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We talk about the Tesla protest in detail. You know, who's funding it? Where's all that money coming from? It's so spontaneous and organic and, oh my gosh, dare I say it, not AstroTurf.
We talked with Pat about the protest that he walked through in Southlake over the weekend here in Texas. Seemed like the protest ended right at noon.
It was like they were clocking in. Maybe they were.
Also, we talk about gold and what is happening in Utah. Utah, the House voted unanimously to say, yes, we're going to allow gold and silver to be actually traded by the state, et cetera, et cetera.
You can use it as currency. Only four people in the Senate voted against it and Governor Cox vetoed it.
Will the House and Senate override? It'll all be up to you. We have that and so much more on today's podcast.
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So you were caught, which one of you were caught up in the the Tesla, the big, big Tesla rally? I was in the, yeah, I walked right through the protesters. How did you do it? In the middle of a protest? Yes.
They're in Southlake, Texas. Wow, that's a radical place.
I'm pretty sure none of them were from Southlake because their lips were too normal. Oh, really? Yeah.
Really? Now, if they have the bulbous lips, it's a South Lake. Then you know.
Well, you don't know. I mean, maybe some of them had them pierced.
There was way too little plastic surgery. Okay.
All right. So I'm pretty sure they were from Grapevine or Dallas or something.
So they were big protest, huh? Big well there was probably i don't know a couple hundred people wow maybe maybe a couple but by the way they just happened to all it was organic don't get me wrong it was an organic protest right i mean it was they all showed up with signs that were printed for them really from the library i forget what it's called but there's a there's a library of signs and they hand them out and then they go there and they protest until, what was it, noon? Exactly noon. And then everybody leaves.
Then everyone leaves. Wow.
That's because- That's how organic protests happen. Does this make anybody want to buy a Tesla more? Me? I wanted to go directly into the showroom, buy tesla and drive it over the top of them well get the cyber truck for efficiency purposes i mean it's it's really it's not gonna none of this works out well no none of this works out well it's bizarre i just can't even but can you believe i mean think of how many shows we've done about how basically conservatives don't like electric vehicles and liberals are demanding we buy them yeah and now here we are like i went in i test drove a tesla i i when i test drove the tesla it's a nice car look and elon musk he's put out a very very impressive thing we talked about this for years pat we test drove one here probably 10 years ago yeah and we're very very impressed by it well the first ones that came out remember that yeah this is i think was the Model S performance, I think.
It was very, very fast, and it was

before the Plaid came out. Very, very cool.

He's done a lot. I don't know that it's

for me, frankly. It's not.
Not for me.

When I test drove it, it was like, there's things I really

liked about it, but generally speaking, I don't

think I'm an electric car guy.

I don't think I want it. However,

I keep coming back to

it because of how annoying they are.

Me too. That is a terrible reason

to buy a car, but I can't help myself.

I know. They're so infuriating Thank you.
I keep coming back to it because of how annoying they are. Me too.
That is a terrible reason to buy a car, but I can't help myself.

I know.

They're so infuriating and stupid.

They're burning these dealerships down.

They're harassing the employees.

People who are, they might even be liberals.

Most of the people who have bought Teslas are liberal.

And they're harassing them on highways.

They're scaring women as they're driving their Model Ys to work. It's insanity.
And it makes me so annoyed. It makes me want to buy one.
You know, not only do I want to buy one, I've never wanted to spray paint a car, but I kind of want to just spray paint F you on the side. Not as a protest, but as a message to them.

Anyone looking at it.

You know what I mean?

Oh, you wanted to wreck my car by...

I already did it.

F you.

Maybe that's...

We might not be in the realm of rationality at this point.

No, it's possible.

Yeah.

There was a...

We had a video of a guy who spray painted on the back of his Tesla Cybertruck Toyota across the back of it. That's funny.
That's funny. I bet you that actually tricked a lot of these stupid people.
Oh, that's a Toyota. We don't want to keep that one.
That one's good. Those are good.
What idiots. They are.
What idiots. They absolutely are.
And they're setting things on fire. These are all the people that told us about global warming.

Setting a lithium battery on fire. Not a good idea.
Is worse than me driving, you know, the big Escalade for 200 years. You're setting that on fire is going to do more damage than me driving it for 200 years.
To the environment that you supposedly worship. My gosh.
Yeah. It's incredible.
And, you know, the protest over this.

We played... To the environment that you supposedly worship.
Oh, my gosh. Yeah, it's incredible.
And, you know, the protest over this, we played like a four-minute clip of Barack Obama from, I think, 2011 today, where he talks about doing exactly the same thing that Elon Musk is actually doing. I mean, Obama purportedly was going to cut the deficit and cut the budget by who knows how much but he was this obama saving money back into 2011 yeah yeah cut 22 let's play that please one of the commitments that i made the american people was that we would do a better job here in Washington in rooting out wasteful spending.
At a time when families have had to cut back, have had to make some tough decisions about getting rid of things that they don't need in order to make the investments that they do, we thought that it was entirely appropriate for our governments and our agencies to try to root out waste, large and small, in a systematic way. Obviously, this is even more important given the deficits that we've inherited and that have grown as a consequence of this recession.
This makes these efforts even more imperative. Now, this does mean making some tough choices.
It means cutting some programs that I think are worthy but we may not be able to afford right now. We don't need to wait for Congress in order to do something about wasteful spending that's out there.
The President Obama- Wait, what? The President Obama- Cutting waste, making government more efficient is something that leaders in both parties have worked on, from Senator Tom Coburn, a Republican, to Democrat Claire McCaskill. We haven't seen as much action out of Congress as we'd like, and that's why we launched on our own initiative the campaign to cut waste, not just to cut spending, but to make government work better for the American people.
For example, we've identified thousands of government buildings that we don't need. Some have sat empty four years.
So we're getting rid of those properties. Which they didn't do.
And that's going to save the American people billions of dollars. Roger Rhodes works at the Department of Commerce.
Raise your hand, Roger. Okay, stop.
So, you know, here's why. Because, like, he didn't do't do that what he was cutting this is why they're freaking out what he was cutting were probably the things that were good for republicans uh and good for the country while he was pouring stuff in that was bad for the country usa id etc etc you know making sure that all of his cronies were all paid.
So we didn't know that. They know this game.
The left knows what these government agencies do. That's why they don't care about people.
They care about their money, getting their money, their power. We didn't protest because we weren't aware weren't aware of we just thought it really was waste we didn't realize the corruption that was there that led to the destruction of our nation you know what i mean we knew that we knew that there was graft going on we knew that there were payoffs etc etc but we didn't know was a whole system.
Right. We didn't know the extent of it.
We had no idea. So they're all freaking out when they knew that they would still get their paycheck.
That's why they didn't do anything back then. Now they know, oh, wait a minute.
I may not get my paycheck. My organization, my NGO might not get that paycheck so we can overthrow yet another country someplace.
It's really remarkable what's going on. And it is dividing the American people into two very, very clear camps.
You know, you're either for the BLM burning of cities. You're for Tesla doing exactly the same thing.
The people who are rioting against Tesla taking old ladies.

We showed you that video just a minute ago,

you know,

61 year old woman.

She's sitting in her car.

She's run off the road.

Somebody comes up,

beats her while she's sitting there in her driver's seat.

Just beats her within the inch of her life.

Then gets out.

You know,

she goes,

the person gets back into their car and drives away.

You're either for all of this kind of stuff or you're not.

You're either for all of the graft and the government overthrowing other nations

by using your tax dollars, supporting things like George Soros and all of his cronies, giving tax dollars to those guys, or you're not. I mean, it's really clear.
You're either for a constitutionally run country that actually answers to the people, and the people have a right to see where every dime is going, or you're not. Now, Donald Trump is not, I'm going to bring this to bring this up and you know it's not going to make a lot of people happy but it has to be said donald trump is is making people who support him a little angry i am i am can we stop with the third term thing yeah that is that is unconstitutional that we put that in for a reason.

FDR.

We do not want.

Look, this guy could be the greatest guy of all time.

And so far, he's great.

And I would love for him to have more time.

But we have that guardrail in place for a reason.

Otherwise, we'd still be having President Barack Obama.ama you know he would still be president no we cannot break you know somebody taught me when i was really young i was on the air and i broke a rule uh and i did it because i just thought it sounded cool and um i was called into the program director's office and he said why did you And I said, well, because I thought it sounded cool. He said, do you know why that rule's in place? And I said, no.
He said, don't ever break a rule unless you know why that rule was in place, because then you can have an intelligent thought on breaking the rules. And I was like, okay.
That's a good PD. Right.
I was like 16 years old. Okay.
And I never forgot that. Never, ever forgot that.
The same thing is being said right here. Yeah.
Don't break that rule unless you know why that rule was put into place in the first place. It was put in there because any good talking guy, left or right, can get in and consolidate power we don't need more more terms for the president we need fewer terms for the house and the senate and for all of the people that are supposedly definitely serving the nation uh as a uh as a public servant.
We need more regulation on those people. We need tighter terms on those people.
We don't need more terms for the president. And it has nothing to do with Donald Trump.
It has everything to do with Barack Obama and FDR. No.
And people will point out that the constitutional amendment proposed had basically basically a cutout a carve out to make it seem like so it could only be trump that could get it yeah um which again is so that plays into the whole dictator nonsense that they try no no no no no no no yeah first of all you never get that through it was never no and so when they're saying they keep saying well there are ways to do it well there's one way to to do it. Look, you want to amend the Constitution and you successfully do so, I would oppose that amendment.
But that would be a legal way to do it. What they're talking about now is all sorts of gamesmanship.
No. Like being vice president.
Which is prohibited by the 12th Amendment. Or being speaker of the House and then both of them getting Republicans elected and they both step down at the same time and all this other game nonsense.
By the way, just play by the rules. It's not.
I mean, he can go serve in Congress. He can go serve in Congress.
Absolutely. He can become the Speaker of the House, and that would be great.
But no games here. No games.
And for anybody who said, well, you'll never call him out. This is us proving that, yes, we know how unpopular this little rant of mine will become will become that's the right word because right now it's it's overwhelmingly opposed that he would have this third term but i that will that will change mark that will change and this will become very very unpopular and everybody's gonna say why do you hate donald trump i don't hate donald trump i love donald trump i think donald trump is the best president of my lifetime so far i want to see this one through but so far he is fantastic um but no no no no we either stand for principles or we do not and as stew said you want to pass a constitutional amendment great i'm not going to to fight with that and I'm not going to fight with you on that.
I'll fight against that. But that's the way our system works.
I mean, to pass a constitutional amendment is a very big deal. Two-thirds of Congress, three-quarters of the states.
Just remember that it wasn't the Republicans that got that passed after after fdr it was the democrats because the democrats realized how much power fdr had amassed and there was no place for even the democrats in their own party to go you were either with him or you were out i mean you're used to that in the democratic party i guess that's what you still are but it was their own party that pushed this to stop a president from having more than two two terms learn from history let me talk to you about my patriot supply you know that one person in your neighborhood is always super prepared for anything and everything you know what i'm talking about uh you know they've got long-term food storage enough to write out the apocalypse enough for you to go gee i you know if something goes wrong i know where i'm going yeah that person that you're saying that is me and they usually have a lot of guns and ammunition as well so you might want to do it yourself and here's the way in addition to their amazing food uh my patriot supply their new GridDoctor 3300. It is the first solar generator with EMP intercept technology.
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Josh Hammer from Newsweek, senior editor at large, host of America on Trial, and the author of Israel and Civilization. Kind of a small topic on that one.
Josh, how are you? Glenn, my friend, I'm doing great. How are you, sir? Good.
So tell me, first of all, can we start with the Gaza protests? I mean, what kind of guts does it take to do that? Well, it takes tremendous guts. And it is tragic that some of the individuals that we've seen thus far who have risen up against Hamas have been thrown into prison already, or at least according to reports, at least one or two potentially have actually been killed by Hamas.
I mean, this is not surprising, unfortunately, Glenn. You're dealing here with a totalitarian death cult that is trying to take Gaza back to the 7th century, and frankly, to take whatever territory they can and back to that time period as well.
But it takes tremendous guts. Unfortunately, we still have a ways to go.
The West, that is, still has a ways to go to get to a Hamas-free Gaza. But ultimately, a Gaza that is totally rid of the Hamas jackboot is the only kind of Gaza that can play any role for anyone.
Jew, Arab, Christian, Druze, anyone there. So Hamas is going to have to go.
It's going to be a bit of a slog. Have you ever seen this before? Because I don't remember this ever happening.
Honestly, I would really have to think. I mean, nothing comes immediately to mind, right? I mean, they had their civil war back in 2007.
So Israel withdraws from Gaza in 2005, the unilateral withdrawal, one of the most tragic short-sighted decisions in retrospect in all of Israel's history. And then two years later, there's this bloody civil war on the streets of Gaza between Hamas and Fatah.
That's the purportedly more moderate group led by Mahmoud Abbas. It's not particularly more moderate there.
And back then, around that time, during the Palestinian Arab civil war in Gaza, you had anti-Hamas demonstrations. But for the most part since then, Glenn, and we're dealing with roughly 18 years now at this point, they have ruled with such an iron fist and a totalitarian jackboot that demonstrations like this are certainly few and far between.
Tell me about Tufts. Look, you're dealing here with people that have to go.
I mean, whether it's a situation at Tufts, whether it's this kidney doctor at Brown University, whether it's Mahmoud Khalil, whether it's this researcher. I saw a headline out of New Haven, Connecticut.
I'm actually flying to New Haven tomorrow to give a few talks at Yale University. I saw Yale Law School is now cutting ties with a senior researcher there for her questionable ties to a terrorist organization.
I mean, first of all, Glenn, what does it say about our upper echelons of American education that schools like Yale, Columbia, Tufts, which is no academic slouch in its own right? I mean, what does it say that we are dealing with the level of miscreants and jihad-connected actors on these campuses that we've been having these conversations? I've been following Yale for years i've been following yale for years yale yale had this going on right after 9-11 they were bringing people in that were jihadists incredible they they certainly were and i and i think back to those first days as well at harvard i mean after october 7th there when there were 32 33 harvard student groups whoever the exact number was that came out in unison unison to blame Israel for their own Nazi-esque pogrom that was inflicted against them there. I mean, Glenn, sometimes I actually pause, and I'm not even making this up, I actually sometimes ask myself, if 9-11, God forbid, were to happen today, would the faculty lounge at Harvard, Yale, and schools like that actually cheer for the United States or take the other side? I think it's an entirely fair question to ask.
I genuinely do not know the answer. Ultimately, these deportation proceedings, whether it's Mahmoud Khalil, whether it's the Turkish student at Tusk University, the kidney doctor at Brown, the law on this is pretty straightforward.
If you are not a United States citizen, if you are anything from a short-term travel visa all the way up to an LPR, i.e. a green card, if you are anywhere in that spectrum, if you are an alien, you do not have the permanent right to be here.
You are simply here at the discretion of we the people. And as Justice Robert Jackson, who was actually the dissenter in the Japanese interming case case of Korematsu, they called him the great dissenter because of that.
As even he said in a separate 1953 case called Shaughnessy at the Supreme Court, he said that due process does not entail any alien with the right to remain here in the United States against the national will. So the law is actually pretty straightforward.
What we're seeing here are these paroxysms of this sprawling anti-Trump judicial insurrection. But over the course of time, these folks are going to get deported.
I feel pretty confident.

So I'm very worried about, I mean, for the first time now in polls, I think it's 47% of the American people are now backing Israel.

That's not good, especially when you look at, I mean, your book talks about it, Israel and civilization. Israel goes down.
Those who don't support Israel, it's not going to go well for you. Israel is fundamental to the West.
And the book, Glenn, Israel and Civilization, which you wrote such a beautiful blurb for, and truly from the bottom of my heart, thank you so much for that. The word Israel in the title is something of a double entendre, where it refers to the state of Israel, but also to the children of Israel, the Jewish people.
And as people have understood all throughout history, you come to the Saturday people first as a mere stepping stone to get to the sunday people so so karl marx is actually a great example here karl marx one of the 19th century's most infamous self-hating jews himself has this infamously anti-semitic treatise called on the jewish question which he publishes a few years prior to the communist manifesto he's not mincing words about his dripping disdain for jud, the actual religion. But what was Karl Marx's actual goal? I mean, his ambitious and, thank God, thus far unsuccessful goal has been nothing less than the overthrowing of Western capitalism and Western Christendom, the civilization that Christians have built off of the Judaic Jewish foundations there.
So Hamas and their charter from the late 1980s, the anti-Semites are very clear. Again, you come for the original people of the book, and then eventually you will come to what the Pope many years ago referred to as the great Gentile offshoot of the original tree trunk, of the original five books of Moses, the children of Israel there.
And then looking at the geopolitical chessboard, the capitalist state of Israel is just the geopolitical version of this exact argument. They come for the state of Israel, whether it's at the World Economic Forum or the World Health Organization, the Nine Nations, the globalists, the transnational folks there.
They come for Israel because Israel, again, represents a shining beacon of the geo-Christian Western civilization. But another interesting point that I argue in the book, Lent, they also come after Israel because Israel, again, represents a shining beacon of the Geo-Christian Western civilization.
But another interesting point that I argue in the booklet, they also come after Israel because they are globalists. They hate the nation state.
They hate nationalism. Israel is actually the world's first real nation state, I argue, going back to biblical times.
When King David unites the tribes of Israel in Jerusalem, that's the predecessor in antiquity to the modern post 1648 Westphalian nation state. So to their diabolical credit, they're actually being kind of logically consistent here.
If your goal, a la George Soros, Open Society Foundation, Klaus Schwab, is to eradicate all borders, I call it the geopolitical version of the John Lennon song, Imagine, the worst song of all time, this notion that we're trying to eradicate all the things that make us human. It actually makes a lot of sense that you would start with the oldest nation, that is the nation of Israel.
So for all these reasons, and then more, Glenn, people who care about the West, who care about the nation state, Jews, Christians, just all those who care about our joint shared inheritance. You have to care about this stuff.
Well, I mean, it's because of Israel that we have in the Old Testament that we have a personal one-on-one relationship with a God that is personal to us, listens to us, speaks to us as individuals i mean it is it's the beginning of the power of the actual individual and the power against totalitarianism and kings that are dictators. I mean, that's the source of all freedom.
It starts there in the Old Testament. It does.
I mean, I argue in the book, Israel and Civilization, that what today we call Western civilization actually begins with God's revelation to Mount Sinai, the day that he brought his revealed word to a people there. And that's so much that we take for granted today is directly downstream of that.
You know, Glenn, I have a very interesting example that I sometimes like to talk about. So sometimes you and I in the past have chatted about Donald Trump and the law fair, and it's all horrible.
But one thing that we've heard from the left, Glenn, over and over again, is they love to say, no one is above the law. And I agree with that.
I totally agree with that. But even more important, I have to ask our friends on the left, do you guys know where that principle comes from? This notion that no one is above the law.
The king is not above the law. That's literally from the book of Deuteronomy.
And I sometimes wonder, you know, if they actually understood that, if they understood the biblical origins of everything today, just how much more depressed they might be there. But the point of this book, Glenn, is to call on Jews and Christians to remember where we come from and to engage in nothing less ambitious than a joint biblical restoration project, because without that inheritance and without understanding that and doubling down on that, I genuinely do fear that we will not be able to turn back the tide against these very real hegemonic forces, wokeism, Islamism, and what I call global neoliberalism that's going to engulf us all today.
We're talking to Josh Hammer. He's from Newsweek, the editor at large.
Also,

his book is Israel and Civilization. You know, I'm watching what's happening over in Europe,

and I just don't know what it's going to take. You know, I don't know if you saw this, but

Marine Le Pen was banned from running. They put her in jail, and then banning her from running

I'm going to go ahead and i don't know if you saw this but marine le pen was was banned from running they put her in jail and then uh banning her from running uh for office in france that's not good they're just going to keep pushing people further and further and further until you get really scary people and you know you've got these countries being overrun

by Islamists

not Islam scary people and you know you you've got these countries being overrun by islamists not islam islamists people who believe in sharia law and their way or the highway and uh boy i mean how long before they're going to wake up and do they wake up in time so i did see the le pen news i i wish i could say i'm shocked unfortunately i'm not shocked because i have a very high threshold for being shocked at this point but but but but whether it's france whether it's a very similar situation in romania to their leading right-wing politician and man named georgescu whether it's donald trump and the law fair that we were just talking about here whether it's in israel bibi Netanyahu is facing his own version of deep state lawfare against him as well there. All around the world, you see in these first world democracies, the deep state, an overweening judiciary, they are dramatically overstepping, ironically, Glenn, in the name or the purported name of quote unquote democracy.
That maybe is the most ironic part of all this there. When you see people like these judges and prosecutors in France, the prosecutors here in the United States, people like Alvin Bragg, Jack Smith, they're always saying that what they're doing is in the name of the people, that what they're doing is in the name of democracy there.
But, you know, this too can really relate back, I think, to the biblical inheritance there, because ultimately when you understand, as you were just saying, that there is a God, that He is real, that we are created in His image, and we can have a personal relationship with Him, that He reveals His word, His truth, and so forth there. When you understand this and you live your life according to that, according to those manners and those precepts and those values and so forth there, it puts your head in a fundamentally different place.
And you're going to be much less likely, I think, to dramatically overstep your bounds there. The American founders totally understood this, by the way, as you know, probably better than anyone in all of media today, the American founders totally understood that without this biblical foundation, where you understand that what happens here in this world is important because we have free will and we're endowed with free will by our Creator, but ultimately it's all subservient to something much more powerful there.
That is why George Washington in his farewell address says that religion, not just faith or not just morality, but actual revealed biblical religion is the most indispensable safeguard for truth and Republican self-governance there. And I do fear that we're starting to lose that, which is part of the reason that I wrote this book, Israel and Civilization.
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I have not seen this one. Politically, I don't think I've seen anything like this.
There was a bill HB 306 in the state of Utah that empowered vendors and service providers to the state of Utah with a choice to be paid in gold or silver through secure electronic gold-backed system

procured through an open competitive bid process,

strengthening Utah's precious metals leadership since 2011.

It was a way for you to have a choice.

You could either deal in U.S. currency or gold or silver,

which is all constitutional. The.
currency or gold or silver, which is all constitutional. It's I mean, the state can issue gold or silver, but apparently not in Utah.
Now, here's the amazing thing. They've been fighting for this for a long time.
How strong was the vote in the positive to support this? The House was unanimous. When's the last time you heard of a unanimous vote in the positive to support this the house was unanimous when's the last time you heard of a

unanimous vote in the house okay long time doesn't happen a lot doesn't happen it's like renaming something right yeah you know that's about it right so a unanimous support for gold and silver in the Senate, only four no votes.

Only four.

So what happened? Gold and silver. In the Senate, only four no votes.

Only four.

So what happened?

Well, it went to the desk of the governor, Governor Cox, and he vetoed it.

Wait, what?

What the hell just happened?

So now the legislative and Senate, they're now working to override override the veto it doesn't seem like it would be that difficult but now all kinds of politics are involved with the governor and it's going to need your help one of the guys who has been on this in fact i think this is his real movement is a blaze tv host of economic war room uh also the author of pirate money a must read book kevin freeman is joining us now hello kevin hi glenn uh thank you first of all what you're doing you're doing this in what 20 different states are talking about this now i think 24 states have examined it there's still probably 10 active legislatively but yeah a movement nationally. Okay.
And why are you doing this? When I was a 10-year-old kid, my dad told me that Nixon took us off the gold standard. I was studying the Constitution through the Freenan Institute, MCCS, National Center for Constitutional Studies.
And it just offended me. And I said, we've got to get us back somehow to the gold gold standard and this is part of the way that we can do that using article one section 10 of the constitution okay so i i know i think it was here in texas uh somebody it's still being kicked around but i think it was in texas somebody some expert came in as the last person uh in the hearings and said this is unconstitutional can't be done because of the constitution and people are saying that and it's just not true please explain the constitution and fiat money versus state uh issued gold and silver oh yeah it was i was there at the hearing i testified in it it was last week in austin and it was a staff attorney for the comptroller's office who brought an obscure federal case and said it's unconstitutional and then she was questioned are you a constitutional lawyer and the answer is well i took a course on it in college no but i stayed at a holiday inn that's exactly right exactly it's totally constant.
Article 1, Section 10 was put in by the founders. It says that a state can make nothing other than gold and silver coin legal tender in the state.
They can't make anything else. Every court ruling has said that means they can make gold and silver legal tender.
A state can't coin money. That's true true they can't produce their own coin that's half

nickel and part copper and part right but they can make gold and silver legal tender period okay so what happened you have unanimous support i mean i have not seen a house bill go through with not a single vote against it how rare is that today and then only four votes against in the senate. And then the governor vetoes it.
What was Governor Cox thinking?

I don't know if he was worried that he would look silly among his other governors at the cocktail parties,

or if he just didn't want Utah to be first, which is something he said, or he was worried about just minor things. In fact, he said he was worried that the private funding that would support this was somehow going to taint the vendor selection process, which is nonsense.
The vendor selection process under Marla Oaks would be pristine. I was a part of the precious metal study that looked at this with a former vice chairman of the Federal Reserve, with head of the Utah Bankers Association,

with former CFO of Citigroup and American Express.

Everybody agreed this can be done.

And we actually, it was economic war room that wrote a letter and said,

we will put up the funding privately,

not because we are a gold dealer, we're not.

I don't even have a gold sponsor on my program

so that nobody could ever accuse us of being tied into the gold industry in some ways so it's nonsense what the governor said and i expect his veto to be overridden if the people rise up all right so what do people have to do well what we want them to do is call your representatives and say that you voted unanimously for this but override the governor governor's veto. He's been overridden before.
And in other states, they've overridden. This is so popular.
It's probably the most popular thing I've ever been a part of. In Texas, for example, in our primary, 1.6 million Texans voted for essentially what HB 306 offers.
And that's 76 and a half percent of the people want this. So come on, Utah.
And why is it, what does it do for the average person? Why is this so important? It makes gold and silver actual money. So the Utah state can pay their vendors.
They have a rainy day fund. They put up to 10% of the rainy day fund in gold and silver.
If something bad happens with a dollar, it gets really weak or whatever. This allows Utah to pay vendors in gold or silver at the vendor's option, or they can pay them in U S dollars and have it automatically convert to gold and silver.
It makes gold and silver functional as money in the economy. It's, it's really important legislation.
And the governor's veto of it was ill-advised and, and ill-formed i have to tell you if i had an option to where i could put you know money in everything in my bank in gold or silver i don't even know if this is possible kevin but put all of my money in gold or silver so it held its value with inflation the way it's been going and then write a check or use my credit card

and it just goes into, you know,

it sends people dollars,

my bank account would be steady.

I wouldn't be losing all of this money.

I could afford to buy, you know, eggs

because my dollar is not going down

as the price of eggs are going up.

The value of my money is actually holding or increasing, right? That's exactly what this does. We have legislation in Texas.
I'm in Florida right now. I'm going to have to jump off in a minute to go testify in the Florida Senate.
They're very close to passing a bill. Oklahoma has passed it out of the House.
Kansas has passed it out of the Senate. This is a movement started on that book Pirate Money money that i wrote and that was the intention was to make it to where you glenn could have your money held in gold or silver and spend it when you want to just like currency totally constitutional easy to do simple legislation and we're on the cusp of making it happen and the first best first early legislation on this was hb 306 in ut, which the governor vetoed.
Okay. This movement is beginning now.
This veto just happened. So if you call, if you're in Utah, but I would call in any state and tell your legislature that you want this to happen.
There are multiple states, Florida, Texas. What are the ones that are close now? Florida and Texas.
Florida, Texas, Kansas, Oklahoma, Arkansas. People can go to transactionalgold.com.
That's our website. It's a nonprofit website.
I mean, it's our website. It's not there to sell them anything.
And they can see where their state is and they can see how they can take action. Great.
Transactional Gold? Is that right?

Transactionalgold.com. Okay, good.
And the name of the book is Pirate Money,

piratemoneybook.com. You can get it there.
And Kevin is not here. We were at a fundraiser this

weekend and we were talking. So he's not here to sell you anything.
It sounds like I'm pushing the

book because I want him to, but I want you to read this book. It's really, really very clarifying.
And I really think that we all need to get together on this. If we're going to save our country, we have to save the almighty dollar.
Somebody has to be around that's not holding everything in dollars. You know, if the dollar collapses, go ahead, go ahead.
Send me that wheelbarrow full of money as I sell my stocks. I don't want it.
And the states need to be the backstop on this, and they can be. So transactionalgold.com, and if you're in Utah, make sure you push hard.
Now is the time to get them to override the veto. And unanimous support, both sides.
Only four votes were no, and those were the minority members. So four Democrats.
Everybody else in the House and the Senate voted yes for this. So it's popular.
So this is something that you can unite around. Contact your state representative and your state senator today.

It's in Utah, HB 306.

By the way, this is going to happen in Florida here soon as well.

Is the governor in Florida?

He's for this, isn't he?

I believe so.

I've met with him personally and met with his staff last night.

I think he's very supportive.

Okay.

Kevin, thank you.

Thank you very much.

Thanks for everything you do. Appreciate you.
Thank you very much. Thanks for everything you do.

Appreciate it.

Thank you, Glenn.