Rob Reiner's SON in Custody for His Murder?! Glenn Beck Reacts | Guest: Bryan Stern | 12/15/25

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Speaker 1 Holy cow, there was a lot that happened this weekend. We're going to get into Brown, into Syria,

Speaker 1 into what happened in Australia. Also, Rob Reiner and his wife were brutally killed this weekend.
We just got news of that late last night. We'll give you all the details coming up in just a second.

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Speaker 1 All right, so let me just cover some of the headlines here quickly. Brown University, yesterday, there was a shooter.
Two are dead.

Speaker 1 The only one that has been named so far is the Republican Club vice president, Ella Cook.

Speaker 1 There are nine that have been injured.

Speaker 1 They thought they had the shooter, but... Turns out it's not him.
He has been released.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 there's just some questions on this one that are weird. Also, al-Qaeda struck and killed U.S.
soldiers over the weekend in Syria. There will be a military response to that, I am sure.
And yesterday,

Speaker 1 yesterday on the beach,

Speaker 1 Sydney's eastern suburbs, Sydney, Australia.

Speaker 1 It's summer there. There's locals, there's people that are coming from all over the country, all over the world for the warmth of summer and the community celebration of the first night of Hanukkah.

Speaker 1 In the rest of the world, it is the darkest days of winter. On the other side of the globe,

Speaker 1 it is still sunlight, because it is in the middle of summer. But it was a dark, dark day yesterday,

Speaker 1 despite the sun being up.

Speaker 1 There were families with children, they were chasing the waves, the smell of grilled food that was drifting across the sand, music, conversation, laughter in the air.

Speaker 1 And then around seven o'clock,

Speaker 1 laughter was replaced with screams of terror.

Speaker 1 Two men dressed in black and armed with high-power firearms positioned themselves atop a small concrete pedestrian bridge. It arched over the Campbell parade near the Bondi Pavilion.

Speaker 1 They stood on top in the center of this bridge

Speaker 1 and rained bullets as they fired into the crowd.

Speaker 1 Shots rang out.

Speaker 1 Astonished crowd.

Speaker 1 It just went on

Speaker 1 and on

Speaker 1 and on.

Speaker 1 Thousands had been gathered for Hanukkah by the sea.

Speaker 1 They're now ducking for cover, some trying to push children to safety, others frozen in disbelief, as friends and strangers alike fell all around them. The carnage was unbelievable.

Speaker 1 For 10 minutes, these guys fired off this bridge.

Speaker 1 The beach, usually alive with surfers and sun-seekers,

Speaker 1 just transformed instantly. Bodies were trampled, frantic dash for some sort of shelter and protection as the waves just continued to lap innocently at the shore

Speaker 1 while people were screaming for help.

Speaker 1 Now in the chaos there were acts of individual courage.

Speaker 1 A fruit vendor

Speaker 1 Later named by the media as Ahmed Al-Ahmed.

Speaker 1 He saw one of the gunmen firing his weapon, and in a moment of pure resolve, he vaulted from behind a nearby car, tackled the shooter from behind, and wrestled the rifle away.

Speaker 1 It was an unbelievable scene.

Speaker 1 Witnesses say, and it was all captured on tape. There he is.

Speaker 1 Witnesses say his

Speaker 1 bravery

Speaker 1 likely saved countless lives.

Speaker 1 Police arrived. They started shooting at him.

Speaker 1 They shot at the two that were up on the bridge.

Speaker 1 They wounded both of them.

Speaker 1 Fifteen people had been killed by the time it was over. Dozens wounded.
Young children to the elderly.

Speaker 1 Cherished members of the Jewish community, including Rabbi Eli Schlanger.

Speaker 1 He's a British-born assistant rabbi. He helped organize Hanukkah by the Sea.

Speaker 1 The beach won't be looked at the same ever again.

Speaker 1 As the suspects went down, people from Australia just ran up onto the bridge. And what I thought was an amazing, amazing moment.
that spoke volumes of our culture.

Speaker 1 The police were on top of these men, trying to administer care to keep them alive,

Speaker 1 while citizens, understandably, came up on the bridge and just started kicking them.

Speaker 1 Police jumped on those people and pushed them away and said, stop, stop, stop. And they did.

Speaker 1 Because we're not a culture of death.

Speaker 1 First suspect, 50 years old,

Speaker 1 Sahid Akram,

Speaker 1 50 years old. He's a dad.
The second suspect is his 24-year-old son.

Speaker 1 Both in critical condition, now in the hospital under police guard.

Speaker 1 Let me ask you.

Speaker 1 To imagine just for a minute what it must feel like to be Jewish today. Not in theory,

Speaker 1 because we had an incident stopped in Amsterdam over the weekend, in Germany over the weekend, in LA, somebody drive-by just shot at a Jewish home with Hanukkah candles in the window, screaming F the Jews.

Speaker 1 You want to know what you want, you want to chant,

Speaker 1 Bring the infitata here. This is what it looks like.
It is here now.

Speaker 1 So, what does it feel like to be Jewish today?

Speaker 1 I don't know. I can't relate.

Speaker 1 But I want you to imagine not as a talking point, but in the quiet moments when the phone would light up with another alert, another headline, another synagogue guarded by concrete barriers and armed police.

Speaker 1 There's a particular fear that comes with memory.

Speaker 1 Jewish people carry history, not as abstraction, but as inheritance. And it lives in names that are whispered at dinner tables, and photographs rescued from ash, and stories that begin with,

Speaker 1 and we thought it would never happen here.

Speaker 1 Europe told itself that very thing once. So did Germany.
So did France.

Speaker 1 So did polite society everywhere right before it happened.

Speaker 1 And the world has been saying that for decades now it would never happen here and here we are again

Speaker 1 and here we are the worst we've seen in America.

Speaker 1 Shadows that all of us hoped were buried forever.

Speaker 1 Hatred with organization, ideology, hatred with teeth, violence, justification. They're no longer whispers.
They're shouting it now in our streets. They're shouting it in the streets of Australia.

Speaker 1 They're shouting it in the streets of Germany and England and France and Norway.

Speaker 1 They're burning flags. They're firing guns.
They're chanting not only death to the Jew, but death to the West, death to Canada, death to the US,

Speaker 1 death to Europe.

Speaker 1 This is no longer confined to the margins anymore. And the West is tolerating it.
The West has explained it away. We've minimalized it.
We've said it was a lone wolf. Sometimes we even excuse it.
it.

Speaker 1 Just for the day, let's just stop and look at Australia for a minute. For years,

Speaker 1 Jewish communities there warned the officials. Anti-Semitism isn't theoretical.
It's here. We're living it.
We're seeing it.

Speaker 1 It's not just graffiti or angry words.

Speaker 1 It's metastasizing into something ideological and organized and deadly.

Speaker 1 And in Australia, the officials told him, calm down.

Speaker 1 Trust the institutions. We got it.

Speaker 1 Somehow or another, multicultural harmony would manage itself.

Speaker 1 But it didn't because it doesn't.

Speaker 1 Ideology doesn't dissolve when it's ignored. It consolidates.
It grows. And it has across the Western world entirely, Europe, Britain, Australia, Canada, the United States.
It's the same pattern.

Speaker 1 Violent anti-Semitism rising, Jewish schools guarded like fortresses, Jewish families wondering whether visibility itself is now a liability.

Speaker 1 And yet, all across the West, officials hesitate

Speaker 1 to name the problem clearly.

Speaker 1 So let me do it precisely, precisely, truthfully.

Speaker 1 Islamism,

Speaker 1 Islamists. Not Islam.

Speaker 1 Not Muslim.

Speaker 1 If you're a Muslim, you want to live peacefully, worship freely, raise children, continue

Speaker 1 to live and contribute to a society,

Speaker 1 and you're not an enemy of the West. I'm totally good with that.
Look at the fruit cart guy.

Speaker 1 He apparently didn't hate Jews.

Speaker 1 He wasn't part of a culture of death. He stopped it.
And millions do that every single day. But Islamism,

Speaker 1 Islamicists, that's something entirely different.

Speaker 1 Islamism is a political ideology. It's not about faith.
It is about power.

Speaker 1 It's the belief that society has to be governed by religious law, Sharia law, that freedom of conscience is illegitimate, that women are subordinate, that dissident dissent is heresy,

Speaker 1 and that the world and everybody in it has to submit.

Speaker 1 And it's very clear about all of this. It writes it down.
It teaches it. It shouts it from the public square.
For the love of Pete, it's everywhere. It chants it.

Speaker 1 It doesn't hide behind, you know, it doesn't hide its ambitions. It doesn't hide behind anything.

Speaker 1 But here's what it doesn't do. It doesn't coexist with open societies.
It replaces them and has been replacing open societies for centuries.

Speaker 1 Any culture built on individual liberty, freedom of speech, equality before the law,

Speaker 1 it can't survive alongside an ideology that views all of those principles as sins or as an affront to Allah.

Speaker 1 In that scenario, one side must yield or one side will be destroyed.

Speaker 1 And history is very clear on which one does.

Speaker 1 You know, we're very different people.

Speaker 1 Even the difference between us in Canada and us in Europe, it might be seemingly

Speaker 1 stark. It might be like we're very different, but we're

Speaker 1 when you look at us as a civilization,

Speaker 1 we're very different together. We're very different from the rest of the world, and we don't understand these things because we project our values on everybody else.

Speaker 1 We assume that everybody ultimately wants to live and to compromise and live side by side.

Speaker 1 We assume violence is accidental, we assume that it's a lone wolf, we assume that words like tolerance and dialogue mean the same thing to everybody, but they don't.

Speaker 1 And so we tolerate politicians and newscasters and everybody else that explain things away. They explain the stabbings and the truck attacks and the shootings and the riots as isolated incidents.

Speaker 1 They're not.

Speaker 1 We talk about finding the root cause, but

Speaker 1 we won't name the root itself.

Speaker 1 We call it extremism as though it it sprang out of nowhere as though it was a weather event instead of a worldview that has been around for centuries.

Speaker 1 I ask you to think about what it feels like to be Jewish today because of the Jewish people, but also because you're next.

Speaker 1 Jewish communities always pay the price first. They always do.
And believe me, you are on the list. You, your faith, your freedom, your children are on the list.

Speaker 1 And history shows this with brutal consistency.

Speaker 1 When a society begins to rot from ideological cowardice, the Jews are always the early warning system. They're the canary in the coal mine.

Speaker 1 And when they're targeted openly and the state responds with hesitation, that society is already sick and in the hospital. It's already in trouble.

Speaker 1 And make no mistakes, the violence is not far away. It is already here.

Speaker 1 Synagogues attached, Jewish students harassed on campus, Jewish neighborhoods guarded like war zones, public celebrations requiring armed protection now. This is not normal and it's not sustainable.

Speaker 1 And the West likes to believe it understands freedom, but freedom is not a vibe. It's not a comfort.
It's not the absence of conflict. Freedom is costly and it requires moral clarity.

Speaker 1 It requires the courage to draw a line and say, this doesn't belong here.

Speaker 1 And if we refuse to do that work now,

Speaker 1 our children are going to have to do it later under far worse conditions. They will have to fight not to preserve freedom, but to recover it.

Speaker 1 And history always shows that's much more costly.

Speaker 1 America, you are closer than you think to losing not only our country, but countries that took centuries to build. Not through invasion,

Speaker 1 but through erosion, through silence, through the polite refusal to speak uncomfortable truths. If not you, who? If not now, when?

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Speaker 1 I can't believe the Rob Reiner thing today.

Speaker 1 So sad.

Speaker 1 In case you haven't heard, unbelievable tragedy. He and his wife were killed over the weekend.
They'd been married for 36 years.

Speaker 1 The suspect at this time looks like it may be their son who had mental problems and in and out of of homelessness.

Speaker 1 Rob was the son of Carl Reiner.

Speaker 1 Really genius family, genius family.

Speaker 1 Most of us knew him at first as meathead on all in the family, but I mean one of the first questions I asked my then girlfriend, one of the first ones was, how do you feel about the Princess Bride?

Speaker 1 Because I don't know if I could have dated her if she didn't like the Princess Bride. That's a Rob Reiner film film.
When Harry Met Sally.

Speaker 1 My daughter and I just watched that just a couple of weekends ago. One of my favorite movies, Stand By Me.

Speaker 1 Rob Reiner. Spinal Tap.

Speaker 1 Whenever the world feels like it has gone insane, I will once in a while retreat to one of his movies.

Speaker 1 Because they are full of joy and hope and comfort.

Speaker 1 So from me and everybody in my family and everybody on the Glenbeck program, our deepest condolences to his children and his family and his friends and everyone who knew him.

Speaker 1 His legacy.

Speaker 1 His legacy will be remembered and lived every time we quote one of his lines or re-watch one of his movies or feel more connected to one another. Rob, thank you for all of your work.

Speaker 1 You and I didn't agree on politics, but thank God politics has such a small role in our life.

Speaker 1 To Rob and his wife, Michelle,

Speaker 1 as you wish.

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Speaker 1 It is Christmas in America.

Speaker 1 So I just, it's so sad. The Rob Reiner thing is so sad.

Speaker 1 I mean, I think, Stu, correct me if I'm wrong.

Speaker 1 If he hadn't have done This is Spinal Tap, I'm not sure A Mighty Wind, Best of Show, for Your Consideration, any of those would have. been able to be even made

Speaker 1 because this is Spinal Tap.

Speaker 1 Rob Reiner directed, but it was still Christopher Guest, and I think it was Harry Shearer that wrote it.

Speaker 4 And Michael McKeon, yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah, so theoretically, those movies could have been made, but

Speaker 4 I don't think any of them get made without Spinal Tap.

Speaker 4 And without, yeah, I don't think Spinal Tap gets made without Rob Reiner because they needed somebody attached to it that would be able to bring that project to me.

Speaker 1 What a legacy he and his father brought to television. I mean, think, I mean,

Speaker 1 Carl Reiner did your show of shows, which was

Speaker 1 Mel Brooks and

Speaker 1 Woody Allen with Carl Reiner writing those. Imagine that.

Speaker 1 Then he brought the Dick Van Dyke show

Speaker 1 and a million, a million other TV shows and movies he was responsible for. And then, you know, his son starts with All in the Family and brings us all of these classic movies.

Speaker 1 And the way they died this weekend is just horribly, horribly tragic, horribly tragic.

Speaker 4 Yeah. I mean, and his, it's not just Spinal Tap, which is a big one, but I mean, Princess Bride, you mentioned some of these

Speaker 4 movies here. He sent to Alton.

Speaker 1 Harry Met Sally. Gosh.
So good.

Speaker 4 So many things.

Speaker 1 Stand By Me, one of my favorite movies. Oh, yeah.
I mean, he's just, yeah, just great movies. Just great movies.

Speaker 1 So over the weekend, Stu comes over to the house and he, you know, he stays at my house as an honored guest. He eats a free meal from me, you know, doesn't, doesn't, doesn't reach for the check.

Speaker 1 I grab the check. He's like, no, no, take it, man.
Take it. Not happening.
And that's how I remember it. And then

Speaker 1 he comes back to the house and we're having a nice conversation. And he says, hey, by the way, Deadbeat, I just want to let you know, you're over.
I'm leaving.

Speaker 1 You look old. And I'm starting.
I'm going to go out and dance. I'm going to dance

Speaker 1 and party to my own music and not give you a second thought.

Speaker 1 And I thought, wait a minute, is what happened at this point?

Speaker 1 And then I thought to myself, wait, are you saying after 27 years, you quitter, you're going to just, the first opportunity you have to beat it, you're like, I'm escaping.

Speaker 1 I'm getting out of this nightmare because Glenn's never done anything for me.

Speaker 1 Is that what I heard on Saturday? Is that what I heard?

Speaker 4 You know, I thought about talking about this

Speaker 4 and this is exactly how I pictured it would go.

Speaker 1 You knew it would go this way. Of course, I knew you would torture me.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Stu and I have been talking about my career and his career for at least two years, at least two years.

Speaker 1 And Stu has for a long time wanted to, you know, do his own thing and et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 1 And, you know,

Speaker 1 and I appreciate that and I appreciate all of the many, many, many years. I mean, Stu was there for the very first talk show I ever did.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 he has told me what he is, yeah, and he has told me

Speaker 1 what he's planning on doing. And I actually think it's a really good idea, and so I fully support it.
I'm just sad that it's going to bring you further away from me.

Speaker 1 We won't see each other every day, but hopefully, you'll be bringing some of this stuff onto the show and

Speaker 1 still be a part of all of our lives. Because, Stu,

Speaker 1 I've never worked with anybody more honest, more decent,

Speaker 1 and more loyal than you.

Speaker 1 And you have changed my life, and I truly

Speaker 1 thank you for that, you quitter.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 after 27 years, it is...

Speaker 1 It's a little hard, but we both knew this time would eventually come. And I'm sincerely thrilled for you.
And you'll be telling us what you're going to be doing

Speaker 1 after the new year. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You can be on with us. And

Speaker 4 I'll be on for a little while longer here on the radio show and

Speaker 4 going to do some new things

Speaker 1 that people will like.

Speaker 4 You have to think about it. I mean, I think the way I think about it, Glenn, is like

Speaker 4 when you're in a maximum security prison and the doors open an inch, you got to go for it when you can. So, you know, that's the way you look at it.

Speaker 1 Exactly. That's really nice.

Speaker 1 Precisely how I look at it.

Speaker 1 Security prison this is.

Speaker 4 It's been pretty nice.

Speaker 1 I was thinking about maybe I'll go to prison. Maybe I'd like that.

Speaker 4 A little more luxurious than you'd think most prisons were, I will say.

Speaker 1 You know, it's not like I have to do any real work. No, no crap.
I will tell you that

Speaker 1 we will miss you and you're irreplaceable.

Speaker 1 Hey, by the way, let's say.

Speaker 1 Let's say hello to Jason. Hi, Jason.
I'm not following that. Are you kidding me? I'm walking away right now.
Jeez.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, I mean, Jason's not going to replace you,

Speaker 1 of course. I mean, we've all listened to Jason, so that's not good.

Speaker 1 But I wanted to bring Jason in because I wanted to bring Jason in because there's some news that we talked about a minute ago in Australia.

Speaker 1 Then Brown, there's some weird stuff happening with the Brown shooting.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 we don't know much about that. And also Syria.
So let me start with Brown University. Jason,

Speaker 1 why is this one weird as our chief researcher? Why is this weird?

Speaker 5 Well, there comes a point where, you know, as a society, we just end up getting used to the massive surveillance state that we live in. And I think we're just like, okay, okay, fine.

Speaker 5 We're never not going to be surveilled 24-7.

Speaker 1 Maybe there's some benefits to it.

Speaker 5 Well, no, it doesn't seem that way. Because people were asking the people at Brown, like, how is it that you have not fully identified this shooter yet?

Speaker 5 And that's a very good question, because if you go back to around 2021, there were people writing about how Brown University was one of the most surveilled campuses in the United States.

Speaker 1 There was one.

Speaker 1 How is it we only have one picture of this guy from the back? Right.

Speaker 1 I mean, apparently the one thing that will help you get away with any crime is a hoodie.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Wear something over your head and a coat. Apparently that foils the entire surveillance state, y'all.
So

Speaker 5 I guess we have nothing to worry about with surveillance. Right.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 5 And then on top of that, Cash Mattell, the FBI director, said that, you know,

Speaker 5 they sprung into action and they like activated their, you know, cellular monitoring, you know, system to help identify the person that has now been let go.

Speaker 5 Again, that's another layer of this surveillance state that I think a lot of us should be worried about. And that didn't do anything either? That helped give us the wrong suspect?

Speaker 5 What is all this stuff for? It's not keeping us safe.

Speaker 1 That's for sure.

Speaker 1 I don't want to jump to any conclusions on what we have, what we don't have. I'm assuming that they have more.
They just haven't shown it. But I would like to...

Speaker 1 We could help if you show us some pictures, but I think it is odd. What happened in Syria over the weekend with Al-Qaeda?

Speaker 5 Yeah,

Speaker 5 in Syria,

Speaker 5 there's a ton of news, especially revolving ISIS, who is still very much active and still very much planning attacks.

Speaker 1 So, wait, wait, was this ISIS or was this Al-Qaeda? Because I thought it was Al-Qaeda.

Speaker 5 This is ISIS.

Speaker 5 Well,

Speaker 5 this is what they're saying. They're saying it was a lone ISIS perpetrator.

Speaker 5 The location was symbolic as well.

Speaker 5 The location was

Speaker 5 in or around Palmyra, which I don't know if you remember, but that was the scene of a gruesome ISIS video back at their height of their caliphate, where they beheaded a lot of people in that area.

Speaker 5 But yeah, this was

Speaker 1 where they lined them up, right? Yeah. And just lined them up in the orange jumpsuits.
Remember, everybody was kneeling down in the sand and they just started beheading people. Yes, I remember.
It was

Speaker 5 one of those UNESCO sites, you know, with ruins all around. And it was very crazy,

Speaker 1 brutal video.

Speaker 5 But then another brutal attack, And I think I believe it was three U.S. service members that were killed in this attack.

Speaker 5 There's a lot of

Speaker 5 speculation going on on if this person was working. I think he was actually at a time working with the security services that are in Syria right now under the new president.

Speaker 5 He could have been

Speaker 5 a sleeper in that organization. Who knows? But

Speaker 5 the one thing I do know, and I don't understand

Speaker 5 the direction we're moving in Syria. I do not understand how a

Speaker 5 former al-Qaeda guy suddenly is an all right guy because he puts a suit on and now he's the president of Syria and he's our ally. I don't understand that.

Speaker 5 The Trump administration, maybe they have more information that I don't know.

Speaker 5 I would love to get more of a explanation on this. But as of now,

Speaker 5 I don't see this going any other direction, but a whole lot worse. And you look around that entire area.
I mean, you have a former al-Qaeda guy now the president of Syria.

Speaker 5 You have

Speaker 5 the rest of Syria just an absolute dumpster fire. You've got Iraq that,

Speaker 5 I mean,

Speaker 5 I don't, I hesitate to even call these countries because they're just so far down the sectarian, you know, spiral that this is.

Speaker 5 But I don't see how this is going to go anywhere else but south from, you know, here on out. I mean, we are in an absolute war with these radical Islamists.
And it's not just in the Middle East.

Speaker 5 It's globalized the Intifada has landed on shores all over the world. And while there are politicians that will not denounce that, that is exactly what is happening.
Sorry, Glenn.

Speaker 1 So I think that's where

Speaker 1 I think that's what that explains Trump's thinking. Trump does not want these everlasting wars to go on.
He does not want to be fighting in the Middle East.

Speaker 1 He doesn't really want to be fighting anywhere. He will if he has to, but he's focusing more on the American homeland and

Speaker 1 the American hemisphere.

Speaker 1 And so

Speaker 1 I think he is letting the Middle East take care of itself. And as long as they can all get along with each other and Israel and recognize that, you know,

Speaker 1 Iran and

Speaker 1 the al-Qaeda, the

Speaker 1 Muslim Brotherhood, et cetera, et cetera, trying to coax them all into, hey, these are kind of your enemies here.

Speaker 1 ISIS is a big enemy to us and to peace.

Speaker 1 And I think he's hoping that they will start to take care of themselves. Whether they will or not, I don't know.

Speaker 1 It's never happened before, but it's worth trying. We've been playing this other game of us getting involved in everything

Speaker 1 for 100 years. We know that doesn't work.
So I'm guessing what Trump is thinking is, we know that doesn't work. We're not going to do that.

Speaker 1 Let's try to give peace a chance and help them stomp this out because it'll be prosperous for all of them

Speaker 1 and plant those seeds as deeply as you can to see what happens. But we're not getting involved in any of that.

Speaker 1 I have a feeling, but there will be a military response to this, I'm sure. Don't you agree?

Speaker 5 Oh, 100%. And to tack on to what you were were saying,

Speaker 5 I would hope that the president would go with his gut on this because the previous ways this has been handled with Islamists, especially in this area,

Speaker 5 they've screwed it up.

Speaker 5 They don't know what they're doing, although they think they know what they're doing. And I'll go back in history.
I'll go back to the Iran-Iraq war.

Speaker 5 We supported both sides on that in

Speaker 5 a similar strategy. So we were like, okay, well, we don't want either one of these groups, sectarian groups, to get too large.

Speaker 5 So let's just fund this country at the same time that we fund that country and we'll arm them. They'll fight each other.
It'll be fine. We do that all the time.

Speaker 5 So now the only thing I can think of is that's what they're thinking with the Syrian president, this former al-Qaeda guy, is, well, okay, well, fine. Well, they'll be anti-Iran.

Speaker 5 So they can counter Iran. It's literally the same exact strategy that they're going for.
And I get it. That means that we don't have to get involved, I guess,

Speaker 5 in the initial point, but we always end up having to get involved after after the fire erupts. And we have to go to the next one.

Speaker 1 I think he's trying to buy time, quite honestly, get us out of that.

Speaker 1 Let us recover and hopefully not go back to it and try to buy some time, try to buy, hopefully, some real peace. But, you know, we all know how this is going to end.

Speaker 1 It's never going to work in the long term

Speaker 1 because we as a West have got to concentrate on our own homelands. You're seeing that with what happened in Australia.
We have let the barbarian into the gates

Speaker 1 and we've got to focus on that. We've got to get this cancer cut out of our own societies because

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Speaker 1 Last week, we told you all about this woman in Canada, Canada, named Jolene.

Speaker 1 She has been suffering from an illness that should have been taken care of years ago. For eight years she has been suffering.
She's had three surgeries.

Speaker 1 None of them have worked because of the bureaucracy up in Canada. She can't get any more surgeries.
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Speaker 1 And we got involved last week. And I am happy to tell you that

Speaker 1 her medicine is, you know, whatever the medical, I'm not involved in it. And we don't, because HIP, I don't want to get involved in this any deeper than this and can't.

Speaker 1 So all I can tell you is she's with the best doctors in America. They're making decisions with her together.
It's all covered and she doesn't have to choose MAID, which is medical assistance in dying.

Speaker 1 This thing that came out around 2017 up in Canada, 2016, 2017, up in Canada, it is now responsible for

Speaker 1 one out of every 20 deaths, I think it is.

Speaker 1 It's the top five killer in Canada. Made

Speaker 1 doctors prescribing drugs and helping people kill themselves. Top five killer in Canada.
And it was always started with compassion. Well, it's made it here to the United States.

Speaker 1 On Friday, while we were trying to save this life of this woman up in Canada,

Speaker 1 J.B. Pritzker in Illinois signed into law a bill that will allow doctors in Illinois to do exactly the same thing.
But they're safeguards. Exactly what was said in Canada.
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Speaker 1 All right, so J.B. Pritzker in Illinois signed into law a bill

Speaker 1 on Friday that will allow doctors in Illinois to prescribe the deaths of their own patients.

Speaker 1 First,

Speaker 1 do

Speaker 1 no harm. I'm having a hard time with that.
Doctors, maybe you can tell me how you get around this. First, do

Speaker 1 no

Speaker 1 harm.

Speaker 1 That is a very important

Speaker 1 concept that our doctors are to buy into and that we all believe. First, do no harm.
If you don't have that, all kinds of things can follow, especially when they're couched with compassion.

Speaker 1 And that is exactly what this is always couched in: compassion. Okay.

Speaker 1 So this new law goes into effect in September of next year. Terminally ill patients over the age of 18 are going to be able to get a suicide drug from their doctor.

Speaker 1 This is the 12th state in the country that is allowing assisted suicide. And there are about 25 others that are standing in line for it.
What a surprise.

Speaker 1 Illinois is

Speaker 1 the one, the first of this batch of them coming in to say I want to kill people

Speaker 1 it is

Speaker 1 a culture of death and we are that's what we are battling no matter what anybody tells you we're not battling the Republicans or the Democrats it's not politics it's not Marxism it's not it is a culture of death that we are battling it is evil it is evil a culture of death

Speaker 1 when you look at when you look at what people are saying about global warming what is the solution?

Speaker 1 Fewer people. How do you do that? Well, culture of death takes care of that, right?

Speaker 1 When you look at, you know, just about anything now,

Speaker 1 healthcare, abortion, culture of death.

Speaker 1 Islam, culture of death.

Speaker 1 Marxism, honestly, it is a culture of death. Why would I say that? Because, well, it eliminates those who disagree with it.

Speaker 1 And first, it just pushes them off the sidelines, but eventually it ends in camps.

Speaker 1 But also, look at what's being taught to our kids. They're killing themselves because they're so depressed because it has no meaning.
It completely rejects the human aspect of humanity.

Speaker 1 Okay, culture of death. That's really what we're fighting.
Make no mistake. Now, Illinois and and Pritzker, they're saying, well, no, no, no, this is going to be very careful.

Speaker 1 We're going to be very, very careful. You got to have two doctors.
Well, okay, that's good. I mean, Germany had three doctors, had to give you permission.

Speaker 1 So you're not even up the line of Nazi Germany, but congratulations on that.

Speaker 1 And they have to be diagnosed as having six months or less

Speaker 1 to live. Okay.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Want you to know, Illinois, America, Western world, you're being played. This is not compassion.

Speaker 1 I'm going to be real clear with you. This is preparation for when the system can no longer afford to fulfill its promises.
That's what this is.

Speaker 1 They are preparing the system to be able to have the way out, and they're preparing you.

Speaker 1 So you look at this as compassion. And so when it gets worse and worse, up until the very end, you don't recognize it.

Speaker 1 I mean, they're beginning to a little bit in Canada to see what's coming their way. And why is it happening? Because they can no longer afford socialized medicine.

Speaker 1 They can't afford to fulfill the promises.

Speaker 1 Let me just say, can America afford to fulfill its promises that it's made for generations on all of this socialized everything?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 In fact, there are people now trying to double down. We can't afford anything.
They're trying to double down and expand those programs, which will only collapse us faster. And so

Speaker 1 when they collapse, you know, nobody likes the, you know, nobody likes it. Well, rich people can get surgery.
And as I've said to you before, I don't like that either. I really don't like that.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 how else do you do it?

Speaker 1 How else do you do it? Well, we have a committee and we ration things. Okay, okay, okay, okay.
Here's where you're not going to like that.

Speaker 1 You're not going to like that because that's not the way humans work.

Speaker 1 When they ration things, either the people with money or the people with power always find a way to short circuit so they can get to the top.

Speaker 1 So the one that you're saying now is just the poor, helpless waif that's not getting anything because of the rich people.

Speaker 1 When this system changes, that poor, you know, lonely waf is still not going to get any help because the powerful, the ones that are connected, they'll get...

Speaker 1 the medical care and the waif won't get any medical care. People will find a way to short circuit the system because people generally suck.
And when you give all the power to people,

Speaker 1 it's not good. It's usually not good.
So you may not like the, you know,

Speaker 1 pay-for-it kind of system, but it is the best one out there. And you really don't want to give

Speaker 1 a bureaucracy the

Speaker 1 ability to kill you.

Speaker 1 If you become expensive or inconvenient. Now, I know that's not what they're saying now.
That's not what we're doing. We're giving people out of compassion.
We're helping them end their lives.

Speaker 1 Uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh. That is exactly what happened in Canada.

Speaker 1 Let me just tell you, it was called C14. Let me just look up the facts here.
C14

Speaker 1 in Canada, it happened in

Speaker 1 2016.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 what it meant was you could get compassionate care if

Speaker 1 you had doctors, three doctors approved, you had a terminal, I don't remember what they call it, but basically that you could see the end in sight, okay?

Speaker 1 There was no way for us to repair your body and heal you. So we could see that, basically, you know, you were terminal.

Speaker 1 We could see that in the future, near future, and three doctors agreed. And then you had a waiting period.
After you requested it,

Speaker 1 the doctors would approve. And then there was 10 days before it could be administered, 10 days for you to back out.
Okay? That's what it started as. All right.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's not what it's become. 2016, that's what it was.
And you had to be 18 years or older. And you had to have full capacity.
So you couldn't listen to, you know, friends or family.

Speaker 1 You had to make the decision and you needed full capacity. Okay.

Speaker 1 Then things started to fall apart. Then we had COVID.
Then we had all these expenses. Then we started having people move into the country.
This is Canada.

Speaker 1 Same thing happened here. COVID, hospitals are overwhelmed.
Medical care goes to hell.

Speaker 1 And then you start bringing in people from all over the world. And now you don't have hospital care.
Everybody is crowded. The doctors are overwhelmed.
And so in 2021,

Speaker 1 They decided, the Quebec court decided, well, you know, death in the foreseeable future, is that really necessary?

Speaker 1 Excuse me?

Speaker 1 I mean, I mean, the reasonable, foreseeable, natural death requirement, do we really need that? The court said, no, we really don't. There's two tracks.

Speaker 1 Those who have natural death in the foreseeable future, we're going to make it a little easier for them.

Speaker 1 Beyond the request, the three doctors,

Speaker 1 and the 10-day waiting period, We're going to get rid of some of that because it's not necessary. I mean, if we're

Speaker 1 in the reasonably foreseeable future, you don't need all those safeguards. And then people whose natural death is not reasonably foreseeable, well, we're going to make them do all of those things.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Oh, and by the way, we're removing the 10-day waiting period too. Once the doctor says you're good, you're good.
Okay.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 That wasn't far enough.

Speaker 1 Now they have a new bill, C7,

Speaker 1 Canada Bill 7.

Speaker 1 When that removed the foreseeable requirement, they added a temporary exclusion for people whose sole medical condition was a mental disorder.

Speaker 1 Oh, wow. So now we're into mental illness.
So your death isn't in the foreseeable future, but

Speaker 1 you really want to die.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 does this apply to mental people with mental problems? Oh, no, no, no, no, no. Now we're not going to ban it.
We're just going to put a temporary ban on that one.

Speaker 1 Why would you put a temporary ban on that?

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Speaker 1 okay so why would you why would you remove the restriction on the mentally ill remember the first thing was the first thing was you got to be you got to be fully there you have to be competent and aware of what you're doing

Speaker 1 Then they said, well,

Speaker 1 the foreseeable future thing, you know, your death is, you know, inevitable. We're going to take that away.
But we're going to put a temporary restriction on mental illness.

Speaker 1 The only reason why you would make that a temporary restriction is because you're just trying to get the rest of the society to catch up with what you're going to do. That's the only reason.

Speaker 1 And that's why it has been extended. Okay, it was supposed to end in 2023.
Then it was extended to March 2024. And now it has been pushed to 2027.
Okay.

Speaker 1 So you're not eligible for MAID until March 2027 if you have a mental illness.

Speaker 1 Hmm.

Speaker 1 Huh. Now they may push it forward again.
to give them more time to convince everybody that that's what they have to do. And how do you convince people?

Speaker 1 Well, you convince people because there's shortages and that person doesn't have the capability to even think. They're mentally ill.
They might even want to die. They're very, very depressed.

Speaker 1 They're very depressed. And so they want to die anyway.
Let them die. I need the doctor.
Okay. That's what's going to happen.
That's what's going to happen.

Speaker 1 Unless we remember who we are.

Speaker 1 Unless all of a sudden we're like, you know what? That's, you know, that's not who we are. That's not the West.
The West is not defined by its technology, even by its freedom or its wealth.

Speaker 1 Everybody thinks, oh, the West is going to get wealthy. No, that's not it.

Speaker 1 What makes us unique in the West, the entire West, Canada including all of Europe, this radical idea that the individual has inherent value, that nobody is expendable, and not because

Speaker 1 they're useful,

Speaker 1 not because they're productive,

Speaker 1 not because they're convenient.

Speaker 1 They have an inherent right to exist, to live.

Speaker 1 If you look at the past, you look at Athens and Rome,

Speaker 1 I mean, they just put you, they put babies that were not boys, they were girls, or they were deformed anyway. They just throw them on a garbage barge.

Speaker 1 And these barges would go down the rivers with screaming babies on them. They just let them die.

Speaker 1 That's the way it was. But the West, through Judeo-Christian ethics, taught us that's not right.

Speaker 1 When we build hospitals before skyscrapers,

Speaker 1 we put limits on force. We teach doctors to heal, not to calculate.

Speaker 1 When a society like ours stops choosing life, it does not become more compassionate. It becomes more efficient.

Speaker 1 Not compassionate, efficient.

Speaker 1 And efficiency has never given birth to moral virtue. Efficiency kills it.
If that's your goal, it kills it.

Speaker 1 Fighting this culture of death,

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Speaker 1 I don't even care about the politics. We have to convince one another, we have to start standing up for the principles that made the West the West,

Speaker 1 because

Speaker 1 without the choice to protect life at its most fragile, we are no longer a civilization worth saving.

Speaker 1 We're just another system deciding, I don't know, is that worth the trouble?

Speaker 1 And history is very clear where that society ends.

Speaker 1 That's why last week, to me, it was so personal and so important to help this woman, not just because it's the right thing to do and because every life matters, and this happened to be a life that came across my path and I'm like we got to stop that

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Speaker 1 and it is infecting us right now and if we buy the lies that this is for compassion look I understand I understand pain I understand end of life I don't want to be in that situation I know you don't want to be and I know I mean I know what it feels like with my dog putting my dog down it kills me kills me put my dog down so I get it on the dog level, let alone, you know, a parent level or a spouse level.

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Speaker 1 I remember

Speaker 1 as a kid, Christmas was a lot different than it is today.

Speaker 1 I remember my parents always saying, it's Christmas again already? And not understanding that, because it seemed like Christmas was a million miles away.

Speaker 1 It seemed like the year dragged on and dragged on, and it was a different life by the time you got to Christmas.

Speaker 1 Because it was for you.

Speaker 1 Now that I'm older,

Speaker 1 I wish things would slow down a little bit.

Speaker 1 But it's just time is merely perspective now, I guess.

Speaker 1 But I remember being a kid,

Speaker 1 and there was like this, I don't know,

Speaker 1 this code.

Speaker 1 And I don't remember how it happened. And it wasn't, I don't think it was because of advertising.
I remember hearing about it at school and the playground. And it was never from a teacher.

Speaker 1 It was always really from my friends.

Speaker 1 Tonight, tonight's Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer.

Speaker 1 Don't forget, Friday is Frosty the Snowman. Charlie Brown Christmas is tonight.

Speaker 1 And we would,

Speaker 1 we would wait at Christmas time,

Speaker 1 at Christmas time,

Speaker 1 we couldn't wait to see whatever followed this sound on CBS.

Speaker 1 Let me take you to a time before

Speaker 1 CBS television existed. It was 1939,

Speaker 1 and the country was clawing its way out of the Great Depression.

Speaker 1 Money was tight. Dreams were even tighter.

Speaker 1 Montgomery Ward, which had been around forever, was competition to Sears. They had been buying and giving away children's Christmas booklets every year.

Speaker 1 Someone in the executive chain finally said what corporations always say,

Speaker 1 why are we paying somebody else to make these books? Why don't we just write our own stories? Can we have anybody in-house that can do this cheaper?

Speaker 1 And somebody said, yeah, we do. We have this guy named Robert May,

Speaker 1 and he was a copywriter, unassuming. I mean, he did not look like a guy who was writing Christmas stories, a myth-maker.
He was in an office.

Speaker 1 His office for Montgomery Ward was barely wider than the desk inside of it.

Speaker 1 And when they came to him, he was a man who was drowning in grief.

Speaker 1 His wife, Evelyn, was dying of cancer.

Speaker 1 The two of them had one daughter, she was small, Barbara.

Speaker 1 And Robert's medical bills were just stacking up. And in the middle of all this, Montgomery Ward came to him and said, hey, can you write a cheery little Christmas story for children?

Speaker 1 He said later he almost turned them down, almost said, Are you kidding me?

Speaker 1 How do I possibly write joy when my life is collapsing around me?

Speaker 1 He said he went home, and that night he looked at his daughter,

Speaker 1 this little girl trying to make sense of her mom dying,

Speaker 1 make sense of sorrow that was way too big for her world.

Speaker 1 And he remembered the offer to write something of joy. And he thought,

Speaker 1 if I can give her something,

Speaker 1 even if I can't give her stability, if I can give her a moment,

Speaker 1 it's worth it.

Speaker 1 So he started thinking back in his life, and he remembered being a small, shy child. And he always felt different.

Speaker 1 He always felt less than.

Speaker 1 And so this character started to form, a character that was mocked for what made him different. Until that day, that difference is what saved the world.

Speaker 1 Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer.

Speaker 1 Rudolph wasn't a reindeer. First, Rudolph was Robert May.

Speaker 1 He was every child who felt small, who felt different.

Speaker 1 And he would write in bursts. He would scribble lines between doctor visits and shaping rhymes in the hospital hallways.

Speaker 1 He would draft a few lines, and then he would go into his

Speaker 1 wife's hospital room with his daughter, and he would read them aloud as mom was fighting for breath.

Speaker 1 When Evelyn died, he stopped writing.

Speaker 1 Montgomery Ward urged him, him, finish it, finish it.

Speaker 1 And he did.

Speaker 1 When he finished it, he printed, the company did, 2.4 million copies of Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer that first Christmas, 2.4 million. And it was an instant sensation.
It passed from hand to hand.

Speaker 1 It was read aloud in living rooms across America.

Speaker 1 The country didn't know the man behind it,

Speaker 1 but they knew the feeling of hope being born out of heartbreak.

Speaker 1 And then something that I'm not sure would happen

Speaker 1 now

Speaker 1 happened.

Speaker 1 Montgomery Ward, which was usually really strict about intellectual property, did something unprecedented.

Speaker 1 They saw the devastation in Robert May's life.

Speaker 1 And they said,

Speaker 1 Robert, we see you're struggling with these bills. You wrote this.
You struggled with this.

Speaker 1 And they gave him full ownership of Rudolph the Red-Nosed Radier. All rights, all royalties, all future potential.

Speaker 1 That is an act of Christmas generosity that is

Speaker 1 unheard of. And especially in that era when everyone was struggling.
And it changed the course of May's life and his daughter.

Speaker 1 His wife died, but his wife's brother was a songwriter named Johnny Marks.

Speaker 1 He took the story and

Speaker 1 shaped it into a melody that we all know. Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer.

Speaker 1 Bing Crosby was offered. He said no.

Speaker 1 They offered it to a singing cowboy, and he's like, I don't think this fits my image, but I'll give it a whirl. Gene Autry.

Speaker 1 In 1949, Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer by Gene Autry became the second best-selling song of all time,

Speaker 1 only behind White Christmas. It sold over 25 million copies,

Speaker 1 and it turned Robert May's

Speaker 1 grief-born story and sorrow into cultural bedrock.

Speaker 1 And then, 25 years after the original booklet, Rankin and Bass brought the Rudolph

Speaker 1 to stop motion animation.

Speaker 1 And Burl Ives played the snowman and the abominable snow monster in the island of Misfit Toys. Nobody wants a Charlie in the box.

Speaker 1 And the American myth was complete.

Speaker 1 Economists have tried to

Speaker 1 figure out what the rights were worth

Speaker 1 in total.

Speaker 1 They looked at the entire empire, the books, the records, the TV specials, the merchandising, the international licensing.

Speaker 1 It's well over $100 million in revenue. Adjusted for inflation,

Speaker 1 the money that is flowing to the May and the Marks family today,

Speaker 1 the rights that Montgomery Ward handed to the grieving widower because it seemed like the right thing to do.

Speaker 1 Well over a quarter of a billion dollars.

Speaker 1 One of the most valuable intellectual properties in Christmas Hero, in history,

Speaker 1 handed to a man who just needed needed hope for his daughter,

Speaker 1 wrote it for that reason.

Speaker 1 And I think that's why

Speaker 1 we waited as kids, and we still love it as adults.

Speaker 1 Because behind the red nose, and behind the jingle bells, and the puppets, and the fat snowman

Speaker 1 is this a single man who, in a very small office,

Speaker 1 rode his way through heartbreak,

Speaker 1 and then a company showed unexpected compassion.

Speaker 1 And that created something

Speaker 1 remarkably true:

Speaker 1 the Christmas myth about a reindeer born from the pain of a father just trying to give his daughter one spark of light in the dark.

Speaker 1 And that's why we waited for that sound at this time every year.

Speaker 1 And while that sound

Speaker 1 isn't there anymore for our children, now it's the Apple logo.

Speaker 1 It's the same story,

Speaker 1 it's

Speaker 1 the same magic,

Speaker 1 and it's the same message.

Speaker 1 All life is worthy.

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Speaker 1 Today it was a tough weekend where Rob Reiner and his wife were brutally murdered over the weekend.

Speaker 1 It looks like, hopefully this is not the case, but it looks like it might be a son who had mental illness and was in and out of homelessness his whole life.

Speaker 1 But we do know that they were,

Speaker 1 it was bad. It was bad.

Speaker 1 And our deepest condolences go out to everybody involved and those who loved him as much as we did. We just loved him.
We didn't agree in anything politically, but what a genius and what

Speaker 1 a lot of joy. Princess Bride, Stand By me, all of that from that guy.
A lot of joy brought to our lives.

Speaker 1 Then we saw some really tragic stuff happening in Syria, Brown University, and in Australia, probably the most dramatic. But, you know, let's focus here a minute here on the hero.

Speaker 1 There was a hero that showed up

Speaker 1 in that scenario, which is amazing. Really, when you watch the video, can we play the video? Cut three here.

Speaker 1 He's there behind the tree and he goes and he jumps on the back of the shooter and

Speaker 1 that shooter is not going down

Speaker 1 he grabs him and grabs the gun and does not fire at him just holds him in place

Speaker 1 that's frightening especially since if you where he's walking he's walking the shooter is now walking back towards the bridge

Speaker 1 So somebody on the bridge, if they would have seen it, they could have shot

Speaker 1 the hero.

Speaker 4 I think they did, right? I think he eventually got shot after this.

Speaker 1 Which is incredible. I mean, just incredible, incredible bravery.
And the guy's name, what was his name? Ahmed

Speaker 1 something Ahmed.

Speaker 1 You know,

Speaker 1 obviously, well, I can't say obviously, possibly an immigrant from the Middle East,

Speaker 1 possibly Muslim. So, the bad guys are Islamists, and it looks like the good guy is a Muslim.
Big difference. Worth pointing out.

Speaker 1 Just amazing.

Speaker 4 That is, it's incredible because he really wrestles the gun away. The other thing that makes you nervous, too, is if someone doesn't see the heroic act, then you're just the guy holding the gun.

Speaker 4 Right? Yeah. And pointing it at somebody.
Like you could have been shot by

Speaker 4 police or something that didn't realize what was going on. Or I would say a good meaning bystander, but none of them, all their guns have been taken away.
so they couldn't do anything about it.

Speaker 4 They were just hopeless and it doesn't.

Speaker 1 Let me ask you this.

Speaker 1 They're saying that these guns were obtained legally by these people.

Speaker 1 How?

Speaker 1 How?

Speaker 1 There are. How did they get guns legally?

Speaker 4 Yeah, I mean, first of all, the media has been lying about Australia's gun laws forever.

Speaker 4 You know, they didn't get rid of all guns. They didn't ban all guns.

Speaker 1 They do have very strict gun laws there.

Speaker 4 And they did take, they did buy back something like 35% of the guns that were in the country, though there are some reports that there's more now than there were back then

Speaker 4 because obviously.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I know.

Speaker 4 The conversation about Australia's gun laws has been for years one of the most annoying and frustrating things the media do. They don't know what the law is.
They claim it's done things it hasn't.

Speaker 4 It made absolutely no difference. There's been multiple university studies that have noted that there was no

Speaker 4 observable effect in homicide rates from this law.

Speaker 4 But none of that matters because

Speaker 4 they want to take your guns away so that when this happens in your community, you're just as helpless victim as well.

Speaker 1 And thank God we don't put up with that nonsense here.

Speaker 1 Crazy. Just crazy.
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Speaker 1 So, Rob Reiner

Speaker 1 met his wife in 1989.

Speaker 1 They've been together ever since. They live in Brentwood, which is a suburb of Los Angeles.

Speaker 1 Their house is two miles away from where Nicole Simpson Brown was

Speaker 1 discovered and killed.

Speaker 1 Officers were called to

Speaker 1 Brentwood,

Speaker 1 to their home.

Speaker 1 All they said at first was a man and a woman found with stab stab wounds.

Speaker 1 That's what came out over the radio. They were dead.

Speaker 1 Then friends started to show up. Billy Crystal was there.
He came into the house. Reporters say he left looking

Speaker 1 horribly shaken.

Speaker 1 Larry David, who's a neighbor, he came in. Same story.

Speaker 1 It was confirmed that

Speaker 1 Rob Reiner and his wife were killed and brutally murdered, stab wounds.

Speaker 1 We knew early this morning that

Speaker 1 the guy who might have done it is their 32-year-old son.

Speaker 1 His name is Nick Reiner.

Speaker 1 He's a screenwriter and also

Speaker 1 he's a guy who has battled drugs and alcohol and homelessness.

Speaker 1 He said at one point, I was homeless in Maine, I was homeless in New Jersey, I was homeless in Texas, I spent nights on the street, I spent weeks on the street, and it wasn't fun.

Speaker 1 That's what he said to People Magazine in 2016. I don't know the latest on him, but he has just been arrested for the murder of his mother and father.

Speaker 1 Just

Speaker 1 horrible.

Speaker 1 Just horrible.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 Rob Reiner was one of those guys that I was always sad that, you know, we disagreed and

Speaker 1 I'll be kind to him here.

Speaker 1 That neither of us could ever find our way to

Speaker 1 talk to one another because I really admired him. I really liked him.
I didn't like like him politically, but that's such a small part of life. I mean,

Speaker 1 gosh, he did When Harry Met Sally, he did The Princess Bride. This is Spinal Tap.
He did A Few Good Men. Stu, look up his look up his work.
I mean, he's responsible for some of the best movies ever.

Speaker 1 His father was a genius. It is so sad that Karl Reiner, Rob Reiner, and then now that is broken by the third generation,

Speaker 1 the son.

Speaker 1 And it ends this way.

Speaker 1 He brought so much joy to so many. It's just me.
I'll speak for me. His movies have brought me so much joy.

Speaker 1 Just the Princess Bride alone.

Speaker 1 But.

Speaker 1 So sad.

Speaker 1 So incredibly sad.

Speaker 1 And to be killed by your, I mean, it's one thing, I guess, to be killed by a stranger, and that's bad, but to be killed by your own son,

Speaker 4 Glenn, listen to this rub

Speaker 4 in the late 80s or early 90s quickly.

Speaker 4 1984, this is Spinal Tap. 85, The Sure Thing.
86, Stand By Me. 87, The Princess Bride.
89, When Harry Met Sally. 1990, Misery.
1992, A Few Good men. I mean,

Speaker 4 that is a run.

Speaker 1 Wow. Man.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 1 Just a brilliant, brilliant guy from a brilliant family.

Speaker 1 I'm glad his father isn't here. I mean, his father just died, what, a year ago, two years ago? Mel Brooks is still alive, which this has got to kill Mel Brooks.
Gosh, poor Mel Brooks. The tragedy.

Speaker 1 By the way,

Speaker 1 I I want to show you how Rob Reiner, for as politically different as we were, and we were extraordinarily politically different, I want you to listen to how he handled the death of Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 1 When you first heard about the murder of Charlie Kirk, what was your immediate gut reaction to it?

Speaker 1 Well, horror.

Speaker 10 Absolute horror.

Speaker 10 And I unfortunately saw the video of it. And

Speaker 10 it's beyond belief,

Speaker 10 what happened to him. And that should never happen to anybody.
I don't care what your political beliefs are. That's not acceptable.
That's not a solution to

Speaker 10 solving problems. And I felt like what...

Speaker 10 his wife said at the

Speaker 10 service at the memorial they had was exactly right and totally i believe you know i'm jewish but

Speaker 10 I believe in the teachings of Jesus and I believe in doing to others and I believe in forgiveness. And what she said to me was

Speaker 10 beautiful and absolutely, you know, what she forgave

Speaker 10 his assassin. And I think that that is admirable.

Speaker 1 I mean, how many other people did that?

Speaker 1 Especially for as vehemently as he disagrees with the right.

Speaker 1 He was a human being. And

Speaker 1 I think that's why his films lasted and connected with us, you know? I mean, in a lot of ways, his films were a little like John Hughes movies. John Hughes was...

Speaker 1 I mean, he was lightning in a bottle. And there was something, and I think that something in many ways was John Candy.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 there was something about the John Hughes movie that

Speaker 1 connected to us on a basic level, you know, that

Speaker 1 spoke to us deeper than just a movie or a script, you know?

Speaker 1 It came from a place that was real.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I think of Peter Falk

Speaker 1 and what's his name used to be in the Wonder

Speaker 1 Can't remember. It used to be in the Wonder Years that was the little kid on princess bride

Speaker 1 that just those scenes alone fred savage just those scenes alone were so real

Speaker 1 so real

Speaker 1 when peter falk turns around and says as you wish

Speaker 1 it

Speaker 1 by the end of the movie

Speaker 1 you felt that deeply

Speaker 1 now on the other side of the world, while this was going on,

Speaker 1 we had another tragedy, this one involving

Speaker 1 Jewish people being shot by

Speaker 1 newcomers to Australia that were, you know,

Speaker 1 clearly Islamists, that their hatred of Jews. went and put them out on the beach and they just

Speaker 1 shot the first day of Hanukkah. They just

Speaker 1 started riddling and raining bullets and terror down.

Speaker 1 And by the way, I'm not going to call them suspected terrorists.

Speaker 1 They're terrorists. We saw them.
The video was there. And I couldn't believe how long it took.
It went on for 10 minutes. 10 minutes.

Speaker 1 But it's been coming for a long time. Here's the Australian Prime Minister three months ago, cut 14.
This is three months ago, the Australian Prime Minister.

Speaker 11 Australians should be able to feel safe and at home in any community.

Speaker 11 The targeting of Australians based on their religious beliefs is not only an attack on them, but it's an attack on our core values.

Speaker 11 We must stamp out the hate, fear, and prejudice that drives Islamophobia and division in our society.

Speaker 11 His consultations have been wide and he has made a range of recommendations. We'll carefully consider these and continue to work closely with AFTAB.

Speaker 9 Today marks a critical and long-awaited moment for the Muslim communities of Australia. This is a historic opportunity.

Speaker 9 It is a moment where we decide who we are as a country and whether we are prepared to take the necessary steps to ensure that every person in Australia, regardless of faith, ethnicity or background, is safe, valid, and treated with dignity.

Speaker 1 The reality is this is their envoy to Islamophobia.

Speaker 1 Now, I would assume that they have an envoy to anti-Semitism and to

Speaker 1 anti-colonialist sentiment and anti-whatever, but you and I both know they don't.

Speaker 1 The Jewish community in Australia has been told to pipe down for a while now. Stop it.
You're not under attack. You're not under attack.
These are isolated incidents. And then look at this.

Speaker 1 And I wouldn't doubt if they're not saying this is an isolated incident. My question is:

Speaker 1 when are there going to be enough of these isolated incidences to where countries in the West start to say, you know what?

Speaker 1 No, that's not what's happening here. There are people in our country that are not friendly to our way of life.

Speaker 1 They wish it ill. I mean, when you're chanting, I saw a video over the weekend, people were chanting

Speaker 1 death to Canada, death to Israel, death to Canada, and they were in Montreal.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 Death to Canada?

Speaker 1 How are you still in the country? I mean, if you're Canadian, I guess you have the right to say that.

Speaker 1 You know, so you can't export people who are Canadian, but anybody else who is in that crowd that's not Canadian, get the hell out of the country.

Speaker 1 And when are we going to start saying those things?

Speaker 1 Canada is a long way away from saying those things. I think Europe is a long way away from saying those things.
But you're seeing what's happening in England and what's happening in England.

Speaker 1 You're starting to now see masked

Speaker 1 men who I would deem as terrorist if they start to do the same thing that was being done, you know, between the Protestants and the Irish in Ireland back in the 70s and 80s. That was terror.

Speaker 1 But they're now standing up and saying, hey, our government isn't listening to us at all, and we're not putting up with it because they're trying to erase our civilization.

Speaker 1 And you're going to have in Ireland, and you probably already do, the Bubba effect. People are going to be like, damn right.
I don't want terrorism on our streets, but they're not doing anything.

Speaker 1 So these guys are at least trying to save our culture and our our country even though they're violating every possible principle of the country and the culture people will listen to it why because the politicians refuse to respond to what everyone sees and everyone feels is true

Speaker 1 and when that happens when they fail to respond people will start to listen to somebody who doesn't know the difference between a Muslim and an Islamist.

Speaker 1 That's when you have the Baba effect, and that's when it goes bad. And it's about to go bad in every country.

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Speaker 13 we need to hold our, we need to look at ourselves. We need to hold our own neighbors accountable because look at the damage that this has done to our community.

Speaker 13 What do you want to hear more from instead of just saying, don't blame us? Do you want to see more ownership and oversight from within this?

Speaker 7 Look, it's not law-abiding citizens. If that were the case, there's a lot of white men who should be holding a lot of white men accountable for the crimes that they have committed.

Speaker 7 I think for the community

Speaker 7 educate their population, because I think what you're seeing here is they're secondary victims in this, that there's providers inside the community that are then victimizing the community themselves by signing them up.

Speaker 7 Because when we're going to some of these people, they're like, I had no idea I was in this program.

Speaker 7 So I think it's asking us then, you know, for every crime, which of course the majority being committed by white men, asking us to do more about that. I think it's crime in general.

Speaker 7 And I think the biggest thing on this is just making sure that we're educating the population. And again, this is 80 people or so that have been convicted in this, maybe some more in that.

Speaker 1 It's also like a billion dollars. I mean, does anybody

Speaker 1 care about that? It's also defrauding, you know, children of food, of housing. I mean, does anybody really care about that? I'm so tired of saying we need more education.
We need more education. No,

Speaker 1 if you were involved in this and you had absolutely no idea, you don't need to be educated. You don't need any education.

Speaker 1 This was what appeared to be a legitimate system. So, you know, I guess I need education if you're not going to close all of them down.

Speaker 1 So you're educating me on how do I know the difference between a fraud and a real system okay what are you educating them on can you help me with that help me with that one what are you educating them on

Speaker 1 the these were these were um

Speaker 1 fraudsters that

Speaker 1 they they were endorsed by you they were giving given that money themselves They were given that money by you, the white man, who I would like to, as a white man, hold responsible.

Speaker 1 Like, like white men are getting away with this. No,

Speaker 1 no, uh-uh. No, you are at the top of the food chain.
I blame you more than the Somali community. You made it happen.
You turned the blind eye. All kinds of warning.
You did nothing about it.

Speaker 1 You should go to jail first. And that is also, you know, something I'd like to happily remind people in Washington.

Speaker 1 You know, the one-year anniversary, which I said I would hold my tongue for a year on prosecutions, that one-year anniversary is coming up.

Speaker 1 And I'm kind of wondering,

Speaker 1 we're going to see some big, powerful white people go to jail? Because here's one white man that would like big, powerful white people who are guilty of crimes to go to jail.

Speaker 1 And I don't think any education is required.

Speaker 1 There's no education. I don't need to educate them about anything.
They broke the law. Here's what I'm going to educate.
You have a right to remain silent.

Speaker 1 That's the

Speaker 1 most education I want to give them. Okay?

Speaker 1 I don't understand it.

Speaker 1 I don't understand. It's really not hard.
And do we have time for Cut 25? Do we have time for Trump on Elon Omar?

Speaker 1 I don't have time for that. Yeah, only 30 seconds.
Okay. Well,

Speaker 1 we'll get to that maybe tomorrow because it's a wonderful, wonderful surprise and so glad to hear it. Next, Next, I'm going to introduce you to Brian Stern.
Brian is the guy who

Speaker 1 was the guy that put the secret mission together to help the opposition leader escape from Venezuela so she could go and pick up her Nobel Prize last week. Wait until you hear this story.

Speaker 1 It's incredible. Brian's on with me.
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Speaker 1 Maybe it's much too

Speaker 1 early in the game.

Speaker 1 From the Wall Street Journal, listen to the opening of this story.

Speaker 1 Maria,

Speaker 1 a man's voice cut through the rain, pelting the pitch-black Caribbean Sea, just audible between two boats tossed around by 10-foot waves.

Speaker 1 People on the smaller vessel, a simple fishing skiff, held up cell phones like emergency flares in the night. The larger craft pulled closer.

Speaker 1 A figure bundled in a bulky jacket and black ball cap waved her arms. It's me, it's me, Maria.

Speaker 1 This is the epic tale of the mission to get the opposition leader, Maria Carino Machado,

Speaker 1 out of Venezuela. This was called Operation Golden Dynamite.

Speaker 1 Dynamite is what

Speaker 1 the Swedish chemist Alfred Nobel, a Nobel,

Speaker 1 invented dynamite. That's why he started the Nobel Peace Prize, blah, blah, blah.
She was getting the Nobel Peace Prize. She was not allowed to leave Venezuela.

Speaker 1 Somebody had the idea of let's put her on a boat while the U.S. is bombing boats in the area.
Terrifying. The guy who led led it is the founder and CEO of the Gray Bull Rescue Foundation, Brian Stern.

Speaker 1 Brian, welcome.

Speaker 1 You there, Brian?

Speaker 14 Hi, Glenn. How are you?

Speaker 1 Good, good. I thought you were lost at sea here for a second.

Speaker 1 Brian, what an epic tale. Can you tell it from the beginning? You're standing, I think, in the Miami airport on December 5th.

Speaker 14 it was last Friday, and it's kind of crazy when I say it like that because a lot of things have happened since then.

Speaker 14 It's just over a week ago.

Speaker 14 My team and I were coming back from Aruba where we were setting up for Venezuela operations. And I've been very vocal about Venezuela for a very long time.
I've worked Venezuela for a long time.

Speaker 14 We've known for a while that President Trump wanted a piece of Maduro. We've known that.
He was very vocal about it as the 45th president and again as the 47th as we've seen.

Speaker 14 So we were getting ready and

Speaker 14 transiting through Miami airport when I turned my phone on and I had a whole bunch of text messages from a friend of mine.

Speaker 14 So I call him back and he says, hey, look, man, I know you're doing Venezuela stuff. I got a weird one for you.

Speaker 14 You want to hear this guy out?

Speaker 14 And I said, well, you know, is it real? Is it not? Because lots of people call us like nonsense. You know, what's interesting is this is our 800th mission that we've done as a team.

Speaker 14 800 missions in four years.

Speaker 14 So we get calls to do stuff all the time. My team and I started August 2021, and we're in December 2025.
So

Speaker 14 we've worked all over the place. Russia, Ukraine, you name it, we've done it.
Gaza, we've done Israel. So I asked my guy, I asked my friend, you know, is it real?

Speaker 14 Because I'm transiting and I don't want to waste a lot of time and we're busy and stuff. And he said, oh, no, it's real.
It's real. And I said, Okay, cool.
Connect me.

Speaker 14 He said, Do you mind if I show your number? I go, Yeah, sure. You know, I go, Are you in on it? He says, No, not really.

Speaker 14 Not really. I'm not really in on it.
I go, Okay, cool. So he connects me with this guy who turns out to be on Maria's team and

Speaker 14 one of her folks. And at first, he wasn't transparent that it was Maria.

Speaker 14 So he asked me a couple of questions. Do you do things in Venezuela? Tell me a little bit about yourself when we go through that bit.
And he asked me, and I go,

Speaker 14 you know,

Speaker 14 what's the project? And he starts to kind of describe it his way. And he's a good guy, but he's never done this before.
And I spent 27 years in the intelligence business, so I've done this a lot.

Speaker 14 And I very quickly figure out that it's Maria. And at first, he denies it.
He says, no, no, no, no, no. How funny would that be?

Speaker 14 And I said, look, man, you know, and I know, you know, you know and I know that it's Maria. If you're not transparent and honest with me, I'm not going to be able to do a good job.

Speaker 14 So I need you to, you know, you know, we're going to be in this thing together.

Speaker 14 I'm not saying I'm going to do this, but if we're going to do this together, you need to be honest with me because things change. And he says, okay, and he kind of

Speaker 14 admits to it and cops to it. And

Speaker 14 that was Friday. Saturday, that was Friday night.
He and I spoke again Friday night when I got back to

Speaker 14 Tampa. And then we spoke again all day Saturday doing things.

Speaker 14 Sunday, we set conditions. Sunday, we set conditions and planned.
I went to Miami to go meet with some Venezuelan friends of mine.

Speaker 14 Monday morning, deploy,

Speaker 14 Monday morning, early, deployed to the Caribbean. We set conditions on Monday, initiated on Tuesday.
She was in Oslo for Wednesday.

Speaker 1 That's unbelievable. What does it mean that you

Speaker 1 set conditions on Monday? What does that mean?

Speaker 14 So it's kind of like

Speaker 14 this is an orchestra okay the way these operations work is like an orchestra you have the string section you have the horn section you have the the drum the percussion section right you have the you know i don't play music but whatever that you know all the different things all the different instruments

Speaker 14 you know now yeah you know you have like the violin people i was wondering why you missed the viola but yeah yeah right you know it's not my area i don't do that i do i do have a maduro you know right so you have you have you have all these different people

Speaker 14 and it's all music and we're all on the same team. But the reality is the violin people don't know how to play a saxophone and the saxophone people don't know how to play a violin.

Speaker 14 And the music of the violin is different than that of the saxophone and all these different things. But everything has to work in harmony.

Speaker 14 And if one instrument in the orchestra is off-key, you're not making music, you're making noise. And that's the one thing that everyone hears.

Speaker 14 So when we build these operations and we talk about setting conditions, it's getting all the instruments to be ready to rock and roll and many of those instruments many of these people do not know what they're doing so there are people lots of people who worked on this operation who were instrumental in this operation who have no idea that they helped get maria karina machado to safety they they do not know for their safety crazy for their safety and also because we need to we we need to understand you know maria karina machado Maria Karina Machado, from the Maduro perspective, is like what Osama Laden was for us.

Speaker 14 There's tens of thousands of intelligence officers have been looking for her from Cuba, Venezuela, Russia, Iran, the Chinese, Hezbollah, cartels.

Speaker 14 She is the most wanted person in the Western Hemisphere.

Speaker 14 And to add insult to injury, because of the Nobel Prize piece, they knew if she was in Venezuela that she's going to need to be making a move this week. So they were really switched on.

Speaker 14 They were really looking aggressively.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 how did you get her from hiding to the shore? And then you got to tell the story about the water because that's insane.

Speaker 1 The water part was honestly the harder part.

Speaker 14 Yeah, so

Speaker 14 we don't get into a lot of the specifics for security reasons, as you would imagine.

Speaker 1 Okay, okay, okay. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 14 She was in a house and then had to get to a spot where there was a boat. And this is not a port where you're like getting a ticket.
This is a sandy, nasty, kind of,

Speaker 14 you know, kind of beachy, marshy area that you wouldn't really want to be in, honestly. You know, and that's why we picked these sites for that reason.

Speaker 14 You know, not pleasant. And she embarks on boat one

Speaker 14 with

Speaker 14 a small group of amazing men. And they're embarking with the expectation of rendezvousing with the second boat, that's the boat that I was on, which has come from across the whole Caribbean.

Speaker 14 So our trip was very, very far. Their trip was relatively short, but we're doing this under cover of night in pitch black.
We had a little bit of moonlight, a little bit, and a lot of cloud cover.

Speaker 14 We were in five to ten foot seas, depending on

Speaker 14 where, right?

Speaker 14 And these are not big boats. These are not big boats.
Oh yeah, by the way, the whole world is trying to find her. And oh yeah, by the way, our military is dropping things from the sky onto boats.

Speaker 14 So this is a pretty good thing. Yeah, so

Speaker 1 did you so she is she goes out. She's running really late, right? The boat launches really late.

Speaker 1 And then the seas pick up. They're 10-foot waves.
They start drifting. You don't have eyes on her.
Nobody has eyes on her. And you do have the threat from above.
Did anyone above know?

Speaker 1 don't bomb us. Please don't just don't bomb us.
And don't, a little boat might be out there. Don't bomb them either.

Speaker 14 So

Speaker 14 this is where it gets hard for people to understand is that,

Speaker 14 you know, nothing we do is classified. I'm not government, contrary to common opinion.
We do not work for the CIA. I'm not a

Speaker 14 I've been listed as a former assassin. I've enlisted all kinds of things.
None of these things are true.

Speaker 14 We're a nonprofit. We're just a foundation.
What you see is what you get. If you go to grablerescue.org, you can read about all of it.

Speaker 14 We're donor-funded. This operation was paid for by donors, tax-deductible.
Okay?

Speaker 14 So

Speaker 14 because of who we are, though, and because of what we've done and where we've done it and where we come from and where my board comes from

Speaker 14 and where my team comes from, we have our fingers. We have a very large network of good guys and bad guys.

Speaker 14 The good guys are at the highest levels of government, forest are admirals and generals,

Speaker 14 deputy assistant secretary of fill-in-the-blank, you know,

Speaker 14 from the intelligence community, the diplomatic corps, the military community, the special operations community. You know, I've only been doing this for 27 years only, right?

Speaker 14 So we know a lot of people,

Speaker 14 and we have a very good reputation. So when we call and say, hey, look, you know, here's a lat long.

Speaker 14 We're going to be conducting an operation in the vicinity of this lat long around this time. Be advised, that's us.
Number one, don't get excited. That's us.
Don't kill us. Number one.

Speaker 14 Number two, it would be super cool if you could tip us off if you see someone coming to someone else trying to kill us from

Speaker 14 flight time of a Venezuelan F-16 to where we were operating, about four and a half minutes, five minutes.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 14 we are dangerous close to the bad guys.

Speaker 14 And

Speaker 14 the way these work is, you don't know if you have a problem until you're getting shot at.

Speaker 1 They don't

Speaker 14 call you on the phone and say, hey, jerks, we know what you did. We're coming for you.
You better surrender. They don't do that.
They shoot you full of holes instead. So this whole time,

Speaker 14 we're doing all kinds of tricks. all kinds of deception operations.
We're putting things out, getting things on the street.

Speaker 14 We had a whole group of bad guys convinced that we were going through the land into Guyana. That wasn't true.
All kinds of things designed to create confusion,

Speaker 14 create space, to create noise, right? It's the abracadabra of any good magic trick, right? The Russians call me Amerikonsky Voshavnik. It means the American magician.

Speaker 14 This is how I got the name, is because, you know, when

Speaker 14 the street card guy says, don't take your eye off the card, here's your card, don't take your eye off the card, the last place you should be looking is that card.

Speaker 14 That's the last place you should be looking, right?

Speaker 1 Okay?

Speaker 14 That's how we do this stuff. So

Speaker 14 it's a little bit of deception. It's a lot of manipulation.
And it's a lot of really understanding how the bad guys function, how they work, what they'll fall for, the cultural nuances.

Speaker 14 I know they are hungry for Maria. I know that.
I know that.

Speaker 14 I spent 27 years in the intelligence business hungry for very important people, and I know how I would react if I got a tip, right, from a reliable source.

Speaker 14 So we create that tip for a reliable source, from a reliable source, and they go for it. And what happens? They're dedicating resources to a figment of my imagination.

Speaker 14 And now it gives me space.

Speaker 14 Now they're not, it gives me space.

Speaker 1 Brian, can you hold on for a second? I want to take a quick break because I want to ask you a little bit more on this. Do you have time to hold for a minute? Sure, sure.

Speaker 1 Okay, hold on. We're talking to Brian Stern, a guy whose number I will absolutely have in a desk drawer for my wife in case I ever, you know, happen to find myself in Venezuela.

Speaker 1 Gray Bull Rescue Foundation. He's the founder and CEO, Gray Bull Rescue Foundation.
Brian Stern is his name. We'll continue here in just a second.
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Speaker 1 and broadcast standby.

Speaker 1 If you missed any of it, you got to get it at Glenbeck.com or wherever you get your podcast. We're talking to Brian Stern.
He's from Gray Bull Rescue Foundation.

Speaker 1 He's the guy whose team went out and did this amazing rescue operation

Speaker 1 and got the dissident leader from Venezuela over to

Speaker 1 Oslo to be able to get the Nobel Prize. It's just, it's an incredible story.
You read about it at Glenbeck.com.

Speaker 1 I know, Brian, you're not connected. This had nothing to do with the United States government.
No government money went towards it. No government operations, correct? Okay.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 I don't want to present this.

Speaker 14 I wish there were.

Speaker 1 I'm not opposed to it.

Speaker 14 I'm not opposed to it, actually.

Speaker 14 But there isn't.

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I only have a minute. I don't want to make it sound like you have any inside information, but you do have experience in this.
Are we going to war in Venezuela, Venezuela? Do you think?

Speaker 14 I think so.

Speaker 14 And I don't think we're going to put boots on the ground. I think this will be airstrikes.
I do think that we're making a couple of miscalculations here and there strategically.

Speaker 14 We're doing what I call it the three little pigs. We're saying, you know, to Maduro, you better, you know, we're doing a big buildup.

Speaker 1 We're going to huff and we're going to puff and we're going to blow your house down.

Speaker 14 You better go or else.

Speaker 14 And if he says, screw you, I'm not leaving, then we have a very tough decision to make. Then we have a very tough decision to make.
So I think there's fun ways and better ways to do this.

Speaker 14 Personally, I'm all about the build up. I'm all about doing strikes.

Speaker 14 The drug quotes don't happen to nicer people. You know, the strikes and the drug quotes.

Speaker 1 Brian, I got to run. Thank you.

Speaker 1 Let's have him back. I'd love to hear more of his analysis on that as we get closer.
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