Episode 851 | "It’s Gonna Take Me An Army"

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Nah, don't worry.

We're going to talk about it.

I'll ask him if she said that.

Don't worry about it.

We're going to talk about it.

But wait, you're not home building profounds on people?

No.

No.

Huh?

You are?

I mean, maybe not to the level of him, but you build profiles, yeah.

I do too.

Of course, you build profiles on people.

Okay.

You probably do it in your head, don't even realize it.

Yeah, you know, you don't have a file cabinet, but

well, you don't know his head, Paul's.

Ain't nothing going on.

He's just bitches

and houses

And houses.

And hoodies.

You got to start building profiles on people.

No, I don't.

But actually, that's a lie, because he got my profile down to a T and won't hesitate to let the world know about it on this broadcast.

Yo, instantly.

Yeah.

Yo, don't play with me, nigga.

I'm ready today.

I'm ready today.

Yeah.

I won't let the world know about his profile.

Me.

All right, you got it, bro.

What's up, Last Looks?

This is the squad right here.

Full squad.

It's the squad right here.

Oh.

You doing that shit again when you want me to reach for your stuff?

It's right there, ticket.

I can't.

Oh, shit.

Damn, distress.

Help out.

Miss help.

She goes, she's looking for help.

Wow.

Mel, why are you ready help?

This is my bad arm hand.

The baddies be needing help with like the simplest of shit.

Like, your baddies?

Yo, I love you talking about the simplest shit.

Yo, go.

Homeboy saying that that by Shorty.

Who's Shorty?

It's cool.

It's the topic.

Oh.

Oh.

The Halley Berry drink.

We're going to get to that.

That almost caused a little kirkfuffle earlier.

In your crib?

No, not in my crib.

We're fighting about something totally different.

We fighting about something totally different.

And I'm wrong, but nah.

It ain't the party fight no more, right?

Party.

Your birthday party.

Your birthday party.

No, no, no.

Okay, all right.

Glad you kind of got those out the way.

No, no, no, no, no.

I send your I'm home text before I'm home.

So how does she know you're not home?

Because if I sent it at 2.45 a.m., guess what time she called?

2.45.

2.46.

2.45 a.m.

Yeah.

Not this time.

Let's do that.

Hey, I got caught last time answering while I was in the car.

It caused a month of stress.

So this time, I threw the.

I was brushing my teeth.

Hey, went to sleep.

No, I'm in the car.

I'm in the car.

I know, but your lie should be.

I was brushing my teeth.

My bad.

No, see, that's my point.

That's my problem.

I don't compound the lie.

Like, I tell you the truth.

Always win.

Oh, bud.

You tell the truth.

Yeah.

This started with a lie.

She knows what time it is.

We've been together too long.

She knows if I'm not answering that phone, then I ain't home.

She knows that.

So the beef is on the lie then.

Huh?

Not to me.

Yo.

make sense.

I'll try to put the same shit in me.

I agree with him now.

Not to me.

Not to me.

Man, we're hardly over it.

My baby is here, flying up.

We're doing Chris Breezy.

We over it.

So I'm just shooting shooting with the fellas.

Shout out to you.

But I totally disagree with that, even though she's right.

You see his profile?

Yeah.

Psychoserial killer.

He's crazy.

If you send your partner,

she's listening to this.

It's right at the top.

If you send your partner the I'm home text, it's normally because y'all have had these talks and they want to know that you're home safe.

You should not.

They don't give a fuck about your safety.

And that's the part they will never admit.

It's not home safe.

It's home safe.

That's the part they'll never admit.

So if this is purely about my safety,

then when I'm in the car, headed home, even if it's 15 minutes before I'm there and say I'm home, I'm letting you know I've left the dangerous circumstance.

I'm in the confines of my driver headed home that's when she said oh

there could be a car accident oh

all right bitch you got the news

hey turn on the news then

ice

right

yeah okay

yo

why you just can't send

because it's not about me being home safe so now you got some type of tracking system going on yeah and if you have a tracking system going on then it's my duty to throw it off.

But do you just send home or does she say where you want to go?

Follow-up question.

No, no, no, no.

She don't say nothing.

I say I'm.

You just say home.

When you're telling me, you're the instant game.

So you volunteer.

I don't typically do it.

Okay.

I've done it once before.

We had a big fight about it.

This time, I did it again.

And I dubbed the call, so we fought.

Got it.

Follow-up question.

The person waiting for you to get home.

Cody, shut up.

That's why Corey.

Text to wake them up.

And that's what I'm saying.

That's a time zone.

And that's why I know that that's, you know, I can't sleep.

You know, I've been up.

Okay, so then I said something that I wasn't sure.

I was behind anyway.

Right, time zone.

It don't matter.

Guess what?

My nigga, it don't matter if it's 9.99.

You sent I'm home safe.

I don't think that gave you a right to call me.

So the right to call me is crazy.

I don't think that that means that.

Yo, I'm home.

That's.

It ain't.

Oh, I was up.

So.

Look.

Look.

No, but

I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about?

That shit only makes it to you and Corey, bro.

You see it?

That's it.

That's it.

That's it.

My girl, no, I'm a weirdo.

It's cool.

I'm not surprising the people I love with my thinking.

No,

that's what I'll say.

So she loved me.

I love her.

We good.

We got over it because what are we really beefing about here?

Like, I'm alive.

I thought that was the point, right?

I'm tough to be with.

So that means you got a topic.

But I'm the only one that brings his I'm tough to be with stories to the pod.

Y'all are like the meme that's going around where it's the meme going around, the video with couples.

And the person saying, hey, this is me who does everything wrong.

And this is my angel of a husband or wife.

And they come out with the ring camera over them with the ring light.

And that.

No, the ring light, though, is the halo.

And the long white sheet.

And they come walking out.

Y'all are like that.

The ring light.

Like, tell me about why y'all are tough to be with.

I think I'm pretty easy to be with.

I'm just stubborn.

Exactly.

You got it.

I'm just stubborn.

I'm all loud as y'all.

Y'all watch Powerwise.

My girl told y'all I'm stubborn.

I'm a creative.

That's it.

Well, in the weight of your head says you're stubborn anyway.

I'm

sorry.

I'm like.

Mark, why are you tough to be with?

I'm a clown.

You don't sleep.

Workaholic.

Work too much.

Messy.

And I don't, my brain works different.

So, like, things that make sense to me don't make sense to other people.

So it makes communication hard.

Got it.

Got it.

Ish?

I'm a pleasure.

that's why he's tough to be with i'm gonna please because he's a pleasure yeah that the state of delusion that he's constantly in right

one day he came up here and gave it up yo when i'm home i could be domineering so i don't say anything you you you're killing that day that day that one day you came and like really give it up and share with us the whole one day

I'm talking about

not the three and a half years, just the one day.

No, I'm talking about the inner workings of you and your whiz.

So you gave it up that day.

So why now?

It's just, I'm a pleasure.

You're not domineering on me.

I'm just making a joke.

I don't want to be serious.

that's out flip how about you what makes you tough to be with come on let's start with a little therapy i'm stubborn and ignorant and and i feel like i'm stubborn and ignorant and i just feel like you're never home i want no i'm always home all right my family i'm always home i just feel like

i'm not going to be forced to

do anything you don't want to do one two and

I show love when the love count to me.

All right.

All right.

It's love.

Bill, why you don't laugh.

This is crazy.

it's not for real i show love on the count to you to you outside it counts

to the world it counts even in the house it counts but i'm i'm just stubborn man and on top of that like come on i don't want to get into many details mel mel mel what makes you tough to be with um what's that thing called attachment something um

whatever that's what the baddies do too they meet you day one and want to be just all under you live with you move is that you are you are you clingy in relationships no i'm the opposite uh Distant.

Okay.

Yeah.

So it's like when I sense, when I sense danger.

Are you doing that again?

Yo,

I'm going to jacket.

Mel didn't say nothing funny.

Exactly.

Stop fucking laughing.

Niggas a crack jokes about.

Stop laughing when Mel is talking about it.

Sit back.

Or in gang.

Yo, stop laughing when you're in.

I'm sorry, Mel.

I'm walking.

I laughed.

Honestly, remotely.

I'm riding with Mel now.

You drink it.

That shit's too hot to drink so fast.

No, it's not.

What happened, Mel?

I didn't hear what you're saying.

No, seriously.

When I feel some sort of threat or perceived threat or whatever, I chuck up my deuces and bounce.

Cardi be your album title.

Man.

I can see that.

Don't make me feel threatened.

That's right.

Okay.

You can feel threatened at any moment.

Make me feel secure.

Yeah.

Put out a safe space.

Make me feel, yeah.

Make me feel like I'm in a safe space.

Make me feel like that.

Mm-hmm.

So, yeah.

That's what I've been working on.

Being a safe space?

Yeah.

Being a safe space.

For Mel or?

Mel and women all over the world.

Mel, did feel like a safe space for you?

Because I was watching on Friday.

And it didn't look safe.

Really?

No.

What happened on Friday?

She was trying to tell a riveting story.

Oh, yeah, I'm Walkersbacker.

About.

You're going to come here, victim.

Oh.

Oh.

The Black magazine?

What does it expect?

No, it was actually an important thing to tell.

I was actually very disappointed that she didn't get to tell that.

Thank you.

About the National Association of Black Journalists Conference.

I was very disappointed I couldn't be at in Cleveland.

Yeah.

I know, right?

Next year it's in Atlanta.

As soon as we live.

But Mark is one of the main reasons why I went.

I hit him up.

I was like, shit.

No, he fucking did not, asshole.

But

I asked his opinion, and he was just like, yes, you should go.

You should go.

I think a lot of us would benefit from that.

You walked away from the cabin that day.

Where'd you take that call?

It wasn't a call.

I said, hey, Mark, sorry to bother you.

Quick question.

Hey, you turned it.

Text that man.

My Achilles backing up.

Let me go ride the bike.

Nah, y'all mean PBS.

She said he only responded with one word.

He got that text out quick.

Oh, no, no.

Yes.

Yes.

Double tap.

Quick response.

Why are you chilling Pizza Hut?

Yes.

Oh, man.

Holy shit.

It's hilarious.

No, she listened.

It's early.

Oh, it's early.

No, but NABJ is great.

And we should support that.

We should support black journalists, black media makers, black creatives.

And

we're super loved down there.

You know, we're super loved that the Association of Black Journals.

I was telling you, I think next year you might want to roll down there in ICE.

He ain't going.

We talked about it a couple, maybe like a month or two ago.

By going.

I think it's in it.

It's either Atlanta or Houston.

Atlanta and then Houston.

The journalist shit in Cleveland.

I think it's good, man.

It moves around different cities every year.

So next year is Atlanta and the year after is Houston.

I think we should do a workshop or a class on podcasting for them.

I'm thinking about going to take journalism at NYU.

I think that'd be dope.

Fight.

Fuck that.

I don't even save that for a second.

They didn't see the Times article.

Journalism.

Smirnalism.

And then they totally shit on me about who I said were like my idols.

Stephanie Elam and Michaela Pereira.

Idols?

Both.

They are.

Like,

they are incredible women.

Like, in so many people.

Mel said those names.

Like, it was Mel Gibson and Gladys Knight.

No, like, it was Angela Bassett and Tina Turner.

I stated my personal idols.

My personal idols.

You know who else is an idol of mine?

Anthony Bourdain.

I love Anthony Bourdain.

Bill Curtis.

Like, I could go on and on.

Fuck.

John Douglas.

You guys don't know who the fuck that is, right?

Okay, well, he's the guy who started the behavioral science unit at Quantico, Virginia, in FBI headquarters.

It says more about them.

We don't than you.

Huh?

It says more about them than you.

I know it.

If they're last and you don't know the most prominent black journalists in America, it says they should.

I know.

Maybe they should.

I know.

Exactly.

So, anyway, I can see why it might not feel like a safe space to you.

I'm glad you're back.

Ah!

Including you.

Including you.

Okay.

I gave myself some time.

I get it.

I still got 40 minutes left.

To see these fat ass,

pink arm,

teeny weeny

beta pricks with their ugly ass wives walk into this Mexican restaurant and sit down, smile, and be friendly.

I don't think you should be able to enjoy anything but Cracker Barrel.

Get your fat asses over to Cracker Barrel, but do not participate in any of the shit that makes America cool.

And what makes America cool is multiculturalism.

And if you want to triple Trump and you want to browbeat DEI, you want to browbeat gay people and you want to browbeat black people as you've been doing for 400 years and you want to browbeat this generation of immigrants that come over here and open up businesses earnestly pay their taxes you want to demonize them and call them rapists and felons and all this shit when the felon is the teeny weeny mushroom cock piece of kids, McTaco tits at the top of the ticket.

I have fucking had it from top to bottom.

White people that triple Trump should be banned, boycotted from enjoying the best thing that America has to offer, which is multiculturalism.

Get your fat asses out of the Mexican restaurant, get your fat asses over to Cracker Barrel, because nobody wants to see your fucking smug ass, teeny weeny, pink arm, big gut around.

Nobody wants to see that shit.

No.

Okay.

Let me say it.

Mike check one, two, one, two.

Mike check one two one two

salutations from the best podcast in the universe.

Y'all know what time it is.

You know what we're here to do.

So glad to be here with us.

And it took me to got a great show lined up for y'all.

And I said,

Charles

Bop this club up, Bottom's Cotton's Club up.

Bottoms club up.

Queen quick the money, y'all know what time it is.

It's a little chicken with a fucking millionaire.

Bop this cottage club.

Yeah, I mean,

Jamaica ad, blended, bullying all that.

40, what up?

Basically, what up?

Merrick, what up?

You know where we on right now?

They know that they do it.

I tell them I'm moving you and that's a big deal.

They gon' do it.

But if I ain't got a ride, they really screaming on me.

I give bitches the current, they fuck around and lose it.

Whoever you lift them from out there.

Hooray for the ladies, hooray for the ladies.

Yes, sir.

We wanna play with Nick Dave.

Got the power, I could tell my niggas brave like 50.

Come on, bitch, I just put the menu on my bitch.

My name is Nike.

Anybody in the airport right now?

Everybody on vacation right now.

The entrepreneur with the nine to five is everybody getting it.

Let's go.

High kills on my tip.

On my tip, once.

Okay,

rest in peace, beacon.

Why you say that?

Shout out to the whole Houston.

What up, what up, what up?

90 degrees in New York.

Hold up.

Go, yo, homegirl a hoe.

Shake your ass like her.

Subtitle, baby, daddy broke.

I got cash right here.

Ragged hoes, stop letting broke.

Niggas none of you.

She don't twerk with her mouth open.

Okay, cool.

One, two, three.

Shabuya, shot, shot, shabuya.

Roll car, shabuya.

Shab, shot, shabuya, roll.

Shabuya.

Shab, shine, shabuya.

Roll car, shabuya.

Sha-sha, shabuya, roll car.

I'm hella fine.

Yeah, I got some niggas, yeah.

Cause I ain't mine, yeah.

Can't stopping,

yeah, cause I'm in the bottom niggas in the room.

I'm smoking riff, yeah.

That ain't your nigga, he ain't no king, he'll eat, yeah.

Hey, I'm a stony, yeah.

Popular warm, yeah.

That's it.

White rock, that's my stomach.

I'm Luciana, I like the sauna, yeah.

Yeah, know how I'm colour.

You can't reach me by my number.

Then little fuck you ate my ass.

What a bummer, what a bummer, what a bummer.

You in the card right now.

300 19.

Chicken chicken, chicken bumps.

Chop chicken

chicken hates.

Chicken chicken.

Chicken bumps.

Chicken hates.

that way.

That old heron bag jail.

What they talk about

out there,

the gang is pretty big.

That goes like a skin.

All the pajodes out there.

All the sub goose out there.

You had to be there.

Hold Memphis, What I'm not.

You bought an Alpha.

Who run?

Who running?

I'm sick of them.

I'm sick of these hole niggas.

On my little hit, though.

Who running?

Bus guy.

Who run?

Who running?

I wanna break some shit, guys.

Give him a pepper sour, please.

Who run?

Who running?

It's a white.

God damn it.

Slop on my knob, like corn on the car.

Shit in with me.

I didn't get the job.

Let's go.

What you know about this name?

Yeah, drinking team, nigga.

Trinket team.

You know what I'm saying?

Look at this.

Hey, my nut, blind, let you count your hair.

Can't please count.

That was great.

I said, then Finn Boeer.

I started to knock, then came the horn.

Once you did that, I didn't know the cat.

So I bambed out.

And never came back, changed back, changed back, changed side.

Tick a side, tick a side.

Suck a nigga, dickers on.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Suck a nigga, dick a song.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Suck a nigga, dicker song.

Hope you mad.

Why your eyes open?

Don't don't play my man intro.

We follow up here, nigga.

Play with my man intro.

Yeah, for real.

Come on, man.

Salute.

Salute him, Mel.

Salute to the whole thing.

Thank you, Bart.

See what they put in the middle.

What happened, big man?

You don't like the vocal.

Suck a dick or something?

I'm fucking gosh.

It's just, when you put it all together, it's just like, look my pussy, fucking suck on my

numb, lick my balls, eat my dick, and

the JBTV community read some captions from you that you wrote.

What?

Oh,

shit.

Wait, what?

Watch itself.

What captions?

Nothing.

All right.

Just kill back.

Don't start with me.

But I'm just saying, before we get to judging Judgy Judgy, before we get to being Judge Judy around here.

I'm going to look at the clock and see.

is it even noon?

What do you think?

You think dick ain't getting sucked at noon?

I mean, I guess it is.

I don't know.

Mel, you're such a damn carrying.

Oh, man.

Man, round of applause for the best show in the universe.

Round of applause for the best crew in the world.

Let me get these drops out the way.

Mel got real tipper board on this side for a second.

Mel is crazy.

This is an observation.

She went to see Dolores Tucker that time.

Not fair.

Not fair.

That was an attack on rap music.

Yeah.

Vulgarity and lyrics.

Who was that?

It's Mark Hill pussy, pussy, pussy, pussy, push.

Flip and Mel, Mel, Mel.

What episode is this?

851.

Welcome to episode 851.

That's right.

That's it.

Oh, Lord.

Welcome to episode 851 of the Joe Button podcast.

Brought to you by a few, by power, by Prize Pitch.

Prize Pitch Gang.

I'm your humble, gracious, grateful, happy to be here, host Joe Button here with some really amazing people.

To my right, the beautiful, the legendary Melissa Ford in the building.

Next to her, Queens get the money, queens flip in the building.

Next to him, Wawa get the money, big ish in the building.

Next to him, Big Freeze, Mr.

Take It Further himself.

Next to him, Dark Lamont Hill, our good brother, Dr.

Mark Lamont Hill, back from vacation.

He's here with us.

Big Parks is here.

Myris Finance, Poe is here.

Corey is here.

Erickson is here.

savon and tiana here by remote last but certainly not least each and every one of you guys out there are here how's everybody doing man what's popping great good to see y'all good to see y'all

how's it yo wake this fucking room yo we ain't starting like that wake this fucking room up around here what's up what's up

how you doing man i feel great i feel like we're waiting with bated breath to hear how martha's

earth was

cool

i don't have any great stories don't speak for me i wasn't waiting to hear

i've been to the vineyard

your Your pet is back.

It's a good time, but I'm sure it wasn't an angry.

His pet is back.

Called a black man a pet.

Sorry, you're faved.

You're faved.

Whoa.

That nigga not even the moon today.

She didn't mean it.

Yo, pizza honey.

She didn't mean it, Mark.

Don't put it in the roller.

She didn't mean it, Mark.

She didn't mean to call you.

I did this to him.

Uh-oh.

It's not.

Got it.

It's not this at all.

It's just an observation.

Well, you were my babe.

Okay.

All right.

Well, Mark talked about it.

Mark, what's up, man?

I'm glad to be back, man.

I missed y'all.

It was.

I need a vacation.

From the vacation?

Yeah, I know, for sure.

Same.

You probably couldn't walk a foot without people.

It was all of that.

It was bringing

a three-year-old who, frankly, is a monster.

That's what I wanted to know.

How it was with Lil Man.

And I didn't know.

I've never been to Divine before.

I don't.

That's not my lifestyle.

So

I don't.

I literally never, I didn't even know how to do it.

Like, apparently, you're supposed to like drive there, bring a boat, get the ferry, do all that shit.

Yeah, it's a lot.

You can fly in.

I did fly in.

I did fly, and I flew in on like a week's notice.

That little airport, yeah.

So, everything costs an arm and a leg.

You know, I'm underpaid, so I couldn't really, I could barely afford tickets.

It was a piano sausages.

Yo, come on, Pierce.

Yo, come on, Pierce.

Step it up.

I subscribed to that night school.

You heard?

Oh, my God.

Yo, I swear, the people on the plane with a chip didn't pay for my ferry after my son got off that flight.

He tore that mother.

Oh, hold on.

It was the longest 35 minutes of my life.

Was that his first flight?

Yes.

That was his first time flying.

It was

the worst thing that happened to me last week, and my friend died.

And we're sorry to hear that.

Oh, Christ.

That flight

was awful.

Did he have his headphones, iPad, all of that?

His

headphones,

A-Rad books, I had

everything for him.

I needed Benadryl.

I gave him everything.

He said, fuck that.

She ripped the headphones out, threw them to the back aisle, dropped the iPad.

Suddenly he don't like iPads no more.

And he wanted to go up and down the aisle.

It was.

See, that's the thing.

You don't talk to your friends about their kids, but yours is a.

He's a problem.

He is a minute.

These kids are fucking bad.

They are a lot.

He was a lot.

And he decided that his normal wake-up wasn't good.

He wanted to wake up at 5 a.m.

every day.

Oh.

What time do you all typically wake up?

I wake up at 5 or 6, but to wake up before everybody else so that I can have some peace and freedom.

But he decided, nah, not this time, not this week.

So we did that.

I had my mother-in-law with me.

My wife was there.

You know, we did a lot of beach stuff.

That was cool.

To your point, it's the bougiest place I've ever been.

It's pretty bougie.

It is the bougiest place I've ever been.

And it's black month in the vineyard.

So it's like 80% black people there.

And everybody's trying to be seen.

And And that's like the opposite of what I want to do.

You know what I mean?

So, like, I went to the film festival.

It was dope.

Went to the opening reception.

It was cool.

But after that, it was just a lot of conversations with people that I didn't want to have.

And that night, I went out and found a nice, secluded spot.

Me and my wife came.

We were chilling.

Had a good time.

My homegirl Tarana just happened to be there.

Found her me too.

I think I mentioned it before.

She happened to walk up.

So we were like, oh, busting up, having a good conversation.

This woman comes up to the table and is like, hi, I'm a lawyer, and I'm here with a table full of lawyers.

And we demand to know why you're on the Joe Button podcast.

Holy shit.

Oh,

yes let's go let's go turn it up that's right

that's right don't say turn it because my wife that's what she heard

i'm i'm i'm with her yeah she was i'm with your wife so did she answer make a whole no i got momentum no i i i have learned i have a profile on my wife

so i knew at that moment that if she were to answer it it wasn't going to end the way

my end my end i would have i would have wanted to answer too like look bitch okay but go on that's what my wife was like, literally forming the words to say.

And my girl Toronto was there, too.

She's from the Bronx.

That was.

Oh, yeah.

She had the...

Let's go, girl.

I'm right here.

Let's go.

So I was like, everybody, be cool.

And I gave her.

But I also don't want to answer that question because I don't want to make people think they can charge me for an answer while I'm at dinner.

But I also did.

She wasn't going to leave.

Oh, shoot that ass.

And that's why you got to let.

Yeah.

That's why you got to let white people.

Let her go.

White people would have got it out of it.

I was giving her the eyes.

White is crazy.

You classy lawyer don't have enough coof and enough class to not know that this is inappropriate.

You need to be on the Joe Bottom podcast, bitch.

Hold on.

No, because she's saying it like we are less than.

Right.

You get what I'm saying?

So if you have enough coof to know that this is inappropriate, maybe you need to be over there.

Niggas be swearing that they up here.

Like, get your dusty.

Bitch don't like that shit.

Yeah, I don't like that shit.

I don't think any of us like that shit.

Yeah, nobody like that shit.

I said, look, I'm having dinner with my people.

That bitch is two in the morning.

And we were all like half-drunk.

Oh, yeah, that's true.

She was sober.

I can tell.

But so this wasn't like a noon brunch thing where it might be a reasonable.

It was two in the fucking morning.

Yeah, that shit is inappropriate.

After a white party.

Like, you know what I'm saying?

It was like, yo, just chill.

Sometimes you're supposed to give them what they're asking for.

I gave her like a, but also, I don't want the story to be that I was an asshole to her.

Not you too.

Because then it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Now you.

Because it multiplies, right?

So I gave her some answer.

Yeah, hold us down.

Oh,

I did hold us down.

That sounds like you didn't.

No, yeah, we're getting a lot of words.

I said, look,

I hold it down.

Give him a wide berth.

Go ahead, Mark.

Birth.

Wide berth.

He got this.

Space.

Yeah.

Safe space.

I said,

no,

I said, look, Joe's a problem.

No, no, I'm just kidding.

We're working on getting rid of this nigga.

I'm not even mad at that.

I've been trying to get rid of this nigga.

No, I said the show.

I said, I'm here to reach a big audience.

And I said, if you actually watch the show, it's not what people say about the show.

And I mentioned the Kevin interview where he himself said, like,

you know, this isn't what we thought it was.

And then I tried to end the conversation.

I did that shit in like 30 seconds, 11, and turned my back to her.

I turned my back to her to finish.

I got you know, bitch.

The conversation's over.

Yeah, minus that word.

But yeah, like,

she, I turned back like two minutes later, she was still there.

See, that wasn't enough.

She was waiting for more.

And I just turned my back and left her there.

But, like, it was that kind of energy sometimes.

But 90% of the people were cool.

They might ask for a picture.

They might talk and just

let it go.

So, you know, you know what, though, when you on one of those trips and you catch the lawyers out getting drunk,

they do that.

Yes.

The lawyers drunk after 10-11 while they at the vineyard or fucking

dumb shit.

They be the slides.

Okay.

All right.

Niggas sat up for that.

They are the slides.

No, they be the slides.

I'm at the slides.

I meant just this.

They be the slides.

Shut the fuck up.

Same night, same fight.

Those are the slides.

Judging everybody in the world.

Y'all the slides.

Slip a slide, get loose.

I got you.

I had just the opposite experience at NEBJ.

Like, they just, they love the pod.

They love the pod.

They love you.

They love all of y'all.

They love the pod.

That's why NEBJ is such an important place to be and to talk about.

All right, come on, y'all.

The vineyard, I gotta say, 90% of people at the Vineyard loved us too.

I mean, literally, most people, it was almost all black men.

Like, we love the show.

Tell everybody I love them.

What's up with Flip?

What's up with Ish?

I mean, they feel like they know y'all and they talk about y'all like that.

It was totally dope.

And again, and overall, it's a good experience.

Anybody out there that wants to vacation, do that.

Just plan it early and expect to spend some money.

But it was bad.

Yeah, it was expensive.

I didn't have that experience, but it wasn't a festival or whatever was going on when I was there.

It was way more low-key.

Yeah.

What month did you go?

I think it was July or August.

Because first of all, July is LGBTQ month.

It wasn't that weekend.

That's it.

It was cool if it was.

Yeah, no doubt.

I would have had told him.

I had a whole different experience.

Your shorts now.

Your shorts now ain't the most hell.

You cannot talk to me in this manner.

You're wearing.

Your shirt goes to your ankles.

I was coming out the hallway.

I tried to think he looked like a prophet.

Fuck you going.

Oh, my God.

Oh, man.

That nigga got the fucking

and the karate slippers, yo.

That's crazy.

I've seen some of them all-white party pictures.

Give me some more.

Honestly, that shit was crazy.

It can't help it.

How many old white parties you've been to in your life?

Countless.

You and Corey, that shit's in the 90s, 97th, 98.

No, I just saw everybody, you know, pictures from the venue.

It was packed out there.

Yeah, Michelle Obama came in last night, so everybody was trying to be there for the Obama week.

They come every week, every summer.

Just Michelle?

No, I think they both were there, but Michelle had her own party on Saturday night.

Got it.

Got it.

Yeah.

So did you see Barack?

I saw him.

Man, I didn't lie with him.

Oh, you saw him?

Three miles in.

All right, because I was about to put a whole lie on him.

I thought the man lies in Obama's jacket.

You can't come.

I'm not.

The Obamas aren't fans of mine.

The Obamas don't mess with you.

No.

I don't want to sound grandiose to make it sound they think about me, but I'll say that I've, the opportunities I've been given at other presidents, I have not been given there.

And when I've been, when I, the times when I was supposed to be there for something, somehow my name got taken off the list.

Marked a lot of people the wrong way.

Yeah.

We might be cool now.

What you said about Barack?

You call a nigga a war criminal and everybody gets on you.

You know.

Holy shit.

Thin-skinned people, man.

Thin skinned people.

You do that, but you big up the journalist confectioner.

Yeah, what's the

coal relationship, man?

Respect black, man.

Blockers, black, respect them.

We don't.

We're not worried about no more

criminal shit, whatever you're talking about.

I am.

Publicly, it's a black president that puts some respect on his name.

Okay, so you support black Republican presidents?

No.

Is he a Republican?

No, but I'm saying there are blacks you don't support because you don't agree with them.

He's the person I don't support because I don't agree with him.

Well, for 850 episodes, before we start, we do say, what topic do y'all want to start with?

Let me tell you, which one wasn't on that list.

No, what if we were to go to the bottom of the choice

at the board?

One in the group.

Not in the kitchen, dog.

I think I could take a shot and say, war crime is now on the board.

I will not let us be derailed.

We all done with it.

This is why the lawyers don't like it.

Let me take it back because one of the arguments the bougie people were having up there, myself excluded, because I'm not bougie,

was this Halley Berry-David Justice thing.

And I mean, people were ready to throw hands over this shit.

It was mostly, it turned into like a gender war thing a little bit, of course.

Oh, wow.

Really?

It was shocking.

And I shouldn't be shocked, I know, but it was like...

Actually, do we add a clip?

Because Halley actually, I mean, David Justice breaks down why he broke up with Halle Berry.

I have, there's many, but

I have one here queued up.

Let's get into it.

It really wasn't a lot of negative attention until I decided to leave her in 1996.

You know, I remember Hallie saying to me, you know, hey, you know, she asked me to marry her after knowing me for five months.

So

I'm looking at my mom and I'm a Midwest guy.

So in my mind, I'm thinking a wife at that time should cook, clean.

Traditional.

You know, and then I'm thinking, okay, if we have kids you know is this the woman I want to have kids with me build up a family

and at that time as a young guy she don't cook don't clean don't really seem like motherly

and then we start having issue

he ladies and gentlemen

I

thought he was ridiculous.

Now, I add two quick things.

He did say at the time, so he may not think like that anymore.

I don't want to say he thinks like that now.

But at the time, I thought the way he thought was ridiculous.

You are with Halle Berry.

He was her.

Yeah, Halle Berry was her.

Now, David Justice had money.

David Justice was him at the time.

He was.

So in the same way, it would be unreasonable for her to be like, yo, he doesn't seem like the type of...

He just wasn't home all the time.

He wasn't, you know, he was at practice.

He was playing for the Braves.

He was a star.

Like, I would expect the same thing for her.

She was in the prime of her career or entering the prime of her career.

She was the star.

No, she she wasn't those things.

And I don't think that's a knock against her.

And he almost made it sound like she wasn't doing her responsibilities.

And I would just want to add a caveat that he left that a little breakup.

She also had a restraining order for abuse.

I don't know whether it's true or not, I don't know, but it's

true.

But at least, I should say, the restraining order is true.

I don't know the details of their relationship, but what I do know is that's also part of what.

Was that what you were saying was true, the restraining order part or the abuse part?

All of the above.

And because she goes on to describe

the effect that it had on her and her suicide attempt directly afterwards where where did she describe this she describes it on oprah and in multiple magazines i wasn't doubting her account i just don't know enough to have to have an opinion on it see but that's the thing that that that in this conversation is kind of important

because

in the longer clip david justice is saying part of why i'm talking now about holly berry is because as a Midwest dude, I stayed quiet and allowed certain rumors to take place.

Holly Berry was abused.

This is his words.

I know the person that abused her, and she kind of let that story circulate as if it was me, and she never held me down or came out to say, this is not me.

That's what he is saying in the long clip.

Yeah, I heard that part as well.

And that's what I was like, I don't know enough about that to know what's true and what's not.

I don't know about that.

Because I feel like everybody up here knows who the allegations were against.

Dude, I, as a man, can't do that.

I'm going to be honest.

I do.

I won't say it.

I know who they are against.

I'm going to be honest.

I have no idea.

I don't know if it's valid.

Hold on.

Let me tell you.

For as long as I can remember, I always thought it was him.

Okay.

Same.

That was the rumor.

But it was him.

In defense, I agree.

But we were 12, maybe?

Yeah, when these allegations were folded up.

When this first came out.

That rumor carried.

Yes, that rumor carried.

Because when this first came out, I saw a conversation of people saying, yeah, but you did this to her.

And then I looked it up.

I'm like, like, oh, shit, it wasn't him.

All this time, I thought it was him.

So that cat.

So if we're taking him at his word, I can understand having an axe to grind with Holly Berry all of these years later.

Even an axe that you buried for 20-some odd years.

Yes.

And in my opinion,

this is what I took from it.

I took, one, a level of honesty from him.

I also took a level of accountability from him.

So I think he said, basically, back then, knowing what I knew then, as a 26 25 whatever year old man, this is where my

Thought thoughts were.

He country is fucked today.

So I can only imagine how he sounded in the 90s.

He sounded like he just came out the farm like yo dog night a young kid.

He's a superstar athlete.

He was right living in Atlanta.

I came from this.

These are my perceptions of how a woman should be.

It's no different than women that grew up with their dad.

They'll tell you in a heartbeat, yo, I grew up with my father and my grandfather.

These are how things that I think a man should do.

Like, yo, dog, you need to be hands-on.

I grew up in a household where my father fixed shit.

Sweetie, I'm a software engineer.

I'm just going to call thumbtack.

You know what I'm saying?

People and women will be like, yo, I like men that are manly men.

It's just...

how his perception was back then was wrong.

How he was raised.

Yeah, but it was wrong considering you have to modify your perception to who you're dating.

I wish I could have heard him say it was wrong a little more explicitly.

I have the longer clip here.

He basically said,

I didn't understand because I had saw the longer clip first.

Okay.

And seeing that, then I didn't really get the gender war power.

That's a bitch me either.

Because in the longer clip.

There wasn't a lot of negative attention until I decided to leave her in 1996.

You know, I remember Hallie saying to me, you know, hey, she asked me to marry her after knowing me for five months.

I said, okay, because I couldn't say that.

And this is long, so I will cut it on sometimes.

You know, and I said, okay, but I don't know if my heart was really into it.

But I just, I would, I didn't want to make her feel bad and say no in the moment, you know.

You know, like, I was just in the moment.

It caught me off guard.

But I was like, cool, we getting along, we vibing.

Again, we're only five months in.

You know, we still in the honeymoon state.

But we spent a lot of time apart because she was doing movies in this country, that country.

We probably could have made it if I knew about therapy.

If we knew about therapy.

See, I took this as accountability.

Me too.

I never had any major issues like that.

It's just that I, because I was young

and had only been in honestly one real relationship before her, my knowledge and my understanding, my wisdom wasn't where it needed to be.

Wasn't bad.

At all.

I'm looking at my mom.

And I'm a Midwest guy.

So in my mind, I'm thinking a wife at that time should cook, clean.

You know, so he's saying, well,

I'm not sure if we have kids, you know, is this the woman I want to have kids with and build up a family with?

And at that time, as a young guy, she don't cook, don't clean, don't really seem like motherly.

And then we started having issues.

We never had any issues about other women, other men.

I mean, like, see, this is not the picture that is painted at all about this.

Hold on.

I got

it.

One time, because I didn't understand it.

When we were were out to lunch in LA.

I remember I'm from Cincinnati, man.

I ain't even in LA scene like that.

And she see an actor that she worked with one time, and he came in, hey, hey, kissed him on the lips.

Oh.

What?

What are we doing on this English?

Is he European or American?

I'm not saying that.

Hey, American.

What the fuck is going on here?

What?

So I know this is going to be a conversation.

So we get home, and I asked about that.

Oh, that's what we do in LA.

Oh,

okay, okay, man.

20 more seconds.

I cut it off.

No, no, no, keep going.

I was in the restaurant all all the time.

I had a young lady at the front seat all the time.

We went there so much, she became so friendly.

We got to hugging her every time we come in.

Hey, how you doing?

Just regular hugs.

I took my wife to lunch one time.

I said, Hallie, this is such and such.

This is Hallie, right?

Hallie looked at that girl, saw how fine she was.

Man, she came with her.

She gave one of them, like, barely touched her hand, right?

Just played her crazy.

I was embarrassed, bro.

I was embarrassed.

I was like, but wait, hold on.

I just hugged the girl.

You kissed this dude.

And you mad at me?

Cause I hugged the girl.

So remember, we're young.

We're young.

So, you know, young, you get petty.

You know what I'm saying?

I can cut it here.

He keeps going.

No,

I think it's a good place to stop.

I think

it was over.

This is the first time I heard, too.

And when this is just David and the house.

It's helpful for context for me.

You never saw that?

No, I'm saying I saw the other one.

I never saw the fullest note.

That's what I said from the beginning.

I said, like, you know, he said back then.

So I was trying to give him some grace on that, but he actually delves even deeper to make it clear that it was back then.

But the gender war thing that was happening, by the way, it wasn't people debating whether David Justice was wrong or not.

It was people actually making a, debating about whether or not a woman of that stature should be doing those things.

Well, the Metasphere was so crazy.

The first thing I saw was the Manosphere reactors.

Because I looked for the clip to get the full context.

I was like, oh, fucking, I landed on one of these.

I just think that's

more silly rage, baby, right?

Like a woman that's the first $20 million dollar actress the woman with all that she had going on he goes on to say that she was broke at the time i was about to say but yeah be clear and again i think i think he even admits to being wrong

right well he might not have said y'all was wrong i think he no he says i'm wrong at that time at that time the way i viewed at that time blah blah blah but he was him

she they got married in 93 bro but this is not that hally berry that we see today well 93 1996 but she had boomerang we don't need to get to all that because with all that going on,

you hire the nanny, you hire the cleaning lady, the cleaning person.

Exactly.

You hire the chef like this dude.

This is like a lowbrow argument to me.

I agree.

But the problem is, if you old country dudes, it's not just can stuff get done.

It's...

is this the right kind of person?

And the idea is, if you're not down to do that yourself, then you're the wrong person for me.

I can afford to get it taken care of, but I need somebody who wants to do that.

But even just the fact that he states that they barely knew each other, you know, regardless of the fact, like, she asks him to marry her.

I don't know her thinking as to why you asked this man to marry you after that.

You do not do that.

After five months, if I think that I, if I think that I have met my soulmate and I love you more than, I don't know what, the sunrise and sets on the crack of your fucking ass, yes, I would.

I would, I would.

But that's not that.

But that's not what that sounds like.

He sounds wildly indifferent.

He goes, it's almost like he wants to say, I really couldn't give a fuck.

You know how much you got to be him to be like, Hallie Barry, I felt bad for her.

I just said yes.

Yeah, you said, I felt bad for her, so I said yes.

So I entered into a marriage with her.

No, you don't.

No, you don't.

No, you don't.

No, you don't.

Yeah.

Wait, what?

What?

No, you don't.

You don't.

No, you don't.

Don't explain it to me.

I might be wrong.

Tell me.

Why?

You shouldn't just marry off of someone's fucking good looks and stuff.

Physical

clout.

No, I'm not saying he should have.

I was just saying, like, you got to really be that nigga at that time in your life.

That nigga's handsome.

My nigga, that nigga was playing for the Atlanta Braves when they were the Braves.

And the Yankees.

I'm saying the same thing.

As I'm saying, he was that dude.

Like, yo, dog, that nigga was him.

We're not.

Okay, so he's saying.

We're

word salad.

Mark's question was, yo, you know how you gotta be to say dude to Halle Berry.

He might have had 10 Halle Berrys on his roster.

And she wasn't Holly Berry, Holly Berry.

But I also think that that's.

He didn't have a couple of salad.

I was speaking to him.

Anyway, that's nothing.

I think that that was exactly what Mark is saying.

Mark was basically saying he was him.

She was her, he was him.

They are the, they were the power couple before the term was even fucking coined.

But the whole thing, the weirdness is you really,

you didn't really have like an investment in this woman.

So why?

What's happening in the market is if any woman that asks you, I don't care who you are, Marilyn Monroe, you could put all the stats in the work, Queen Elizabeth.

If you're five months in and you propose to a guy, I don't think that you need to be that dude.

I'm not ready for that.

Yeah, this seems like a lot.

Yeah, I think a regular...

The UPS worker could be a- That's actually a red flag.

Oh, it's a super red flag.

A lot of people.

You want to tell a troop about it.

That's a red flag.

A lot of pressure.

And on top of that, y'all are right.

He was him.

But I don't think you need to be him for that.

To handle that that way.

That's true.

I think the biggest thing with this clip that caught me off guard is why is this happening right now?

Because the podcast.

I think

30-year-old relationships.

A lot of people were thinking about it.

We're still hot to eat.

Like, come on.

But what happened, what I saw a lot of was people making this the flip of the Nellie Ashanti argument.

What do you mean?

Tell me what.

With

Nellie saying the whole, yo, I'm not changing changing no diapers.

I'm not doing any of this.

I'm hiring somebody.

So now when you hear a man say it, they were like, okay, if y'all stood on that side, it was okay then.

Why are you have a problem with it when the woman's saying, I don't want to do that?

And I'm her.

Okay.

So that's why people are trying to equate this.

I don't think Highliberry should have been cleaning anybody's house.

Agreed.

I think we both have enough money where I'm not cleaning nobody's house.

Nigga, my girl, I got to hire a cleaning lady, and I ain't got a tenth of what they got.

I'm just saying him.

My home runs.

And his...

Exactly.

No golden cloths, no nothing.

I just think that from where he was from and how he was brought up, that was traditional.

I get that.

That's all.

Especially back then.

Yeah.

That's why I was saying it's like it's about

whether that work gets done, but it's also for some men or women, to your point about the handyman stuff, about wanting someone who's that type of person.

Because it's like, oh, if you're the software engineer and you could pay thumbtack or whoever to do this stuff,

but I want a certain certain kind of dude with a certain kind of personality certain kind of character somebody who can defend me and those things often come with the dude just building the cabin for you and not calling somebody

and I think a lot of times the dude it's not about whether I can afford a nanny or not it's like do you have motherly because he said she's not motherly motherly he did you know that's about something else and I'm not sure if that's a she was also probably what 20 something at the time she was 20 something and that was such an unfair assessment of her because she goes on to have what like three fucking children so it's just like his assessment of her at that age was just like everybody who's a mother ain't motherly though that is a thousand percent i'm not and i'm not saying she's not i'm not i know let's just let's just stay where we are we're talking about hallie and we're and it's it appears by all appearances that she is a very involved very loving mother so let's just stay right there that's fair and i'm that was the case that's her i don't know no no i'm not letting you do that that's not fair because that's always the appearance yeah

the appearance is 99 of the times a motherly woman.

Okay, well, usually by this age, because all of her, you know, at least Nala, her oldest, is in her teens.

By this age, children have voices and they have social media and they come after their fucking parents if they ain't shit.

We see it all day long.

We have not heard fuck all from Hallie Berry's kids.

Everybody's as to whether or not.

Okay, okay.

Let's give it a.

I have no reason to think she's not a great mother.

I was just saying, I don't see having children as proof of being good at it any more than a father who has 10 kids.

You get what I'm saying?

But I'm also, but I'm not.

And I don't think that not having kids is enough for a man to say that.

Yes, that's the other thing.

If there's no kids and you don't see that motherly shit, it ain't no kids around, and she ain't being motherly to you, nigga.

We running around.

You got to see.

No, that's not true.

Yeah.

Tell me more.

You've seen.

Tell me more.

I've seen women be with nieces, nephews, other kids.

You can just see certain things that jump out.

It's like, oh, shit,

she knows how to handle it.

Dog,

there's women that have been around a man and men that have been around women intimately and been around them.

And a woman can say, yo, I don't think he would be a good dad.

I see him.

I see how he moves.

I see some of his moral shit I don't think I would be comfortable having a baby that assessment I'm saying is unfair that's based on their observation so that's their perception so they're not wrong in their perception the same way a man could look at somebody and say yo she outside too much she moving around a lot I don't think I would be comfortable having a baby with this woman she's fine at that point he shouldn't have married her

if he thought all if he if he thought of he thought all those things about her he should have left her the and didn't and basically was trying to insinuate i didn't even really love her leave her the the fuck alone That's the original regardless of the proposal leave her the fuck alone

go with the ten Halley berries that are nurturing and one fucking cleanup after you in the fucking household leave that one alone.

It's just it's weird.

It's just it's fucking weird.

I agree with that last point.

Leave her alone if that's not if that's not what you want

in my opinion No, he should have not married and she's the one that's not for you and you see all that fucked up shit.

Don't marry her.

That's all married.

He shouldn't have married her.

He should not have married her.

I didn't think he shouldn't have left her.

He shouldn't have married her.

If you say she proposed to me after five months.

I didn't wasn't into it.

I felt bad for her.

I didn't see the things I want in a wife.

Don't fucking marry her.

Why you make her a wife?

Yeah, just go marry her.

People are going to be a woman.

You thought you would change her?

Mistake one.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

And in retrospect, we think about it later.

People do things like that all the time.

Yeah, we'd be so happy.

And regret it later.

We'd be raising

one of these podcasts.

But later.

I'm not saying I would have done it.

I'm saying I would have did the same shit, but I'd have been wrong.

If you tell me, if at 26, if Hallie Barry said, yo, let's get married, nigga.

But that comes with Halley called me right now.

But that comes with conversation.

She's early in the podcast.

That comes with knowledge and experience.

Yeah, bro.

If you're 26 years old as Hallie, like you're going to

jump into it.

It just comes with knowledge and experience.

We do that a lot of times.

I think it's reckless to say, yo, this person shouldn't have done that.

What does he lose?

Yeah, we negate.

He still got his bitches.

We negate the fact that we're going to be.

We lose a couple hundred million if

it's the wrong answer.

Wait, hold on, but we take away growth and we take away experience from the person.

This is what you have to go through in order to make these decisions.

Wait, but hold on.

Here's the other part, though: is it was not lost on him what it looked like to have hallie berry on his arm that's why i said

exactly so you can't have it both ways you can't want to turn this fledgling starlet into a fucking housewife but then also rock her on her arm where everybody's going to recognize her for the achievements that she already has and what's probably going to come down the pipeline you don't get to fucking have it both ways and he wanted to have it

both ways

yeah because there are women who want to be in the spotlight but want to be home cooking chicken and and and and raising baby but again, we're staying here with this particular case.

Let me ask you a question on a different note.

Because I saw you make a face earlier, and I may have misread your face.

Joe said that it was a red flag, and we all kind of agreed there was a red flag to somebody who proposes after five months.

For her to propose that.

For her to propose, you after five months.

And we said it was a red flag, and you kind of looked like you seemed like you disagreed with that.

Did I misread you or do you?

No, no, I answered it.

Oh, you do think it's a red flag?

No, no, I answered it.

Like, he asked me whether or not that I would do it.

And I basically said if the sun rose and set on the clouds, no, no, no, I get that under that circumstance.

But under, but also, I have a very, I have very specific feelings about women proposing to men.

This is, that's where my traditionalism

creeps in.

You know, so, but, you know,

who knows?

Let that special fucking someone fall from the skies and it might change everything about double standards as a motherfucker.

I don't care who

tradition, her tradition stick in, but his tradition can't kick in.

That's all right.

I'm not, but I'm not.

It's, I'm not kicking his back in about his sense of traditionalism.

I'm kicking his back in about his about the choice of the woman.

Oh, got it.

Sorry.

Okay.

You know, so Mark, you want to say something?

No, no, Ben.

Y'all just never.

I will say, I completely understand Marion Holly Berry at 26.

I don't really understand 30 years later and talking about it.

I'm still on that.

Nah, I totally understand that one.

Yo, and they were asking him questions.

So?

Dog, Ice just sat there and said, me and Ice

said, we,

for all of these years, I'm going to be 45, thought that David Justice was the one beating her ass.

I definitely.

If that's not the case, I totally understand him addressing that anytime a mic is.

I agree with that part.

I just don't agree with the, I didn't see a mother in her and all the other parts.

That's the parts that I didn't.

But his back been, he's been accused of something he didn't do, and he stayed quiet.

So

your retort is to

be saying that there wasn't motherly instincts in her.

He's saying at that age, based on what I told you, what a mother and a wife.

And with no relationship experience

assessed wrong

I just want to be clear just for factual since what I said at the beginning was that there was a restraining order against him there was that was that was accurate that was for a verbal altercation they had and she said that she felt unsafe after their argument so to be clear there was a restraint order what I said was accurate um what I said I didn't know about was

whether there was any physical violence in there.

It seems to me based on what you're saying, and I haven't heard Halley Barry say anything to like on Oprah, she didn't say it was David Justice, right?

No.

right my understanding from

in 2025 it's easy to do that to join no in 2025 now just stand here i'm agreeing

he said no

i'm clearing it up i'm saying i want to be clear

y'all have to stop talking over each other

i i thought it was him too for years until i kind of got in the business and found out who it was and then it's it's also kind of leaked a little bit the actor who who has been alleged to do it it's not her it's not him i know i know you know and so i'm just i just want to make that distinction because i don't want people to assume because there was a restraining order against him

At some point, come clear it up.

Exactly.

And also, don't make it seem like that's what I was saying when she went on Oprah.

I did not say that he was the one that perpetrated the violence against her.

I said that there was a whole, that there's an understanding as to who it actually was.

I think we all missed it.

I think you didn't say it like that, man.

No, you did not.

I said.

You did not.

You said she is him.

You didn't.

You said it was him.

No, I didn't.

You didn't.

Push pause.

You were saying what's true, the restraining order part or the abuse part?

All of the above.

And because she goes on to describe

the effect that it had on her and her suicide attempt directly afterwards.

Where did she describe this?

She describes it on Opril.

Right.

So 30 years.

That was very talented.

I do have to fucking commend you.

You because you've been lying so long.

You're here.

Shut the fuck up.

30 seconds later.

Shut up, grasshopper.

Yeah.

He ain't no motherfucking sensei.

Anyways,

corny nigga gay, man.

I got you.

I'm a corny ass nigga.

So she put the mic right underneath.

Yeah, that nigga said you look at it.

All right.

Bruce, look,

nigga, like you ready to split.

Yeah, I used to say it look like I'm ready to do a split.

Y'all watch ourselves with y'all little jokes.

Because look, even the bottom of your shit's full of those niggas.

Chicken boards, nigga.

You look crazy, boy.

You look good and crazy.

Yeah, man, laughing.

Anyway, anyways, okay, so.

I'm gonna talk over Mal no more, too.

Oh, God, it's fine.

Okay, so almost 30 years ago, she gives the interview with Oprah, and she talks to several media outlets, and she talks about the effects that the marriage had on her.

There is the insinuation, she talks about the restraining order.

So the insinuation is that there was some abuse that happened.

But

I felt like everybody knew who it actually was.

No, I think they just

unfair to men.

No, because everybody didn't know.

I think a lot of people thought that.

That part is unfair to men.

Y'all just said the name.

I never heard that.

I didn't know that.

And if I did, I forgot it.

Yeah, I heard that.

But it's always been David Johnson.

I just thought it was multiple people who were always doing it.

But that's the thing.

He goes on in this clip to say, though Holly was broke, she had a different type of machine behind her to help push and frame any narrative that she wanted to be out.

I think it's fucked up.

Oh,

I think it's fucked up.

Yeah, if he didn't do it, it's fucked up.

I mean, I think that's simple.

Yeah.

If he didn't do it, it's fucked up.

And it doesn't sound like he did it.

So

if somebody has a restraining order on you, you said it was for verbal assault yeah but then they come out and say yo i was physically assaulted blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah yeah like the two or three things gonna start getting pasted together and then you don't refute that for the next 20 30 years that's nasty

that's nasty women be nasty so why didn't he do that why didn't he ever defend himself you can't how can he defend himself i never put my hands on her and then what and then that's it i never put her i don't know that he hasn't done that but i think his i don't know that works that works but what i was gonna say is i think the problem is to to the point Joe was making is believe victims.

She had a machine.

A lot of times they are not believed at all.

Epstein files.

Hello.

Everyone keeps looking for the Epstein files.

Listen to the women that fucking actually said the crimes were committed, but yeah, but gone.

I think David Justice's point is just that, one, he said his sensibilities as a Midwest dude.

You know, was that, you know, he just stayed out the way and let that go.

But I think he has at some point denied it at least once.

But I think his point was there's a whole machine behind Halle Berry where all if you hear that constantly, even if he's denying it, he's like, I didn't do it.

And they're like, he did it.

He's like, I didn't do it.

And that comparison is what keeps happening.

And that creates a bad situation for people.

I thank God that my male translator is back, boy.

I ain't going to hold you.

Because I'd just be sitting there.

But Mark.

Really?

Is that what you say?

That's what you say?

No, of course.

No, but come on, dad.

No, we gang, gang, gang.

I'd just be like, yo, wish, shut up.

But then Mark explained it, right?

So

he's a great.

yeah, yeah.

He's the male whisperer.

Is that what happened?

Yes.

Okay.

Yes.

Thank the Lord.

How do you feel about that title, Mark?

Uh-oh.

See, you always do it.

Look,

you're so extra.

I don't like it.

Yeah.

I don't like it.

I think we all.

It's reductive, huh?

It is reductive.

And objectification

at its finest.

Yeah.

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Did y'all see Shadow the other night?

I did.

You did.

Yawn.

Huh?

He said yawn.

What'd you say?

I said yawn.

At your door?

Yes.

I don't understand.

That's the story.

Get a smelling salt.

Tell me more.

Explain now.

How could you yawn that?

Because it's the preseason.

I find, I said something a couple weeks ago that stuck with me.

Really?

Not exactly, but I'm making meaning of it.

Oh, I'm sorry.

When we were talking about the Hulk Hogan thing, you were kind of like, it depends on who's doing the storytelling.

People respond differently to things.

I find that, like, if you're a Shador person, you're like, this proves everybody right.

And if you're anti-shador, you're like, this is the preseason.

And if he had played like shit on the first game, the haters have been like, see, this mattered.

And the supporters have been like, it's just the preseason.

To me, this is a nothing burger.

It's like, He played.

I'm glad he played well.

And I'm rooting for the kid.

I want him to be great.

But I I think too much is being made of a preseason game against not the best competition.

I couldn't be more on the opposite side of this.

Yeah, me either.

I'm shocked.

Couldn't be more on the opposite side.

Usually reasonable.

Didn't he play against first team D a little bit?

He did a little bit.

Preseason D.

And they ran him around a little bit.

Man, it's not.

That ain't his fault.

I'm just saying.

He did play against first team D.

Pauls.

It wasn't the best.

It looked a little bit better when he played against the...

But first Team D means that they kicking our first team o-line's ass and got me on a run potentially yeah i don't necessarily mean yeah listen i'm not here to do it again

don't mean nothing 138 yards whatever it was two touchdowns touchdowns 14 for 23 yeah like stop that looks great but i'm not here to talk about stats or the game for what occurred in the draft and what we watched the spectacle made of him If you're of the belief that we're making an example out of this young black kid from this prominent football family, which I am, then that draft slide is a thing.

Let's put that to the side.

The quarterback that they took, whatever his name is that they took before him, was injured.

See, that's why this is not a nothing burger to me, because you have no control over who's injured on the depth chart and who is not.

That's true.

No, fam.

The two quarterbacks ahead of him were injured.

Yes.

Hey.

The owner just announced we didn't want you.

The owner announced that.

There's nobody in the organization that has fought for this kid other than the GM.

So

I think the bricks have been laid for him to fail whenever he hit.

It didn't happen.

It didn't happen.

That's not a nothing burger.

And that's not a nothing burger.

That's true.

I'll accept that he didn't fail.

I think what I'm struggling with is the people making...

Saying that this proves or disproves a point.

It doesn't prove anything.

That's what I'm saying.

I'm just saying.

Let's see.

Again, I hope he's the greatest quarterback ever.

You know, I'm just saying this game doesn't to me tell a story one way or the other.

But it does tell some of the story.

It says that this kid, with every odd stacked against him since before the draft, was ready to play.

Had enough mental fortitude to get in there and do what he did.

That's not a nothing, Burgers.

You can't do that with what they do and what they've done to that kid.

And some of those throws were not just regular Joe Schmo throws.

Some of those throws, he had poise in the pocket.

He moved around.

He stepped up.

He made throws in double and triple coverage.

He played well, bro.

He moved faster than he did in college, per Dan

Orlinsky, Orlowski, whatever his name is.

That's interesting.

What you put on tape matters.

And pre-game, preseason, whatever the fuck it is, that is tape that somebody somewhere is going to watch.

That matters.

And he's an NFL player.

I didn't think that was in question, even as a fifth rounder.

I mean, you don't draft fifth rounders who you think can't play in the NFL.

Right.

It's just a question whether you think he's going to be a starter or not.

But he didn't look like a fifth rounder.

No, that's not true.

He didn't perform like a fifth rounder, which to me is not a nothing burger.

And, bro,

if you watch the game,

which I did, his command of the team had other cerebral shit going on.

Like, when they came out the huddle, he didn't.

We've seen veterans that were backups come out the huddle and they look shaky.

He didn't come out the huddle looking shaky.

He came out the huddle like, this is my shit.

He came out the huddle in command.

I couldn't agree with.

Wait, hold up a minute.

I could not agree with Ishmael.

The way he commanded the team, the videos, the videos, hold up, the video circulating of him, because he's mic'd up.

So I don't even see many fifth rounders mic'd up.

No, he doesn't say his own personal camera crew.

So, so, but that's he wearing a mic during the game is not his own personal camera crew.

I know.

I'm just adding that as the next issue.

But so let's not do that.

He's mic'd up.

He's over there with Miles Garrett saying, hey, how would you handle my spin move?

So he's gaining information to three.

it took me till the third quarter to realize that that game was in Carolina.

So if not for anything else, this can't be a nothing burger because it's looking like that Tim Tebow effect.

I hate to use a white dude,

but that other effect, that other box office outside of football, you want to sell jerseys, you want to get people to this fucking nasty ass arena in Cleveland when it's snowing out.

Yeah.

You said

he want to sell jerseys.

No, No, not him.

Not him.

Did you know his jersey went crazy?

I'm just saying.

And they said that

he was mad because he gets a percentage in his contract.

He gets a percentage of all jerseys sold.

So they said so far, I think his jersey's made.

Yeah, you got to check this shit.

Check it.

They said his jersey sold.

I was about to order a jersey.

Me too.

Yo, they said that he's made $12 million off of his jersey sales.

I think his jersey sold $250.

If you work in the Cleveland.

You haven't played a game yet.

If you work in the Cleveland Browns organization and look at that game, there's no way that you could say this is a nothing burger.

You've now, they've changed the conversation in weeks to come now, not only in the quarterback room, but in the organization.

And it tells the owner who not only should shut the fuck up, but has gotten the quarterback pick wrong for the last 40 years.

Maybe it's a blessing in disguise that you didn't want it.

You don't want it.

Agree.

Now, go ahead, please.

I still, I agree with Mark.

It's a nothing burger in terms of what this proves playing-wise.

That's all I mean.

That's it.

Not if you're Shador Sanders.

No, now, I respect the shit out of him because he could have gone in there and been.

Shit the bed.

Not even shit the bed.

He could have gone in there on some, yo, they already don't give a fuck about me.

Like, all right, whatever.

It just went out there on some blah shit.

He took this opportunity, like, yo, no matter what, I don't give a fuck if I get in with three seconds left in the fourth quarter.

I'm going to go out here and ball.

Then it's coming on the ball.

So I respect that.

Then for this plethora of reasons, this cannot be a nothing burger.

To get a perfect game in bowling, you need a strike in the first frame and the fourth frame, of course.

And the sixth fifth.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

If he does this again

and again, because there's two more games, and Cleveland Browns' preseason games are now must-see TV.

If he does this two more times.

It's a conversation.

So then for him, that's a conversation.

That's what,

so then it's the building block.

For him and the people that involved, it cannot be a nothing burger.

They said he was potentially getting cut, bro.

Cut me now, I dare you.

Although that could go two ways, too.

Because there was a lot of similar shit back to the Tebow thing.

There was a lot of similar shit with Tebow, and that played against him long term.

True.

Because he went out and won a playoff game and now

can't get a job because no team wants to bring that shit around.

Well, that's true.

That's always going to exist.

But that's why I didn't want to use him as an example because we do also have eyes.

I saw those games.

He can't throw.

Everybody watching knew that he couldn't throw the ball.

Yep.

Shador Sanders made two really good

red zone plays.

Yeah, I think he can play.

I don't know enough about football to know whether he should be first round, third round, fifth round.

When I say nothing, Berger,

I'll throw that word away and stand down on that point.

My point on it wasn't that this game doesn't matter at all.

I think every game matters, right, when you're watching young people.

Your point is, don't overblow it.

Yeah, all I'm saying is this doesn't prove the case for him or against him.

This ain't the I told you so on either side.

That's the best way to put it.

That's fine.

Everybody was saying this is the I told you so.

See, I told you he could play.

And it's a preseason game.

We just don't know.

And I've seen too many.

It's the depending on how you're getting dressed.

It's the shoes.

It's the socks to it.

It's some part of the album.

This absolutely plays.

It's some part of that.

It's the tank top.

But it ain't the end-all-be-all.

No, that's what we say.

This is not the end-all-be all.

Not at all.

Let me ask y'all a question.

I've been hearing rumors through social media and some sports people off social media saying that this is the setup to trade him, to basically trade him to a place that now we'll see him as a

starter.

You don't see it.

That's Hoot Nanny.

That would be.

the browns have two first round draft picks in the next in this uh 2027 uh six draft okay which is said to be a really really really good draft if you're the browns and they've been a dysfunctional organization for a while but if they weren't

You want one of these quarterback picks to pan out that you got in round four and five so that your two picks in the deep draft could be about something and now you got the building blocks or something.

You just paid Miles Garrett all that.

They already got building blocks.

They got Miles Garrett.

They got.

They got something.

Thank God.

Hopefully, God, Nick Chubb comes back or whomever their running back.

I think

he's not a pre-agent.

He's going to have a pre-agent.

He's a pre-agent.

Will they back?

It was another kid that was back.

I can't remember his name.

It was tough.

He was tough.

It was tough.

But

you want to be able to spend those two picks next to him.

On a good defensive player receiving something like other than that.

Of left tackle and edge.

Yeah, versus filling a need.

Right?

So that'd be great.

Congratulations to Shador Sanders and the Sanders family and Karucci.

Like, this is a big deal.

This is a really big deal, man.

This is not to be overlooked.

That's true.

Also, speaking of, we have Ari Lennox doubling down on her Martin Take.

Do we have clips?

Do we have clips?

Somebody, find me a clip.

Find me a clip.

Come on, wake it up here.

Energy up.

Energy up.

Ari Lennox went on, for some strange reason, to double down on her martin take, where she received a lot of backlash for saying that some of the jokes were not only inappropriate but colorist and did a lot of damage to how black uh darker uh complexity women are And I stand with her on that.

But I thought what was interesting is she added to it and said, kind of like, you know, I can defend myself.

I stand 10 toes on that.

And the piece of the clip that she said that was setting people off more recently was she said, as a matter of fact, I watched Bernie Mac

and I heard something, and you know, and I also found some of those jokes offensive.

He's a legend, but some of those jokes were problematic too.

That's what she said.

And if you watch Richard Pryor, they'll be offensive.

Eddie Murphy.

If you watch Eddie Burphy,

they'll be offensive.

Anybody that's funny.

She should find something to do.

I mean, anybody.

Eddie Murphy.

She should have something to do.

Eddie Murphy said the gay dude was sitting on the car spinning his hand.

What was he doing?

Pull over.

Yeah, what are you talking about?

No, he ain't saying it like that.

No, he did do that.

We know he should.

And they said that.

Like the good comedian, good comedy, and that show was a sitcom, a comedy entertainment sitcom.

The good comedy is going to give you some of that.

You weren't here.

We said, if you feel like this about Martin, how did you feel about Samfin and Son?

Yeah, I mean, it's

how did you feel about Mary with Children?

And I watched y'all conversation on it and, you know, great disappointment

and judgment.

I think there's two arguments, right?

One argument people are having is she's wrong.

And another argument people are having against her is, yeah, but so what?

Like, that's what comedy is.

And I'm hearing more of the latter coming from y'all right now,

which is interesting.

I think what I was most frustrated with were the people, and I disagree with both of those arguments, but I was most frustrated with people who were saying it wasn't true, right?

But as far as all comedy is offensive, all comedy is offensive, but all comedy doesn't have to be

anti-black.

And I laughed at the anti-black shit growing up.

I saw it.

I didn't see it as that growing up.

But now, when I look back on it, I'm like, oh yeah, that was fucked up.

Oh, yeah, no, that was real fucked up.

What did Martin?

Back to her initial comments.

Again, Martin joked on everybody on that show.

What did Martin joke on Pam that was colorless?

He never made any jokes about her complexion.

BDB.

BDB.

That's not a dark skin

joke.

No, it's not.

That's a hair joke.

But there's a direct correlation to darker complexed women and

of course and nappy hair.

The assumption is that if you're lighter, you don't have nappy hair.

That's an assumption.

Yeah, but these are all based stereotypes.

That's what stereotypes are.

They're assumptions about how people are.

But hold on, listen.

My problem is...

why must we.

Sorry, my mother.

I was going to say, of course, it's not a fact that all black people eat watermelon, right?

It's an assumption people made, right?

It's a stereotype.

The fact that it's not true is what makes it dangerous, right?

Because we're assigning to people truths that aren't actually true.

And so there's something

really harmful, I think, about

one, a setup where the love interest, the one who finds love, is often the light-skinned character.

You see the same thing in Talipa movies with men.

So it goes in both ways.

No pun intended.

There's a light-skinned character who finds love.

There's a dark-skinned character who doesn't find love.

There's a dark-skinned villain.

There's a light-skinned hero.

These are all things.

Even if they don't say those things.

Pam found love.

That villain is always the nigga with the money and the light-skinned cute nigga.

Even if they don't say those things.

And so...

Pam is always...

Pam is on the butt end of most of the jokes, right?

Now, if Shanene had been light-skinned, it might have been a little more complicated, right?

But even, but the women characters that get joked on the most are the darker ones.

And when you start making jokes about what's in your kitchen, you know what I mean, or your breath or these other things, and it's a dark-skinned character, it does do something.

Yeah, and Esther, when Sanford and Son was a victim, but the difference with Sanford and Son is everybody was the same complexion.

There were no light-skinned people.

I mean, if you think about it, Donna, Esther, I mean, everybody was the same complexion.

So Gina wasn't colorists to me.

Don't you think, Mark?

Mark, you got it.

The issue is that...

There's so many things that are going on in the world today that I don't understand why people have the time to go back and ridicule the comedy or the shows that

were part of us growing up, right?

Like,

it's too many things going on right now in the world.

So

I feel like it's a disservice right now to do that.

Here's why I don't think it is.

If we look at a, I hate to say rap video because we don't do those that much anymore, but when you look at casting costs, rap videos for sets, and they're looking for light-skinned girls to be in the video only, or attractive girls only, but they mean light-skinned, right?

Where do we get that thinking from, right?

And so when you start Tracy, you say, well, that's how we grew up.

We grew up admiring Gina and clowning Pam.

See, and that's

it.

Gina got clowning.

Gina got clown.

Wait a minute.

Wait a minute.

See, and that's part of the problem.

Y'all brushed it.

Ari Lennox didn't watch Martin as it aired, so she don't know that everybody still wanted to fuck Pam.

Word.

Everybody still wanted to.

Pam wasn't the bum on the show.

She wasn't.

It wasn't what.

Niggas didn't want to fuck Gina more than they wanted to fuck Pam.

I know I didn't.

So I get that she's saying she's not trying to rewrite history, but if you weren't there, then you kind of are.

And where I agree with Flip is these are the same people, Pam, Gina, Cole, everybody that's alive, looking for the Martin reboot.

Yeah.

No, nigga, she asked Pam these questions herself.

I know, and she answered, we played it.

I don't want to harp.

But these people are not only looking for the reboot.

Martin had a didn't had a health scare.

Like,

I think the main point is not to say that there was zero validity in what you were saying, but like Flip said, in 2025, why are we here?

What are we doing?

And why is this the focus?

This show is cemented already.

Yeah.

What's the point of going back?

You should have something better.

And that sounds wrong, so let me not say that.

But what I'll say is this.

This is where some of the confusion comes from with Ari Lennox and other artists that decide to get on the net and share the opinions.

The difference between them and our superstars is they won't share share their opinions.

Like, you are in the people business.

So I get everybody feel like, hey, we got a platform.

Let me share.

Ari Lennox is newly left her label or got removed and is in the people business.

And every year, at least twice, we get these moments from you that didn't have shit to do with Martin.

Hey, way before Martin.

For years, we get moments from you where twice a year you wig out on some black shit.

Yeah, I mean, I think that is more so the focus from people with the message and the messenger.

It's not to say you're totally off base.

I think you're right that superstars don't always or

you don't know what Beyonce think about a goddamn thing.

Yeah, but there might be something to be said about that too, right?

That I admire people who say

I understand this is the cost of superstardom, but I need to tell the truth.

Not on the Martin Hill.

See if it was a real hill.

And And I heard you just say this last night on some war criminal shit in your conversation.

You was going, if this was a real hill.

Oh, when I was defending Mel.

Yes, but

I would admire that too.

But what is there to admire on the Martin Hill?

It's a weird hill to die on with so much education.

You got to speak about a lot of social injustice, a lot of things.

You know that we're going back to Martin.

But you know,

sometimes

we're talking about war criminals, right?

Just to use it as an example.

I'm not going to war crimes.

I'm saying, you've been dying to it.

I'd love to.

I mentioned.

But, like, if I were to say, well, yeah, let's talk about pop culture.

There's a relationship between those things.

When we grew up watching WWF and Hulk Hogan's waving the flag and Nikolai Volkoff and the Iron Sheik are not, that sets us up to believe that we should be warring with those people, the axis of evil, right?

There's a way that pop culture trains us to look at the world differently.

There was too much pro-black shit in Martin for that to be my focus.

Exactly.

And with experience, and hold on, that's part of the problem.

And with experience, you realize that at the time those things were happening, it was currently happening in the world.

So, there's a relationship between the two.

WWF did was just imitated that.

That's all it is.

And I'm saying something different.

I'm saying it wasn't imitating.

I'm saying it helps create that.

It's easy for me to accept that.

I'm saying it's easy for me to accept famine in Africa if I got Abdullah the butcher eating up turnbuckle, and I believe that's what those people deserve.

A Kamala the Ugandan giant.

You see what I'm saying?

It's easy for me to bomb Iran if I believe that the Iron Sheikh's a cheater who stole Bob Backlund's championship.

You see what I'm saying?

There's a relationship between culture and politics.

And I'm just saying Ari is on that tip.

Now, I agree.

That might not be the hill I would die on.

I wouldn't want to be fired from CNN for talking about Martin.

That's what black people are saying.

That's all black people are saying is this is a weird hill for your weird ass.

We've been thought you was weird, not me, but that's what black people are saying.

You've been weird, and this is another weird hill for you to die on.

Okay, wait, I have a question, Mark, because I see that you mined through the comments.

Did you see anybody who was agreeing with her?

Was there any dark women of a darker complexion that were agreeing with her statements?

I've seen people that agree with her.

Lots of people were agreeing with her.

And I think when you're a darker complexion person, you often

you experience those things differently and you see those things differently.

I mean, and it's not just Martin,

it's the history of black television.

So can we lock these people off TV in a gymnasium

so they could argue about it, right?

Like the people that's like doing shit in the world, like trying to make a real change, should be separate from these people that want to fight about the shows from the 90s.

I think a lot of us have to do that.

And colorism has always, like, there's been a thread throughout like all film and television making when it comes to like black stories.

We were just talking about paperbag tests and what was the movie called?

School Days.

School Days.

Yeah, exactly.

So.

Shut the fuck up.

So it's just like this isn't, this isn't anything new.

Yeah.

This isn't anything new.

And the fact of the matter is, she was probably like a young girl when Martin came out, you know, like really, really young.

So it's like...

If she was alive,

she might not have been born.

Maybe not.

So I'm assuming that the first time she ever probably watched it was as a very, very young person.

And then later on watches it and sees something through a different lens now, processed it one way, and then realized whatever she's realizing in real time kind of thing.

So do you have an opinion on that though, Mel?

About how she, or you just, do you have an opinion on her comments on the Martin Show?

I, my comments are basically like whatever lens in which she's looking at the world is based on her on her personal experience.

So, I really don't have a judgment on it.

You know, there's things, and you know, being older, there's things I look back on that I had one impression of or one idea of, and now I have a completely different opinion of it because of my lived experience, because of my age, because of my maturity, and because of like my understanding has just changed.

So, you know, do you extend that?

Just so y'all know, she was one when Martin first aired.

Yeah, but totally aside from that, and this was, this speaks further to the point you were making last night in the conversation that I won't bring up we looking at the worst hundred days from a president probably in the history of presidents that's what i'm saying and look what the we're talking about you in spite of what i think of you have an a voice and an audience

and we on market

that's fascinating

come on

come on think about what we talk about up here on a given day yes we talk about lots of stuff that people would say isn't as important as what's happening in trump Trump or in Gaza.

That is.

But it's happening in Germany.

Hold up, hold up.

Hold up.

That is a false parallel if I ever heard one.

Because while true, in the next breath, we would get to Gaza per you or the 100 days from a president or whose vote for, we'll get to it.

But that's my point.

Ari's doing the same thing.

I'm saying,

why are we not allowing her to talk about that on top of other shit?

She has not.

All she's talked about is getting shit thrown at her at the Ride Wave concert.

Martin, she's talked about

everything that is related to how people treat her as a dark-skinned woman in entertainment.

It's been nothing.

There's been nothing outside of that.

And if I'm wrong,

please bring up the point.

I've never heard it.

Is she getting treated bad?

Is she getting treated bad at this time?

Not my place.

She has spoken about it before, like, in detail.

But if she's used the platform since the pandemic to talk about a matter that matters to black people as a whole, please tell me.

But what you just described to me is what matters to black people.

I'm saying it's not just like she's talking about TV shows.

Martin?

No, no.

I'm saying, in addition to Martin, just talking about how black girls and women and femmes get treated to me is a worthwhile issue.

Some people are single-issue people.

Some people are only going to talk about the environment.

Some people are only going to talk about sexual violence.

Some people are only going to talk about economic justice.

If what you're saying is true, then point me to the three black shows today that continue that trend.

As a society, black people have addressed this trend.

I don't know if we have.

I'm not convinced that we have.

I think that...

Well,

in the 90s, when Martin was out, there wasn't Lena Rafe.

There wasn't a Tyler Perry.

There wasn't

Isa Raymond.

There wasn't all of these black people, black minds with a green light.

You think Tyler Perry traffics in colorism.

And we talk about it.

Right.

That's what I'm saying.

So I don't think we've passed it is all I'm saying.

I think we have to keep talking about it so that this does stop.

Past it, no, but progressed.

Yes.

Yes.

And to act like we haven't in 30 years would be irresponsible.

I just don't think we should go back.

I think we have to keep track of both.

Name me the show.

I think we can acknowledge.

Outside of Tyler Perry, name me.

I mean, that's half of Black TV, bro.

Yeah, but Martin was on Fox.

Name me the show today that's on cable television that continues some of these dangerous tropes.

Well, there's not a lot of home.

Think about it.

There's not a lot of television.

Take a second

and think about it.

I don't watch power.

What'd you say?

Power.

Oh, that's interesting.

Yeah, he should have left her episode one, which you fucking dream.

That's what you're saying.

Tywan's relationship.

That was one.

That did what?

What he just said.

The whole villainized.

We always say say Tasha was the villain.

Tasha was the true villain.

She was.

And who his love interest was was this

fair-skinned woman.

Not in the

check this out.

I'm going to go back to getting money.

Yeah, yo.

Are we crazy?

Crazy.

Y'all have at it.

These are all fair points.

But I will also say to your partner.

I'm not done yet.

I have some thoughts on that's my mama that I need to get off my chest.

That's my mama.

Never mind.

It's a show from the 70s.

I'm about to say the whole thing.

Very funny joke if you get to remember.

But I was going to say to you, Flip, right now, Gen Z.

Oh, it's Shorty from What's Happened in Past.

Yes, I was going to shout her out.

Yes, Dr.

D, Danielle Spencer,

also known as D, one of my first TV crushers.

You had a crush on D?

Hell yeah, what's happening?

He still has crushes on D.

Nah, he's not nice.

What's your saying about that?

I was just going to tell you, just making a point, that Gen Z is looking back at a lot of the shows that were really, really popular back in the day.

And they're

looking at it.

They're looking back at everything.

Yeah, they are.

Everything culture.

Yes, exactly.

And they're just like looking at us like, what the fuck was wrong with y'all?

Nothing that Ari got to say is going to take Martin off Netflix.

That's a fact.

But Dee did die of cancer at the age of 60.

That's right.

And that show got decimated by cancer.

Shirley Hemphel, who played Shirley, died.

Shirley.

And Mabel King, Mabel Thomas.

That was his mom's, right?

Yeah, the woman who, her name is Mabel and both.

She died.

The mom died as well.

She lost all her limbs and stuff.

But Dee was not only a great actress, she also was a veterinarian.

She was an actual doctor

who spent her life trying to serve animals and humanity and was just a good person, best known for what's happening and what's happening now.

Shout out to her, her family, and everybody.

But yeah, the TV legend we lost.

Rest in peace.

Yeah, rest in peace.

Rest in peace for sure.

What?

What else is...

Oh, I wanted to tell you, because you were asking, the woman that you were playing in the beginning of the show, her name is Jennifer Welch.

And that podcast is called I've Had It.

Thank you.

Yeah, she absolutely smoked it.

She, that means it was a longer question.

She's incredible.

Shut up.

It was way longer.

What's up, bro?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So, you know, I know we've been going back and forth.

Or

the last Patreon, I went and, you know, we were arguing about how the JBP has.

Made you.

Yeah.

Or widen my audience.

Made you.

No, watch your fucking mouth.

I'm just telling you from a fan's perspective.

Watch it.

What fans?

What's that?

Stop, man.

Where you about to go?

I made you.

Wow, but I played so easy.

So what happened was I was at the DR parade.

I saw Troy and Rashad.

E-Y-L.

I saw them.

They were walking with Terrence J.

So I'm with the camera.

I woke up.

Yo, hey, what up, y'all?

Troy and Rashad are still walking around outside.

Yeah, yeah.

So they was there.

In the public?

Hold on.

So they was there.

He was laughing.

But Terrence J had to go.

So he like, I'm like, what up, Queens Flip?

So he like, yo, come on, fellas, we got to go.

He's rushing them.

And then they're just still talking to me.

He like, yo, listen, we got to go.

If you want to, you can follow us.

So I'm like, nigga, what?

He wants me to follow, like, I'm a fan?

He wants me to follow y'all.

So I said, no, I'm good.

And I walked away.

About a couple of minutes later,

he follows me and sends me a DM apologizing.

And I'm like, oh, that was nice.

He even invited me to the beef bar.

So I go, Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

You heard of that.

It's a restaurant in Tribeca.

I'm going to shoot you some bass.

I don't care if you heard it.

Wait, where is this place, ma'am?

It's a restaurant.

Chelsea.

Yeah, no, it's not.

It sounds like Chelsea.

It was very nice.

It's in Tribeca.

becap i didn't know that was you suck my dick no no no no no no

he apologized

he said i had to get fitted i'm getting married i was getting you know i was in a rush to get fitted for my wedding i'm getting married so i want you to come out here to the to the beef ball paul i went there some exclusive i went in the back and he was just nice and they had fresh fries no no i didn't eat he offered me steak he offered me mad stuff

lots of meat there and he was just talking about joe like joe my man river road and if i knew that was you my approach wouldn't have been that way I apologize and in my head I'm like

what the fuck is going on but he wanted me to sit down at his it was his wife's birthday it's fiancé's birthday everybody there they brought out some black noir shit from uh ace of spades like 6500 they were just doing shit i was learning and i'm thinking to myself i'm talking to troy and rashard and i'm like

i was just talking shit to joe and them niggas but look at the treatment that he's giving me because I'm on the podcast.

You saw the article.

You know what I'm saying?

No, because he was like, yo, I don't want you go up there and kick my my back ass.

Joe, my man, River Road, that's my brother.

You know, I didn't come up there yet, but it was just a nice experience.

And shout out to Troy and Rashawn because they was doing it.

That shit was fire.

Can I ask you a question?

Me, yeah, yeah, yeah.

As a.

That's what I'm thinking over here.

What are you thinking?

Wait, so you they had to go somewhere.

They pulled them away from you, said, Yo, if you want, you can, nigga.

Yo, whoever you want to.

Meet us later.

If you want to come over here, you can.

They're like, oh, shit, he showed up.

No, we came.

No, you watch your fucking mouth.

I'm asking.

No, nigga, I stayed at the parade and I'll handle my business.

But what I'm saying, he did.

How did you get to this?

He DM'd me later and apologized for his.

And you went.

He said, yo, I want to have a drink with you.

I apologize.

Yes.

And you went.

You don't drink.

He bagged you.

You don't drink.

He's figuring DM.

He was invited to.

The restaurant.

See, I'm trying to get y'all niggas look at you.

You're a bird.

I'm trying trying to get y'all niggas like you.

You glowing right now, son.

You're a bird.

I went, what the fuck are we talking about?

Yo, listen, listen, I'm a bird.

Yo, boy.

That nigga tried to get you.

Try to get you drunk and get you steak.

Hey, nigga, hey, me.

Meet me over here.

Take this tuna tartare and champagne, nigga.

Yo, watch it.

And it worked.

It got it done.

Look at it.

The point is, it was a nice gesture.

All right, all right.

That's enough laughing at.

I need the ear flips.

I told him all the flip.

It was just a nice gesture to me.

It was a nice gesture.

A lot of you niggas follow behind niggas, nigga.

Fuck y'all niggas told you.

You were literally chasing your body.

You have to work TV.

What are you talking about?

You followed them to the

I didn't know who you were.

If I would have recognized you, that I was in a rush, he apologized.

He said, I would like you to come and pull up on me.

He said, y'all, if I knew you was Joe Lil' Man, watch it for Eric.

You're Joe Lil' Man, nigga.

nigga.

It's Jesus.

Tell me that.

Y'all and my little man.

Who y'all?

Who y'all?

You said y'all want to fight over there?

You little man,

nigga.

Hey, little man.

Who y'all?

Hey, hey, yo, don't fret.

Y'all talking about the bread.

Y'all rubber.

He was rubber, bro.

Who y'all?

You about to ask me a question.

What you about to ask me, Mark?

You said you had a question for me.

What you about to ask me?

Oh, we way past that dial.

I had a serious question.

I'm going to bullshit that.

No, man.

You had salt or sugar on the rim.

and you got your lemon drop i only drank lemonade no i only drank lemonade but i just came in i came in to just salute him i thought that was a nice thing and a jbp good day because you know it was

a good day it was his whole family there watch y'all

you met the cheyr was with you cheyr was with me camera on jacket

gotcha how was the parade the

the trash

trash the dominican but they did they did it just service i i didn't like this one the one the bronx was lit i feel like just too much too many restrictions restrictions

in the city.

They'll go home.

Why are you saying that?

Yo, you've been to all of Paris.

It's time to go home.

It's a parade at home.

Hey, yo.

You trying to play my wife?

It's a parade.

What you mean is the parade at home, nigga.

You trying to play my family?

No, never that.

Never that.

Just go.

You come home.

That'll be giving me some bullshit.

Stop.

Stop by the crib.

I'm always at home.

Stop by the house.

Stop by the crib.

Let's go parade.

Go home, too.

I think I'm always home.

Look, I did have a question for you, though, in all seriousness.

I was watching the Patreon and I watched the exchange, and obviously it blew up a little bit.

Yeah.

It seemed like y'all were talking past each other so much.

It felt like everybody

felt like everybody was saying you had a rep,

and it got bigger when you got up here, which doesn't seem like a particularly provocative or

offensive thing to say.

Unless it's flip.

So is it, do you have a, and I don't mean this with any description, sincerely, do you have like a inferiority complex?

Tick?

That's what I was thinking, but I wasn't going to say that.

Do you have an insecurity around people like playing you small?

Like, do you feel like people play you small and you're worried about that?

And so you overreact?

No.

Okay.

No.

I don't think, I feel like if it's somebody regular, I wouldn't care about it.

I'll argue with them and say different things.

But if it's just standing here saying that, yo, do you know where the Cayman Islands is or whatever the fuck he said?

Like, he's trying to break down why I may not be as popular as I think I am.

It's offensive.

That's my friend.

And you're supposed to know a little bit more about me than you must say that on the microphone.

That's where that comes from.

Because you know where the Cayman Islands are.

Exactly.

He was like, You know what a Cayman Islands is?

People recognize me there.

And I'm like, What are you talking about?

Like,

that was the problem.

That was what he said.

That's not why I said that.

So explain.

He was affecting the country.

You be in your defensive shit.

I was saying that me not having any popularity in the worldwide whatsoever.

I was a year on the show and niggas was coming from behind the bar as a result of the Joe Button podcast.

And my response to you.

My response to you is that that happened to me before, a long time ago.

That was my response.

So you was, what was the correlation?

The question was, because you said all across the country, and he was like, yo, you know what it came in Alice is as in, yo, it's not in the country.

So it didn't apply.

It didn't apply to that you were saying in the podcast.

But you be on your defensive shade.

But I could acknowledge when I'm wrong.

I was putting that like a slight.

I could acknowledge when I'm wrong.

Okay.

Yeah, I was just trying to make sense of it, because as a viewer, it was just confusing to me.

Because I was like, this doesn't feel like it should be an argument.

It should.

It feels like, because I would think everybody up here, myself included, are enhanced by being on a bigger platform.

You know what I mean?

And it doesn't take anything away from you.

No, no, no, no.

But when they're having a conversation with you, when people are having a conversation with you, they're not trying to, I don't feel like they're trying to negate the prior work that you've done.

But I don't think anybody up here.

Nobody negates your opinion.

I don't want to belabor this.

I don't feel like anybody up here was doing that or does that to you.

I think everybody up here.

I don't think that it's something that we should stick on, but I feel how I feel.

Joe understands where I'm coming from because he just understands where I'm coming from.

A lot of people may not understand.

So when I say what I'm saying, it's not to disrespect the platform.

It's just to hold on to what I built by myself.

Of course, you come with somewhere bigger.

Hey, man, just want to let you know that sometimes you can't.

You got to shut the fuck up.

See?

See, look.

Look what he did.

Look what he did.

Tell me how nice that is now.

Herbie Song?

Yeah.

Tell me how nice that is.

Hey, man, just want to let you know

All right, and we are back.

Oh, shit.

But no, since we're telling stories,

I went to

my man Nodge.

Shout out to Nodge.

Nod had his second annual

family kickball

just event down here down the street.

So I went because I'm a kickball fan and Naj is my man.

You played?

And no, I didn't play.

I didn't play.

I just went.

I ain't got time to turn an ankle.

I ain't got time.

You in the gym.

What does that have to do with my ankles?

You fit.

You not in the gym and you're not fit.

That's why I ain't going.

Interrupt me again.

That's why I ain't going.

Don't interrupt my story.

You know what I mean?

You should have went, though.

I didn't go because I ain't fit.

You'd have felt bad if you went.

All my knowledge, friends, is in shape.

I ain't fit.

That nigga Tone looked like God threw him down from heaven himself as a 60-plus-year-old son.

Look, you know what I'm saying?

Nigga looks amazing at 60.

Yo, don't know the people I know.

Sorry.

Don't know the people I know.

Sorry, we don't know.

Don't interrupt my story.

You gotta shut the fuck up.

Don't interrupt my story again either.

I went down there.

Everybody looked great, but I saw SO.

SO from Bag Fuel.

out to SO.

Were you alone?

Did you have security?

It was me, Corey, Ash, and Kino.

You sound safe.

That sounds safe.

You're safe.

Yeah.

Yeah, you're safe.

Keep it clear.

You don't need security to go to the park on River Road.

I think I invented kickball on River Road.

But anyway, a lot of people.

I'm bringing this up to say.

You're going to be comfortable around North.

SO sees me and says,

Yo, is it beef?

Like when I shook his hand, he ain't, yo, is it beef?

What's going on?

I heard, you know.

And I was like, no,

it's not a beef at all.

I'm just never coming to sit over there again.

So that made me want to bring it here because in content creation land, like niggas take you not going to sit over there as some type of beef, and I don't operate like that.

Yeah, same thing with niggas attack me.

Yeah, I don't operate like that at all.

Do you think it's you take you not going to sit over?

It's the way you said, I'm not going to sit over there.

Hey, listen.

I said it like I'm never going to sit.

Like the way I'm not.

But that's why he had to

clear it up.

Yeah, but see, and that's when content creators get real stupid, right?

Because when I see him the first time...

Oh, my bad.

No, it's a little.

Oh, yeah, that's nasty.

Thank you.

Because when I see him the first time, I shook his hand.

I let him know it was love.

Yada, yada, yada.

Then on the exit, because them niggas cut them lights off at nine o'clock on the dot, you knew of drug dealer niggas posing for a picture.

Talking about, come on now.

We got a little bit of time.

Not in Edgewater.

Fine.

Lights out, niggas.

Anyway, when I see him on the way out.

He's like, yeah, man, because I heard you said that you wouldn't sit here or whatever.

And I said, riddle me this.

You think I would let somebody come on my platform and say something about one of your kids and leave it in?

And he said, no, man, but I'm just saying.

I said, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

No, no, no.

Answer my question.

Do you think I would let somebody come on my platform and say something about your kids and leave it there with how we are?

Man, I don't know what you would do.

All right, well, let me answer you.

But the fact that

you're right, well, let me answer you.

But let me answer you.

I wouldn't.

I wouldn't.

I feel like some shit just be common knowledge, and these content creators try to play stupid when you see them at the kickball game.

Anyway, it was good to see Eso.

But no, hold on.

It was good to see Esso.

I just want to let it be known, yo, I could totally love you in real life and not want nothing to do with your business.

And I agree with Joe on that.

I think that in content creation space, they take

you don't want to sit on the show.

That's why I got attacked.

You know, I don't want to go over there because I'm cool with this guy.

I don't want to be there, but I fuck with you niggas.

If you niggas need anything outside of that, I'm down.

Then you get disrespected because it's like you sliding them by not doing that.

It's not that.

That's not the case.

Obviously, sometimes you have to make decisions for yourself.

I'm going to protect my space.

I'm going to just protect my relationships.

Y'all confused.

I'm not even going to hold you because

that's why I don't play COE games.

Y'all will play the COE game, which is content over everything, and then be like, yo, certain lines are crossed, and now I'm not going to fuck with you on this, but it ain't no beep.

It's just, I still love you.

Which one is it?

Dog, your interpretation.

Dog, your interpretation of C, not you, Freeze.

Your interpretation of COE might be a dusty nigga's interpretation of C-O-E.

If you think the E and C-OE literally stands for everything, then I question your upbringing and how you were raised.

The E and everything does not mean you could go on your platform and say something about somebody's children.

Oh, no, I'm with you 100%.

Personally.

But just because somebody is repping COE does not mean that they subscribe to you doing whatever the fuck is that.

Wow, wild Western.

No,

it's within the fucking boundaries of CE.

She's saying human decency.

Yeah, what are we talking about?

What are we talking about here?

Yeah, I learned back in the days.

So when I let change.

Two niggas is fucking crazy.

Two niggas is not.

COE had to change.

As your perception, yeah, it's your perception of COE had to change.

Yeah, I mean, you learn when you do interviews in 2016 and 17, and then you have to see niggas outside.

Yo, hey, you let that nigga say that.

I don't give a fuck if you defending me.

That's the shit with what Fifth was saying.

You let all the, you defending me, cool, but you let them up that you eat that.

And you let them up their game.

And you know that when you do something, you let them on there and say, I have to deal with that years later.

So that's what happens.

And that's clip culture, especially if nothing I said warrants.

Yeah.

Yeah, come on, come on, come on.

I'm not doing that with you niggas.

Also, in local news, not certain if anybody saw,

they put out a list of the best states to live in.

New York comes in at number nine on the list.

New Jersey comes in at number three on that list.

Only behind Idaho at number two and Massachusetts at number

one.

So I do want to hit the round of applause because as much shit as I talk.

You've never been to Idaho, I guess.

Oh, yeah, I might be missing something.

I don't know.

It might be popping and poison.

Maybe it is.

New Jersey is pretty fly.

New Jersey is pretty fly.

And this is, they made this list based off of financial strength.

New Jersey boasts the third highest median household income, over $101,000, and one of the lowest median debt levels in the U.S.

Health and wellness, ranked number two for lowest premature death rate, number six for lowest obesity rate, number seven for longest life expectancy.

Safety leader, officially number one in safety, thanks to low violent and property crime rates and having the most law enforcement officers per capita.

Low poverty and food insecurity, sixth lowest poverty rate and 10th lowest food insecurity in the country.

And lastly, oh, not lastly, quality of life.

From scenic shorelines to hiking trails, New Jersey offers a mix of urban energy and natural beauty.

I know I'm biased, but New Jersey is one of the best.

New Jersey is fine.

It's one of the best.

You just got to have money to live here.

Everything you listed is correlated to money.

It is.

That's for the most part.

Except for the

health and living.

Yes, it is.

definitely they have better have they have better access to have more money have access to better health care yeah so i'm all i'm saying is it makes sense it tracks because rich people live here there's there's a there's a you know in whatever ways jersey down is probably camden and willingborough and you live here urban i'm i'm and you live here it's not just rich people yeah

i know but he's trying to excuse himself oh no no he's in that no i don't there we go i did go there make some noise for mark being one of the rich people

make some noise for mark being rich moving to new jersey out of the mean streets of Philadelphia.

Come on, make some noise.

I live in Irvington.

Nigga, moving to the middle.

You far as hell in the middle of the night.

You don't live in Irvington.

No, you don't.

And don't.

You don't even drive through it.

You don't even drive through Irving.

That's where I live.

No, you don't.

That's where I live.

I stay with the people.

I stay with the people.

Congratulations to New Jersey and all of its residents.

And Idaho.

And Idaho.

I don't know enough about Idaho.

Massachusetts, I could see being noise.

I can get it.

I thought Connecticut would be.

For the same reason as New Jersey.

For the same reason.

I thought Connecticut would have been up there.

Connecticut and Massachusetts are in line condo with us.

I thought they would have been been up there.

There's so many parts of Massachusetts that are so rich you can't even

let us drive through.

Sure.

You're mad at you.

Sundowntown?

That's Boston.

But the rest of that place, man, is pretty damn fire.

Yeah, and Idaho I've been to, it's just too white for me.

I made too much money in Boston to ever say something bad about it, even though I'm aware of the roots.

The most racist experience I've ever had are in Boston.

Really?

Yeah, in life.

Yeah.

In life, no, Georgia, but some of the most, I would say, but Boston's in the top two.

Top three.

Yeah.

Well, Boston is racist as fuck.

It's a real racist.

Yeah.

And they fucked up the statue.

Marlon's kids.

Yeah, they ruined.

I don't know what they did.

Oh, shit.

Speaking of Boston statue, shout out to Tom Brady.

Got a statue right in front of

the.

Chillette.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Shout out to Tom Brady.

That's what I'm saying.

His statue looks like him.

We got to get the racist statue maker out of the game.

The white people's statues be looking like them.

Smoking.

That Ronaldo statue was crazy.

That D-Wade choice.

You see the Ronaldo ring?

Yeah.

You guys?

Yeah.

Yeah, that ain't no ring.

That shit was.

I made it a point to see Ronaldo anything.

Pause.

Pause, for sure.

Wild.

What?

We too old to be doing the pause shit now, nah.

I'm old.

That's all.

We should stop doing that.

Okay.

It's over.

Y'all could.

It's over.

All right.

Whatever.

No, nigga, stop using the wheelchair at the airport and saying pause.

No.

No, I had a wheelchair.

We used a wheelchair at the airport.

I had a wheelchair experience speaking.

No, Annie freely shared about it, though.

Wait, you used a wheelchair at the airport?

We ain't gonna rehash this.

Will you hurt your ankle or something?

No, just now, as a healthy...

Healthy.

As a healthy part of the 1% in America.

You go to the...

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,

whoa, whoa,

I know how much you make.

I got access to payroll.

You up there.

He's in the 1% of America.

And he uses a wheelchair in the airport.

And he's self-conscious about his weight.

I tried to pull an ice this weekend.

What happened?

I tried to pull an ice this weekend.

I went to go see weapons.

we get in the uber uh uh oh i didn't buy the tickets so i get on the thing oh fuck it's sold out except for the

accessible oh they don't put no seat there though but they well so there's more

they say they say yo you can buy the sit ticket ticket but if someone needs to take the spot you got to give it up i said all right that's not a problem we'll give up the shit no no problem so we get there and it's just Blank spots where the shit is going to be a little bit more.

No, no chairs.

But did you sit on the floor?

No, so we sat until someone showed up and then we moved and got the shit switched.

Anyway, I was astonished to learn that they charge the same price.

If you bring your own chair.

If you bring your own chair.

It doesn't seem right to me.

Yeah, that's fucked up.

It don't seem right.

You should get a discount.

You should get a little something.

You should.

What?

Wow.

I didn't know that.

For just the little.

Yeah, it's just a space.

Just a space.

You got to pay the same price.

Just a space where a seat could be.

Yeah.

That I could be charging regular life chair for.

Nah, that's fucked up.

You got to have the accessibility in there.

It's like this, the law.

You should look.

We got to charge.

And also, you might want people who can't walk to be able to see that part.

Exactly.

Y'all are evil people.

They're going to be in their own chair.

They should have got a discount.

No, no, no.

I'm cool with that.

It's just they shouldn't be paying the same as the rental.

I think they should get a little.

I think they should go for free, but that's just me.

Me too.

Yeah, me too.

And Joe, why the fuck you ain't go see weapons yet, bro?

Because my girl's coming in.

Oh, you're going to see what I'm saying?

We all went to go see weapons thinking that you was going to see it, man.

I know.

And then I spoke to him.

He told us all to go.

I'm glad I did go.

That shit was dope.

It was super fired.

And I'm glad we saw it at night because it was good.

That walk home was very uncomfortable.

I'm not going to spoil it.

I'm not you.

We're going to spin.

We ain't going to spoil it.

He's going to stir up.

Spoiler alert anyway.

Y'all go ahead.

Hit the skip button.

Hey, yo, when I left it, because I left the movie theater like one in the morning when I went to IPIC.

After watching that movie, driving with nobody in the streets, no cars.

Oh, you're afraid you're weird.

I'm like, me, Princess, and Nico.

I'm like, what the f.

They like, I'm like, what the fuck is going on?

Yo, me, Rem was walking down Steinway, and she's freaked out.

Like, we were like, oh, we can dip off here.

It's like, no, there's more lights here.

Let's stay right here.

Exactly.

And then when we get to the crib,

dude comes running by.

People are going out like this.

It's so powerful.

It's so affordable.

If I see anybody out like this, it's right.

You're gonna left Rem?

You gotta keep up.

Defend for yourself.

Don't tell me you gotta leave your girl.

You got to keep up.

Damn.

They're going to chase me.

They're going to chase me.

At some point, can y'all review the movie?

For the people that...

But I'm going to say, tell me.

We don't review the movie.

Don't worry about your channel.

We can't do it, Joe.

Damn.

Tell me the premise.

All I know is some kids are missing a lot.

All right, so the premise is:

an entire third grade class gets up and walks out of their homes at 2:17.

2:17 a.m.

Exactly.

And all the race pams capture.

Don't hijack somebody's reef.

All but

hijacking the reef.

Like you did with me and Straw.

I'm not over it either.

All but one student.

Now, the movie doesn't focus on

that happens quick, and now the rest of the movie is PLVs.

It's dealing with the aftermath of the people.

And PLVs from everybody.

The PLVs from everybody involved.

So it starts with the teacher.

Then it goes to

the student.

The one student that was left behind,

the cop, like that.

So it's retelling the story, but through everybody else's eyes.

PLV.

Without spoiling it.

Oh, that shit was good.

I see what Jordan Pill was mad at.

In terms of scariness, I don't watch a lot of horror, but like Sinners was like, there's moments where it made your heart jump.

Was this more?

Oh, no, it's jump scares than this.

Wait, there's jump scares.

Oh, it's hella.

And it's good ones.

There's some gore.

There's some gore, but it's not something crazy.

It's not over the well.

The gory scenes are, yeah, but it's not like.

It's understandable.

It's not final destination where every five seconds it's just gore or scrawl.

It's not that.

Okay.

It was more funny to me than gory.

It was funny.

It was some funny parts.

Yeah.

Like intentionally funny or just so

both.

Yeah, a little little bit of both.

Okay.

Yeah.

So y'all would recommend seeing this?

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

If we were doing grades on this, y'all gave Center a grade.

I just got to ask you, what grade would you get this?

Oh, I love it.

Nine out of ten.

Nine out of ten.

I guess it's the same thing.

Nine out of ten.

Does anybody know why they were running like this?

Was that explained?

I don't know, but I bet not see nobody do that shit, though.

You make it hard for me.

Are we two hours in already?

Yeah.

What's wrong with you, girl?

What?

I didn't say anything.

I didn't say anything.

No.

Parks literally just.

What's wrong with the question?

I really don't know.

You just demonstrated.

We were closing out.

I thought it was free.

I just was asking a last question.

Sorry, ma'am.

Okay.

Did not explain to us why they ran with their hands down.

It was a really good movie.

It's scary, but it's not a horror movie.

That's not.

A lot of horror movies are not good movies.

This was both a good movie and scary movie.

Agree.

I agree.

And a story I ain't seen before.

Yeah, originality.

Yeah, originality.

I will say the Jordan Peele point, they played the trailer for the new Jordan Peel movie at the beginning.

Which one, him?

Run.

Run?

I might be on board with y'all, Jordan Peel hate.

With the football one.

The football wall.

Yes.

Dash looks

horrendously bad.

Well, Marlow Wayans.

Yes.

Yeah, no, I told y'all.

Dash looks horrendously bad.

I understand his point, and I'm happy he didn't get the movie.

He was offered this movie to Professor.

The word was he fired his team or whatever because he wanted this movie.

He wanted to direct this movie.

And he didn't get it.

He would have ruined this.

Exactly.

So thank you, whoever didn't do that.

I appreciate it.

Salute.

Salute.

Now I was was able to enjoy it.

Little tech update, AOL announced as of September 25th.

What?

After 34 years?

Mark, I know you're older, but.

But

they announced the dial-up service is officially ended on September 25th.

Of this year?

Of this year.

Of this year.

Who the fuck?

People still use it.

They do.

Dial-up.

Do they still send the floppy disks?

Exactly.

You hear that.

All that shit.

So just, that was the tech update.

Just letting y'all know.

So if you have a chance, it's time to change the service.

This UFC UFC story, though, is the thing that I actually care about.

I'm actually very, very interested in this.

They signed a $7.7 billion deal.

Holy shit.

$7.

Billion with a B with Paramount slash CBS.

So there's a lot of things happening in the landscape right now.

But this UFC deal is huge and it says a lot about how far the UFC has come as well.

You know what I mean?

So I just want to know what y'all thought about because I know Flip you're into WWE.

Yeah, WWE.

So I know that's another one of those monuments.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

We didn't talk about the ESPN mergers and acquisitions last week.

It all kind of falls in the same bucket.

My thing for the UFC shit,

I overheard that they were only worth $6 billion collectively.

So for them to give somebody else $7.7 billion, even though it's over a stretch of years, that means you got a whole bunch of promise.

Yes.

You know what I mean?

Like, you think it's going to be big.

And then the second thing was, we talked about this briefly.

The kid I think it's Larry Ellison's son owns a company a small company called Skydance and they bought it's not small it was small but they bought showtime and Paramount Jesus and this is yo my dad's just one of the richest niggas on the planet so yeah I'm gonna just if it feels like we're getting to a moment yeah let me hold that for something

it feels like we're getting to a moment where there's only gonna be two channels

what'd you say

If it just feels like we're getting to a moment where it's not...

Everybody's going to just be getting bought out by the connection.

Yeah,

it's like the old radio days where you used used to be having a million stations and it gets whittled down or whatever.

That scares me a little bit.

I've seen the scene with the ESPN and Fox are both launching sports apps and they're going to do a package deal for them.

So to that point,

getting much smaller.

There was a big conversation at the NABJ this year.

National.

Listen, $7 billion is $7 billion, no matter how you slice it.

Word is ball.

It's a lot of money.

The UFC is already huge, but

you got to overpay just for the bidding war that exists because you know what time it is what i was most shocked by is them saying that this is the end of pay-per-views and everybody who has paramount can watch the app can watch that part is interesting to me that is interesting i'm skeptical of that you pay seven billion and you relying on i have paramount and have for a while it don't it don't seem like it's a lot of us

but that would have to be wrong yeah that has to be wrong especially once they brought showtime man like i catch i find myself going to paramount paramount apple them the two those are the two those are the two now Yeah.

Yeah.

For me.

That's what I do too.

I don't really go to the two.

Let's not get crazy.

There's a few stories.

I mean, but Paramount is climbing the ring.

That's why I live in the middle of

programming that people are like, you know, really tuned in.

Like the whole Taylor Sheridan narrative

shows are all over Paramount.

That's for sure.

So it's growing.

And just through acquisition, it's just going to keep on growing.

I watch Paramount way more than I watch HBO, and I never thought I would say that.

I don't remember the last time I cut HBO on anymore.

And for a a minute, they was them.

Yeah, I don't think I watched anything on them.

Listen, I brought a few, it was months ago where I said, Hey, has Apple taken the HBO Max Thunder from them?

Yes, yes.

And I think that part is like, Boy, that smoke, that shit is

fire.

I still hold it.

I couldn't get into the first episode.

I got to watch it at a different time.

What?

Smoke.

Smoke.

Dog, these last two episodes of smoke.

Three, six was fire, too.

Granted.

Yeah.

For me, seven and eight,

that was, that was, they are killing this shit.

Smoke is fire.

I don't want to, nothing I can say about it because I'd spoil it, but smoke is fire.

The finale is this week.

Both of the arsons are so good at acting.

Now, the one complaint I do hear people have about smoke is that

Homeboy's character turned for them too fast.

Okay.

My response to that is his character turned in episode two.

Maybe even one.

He was a little.

If we're talking about the dude, Aggie,

he ain't seemed like he was on an up and up in one.

I only watched episode one.

I ain't finish it because it kind of,

right?

And I had to be in a different space to watch it.

But

I

had assumptions that he was on bullshit from day one.

Yeah,

he was sketchy from the go.

Yeah, when he was finding the shit in the fire showing it to shorty i'm like yo dang yeah where smoke wins or these episodes that i'm highlighting they not scared to give us the face-off that we've been waiting for in episode seven that was the interrogation room scene and in episode eight that was the diner scene between yeah

the smolette girl and and him

chef's kiss can't wait for the finale congrats and it seems like they're expecting a second season because it says series or season finale.

They're getting a second season.

Yeah.

I've said that before and been wrong.

I'm about to say.

I've said that before and been wrong.

I have gotten that wrong on some shows that I thought were amazing.

It was a show, what's the game?

You just played Doogie Hauser?

Neil Pact.

Neil Packard.

He had a show called Uncoupled on Showtime.

Yeah.

That was amazing, and Critically Acclaimed didn't get a second one.

And it should have.

Pizza Ray's rap shit, I thought was dope.

I thought that show got better and better, and they didn't bring it.

Well, they just took off a whole bunch of black shows.

Yeah, it's just like the money.

Sometimes I worry about the money, and when they shrink

the number of platforms, I worry that if something is really good and the wrong executive or doesn't see it that way.

Or you plan the numbers based on the demographics, then it's going to almost have an unfair

advantage for the white shows.

Exactly.

You know what I'm saying?

And I don't want everything to live on Tubi.

And I like Tubi and I like what they're doing, but I want there to be other platforms.

You have Tubi?

Yeah, I have everything.

Didn't that nigga support that piece of that shit?

What?

Don't worry about it.

I have.

It's a callback.

It's well done.

I have I have every, I buy all the platforms because I don't ever want to miss out on it.

Speaking of removing black shit, I want to ask y'all, when's the last time any of y'all been in Target?

I'm in Target all the time.

I've been in there about

four to five times in the last two months.

Like, did we win?

I haven't been in there in a long long time.

It's kind of an ongoing thing.

It's looking like we won.

It's looking like we won.

I haven't been in there.

I've been.

I know we don't highlight it because no way to ever tell, because they won't ever tell us.

No, they've told.

It looks like we won.

What does the winning look like?

Just that they brought them to the shop.

Target has been empty.

Oh,

I ain't seen a soul.

Oh, you know what?

The line's been short.

The self-checkout has been short.

Regular registers, they used to, it'd be like two open now.

Self-checkout don't be that.

Yeah, you're not.

Oh, we won.

You're absolutely right.

Jesus Christ.

God damn.

This shit is dropping.

No, they shouldn't get their ass whooped.

Yeah.

He's looking at the stock.

They've been getting their ass whooped all year.

$106,

minus $1.16.

This went from, oh, this is six months ago.

It was at $162 down to $0.067, somewhere around there.

Yeah, we won.

Oh, yeah.

We won.

So, you know, the next phase, they're going to be doing shit to bring us back.

Oh, they've already started.

Yeah.

I mean, big picture.

I wouldn't be surprised run DMC and crazy legs being working.

Well, they should just do what they fucking promised to do.

But that's just what they should do.

Exactly.

Or they could do what Red Lobster did.

Put some seafood boils up in that piece.

I mean,

with a young black CEO.

Yeah, come on now.

Look at us winning against Target.

That's right.

That's right.

I'm happy to win.

I ain't been in there a lot.

I ain't want to go back to Paramount.

I'm just looking at something here because

they got the $7.7 billion deal with UFC.

And then last month, they just did a $1.5 billion deal with South Park to take them off of HBO.

Mm-hmm.

No, what South Park did is Monumental.

We never talked about it.

What South Park did,

them boys.

Bro, 50 episodes, 10 a season.

And the bidding award that they created, and what companies were vying to do to get that one show and what they got paid for one show.

One show.

It goes to my, listen, many years ago, I said, you want to be the office instead of the thousand shows.

Who cares cares about the thousand?

The office is keeping the lights on at fucking Netflix.

Friends is keeping the lights on.

South Park is keeping the lights on.

All of them other shows go have a blast.

They just started season 27.

That's crazy.

Yeah.

Nobody ages.

We need to go write some cartoons.

Yeah.

Nobody's going to age.

Nigga, The Simpsons was on since the 80s.

Yeah.

So nobody can.

It's some money.

Cheat code.

Something else is going on.

Cheat code.

You ain't got to pay no actors.

What else is important?

What else is important that needs our attention?

We have Nikki and Des

peace up.

Yes.

They squashed it.

Fuck it.

I'll hit the round of applause.

Des Bryant.

Des Bryant.

Oh, yeah.

Des Bryant.

Okay.

Yes.

Not Desiree.

Yeah.

Nikki and Des Bryant tweeted each other.

They made up.

I don't give a fuck.

But I'm telling y'all.

I respected it.

Also, this weekend, this weekend, we've been talking about the SeaWorld performances.

This weekend genuine is at SeaWorld look at Mel right a pack a bag

you kind of dress like on some SeaWorld shit

what you were weird to the SeaWorld concert

it is it's comfy but I don't know if I'd be running to see genuine perform no shade just you know why

not for any other reason other than he just he's sorry not high on the list like there's other people that I would run to SeaWorld to see like who Trina October

New edition?

Did y'all see the videos going around of the fans requesting refunds at the Jing Yuan show?

Why?

I did not see that.

And it wasn't because of dancing.

It wasn't because of.

Falling off a stage.

What was it?

Yo, sometimes you could tell when, all right, you could just chill out now.

You good.

Use a TV track?

Yeah, something.

Give some accompaniment.

It was bad.

It was bad?

It was bad.

Shout out to J-Yuan.

It was bad, though.

That's disappointing.

It was bad.

I was watching Sean Stockman.

You know, Sean Stockman has his own platform.

He's been killing on the acoustic lately.

He's growing his guitars, but he was singing with Bobby Brown.

And

Bobby let Sean accompany him and pick up some of the tougher notes.

Bobby stayed in his range, and he didn't try to do too much.

And I actually think that's the secret to some longevity.

When I watch some of these singers, they go on stage and they try to sing like it's still 94.

Oh, you got to change the key.

Yes.

You got to change that key.

Yeah, that's the key.

That's yeah.

You got to change the key.

You're not hitting them high notes anymore, Playboy.

Right.

And when you try to do that and it don't, it sounds crazy and people want their money back.

Yeah, we saw Bob Jovi probably, it's probably close to 10 years ago now.

He had to change all the keys.

He wasn't doing all that shrilling shit.

Yeah, you kidding.

He's 70 years old or whatever he is.

I spoke to Sean Stockman yesterday.

He's doing really good.

And I just want to shout his part out.

I love his pod.

He's great.

I love his podcast.

I just want to go out.

He's a good person out.

Yeah, really talented guy.

Him and Bobby, I learned so much from that.

Him and Bobby Brown interview.

That nigga Bobby Brown was going out there with no drawers on to get rid of Albie Shore off the score.

When he was doing the Dwerk shit, I think Bobby Brown might be the inventor of the Dwerk.

And in drop-down dwerk.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

He dropped down, hit you with them four punks.

What's the drop-down dwerk?

He dropped all the shots.

He dropped down and dwerk.

I was trying to get Ish to demonstrate.

If Ish did that, it would be his funeral

in two weeks.

Yeah, so shout out to Sean Stockman.

What else?

What else?

What else?

What else is important, but not that important?

Nobody wants to talk about the Tyler flop, right?

And why we think that may be.

If I do it, I'm going to look like a hater.

The same with our love bombing topic.

So help.

She put out EP, right?

Tyler put out an EP.

I wasn't going to say nothing about it, but fuck it.

Tyler put out an EP and it sold 4,000 copies.

Somebody brought to my attention.

They think a song on there is a disrecord to me, me, Mr.

Media.

Oh, shit.

I bought that EP and

came in here and bigged it up.

You did.

Let me see if I can play Mr.

Media really.

I didn't see anything about it, really.

No promo.

I did see it in my mind.

I saw that it dropped.

Yeah.

But that was it.

Outside of you playing the record.

It's a strange choice to drop a

EP.

And you had a smash.

Smash.

I know, but maybe now somebody could tell the truth about Tyler.

Shut up.

I don't need to.

Maybe now somebody could tell the truth.

And what would the truth be?

Read the room.

The truth would be read the room.

And that whole, I'm from South Africa and we use colored over there had long-lasting ramifications.

Yes, that does.

Back to being in the people business.

Back to my point about about Ari and being in the people business.

Cool that that's what happens over there.

But as a young artist in America,

you should read the room.

For the people that aren't in music, why this is a thing is you don't go from having a smash like water to selling 4,000 of an EP.

That's odd.

That's odd.

That's odd.

It's not supposed to happen like that.

It's saying something.

If you're wondering why this is a topic.

So Reading the Room would be catering to a certain demographic.

reading the room, because what if people want to just stand on their own?

I stand on my own beliefs, I stand on who I am, I stand on what I believe in, and I'm what the world accepts me for that.

Are you willing to take what comes with it?

Yeah, to take what comes with it.

A lot, okay, yeah.

Then you take what comes with it.

There's people that's

like,'What's 44,000 copies?

And I don't think that's what her or her team wanted.

But, Tyler, I'm gonna defend Tyler.

Uh,

Tyler's young.

Yeah.

She she seems, she makes good music.

She does.

She does does make good music.

And I think that reading the room incorrectly can be fixed and addressed.

So there's a future for Tyla in America as an Afro-Beats act or whatever she's trying to do.

For Tyler's team, good for y'all.

Tyler, we not, no, she'll be fine.

But Tyler's team, the people that be behind her in the interviews, feeding her the stupid shit to say in America, yeah, no, you totally dropped the ball.

I totally dropped the ball.

Let me see something here.

Let me see.

I don't know if they knew that that was what was going to happen, though, when she

had that.

That's called dropping the ball.

You got you, that's called dropping the ball.

You do the research, you know, man.

You know that.

Yeah, I guess.

You know, I guess.

You don't believe so?

Completely flopping with

Tyler's EP completely flopping with only hitting like 4,000 sales, I think, this week, should be the biggest lesson that you can ever learn if if you are someone who is trying to grow a brand or a business in any capacity.

I agree.

Okay, she is a great example of what happens when you intentionally build up an audience because you think it's profitable, right?

Like she has a huge or had a huge black American audience within the genres that she creates music.

I mean, she had one of like water was like one of the biggest songs.

I think what was that last year?

Maybe two years ago.

About dropping her EP and it completely flopping

after

she made comments and doubled down on that was a mistake what the black American community felt as disrespectful but when we said that then nobody said nothing for audience the worst thing that you can do as a brand is to alienate your audience is to switch up after you have already profited off of them and i think that's one of the main things or the main reasons why black americans chose to just stop consuming tyla is because of some of those comments that she made and this is a mistake that a lot of brands and influencers make all the time look at hubb's life and the backlash that he got when he switched up his content

other influencers recently that have built up a brand built up an audience made a ton of money you get the point i don't know that influencer that she mentioned though

yeah i don't disagree i mean i i don't i don't know if it's that dumb but once switched up your content, I don't disagree with her points.

I think she's absolutely right.

I don't know that I would blame the 4,000 strictly on that.

That's what I think.

I think that

as music people, we didn't even know it was dropping.

I was going to say, they did a shitty job in marketing, though.

Yeah, hey, we ain't just winning with Target, nigga.

I'm going to keep telling y'all.

I don't want to say it because Flip going to say I'm on some FBA shit.

I'm not.

No, I'm not going to say you're going to say,

it ain't just Target.

It ain't just Target.

But there's a lot of people right now in media coming out saying that,

saying what you're saying.

I think Tyler will be all right because she's a talented woman.

So I think she'll be fine.

But

this should be a lesson.

I just want us to have more grace, though, for people, too.

You know,

I'm thinking about artists like Kanye.

I'm thinking about, I'm just thinking about how many artists say the wildest shit, far more disrespectful to our communities.

But the problem that we let them go if they have enough slaps.

But if you, the problem for me comes with the double down.

Like, you can say something, and then once you're you're educated that, yo, that was kind of fucked up what you said, da-da-da-da.

Which she was, your response to that

is where people are going to say, all right, now I'm not fucking with you.

That's fair.

That's fair.

Like, if you respond to that the right way, you think everything's cool.

It can turn.

It can turn for you.

It can work out.

Okay.

But when you double down with it, all right, that's what you want.

Cool.

Now we off you.

And now you got to live with whatever.

You could stand in your shit.

And other important slash unimportant news, are y'all keeping up with the beef between Finesse Two Times and his mom?

No, I am not.

Finesse Two Times' mom is saying you made all these millions of dollars and didn't turn around, not wants to look back and help any family member with anything.

And you're spending about $4 million on all them niggas that you run around with and the chains and yada yada yada.

Spend 4 million motherfucking dollars.

Wait, wait, wait, hold on.

Stop it.

You made that shit sound far more dignified and articulate than we

set us up.

I'm telling you what, mama.

Hey, she ain't, hold on, she ain't wrong.

4 million motherfuckers.

You spent 4 million motherfucking dollars on.

That's Parker Watcher, Mom.

That's what you spent your money on.

Jewelry.

You ain't spent it on family.

You just spent it on family.

And when a motherfucker did get some, guess what?

They gotta do something for it.

It ain't

I love family.

Keep your money.

Oh, man.

On another note, she looks very young.

We had an argument, but not argument.

We had a disagreement about this a while back when I was saying that as a parent,

the parent deserves some of that money.

And y'all looked at me like I was crazy.

I still feel that way.

Explain it to me because I don't remember the conversation.

It's just, if I'm a child star, or forget a child star, if I'm a star and I make a lot of money, I can spend it any way I want.

Correct.

But if I have a good relationship with my parents, forget third cousins and all that shit.

I'm not saying everybody deserves a piece.

But to me, you know, if I'm, to her point, if I'm making millions, some of the millions got to go to mom or dad.

What if I don't have that relationship with them?

That's different.

And I don't know their situation.

I'm not speaking to their relationship.

I don't know their relationship.

But what I'm saying is I hear a lot of people say it's my money.

I earned it so I could do what I want with it.

I'm saying.

That's true.

And I'm saying I don't always, I don't necessarily feel that way.

Legally, I do, but in terms of like ethically, in terms of how we're cut, I just, I can't imagine making that much dough and not breaking down the family.

Oh, okay.

Where does that stop?

No, I just got a vivid imagination.

I wouldn't do that.

Stop doing that, buddy.

I can tell you not like thinking about it offensively.

I can't imagine it.

If I did,

if I imagine that, that's true.

There we go.

I think maybe that's why I'm so frustrated.

This nigga's crazy.

Yeah, but I mean, please, you asked, like, when does it stop?

When does it stop one?

And also, I just have an issue with the deserve part.

Like, that almost sounds like you owe him.

Well, you wouldn't be here if it wasn't for her.

This nigga freeze you.

Your mom raised you and your brother.

It wouldn't be here

if it wasn't for her.

But I would do it not because I owe it to you.

I'm blessed to be able to do it.

I want to do it.

It's not out of your obligation.

But you don't look your mom.

That's my point.

But Ice, I'm just going on that word.

It's just out of obligation.

So, your mom doesn't deserve those things.

For me, I feel like, yes.

I don't owe her, though.

I don't owe her.

Ice don't come come from a broken home either, though.

Wait, what's a broken home?

I don't know.

I don't come from no broken home, nigga.

Watch your fucking mouth.

You said the word, nigga.

I don't know what it is, though.

He's raised by one parent.

How you know he don't come from one if you don't know?

That's my question.

Because he don't come from one.

He was raised by one parent.

What is a broken home?

A broken home is in somebody's missing, shit is fucked up.

Y'all eating Cheez-Its for dinner.

Cheese-its.

I don't say cheese-it's broken.

That's not what somebody's missing, me.

Huh?

A parent is missing.

Yes, parents.

Like what on a LBI's most wanted list?

What?

Did you hear what Mel said?

I'm just trying to.

You said missing.

Like, there's different versions of missing.

I don't chime in no more.

I was going to say we're broken.

We don't chime in ever.

Not in the home.

Anyway, I'm just talking to you at NABJ.

Listen.

I know.

He responded via a rap from a hotel room.

A cappella, but he was doing the beat on the dresser.

He killed it.

I didn't know that.

That That was to his mom?

Yes.

Please play it.

He was singing and rapping, right?

That was the hardest shit I've ever heard.

Shit was flying.

It's on my timeline, I think.

Yeah.

This guy's talented.

This was my mom.

Chorus fire.

Five years, relatives, family problems.

Now I feel like Eminem.

This song, bitch, don't mental problem.

Now I'm popping surge wheel.

Bipolar, schizophrenic, paranoid.

Yeah.

You know, that means

everything.

KK, what that means?

Fuck niggas.

From juvenile to the county to the pen, all the way to Mason.

PSI, Ain't Rat, check the paper, no cooperation.

United States versus Ricky Hampton.

Now I ain't panicking.

In Little Rock, I fought the U.S.

Marshal.

Caught me with the cannon.

But I'm back though, relaxed though.

The principal niggas, I'm just being cocky.

Cause I live with a rap about.

I really got the wounds on my body.

Stand down, you get me.

I was shitting tears.

What were you?

When the fed lawyer told me I was facing 10 years, huh?

Now the billet prosecutor shines on me, labeled me, I'm outlawed.

Now I fuck a bitch and pay the bitch and kick her out.

Like she's a part of.

Protection they

All right,

well, it sounds like there's a little bit of dysfunction there.

You can't spit better than that.

I don't know what to tell you.

I don't know what to tell you.

My only problem with what mom said is, and when you do give us money, you or the family money,

you want people to work.

I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

I don't think I swear to say that.

I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

It's seeming like in this particular situation.

I can't speak to their family shit because everything he said in that rap made me be like, yeah, it's like a bad thing.

Fuck you, right?

Yeah, I'm with him.

I'm with him.

Right.

I love you, mom.

I don't mean it like a button.

I get what he said.

Again, I don't know the story.

But in general, like to me, you shouldn't have to earn it.

Earning it for your parents is they raised you, they protected you, they gave you shit, they created space for you.

But he's addressing that.

Again, I'm not speaking to his lack of protection.

I'm saying in this case, I'm with him.

If what he's saying is true, I'm with him 100%.

And the mom didn't say, when you give me money, you want me to work for it.

She said, and when you do give the family members money.

I see what you're saying.

So she's kind of speaking.

That's the rest of the family.

It's a very big difference.

It's a huge difference.

And I was

like, I'm going to have to go up.

My mother,

if I had, like, oh, good question.

Younger siblings and all that other shit, then I would, of course, take care of them.

And they wouldn't have to work.

That's what they're saying.

Without me.

Yeah.

But your uncles, your aunts, and all them other motherfuckers, like, yo, dog, if you want me to just be giving you money, no, you have to auntie Pearl, you got to do some yard work.

Oh, we know.

You care if you 70.

You have to do something.

Like, I'm not going to just keep giving you fish.

Once you're up, they start looking at you like a lake.

Is that looking at you?

You catch flashbacks.

For everybody.

That's true.

I don't have a flashback.

For everybody.

Where's that line?

Same.

If it's not.

Y'all are taking care of grandparents, older people, immediate family.

That's the line.

But extended

and people who are fucked up.

I just sent somebody money

like last week.

Cool, but that's sending them money is

taking care of them and sending them money.

Oh, you mean like on a regular?

Like I'm paying your rent every month.

Yes.

Yeah, I'm not doing that.

There's people that look at you like you will always be the saving grace.

You will always be the last resort.

Always.

And then you become the second to last resort.

And then you become the first resort.

Just so the audience has a clear understanding, when is the last time each of you gave your mother some money?

Today.

My mother?

Today.

Your real mother?

Today.

Not one of them girls' moms.

I don't know what you're talking about.

What the fuck is that?

What are you talking about?

Your girl mom, be my mom.

You know, I got something.

I got it.

Everybody ain't gonna find it, Breeze.

She ain't one of them.

I don't know.

I got some.

I want some groceries.

I go to the store.

I knew you ain't had no more tomatoes.

I knew you had no more tomatoes.

Hey, yo, make that meatloaf you used to make for me, girl.

I want a girl meeting.

Freeze.

Cash money or bought or something.

I mean, what's the difference?

No, it's not.

I haven't given her cash in her hand.

Anything, dog.

Oh, no, just this weekend.

Just this weekend?

Yeah, just this weekend.

When you was out with Parks at last lap?

No, that was last weekend.

At last lap, you probably cash at Mom.

No, no, no.

How about you, Mark?

I was with Mom.

It's been a few years.

It's been a few years.

Your mark is the greatest.

It's been a few years.

I don't give her cash, obviously.

Yeah.

But she can't see, so she don't even remember.

All singles.

No, it.

You said all singles.

I put her in the facility she's in.

Me and my brother did.

And that was like six figures.

So we like split it, put her in there.

Did she know it was y'all?

Yeah, she was.

Don't pay that every month?

Some you pay like a lot up front and a little bit every month.

Others you pay a little bit up front and a lot every month.

We did the first kind.

So we she pays for it out of her retirement, the little bit, but we paid the big amount.

Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait, whoa, wait.

Whoa.

Y'all making moms pay for her?

Spark?

Out of her.

Yes.

Oh, come on.

Out of it.

What should she do with it?

Oh,

it's going to take me an army.

She will have it.

Yeah, let her talk.

That's what I'm going to make one of them.

Spark?

I really don't remember.

I mean, gifts, obviously, birthdays, holidays,

but just slide some cash.

I don't remember.

I never really don't remember this.

My mom is up.

My mom is out.

I don't find niggas.

Don't give a fuck.

My mom, look up.

My mom's father's still living.

Yeah.

And also, she wouldn't need it.

I give her things to donate to the causes that she wants to donate to, and that's what she would do with the money anyway.

What do Park's dad being alive have to do with him giving his mom some money?

Outside of he's saying, outside of occasions, holidays, etc., etc.,

his mom, I'm assuming, don't need it.

She don't.

He's going to take it.

Take me an army.

Take me an army.

Yo, that boss is hard.

He's on the floor.

All right, my bad.

Yeah, that's funny.

Yo, what's wrong?

What's wrong with you?

All right, no, cool, cool.

That's funny.

My mom did this Chris Brown show, man.

I'm excited about this Chris Brown show.

I can't wait.

You give me my money.

Are y'all all going?

All I hear about the points.

Right.

All I hear is MX points.

I didn't know you actually give cash.

My mom gives it all.

Really?

The points, the cash, the cash apps, the Zell.

Did she expect it?

The sunglasses all expected.

My mom comes in my house.

All right, I'm taking shit out of here today.

What do you have?

Yo, let me see your

bags.

That's what she's all about.

That's my mom.

He's not.

My mama like this.

Anything I got, she got.

Anything she got, I got.

So it's kind of understood.

But now that I'm up, it's like different.

It's level.

So she's come in.

I don't need nothing you got.

No, I don't need nothing you got.

Now she's taking your shit.

Yo, this is for my people.

so word yeah she my mom take my clothes no she adamant

hoodies no she like yo dog i need a hoodie for my trainer i need two hoodies for me my boyfriend i'm like

yeah so

all right

you just gotta do it you can't say no you can't yo she be serious yeah she be deadass yeah she's serious

yeah your mother caught me fat

when

she caught me two weeks ago i was shocked because i haven't she usually texts me.

My mom need to be arrested.

Look, she usually texts me.

So I saw her name.

I'm like, oh, shit, what's up, Ms.

Faye?

What you doing?

Come to the gym with me.

Well, it's because you know, you know, I know, I know, I'm a trainer.

I know.

I know.

I'm playing for it.

But that newer couch.

What?

What about it?

Like, look at it.

What about it, though?

What about it?

It's gonna take me.

Oh, man.

It's gonna take me like that.

I love this nigga.

He's waiting.

Look at my man.

Look at my man.

You don't like that shit.

I love that scout.

He's waiting.

Look at it.

He talking about you, nigga, being fat like me, nigga.

He said you fat.

I'm not fat like that.

You lost mad weight and gained it back, nigga.

However, you did.

And you're going to lose it again, nigga.

What size is this game?

That white beater don't help, boy.

He's trying to wear a white beater to hold out his fat.

That's what you do?

I do.

You needed more beaters.

Fucking talk.

That ain't working.

I can't dress so I shut up.

All right, we're up in this piece.

Amani seemed to have a lot to say about my Air Japans and my whole Japanese feng shui that I got going on.

It's culturally inappropriate.

Y'all look culturally inappropriate, and y'all push a picture, nigga.

Fuck y'all.

You just hate him because you wasn't there.

That's all picture.

Came from outside the soul house and couldn't get in.

That's outside the soul house.

Anyway, shout out to the clips.

And fuck you, Amani.

What's up?

What's up, look nice?

I said it's just.

Stand up up real quick.

Stand up real quick, nigga.

Yeah.

Hold on.

Sit up.

Nigga, what is the food?

Oh, shit.

Pause.

You're a wild boy, son.

Nah, nah, give him one.

Just one time.

Come on, Mr.

Johagi.

That's crazy.

Everybody, what's gumbo?

Give him a kick.

Give him a kick.

Oh, man.

This nigga is nuts.

First of all,

I want to remind the room that I won the best dress award up here.

Salute to you.

Yeah, okay.

I mean, Marcus bothered them off.

Ish won the sleeper award.

They're still trying to figure out something to give you in the flip.

Flip.

You know what I mean?

See, this is why you make us stop.

I won the best dress award.

Now, fair point, this does look ridiculous to to some people, but you got to be brave enough to wear it.

You got to be comfortable in what you wear.

That's fashion.

Got it.

That's fashion.

Like, all them shirts you wear that's too small, but you comfortable.

That's fashion.

That's fashion.

Can't say nothing about nobody's fashion.

I don't wear too small shirts no more.

That's your fucking mouth.

Queen flip.

Queen's flip.

I don't wear it.

You my man.

You my man.

Nigga, that's not smart.

I seen your belly earlier.

What?

See?

Watch yourself.

Because I said, it's not too small.

Is it too small for me, boss?

Thank you.

It's better than what you're normally doing.

True.

Okay.

I'll do better.

I'll do better.

I'll do better.

Is you laughing, nigga?

You wearing a 4X to hide your stomach, nigga.

Watch your fucking bag.

I'm wearing a 4X.

You need a 4X.

Says who?

I can't believe it.

Stand up, yeah.

Stand up, dude.

Stand up.

Nah, it's clothes.

That's too much.

Them clothes.

The sweats is a seven.

His shorts is a seven inch.

All of it is too big.

You guys, we're doing the show.

We're doing the show.

That's about ego.

My shirt too big today.

Your shirt too small every day.

Nigga, your shorts be small, nigga.

Watch your mouth, nigga.

Put them shorts ass nigga.

Sorry.

Off of our

finesse two times conversation.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

I do have a fat joke clip that I want to play.

I wrote these.

I'm all out of fading.

I'm all out of taking every relationship I ever had, signing you, and introducing you to all my important people, and then paying for your videos, buying your clothes, putting you in the studio, helping you make the hits, and then as soon as you pop, you tell me I ain't shit.

I'm not doing that no more.

I'm firm on it.

In fact, I heard

I went to this thing, Pretty Lou, be doing this.

Pretty Lou, what's good, boy?

We love you.

Pretty Lou.

Normally, I would have signed him in one second.

This guy was so nice, lyrical, fluidity.

Every word he said came crystal clear.

Chris said, yo, Joe, this guy's incredible.

I said, yeah, but he's going to tell me suck is dead.

And I've been burnt too many times.

Pause.

Next question.

Hey, which is my question for my distinguished panel here.

Shout out to Joe and Jada.

I love this clip because it's absolutely 100% true.

Can y'all tell me about a time that you've been burnt investing in somebody?

Yes.

Yes.

A lot of people.

All right, let's listen to my answer talk.

What'd you say?

Oh,

shit, y'all.

Are you fucking true?

Yo, that was

not true.

And it's not true.

And it's not true.

I caught that little lady.

No, go ahead, Blue.

There's a lot of people that you believe in, you may see talent in, and they just feel like they're bigger than the program.

And they'll go out there and disrespect you.

Sometimes when you say no,

they don't look at what you've done for them leading up to the no.

And a lot of times you're saying no now because it's a wise business decision.

And you realize that I've done this, I invested this much, and didn't come back.

You know what I mean?

And a lot of people don't know how to just...

get with the program and restrict and renegotiate or restructure or help you restructure it so it could work for all parties.

So yeah, there's been a couple of times I've been burned.

On the internet, niggas talk crazy.

Lot of flipped the network niggas talk crazy, and that's why I named them independent contractors now.

Mel, what about you?

Uh,

yeah, I've just, it's just manifested in like some real jealousy and nastiness.

Um, and yeah, that's why you had to go to the intern route.

I'm sorry.

You're so

killed me.

I'll take it back.

That was a fucking headache, too.

She's a drink.

Oh, dance.

Yes, that shit was a fucking headache.

Just like the.

You got rid of the intern?

I didn't get rid of anybody, and nobody was the fucking intern.

But like the label that was given to whomever, they were very upset by it and had nothing to do with fucking me.

And they was upset at you.

Yes.

Yes, they were upset with me.

But I have experienced, like, you know, just.

Did we get rid of them?

I think.

No, seriously.

No, we were not joking around.

There is no getting rid of anybody at this point.

Distance ourselves.

We created that space.

Yeah, man.

You created boundaries, big male.

My problem is that I have always tried to create friendship slash business relationships.

And a lot of

people.

No.

No, in actuality, it's the opposite.

No, you use it.

It's the opposite.

I get used.

I get used.

And then they start believing that their proximity to my notoriety, visibility, and fame equals theirs.

That shit is fucking insidious.

The shit that I've seen people do and say and just as she's pissed over shit.

And they still ain't starting no healthcare pod for women too.

No, the fuck they didn't.

They don't know what the fuck they're doing.

Talk about it.

Talk about it.

Big mouth.

Yeah.

So anyways, those are my experiences.

Newark Couch, you guys, Mark, Parks, anybody want to speak to this?

Yeah,

it's happened to me a lot of time with like mentoring people and trying to create opportunities for people.

So it was less financial investment, more like time investment.

I mean, like, I can think of one situation where I invested a lot of time and energy into mentoring somebody, helping them become writers.

And I even put them on a project where someone asked me to write something.

I said, well, look, I'm going to bring on these other two guys.

I didn't quite have the time, but it was a really prestigious honor.

And for them, it was an opportunity to get put on something they wouldn't otherwise get put on.

And I was dealing with some stuff.

Long story short,

at the end of the day, they took my name off of it.

What?

And it only kept theirs.

And they told me, well,

you were hard to reach, so we felt like it was the right decision.

I was like, it wasn't your decision to make.

And we haven't spoken really, maybe once since.

It's been about maybe 15 years.

And

you don't do none of this beat.

So, you know, I've just learned that you can't always invest.

You can't always invest in people the way you want to.

And you can't expect them.

The reward has to be the effort.

I can't assume that people are going to act right.

I just have to.

It almost made me not want to mentor people anymore.

Same.

Damn.

Same.

Damn.

Speaking of not investing in people,

or speaking of investing in people that you shouldn't have invested in, Mark, not too long ago, you brought up a gentleman, I think this is the same person, Philly Mann, who was awarded $4 million after being wrongfully jailed for 24 years for murder, is back in prison for killing a man over his $1,200 drug debt.

Did you see that story?

Yes.

Is that the same thing?

He talks to that.

Yeah, that was just a story.

Yeah, there was two different stories.

Yeah, not the guy surge, but this one.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It was rough.

I got it.

But I guess my angle in this story is: when can we have a talk about the Innocence Project?

what okay what what are you guys looking for each other like that say more Joe's crazy

everybody else mute up please you don't want to be part of this location go

I'm just saying when can we have a more detailed talk about how they pick how they pick who's innocent and who's not

that's all I'm saying

I was staying with them.

They picked the right people.

The problem is that jail, prisons are criminogenic, meaning that they make you more likely to commit crime when you're in there.

So sometimes you could be innocent, but if you spend three decades in prison, four decades in prison, you still might come out with some psychological issues.

You might be more likely to use violence against somebody than you were before you went in.

So just because somebody comes out and commits a crime, doesn't mean they weren't innocent.

And a lot of times the innocence projects goes based off of like DNA that was not tested or whatever the case is.

They're pretty innocent.

99%, yeah.

Because there's a lot of cases.

I had a guy maybe like three weeks ago hit me up.

My brother, a lot of times when I'm talking to my brother in prison, like people want to speak to me.

So they always be like, if he's cool with them, he'll hand him the phone.

And then they end up sending me like case files.

And I mean, this one dude, like, his shit was, to me, the evidence was bad.

He wanted DNA evidence.

He fought for three decades to get DNA evidence.

And then when it went to test it,

the district attorney's office said they lost the file.

They lost the case.

So these things happen all the time.

And he got transferred out of the prison like two weeks ago.

So I have to find out where he is.

But the point is, like, a lot of times these guys be innocent.

But even then, the Innocence Project wouldn't take it.

Not because they're bad, but because they're so overrun that they, honestly, I feel like if the Innocence Project took your case, you probably are innocent.

Yeah.

To me, it's how many people are innocent that don't get access to the Innocence Project.

Yeah.

So.

Well, there you have it.

Um L helped to really clear that up for me.

I'm glad.

I have a totally different understanding than I did before about the Innocence Project and how they choose people innocent.

There's a dog.

The jail criminalistics things.

What'd you say?

The jail be doing?

Criminogenics.

Criminogenics things.

Whatever.

You niggas.

Yo, Mel and Mark need a PBS special.

These two.

Y'all agree with what he said?

I butt.

Stop this.

I checked out.

I stepped on his joke.

Yeah, yeah.

I get what he's going for.

I'm cool.

I'm cool.

Mark want to fucking educate me.

I'll try to be funny.

I don't give a fuck.

He's the thing I was trying to educate people.

What else is important, unimportant?

What else needs our attention?

Actually, I want to highlight something you just said.

When can we have a talk about when we press the button on our phone to speak to one person that's in jail and they pass the phone around to the jail?

Can we talk about that?

That never happened to me.

That's never happened to me either.

I ain't made comfortable.

I don't like that when it happens.

Okay.

I don't like it.

I don't want to speak to you.

I don't want to talk to you.

No, I don't want to speak to

you called me.

I pressed the call to speak to you, nigga.

And on top of that, nine times out of ten, you call me while I'm already in traffic, moving around.

I don't want to speak to a thousand niggas on the phone, my nigga.

What do you need?

What's going on?

I don't want to meet nobody.

But you, Queen's Finance.

I don't want to meet anyone new.

That's my problem, too.

When it's your girl, Uncle.

Like,

oh, shit.

Yeah, but

he's been hearing about me for five, six years or whatever.

I get on the phone.

Yeah, yeah, but nigga, that nigga had the whole jail behind him.

And this is when the Prize Picks commercial must have been airing in the jail.

I don't know if Patreon got billboard slots in the jail.

Them niggas ask questions about the business.

And what can you do?

You can't say nothing, right?

You just got to kind of sit there.

Don't pick up the motherfuckers.

Yeah.

Jail, motherfuckers, boy.

Anyway, hold your head if you're going.

Free to wave.

Free to wave.

And support the innocence project, no matter how many things go wrong

That's the way I watched about nine docs that started or ended with the Innocent Project Innocence Project investigated the case They still got Steve

This nigga went on a streak

or some shit Had you just left

Then at the end Innocence Project is unavailable for a comment we reach nigga I beg get them niggas out that building.

Hey, come here.

Man,

get your ass over here.

Something is.

Anyway, they got that guy's.

I'm Stephen Avery.

What's wrong with you, man?

Anyway, what else needs our attention?

What is important?

What is unimportant?

You guys wrote some Trump shit up there.

I don't know who wrote that, but it's up there.

There's the T on Her app.

Please feel free.

Let's go.

Educate me.

What's the teacher?

Educate me, man.

I'm going to just, I don't want to serious this out.

So I'm just going to do 25 seconds.

About 25 seconds.

The World is on Fire update.

Okay, let's do it.

Let's do it.

The World is on fire.

ICE is going crazy.

We're seeing more lawlessness with immigrants.

The innocence program.

U.S.

District Attorney Janine Pirro just said that she's going to double down on criminalizing juveniles in D.C., which means you're going to see more laws, fewer diversion programs, and more actual incarceration.

And then around the world, we're seeing violence everywhere, including Gaza, where I work for Al Jazeera and my colleagues, every colleague I have in Gaza has been murdered.

Every single colleague I have in Gaza has been murdered.

So, we got a lot of work to do, a lot of stuff to pay attention to.

That's pretty good.

All right, young thug just uh

packet scared every time he do that shit.

He do it so fast.

You gotta hit it.

Everybody know in Gaza.

It's like, oh, my colleague.

God damn, he's doing it again.

That nigga, Mark, boy.

Mario never support him when he started talking that shit.

You support him very well, Spitzer.

He has my full support, but I also know that once he says something like that, or we discuss something like that, then we're just like, okay, what's the fucking pivot?

What's the pivot after we talk about every journalist on the Gaza Strip being murdered?

Like, what's the pivot?

So, Young Thug

appeared on Little Baby's Project.

Quite the project.

It was a snippet.

Snippet comes out Friday.

Comes out Friday.

I got it.

You'd like to hear it.

Here it goes.

Let's see.

You can't.

yeah it sounds horrible

anyway young thug says uh

i only fucked with you gunner because of troop that's the line that's the bar that's it

now i i don't i don't care honestly gunner is lapping y'all niggas right now so right now yeah you should probably should say his name sorry i'll be the one to say it

it's helping you to say gunner's name right now gonna not thinking about none of y'all niggas who claim y'all beefing with him.

He has hit the ground running, ain't looked back, and has ran maybe his third lap around y'all.

All of y'all, every last one of y'all who was dissing him,

probably need to say his name today to get some traction.

And yeah, that includes Thug.

Sorry, Atlanta, I love y'all, but outside of Atlanta, we don't care like that.

The shit you put out, ain't the little snippets and all that stuff we heard, ain't nothing working.

Meanwhile, Gunner is on a tear.

Y'all won't admit it, so I'll admit it.

Gunner's on a tear.

And that's ice on the music side of things.

On the lifestyle side, if I'm an artist that makes heat and I come signed to you as an artist that makes heat,

and

you're a gang, and I'm not,

and then they come to get us,

and when I'm separated from you, I tell them

I'm not in a gang

I really don't see what the fuck you mad at

I know yo I maybe I'm getting anti-hip-hop as I grow I cannot understand this for the life of me

I don't get it explain it flip can you explain only in hip-hop can you be mad at me because I'm not in a gang like you but you you gain the benefits of being around a nigga that was in a gang

You receive the benefits from that.

The protection,

the notoriety, your talent is just a smidget

on the board.

I come from a two-parent household.

No, nigga, you came from niggas that was in the stop it, nigga.

I'm not talking about me.

I'm speaking as gunner.

Yeah, but you can't speak as gunner if you and me.

I come from a two-parent household.

Oh, sorry.

My parents could put the house up.

to bail me out of here.

Like, we can't talk about the advantages that came with this when it lands me in jail.

We We see the end result.

So who cares how you, oh, you bought 70 niggas with me to Starlitz?

Who gives a fuck?

Who cares?

I'm in jail.

And I'm telling them that I'm not down with you.

And you mad at me about it, even though you got out, too.

But you would have done that situation.

Everybody's out.

But you would have done that situation.

I wouldn't have been in that situation because my OGs are not going to go rent a car and then

put it in their name and then drive by the Coliseum.

My OGs are not going to put me in that situation because they love me.

And if you're in that situation, you're probably dealing with somebody that didn't have as much love for you as my OGs have for me.

I said, okay.

None of my OGs, I'm from the 19s, though.

I'm from the 19s.

Got it.

There was a protect, the community looked to protect certain people.

I could rap since I was young.

They wasn't, hey, let that boy go rap.

Let him go rap.

We gonna go.

What are you talking about?

None of them niggas and all of the major New York niggas in that scene, I've had coffee with them.

None of them would have met me and said, come take this ride with us.

You wouldn't have even seen the funny Jersey nigga sitting Indian style in front of the diner and say, hey, hey, come, hey, we're going on a run.

Come on, Beth.

Come on, Betty.

Come fly.

Nobody was going to say that to me, but that's my story, my experience.

No knock on anybody else.

No knock on anybody else.

They don't make make the OGs like them anymore.

Clearly.

Clearly.

I just don't understand dog being mad.

I don't get it.

Maybe Meezy or somebody explained to me.

I don't know.

I don't understand.

I don't understand rules.

I don't claim to understand it.

I just

stay over there.

Y'all got it.

Or more music shit.

Cardi dropping a new single Friday.

Imaginary Players.

Imaginary Players.

Jay-Z sample.

Cleared the sample.

That's a big deal.

It's a big deal at this time because Nikki has been firing at Jay-Z for however long and now she is on a Jay-Z sample, it's like, if you're into that,

I wouldn't even, I'm just saying.

You don't think that's a coincidence?

No, I don't.

I don't think it's a coincidence.

Who's been clearing samples?

I don't think so.

I said, Ho's been clearing samples.

No.

That's what I'm saying.

So I don't think it's...

No, but the coincidence that he's not.

You're saying it is a coincidence.

But he didn't clear that as though a clap back to Nikki.

He's like, I'm a corrector.

That's the correlation that they're.

Oh, no, I don't think that had anything to do with it.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

I'm just thinking it's.

We'll see how the record sells.

That's the real thing.

My point of bringing it up was she just dropped a single outside

how many weeks old?

Shit, one week.

I asked when that dropped, did we think we'd get more singles prior to the album?

The album is now roughly about a month out.

If this one doesn't perform,

do we get another single prior to the album?

Yes.

Y'all say yes.

No.

I say no.

No.

You're going off that diving board no matter what.

Oh, you're going off the diving board no matter what.

No, no, no, no, no, you're getting, you're getting another single thing.

No, this one don't work.

If you owe for two, I don't think you go try to.

Because if you owe for three, now you might have it.

I think you just rep the fact that I'm Cardi and people are going to buy this album because they've been waiting for it.

A third single means you're spending money on a third single with a projection of how you feel this album might perform.

At some point, they'll get into saving money mode because you're going off the diving board anyway.

So why are we about to preview or release another single when we know you're going off the diving board?

And we say diving board, she may perform well, but what we mean is the label is getting this album out no matter what.

There are no more excuses.

It's coming out.

Oh, no.

I agree with that.

Even at some SummerSlam, they had street teams out there putting on all the cars.

And y'all know MetLife Parking Lot.

Her album coming soon, of course, with her performing there and everything.

Like they are in full.

We letting everybody know every way we can.

I don't even think

barring something insane that

this date is sticking.

This is like a hard date.

I still like the outside record.

I'm not talking about how successful it may have been for the label, but I do like it.

I sing it in the strip club, except when they get for that one part that the niggas can't sing.

I'm so small and tiny, he's so big and tall.

Might let him dunk this pussy like he dunked that ball.

I just got to drink my little juice.

What?

She put that shit in the first verse.

So while you're jamming.

I'm so small and tiny, he's so big and tall.

Might let you dunk this pussy like you dunk the ball.

I'm such a bird.

You are, bro.

You stand up in it, though.

I don't give a fuck, though.

That'd be the fun shit.

That'd be the fun part of the club, the bird songs.

Joe do not his bird.

Good luck to Cardi.

Hopefully it does well.

I can't wait to hear.

I would like to hear what you have to do over an imaginary player sample.

That part I can't figure out.

That's what I want to hear.

Because that sample ain't about to magically turn into a strip club record.

And if it do,

they might find a way.

I would be really impressed if that turns into a strip club record.

You can do it.

Yeah, it it can be done.

Yeah, you absolutely could do it.

It depends on what's getting sample.

Because

the part I think about when I think about imaginary players is actually.

Don't, don't, but that's already somebody else's sample.

So I'm thinking it's going to be a bar.

I think it's going to be the way.

Remember, like Swizz was snipping whole stuff.

Yes.

Yeah.

I think it's going to be like vocals.

I think that's what it's going to be.

Because imaginary players, you got to be shooting at somebody.

Yeah, of course.

Which makes sense as to the timing.

Right.

It might be some, I don't see none of that.

Like something like that.

You know,

one of those little snippets that's shooting at somebody.

That's what I think it's going to be.

Okay.

But Cardi thinks that because Cardi can't rap over that tempo

of the original, well, not the original, the Jay-Z imaginary player.

Right.

She can't rap.

That's true.

But

if they were just sampling that track,

you would need Jay-Z Clarence, right?

You would need the original.

Fox is funny.

You think she could rap over that?

Yeah, she could.

He also thought Will Iam could say that about Jay-Z.

Hold up.

He was right about it.

I had a whole list of shit that he was right about.

Y'all was wrong.

Yeah.

I mean, like, ooh.

I mean,

I don't, I don't

think I'm gonna be able to do it.

I don't hear it.

But this ain't as slow as this ain't that slow.

It's 88.

It ain't that slow.

She got records that are slowness.

You're right, you're right, you're right.

Farks is right.

Farks is right, Mark.

Lotta loud.

Here you go.

Let go, itch.

Talk to him.

Let him know where you're from.

She will, though.

That's it, motherfucker, nigga.

She can't handle it.

I don't think she will.

I want to be clear.

I don't think it will be that Bob.

No, no, not at all.

Not at all.

But she could.

I think she might get it off.

I'm telling you, it's going to be some lyrics kids.

I think she might get it off.

I'm so small and tiny.

He's so big and tall.

Now, why is that in your mental roller ducks?

She wrote it like that.

I know.

Well, for them.

Somebody wrote it like that.

For them.

For us.

No, not us.

Not us.

No, not for us.

May let him nut this pussy leggy dunk.

And them niggas that be writing it, they be going in there and doing the pace and the tempo for them.

For sure.

They be doing the rushes.

I know exactly what we're talking about, too.

Nigga in the booth just laying all of the verses for her.

I didn't know.

You talking about?

Yeah, in a way, I sucked the dick in my name, man.

I was like, wait.

Y'all don't hear this nigga?

You ever look at your nut ass out of this?

Oh, man.

Anything else?

Anything else on your minds, hearts, and souls, and spirits that we need to get out?

I'm going to be,

I think next week I'm going to be giving out free jerk chicken for like.

Is that what you threw out the mallet?

I'm just saying, I'm going to be doing that.

Come down and get some jerk chicken for free, man.

Where?

In Brooklyn.

You hungry as hell.

You another one.

Go home.

Why are you giving out jerk chicken?

I just feel like I want to just get back to the people.

Okay.

Where in Brooklyn?

I get the address here.

Okay.

Well, I meant like what part?

But yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'll send people there.

Yeah, I mean, come down there.

Yeah, yeah.

I'll come down.

Yeah.

What are you laughing for, ish?

You want some jerk chicken?

Nah, I'm good.

Yeah, fuck out of here, nigga.

You want some Portugal, nigga, right?

Homemade applesauce.

He needs to fuck you up, itch, right now.

No, they won't.

Yeah.

I don't have anything else, but in more local news, I am sad to report

that the legendary nightclub and restaurant Todge

has closed down.

Really?

New York City.

Wow.

It is a sad, sad day for us.

If you're from the 19th, we stopped going.

We stopped going.

We ain't been there no more.

But

some really, really fun, amazing times at Todge in New York City.

So please.

What's next?

M2?

I have a lot of tip my hat off to y'all over there at Todge, man.

Anybody that had a wild or memorable night or just a good night at Todge, man, I dedicate this episode.

Episode to you, man.

Real sad news.

I don't have anything else.

Oh, EYL versus Trap.

trap.

Can someone break that down for me?

I understand.

I've seen online, I see that there's an issue.

I know that there's a tension or a beef, but I'm not in that finance.

I feel like we should call an expert.

Ish is right here.

Melissa so vanilla.

I feel like.

No, let's break it down first with us.

Don't look at my phone.

You don't get.

I have no idea.

Oh.

I thought you might.

Hello, some other shit.

Don't, don't.

No, but

you could tell us.

I don't have any idea.

You could just do the just the fast man thing.

I don't have any idea.

They're not inviting you to InvestFest to speak no more.

Okay.

They invited you.

They put you on the small stage.

You could tell us now.

I've never spoken at

all.

Here we go.

I'm calling Ian Dunlap because nobody here, quote unquote, wank wink, knows what's going on with the EYL versus Trap Beef.

So let's find out.

I know.

Rashad has been stunting on too many people for too long.

That's it.

Look, now these niggas don't answer the phone on Tuesdays.

Don't worry, I'm going to call Trap next.

Actually, I call Rashad.

Let me call him.

Yeah, fuck out of here, Ian.

Shout out to Ian Dunlap.

Shout out to Ian.

All right, let's see.

I think that I, you know, hopefully somebody can give me some clues because I definitely want to, you know, know, deep dive.

I asked them niggas at the dinner in the beef ball pause.

Yo, what's up?

I'm hearing some shit.

I didn't know what I was talking about.

They started to elaborate.

I was always known you was talking.

He said, who's saying our names?

I said, every time y'all come to the paw, y'all try to pussy foot around.

That's what I was telling Tori and Michael.

Like, y'all pussy foot around because he said that, yo, Flip, you was in a bad mood.

When we came up there, you didn't want us up there.

I said, nah, when every time we ask y'all a question, I just pussy foot around to answer.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yo, my guy was following me.

Ian Dunlap, this is Joe Budden, Mel Four, Queens Flip, Ish, Ice, Dark of Mon Hill, and Parks.

Don't say anything incriminating.

We are on air right now.

We call

it, speaking of family,

we call him to get the tea.

About what?

Child, you know.

About

that money that you loaned to Trap.

That money you loaned to Trap that he didn't get back and he said that y'all had a conversation off mic and you still went on air and said that nut shit.

That's what he said.

I never said or implied that I loaned Track money.

Oh.

All right, but can you speak to us about how all these niggas was beefing with y'all?

Aristotle, you know Aris?

Yeah.

Do you know anything about these people beefing with y'all or no?

No, I just mind my business and help people make money.

I don't involve myself in no beef.

You know that.

All right, don't worry.

Rashad is my my next call.

Rashad is my next call.

See, but that's my problem with y'all.

Everybody's so scared of taking it.

Yeah, every year, these niggas pump fake on the beef is my problem.

Where they let a little bit out that says we hate each other.

And then when the public is interested, oh no, man, we just chilling in.

Every year before investor known.

Oh, Gustavo Allah.

That's supposed to know.

Same rollout bullshit every year.

But I just hurt somebody.

But if that

is that true?

All right, so this is rollout in

I'll ask y'all

who when I first met everyone up there, was I not saying Microsoft, Nvidia, Bitcoin, and give people then follow suit?

Yes.

Yes.

Is there issues that people may have?

Cool, but the timing of it is always interesting to me.

It's my job to not, and even with this bullshit that happens,

if everyone's making money, why is there conflict?

He pedophiles.

There should be no conflict if people are making real money.

I just left Mexico, Puerto Rico, Bahamas, left my house in Mexico.

I don't have no time for no drama with nobody black, even if they'll like me.

Love to everybody.

Got you, my boy Ring.

All right, well, how you feel about Rashard showboating around town for the last four or five years in other continents, wearing all of that exclusive product, his words, not mine.

Well, how you feel about him?

Sharp, sharp, shape-up, huh?

Steve Harvey, all of Magic Johnson on the yacht.

Like, how do you think that the financial community,

how do you feel like your peers would respond to that type of showboating in the community?

Some of you that like it.

Some don't like my approach on how I talk about investing and say there's bravado behind it.

And I get that, like, I think I've always said, even in the criticism, there's something to learn.

I've told you that privately.

You've told me privately.

Talked to Ish a lot about it.

There's some truth in some criticism.

You just have to use it and adjust accordingly.

And I think he's done a great job, especially over the last year, making that adjustable.

But I don't have a beef in the body.

And I think it's stupid

at a time when the community needs us more than ever that this shit is even happening.

Indeed, I agree with that.

Oh, you want to talk?

I don't know if you can get it.

It's a good diplomatic answer.

Inflation is through the roof.

Billions are being printed in AI.

None of us own none of the AI companies.

I've been trying to get it to some of these companies for investing.

We are not allowed in.

But this is the community line.

And the other part of it was

some of the money drying up.

Talk about it.

Now we're talking.

Hey, speak to that.

Some of the money is drying up, bro, for some of your peers.

Content creation across the board is drying up.

Whether you like him or not, with Trump coin,

with the deal deal that he dealt with, and Vincent, Trump is working his ass off as president because he knows there's a contraction coming.

But what about Travis?

I know.

Travis goes.

I know about Trump already.

Yo, what's wrong with you?

Yo, Travis.

All right.

Well, Ian,

I hope to see you at my birthday dinner.

I knew that you would be polished and politically correct.

I'm going to call Rashad then, sir.

I'm going to hang up with you

and call Rashad.

And I'm letting you know before it happened, I'm going to instigate something out of him.

His ego is big enough to where

I'm going to get what I'm looking for.

So

I'll text you.

Don't try to text somebody.

You're texting them now.

Bye, bye, bye.

Let's see.

Yo, can I say something?

I ain't want to talk to no mess, though.

I want to talk to something real.

I think it's unfortunate.

The people that I did speak to with regards regards to this, I told them all I was disappointed in them.

That anytime us as black people start getting together, these niggas, whether you like them, whether you don't, for the last eight to seven, six to

about six years, these niggas have taken

a space that was unbeknownst to a whole bunch of black people, which is financial literacy, investing, et cetera, et cetera.

They made it cool.

And they also steered a bunch of people into putting our money in a place where we could become self-sufficient and financially free.

And so the fact that we are now that some of the lead niggas in that industry are beefing, I think, is fucked up.

And I think it makes us look like niggas.

And I think the people that are putting hundreds of thousands of dollars and millions of dollars into these vehicles are like, yep, look, told you.

It's only a matter of time.

The niggas going to nigga.

And I think that shit is whack.

And I told everybody involved that I was disappointed in them.

Thank you for that.

All right.

Don't say another word.

Thank you.

Yo.

That was dope.

Don't talk.

Yo.

Hey.

I learned from you.

Hey, yeah.

Yeah.

Let's go.

Yo, Rashad, we on air.

We are air.

I called Ian.

And he had a bunch of political bullshit to say.

But let's get to it.

I was asking, like

what's going on and how do you think some of your peers feel with you wearing all this exclusive potter product you taking the game to other continents hanging out with magic steve harvey and all these like what and it's just saying he don't want no beef in the financial community i do

i i want beef and told you to your face that beef was coming, pause.

And here we are.

So

is there beef?

is it just some animosity is it tension is it jealousy is it envy or can cooler heads prevail

well first and foremost is queen is queen flip there he's yes he is well actually he's here somewhere

flip you eating and our guest is asking you queen flip is here

did he tell you did he tell you about he drunk champagne for the first time in his life with us Did he tell you about that experience?

He said he literally left that part out.

He said he had a lemonade.

He said he had lemonade.

He said he had lemonade.

He never said he had no champagne.

No, he told us lemonade.

He told us about the black dorm.

You didn't say you had

some.

Yeah, the black duck got shit.

Yeah, he told us.

He told us.

He saw

you, Troy, and Terrence J.

Y'all sunned him out real quick.

Took him to some real

opulence.

He ain't know what to do with himself.

He did tell us.

Nah, nah, it's all love, man.

It's all love.

It's no problem.

It's no problem in this space.

But what you got to say to these hating-ass niggas in the financial space?

Hey, yo, Rashad is doing it again.

I told him and Troy, like, stop answering like that.

That's what niggas have attitudes, nigga.

What's up?

What happened, nigga?

Because we've seen you almost knock money out in the street.

Yeah.

We've seen that, but that's old.

You ain't slid him.

You gave them grace.

I gave him grace.

But now these niggas is still talking.

You know, any level of success breeds envy.

That comes with it.

That's a part of it.

So

people only can hear one side of the story if another person is not talking.

But by talking about something, you give it validity.

Right?

So, it's like sometimes it's not even worth having a conversation.

The truth never has to be defended.

So, but a lot, hold on, wait,

but a lot unchallenged can become the truth.

To some people, for sure.

But the real ones understandable.

All right, but let me ask you this.

But let me ask you this.

With all that's going on, like, do you plan on slowing down, wearing the matching silk outfits on these niggas?

I did.

I did, you know,

the drip report hurt a lot of hearts.

So I took a step back from that.

I like that.

Because

that satin fucked niggas up.

Yeah, that satin fucked you up.

They thought they could run the nemes and cop.

Nah.

Nah, this drip ain't in New Orleans, nigga.

Stop, stop, stop.

Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop.

But nah, that's all love, man.

Anybody, you got two types of people in this world.

You got the people that we might have disagreements, but they're still actually providing value to society, right?

That's just a disagreement.

That's not seeing eye to eye.

Then you got a hater who's providing no value to the world that his whole purpose is to try to destroy.

Those two people are not the same.

I just wanted to, that's not the same.

Like, you know what I'm saying?

Like, on a certain level, one, we can have a conversation with eventually, or maybe not, but it's not a real problem.

If you feel like talking that day,

if you feel like having a conversation, it could go somewhere else.

But the other one, like, don't look for the great post-up.

That's the new sport online.

When you have no talent, when you have no resources, when you have no connection, when you have no work ethic, the next thing to do is to get online and talk about other grown men and try to throw the flat down that way.

Yo, real real quick before I let you go, talk about that Invest Fest that's coming up.

Invest Fest next week, because that's probably another reason that they big mad like that.

First and foremost, we got ish.

We got the honor of ish coming.

Wait, what?

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Wait, what?

No, no, no.

He said that he wasn't fucking with y'all and didn't plan on doing that in Best Best forever.

You changed your mind, Ish?

What you talking about?

I'm going in Best Fest.

Wait, is he going down?

For real, you serious for Sean?

Yes, he's speaking.

On the big stage or the small stage?

Because I know y'all booked him on the small stage before.

He ain't like that, but he didn't tell you.

Don't do that.

Don't do that.

Is it the main stage where...

Don't do that.

Don't do that.

What stage is it?

Don't don't do that.

Don't do that, bro.

Don't do that.

Me and Ish had a conversation.

Me and Ish got a personal relationship.

That's my brother.

But is it the big stage or is it the teleporters?

Stop, stop it.

Is it the simple fault?

Because I'm going to be in the building too, nigga.

It's better than.

Yeah.

Well, you got Ish speaking at that dinner y'all throw.

He said you're going to be a little powerful

at the influence.

Pack your nigga toast.

Hey, yo, hold on.

But wait, wait, just tell me what topic ish is speaking on, because now I might go.

I'm going.

What's the topic?

Hey, yo, dog, ignore these niggas, man.

Oh, a fireside chat.

Yeah, tonight's conversation.

Hey, yo, Rashad.

Wait, oh, tonight's conversation, you said?

Yeah.

Oh, he's speaking with them?

Yeah.

Oh,

okay.

And not male?

Yeah.

What's wrong with you, baby?

What is wrong with you?

I don't know what's wrong with you.

But for sure, you already know everything that's wrong with me.

Just love me through what's wrong with me.

Congratulations.

Congratulations, I'll touch on

that $20 million year.

Thank you so much.

Years.

That's major.

That's major, man.

That's major.

Congratulations on that.

Listen, that's why I'm not part of the hate on EYL crew.

Like, if I wasn't doing like this, I wouldn't hate on you, niggas.

I would hate you.

But now, at best, best year, we got Jack Dorsey, we got Magic Johnson, we got Charlamagne the Gauge, we got

phone is breaking up now.

The reception is, yo,

the reception is getting a little mutt.

Y'all here?

Damn, oh, fuck, damn,

damn,

damn, man.

That's so petty.

Yo,

my nigga is.

Okay, ish.

You wanna call Trap to get like a full little rounding?

Oh, you be a messy Mel.

Stop.

I'm gonna get you now.

Mel, stop it.

You're opening the door.

Come on, Savannah.

It's going to be a little bit of a bad thing.

You were going to call him.

You were going to call him.

I'm still going.

It's easy.

It's why you ain't telling you to speak at right now.

Yo, bro, come on, man.

You didn't tell us.

Like, you omitted the facts.

It's going to be up there, nigga.

I'm going to be right with you, boy.

Get these 5,500 a hosting niggas out of here.

Who 5,500 a hosting?

I don't know.

Pushes at that.

Let your fucking mouth, nigga.

My man, itch is going to be up there.

I always got to find out about him from the street, like from another source of info.

I don't like that about, I don't like that, but I'm glad I found out.

You going?

I'm glad if I know I'm not going.

But if there's a live stream or I'm going to have somebody there filming, Ish, I want to hear Ish speak on the stage game.

You know, I'm going to be filming.

What the fuck is Ish going to talk about?

Absolutely nothing.

What's the f ⁇ ?

Tell us.

That's hate.

And that's why you have to be honest.

If he would answer my question, I wouldn't hate.

I just want the topic.

Ish, what's the topic, bro?

I have no idea.

So you just going to jump?

You're going to be on the the panel with the other people?

You gotta give niggas time to prepare.

They gotta tell me the topic.

They didn't take for real.

Now I'm coming.

Now I'm coming.

Now I'm coming.

Yo, Phil, yo, can we move with the show along?

No, nigga, you looking dumb.

This is not about me.

It is.

No, it's not.

This is not about me.

It is.

All right, cool.

You signed up.

Damn it.

All right.

I don't have anything else that is on my mind, spirit, body, and soul weighing heavy on my heart.

I think we've done a good job disseminating some information.

How about you guys?

What's the y'all?

I think you've done some positive work for the community.

Yeah, I think so too, man.

Shout out to the Innocence Pro.

And the lawyers.

And the lawyers.

And the lawyers, man.

And Pizza Hut.

And the lawyers, boy.

And Pizza Hut.

And Pizza Hut.

And Pizza Hut.

And I had.

That was fun.

Rashad, I love, Rashad.

I always say Rashad.

Rashad, I love you.

I just hung up on you for dramatic effects.

Again, I'll see y'all at InvestFest.

Mel, you going?

No.

All right.

Let's see, man.

Good show today.

Really good show today.

Good vibes.

Good vibe.

Good time, man.

Hopefully y'all have enjoyed this broadcast as much as we've enjoyed delivering it to you.

Until the next time, we bid you a due farewell.

Adios Ariba dirty, osta la vista, ego.

I forgot how I outro this shit.

Keep your windows closed.

Keep us in your prayers.

Lord knows we need to be there until next time.

Yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada.

And your windows closed.

Oh, my God.

All right, all right, all right.

We got it, y'all.

We got it.

We got it, y'all.

How do you say it, man?

Say it, nigga.

Baddies are insecure.

Last but certainly not least, the baddies are insecure.

The stagnant women want to travel, and the closed-minded women want you to teach them things, grab you a time and oil.

You might need it.

Anyone have any interesting plans for the week?

I know we at that Chris Brown concert tonight.

Yes, sir.

Is everybody here going to that or no?

I'm going.

No, I don't think I'm going to go.

Yo, why do y'all have such a hard time with the simplest of questions?

Is everybody here going or not?

I don't believe it.

What the fuck?

Absolutely.

You have the rest of the tickets?

Huh?

Missing tickets from Liga?

Like,

what?

Hey, y'all hold it down.

Exactly.

We love y'all.

Remember, Tupac cares if no one else cares.

Until next time.

Hey.

Hey.

I mean, mean, let it rock for a little bit now.

We going, y'all hold it down, same time, same place next week.

Everybody have a real good week.

Peace, love, health, wealth, and prosperity to y'all out there.

Ego.

Until next time,

we want to welcome back our good brother Mark, man.

Mark, it was good to have you back.

Yeah, we miss you.

Good to have you back, man.

Miss you on that long Tuesday.

Hey.

I don't know why my sound effects been pitched up this whole show.

It's been bothering me, too.

I'll look at it.

Yeah, this shit is hard.

Fuck it.

Well fold that up right now.

Don't don't don't don't don't look away now.

Pussy.