Episode 840 | "Howard the Coward"

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It's very romantic-y right now.

Oh, look, look, look, she's taking my toys.

She got my toys.

She's trying to tell myself out.

She's stressed.

No.

This is the Protect My Peace episode.

I'm protecting my peace.

I know that's right.

Let me put the headphones on so I can hear any and all slight subs and shots.

Shot this episode?

Got it.

I don't know.

I don't know, but.

Nah, I ain't going to be no shots this episode.

I just want to protect myself.

Everybody in a good mood.

The fireworks of the fourth?

Nah.

The other JVP?

Nah.

I think everybody's in a good mood.

I think so.

Yeah.

All right.

Y'all looking like y'all got somewhere to be.

Can we have fun today?

All of us.

Y'all niggas old and grumpy.

You got your new shoes on.

You like you got somewhere to be, too?

Got it.

Got it.

It's true.

Now niggas get so new, they got to show it real quick.

They're not new, but I mean.

I mean, you know.

I know.

New to us.

There we go.

There you go.

Many things are new to to you, guys.

I know.

What are seven times already, you know what I'm saying?

Freeze, you just said we were going to have a nice time.

We just said we were going to have a good time.

And your very next statement, you leave me dead in the street.

No, you respond.

I said niggas looking like they got somewhere to be.

And then you,

everybody, you could just let it go.

That's true.

I'm wrong.

There we go.

Accountability.

It's just a new thing I'm trying.

Accountability.

Hey, I'm about to change the pod game.

Because nobody does it.

No one admits they're wrong.

Nobody does it in podcast world.

I'm about to change it up.

You know what, Freeze?

I'm wrong.

My man.

Shit don't even sound right on the pod.

Yo.

If a nigga keep being wrong, what the fuck I want to listen to him about?

Or at least admitting to being wrong.

Whatever.

Double down on them wrong.

Yeah, I want to hear that guy.

I ain't going to hold you.

Mel, when was the last time you were wrong?

About five minutes ago.

Big man.

Five minutes ago.

What happened five minutes ago, girl?

Five minutes ago, I did not know that Flip was already here, so I started talking shit about how he does what he wants, and he was out there on the balcony.

You know the sad part about that?

And I said I was sorry.

I don't care about that.

Sorry.

The sad part about that whole thing is that

it's like

I'm like a slave to you.

Like, I come out, I defend you.

You know, especially behind the scenes,

I champion for you.

When you're not here, when you wasn't here, I'm like, yo, man, what's up with Mel?

I pull niggas to the side with my sister at.

And as soon as you think I'm just sitting right there, minding my business, talking to my tax guy

or the phone, and I walk in.

You in the midst of kicking my back in, ma'am.

Sorry.

I was wrong.

I don't accept she was wrong.

Okay, well, I mean, you don't have to.

Okay, you don't have to.

I just, I did an, it was an outward acknowledgement of me being wrong and apologizing, but you do not have to accept that is your prerogative.

Thank you, ma'am.

Mm-hmm.

Hey, Ish, when was the last time

you were wrong?

why is this such a funny question?

Because he's not going to answer it.

This is the year for you, I'm telling you.

Hey,

little piece of the world,

this little thing that you do.

Trying to think of the last time I was wrong.

Yeah, this, yeah.

I don't know.

Bitch, act like every question is some fucking

Neil deGrasse.

Nah, nah, not

like

that's what I do, right?

It's cool.

Did you come up with it?

No, I'm trying to think.

It's probably a while ago.

Damn.

This is tough.

Yeah, he

unrolled.

Smart nigga, right here.

All you gotta do is say yes.

Hey, Joe, you stumped me.

Damn, me wrong?

I look at this.

It's about 92.

Third grade.

Nah, I was right on 92.

Damn, bro.

It's escaping me.

I don't know.

You can't figure it out.

In no area in your life.

Oh, yeah, I'm sure I remember.

And just before we cut the mics on, we was having a talk where?

Oh, when I said that I.

We can't talk about that one, though.

That's too much.

Yeah, yeah, that's too long.

Yeah, you forget in real time.

I don't know.

We'll talk about it later.

I don't you're just talking about the topic that I gave Mel to put on the board.

Well,

that turned out to be fake.

The 37 plastic surgery joint.

Yeah, yeah.

We've all been gotten by cockshors.

Well, that's

different from you than us.

We don't.

Let me be respectful.

Go ahead.

That's a crime.

I know.

I shut up.

That's a crime that you're doing.

I shut up instantly.

Okay.

Melbourne's little crime loop, crime trap.

She's throwing up a crime.

And I grab it every time.

You got to hop over them shits.

Last time.

Freeze.

What do you last you was wrong, Freeze?

Oh, I was wrong the other day.

I said some shit that just wasn't right.

That's all.

I can't go into detail.

I was wrong.

Big wrong.

My bad, babe.

You was right.

Oh, one of those.

Yeah.

That's the worst when you're wrong, dear girl.

You got to acknowledge that.

But we knew you was right, though, in the moment.

It's you lucky you ain't got none of those.

Thank God.

I know, I get them sometimes.

Just ain't.

I can't remember none of that happened in a while.

I tell you one thing.

I better not see you on another podcast.

If I see you on a podcast the rest of this year, we thumping.

I ain't gonna hold you.

I ain't gonna hold you.

I'm just telling you what it is.

All it's like.

Let my foot get well.

Oh.

Oh, my lord.

Before you steal off on me.

Motherfucker.

I don't care it kids.

All them shits you be doing.

The prom boys.

Prom boys podcasts.

Yo, because he'll do any part.

I'll do any part.

That nigga, the plant store pod.

Oh, shit, yo.

My uncle used to be a planter.

You know, I always had a green thump.

Green thumb pod.

Oh, man.

All right.

That's me.

All right, all right, all right, all right.

What's happening right now?

What's happening right now?

What's happening right now?

I think you're looking for some words of wisdom.

Here we we go.

All he gets is a year.

No,

I should have.

I killed you myself, bitch.

I should have killed you myself, bitch.

See, that's the difference between you and me.

Don't get mad, Tito.

Tito?

It's the law.

Sucks, huh?

Yeah, well,

this is over with.

Maybe you could come work for me.

Bad boy, hair boy.

You ain't even gotta count the money.

Mike Shank 1212, Mike Shank 1212.

Happy 5th of July out there.

What the fuck is going on?

Shout out to wherever you might be listening from.

Let's try to pay.

Big Jersey, New York City, what up, what up, what up?

I'm up with chocolate screen.

Kim cream as my chain swing.

Mac 11 for the things that the days bring.

I'm out the cheddar, debt and money.

Yeah, I chase.

Everybody in the car right now.

What up, what up?

What up?

right now.

Ego

it's that Sarian life.

Came from heaven just to sing your soul today.

Oh, Philadelphia, what up, what up?

Oh, DMP, what up?

Carolinas, what up?

Chicago, what's going on out there?

Again, wherever you might be listening from, we got a great show lined up for you today.

So happy to be here.

God is good.

You can hear them calling,

don't you?

If you don't wanna stay, you can go.

Yes, sir.

The angels have

said

to you.

Shout to all the parents out there,

all the cheering out there.

Always for the ladies, always for the ladies.

Yes, sir.

Everybody outside, everybody get something to eat.

Everybody at a picnic right now.

Every time I close my eyes,

wake up feeling so lonely.

I can get you out of my mind.

Sexy, you'll be all I see.

I would give anything.

Just to make you understand me.

I don't give a damn about nothing.

You in the curve right now?

Let me hear you.

I need my life.

I need your money.

If you're in a sun dress out there,

I would give it

my

sad.

Alright, alright, alright, alright, alright.

Who's ready to ride?

Who's ready to ride?

What must I say?

Yo, who was they trying to say in that Patreon when we brought up Casey?

Who did y'all?

Oh, yeah, Cisco.

Yo, don't do that again.

Don't do that again.

Still a little bit of a fight.

Because you went on tour with Cisco.

No.

Alright, man.

Y'all know what the first topic is, man.

I ain't gonna hold it up.

Let's go.

This thing might be.

Let's go, man.

Way into Blano Games.

Hey, musical master.

You gotta say the quiet part out loud, man.

The elephant in the room.

Hey.

Hey.

Hey.

Hey took all the public shit.

What'd you say?

Hey took his public shit too.

Who did?

Living Levita Locus.

Benji like a popcorn.

Living Levita Locus.

I didn't know they could do that.

I thought it really.

He did.

Cracking around.

A majority, not all of it.

Okay, gotcha.

I'm in there, 70%?

They didn't say specifically.

He cracked them.

Just for that one.

He cracked them.

I thought it was for the...

I thought it was supposed to be for the beat, but I didn't know if you say something.

But then I learned, because Trinidad James is the same thing, right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

If y'all have ever been to a party when this song comes on, you guys are being extremely disrespectful with this Trinidad James talk right now.

I'm sorry.

What we're doing is

you doing

this.

All right, we got a great show line up.

Come on, let's get to it.

Let's get to it.

Shout out to niggas' first baby moms, man.

I'm at my baby moms.

What's your first?

Hey.

Oh, and then the little drum right away where they start doing it.

I think Cisco should try to get his lick back.

I think Cisco should try to get his lick back on that little living the Vita loca shit.

I agree.

It shouldn't be significant.

It should be, you should get, maybe he have to give a little piece, but like maybe 15%.

Maybe it's a bigger piece of highs.

It's shocking.

I do agree, Paul.

It's just a phrase.

It's a phrase.

Yeah.

My phrase.

It's easy to say in 2025.

But was it his phrase?

Like, did he make it?

Oh, I don't know.

Wasn't it like a guy that he wrote the phrase with what's his guy name?

Ricky Martin.

Dog.

Thong song came out in 97, 98.

No, like,

99, 2000.

99, 2000.

That nigga for a while as a teenager.

Damn.

Oh, my bad.

19 and 20.

All right, so that means that fucking Ricky Martin came out in 96.

Dog, stop it.

And you know what that stuff.

Oh, oh, oh, that's

it.

You can't call seven years after that and be like, yo, I got this little joint and I'm using the main part of your.

He didn't even call.

No, he put it out.

That's why he got scraped.

That's why he got scraped.

Oh, you're done.

Yeah, you're done.

And you ain't, why would they do that?

I'm Def Jam.

I think they probably felt like I feel like it's

a phrase.

It's not like you took a whole line.

You took a phrase.

Well, you can't.

Living a crazy life is not like a

living a crazy life.

He should have said that.

He didn't say living.

Mr.

Translator.

He's

living La Vida Loka.

Still just a phrase.

I'm just trying to.

Did he coin the phrase or did it exist before him?

I feel like it did.

And he just made a song off of it.

You cool with stealing on America's birthday?

No, it's not.

It's American pastime.

Exactly.

America got stolen.

America's 249th birthday.

You're cool with that.

What that?

Yeah.

You said that's wise?

The founding principles of which.

What episode is this?

840?

I don't know.

We've been killing the apes.

I ain't been killing you.

Yeah, we've been flying right through these bitches.

AIDS has been kind of fire.

Yeah.

We'll confirm.

Will confirm.

840 indeed.

Ace?

That was.

I mean, I said it a second ago.

Oh,

maybe I'm not sure.

I was wrong.

I was wrong.

I was wrong.

Welcome to episode 840 of the Joe Button podcast.

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Prize Picks Gang.

I'm your humble, grateful, gracious, yada, yada, yada.

It's a holiday, nigga.

I'm in vacay mode.

You know who I am.

I said it enough.

I'm really the gang is here.

Mel is here.

Flip is here.

Ish is here.

Ice is here.

Parks is here.

Poe is here.

Corey is here.

Erickson is here.

I think I saw Keeb and Ian.

I think Savon and Tana are working today.

I wouldn't know.

I need to check up on who's working in the time.

I believe they are.

I believe they are.

I got a couple contractors that ain't spoke to me in about a year and a half.

I'm going to call you niggas.

I'm going to check up on that house.

Them niggas down here just do what the fuck they want to do.

Flip told you to have a grill out here.

What's up?

Yep.

Thank you.

There is no grill out there as you guys can see.

Well, it's supposed to be, Flip.

We can Amazon one real quick, probably.

Instagram.

I thought about the grill, but you guys kept making it seem like y'all wanted to be in and out of of here and like y'all had things to do.

So,

I wasn't going to go slave.

Oh, so you wanted to be lit all day?

Hell no.

And we'll get into you,

Miss Molly.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Definitely want to be lit.

Okay.

All fucking day.

Between breaks, I could have burger.

It's like the New Year's of the summer.

Damn, I'm sorry I let you guys down.

A little bit.

An excuse to eat like shit, drink a lot.

That's right.

You know, get fucked up.

Well, you can make it up to us later on.

That's all.

All right.

We believe in you.

Mm-hmm.

Okay, we'll see.

Okay, all right.

We'll see.

You guys, all right?

We good.

I'm good, man.

I'm good.

I'm good.

Excited about the fourth, man.

That's it.

You know, you're trying to be efficient.

Trying to be feasible.

You know,

that dead is.

What you excited about?

That dead-ish shit you be letting slide.

Like, when we get quiet, none today.

I'm going to talk instantly.

As soon as you get quiet.

Yeah.

Hey, hi.

Everybody up?

You're going to break out a song.

Niggas be getting quiet like this.

No?

Y'all got four plans?

Yeah, family.

I'm gonna see family today, Joe.

We're gonna hit some cookouts later.

Yeah, cookout.

I wanna end up on a rooftop somewhere.

That's my New York tradition on the fourth.

End up some rooftop, eating and drinking.

Fire, gotcha.

Watching the fireworks.

Nice.

Nice.

And you're in Queens.

Yeah.

So they show up.

Something's on our side.

Yeah, that's fire.

Yeah, you get a good view.

That's cool.

Yeah, I don't have anything planned.

I ain't doing shit.

Nothing at all.

You're in the grip?

You're not doing nothing at all?

I don't know.

Nothing planned.

You going outside?

I'm sure someone's going to hit you at some point.

Third pie yoke.

Cooking out.

Oh, we'll see.

We'll see.

If not, it's fine.

I stayed out mad late the other night and came home like 4:30.

Oh, you was outside?

What you was doing, boy?

Yeah, yeah.

What you doing, gang?

You back?

Oh, I'm happy.

You back like that?

Oh, shit.

What you doing, boy?

You so

stupid.

4:30.

My girl was tight.

You took your location off?

You took the location though.

You put the shit on airplane mode.

Airplane mode.

Is that the club?

4:30, something?

Fuck it.

Fuck it.

Yeah.

How that combo?

YOLO.

How did combo go the next day, though?

What combo?

Oh, got it.

Is it the next day?

Combo about what?

I hate it.

Yeah.

Did she hit you on?

We got the mics on.

Yeah.

I'll ask her.

Nah, she was tight.

Did she hit you?

There we go.

She was tight.

Were you wrong?

Yeah.

Tight wild though.

That's a lot of questions.

Don't nobody want their part now having fun and coming in.

Not till four o'clock.

Not till four o'clock.

That's too much fun.

That's too much fun.

And if that's out of character for you, then what was going on that night that made you want to have one?

Nah.

Good job.

So, does she hit you in real time?

Like, you got home at 4:30 for the moment?

And I don't think it's.

Wait, oh, well, I don't want my.

Don't incriminate yourself.

I don't want to start so early with my views on things, but if you're in a relationship, I don't really see why you're coming in at five in the morning, four in the morning.

I agree.

I just don't think it's wise.

It's not wise.

It's not wise.

For sure.

Really, not wise if your name ain't on the lease, too.

I try to pull that same move.

That's no worries.

Lock me change out this movie.

Yeah.

My wife told me, like, if I come home at five o'clock, she woke up in the middle of the night and couldn't go back to sleep, concerned.

Like, come on, I told you.

Yo, dog.

Yo, yo, can we wake that up?

Can we wake that up?

Steve, you got work.

I'm good.

I'm okay.

Yo, she up all night.

She talk about something.

Yo, yo, I texted you, you ain't.

I must have been having fun.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of fun.

The time I was having in my mom, listen, my phone was.

I lost that shit.

Strippers had to help me find.

Y'all see my phone?

This girl will find a reason to be awake if I'm out.

Oh, you know my stomach was hurting.

Yeah.

Oh, you know I got a bad migraine.

They started to feel shit.

My period.

Girls got all this.

They do.

All of this bullshit.

I had a dream.

Just so happened that it happened today?

Yeah, they just won't say, yo, I'm up because you out and I'm on my stalk and shit.

And that shit made me mad.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I agree.

I told my wife the same shit.

Like, girl, enough.

You're going to go to work.

And then on top of that, you're going to blame me.

I'm out handling business.

You're going to blame me that while you're tired at work, go to sleep.

Take a title on O PM.

It works.

Don't work.

Yeah, this motherfucker, you know, I have been having trouble sleeping for weeks.

And I know you ain't buying no melatonin either.

Magnesium.

You ain't bedridden.

You got that Z-Quill right there.

Magnesium, get it done.

Spray it on the feet.

You know the crazy thing about it, though, if it was the other way around.

I was about to say.

My wife stay out nigga till 11:30 p.m.

Cut the shoes.

You got kids, girl.

Girl, you got kids.

You out at 11:30?

Where are you?

You got children.

Now, Jay, y'all never big.

I start making shit up.

We need some food in the house.

Nico had a nightmare.

Where were you?

You out past 11.

Ho.

Why don't you act like a lady?

Have some fucking self-respect for yourself.

And you representing me.

Yeah.

I say lying.

Gotta pour it on.

That's the one right there.

This motherfucker will not go to bed.

And if she go to bed, her little piss alarm clock is set to when I should be leaving the strip club.

Oh, you know,

you notice the time I get up to pee.

Girl.

Piss alarm.

Yeah.

Girls got that too.

When they sneaking around doing some bullshit.

Oh, I was up peeing.

Nah, you was up.

You was up.

Doing that shit.

You know what you'd be doing.

Women's intuition is peeking.

You was peeking.

You were peeking.

You wasn't peeing.

You was peeking.

That's crazy.

Women's intuition is.

You don't have to intuition.

I looked at my girl dead in the middle of an argument one time and was like, I'm going to check the cameras and see what you're doing when I'm sleeping.

And then they weren't working no more, right?

Mysterious power outage.

The cameras is broken.

No, then she was offended.

I said something like that to her.

And then I took a walk and felt bad that I said something like that.

Then I apologize.

You really.

You're wrong.

I was wrong.

You're wrong.

Wait, wait, hold on.

I was wrong.

Well, I said that too.

What's wrong about that?

You can't say that to your fucking

partner.

They're not going outside.

I'm just talking talking about if you're going through my phone.

That's what I'm, that was, that was.

That's what I was saying.

Yeah, that's not rude.

You can't.

You can't.

If you ain't got nobody to say, you can't legal to go through somebody's phone.

That's number one.

Number two, it's not rude to say, hey, yo, there's some things missing.

This was here.

Some things were moved around.

And when I fell asleep,

things are not in this place.

You cannot tell your partner that you are checking the camera system to see what they're doing while you sleep and think that you're going to have a good week is all I'm saying.

True, but I do, I prefer for you to be honest with me.

Yo, hey, while you were sleeping, I went through this and I did this.

Oh, and I did that.

I would prefer that.

Oh, God.

If you don't do that, that means you lied or you omit it.

Yes.

So then I'm going to do the same thing.

I play a game like that, boy.

I don't care.

Okay, so like question for the married guys.

Sure.

So any one of the parts of

the two little bits.

How you talking to him?

Talk to the white guy.

Well, no, I want to ask both of you.

But there's some pretty close to married guys.

No, no, no.

She said the married guys.

The married guys.

Fuck, you can't.

No,

I can't speak to that.

I've never been married.

I've only proposed.

It's a different level of commitment.

Twice, boy.

It's a different level.

I'm trying to downplay proposal.

I'm trying to pin the paper.

That's true.

It is different.

It's different.

Okay, so

y'all are body the proposal.

I can't.

You got to body your next proposal.

You set the fonts on.

You're going to have to skydive off of something like, you know, getting in front of her with a parachute on your knee.

Got to.

I'm going to just just leave the proposal in my phone one day.

Under a girl name.

That's fire.

That's fire.

That's good.

There we go.

Text me with Jessica.

Text her with Jessica.

That's fire, Jessica.

Yo, that's funny.

I got you, man.

That is a laugh.

What do you got you, babe?

That is funny.

Mel, what you was going to ask, Mel?

I was going to ask, like, as

married men or like in a, you know, in a marriage, is your phone off limits to your partner?

We don't do that, play that game.

So she can pick up your phone whenever she wants to.

I mean, I let her pick up my phone.

But if she's snooping, we don't snoop through each other's phones.

But

I'll pass her the phone to look some shit up, or if her phone's dead or whatever, whatever.

I'm like, I'm paranoid about my phone.

Okay, okay.

I do the same thing.

I just but we don't sneak through each other's shit.

That's

yeah.

Like my wife, even when she picks up, like, like she doesn't like to go on my, if I tell her to go get my wallet, she doesn't go into my pants to get my wallet.

Like she same thing with like purses and all that shit.

She brings my pants to me.

I don't know what that's about.

I don't know.

I don't know where that came from, but she does that.

Alright, so what advice do you give to people in relationships?

Yo, I ain't gonna lie.

Niggas in relationships, let me tell y'all right now, yo, I'm gonna talk to the fellas.

Yo, go through her phone, gang.

And when you go through her phone, really go through that shit.

Go through the cash app.

All of it.

Go through the zell history.

Go through the Bluetooth.

See how many niggas she's been in cards with.

You see BMW friends.

I'm telling you, go through the deleted messages.

Go through the Uber Eats.

The address is in the Uber Eats.

Clean that shit out.

Uber Eats.

I'm telling y'all, I'ma save y'all.

I'm saving niggas money and I'm saving niggas

happiness, bro.

I swear to God.

Like, I'm really giving it to niggas.

Like, I'm really showing y'all how to get it right.

Go through that phone, gang.

You see it?

It's everything.

What about mother?

What about for the female?

Yo, for the female, yo, just trust him.

If he black, he don't cheat.

Black men don't cheat, by the way.

So if he black, yo, he's not cheating.

Just trust him.

Listen to what he says.

Don't talk over him.

Never talk over your ladies.

If y'all out there, don't talk over your nigga.

Don't do it.

All right?

And listen, saying sorry costs $0.00.

Yo, having accountability costs $0.00.

That part though.

Yo, giving a nigga a head costs $0.00,

ladies.

Yeah, that part.

Hopefully, that was able to help.

It was

super helpful.

What's up, what's up, what's up?

Y'all ready?

Y'all running from it.

What's up?

We're not running from it.

I was there in real time.

You and JLA.

I was there in real time.

I was in the overflow room, man.

You sprayed baby oil on you?

No, I didn't.

Never, never, never.

But the puff trial, the puff verdict.

Yeah, puff verdict came down, man.

The biggest charge, the Rico charge, he was found not guilty right rico and sex trafficking found not guilty

and then what was he found guilty on um the transportation for the purpose of prostitution

we called that one yeah he did yeah he did

how do we feel well wait first describe what was the energy and the overflow okay so when he when we saw some footage outside the courtroom when the verdict came down outside erupted I mean, they went crazy.

The people were hugging each other.

Some people were crying.

I didn't know what was going on.

That's what I saw outside.

And also, when I arrived, they were having a baby oil off, like pouring baby oil on each other and dancing.

This guy named it.

So they did that before

the verdict got down.

No, the verdict came down and they started to do that.

Gotcha.

And then the next day.

Was there a Walgreens close by?

Or did they just brought that shit?

They brought that there.

Yeah.

Pre-planned.

You know.

And you didn't.

No, I'm not.

Come on, Park.

I'm not throwing no baby oil, man.

that's not helping you I'm queen's flip that's not I'm not doing

I also represent the JBP that's true so I'm not going out there throwing baby oil on my body and doing that you know I'm saying but yeah that's what that's what I saw when I got there then my mom took me inside and um yeah

when he got denied bail

The overflow room was like, oh

They were so put the baby oil back down.

Yeah, they was angry.

They was angry.

Well,

how do we feel about the verdict?

How do we feel about the decision made by a jury of his peers?

I thought that's right.

Yeah,

I feel like justice was served.

I could say that now.

I feel like, you know, based off the evidence and stuff like that, based off of the facts that they presented,

it wasn't a Rico charge.

I mean, he got charged with a man act.

You know, the man act started with Jack Johnson, the boxer from back in the days.

I feel like justice was served.

I feel like we all can identify the type of person he is when it comes to him being in a a relationship, but I just feel like some people are into freaky shit and some people are complicit into freaky shit.

And it becomes, it's a gray area, it's a gray line when it becomes to

wanting to do it and wanting not to do it this time.

And I just feel like based off of the evidence, justice would serve.

I think that even if they were able to prove it in some factual ways, I like that it seems like the intent of the law was

taken into account here.

And I don't think the intent of the law was to

go go after a horny individual, even if he may be an abusive monster, manipulative, all that shit.

Like, I don't think that that was the purpose of that law or the sex trafficking law was not

to fly prostitutes.

And even if, on paper, it may be dead to rights.

That ain't what it was for.

That's not what it was intended for.

I didn't even thought of it like that.

Yeah, I was actually shocked, to be honest.

I just thought that I'm actually, shouts to the jury jury for actually being able to follow the definition of the law.

Because I figured that

the video that was shown, the testimony, like they were trying to paint, they basically were trying him for being a piece of shit.

Yeah.

And

we know what we hear about the feds.

So I'm thinking, damn,

they got him.

Because they do have him at being a piece of shit.

And, you know, you can taint somebody's

viewpoint of you.

The facts really don't matter after that.

But they stuck to the facts.

And the facts justify these charges.

So, salute.

I think the opposite of, I think everybody has points.

And I never considered your point with the intent.

I think that the intent.

is different than the factual basis.

Right.

So ICE is like they followed the law.

They didn't follow the law.

If they would have followed the quote-unquote letter of the law, he would have got convicted.

I think that they did look at the nuance of the situation

and look at the intent.

And that's why he got exonerated for the trafficking charges.

I don't think DeRico would have ever stuck because I don't think Puff was

operating a criminal enterprise around sex trafficking.

Right.

You understand what I'm saying?

Like the Abercrombie and Fitch niggas, they got them niggas dead to rights.

Like, yo, you flying people out for the purpose of selling ass to other people, right?

Commercially, right?

Puff wasn't doing that.

You understand what I'm saying?

So, the Rico thing, I don't think, would have ever stuck.

Um, I think that it was a gray area with regards to the sex trafficking piece.

And again, we've read the charges up here several times, we're gonna have to do that.

But, um, I think that the jury did find a gray area, and I also think the jury took into account the nuance of hip-hop or wealthy men or whatever the case may be

and how their lifestyles are.

You know what I'm saying?

And I think that

justice was served.

His sentencing will determine the extent of the justice, but I think that they got it right.

Because there's no mandatory minimum.

Let's get the sentencing separately.

Okay.

Mel, how you feeling?

I just think that, you know,

for the defense, all they had to do was just was hope for reasonable doubt.

And there just was a lot for the jury to be listening to this.

And there's a juror who's already making the rounds, you know.

The alternate juror or the juror?

The alternate juror.

I saw an alternate juror.

He was already.

Yeah, he's already talking.

He was basically saying that, you know, they watched video of the freak offs, and his word that he used was, it was kind of tame.

And all they did was kind of like pet each other or whatever, whatever words he used.

Sounds like a molly party to me.

Yeah, that's kind of what he made it seem like.

And preset prosecution and defense chose different pieces of the freak off video to present.

Yeah,

so he's saying in both that we saw, yeah, it was pretty tame.

Yeah, I mean, like, when it comes to it looked like consensual, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's what he said, yeah.

When it comes to court cases, it's theater, like, it's theater.

Who presents the best set of, you know, who creates the best storyline and who presents the facts in a way in which the jury is convinced without

reasonable doubt?

And unfortunately, that wasn't done here.

You know, there was just too much gray area with,

you know, contradictory testimony.

And so there's just so much nuance when it comes to what people understand about abuse and coercion.

There's just not enough understanding to

be able to make a decision based around that.

You know, there's some people who can look at this and say, these women were victims or these people were victims.

And there's other people that don't believe that at all.

And then that right there there is the gray area of which we speak.

And that right there is where I could see the jury walking in there and saying, there's too much reasonable doubt here to convict on those particular charges.

Let's have to see how this all plays into like the celebrity boogeyman

trope, you know, which probably started with like the Pizzagate and all that shit.

Yeah.

Like

we now have like footage of one of the biggest celebrity boogeymen that we've seen and he was acquitted on it.

You know what I mean?

Like I feel like celebrities, I certainly get not feeling sorry for them, but I think it's also weird to just automatically assume, oh, he's rich and famous.

He's doing super nefarious shit.

Well,

the opposite could actually be said, you know, because let's take LA County every time that they

that they the celebrity goes on trial for some heinous act

Robert Blake Robert Blakely.

Was that his name?

Don't worry about it.

O.J.

Simpson.

Robert Blake?

Yeah, because it was Bonnie Lee Bakely.

That was his wife that was murdered.

Phil Specter was the first celebrity trial where a guilty verdict was

issued in like 40 years.

So for the most part, celebrities tend to get off.

You know, there's just

that wow factor.

of watching celebrities on

and also buying into who they are, you know, like in the case of like Puff, he's created like the soundtrack to our lives, and so there's that kind of

connection that we feel with them that will, you know, that might sway our decision making, you know, right.

So, yeah, that's just that was just my thoughts on it.

Another thing, this, this would have set a crazy precedent.

Yeah, for sure.

Like, had he been found guilty of sex trafficking, Rico,

the entertainment, just the wealthy person business would have been

floodgate.

Even just like slightly rich people, like,

there's a lot of people that engage in something that could be considered sex trafficking if this were to be set as a precedent.

That's true.

You just want to say, Joe?

No, to Parks' boogeyman trope question, I wanted to say, Torre,

I saw on YouTube, Torre, who has been covering this trial.

In my words, I'll call it kicking Puff's back in for

a while now.

One of Puff's people saw Torre outside of the courthouse.

They filmed it because Torre wanted to film it.

And he said, yo, I spoke to Puff.

He said, No hard feelings.

I wish you well.

No hard feelings.

I understand it's journalism, but I'm not focused on yesterday.

We focused on moving forward and progress and yada, yada, yada.

So they did that.

It's on YouTube to see,

just to speak to what his state of mind may be currently.

Puffs.

Yeah, puffs.

I still get a garage.

Yeah, I saw Torre, too.

I still get a garage for him.

Uber.

You can't do that.

Uber.

You can't do that.

I think Torre would be the

way farther down the list.

I know, you know what I'm saying?

But I think,

in my opinion, I thought of something with regards to the jury selection.

And I think that when the jury was initially announced and the demographic breakdown of the jury, I thought that

we thought that wouldn't serve Puff well.

I think, to the contrary, it served him well.

I think that

the fact that, because I think, how many of them were white?

Nine of them, right?

That may be true.

I think it was I think it was nine initially, and then they kicked one of the black people off, and then

after it was 10.

Regardless, it was a majority.

It was a majority.

Majority white jewelry.

It was a majority white jewelry.

I think when we first heard the breakdown, we were like, damn, he's fucked.

He's screwed.

I think it played the total opposite.

I think that

we look at certain things

because we are, again, connected.

A lot of us are from the urban areas, all that shit, and how this stuff goes.

I think a lot of times those older white people might look at a lot of things black and white.

And I'm not talking about racially black and white, just black and white down the middle.

And I think that when you start to see that

Cassie reached out to him after she was with the dude, right?

I think that played against them.

You know what I'm saying?

Because now it almost looks like, yo, this is consensual.

This is this.

If she has a new boyfriend, why would she dare reach out to him?

And I think they started to look at that shit and it opened up the gray spectrum even wider.

It was already gray, but I think some of those things like that

opened it up even wider.

I think a lot of people are also just freaky and can kind of relate.

If I had a billion dollars, I'd be having sex parties, too.

I'm talking about the control shit.

Right.

The coercion people and all of that stuff.

It's like, yo, dog, if you're being controlled and you got away from them, then why would you want to go back to a freak off?

You get what I'm saying?

Or again, I go back to.

It's clear.

I'm sorry.

It's clear

people didn't see her as a victim.

They didn't.

They saw her as an accomplice.

A participant.

An accomplice.

a girlfriend, just someone who, you know, and you got to be careful with, again, real life and the internet.

Anytime somebody said that on the internet, here y'all came with your fucking, with your fucking

signs and pitchforks ready to kill somebody and stab somebody.

I think it's fair to also say that she was a victim, obviously, of domestic violence.

We saw her on the film.

So it was not maybe a victim, but that was

a lot of people that were trying to tie that.

We see how she was a victim of domestic violence.

So all of this is true as well.

But the problem with that is when it comes to domestic violence and it comes to staying in long-term relationships where there is a history of domestic violence,

that's where the asterisk of coercion comes in.

Because

people who stay in long-term domestic violence relate, you know, in violent relationships, they have learned to

pacify the person that they're with

because they know they are on under the constant threat of violence and so when they understand how to make that person happy and their happiness means equals their safety then they're going to continue to do the things that this person wants to do whether they want to or exactly and and then you know this also brings up the you know the whole idea of

why do people stay or why primarily women, why do women stay in abusive relationships?

There was a lot of stuff that came up, themes that came up in this trial that people don't have enough information about, there's, or they have very specific opinions about, and that's it.

And I think, Mel, I think that worked against the prosecutors.

I feel like a lot of old school people or older people, they're not into the new phrases and new, you know, agreed.

They agreed.

It's one way.

Well, some of these new phrases just piggyback the blame in a weird way.

It's like, but there's a lot of new phrases.

Absolving someone of accountability entirely.

But that's not fair.

Even what I said, I said, yo, after they broke up.

Yes.

After they left.

So while you're there, cool.

You might be doing whatever you got to do, right?

Because you are, again, under constant threat of

physical harm or emotional harm or financial harm.

You got away from this situation, and now we have you

on text saying, yo, let's get together.

So I think in that, just in itself, it's hard for somebody to now look at you like a victim.

And it wasn't just Cassie with that point, right?

Like everybody that they called to the stand to say, to say, hey, he's abusive or I witnessed this or I was around for this.

They fired right back the defense with, did you work for him again?

Did you call him again?

Did you reach out again?

Were you paid by him again?

Like, so it wasn't just Cassie.

It was everybody everybody that they brought up there to tell the story.

There was another story.

So now, to the average juror,

it comes down to this.

If he's this bad, why you keep trying to be around him?

You're not a victim, you're a violent.

That's it.

That's it.

Why you keep coming back if he's this bad?

So now I don't believe that he's this bad.

And again, listen, it's that,

again, they showed the jury these sex tapes, like we said.

Niggas got eyes.

Yeah, especially if they're saying, yo, when we watched in here, ain't that bad.

So you told us about free calls forever.

We finally see one.

It wasn't that bad.

Or we see one where you are voluntarily like, no, smack that thing.

What I saw when you do this, do that.

It's like, yo, dog, were you really being.

Like, I'm not going to say that people need a better understanding of coercion just because the jury found what they found.

I think they saw enough to say.

Or conclude the way

y'all wasn't coerced.

Yeah, like that part.

That part I don't think is that deep.

I don't know why the feds would try to

seem like they loaded up on charges that they just wasn't able to prove.

Yeah, they overshot for sure.

And I think that they did that in hopes that he would plea out.

Absolutely.

Yo, we're going to stack the deck right here.

We're going to give you 59 charges.

We know 47 of them is bullshit, but we're trying to scare your dumbass into taking seven years.

Yeah, but see, now I'm mad at how y'all showed up to my home.

That's all part of the child.

I'm mad about how y'all treated my children.

Bro, we started off saying this is all theater.

Yeah.

No, it was theater, but some of us, me being one of them, thought that, hey, the feds have a 90% yada yada yada.

And if they're showing up this way,

they look like they know what they're looking for.

They being rather.

They don't come unless they got you.

Being normal.

They're being rather aggressive.

So, I mean, it wasn't just

security.

Yeah, it wasn't just psychological for Puff.

It was psychological for the viewing audience as well.

Which is all part of the plan.

Because again, everybody says, yo, dog, the feds don't come unless they got you dead to rights.

So they came.

Even from the hood, that's our understanding of how they move.

That's why a lot of us were sitting there saying they got them.

Yeah.

Before they were.

When we did all that, we came away with some fucking baby oil, and that was the shtick the entire time, bro.

And we kept waiting for them to add.

And the average person don't have enough money to fight them.

You got to think about that, too.

Like, dog, their percentage rate is high, but most people don't have enough money to really go to war with them.

Dog,

if they sat on with no bail, that's psychological.

Most people facing Fed cases may have a lot of money, but that shit is and oh, not just that.

So

a lot of that shit, they'll seize your assets so you can't fight them effectively.

Yeah, dog, y'all pulled me away from the streets, my family, my businesses.

We're gonna break you psychologically by having you sit in MDC.

Y'all drained me of my money.

I sat there for a year like I would be living.

We just saw this with the thug case where his lawyer was like, I can beat them.

Same lawyer.

But we had, no, what I'm saying is, one of them, what I'm saying is, we saw thugs say, yo, I'm going to take the plea because at this point, I just want to go home now.

You see what I'm saying?

So

they want you.

Exactly.

So they stacked the deck against you just to say, yo, take this plea.

They knew they ain't happening.

Can he sue?

Can he sue somebody?

Who are you going to sue?

How?

I don't fucking know.

You got found guilty.

I'm about to say,

you wasn't acquitted on everything.

You got found guilty.

You maybe could sue somebody.

I'm not sure who, but it seems like you can.

Civilly, I think you can do it.

Even what they found me guilty of.

Who are you going to sue civilly?

The feds look stupid saying, we got you on prostitution.

You know how stupid the feds look?

We knew the feds come meddling in.

prostitution.

You know what my issue is, though?

It's a bigger issue that

they called that man a sex trafficker.

And now I start, see, when this happened,

I start to believe the other shit that was being said.

Like, there was a reason why all of this happened.

Yeah.

Now, now, if this is all y'all really had

and y'all stacked the deck to look like all of this, okay, there was a real reason, y'all.

Bro, there were a bunch of rumors floating around.

Like, it's a ton of shit sounds like a deeper reasoning while they're saying that this took place.

Yo, my issue with this whole thing, though, is that people making it seem like Puff's victory is a shot at victims.

And I really have a problem with that.

I don't think that

the victory takes anything away from victims, but some people are complicit in what they do.

And I feel like that gray line

needs to be explained and explored more.

If you have the tapes and seeing the actions and the text messages, not saying somebody can't be a victim in that time, but they try to loop everyone up, victims up into one big circle and one big pot and it shouldn't be like that and i'm gonna i'm gonna keep it a buck some

don't be wanting to say if you start talking about organized crime right and him running a ring she was a part of

the the criminal enterprise oh no people are saying that like yo fam if you're gonna say let's say hypothetically you take john gotti and somebody's working on behalf of John Gotti.

Let's say they fear John Gotti.

Cool.

Cassie's working under the fear of puff.

When John Gotti goes to jail, Johnny know-no's goes to jail too.

He can't get up there and say, yo, dog, I was only doing this because my boss was making me.

Unless he gets immune

for the testimony, yeah.

Cool.

So when you start talking about that, people are saying, yo, Cassie was the person booking the guests.

Cassie was the person paying the guests.

So now Cassie or whomever is now a part of the criminal enterprise that y'all sending Puff to jail for.

Instructing the guests.

See, because again,

and people got up there and testified to such.

Yeah, but it's saying that you know, and there's some people that's gonna say that she did that under like she was caught.

That's what I just wanted to do.

That's what I just said.

I know, but that's where the real conversations need to be had.

But that we can't really have because now you think about this:

dude said, Yo, when he got to the door, she opened up the door

naked with some heels on.

I can't speak to her mental state of mind when she's doing that.

I can't.

But factually,

somebody's looking like yo, dog, you was with the shits.

You was playing.

You was with the shits.

And I think we can't really, again, insist.

Why is it so bad to ever say that?

I don't, I just, bro, I don't know.

Because now you look like the misogynistic man.

That's not.

No, you look like the misogynistic man that's not taking into account this woman's abuse and why she might have had to succumb to that.

Yep.

Yeah.

Which could be accurate, but the could is the part that makes you not go to jail.

Yep.

They can say drugs play the part.

They can say different views.

I have different views as well.

They can say drugs play a part.

They can say

being in love play the part just wanting to please your partner and not wanting to get them upset.

There's so many nuances when it comes to these things of why a person does that.

I feel like if a person has a vivid memory and say, I did this and they acknowledge that they did it, I feel like to put a psychological blame on it, it just takes away from the person's accountability.

I think there's no way, and now that we

rehash some of the testimony, I don't see how somebody can say, yo, there was not a reasonable doubt present.

Mel, you had something to say about it, man?

No,

you guys had already said it, like

the domestic violence angle.

I mean, like, that is just, it's a pervasive,

an important part of this whole sordid fucking story.

You know, and then from watching the video, that was not the first time, not even close.

And there was a lot of testimony from other people that indicated that they had been witnesses to, you know, to him beating her.

So

that is, it's a major factor in this.

We've come to the end.

The jury's made their decision,

but that is a major factor.

You know, when Mark was here, he was just like,

we've all known that Puff was a piece of shit for a really long time.

And the shit that he should have been,

maybe faced criminal charges on over the course of his 30 years in the business, he did not face charges for.

He's facing charges for this shit, which

even that, to an extent, is media propaganda.

It's conjecture.

It's conjecture.

How many people really know that Puff was a piece of shit?

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Like, I have heard

since 1998.

We heard shit.

Whatever you've heard about puffs.

That don't just etch in stone that somebody is a piece of shit for me.

Like,

we need more than that.

We can't just keep saying everybody knew and no one did nothing.

No, no.

Everybody didn't know all the way.

And

everybody was not in the place or position.

There's no

level's a piece of shit.

But

he's saying that you have to be thrown in jail.

He should have been thrown in jail years ago, like, what, for being an asshole?

Was he doing illegal things?

Exactly.

Exactly.

Just being a piece of shit means you go to jail.

Well, I mean,

well, for example, that video.

Take that, for example.

If that had been made available two weeks after, he definitely would have faced criminal charges for that.

That's what I'm saying.

That's what I'm saying.

And then every almost every single artist under Bad Boy, them talking about their experiences working with him and just basically how they ended up broke and he ended up rich and they've ended up death.

suitable.

No, that's not.

But no, what I'm saying is when we're talking about calling somebody a piece of shit, there's various reasons as to various means in which somebody can determine you're a piece of shit.

That is one thing.

But at some point, it's time to show and prove.

At some point, we can't just take the conjecture to conjecture and make it match.

Right, like we sit there and say puff a piece of shit, but a contract shit.

Y'all sign, you know, my stance.

Y'all signed these contracts.

You signed it.

Also, that's not a shameless thing.

This is stealing from he should have been in jail years ago, but like that's not jail wrong.

If I legally robbed somebody, I'm a piece of shit for that.

For sure.

If I took advantage of Mel's situation, Mel sleeping on somebody's couch, right?

Mel can sing her ass off.

I know Mel can sing her ass off.

I know Mel's going to be a star.

Mel, you sleeping on somebody's couch.

You want this 200 grand or not?

Right?

Is it predatory?

Yes.

Was it a piece of shit?

Yeah.

Is it illegal?

No.

Is it immoral?

Maybe.

But now Mel goes on to make $10 million.

When I found you, you was on somebody's couch.

I made a billion.

You made $5 million.

But...

What I'm referring to in terms of illegality is the video.

Oh, no.

And statute of limitations, et cetera, and prior criminal activity

that nobody could prove until they saw it.

But even under the video is a misdemeanor.

I was about to say Melissa.

Even though

it's a

domestic violence charge.

It's horrible.

It's horrible.

I saw him kick this 90-pound girl on the ground, my nigga.

It's horrible.

Any one of us had the sister that was getting kicked on the ground, we might want the nigga's head, yes.

But for him to go spend the rest of his life in a cell behind him beating on his girl, I just think.

That was going to be a tough sale.

It was going to be a tough sale.

That was going to be a tough sale.

And again,

I'm not caping for him at all.

I'm not caping for him at all.

I'm just saying,

dog, like we can't give a nigga life in jail because we saw, in my opinion, because we saw him.

Well, that video and his lawyers and defense acknowledging that he was an abuser played a part into him why he didn't get bailed this last time.

The judge, while I was in there, the judge stated that you guys admitted that he's an abuser.

You guys admitted that we have video.

And he said, even though the video and you guys' admittance won't play a role in my sentencing to him, you guys admitted this.

So he still can pose a danger to this person or that person.

I mean, I read Cassie's

paper.

She sent a letter to keep him in.

I read it.

They passed it out to all of us.

And,

you know, I felt that he should have gotten bailed because the defense brought up four different cases of people that got found guilty of sex trafficking that got bailed.

But then the judge stated, well,

there was no violence involved in that.

There was no admittance of domestic abuse involved in that.

So this is why he should stay in.

So

i think it's a small price to pay i think because i think that they used the fact that he's a piece of shit and abusive and all that shit to their advantage in the court the defendants exactly because they're like listen he's a piece of shit but he is not that so i think that you pay the price of staying in jail for another couple months like fuck it you know this helped me win because i i even think that's bullshit why

I think if you tried to paint him out as a completely innocent human being, he would have had a tougher time in court.

Yeah, you'd never

pox.

I think think you lose if you do that yeah i think with regards to the bail situation

i think

and my theory isn't mine i think it'll be tested once we hear the sentencing true right i think that if this man is on camera doing all these things and we have all these testimonies doing all these things and now puff goes home after six months because they can give him time serve he can come home on probation

right and that's what i think it's leaning toward i think he's leaning toward getting probation, some monitored stuff, some drug programs, and all of that stuff, right?

Cool.

But if the man sat in jail for six months after we laid out all this state funded, federal funding, and all of this shit, and for him to only go sit for five or six months, I think that the people look crazy.

So I think they gave him an additional four months.

They're going to say, yo, he sat in jail for a year.

We're going to give him time, served.

He served a year, go home.

I think after five months, him only sitting, because he got locked up in September.

Well, the prosecutor seven months I think that's that the the the everybody looks the prosecutor are waiting for the prosecutor and the judge they're waiting for the conversation with probation so once probation had once they have a pro conversation with probation they're trying to speed up the trial date

yes the sentence date was october 3rd but they're trying to speed it up to july so once the prosecutor said once they have a conversation with probation and probation comes up with an understanding we're willing to oh i didn't know that um yeah yeah i didn't know know that monday right yeah monday so

we shall see you goddamn right i heard puff was saying no i want to speak to the judge yeah i heard that too i heard him like yo let me talk to him uh i agree with everything you said about uh maybe time served uh is gonna happen so yeah you got to sit in there for a year or october what's the max on his charge 10 years 10 years 10 27 months each charge no the max is 15.

yeah the max is 56 56 months, and then

he got a clean record and all that.

Yeah, that's what I was going to say.

Like, first time offender, all of that type of shit.

I think the two charges they said would, if he was to do max time for both, they would run concurrent or whatever time for both, because they're kind of the same crime.

I didn't think he was getting the bail just because

now we got all this egg on our face.

Now

you made us look real stupid.

You made us look real dumb.

It took a major L.

We spent a lot of money.

I called a lot of witnesses.

I read somewhere that usually a case like this, they would have like two prosecutors or three prosecutors.

They had six.

Yeah.

Like

a lot of energy, a lot of manpower on this.

It was a white guy in there, because my mom is crazy.

But there was a white guy in there sitting behind us saying, oh, yeah, look at this.

Can you imagine six white women against this black man?

Look at the Karens.

And

people were agreeing with him, but the people that wasn't on Puff Side were maddening them.

Yeah, it was crazy.

It's crazy in there.

You had absolutely nothing now.

You've done exposed all my private, dirty

business.

Do you think that he has a chance to sue them?

Because I thought the same thing you thought.

No, he got lost.

No, but he got lost.

Yes.

He lost.

But there's a lot of things that came out of that.

If we're going to use a psychological standpoint, right?

And yo, from what I suffered from, he also had the psychology.

He also could say he suffered from.

He lost.

He didn't.

Not really.

Damn.

If he got found innocent, then he might be open people look at whatever you endured as a criminal It's par for the course like you use my personal business you you you exposed me to the world.

Not only that you

you

Brought you exposed me to the world and on top of exposing me to the world the charges that you tried to charge me with didn't warrant that you had no proof of what you were trying to charge me with So you don't think that he can sue over that your defense proved that we were wrong in court.

Okay.

When niggas get 40 charges again we might only prove two of them got it yo when you when you go to jail and you sleep on a hard-ass cement floor with no mat

people look at it like yo dog you're in jail you're not at the country club you in jail right it's supposed to be hard you're in jail got it so most people don't really have sympathy for you i know niggas that told me they was locked up in the with the windows was broke they had to sleep in their coats

literally had to sleep in their coats So sometimes they'll come in, like, oh, yo, y'all, under these conditions, we'll deduct XYZ off your time.

My little cousin was locked up during COVID.

People was dying during COVID in the jail.

They gave some of them a little bit off to their sentences, but

the average citizen looks at it like, yo, fam, you're in jail.

They don't have sympathy for you.

Got you.

You know, a question I had about this.

When they raided his crib,

the one in LA,

you know, they listed all the shit they found.

It was assault rifles with D-Fay cereals.

named.

We never heard a people about that.

Well, they said, well, I read all the weapons found were registered illegal weapons.

Yeah, I heard that too.

Deface cereal?

Propaganda.

And that's what, but you get what I'm saying?

That's what I'm saying.

Also, maybe

early reporting.

You know what I mean?

They may not have

had the full information.

The cereal might be somewhere else.

So you throw this information out to the city.

Throw it out there.

This is what I'm saying.

We found the drugs, but it's a lot of theory.

People said that the baby oil had a chemical in it that would

it was like a rape drug in the chemical

bro all of those things that we got to sway the public opinion like I and it's further I'm starting to believe that conspiracy I'm telling you I can say what's happening I believe and I think whoever

conspiracy it was the broadcast is too big for us to go into some of that stuff

But dog they said a lot of shit they the one conspiracy was

TRCO owes him two billion dollars and they did this to send him away all of that stuff Yeah, you know what I mean?

Like, a lot of this stuff that

once you see how it played out.

Again, they said,

yo, he has a chemical in all of the lube.

That was a report.

Like, they did testing on all of the lube, and it was a chemical in there.

None of that stuff came up in the trial.

I think this was all essentially media.

I think the state and the feds felt pressure because all the shit became public with the camera and the lawsuit from Cassie, all that shit.

And they felt pressured to fucking put all their trials.

I was going to say, I think think that's why.

I was gonna say, that's all our fault.

This is an indictment on our society and what we find entertaining.

This is all a reflection of the bloodlust that we have for gladiator games.

That's what this is.

So, this is our fault.

So, when you find yourself in a situation like Puff where you're facing quote-unquote trumped up charges, all of the theater that goes along with these high-profile fucking cases, whether it's like somebody accused of serial murder, like the

Idaho motherfucker, or, you know, Gilgo Beach.

We're learning everything

as every single fact gets, you know, gets discovered.

True crime is one of the most popular genres.

It's probably the most popular genre of entertainment.

No, in every way, shape, and form.

Documentaries, movies,

everything.

And so this is an indictment on what we find entertaining.

All of this.

We go back to the Kobe trial.

When Kobe got accused of the rape stuff, they said that the prosecution knew he was never going to trial.

They didn't have enough evidence to take him to trial.

They let it extend because they said that all of the hotels were booked.

All of the restaurants were booked.

The cabs, all of that stuff.

That little ass town was making so much money that they stretched it as long as they could because they knew they didn't have enough to indict them.

True crime, court TV, it's a multi-billion dollar fucking.

Again, you got every reporter from all around the world,

Colorado in this little ass town reporting on this stuff.

So everything is booked.

And that's just where we are as a society.

How do you guys feel about the people

that are now

hoping that he went to jail and get found guilty, but are now on the opposite side?

I think that speaks to society, too.

I think that women go through so much shit

that us as men sometimes can't identify with

that this was almost like a

he gonna suffer for everything that we've endured.

Yeah, but people are switching sides.

You know what I mean?

Now that the big charge, the Rico charge, he got found out guilty, not guilty on that.

I see some people that were hoping that he go to jail standing on the other side.

Regular Joes or Celebrity?

I don't know about celebrity.

I'm talking about regular Joes in real time.

I'm talking about when I first went there to the courthouse, what some people were saying, and now that

that happened.

A lot of people just want to be on the right side of things.

So like, if they were standing there, yeah,

he's going to do this.

I think it would have been the other way, too.

Do you feel that with what some folks would have, no, he's going to beat it, he's going to beat it.

And then if he came out and they found him guilty on everything, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

People do that.

Do you feel crazy?

Do you feel like there's a pressure to follow others?

Meaning that to follow what people may

follow the right side.

I don't think that there's a pressure.

I just think people do it.

People just follow the crowd.

I mean,

what are the next steps for Puff?

I've been wondering that a lot.

If I'm him,

I get back to business.

Like, we can't deny that he's one of the

most assertive, aggressive people we've seen in business.

So, I think that once he sets his mind to some shit, I don't think you could really deny him.

If I'm him, I just get low.

I spend the time with my family.

Hopefully, he's detoxed, you know what I'm saying?

And drug-free and sober and all of those things.

And I just think that

he'll get, he's a moneymaker, bro.

I think he'll just get back to business.

I don't think that it's going to be as big of a black eye as people think.

I don't see him getting low.

I don't think you get low.

I got found guilty of the prostitution that

a lot of the industry does.

That's true.

So a lot of my contemporaries ain't really looking at me as a bad guy right now.

No, that's not true.

He beat that girl on camera and we all saw it.

That is a black eye to your personal brand, your persona, all of those things.

The criminal charges,

unfortunately.

We don't give a shit about that.

Unfortunately.

Because I think people care less about the criminal charges.

There are a lot of statements being made.

I think that people care more about the DV video footage than any of this travel.

But I'm talking about...

Everybody paid for some of them.

I think people are still going to fuck with Puff.

Oh, I think so, too.

Musically, I I agree.

I think he don't miss a beat, and I think a lot of them niggas did do that too.

That's true, too.

And just didn't get caught.

Yeah, that's true.

Again,

I think he cares less about the prostitution piece.

Agreed.

Like so.

Niggas brag about every day about tricking.

Like, that ain't nothing.

I think that the.

Shit, the welcome home volunteer.

The good ones.

The good ones.

I think the DV piece is still a black eye to him.

I think he feels embarrassed embarrassed by the DV piece.

So I think he'll address it.

He'll probably do some reparation, like reputational reparation.

Yeah, he's going to do some rehab, counseling.

Maybe, maybe connects himself with a domestic violence organization.

You think he's genuine?

Two agreements.

I agree.

I don't.

I'll tell you why I don't.

I'm going to tell you why I don't.

I remember how he responded with the charges when she first filed.

Publicist games.

He still did it.

Publicist games or not he could have said no

we sat up here and said his public where was his publicist his publicist shouldn't would never have let him do that he did that on in on his own accord then i remember once the like like now it's oh they know okay i can't behave so i don't i think he's gonna do what he got to do to be able to report puff was high all these are reports like

even

This is what I said to talk because Torade told me the same thing when I was talking to him, and he tried to say he's a sociopath.

But I said, you don't think that he can change?

You don't think that him sitting down, seeing his business go out there, seeing this happen, that he could want to change and want better for himself?

Sociopathy is a personality disorder.

Yeah, that's what he told me.

But I said, I don't, I don't, I don't necessarily get too much of that going on, too.

Psychology, enough, enough of y'all, yo.

Wait, enough.

Psychology, but he said that.

When the fuck do y'all get enough?

Y'all are not, y'all on WebMD going nuts now.

Y'all can't just keep diagnosing people with what the fuck you think they got.

You don't know these people.

We're using really big words.

Psychologists.

They don't even know what I mean.

What they mean.

No, they know what they mean because they've read it up.

But psychologists, everybody's sociologists.

I don't think Torre is credible enough to call Puff a socio-nothing, nigga.

Sit down for a minute.

We do it.

Go gather yourself.

Oh.

Sorry, y'all.

I asked the same question.

No, we do.

I think that's the thing.

The narcissist term, the misogynist term, the incel, all we are in a society where these psychological terms niggas went the work.

Let me ask you.

Deflection.

Now, who's to say that he hasn't done the work?

His lawyer said that he did.

His lawyer said that he was doing the work before he went in.

He was doing some of the work.

Going to some of the programs when he knew that when we told him that the feds were coming, he aligned himself with different programs.

His lawyer said that.

I'm just saying, nobody knows.

He might have did it before the feds.

In his apology video he said that he in therapy and getting some help doing yada yada yada and he may have done it even before that but all we know is that a really really really horrible domestic violence video came out yeah that is dated 2016.

that's it

that we know that we know with absolute certainty yeah yeah that's it

anything else is hearsay we don't we don't know for sure We saw that.

I don't stand in that people can't change.

That's not my opinion.

I'm with you.

I agree.

And I said that same thing.

That's not where I come from.

And I think

it's too easy today

to

write somebody off completely.

To make somebody a villain, even if they're villainess.

Well, social media is the pitchfork

mob.

They don't allow growth on social media.

You are who you are.

At your lowest, that's who you forever are.

I agree with Joe.

I feel like we try to use these big words to sort of

mask the fact that we are human beings and people go through things and they will do the work to change.

It's also a deflection of accountability.

I feel like if you're high, I feel like by sitting down, you become sober, you become like, I don't want to be back here.

I don't want my business to be back.

I feel like all of that could be rock bottom.

I feel like all of that plays a part.

I don't know what sociopath means.

So when he said it to me,

he just said it's a mind thing.

You're a sociopath.

I don't think that this would have changed him.

He's gonna go out and do the same thing.

This is what he told me.

And I don't agree.

He's basically somebody who knows the difference between right and wrong and doesn't give a fuck.

They lack empathy and

they have no conscience.

So then you don't give, so except you would only give a fuck about your family.

Because you can't say you don't give a fuck if you have children that you love.

So that sort of contradicts each other.

Well, no, not exactly.

It's like knowing the difference between right and wrong and not caring about that, not having empathy

for causing somebody pain.

Like that's essentially bare bones explanation.

Yeah.

See, I don't even think that normal people should be giving it.

If you're not

credited

and

because you can't just call somebody something, you got to speak to them.

You got to get information.

You can't just keep watching somebody on the internet and say, you're a sociopath.

They call me a sociopath for how I act on love hip-hop.

Like, enough now.

That's facts.

Yeah.

We can't just keep doing that, is all I'm saying.

I agree.

You're not one.

I mean, shoot, it could be right.

I don't know.

But I mean,

a doctor, I done sat in front of a lot of doctors, and nobody ever used that word.

Because then you know what,

you know, I think if you do, you know right from wrong.

And we see you sometimes say, yo, that's wrong.

I was wrong.

I mean, sometimes in the moment, we, ah,

but then you can realize that, yo, that was wrong.

And hopefully when he comes home,

he'll continue to do the work that needs to be done.

That's the thing about work.

It's never done.

It's never done.

So hopefully he'll continue to do the work.

Real, real proud and happy day for his family.

I'm sure his sons are happy.

His kids,

his daughters, his mom,

and puff supporters.

There are many of them.

So real happy day for them.

Maybe not the happiest day for

anyone who this case has triggered.

Yeah.

Sure.

Right.

Because there are abuse victims out out there that had to read shit, see shit, hear shit, be brought back to things.

So, and and some people feel like the verdict in this is somewhat a reminder of why

abuse victims don't come forward, don't try to pursue legal action with their...

I think that's unfair, yo.

Like, I was talking to my mom about that, man.

Like, she was yelling at,

what's his, the lady's name, his lawyer,

the black lady.

My mom was arguing with her or yelling at her, saying that she doesn't sympathize with victims.

And I told my mom, I think that's wrong.

I think that to loop up all victims in a situation like that is wrong.

And I feel like people that do that are doing a disservice to victims.

I agree.

It's a disservice.

Like, that lady was doing her job.

I don't think that she doesn't sympathize with victims, but she's doing a job.

And to put that on her is wrong, number one.

Number two, all victims don't share the same story.

So we cannot loop up, oh, I'm a victim.

And every crime not the same.

Exactly.

I think the charges in general were a disservice to victims because they weren't charging him with the thing that the whole world looked at they were charging him with a whole bunch of other shit that was irrelevant to the domestic abuse trying to prey on them yeah exactly parks

that's a good point

i i just think that the severity too for every crime should not be the same you know what i'm saying like if i come punch parks in the face and then I shoot Joe, like, yo, everybody, they're victims.

But the severity for me punching you and the severity for him shooting Joe, they are totally different punishments that should be handed down.

I just don't think it's just a blank slate.

For sure.

And I think that that's

bad justice.

It's not

just.

You know what time it is, right?

Yeah.

You don't look too happy about this.

How do you feel?

The real conversation still can never really be happy.

Because I see it in your face.

You can never fucking.

But you can if you want to.

Nah.

We can just edit it out.

Nah.

Keep a pay-per-view.

And nah.

But

I mean, listen, you can't, especially here.

I get you.

I get it.

I understand what you're saying.

You do want to, you do, you do.

You do want to celebrate.

Men kind of do want to celebrate history not being able to be rewritten on you.

Because there's just been a trend recently

of that happening and working and being successful at it.

Like outside of Hove and Busby, that might have been the only case we heard where,

you know,

it went a little different.

But no, it threw it up.

It's not the first one.

There's several.

During the whole hashtag Me Too thing, a lot of men were being taken down and there was a few like Aziz Ansari

and Jeremy Piven was another one where they accusations were leveled at them and they were like oh hell no fuck no and they fought tooth and nail those are two that I can think of Chris Brown

accusations came and he had all of the messages and everything different they threw it out it's different because he

because he had the proof yeah that's what we think if he didn't have the proof they would have put that boy on the skewers

jay-z didn't jay-z just shot right back at busby like it didn't even go to, you get what I'm saying?

Yeah, but it was because it was still proof in when the person said they recanted kind of their story.

Because it was like, yo, you, I did what?

Well, I don't have to go back.

Oh, okay, okay, okay.

I'm just saying, there are examples, though.

Yeah.

Of people who have, like.

And Jeremy Piven is white.

Like, I think your thing is a little bit more than.

Aziz.

I'm sorry, he's brown.

Your shit is giving you a drink.

Aziz didn't do shit.

No, I know.

What did Aziz do?

A bad date.

Yeah, what did it?

Yeah, you had a bad date.

Yeah.

But I mean, like, it was being packaged as

I don't even know what the fuck they were trying to call that.

But even women were like, uh-uh-uh-uh-uh, don't even try to align yourself with real victims.

Like that shit, even women were like, no.

As a matter of fact, the magazine that put that out, I think that was their first and only issue, the story where they interviewed the quote-unquote victim, because it was just so bad.

See, that's really what that's the real comment for a minute do you think america looks at dead gang members as victims

probably no absolute probably not no oh you you won't i had a conversation avid pot fam of my homegirls avid pot fam she's an attorney hey girl right she's an attorney too so we broken down she said to mel's point because she told me that i me and mel had this back and forth early on in the show and where um i was like dog anything that cassie is doing now it could she could stub her toe and are blaming puff right and so my homegirl just went crazy yo y'all don't understand and i'm like yo dog she called him after she got with her new dude and she was like stockholm syndrome and she went through all of these terms and i said let me ask you a question i said if a young black man goes out or any man for that matter that grew up in a fucked up circumstance grows out and they kill somebody Do you look at like they should go to jail?

And she said, absolutely.

I said, so why do you not look at the environment that this kid grew up in and the trauma that this kid faced?

Because now he's growing up in a jungle.

So now to survive in a jungle, you become a fucking lion or a wolf.

And so now these actions that he learned in this environment, now why do they not exonerate him?

And she sat there and was quiet and she was like,

I'll get back to you on that one.

Like, yo, dog,

to your point with the gang shit, we don't look at them like they are a victim of environment or circumstance or anything else.

And I don't want to equate the two, like because that's be disrespectful to Cassie I'm just saying we don't ever look at it with regards to that like these kids are growing up in these environments and these environments are making them at a young age become this but here's the crazy part when it comes to black and brown people specifically men it it's

look for e look for moments of early criminalized behavior with white boys like school shooters and shit let's look down his life to see where he was harmed or experienced some trauma.

It's really fucked up and so contradictory.

But the fact of the matter is, is that sometimes the education of what you were first disposed to, it plays a major role and factor in the things that you do.

We don't take that into account with

people.

You can't say nothing to pops.

Pops do what he wants.

That's why I love you.

Shit, right there, boy.

You can't say nothing to him.

He's trying to look around at us.

We ain't doing it.

We ain't running water.

You can't say nothing to the OG.

Idiots made food for us.

Words.

We could fly.

We could.

We could.

Oh, man.

I'm not saying nothing to him because we still got our graduation BB.

By the way, I want to thank the half of y'all in this room because don't think I didn't hear it that agreed with me.

Thank you.

Hey, take that

college PhD shit down the street, big dog.

Yeah,

take that shit somewhere.

Anyway, what was I saying just now?

Oh, y'all was talking.

Yeah, but I ain't really want to.

Because you got to think about what Mel just said, but people don't.

I didn't even understand what Mel just said.

Well, no, I was applying it to your example of.

I was ordering Stromboli.

All right.

Yeah.

Chipotle.

That's true.

I was applying it to your example where you asked our

gang members who get murdered victims.

I was applying it to that example.

Gotcha.

Favorite part of the show.

No,

I don't want no problems, bro.

My brain is going crazy.

Yeah, well, I'm good.

I'm a sucker.

I'm Howard the Coward.

Howard the Coward?

Mm-hmm.

Who the hell is that?

Yeah.

Should me.

What did you mean?

Making shit up.

Oh, nigga shit.

Sorry.

Oh, man.

All right.

Well, I guess it's time for my favorite part of the show.

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Okay, so the room thinks Puff is bouncing back without a problem.

I do.

Welcome to a low.

Well received.

I don't know about well received.

I think he's going to, his public image is going to be in turmoil, but I think that he'll be business-wise.

Like you said, he's a businessman.

He's going to get to it.

Yeah.

Okay.

No distractions.

I think I hope he gets low for a minute.

Like I think even some of the shit that he did before they came and got him, I think some of that shit hurt him.

You know what I mean?

Like that Braggadocious thing.

I even heard people talking about his kids and how they were rejoicing outside.

Like a lot of people looked at that in a way.

No, fuck that.

I'm rejoicing in my pops.

Listen,

it depends on the onlooker.

A lot of people looked at that shit in a way.

Cool, but I just beat a Rico.

Well, or pops just beat a Arico.

Yeah.

Okay.

Where he was facing the rest of his life.

Niggas missed their dad.

My dad was facing life.

We've been out here pressing niggas.

We've been out here stepping in niggas.

Yeah, I want dad to come on.

Okay.

Sorry.

And he did the little spin and dance with his sister who,

yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry.

The kids, I mean, and all, they got a right to celebrate.

What happens to...

All of the rest of the people that took the stand.

We already getting some of the

male escorts doing interviews.

What happens with Cassie?

What happens to

some of the other people that took the stand?

I think we're getting a lot of books.

There's gonna be a lot of books.

It's gonna be a lot of books.

Books and docks.

Books and docks.

Books and docks.

I think Cassie will be.

I mean, she already got 20,

but I think.

No, she got more than that because she sued the hotel for 10.

I did hear that too.

Yeah.

I did hear that.

Pays to be a victim.

Okay.

I think she'll in.

take it out i don't care no i think she'll start going getting more movie roles and shit like that maybe yeah like i think just off the the the sympathy plea she's beautiful fam so i think she'll definitely start to get some more some more um acting jobs i don't i think the opposite i i again bro i think a lot of people fuck with puff and still do

and i think

The silence of a lot of people said that.

So I think that people's like, yo, I don't like that.

Because Because again, like the jury,

they don't necessarily believe you were full-out victim of all of this.

Yes, they still do believe you're not.

She's a TV victim, yes.

TV victim, yes.

So it's people like, yo, you went up there, you did this, y'all tried to set them up with those charges.

People ain't really, she ain't in, she's not going to be in a lot of people's favor.

People feel like she got $30 million.

We'll see.

And yeah, and she was made whole.

That's how people feel.

You got to pay out.

We will see.

Indeed.

We'll see.

Thoughts and prayers to anybody who needs it out there.

For sure.

It's the 5th of July.

Niggas at cookouts.

I ain't trying to depress anybody.

Yeah.

Have some fun.

All right, cool.

What's fun?

What's fun that they need our assistance with?

Malik Beasley.

He ran up a tab at the barbershop.

He needed a lot of assistance.

No, he ran up a tab everywhere.

Everywhere he went.

The dentist, the barber shop.

Malik Beasley.

How much is the barbershop?

30, 30, 30, something?

100?

100?

$27,000.

What?

What type of haircuts he is?

Nice face.

I ain't going to hold you.

Some nice fans.

They let a bill get that long

at the barbershop.

I know you're rich.

30-something grand for that.

That's fucking crazy.

$29,000 some shit.

The hairline ain't even sharp like that, dog.

I'm a brokey fan.

My little hundred dollars.

Malik Beasley is a basketball player.

Last year played for the Pistons, and they're getting him out the paint, saying that

he was

doing some sports betting shit with

gambling, sports betting shit, and just wasn't moving.

He fucked it up.

He did the Porter package thing.

Yeah.

Allegedly.

So it's coming out.

Reports are coming out with just how broke he was.

They're saying at the end of it, the dentist was garnishing

his Pistons check.

That I don't understand.

I'm confused about.

Why?

Malik Beasley has made over $60 million in his career.

All right.

You pay who you want to pay.

Could have fucked it up, too.

And you pay who you want to pay.

I don't know what his last contract was.

So just for conversation's sake, let's call it $7 million.

Yeah.

If he owes the dentist or whoever that was 30 grand,

how is his check being garnished from the NBA?

Because what will happen is the dentist would file a judgment.

Like if somebody owes me rent money and they don't pay me, I go downtown, I file a claim, then we go to court.

That's how you handle it?

Oh, okay, bitch.

Oh, I thought you put hands and feet on niggas.

I thought they knew nothing.

Hey, girl, whatever the fuck you are, God.

But yo, so you go down, you file a judgment.

If you win the judgment, then the court will now start to slowly garnish some of your earnings from wherever you work.

But what happens is, if they, let's say you owe somebody 30 grand, the judgment might take $300 a month from them, $400 a month from them.

They might, they ain't not going to say, you'll take the whole $30 million.

They'll take a portion.

Yeah, they'll take a small portion.

Got it.

They take a portion.

How does somebody get that broke?

Making $7 million a year or whatever.

Vices.

Bad gambling.

Vices, but no lifestyle.

Because you remember they said

you bring home maybe

40-something cent per dollar.

30-something cent per dollar.

So we're looking at it $7 million.

He don't really make $7 million.

And Beakley, I just drew that number $7 million.

I think part of it.

I don't know what he makes.

uh last year or seven it was seven seven million

so he don't make seven he's made 60 million into his career in nine years yeah watched a million man we saw the esp and broke all

like how much was how much did antoan walker make during his whole career like a hundred fucking million yeah

so again once uncle sam takes his

then you balling out of control bad investment you you um you fluent him out you know what i'm saying like yo dog all of that matters.

Yeah, see, somebody gave you the promise, yo, you give me five right here to start this business up in two years.

I got a real estate hell on it over here.

You shouldn't

do that.

You should hire professionals.

No, they do be professionals.

Yeah, that's true.

They crack your head.

Niggas got signage, offices, all that shit.

They'll tear your fucking ass up.

So, no, I mean, I don't think it's that hard.

It would be hard for me, but it ain't hard for him necessarily to run through that shit.

Your lifestyle will be crazy.

These niggas are nuts, yo.

No, nigga, if you're single, you'll run through it.

If I was single, I'd run through what?

Your mind.

$3 million a year.

Easy.

That's not true.

What are you talking about?

That's not true.

How do you think your life would be different if you were single right now?

It'd be a constant state of despair and misery.

When I hear that, because I'm just so elated that I'm just battling that loneliness.

That's right.

recklessness,

no responsibility,

it probably ends in death or in jail.

Oh, yeah,

maybe it just keeps me even keeled.

Yeah, yeah, you wouldn't be grounded anymore.

Yeah, all of that.

No, electricity.

But

it wouldn't be no running through money.

I'm really good with money.

$3 million a year.

You crazy?

Yeah, we can tell you're good with money.

I don't know why it's just blowing up his bitch.

I am phenomenal with money.

Phenomenal is relative.

But it's cool.

Yo, dog, niggas be taking care of their whole families.

Shit like that.

Like, dog, it's not really hard to do that.

Niggas live in big-ass houses and drive the nicest cars.

I do want to interview his barber.

I do want to hear from the barber.

I just want to know the rate, at least.

Same.

37 vans?

37.

That's like more than I've spent on barbers my entire life.

Before we got a point, a lot of niggas fly they barber in.

Yeah, okay.

Like, I remember

my barber was cutting Ross and Khaled and them here.

That nigga ain't used to be there.

Like, them niggas, he got to go.

So I had to switch barbers.

Like, dog, them niggas don't be available because when them niggas pay so much that when they tell you to come, pause, you got to go.

So you but so the barber booking his flight and billing you, and then you're not paying him back.

Got it.

G-score just dropped some more.

That part.

I did.

You let your barber leave to go cut Ross while you needed a 1A.

Hey, man.

You let your barber leave.

Who else your barber was cut?

Who else your barber left you for?

Khaled.

Ross.

I know he was cutting Khaled.

Your barber left you for Khaled?

Yeah.

I'm getting a free flight to Miami.

I don't know what this nigga's paying him.

Yeah.

I wasn't mad.

Nigga, go get that bank.

What?

Nigga, your boss will leave you too, nigga.

Let Pharrell call him.

That nigga be right in Paris.

Jaw.

Right at the Louis Vuitton.

Jaw.

Jaw.

Putting the Louis Vuitton cape on him.

Yeah, word.

Fuck out of here.

And the real Louis Vuitton, that bullshit that began.

So long as when you start talking about flights and shit,

it could run up.

That's true.

That's crazy.

I was just like a rhetorical question for me.

I don't give a fuck how the nigga got broke.

Like, I don't really want to investigate.

You don't give two fucks about how Malik Beasley got broke.

Holy shit.

Some of yours.

Oh, work.

I don't know what you're saying.

It's all right, dog.

Nothing else.

But it's not right on a broadcast.

Some of your old workers tapped the nigga out.

Oh, with tap Mali.

Well, shit, if the barber tapped him out,

then he gonna stand a chance.

Tough to tap him out.

Yeah, well, them Dykeman Devils, them Dikeman Devils, they need a team.

Man, where are you going after this?

Speaking of tapping some shit out, huh?

To a little abashment.

Hey.

Okay, Stella.

All right.

You got your Sandra D pumps on.

You took off the fishnet sevens.

I got to shut up.

up.

The mails.

I really like my little ballet slippers.

I call these the Blanche Devereaux.

Or that.

Yeah.

You remember when she already put the on grease?

She threw the cigarette down and did that?

She had them shits off.

A little leathery.

It's a little leathery.

Malcopped all the Stella McCarter.

Go ahead.

Killing that shit.

These are actually Jimmy Choo.

Hey.

Stop playing with Big Man.

Very name, Brandon.

Bash, man.

All right, what else is important?

What else is important?

Unimportant.

I can tell that y'all want to go home.

That's so.

Don't worry.

Yeah, don't worry.

We're going to find some topics.

Of course, of course.

Now, we was talking on.

Do fish have a better chance of living in the desert?

Saltwater.

Oh, man.

I'd like to hear, I'd like to hear.

I'd like to hear first world problems from each of you.

What is your biggest first world problem?

I have a list.

Oh, let's hear that.

I have several.

I got a few.

I hate when I don't have a phone charger.

That just pisses me off.

I hate when I can't get reservations at my favorite restaurants.

Yeah, those are the only two I can come up with right now.

Go back around me because I'll come up with like three more.

Hey, when the other girl knocks.

Hey, when you hear that knocking around 3 a.m.

Fuck.

Anat again.

Yo, when I can't get a parking spot in the front,

I'll be tight.

That's

some entitlement privilege.

When I can't get a first-class seat on a flight,

I'll be kind of tight.

Or the first-class seat be out of my price range and put me right back in my place.

I can't afford all of them shits.

So come on, let's go.

Shoot your broke ass down.

Or if the only first-class seats left are aisles.

I fucking hate aisles.

I'm not a fan of the aisle either.

I need a window.

I need a window.

I'm not a fan of the aisle.

First-world problems.

Yeah, I'm not a fan of the aisle either.

Even in first-class, I'm not a fan of the aisle.

If I get the aisle, the motherfuckers coming on the plane got better play hopscotch.

Because I'm going to be asleep before this engine come on, and I'm not moving my feet.

So, sorry.

If I'm in the owl, nigga, I'm not in the aw.

Them Louis Vuittons are missing some letters.

Crazy as hell.

Yo, the owl, and I'm getting up mad times during the flight if I'm in the owl.

I'm taking advantage.

Nah, I don't fuck with the owl.

You can't really get your good sleep on.

I ain't with that shit.

Yeah, I'm not an aisle.

Give me the, I need a window.

I can fruit flyer.

Any flyer.

My ball aisle.

First word problems.

Give me more, give me more, give me more, give me more, give me more.

Flip, you got any?

I'm listening to y'all, and I'm trying to think of mine.

Yeah.

I mean, when I don't have dinner on time.

So saying,

I don't want to get too crazy, see?

Nuggets still in the air fryer?

Nah, not no nuggets.

Nah, not no nuggets, man.

I get.

Listen, hold on.

Soggy for fry.

Hold on, hold on, freezing.

I'm chilling.

Hold on, boy.

Nigga, nobody abused the system and had their mother-in-law cook all the time.

Me, I have my wife, and if it's not on time, I don't care if you got to come from work, man.

Like, I went straight to it.

I can't kiss you.

Traffic, yoga.

I don't care about none of that.

It is fucked up to think like that.

Yo, I'm a fucked up individual when it comes to that, man.

And I lay down and I sit down and I talk to myself a lot.

What do you say to yourself?

And

like, damn, you have to be more nicer.

Consider considerate, especially being up here with you guys.

But there's always, I think that the devilish side of me always win.

Yeah, I ignore it.

I don't care.

But yeah, I don't get my dinner in time.

Just

having a

family being at my crib.

Yeah, I just want.

Yeah, that's my problem.

That's my dinner time.

People coming to my crib too much and being there for too long.

I don't shop no more.

but when you

might can attest to this, when you go in your stores and your person don't be there,

okay, that should be aggravating.

I can see that being

like that be aggravated.

How do you do?

How do you don't you shop anymore?

I don't really be buying clothes outside, but when I used to be going out shopping a lot, you got specific people that you use like

to do with my

Nehemia markets and shit like that.

So you go on Neiman Marcus and your dude ain't there, you like

you buy it online.

I don't want no jello.

No, I don't shop.

Oh, okay.

That's a first world problem.

For sure, is it?

Some bullshit.

Let me think.

Other niggas be like, can I help you?

No, nigga.

No, we'll do that.

Fuck out of here.

You're like, no, nigga.

Mine,

like, if I'm buying something and I can't get it first day, like, whatever it is, whether it be, you know, me, I'm a tech nigga.

So iPhone and that shit.

If I can't get it the first day, I'm tight.

I damn near don't want it no more.

Anything that drop, I have to have it first day.

You mean, okay, so you got bots in place and stuff?

No, purchase it?

No, I'll be set.

I set alarm, get up for the pre-order early on it, switch, all that shit.

I have to have it the day it dropped, or else I damn near don't want it.

My landlord just sent the repair guy to fix some things around the crib the other day.

And I've been asking for this for a while, but I really put my foot down the other day.

I really don't like the doorknob he picked and the new light they put in the backyard.

Like, that shit is.

So change.

No.

How do you tell them, like,

change it yourself?

Go buy the doorknob.

Yo, it costs $20.

It should take five minutes.

And it takes three minutes to change.

No.

All right.

You got it.

Yo, even though you down with us, you still be doing white people shit.

You still do white people.

Even though you down with us, you still be doing white.

That's a white person's shit.

Nah, some of these landlords be cheap as fuck.

They will wait.

My landlords aren't, though, but they had the dude go shopping at the depot.

And the dude, he dealt with shit.

He told them my home

my nigga you don't see all the doorknobs and shit is black.

Yeah, yeah, they go come back with the crawl.

No, it's like a knob.

It's like a handle shit.

Oh, that's bougie.

That's bougie.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Toilets.

What?

You.

Oh, you got a lot.

Stupid ass smart toilet.

The lid come up too slow now.

There got to be an option.

There got to be an option to make it

make the lid.

Got to go.

How do you piss in everywhere?

How the lid come up?

You got to walk in front of it and make it come up.

Like it's mature.

No, I'm saying you got to walk in front of it or you push a button.

You just walk in front of it.

Does it automatically go down by itself, too?

Yeah.

Oh, that's annoying.

You bought a lot of those shits, too.

You sick.

Buying a lot of pine salt, too.

Corey told you about that.

We remember when you were talking about it.

So you're older.

You can't hold that shit for so long.

Oh, that's another first world problem.

I have four bathrooms.

That's way too many bathrooms to maintain.

It takes a lot of fun.

That's a lot of work, bro.

I got so many bathrooms that I refuse to use one when I walk by it.

So then I just

then, oh, you're back in the game.

You gotta make it to a different bathroom.

You still use pine saw?

Well, I don't clean, but.

First world problem.

That's a first world problem.

That's a first world problem.

That's a first world problem.

You clean.

Oh, that's a first world problem.

Accusing the cleaning lady, Martha, every time something is missing or out of place.

My girl be doing it.

She ain't never guilty.

I got to give it to Martha.

I be dragging her name through them.

That fucking Martha stole my drawers again.

She took all the left socks.

Yeah, because she ain't going to throw nothing else.

She's going to find a Puerto Rican family somewhere that needs this shit.

That's so sweet.

Puerto Ricans ain't throwing nothing else.

Hey, yo, I ain't going to hold you.

I think half of Columbia got that stat-ish merch.

Wow.

Yo, what the hell?

hell?

Oh, man, we're not going to let you fall for that.

Yo,

hold on.

No, my cleaner lady.

Yo, I be having boxes of shit.

Like,

my girls will be like, yo, I be like, man, give it to the cleaner lady, dog.

Them niggas.

You sure it was a cleaning lady, or you not sending it

on the other flight?

What?

I have no idea what this is.

Okay, I'll let you think about that issue.

Yeah, that's cool.

I just think about that.

You got to play it all, but you know, you know, you know, you smooth.

You got it all lined up.

I'm just saying.

You might be giving a package to one of your

sides, you know what I'm saying?

The Colombian joint.

That's all I'm talking about, boy.

You can look to the size, you can look to the side, nigga.

That man is insane.

You can look to the side.

The cleaning lady that my girl gives boxes of clothes to,

I don't know what country she from, but she be sending it to other people's.

Fuck my whole joke up, man.

I ain't mean to, bro.

I mean, you just don't be wanting to get down with the joke.

You got this, like, stubborn

old nigga syndrome.

Like, nigga, laugh, nigga.

Like, I didn't know what the fuck.

Lie with me, boy.

If I want to accuse you of having a side piece from Columbia, lie with me.

Nah, I'm going to step into it.

Yeah, nigga.

I don't know what your girl may do.

She may fuck you up, but still lie.

We all got to get beat up sometimes.

We all.

Okay.

I'm with you.

Mark, welcome.

I'm sure you have a laundry list of first world problems.

No, I mean, I was listening to y'all.

Y'all, first of all, y'all, those ain't first world problems.

Those is rich people problems.

Like, first world problems.

Y'all phrased it rich people problems problems initially, and they told him it was politically incorrect.

I'm softening the blow.

So they made him turn it into.

But I said what I mean.

They didn't say rich people problems.

They wanted to go.

Oh, you mean.

See, that's what I mean.

Even

this is not a world where you can be free to fucking say what you're trying to say.

Oh, no, no, you mean first world?

No, you bitch ass nigga.

I'm saying exactly what I'm trying to say.

Right.

I don't need you to PC me.

Right.

Well, I couldn't join in on the conversation with rich people problems.

I I don't know,

not wanting to be called rich is a first world problem.

You for sure.

You gave rich people problems.

You gave famous people problems.

You definitely gave rich and or slash bougie people problems.

Flips yours is a little bit different because, like, poor people got the same complaint you got, right?

About around the crib.

That's just dude problems.

That's like husband problems.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

You know, that's patriarchy problems.

But, like, you know what I mean?

Like, you used to be famous, so getting first day shit for you, it's not even about money sometimes.

It's just I'm ice.

No, I'm going in there to buy it.

Regular shit.

I just be first.

I want to be one of the first ones.

Oh, you actually go yourself.

You don't make no phone calls.

Don't do none of that shit with the tickets.

All right, all right.

Yeah, then that's that's yeah, that's rich people probably.

No, first, first of all, first of all, first one is like my internet went out.

You know what I mean?

I can't, I can't, I can't do online banking.

I gotta go, yeah.

Like, when I complain, I used to, I never complained to anybody about it because

who can complain about it too?

But when you go in the subway and you want to do like a one-swipe pass, like in New York, a black car for many years was too thick

to fit into

the machine.

I'm not even being funny.

He's not being funny.

He got Apple Pay now, so you're good.

You're someone.

But before, you couldn't do that.

A black car in the subways.

But you know, in New York, everybody take the subway.

And I lived in Brooklyn, so I would take the cue to CNN, in fact.

So I would just, you know, three stops, whatever.

You ain't going to say nothing?

What?

Everybody don't take the subway.

I'm letting him cook.

Oh, but I'm saying in New York, it's not uncommon to see these true Got it.

Billionaires.

Yeah, I don't know, you know, but for me, it was like,

I lived in Flatbush in DeKalb.

Like, it would have taken me twice, three times as long to get there in a car as it would be to just jump on a train for three stops.

So I would go down and go

in your car being there stuck and you're looking around like, can anybody help me?

And you don't want to say that because you look like food.

So then

you just got a chalk it, and I had to go all the way to the ATM, get cash, or use my debit card.

Oh, exactly.

I'm sorry you went through that.

That's one of those problems.

That's one of those problems.

The internet is a funny shit, too.

Oh, anytime it's even slow.

No, yeah, because guess what happens?

When you travel a lot and you go certain places and them niggas don't have no internet, or that shit be borderline dialogue.

When you come back home and you just be with a hug the router, like, oh,

yo, that's so good.

That's some real shit.

That is some real shit.

Yeah, they have GPS in Jerusalem.

Yo, in East Jerusalem, they don't have GPS.

No, I'm not.

I'm serious.

There's no GPS.

That shit that they took down to Jerusalem.

You just make a right at the rooster barn.

Basically, yes.

They're like Ahmed's house and make a right.

I mean, who the fuck is Ahmed?

You know what I mean?

You just be stuck.

Yo, that is hilarious.

Yeah, man.

That's the first world problem.

Oh, man.

The toilet top comes up too slow.

I got another question for y'all.

True.

That I thought about the other day while I was in the car with Corey.

What?

I was in the car with Corey.

You just kidded it.

Corey put me on some type of Corey mission, and I didn't call my driver.

So I guess we had to drive.

And he thought that meant me driving.

No, nigga.

So Corey drive.

I ain't been a car with Corey since we was on tour, really driving around.

It was like refreshing to see that Corey still drives like Corey, like with reckless abandon.

He don't give a fuck.

He don't drive.

He drives like a complete

nut.

And that's good to see.

It's nostalgic almost.

It brings me back to tour and him falling asleep, driving to wherever he was driving to.

But it did beg the question,

why do people use the crosswalk with confidence?

Because they're basically like, I dare fucking hit me.

I just screwed the shit out of you.

Niggas want to case.

Thank you, man.

Especially in New York.

They don't give a fuck if an 18-wheeler coming to New York.

They stepping off the sidewalk.

Like, they don't give a fuck.

Green, you stop.

Yo, as a driver, I'm not even used to this crosswalk thing.

I grew up in a sign or a stoplight is going to stop this vehicle.

Maybe.

Not some paint.

Maybe.

Maybe.

Not some paint.

So they paint and niggas be driving, and somebody walk just dead right out there, and you slam my brake.

Them niggas got the nerve to get an attitude, but there's something like

y'all know.

Short no,

buddy.

They act like the car would lose in a collision with them.

Yo, Tatum,

and I think that we could change that back.

It's just going to take for us to kill one of them.

One of them got to die to change the whole view of crosswalks and how they act out there.

And they got to be deaf because people want a case.

If you just break their leg and their arm, they're up.

Yeah, exactly.

I'll be hoping somebody hit me with a car on the crosswalk.

No, we got to end them.

We got to end.

They're too pretentious.

Call me a brother.

Yes, yep.

Yo, this nigga's stupid.

Mel, question for you, because you're the only girl here, because you won't let us hire any more girls because you think we'll hire a girl that's going to jump you.

Okay.

I didn't say that, but okay.

Go ahead.

What's the question?

She also picks me up the chief of the technical.

This nigga call me nothing.

Corey, you're not on this show and you don't have a mic, and you have to stop interrupting the broadcast.

And again,

I said this before this part started.

We got to allow people to be delusional.

I'm not just going to interrupt when niggas is delusional.

Male.

Yeah.

If you were dating, if you were not dating, if you were together in a relationship with Jeff Bezos, would you expect him to be faithful?

Yeah.

Yes, I would.

Do you think that that is a reasonable expectation?

Yes, I do.

Why?

Because

if you didn't want to be.

Are we talking about marriage here?

Because he just got married.

Slow down.

Y'all just together.

Yes.

Y'all just together.

Not married.

You got to be together before you get married.

Not dating.

That's your boyfriend, girl.

If we've had conversations around fidelity and this person has expressed, yes,

I am intending to be faithful towards you, and then you're not.

Well, then that is

more than just a character flaw.

You're a fucking liar.

No, no, we're not.

No conversation.

He didn't say, just take what he said.

You're with Jeff Bezos.

Y'all are a couple.

It ain't been no what you do expect.

Do you expect him to be faithful to you as your man?

Yes.

Okay, now why?

And 100% honest.

Well, are we all 100% honest to our significant others?

Yep.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

But no, you just said, yo, he would be a liar, which is a character flaw.

So I'm just saying, so you not only expect

him to be 100%.

I was talking about that.

I was literally talking about that.

Like, if you're asking a direct question, you know, about something very specific, and that's the thing that they lie about,

that's really fucked up.

No, I'm not disagreeing with you.

Yeah, I agree with you.

I'm just saying, but you I would yes expect him to be honest.

I do not think that being extraordinarily wealthy gives you permission to just be

self-absorbed and selfish.

Is he paying all your bills?

Is he paying all my bills?

You are married to Jeff Bezos.

He's paying.

Yes.

I feel like I've answered this question.

I had literally answered the question.

You don't like my answer.

That's the bottom line.

You don't like my answer.

My answer is yes.

That would be my expectation.

I stand with Mel.

Yes, that's my expectation.

I think that's a reasonable expectation.

Yes, that's my expectation.

I stand with Mel on that.

No, take it.

Nope.

I think.

I want to hear from.

Go ahead, Mark.

I think it's reasonable to expect a person to be honest with you you're in a relationship with.

I think it's what might be less reasonable

is assuming that he wants to be faithful.

So the conversation you have to have with him, if

he is that person, is you have you actually have to force that issue, but also be okay with the answer you don't want.

Yeah, you know what?

I get that.

And he asks the question like there wouldn't be follow-up questions.

I'm me.

I wouldn't just be like, oh, you're rich, okay, whatever comes with it, I don't give a fuck.

Been there, done that.

Got the t-shirt, got sweats in it, sweat stains in it, gave it to fucking goodwill.

Been there, done that.

The people I know who are in those situations, I don't know, VL, your salvation army is different

you talking about your goodwill is a different goodwill my niggas you gave that ralph laurenti to the goodwill this nigga got different about money than where you at what's unfair about

what's unfair about this question is the person that we're asking not saying you mail anything bad i'm just saying like

if we know anything about the it's unfair to ask male that question why

because if we

it based off of her answer

if we

it's just unfair.

Like, I think, it's unfair.

I don't think it's unreasonable ask somebody,

do you expect to be able to trust your husband or your wife or whatever, right?

I think most people do it one of two ways.

They either have the honest conversation or they do don't ask, don't tell, right?

Like, if I marry a billionaire, I'm just assuming he's fucking somebody else.

I'm not going to ask, and you go through that world.

That's kind of what he was saying.

The expectation of it.

Like, do you think he's going to be faithful?

But see, to me, that's not about.

you're right.

The word faithful was throwing me off because to me,

I don't want to equate faithful with non-monogamous, with monogamous.

You get what I'm saying?

So, like,

if he says, Look, I'm gonna be outside, I'm gonna do what I do, but I'm gonna come home every night.

Like, Sammy Davis Jr.

used to say that.

He said, I tell my wife, Look, I love you, I'm gonna take care of you, but I'm gonna entertain a baby and I'm never gonna have an empty bed at night, right?

She just accepted that.

When he was on the road, it was what it was.

Fuck is you talking?

I mean.

Who can make this?

Yo.

But

I wouldn't say he was unfaithful.

Uh-huh.

Because he.

It's informed consent.

Right.

Yeah.

Totally.

Or if she say, don't tell me, like Ray Charles' wife, like, don't tell me, right?

Don't, just don't bring the role home.

Hey, yo, I kid you.

You said it's what?

Informed consent.

What is that again?

I'm asking, seriously.

Informed consent is where somebody presents a scenario to you rather than lying to you.

They present the scenario of,

this is my baseline.

This is what, like, in the Sam Davids Jr., I'm never going to have an empty bed.

And his wife was like, got it.

Okay, cool.

And she signed up for that.

That's informed consent.

Cheating would be he never has an empty bed, but he doesn't tell her and acts like he's not cheating.

Would you leave Jeff Bezos if he cheated?

Oh, God.

And do you have a predup?

Because I'll answer first.

No.

I wouldn't.

I thought you were answering for first.

No, I'm answering for him.

You're answering for him.

I wouldn't.

I'd stay, girl.

How about you?

You're now with me.

Yo, niggas stay with.

I'm going to keep it a buck.

Niggas stay with they broke girlfriends for cheese.

What the fuck is we talking about, my nigga?

I'm sorry.

All of us have been cheated on in state.

Well, I can speak to some of us.

Okay.

Have been cheated on in state.

Mel says she'll leave.

I never stayed, but

they're not above it.

They're not acknowledging her lies.

All right, go ahead.

You said you would leave

one of the richest people in the world if they cheated.

Yes.

Have you ever stayed with somebody who cheated?

Yes.

So

in the past.

Yeah, you would never do that moving forward.

At this stage of my life,

being with somebody, what are you fucking cheating for?

That's a new question.

That's a new question.

I'm operating from this stage of my life and who I believe I would be, entertain relationships with.

If that's what you're doing, I have sorely misjudged you.

And you got to go.

And all the billions.

Yeah.

Yo, let me get them glasses.

No, no, I'm not saying you're wrong.

I'm saying I wouldn't.

You're better than me.

I'm saying there's a lot of 30-year-olds out out there.

You know what?

If my wife cheated now, I wouldn't leave.

Linda lying.

You wouldn't be with the fucking 30-year-old.

Linda is lying, man.

I probably wouldn't leave anybody out.

If I chose to be with somebody, like I said, I wouldn't leave my wife right now if she cheated, probably.

You know what I mean?

I ain't gonna lie to you.

I wouldn't.

You know what I mean?

I hope she wouldn't, just like I wouldn't, but you know what I mean.

We neither of us cheat, but like, I don't, you know, she might leave.

I wouldn't leave.

You know what I mean?

If she were Oprah, I wouldn't even consider that.

I wouldn't even pretend to leave.

I wouldn't even slam a door.

How do I know?

How do I even know you cheated?

How about that?

Why?

Y'all lying, girl.

I brain cheat.

Yo, lifestyle.

I'm happy.

No, no, no.

I'm happy.

No, no, no.

I'm content.

We had this conversation a little while back, and you said at this point you wouldn't leave.

But I guess things have changed.

People grow every day, ish.

Sure, no, I said something changed every last couple months.

I was about to ask

you.

What would you

really be your reason for cheating?

Like, so I mean, for leaving.

So if you were happy in these other areas and nigga just got some side box, you'll just be like, yo, you violated our trust, so I'm out.

That's her her line everybody got their line yeah

i'm asking melissa well i'm answering for her and i know what you're talking about i one i did say that i did say that cheating wouldn't be um a deal breaker at this age yeah at this age

she'd just be podding bro

she just be podding we catching lies every day i try to leave her alone she just be podding i wouldn't necessarily say that it's a fucking lie i don't think she's mad i wouldn't say you just feel different i wouldn't yeah I wouldn't necessarily say that it's a lie.

What does that come with?

Age?

Sometimes just, I mean,

sometimes age is a different thing.

You have to say something on the podcast.

Sometimes it's a circumstance.

Exactly.

I'm sorry, Melan.

I'm sorry, Mark.

I want to ask you a question.

If I come here and say, yo, if my wife cheat on me, I'm not leaving.

Right?

A month pass, and I come on the same broadcast with the same people and say, if my wife cheat on me, I'm now leaving.

Do you attribute that?

And what do you attribute that to?

Like something might have transpired.

Sometimes you're conflicted.

Like when I pointed out contradictions for you, you'll be like, that's just how I feel.

Or I know I said that.

I said this.

I mean, the only contradiction is for me to be facetious, but if it's not,

yeah, no, I understand what you're saying, but I'm sorry, man.

No, hold on.

And the distinction here is marriage.

I said that about marriage.

He's talking about, am I in a relationship with this person?

Guys,

the distinction was making sense.

Because I asked,

are we married?

He just started with that.

You did say that.

I kept asking, are we married?

So if I've gone down the aisle, we've created a life and now this person's cheated and what we're 10 years in, yeah, more likely than not, I'm going to take some serious consideration again.

Like, I'm not going to be like, yeah, absolutely, I'm fucking out the door.

I got you.

No, I would not be that easily, you know.

So you're not pressed to put any cheating clauses in a prenup

or any compensation packages.

No, I don't want no prenup.

It's about love.

It's about love.

Well, I guess we should start there because I don't know if you want a prenup.

And we're not interviewing you.

I'll be done with my my line of questioning.

When it comes to people of high net worth, there's always going to be a prenup.

Woman or man.

What if they put it on you, though?

Do you want a prenup?

Yes or no?

Yes.

You want one?

Yes.

Okay.

Yes.

I do.

Nice.

So if you marry Jeff Bezos, you want a prenup?

There's going to be a prenup.

No, but the question was, if it were put on you, if you were the decider of said prenup between you and Jeff Bezos.

That word soup shit don't always work, girl.

What would you say?

Sometimes you're faced with a direct question.

It's up, I know.

Imagine.

All right, Mel, listen to it.

That's shit like Campbell's.

I'm Jeff Bezos.

That's shit like Campbell's.

I'm Jeff Bezos.

Mel, do you want to pren up before we get married?

It's up to you.

What are you thinking about?

Where are you looking at?

Leave her alone.

What's in here?

I guess I just, it's because

you're presenting the most ludicrous scenario that you want me to answer, and that's fucking weird to me.

You know what I'm saying?

In no world, new universe.

Fair enough.

Let's say it's not Jeff Bezos.

Let's say it's Jeff Martinez who's worth $10 million.

And he said, again, Menisa,

do you want a pre-nuck?

Medica.

I pre-nupped your ass.

Yeah.

That's her.

That's her answer.

That's her answer.

Leave it alone.

I'm done.

There we go.

I'm done.

Oprah says, big-ish.

You want a pre-nup?

No-oh.

I mean, not really, but it's up to you, girl.

I don't think we need no pre-nup.

You know what I'm saying?

You don't ever see this.

In the world,

it's your final decision, but if you're asking me, I don't think we need that.

It ain't even necessary.

Pre-nuts.

I'm preparing for the.

Because of Bezos'

pre-nup, they spoke about it on the news last week.

They said it's ironclad, hundreds of pages.

All the best lawyers in the world drafted this up.

Yeah, it might, it might, you get it.

If I cheat, you get

a fucking happy meal.

You get

some bullshit.

Let me add another layer, though.

Let's assume prenups are like everybody gonna do a prenup to melt, because I think Mel's right.

Nobody with any money, that kind of money.

What if they say I want you to do an NDA?

Do you do the NDA?

What are the terms of the NDA, though?

You can never write a television.

You can never talk about our relationship.

You can never talk about me, our relationship.

If we separate, you can't say anything about me or this relationship.

A conversation package attached to that?

Because that's the end run.

The reason I'm using masks is that's the end run off and around the prenup.

Is

I'll sign a pre-nup, but I'm not signing NDA.

And so when I get out, I'm going to write this book and make sure you make $40 million from it anyway.

Is there a conversation package?

My homeboy did that.

Because, all right.

He's a rat.

It's my cousin.

I ain't going to say which cousin, but he was dating.

Oh, he's a rat.

He's not from Philly.

Oddly enough, he's from Jersey.

You probably know him.

Matter of fact, though, I don't know no rats.

Go ahead.

He was dating this very, very well-known singer, and she moved him out, flew him out to LA, let him live there.

He quit his job.

He did all this shit.

And then after like two months, she was done with this nigga.

And she put him out.

And it was her crib, her house, her car, all the shit.

And he was looking like a bum.

But he was like, I need some money.

She was like, fuck off.

And he was like, say less.

I'm I'm about to write.

He went and got an agent the next day and was about to write a book.

And then she broke him off so that he wouldn't write a book.

And so the NDA was the way to get around that.

And I'm seeing a lot more people do that now.

And this was a dude, you know, I don't know.

If I married somebody, the same way I couldn't imagine doing a prenup for me in my situation, I couldn't imagine asking my significant other to do an NDA.

But if you're a public figure, it's something you got to think of.

I mean, you're a public figure.

You're super famous.

Would you do an NDA?

Would you ask for an NDA from your partner?

Would I ask for in marriage?

Yeah, let her go write a little book, man.

Go ahead.

Get your little book off, girl.

If I'm doing a freedom, I'm doing an NDA.

Okay.

If I'm doing a freedom, I'm doing it.

Some people don't even think about that.

Yeah,

this is the first for me.

I never heard that people do that.

Yeah, man.

You ain't thought about none of the shit that come with marriage yet.

An NDA?

I've never thought of an NDA.

I never know people.

You're always trying to make shit be funny, and I'm being for real.

It's fucking hilarious.

That's funny, though.

You're going to pretend it's not, not, but it is.

Yeah, you know what it is.

You know what he's doing.

But that's nigga.

I didn't know people have NDAs for their marriages.

I didn't know that.

Do you know the guys wear tuxes?

Why are you bad?

And the girl, you'll never get it.

Where do you see her?

No, but I'm not even stopping.

Like, I'm fine.

Why are you doing it to my man, y'all?

He's not doing nothing to me.

Wait, you see her?

I don't like that.

It's fuck around me married already.

Exactly.

That is entirely possible.

He does this blink shit.

Blink one of these two.

It's thinking, fuck y'all.

I don't give a fuck about y'all.

Yeah, I ain't even listening to that shit.

It's don't give a fuck about us.

Freeze, you do NDA?

For the marriage?

Yeah.

No.

No.

But would you do a pre-nup?

If you were

like super, super, super famous and up there.

It makes sense.

Things would change if I'm up there.

I ain't up there, so he.

I think I'm not.

When you get married, are you going to dye your beard?

No.

I'm being serious.

Or shaving.

No.

Freeze is a shit.

She don't want me dying.

I'm shaving my beard.

Freeze is a lover, man.

Like, he'll have everything.

That's his intro to love.

What's mine is yours.

He's a lover.

He don't give a fuck about none of that shit.

He don't want you to go, nigga.

He watches your every move.

He got the air tags on your car.

He don't want you to do nothing,

have all my freeze don't share a charger man

you don't

get your old

does that

freeze that that cop that confidence that you have of being a lover like being out there does that make you feel the way like you know because your niggas gonna laugh at so many gonna laugh at you

i don't care

right i don't look at anything differently i don't care could laugh

you just feel like you just i'm just i just love what i love you just me i give my

don't bother me.

All right, cool, man.

I'm just not.

I ain't got nothing else for you.

You're a lover too, my nigga.

I wear my heart on my sleeve.

I thought I said that last part.

You said that, but you don't.

Your shit come with your haul on your sleeve is a little bit different.

Just your sleeve.

All over, anywhere it can be attached.

I wear my heart everywhere.

You know not to make me the best man at your shit.

Your wife will cry, nigga.

That speech is going to be one of those.

No, no,

I'm going to set a record.

I'm spilling it.

I'm spilling it off.

You don't have nothing to spill.

Your cut glass is mad.

Empty.

I'm spilling it off.

No, I remember who I first met is.

Boy, the times.

People don't like you.

Hey, once I hit that boy the times, you just

go to the next step.

You should start calling years out.

I think it was over.

Wow.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Niggas start looking at you.

No, I'm not.

And it's just that pressure, though, like when we talk about marriage and talk about things with your girl, you because she watches the pod.

Do y'all have those conversations?

Like, say, if we come up here and we talk about your issue, when you get married and shit like that, does that add any pressure?

Does she talk to you about it?

Is he already married?

And that's all for us.

That's interesting.

Nah, somebody might make a comment or something.

She'd be like, what?

What they was talking about with such and such?

I explained it.

I'd be it, but no.

Shit that's calm, like that's easy to understand, no.

That's what things were.

If it were an actual issue in your life, it may double down.

But if it's not an issue that you're dealing with, then it doesn't.

You know what I mean?

That's what I'm saying.

Like, if every day you would get impressed to get married, and then people on the show, like, why you're not married, then that could, that could be different.

Then

that'd be different.

It's possible.

Yeah, but that's what's happening.

But some people get influenced by comments and reading and watching.

That's true.

If one of my wife friends,

hear me say something on the podcast and it gets to her ears, even if I didn't have an issue with it, she's going to ask me about it.

Yeah.

Discuss this with me.

Now, me, I'm like, no, I don't have to.

Just to refer to the tag.

Yeah, that's performance.

That shit don't work all the time.

That don't work all the time.

That performance, getting that shit off, it's crazy.

I'm impressed.

Yeah, I think that wouldn't work in my house.

No, it don't work.

It don't work.

It don't work.

To the unmarried ones,

do y'all who's the person that if they stood up to give a speech at your wedding, you'd be like, oh shit.

I know everybody got one.

Like, if that person stands up, and it's like, this thing about to do some bullshit.

I shouldn't have no exes at my wedding.

So

be safe on that front.

Be safe on that front.

No, you just get a little nervous.

That's all.

It gets a little, yo, what's this nigga gonna say?

Yeah.

It's a lot of people.

Well, I thought about having the first best manless wedding, anyway.

So

hey, oh, you niggas reaching for a mic.

My baby mom last last week text me,

said

yo, text me some shit about our son that we love, and then was like, yo, and send that money for swimming or therapy or whatever the fuck she said.

I don't know.

I dubbed that shit.

That's how she talked to you?

The next day, she hit me about whatever we were talking about, loving our kid.

I hit a bat.

We had that talk.

As soon as it ended, she was talking about something.

And

I said something about that money.

AHT?

Yeah, A-H-T.

I laughed for so long.

Don't you forget that money now.

Send that.

Yeah, ain't going to be no best, man.

You niggas can sit down right at table eight.

Yeah, hey.

Hey, hey, all you jokes, I put y'all at the same little table.

Get your job.

Crack it up.

Got some more dirt coming, huh?

How many groomsmen are you going to have?

Groomsmen?

Yeah.

You either got to have a very small number for you, I think, or a very big number.

No, it ain't going to be a lot of people.

It ain't going to be a lot.

Otherwise, you got to make cuts.

You know what I mean?

There's a homemade who thinks he's in the top four.

Well, that's why I don't even want.

Yeah, I'm not a groomsman.

Oh, brother.

I've been to something called a gentleman's wedding.

I thought that you've been to something called.

You know what?

Go ahead.

What is that?

It was where there were 14 groomsmen,

and she had a matron of honor, and that was it.

That's interesting.

I think she fucking made it up.

My frat brother, my line brother, he had

about, he had about, he definitely had double-digit groomsmen.

But his wife, I guess she had like maybe three or four, now that you mention it, but I thought that I didn't really think about it more.

And again, it was hard to make the cut.

Like, if you cut it down to one, you'd be like, I'm taking my brother, or I'm taking my best friend.

When you get to four or five, it's like my space.

You get that top eight, people start feeling away.

You can accept not being in the top four, but like if you make a top eight, top ten, you start feeling like, I ain't one of you.

I ain't one of your ten.

Right.

Like, damn.

That's where it gets tough.

Yeah, I don't know if I want to see a whole bunch of niggas on my side at the wedding.

I was deep.

I had

10 or 12.

I forget.

It was a lot.

Hard to make the cut.

So she, yeah.

Yeah, you had a lot.

It was well love.

Yeah, huh?

You ever said people like you already had?

I told you I didn't ask you to do that.

Wait, hold up.

Hey, hey, hey.

I told you I didn't ask you to do it.

Wait, but I didn't say a word.

What's that over there?

I wanted to ask if he wasn't one, but I didn't want to make it awkward.

Why wasn't he one?

Because there's shit that activities and things you have to do as a groomsman that I thought there would be.

He wasn't going to want to do that.

I'm just saying

it looked beautiful

from where I was seated.

Nosebleeds?

I I had a fucked-up spot at Park's wedding because I was in the back trying to be low, but Preem and Showbiz and them niggas was in the back.

Preem kept asking me to come take pictures of him and the old school niggas.

Yeah, you young nigga.

And I young.

You guys didn't know the Preem yet, so I just kept running over there.

All right.

Then the old niggas want to check the pictures, take it again.

It's like, then they missed the wedding.

Damn, nigga.

That little nigga.

You getting the first invite to my wedding.

Am I?

Yeah.

Thank you.

You and Daisy.

Plus ones?

Huh?

Are you doing plus ones?

For sure, yeah.

Definitely.

That's where all the fun happens.

The plus ones?

That's for the chaos.

Throw a little chaos in the mix.

Plus ones.

I'll be mad when we're doing the part, and I look over to the kitchen and see somebody plus.

Oh, I can imagine my face at a wedding.

plus ones is tough yeah

what else do we want to talk about i want to congratulate uh west side gun on his collaboration with uh soccone them soccone with the crab on the side red shit the red joints look absolutely fire i didn't even see them congratulations

big move he just continues to break barriers he's got a wrestling company

He's got all types of shit.

So shout out to Westside Gunn.

That sneaker does look hard.

It does look hard.

What else?

What else needs our attention in music?

Music.

Anything in music?

I know we've just been sitting there shooting the shit.

Last night was an underwhelming, underwhelming release night.

Yeah, it was.

It wasn't really too much.

So Isa Rocky put a single out.

Interesting choice for her first single.

Very like down tempo.

Is that Rocky going to hear that?

It's not bad enough.

If Rihanna ain't as cool as she was before him,

wait till I hear Rihanna's song.

That's not on the soundtrack.

You're not going to hear that.

I don't think I am either.

Yeah.

I don't think I am.

I'm taking the budget.

All right, I'll do the give y'all a little record over there.

That's it.

I ain't dropping.

I didn't look now.

I didn't look.

I didn't see much that dropped.

Yeah, Jid dropped a four-pack, a lot of rapping.

A lot of rapping.

It's cool.

A lot of rapping.

Him and Eminem have got a song on there.

It's just like 100-plus BPF.

A lot of rapping.

A lot of rapping.

Did y'all shout out LL Cool J for his public stance?

Not Not at all.

Wow.

The Welcome to America Festivals in Philly.

And L Cool J publicly said he's not showing up to the concert.

He's not performing because the workers are on strike and he's not going to cross the picket line.

So just salute to LL for standing in solidarity with the workers.

That's all.

Shout out to L.

That's all.

That's actually, that's dope.

It's super dope.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Shout out to L.

Well, when you up, you can take them stances.

You say?

So when you up, you can take them stances.

I was about to say it's a little bit easier when you're up.

Yeah, yeah.

Probably didn't want to go anyway.

Yeah.

He had a busy summer playing anyway.

Not too big of a deal.

Hey, yo, real quick,

Debbie speaking about, I went to Rock the Bells the other day, right?

And my first time seeing a lot of these niggas perform on stage, but MOP,

the crowd went crazy for MOP, yo.

They kind of fucked me up.

I know, listen, they did it, they went, no, because I never saw them performing.

No, they got like classics.

No, I'm just saying the corner.

You saw it in the New Yorker, you predictional.

Yeah, I saw the prudential.

That's the New Yorker.

No, listen what I'm saying.

When I met them niggas, yo, I went viral with JR because of their record.

And they said, we just saw that.

But I had to let them know, like, yo, y'all fire for real.

I'm sorry.

Can we mute plug for the rest of the day?

I mean, I'd love to explore it.

I'm just shocked that you're shocked at it and we'll be doing it.

No, I just did it in the middle.

Wait till you hear about Run DMC, yo.

No, no, no, no, no, you want to be funny.

Listen, there's this group called Bob Deep.

Yo.

No, listen.

I'm talking about when you, because because there's a lot of other performances that happened that nobody really got up for.

That's what I mean.

The whole crowd got up.

People perform, I don't want to say it, but people perform when niggas were just sitting there.

But when MOP performed, I was just impressed.

Like, oh, shit, the whole crowd got up and shit.

Mashed out.

You see?

Walking down.

Yeah, I was impressed by it.

You're amazing.

I keep talking about the Caribbeans that are making their bones in the culture, but don't really know about the culture.

Like that, I keep saying that.

When the lesson

keeps getting overlooked.

When unless you got choked.

You don't know about shit.

Yo, but you understand.

You understand what I'm saying?

You are culturally inappropriate.

I don't know about MOP before.

I'm going to keep it real.

Annie up and all that shit.

I didn't know about them before that.

To be honest.

So I'm out of line.

I wasn't in touch, really.

But we have to go back to a world.

No disrespect to you.

We have to go back to a world.

And this is disrespect to me.

Yes.

Those people that didn't know just shut the fuck up.

If I'm there.

Now they could say, yo, you know what?

God,

get up.

Yo, get up, nigga.

MOP, they're good.

Not the worst.

Not the worst.

There's a lot of people I grew up on when they performed.

The crowd at the Prudential Center did not

feel you.

When MOP performed,

oh shit, JR, look, I recorded.

I'm like, look, the niggas coming down the stairs.

I said, these niggas is lit.

All right.

Stop watching your fucking mouth.

I know MOP when they got Tanzania Rockefeller.

And then when G Unit, I listen.

That's the time I was listening to.

Pim, what up?

Billy, what up?

Tough.

You don't have to teach niggas.

You have to make fun of niggas, nigga.

And if I feel away after this shit come out, nigga, I'm throwing subs at you on Twitter.

Rest in peace, Father.

I swear to God, I'm doing the spaces about you, nigga.

Your subs don't mean nothing if you don't know MOP.

Like, subs hurt to me when niggas knew MOP, the mob.

I know, right?

Gangstar.

If you don't know those people, then.

My shit don't mean nothing.

You know them people.

You know Gangstar, right?

I do.

Okay, cool.

Yeah.

I do.

What?

No, you don't.

Can you name two Gangstar songs?

No.

Can you name one?

No.

Okay.

They did it.

No, hold on.

That came back.

But you've heard of.

You just heard the word gang and star in a sentence before.

No, no, no.

You mean funny again?

Bro,

I'm rotting.

I got you.

But you could name two John Cena songs.

Quick.

Singers are are good.

It's hard now.

Oh, my God.

You know more John Cena than Gangstar.

That's crazy.

Didn't Gangstar come out again?

They had a record that I forgot.

No, that's Miles and South Saw.

My fault.

Yo, all right, man.

That's disrespectful.

Joe Joe, please.

Can we unplug his bike?

That was crazy.

Hold on.

That was wild, bro.

Somebody passed away from Gangstar.

No, hey, check on your.

No.

Yeah, you can research on Flip the Network time.

See, watch your fucking pop-up and get it.

Come back with your findings.

Like, we would love to hear from you.

Why would you make fun of your man if I say that?

If I was impressed, that MOP got the crowd to jump up.

I'm shocked that

you and I became friends.

What did y'all talk about?

My God.

Damn.

That's crazy.

All right, I fall.

Fuck you niggas, man.

That niggas is mean.

Yeah, you know you got to close out with some MOP.

For this guy, bro.

Help Help him out.

Yeah, something a little bit.

A little bit.

I feel away.

I feel away.

You should.

It's okay.

We got about eight more hours before a closeout.

Don't worry about it.

We're good.

I'm just saying, before we do, though,

you got to get him right.

Yeah, yeah.

Because then he's going to say, I know this.

I know gangsta is now.

My fault.

I don't.

God damn it.

Slip my mind.

Of course I do.

Why you say that, Paul?

Why you set me up like that?

I ain't set you up.

You want Ian to be upset at me?

Please.

I ain't gonna lie.

My boy Mark has made a lot of money since this Diddy verdict has gotten announced.

I was gonna toss it to you because I know we had a discussion without you to see if you had anything you wanted to say.

But since the verdict has been announced, Mark has been on an absolute live stream tear.

And because I support Mark Lamont, I clicked in one of them ships.

I wasn't in there for more than three seconds before I seen some nigga named Doug send up $24.99.

Mark talking about, oh, thanks so much, brother.

You have no idea how much I'm doing.

Thank you, brother.

And as he was thanking Doug, another little ching-ching, papa, $5.99.

Oh, thank you so much.

Sister Lamar, me and her worked together at the ministry, some of the youth houses we went around to speak to.

Then it was another ching-ching.

I was like, yo.

This motherfucker is just sitting here.

You have no idea how to do it.

You have no idea how much this sincerely means to me.

Yeah, with that finger with a big, humble finger.

You got a spill.

What's your spiel?

I don't have a spiel, man.

I'm just grateful to the people, man.

No, you have a spill.

Independent black media, man.

There's a lot of people in your shit, too.

11,000, 12,000.

You count?

Yeah, I did.

I have to.

Oh.

You don't.

I am.

I am.

I ain't mad at it.

I don't.

I put myself up.

Look at the numbers.

It's not about the numbers.

I don't know who they are.

You don't know who they are.

Just doing your job.

It's about the message.

Giving the message to the people.

Do you want to speak about the justice that was served?

You know,

I've had more time in the last 48 48 hours to look at the details of the case and to think about it more.

And I'm just as conflicted as I was before, but in a different way.

You know,

I believe

that he met the legal standard for guilty for all of them.

I still do.

And the more I look, the more I feel that way.

But I also hate the Rico thing.

Right?

Like I said weeks ago, like that's an overreach it's used to get the wrong people.

It was meant for the mafia.

It wasn't meant for this.

Ultimately, do I think he's guilty of the prostitution crime?

Of course.

I mean, I think that was the easy.

We all said that was like the layup.

That was the easy one.

But now he's looking at potentially 20 years for that.

As an abolitionist, I don't even think prostitution should be illegal.

So I damn sure don't think somebody should be getting 20 years.

As a Virgo, I don't think it should be illegal.

As a horny prostitution,

that guy's a man.

That guy's a man.

So I'm in this place where

And this is why I don't like the prison as the measure of accountability.

That's why I don't, this is why I'm largely against prisons, because Diddy needs a lot of accountability.

He needs to do a lot of repair.

He's hurt a lot of people.

He's harmed a lot of people.

But putting him in prison for 20 years for prostitution, potentially is max, to me doesn't even address the people he harmed.

So I'm in this place where if they gave him time served or a year and a day, he basically came home,

that wouldn't feel like justice to people.

And I get that, because

I get that why I wouldn't.

But him sitting in a cage for 20 years also doesn't look like justice to me.

So to me, this is one of the situations where I just don't know what justice looks like.

I don't know what winning looks like.

And part of the problem is because the state did what the state does, which is that it overreaches, it criminalizes, it takes, you know, it takes what could be civil problems, it makes them criminal.

It does all these things, and they become a decider of what justice is.

And clearly, as we saw in this case, one, they didn't do a very good job.

And two, they're not good deciders.

So,

yeah,

I don't have any answers as much as say I'm just, I hate all of it and I'm conflicted by all of it.

All right, so

in better words, free the homie.

I ain't saying that.

That's what you're saying.

The homie's free.

He is neither the homie nor free.

He got his number.

How are you?

Are you deleting his number?

No, I ain't deleting his number.

I ain't deleted his number.

We ain't talking anyway.

Just making sure.

Oh, he might have something to say to you.

No, he got something to say to Tara.

Did y'all see Tarae coming Cleesi?

Oh, okay.

I was like, that nigga.

He said, I don't even want him in your abolitionist.

Nigga, you ain't never been an abolitionist.

Now everybody out in in the abolitionist line, he don't want that smoke.

You know, Torrey said it was just journalism.

He was just covering.

Right.

Covering the story.

He said, I don't have an investment in who wins or who loses.

I didn't care if he was guilty or medicine.

I'm like.

Did you?

18 months ago, he was like, he's guilty.

He needs to be guilty.

He needs to be in the jail forever.

He spoke highly about you, Torre.

Yeah, it's my man.

I'm fucking with him.

I already texted him to fuck with him about it.

Okay.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, that's my guy.

I mean, we're actual friends in real life, but

he's still shook right right now.

He's still ducking this smooth.

I already teased him about it.

You think there's a world where Puff start pulling up on people that

he didn't like the commentary?

1,000%.

Yeah.

Yeah, there's definitely a world where that happens.

You better keep going to the gym.

I'll be in the gym regardless.

It's just because health as well.

Okay.

Well, whatever.

No, I'm just saying.

He going to be in there for a year.

He in shape.

Listen,

you might need to win.

Listen, they can keep me out of it.

i don't want nothing to do with nothing the internet just like trying to put me in shit so they could tear me down i'm cool joe say something i can't believe you said something who the fucking teeth say something

nope i don't have an opinion on shit

what was the

story when the storage broke i came away and said hey

listen to podcasts boy they tore me up when i said

oh you scared of me

i was just trying to tell people hey they get tablets, you know.

They just thought he wasn't coming home.

Niggas start getting confident because they was like, you know, I don't give a fuck.

He can hear it.

I'll say what I want to him.

What y'all going to do when he comes home in the event that they don't lock him up forever?

I said, oh, this.

But I don't think he comes home on bullshit.

I don't.

I think he comes home

to continue to do the work or start to do the work if he didn't.

I hope so.

Yeah, I do think that.

But that pull-up on Tara could have been read two ways.

It could have been read as, hey, brother, there's really nothing to worry about

or a threat.

Particularly since you could have just not said anything.

I know what you said.

Right.

It got back to me.

And I'm letting this is my way of letting you know

that I know.

Right.

That's all.

Yeah.

So old school gangster shit.

That is old school gangster.

That's what I'm saying.

It didn't make me feel like he's on the road to recovery when I heard this.

I was like, oh, he's still playing for a boy.

Much love.

Right.

Yep.

There you go.

Yep.

Love.

Tell that brother there's no beef between us.

Yeah.

Much love.

Oh, man.

So you don't feel anything

needs to be expounded upon with regards to how you feel?

Say more.

Outside of just the prison, you don't believe it belongs in prison, but you don't really believe that he should have been

not held accountable.

The problem is, I don't believe a prison can ever hold people accountable.

Gotcha, gotcha.

You know what I mean?

So the question for me was, if I were the juror, what would I decide?

If they gave him three years.

I could live.

You would think that was fair?

Yeah,

that sounds about right.

Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.

Anything more than three.

To be honest, if I were the judge right now, I would give him a year and a day on each count

on each one.

Yeah, like, yeah, that's what I would do.

So, consecutive, not consecutive, yeah.

Or two years, so whatever.

Like, he would do two years, he would have already done one, and I'd do another.

I just, I just would you have given him a bail?

If you were the judge,

what would be the point?

Would I give him a bail?

That's an interesting question.

Again, I don't really believe in that.

So that's that's why.

As me, yeah, I gave him bail.

Okay.

The only time I think bail should be used, honestly, is if someone's a flight risk or a risk to harm people.

Now, you could argue that he is, but the problem with that is he wasn't found guilty of that.

So now you're using the law for something he didn't.

You know what I mean?

You can't say, well, he blew up Cuddy's car, so you can't let him out.

He didn't, legally, he didn't blow up Cuddy's car.

So that's a good point.

I never even thought about that.

In the very beginning of the case, you can say, yo, he's a potential harm to people.

But now that the case has been

completed, you can't say, yo, dog, he's a harm to people because he has a that's a good one.

But here's what the judge said about that.

But here's what the judge said about that, real quick.

The judge said in the trial, he's already admitted, even though he wasn't charged with it, he admitted to being violent and these things in the testimony.

The defense even conceded that.

But that's a slippery slope in a very day.

Because that's saying, basically,

if you give him a year and a day,

that 367th day, if you held him based on the fact that he is violent and commit these acts, I mean, could potentially commit these acts, that don't stop on the 380th day.

And that's where the state will rely on the lie that they're trying to use.

They're rehabilitative.

That if we put him in jail for a year, he'll be corrected and then he'll come out okay, but we can't let him out until we fix him.

And that and prisons don't fix nobody.

That's a contradiction.

And that's the book.

But that's that's the bush.

That's the argument that they're going to make.

You know what I mean?

So you said what would be the point in him getting bailed?

Well, I mean, like, if he's going to be sentenced to go to jail anyways.

You've been to jail?

I've been to, yeah.

Yeah.

Well, no, not jail.

Well, wait, hold on.

Maybe.

Jail, yeah.

Well, my point is, if you

after a year of jail or prison,

I promise you, if somebody says you're out to October.

After a week of sitting in a room.

What?

A year, nigga?

After four days, if somebody said, yo, you could go home for four months, but you might have to come back.

No, I can't.

After 16 minutes.

We were literally talking about the fact that they're moving sentencing up to this month.

Yeah, so that's.

That has not been decided.

That has not been decided.

There's a hearing with the CC.

Because October is still the official date.

Yes, okay.

So that's the only reason what I was basing it off of, not for anything else.

But again, even if it were next week.

Bro, if they told me, yo, you're going to get a new bail hearing at the end of July.

This is the beginning of July.

Right.

Nigga, send me the fuck home where I could get some real food and hug my kids and do all of the other things that

you're like, what are we talking about?

Mel, you get a call from an unknown number tomorrow

no

prison slash jail that's what it says on the cell phones now no no no i ain't saying it's puff i'm saying it's an associate calling you saying that upon release hot and bothered is the very first place that puff wants to stop to give his

how he's feeling his state of mind what he's thinking

Actually, he's not sure he'll be do any more interviews, but he wants to stop at Hot and Bothered to get this out.

That's possible.

Your questions up here are

tough.

It's tough.

Yo, I ain't gonna lie, for some reason,

the questions up here are tough.

That's not an easy question for me to answer, honestly.

Really?

Yeah.

It's not an easy question for you to answer, honestly, or not an easy question for you to answer.

That's a punctuation supervisor.

It's not easy for me to answer a question for me to answer, comma, honestly.

Oh, that was funny.

Well played, sir.

Go.

Should we come back to you?

Yeah, come back to me.

Flip.

No my answer.

Oh, you what?

Yo, you know what?

Can we pick him up?

So we're recognizing that.

JR.

JR will be right there.

Two JR.

Nico.

Nah.

No.

Nah.

I'm cool.

Mark?

Well, I think given our new situation, I have some say in this because

I need a little percentage of that interviewer.

Yes.

So you would want the interview to get done.

If it's on this network, I need it to get done.

I got bills to pay.

But

if he said, Mark, I want you to be the person to do it.

I mean, I'd be a little nervous as a setup.

Man, you're going to dust that suit off.

Oh, yes.

Yes, yes.

I'm not.

Wait, nervous as a setup.

I'm intending to deliberate.

sure.

Wait, nervous has a setup.

What's the setup?

What's the setup?

Ass open.

Yeah, I've been critical enough of Puff that I would be worried that if two guys pulled up in a limbo like, hey, we're gonna take you to the interview, I might end up like Joe Pesci again.

You know what I mean?

You know, and that's what's so funny is that everybody has the same idea that

cross him, and then there's repercussions and consequences.

Yeah, no, I haven't crossed them, just to be clear, in case anybody's listening, I haven't crossed them.

Even nerves have that idea.

Yeah, I don't think nobody got the idea.

I think that

some people just were literally, we were literally just discussing it like three seconds ago in reference to Toray and who else, whoever else spoke out about him.

Yeah, they made a joke about it.

I'm teasing, but it's something that has been a picture of my

idea for a very long time.

It did not

worry about nothing crazy happening.

If anything, if I had, if Puff had age or something, I said he would,

we would, he would tell me privately.

We would be in a private space and he would, it would be dealt with whatever way it got dealt with.

But

he'll be happy.

He's the same last.

Yeah.

I'll be like Glass Joe.

When we might take the punch out.

I'll be right in the line, right behind the stairs Stokes.

No, but yeah, I would do the interview.

I think as a journalist, I feel like.

Who better?

Yeah, somebody's got to ask tough questions.

And somebody from our culture.

Yeah, that would be my concern.

There are people who I wouldn't, but he would be somebody I would.

Gotcha.

There's things I want to know.

And I'm not confident that someone else will ask them.

Got it.

Now, if they tell you, don't ask us A, B, C, D, then I'm out.

Got it.

I'm probably out.

Maybe.

Have you decided yet?

Yeah.

Under the same circumstances, if I was not hobbled by not, by you can't ask this, you can't ask that, then yes, there would be some extraordinarily hard questions that that I would want answers to.

But if I was told that there were limitations, absolutely not.

I would have zero interest.

Even if you knew you'd get 50 million views?

Yes.

Because you would.

I respect that.

Both of y'all.

Y'all both have way more integrity than I do.

Even with all the danger.

I ain't gonna lie.

Nigga, I'd be doing a Harlem shake in the video.

Hold on.

For a second, he's gonna say what?

Even with all the danger that he's caused to women out there?

Those would be my hard-hitting questions.

That would be primarily all my questions.

But would you be afraid as a woman?

No.

Okay.

Get security.

Bring the bear.

Hat flip up there.

No, I'm not going to be afraid.

You won't go to Rondell?

No.

He said, no.

I would go.

Thank you.

I appreciate that.

No, I don't think that I would be fearful.

Fuck y'all up.

I mean.

Puff.

Hey, yo, puff.

Girl, what happened?

I was in the bathroom.

His hands were you and kissed me.

Guess I got to do the interview now.

Yo, shit.

Come to Nightcat.

Yo.

Yo, welcome to night school.

That abortion.

I don't think, like I said, I think Puff is coming out to do some work.

I hope so.

I think he's coming out to do some work.

You sit that long,

you hear a judge deny you a $50 million bail package, you throw yourself in these situations where money and status don't really help, you start to appreciate things differently.

I agree.

But what does he look like two years?

I agree with all that.

What does he look like two years from now?

Because sometimes people feel like that year one, that feeling wears off.

Everything wears off, though.

Now you feel untouchable then.

And that's what I'm saying.

Because if I was him, I might feel real good about myself.

body, bro.

That's not.

How could you not?

How could you not feel good about yourself?

But you still, but you still recognize the body.

In two years, he'll be a little bit more.

You still recognize the pop out.

Then

Shorty Dewop, which is part of what the problem is.

Yeah, that's true.

Is that

how America feels about DV is different from how America wants people to think it feels about DV.

I agree.

That's real.

And I think that's based on the commonality.

I think like a lot of more,

especially like some of my friends that are in law enforcement.

They like, yo, especially.

You got a cop friends.

You got friends in law enforcement?

Yeah, you do.

You got friends with a badge, nigga?

Yeah.

No, I don't.

You do?

But we spoke about you.

I don't speak to them if they have a badge.

Anyway.

Who are you talking to?

I don't speak to a nigga with a badge.

Sorry, y'all.

You got it, bro.

So look, my man was like, yo, he was a cop in like an affluent community in New Jersey.

He said, yo, a ton of their calls are DV calls.

Like,

cops, judges, a lot of them be beating their wives' asses.

Like, a lot of people in law enforcement really are some of the biggest perpetrators of domestic violence.

I had talked to a cop before, and he was like, yo, the worst day is Christmas morning.

And majority of it is DV calls.

The worst day they did, he's like, not New Year's, running down all the holidays where you think the calls will be the most.

It's Christmas morning.

Christmas morning?

Yep.

I didn't get that gift.

One person feels like I did more for you than you in a DV situation.

He was like, yo, this is

constant.

It's disgusting.

Christmas morning.

It's disgusting.

So yeah.

Yeah, I think more people,

even women, I think more people go through or are victims of domestic violence than they would let on.

Yeah.

Because you're living under this guise of this happy marriage, this happy family.

You're not leaving.

So you don't even want to tell anybody that you're getting.

Yeah, yeah.

So I think that niggas are a little bit more sympathetic to it than they would let on.

And thank you guys for that.

We were having a conversation last night on night school about kink.

You're getting a little freaky already.

After midnight, yeah,

after school.

And we were talking about,

in context of Diddy, like

there was a lot of kink shaming that happened in

his trial.

And a lot of, to me, the prosecution's case partially rested on that.

Rested on that?

Assuming that we'd be so

we'd make him a deviant and then we put deviants in jail.

So what he wants on his nipples, what he likes to do here, who he likes to bring into it.

Do you think that the country has matured because of this at all?

No.

Of our king, or gotten,

or the opposite, taking a step back.

You know what I mean?

I think they've progressed.

You think so?

I think that.

I'm hoping so.

Like, to your point, I think the prosecution thought we were going to paint him to be this sexual

deviant.

And that was going to really carry our case when you start talking about the things that he was doing.

Because middle America and a lot of America,

even not even middle America, niggas be fronting about what they're doing in their bedroom, my nigga.

Yeah.

A lot of niggas be fronting, and men, especially about what they're doing in their bedroom.

So they thought it was going to carry it.

It didn't carry it because.

I think that's the late.

I think you hit the nail on the head.

I think the lesson is.

Yo, that's what he does for a living.

Sorry.

Idiot.

My bad.

Dad jokes.

Nobody hammers nothing no more.

Ain't no horn They screw guns, asshole.

But go ahead, yeah.

No, but I think that's part of it is that I think they underestimated how many people do the shit that Puff do.

And that's the part I didn't think about either.

You know what I mean?

A lot of people are like, oh, shit, if that's illegal, what the fuck have I been doing?

Or if that's freaky, what the fuck have I been doing?

And that was the point that I was trying to make earlier about

him having the trial here in New York.

All right, never mind.

Would I miss something?

May I just be lying on the points that she made?

But we love love her, so we don't say nothing, bro.

No, I did say that.

I did say the lives of people here in New York are very adventurous, exciting.

Like, we see a lot of shit, so something like what came out in trial wouldn't necessarily phase them, right?

Like, wife swapping.

What do you call it?

Um, I did say cooking, I did say that.

Swinging is what I was going for, yeah, cooking, too.

I mean, I don't, I didn't know much about cooking, but as I

what I heard,

until I see the fish

no but like as I learned as the thing I learned about it wasn't just that

I found out what it was as a term but more like I was more interested on like the internet and even you know on shows and platforms people like oh yeah I'm into that or I love educated people talking about sex the thing I learned about cooking in my research yes

no but just it's just mad fascinating to me like I wonder if as a society, we may have turned the corner on this shit.

Like, people might actually be more open.

Because, like, when I was growing up, like, people acted, every dude acted like eating ass was like the craziest shit they ever did.

Everybody pretended.

The nigga eating pussy was.

No, eating pussy was the start, right?

Like, pussy, Nick.

Huh?

How old did you?

46.

Yeah.

So, like, in my teenage years, it was like eating pussy.

Everybody pretended they didn't eat pussy.

We were all eating pussy.

You know what I mean?

Everybody who was having sex was eating pussy.

Like, it's just, you just were.

And then in the 20s, well, you weren't.

I'm older than you, though.

That's why I asked you how old you are.

That shit just came out.

Three years older than me.

That shit just came out.

That shit came out of PlayStation.

That shit.

No, no, no, no.

That shit matter.

That shit just dropped.

No, I cried.

Yo, how old are you?

46.

Yeah.

Nigga.

That's not true.

That little three, four-year difference, man.

Nigga, Lil' Kim and them start about taking in the, all of that shit changed society, nigga.

Fuck was you talking to you?

They just wasn't letting you do that for Lil Kim, man.

Lil' Kim didn't change society.

You're bugging.

You're bugging.

You are bugging.

Man.

This is what you do, man.

It was watching.

Niggas wasn't talking about it.

I used to be scared of the dick.

Now I throw lip.

No, girls wasn't admitting that.

All the shit I do.

I'm saying they was doing it.

Please.

You know that's going to be a clip of that.

Yo, y'all niggas is front.

I know what girls like first.

Yo, y'all niggas is looking like that.

Yo, y'all niggas is front, bro.

The girls wasn't openly admitting that shit like that before.

I didn't say it was admitting that, I'm saying they was doing it, though.

That's what I was talking about.

But the change to society is the girls are being way more open about

it.

Yes, it went from that.

It went from being taboo to being bragged about.

Yes.

Lil White had everybody eating pussy.

Y'all think Sucking Dick was taboo in 94?

Taboo.

Asking some of the things that you're saying.

Yes, yes, yes, yes.

Taboo?

Absolutely.

Okay, I'm not saying that.

Not mainstream.

Are you telling me?

I'm just

two vanilla ass niggas.

And we're not saying that they wasn't doing it.

We're talking about taboo.

How hard was you doing on Front Street?

14.

How the fuck you know what niggas was doing outside and what was Taboo at 14?

Ish, I was doing 14.

I don't know who you talking about.

I'm not your way.

I'm not your way.

At 14, I was gone.

He was in a playback.

He acted like he don't hear you either.

I know.

Wait, no, I'll have to have it.

Too late.

You'll catch you later.

What did y'all niggas say?

You know what I'm saying?

This is something about 14.

That's some some crazy shit.

These niggas know what's going on because he was doing it.

Yeah.

Niggas say he had his own apartment at 14.

That nigga is crazy.

I was getting it, but no,

it is a little bit different.

Me, and it's also like cultural, societal.

Like when I went to the

cult.

No.

Everything that we go back to the cult.

That's the cult.

That's the fucking culture.

And also, nobody was off limits in the cult.

They might have been taking that shit literal.

No, they really weren't.

No!

Like,

niggas, yeah, they'll kick it off.

Take the call for shit.

Morgan,

you share your pain with niggas, and this is what they do.

See, Imani, I get it worse than you do.

Oh, man.

Oh, man.

You know?

Oh, some shit hurts.

What I was saying is...

Like, in the hood, girls would be like, like, like, like, oral sex was like the,

like, a girl sucking dick was like the thing you did for your boyfriend.

That was like the last thing you did.

Whereas in the white neighborhoods that I was around, that was the first thing they did.

They'd be like, I didn't fuck him.

I just sucked his dick.

Whereas, like, no black girl I knew would have said that in the night.

It was the exact opposite.

You know what I mean?

So I'm just saying, like, some of it is

based on it.

It's a thousand percent accurate.

Yeah.

That's all.

For real.

All right.

What'd you say, buddy?

No, it was Paul.

Oh, what'd you say, Paul?

Now I don't know about Kenneth.

Do y'all think it was, speaking of what Ish was saying about Lil Kim?

Do y'all think it was right for Lil Kim to spit those lyrics at such a young age?

I loved it.

The album was a classic.

She's older than me.

Can't control women.

I love the empowerment of it.

What was wild to me was that Big was writing it.

So I'm thinking, like, I always imagine Big sitting at the desk, like, writing, you know, Queen's Britch Supreme.

But I mean, like, for me, that was the thing.

Like, I thought...

That was the thing I loved about Big was that he was able to put himself into that mind frame and that

to write for women the same way Neil does.

Man, I'm glad you said that.

No,

don't start that.

Don't start that, bro.

I think I know where this is going.

Leave, boy.

Leave, no.

I know where this is going.

Stop.

All right, we did it already.

When I was a guest here, my first time as a guest,

you said some women shit about big.

I don't know exactly what it was.

You know what it was.

You.

You.

Cool.

About you said in the alternate life him and Tupac are bisexual and all that stuff.

You said

I said in a Marvel What If

comic style episode,

I could see the

big and pop beef really just being a

gay or bisexual quarrel.

And then after they're fighting over Paul.

You should not really Marvel.

Yeah, I could see that.

You said, I wouldn't even say in the Marvel world

after that.

No, I could see it in real life.

That's real.

I did the Marvel thing to protect my opinion.

But

I could definitely, definitely i could see that i could see that

but that's not what i was about to tell you i went to a studio session not too long ago and it was uh a female rapper

she had some guys in there

that almost me up when he went in there to lay the reference for her like in the booth

Like I'm sitting there just scrolling.

Yeah, nigga, just throwing.

And I get all the money if I suck his balls.

This nigga was doing no.

It was a hard-ass verse for a girl.

But I just forgot what was going on.

And I looked up like,

hold up.

Yo, rap has changed.

I left just in time.

By the time it was rugged.

Yellows in there, killing that shit.

I suck a dick and I take a trips.

And I'm just like, I was like, yo, yo, he's the first.

But he was right in the fur.

So

that's that's funny, son.

It's talent.

It is talent.

It is talent, no talent.

I'm going wherever you're going after the party.

I'm going where you going.

Anytime you put the lips in the

earrings, I'm going where she's going.

She's going to a bashman.

I heard that part.

I was here for that.

I was on the sideline.

I'm going to more detail.

Gene dress, stop playing.

And things are coming back like they used to be.

You didn't do bashments?

No, I don't.

No, I'm trying to.

What's coming back?

It's never been an abashment, first of all.

I don't know what what that is.

I don't even know what it is.

Y'all know that.

Y'all thought Ish knew that?

I might have been locked up during that time.

No, I don't know what that is.

And I'm going to make fun of him for the phone.

Like I did to me.

I mean, in fairness, abashment is a little more culturally obscure than

gangstar in New York.

Shut up, man.

On a music podcast.

I guess it depends on what part of New York you're in.

Man, I was saying that everything is getting back like it used to be.

Is this the new?

That's what I was asking you.

You going to New York spot?

Yeah, I'm going to Queens.

Oh, that makes sense.

Hello.

That's what's up.

Brill Panner.

Are you going to Sandy Cookout?

No.

You're going to some foreign shit.

That's why you got your stonewashed skirt on.

Go out there, gang.

I know.

Yo, what's up, Guan?

Got the Yardi outfit on.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Got you.

Go, Mel.

I did not think anybody was going to pick up on that.

Oh, I picked up on it.

That's why you said you're going to a bashman.

I was like, oh, okay.

She's going to call so cool.

I'm literally West Indian, like, but okay.

You're all of the races.

No, she is Bayesian.

She's all of the Bayesian language.

I've literally been.

You've said that on this episode before.

I've said it my whole life because that's what I am.

And Russian.

Yes.

Yeah.

I have one white parent and one black parent.

So yes.

Yes.

That's right.

Yes.

Russian Jamaican.

No, Russian.

I'm going to run it to you and that's why.

Excuse me.

And Japanese.

No, she never said she's Japanese.

Switzerland, Swiss, right?

Scandinavian.

Swiss beach.

Swahili.

are you bringing um you bringing something to this drink

I know you baked banana bread the other day.

I was just curious to know I ain't get around to it.

They ain't get around to it.

Um, I'm bringing liquor.

That's that all that always wins

Yeah, real quick.

They said that Derek the one that's left Derek Groves, he may have changed his appearance.

The police put out bug shots of him being in wigs, short haircut, and long braids.

Smart.

Smart man.

Look at this shit.

Smart.

I told y'all he was going to be the one.

He did say that.

And he's killing that shit.

This is from the New Orleans breakout, right?

And listen, that wasn't even the shocker for me.

The shocker was when they arrested the second to last guy and took pictures.

Dude in the picture got the nerve to look pissed off and annoyed with every tattoo on his face, neck, ears.

He got a big Detroit tiger symbol right here.

She in the picture, like, oh, they got me.

I'm like, yeah, they got you, idiot.

You put the roadmap on you.

Yeah, right.

Lord, fuck.

Ain't a hard nigga to find.

At all.

Oh, man.

That's crazy.

We can go.

I don't have nothing.

We ain't got no sleepers.

I know y'all ready.

You're already, man.

I hear it.

You couldn't wait till he sits down.

Some of my men go add something.

Well,

yeah, I hope that everyone can have something.

I'm not doing this with you.

You can tell you, man.

It's been a great show.

You can tell you what your man mind is at.

When I say one of them shits and he just brushed it off, I know he.

If he's not cracking jokes, yeah, man, 4th of July.

Trying to keep everything efficient.

Like we promised.

I just wanted you to crack jokes with me, my brother.

Supposed to play like how about some hardcore?

Yeah, you gotta give him some MOP.

You know what I mean?

It's the 5th of July.

No.

I was never doing that.

Some people have barbecue hangovers right now.

Some people are doing a barbecue right now.

People with their family, their side joints.

That's true.

Some people at the bashman shaking some ass.

Hey, here you go.

And I know it's gonna be

Alright, we are gone until the next time.

Hopefully you enjoyed this 4th of July podcast.

We're getting the fuck out of here.

I can tell.

These niggas don't want to talk.

Keep us in your prayers.

Lord knows we need to be there.

Until the next time, and bid you a due farewell audio.

Serena Dirty Alpha Leasta Argua or so long.

Goodbye will suffice remember life is a series of moments and moments pass so let's make this one last as if it's all we have

all right

hopefully everybody enjoyed their fourth of July

enjoy your holiday weekend

Weekend plans, anybody, anybody, anything funny, anything funny, anything fun?

We baby free.

We just running around.

Just running around, bro.

I might end up with a

whole fuck knows.

How might hit y'all?

Yeah.

Don't think we got shit.

Let's get a run going.

Yeah, let's do it.

Tear the streets up.

Yeah.

We do a little love island watch party, y'all man.

Facts.

And when someone else is standing up there

always seems to know when

I look at you.

Alright, we're going after the hook.

Remember, please be safe.

Shout out to any of you niggas that blew your fucking fingers off last night.

Shout out to y'all.

Shout out to everybody in the urgent care because you're trying to put the M80 in your mouth because the bitches pull the bitches pulling up.

fucking stupid

shout to some of you niggas with the cheap fireworks.

Make sure you set up in a different part of the grass than the real niggas.

Hey, buddy, it took a long chair out to the motherfucking east side yesterday.

Salute, salute, salute, salute, salute, salute.

Hey.

And everybody that's doing some fucking this week, man.

Shout out to y'all this weekend.

Little 4th of July pussy.

Till next time.

We love each and every one of y'all out there.

We'll be back, same time, same place.

Next week, God willing.

And now for Daggy.

JBP, JBP.

Where would you be without the JBP?