Trump Accuses Democrats of Sedition — Here’s the Truth | Guest: Dave Isay | 11/21/25

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Speaker 4 Hello, America. I want to talk to you a little bit about the Bubba Effect.
What is happening in Dearborn, Michigan, what is happening in Washington, D.C.

Speaker 4 The president is now saying that we should execute for treason some of the Democrats that came out and did something that I think is not treason, but just so it's sedition.

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Speaker 4 All right, I want to talk to you about the Bubba effect because the Bubba effect is something that I brought to America about 2003.

Speaker 4 And it describes a really dangerous social dynamic that will emerge when the average everyday American citizen no longer believes in the institutions, government, media, law enforcement, our courts.

Speaker 4 And it begins with the local guy, Bubba.

Speaker 4 Bubba,

Speaker 4 it'll be Bubba against...

Speaker 4 the officials, the government, or whoever. And Bubba might do something stupid, something that we're like, oh, Bubba, don't do that.
What are you doing?

Speaker 4 But he does it.

Speaker 4 And even though he might be wrong or might be misguided in the way he's doing it, everybody kind of just looks away and goes, yeah, yeah, well, that's just Bubba. You know, don't worry about Bubba.

Speaker 4 But he's right about this. You're the problem.
Okay.

Speaker 4 I've been warning since 2003 about the Bubba effect that at some point it's going to happen. And it is everywhere today.

Speaker 4 And I want to show you where it is because I've got four different stories today. I'm going to take you through in the next, you know, 60 minutes or probably 120 minutes.

Speaker 4 And in that, you will see the Bubba effect everywhere. And it is not just one place.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 4 This is not an academic phrase. This is a

Speaker 4 this is rooted in not only American history, but in human behavior. So let me explain.

Speaker 4 When the government loses its legitimacy and people no longer believe the official explanations or the official investigations and there is no official moral authority, the outsider becomes the trusted insider.

Speaker 4 Okay? Now let's go through this.

Speaker 4 Do you believe the explanations of what is happening on most things today?

Speaker 4 Do you believe the explanations just of stupid stuff like, hey, those were drones over the skies, and

Speaker 4 we can't tell you what they are, but they were definitely not from China and they're definitely not from space.

Speaker 4 Probably are.

Speaker 4 Do you believe that explanation?

Speaker 4 I mean, that's the, I mean, that could be one of the most consequential, depending on what it is, but it really doesn't mean all that much because we don't know what it is. Okay.

Speaker 4 But I don't believe them.

Speaker 4 Do you believe the Epstein thing is on the up and up that we're ever going to get the truth? No.

Speaker 4 Do you believe that

Speaker 4 the investigations, either,

Speaker 4 you know, on either side into Trump or into Trump's enemies,

Speaker 4 that justice is ever going to be done?

Speaker 4 No.

Speaker 4 No.

Speaker 4 No.

Speaker 4 The shooters. Do you believe the Butler shooter?

Speaker 4 Do you believe Charlie Kirk, that thing? Do you even know where to stand on that one? I mean, I think I do, but I don't know.

Speaker 4 But look at how people are saying, oh, you know what? That was an inside job. And so many people are believing it.
That's the Bubba effect. Okay.

Speaker 4 When a crisis hits, a shooting, a standoff, a raid, people stop siding with the government and instead side with Bubba, the neighbor who stands against the federal power.

Speaker 4 Wrongdoing becomes irrelevant.

Speaker 4 Even if Bubba is partially or completely wrong, the public's animosity towards authority is so deep that they go to defend Bubba just as an act of protest.

Speaker 4 In a way, you saw this with O.J. Simpson.
You know, all of the jurors later said, yeah, we knew he was guilty, but we wanted to. They were making, it was a form of protest.

Speaker 4 Once it starts, it begins to escalate everywhere. And then authorities have to crack down even harder and that causes more escalation.

Speaker 4 Citizens resist more fiercely. Each side starts to interpret the other side as the aggressor.
Now, this is happening now in Dearborn,

Speaker 4 Michigan. People are sick and tired of what is going on in Dearborn, Michigan.
The lies about what is happening with the immigrants that are coming in, with these communities that are closed off,

Speaker 4 with the clear threat that Sharia law is,

Speaker 4 with what we're seeing happening in the city council meetings, what we're seeing happening on the streets, what's happening in our communities and our country.

Speaker 4 We feel like we're losing America, the America that we grew up in.

Speaker 4 But more than that, now, it is becoming clear that the faith we have all had that helped build this country is coming under attack by a very hostile force, Sharia law.

Speaker 4 Now, no one with any credibility is doing anything. They've been calling, you know, everybody a, you know, an Islamophobe forever.
And so that doesn't hold any weight anymore, right?

Speaker 4 So some guy comes and he's, he's wrapping a Quran in bacon. Okay, would Jesus do that? No.

Speaker 4 Are you thrilled and happy that that's happening? No. Is that the way to make the case? No.

Speaker 4 But why is it being condoned or dismissed by so many people? Because of the Bubba effect. At least he's pointing out the problem.

Speaker 4 Sound familiar? That's the Bubba effect. It's not one guy on the porch with a rifle.
It's about a societal tipping point. And when trust collapses, law becomes optional.
Morals become optional.

Speaker 4 When institutions lose their moral credibility, power then becomes coercion.

Speaker 4 When the public assumes that corruption is the default, the truth no longer matters.

Speaker 4 And in that atmosphere, even a minor confrontation can spiral into a national crisis. And that is exactly where we're headed.
And history is full of these moments. 1790s, the whiskey rebellion.

Speaker 4 What was that?

Speaker 4 They couldn't pay the soldiers.

Speaker 4 So what do do they do? Well,

Speaker 4 states decide, we got to raise the taxes. They raise taxes on whiskey.
Well, that turns into, well, that's a federal overreach.

Speaker 4 What a soldiers fought against that.

Speaker 4 Higher taxes. Now you're taxing our whiskey.
Yeah, because we have to pay you and we don't have any other way to raise money. Well, we want our money, but we don't want taxes.
And so what happened?

Speaker 4 That overreach

Speaker 4 turned dissenters into folk heroes. Bleeding Kansas, that happened in the 1850s.

Speaker 4 Distrust in the federal arbitration caused vigilante on both sides to become local champions because some were standing up for slavery and government overreach and some were standing up

Speaker 4 for it. Okay.

Speaker 4 Post-Reconstruction. Citizens preferred the local strongman over the federal enforcement of civil rights.

Speaker 4 Whenever trust collapses, citizens instinctively choose the closest authority in their community, even if it is flawed.

Speaker 4 You will defend even the wrong guy, not because he's right, but because the system is wrong. And that is the real danger of the Bubba effect.

Speaker 4 It's not a call to rebellion. It's a warning that unchecked corruption eventually produces rebellion spontaneously.
It always happens.

Speaker 4 And the Bubba effect is a natural consequence of a nation that mocks accountability. Do you think accountability is being mocked? You're held accountable.
Is anybody else? It punishes dissent.

Speaker 4 No matter which side you are, I'm on.

Speaker 4 You're either a communist or a Nazi and you need to be shut up. It hides behind bureaucracy.

Speaker 4 Well, we can't release that because we don't have all the details because, well, this is an ongoing investigation, an investigation that nobody believes.

Speaker 4 And then it expects unquestioning obedience.

Speaker 4 Trust us. There's nothing to see here.

Speaker 4 The Bubba effect is a symptom of a Republic in decline, not the cause of it.

Speaker 4 Now, let me show you a different kind of Bubba effect. And this one

Speaker 4 This one,

Speaker 4 well, let me just play it. Came out a couple of days ago.
Here are the Democrats putting together something that is aimed directly towards the Bubbas

Speaker 4 in the military and the CIA. Listen.

Speaker 5 I'm Senator Alyssa Slotkin.

Speaker 4 Senator Mark Kelly. Representative Chris DeLuzio.

Speaker 5 Congresswoman Maggie Goodlander. Representative Chrissy Houlihan.

Speaker 4 Congressman Jason Crowe. That was a captain in the United States Navy.

Speaker 5 Former CIA officer.

Speaker 4 Former Navy. Former paratrooper and Army Ranger.

Speaker 5 Former intelligence officer. Former Air Force.

Speaker 4 We want to speak directly to members of the military and the intelligence community who take risks each day to keep Americans safe.

Speaker 5 We know you are under enormous stress and pressure right now. Americans trust their military.

Speaker 4 But that trust is at risk. This administration is pitting our uniformed military and intelligence community professionals against American citizens.
Like us, you all swore an oath.

Speaker 5 To protect and defend this Constitution.

Speaker 4 Right now, the threats to our Constitution aren't just coming from abroad, but from right here at home. Our laws are clear.
You can refuse illegal orders.

Speaker 5 You can refuse illegal orders.

Speaker 4 You must refuse illegal orders.

Speaker 5 No one has to carry out orders that violate the law or our Constitution.

Speaker 4 We know this is hard and that it's a difficult time to be a public servant. But whether you're serving in the CIA, in the Army, or Navy, the Air Force, your vigilance is critical.

Speaker 5 And know that we have your back. Because now, more than ever, the American people need you.

Speaker 4 They need you to stand up for our laws, our Constitution, and who we are as Americans. Don't give up.
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Speaker 4 All right. I want to talk to you about that because this is causing all kinds of problems because now Donald Trump has responded in saying they should be executed.
They should not be executed.

Speaker 4 However, I do believe this is seditious. And I'll explain.

Speaker 4 the difference between treason and sedition here in just a second and show you how this is the Bubba effect, just a different version of it in just a second. I'll take you through history.

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Speaker 4 All right. This is not about Republicans.
It's not about Democrats. It's not about the President Donald Trump.

Speaker 4 This is something that no generation of American has ever seen, not in 250 years of constitutional history.

Speaker 4 A group of sitting members of Congress, senators and representatives went on camera and told active duty military personnel and the CIA to ignore orders of the President of the United States.

Speaker 4 They didn't whisper it. They didn't couch it in a private memo.
They released it in a video for the entire world to see. What message is that sending to the rest of the world?

Speaker 4 For the first time in American political history, members of the United States Congress openly encouraged the military to look at the commander-in-chief and say, no.

Speaker 4 Now, this does not happen in a constitutional republic, and it cannot happen in a nation that wants to remain one.

Speaker 4 Now, you can say, and it's reasonable to say, well, this is just advice, right? It's a reminder that you don't follow illegal orders.

Speaker 4 Sounds reasonable until you look at history, because history has a merciless way of

Speaker 4 identifying patterns long before politicians will admit to them.

Speaker 4 In the entire American experiment, there are only a handful of moments anything like this has occurred. And every single one of those was a moment that was a prelude to national fracture.

Speaker 4 1860 to 1861. It was the secession winter.
Southern leaders encouraged officers at the federal level and forts to abandon the Union and pledge loyalty to the states. Not normal politics.

Speaker 4 This was the beginning of the rupture and then came Fort Sumter.

Speaker 4 1870, Reconstruction. Some states rejected federal authority outright.

Speaker 4 Sheriffs, militias, even sometimes judges refused federal directives, but Congress itself, they never told the Army to ignore the president.

Speaker 4 In Vietnam, members of Congress denounced the war, denounced Nixon, denounced Johnson, but no one ever told active duty troops disobey the commander-in-chief. It wasn't done.

Speaker 4 Because every generation, up until this one, understood something very basic. You cannot politicize the chain of command without breaking the republic.

Speaker 4 And once the military begins to decide on its own which orders are legitimate, which ones, you know, which president they prefer, you no longer have civilian control. You no longer have a republic.

Speaker 4 You have factions inside an armed institution. And that is exactly how nations collapse.
And every single one of those sitting representatives know it. Turkey, Argentina, Spain, Egypt.

Speaker 4 Every single example, the pattern is always the same. Political parties begin encouraging the military to resist the other side, and the center completely collapses.

Speaker 4 And this is the part where you need to hear me clearly.

Speaker 4 What we saw here this week with this is not the Bubba effect where ordinary citizens lose trust in authority or rally behind the local guy. No, no, no.

Speaker 4 This is something far more seditious and serious.

Speaker 4 This is the institutional Bubba effect, where leaders inside the government with their own plan, the political class, begin urging Bubba in the military to take sides in domestic political disputes.

Speaker 4 That is a very, very bright line.

Speaker 4 The great unbroken line in American history. Unbroken in our history.
That line kept us from becoming every other failed republic. And now

Speaker 4 these people have stepped over it.

Speaker 4 Now, let me take on Donald Trump. Is this treason? No.
Treason has a very narrow definition. Thank God.

Speaker 4 It requires aiding an enemy of the United States or levying war against the United States. So this is not treason in the strict constitutional sense.
But here's the question.

Speaker 4 Isn't it something just as dangerous? Isn't it an attempt, intentional or not, to plant the idea inside the military that the president's orders are optional?

Speaker 4 Is it a test balloon? Is it a rehearsal? Is it a way of saying when political sides disagree with the president, the military should stand with us?

Speaker 4 Or is it at the very best just completely reckless and irresponsible political theater that forgets the most sacred principle in American governance, the military does not take sides.

Speaker 4 Period.

Speaker 4 Even if these lawmakers thought they were just, you know, recommending moral guidance,

Speaker 4 They believed they were just reminding the troops to refuse illegal orders.

Speaker 4 That's not your job. That's the job of the generals and the job of Pete Hagseth.
They do that in every classroom. Every time they're sworn in, they are told those words.

Speaker 4 That comes from within the ranks, not from political leadership.

Speaker 4 They told that the rest of the world that in the bloodstream of our republic now is questioning the president. And that is unprecedented.

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I want to talk to you today. Today's theme of today's show is the Bubba Effect because it is here and we're seeing it in full force.

Speaker 4 I will show it to you in Dearborn, Michigan. I will show it to you with Nick Fuentes.
I will show it to you with Epstein. And I just showed it to you a different kind of the Bubba effect,

Speaker 4 institutional Bubba effect, with that statement that came out, you know, telling the troops to, you know, disown

Speaker 4 the president or don't don't follow orders, question orders. And you should do that.
And that is something they're taught in the military, but they're taught within the system.

Speaker 4 You know, it's not just that they made a message to the military. They sent that message.

Speaker 4 Imagine if the Duma would have sent that message to Putin and we received it and saw it, we'd be like, their government is falling apart. Their military is falling apart.
Look at this.

Speaker 4 What message is that sending to China and Russia and all of our allies?

Speaker 4 It's bad. Very bad.

Speaker 4 So there is a moment in every republic, every empire, every nation that historians will look back on and go, yep, that was it. That was the biggest warning.
That was the last warning.

Speaker 4 And I think we are living in that moment right now.

Speaker 4 When Congress told active duty military to ignore the orders of the commander-in-chief,

Speaker 4 you got a problem. When you can't get a federal judge impeached

Speaker 4 because he approved something that has never been done in American history, granting one branch of the government the right to secretly surveil the other without notice,

Speaker 4 constitutionally, you must notify you're under surveillance. Okay, if they're doing a mass thing, you have to notify because that's a second branch.
Otherwise, Otherwise, you break up the branches.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 4 These are not political stories. These are constitutional earthquakes and no one's talking about them.

Speaker 4 So now the question is, what now? What has to happen if the Republic is going to survive the stress of these fractures that everybody seems to be creating and dancing on?

Speaker 4 Let me outline it plainly here because all of us have a role. One, Congress.
Congress, you have to discipline your own.

Speaker 4 If If lawmakers can publicly encourage military resistance without consequence, then Congress has surrendered its moral authority. You cannot police the executive branch.

Speaker 4 You can't oversee the intelligence agencies. You can't demand transparency if you cannot police your own members.

Speaker 4 Censure is not vengeance. It's maintenance.
It's routine. It's necessary.
Constitutional maintenance. And if Congress refuses to do it, then the precedent remains and it gets worse.

Speaker 4 And history shows us no nation survives a politicized military ever.

Speaker 4 Two, the military. You have to restate

Speaker 4 the chain of command publicly and immediately. The Joint Chiefs don't need a press conference.
They don't need hearings.

Speaker 4 They just need to say the United States Armed Forces obey all lawful orders of the president.

Speaker 4 That sentence, those exact words, that's the firewall between an American republic and every failed nation in history.

Speaker 4 The silence so far is not reassuring.

Speaker 4 3. The judiciary, especially the Supreme Court, closed the door on the Boesberg case.
He opened a door that is so dangerous.

Speaker 4 No judge, no matter how noble his intentions, has the authority to rewrite the separation of powers. If one branch can secretly spy on another, then you have no checks and balances.

Speaker 4 You have a surveillance government.

Speaker 4 The Supreme Court must intervene, not Trump, not even Congress,

Speaker 4 but for the survival of co-equal branches. If they don't, this is the new normal.
And you don't come back from that one either.

Speaker 4 And now the hardest part, the one that everybody talks about, nobody does

Speaker 4 the role of the cultural leaders and people like me in the media in a functioning republic this is supposed to be where the media steps in this is where the cultural leaders the voices left right center stop obsessing over clickbait and start explaining to the people what just happened Why it's unprecedented, why it matters, how we as citizens need to respond.

Speaker 4 But look around. Do you see anyone in the press doing that? Do you see anyone in Hollywood doing that? You see anybody in academia doing that? No, you don't.

Speaker 4 Because America's cultural class no longer sees its role as the guardian of the republic.

Speaker 4 Who's the guardian?

Speaker 4 They're guardians of ideology.

Speaker 4 So what do we do?

Speaker 4 Well, we do what Americans have always done when institutionals fail. We step in ourselves.
But if we don't care,

Speaker 4 that's it.

Speaker 4 The founders never trusted the press. They trusted the people.

Speaker 4 So that's where we are now.

Speaker 4 And we all have to model what a responsible media or a

Speaker 4 responsible citizen should be doing. So let me show you right now how a responsible broadcaster responds to a constitutional breach.

Speaker 4 My fellow Americans,

Speaker 4 this is not about Donald Trump. This is not about Democrats.
This is not about Republicans. It's not how you vote.

Speaker 4 This is about whether the military stays under civilian authority, whether our adversaries overseas

Speaker 4 are given the indication that we are ripe for the taking.

Speaker 4 This is about judges that want to erase the separation of powers. The separation of power is what has kept this constitutional republic going for all of these years.

Speaker 4 Most importantly, this is about whether your children will inherit a functioning republic. And if the mainstream media won't tell you, then I will.

Speaker 4 That right there is the job.

Speaker 4 to preserve the republic. So our children and grandchildren, and that is what we all should be doing.
That's what the press should be doing. That's what cultural figures should be doing.

Speaker 4 You call out the violations of constitutional order, no matter who benefits, no matter who gets angry, no matter what tribe demands your silence. This is what leadership looks like.
This is wrong.

Speaker 4 This has never been done before. This breaks constitutional boundaries and it has to be corrected immediately.

Speaker 4 Americans, you

Speaker 4 understand

Speaker 4 the Bubba effect is here and it's everywhere.

Speaker 4 You are going to see people that you're like, well, he's really wrong on that and that's really outrageous and I don't agree with that, but at least he's right on this one.

Speaker 4 And it will always be to question the system, to break it down.

Speaker 4 So what do you do?

Speaker 4 Well, you don't riot. You don't panic.
You don't despair.

Speaker 4 We are headed into Thanksgiving. Give thanks for the crosses that we bear.
Give thanks because our liberty, our freedom, should we decide to keep it, will be more valuable to us.

Speaker 4 But you should call your representatives. I'm so sick of calling my representatives, but you should do it anyway.
You need to demand transparency. You need to insist on consequences.

Speaker 4 Don't normalize what is happening. Well, they're all like that.
Stop it.

Speaker 4 Stop it. If that's what you expect, that is what you will get.

Speaker 4 But understand this: the cure for constitutional drift is not rage.

Speaker 4 The answer is not anger. It's not division.
It is citizenship.

Speaker 4 It's also not apathy. If we sleep through this, the system will break, guaranteed.

Speaker 4 But if you wake up, stand up, and insist on boundaries, eventually it will happen. I know you're tired.
I know you don't want to do it anymore.

Speaker 4 I know you're just desperate for an answer because the time is running short, but now is not the time to act in

Speaker 4 ways where we dishonor ourselves, in ways where we throw in with a lot. We're like, that's really bad, but

Speaker 4 at least they're pointing it out. You point it out.

Speaker 4 Once you start standing up, once we as a people,

Speaker 4 all you need is 20%.

Speaker 4 20%, anywhere between 15 and 20% of the American people.

Speaker 4 If they understand the Constitution, if they understand the Bill of Rights, if they understand that God has put us in this place at this time and each of us have a reason to live, we're here for a reason.

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Speaker 4 I think I have a really important insight on

Speaker 4 the Epstein case. We'll do that here in just a few minutes.
Welcome to it. It's Friday before Black Friday.

Speaker 4 Next Thursday is, of course, Thanksgiving. We'll be off for the week.
You know, Black Friday, people, I don't think people really understand.

Speaker 4 Long before it meant long lines and shopping sales and everything else, in the 19th century, in the 1800s, do you know what Black Friday was?

Speaker 4 I don't. No.

Speaker 3 What was it?

Speaker 4 It was... It was a warning.
It was words used to describe financial panic and markets collapsing. It happened on Black Friday.
Black Friday.

Speaker 4 Everything, gold collapsed, silver collapsed, the dollar collapsed, everything collapsed. Black Friday was meant to be danger.
Then in the 1950s, it appeared again, but it was a warning.

Speaker 4 It started with the Philadelphia Police Department. The Philadelphia Police Department borrowed that term because they felt it was like societal collapse.

Speaker 4 The gridlock, the shoplifting, the crowds that would all turn out after Thanksgiving. It was such chaos, they didn't find anything festive about it.
They were like, it's Black Friday.

Speaker 4 So it came from Philadelphia, the disorder and the noise and the, I don't know, the cultural fever.

Speaker 4 However, Black Friday was actually, it actually happened because of FDR.

Speaker 4 I don't know if most people know this, but... Thanksgiving wasn't fixed on the

Speaker 4 Thursday of November. It was always held on the last Thursday of November.

Speaker 4 But in 1939, the Depression was going on and all of these big companies were like, we've got to sell more product before Christmas. We need more time.

Speaker 4 And so they appealed to FDR and they said, move it to the floating Friday, move it to the Thursday so we have an extra week of sales before Thanksgiving.

Speaker 4 And so they pressured him to pull the country back into the black out of the red. It caused an uproar.
For a while, after he did it,

Speaker 4 most people didn't do it on the floating Friday, the last Friday. They did it or the second to the last Thursday.
They left it there at the first one.

Speaker 4 The people who celebrated it where we celebrate it now,

Speaker 4 they actually called it Franksgiving, Franklin Delano Roosevelt. They called it Franksgiving.

Speaker 4 Half the country was split. Some went with the president, others, and then finally we did it.
Congress settled it in 1941.

Speaker 4 So Black Friday didn't just appear. You know, Thursday was, you know, it was a sacred holiday in America.
And it was chained now calendar-wise to commerce and to shopping.

Speaker 4 And it was engineered by Washington. What began as a warning

Speaker 4 and then as a double warning, wow, the crowds come out and it's getting crazy here in Philadelphia. Now has just become this ritual that is Thanksgiving, just consumption, consumption, consumption.

Speaker 4 That amazing?

Speaker 3 Yeah, it kind of gets the original meaning a little bit of it.

Speaker 4 A little bit.

Speaker 4 A little bit.

Speaker 3 I do like that. The day after Thanksgiving, I like thinking about, you know, you're moving on to Christmas.

Speaker 3 You know, yeah, sure, there's a lot of commerce, but I'm not anti-commerce. I know you're not either.

Speaker 4 No, neither am I.

Speaker 3 You know, but I think it's that's a fascinating.

Speaker 3 This happens a lot, it feels like. People make

Speaker 3 something like a Black Friday, and then it winds up the initial meeting completely changes by the time we actually utilize it.

Speaker 4 yeah the patriot act yeah

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Speaker 4 Today is Friday, and before we go on vacation for a week, I feel it's necessary to inform you on a couple of things that I see that we really need to be aware of. Last hour, I talked to you all about

Speaker 4 the Bubba effect and how that is playing everywhere now, and people don't recognize it. It is the Bubba effect that you're seeing everywhere, everywhere.

Speaker 4 And specifically, I spent a few minutes on that video that the Democrats released to our military and to our CIA.

Speaker 4 It is, it's not something you hang somebody for. Donald Trump is

Speaker 4 wrong on that.

Speaker 4 But I do believe it is extraordinarily dangerous. And whether or not they go to jail, I mean, I don't know the law, so I don't know if they can go to jail or not on this, but Congress has to act.

Speaker 4 This was so immoral and so

Speaker 4 seditious. I do believe it was seditious against the United States and and so hurtful to our stability here in the United States.
What do you think China thought about that?

Speaker 4 All right, so that was last hour. This hour I want to talk to you about how misdirection is being used again

Speaker 4 to divide us. And it's dividing us because we don't know what the real issue is.
We haven't figured it out. This week, we've talked about Donald Trump and Epstein.

Speaker 4 We've talked about Larry Summers and Epstein. We've talked about, you know, Jasmine Crockett and Epstein.
And all of it really is just really stupid stuff political name calling why

Speaker 4 why are we talking about this

Speaker 4 well there's a couple of reasons i think and i'm not i'm not really sure which one it is one

Speaker 4 we're just stupid and we like cakes and circus that's it we just like the circus of it all we like the spectacle and so it's a game to us and so we just play this game

Speaker 4 i don't like that one but it's possible The second one is we're being manipulated with misdirection and we have no idea we're being manipulated.

Speaker 4 And we're being manipulated in a way to where they give us this to argue about, so we don't see the real issue. Well, let me show you where I think the real issue on Epstein actually is

Speaker 4 and how

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Speaker 4 That's the real story. I'll tell you about the billions that have gone to terrorists from the U.S.
and Minnesota taxpayers here in a second.

Speaker 4 And when I talk about that, what most people will do is they'll fight over ICE. They'll say it's Islamophobia.
They'll fight over care, whatever.

Speaker 4 USAID, when that went down, well, that was just about feeding hungry children. And it's all misdirection to get you away from the money.
So let me bring this now to Epstein.

Speaker 4 When a bank detects suspicious activity, when they see something that looks like money laundering, human trafficking, tax evasion, sending money overseas to terrorists, they don't send a polite note to the supervisor in hope somebody reads it.

Speaker 4 They are required by federal law after 9-11 to file what is called a SAR. It's a suspicious activity report, a SAR.

Speaker 4 They have to report that directly to the U.S. Treasury Department through FinCEN, Financial Center for Crimes.

Speaker 4 Once a SAR is filed, the bank isn't even allowed to tell you that they filed it. They just hit send.
It's locked. The Treasury is notified.

Speaker 4 Now, this system, like I said, was built after 9-11, built after decades of financial corruption.

Speaker 4 A system designed that no single banker, no single executive, no single billionaire can make illicit money and then have it just disappear offshore.

Speaker 4 This is activated. If you draw $10,000 out of your account, you're moving $10,000,

Speaker 4 you get a SAR report and it goes directly to the Treasury. And when the bank flags something suspicious,

Speaker 4 the SAR is called a yellow ticket. And it's not a suggestion.
It's not a memo. It is a federal alert.

Speaker 4 That triggers monitoring by the Treasury, the FBI, Homeland Security, depending on what the flags indicate.

Speaker 4 Now that you understand that let me talk to you about jeffrey epstein between 2002 and 2016 jp morgan chase filed seven sars seven yellow tickets on epstein seven

Speaker 4 over 14 years

Speaker 4 those reports flagged a grand total of 4.3 million dollars in sketchy activity okay

Speaker 4 it's all you know it's a decade plus four million dollars

Speaker 4 you can make all kinds of excuses for that, right?

Speaker 4 But after Epstein died, when the government finally unsealed the sex trafficking details, details that they had held on to for years,

Speaker 4 JPMorgan Chase suddenly panicked because the floodgates suddenly opened. In 2019, two SARS were flagged.
Two SARS were sent to the Treasury. They flagged over 5,000 suspicious wire transfers.

Speaker 4 We're not talking $4 million.

Speaker 4 This is $1.3 billion.

Speaker 4 5,000 suspicious activity transfers and transactions of $1.3 billion.

Speaker 4 Now, let me just say this clearly so nobody really misses the gravity of this. You do not accidentally forget to report 5,000 suspicious wires.
You don't like, where did we put that $1.3 billion?

Speaker 4 Okay. You don't misplace a billion dollars in wires to foreign banks and shell companies connected to then a convicted sex offender under federal investigation.
It doesn't happen.

Speaker 4 It doesn't happen.

Speaker 4 It doesn't happen because a junior banker made a mistake. It doesn't happen because the compliance officer was sleepy.

Speaker 4 It doesn't happen because somebody's inbox was full To not report that level of suspicious activities directly to the Treasury,

Speaker 4 first of all, is against all federal law. At a minimum, multiple officers, multiple departments, multiple sign-offs choosing not to look.

Speaker 4 $1.3 billion,

Speaker 4 5,000 suspicious activities.

Speaker 4 Why?

Speaker 4 Why did nobody report that?

Speaker 4 Well, now, according to

Speaker 4 internal emails, J.P. Morgan Chase held off the filing of the SARS.
Now, let me ask you this.

Speaker 4 If you had one suspicious, if you withdrew $10,000 from your bank, are you really clear that your bank would do what the federal government directs? And I have to report this,

Speaker 4 and it's going to go to the treasury. Are you clear that they would do that on you?

Speaker 4 Because the answer is: yes, they would.

Speaker 4 Federal law requires it.

Speaker 4 But the bank decided: well, we want to continue to work with Epstein. He's valuable.
He's connected. He's a referral engine to some of the richest people in the world.

Speaker 4 He had sensitivities, according to the bank.

Speaker 4 Wire transfers to Russian banks.

Speaker 4 Wire transfers to shell corporations.

Speaker 4 Wire transfers from a guy who is engaged in sex trafficking.

Speaker 4 Links to top political figures, relationships with two U.S. presidents, both of whom Epstein at various times claimed to be very, very close with.
Let me explain.

Speaker 4 This is something most people don't know.

Speaker 4 Banks file SARS, suspicious activity reports, to the Treasury for far less than than this

Speaker 4 ten thousand dollars they flag it a business wires to an unusual location they flag it it's sent to the treasury a client sends repetitive round number transfers to an unknown entity they flag it it goes to the treasury a wire connected to anything resembling terror or human trafficking or exploitation they flag it right now

Speaker 4 banks don't wait for a 5,000 for 5,000 suspicious transactions. They don't wait.
They file over one.

Speaker 4 So how did Epstein get through 5,000 suspicious activity reports without triggering any alarms?

Speaker 4 Well, not because the alarms were broken, because they weren't. It's because somebody turned them off.

Speaker 4 I'd like to know who turned those off.

Speaker 4 I'd like to know why they were turned off.

Speaker 4 I would like to know if it was just the leadership of the bank, I'd like to know that every single one of those bank officers all the way to the top go to prison.

Speaker 4 Not some slap on the wrist, not some, well, you're well connected, so we're going to let this other guy pay for it. I want all of them in prison.

Speaker 4 You broke federal law, something we all, all of us, have to abide by.

Speaker 4 we are we have had we have had our treasury we've had our government snoop into our lives watch everything we do and we're not connected to human trafficking we're not selling children

Speaker 4 we're not convicted felons we're not transferring 1.3 billion dollars after we've been convicted

Speaker 4 SARS are not these suspicious activity reports they are not decided by a single teller.

Speaker 4 They have to pass, they pass through compliance teams, risk divisions, bank lawyers, federal liaison officers. This isn't one bad apple.
It's an entire system.

Speaker 4 And Senator Wyden, no conservative firebrand, I might point out, is now openly saying what everybody knows privately, J.P. Morgan Chase should face criminal investigation.

Speaker 4 And it should go all the way to the top. And it should not be civil.
It should be criminal.

Speaker 4 Because because if you or i did this if we had sent just a handful of suspicious wires the bank would freeze your account notify the treasury before you could blink

Speaker 4 but jeffrey epstein a billion dollars worth of exceptions hmm

Speaker 4 hmm

Speaker 4 Wow, that seems much more important than a stupid birthday card.

Speaker 4 Let me ask you this, the question the DOJ doesn't want to touch.

Speaker 4 How many people does it take inside a bank to make 5,000 suspicious transactions just vanish for 17 years? Is it five people? Is it 10?

Speaker 4 Is it a department head, a board member? $5,000, $1.3 billion.

Speaker 4 Was Epstein, did it happen because Epstein was useful to the powerful?

Speaker 4 So nobody wanted to know?

Speaker 4 Did this happen because others were involved?

Speaker 4 Does it really matter what their excuse was?

Speaker 4 Here's a terrifying question. If a bank can look the other way on $1.3 billion for a sex trafficker, what else have the banks learned to ignore?

Speaker 4 Hmm.

Speaker 4 I'm beginning to think the banks are a real problem. Hmm.

Speaker 4 There's a new idea.

Speaker 4 This story isn't just about Epstein. This is about the machinery that allowed him to operate.

Speaker 4 All of the middlemen, all of the financial networks, all of the institutions that treated him like an asset instead of a criminal. And I do believe he was an asset.

Speaker 4 Intelligence asset?

Speaker 4 I do believe he was probably an asset to our intelligence, although I hear both sides. No, no, that's not true.

Speaker 4 oh yes it's definitely true I don't know what the truth is I don't think it's unreasonable to say he was an asset for a foreign government maybe Israel maybe somebody else I don't know but also an asset for us

Speaker 4 that happens all the time apparently we do all kinds of horrible things why not

Speaker 4 Senator Wyden says he wants to follow the money. Well, good.

Speaker 4 For the first time in a long time, maybe the money is finally pointing pointing us somewhere. And it's not just here.

Speaker 4 And by the way, if anybody still believes this ends with one dead man in jail,

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Speaker 4 Why?

Speaker 4 Well, I think because the bank and maybe the treasury are in on it. Or at least they're so incredibly incompetent that they just can't see it.

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Speaker 4 So, where are you on this Epstein thing and these yellow tickets?

Speaker 4 I mean, it's phenomenal.

Speaker 4 You're so picky.

Speaker 4 You know, you are

Speaker 3 the minutia that you will focus on 5,000 reports.

Speaker 2 Come on.

Speaker 3 This just could easily have passed by with nobody noticing. I'd be interested to hear, maybe you know this information.

Speaker 3 I don't, but I'd be interested to hear, like, what, like, how, how many of, are there other other instances where this type of stuff happens or where they're, where they miss 5,000 of these reports?

Speaker 4 Like, is that a common thing?

Speaker 3 Is it just a really incompetent system?

Speaker 4 Or is there something? I've seen it once before. I've seen it once before.
Okay.

Speaker 4 Oh, no.

Speaker 4 Hunter Biden.

Speaker 4 Gee.

Speaker 4 Seriously. Hunter Biden.

Speaker 4 They had Treasury. I don't think they had 5,000, but they had a lot.
completely ignored.

Speaker 4 And that was government officials coming in and going, let's ignore that.

Speaker 4 Nothing to look into there.

Speaker 4 That's what happened there. What happened this time? Who stepped in? Did it stop at the banking level? Did it go higher than that? Man, our government is so unbelievably corrupt.

Speaker 4 I think Donald Trump, it's really weird because I think Donald Trump understood what he was facing this time.

Speaker 4 and could handle

Speaker 4 what he needed to do in 2016, but I don't think understood it deeply enough, didn't have the right people around him to do it. You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 And he comes in this time and he makes all of these huge moves and he's got it.

Speaker 4 But I think there's a deeper level to it that I'm not sure. I'm not sure.
I don't know if anyone can do it. If anyone, if he can't do it, no one can.
But

Speaker 4 the corruption of our intel,

Speaker 4 I believe, our corruption inside of our Justice Department,

Speaker 4 our banking system.

Speaker 4 I think, this is just me conjecture. I think

Speaker 4 years from now, decades from now, we will find out that our Intel was actually working for the big banks. That the Intel does not answer to Congress.
It doesn't answer to the president.

Speaker 4 It answers to the real money, the big banks of this country. They are tied in.

Speaker 4 Can't prove that. It's just a sense that I have.

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Speaker 4 All right. Let me take you to Minnesota now.

Speaker 4 I don't want to talk to you about politics or elections, culture wars, but something far, far more dangerous and more fundamental because the City Journal has uncovered

Speaker 4 not a fraud scandal. This isn't waste.
It's not inefficiency. This is a pipeline directly from your wallet.
And this,

Speaker 4 what I'm about to tell you is all based on Ryan Thorpe and Christopher Ruffo's

Speaker 4 reporting. That is some of the best reporting I have seen.
And

Speaker 4 this is crazy.

Speaker 4 The largest single funder, the largest single funder of that pipeline today from your wallet to a foreign terror group,

Speaker 4 according to multiple federal sources,

Speaker 4 is the taxpayer of the state of Minnesota.

Speaker 4 Let me repeat that because it's not a punchline. This is not hyperbole.
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Speaker 4 According to federal counterterrorism sources quoted by the City Journal, quote, the largest funder of Al-Shabaab is the Minnesota taxpayer. What is al-Shabaab?

Speaker 4 In case you don't remember, It is the East African branch of al-Qaeda. This is the same group that bombs hotels.
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Speaker 4 They publicly behead those who defy their authority. And that, the major funder, is you in Minnesota.

Speaker 4 And this is what happens when you mix a naive, wide open, no questions-asked welfare machine with a political class terrified of being called a racist.

Speaker 4 And then a political class that's actually in on it as well. And then you throw in a media terrified of reporting anything that challenges progressive dogma.

Speaker 4 And then a community where Klan networks and overseas loyalties operate underneath the radar of government because government's unwilling to look there.

Speaker 4 That is the perfect storm. That's Minnesota.
And it is drowning inside of that storm.

Speaker 4 Now, it started with a program

Speaker 4 called HSS, the Housing Stabilization Services.

Speaker 4 It was launched in 2020 to help people on the margins, the addicts, the elderly, the mentally ill. Noble idea.
But it was designed with everything a criminal enterprise dreams of.

Speaker 4 Low barriers to entry, minimal requirements for reimbursement. billions in Medicaid dollars with almost zero verification.

Speaker 4 Now, before the program even started, bureaucrats estimated it might cost $2.6 million a year.

Speaker 4 In four years, it went from 2.6 to 21 million. Then the next year, 42 million.
The next year, 74 million to over $100 million every year. 2.6 to over 100.

Speaker 4 This year alone, 77 HSS providers have been terminated for credible allegations of fraud. 77.

Speaker 4 I don't know if you saw this. The acting attorney, U.S.
attorney, said, quote, the vast majority of this program was fraudulent. Not overbilling, not paperwork, no mistakes.

Speaker 4 Fictitious companies, empty storefronts, ghost clients, stacks of faked claims. Six of the eight defendants indicated that they were members of the Minnesota Somali community.

Speaker 4 But this is the first ripple.

Speaker 4 There was another scheme, the $250 million mega scheme.

Speaker 4 That came from Feeding Our Future. Feeding Our Future is a nonprofit that went from $3 million

Speaker 4 to $200 million in federal food aid dollars. In two years,

Speaker 4 $3 million to a straight line up to $200 million

Speaker 4 to help feed the hungry in Minnesota in two years.

Speaker 4 Wow.

Speaker 4 Fake meal accounts, fake attendance, fake invoices. Dozens of defendants, primarily members of Minnesota's Somali community.

Speaker 4 Some of them bought luxury homes, fancy cars, properties in Kenya and Turkey. And when the state raised any kind of concern, the group sued, claiming racism.

Speaker 4 And then it was like, oh, I don't know what racism. I don't know what you're going to call that.

Speaker 4 The investigators were chastised. The politicians stayed quiet.
The media refused.

Speaker 4 By the way, that's the governor you could have had as vice president right now everyone knew the rule don't question you can't criticize okay if you want to survive politically no so the cost 250 million dollars stolen right there hung on the backs of taxpayers who believe they were feeding hungry kids now add on to that so we got two scandals now add on to that the autism scam

Speaker 4 Days after those indictments, another scheme exploded, autism services. A Somali woman already tied to Feeding Our Future was charged with leading a $14 million Medicaid fraud ring.

Speaker 4 That was invented diagnosis.

Speaker 4 They bought parents with kickbacks. They created a network of fake autism centers.
Autism spending in Minnesota jumped from $3 million

Speaker 4 to $399 million in just a couple of years. Providers ballooned from 41 providers to 328.

Speaker 4 One in 16 Somalia four-year-olds were suddenly diagnosed. One in every 16 suddenly had autism.
That's triple the state average. And nobody was, nobody's looking into that.

Speaker 4 What's happening in the Somali community?

Speaker 4 This wasn't care. This wasn't treatment.
This was a racket.

Speaker 4 And It wasn't isolated.

Speaker 4 Let me tell you what the U.S. attorney, Joseph Thompson, said.
He said,

Speaker 4 these schemes form a web that has stolen billions of dollars.

Speaker 4 So why did nobody ask where that money went? Where'd the money go?

Speaker 4 Oof.

Speaker 4 You're not going to like the answer.

Speaker 4 Somalia depends on remittances from abroad.

Speaker 4 $1.7 billion sent to Somalia last year alone. That is more money than the country's entire government budget.

Speaker 4 Imagine somebody sending us $6 trillion.

Speaker 4 That's what happened in Somalia. Investigators told Chris Ruffo and the City Journal that welfare recipients in Minnesota were sending the money overseas called Hawala.
money transfer networks.

Speaker 4 They were moving tens of millions of dollars all the time. And al-Shabaab, the terrorist organization, takes a cut of every dollar entering the Somali Klan channels.

Speaker 4 One terrorism task force investigator said, every cent sent back to Somalia benefits al-Shabaab in some way. It's not speculation.
It's not theory. It's not conjecture.

Speaker 4 This is the conclusion of multiple federal investigators who have spent years tracking the money flow.

Speaker 4 They said Minnesota Somalia Somali community runs a sophisticated money pipeline directly from the pockets of U.S. taxpayers directly to Somalia.

Speaker 4 Where welfare dollars fraudulently obtained transferred to Somalia, al-Shabaab benefits every single time. And here's the part that should terrify everybody.

Speaker 4 They warn that if one terrorist attack can be traced back to these funds, the entire country will discover overnight that we were financing the very groups sworn to destroy us.

Speaker 4 Again, you're going to find this in Epstein. You're going to find this we already did with USAID.
You're going to find this everywhere. The greatest heist of

Speaker 4 human history, the largest robbery of wealth has been happening right under our noses, and we didn't even know the bank. turned off the alarms.

Speaker 4 All of our wealth being transferred out.

Speaker 4 Why didn't Minnesota stop this? Why didn't any of the journalists investigate this? Why didn't the officials sound the alarm?

Speaker 4 Well,

Speaker 4 here's a reason. If you don't win the Somali community, you don't win Minneapolis.
And if you don't win Minneapolis, you don't win the state. That's it.

Speaker 4 You're going to say anything about it? Of course not. Of course, you're not going to say a damn thing about it.

Speaker 4 Elon Omar's staff advocated for the very groups later charged with fraud. State officials were looking the other way.

Speaker 4 Democratic leadership refused audits, oversight, even any kind of scrutiny because the political cost of calling out fraud, if it incurred inside that Somali community, was considered higher than the cost of losing billions of your dollars.

Speaker 4 So they let it grow. They let it metastasize.
They let it intertwine with criminal and terrorist networks overseas.

Speaker 4 You're just an Islamophobe. It's not about ethnicity.

Speaker 4 This is about a system that refuses to protect its own citizens. Enough is enough.

Speaker 4 Is every Somali Minnesotan responsible? No, that's absurd.

Speaker 4 But ignoring the fact that organized fraud rings have emerged inside a specific community that doesn't have loyalty many times to the United States of America

Speaker 4 when nobody would look into it.

Speaker 4 FBI,

Speaker 4 investigative journalists, nobody. That's not tolerance.
It's negligence. It's cowardice.

Speaker 4 And it has allowed billions of dollars meant for the poor in our nation, your hard-earned money, to become an international money laundering system that helps finance the second largest al-Qaeda franchise on planet Earth.

Speaker 4 This is what happens when ideology replaces oversight, when equity replaces accountability, when fear of being labeled a racist overrides the responsibility to

Speaker 4 protect taxpayers or safeguard national security.

Speaker 4 Minnesota didn't just mismanage welfare programs. It didn't just lose money.
It didn't just fall asleep.

Speaker 4 It built through fear and politics and denial the perfect getaway through which billions of our dollars could pour from American safety net programs into overseas networks that feed, support, and expand the reach of violent jihadist organizations.

Speaker 4 Wow.

Speaker 4 I think it was the U.S. attorney said should take your breath away.
It does.

Speaker 4 It does.

Speaker 4 Now,

Speaker 4 here's the thing. I started talking to you today about the Bubba effect.

Speaker 4 You're seeing the Bubba effect happening now in Dearborn. You got a guy who's, you know, wrapping a Koran in bacon,

Speaker 4 and all kinds of trouble is happening because of it. And I don't know any common sense individual on either side of the aisle that thinks that's a good idea, okay?

Speaker 4 But a lot of people,

Speaker 4 including me, at times will go, yeah, well, look what he's saying, though. It's not about the bacon.
It's not about the Koran. Look what he's saying.
This is out of control and nobody's saying it.

Speaker 4 At least he's saying it.

Speaker 4 No, no, no, that's the Bubba effect. No.

Speaker 4 He's wrong in what he's doing. He's not necessarily wrong in what it is highlighting.

Speaker 4 But we can't be part of the Bubba effect. Let's just highlight the real stuff.

Speaker 4 But people get so frustrated it takes bacon and a Koran to make people pay attention, I guess. This is not a Minnesota story.
This isn't even a story of about Somalia. This is a story about USAID.

Speaker 4 This is a story about Epstein. This is a story about all of our money.
And this is a story about silence and fear and institutional corruption and surrender.

Speaker 4 And unless we confront it honestly, unflinchingly, immediately, with truth,

Speaker 4 we're all going to be poor. We will all end up being Somalia.

Speaker 4 Because in the end, every last dime that we have will be taken and shipped someplace else and used against us for our own demise. Back in just a minute.

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Speaker 4 All right, so I want to talk to you about Thanksgiving Thanksgiving here for a little bit because it's not about turkey. It's not about the football or the parade with the giant inflatables.

Speaker 4 You know, that's not, you know, that's not even the Thanksgiving parade. That's the Macy's Day parade.
It's a store reminding you to buy products, but it's part of our tradition now.

Speaker 4 All of these things, you know, planes, trains, and automobiles is a tradition. We watch.
We're going to watch it next week. You know, we watch the dog show after the Macy's Day parade.

Speaker 4 We have the dog show on as we're preparing, you know, Thanksgiving meal, et cetera, et cetera. Those things we do every year, but those are ornaments

Speaker 4 on a much older tree. At its core, Thanksgiving is the American holiday that is supposed to force us quietly, maybe stubbornly, to confront the truth of who we are and where we've been.

Speaker 4 Thanksgiving started with a small band of people that had every reason under the sun to curse the circumstances that they had found themselves in. And they chose to give thanks instead.

Speaker 4 Half of them had died on the trip over, the pilgrims, half of them died on the trip over. Then the first winter comes.
They were woefully unprepared. They weren't ready.

Speaker 4 And what of the half that was left, half of those guys died in the winter.

Speaker 4 Spring comes. They go to work.
They till, they learn, they plant, they reap, they stored.

Speaker 4 And then around this time of the year, after all that work was done, they stopped to recognize what happened to them and they weren't celebrating abundance they were celebrating survival they were celebrating providence that fragile flicker of hope that god had preserved them for some reason unbeknownst to them because certainly what they did didn't it didn't deserve that

Speaker 4 and that's the real meaning of thanksgiving it's gratitude in the face of hardship

Speaker 4 i think all of us have faced hardships a lot of hardships recently, a lot of woe, a lot of trouble. That's what this is about.
Get your family together.

Speaker 4 If your family has been through hardship because you're split on whatever it is, stop all of that nonsense. Stop it.
Just say, hey, we've had hard times, all of us.

Speaker 4 We just want to get together and thank God that we're all still together.

Speaker 4 Gratitude in the face of hardship, humility before blessings that you didn't earn.

Speaker 4 A recognition that freedom, true freedom, always costs something.

Speaker 4 And thanksgiving reminds us that our country did not begin with triumph. It began with humility and thanks

Speaker 4 is the one thing that calls us back to something older than politics, deeper than division.

Speaker 4 The idea that we are not held together by force, not by the government, not by the screens in our pockets, not by shared acknowledgement of our rights.

Speaker 4 Our lives and our liberties, they come from God. That's what brings us together.

Speaker 4 Not kings, not presidents, not parties, but our shared rights and the humility to be able to say, my gosh, what a miracle that is.

Speaker 4 And maybe the closest we get to that now in today's age is just the family gathered around the table.

Speaker 4 But

Speaker 4 even that is only the doorway.

Speaker 4 If we stop at the family around the table, we miss the whole point. Thanksgiving is the quiet confession that we are dependent on something much greater than ourselves.

Speaker 4 That America's strength begins not with the clenched fist, but the open hand lifted in gratitude.

Speaker 4 This year,

Speaker 4 remember, it's not the meal. It's not the game.
It's not the dog show.

Speaker 4 It's not all the traditions that mean so much to each of us piled on top of all of that. This is ancient.

Speaker 4 This is a simple act of people pausing just for a moment to say, Man, out of this whole year and all of the things that have happened, we have survived.

Speaker 4 Thank you, God, thank you for everything, even the hard things,

Speaker 4 maybe especially the hard things. Thank you, thank you.
It has shaped us into the nation worth giving thanks for.

Speaker 4 That's Thanksgiving, that's America,

Speaker 4 And for that,

Speaker 4 I am grateful. I am thankful.

Speaker 4 I'm also thankful for a good friend of mine who, Dave Issei, is

Speaker 4 the founder and president of Story Corps.

Speaker 4 Story Corps has preserved voices of the American story for the National Archives, and he has been with Story Corps. He started it, 20th anniversary of Story Corps, I think was 2023.

Speaker 4 And he comes on from time to time and he shares some of the stories.

Speaker 4 Welcome, Dave. How are you, sir?

Speaker 6 Glenn, I'm doing great. It's great to hear your voice.

Speaker 4 Yeah, likewise. Likewise.

Speaker 4 Dave, you're going to share a story with us of

Speaker 4 gratitude and thanksgiving. Do you want to set this up?

Speaker 6 Sure. And

Speaker 6 that intro was absolutely gorgeous, Glenn.

Speaker 6 Thank you for that.

Speaker 6 Everything you said, 100% true.

Speaker 6 And we do have a true story.

Speaker 4 Wait, wait, before you, you know what,

Speaker 4 while we're here,

Speaker 4 before we get into the story, I am so grateful for you.

Speaker 4 You are working so hard to get people to sit down with one another and just talk. They disagree, but just talk.
Try to lessen divisions in our country. And

Speaker 4 thank you for that, Dave. How's that going?

Speaker 6 Thank you. I mean, you know, I listen to you preaching this every day in in between the Jasmine Crockett talking about A.
Jeffrey Epstein. And that was a great segment yesterday, Glenn.

Speaker 6 But you have a message that you're pounding your audience day in and day out. We have to love one another.
We have to show each other grace. We have to love this country.

Speaker 6 We have to love each other or we have no future. And, you know,

Speaker 6 the Glenbeck audience is the main conservative participant audience in this effort where we're putting strangers together across the divides to get to know each other as human beings, not to talk about politics.

Speaker 6 And I mean, it goes all the way to Michaela on your team reaching out to my team to do an interview. I mean, it's just like part of the DNA of

Speaker 6 the show. And, you know, it is our patriotic duty to see the humanity in people with whom we may disagree.
I mean, that goes to the heart of what you were just saying about Thanksgiving.

Speaker 6 And I'm so grateful for that.

Speaker 6 And we would love, we want every, you know, this is, we're here to talk about Thanksgiving, but every Glenn Beck listener, viewer, everybody in the the community, when we see, when my team sees a Glenn Beck listener name come in to participate, they go right to the top of the list because they're the smartest, most, and you know this, Glenn, your audience, most thoughtful, heartfelt, nuanced, you know, human beings.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I know you do. I, and you can hear that in the show every single day.
So, um, people can go to takeonesmallstep.org.

Speaker 6 And, you know, look, it is unbelievably hard. You know, I got a text from a guy who

Speaker 6 is like the smartest person on polarization in the country

Speaker 6 earlier this year. And he basically is like, the time for the work is going to come.
Let's keep aiming for the stars.

Speaker 6 But it's going to be hard and it's going to get harder and harder and harder and harder. But we will.

Speaker 4 Harder and harder. It's going to be.

Speaker 6 It's going to be trench warfare, but there is another story of America, and that other story is going to win. And Glenn, to have you as a brother in this thing, and I do only come on occasionally, but

Speaker 6 I think we both feel pretty close to each other. And we come from, you know,

Speaker 6 we came from different politics, you know, but the minute we met each other,

Speaker 4 you know,

Speaker 4 we care.

Speaker 6 We're like brothers. And 99% of things we agree on, you know.

Speaker 4 So this is, and we're living in an

Speaker 6 illusion. You know, 90% of the country are sane.
They're just like, they're looking for a way out. Part of the exhausted majority.

Speaker 6 And we we have these like loud, nutty voices on the fringes that are driving us absolutely bonkers.

Speaker 6 And it's not going to end well if we can't figure out a way to get people to remember who we really are as Americans. And it's, you know, it's everything you just said.

Speaker 6 And, you know, and you say it over and over again: blessed are the peacemakers, you know, and that's your audience.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Well, if you want to get involved,

Speaker 4 please, you don't, you go to takeonesmallstep.org, and that's just you sitting down with somebody and finding the common humanity. And it is a really, I mean, Michaela is still talking about it.

Speaker 4 She did it, what, two years ago? And she is still talking about what an amazing experience

Speaker 4 it was. Takeonesmallstep.org and they'll fill you in on everything.
So Dave, tell me the Thanksgiving message here.

Speaker 6 Yeah. Okay.
So we have a story for you. So this is from, you know, this is from not from One Small Step.

Speaker 6 This is from regular Story Corps where we've had hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of Americans come together, you you know, and really in many ways just to thank each other in these 40-minute conversations they have about who they are, what they care about.

Speaker 6 All everyday people, none of the nonsense, none of the BS,

Speaker 6 you know, fringe crazy stuff that we were just talking about. So, this is John Cruitt and Cecile Doyle.

Speaker 6 In 1958, John Cruitt's mom dies two days before Christmas. She's been seriously ill.
He's in third grade,

Speaker 6 and his teacher, Cecile Doyle, is incredibly kind to him. And more than 50 years later, he decides he needs to write Mrs.
Doyle a letter. So let's listen to John Cruitt and Cecile Doyle.

Speaker 7 We talked about decorating the Christmas tree when I came home from school that day. But I walked into the living room and my aunt was there.
And she said, well, honey, mommy passed away this morning.

Speaker 7 And I remember at my mother's wake, Someone in my family came to me and said, Johnny, your teacher's here.

Speaker 8 When I found out she died, I could certainly relate to that. Because when I was 11, my own father died.
And you just don't know how you're going to go on without that person.

Speaker 7 When I returned to school, you waited until the other children left the room at the end of the day. And you told me that you were there if I needed you.

Speaker 7 When you bent over and kissed me on the head, it was really the only time someone said to me, I know what you're feeling and I know what you're missing.

Speaker 7 And I felt in a very real real way that things really would be okay.

Speaker 8 Well, John, I really loved you as a student, and I'm so glad that I could be there with you for that time.

Speaker 7 Many years later, when I became a teacher, I started to think more and more about you. And I started to think to myself, here I am with a memory of a teacher who changed my life.
And I've never...

Speaker 7 told her that.

Speaker 7 And that's why I finally wrote this letter. Dear Mrs.

Speaker 7 Doyle, if you are not the Cecile Doyle who taught English at Emerson School in Kearney, New Jersey, then I'm embarrassed and you can disregard the sentiments that follow.

Speaker 7 My name is John Cruitt and I was in your third grade class during the 1958-1959 school year. Two days before Christmas, my mother passed away.
And you told me that you were there if I needed you.

Speaker 7 I hope life has been as kind to you as you were to me. God God bless you, always.

Speaker 7 With great fondness, John.

Speaker 8 And your letter could not have come at a better time because my husband had Parkinson's and he was going downhill and I had just come home from the hospital and I read this beautiful letter and I just was overwhelmed.

Speaker 7 Well, the funny thing is when I finally wrote to you again after 54 years, I typed a letter. I was afraid my penmanship wasn't going to meet your standards.
Well, after all this time, Mrs.

Speaker 7 Doyle, all I can say to you is thank you. John, what can I say?

Speaker 8 I'm just glad that we made a difference in each other's life.

Speaker 4 Dave, all of these things are being collected in there at the National Archives. 100 years from now, what is the American story?

Speaker 4 What do you think they'll see when they listen to all these, what will they find?

Speaker 6 Easiest question I'll get all year.

Speaker 6 You know, the facilitators,

Speaker 6 what they're going to find is the basic goodness of the American people, period.

Speaker 6 Every kind of person, every state, every occupation, every political persuasion, you know, the people who listen to these interviews, who facilitate the interviews, who work for Story Corps, the facilitators, you know, they all come back.

Speaker 6 And if you ask them what they've learned, it's a version of the Ant Frank quote that people are basically good.

Speaker 6 So what they're going to hear is the good, you know, a lot of people often say to me, you know, if Martians came down to Earth and they could only hear one thing, God, I hope they hear those Story Corps interviews.

Speaker 6 And it's really who it's who we are. And we're living in a complete

Speaker 6 reality distortion zone in this kind of hate industrial complex.

Speaker 4 And it's all a big lie. It's a big lie.
Dave,

Speaker 4 you should go to Elon Musk and have these StoryCorps all put into the algorithm of Grok.

Speaker 4 It might help the. It might help the algorithm understand who we really are.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 I want AI to like us.

Speaker 6 Yes, exactly.

Speaker 6 I mean, look, I think AI would be much better with StoryCorps inside of it than without StoryCorps inside of it. So we are, we're thinking hard about that.

Speaker 6 We're on the same wavelength as always. And then I wish you and your family a fantastic holiday.
And I love you a lot for, you know, being in the arena with us every day on this thing.

Speaker 4 I love you, Dave. Thank you so much.
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Speaker 3 Can I highlight something here?

Speaker 3 Glenn, real quick about your monologue in particular before your great conversation with Dave,

Speaker 3 was

Speaker 3 that

Speaker 3 I did notice, you know, it was a great monologue about Thanksgiving traditions, and you did go on twice to mention the dog show. Didn't mention football once.

Speaker 4 Thought that was. I said the game, didn't I? Didn't I say the game?

Speaker 3 I thought it was fascinating.

Speaker 4 Yeah. You.

Speaker 4 Yes, for me, it's not a football game. It's the following.
It is for my family. It's just not me.
It's a dog show, yeah. So

Speaker 3 are you wearing the apron upstairs with a nice little game?

Speaker 4 I usually am the one setting the table. I usually am the one setting the table.
Yes, I am.

Speaker 3 That is the least surprising thing. Do you know the two teams that always play on Thanksgiving off the top of your head?

Speaker 4 Yeah,

Speaker 4 Army Navy. Yeah, okay.
That's what I thought. It's the Dodgers and

Speaker 4 the 76ers.

Speaker 3 Yep, Dodgers and 7s.

Speaker 4 What a historic battle.

Speaker 3 When they get together, you can just throw the record books out.

Speaker 4 Yeah. No,

Speaker 4 it's the Redskins and the Cowboys.

Speaker 4 Well,

Speaker 3 one of those two teams are still a team.

Speaker 4 Who is it? What is it?

Speaker 3 Cowboys and Lions, Glenn. Cowboys and Lions.
Always play on the game.

Speaker 4 Cowboys and the Lions. That's what I said.

Speaker 4 Cowboys and the.

Speaker 2 That was my mistake.

Speaker 4 You take a lion, take his fur off. What is he? Redskin.

Speaker 3 I don't know if that's scientifically accurate.

Speaker 4 You thought I was talking about the old Redskins. I wasn't.

Speaker 4 I was talking about the lions because the cowboys usually skin the lions, which they're not going to this year, but that's a different story. Well, they don't play each other.

Speaker 3 They never play each other. They don't play each other.

Speaker 4 They never play each other. That's why it's not going to happen this year or any other year.
Right.

Speaker 3 That's the male Thanksgiving tradition you're thinking about.

Speaker 4 Those cute little boots. That's why I'm the one setting the table.
Yeah, nothing.

Speaker 4 My wife is with my son and the rest of the family. They're screaming at the television.
And I'm like, okay, dinner is almost ready. I almost have the table set.

Speaker 4 Turn that down.

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Speaker 4 It was summer of 2025 when Cracker Barrel announced that they were going to go do something different and they were going to have a makeover.

Speaker 4 New logo. No nice old man, no Cracker Barrel, just Cracker Barrel.
Any other time in American history might not have been a big deal, but it became a big deal and and it was

Speaker 4 one of the biggest, dumbest moves, honestly, that

Speaker 4 I've seen in my life of a corporation

Speaker 4 because people felt like something that they held onto and cherished and loved was under attack.

Speaker 4 Was that the intent?

Speaker 4 Who...

Speaker 4 Who are the people that made the decision? What have they done to reverse the decision? And quite honestly,

Speaker 4 I heard from the guy who picked me up at the airport. I heard from one of the guys who was handling the baggage at the airport.
He said, what are you here for?

Speaker 4 I said, I'm going to meet with the head of Cracker Barrel. And he said, give her hell.

Speaker 4 The driver said, I don't know what they were thinking, but tell them we didn't like it.

Speaker 4 What you're going to hear in the podcast today is my conversation with two people, the CEO and the senior vice president. Senior vice president was brought in to fix the problems.

Speaker 4 There are parts of it that are very uncomfortable. Parts of it are honestly the usual blah blah blah PR stuff that you get.

Speaker 4 Well rehearsed, quite honestly, because

Speaker 4 the last time the CEO was on television, she was on ABC, Good Morning America, and it did not go well.

Speaker 4 This is her first television interview since.

Speaker 4 I don't know if they thought I would go easy on them, but I didn't.

Speaker 4 But I'm anxious to hear your thoughts, especially if you're watching and not just listening, because there is one moment that I think changed everything, at least for me.

Speaker 4 So that was the opening of the podcast. And you'll hear, you can get that podcast wherever you get your podcast, starting tomorrow.
It's on Blaze TV right now.

Speaker 4 You can watch it, and it's probably worth watching um you'll probably get on youtube too tomorrow um but it's it's really worth watching because of that one moment i want to play that moment here for a second um but you know

Speaker 4 it's really important that you're not used

Speaker 4 and i'm giving you this advice um and because i want to

Speaker 4 Because it's advice I give to myself. I mean, when they called and said, hey, we would like Glenn to interview the CEO, my first response was, uh-huh, why?

Speaker 4 Why out of all of the people could they would they go to me? Because they think I'm going to play softball with them because I'm not going to. And you need to tell them I'm not going to.

Speaker 4 So if they're looking for a puff piece, they're not getting one for me. In fact, it kind of pisses me off that that might be, you know, maybe what they're thinking.

Speaker 4 And so it only made that worse if that's what their idea was.

Speaker 4 But the reason why, and I found out, I found this out later, the reason why is because this audience is, they're big cracker barrel people. You know,

Speaker 4 people who like America, like cracker barrel, like, you know, the history of America, you're more likely to pull into a cracker barrel. And they know they just screwed this up six ways to Sunday.

Speaker 4 And so they wanted to go to the people that, you know,

Speaker 4 like them already and want them to succeed, assuming that you want them to succeed still and stay in business. I do.

Speaker 4 I just would like the people who, you know, did all the wrong things, if they had ill intent, you know, to lose their their jobs. Yesterday, um, somebody did lose their job.
It was the DEI person.

Speaker 4 And, you know, in the interview, she kind of danced around DEI. She's like, well, we just really want everybody.

Speaker 4 But afterwards, we heard, you know, you might want to keep your eye on the corporate board meetings because there's, you know, maybe something will happen at the corporate board meeting that happened this week.

Speaker 4 And yesterday it was announced that they fired that guy. And he was

Speaker 4 big responsibility on all of the DEI garbage that was happening at Cracker Barrel.

Speaker 4 I didn't know how I felt about the CEO

Speaker 4 because I got a lot of rehearsed stuff. She does not like interviews.
She was freaking out.

Speaker 4 I mean, she's a big Fortune 500 CEO. It takes a lot for a CEO of that stature.

Speaker 4 to be uncomfortable, and she was very uncomfortable. And she relied on a lot of talking points.

Speaker 4 But there was this one point towards the end when I asked the question, are you surprised you still have a job? And I want you to listen to what she said. Here it is.

Speaker 4 Were you surprised you weren't fired?

Speaker 9 I feel like I've been fired by America.

Speaker 4 I bet you feel.

Speaker 4 That's probably worse.

Speaker 9 Yeah, because

Speaker 9 it's hard because, again, all I've wanted to do was was help people love this brand the way I love this brand, the way Doug loves this brand, the way everybody who works here.

Speaker 9 I mean, the responsibility for the 70,000 people who work here,

Speaker 9 I bear that every single day. They are here to make a better lives for themselves, to take care of their families, to put a roof over their head, food on their table.

Speaker 9 And my job is to make sure that Cracker Barrel helps them do that. And it's not just those 70,000 people.
Like, Doug has four other people depending on him. They all have people depending on them.
And

Speaker 9 that's why we're doing what we're doing because this brand deserves to have another 50, 60 years in front of it.

Speaker 9 We're trying to set it up for the future so that people, the stories are here and they're told, and people can come in and feel that.

Speaker 9 The feeling that you get here is so special. It's so unique.

Speaker 4 And I'm talking about you personally.

Speaker 9 And I want, I want, but my job is to

Speaker 9 keep that, you know, protect that.

Speaker 4 You know.

Speaker 9 And I feel like people don't think I can do that sometimes. But my job is to invite them in and let them see that it's what they know and love.
I mean, hopefully you feel that today, but

Speaker 4 and make your listeners can feel that through you.

Speaker 4 I do feel this.

Speaker 4 The beginning of that answer, which is all that mattered to me, was the most genuine thing I have heard from somebody in your your position in a very long time.

Speaker 4 I can see that it actually, I can see in your eyes right now,

Speaker 4 that hurt deeply.

Speaker 4 Personally.

Speaker 9 I want people to love this place.

Speaker 4 You couldn't see it. I'm so bummed because you couldn't see it.
And I was hoping you could.

Speaker 4 She teared up at the beginning of it. She teared up.
I feel like I I was fired. And then she laughed right away.
And then she teared up again at the end. I just want people to like this place.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 it was so genuine. She was human.
She was human. And

Speaker 4 I don't remember what the question was. After that, she said something.
And then I said, can we go back to that for a second?

Speaker 4 Because

Speaker 4 you are genuine here. You're feeling.
What are you feeling? And she said, oh, you know, I just that I just, you you know,

Speaker 4 it hurt. And then she looks up behind my head and she says, oh, look, it's shoots and ladders.
There were this, this box of games, old games behind me. Oh, look, it shoots and ladders.

Speaker 4 I used to play shoots and ladders. And I said, I stopped her.
I said, why do you do this? Why are you doing this?

Speaker 4 And it was more of a personal thing to her. Why are you hiding this?

Speaker 4 That's what people want to see. They want to see that you actually feel something inside.

Speaker 4 And she said, I'm not going to be the CEO that cries on television.

Speaker 4 And that changed me as well because I thought, I said to her, I said, my audience, I cry all the time. They're not going to think anything of that.
And she said, I'm not going to be that person.

Speaker 4 What she meant was, I think, I'm not going to be that woman CEO that cries.

Speaker 4 She, That moment there at the end, and when I asked her if it hurt personally,

Speaker 4 you can hear it in her voice. I'd like to watch it on a bigger screen.
I'm just watching it kind of on the size of a phone.

Speaker 4 I'd like to watch it on a, because I could see it in her eyes. She had tears in her eyes when she said that.
It just, I just want people to like this place. It was so sincere.

Speaker 4 So what happened here?

Speaker 4 She said, bad decisions, stupid moves, series of stupid things.

Speaker 4 DEI people that were involved, shouldn't have been involved. And

Speaker 4 we just lost the customer. They kept saying that over and over.
We lost the customer.

Speaker 4 We were focusing on other things instead of listening to them.

Speaker 4 Now, there's something else. And this goes to don't be used.

Speaker 4 I've had people ask me, did you get paid for that interview? Of course not. I don't do interviews like that.

Speaker 4 In fact, this interview, believe me, you have no idea what it costs to move my staff and everything to do stuff like this. I lost money on this interview.
Fine, that's what we do.

Speaker 4 Um,

Speaker 4 I just thought it was important because

Speaker 4 I, like you, felt like a little bit of America was that it was at stake here. You know, like Coca-Cola was so American to me, and they just destroyed that for me.

Speaker 4 I mean, it doesn't seem like America now, just a giant corporation, doesn't reflect America, it's not an icon. Cracker Barrel still is, has a chance to be.

Speaker 4 So, as I'm doing my homework on this, I'm reading about somebody else. Now, the CEO,

Speaker 4 full responsibility for everything. It happened in your watch, full responsibility.
I think she's part of fixing it.

Speaker 4 The person, DEI, the board member for the board members that hired that person, you have all the responsibility. They corrected that.
They got rid of him yesterday. There's one other thing.

Speaker 4 I didn't put up on my bingo card that I would be, you know,

Speaker 4 angry quote tweeted by Steak and Shake. You know, it was not on my bingo card for this year, but here we are.

Speaker 4 What they said, one of the most authentic brands in America is run by somebody who doesn't respect or understand its customers. No one's buying what she's selling.
Okay, well,

Speaker 4 that's fine. It seems a little personal because it is personal.

Speaker 4 You know, Steak and Shake, I've always heard was MAGA, or actually at least Maha, you know, with the new beef tallow fries, which I think is great.

Speaker 4 But what it turns out is what I wouldn't have known had I not done my homework is is I was stepping into the center of a storm of what Forbes call a war for cracker barrel by an activist investor.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 4 This is really nasty stuff, at least what I can tell from the outside. Okay.
The owner of Stake and Shake is putting out billboards, red MAGA-style hats that say Fire Cracker Barrel CEO.

Speaker 4 And Big Lari, that's his name. It was right about everything.
So who is he? Well, you got to go to Forbes and look him up.

Speaker 4 He's an activist investor, stake and shake owner, who owns 54.5 million stake in Cracker Barrel. He made a 120-page presentation to Cracker Barrel shareholders in 2024.

Speaker 4 He said that the rebranding was folly, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. He pushed for board seats.
He wanted to be chairman

Speaker 4 and just beat up the corporate establishment. Fine, you can do that.
But you, you look into him a little deeper and you realize, wow, this is what he does. He did this to Friendlies.

Speaker 4 He took out billboards near Friendly's headquarters with his business plan saying enhance friendlies.

Speaker 4 According to Forbes, quote, he was unsuccessful in his crusade for control of Friendlies, but cashed out his 15% ownership of the chain when it was required by a private equity firm in 2007 for $337 million, equal to $15.50 per share, a 30% premium over its prior price.

Speaker 4 His unconventional tactics led to one of the ice cream chain's founders, Chris Blake, calling him a corporate raider. This guy from Stake and Shake seems to be a corporate raider.

Speaker 4 He goes in, he buys a bunch, gets on the board. He then causes internal strife, or he exploits internal strife.

Speaker 4 He was, according to his own account, countless Cracker Barrel customers have said they will not return until the CEO resigns.

Speaker 4 Why doesn't the CEO do the right thing for the company by resigning her presence is destroying Cracker Barrel's future. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Notice he's trying to quote tweet

Speaker 4 Donald Trump. You have to wonder, is he really worried about Cracker Barrel in the way you or I were worried about Cracker Barrel?

Speaker 4 I mean,

Speaker 4 the red hat may look like MAGA, but the message is nothing but corporate warfare. And I hate being used.
I hate being played.

Speaker 4 Now, I don't know because I don't know this guy, but everything I'm reading through Forbes and others, you're like, this guy's a corporate raider. This is, he is using people.
I hate being used.

Speaker 4 Don't try to capitalize on a movement or anger or values if you're just trying to get control of a company.

Speaker 4 You can't just slap some beef tallow in in a red hat and say, well, I have conservative values. I don't know if you have them or not.

Speaker 4 But survive the digital rage today.

Speaker 4 It requires temperance.

Speaker 4 It requires doing a little bit of homework because bad actors are going to turn us into a mob for their own gain. And I do not want to be used for somebody else's gain.

Speaker 4 Be really careful on that. Eat it, steak, and shake, fine.
Eat at Cracker Barrel, fine. I don't really care.

Speaker 4 I mean, I know I like Cracker Barrel.

Speaker 4 And I felt good about it after I left there. And I think they're making positive changes.
But just make sure you know what the battle is that you're fighting and you're not being used by someone.

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Speaker 4 This is Glenn Beck.

Speaker 4 Thank you so much for listening. One thing I am very grateful for is you, and also the ability to correct anything that I might have said that was a mistake.

Speaker 4 Just want you to know the DEI guy, he was not fired.

Speaker 4 He resigned.

Speaker 4 And I want to make sure that's very, very clear in this litigious society that I'm also very, very grateful for that we can correct.

Speaker 4 He resigned.

Speaker 4 All right. We will see you in a week.
Pat and Stew filling in for me all next week. God bless.