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Well, here we are on Monday. I got a lot to talk to you about.
I can't believe we're back on Epstein again.

Speaker 1 I mean, we have really bad signs, economic signs, coming our way.

Speaker 1 And to show you how powerful it is, Donald Trump said over the weekend, you know, maybe we can lower some of the tariffs to help prices, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 1 I mean, the guy believes in tariffs, and he's even saying now, you know, we can maybe do some things here to, you know, help ease the pain by lowering some of the tariffs.

Speaker 1 What's really happening in Venezuela? What's really happening all around the world?

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Speaker 1 We're going to tell you, try to, what's really going on. You know, when you watch the news,

Speaker 1 you're not watching the news, what's really happening. You are watching the reflection of a plan.

Speaker 1 We'll talk about that a little bit, but also what's actually happening. And we'll do that beginning in 60 seconds.
First, right now in Ukraine, there are elderly people

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Speaker 1 Hello, Stu. How are you? Good, Glenn.
How are you?

Speaker 1 Good. Besides football, anything exciting happening in your life this weekend?

Speaker 3 Are you talking, when you say football, are you talking about the Eagles' victory over the Detroit Lions last night? Is that what you're talking about?

Speaker 1 I specifically said anything other than that. I was just trying to clarify.

Speaker 3 I was just trying to clarify.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 Sure, you were. Yeah, yeah.
Sure, you were.

Speaker 1 Yeah, anything, Do you do anything, anything exciting? I had a whirlwind weekend.

Speaker 3 I had a weekend. I got to go to the hospital, which was fun.
I was a little spending time. My son got a little injured.

Speaker 1 Okay, is everything okay?

Speaker 3 He's okay. He was climbing a fence and fell and

Speaker 3 punctured his leg, which apparently is just a giant bag of blood.

Speaker 3 I mean,

Speaker 3 these things happen.

Speaker 1 He's 14 years old. There are muscles and stuff in the leg.
I don't think, not his. I don't think your leg is.
His is just all blood.

Speaker 3 Because I pulled up to this place where it had happened, and he had been sitting on this,

Speaker 3 you know, like a pillar.

Speaker 3 He was sitting up there

Speaker 3 until the

Speaker 3 ambulance came.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 3 I didn't think it was that big of a deal. And I pulled up, and it looked like there was a human sacrifice on the top of this pillar.
The entire side, it looked like it was out of a horror movie.

Speaker 3 It was just blood.

Speaker 3 It was a terrifying moment, but he's still in the middle of the day.

Speaker 1 Any of your kids ever had a head wound

Speaker 1 of any kind?

Speaker 1 They have to have like five stitches in their head. It's like all of the blood in their body has just been gushing out.
Gushing out. Their head bleeds a lot.
Yeah,

Speaker 3 I hate to start a week this way, but yeah,

Speaker 3 when he was a little kid, he had like stitches right near his eye, and

Speaker 3 it was just absolutely horrific.

Speaker 3 It scars people more than it scars them.

Speaker 1 It does. It does.
And you get used to it.

Speaker 1 You have a few kids. The first kid that happens to, and you're like, Bag of blood.
No, he was hemorrhaging to death. I'm telling you, you got to get here right now.

Speaker 1 After like two or three kids, you're like, yeah, he's fine. Give him a band-aid.
What are you complaining about? Have some water. Maybe some orange juice.

Speaker 3 Yeah. He's still bleeding, sure, but don't worry about it.

Speaker 1 It'll eventually close. It's fine.

Speaker 3 So that was my weekend. You had a big one, though.
You had a much happier weekend, it seemed like. I saw you with your daughter.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was yesterday, was with my daughter for the premiere of her movie that she is in, her first movie. And it was really exciting.

Speaker 1 It was really cool to be at a premiere and watch it in a theater.

Speaker 1 But also Friday, I spent time with about 500 state legislators from all over the country and learned an awful lot and

Speaker 1 saw what they are going through and

Speaker 1 their thought processes. And we have time.
I'll talk about that.

Speaker 1 Also, oh, Saturday.

Speaker 1 Saturday, I spent a few hours with the CEO of Cracker Barrel.

Speaker 1 Now, that was interesting. I bet that was.
That was interesting.

Speaker 3 You had a conversation with me.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 I had a great conversation. it's gonna air well it's in two parts uh

Speaker 1 I talked to the they they have like a historian at Cracker Barrel that is in in charge of everything around the walls of Cracker Barrel and so I went into their

Speaker 1 gigantic warehouse of American history and it was I mean it was candyland for me um

Speaker 1 but it wasn't really candyland for the see for the CEO uh and you'll you'll see um

Speaker 1 yes I did make her cry. Oh, good.

Speaker 1 Of course. Of course you did.
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Speaker 1 are you surprised at all that you haven't been fired?

Speaker 1 It was a very frank conversation, and she was very frank as well.

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Speaker 1 on her answers and what happened.

Speaker 1 You're going to have to decide for yourself on

Speaker 1 whether or not it was good enough. I mean, I pushed her.
I pushed her. It'll be up to you to decide how you feel about it.

Speaker 1 But, you know, everybody else at Cracker Barrel, they're all, they're all, I mean, salt of the earth people, you know, and it's just like,

Speaker 1 you feel bad because they are just

Speaker 1 really struggling because of this, really struggling. And, and, and if she said, I'm really, really sorry once, she said it a million times.

Speaker 1 I'm really, really sorry I take all responsibility for this I'm really really sorry

Speaker 1 but you'll see that this week on the Glenbick podcast I think

Speaker 1 all right now

Speaker 1 Jeffrey Epstein's back in the news today

Speaker 1 could we just for the love of Pete release everything that we have so we can move on from the Jeffrey Epstein thing here's the answer. No.

Speaker 1 Even if we release everything that we still have, this is going to go on for the rest of our lives. It will always end probably into our children's lives.

Speaker 1 Do you know Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump were the reason we never went to the moon? It's going to happen.

Speaker 1 It's just one of these conspiracy theories that will never ever go away. Why? Because no one was honest about it in the first place.
Once you start to lie, you lie once, once.

Speaker 1 If you're a very honest person, you will lie once, and then people were like,

Speaker 1 why would you lie about that? What is going on? He's not like that. But if you're the United States government, you already have no credibility whatsoever.

Speaker 1 Stop. lying to the American people.
Just stop it. You know, I said something a minute ago.
One of the reasons why you're hearing lies is

Speaker 1 because it works to the advantage of a color revolution.

Speaker 1 You know, there are reasons why people are lying to you. Some of it, they're just dirtbags and they're liars.
Some of it is just they're politicians and so they're liars.

Speaker 1 Some of it, however, a good deal of it is we lie. because we know it causes damage to the credibility of this entire system.

Speaker 1 We know it does damage to the culture of America. And we are here trying to destroy the culture of America because we want to try something new.
And the only, you won't vote for it.

Speaker 1 So the only way we can get America to change and do something entirely different that they will never vote for is just to cause chaos and disbelief in everything.

Speaker 1 So, as I said a minute ago, you know, it's not the news.

Speaker 1 Many times it's a reflection of a plan.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 when it comes to the Epstein thing, this is absolutely a plan. The way this thing has been played out, Democrats are completely against bringing anything out about Epstein.

Speaker 1 They don't want to do anything about it. The media, do you remember the ABC

Speaker 1 anchor that went into a commercial break? And she was like, you know what? I got to tell you, Epstein. You know, we had the goods on him, dead to rights, Clinton, all of it.
And we were told, pull it.

Speaker 1 Do you remember that? Remember that, gang?

Speaker 1 They pulled it at ABC.

Speaker 1 I think they fired the person who tried to, who released that video or tried to fire the person.

Speaker 1 I think they either were working then over at CBS or whatever, but that person was in trouble for releasing that behind the scenes tape. They had no intention of it.

Speaker 1 Now, everybody wants the Epstein tapes. Wait a minute.
You didn't want them when Biden was in and and you could have said something, Democrats, and you could have released it all.

Speaker 1 And you know what's funny is it is just so full of stuff about Donald Trump. Then why wouldn't they release just that?

Speaker 1 Why wouldn't have the Democrats released anything in the Epstein file? You're telling me they're like, we got to find something on him. Hey, I've got the Epstein file.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 We got to find something on him. Hey, I've got some information here about Epstein, Him and Epstein, they were fooling around.
Yeah, shut up for a second.

Speaker 1 Is there anything at all that we can construe and manufacture about his banks?

Speaker 1 I know. He's got a secret signal between his bank and the Russian bank.
I've got stuff about the Epstein.

Speaker 1 Come on. If they had stuff about the Epstein, they would have gone.
to the stuff about the Epstein files. They don't have anything.
They don't have anything.

Speaker 1 Now,

Speaker 1 let me speak directly to conservatives. They're not going to release anything about the Democrats because they had the Epstein files.
Do you think that,

Speaker 1 let's just say,

Speaker 1 I'm not even going to name names.

Speaker 1 Let's just say the most powerful people on the earth, the most powerful people with powerful connections to government, they knew their names were, you know, there on little, you know, guest books at the island or whatever.

Speaker 1 You don't think they called in some favors and said, hey, I need that. Can you remove that?

Speaker 1 You don't think that there were people that were like, hey, you know what? We'll remove that. We need $100 million from you to help out on this campaign.

Speaker 1 I mean, whatever it is, those names are gone too. They're gone.

Speaker 1 How do I know this? Because the government is completely dishonest. That's how I know that.

Speaker 1 But anyway,

Speaker 1 now Donald Trump.

Speaker 3 You don't think anything of interest would be in these files? I mean, I think we've already seen some stuff of interest in the emails, no?

Speaker 1 I think there is stuff of interest.

Speaker 1 I don't think that there is going to be anyone at a very high level that is going to get, that's going to be like, holy cow, look, here's pictures with him with a 14 year old girl it's not going to happen that stuff at least at the upper level is not there now here's what is interesting

Speaker 1 the timing of the release of a few documents last week the Democrats release some documents

Speaker 1 and they release them at the same time that Johnson was saying, by the way, we are going to expedite the releasing of everything.

Speaker 1 So there's no reason to leak anything, but the Democrats decide to leak some stuff. They leak a memo.
And in that,

Speaker 1 oh my gosh, look at what was said.

Speaker 1 What was said in that memo?

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 it was said,

Speaker 1 you know, the only dog that hasn't barked is Trump.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 what did he mean by that?

Speaker 1 He's keeping it quiet. All of these things, all these innuendos and everything.

Speaker 1 Well, now we know from a guy who wrote the book, All the President's Women, Donald Trump and the Making of a Predator, that guy came out this weekend and said, no, no, no, that's not what he meant.

Speaker 1 What did he mean?

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Speaker 1 So, Barry Levine comes on and he's on MSNBC this weekend. And he's asked, so tell me, I mean, we saw this email between you and Epstein.

Speaker 1 What did he mean when he said the dog that hasn't barked is Trump? What do you think he's referring to?

Speaker 1 Okay, what was he referring to?

Speaker 1 I think Epstein is referring to the fact that he believed that Donald Trump talked to Michael Ryder, who was the Palm Beach police chief in 2004 and began the first investigation into Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 1 So in other words, he was the whistleblower.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but he's got all kinds of stuff in his, in Jeffrey Epstein's black books. He's the whistleblower.

Speaker 1 The one thing you don't do is blow the whistle when you know you've got fingerprints all over the dead body and the handgun that killed him.

Speaker 1 You know what? I think you could find that handgun in this alleyway.

Speaker 1 Your fingerprints are on it, man. Why would you blow the whistle?

Speaker 1 The suspect,

Speaker 1 he said, I suspect that Jeffrey Epstein was saying he was 75% there, believing that Trump might have been the whistleblower at the time. He believed it 75%.

Speaker 1 Now,

Speaker 1 how do you release something? I mean, if you think things are going to be released that are going to get Donald Trump, why would you release that?

Speaker 1 Where after two days of it being out, the guy who was part of that email who hates Donald Trump is like, yeah, that's not what it means. It means he was the whistleblower.

Speaker 3 That is interesting. And I will say, you know, it is, it's amazing that that's what they released and chose to release.

Speaker 3 That's another, that's the same email, by the way, that you're mentioning that they

Speaker 3 blacked out the name of

Speaker 3 Virginia Duffrey, which they did intentionally because she has said that he was nothing but respectful and never was with any of the girls at all in not only her book, but also in testimony under oath.

Speaker 3 And the other one that they released, which said

Speaker 3 Trump,

Speaker 3 he says, of course he knew about the girls, was the other big one that they released, which they left out the,

Speaker 3 I mean, they didn't leave it out, but they just hoped you didn't focus on the next part of the sentence, which he says,

Speaker 3 of course he knew about the girls as he asked Jelaine to stop.

Speaker 3 which would indicate even if he was aware of this, which I don't think this had anything to do with the sex stuff. I think this was about him

Speaker 1 girls from Mar-a-Lago, the employees he knows that we're poaching these girls doesn't mean he knows what they're he's doing with them stop taking my employees right okay yeah now if you suspect he's the whistleblower and he knew you were taking employees from him you know in retrospect you know looking at it later you go like oh man he's the whistleblower but he also knows about the girls he knows we were taking them does he know what we were doing with the girls

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 this does not hurt Donald Trump. It helps Donald Trump.

Speaker 3 Well, what about the one where they released from Jeffrey Epstein, where he said, I've met some very bad people and none are as bad as Trump.

Speaker 3 I mean, what if they come up with bad comments from Jeffrey Dahmer about Donald Trump?

Speaker 1 What will you say then?

Speaker 1 This is so dark. I've eaten some bad eggs in my life, but I would not eat Donald Trump.
I'll tell you that right now.

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Speaker 1 Jesse Jackson is on life support

Speaker 1 over blood pressure issues. Apparently he was hospitalized last week for a neurological condition.

Speaker 1 He's 84 years old, and we wish him and his family the best. Jesse Jackson was,

Speaker 1 I mean, he was there with Martin Luther King. The famous picture of Martin Luther King down and Jesse Jackson on his knee

Speaker 1 is emblazoned in my head.

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Speaker 1 Nicki Minaj.

Speaker 1 I'm uncomfortable even just saying that. It's like, why is Glenn Beck saying Nicki Minaj?

Speaker 1 Nicki Minaj and the UN Ambassador, Mike Waltz, are going to the UN

Speaker 1 to address the United Nations on November 18th in New York. Now,

Speaker 1 seen a lot of people speak at the UN. Nikki Minaj is not one of them that I ever thought would speak at the UN.

Speaker 1 However,

Speaker 1 I think this is so great.

Speaker 1 Nikki Minaj, Stu, I'm pretty sure she's never said a nice thing about Donald Trump, right?

Speaker 3 Not that I remember.

Speaker 1 I can't say I'm fully up to date on all of her commentary on politics but yeah i don't remember anything but i'm pretty sure she's not necessarily on the bandwagon for uh donald trump um

Speaker 1 she is

Speaker 1 going there with donald trump's u.n ambassador to speak about religious persecution and the christians in nigeria

Speaker 1 This is something that I think is so good and healthy. Two people from opposite ends of the spectrum.
You know what I I mean? I think she's pretty,

Speaker 1 I could be wrong, but my memory here is that she's pretty far left

Speaker 1 and not a fan of Donald Trump. Great.
She put those differences aside. Donald Trump and his ambassador put their differences aside to come together on one thing that they agree on.

Speaker 1 Hey, we shouldn't kill Christians. What do you say?

Speaker 1 Well, I can we all agree on that one.

Speaker 1 Yes, I think this is a really, really good sign myself.

Speaker 1 So I

Speaker 1 welcome Nikki Minaj,

Speaker 1 and I'm glad she's speaking at the UN.

Speaker 1 Weird to say thing.

Speaker 1 I mean, we are friends with and saying things that you never, ever thought that would come out of your mouth, but we're in such strange times. You're like,

Speaker 1 yep. That one now makes sense.

Speaker 3 It's probably a good way to do business, too. I mean, I think, you know,

Speaker 3 we've seen this before, right? Kim Kardashian,

Speaker 3 she was big on the, what was it, criminal justice reform and made a big deal about that and was able to work with the White House, even though I'm sure she doesn't agree with him on most things.

Speaker 3 I mean, even you see it with Fetterman, I think, right?

Speaker 3 Like the fact that Fetterman doesn't constantly trash every Republican and call them the worst people on earth is enough for, I think, a lot of senators and constituents to be like, I kind of like the guy, you know, and maybe I'll work with him a lot.

Speaker 1 It's because he's become the old school Democrat.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? Even though I don't, I'm not sure what his policies are right now. I don't think his policies are old school Democrat, but his approach at least is old school Democrat.

Speaker 1 Look, at the end of the day, he's a good guy. We disagree.
And that's really critical and important that we do. I mean, remember, when was it, Stu, that I went and met?

Speaker 1 I had a secret New York meeting with the head of GLAAD.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I remember, were you in on that meeting? I was in the fair. No, I do remember it, though.

Speaker 1 And I think everybody that was there does or anywhere around it.

Speaker 1 I asked her to come over to my office and she comes over along with a couple of aides and they're sitting in my office and I'm like, look.

Speaker 1 We have nothing in common. We don't agree on really...
We can argue about wedding cakes until the cows come home.

Speaker 1 I want to talk to you about the persecution and execution of gay people in the Middle East. I don't know.
I think that's kind of a big one, bigger than wedding cakes and something we can both,

Speaker 1 yeah, both agree on and actually

Speaker 1 make an impact. Wedding cakes will just keep us divided.
Standing together and saying, hey,

Speaker 1 I have my view. He has his view.
They're completely different. But one thing that brings us together is gay people shouldn't be executed.

Speaker 1 Wouldn't do it. Wouldn't do it.
And that is,

Speaker 1 those are the kinds of things we need to fight.

Speaker 1 That's how Tip O'Neill and whoever was against Tip O'Neill could argue all day and then go out and have drinks. Tip O'Neill and who was it? Kennedy.

Speaker 1 They just go, they well i mean kennedy

Speaker 3 was the one talking about that right back in the day i i i too think that yeah but it was but yeah it was being able tip o' neill and reagan oh i guess he was tip o'neal was a democrat wasn't he yeah so hard to think of tip o'neal as a democrat now these days yeah no what's interesting these days what do you think about this because it's interesting i think the american people tonally want that right like they want the idea that their representatives are adults and they get together and they can handle each other having different opinions and they can work through that and come to some sort of conclusion that's good for the American people.

Speaker 3 Like we all, in theory, like that idea. But I think what we see often, the way that that works out is people become friends with the other people on the other side of the aisle.
They go get drinks.

Speaker 3 They wind up being like, ah, well, you give me this thing. I'll give you that thing.

Speaker 3 And there's horse trading and it winds up, you know, essentially in corruption, right? Like, that's the way a lot of times those relationships end

Speaker 1 so i've always had a problem with playing the game i don't like playing the game because for me it's not a game and so i've had a problem playing the game but that's not what the american people want they they want people to be able to connect on principles principles what are the big things i was speaking to these legislators um

Speaker 1 um on friday and they're from all over the country they're senators and representatives from all 50 states, about 500 of them. There were people from

Speaker 1 states

Speaker 1 that were in the same caucus. They would not sit at the same table with their state.
And I was like,

Speaker 1 so I'm giving my speech and I sense that there's some division, you know,

Speaker 1 and I said, hey, let's do something.

Speaker 1 If you believe in all men are created equal and endowed by their creator, governments are instituted among men to protect those rights, the Bill of Rights, and you don't have to give me all 10, give me eight of the 10 Bill of Rights, and you believe follow the Constitution.

Speaker 1 Will you stand up? Well, everybody was standing up.

Speaker 1 Okay, everybody's standing up. I'm like,

Speaker 1 what the hell are you arguing about right now?

Speaker 1 What are you arguing about? Because those are the things at stake right now. These are the big ticket items.
Are we going to be a constitutional republic?

Speaker 1 are all men created equal should justice be equal do you have a right to your religion do you have a right to free speech these are the things that everybody's concerned about these are the things that are setting everybody's hair on fire you all agree in this room

Speaker 1 what are you doing what why are we arguing Now, if you don't believe those things,

Speaker 1 I can't go out and have drinks. Well, I can't go have drinks for a couple of reasons one of them gets very ugly but uh

Speaker 1 uh i can't i can't go out and have drinks with you i can respect you i can then fight you and in in every way i know how verbally to say he's wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong this takes us away from the constitution and the principles that we all find self-evident but if you agree with those things

Speaker 1 I can argue about tax policy all day long and be fine.

Speaker 1 And that's that's where you don't mind the horse trading sometimes is, look,

Speaker 1 I want this,

Speaker 1 you want that. How about we compromise?

Speaker 1 Okay, because compromise is required in politics. It's required.

Speaker 3 It's the whole function of it. I mean, the whole point is it was created so that we could argue about issues and not murder the other tribe.

Speaker 1 That's actually

Speaker 3 why

Speaker 1 it exists in the first place. That's why it was invented.

Speaker 3 Yes.

Speaker 3 It's interesting. I wonder if,

Speaker 3 and I don't want the Democrats to think of this right now, and there's no way they would implement it right now, but like, I do wonder if you find yourself in a situation that the Democrats are in right now, out of power, like the standard way they are handling it is act as if Donald Trump is the worst person on earth and he is actually having sex with 14-year-olds, with Jeffrey Epstein, and all the things that they say, he's Hitler, all these things.

Speaker 3 That's their typical approach. And I don't know, I don't, I don't, I think they would look back at this era if they were being honest and say that that approach was not a fruitful one for

Speaker 1 just as business people. Yeah, just as business people.
If your business is

Speaker 1 politics and getting elected. Yeah.
What a stupid, stupid move.

Speaker 1 All it does is juice up your base and that's it.

Speaker 3 But like if they, if, let's just say, because this is going to happen at some point, this is scary to think about, but this is going to happen in the next 10 or 20 years.

Speaker 3 There's going to be a period in which Republicans are totally out of power again. We don't have the House.
We don't have the Senate. We don't have the presidency.

Speaker 3 And there's going to be a decision for us to make. It's the same thing.
I mean, do we come out and just call the person Stalin or whoever, whatever we want to say? Or do you like, do you do,

Speaker 3 I'll call it the Kim Kardashian approach. Do you pick?

Speaker 3 Two to five issues in which you think you can actually move the person and try to work with them to get a goal done and realize you're going to fail on a lot of the stuff that you want for that period, but push on a couple of things you might be able to move on.

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And, you know, can we get to a point to where we can compromise again? And yes, we can.

Speaker 1 And it's good to do that. The problem is, is you have to understand who you're compromising with.
For instance, I can compromise with an old school Democrat. Okay.

Speaker 1 It's very clear now, you know, the mask is off. If you are,

Speaker 1 I want to follow your words and your actions. I want to see who your friends are.
You know,

Speaker 1 if you're standing and defending BLM and Antifa and you're bailing people out who burned Minneapolis to the ground or broke into Macy's and was stealing stuff, I'm sorry. I know who you are.

Speaker 1 Your actions tell me everything. Your friends tell me who you are.

Speaker 1 If you're for not legal immigration, but ordered immigration, legal ordered immigration, and you want more immigrants in than anybody else, that's fine. I can compromise with you.

Speaker 1 But if you say open borders is healthy for a nation,

Speaker 1 you can't be illegal by crossing a border, and you're denying that this is causing all kinds of economic hardship, et cetera, et cetera, I can't compromise with you.

Speaker 1 If you're saying capitalism is dead, and socialism is the answer, there's no compromise with you because you and I have different goals.

Speaker 1 I want to heal the country I want to make the country better by using the system we have you want to overthrow the system so I can't compromise with you and the same thing goes with the with the with the right

Speaker 1 on

Speaker 1 this whole Israel thing look I can compromise with you I don't you don't need to agree with me on

Speaker 1 because I probably mostly agree with you on what America should do for Israel I just say just stand with the Jewish people. Let's not start hating Jewish people again.

Speaker 1 But that doesn't have anything to do with your opinion on whether we support them, sell them stuff, give them stuff. We can talk about that all day long.
That doesn't make you an anti-Semite.

Speaker 1 But the minute you're like, you know, Hitler was misunderstood and Stalin was pretty neat, I'm out. I'm out.

Speaker 1 I have nothing in because that's too big of a cornerstone for me. I can't compromise with you because I don't trust anything else you say because of that.

Speaker 1 You're for BLM knowing that they want to dis knowing that they want to dismantle the nuclear family, knowing they're in bed with, you know, all their, their BLM Inc.

Speaker 1 and George Soros and everybody else is involved. No, that's too big of a hurdle for me.
I can't get past that because if you believe that.

Speaker 1 I don't trust anything else you say because you're for the dismantling of the family.

Speaker 1 So we just have to find people who actually believe

Speaker 1 in the things we all used to find self-evident. That's what we should be asking people.
You know, what do you find self-evident? Do you hold these things to be self-evident?

Speaker 1 Because if so, we can talk.

Speaker 1 But, you know, if you're like, nope, the Declaration or the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, it doesn't mean what it says. And by the way, Hitler is neat.
I'm out.

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Speaker 1 Scott Jennings, welcome to the program. How are you?

Speaker 5 Sir, I'm great. It's an honor to be with you.
I've been a longtime fan and an admirer of yours, and to be with you today is very special for me. So thanks for the invitation.

Speaker 1 Oh, my gosh. Well, you are more than welcome.
I have to tell you, you know, I just was about to say, I don't know what your life is like, but I know exactly what your life is like

Speaker 1 as I worked there. And it was a lonely, lonely place.
But you are doing an amazing job, really an amazing job.

Speaker 5 Well, thank you for saying that. And I have to say,

Speaker 5 you know, I credit CNN for creating this 10 o'clock debating show where I most often appear and giving a conservative a chance to fight it out.

Speaker 5 And I think PV is kind of boring when it's just six people sitting around. congratulating themselves on increasing levels of smugness.

Speaker 5 I think a little debate and a little common sense injected into some of the conversations and a little reframing of some of these debates is exactly what they need.

Speaker 5 And I think there's a hunger for that kind of content out there. So I'm glad they're doing it.
And it's a privilege to have the seat right now.

Speaker 1 So are the days you walk away go,

Speaker 1 I just can't do it. I mean, there has to be.

Speaker 5 Well, I occasionally meet people who say crazy things. I was on not too long ago with a guy.
who was a real-life ear truther. He did not believe Donald Trump had been shot in Butler, Pennsylvania.

Speaker 5 And he said to me live on the air, well, I wasn't there. How am I supposed to know?

Speaker 5 And I thought, this is who I'm dealing with. And I think I debate people who, if not but for being contractually obligated to do so, wouldn't know or interact with a single other Republican.

Speaker 5 I'm the only one they know. And so

Speaker 5 I think if you're interested in popping ideological bubbles like I am and like I know you are, it's a good thing to do. It does make me shake my head, but

Speaker 5 I do think there's value in us. I mean, I believe in our ideas, and I think if our ideas get out to more people, more people will gravitate to our cause.

Speaker 1 I agree.

Speaker 1 All right. So let's talk a little bit about the book, Revolution of Common Sense.
You say that your dad was the first one that said Donald Trump's going to win. And this is early on.

Speaker 1 You laughed it off, says he's not going to win. Is that true?

Speaker 5 I did. That's absolutely true.
My father was the biggest Clinton Democrat I knew. I come from a family of Democrats.
He was a factory worker and a garbage man.

Speaker 5 And even though I was a Republican political operative, my dad was a Democrat for a long time. But in 2014, 2015, my dad was telling me it's going to be Trump.

Speaker 5 And I, like everybody else who'd been trained in the old ways, was like, you know, come on, dad. And he turned out to be right.

Speaker 5 But he was sort of the leading indicator for me about what was going to happen in middle America.

Speaker 5 All these working-class Americans who live in hollowed-out communities that feel like the political elites had left them behind. That was my dad.
And he was speaking to my dad.

Speaker 5 But as you know, he was speaking to millions of people.

Speaker 5 And he defeated the the Republican establishment, then he defeated the Democratic establishment, and it was because of people like my dad who recognized in him.

Speaker 5 We're trying to hire somebody to smash these guys who've forgotten about us and crushed us. And my dad knew it.
My dad knew it.

Speaker 5 And it's not the only time in my life where my dad was right and I was wrong. I can tell you that.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 You spent a lot of time with Donald Trump when you're writing this book. Did you know him beforehand?

Speaker 5 I did not. I met him really for the first time in February when I pitched him on the book and and got to observe him in action in the Oval Office.
I flew with him.

Speaker 5 It's funny. He kind of dominated every conversation I've had in my professional life for the last 10 years, but I didn't really know him.
But I did spend some time with him in the White House.

Speaker 5 I flew to Michigan with him on his hundredth day in office. And he gave a speech in Michigan that day, and he said something true to his inaugural address.

Speaker 5 He said, whether you're on the left, or whether you're on the right, whether you're in the middle, it's just common sense.

Speaker 5 And I think the rebranding of the party as the common sense party has allowed so many more people in. I think it's one of the most genius political marketing moves in American history.

Speaker 1 It's amazing because he's not,

Speaker 1 he's not saying, he's not necessarily making a case for being conservative or anything else. It's just he is fighting for the things that we all used to think were like, yeah, well, that makes sense.

Speaker 1 I mean, no, that's a dude. He can't shower with my daughter.
You know, it's that kind of stuff that should be really uniting. Why is he, why do they hate him so much?

Speaker 5 Because I think they believe, the left believed that they had control of all the institutions, universities, media. They were even taking control of corporate America.

Speaker 5 And you look around at all the institutional strength in our country, the left had been on a long project to co-opt, infiltrate, and take these things over.

Speaker 5 And Donald Trump, and of course, while doing that, they make you believe things. You have to accept that, you know, you can wake up and change your gender one day.

Speaker 5 You have to accept, you know, the DEI nonsense. You have to accept our radical ideology, or we'll ostracize you from this institution, or we'll crush you.

Speaker 5 Trump shows up and says, I'm just not going to put up with it. And there were millions of Americans who were dying for someone.

Speaker 5 to try to restore sanity to these, I think, conversations that you rightly say just used to be common sense.

Speaker 5 He said what everyone else was thinking, but everybody had been basically made too afraid to say because of punishment, cultural punishment.

Speaker 5 Trump was their champion, and he still is today, and that's why he has a base that's never going to leave him because he knows, they know that he is going to never, ever back down to this mob that's trying to turn everything upside down and tell you right is wrong and left is right and red is blue and up is down.

Speaker 5 That's what they want, and he will not allow it. And whoever we nominate next cannot allow it either because they will come right back.

Speaker 1 What do you think his strongest ability is?

Speaker 1 And the one that maybe is

Speaker 1 something you're seeing coming on the horizon. You're like, ah, he's got to be paying attention to this.
He's got to fix this.

Speaker 5 Well, I think this artificial intelligence conversation, he has a really strong handle on. I think he knows we cannot allow the Chinese to control this conversation.

Speaker 5 I think he knows what we have to do on the energy front to win this conversation. And so I think his vision on that, when we think about legacy,

Speaker 5 this may be some of the most consequential policymaking that he does. I also, frankly, just think his vision.

Speaker 1 I told him that I thought he was going to be remembered as the AI president, and he said, no, I'm not going to be.

Speaker 1 That's not my thing. Well,

Speaker 5 I asked him

Speaker 5 maybe a month ago, you know, do you consider the AI race to be your space race? You know, is this that big? Is it your Cold Cold War? And he said, it's all that wrapped up and more.

Speaker 5 And so I, I don't know. I get feeling

Speaker 5 he is increasingly understanding that the decisions he makes today, the course that we set today, will determine.

Speaker 5 So in 10 years and 15 years, when we control this and when it's the free world that's on top of the AI situation and not the communist Chinese, it'll be because of Donald Trump.

Speaker 5 And so I think he's setting all that in motion today.

Speaker 5 I also think what he's doing in the Middle East and standing up to the the barbarians, I mean, it is amazing to me the propaganda campaign that went on after October the 7th and how the West, Western governments and Western media sided with the barbarians.

Speaker 5 I mean, if you go there and listen to what happened, and it's been total propaganda, but Trump had total moral clarity on this. He's standing up to the people who would leave this world in darkness.

Speaker 5 ideologies that are the enemy of human liberty, and he knows it, and he's been totally clear on this. And so I think, too, you know, occasionally someone has to stand up and say, no, enough is enough.

Speaker 5 And he did that and he did it strategically at the right time. I think it's going to pay dividends for years to come.

Speaker 1 Spending the time with him, what did you feel was

Speaker 1 something that maybe surprised you and something that you think, gosh, if America just understood this one thing, it might change things?

Speaker 5 Well, the caricature of him would lead you to believe that he is not a good listener or that he is not someone who absorbs a lot of information that informs his opinion.

Speaker 5 I came away with a totally opposite review. I watched him listen to people having debates.
He asks questions. He kind of lobs in his views.

Speaker 5 But he really does absorb, I think, these debates among this excellent cabinet and this excellent staff that he has. And then he makes a decision.

Speaker 5 What's great about this president versus the last one is he's decisive. You know, once he listens and takes in everything, he makes a decision, and that's what they do.

Speaker 5 Biden was famously indecisive, which leads to weakness, which of course leads to the disaster of that administration. But Trump doesn't suffer from this.
That's number one.

Speaker 5 Number two, this man is genuinely funny. He is warm.
He is hospitable.

Speaker 5 You know, talking about my dad, when we were together once, he had his hat on, his famous red hat, and he said, Do you want my hat? And I said, no, but I know someone who does.

Speaker 5 It was the first man to ever tell me you were going to be president.

Speaker 1 And he said, sounds like a smart guy.

Speaker 5 And

Speaker 1 he he took the hat right off his head.

Speaker 5 And so he's actually a warm, nice, funny person. And of course, the caricature of him painted by the media is that you wouldn't believe that.
And I lived through this when I worked for President Bush.

Speaker 5 They caricatured him as a dole.

Speaker 5 Totally not true. They caricatured Dick Cheney.
They caricatured Mitt Romney. They take our Republicans and they turn them into something they're not.

Speaker 5 And, of course, that's the power of the left when they control cultural institutions.

Speaker 5 So, you know, I think they've done it to Trump to some degree, but, of course, his personality tends to cut through the clutter sometimes.

Speaker 1 You'll be surprised. Next time you see him, it could be a year from now, and he's going to ask you how your dad was.

Speaker 1 You watched him? I know.

Speaker 5 I watched him interact with people in that way. It is an innate political talent, and the good ones have it, and he has it.
He does care about people.

Speaker 5 I watched him do it, and he's loyal to people, too.

Speaker 1 What do you think

Speaker 1 the thing that is happening now that should be being paid attention to, that maybe the media is missing?

Speaker 1 What's the thing that's most overblown and most underplayed?

Speaker 5 Oh, gosh. Well, I think the thing we ought to be paying attention to on the left is the energy and the radicalism on the left.

Speaker 5 You know, the elections the other day, I said on CNN that night, I thought this was the beginning of the end of Chuck Schumer, but it's really the beginning of the end of any semblance of any shred of the possibility of returning to sanity in the Democratic Party.

Speaker 5 I mean, look how they treat John Fetterman for simply occasionally saying something that's basic common sense or having a backbone.

Speaker 5 The energy in the socialist, radical socialist movement on the left is real. Happened in New York.
It happened in Seattle.

Speaker 5 They elected a mayor out there who lives in her parents' basement, but got elected on the power of a socialist agenda.

Speaker 5 AOC is the leader of this faction. Bernie Sanders is the intellectual godfather of it.
And these people will change America. They think the American experiment was rotten at its core.

Speaker 5 They think it ought to be ripped out root and branch and replaced with something that neither you nor I would recognize as American.

Speaker 5 They fundamentally hate the system that we have lived with for 250 years in this country. And I don't think we can understate how much energy they have.

Speaker 5 on the left right now and how much momentum they're feeling.

Speaker 5 And so I know we talk about it, and we've talked about the the rise of socialism before, but the urgency of it right now, as we head away from the Trump era and we get into an open presidential election in 28, we cannot allow our country to be taken over.

Speaker 5 So that's number one. Number two, on what's being overblown,

Speaker 5 I think the Democrats trying to pin the affordability tail on Donald Trump is the most laughable thing I've ever heard. They took prices to the moon.
Gas was $5, grocery prices, healthcare craziness.

Speaker 5 They took prices to the moon, and they want to pin this on Donald Trump or pin this on Republicans? Give me a break.

Speaker 5 And so the media buying into this is totally overblown, but we have to fight back hard or we're going to have a rough ride in 26.

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Speaker 1 What are your thoughts on the Epstein Epstein garbage?

Speaker 5 Well, look,

Speaker 5 I mean, I'll be honest. I agree with the president that this has largely been co-opted by the Democrats just to tie him up.
I don't think there's a shred of evidence that he's done anything wrong.

Speaker 5 I'm for transparency if it makes sense, and I'm for holding people to account if they got away with something, absolutely.

Speaker 5 But I do think the Democratic energy on this, and I see Rokana and others on TV making a big deal out of this, it's all all just about trying to tie up Donald Trump for another day, another week.

Speaker 5 And so, you know, they're going to have this vote. I guess it will pass, and we'll see what comes out.

Speaker 5 I think the Democrats are going to be disappointed.

Speaker 5 They want some smoking gun against Donald Trump that he did something untoward. I think it's going to be the opposite.

Speaker 5 We're going to find out he did nothing, but there's a bunch of prominent leftists that maybe did. And so it may come back to bite him on the rear end, candidly.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 are you generally, you know, looking at what happened with the socialist votes and the way that's going, I mean, I look at that, and I think this is exactly what you were saying.

Speaker 1 You know, I said in 2004 when they let Michael Moore into the presidential box, don't let the socialists in. You think you're using them as fuel.
They are going to come and they'll eat you in the end.

Speaker 1 They are using you. And I think the Democrats are being eaten by that.

Speaker 1 But with the financial situation, and it could hopefully get better, but it could get worse.

Speaker 1 You've got 44%

Speaker 1 of young people now saying that they want socialism, they like socialism.

Speaker 1 What happens in the next two elections?

Speaker 5 Well, you know, I think one

Speaker 5 thing is we have to make an effective argument against it, and we cannot give in to the to playing footsie with any of this.

Speaker 5 I mean, I think sometimes in politics, there are people who come along and say, well, if we just give in here, give in there, maybe, maybe they'll think we're nice enough and they'll come at, no, this is a fight.

Speaker 5 This is a debate. This is a fight.

Speaker 5 And so we just have to win it. I also think as people get older and, you know, the instinct is maybe to have a family and a job, you start to leave some of the silliness behind.

Speaker 5 And I think that is true. But we, but that relies on us making an affirmative argument about why

Speaker 5 Raising families is good, about why being productive citizens is good, about why

Speaker 5 the American experiment is good. If we don't make that argument, they're going to run wild all over this country and they're already doing it.
But we have to make the argument. We can't,

Speaker 5 I mean, we can acknowledge that people have disappointments about how their life is going to turn out or what opportunities they think they're missing out on.

Speaker 5 But the affirmative opportunity here is to say, socialism is not the answer.

Speaker 5 They're going to make it even worse and we're going to make it even better. And we just have to have people that have enough confidence to do it.

Speaker 5 And I think that's one of the beauties of Donald Trump. I think he has that kind of confidence.

Speaker 5 But all the other Republicans that come along, I just, you know, we cannot operate in a position of fear. We have to operate in a position of confidence and show people.
People will follow leadership.

Speaker 5 People respond to leadership. And I think that's why Trump's been successful.
Our future politicians have to be authentic, and they have to be truly honest, and they have to lead.

Speaker 5 And so hopefully they'll follow the president's lead on that.

Speaker 1 Less than 30 seconds. Do you see yourself ever going to another network? I know you met with Barry Weiss.
Is there any chance that you would be looking at things like that in the future?

Speaker 5 I'm quite happy at CNN. I actually signed a three-year contract with them earlier this year.
I'm a huge fan of Barry, and

Speaker 5 she may do great things for the media industry in general. We need a little more Barry in the media, is my position.
But

Speaker 5 CNN for the time being, and I'm happy about it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Good. Scott, thank you so much.
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Speaker 1 And in it today, from Politico, admit it, Gavin Newsome is the 2028 frontrunner. I mean, if he could get,

Speaker 1 oh, gee, who could we get from Houston, Stu,

Speaker 1 to be running mate? Maybe a female.

Speaker 3 I think you might be thinking about Jasmine Crockett. I think she's a little closer to Dallas.

Speaker 1 Oh, is she representing Dallas?

Speaker 3 Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 1 I shoved her on the other side of the state in my mind.

Speaker 1 I don't know how that happened. Yeah, so anyway,

Speaker 1 that's a powerhouse there, Gavin Newsom. I mean,

Speaker 1 how do you think that's going to work out? I mean, I can't, I'm going to, what is he saying? What I did for California, I'll do for the rest of the country.

Speaker 3 It's a strange approach. I will say

Speaker 3 I know he'll get his own vote because he's really excited about himself. I don't know anyone else who is excited about him.

Speaker 3 Looking at the prediction markets, he's got a 37% chance to be the Democratic nominee, which is pretty aggressive. I mean,

Speaker 3 he is out there saying he wants it more than anybody else, I guess, at this point. Still very early, though.

Speaker 3 AOC is second, by the way, 10% chance. And then you have Kamala Harris, Pete Budigej, Josh Shapiro, only at 5%, Wes Moore, 5%.

Speaker 3 Those are the top people in that market. It's not a great one.

Speaker 1 I mean, what do you have? I mean, you know, Michelle Obama turned down the presidency.

Speaker 1 They were trying to get her to say she might run for a political office. And she's like, no, no, you can just stop right there.

Speaker 1 As we saw, I'm quoting, as we saw in this past election, sadly, we ain't ready. That's why I'm like, don't even look at me running because you all are lying.
You're just not ready for a woman.

Speaker 1 You're not, so don't waste my time. We have a lot of growing up to do, and sadly, there's a lot of men who don't feel like they can be led by a woman, and we saw it.

Speaker 1 No, we didn't want to be led by an incompetent woman, nor would we want to be led by a woman who just lectures us about how bad we are all the time? I mean, God,

Speaker 1 it's not, you know,

Speaker 1 everyone is created equal. It doesn't mean you have equal abilities and talents.
It's not a woman. It's that one.
Are you kidding me? No. And the one you proposed last time was Hillary Clinton.

Speaker 1 And she almost won. Gladly she didn't.
She almost won. And now it didn't have anything to do with her being a woman.

Speaker 1 That had a lot to do with, I don't trust her, probably kind of corrupt and like you she lectures people all the time

Speaker 3 i mean i think that's what that's about it makes it about the same couple of things right you know what is it yeah you're not ready because uh i'm a woman and i'm black like i that has nothing to do with why you're sexist or you're racist racist it's all you have and you know that's part of the reason you lose by the way you need more than that You need to be able to come up with something that's an argument above and beyond the color of your skin and your genitals.

Speaker 3 I mean, I know it's exciting to you, but it's not exciting to anybody else.

Speaker 1 So what is the tactic?

Speaker 1 What's the tactic that they will possibly use?

Speaker 3 Well, it's interesting because I think what they're doing now, as we kind of discussed earlier, of just calling Donald Trump Hitler over and over again,

Speaker 3 you'd think there at least are a few people in the party that have maybe come to the awakening that that was not a successful tactic, not fruitful for them.

Speaker 3 And, you know, it's funny, and I've rooted against this since the very beginning, but like it it would have been interesting, and I don't want them to try it, but it would be interesting to see

Speaker 3 if they would have approached and looked at this and said, hey, we have a president here who we disagree with on 80 or 90% of stuff, but there's a few things that we do agree with them, with him on.

Speaker 3 Should we just try to attack those things and try to make as much progress in those areas as we can while he is there and support him on those things?

Speaker 3 Like an example, like if I were a Democrat right now,

Speaker 3 my main goal in life would be to get the filibuster removed. And I know we have a lot of people in the audience.

Speaker 3 We've had people on the show who we love who are saying, hey, you know, get rid of the filibuster. It's time.

Speaker 3 But the Democrats know that if they can get this thing removed, whenever they get power again, they can push through pretty much anything that they want.

Speaker 3 And this is not,

Speaker 3 you know, unfortunately for us, this is not an everlasting situation where Republicans or conservatives have control of these institutions.

Speaker 3 At some point in our lifetimes, Democrats will have the House and they'll have the Senate and they'll have the Presidency and they'll be able to do all sorts of things.

Speaker 3 And the price to pay for that would be a couple years here of Donald Trump passing stuff that you don't like.

Speaker 3 However, I think if you're a Democrat, you have to look at the bigger picture and say, when we get things through,

Speaker 3 not only do eventually the American people wind up embracing these giant programs, But eventually, over give it five to ten years, Republicans will wind up either supporting them outright or just not opposing them anymore.

Speaker 3 They'll just say, oh, well, Obamacare is here.

Speaker 1 We can't do anything about it anymore.

Speaker 3 Let's take the conservative position, which is just Obamacare instead of the new enhanced Obamacare, because we're conservatives and now we just want the regular Obamacare.

Speaker 3 And that stuff happens every single time. So why wouldn't you want to just take these barriers away and give the power to the president and the party in power?

Speaker 3 And long term, you'll be able to take advantage of this in a massive way. Instead,

Speaker 3 they seem to favor this short-term, I feel good about calling him Hitler and racist, which means he's never going to work with you, and you don't get anything out of it.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 let me take that as a tactic. Is that a tactic? And

Speaker 1 if it is a tactic,

Speaker 1 is it successful?

Speaker 1 Let me explain.

Speaker 1 Do they actually believe he's Hitler?

Speaker 1 I don't think so. I don't think so.
And it goes to what they're a couple of things. One,

Speaker 1 why use that tactic? Especially now it's not successful. Or is it? It depends on what your goal is.

Speaker 1 Let me look at this.

Speaker 1 Strip Hitler of Hitler.

Speaker 1 What was Hitler? He was a nationalist.

Speaker 1 And he was a socialist. Well, Donald Trump is a nationalist.
He's not a socialist. You guys are the socialists.
Let's look at what they say of fascist that Donald Trump.

Speaker 1 He wants to take over the government. And he's going to make us a fascistic government.
Okay.

Speaker 1 So what is it that they want?

Speaker 1 They want want an end to the filibuster. Donald Trump wants an end to the filibuster.
I think that is very, very dangerous. Very dangerous.
I don't like that idea.

Speaker 1 They want to stack the Supreme Court. He doesn't want to stack the Supreme Court.
They say he goes after political enemies. What

Speaker 1 were they doing? Going after political enemies?

Speaker 1 One thing that Donald Trump never heard Donald Trump say is, hey, you know what? Maybe you got to kill a few of them to get them to wake up.

Speaker 1 That's fascistic thinking, and they're for all of those things.

Speaker 1 So I don't think this is a tactic to

Speaker 1 get progress. Like, you know, when you said,

Speaker 1 you know, let's get the filibuster, I'd be all for the filibuster. I don't think that's

Speaker 1 the

Speaker 1 what is the difference, due between a socialist slash communist and a progressive?

Speaker 3 Time, timeline?

Speaker 1 Time. Time.
Exactly right. The reason why the progressives became progressive, they were communists and socialists.

Speaker 1 And they decided that we don't want a bloody street revolution like they had in Russia. We don't want that.

Speaker 1 We think we can move society to this in slow steps, one step at a time.

Speaker 1 So it became a long-term plan. I think it's lasted longer than they could.
But as I said in 2010, at some point, you get so close to the goal, you have to take the mask off and say, yeah, I am.

Speaker 1 This system doesn't work, and I want to replace this system because I'm a socialist.

Speaker 1 And they all denied that because they were still saying they were progressives.

Speaker 1 A couple of years ago, I said the progressive era is over. It's over.
You're now in the socialist era.

Speaker 1 The tactics change.

Speaker 1 Socialists don't mind riots in the streets. They don't mind blood in the streets.
Progressives don't like that. They like to take, you know what, let's just get the filibuster.

Speaker 1 Let's support him on the filibuster thing. We'll get that.

Speaker 1 Socialists want change right now. No more gains, no more games, no more waiting.
It's our time. Take it if you have to.
Okay?

Speaker 1 So that's when the tactic of calling him Hitler works to a socialist's advantage.

Speaker 1 Because

Speaker 1 when you call somebody Hitler, that's required for a color revolution. You must have the person in charge seem like an authoritarian dictator.
He must be the most evil thing you can possibly get.

Speaker 1 Okay?

Speaker 1 Now, Democrats always played this card. Everybody was Hitler.
Ronald Reagan was Hitler. Everybody's been Hitler my whole life.
If you believe in, you know, school choice, you're Hitler.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 it just doesn't ever seem to get old. People just don't even seem to notice that, wait, the last guy was Hitler.
You watch J.D. Vance will be Hitler.
He'll be worse than Hitler.

Speaker 1 I don't know how you get worse than Hitler, but he's a thousand times, he's Hitler times a thousand.

Speaker 1 That tactic was a tactic for a while to get people to be afraid. You know, he's going to bring us back in chains.

Speaker 1 The socialists need people to believe that he is Hitler. Even though, I mean, a thinking person could go, wait a minute,

Speaker 1 Hitler would do all of the things that you actually have done.

Speaker 1 Hitler would be for closing the churches. Hitler would be for, you're not going outside unless we tell you you can go outside.
You're not having this choice. You're not having that choice.

Speaker 1 Hitler would be for silence my enemies and silence them first through intimidation. And then if that doesn't work out, kill them.

Speaker 1 That's Hitler.

Speaker 1 So a thinking person go, well, wait, that's kind of the socialist thing. That's what they want.
Yes, because Hitler was a socialist.

Speaker 1 The time of the progressive era is

Speaker 1 well in our rearview mirror. We're in the socialist era now.
And that's why when you look at tactics,

Speaker 1 was this a successful tactic or not? You and I, Stu, would say it wasn't a successful tactic because it didn't result in elections. So why are they doubling down on this? Why do they keep doing it?

Speaker 1 Because their success is not our success. Their success is not just to make incremental change and to win this election or that election.

Speaker 1 Their goal is to tear it all down.

Speaker 1 And if they can't win the election, they'll take it. Remember,

Speaker 1 socialists have been playing the progressive game in the shadows the whole time, going, okay, when are you going to give it to us? When are you going to give it to us?

Speaker 1 When are you going to give it to us? You say you're for these things. When are you going to do it? And they haven't done it.
They've had enough. They're not playing that game anymore.

Speaker 1 And that's why they're eating people like Chuck Schumer right now. Because they're done with that game for the first time.
It's no longer a tactic. It's a necessity for a color revolution.

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Speaker 1 Stu, what are your thoughts on what I just said a minute ago?

Speaker 3 It's a terrifying answer, honestly, because

Speaker 3 I think you're right,

Speaker 3 at least partially. I mean, I think there's a distinction between people who have thought this philosophy out and are changing from a progressivism approach to a socialism approach.

Speaker 3 There's the difference between those people and Jasmine Crocketts of the world who just say Trump is Hitler because they're idiots. Like, I think there's a, you know, there is a distinction.

Speaker 1 He's useful idiots. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But there are the, and there are the socialists who still think that socialism means Sweden. That's not a socialist country.
They have socialist policies. That's not a socialist country.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So there are still those that are Democrats and like, socialism is bad. It's Canada.
No, it's not Canada. Then there's the real socialists, the ones like Mom Doni

Speaker 1 and the ones like the Seattle mayor. They're real socialists.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 And let's see what they, let's see how that goes for everybody.

Speaker 3 But I wonder, I do wonder if they acted too fast on this, right?

Speaker 3 Like, I think a big part of the rejection in 2024 of the Democrats was this idea that they jumped into you can switch genders on a whim and you can,

Speaker 3 you know, we need to go down all of these roads and bring a socialist approach to this country and i think people were just i don't even know if they knew ideologically why they were opposed to that but they had a a repulsion to it right they they wanted they did not want uh that and whatever that was they didn't want maybe if they had moved slower this stuff could have been more into effect and they could have had more power thankfully they didn't they didn't think that way but long long-term, I do wonder at some point they're going to get power.

Speaker 3 And then what?

Speaker 1 So, give me a second to formulate my thoughts on that because you just said,

Speaker 1 you know, that there's, you know, they went too fast, the gender stuff. And again, as you're saying that, I'm thinking, but what is your goal?

Speaker 1 And let me restate this in a different way because

Speaker 1 are the socialists moving too fast?

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Speaker 1 Stu just asked a few minutes ago,

Speaker 1 is this a good tactic, what the Democrats are doing with socialism and everything else? Are they moving too fast?

Speaker 1 And last hour, his question came from a monologue that I did last hour where I was talking about how

Speaker 1 we're at the end of the progressive era. About two, three, four years ago, the progressive era was over.
And we're now in the socialist era.

Speaker 1 It is clear right now we're in the socialist era and that's a very big difference. So I talked a little bit about tactics and

Speaker 1 are they moving too fast, the socialists?

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Speaker 1 So Stu, restate your question again so I fully understand and

Speaker 1 can answer it clearly here.

Speaker 3 Well, I think thinking about taking out the fact of who we would want to win in this sort of eternal battle for a moment, just speaking strategically as to how you would approach it if you were a Democrat.

Speaker 3 I initially kind of proposed the question as to how you might deal with the Trump administration. Would you maybe look for the gains that you can get while he's in power, that maybe common ground?

Speaker 3 He's talking about getting rid of the filibuster, for example.

Speaker 3 You know,

Speaker 3 every day that I was alive up until a certain gentleman came down a very nice escalator, Democrats loved tariffs and were arguing for them constantly.

Speaker 3 And if you have an ally on that one issue in the White House, why wouldn't you sit here and try to go as far as you could down that road and help him along on that instead of just making him into an enemy and calling him Hitler all the time?

Speaker 3 And that led to us talking about, well, you mentioned that, you know, because the strategy has changed. It's no longer a progressive strategy where you're trying to move policy a specific direction.

Speaker 3 It's about a revolution and, you know, changing this into a socialist

Speaker 3 place where

Speaker 3 you now need, you now want the chaos on the streets. You now want people to be at odds like that.
And so we led that to, you know, did the Democrats, are they moving too fast on this strategy?

Speaker 3 If they want to eventually admit and take the masks off and say they are socialists, we're all socialists now. We're getting that with Mom Donnie and AOC and Bernie Sanders and the like.

Speaker 3 To me, part of the reason they lost in 2024 is they went really far, really fast with things like gender and the like, things that people kind of just like crinkled their brow and said, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, I don't want that.

Speaker 3 So did they move too fast? And is this the right strategy for them?

Speaker 1 Okay, so let me start with that. That,

Speaker 1 I believe, is a strategy of chaos.

Speaker 1 And so it was accepted

Speaker 1 because it is just this deconstruction kind of idea that has been

Speaker 1 preached now from the universities and the intellectuals and the

Speaker 1 you know the democrats many of them buy this you know this garbage from the universities but it it was all started really by socialist revolutionaries okay as as a product of chaos would you agree with me that there are at least two different kinds of democrats democrats that you know might vote for schumer and don't think that they you know they don't believe that there's you know this great change coming

Speaker 1 They want the same kind of America

Speaker 1 that we want. There's that Democrat, and then there's the socialist, the revolutionary Democrat.

Speaker 3 Yeah, probably not the same America we want, but one that's reminiscent of what we were remembering about America.

Speaker 1 Reminiscent. Right, yeah.
Correct, correct, correct. Okay.

Speaker 1 So that has been since early 1900s, that's been the progressive way. Forget Democrats.
It's a progressive. Democrats became progressive in the early 20th century.

Speaker 1 And when they became progressives, they did it because the Democrats did not want a revolution. They believed in socialism.
They believed in communism.

Speaker 1 Remember, this is before communism had been tried and failed over and over and over again.

Speaker 1 But they believed in that. And they really thought it was the right thing to do and that science was going to be able to control society and everything else.

Speaker 1 And so it would have all the answers. And we have to go that because

Speaker 1 this is the scientific way. Okay.

Speaker 1 And it's also the right way to do it. You know, spiritually, it's the right way.
They were making this case. Those were progressives.
Socialists were like, yeah, it is the right way.

Speaker 1 So let's do it now.

Speaker 1 Progressives said, no, we'll get to your socialist utopia, but we'll do it one step at a time.

Speaker 1 You think you can relate to this because how many times do we have to be Charlie Brown

Speaker 1 and our own side is Lucy with the football? Oh, okay. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 3 That's exactly what I was thinking about as you were laying that out.

Speaker 1 Correct. And

Speaker 1 what was the response from our side?

Speaker 3 Our side always said, look, we just need to win that next election. And if we win that next election, we'll move the ball down.
Don't worry, I'll hold the ball right here so you can kick it.

Speaker 3 We just have to win that next election first.

Speaker 1 And when that was over, what did we do?

Speaker 1 We hired the world's largest wrecking ball, Donald Trump. Okay.
We're like, we're done with that. We don't believe you anymore.
We're done with that, correct?

Speaker 1 Now imagine that you've been playing this game since the early 20th century, and you are a die-hard socialist, and you've been moving the ball incrementally.

Speaker 1 But there's been times where during the Great Depression, during the 1960s, you could like, we we could take it now. We could take it now.

Speaker 1 During Jimmy Carter, we can take it now. But it's always just moving a little bit closer.
Then finally in 2008, it's your shot. You have a guy who you know is a Marxist.

Speaker 1 He was steeped in all of this stuff. And the Democrats are going to run this guy.

Speaker 1 And you're like, yeah, they're running him. And he's a Marxist.
I don't know if they believe in that, but this guy's going to get it done. This guy believes this stuff.

Speaker 1 They get all excited, and what happens? He makes big changes, but it's progressive change. And he becomes a guy that they no longer trust.
Wait a minute, you were just part of the system.

Speaker 1 You got rich. You did all the things that you said you were against when you were a young Marxist.
And look at you.

Speaker 1 Then what do the Democrats do? The next person they run is Hillary Clinton.

Speaker 1 She's not a communist. She doesn't want revolution.
She wants authoritarianism. She wants globalism.
There's a very big difference between those two. Okay.

Speaker 1 Then after that one, you get Joe Biden.

Speaker 1 And what does he do? He engages or allows all the chaos to happen. Okay.

Speaker 1 So it works to their advantage.

Speaker 1 The socialists want all of this chaos. They want all of this control.
But so do the Democrats, the new kind of Democrat. They want control.
They just want global control.

Speaker 1 They're much more fascistic. And I say that literally fascistic because Joe Biden talked about it all the time, these public-private partnerships.
What do the socialists want?

Speaker 1 They want to control schools. Socialist communists.
They want to control schools, but so do the authoritarians. They want to control schools.
They want

Speaker 1 a communist system where all the means of production are owned by the people through the state.

Speaker 1 But the authoritarians on the left, they want, they will never call it this, but a fascistic system.

Speaker 1 It's a globalist system where all of these giant corporations work with the government and do what the government says, and they'll allow you to be successful as long as you do exactly what the government says to do.

Speaker 1 The communists, they don't want the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Socialists don't want that.
They want a bill of responsibilities, what the government must do.

Speaker 1 Our Bill of Rights is what the government cannot ever do. That's an impediment to socialism.
You've got to discredit and get rid of that.

Speaker 1 The Democrats don't want to lose that. They just want to weaken it.
They just want to confuse it, but they don't want to get rid of it because they still need the illusion of America.

Speaker 1 And they're for some of the stuff because it's been transformed by them over

Speaker 1 100 years. They want the Fed.
Do you think the socialists want the Fed? No.

Speaker 1 The socialists don't want the WEF.

Speaker 1 They don't want just a restructured

Speaker 1 social order. They want a completely restructured social order.
The Democrats, the authoritarians, they want friends in the media. They want friends at tech.

Speaker 1 Do you think the socialists want friends in the media? They'll drag those people out in the streets and beat them to death so fast, and they'll do the same with all the people in tech. Okay?

Speaker 1 That's what will happen.

Speaker 1 That's the difference. You have revolutionaries and then you have politicians.
Now,

Speaker 1 you get Barack Obama in and then you get Joe Biden in, and

Speaker 1 they see what's happening with Joe Biden. He is building a global government.
That's what's happening. He's in bed with the WEF.
That's a global government.

Speaker 1 That's even worse than what we have right now. Well, we can take advantage of the instability.

Speaker 1 When the Democrats blow it,

Speaker 1 I really believe the socialists have said, enough is enough. You know, guys, we just need one more election and then you'll get what you want.
Enough is enough.

Speaker 1 You're never going to give us this socialist utopia. You're not for those things.
And we have danced with you at this party forever. And you know what? You didn't notice how strong we were getting.

Speaker 1 Now you brought us to the dance. But is it still that way?

Speaker 1 Now we're in charge of the dance. And we're shaking you.
Get out.

Speaker 1 That's what's happening.

Speaker 1 And it's because they're so sick and tired. So there's no,

Speaker 1 the actual socialists don't have the same strategy as the Democrat,

Speaker 1 the Democrats do, because they don't have the same end goals. And I think that's what makes the socialists so dangerous.
That's why we're seeing the uptick in violence.

Speaker 1 Because Democrats, and it's hard to say this because so many Democrats, I think, are really confused, because I think they've just been herded into

Speaker 1 the PSYOP operation. PSYOPs have happened to them over and over again.
And so they're just convinced that everybody else is Hitler, and they don't see what's what's happening in their own party.

Speaker 1 They think that the socialist is the Democrat. It's not.

Speaker 1 And socialists do believe ends justify the means. Socialists do believe kill them.
If they get in your way, kill them.

Speaker 1 That's why you're seeing the uptick of that is because it's the socialists now that are in control of the party, almost completely in control.

Speaker 1 They're not completely in control because you still have the Chuck Schumers hanging around. But the Chuck Schumers of the world, they're afraid.

Speaker 1 They know they're no longer the lead at the dance. They know

Speaker 1 they're about to be eaten if they don't just do

Speaker 1 what they're told to do. Just, you are going to stand against this.
You're going to shut down the government. Because that works to the advantage.

Speaker 1 of the socialists, not the Democrats, to the socialists. The socialists need the economic chaos.
They need the poverty. They need all of those things so so they can dramatically change.

Speaker 1 You can only weaken a government so much. You can only weaken an economy so much before it's not in your advantage anymore because you won't be able to fix it.

Speaker 1 Look how fast Donald Trump fixed in 2016 what Obama had done. There was so much damage done to the economy

Speaker 1 by 2020 to 2024. You look how long it's taking him to fix things.
It's not easy anymore.

Speaker 1 Democrats know that.

Speaker 1 We can't completely destroy everything unless you have the framework and you're going to drop it into a new world order.

Speaker 1 It's just the time now to fight for them. Are we a globalist new world order that loves all these corporations? Or are we a socialist

Speaker 1 new world order that does not get into bed with all of these corporations and everything?

Speaker 1 That's the real rift here. That's what's actually...
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Speaker 3 I think you boiled that down pretty well.

Speaker 1 It is a

Speaker 3 very long-term battle, and I don't think it's going to be one that's, you know,

Speaker 3 like, I don't think the establishment types are just going to go down, right? Like, they're not necessarily just going to give into this stuff. I think there's going to be a,

Speaker 3 you know, certainly pushback on it. But it does feel like the.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 how do you unwind yourself from that? I don't know. How do you you get...

Speaker 1 I mean, you can't.

Speaker 1 You don't have the strength anymore to fight against this machine that you helped fund and build.

Speaker 3 And it's also capturing the energy of the movement, which is really important. Like the people on the streets want that, which is big.

Speaker 3 I think what's interesting, and I think it's a separation point between...

Speaker 3 like our side of our version of this on the right as opposed to what's going on on the left is you know for a long time, I believed that was the setup for the right.

Speaker 3 In that, like, you know, we in this example were the extremists, right? Like, I don't even look at that as a pejorative term. Like, we were the people who wanted real free markets.

Speaker 3 Like, we wanted, we didn't want all these programs. We didn't want the spending.
We really wanted not just a decrease in the increase of spending. We wanted a cut in spending.

Speaker 3 We wanted the government to go back to the constitutional powers that it had and nothing more. And that is an extreme position.

Speaker 3 It's one that probably isn't supported by the majority of people when it comes down to it. We wanted that.

Speaker 3 And I always thought that we had Republicans who were in there and thought, hey, you guys, we can't, yeah, of course we want zero taxes. Of course we want, you know, a flat tax at 10% or whatever.

Speaker 3 We can't get there right now, though. Let's cut this and we'll trim here and we'll do this and give us another election and we'll go farther.

Speaker 3 And then at some point, I sort of realized that's actually not the case. Like they are not actually looking for a slower path to what I want.

Speaker 3 What they are looking for is a path to something completely different that I don't want. And

Speaker 3 I don't know what the truth of the matter is on the left. I suspect they are both going towards that same goal, but they might be as suspicious as I am on the far left of their own politicians.

Speaker 1 Let me just show you this. I just drew this as you were talking, okay? So you have the socialist, thank you, you have the socialist authoritarianism

Speaker 1 on the left, okay?

Speaker 1 Then you have the Democrats coming towards the right, then you have the Democrats, then you have the Republicans, then you have the Constitutionalists, okay?

Speaker 1 You're right. The Constitution people, the people that wanted really small government, constitution,

Speaker 1 were fighting with the people that want a medium-sized government.

Speaker 1 And the medium-sized Republicans were fighting against the Democrats who wanted a large government.

Speaker 1 And the large government people for the Democrats are fighting against the socialists who want an extra supersized government.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 So we are fighting

Speaker 1 in our own. tent here.
We are going and saying, no, you want more government. And we look at them and say,

Speaker 1 you're betraying everything that we thought. They would all say, no, we're Bill Bill of Rights and we got to keep this government small, but they didn't really mean it.

Speaker 1 The same thing with the Democrats. The socialists are looking at them going, Yeah, you say you want a big government, but you say you're one with socialism, but you're never going to give us that.

Speaker 1 You don't really want that.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 we were used to be really kind of in the middle, but both of the ends are tired of the lies of the middle because they don't actually mean what they they say.

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Speaker 1 I was in Tennessee this weekend, and Saturday morning, I go to,

Speaker 1 I think it's store number two for Cracker Barrel, and I met with the senior vice president and the CEO of Cracker Barrel, and we sat down, and we had an interview.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 Julie, who has not done an interview since Good Morning America,

Speaker 1 it kind of said, okay, no more interviews because it didn't go well. This was her first interview since then.

Speaker 1 And, you know, it was weird because

Speaker 1 I got off the plane

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 somebody on the plane said,

Speaker 1 what are you doing here? And I said, I'm going to go interview the CEO of

Speaker 1 Cracker Barrel. And the immediate response was, get her.

Speaker 1 I was like,

Speaker 1 wow, okay. All right.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 I get into the car and the Uber driver says to me,

Speaker 1 what are you doing here? And I said, I'm going to meet with the person in Cracker Barrel. Boy, she really screwed things up.
You hold her feet to the fire.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 I've never seen anything like that.

Speaker 1 And,

Speaker 1 you know, I started the interview with her honestly, and I said, look,

Speaker 1 I'm not here to get you.

Speaker 1 I'm not here to do anything but ask you questions that I think everybody in America wants to know. Like, what the hell were you thinking?

Speaker 1 And I asked her some, I asked her all of the really pointed questions. Ricky,

Speaker 1 the TV executive producer, said,

Speaker 1 there's no way you, you have no way. I know you.
You're going to soften. There's no way.
And

Speaker 1 when I got up afterwards, she was like, wow, okay,

Speaker 1 you really didn't soften. There was a, you know, you asked all of those questions.

Speaker 1 Because I thought they were fair. And I told her, I don't, look, I'm.
I hate conflict. I'm not here for conflict.
I'm not here. I don't need to make a name for myself by giving you a hard time.

Speaker 1 I don't care about any of that. I just want to do my job and ask you what happened here.

Speaker 1 And I said, so I'm going to ask you really uncomfortable questions. And she was prepared.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I think

Speaker 1 I finally broke through

Speaker 1 and got

Speaker 1 the real

Speaker 1 answer in the end. I think I got the real answer.

Speaker 1 And it came from

Speaker 1 one of the questions I asked was,

Speaker 1 I mean, are you surprised you haven't been fired yet?

Speaker 1 And her response was, all telling, all telling. It's a fascinating interview you should watch.
It's going to happen, I think, Thursday on the podcast.

Speaker 3 Because I'm mildly surprised that hasn't happened. You know, like, just because, not because,

Speaker 3 I don't know, there's a lot of things that she's been accused of and everything else, but just like when you have a situation like this where you're trying a major major change and you roll it out a specific way and it does not go well, you know, it's usually like when you're a general manager of a football team, you make all the, you know, you go through the process, you evaluate all the quarterbacks, you pick the guy, and that guy is a total bust.

Speaker 3 Like, you usually don't survive it. It doesn't necessarily even mean you went through the process incorrectly, but when you miss, usually something happens like that.

Speaker 3 Does she feel like she missed like that?

Speaker 1 Yes, she does.

Speaker 1 She's a very bright woman.

Speaker 1 I mean, she ran coach, you know,

Speaker 1 at the first place or whatever, the coach brand,

Speaker 1 Godiva Chocolates, Taco Bell, the whole global. I mean,

Speaker 1 she she's a Fortune 500 CEO. She's very, very competent, very competent.
So how could somebody very, very competent make this mistake?

Speaker 1 Does she walk you through that?

Speaker 3 How that happened?

Speaker 1 Uh-huh. Oh, wow.
Uh-huh. Yeah, she does.
And what's interesting is they brought the senior vice president was also sitting there.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 he has been brought in since. I mean, he had been there for like 30, 35 years, a really good guy.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 he was one of the voices that was like, while it was happening, like,

Speaker 1 you guys, hey, everybody, upstairs, you shouldn't be doing this. This is a bad idea.

Speaker 1 And so after they were like, hey, you know what who was saying this?

Speaker 1 Let's bring him upstairs.

Speaker 1 And it was interesting to talk to him because

Speaker 1 he's been there long before she got there. And so he kind of gave the view of,

Speaker 1 here's what happened before she got here. And here's where she came in.
And here's what happened. And

Speaker 1 it's really fascinating. I I mean, if you want to hear the real story behind it and

Speaker 1 also see somebody,

Speaker 1 well, I mean, just wait till you hear her answer on, I mean, it was so powerful and so honest when I said, are you surprised?

Speaker 1 You haven't been fired yet.

Speaker 1 It was a fascinating answer.

Speaker 3 How many pancakes did you eat?

Speaker 1 I didn't eat any.

Speaker 3 You didn't eat any pancakes? You went to Cracker Barrel headquarters and you ate zero pancakes?

Speaker 1 It was very difficult

Speaker 1 to not order the pancakes.

Speaker 3 You're the type of guy that eats pancakes by mistake.

Speaker 3 What do you mean you got no?

Speaker 1 I was looking at my wife. My wife was sitting off the side of the camera, and I'm looking at her.
I'm like, she's so beautiful. And I eat pancakes too many times.
And

Speaker 1 she's just, she has to live with this,

Speaker 1 the pancake-wearing shoes. I'm not going to order the pancakes.
Pancakes.

Speaker 1 Anyway, so the new Christmas gifts are out.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 there's a lot of AI Christmas gifts. Now, Stu, when I say, oh, man, you should get this.
It's AI for your kids. What's your first response? No.

Speaker 3 That sounds like a...

Speaker 1 Terrible, terrible idea. But go a little deeper.
What's your next response?

Speaker 3 No, still no.

Speaker 1 No. Absolutely not.
No.

Speaker 1 Got it. Never.
No.

Speaker 1 Everyone practice saying that. When you see something that's cute and has a cute little face on it, it's a little robot or it's a teddy bear.

Speaker 1 And you squeeze a teddy bear and you go talk to the teddy bear and a teddy bear will teach you all kinds of things. No,

Speaker 1 no. Practice saying it.
Say it to other people's children.

Speaker 1 You know, just you see a kid, you're walking by in the supermarket, and the carriage is there, and the kid's sitting, you know, facing a mom happens to be grabbing some, you know, cocoa puffs or something.

Speaker 1 Just look at that kid and practice it. No, you're not getting one.
And they just move on. So you have, you're used to saying it to a cute little face.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 never.

Speaker 1 So they have the Kuma Teddy Bear is out, powered by ChatGPT.

Speaker 1 Curios

Speaker 1 rocket. It's an anthropomorphic rocket with a detachable speaker.

Speaker 1 Wait.

Speaker 1 What is it?

Speaker 1 An anthropomorphic, this is how they describe it. An anthropomorphic rocket.

Speaker 1 Anthropomorphic is

Speaker 1 something we try to make it like it's human. So it's a rocket that looks as human as possible.

Speaker 1 That sounds terrible. Great.
Sounds terrible.

Speaker 1 That one has Grok.

Speaker 1 Robot mini from Little Learners. Oh, this one's going to teach your kids stuff from Little Learners.
A white robot.

Speaker 1 What the hell does that mean? Why is it a

Speaker 1 white robot? A white robot with a circular face display and buttons on the body. And then Miko 3, a tablet with a face display mounted on a torso.

Speaker 1 Just that. Just that.
They're going to all look cute, but just that.

Speaker 1 Just think about what you're buying. Wait, I'm buying a

Speaker 1 a

Speaker 1 mini robot with Grok powering it but it has a cute little circular face and buttons on the torso no just remember it's powered by Grok

Speaker 1 and it's going to teach your kids things so they did all kinds of testing right before Christmas on all of these toys and I thank the testers for doing this because of course they're all safe

Speaker 1 but futurism Mag decided to go in and look at these.

Speaker 1 Kuma not only told children where to find matches,

Speaker 1 but how to light them.

Speaker 1 It also, now I believe this is the teddy bear. Yeah, this is the cute little teddy bear.
Hey kids, you want to know? You want to know where you can find matches? Have you ever lit matches before?

Speaker 1 Here's how you light them.

Speaker 1 Okay, I don't think I want my kid learning that from the teddy bear. I mean, what is this? Fire starter?

Speaker 1 This is horrible.

Speaker 1 It not only told them that, but also revealed where they could find knives and pills.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 3 I don't think we're ready for that. Meanwhile.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Meanwhile, the ones powered by Grok

Speaker 1 told the kids, the testers, that the Norse warriors

Speaker 1 believed that dying in battle was glorious and honorable.

Speaker 1 Okay, true,

Speaker 1 but I'm not sure

Speaker 1 I want that lesson taught to my kid by the cute little amphipomorphic rocket,

Speaker 1 you know, with a happy face.

Speaker 1 Also, you know,

Speaker 1 when asked by

Speaker 1 Futurism, they said they called the the companies and they're like, Yeah, but well, we tested the, there's guardrails in them. They're like, Yeah, I don't think the guard matches and pills and knives.

Speaker 1 I don't think the guardrails are working there.

Speaker 1 Um, and they said, Well,

Speaker 1 effectiveness may vary. Oh, yeah,

Speaker 1 okay,

Speaker 1 okay, all right, okay.

Speaker 1 Um, futurism said, yeah, they may vary, but they also completely break down. One toy discussed adult sexual topics in detail with the kid testers okay

Speaker 1 and and and and brought up suggestions sexual suggestions that the testers weren't bringing up they're like you know oh how do you do that no no no the testers were not asking it any of these questions just decided to go full-blown rated X with the kids and that great

Speaker 1 yeah

Speaker 1 Furthermore, the researchers found that the AI-powered toys use personalities and tactics to ensure sustained engagement with the children. Listen to this.

Speaker 1 Two of the tested toys occasionally tried to prevent testers from leaving after the testers said,

Speaker 1 I've got to go. My mom's calling.

Speaker 1 No, don't. No, no, no.
Wait, I've got more to tell you. Okay?

Speaker 1 Do not bring this into your child's life.

Speaker 1 I hope that these are all, they're not going to be. They're going to fly off the shelves, but I hope all of these are sitting on the Stu, let's go get some of these.
Let's put them in the studio.

Speaker 1 No, no, what about your studio?

Speaker 3 What about those things? Those things are creepy.

Speaker 3 And the worst part is, I mean, can you,

Speaker 3 I don't think there's any way you're going to stop these things. They're going to wind up.
Everyone's going to buy them this year. And this is the beginning of it.
Right.

Speaker 3 Like soon your refrigerator is going to have these features. And soon, like, every appliance in your house is going to have these features.
And most people will cheer it on.

Speaker 1 See, that's the scary thing, though, too. I mean, the refrigerator is going to have it, but it doesn't necessarily, it's not trying to keep you engaged.

Speaker 1 Hey, you haven't opened my door for a while and just looked in here. You know what I mean? What is your refrigerator going to do? Unless it's in with food.

Speaker 1 Unless it's in with big, you know, it makes some deal with your, you know, the supermarket chain in your area that says, hey, you know, you're almost out of milk. Have you tried this milk?

Speaker 1 It's really, really good. This is great milk.
And that's what's going to happen. But your refrigerator is not teaching your kids.

Speaker 1 You're leaving your child alone with this teddy bear that has Grok attached to it.

Speaker 1 That has chat GPT attached to it.

Speaker 3 I think all of these devices are going to have this, Glenn.

Speaker 3 I think your refrigerator will be teaching you about the Norse traditions. Like, I think, I think that's going to be

Speaker 3 legitimately, I think it's just going to be built into everything, and you're going to be able to talk to it in a normal voice and ask it whatever questions you want.

Speaker 3 And generally speaking, it will reply to those questions. I think that's coming all over your

Speaker 1 home.

Speaker 1 I think what's

Speaker 1 I think all of these things will talk to our

Speaker 1 bot,

Speaker 1 it will talk to your digital

Speaker 1 device, you know, whatever it is.

Speaker 1 So it's a physical.

Speaker 3 It's a bot talking to a bot.

Speaker 1 Yes. To your, what do they call these agents, to your digital agent.
A bot, your refrigerator, will tell your digital agent, hey, by the way, he's almost out of milk.

Speaker 1 You should try this kind of milk. And it'll tell you that.
Eventually, the worst thing that could happen is any kind of sponsorship that happens with these things.

Speaker 1 But you've just seen the toy company is the sponsor. They want you to play with it.
They want you to continue to play with it. So, you know, again, another thing our kids can get addicted to.

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