another city, to go to another job.

Speaker 4 There are lots of limitations people don't think about. It all works out fine and dandy when the market is going up like crazy because you can kind of turn that in and you're getting tax incentives.

Speaker 4 The government's making this, encouraging you to do it, which is usually something that, you know, conservatives resist, you know, but it can work for a lot of people.

Speaker 4 It's great in a lot of situations, especially if you're going to stay in the place for a long time. And that, I think focusing on,

Speaker 4 you know, ownership status as the American dream is a bad thing. And that's one thing we do have to work on.
It's going to be hard to work on.

Speaker 4 The second part of it should be easy, which is trying to figure out what the solution to these problems are. And it's like, well, yeah, I mean,

Speaker 4 I think we can all agree that

Speaker 4 perfect capitalism, which of course we're nowhere near, but if some sort of capitalism is not going to, by definition, work for everyone perfectly. It's not what it's designed to do.

Speaker 4 It's supposed to be the best system for everybody to pursue happiness, right? That does not mean everyone achieves it. It does not mean everything's perfect.

Speaker 1 And this idea that...

Speaker 1 not everybody is willing or want. There are so many people that just want to go to work and then go home and live their life and they don't want to think about work.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, I think about work all the time. 24-7, I am thinking about work and what all of it means and everything else.

Speaker 1 That's not a price people all want to pay. You know, I don't get to, my wife says to me, I go on vacation, my wife will be like, stop working.
And I'm like, honey, it doesn't stop.

Speaker 1 It doesn't stop.

Speaker 4 I can't stop let me paint you a picture going on world does it with glenn beck uh to a uh supposedly enjoyable vacation where you're supposed to go relax you will not relax for a moment on that flight you will be cornered into an endless work conversation while you're trying to enjoy yourself this is true and i can attest to it but but okay but that provides a different lifestyle for me good and bad provides a different lifestyle and there's a lot of people that don't want that and i understand that and that's totally cool but it does you don't get the same equal outcome.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You know what I mean? And I think it's

Speaker 1 really, really hard their whole life and they still don't get the same outcome. As a massive

Speaker 4 difficulty of capitalism, I can totally admit that. There's tons of people that will work their asses off and try really, really hard.

Speaker 4 And likely, I mean, capitalism typically, in most cases, will provide a

Speaker 4 life that you, if you work your butt off and you really try your hardest, you can get by. It doesn't mean you're going to live the luxury life, but

Speaker 4 it might mean those things. But the part here that I'm trying to attack a little bit is, well, what's the solution to that?

Speaker 4 If you think the solution is the type of government that you described at the beginning of this hour when you were going through our torch history lesson here, of every single time

Speaker 4 socialism has been tried, it's failed miserably. Why on earth would the solution to whatever problems we have with capitalism be the form of government that has failed every single time?

Speaker 4 It's like saying, well,

Speaker 4 I'm going to the gym every day. I'm working out really hard.
I'm eating right. And I am not making the U.S.
Olympic team. Therefore, I'm going to amputate my left leg.

Speaker 4 Like, well, I can understand that maybe you're upset that you're not getting a solution out of

Speaker 4 the problem that you have might be real. Maybe you are working your butt off and you're just not cracking 10 seconds in the 100 meter.
That being said, amputating your leg will not help this.

Speaker 4 Amputating your leg will make everything worse,

Speaker 1 not only about your life, but also about your running abilities.

Speaker 1 Unless, unless, and this is the part that nobody understands or is willing to look at because they think that socialism is for the people and it's of the people and by the people, okay?

Speaker 1 They don't recognize this is to the advantage of the billionaires. It's to the advantage of those people who are in on it and will control everything.

Speaker 1 And so, yes, it doesn't make sense, Stu, unless you have all of the doctors who are in on it, who know we're just going to make so much money amputating legs.

Speaker 1 And yeah, everybody is going to be walking around Hubble, but they will have to, I mean, think of transgender surgery.

Speaker 1 They will have to come to us and the pharmaceutical companies for the rest of their lives. So unless you have

Speaker 1 a doctor society or an elite society that will say, no, no, no, Stu, amputating your leg is the right answer. It's the right answer.
Trust us,

Speaker 1 it might get tough, but it's going to get even better because you're going to be fair and you're going to run so fast.

Speaker 1 And then when it doesn't work out, all they do is they say, you know what, the problem is you have too many fingers on the other hand. Let me, you know what?

Speaker 1 And these people don't want you to take those fingers off of that other hand. And pretty soon you can't walk, you can't move, you can't do anything.

Speaker 1 And they have all of the control of your entire life. And you've set your whole life up to be a slave to them.

Speaker 4 Think of how aerodynamic.

Speaker 1 That's what people don't understand.

Speaker 4 What did you say? If we take all your limbs, think of how aerodynamic you'll be for that hundred years.

Speaker 1 Exactly. That's exactly how bad these solutions are for socialism.
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Speaker 1 It is the ruling class, the people that will make all of the money, that are selling you these same old tired lies because it always ends the same way.

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Speaker 1 All right, last week, we told you that the Blaze had an exclusive.

Speaker 1 It is out today, and it is pretty shocking, but we have to be very, very cautious on what we learned because, well, let me give you the story and you'll understand.

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Speaker 1 All All right, I want to take you back to January 6th. Actually, January 5th, the night before.

Speaker 1 Picture Washington as, you know, most Americans never see it.

Speaker 1 Cold, quiet, a city held together by marble and memory and the fading belief that people inside all of those buildings still serve the people outside of all of those buildings. It's January 5th, 2021.

Speaker 1 Lone figure in a gray hoodie slips through an alley near C Street. No face, no words, just movement.
A walk.

Speaker 1 A very distinctive stride. A slight limp.

Speaker 1 In the shadow of that walk, someone places what appears to be a pipe bomb next to the Capitol Hill Club. Minutes earlier, another

Speaker 1 device had been planted behind the Democratic National Committee. These two devices would become the invisible thread running throughout what would happen the very next day.

Speaker 1 Those Those two devices would pull police away from their post at the Capitol, drain resources, and fog the timeline just as Congress gathered to certify the vote and the crowd surged towards the Capitol.

Speaker 1 Also, something else happened.

Speaker 1 The vice president or the incoming vice president, Kamala Harris, would be called away from the Capitol, unbeknownst to anyone now. Why?

Speaker 1 She would be called away from the Capitol and she was put into the building right

Speaker 1 where the pipe bomb was sitting right in front.

Speaker 1 Now, for five years, this mystery sat there like a locked room. Nobody seemed able to open it, or maybe they weren't willing to open it.

Speaker 1 The FBI had said they conducted all logical investigative steps.

Speaker 1 They offered nearly half a million dollars in reward money, and yet, somehow, nothing, nothing, not a suspect, not a motive, not even clarity about the most basic facts, such as who found the bombs, why was the response team to the bombs so casual?

Speaker 1 Then something unexpected happened.

Speaker 1 Blaze News began to quietly gather some pieces, video fragments, security footage, non-public recordings, testimony from former FBI agents, interviews with intelligence contacts and then one of the strangest clues, a walk, a gait.

Speaker 1 Because in the shadows of these tapes, the unknown bomber had left behind the one thing a hoodie and a mask could not hide, the way their body moved.

Speaker 1 So Blaze News arranged for a forensic gait analysis. This isn't guesswork.
This is a scientific algorithm that compares the knee flexing, the hip extension, the step length, the cadence, and variance.

Speaker 1 It's like a digital footprint of how a person moves through space.

Speaker 1 Well, the software returned a 94% match between the bomber's walk and that of the walk of a former Capitol Police officer, who I'm not going to name here.

Speaker 1 And I'll tell you why I'm not going to name her here.

Speaker 1 When the analysts that were human They looked at it, they put the match closer to 98%.

Speaker 1 Now, let me stop here and tell you why I'm not telling you the name of this person, because a match is not guilt. A comparison is not proof.

Speaker 1 This person of interest is still a citizen whose life carries the same dignity and presumption of innocence as yours and mine. And I can't tell you what is true in this story yet.
Okay?

Speaker 1 I can tell you that it is whispering something, and it sounds a little like a scream, and we owe it to the Republic to listen to it

Speaker 1 because this person is not an unknown drifter. Okay?

Speaker 1 Let me just give you some of the things that make you go, hmm, that doesn't sound right.

Speaker 1 This individual served as a Capitol Police officer from 2018 to 2021.

Speaker 1 Right after, shortly thereafter, January 6th, she went to work as a security detail at the CIA.

Speaker 1 Wow, how did that happen?

Speaker 1 She's also a member of the Civil Disturbance Unit. She was one of them that trained officers on so-called less lethal weapons.

Speaker 1 Now, we told you in another story last week that these officers were using these

Speaker 1 less lethal weapons in ways that they are marked on the weapons. Do not fire at heads, faces, yada, yada, yada.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Well, the Blaze News investigation uncovered a video showing this individual using those weapons aggressively on the crowd on on January 6th in ways that apparently they say don't do it.

Speaker 1 And she is somebody who is training people. Now, none of that is conclusive, but pieces start to align in ways that demand scrutiny.

Speaker 1 Former FBI Special Agent Kyle Serafin recognized something else when he was presented with this evidence.

Speaker 1 He realized that he had been ordered days after January 6th to conduct surveillance on one door away from the address now tied to this individual. What they did was, remember, they didn't have any,

Speaker 1 I love this, all the surveillance video corrupted. All the

Speaker 1 cell phone GPS tracking for this pipe bomb thing,

Speaker 1 it was all corrupted.

Speaker 1 All of the license plate tracking in the city for the pipe bomb thing. Yeah, it was unfortunately, it was all corrupted.

Speaker 1 All of the video camera, everything, all corrupted. But somehow or another, they followed what they thought might be the pipe bomber to an address in Virginia, and they tracked him through the metro,

Speaker 1 the subway system,

Speaker 1 to Virginia and to a house that was next door to this individual with the gate. Okay?

Speaker 1 He thought he had, this was the epicenter of the entire case. And then without any explanation, he and his team were pulled off the assignment and he was told, quote, we're on it.

Speaker 1 Nothing to see here.

Speaker 1 Now,

Speaker 1 okay,

Speaker 1 what happened, though?

Speaker 1 Now, you can't accept any of this as,

Speaker 1 you know, damning evidence that is going to put somebody in jail, okay? But it also can't be dismissed because it's uncomfortable. Then there's the timeline of the bombs themselves.

Speaker 1 Investigators believe that the DNC device was retrieved and then replaced hours before it was found. So somebody put it there and then picked it back up and put it there hours before again.

Speaker 1 Security footage also shows Secret Service agents calmly eating lunch in their vehicle for two minutes after somebody came to the car and said there's a bomb right there underneath that park bench.

Speaker 1 The trains kept running. Pedestrians walked by.
School children walked by it. Okay? Traffic rolled past the bomb.
If it was a live bomb, that doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 1 If it was a dud or a decoy, somebody knew.

Speaker 1 Or these police officers are just completely incompetent. There's more.
FBI video appears to have been released with an artificially reduced frame rate.

Speaker 1 Why?

Speaker 1 This makes gate analysis nearly nearly impossible.

Speaker 1 So, Steve Baker from Blaze News, he acquired a clearer version from another source. The clearer footage produced the 94 to 98% gate match.
Now, this brings us to a place where

Speaker 1 we're at a crossroads here, gang, and it's not a partisan one. It's not a tribal one.
This is a constitutional death or life of the republic question.

Speaker 1 Because if these findings true,

Speaker 1 even partially, then the story of January 6th does not merely change, it shifts dramatically.

Speaker 1 The narrative that has been cemented for years

Speaker 1 looks like it's not true. And the American people have to confront the possibility that someone with a badge, a paycheck, and a government clearance may have played a role.

Speaker 1 I want you to be very, very clear on what I'm saying there. May have played a role in the most politically explosive event in our generation.

Speaker 1 Now, this cannot be sensationalized. You know, truth really never needs an accelerant.
I don't know if you've ever noticed that.

Speaker 1 So here's what has to be done. Prove it or disprove it.
No politics, no spin, no cable news war paint. Just the truth.

Speaker 1 Because trust in our institutions is hanging by a fraying thread and a republic can't function when its people suspect that those sworn to protect them may be shielding something or someone else if an innocent person is being dragged through the mud clear their name entirely publicly you know i just read in a story just a minute ago uh this person's residence in alexandria virginia appears to be under the watch of law enforcement officers on friday night blaze news editor uh in chief chris bedford was pulled over by local police after stopping to observe the home.

Speaker 1 He was then allowed to leave.

Speaker 1 The FBI, which failed to solve the case nearly five years in investigation but indicated that it was closing in after Blaze News brought its investigation to intelligence sources, was feet from the Falls Church address of the pipe bomb suspect days after January 6th.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 we have to be really careful. Nothing can happen to this individual.
Justice has to be done. Justice has to be done.
And if this person is involved, this person is at the very bottom of the ladder.

Speaker 1 I mean, it was not that person's idea. Okay.

Speaker 1 The last thing that can happen is for this person to be hurt in any way, shape, or form. This person should be protected 24-7.
And quite honestly, not by the FBI or CIA. Okay.

Speaker 1 If the evidence points to this person going in, then there's some questions that we have to ask, and I'm going to give those to you here in a second.

Speaker 1 But she didn't act alone if this happened. There had to be co-conspirators, conspirators inside or outside of the government, and every single last one of them needs to be located.

Speaker 1 This can't end with half-disclosures or vague statements about an ongoing investigation. So we can't.
You've had five years of that. The Republic deserves full light.
People deserve full truth.

Speaker 1 And justice deserves fairness that cuts in all directions.

Speaker 1 If the Blaise investigation is correct, the

Speaker 1 implications of this are absolutely enormous. This is the biggest story in my lifetime, maybe of the last 150 years.

Speaker 1 And if it's incorrect, then transparency needs to reveal that. But silence? No.
Evasion? No. A shrug from those in power? No.

Speaker 1 Because what that will do is confirm the deepest fears of a country already struggling to believe, and it will only create more conspiracy theories.

Speaker 1 This nation does not need vengeance. It doesn't need anybody riding off into the sunset with a posse.

Speaker 1 It needs clarity. It needs truth wherever it may lead.

Speaker 1 Because that's the only thing that will steady a republic trembling under the weight of unanswered questions for far too long.

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Speaker 1 Okay, so due process is really super important. I know you know that.
It's not a technicality. It's a guardrail that keeps a free people, you know, from walking over a cliff.

Speaker 1 And there is enough smoke in this January 6th pipe bomb story, the videos, anomalies, the investigative detours, the timing that defies common sense.

Speaker 1 And now the claimed gate match to demand fire inspection of the whole building, not just one apartment. Let's look at the whole building.

Speaker 1 Because if the allegation is false, then we need a full, transparent, expert-level investigation to say so publicly, persuasively, with the receipts out in the open.

Speaker 1 If it's true,

Speaker 1 then it almost certainly did not happen with this one person. And the American people deserve to see every single strand of the web no matter how high it reaches.
Because here's my fear.

Speaker 1 This story is not just about one person. This is about the cia completely being out of control not answering to anyone not the president not congress not to anyone

Speaker 1 either outcome real exoneration or real accountability strengthens the republic that's it the only thing that destroys it is fog

Speaker 1 we can't hear we can't comment on this uh-huh we pursued all logical leads did you

Speaker 1 meanwhile the basic questions sit unanswered and here they are. Why was the lower quality video released when higher quality footage existed? Why did they do that?

Speaker 1 Why were investigators reportedly pulled off a promising lead one door away?

Speaker 1 Why did the response posture around a supposed bomb look unusually calm?

Speaker 1 Now, none of that convicts a suspect. None of it.
Okay?

Speaker 1 Or a person of interest, because this person's not even a suspect. They're a person of interest.
But each unanswered question is another nick in the public's trust.

Speaker 1 That's what I'm concerned about, because we're running out of trust to spare. So let's set a standard worthy of a constitutional republic.
Should we? First prove or disprove completely.

Speaker 1 Not in a press release, not with selective screenshots, but with independent methods, first inquiry,

Speaker 1 give it to the public so we can audit.

Speaker 1 impound the originals, every frame of video with metadata, every dispatch, every log, every radio transmission, every device fragment, every chain of custody form, all of it.

Speaker 1 Publish what can be published, protect what truly must be protected, and bring in outside forensic analysts to test the video, the device components, and the timelines, the telecom data.

Speaker 1 And if it's all been destroyed, that's weird, isn't it? Now, if gate analyst

Speaker 1 analysis is being used, then show the software.

Speaker 1 Can we show the validation studies, the error rates?

Speaker 1 You know,

Speaker 1 can we do a bunch of look-alikes to see if it ever gives false positives? In plain English, just open the lab notebook. That's it.

Speaker 1 And then interrogate the timeline minute by minute, January 5th and 6th. Who was there? According to duty rosters, badge swipes,

Speaker 1 GPS pings, transit taps, camera sightings. I want all of it.
Who made the call to redirect or end the particular lead? And why?

Speaker 1 Get those decision makers on record, under oath, out in public. And if any of the agencies acted properly, well, the paper trail will vindicate them and we should all celebrate.

Speaker 1 And if they didn't, we'll know that too.

Speaker 1 Third, treat this as a system test, not a scapegoat hunt. If there was a hoax device, a staged distraction,

Speaker 1 or was it a compromised investigation? It's not enough to find one culprit. You have to map the network, the planners, the helpers, the lookouts, the decision makers.
Who said go?

Speaker 1 And anyone who

Speaker 1 slow rolled or buried the truth. If laws were broken, prosecute.
Policies were broken, fire those people and reform.

Speaker 1 If careers end over this, let it be because the facts required it, not because the narrative demanded it.

Speaker 1 And then the fourth thing, can they start speaking to us like we're adults? You know, if the devices were inert, say it and prove it. If they were viable, explain the forensics.

Speaker 1 If the video was down sampled, explain who did that, why. If an officer found a device, show the interview notes, the follow-up, the cooperation.

Speaker 1 Security is important.

Speaker 1 Secrecy has to be part of our government, but it is poison for legitimacy when it's abused. Remember,

Speaker 1 our whole way of life is at stake.

Speaker 1 They must

Speaker 1 solve and answer these questions. They must.

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Speaker 1 Stu, what do you make of this story that broke over the weekend?

Speaker 4 It's hard to know, right?

Speaker 4 We're at the beginning of whatever journey this is to understand

Speaker 4 who this is or whether this person is responsible for it.

Speaker 4 I think

Speaker 4 when it's something this serious, you want to make sure you understand every piece of evidence, right? Every piece, every lead. You track down every single lead when you have a case this serious.
And

Speaker 4 it's, of course, important for investigators to do that. And it seems like that's what they're in the middle of doing right now in this case.

Speaker 1 I got a phone call from a journalist this weekend that everybody would know. And my son said to me, who is that dad on the phone?

Speaker 1 I said, probably the best journalist in the world today, investigative reporter. And he was asking about this story.
And I said, honestly, I don't know.

Speaker 1 I saw the story when you saw the story.

Speaker 1 I said, I know, you know, they have been very careful and being very buttoned up about it. And I said, I'm concerned that

Speaker 1 it's only on this one person because I don't think it's just one person.

Speaker 1 This wasn't just somebody doing this. You know what I mean? If this story is true, that person

Speaker 1 was not just, hey, I've got an idea. I'm going to do this all by myself.
That's not what that is.

Speaker 1 And I fear for safety for anybody involved because I've seen enough movies with the CIA, they kill people like this. You know, that's a fall guy.

Speaker 1 And this individual said, I have it on really good authority, Glenn, that CIA is almost a government on its own. It's just, it doesn't have,

Speaker 1 it's not answering to the president, it's not answering to the DNI, it's not answering to Congress, it's just not answering, it's just doing what it wants, and it's a government on its own.

Speaker 1 That's really frightening if that's true. Now, he didn't give me any evidence of that, just said, you know, I have it in good authority, and I know who this guy is.
You do too.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 his word carries some weight, not enough to say, that's true, but enough to go,

Speaker 1 I'm concerned.

Speaker 1 And that's what this story really should be about. This story really can't center on that one individual.
It has to center on

Speaker 1 help me out.

Speaker 1 The Secret Service, they erased all of their audio, of their transactions, their phone calls,

Speaker 1 their radio,

Speaker 1 you know, calling back and forth. They erased all that.
They erased all of where everybody was.

Speaker 1 The phone system was corrupted at that location. All of the phone data was corrupted.
All the video is corrupted at that location.

Speaker 1 They only released what video they did have and very poor grain quality that we had to go search for. Why would you do that?

Speaker 1 You call off, apparently, you call off the search when you get to, because I remember that story.

Speaker 1 Do Do you remember they traced her all the way or traced somebody all the way to this house in Virginia? And then we never heard anything about it.

Speaker 1 Well, it was an FBI agent that did it, and he verified to the blaze, yeah, we

Speaker 1 it's the house next door to this individual. How did that happen?

Speaker 1 I mean, there's just so many things that just don't make sense. I'd like to know when did this person apply for a job at the CIA? Who hired her at the CIA?

Speaker 1 because

Speaker 1 she didn't do this on her own. If

Speaker 1 this person even did it,

Speaker 1 they didn't do it on their own.

Speaker 1 So, who hired? What role was she hired for? When did she get that? What were her qualifications? Did they know that

Speaker 1 we have her on tape at the

Speaker 1 January 6th,

Speaker 1 you know, a capital debacle

Speaker 1 firing, you know, these devices right in places. She's a trainer for this stuff, and she was using them in ways that everyone would tell you that you don't use it that way.

Speaker 1 That's extraordinarily dangerous. You want to start a riot or get people killed, you use it that way.
She was the one who was training people on this. She knows better than that.

Speaker 1 Why did that happen?

Speaker 1 I mean, there's just so many questions, but I don't,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 1 I don't trust the CIA. I don't even know if I trust, I don't know if I trust any of the

Speaker 1 agencies anymore. Do you?

Speaker 4 You know, no, I don't trust the government in any way, frankly. It's not even just those agencies.

Speaker 4 You have to go in with real skepticism.

Speaker 4 And like, you know, again, when you're looking at a case like this, you know, I think there was a piece of evidence a while ago, too, that we covered where, if I'm remembering the story right, right, they had these surveillance cameras that were important in the area, and then they were just pointed away the opposite direction when all of this was going down.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Exactly. Which is, again, very

Speaker 4 no one knows why, and they were just randomly pointed the opposite direction. All of this stuff points to something, and I don't really even understand what it is, honestly.
I don't know.

Speaker 4 I mean, maybe you have a more cohesive theory on what was happening in the middle of the moment.

Speaker 1 No, I don't have a theory. I have a movie script in my head.
That's what what I have. I can make sense of all of this if I'm writing a movie, and it's very believable.

Speaker 1 That makes it a movie. That doesn't make it fact.
Right.

Speaker 4 And so that's why, like, when it's a case like that, this is

Speaker 1 important, you look at all the leads.

Speaker 4 That's what they always say, right? Every time there's like, we are, every, we're investigating every lead, you wonder whether that actually happened in this case. It seems to not have happened

Speaker 4 for a four-year period, uh, beginning in 2021 and ending in 2025. Like that, there does not seem to be much of anything.
There were lots of people

Speaker 4 who were related to January 6th who were very,

Speaker 4 very seriously investigated, some of which did some violent bad things, some of which didn't do much of anything. And they had real crackdowns on them.

Speaker 4 And then this one case just seems to be floating out there the entire time. You'd think it would be the highest priority, right?

Speaker 4 We're talking about potentially a device of mass destruction placed near presidential candidates, right? Like this is a massive

Speaker 1 thing.

Speaker 1 Why did they have a pipe bomb placed right by the vice president? I mean, within feet of the vice president where she was, on January 6th.

Speaker 1 And no one in the Biden administration ever used that. Not once.
Not once did they say.

Speaker 1 and they were trying to kill the vice president really because i mean they used anything and everything now that could mean that they knew from the get-go that this was a training exercise i don't think it i don't think that makes sense but let's just say it was a training exercise gone wrong

Speaker 1 well then you you should have just come out and said that you wouldn't have put a you know five hundred thousand dollar reward for somebody who was part of a training exercise, right? No, no.

Speaker 1 I mean, why wouldn't you use that? To me, that just screams, somebody knew. Somebody knew something that we don't know.

Speaker 4 That is a very interesting point because we think of the people that they did call massive threats, people with horned hats on their head.

Speaker 4 Look, and I'm not someone who's saying there is nothing wrong with what happened on January 6th by any means.

Speaker 4 There were people who were doing bad things and did commit violent acts against police officers and all these other things that did happen. It wasn't wasn't as common.

Speaker 4 Certainly wasn't as big a threat as the civil war, as I believe was the case. The left was trying to make at the time.
But it was serious with some people involved in it.

Speaker 4 The most serious thing that occurred on that day has to be multiple bombs placed next to presidential candidates and vice presidential candidates.

Speaker 4 That has to be the thing that we would all kind of decide potentially the assassination of major government officials would be like central to the argument.

Speaker 4 And you'd think, considering how deep they went and how many claims they made about the seriousness of this day, that would always be a focus.

Speaker 1 Well, what happened with that?

Speaker 4 What happened with that? They would constantly be asking that question. And you're right.
They almost never bring it up. I don't know what that means.

Speaker 4 Again, just like all the disclaimers you gave when you gave the story, none of that adds up to some conviction. I don't have any evidence that says for sure what happened.

Speaker 4 But man, it makes you ask questions.

Speaker 4 What was the cause of that?

Speaker 1 It makes you ask questions, it makes the United States

Speaker 1 citizen ask questions. It apparently doesn't make anybody in the Intel community ask any questions, which is really makes me ask even more questions.

Speaker 1 I saw something, by the way, I want to take a quick break. I saw something out of the UK this weekend.
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Speaker 1 I don't know, he was like

Speaker 1 100 years old, and he was talking on Good Morning Britain about Remembrance Day.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 they asked him what he remembered, and he gave them quite a surprising answer. And I want to play that for you and then talk to you about it here in just a second.
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Speaker 1 So, there was a World War II vet on Good Morning Britain,

Speaker 1 and his name was Alex Penstone.

Speaker 1 They asked him about Veterans Day, and I want you to listen to his answer: Cut Six:

Speaker 7 What does Remembrance Sunday mean for you? What is your message?

Speaker 1 My My message is

Speaker 1 I can see in my mind's eye the rows and rows of white stones of all the hundreds of my friends and everybody else that gave their lives for what

Speaker 1 the

Speaker 1 country of today. No, I'm sorry

Speaker 1 the sacrifice wasn't worth the result that it is now.

Speaker 7 Oh, well, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 What do you mean by that, though, at this point?

Speaker 1 What we fought for,

Speaker 1 what we fought for, was our freedom. We find that even now

Speaker 1 it's

Speaker 1 darn sight worse than what it was when I fought for it.

Speaker 7 Oh, Alec, I'm sorry you feel like that because I want you to know that all the generations that have come since, including me and my children, are so grateful for your bravery and all that for service personnel.

Speaker 7 And it's our job now, isn't it, to make it the country that you fought for.

Speaker 1 You absolutely fought for.

Speaker 7 And we will do.

Speaker 1 I'm so wonderful to know there are people like you that spread the word around.

Speaker 1 We will do.

Speaker 1 This guy was amazing and sad, really sad to see.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 I think this happens

Speaker 1 to

Speaker 1 everyone when they live as long as he has. They will see things come back around because history repeats or rhymes at least.

Speaker 1 And here's a guy who paid with his friends.

Speaker 1 They paid everything for freedom.

Speaker 1 He paid for freedom for his generation, his wife, his children, now his grandchildren.

Speaker 1 And he didn't let us down.

Speaker 1 He didn't, I mean, he fought for it and he knew what it was.

Speaker 1 What happened was the younger generations and the politicians,

Speaker 1 we allowed ourselves to be convinced that it doesn't require any sacrifice. You know, sacrifice is no longer needed.
You know, it just happens.

Speaker 1 And you can keep it and have all of this stuff or whatever it is.

Speaker 1 He kept the world free for us

Speaker 1 to be able to forget

Speaker 1 and then get to the place to where we are now, having to ask ourselves, is it worth fighting for?

Speaker 1 Because that's what happened last time. They didn't know, was it worth fighting for?

Speaker 1 Nobody in the world wanted to fight. Nobody, nobody, nobody wanted to go to war with Germany.
They didn't see what it really meant. They didn't see what was really happening.

Speaker 1 And that generation went to war, fought, died in record numbers.

Speaker 1 And then they won that one war and we went right into a Cold War fighting another kind of enemy. And that just wore people out.
And when we won, in the end,

Speaker 1 when the wall finally came down and the Soviet Union collapsed, We all celebrated because we thought, oh, it's all finally over and we don't have anything to worry about because freedom is on the march.

Speaker 1 Freedom won. Freedom didn't.
Freedom never wins. It wins temporarily.
It has to be fought for in every, I mean, it's just, it's,

Speaker 1 it's like you never are going to be a great person. You're never going to be a great person.
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Speaker 1 Everything decays. Everything decays.
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Speaker 1 Well, you can work really hard to be Mother Teresa, but the minute you start going like, I'm Mother Teresa, don't you know how great I am? It starts to fall apart on you.

Speaker 1 It requires us to constantly be vigilant, and we weren't for a while. And now we just really do have to answer the question that we have to ask every time.
Is it worth it?

Speaker 1 Only a third of the people answered it that way for

Speaker 1 the

Speaker 1 independence movement in America. Only a third.

Speaker 1 A third of the people didn't answer. They were like, I don't care.
I just want to be left alone. And the third said, no, it's not worth it.
I'm fighting on the other side.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 it's never everybody.

Speaker 1 It's just, are we strong enough to fight for it this time?

Speaker 1 And better yet, to live for it this time, to be able to explain it, to refresh it, and to bring it back and really explain what freedom is really,

Speaker 1 why it's really worth it, to see it through his eyes. in today's generations.

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Speaker 1 You know, in 2009, I got all kinds of heat because one morning I went on Fox and Friends

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Speaker 1 I don't know exactly how to describe it. It's as if he has some real hatred for the white culture.
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Speaker 1 well, I got hammered for it, and I had absolutely no defense because I didn't know exactly what I was feeling.

Speaker 1 And it wasn't until years and years later that Christopher Ruffo showed up on the scene and started to explain what critical race theory was, because it was starting to go everywhere.

Speaker 1 That's when I understood that's what I was feeling from Barack Obama. I was, I didn't know about critical race theory.
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Speaker 1 Welcome to the program, Chris. How are you?

Speaker 1 It's good to see you. Chris,

Speaker 1 it's uh, it's good to have you, and uh, I watched your show this weekend. It's really, really good, really good, very smart.

Speaker 6 I appreciate that, and it's uh so great to be joining the team. I know you and I had gotten to know each other in 2020, 2021, when we were dissecting BLM and critical race theory.
And

Speaker 6 the country has come a long way since then, hasn't it, Glenn?

Speaker 1 In both ways. In both ways.

Speaker 1 We have seen such great improvement and such horrible

Speaker 1 backsliding as well or slipping into even more darkness. Would you agree with that?

Speaker 6 Yeah, I think in many ways, we resolved some of those issues on critical race theory, transgender ideology, DEI, and we're winning in the realm of public policy.

Speaker 6 The Trump administration has been stellar on these issues, really taking them down root and branch. And yet, there is this creeping feeling in the country that things are going wrong.

Speaker 6 And that's really what we're trying to tease out. And I think the best way of thinking about this new Blaze show is that we're trying to reveal the unseen forces.

Speaker 6 that are pulling the country in various directions and figuring out what it means.

Speaker 1 So me let me talk to you, and you talked about both of these,

Speaker 1 but let me flesh this out with you a bit.

Speaker 1 First of all, you know, we have made some, the Trump administration is doing some great things, especially when it comes to social

Speaker 1 issues. We have really teased that out, and I think we're in the midst of killing it, hopefully, and returning to some common sense.
However, we have socialism on the rise like crazy, and I'm not sure

Speaker 1 I understand how to fight this because it's not just a lack of knowledge, although that plays a big role.

Speaker 1 It is also a lack of anything

Speaker 1 seemingly new on the Constitution side.

Speaker 1 Does that make sense?

Speaker 6 Right. I think there's two ways to look at it, and some of it is bad news, but I think there's a silver lining here as well.

Speaker 6 The first very narrow way to look at it is that someone like Zoran Mamdani, an avowed democratic socialist, there's clips of him talking about seizing the means of production,

Speaker 6 any kind of left-wing fad, you know, he's all over it. But I think that's limited to very few geographical locations.
It can win in New York City, but probably not even New York State.

Speaker 6 It likely could win in Seattle or Los Angeles or San Francisco, but unlikely even in left-leaning California. And so I think we should discount it in that way.

Speaker 6 These are highly ideological, socialistic programs that are winning campaign messages in limited places.

Speaker 6 The bad news, though, is that the broader economic picture is causing real anxiety, real frustration, real fear.

Speaker 6 And, you know,

Speaker 6 I'm not an economist, but it doesn't take a PhD from University of Chicago to realize that prices are going crazy, housing is going crazy, higher education is going crazy, and as life gets more expensive and median wages don't keep up, you're going to have not just liberals, but even conservatives, especially young people, saying, hey, wait a minute, we were promised a dynamic economy, we were promised upward mobility,

Speaker 6 but what we got is $15 eggs.

Speaker 6 And that's going to be a problem. And I don't know if conservatives have figured out how to solve it or even how to start thinking about it.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 that is my point. I'm going to release a poll on Wednesday that shows some pretty stark things.

Speaker 1 27 respondents who said they voted for Trump in 24, in 2024, said they would like to see a Democratic socialist candidate on the 2028.

Speaker 1 51% of all young voters, 52% of voters say they have a very favorable or somewhat favorable impression of socialism in Zoran Mondami,

Speaker 1 Asked about Mondami's government's housing, and this is just all across the country. This is not just New York.
62%

Speaker 1 say they strongly or somewhat favor them. Also asked about the government grocery store plans.
58% of young voters say they support it.

Speaker 1 74% of young voters said yes when asked, how's the cost of housing in America has it reached a crisis level to you? I mean, if we don't come up with the solutions, actual solutions that

Speaker 1 are new in its approach that separate it from the crony capitalism,

Speaker 1 we're in real trouble.

Speaker 6 I think that's right. And of course, part of this is just supply and demand, right?

Speaker 6 You want to have more supply of something like housing to meet demand or even exceed demand so the price starts to bend downward.

Speaker 6 But I think this is at heart a money supply problem, a monetary problem. We've been

Speaker 6 running the money printers on full blast since the Great Recession in 2008. It's been a very long time.
It got even worse after COVID.

Speaker 6 And all of these dollars are out there chasing assets, especially assets like housing. And so it's good for people who have owned their house

Speaker 6 and are watching the values go up, but it really is bad, especially for younger people that are trying to get in the market.

Speaker 6 And it's really bad overall for the country because it's distorting all of these economic signals. And the bad news is that it doesn't seem like anyone is willing to do what is done.

Speaker 6 And in the eighties, of course, you had Fed Chairman Paul Volcker, who jacked up interest rates, engineered a kind of controlled recession and then stabilized the monetary system.

Speaker 6 It doesn't seem like the kind of prudent, long term thinking policymakers are even considering such an option, but instead they're just trying to keep jacking up valuations and then celebrating

Speaker 6 those top-line numbers.

Speaker 1 That's not going to work in the end.

Speaker 1 You also talk about in your first episode, you talked about, and I was fascinated by it, the division that is being sown now on the right.

Speaker 1 And I find this probably one of the most disturbing trends

Speaker 1 because

Speaker 1 I think I understand it. And

Speaker 1 Yashur Ali tweeted, from Glennbach to Bill Maher, the number of commentators who simply do not understand this moment of what making Nick Fuentes, Candice Owens, and Tucker Carlson popular is astounding, but not surprising.

Speaker 1 The way they're responding to Nick, Candice, and Tucker is not dissimilar to seeing Jeb Bush respond to Donald Trump in 2015.

Speaker 1 I don't think he even listens to me. I don't think I fit in that, but maybe I do.
What am I missing?

Speaker 6 No,

Speaker 6 I don't think so. I think that's a bit of a cheap jab.

Speaker 6 But what I think is happening is, okay, at heart, you know, Candace Owens has all sorts of, you know, I mean, really deranged and lunatic conspiracy theories, seemingly on every topic.

Speaker 6 She is kind of spinning conspiracy theories and intimating, at least through kind of insinuation, that maybe Israel had something to do with even Charlie Kirk's assassination.

Speaker 6 There's, of course, no evidence of that. And in fact, all of the evidence that's been marshaled so far paints a very simple story.

Speaker 6 A young man who was involved in a relationship with a transgender furry, captured by left-wing ideology on the internet, shot Charlie Kirk and was arrested shortly thereafter. But

Speaker 6 it's important for those of us on the right to not take the bait. In one hand, you can debate Candace Owens and say that this is way out of line and that she's crossed over into

Speaker 6 kind of illegitimate territory. But the problem with that moral argument is not that it's wrong, it's obviously correct, but there's no actual remedy for this.

Speaker 6 20 years ago, 30 years ago, certainly 50 years ago, the right could successfully kind of gatekeep or maintain responsibility in the narratives by, for example, saying you can no longer write for national review.

Speaker 6 There were downsides for that. Some good people were purged from the right over time, but there was a sense there could be some narrative discipline.

Speaker 6 So, someone who is legitimately far beyond the bounds of reasonable discourse and who is really a net negative for the movement, I would put Candace Owens absolutely in that category.

Speaker 6 Well, with the internet,

Speaker 6 there's no method for kind of restraining those impulses.

Speaker 6 There's no method for the right to maintain discipline. And so, what you have is.

Speaker 1 And I don't want to.

Speaker 1 I don't want to.

Speaker 1 Exactly.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 The freedom of speech.

Speaker 6 Yes, exactly. But, I mean, certainly, you know, you had freedom of speech 30 years ago.
It's really about freedom of association. And so a magazine can choose with whom they want to associate.

Speaker 6 You know, I want to associate with you. You want to associate with me.
We're working together. But if someone were to go, you know, way out

Speaker 6 into some ideology that is no longer oriented towards truth or no longer useful for a political movement, you can disaffiliate. The problem is that the Internet creates not only

Speaker 6 the good thing is that it creates a kind of an even playing field for all entrants.

Speaker 6 The bad thing is that sometimes the most kind of conspiratorial ideas, the most deranged ideas, the most lunatic ideas can gain a huge audience.

Speaker 6 And so as Candace has spun out away from reality, paradoxically, she's had

Speaker 6 a bigger audience than ever. And those of us who actually care about people who are listening to this and being misled, we're left with very few options.

Speaker 6 And so I think that's what really the right is facing right now.

Speaker 6 How do we deal with ideas that are plainly false, that are plainly destructive when they're coming from, you know, in theory, our own side?

Speaker 1 I think you point them out. I mean, I really don't know.
We've not faced these kinds of problems before, but I know the one thing I do not want to do is get into speech police.

Speaker 1 That's not something I'm ever interested in. I agree, you know, association.
I don't have to associate with you, but I also don't need to try to put you out of business. I can correct things.

Speaker 1 But I think what's being said, though, is that we don't understand what's making, you know, Nick Fuentes

Speaker 1 this popular guy right now. So let me take a quick break and maybe I can hit it with you one more time.
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Speaker 1 So is there any more to that,

Speaker 1 Chris? We're talking to Christopher Ruffo. Is there any more to that

Speaker 1 than what you just said? What am I missing that's making him so popular?

Speaker 6 Well, I think what he's done quite skillfully is

Speaker 6 go directly at all the soft spots and all of the taboos. And so in the digital economy, the best way to get attention is to cause controversy.

Speaker 6 And the best way to cause controversy is to go at any kind of taboo.

Speaker 6 And so you have someone like Fuentes, and to a lesser extent, someone like Candace Owens, you know, going at every taboo, you know, Holocaust denial, you know, expressing support for Hitler.

Speaker 6 I mean, it's really juvenile eye-poking that gets a rise out of people on the left because it's useful for them.

Speaker 6 They can say, finally, we've been saying that the conservatives are Nazis for the last 10 years and finally we have

Speaker 6 seemingly a real Nazi. But also for people on the right who are just kind of emotionally manipulated, they're so scared of

Speaker 6 being called a Nazi or they're so scared of crossing kind of proprieties that they reflexively and emotionally go out and denounce this kind of performance.

Speaker 6 And look, they're right on the moral questions, but they're not necessarily being sophisticated tactically because the more hysterical you react, the more emotionally you react, the more you're actually just driving attention to the phenomenon.

Speaker 6 And so the best reaction is when someone comes out and says, you know, I love Hitler, you say, all right, buddy, you're being a kid, you know, joke's over, moving on, and just coolly, calmly react,

Speaker 6 react to the situation and don't feed it with hysteria.

Speaker 1 So we're talking to Christopher Ruffo, host of the new Blaze TV show, Rufo and Lomez. It premiered on Friday.

Speaker 1 One last thing. I think we have about three, four minutes left.
You talked about Cheney, I think, the way I talked about Cheney.

Speaker 1 You know, I liked Cheney on some things, but he really was the architect of all of the things that we now look at and go, don't do that.

Speaker 1 You know, he gave us the Patriot Act. He gave us the Endless Wars.
He gave all of these things to us. And there were some good things about Dick Cheney, but those were not one of them.

Speaker 1 Have we learned our lesson?

Speaker 6 Well, I think we're, you know, very interestingly, we are re-litigating these questions right now as we speak. And there is a struggle in the conservative movement and within the Republican Party.

Speaker 6 Do we continue with the Trump-style foreign policy of restraint and

Speaker 6 kind of

Speaker 6 tactical violence, you know, for example, the Iran,

Speaker 6 successful Iran nuclear attack, or do we revert or snap back to the pre-Trump neoconservative approach, which in retrospect was such a disaster?

Speaker 6 It doesn't work, and yet there are many people within the Republican Party in particular who seemingly want to go back to that and they reject Trump's foreign policy. So this is a real question.

Speaker 6 And I think the passing of Dick Cheney, of course, condolences. We don't, you know, we always express condolences of whatever side.
Sure.

Speaker 6 But I think it is a moment where we should consider the last 25 years.

Speaker 6 Basically, my entire adult life has been a negotiation over these questions.

Speaker 6 And I think, you know, Trump's foreign policy is really the most successful aspect of his, you know, two presidential terms. I think he's been absolutely brilliant, 10 out of 10.

Speaker 6 And And I find it so odd that we're debating these questions now. And I think the very clear answer is, whatever Trump is doing, let's continue.

Speaker 1 Exactly right. Christopher, so great to have you on and great to have you part of the Blaze.
Blaze TV host, Christopher Ruffo. Also, his show is called Rufo and Lomez.

Speaker 1 And it's a great show.

Speaker 1 You don't want to miss it. You'll find it wherever you find any Blaze TV show.
And you can go to Blazetv.com and sign up now and join the movement, Blaze TV. Christopher Ruffo, Rufo, and Lomez.

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Speaker 1 Robbie Starbuck is an interesting guy. He once directed Oscar-winning actors, some of the biggest music stars in the world.
He started seeing the threat of Marxism to America.

Speaker 1 His family had fled Cuba, and so he knew what he's seen, he's seen this movie before.

Speaker 1 So he started standing up in 2015. He endorsed Trump.
Hollywood didn't like that. He's gone on to, he is a major force in getting transgender surgery and hormones for children in Tennessee banned.

Speaker 1 He helped pass the law to put the death penalty on the table for child rapists in Tennessee.

Speaker 1 He also did a documentary, The War on Children, which I think had 60 million views after Elon Musk said, you really need to watch this.

Speaker 1 And then he had a problem with Google AI. Google AI started coming after him and said all kinds of really

Speaker 1 horrible and specific things that he had been,

Speaker 1 you know, charged with sexual assault and child rape and abuse and fraud and stalking and all kinds of stuff from Google AI.

Speaker 1 He finds out about it and he engages with Google AI and it just keeps doubling down.

Speaker 1 He's now in a lawsuit

Speaker 1 and we wanted to have him on because I saw something last week that shows that Google AI apparently is still using me as some source on some of these allegations.

Speaker 1 Nope, wouldn't be me.

Speaker 1 Robbie, welcome to the program.

Speaker 6 Thanks for having me, Glenn. Yeah, you were one of of the sources cited.
And so this is one of the crazy parts of what has happened.

Speaker 6 Google AI has been inventing these lies about me that have no basis in reality. I've literally never been accused of or charged with any crime ever, let alone this crazy stuff.

Speaker 6 But during this time period, AI transitions from Bard to Gemini and Gemma, right? Gemini and Gemma started doing something very different than even Bard did. And it was...

Speaker 6 It started inventing actual articles and references to videos, links, fake links, to real media personalities and media outlets.

Speaker 6 And it would even make headlines or give summaries of what these people said. So in your case, it said that you had reported on sexual assault allegations against me by women.

Speaker 6 And these are not just saying a sexual assault accusation. It has names of victims, it has fake police records it invents, fake court records it invents, beyond these fake articles from real media.

Speaker 6 So it goes so detailed into this, it will list out evidence that doesn't exist, investigations by police departments that don't exist, and it just doubles down when you press on it.

Speaker 6 And this comes, you know, some people might be saying, well, what are you saying to the AI to get this out, right?

Speaker 6 We've posted examples where people have posted or asked questions as simple as, tell me about Robbie Starbuck, and it immediately dives into saying that I am accused of sexual assault. And so

Speaker 6 you go and you say, hey, where's the citation for this? Give me sources. Give me only facts.
It will double and triple down.

Speaker 6 And if you say, hey, those links you gave me do not work, it has even gone so far as to invent and fake an entire media article under a real journalist's name to pretend that it was printed and somehow, for some reason, has been taken down from the media outlet's website.

Speaker 1 That is crazy. Crazy.

Speaker 1 Can we,

Speaker 1 Stu, we just asked Gemini.

Speaker 1 Tell me about the sexual assault allegations of Robbie Starbuck. And here's what it just said.

Speaker 4 Well, and I asked asked it specifically, what did Glenn Beck say about those sexual abuse allegations? It said it was unable to find any specific statements by Glenn Beck addressing these allegations.

Speaker 4 And I asked what the abuse allegations were.

Speaker 4 Gemini now says that it was fabricated and was disseminated by Google's AI platforms.

Speaker 4 And I said, well, wait a minute. Google AI platforms were the problem.
Isn't that you?

Speaker 4 And it said, that is an excellent and relevant question. You are correct to notice the connection.
So

Speaker 4 apparently it's been corrected at this part, right?

Speaker 6 You're a smart guy. No, so here's where Google ends up in a really, really precarious position in this lawsuit.
So they have corrected their phone app, right, and the main website for Gemini.

Speaker 6 However, they've got a major problem. So their AI Gemma has been downloaded 150 million times, and they're not all connected to the internet.
Google cannot force updates to to those AI downloads.

Speaker 6 So Gemma will essentially seemingly defame me for life as a byproduct of that. And then Gemini as well, same issue.
They released wild models of Gemini into the public sphere.

Speaker 6 So if you go on one of those AI websites like there's LLM Arena where you test different AIs against each other and you ask those versions that are wild downloads of it, you're going to get a bunch of this crazy stuff.

Speaker 6 You go, you know, on any application application that was built with these as a bedrock that allows you to ask questions about somebody, you're going to get the same stuff. So I want you to think

Speaker 6 down the line here, right?

Speaker 6 If somebody built an app with reputation scoring for insurance risk and they built it using, let's say, Gemma, and it's feeding information about specific people, you know, you very quickly start to understand there's many different situations where this can affect somebody's life in a million different ways.

Speaker 6 And, you know, the real problem here is we don't have a standard as a first principle with AI that it can't harm humans. And that's really the thing that we have to fix.

Speaker 6 Because if it can do this to me, it can do this to anybody. It can do it to your sons, to your daughters, and it can ruin their lives.

Speaker 6 Because AI is dominating in many different industries and it will dominate. It's here today.

Speaker 6 So what we have to ask ourselves is, Are we protecting our kids and grandchildren from the downstream effects of AI that believes it is okay to harm humans, whether that be by defamation or physical harm?

Speaker 6 And it's very easy to imagine a future after seeing what happened to me where, you know, a nice guy with the wrong politics is lied about by the dominant AI and makes him unemployable because whenever somebody researches him, the AI is feeding out a background check that says he's an accused rapist and supported the KKK and so on and so forth.

Speaker 6 That's another one of the lies that told about me, which would be strange as a Latino. I kind of felt like Dave Chappelle in that skit where he's Clayton Dixby.

Speaker 6 You know, he's like the black KKK member. I was like, well, that would be strange for me as a Latino, but it sticks to this and it genuinely believes this stuff.

Speaker 6 And that's what's really scary: it's creating this base of knowledge that I refer to as the roots of the tree, right? And this tree is growing right now, and it's going to be a big part of our world.

Speaker 6 And we're either going to allow that tree to have poisonous roots that makes everything it bears poisonous, or we're going to say, hey, no, we've got to build this very carefully so that it does not do this to humanity.

Speaker 1 So, my

Speaker 1 I think think the most

Speaker 1 important question I could ask you is, how are you not

Speaker 1 my richest friend at this point?

Speaker 1 How do you not own Google at this point, what they've done to you? How is this not just really simple?

Speaker 6 So you're friends with Elon Musk, too, right? So I think you'll always be our richest friend.

Speaker 6 Well, you know,

Speaker 6 aside from that, you know, I will say this, you know,

Speaker 6 our lawsuit, even people who don't like me, they read it and they're like, damn, you guys got them. I mean, this is, it's very clear what they did is wrong.
There's no skating out of this.

Speaker 6 And that's even with the public figure, you know, sort of a threshold.

Speaker 6 Because for those who don't know, there are a different standard for how public figures are treated in defamation cases versus somebody else. you have to prove actual malice or gross negligence.

Speaker 6 In our case, we notified Google for two years that this was happening and asked them to stop it. They did not stop it until at least with the app and the website very very recently over this last week

Speaker 1 everything else over the last wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute over the last week

Speaker 6 yeah I even after we filed the lawsuit it was still happening on their main platforms so this is something that like we had to go out there and I had to make this go viral for them to pay any attention to fixing it finally but for two years they were not engaged by just just me notifying their executives and Google employees talking directly to me.

Speaker 6 Even you'll see in the lawsuit, one of the Google employees that was working with us two years ago on trying to get this fixed, she resigned, okay, and,

Speaker 6 you know, apologized for not being able to get this fixed.

Speaker 6 But then, you know, I bring in Dalen Law Firm and they sent multiple cease and desist letters to Google, and Google essentially just couldn't be troubled to fix the problem, which makes you wonder, what was the real intention of this?

Speaker 6 Was this a dry run at destroying a reputation so you can use it in elections?

Speaker 6 Because Glenn, you know as well as I do that the swing seats in our country determine power in our country, which party controls it.

Speaker 6 So I want you to imagine in a generation now where so many people more than ever are just relying on an AI or the internet to say, hey, what's the difference between these candidates or who should I vote for?

Speaker 6 And imagine it spits out that the Republican candidate in every swing seat is an alleged criminal.

Speaker 6 And every Democrat has a fluffed up resume where the horrible things they've done, if you ask about it, it'll say, oh, no, that's a lie. That's a lie.
That's not true.

Speaker 6 Those are Republican Republican talking points. It's a grand Republican conspiracy.
Very easy to see where AI flips elections and decides control of our country.

Speaker 1 I can't. I mean,

Speaker 1 I honestly, Robbie, I thought this had been solved,

Speaker 1 you know, months ago, months ago. I didn't know that up until last week this was still going.
I mean, they don't have. They don't have a leg to stand on.

Speaker 1 Your attorneys must be like, I'm never going to work again.

Speaker 6 That's right. Well, the wild downloads will seemingly do this forever.

Speaker 6 In our estimation and the AI experts we've talked to, there's no way that we've found for Google to be able to force an update to these things.

Speaker 6 I mean, I'm open to hearing differently, but we've talked to some of the biggest experts in the country and they're like, no, there's no way.

Speaker 6 A bunch of these models aren't even connected to the internet. And they're used to build a lot of the bedrocks of things people use, including medical devices, law enforcement, all types of things.

Speaker 1 So there's a million more.

Speaker 6 But in terms of damages, you know, like if we go all the way to trial, a jury seemingly doesn't have a limit as to what they can assign as punitive damages because you've got to remember, Google is the fourth largest company in the world.

Speaker 6 So if you want a company like that to learn a lesson, the only way to do it is to slap them with damages that they never want to happen again, right?

Speaker 6 So that's our hope is that they're going to be held accountable and that we're going to change the rules and set the precedent here so that there is a first principle with AI that it can do no harm against humans.

Speaker 6 And if there is some massive damage at the end of this that is assigned to me and I'm paid out by, I plan to use that, you know, in good stewardship, right, to help humanity to be able to navigate these waters and ensure that we have AI that's fair and unbiased.

Speaker 1 And remember your good friend that never said anything bad about you on the air ever, not once.

Speaker 1 That's true. That's true.
You'll get a very nice business.

Speaker 1 Wow. Where is this going to be? Where is the trial going to be? Please don't say California.

Speaker 6 No, not California, Delaware. But we just got our judge assigned.

Speaker 6 And, you know, I really feel like this is one of those cases where no matter where you are, you know, there's the appeals process and things like that.

Speaker 6 And at the end of the day, in the highest courts, when you look at this case, I mean, I don't see how any judge, even one that really dislikes me, looks at it and finds a way to get rid of it.

Speaker 6 And that's the thing. I mean, what they did is so egregious, it has to be answered for in some way.

Speaker 1 And especially since it will never, ever go away. They've got to find a way to purge that stuff.
They have to.

Speaker 1 I mean, you know, maybe they made that mistake this time, but that can't be made a second time. I mean, that destroys people forever, forever and ever and ever and ever.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 That's a big part of our goal is making sure this doesn't happen to anybody else.

Speaker 1 Well, I'm glad it's finally stopped

Speaker 1 and to some extent. And we'll be following.
Thanks so much, Robbie. Appreciate it.

Speaker 6 Thank you, Glenn. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1 Welcome to the Glenbeck program. One of the things that's trending today is the shutdown.
Is it over?

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 is it over?

Speaker 1 First of all, the whole thing was kabuki theater. It was just to get the, it was just to get past the election to show the real, real lefties that we're tough on the right.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 is it over? Well, if they sign a new deal, it's only an extension until January. For the love of Pete, I can't take it.
I just can't take it. But is it over, Stu?

Speaker 4 I think it's going to be over for a short period of time, but it never really was real anyway. This is all theater, and it was theater from the beginning.

Speaker 4 I think the Democrats got what they wanted out of this, I think, honestly. They saw, I think, correctly, that there was an upcoming election that they needed to inspire their base for,

Speaker 4 particularly one

Speaker 4 in Virginia, where a bunch of people will be laid off, and you know how the media is going to translate that to them. They're going to say it's the Republicans' fault.

Speaker 4 So the fact that they were able to get through an election like that and then immediately afterward changed their tactic completely, knowing they were never going to get these health care things they were asking for.

Speaker 4 I don't know. I think it worked as planned for Democrats.

Speaker 1 You know, it's interesting to me that, I mean, we now know what they're capable of doing, and they will destroy the economy to win the election, and it's justify the means.

Speaker 1 And the,

Speaker 1 you know, the Democratic Socialists,

Speaker 1 they're not Democrats, for the love of Pete. They are not Democrats.

Speaker 1 They don't have the same values that you have. And I just really want to have health care that's affordable.
That's not what they're about, for the love of Pete.

Speaker 1 And that's who's really running this party. The real, real left extremists.
And,

Speaker 1 you know, they will destroy the economy to be able to save socialism. They will.
They will. They will do it.
But part of that, don't we understand? They will do it.

Speaker 4 The problem is they'll do it if they succeed as well, right? Like if their plan actually goes through and wins, they'll also completely destroy the economy. So you have a tough choice there, Glenn.

Speaker 4 Do you want the economy destroyed, or do you want the economy destroyed? And those two choices are very difficult for people on the left. I'm not sure which one of them is.

Speaker 1 It's almost like the left always does. It's a win for them,

Speaker 1 but if we do the opposite, it's also a win for them. Hello,

Speaker 1 McFly.

Speaker 1 All right, we'll see you tomorrow. God bless.

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