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Speaker 1 Got a great Monday podcast for you. We talk about the Tesla protest in detail.

Speaker 1 You know, who's funding it? Where's all that money coming from? It's so spontaneous and organic. And oh my gosh, dare I say it? Not astro turf.

Speaker 1 We talked with Pat about the protest that he walked through in South Lake over the weekend here in Texas. Seemed like the protest ended right at noon.
It was like they were clocking in.

Speaker 1 Maybe they were. Also, we talk about gold and what is happening in Utah.

Speaker 1 Utah, the House voted unanimously to say, yes, we're going to allow gold and silver to be actually traded by the state, etc., etc. You use it as currency.

Speaker 1 Only four people in the Senate voted against it and Governor Cox vetoed it. Will the House and Senate override? It will all be up to you.
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So you were caught, which one of you was caught up in the

Speaker 1 Tesla, the big, big Tesla rally? I was. A protest, you mean? Protesting.
I was in the.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I walked right through the protesters.

Speaker 1 At Gray, in the middle of a protest? Yes.

Speaker 1 They're in here in South Lake. In South Lake, Texas.
Wow, that's a radical. I'm pretty sure none of them were from South Lake because their lips were too normal.

Speaker 1 Oh, really? Yeah. Really?

Speaker 1 Now, if they have the bulbous lips on South Lake, then you know they're all right. Well, you don't know.
I mean, maybe some of them had them pierced.

Speaker 1 There was way too little plastic surgery in this car. So I'm pretty sure they were from Grapevine or Dallas or something.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 they were protest, huh? Big, big. Well, there was probably, I don't know, a couple hundred people.
Wow. Maybe.
Maybe a couple hundred people. But by the way, they just happened to allow

Speaker 1 me to get me wrong. It was an organic protest, right? I mean, it was.
They all showed up with signs that were printed for them. Really? From the library of...

Speaker 1 I forget what it's called, but there's a library of

Speaker 1 signs. Yeah.
And they hand them out. And then they go there and they protest until, what was it, noon? Exactly noon.
And then everybody leaves. Then everyone leaves.
Wow.

Speaker 1 Because that's how organic protests happen. Everyone is organized.

Speaker 1 Does anybody want to buy a Tesla more?

Speaker 1 Me? No. I wanted to go directly into the showroom, buy a Tesla, and drive it over the top of them.

Speaker 1 Well, get the cyber chip for efficiency purposes. I mean, it's really, it's not going to.
None of this works out well. No.
None of this works out well. It's bizarre.
I just can't even believe it.

Speaker 1 Can you believe? I mean, think of how many shows we've done about how basically conservatives don't like electric vehicles and liberals are demanding we buy them. Yeah.
And now here we are.

Speaker 1 Like I went in, I test drove a Tesla. I

Speaker 1 when I test drove the Tesla, it's a nice car. Look, and

Speaker 1 Elon Musk is really nice. He's put out a very, very impressive thing.
We talked about this for years, Pat. We test drove one here probably 10 years ago.
Yeah, and we're very, very impressed by it.

Speaker 1 One of the first ones that came out. Remember that? Yeah, this is, I think it was the Model S performance, I think.
It was very, very fast, and it was before the plaid came out. Very, very cool.

Speaker 1 He's done a lot.

Speaker 1 I don't know that it's for me frankly it's not it's not like when i test drove it it was like there's things i really liked about it but generally speaking i don't think i'm an electric car guy i don't think i want it however I keep coming back to it because of how annoying they are.

Speaker 1 Me too.

Speaker 1 That is a terrible reason to buy a car, but I can't help myself.

Speaker 1 They're so infuriating and stupid.

Speaker 1 And they're burning these dealerships down. They're harassing the employees, people who are, they might even be liberals.

Speaker 1 Most of the people who have bought Teslas are liberal, and they're harassing them on highways.

Speaker 1 They're scaring women as they're driving their, you know, model-wise to work. I mean, it's insanity, and it makes me so annoyed.
It makes me want to buy one. You know,

Speaker 1 not only would I, do I want to buy one,

Speaker 1 I've never wanted to spray paint a car, but I kind of want to. just spray paint F you on the side.

Speaker 1 Not as a protest, but as a message to them. Anyone looking at it.
You know what I mean? Oh, you wanted to wreck my car?

Speaker 1 I already did it. it.
F you.

Speaker 1 Maybe that's

Speaker 1 we might not be in the realm of irrationality. No, it's possible.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 There was a,

Speaker 1 we had a video of a guy who spray painted on the back of his Tesla Cybertruck Toyota across the back of it.

Speaker 1 That's funny. I bet you that actually tricked a lot of these stupid people.
No, that's a Toyota. We don't want to be that one.
That one's good. Those are good.
What idiots. What I I are.
What idiots.

Speaker 1 Absolutely are. And they're setting things on fire.
These are all the people that told us about global warming. Setting a lithium battery on fire is not a good idea.
Is worse than me driving

Speaker 1 the big escalade for 200 years. You're setting that on fire is going to do more damage than me driving it.
To the environment that you supposedly worship. Gosh.
Yeah. It's incredible.

Speaker 1 And, you know,

Speaker 1 the protest over this,

Speaker 1 we played like a four-minute clip of Barack Obama from, I think, 2011 today, where he talks about doing exactly the same thing that Elon Musk is actually doing.

Speaker 1 I mean, Obama purportedly was going to cut the deficit and cut the budget by who knows how much, but he was

Speaker 1 saving money back in 2011. Yeah.
Yeah. Cut 22.
Let's play that, please.

Speaker 3 One of the commitments that I made to the American people was that we would do a better job here in Washington in rooting out wasteful spending.

Speaker 3 At a time when families have had to cut back, have had to make some tough decisions about getting rid of things that they don't need in order to make the investments that they do.

Speaker 3 We thought that it was entirely appropriate for our governments and our agencies to try to root out waste, large and small, in a systematic way.

Speaker 3 Obviously,

Speaker 3 this is even more important given the deficits that we've inherited and that have grown as a consequence of this recession. This makes

Speaker 3 these efforts even more imperative. Now this does mean making some tough choices.
It means

Speaker 3 cutting some programs that I think are worthy but we may not be able to afford right now. We don't need to wait for Congress in order to do something about

Speaker 3 wasteful spending that's out there.

Speaker 3 Cutting waste, making government more efficient is something that leaders in both parties have worked on from Senator Tom Colburn, Republican to Democrat Claire McCaskill.

Speaker 3 We haven't seen as much action out of Congress as we'd like, and that's why we launched on our own initiative the campaign to cut waste.

Speaker 3 Not just to cut spending, but to make government work better for the American people. For example, we've identified thousands of government buildings that we don't need.
Some have sat empty for years.

Speaker 3 So we're getting rid of those properties, which that's going to save the American people billions of dollars.

Speaker 3 Roger Rhodes works at the Department of Commerce. Raise your hand, Roger.

Speaker 1 So, you know, here's why. Because, like, he didn't do that.
What he was cutting, this is why they're freaking out.

Speaker 1 What he was cutting were probably the things that were good for Republicans and good for the country while he was pouring stuff in that was bad for the country, USAID, et cetera, et cetera, you know, making sure that all of his cronies were all paid.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 we didn't know that. They know this game.
The left knows what these government agencies do. That's why they don't care about people.
They care about their money, getting their money, their power.

Speaker 1 We didn't protest because

Speaker 1 we weren't aware of it. We just thought it really was waste.

Speaker 1 We didn't realize the corruption that was there that led to the destruction of our nation you know what i mean we knew that we knew that there was graft going on we knew that there were payoffs etc etc but we didn't know this was a whole system right we didn't know the extent of it had no idea so they're all freaking out uh when they knew that they would still get their paycheck That's why they didn't do anything back then.

Speaker 1 Now they know, oh, wait a minute, I may not get my paycheck. My organization, my NGO might not get that paycheck so we can overthrow yet another country someplace.

Speaker 1 It's really remarkable what's going on. And it is dividing the American people into two very, very clear camps.
You know,

Speaker 1 you're either for the BLM burning of cities, you're for Tesla doing exactly the same thing, the people who are rioting against Tesla, taking old ladies. We showed you that video just a minute ago.

Speaker 1 You know, 61-year-old woman.

Speaker 1 she's sitting in her car she's run off the road somebody comes up beats her while she's sitting there in her driver's uh seat um just beats her within the inch of a life then gets out uh you know she goes the the person gets back into their car and drives away you're either for all of this kind of stuff or you're not

Speaker 1 You're either for all of the graft and the government overthrowing other nations by using your tax dollars, supporting things like

Speaker 1 George Soros and all of his cronies, giving tax dollars to those guys, or you're not. I mean, it's really clear.

Speaker 1 You're either for a constitutionally run country that actually answers to the people and the people have a right to see where every dime is going, or you're not.

Speaker 1 Now, Donald Trump is not, I'm going to bring this up and, you know, it's not going to make a lot of people happy, but it has to be said. Donald Trump is making people who support him a little angry.

Speaker 1 I am. I am.
Can we stop with a third term thing? Yeah.

Speaker 1 That is unconstitutional that we put that in for a reason. FDR.
We do not want, look, this guy could be the greatest guy of all time. And so far, he's great.

Speaker 1 And I would love for him to have more time.

Speaker 1 But we have that guardrail in place for a reason. Otherwise, we'd still be having President Barack Obama.

Speaker 1 You know, he would still be president. No,

Speaker 1 we cannot break. You know, somebody taught me when I was really young.

Speaker 1 I was on the air and I broke a rule.

Speaker 1 And I did it because I just thought it sounded cool. And I was called into the program director's office and he said, why did you do that? And I said, well, because I thought it sounded cool.

Speaker 1 He said, do you know why that rule's in place? And I said, No.

Speaker 1 And he said, Don't ever break a rule unless you know why that rule was in place, because then you can have an intelligent thought on breaking the rules. And I was like, Okay.

Speaker 1 That's a good PD. Right.
I was like 16 years old. Okay.

Speaker 1 And I never forgot that. Never, ever forgot that.
The same thing is being said right here. Yeah.
Don't break that rule unless you know why that rule was put into place in the first place.

Speaker 1 It was put in there because any good talking guy,

Speaker 1 left or right, can get in and consolidate power. We don't need

Speaker 1 more terms for the president. We need fewer terms for the House and the Senate and for all of the people that are supposedly serving the nation

Speaker 1 as

Speaker 1 a public servant. We need more regulation on those people.
We need tighter terms on those people. We don't need more terms for the president.
And it has nothing to do with Donald Trump.

Speaker 1 It has everything to do with Barack Obama and FDR. No.

Speaker 1 And they, you know, people will point out that the constitutional amendment proposed had basically a cutout, a carve-out to make it seem so it could only be Trump that could get it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Which again is the... So that plays into the whole dictator nonsense

Speaker 1 that they try to do that. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 First of all, you'd never get that through. It would never, no.
And so when they're saying, they keep saying, well, there are ways to do it. Well, there's one way to do it.

Speaker 1 Look, you want to amend the Constitution and you successfully do so.

Speaker 1 I would oppose that amendment.

Speaker 1 That would be a legal way to do it. What they're talking about now is all sorts of gamesmanship.
No. Like being vice president, which is prohibited by the 12th Amendment.

Speaker 1 Or being Speaker of the House, and then both of them

Speaker 1 getting Republicans elected and they both stepped down at the same time and all this other game nonsense.

Speaker 1 By the way, just play by the rules. It's not, I mean, he can go serve in Congress.
He can go serve in Congress. Absolutely.
You know, he could become the Speaker of the House, and that would be great.

Speaker 1 But no, no games here. No games.
And for anybody who said, well, you'll never call him out.

Speaker 1 This is us proving that, yes, we know how unpopular this little rant of mine will become. Will become, that's the right word.

Speaker 1 Because right now, it's overwhelmingly opposed that he would have this third term. But that will change.
That will change. Mark McClure.
That will change.

Speaker 1 And this will become very, very unpopular. And everybody's going to say, why do you hate Donald Trump? I don't hate Donald Trump.
I love Donald Trump.

Speaker 1 I think Donald Trump is the best president of my lifetime. So far, I want to see this one through, but so far, he is fantastic.

Speaker 1 But no, no, no, no. We either stand for principles or we do not.
And as Stu said, You want to pass a constitutional amendment? Great. I'm not going to fight with that.

Speaker 1 And I'm not going to fight with you on that. I'll fight against that.
But that's the way our system works.

Speaker 1 I mean, to pass a constitutional amendment is a very big deal. Two-thirds of Congress, three-quarters of the states.
Just remember

Speaker 1 that it wasn't the Republicans that got that passed after FDR. It was the Democrats because the Democrats realized how much power FDR had amassed.

Speaker 1 And there was no place for even the Democrats in their own party to go. You were either with him or you were out.

Speaker 1 I mean, you're used to that in the Democratic Party. I guess that's what you still are.
But it was their own party that pushed this to stop a president from having more than two terms.

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Speaker 1 Josh Hammer from Newsweek, senior editor at large, host of America on trial, and the author of Israel and civilization kind of a small topic on that one josh how are you

Speaker 1 glenn my friend i'm doing great how are you sir good so tell me first of all can we start with the uh the gaza uh protests i mean what what

Speaker 1 kind of guts does it take to do that

Speaker 2 well it takes tremendous guts and

Speaker 2 It is tragic that some of the individuals that we've seen thus far who have risen up against Hamas have been thrown into prison already or at least at least according to reports at least one or two potentially have actually been killed by Hamas.

Speaker 2 I mean this is this is not surprising unfortunately Glenn you're dealing here with a totalitarian infamous death cult that is trying to take Gaza back to the seventh century and frankly to take whatever territory they can and back to that time period as well.

Speaker 2 But it takes tremendous cuts.

Speaker 2 Unfortunately, we still have a ways to go, the West that is still has a ways to go to get to a Hamas-free Gaza.

Speaker 2 But ultimately, a Gaza that is totally rid of the Hamas jack food is the only kind of Gaza that can play any role for anyone. Jew, Arab, Christian, Druze, anyone there.

Speaker 2 So Hamas is going to have to go. It's going to be a bit of a slogbo.

Speaker 1 Have you ever seen this before? Because I don't remember this ever happening.

Speaker 2 Honestly, I would really have to think. I mean, like, nothing comes immediately to mind, right? I mean, they had their civil war back in 2007.

Speaker 2 So Israel withdraws from Gaza in 2005, the unilateral withdrawal, one of the most tragic short-sighted decisions in retrospect in all of Israel's history.

Speaker 2 And then two years later, there's this bloody civil war on the streets of Gaza between Hamas and Fatah. That's the purportedly more moderate group led by Mahmoud Abbas.

Speaker 2 It's not particularly more moderate there. And back then, around that time, during the Palestinian-Arab civil war in Gaza, you had anti-Hamas demonstrations.

Speaker 2 But for the most part, since then, Glenn, we're dealing with roughly 18 years now at this point,

Speaker 2 they have ruled with such an iron fist and a totalitarian jack boot that demonstrations like this are certainly few and far between.

Speaker 1 Tell me about Tufts.

Speaker 2 Look, you're dealing here with people

Speaker 2 that have to go.

Speaker 2 I mean, whether it's a situation at Tufts, whether it's this kidney doctor at Brown University, whether it's Mahmoud Khalil, whether it's this researcher, I saw a headline out of New Haven, Connecticut.

Speaker 2 I'm actually flying to New Haven tomorrow to give a few talks at Yale University.

Speaker 2 I saw Yale Law School is now cutting ties with a senior researcher there for her questionable ties to a terrorist organization.

Speaker 2 I mean, first of all, Glenn, what does it say about our upper echelons of American education, that schools like Yale, Columbia, Tufts, which is no academic slouch in its own right?

Speaker 2 I mean, what does it say that we are dealing with the level of miscreants and jihad-connected actors on these campuses that we've even having these conversations?

Speaker 1 I've been following Yale for years.

Speaker 1 Yale had this going on right after 9-11. They were bringing people in that were jihadists.
Incredible.

Speaker 2 They certainly were. And I think back to those first days as well at Harvard.

Speaker 2 I mean, after October 7th there, when there are 32, 33 Harvard student groups, whoever the exact number was, that came out in unison to blame Israel for their own Nazi-esque pogrom that was inflicted against them there.

Speaker 2 I mean, Glenn, sometimes I actually pause and I'm not even making this up.

Speaker 2 I actually sometimes ask myself, if 9-11, God forbid, were to happen today, would the faculty lounge at Harvard, Yale, and the schools like that actually cheer for the United States or take the other side?

Speaker 2 I think it's an entirely fair question to ask.

Speaker 2 I genuinely do not know the answer. Ultimately, these deportation proceedings, whether it's Mahmoud Khalil, whether it's the Turkish student at Tusk University, the kidney doctor at Brown,

Speaker 2 the law on this is pretty straightforward. If you are not a United States citizen, if you are anything from a short-term travel visa all the way up to an LPR, i.e.
a green card.

Speaker 2 If you are anywhere in that spectrum, if you are an alien, you do not have the permanent right to be here. You are simply here at the discretion of we the people.

Speaker 2 And as Justice Robert Jackson, who was actually the dissenter in the Japanese internment case of Koromatsu, they called him the great dissenter because of that, as even he said in a separate 1953 case called Shaughnessy at the Supreme Court, he said that due process does not entail any alien with the right to remain here in the United States against the national will.

Speaker 2 So the law is actually pretty straightforward. What we're seeing here are these paroxysms of this sprawling anti-Trump judicial insurrection.

Speaker 2 But over the course of time, these folks are going to get deported. I feel pretty confident.

Speaker 1 So I'm very worried about, I mean, for the first time now in polls,

Speaker 1 I think it's 47%

Speaker 1 of the American people are now backing Israel.

Speaker 1 That's not good,

Speaker 1 especially when you look at, I mean, your book talks about it, Israel and Civilization.

Speaker 1 Israel goes down, those who don't support Israel, it's not going to go well for you.

Speaker 1 Israel is fundamental to the West.

Speaker 2 And the book, Glenn, Israel and Civilization, which you wrote such a beautiful blurb for, and truly from the bottom of my heart, thank you so much for that.

Speaker 2 The word Israel in the title is something of a double entendre, where it refers to the state of Israel, but also to the children of Israel, the Jewish people.

Speaker 2 And as people have understood all throughout history, you come for the Saturday people first as a mere stepping stone to get to the Sunday people.

Speaker 2 So Karl Marx is actually a great example here.

Speaker 2 Karl Marx, one of the 19th century's most infamous self-hating Jews himself, has this infamously anti-Semitic treatise called On the Jewish Question, which he publishes a few years prior to the Communist Manifesto.

Speaker 2 He's not mincing words about his dripping disdain for Judaism, the actual religion. But what was Karl Marx's actual goal?

Speaker 2 I mean, mean, his ambitious, and thank God thus far unsuccessful goal, has been nothing less than the overthrowing of Western capitalism and Western Christendom, the civilization that Christians have built off of the Judaic, Jewish foundations there.

Speaker 2 So Hamas and their charter from the late 1980s, the NDSE's are very clear.

Speaker 2 Again, you come for the original people of the book, and then eventually you will come to what the Pope many years ago referred to as the great Gentile offshoot of the original tree trunk, of the original five books of Moses, the children of Israel there.

Speaker 2 And then looking at the geopolitical chessboard, the capital S state of Israel is just the geopolitical version of this exact argument.

Speaker 2 They come for the state of Israel, whether it's at the World Economic Forum or the World Health Organization, the United Nations, the globalists, the transnational folks there.

Speaker 2 They come for Israel because Israel, again, represents a shining beacon of the Jeo-Christian Western civilization.

Speaker 2 But another interesting point that I argue in the book length, they also come after Israel because they are globalists. They hate the nation state.
They hate nationalism.

Speaker 2 Israel is actually the world's first real nation-state, I argue, going back to biblical times.

Speaker 2 When King David unites the tribes of Israel in Jerusalem, that's the predecessor in antiquity to the modern post-1648 Westphalian nation-state.

Speaker 2 So to their diabolical credit, they're actually being kind of logically consistent here. If your goal,

Speaker 2 Allah, George Soros, Open Society Foundation, Klaus Schwab, is to eradicate all borders, I call it the geopolitical version of the John Lennon song, Imagine, the worst song of all time, this notion that we're trying to eradicate all the things that make us human.

Speaker 2 It actually makes a lot of sense that you would start with the oldest nation, that is the nation of Israel.

Speaker 2 So for all these reasons, and then more, Glenn, people

Speaker 2 who care about the West, who care about the nation state, Jews, Christians, just all those who care about our joint shared inheritance, you have to care about this stuff.

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, is because of Israel that we have in the Old Testament that we have a personal one-on-one relationship with a God that is personal to us, listens to us, speaks to us as individuals.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 it's the beginning of

Speaker 1 the power of the actual

Speaker 1 individual and the power against totalitarianism and kings that are dictators. I mean, that's the source of all freedom.
It starts there in the Old Testament.

Speaker 2 It does.

Speaker 2 I mean, I argue in the book, Israel and Civilization, that what today we call Western civilization actually begins with God's revelation to Mount Sinai, the day that he brought his revealed word to a people there.

Speaker 2 And that's so much that we take for granted today is directly downstream of that. You know, Glenn, I have a very interesting example that I sometimes like to talk about.

Speaker 2 So sometimes you and I in the past have chatted about Donald Trump and the law fair, and it's all horrible.

Speaker 2 But one thing that we've heard from the left, Glenn, over and over again is they love to say, no one is above the law. And I agree with that.
I totally agree with that.

Speaker 2 But even more important, I have to ask our friends on the left, do you guys know where that principle comes from? Notion that no one is above the law, the king is not above the law.

Speaker 2 That's literally from the book of Deuteronomy.

Speaker 2 And I sometimes wonder, you know, if they actually understood that, if they understood the biblical origins of everything today, just how much more depressed they might be there.

Speaker 2 But the point of this book, Glenn, is to call on Jews and Christians to remember where we come from and to engage in nothing less ambitious than a joint biblical restoration project.

Speaker 2 Because without that inheritance and without understanding that and doubling down on that, I genuinely do fear that we will not be able to turn back the tide against the very real hegemonic forces, wokeism, Islamism, and what I call global neoliberalism that threatens to engulf us all today.

Speaker 1 We're talking to Josh Hammery's from Newsweek, the editor-at-large. Also, his book is Israel and Civilization.

Speaker 1 You know, I'm watching what's happening over in Europe, and

Speaker 1 I just don't know what it's going to take. You know, I don't know if you saw this, but

Speaker 1 Maureen Le Pen

Speaker 1 was banned from running. They put her in jail and then banning her from running for office in France.
That's not good.

Speaker 1 They're just going to keep pushing people further and further and further until you get really scary people. And you know, you've got these countries being overrun by Islamists.

Speaker 1 Not Islam, Islamists, people who believe in Sharia law and their way or the highway. And

Speaker 1 boy, I mean, how long before they're going to wake up and do they wake up in time?

Speaker 2 So I did see the Le Pen news. I wish I could say I'm shocked.
Unfortunately, I'm not shocked because I have a very high threshold for being shocked at this point.

Speaker 2 But whether it's France, whether it's a very similar situation in Romania to their leading right-wing politician, a man named Georgescu, whether it's Donald Trump in the law affair that we were just talking about here, whether it's in Israel, B.B.

Speaker 2 Netanyahu is facing his own version of deep state law affair against him as well there.

Speaker 2 All around the world, you see in these first world democracies, the deep state, an overweening judiciary, they are dramatically overstepping, ironically, Glenn, in the name or the purported name of quote-unquote democracy.

Speaker 2 That maybe is the most ironic part of all this there.

Speaker 2 When you see people like these judges and prosecutors in France, the prosecutors here in the United States, people like Alvin Bragg, Jack Smith, they're always saying that what they're doing is in the name of the people, that what they're doing is in the name of democracy there.

Speaker 2 But, you know, this too can really relate back, I think,

Speaker 2 to the biblical inheritance there, because ultimately, when you understand, as you were just saying, that there is a God, that he is real, that we are created in his image, and that we can have a personal relationship with him, that he reveals his word, his truth, and so forth there.

Speaker 2 When you understand this and you live your life according to that, according to those manners and those precepts and those values and so forth there, it puts your head in a fundamentally different place.

Speaker 2 And you are going to be much less likely, I think, to dramatically overstep your bounds there. The American founders totally understood this, by the way, as you know probably better than anyone

Speaker 2 in all of media today.

Speaker 2 The American founders totally understood that without this biblical foundation, where you understand that what happens here in this world is important because we have free will and we are endowed with free will by our creator, but ultimately it is all subservient to something much more powerful there.

Speaker 2 That is why George Washington, in his farewell address, says that religion,

Speaker 2 not just faith or not just morality, but actual revealed biblical religion is the the most indispensable safeguard for for truth and republican self-governance there and i i do fear that we're starting to lose that which is part of the reason that i wrote this book israel and civilization

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Speaker 1 i have not seen this one um

Speaker 1 Politically, I don't think I've seen anything like this.

Speaker 1 There was a bill, HB 306, in the state of Utah that empowered vendors and service providers to the state of Utah with a choice to be paid in gold or silver through secure electronic gold-backed system procured through an open competitive bid process, strengthening Utah's precious metals leadership since 2011.

Speaker 1 It was a way for you to give, to have a choice. You could either deal in U.S.
currency or gold or silver, which is all constitutional. It's, I mean, the state can issue gold or silver,

Speaker 1 but apparently not in Utah now here's the amazing thing they've been fighting for this for a long time how strong was the vote in the positive to support this the house was unanimous when's the last time you heard of a unanimous vote in the house okay Long time doesn't happen a lot.

Speaker 1 Doesn't it happen? It's like renaming something. Right.
Yeah. You know, that's about it.
Right. So a unanimous support for gold and silver

Speaker 1 in the Senate, only four no votes. Only four.

Speaker 1 So what happened? Well, it went to the

Speaker 1 desk of the governor, Governor Cox, and he vetoed it.

Speaker 1 So wait, what? What the hell just happened? So now the legislative and Senate,

Speaker 1 they're now working to override the veto. It doesn't seem like it would be that difficult, but now all kinds of politics are involved with the governor, and it's going to need your help.

Speaker 1 One of the guys who has been on this, in fact, I think this is his real movement, is a Blaze TV host of Economic War Room, also the author of Pirate Money, a must-read book.

Speaker 1 Kevin Freeman is joining us now. Hello, Kevin.

Speaker 4 Hi, Glenn.

Speaker 1 Thank you, first of all, what you're doing. You're doing this in, what, 20 different states are talking about this now?

Speaker 4 I think 24 states have examined it. There's still probably 10 active legislatively, but yeah, it's a movement nationally.

Speaker 1 Okay. And why are you doing this?

Speaker 4 When I was a 10-year-old kid, my dad told me that Nixon took us off the gold standard.

Speaker 4 I was studying the Constitution through the Freeman Institute, NCCS, National Center for Constitutional Studies, and it just offended me.

Speaker 4 And I said, we've got to get us back somehow to the gold standard. And this is part of the way that we can do that using Article 1, Section 10 of the Constitution.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 So I know, I think it was here in Texas, somebody, it's still being kicked around, but I think it was in Texas, somebody, some expert came in as the last person in the hearings and said, this is unconstitutional.

Speaker 1 It can't be done because of the Constitution. And people are saying that, and it's just not true.
Please explain the Constitution and fiat money versus state-issued gold and silver.

Speaker 4 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 4 I was there at the hearing. I testified in it.

Speaker 4 It was last week in Austin, and it was a staff attorney for the comptroller's office who brought an obscure federal case in and said it's unconstitutional.

Speaker 4 And then she was questioned, are you a constitutional lawyer? And the answer is, well, I took a course on it in college.

Speaker 1 No, but I stayed at a holiday inn.

Speaker 1 That's exactly right.

Speaker 4 Exactly right. No, it's totally constant.
Article 1, Section 10, was put in by the founders. It says that a state can make nothing other than gold and silver coin legal tender in the state.

Speaker 4 They can't make anything else. Every court ruling has said that means they can make gold and silver legal tender.
A state can't coin money. That's true.

Speaker 4 They can't produce their own coin that's half nickel and part copper and part gold, but they can make gold and silver legal tender, period.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 So what happened? You have unanimous support. I mean, I have not seen a House bill go through with not a single vote against it.
How rare is that today?

Speaker 1 And then only four votes against in the Senate, and then the governor vetoes it. What was Governor Cox thinking?

Speaker 4 I don't know if he was worried that he would look silly among his other governors at the cocktail parties or if he just didn't want Utah to be first, which is something he said, or he was worried about just minor things.

Speaker 4 In fact, he said he was worried that the private funding that would support this was somehow going to taint the vendor selection process, which is nonsense.

Speaker 4 The vendor selection process under Marlow Oaks would be pristine.

Speaker 4 I was a part of the precious metal study that looked at this with a former vice chairman of the Federal Reserve, with head of the Utah Bankers Association, with former CFO of Citigroup and American Express.

Speaker 4 Everybody agreed this can be done.

Speaker 4 And we actually, it was Economic War Room. that wrote a letter and said, we will put up the funding privately, not because we are a gold dealer, we're not.

Speaker 4 I don't even have a gold sponsor on my program so that nobody could ever accuse us of being tied into the gold industry in some ways. So it's nonsense what the governor said.

Speaker 4 And I expect his veto to be overridden if the people rise up.

Speaker 1 All right. So what do people have to do?

Speaker 4 Well, what we want them to do is call your representatives and say you voted unanimously for this.

Speaker 4 Override the governor's veto. He's been overridden before.

Speaker 4 And in other states, states they've overridden. This is so popular.
It's probably the most popular thing I've ever been a part of.

Speaker 4 In Texas, for example, in our primary, 1.6 million Texans voted for essentially what HB 306 offers. And that's 76.5% of the people want this.
So come on, Utah. And why is it?

Speaker 1 Why is it,

Speaker 1 what does it do for the average person? Why is this so important?

Speaker 4 It makes gold and silver actual money. So the Utah state can pay their vendors.
They have a rainy day fund. They put up to 10% of the rainy day fund in gold and silver.

Speaker 4 If something bad happens with a dollar, it gets really weak or whatever. This allows Utah to pay vendors in gold or silver at the vendor's option.
Or they can pay them in U.S.

Speaker 4 dollars and have it automatically convert to gold and silver. It makes gold and silver functional as money in the economy.

Speaker 4 It's really important legislation. And the governor's veto of it was ill-advised and ill-informed.

Speaker 1 I have to tell you, if I had an option to where I could put

Speaker 1 money in, everything in my bank in gold or silver, I don't even know if this is possible, Kevin, but put all of my money in gold or silver so it held its value with inflation the way it's been going, and then write a check or use my credit card and it just goes into,

Speaker 1 you know, it sends people dollars. My bank account would be steady.
I wouldn't be losing all of this money.

Speaker 1 I could afford to buy, you know, eggs because my dollar is not going down as the price of eggs are going up.

Speaker 1 The value of my money is actually holding or increasing, right?

Speaker 4 That's exactly what this does. We have legislation in Texas.
I'm in Florida right now. I'm going to have to jump off in a minute to go testify in the Florida Senate.

Speaker 4 They're very close to passing a bill. Oklahoma has passed it out of the House.
Kansas has passed it out of the Senate. This is a movement started on that book, Pirate Money, that I wrote.

Speaker 4 And that was the intention, was to make it to where you, Glenn, could have your money held in gold or silver and spend it when you want to, just like currency.

Speaker 4 Totally constitutional, easy to do, simple legislation, and we're on the cusp of making it happen. And the first best, first early legislation on this was HB 306 in Utah, which the governor vetoed.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 1 This movement is beginning now. This veto just happened.
So if you call, if you're in Utah, but I would call in any state and tell your legislature that you want this to happen.

Speaker 1 There are multiple states, Florida, Texas. What are the ones that are close now? Florida and Texas?

Speaker 4 Florida, Texas, Kansas, Oklahoma, Arkansas. People can go to transactionalgold.com.
That's our website.

Speaker 4 It's a nonprofit website. I mean, it's our website.
It's not there to sell them anything. And they can see where their state is and they can see how they can take action.

Speaker 1 Great. Transactional Gold? Is that right?

Speaker 4 TransactionalGold.com. Okay, good.

Speaker 1 And the name of the book is Pirate Money, Pirate Moneybook.com. You can get it there.

Speaker 1 And Kevin is not here. We were at a fundraiser this weekend and we were talking.
So he's not here to sell you anything.

Speaker 1 He's not, you know, it sounds like I'm pushing the book because I want him to, but I want you to read this book. It's really, really very clarifying.

Speaker 1 And I really think that we all need to get together on this. If we're going to save our country, we have to save the almighty dollar.

Speaker 1 We have to, somebody has to be around that's not holding everything in dollars. You know, if the dollar collapses, go ahead, you know, send me that wheelbarrow full of money as I sell my stocks.

Speaker 1 I don't want it.

Speaker 1 And the states need to be the backstop on this, and they can be. So transactionalgold.com.
And if you're in Utah, make sure you push hard. Now is the time to get them to override the veto.

Speaker 1 And unanimous support, both sides. Only four votes were no, and those were the minority members.
So four Democrats, everybody else in the House and the Senate voted yes for this. So it's popular.

Speaker 1 So this is something that you can unite around. Contact your state representative and your state senator today.
It's in Utah, HB 306.

Speaker 1 By the way, this is going to happen in Florida here soon as well. Is the governor in Florida? He's for this, isn't he?

Speaker 4 I believe so. I've met with him personally and and met with his staff last night.
I think he's very supportive. Okay.

Speaker 1 Kevin, thank you. Thank you very much.
Thanks for everything you do. Appreciate it.

Speaker 4 Thank you, Glenn.

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