Episode 829 | "The Thickening Agent"

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How's everybody doing?

Feeling great.

Everybody's great.

Awesome.

Feeling good.

Awesome.

Awesome.

Mel, you got an extra glow to you today.

Do I?

Yes.

Yeah, you do.

First of all, you came in smiling, shining.

I did.

Spoke to everybody.

Really?

How you about the snag and cheese?

Shit was lit.

I came with the pan, right?

She walked in and said, where's my theme music?

Oh, shit.

On the walk-in.

What would the theme music be?

Yeah.

So what would you want us to have players?

She said the champ is here.

The champ is here.

Oh.

Let me see if that's in the Serrato for Big Mel.

Yeah, the Champ is here.

Have you heard it before?

yes, I have.

You caught the subliminals?

I mean, there's no subliminals.

It's like it's blatant.

It's outright.

Yes, there we go.

All right.

Skewed up.

Skewed up.

Whenever you're ready.

Oh, oh, oh, oh.

Oh.

Been ready.

Oh, shit.

The champ is here.

I just like shit by here.

The champ is here.

This shit is crunch, crunch, champ is shit.

The champ is here.

Add some more to that.

Come on.

That's just a weird.

Yeah, there you go.

Alright, Mel has pulled out an ice cream sword.

Mel has pulled out her Gracie Award.

It's kind of heavy.

She curled it.

Now he put out two anthems a year.

Hold up, make some noise.

Hold up, make some noise in here.

Let's go.

Hootie-hoo!

Too quiet in the room right now.

Hold up.

Act like y'all been around a Gracie Award winner before.

Nobody else ever pulled that box out.

That's a fact.

That's right.

It's a fact, Freeze.

How do you feel?

I feel.

Yeah, do you have a speech?

Well, Mark already acknowledged my glow.

So that might be part of the reason.

That's not the speech.

That's not the speech.

Well, I would like to thank everybody for

acknowledging this win.

I would like to thank my cast here for constantly being supportive.

Give yourself a round of applause.

Thank you.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

All right.

I would like to thank the Alliance for Women in Media.

Thank you so much for this prestigious national award.

Thank you very much.

And I'd also like to thank my haters

who are very, very motherfucking quiet right now.

Haven't heard a peep out of y'all motherfuckers.

Not a motherfucking peep.

And y'all are going to be so sick of this.

Well, because maybe they don't know what the.

oh,

you're right.

They probably,

you're right.

They probably don't know what this award is.

They probably have no clue what this fucking award is because they will never get into the motherfucking room to win this

award.

Reverse card.

Exactly.

An award that has been given to Oprah Winfrey, to Hoda Carfey, to fucking Gail King, and every else everyone else.

And Melissa Fucker.

And Melissa must have been a little bit more.

Talk about it.

Okay.

I also noticed something.

What did you notice?

Noticed you got some new earrings.

Who bought them?

Ba-bang!

I was watching.

Hey!

You noticed it!

Who bought this shit?

It was shining.

Her shits used to be cloudy.

I'm like, uh-uh.

She shits a shining.

I can't see.

So

make some noise, man.

Stop playing with Big Male.

You didn't buy that yourself.

You know what?

As a matter of fact, I did.

I bought them as a congratulatory gift

to myself.

Shout out to you, man.

Shout out to you.

It looks nice.

Love it.

It looks nice.

Please don't lie.

Did somebody give you the money to buy it?

Like some old school shit?

Yo, yeah.

It felt like anti-gracie to ask that question, but I wasn't wondering that.

No, no, I bought them as a congratulations.

So did myself.

You went to K's?

I mean, K's.

Did you go into K's?

I did not go into K's.

You went to a jeweler?

Yes.

Okay, good.

It looks nice.

I'm proud of you.

Shout out to all the women in the category that we beat.

Shout out to all the women in the category that we beat.

Too much to name?

Absolutely.

Yes.

50 of them.

Too much to name.

Too many to name, yes.

But yes.

What's the category?

The category is.

Hold on.

Oh, you don't want another category?

I know it's under red.

Next year, we ain't give a shit.

I'm reading the official engraving on the Gracie Award.

You'll just be accepting shit.

Hey, thank you.

That's hate.

That's hate, but it's okay.

Give me a category.

That's okay.

You got it.

Don't dab him up.

Don't dab him up.

Don't dab him up.

You're right, you're right.

I take my dad.

Okay.

I would draw my own way.

Thank you.

Oh, so happy you all have been naked

to see me.

Mel, you walked.

Hot and bothered with Melissa Ford.

Original online programming video podcast.

That's what that says.

Engraved.

Dope.

That's the category.

Thank you.

That was the category that I wanted.

And there was a lot of incredible women in that room.

A lot of amazing stories.

I felt, I felt.

Who else was in the the category?

I felt like I was amongst my ilk, except it doesn't matter.

Who else?

People who said that

everybody that says honor being nominated, yeah, until you win.

Samantha

won't win.

Samantha Dodges.

Bam.

The podcast about.

Stop the hate campaign.

Just congratulate your little sis.

Just congratulate her.

You're right.

It's a big honor.

No, it is.

I just like it.

It's all right.

Extremely proud.

Extremely proud.

What did you say, Mark?

For an award, it's all for women, right?

Yes,

the organization is the Alliance for Women in Media.

That's dope.

Why do they make the award so phallic?

I was just genuinely curious.

You think it's.

Yeah.

This is actually,

you know.

Is it a woman?

Yes, it's a woman.

It's based off of Grace.

It's a Grace.

It does look a little bit like a little bit of a woman.

So my hand is blind a little bit.

Turn it around for a while.

It looks a little bit more.

Okay, now I see the work.

Now I see it.

You guys are, you guys need help.

From this angle, I can't see a woman.

It just looks like, now I see it.

Or like an ice cream scoop.

Yeah, that part looks like ice cream.

Yeah, man.

I'll skip my inappropriate show.

Why?

Join in in the fun.

Pizza cutter meat.

There's only one way to be able to tell.

Look at that shit, yo.

Original online pro.

This shit is crazy.

I'm proud of you.

Thank you.

That's dope, yo.

Yeah, yo, yo.

I'm so proud, yo.

So I went and bought myself a case for all my future wins.

Ah.

For the Gracie.

Like, you just straight going for Gracie Carl.

Oh, no, no, no.

I'm going for all of them.

I'm going for all of them.

NAACP, Webby, I'm going for all of them.

NAACP is a tricky one for you.

What side are you going to stand on?

The C is for color.

Thank you.

Cut head.

Help me, Mark.

Help me.

The C is for color.

She's good.

Oh, okay.

I got you.

You're good.

Thank you.

And she's black.

So she can win an NAAC.

She can totally win an NAAC.

I mean, she's eligible.

But can she win it?

That's a signal.

Without Payola.

I don't think she knows that.

There's no such thing as Payola in the NAAC.

It is all merit.

It's all merit.

Everything Melissa's award she's going to get is going to be because she's earned it.

And I believe it.

Thanks, man.

I think you can get all of them.

I actually was thinking bigger.

Don't just think Webby, though.

Like, go beyond Webby.

That's what I'm saying.

Yeah, yeah.

Egot.

Yeah, Egot.

You act.

That's what I'm saying.

No, no, no.

I'm just talking strictly about podcasting here.

I see.

I can see you on Broadway.

We're just letting Mandy know what's good right now.

So, yeah, I actually have been off Broadway though.

Oh, okay.

See?

You're right in the

running.

You're in the game.

Yeah, you know.

Yeah.

Thank you.

You put out a little spoken word album or something.

No, he got tied up.

You right there.

And one more time.

Round of applause for Melissa Ford.

Who do you own?

Who do you fucking know?

All you bitches that we don't know about, we never heard, which is five views.

Melissa Ford came and smoked you out the park.

We are proud.

Thank you.

I appreciate that.

I appreciate that.

One of of the best diss tracks ever.

Who got this in his record, man?

It's subliminal.

You gotta listen carefully.

I never thought about that one.

Yeah.

That technically works, but it's still a bit more.

That's this is this.

Oh, this is so fun.

Like, who's he talking to?

Yeah, somebody.

Somebody.

daddy's I took them off for night years.

You don't find y'all talk shit like little children

like bitches when I walk up in the middle

just get it

high flooding your block the best way Professionally don't find poison in your escape Desire from the sister in that seat when you sit on my wall Taking shots of Louis to a fall Nothing to lose just loads the clip up in the the groove.

Make rounds to the poster, do I swear big move?

My team, you would think we're doing 14.

How we flow, don't give a fuck with his car.

Being mad, I supply it now.

My squad rolls deep.

Them farm cars is too cheap.

Coming to five, but fake a few G.

I need one of y'all to be a DJ in the club.

If I get the DJ in the club over this right now, I'll go body something outside.

I'll go outside and slide something.

If somebody just starts screaming right this second over the song, I'm going to go air something out.

Tell us.

Back enough coke to last a few weeks.

You got it.

These niggas want to pass back.

You really can't.

Y'all get nuts like that.

Best for you to keep on walking.

Happy birthday, gift.

What up out there?

Nigga, why you grilling the locks?

If this rap shit don't work, niggas stealing the spots.

You bring it to me, I got it.

Jay Wan, them niggas on your ass in them ditch streets.

That's it.

Got his cat, still tryna study my lap.

You're the beat taste in the hat bottle.

Got me where I can't be without my large gap.

Stephanie's low, sleeve, and my hard hat.

No matter if I'm opening up.

Here we go, man.

Speed limit.

Pushing red line.

No, I ain't got any more.

We got the game master.

I'm in-ish.

You know what I mean?

Keep this applause going for the best crew in the universe.

Get these drops out the way real quick.

Excuse me, sir.

I'm sorry I have to wake you.

You are doctor.

Flip.

And Mel, Mel, Mel.

All right, what episode is this?

829.

Welcome to episode 829 of the Joe Button podcast.

I'm your humble, grateful, gracious, highly favored host, Joe Button, here, not for a long time either.

My boys play tonight.

Yeah, that's a fact.

My boy.

Yeah, I mean, gotta be in front of the TV tonight.

You dodged a bullet on Friday, nigga.

I was about to show up at your door talking shit.

Well, y'all was down 20, I was lacing up my sneaks, dog.

I know you was feeling sick when you thought they was about to be down.

Well, that's when we really start playing.

Oh, God.

That's what y'all was waiting for.

First team in a play by play era to come back from a 20-point Deverson three times at the playoffs.

I mean,

come on, man.

Come on.

It's Nick's stuff.

I told you, worry about

summer camp,

scouting reports,

looking at the young players, seeing what you're going to do with that third pick.

I mean, lottery team shouldn't really, you know what I mean?

You know what?

You got me.

Just two more games.

Told you, paces in five.

Listen, we're comfortable on the road, but we'll talk about this later.

Yep, indeed.

This episode is brought to you by Fueled by Power by Prize Picks.

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To my right.

Come on, man.

You know the motherfucking vibes.

Gracie Award.

Gracie is stopping her.

Acting like she was on the highway, but she was Willie in the crib.

Huh?

Because I went back and listened to that episode.

Get the lies off.

Miss, I'm going to bake the mac and cheese in real time, and you guys are going to taste it in the park.

Round of applause for the winner, Miss Melissa Savannah Falls.

Thank you.

Thank you very much.

To her, right.

You know who I am.

You know what I'm about.

You know what I came here to do, the JBP.

We are here.

Queen's motherfucking flag.

To my right, light-skinned man is back.

White man can jump according to him, but if they do, they break their limbs.

I hear you.

You know who that is, nigga.

Rooftop missing, but still look good because of the eyes.

Library.

Round of applause, my man is.

So here's right, nigga.

I wear shorts with a hoodie, nigga, because I know it's goody.

You missed a piece at home, so you know what time it is?

Huh?

Shades, shade, shade, shade while throwing shade.

Round of applause for my nigga Freeze.

Here's right, you know who that is.

Escape the Colt.

Escape the Colt and got his doctrines, nigga.

His masters.

He He wasn't going to get it while he was in there.

He had to leave.

He survived homelessness, nigga.

Big man.

Survived homelessness.

He is the nigga that beat the bear.

Dr.

Mel.

He fought the bear and won intellectually, nigga.

Right of applause.

My man, who has people

on his night school show doing shit while he runs up the donations.

My man, Dr.

Lamar.

Mark Lamar.

We got the best in the world.

Best in the world.

Why do you think we sound the way we sound?

We can yell and the fucking levels be the same.

Round of fucking applause for the German engineer, my man, Piggity Park.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Happy being.

And everybody else, salute, salute.

Ericsson, what up?

Peace, peace, peace, everybody else.

Everybody else, what up, y'all?

All you niggas.

Thank you, Flip.

That was funny.

That was excellent.

Yeah, we in the building.

You got to do that all the time.

That was kind of fire.

Yeah, I love y'all niggas.

I love y'all.

They're looking phony ass niggas.

You got to do that all the time.

I'm just saying.

He kind of ill.

Oh, audience, I'm a little under the weather, so I ain't gonna be here for too long, but I missed everybody, so I'm gonna stop by.

But damn, Freeze, way to turn cold.

Nah, I ain't turning cold, man.

It's all for the team.

It's all for the team.

We said shade.

We did say shade with the shades.

We did say, I just.

I think we were going to leave first.

They'd be like, this is the squad right here.

Yeah.

That's coming for sure.

The nigga leaves on the bathroom.

Yo, guys.

This is it.

Hold on, hold on.

We got it.

Yo, what the fuck is wrong with you, though, man?

I don't like how you sound it.

My son.

Just got me sick.

Okay.

That's all.

And then he got better.

Okay.

And I didn't.

You thought you got a sinus infection.

That's all.

I got a little, some homeopathic stuff if you want it.

A little garbage.

Kaloidosilva?

Wrong word.

Wrong word.

Oil of a regular.

Does that strike you as homeopathic?

Yes.

Actually, yes.

First, yes.

Second, I'll send you some stuff.

I'd appreciate that.

What should he take for his sinuses?

He should do some.

What would you say, Ish?

I know you.

cell.

I would do that.

I would do some garlic.

Always do some vitamin C, always do some garbage.

You're talking about healthy shit.

All the natural stuff, you ain't got to take the or take anybody, I think.

Yeah,

yeah.

Sudafed or true since I'm trying to get him, get some amoxicillin in there, too.

Oh,

that's the shit you that's the shit we take when we get burnt.

You think we got chloridia in the nose?

How do you know that?

I'm about to say, you don't know enough words to know a moxicillin.

Man, I had a pack of a moxicillin, boy.

A girl saw that in my camera and didn't give me no box, nigga.

I know what a moxa cylinder is.

It haunts me.

Yes.

Yes.

She ain't give you no box because of a moxicillin.

Yeah, the girls used to do that, girls.

The bottle was still full.

They come and look.

I didn't even know that as a...

I don't know that women went through your stuff like that when I was doing that.

I don't do that.

I don't know that.

I did that.

I didn't know that she went into my...

I never forgot.

She went into my cabinet, took a picture of it, and then sent me a text later.

We 1,000% do that.

Men do that.

Y'all don't do that?

No, hell.

No, I'm not going in the girl's house and go search her cabinet and shit.

Oh, I might.

Oh, I'm going to take a peek.

Let's go, IK.

Really?

Yeah, but what?

No, y'all niggas is crazy.

I went on a date.

I went to a date one time.

Yeah, I went.

I seen it.

I go to the bathroom.

On purpose.

Yeah.

First thing I do, people in the medicine cabinet, hope nothing fall.

I look in there, look for shit.

And if I see a bottle that looks suspect, you know, everybody slip pills in the bottom.

Oh, you jump right on Google.

Yo.

White pill with 314.

What the fuck is this?

She had Valtrax in there.

Valtrex, nigga.

Yeah, I say anything.

I see Valtrex.

I was like, I see anyone.

I got breaking news.

That was my exit on out of dates.

I got breaking news.

I got breaking news.

And then I would just, I would just bounce.

I was cool.

Look at the journalist.

I stopped one time and found Valtrex.

I swear to God I did.

Dead ass.

I did too.

How did you handle that?

I wasn't joking.

I said, I got breaking news.

No, I got it.

And never spoke to her again.

No.

I mean, I spoke to her on the street, like, you're, but I,

no.

How'd you handle it?

It's my homegirl.

You went through your home.

Wait, wait, you went through your homegirl?

That's

just crazy.

Nah, I mean, me and Shorty was talking, but she's still my homegirl to this day, but we ain't never getting no motherfucking chocolate.

And well, now she knows.

Yeah, that does.

That's how she entered the friend zone.

Wow.

Hot spray.

Well, y'all know it's not always on.

I know, but it ain't always off.

Nobody's rolling that switch looking like over there.

Yeah, what you talking about?

I'm just joking, bro.

I'm crazy.

Foul tracks.

Anyway, I'll send you some of my sicilla.

Thank you, man.

We'll be happy that you're here, man.

Mark got that shit from Dr.

Sebi himself.

Mr.

Peace.

Miz shit ain't just the regular shit.

Yeah, he got the shit.

Yeah, he got the, you know, the mocker cell.

He pray over there.

He speaks to the ancestors and shit and get this shit.

Yeah.

Sinners.

Yeah, Miss Miz writing the book right now on the Sebis, nigga.

How's everybody Memorial Day?

Cookout?

Great.

Yeah, great.

Family shit, what y'all did?

Family shit.

I was outside running around, you know, just running around.

I was barbecue hopping.

Okay.

And I was just going to different barbecues and, you know, getting plates.

I don't really eat that much, but it was.

you went to barbecues, huh?

You went to barbecues?

Yeah, you remember.

I hit you right there now.

That was a nigga, huh?

Yeah.

You were supposed to text me where you ended up.

I ended up in Queens.

And then J.R.

did bring your name up.

I said he's somewhere in Brooklyn.

By the time you brought your name up, it was too late.

It's too late.

You know what I mean?

I said, you know, niggas don't fuck with shit.

I fuck with you, heavy, you crazy.

But this is not about us.

I went to different barbecues.

And it was great.

Documented.

And, you know, felt good about it.

That's what's up.

What What you did is?

Shit.

I ain't leave the house.

Did you have something to eat?

I mean, regular shit, I want no barbecue.

Hot dogs, hamburgers?

I don't eat that.

Okay, got you.

Stop your shit, man.

No.

Fish, nigga, getting veggies.

What it's called.

That's what I ate, but y'all didn't go to no cookouts.

I didn't go to no barbecue.

Let me guess.

You eat at a cookout.

Yeah, let me guess.

Mother-in-law went and got the fresh fish out of the lake.

You know, your shit.

That shit.

People want to pick up your family and go,

my family cooking fresh.

That's shit.

You got it, bro.

What I eat at a cookout?

Yeah.

Because you said you don't eat burgers and hot dogs and shit.

You don't?

You don't eat red meat?

Turkey burgers.

Turkey burgers.

Oh, okay, okay.

You take them with you?

Chicken?

You bring it up.

What do you bring them with you?

You got a little cooler.

Yo, big dog.

Excuse me.

If you told me three of these are budgets, turkey burgers.

Yo, only eat these on this side.

But they're cooking it on top of something.

They don't move it over and clean the shit.

They cook it right on top of the beef.

It ain't that serious, my nigga.

Turkey burgers and chicken.

Say no more.

Good stuff.

Freeze, what we did, Freeze?

My girl's daughter's birthday, so we had a little birthday party for her.

That's it.

That's it.

It's kid shit for me.

I ain't in no cookouts, no nothing, but it was amazing.

I had my phone off damn near.

I ain't really have to deal with no family shit.

That's nice and relaxing.

Yes.

I'm starting to

realize.

Yeah, yeah.

I'm starting to realize that.

That's your bag, though.

You be like taking like regular ordinary shit and putting like 10 or 20 on it.

No.

I'm starting to realize, kid, my phone.

It's only off when you sleep, nigga.

No, it don't.

I'm starting to realize.

But that's my problem.

I started to realize going to the kitchen by yourself.

This shit great.

I love you.

No, you be right.

But I'll be like, this is reckless shit we should be doing.

I don't talk.

That's my problem.

I don't talk shit off.

Can you be right?

My family agree with your belly.

I'm just starting to realize.

I love what you're doing.

Breathe right.

But you have fun with the family and shit like you said, putting a 10 on 20 on it.

You stupid.

No, you didn't do that, Mom.

Nah, our babysitter bailed on us Friday.

I was actually trying to kick it with Ice and Joe on Saturday, and the babysitter bailed that morning.

So we ended up having kids all weekend, which was fine.

Our kid, but then, so I had my daughter, my oldest daughter, come with her kids.

So we just made it.

So I had the grandkids come.

So I just had all the kids at the house for the weekend.

We took them to Turtleback Zoo yesterday for Memorial Day.

Which daughter, the oldest?

Yeah, the oldest.

Yeah, the one that has two kids.

Yep,

the one that I met more recently.

So I drove them up, had a car, bring them up from Philly the kids.

Your newest oldest.

My newest oldest.

How did that feel, man?

It was great, man.

My son got to spend some time with his nieces, his four and one-year-old nieces, some real hood shit, you know.

And they had a ball at the zoo.

They didn't want to leave.

How did they fight each other?

Did you have to have a talk?

Before she got there, anybody?

No, no,

everybody know everything, so it's no secrets.

He gets a little confused with understanding the family member thing.

So I just say they're your cousins for now.

Yeah, let's figure it out.

His communication, you know, because you know, yo, he just came back speaking English like this motherfucker, like last week, out of no, like, I have never heard him speak English before, but I think the kids.

But he spoke it up here, I told you.

He told us a couple words to you because, you know what I mean?

And y'all had a good dialogue.

He's like,

right, right.

I had to pace myself a little bit, you know what I mean.

Yeah,

sorry, but this shit is starting to speak.

He was out of nowhere.

Freeze, my friend.

Freeze.

My man.

Real quick,

did you have to watch the kids?

You know, sometimes when kids meet each other, they start to play rough.

How was that?

Well, they've hung out before, but they are rough.

The older one is the roughest, but she also likes to be a big sister, so I had to just kind of watch to make sure they didn't get too rough.

And those are your grandchildren.

Would you tell them?

Like, yo, yeah,

I checked them.

And it's all love.

So we had a good time.

Everything was smooth.

The hardest part was getting them to go home.

Like, everybody wanted to spend the night.

I wanted them to stay, but just to stay at school tomorrow.

Got it.

But it was worrying.

Three kids wear you out.

Got you.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, see, I ain't used to that life.

Yeah.

Nigga, one kid wear you out.

Facts.

Fucking.

What did you do, Barks?

Oh, I went upstate, saw the family, cooked out, had a great time, man.

Friends and family came through, big dinner, 15, 20 people.

Beautiful teachers.

Beautiful.

And Memorial Day, y'all do dinners, huh?

Yeah, well, Memorial Day is my sister, niece, nephew, sister, mom's birthday, all in the same week.

Holy shit.

So

gotcha.

It's a big deal.

Mel, you won an award.

Well, that was earlier in last week.

And so Memorial Day, I was sleeping because I'd just flown back on a red eye.

But the weekend, I was at a wedding.

It was nice.

Did you bring the Gracie with you?

I did not bring the Gracie to the award or to the wedding.

No.

So that was her date?

No.

Oh, wow.

And was the wedding nice?

The wedding was beautiful.

The wedding was beautiful.

It was my my friend Taylor and her now husband Josh.

Congratulations to them.

Everybody looked amazing.

It was lovely.

So yeah, that was what I did on.

Sorry, it was Sunday.

It was Sunday.

Yeah.

Good.

Okay.

It was good.

It was good.

And Monday?

Monday I was sleeping because I flew in on a red.

I landed at like five in the morning and there was always from California.

Yeah, that was like kind of like fuck you up.

And you was just in the crib, you just relaxed?

Absolutely nothing for me the entire weekend outside of the under armor camp I went to with my stepson and my girl.

Oh, how'd that go?

And how did that go, Joe?

I was in the crib.

It was cool, it was freezing out there, but

it was good.

You got any coach talking?

You got any more coach talking?

No, not that day.

No, not that day.

Not that day.

You ain't learned.

You ain't learned about the back pedal.

Keep your hips straight.

Oh, they was doing all that shit.

They was doing all that fancy shit.

They was doing that.

So, shout out.

That was cool.

I was supposed to go to the play, the tank play with

you guys, but canceled that.

Yeah, I've just been out, so I ain't been doing shit.

And now my brother,

my brothers are preparing for a prom.

Yes, sir.

Oh, yeah, that's right.

And

we're having a lot of trouble with the generational gaps.

And the last time I went to a prom and my dad went to a prom, we don't really know all the rules, and the kids keep changing shit now.

Oh, they want you to get a lot of money.

So, like, they win.

Well, first of all, how they getting dressed is different from how we got dressed.

Go to the regular spot.

We didn't go to regular spots, but they doing

kicks and tuxes.

They just making a

big to do.

It's a production price.

There's a lot more.

There's a lot more of a production today than that.

Proms are approaching wetting prices.

Yes.

Daily.

Yes.

Real talk.

Nah, it's expensive.

Yeah.

They're approaching wetting prices.

On TikTok, these little kids are showing these pages that are showing how elaborate some of these prom shits are.

They're coming in helicopters.

Niggas getting the chops.

So, anyway, so that's the thing.

My little brother calls me yesterday and says,

Yo, dog, you know the prom is next week.

Need that car.

Oh, shit.

He said it like that.

Which car?

She was pretty.

Pretty much.

He's talking about the Mayback.

We kind of had some of these talks already.

And I was like, all right, well, who's supposed to be driving?

And he was like,

Pop said he would drive.

Okay.

I said, so tell Pop to call me.

That's it.

Right.

Pop calls the next day,

says, hey,

Ethan wants me to drive him for the prom.

That only means a one-way, right?

No.

He was dead serious.

He would have made back up and Uber.

I said, no, Pop.

You have to pick them up, too.

And take them to wherever they are.

Where they're going after that for festivity?

He said, no, they're going home.

No, they're not.

I said, you still need to take them home.

They can't Uber from the prom.

So we're dealing with prom stuff right now.

That's how old I am.

Can your brother not drive?

He cannot drive my car.

He can't drive that.

And Joe, would you drive them?

Would that be something you're doing?

That's what my dad said.

My dad said, if it's a one-way trip, Joey, why you don't just drive them?

Why don't you hop steer?

Who's your driver?

Why the handle driver?

Yeah, Joe.

But they want...

But hold on, they want the experience.

They want the experience.

They want Joe to Pop to open the door.

It's an experience when it comes to that.

When you open the door, you stand there and take pictures.

So I understand what they want, but I don't understand why wouldn't they ask their brother?

I told Pop I would just get him a chauffeur, one of them luxury chauffeurs.

Yeah, if they're going to open the door for tonight.

Yeah.

Yeah, they do that.

Hell yeah.

That's the best.

I forgot about you.

Yeah, she can't use it.

So Anthony not going?

He's a whole nother story.

All right.

He had the wrong date for his girl's prom.

Oh, Lord.

Oh, shit.

And then she casually just said, yo, you know, the prom is tomorrow.

So he's running around right this second trying to prepare for a prom that's tonight.

Oh, my God.

And then his prom is next week with my brother.

So it's prom madness right now, is all I'm saying.

Shout out to everybody prepping to go to a prom after

prepping your kids for a prom.

Good luck to y'all.

Yeah,

that sounds like it.

Some of them is under pressure.

Nah, that shit different.

It's different.

Like when people start telling me about all the prices,

dudes, and this.

And I'm like, what?

Nigga, just to get to the prom, you spend four figures

that is crazy just to get no i'm talking about to get there oh okay you know what i'm saying i ain't telling shop top to

they got drop top rolls royces all types of wild crape the prom is how our friend groups back in the day all stopped talking to each other because we went and got the stretch limo that all of the parents were supposed to chip in and then somebody parents

everybody got crazy and then it all hell broke loose and now we can't talk to each other no more yeah yeah yeah until Sharon give me my money.

I'm on guard.

Hey, yo.

Seriously.

I drove to my shit.

Real quick, Mel brought the macaroni and cheese.

I did.

And she started to make on live, prep on live.

I watched a little bit.

I was intrigued.

I caught cap.

I sent that right to the group text.

You had?

Immediately.

When I saw Mel on Insta Live cooking mac and cheese, Looking like it was her first time ever touching any of that shit.

Looking like she was reading directions as she was going.

I sent that right back.

I was not reading directions.

You had the script right behind the phone.

I did it not.

Yes, you did.

No, I did not.

Sam, if you had a camera, you were on recipes.com.

You had that Patty LaBelle shit?

No, actually, I did not have Patty LaBelle.

No, I

was it a black person's recipe?

It's hers.

That's my only question.

It's my recipe.

They said you put

it in.

That has been, that was inspired by my auntie's.

They said you put sour chicken.

Auntie's, not my aunt my aunties on which side

she's saying auntie's she's saying auntie auntie's aunt now yes what did you ask me

i read in the comments that you they said you put sour cream in it yes

i think some aunts slipped in there

it's just a dollop exactly just was that the russian side because

The Bayesian side don't do that.

This is a dollar.

Caribbean, we don't do that?

Not Caribbean.

Yeah, but y'all can't make mac and cheese at all.

So y'all, Caribbeans don't talk.

Macaroni pie.

Yeah,

I don't eat macaroni pie or cheese.

That is true, but I'd rather that than putting sour cream and macaroni cheese.

Let's get to the explanation of the sour cream.

Yeah.

It's just a it's just a little a binding.

It's a thank you very much.

I was going to say it's like a little bit of a thickening agent.

A little bit of a thickening agent.

So I started with

the white man looking like that.

If the white man looking at the sky.

Yo, if that shit takes nasty eye out of town.

I started, listen, I boiled the pasta.

I started making the roux, you know, and shit was, it was lit.

I was very proud of myself.

And I did it on live to prove that I actually made it from scratch so you guys couldn't talk shit that I bought it.

I'm going to keep it wrong.

I know why you did it.

Did you use sour cream and milk?

I used heavy whipping cream.

And heavy cream.

I used heavy whipping cream.

And evaporated milk.

And evaporated milk, yes.

Yes.

I should have taken a picture.

Actually, I did.

I took a picture of all the ingredients that I used.

I like five different cheeses.

You know why I'm proud of you, though?

Tell me why.

I'm going to tell you the truth.

Okay, go ahead.

So once you wasn't here, you saw

the seat was a little hot.

Jesus Christ.

You had to go make some shit alive.

I'm still here, guys.

That's what it took.

I'm still here.

My girl went quick.

No,

actually, it's because I honor the bets up here.

Oh, shit, what?

Oh, shit.

Yeah, that's right.

Give me my $100 $100 right now.

Give me that my $100 right now.

Actually, no, because that was the bet.

Mark bet me that I would not make mac and cheese.

All of a sudden, you proactive once the hot seat left.

Who are you referring to?

I don't want to throw no names out there, but what I'm saying is that I like that you did that.

Okay.

I looked at it.

I'm like, yeah, male.

We're not going out without a fizzy.

We're not going out without a fight.

How they was hyper memorial?

Nigga said, hold up.

Nigga was like, this all.

Nigga's going to go.

She was great.

I'm still here, y'all.

Look, I, her numbers went up, too.

I'm like, oh, shit, 800, let's go.

Yeah, don't let these niggas just.

Come on.

I can't wait to try it.

Thank you.

When do we get to

be?

Are we going to be honest?

I don't eat macaroni and cheese monkey out, but are y'all going to be honest?

Yes, please be honest.

I think the most honest one would be honest.

I mean, I know that you are on a new lifestyle eating plan-ish, but please just.

There's no sugar in this.

Take a bite.

Just take a bite.

Now you know.

It's a thickening agent.

Have you ever made this before?

Yes.

So why?

That was how the whole conversation happened: is that nobody believed that I've ever made mac and cheese before.

Actually, people, y'all don't believe I cook, but nobody believed that I've made mac and cheese before.

I was like, I make great mac and cheese.

No, we see you cook for days.

Your cooking show should be with your relationship expert show.

Yeah, I told you.

Mark was on to something.

Okay.

Let's go, Mark.

All right, listen.

Hey, listen, I might turn.

Did you say ish astrophysicist?

Oh, shit.

No, you're talking about last episode.

I don't say nothing then.

It was kind of lit, so I might do.

But when Mel falls in love and does her housewife thing, do y'all think her dude is going to ever say something about her cooking there?

You know what he says?

I'm actually quite surprised how good this is.

That's what I always get.

That's

everything.

I'm actually quite surprised.

Man, I'm jealous.

You just look at the camera and talk.

You just talk to somebody at the camera.

Oh, my God.

Okay.

Yo, all right.

All right.

We see what we're doing.

Yeah.

We got a great show line there.

We do.

That's what we do.

We do.

We do.

All right.

Where do you want to go?

It's some.

Do we want to start with controversy?

I mean, all this court shit,

I feel like we kind of have to, I kind of want to get it out the way.

How y'all feel about it?

I'm doing.

I'm done.

I'm talking specifically about this Kevin Lyles thing.

Okay.

Okay.

What's going on with Kevin Lyles?

Another lawsuit.

Let me pull it up.

Kevin Lyles has been accused, as it seems to be the string in the business for the last five, six years of people getting accused of sexual misconduct.

This one is from Lady Luck.

And this one surprised me for a few reasons.

But

Kevin Lyles has responded.

If you go to his Instagram, you can see the full explanation.

He's how I learned about it.

That's an interesting way to think about it.

He posted this.

I didn't see it posted anywhere when he posted his response.

Yeah.

But I could be off.

It was places, but it didn't live nowhere big.

Because, again, it's the platform size thing, which is a lesson.

Sometimes we make things stories by responding when if you don't say anything, it might not be.

And I'm not saying he's right or wrong.

I'm just saying if he's.

Oh, if he responding, he's been around long enough.

Somebody told him, we're posting this this day.

Just like

that.

That's fair.

Well, before you read the um the response like cliff notes of what she's accusing of yeah accusing when where what kind of situation so so this is for for context this is an artist that he signed in 19 in 1999 damn it's lady luck it's lady luck to lady luck we all know

so um and this uh this uh lawsuit actually happened months ago that's the other thing I believe it was in the end of February that it came.

So it might be one of those things where we all heard about it and then it passed.

I remember it.

Yeah, and we didn't say anything about it.

And honestly, this is my first time hearing it.

I know.

I've never heard it.

Mine's too.

Yeah, don't try to put us in.

It was under the

corner.

No, no, not quiet.

I mean, like, I forgot.

I knew he got sued before.

I didn't know who sued him.

So I'm saying, I didn't know the details.

That's what I'm saying.

And I'm saying, I'm making the connection.

Oh, that was the shit from a few months ago.

I didn't know who it was.

I just knew that he was sued because when I first saw the lawsuit, it was under her government name.

So I didn't make the connection to even who it was.

But

the argument was, because it was, and it was remember, it was a Jane Doe at one point as well.

Anyway,

that he sexually assaulted her during her employment at Def Jam in the early 2000s.

This was the argument.

That was sexual assault and that happened over a period of time.

So that's what makes this interesting.

For the last year or so, I've heard Lady Luck make allegations about her time in the business and all the things that's happened to her, but she didn't explicitly say Kevin Lyles.

Then I also heard Kevin Lyles was accused of of sexual misconduct a few months ago, didn't connect that it was her.

So now the dots are connecting a little bit.

uh what kevin lyles has effectively said in his post which is very long i mean it's like a three or four slides on instagram small print it's like a full statement okay is that first of course it's not true he's saying he's saying that he was told you know that you can pay 30 million dollars or this lawsuit is going to move forward um he points out all the times where she has said that he was a friend to her a brother to her he points out her happy birthday post he points to all the support he gave her as an artist that she still communicates with the entire family that she has as recently as March 2025.

And not like distant family, like father, sister, like most family.

She says, she called my mother, mom, my father, pops.

She called my sister, her sister, and her lifelong friend.

So he's making it clear, like, there's a real relationship with not just me, my family here, too.

Right.

And then the last beat of it is that he also talked, he offers a kind of what is both empathy and a kind of defense.

He says, I understand what she's going through.

I know she's been through a lot in this industry.

I know she's had issues with substance abuse, abuse, mental health issues, etc.

So he lays it out in a way that sounds like he's being sympathetic, but also laying the groundwork for saying, hey, she's crazy, and I don't know why she would make this up.

And he's not saying gray area, we got our signals crossed.

He's saying this is a complete fabrication.

I'm not saying he's right.

I'm simply saying that's the case he's laid out.

And it's an interesting argument because all of, in theory, all of everything that he wrote could be true, and he still could have done what she accused him of doing.

And conversely, he could not have.

I don't know the story well.

I don't know their lies well enough to know anything personal inside but this is big and this is messy and this is a sign that this thing isn't going anywhere a lot of people thought that the era of people making lawsuits the era of people saying 10 years ago 20 years ago or 10 weeks ago something happened to me was going to pass it was gonna be a fade a fad uh but in the kind of post me too era which i'm actually happy about people are still being courageous about telling their stories and people are still coming forward when things have happened to them again i'm not saying this is true i'm saying

this this isn't going anywhere.

This is not a phase.

And anything that's happened in this business is probably going to come to light more and more over the next few years.

Is this the only case or allegations against Kevin Lyles?

Because you said that we heard this before.

Is she the person that popped it off against him?

To my knowledge, yes.

I can't say with certainty.

What I thought was a second case actually was her going from Jane Doe's status to a public.

But if it was back in February, then that means she still reached out to the family in March.

So that's what he's trying to...

That's what he's saying, yes.

Got it.

Okay.

And again, I can't say whether that's true or not.

I don't know.

But that's what he issued in his statement.

So I just want to be very clear.

I'm reading here

the other one that was filed by Jane Doe in

earlier this year.

That was a separate case.

It was a separate case.

That was a separate case.

Okay, good.

That's what I'm going to know.

I think we should at least read.

I think it's one of his earlier paragraphs that says everything that she's alleging.

All right, I got it right here.

Says here that she threatened to publish a book and file a public

if he didn't pay the $30 million.

She threatened to allege that almost 26 years ago, when signed as a recording artist to Def Jam, she was groomed.

She also threatened to allege that I exposed myself to her and pushed her head towards my genitalia in an attempt to force her to perform oral sex while she was allegedly sitting in the driver's seat of my car.

So, those are the allegations that he said are going to be alleged against him.

How do we feel about this, the

panel?

Well,

what is your thoughts on these allegations and the fact that Kevin Lyles actually is trying to get ahead of it?

Well, I think he should.

Okay.

I absolutely think that he should try his, you know,

he should try to get ahead of it because

the court of public opinion, people are going to form their opinions regardless of what you do.

And I think that Jay-Z kind of set an example about being proactive about,

you know, false allegations.

Not just false allegations, but like just being very vocal about your innocence in the situation.

Gotcha.

Okay.

And

like Marcus said in the past, you know, like my default is to want to believe victims.

Yes.

However,

$30 million is

a big number.

Like, am I using the word punitive like incorrectly here?

No, no, no.

I get what you're saying.

Okay, but I need to understand the correlation

because it just it just seems like it's it's a strange number to choose, but it almost seems like it's it's it's a number that has been influenced by a lot of what we're seeing right now

Yeah, it's yeah, it sounds like it's the fucking going rate right now, yeah, you know, and I listen I understand

Pain and suffering.

I understand, you know, emotional damage.

I understand all of that.

I have existed in this business for a very long time.

I've had things happen to me as well.

So I understand and I understand the desire to have kept it quiet and the shame and embarrassment and whatever else feelings are associated with this.

But

Mel, let me ask you a question.

Go ahead.

If you just, I know where you're going.

If you knew that she were telling the truth, what number would you feel comfortable with?

It's hard to say.

Honestly, it's hard to say.

It's hard to put a number on what you consider to be your pain and suffering and the length of pain and suffering that you have you know had to deal with over you know set amount of years decades or whatever the case is but when I'm reading what she's charging him with

it's excessive it is it's excessive it seems that and this is just the monetary amount yes the monetary amount it's excessive and I feel like it sets a really bad precedent there's already people who are going to look at situations like this there's people who look at Cassie like that was a money grab and that's all it was you know I'm saying so in situations like this, it starts to kind of

really muddies the waters in terms of

impact on victim versus what it is that they're trying to get in order to feel some level of wholeness.

You sound like you don't believe her.

I'm not, that's what I preface this by saying.

I err.

My default is to always believe victims.

However,

you take into account the maintenance of

ancillary relationships with this person's family.

Somebody can say about Cassie too.

But wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on.

Wait, I got a question.

Are you saying this?

Are you familiar with this?

No.

You're not familiar with him?

No, no.

You're not friends with him or anything?

No.

I just want to be clear.

Okay.

No, no, no.

It's just

passing.

You know what I'm saying?

Got it.

So you're just basing this off of what you read and what you deduced.

Yeah.

Okay.

I think that the 30 number is

we're shooting at a high enough number to to make you just want to get in the settlement.

So we can settle for five.

I don't care what we don't have any intention of getting 30 or anything close to 30.

We know we're not going to get that.

But if I like, it's something about that number 30 today, 30 million.

It just, you're right.

We got hurry to get here by 10.

If I settle for the number, the numbers cap.

I don't even think it's settlement cap.

If a settlement comes from it, great.

But the 30 is headline.

We want to move forward.

Right.

Right.

I haven't heard the story where they demand the 30 and it's paid in the next week.

The reaction 99% of times is going to be, baby, you don't get the fuck out of here.

I might have to flip my entire life upside down to just pay you 30.

Niggas ain't doing that.

I think they be wanting to move forward, which is why oftentimes we're not even getting to the mediator part.

We're moving forward if you stall.

Right, right.

This is an interesting case.

Because that's going to help the settlement.

I think after I move forward, now your tone is going to be,

how do I make this go away?

Yeah, yeah.

And he's jumped out.

Like, he launched a website,

LadyLucksOwnWords.com.

And it's basically

just highlighting, like, in his letter he puts, or in his statement, he says, numerous years, she's said this on podcasts about me, and just how positive, even to this day.

He put it all on his website.

That could backfire on him.

I don't think that helps.

He specifically pointed out that in 2016, 2022, and 2023, she denied any inappropriate sexual interactions with older men,

which he's saying is contradicted by what she's saying now.

I get what he's doing.

And if you're innocent, I understand why you'd have the impulse to find every shred of evidence to prove your innocence.

Guilty people do this too.

So that's the first thing.

The other thing is, if it becomes overkill and it looks like you're being too aggressive and you're attacking her too much, it could turn people off.

It could make people distrustful.

I don't know.

I think there's three pieces.

There's people who believe that he did it and are upset.

People who don't believe it and say throw it away.

There are also going to be people who are going to read what he's alleged to have done and say, okay.

Like they don't care or they don't have to say that.

Yeah, like that's not that big.

Like it's not a big enough deal to warrant a $30 million lawsuit.

I'm not saying I don't feel that way, but I'm saying a lot of people do.

And so just to be clear.

Because he tried to get some head in the car 30 years ago.

That's how a lot of people are going to be.

And just to be clear, that's basically what I was trying to get to, is the fact that some people are going to regard this as an and kind of situation.

Right.

You know, in the grand scheme of

in comparison,

in comparison to some of the other cases we have seen,

which are horrific and have been video documented.

But wasn't that contradictory?

Power dynamics.

I said I don't feel that way, but I'm saying that I think it might be a hard time to get a jury to believe, to care enough, especially given the culture we live in, to feel that it's worth that.

I'm not saying that.

But it contradicts what we've been saying up here when you've been saying that we should always believe victims.

I'm not saying you're not saying you don't feel that way, but saying going into that.

So now we're making, we're giving caveats to the situation.

No, there's no contradiction there.

I'm saying we should believe victims.

I'm saying that a lot of people don't believe victims.

And I'm saying in this case, I think that's going to play out.

A lot of people aren't going to believe her.

And now are you saying that because

the act is less atrocious?

Yeah, I'm saying because we normalize sexual harassment so much.

Is there a victim spectrum to y'all?

I was about to say, I don't understand

how we are grading trauma on a curve.

Yes, no.

Oh, shit.

No, no, no.

We're not.

Mel just said that the $30 million suit that she is filing is too much money.

So if this young lady felt as though, and again, I'm just totally objective, you can't necessarily say, yo, because such and such might have fucked her in the ass and made her do X, Y, Z, then that is worth more than what this particular piece of trauma is worth.

Who the fuck is the judge to do that?

The jury.

The judge and the jury.

No, I'm saying us.

As saying you even asking for trauma.

This is what I'm saying.

If you got hit by a car and lost and broke

your leg.

Someone else got hit by a car and lost their leg.

I can't speak to how you experienced the broken leg, but what I can say is as a juror or as a person watching the jury.

You judge that the loss of the leg to be worse than the broken leg.

It's a greater loss.

It is.

But I still think it's apples and oranges when you start coming coming down to emotional trauma and emotional stress.

You can't put my emotional stress and my emotional trauma or how I respond to something on a scale as easily as a broken leg versus a lost leg.

I agree.

I don't think you can do it as easily.

I'm just saying the jury ultimately has to do that, though.

I'm not disagreeing.

We're not even talking about the jury, though.

We're not talking about even getting to a jury.

Yeah, we're talking about how you could say that this person is charging too much money for their emotional distress.

All I'm saying is relative to what if Cassie's worth 30 million.

Says who?

Says who.

That's what we got.

I'm establishing it as an arbitrary standard based in the fact that that's what she asked for.

Yes.

And she was awarded allegedly something close to it.

Close to that.

So I'm saying if they gave

it, okay.

Even better.

An award.

All right.

Even better.

If Cassie settled for 20 and we say, all right, that's our baseline.

It doesn't have to be, but it is, then it would be hard for me to say if Cassie's experience is a baseline of 20.

Yo, an abuse baseline is nuts.

Yeah, that's crazy to me.

But that's how courts work.

That's the problem with the system.

No, I agree with you.

You can't say that Cassie's settlement number is what this other person's settlement number should be less because she took this.

You can't say that.

And I'm not saying should.

I'm making a practical assessment of how it actually is going to play out.

I want them all to get as much as they deserve, as much as they want.

I don't care.

I have no sympathy for the person.

spending the money who did the harm.

I'm just saying as a practical matter, when you come to somebody and say, I want 30 million, knowing that Cassie just got 20, or knowing that so-and-so got 50 or 10 or whatever, I'm just saying that to me,

there's a strategy in that.

And you do walk in basing it just like you do all negotiations based on what the market gives.

I think it is perverse that we base emotional trauma on the market, but in a capitalist system, that's what you do, unfortunately.

So how do we advance this, this talk a lot, this point of circular?

Yeah,

I think the only thing moving forward is just, for me, was just to say again, we're going to see a lot more of this.

Tons.

True, untrue, fake, false, 100% accurate.

We're going to see a lot more of it.

I don't know.

Do you think the industry is going to move differently

because of this culture, or are we just going to see a lot more payouts for the next 10, 20 years?

I think we're going to see a lot more payouts.

And that was what I was trying to say is that it seems like this 30 million is the baseline that is being created.

Whether or not we judge it to be correct or incorrect, too much, too little, or whatever the case is,

the fact of the matter is like a baseline seems to be created.

And it's just like there's,

like,

mathematics, what's the mathematics here for it?

You know what I'm saying?

I don't think there are none.

There are none.

I don't think there are none.

You go back into the circle though.

No, no, no, and I don't, and I don't want to.

I just wanted to, you know, make the point that that was what I was trying to say earlier in the conversation.

And then also about, you know,

the maintenance of the relationship with the family and the comparison to Cassie, I feel like that in itself is like, is apples and oranges.

Way off.

Yeah, it's totally, it's totally different because this was,

we Cassie is alleging in her testimony that she was groomed and that this was like an on, yeah, and that this was an ongoing Cassie was his girl.

I know, and this wasn't, this was an ongoing, you know, physical, mental, emotional, psychological captivity situation.

That is not this.

I hear that.

I hear that.

So let's think about the next part of this, though, which was my question about how do we move forward?

What does the culture look like moving forward?

How are our relationships different?

What's going to be different now?

I think

there's some inherent generational differences that are going to be just on display just because people, younger people, think different than older people.

Some of these people that have been accused of these heinous shit are from a different world where men in power do whatever the fuck they want.

And I think we'll see less of it just based on that alone.

And I do think also people are going to be scared of getting sued for 30 million dollars.

The scary part is

well, if you were wilding and if you have 30 million dollars,

huh?

and which is a small sector of men very small right but it's it's people that got 300 000 it's people that got a hundred thousand people that got half a million you get i'm saying thirty is a a different type of number right like smokey got getting two for is there a way that we would ever see those stories publicized where the number is that of a 250 and 300 000 win they may not be public but that still don't mean that that might start to be a trend like the trend trickles down so the girl that I get a king, you know what I'm saying?

And I'm seeing that a lot now.

When I speak of corporations and I talk about DEI, we talk about corporate behavior.

A lot of people are talking about the boss gets sued personally, the company's getting sued, as is Def Jam in this case, and they're getting sued for those $50,000, $100,000, $200,000.

It's happening a lot right now.

It's actually quite interesting.

More so than the Kevin Lyle situation.

Yeah, because once we see them get a bag, it's like, word?

Oh, that motherfucker tried to do that 50 times four years ago.

He was smacking me on my ass when I would come in his office every day.

So I think that it's basically starting to give more women the courage to come forward and really claim some shit that they might have been going through for the last 15, 20 years in corporate.

I'm not

against that.

What I do see, what I think is going to start happening, though, is from the males perspective, my nigga, you kind of

got to be careful.

You should be careful, period, where you put your dick.

But I'm saying, like, when you get 20-something years old or you single, you're a man in power, you're not necessarily that

displaying that level of discernment.

You know what I'm saying?

When you're a single man, like, back then, absolutely not.

There was absolutely, there was no fucking discernment.

There was no HR.

Today,

I understand, but we're talking about cases that are being presented from decades ago, and women are coming forward now.

And, you know,

I can speak from the standpoint of being, having been there.

There was no HR.

These were fucking treacherous shark infested fucking waters it was survival of the fucking fittest and i think that also what's happened is i feel like consent should have been like the word of like 2022 or 2021 or whatever the fact is whatever year that it started to be used so consistently because our our vocabulary has changed our understanding of thing of what consent is has changed it's nobody was saying that fucking word back then You know what I'm saying?

The understanding as a woman, being in this business in front of the camera, behind the camera, was that you were chum for the sharks.

And

either you found a way to survive.

So the fact of the matter is, is there is going to be certain circumstances in which chickens are coming home to fucking roost.

And your behavior was predatory then.

And you got to pay for it now.

It's consent and it's power and

culture to me all connected.

So for example,

having,

committing a sexual act where somebody doesn't want to do it, that's the part where we all kind of be like, all right, yeah, we know that's not cool.

But 30 years ago, asking your artist for a blowjob, unfortunately, wasn't considered out of bounds.

It was out of bounds to force them to give you a blowjob, but to ask them for one, and they had a right to say yes or no.

And a lot of, in the culture of the music business, and really corporate America in general, but especially in the music business, was you could do that.

So, part of what it is is applying today's rules to 30 years ago.

And I'm not justifying the behavior.

I'm just saying we have to have an honest conversation about the culture of institutions and organizations to understand how we got here.

Otherwise, it sounds like this random dude is just walking around doing wild shit with it.

Quote unquote, power dynamics didn't exist necessarily back then as a

understanding of what they were.

As a term.

Yeah.

Pretty.

Your secretary was pretty.

You shot.

She accepted.

It was like, yo, this is consensual.

We were dating, and I was here from the rip.

They just hired the secretary because

that was part of the.

I think that's really, really scary, murky waters to be treading.

Y'all having a great talk, so I ain't about to come in and say some bullshit or take it first.

I want to hear it.

So learn behavior.

Say more.

You think?

I know.

I know.

He was, I mean, you were there.

It's not a coincidence that every black mogul, for the most part, in the music business is dealing with this.

Take it off music.

Because this happens to be a music.

I'm I'm in entertainment.

Gotcha, gotcha.

I'm not talking about the rest of the world.

I'm in entertainment.

That's what I'm talking about.

This is not only happening with black moguls in the entertainment business, and each one of them came up under somebody.

I'm not pointing fingers.

I'm not even really having to talk.

But it is a learnt behavior.

All of them.

All of them.

From every one of them.

You're just not going to hear about where they learned it from.

Yeah, I don't know.

And I'm not trying to.

Not necessarily.

Please, please, I don't want to sound like I'm excusing it either.

Yeah, I think that...

There's something else that could be a play there, too, is

which we see even today with a nigga who just wasn't him in high school or when he was coming up.

And now you get to that level, now it's entitlement kick in.

Like now it's like, nigga, y'all owe me for what I couldn't get back then.

Now I'm going to make y'all pay damn near.

Now it's

two things combined.

It's a lot of niggas that behave like that, yo.

Yeah, it's a lot of different things.

I think, because again, you just speaking from a music perspective, I think in corporate America, I think in Wall Street, I think in politics, like I got some friends in politics, it's going on in the political arena as well.

It's just those

public speakers.

They're just not

public figures.

So we don't know that it's going on when this senator or this congressman or this CEO.

That shit is, it's everywhere.

I think that men of power have a certain level of entitlement.

And when they see beautiful women, they feel like they can exercise that power in a manner that they see fit I don't think that it's foreign or it's just exclusive to the music business but that's why I think we have to look at the systems it's just like back in the 90s when we were looking for the gay rapper it was like as if there was just one as opposed to understanding that the culture was built in a way where there's lots of queer folk there as artists as set designers as everything any job there was a gay person there but we didn't want to accept that as a culture if we keep looking for the predator producer or the predator ceo we lose sight of the fact that it's a predatory industry true vps directors and all that it's just a predatory business.

And there are people always looking to get a leg up either because they couldn't get it in high school or because they could and they want more or because they saw their mentor do it.

All the factors are part of it, but we got to have an honest.

If you can recognize it's a predatory business, then why can't you recognize the people that put in the predatory business practices?

I think it goes back to

the business.

I'm with you.

I'm saying go past puffing them.

Go past all of them.

Let's get to the heart of it.

That's the culture part of it.

Yeah, and part of the culture is also everybody else's.

part of the culture is the hero worship the hero worship also creates is a massive symptom to the fucking problem i just watched the brett favre untold i don't know if y'all saw that no that was wild what was wild about it well

so we all know

okay um what was wild about it was there was this um sideline reporter named jen uh steeger

and Brett Favre decided that he liked her and he started to solicit her attention anonymously at first.

And then he got her phone number through the head office.

They gave it to him.

This is when he was with the Jets.

And he started to contact her.

She made it clear.

She had absolutely no interest in him whatsoever, the great Brett Favre.

And everybody would be like, oh, well, of course, no, she had no interest.

And she was terrified that she now had his attention in a way that she know she didn't want it because she knew that this was going to end badly for her and it did her career is over he sent her a dick pic and whatever else and then the story comes out a little bit later um about his you know about his unwanted advances um this uh i forget what the what the magazine is that um she worked with at the time but she confided in the editor dead spin Deadspin.

She confided in the editor who was her friend.

She was sharing tea.

She was sharing tea, expected that this was an off-the-record fucking convers.

It was an off-the-record conversation between two um you know where you work it's dead spin dead spin is the wild wild west of all of that sports commentary shit dead spin posts the the superstar athletes sending dick pics they don't focus on the stats i understand that but when you are having you're talking to the editor or the owner i get i get it but i get it

i listen i get it but if you are having an off-the-record fucking with your friend conversation conversation with your friend off the record, it's just a ploy.

She might have thought they were friends.

Even if you did, that's very naive on her part.

That's not true, bro.

Bro, if I know what this company does, let's just take it.

I know what the company do.

I know what they're doing.

She writes for Deadspin.

This is her colleague.

If I'm having a conversation with you, Ice, I am going to have this expectation.

It's sitting over there that you're not going to get on Twitter and start writing, oh, Mel said this, Mel said that.

I have that expectation of you.

If our business was to talk about whatever it is that you're talking about, right?

That's what our business, that's what our brand is based on.

That's what we do.

And you come in here and say something,

didn't expect, well, damn, how did that get out?

You're asking the National Inquirer not to post something.

Yeah, okay, okay, okay.

Okay, so this is the...

Yes, you have a right to do that.

That is the side that you go in.

It's still the National Inquirer.

Not saying I would do it, but I'm just saying.

But go ahead.

The expectation is coming up.

I would have expected my friend to have a little bit more integrity.

You know what I'm saying?

So, anyways, he basically says, oh, well, fuck that.

I'm printing it.

And so, that was how the world started or found out about these inappropriate text messages that Brett Favre was sending to this girl and the fact that she.

And he paid her.

Who?

The Desmond.

They paid the girl for the story.

No, I didn't see that.

Yes, it was in the dock.

It was in there.

She sold the story.

They paid.

After the podcast.

I want after the fact.

That's different, though.

She was not.

She's trying to make me hold.

She was not soliciting any attention for this story She did not sell the story She didn't want anybody to know because she knew that this was going to be harmful to career suicide and it was now what how do we regard Brett Favre as still the fucking gunslinging fucking hero that everybody perceives him to be regardless

in fucking Green Bay hasn't been taken down he can walk in the stadium and get a fucking standing ovation I'm still I'm talking about hero worship here The statue got to get taken down because he sent a dick pic?

No, I'm talking about the scandal in fucking Mississippi stealing from the fucking poor.

That's what I'm saying.

That welfare,

that shit, that shit was disgusting.

He has plausible deniability in that, too.

He has told me that from what they showed.

Again, there's text messages.

I still think he's a piece of shit.

Again, there's text messages.

You interpret those text messages as different.

He said, hey, is there any way I can get in trouble for this?

Which was interpreted as he was well aware that crimes were going on.

There's another way to interpret that.

Hey, is there any way I can get in trouble for doing this, getting this money?

It don't have to go that way, is all I'm saying.

Depends on how you see it.

Okay.

Well, I choose to see it the way that a lot of people see it, that

he understood where this money was coming from.

And

very complicit.

Got it.

I got him as a piece of shit, too, but he wasn't doing nothing different than most of these colleges are and have been doing for a long time.

Which is the point I'm making across the state.

Yeah, it's like, and we see it with every

congressman I know who've been, who go to,

I can name at least three congressmen I know who I, two of whom I work with directly, who went to jail for corruption and taking bribes.

Yeah, they did it.

They did the same thing that every other member of Congress does.

They either got caught or were less slick or they got watched more.

Or they crossed somebody that was like, oh, word.

Exactly.

Yeah.

Exactly.

You know, so I'm just saying, like, all these institutions are corrupt.

And at some point, we got to get past it.

But that's a social question.

That's what I keep saying.

The desire to be like these unaccountable white men who are never going to be held accountable the way we are is something we got to work through to

agree.

Right, because we'll sit there.

Can I say Clive Davis?

I don't know.

But if not, beep it out.

My point is, there's a lot of people who look at the behavior in the music industry and say, well, well, he.

Why did he get away with it and I can't get away with it?

How is he there?

I've been asking Clive questions for years.

So, I mean, I think it's just a good old boys club.

I think that society in itself, again, outside of the music business, outside of finance, my nigga, look at the presidency and what they saying.

All of the shit, it tracks.

Like they got him documented saying, yo, if Hillary Clinton did XYZ with Qatar, it's some bullshit.

He just took a $400 million plane.

They set the rules and they play by the rules that they want.

So the money, power, respect is the mantra.

Let me ask y'all a few things because we do have to close this match.

We have to get to an ad.

What do y'all think ends up happening to Kevin Lowes?

Nothing.

I think he wins this.

He painted a picture of somebody.

He laid that out, not to mention her drug history, her criminal history, her felony, her drug distribution, heroin.

I mean, it's going to be hard to convince people that this is not a money graphic.

Not just that, unfortunately.

And I fuck with Luck, Jersey.

Yeah, she's not big enough.

She's not big enough.

They don't care about the victim enough.

And that's really what happens in a lot of these cases.

People go looking for perfect victims, and there very rarely is one.

Not even necessarily perfect.

Her cachet ain't big enough.

Do we give a fuck enough?

She's not a sympathetic enough figure as well.

It's true.

And again, I'm not saying she's lying.

i'm just saying i don't think she wins this i don't think so agreed i agree with that

god damn

listen what you feel we're cynical at this point what's we're cynical no cynical cynical oh oh am i feeling cynical no no no was that the goddamn oh yeah i mean a little bit i mean just how it sounds

yeah i mean like it's hard not to be cynical at this point you know social media and just like the barrage of information that we get you know as it relates to things like this after a while it desensitizes you so we're gonna flip-flop on when

all right

it's not it's not yeah not flip-flopping flip-flopping on when our cynicism kicks in we are i'm too sick to talk about it me too we are me too

you too

i know i'm confused i don't see i i think i i think i it feels to me like y'all are equating a prediction that this isn't going to work out well with a kind of endorsement that it's not going to work out well.

No, I didn't have a problem with where y'all left that.

Okay.

When Mel took it further, hearing that piece.

Oh, okay.

You said y'all got cookie.

Okay.

Got you.

Got you.

With the cynicism?

Yeah.

It's like selective cynicism.

Sure.

Maybe.

Maybe a little bit.

Not for me.

I honestly, I rarely believe things are going to work out well.

I support victims and I just, I still don't believe they're going to work.

You don't think she's going to get paid?

A settlement?

I think she will.

I think she'll get something.

I think she'll get a very small amount.

But that is where my cynicism comes from.

I don't think so now.

I don't think so.

I don't think so now.

I don't think he's looking to even try to follow the Jay-Z trend and be like, no, I'm going to fight it all the way.

Number one,

you broke.

And again, no disrespect to Luck, I'll fuck with her.

Like big jersey, but you broke.

You can't remotely get

the

attorney

power team that I could muster up.

I think it's going to set, we got to stop this.

Let's say he's innocent.

If he's innocent.

if if he's innocent i think it behooves him to fight it all the way agree you get what i'm saying now if he's not innocent

that's another story but if he is innocent lawyer fees and shit though i at some point you got to be practical hove got hove was like i will burn money just to make the point kevin all of us can't afford to do that kevin lowes can afford way higher attorneys than lady love that's fair keep in mind also that death jam is being sued too though so so they may actually have an investment in saying i don't want to be smeared i don't want it to to be said that we built this.

I'm just saying there's a few angles to be played here.

It wouldn't shock me.

If they came to right now and said, we got $250,000 for you, she might have to just take that.

And it wouldn't shock.

That's what I mean by a small amount.

It wouldn't shock me if she just took it.

And that's my prediction.

I think it's going to happen.

$100,000.

Take $250,000 and shut it.

That's what I think is going to happen.

You will spend $250,000 in lawyer fees easily.

Easy.

Half a million dollars to shut your ass up and go away.

It's possible.

That's what I think.

It's possible to happen.

No, it's possible.

Yeah, it's time for some TMP.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

TMPs.

Just hit them with some TM thoughts and prayers.

Teas and thoughts and prayers.

Thoughts and prayers for all parties involved.

We'll keep you updated as we are updated.

Sure.

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Real quick before we move on in in sports, does anybody have the Wolves winning another game?

I think they could win another one.

I think they win another game.

I don't.

Nah, yo.

It's belt to ass.

I think they defeated mentally.

Yeah.

I think they defeated mentally.

And before game four of the Knicks series, everybody here counts the Knicks out?

No, I do.

I got the Knicks winning this one.

I got paces in five.

It's hard to count the Knicks out.

They play hard.

I hope they lose, but they play hard.

You're not trying to.

Wait, do you really believe the Knicks are going to win this series?

Oh, yeah.

$1,000.

I'll take it.

Done.

I'll take it.

Wait, just to be clear, I'm betting the Pacers will win the series.

You bet the Knicks will win the series.

You think I got a lot of reward bets and shit?

If the Pacers win this series, you're going to send me $1,000.

If the Knicks win, I'm going to send you $1,000.

All right, I want to remix that.

Exactly.

That's why I asked.

Only because I'm taking it with us down 2-1.

So I think I should be incentivized differently.

No, but 2-1, if it was 2-3, oh, yeah.

It's 2-1 before game four.

Game four on the road.

Yeah, I feel like I should be incentivized different.

I'm down to bet.

I got 25 out with us.

Okay.

I got bets out on this series.

Okay.

But I'm down.

I'm down.

How would you like?

What's the incentive?

Let's go to 500 more.

500 more?

Yeah.

Sure, done.

Got it.

I'll take it.

Oh, what does that mean?

$1,500 to a stack.

$1,500 to a stack.

He went out.

I went out.

I was like, I'm going to get the same, my bro.

Pardon me.

You drunk that.

What water you bring in today?

Same one I'm bringing every day.

Avion again, you back?

You back to Avion?

Yeah, you new money niggas don't know what Avion is, y'all.

How long you got to have money before people can stop calling you new money?

When you stop acting like new money.

Oh, shit.

When it fits on you, when it's moved.

Oh, no, that's not true.

You had money for fucking 40 years and act like a new nigga.

Yeah, then what?

You won't be money.

You still call new money?

You won't know it's new money.

You won't even know.

You'll be accustomed to his movements.

Niggas that got money, they don't know they got money.

Yeah, you're right.

What's one indication that you are new money?

Arguing about water.

Yeah.

Douche.

Real quick, though, before we go on, I do want to take my time out and shout out to Kais and that and the guys over there at Stream University.

I think it was great.

It was amazing.

First of all, a round of applause for you.

You enroll?

No.

I didn't roll.

He's on it.

But

no, no, no.

There was mixing schedules.

Remember, I kept telling you guys that there was a surprise that I was working on.

I'll get into that later because it's not about me.

But what it is is that to watch a young man come from New York York and to make something out of it, to take ideas and put it on a larger scale and to execute it, especially to put the young ones on, that's amazing to me.

I have nothing but admiration and respect for Kai, the whole team over there.

Shout out to Tyler.

Shout out to everybody.

I mean, he's changing lives, man.

Bringing people that was on there with...

100 people watching them, bringing people with 1,000, just bringing them together.

And I like the way he handled certain situations in there, right?

When a young lady was bullied or felt like she was bullied or got made fun of he went over there and sat with her and did a stream like he addressed every situation head-on and I respect God I tip my hat to Kai in there man I'll see you guys soon but I tip my hat to them man but let me just say

I'm about to say let me just say flip you deserve to be there and I know y'all working out the details but you are an architect of this shit

And a lot of people, I'm not talking about Kai right now, I'm just saying in general, who do the work they do on YouTube and on live streaming in general, have followed your model and they don't always give you the credit.

So I just want you to know that you you deserve to be there, too.

I appreciate that.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Yeah, I get to flip niggas every day in my DMs.

Yo, send us the flip.

It was some niggas singing in Philly.

Yeah.

Right.

He devoted.

You said it right?

I mean, but you know, we get calls, man.

It's two people up here to get the calls when it's time.

We get the calls.

Schedule.

Two people up here to get the calls.

Yeah, they do.

Schedule was a conflict, and I wanted to shit on y'all.

I wanted to shit on y'all.

I had a whole plan, but because I remember I'm going to Indianapolis and I was going to Ohio.

It was a whole thing that I was doing.

But it's just, I thought it was, it's crazy.

But salute to Kai, salute to everybody up there.

Salute to Streamers University, man.

That made me feel good seeing that.

That's fine.

You should do the streamer portables.

The what?

That's a good idea.

You should do your own shit.

Wait, what?

You should do that.

That's the streamer.

Community college streamer.

Oh,

streamer.

Oh, just halo, baby.

Hey, Freeze.

No, no.

You got that.

I like that.

I think you would smoke that, though.

Yeah, I know.

I know.

I got you.

For the less enthused streamers,

for the ones on the dark side of the way, right, Freeze?

The chicken nuggets streamers, huh?

I didn't say that.

I didn't say you said that.

I didn't say I didn't.

I'm not a liar.

I said, though.

Did you give to the colleges, nigga?

Did you give to the high schools?

I just did not say nothing about the chicken nuggets.

I had pizza.

You're dying to cook some nuggets with Cookie Makaya.

Y'all can buy it.

You'll be proud, though.

You'll be proud here with Yo Joe.

You know, Yo, Joe, listen, one thing about you and I, man, you know, I ain't too far from something that's moving like that.

You know, I'm not too far from it, nigga.

I know you got a whole nigga.

Not 50 degrees.

That shit like too much.

He got a whole deck of cars up his sleeve.

Not too far away, but like, it's just, it feels good when people acknowledge it.

I keep you around.

But you know what it is?

Thank you.

I appreciate that.

But it feels good when people acknowledge you.

A lot of people try to make, in closing, they try to make comparisons to make me feel away.

But the people that's running.

There's no comparison.

No, of course, salute to them.

They do when they think.

But when I come around, they acknowledge me.

When I come around,

they invite me in.

But they know who I am.

You can crack the jokes, too.

No comparison.

I'm about.

Now, when you see.

Yo, you was the inspiration probably for some of you.

They invite me.

They invite me in.

Yo, flip, come on.

Nigga, it was a whole thing set up, nigga.

I said the days fucking.

Nigga, I support.

I just laughed

about it.

I'm supporting you, nigga.

I said, good job.

He said, chicken, I'm going to go to the poor.

I know you told the little shit in the corner.

No.

No.

With the back rocket.

With the two teachers in the shit, the shit behind

the trailers and the back.

Trailers in the back corner.

How many teachers to one student, nigga?

Five?

Five shit.

Fuck out of here.

Speaking of some streamer shit, did y'all see Druski's skit?

The cool white boy?

Yes,

I thought it was hilarious.

There's a lot of people in the uproar.

Yeah, they are now.

Fawks.

That's enough.

I will not speak for them.

What's to be uproar about about that?

It was hilarious.

To me, it was funny, too.

Free, what's the...

There was uproar because it's

white face.

Yeah, because it's white face?

Because the cool white guy in the hood, right?

The white boy that's good in the hood.

Like, I did see, not saying that it was upset over it, but I did see Theo Vaughn post.

Oh, great, cool.

Let me go get my paint.

That's funny.

That's hilarious to me.

That's funny.

But you get what he's in.

The people that are actually mad about it.

The people that are actually mad about it, I just guess don't understand why blackface is bad.

No, they don't.

They think it's just because.

Oh, we can't do it.

Why could you do it?

That's funny.

That's when I was starting to forget why I didn't like Theo Vaughn.

I almost was forgetting why I didn't fuck with him.

See, I just rely on

if I don't fuck with you, that's my memory of it.

I don't need to remember why.

That's why.

All right, thank you for that, Freeze.

Theo fucking Vaughn.

Yeah.

See, I

freeze think that's funny.

Parks did too.

More than just me.

Parks can think it's funny, is the thing.

I can't, though.

I'm not here for it today.

Got it.

Hey, I'm sick.

Y'all go ahead.

Hey, TNP.

I like that.

So him saying

TNP.

You think it's the same?

Freeze, you think it's the same?

I just like comedy.

No, we ask you a question.

Do I think him saying it, let me go get it?

Let me get my paint.

Yes, it's the same as.

I don't even think he even intending to do it.

I just think the statement was funny.

I'm making fun of that.

Can you answer the question we're asking?

Do I think if he were to put on blackface, it's the same as you know.

It's not black face and white face.

Black face and white face are not the same.

Nowhere near the same.

Okay.

Just checking.

At all.

I think God.

And that's the thing that pisses me off when white people act like it is.

That's all.

It's nothing nowhere near the same.

There's no historical implication behind white face.

No.

People like to ignore context when it's convenient.

Yeah.

And it's like black power and white power aren't the same thing.

When I say black power, I'm trying to get us free.

When you say white power, you're trying to get me lynched.

You're trying to say,

keep us.

Yeah.

And it's the voice.

And it's the voice.

You're trying to tame me.

Right.

White power.

It's the voice.

Yeah.

It's the voice and the fist that goes.

The voice and the fist that the look that come with it it's the flag that's behind it i honestly thought that was one of drusky's better skits it was hilarious he's hilarious that is funny like though when he goes back to the dinner table that was that was preston yeah stop talking like that

preston when he went back home he nailed that he did

i think he even posted something where he was like thanking everybody because it was like his fastest skit to reach a hundred thousand comments or something it was like he hit a milestone with that i'm a good friend man i'm such a huge fan.

I'm a huge fan of Druskis.

I love these.

Ish, why are you looking at me, boy?

Ish asked me off camera why I didn't think about the Drewski skit, why I didn't think about doing that.

Like, it'sh, why you don't believe in supporting black men and brothers supporting each other, man?

Why I gotta think of that?

That's how flips.

You said, why don't you?

It's way too much nuance for that.

No, you, but you asked me that off-camera.

I didn't hear you, Mark.

Say it again while I'm paying for it.

I said, It's not your bag.

Like, you do a different style of comedy.

That's all I said.

No,

he said it was too nuanced for you.

No, that's not what he said.

It isn't.

Was that what you said?

Not exactly, no.

What'd you say?

I don't remember exactly what I said.

Okay, all right.

Thank you, Mev, holding me down.

That's definitely not exactly what I said.

Hey, yo, listen.

Listen, y'all different styles.

Exactly.

And I support Drewski.

And I can adapt to anything, though.

I don't doubt that.

Watch me on Tosh Point then when you say that.

I don't doubt that.

I think you could be George Carlin.

I think you could be George Carlin if you wanted to be.

I don't know who that is, and I think that's a diss.

No, it's not.

No, actually, it's not a diss.

Okay.

I give up.

All right, thank you.

So,

another big thing: big marriage, big marriage, big marriage, and announcement.

Love is in the air.

Yes, something's in the air.

Travis Hunter.

Travis Hunter married his

high school sweetheart.

High school sweetheart.

Yeah.

At least college sweetheart.

I mean, when you're like 20, it just feels the same.

I didn't even call it that much.

Travis Hunter is the second pick from this recent NFL draft.

He went to the Jaguars on Jacksonville.

He went to Colorado.

Explain it to my parents.

He's a star.

He's a star player on both offense and defense, which is extraordinarily rare.

Who came under fire because after a lot of his big moments, his girlfriend seemingly made it about her.

At least that was the internet's interpretation of her behavior.

So the fact that they're married now is a conversation, I guess.

How do you feel about that, Joe?

Not just that they're married.

That's not married with no prenup.

And they posted no prenup on the picture.

Before the pre-nup part, though, I'm just saying, because, like, you know, when we first talked about this four months ago, five months ago, you said CL should be around in a year.

He married her, which was my prediction, that she was there for the long haul.

That doesn't negate mine.

It doesn't.

I'm not saying you're wrong.

We don't know she.

The haul of what, though?

The long haul of

justice?

Bank truck.

Right?

You all are brakes.

No, I'm just saying, saying, you know, I'm not saying you're wrong.

I'm saying, does this change your estimate or your prediction at all?

No.

No, you still

five, six months, it's going to be over?

I mean, I'm not, listen,

I love love, so don't make, I don't want to put death dates on people's relationship.

Yeah, I don't want to be.

You wish the best.

I mean, no, I don't.

I don't necessarily wish the best.

I don't know them.

I don't give a fuck about them.

But,

but.

God damn.

I love love.

Fuck the other fucking good niggas.

I don't know them like that.

But look.

look,

how do we feel about the no prenup thing?

How do we know about the no prenup thing?

They told it.

Is it official?

Because I know it was like a rumor.

It was alleged.

I don't know if they said, like, we didn't sign a prenup.

That's a weird thing to announce, right?

Yeah, it's super.

Not in the clout Chase world, it's not.

Yeah, I was about to say.

And in the world we live in, where everybody, that's going to be the question.

I wonder if they don't know.

Let me put that out there.

They're going to go run crazy shit.

That's the world we live in.

Yeah, it's possible that they did that

to try to deflect away from all the negative attention she had received earlier last year.

She got that nigga wrapped around her finger.

Could they have just posted that as a joke?

Yes.

Okay.

That's possible, too.

For the same reasons they just said, for attention.

Oh, attention.

I mean, conversations still don't change.

They don't change.

I mean, I'm okay with no pre-nup.

And

I don't think it's an issue.

But you're 40-something years old.

Do you think that your 20-something-year-old self would have said the same thing?

I mean, to be honest, I think I I have more of an argument now for signing a pre-nup.

It goes farther than that.

It goes farther than that.

Okay, go ahead.

Good.

Your 20-something-year-old self that just walked into a potential financial windfall.

But that's exactly what I mean.

You know, you weren't 20-something-you know-still struggling.

I know.

I'm pre-nupping for it.

But your 20-year-old, he had a prenup with a coat, nigga.

He had a coat now.

What we splitting.

Your 20-year-old mentality, your 20-something-year-old mentality

with with his same circumstances.

Imagine a prenup person.

I mean, I'll say this.

I think there's nothing wrong with signing a prenup.

And I think paperwork and contracts, as uncomfortable as they are, prevent problems later.

And I say that in business too, right?

Signing contracts, no matter how uncomfortable they are, prevents fallout later.

So I have no problem with people who sign prenup.

I don't think it's wrong to do.

I personally...

had no desire to do it.

Is it just prenup or would you do that in like a business deal too, with no paperwork?

No, in a business deal, I would absolutely tell her.

I believe in paperwork in general.

I mean, there's times where I haven't done it, it's always come back to bite me.

Every time I haven't signed a paperwork, it's come back to bite me.

So I'm curious if you feel, because marriage is basically a business

arrangement.

So why would you be so cool with no prenup for marriage?

It's,

I can't say that I would be cool with a prenup under any marital circumstance, but in my particular circumstance, I felt good with it.

I felt comfortable with it.

But again,

I don't think I'm right and other people are wrong.

Again, everybody should have a lot of things.

That's a case-by-case basis.

Yeah, it's a case-by-case basis.

I felt comfortable with

a couple of things.

To make it real short, my wife and I.

Can you push that mic closer to you?

What'd you say?

Can you push that mic closer?

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Sorry.

My wife and I have been together on and off for a long stretch of time.

Okay.

And I felt like a lot of the moves that I made were based on her wisdom and her advice.

I felt like a lot of the success I had was based on things that she told me.

So I felt like there was a way that I felt like she was entitled to some of the stuff that I had.

So, and I knew that whatever we had after we got together, she deserved.

So for me, in my case, a prenup.

She was already contributed to you.

Yeah, I felt like she earned it.

So for my case, it didn't make sense to me.

Gotcha.

But again, everybody's situation is different.

If I were Elon Musk marrying somebody tomorrow, I'm not going to say I'd feel the same way because I wouldn't.

Got it.

You know what I mean?

I don't think that anybody who marries Elon Musk deserves half.

Again, you know how I feel about billionaires, but just

as a matter of ethics and logic, I don't think anybody deserves half of it just by virtue of getting married.

I want that money to go to poor people, not the fucking, the woman he married to get half of it.

Okay, let me ask you a question.

Well, she was poor.

Mark, let me ask you a question.

God forbid,

you and your wife don't work out, you get divorced,

and later on you go to get remarried, would you prenup that?

Because now you already got all this that that person didn't help you get any of it.

That's one of them counterfactual hypotheticals.

If me and my wife don't work out, you ain't never seeing me get married yet

you're gonna see me in the worst of

the worst of places got it put like this you're gonna see me and imani out alive

we're gonna be taking selfies and shit

we're gonna be in the wildest of places

um yeah so that's a that that's a non-factor

gotcha that's an interesting choice that he made though and i'm surprised that His family, if it's true, because they could be trolling.

I'm surprised his family allowed that to happen.

They've grown.

I know.

They can't disallow it.

They can't, but I'm sure that they could, you know, levy a lot of pressure.

Like,

everybody's family is different.

And not just that.

We don't know that they have it.

We don't know that they're not feeling none of this.

You know, there's instances where they go

two go off and get married under whatever circumstances, and the family don't like that shit.

Or people will be rebelling on people.

I know his mom said something.

Yeah, I mean, his mom is heavily involved in his career.

She knows.

Is that you know that to be true?

I don't know.

Yeah.

Oh, his mother is.

No, he knows every dick, nigga.

He's the doctor.

She's involved, and she's.

He opened to marry them.

Nigga.

Don't think I wouldn't.

Very small fee.

From that video, from that video that's circulating of him dancing at what looks like a reception.

I don't know if it's his reception.

It looked like he probably ain't never had no black pussy.

Safe to us.

I'm just going to put it out there.

Safe toss on.

Say it.

Where are you from?

I have no idea.

I don't know nothing about Travis on there outside of what Deion Sanders told me.

But I know when it looked like a nigga ain't never had no black pussy.

That's the setup to lose everything.

And that's what Jaden Daniels' moms is sitting there saying will not be happening to her son.

Yeah,

she just goes overboard.

To who?

Us.

Us.

The streets.

She looking at it as, if I don't go overboard, we get that.

Hey Mike Sunk.

Yeah, yeah.

So I'm just curious.

Oh, first, let me ask you, Mel, because you're in an interesting situation.

You're in an interesting position as the only, no, the only woman on the set, right?

How do you feel about the, how do you feel about the prenup?

Yo.

How do you feel about the prenup?

Like,

would you have entered any potential marriage that you considered?

Would you have done it with a pre-nup, without a pre-nup?

I would want a pre-nup, yes.

But that's just at this stage of my life.

You would want one.

Yes.

On whose behalf?

On both of our behalfs.

Why?

You don't take any Gracie award.

Nigga, I got.

I got this magic.

Watch your fucking mouth.

Okay.

Watch your mouth, nigga.

Watch your mouth, nigga.

Watch your mouth.

Yeah.

Cut Daisy in half.

Hey, yo, nah, I ain't gonna let y'all do that, dog.

I ain't gonna let y'all do that.

I got you, man.

What the fuck?

Hey, hold on.

What's wrong with y'all niggas?

Nigga, little man like that.

We got in that nigga.

She got the bookshelf, nigga.

Watch your fucking mouth.

She got the Mackerel.

The catcher in the ride.

Who gets this TV?

She got asses, nigga.

27-inch.

He grew up in West Palm.

West Palm Beach?

West Palm.

West Palm Beach Smart.

Oh, yeah.

All right.

All right, easy.

That was one of Mark's better dreams.

What's that?

Yeah.

Joe's assessment is probably very correct.

So, all white girls.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like, who gets the kingman?

Hey, they're collectors' fucking items, okay?

They are collectors' items, right?

Smooth, smooth baggage.

Collector's item.

Collector's item.

Anyhow, yes, I would want to sign a queen.

I'm not letting them play with me.

Talk to me like you talk to fucking Theo, nigga.

Watch your fucking tone.

Don't come over here.

Talk to me like you talked to Malcolm Jamal.

We saw that.

Yeah, I've seen it.

We all saw it.

And we can get to this later.

You guys can tell me your assessment of how we interacted with one another.

However, at this stage of my life,

I would want to preen up.

Uh-huh.

I.

Assets.

No, no, no.

Listen.

For him, I love the fact, if this is in fact true, that he is that in love with his girl.

I love that.

I love that for him.

I don't think to preen up missing.

I think that's a bad reason.

How much you love her?

Yes, I do.

Yes, I do.

I absolutely know.

I'm trying to think like a very, very young person and how idealize, how much we idealize love.

You know what I'm saying?

It's different at this age where we have life experience and shit like that.

You jaded cynicism and all that shit.

We really idealize love and we look at our partner as forever.

And I'm hanging on, you know, like I love.

that I love that for him.

If it's a hard lesson for him to learn in the future, we don't know.

We don't know.

But I love the fact that he idealizes love so much and feels that level of connection with his partner that he feels like this is forever.

I think that's very sweet.

And I think that's a bad reason.

It's a terrible fucking reason.

I think love is a bad thing.

It's a terrible fucking reason.

But

it is the fact.

I think congrats to them on their marriage.

I think it's a smart move for a young man about to move into a bunch of money to get married and stay out of some potential pitfalls that we see other people fall into.

Yeah, that's.

I think we should be looking at the positive things about this show.

That's what I'm saying.

I'm going with the positive.

And you better make it work too.

Because black women will have their I Told You So moment in the event that it doesn't.

What's this girl's mom?

They don't have any moment.

Black girls don't care.

It'd be a story.

White guy got killed by his white girlfriend at the house.

Black girls be like, I told you.

I told you.

Told you.

You should get the fuck on the white one.

Hey, yo, speaking of black.

Oh, well.

Did you hear about this?

Black girls don't give a fuck.

He died, y'all.

The white girl that killed her black boyfriend, she's not charged.

She got off.

She got off.

Yeah.

And black man was like, see,

that's what happened when you keep going vanilla ice cream.

You don't back her in with all that jungle fever shit.

Yeah.

Your wife could take the argument places.

You can't.

She would take it further.

She take it further.

Congratulations to James.

Congratulations to the happy couple.

And his wife.

I don't see a long road, but.

shout out to Prenup Mel.

I'm down with you, man.

Yeah.

Thank you.

Mel said, I got assets.

Go ahead, Mel.

I do.

You know, Mel Mel is old enough to have something that's savings now.

That's true.

Hold up, though.

She got the

201k.

She got the whole case.

Hey.

She got some old shit.

She know Mel got something.

She got some shoes.

And somebody might have left her a little something.

Hey.

Nigga, come still, Mel Ho.

You be one of them young niggas from the wrong.

Hey, get her sign off.

You see my Instagram home, Daisy.

Wait, that's on the front page of my hulu this morning.

I seen this story a million times already, but the white guy who just caught women all around the world and thinking that he was their man.

Yo, he got home.

He was killed.

Oh, is that the Dear John shit?

Yeah.

Yeah.

But it's a different one.

Okay, yeah.

Yeah, they know.

Oh, okay.

I watched one.

I do a Netflix or something.

It's the same white dude.

Yeah.

It's just the same dude.

That's cool.

That nigga's white male.

Why you think you you can't get spun?

Meaning, like, a young man can't come into your life and get you to trick on him,

let him drive the car.

Tricking, you know.

Oh, wait.

Tricking is different.

So you will trickle.

No, no, no, wait, wait, wait.

Giving gifts is different from...

putting you in my fucking will and putting you as the beneficiary of my

life insurance policy.

That is a huge

difference.

You drive hours to chill, girl.

You drive three hours just to go chill.

Come on, that's what I'm saying.

I like everybody to know.

He does not know fuck all.

She just

chilled outside the crib.

That's a Canadian's your real male.

He didn't even go in the house.

You chilled outside on the balcony.

Shut up.

Anywho's.

And that's still different from signing the dying.

Very much so.

Mel would definitely sign a nigga in a house.

It would never happen.

The point is, Mel, you're in love or you love Mel.

You love Mel.

Mel, you gotta stop doing that.

It would never happen.

Behind her back, yeah.

The freaking frack.

What are you saying over there?

I got you.

He's an unlove.

All right.

Nobody wants to say it.

No, no, we're not with you.

At all.

I'm not going to.

I'm with her, nigga.

I'm spinning you like a top.

Yeah.

Why do you think that's the thing?

What's that little game that you're talking?

I don't see that, man.

I don't see that for me.

I think Mel is a romantic.

Thank you.

That's what I was trying to do.

Maybe even to a fault.

And I think that

the right nigga

nigga start saying and doing the shit that you really been wanting.

Niggas start spitting lyrics from Hey Mata.

I never heard that variety.

Niggas start spaping around.

Boy, Bell Bell Bell.

I think Belle Bell's probably not that to a fault.

Like, that's probably why you're not married now.

It's because you've been too defensive with shit.

Exactly.

On some level.

Yeah, and guess what?

Like this?

Yeah.

Yeah.

get them barks yeah he's absolutely right

no he's absolutely right i have had it i've had it i've had what you're doing what you just i've had an avoidant attachment style my whole life

what was that what was that right there heisman avoid accountability you know you know them

move your hands never heard that no okay i never heard that no no no but parks is absolutely right i don't see mel getting spun yo for real thank you mark yeah you're absolutely right

i'm with y'all no i think i've known me for 15 years i've never seen her spend a dollar on anything like Damn.

Oh, shit.

I don't see.

But there was that one time.

That's what I'm saying.

Yeah.

Right.

With that one person, right?

So that's what I'm saying.

Like, I can see Mel doing the emotional labor, but I don't see Mel actually reaching her pocket and giving somebody her credit card or signing no paperwork.

That's not what I'm talking about.

It's not getting spun.

You ain't got to reach in your pocket.

You're going to be getting spun.

I'm saying, I don't see her signing no paperwork neither for the same reason.

I'm not talking about that.

I'm talking about a young nigga coming into Mel's life right now and taking her on a fucking ride of Ferris wheel, nigga.

Yes, I get it.

And it will happen.

And

he'll get some dollars out of her.

I don't see him giving up no bread.

I'm telling you, I don't know what to do.

She ain't worried that way, John.

She ain't worried that way.

Oh, we can't do that.

No, that's true.

How are we going to do it?

Yeah, I'm sorry.

That was crazy.

We ain't got to talk about Mel's.

I don't think we should be hyper-focused.

Paul me, Paul Me.

You like to get off of that.

Absolutely.

Don't worry about it.

Not as a grace.

Not with her here.

Not as a grace.

It was way better when you weren't here.

We were able to really hyper-focus.

Yeah.

Let's talk about.

If Homegirl ain't get woman's intuition that night, shit.

Mel was in the fucking blender already.

That was a whole different kind of sput.

Mel was in the blender already.

If homegirl didn't get that feeling in her gut,

I can feel it in here.

Halfway to the moon.

And then the bands kicked my ass for saying chicken got it done.

Because it didn't.

So rock though.

Okay.

It did not.

Okay, I say, I think nobody's hyper-focused on your level.

Okay, all right, fine.

Don't problem.

Just know that when we hyper-focus,

it'd be shit there.

It wasn't a chicken, yo.

It wasn't a chicken.

And on top of that,

did you come up with a decision?

Mel with the first

DoorDash.

Mel, did you come up with a decision so we could talk about what we saw over the weekend?

Or you should just, man, we'll leave it alone.

Yeah, we'll leave it alone.

Remember when Joe called you?

Yeah, nope.

Corey, I think we got to put that mac and cheese a preheat.

Mel, you was trying to get to.

Mel, look at me.

You was trying to get to the bag.

Damn.

Racks all racks all rack.

Yeah, the bag I am going to fucking share.

And this is for everybody.

how come how come when y'all do certain shit outside of here We can't talk about it.

You can but it's the way you do

and like if you talk about it regular like you don't hold no punches.

Hey, I saw that bullshit you did boy looking fuck like you gotta hold punches with your friends because when you it takes when you want such a big broadcast and you're doing your own thing

Coming from you who put us who hired us you want to hear positivity positive positivity highlighting

and we want to hear some praises not fucking

wait hold on let me finish

before you take it further we do like

we do like when you get praises but when you not on that praise shit it it's a sting it ain't even about the sting

it's just a lot of motherfuckers hang on your every word that's what's your freeze so

like you called it negativity highlighter at one point yeah even though that was a a thing about that a particular specific instance but You coming out trashing something that somebody out here is working on could lead to a lot of shit.

It's facts.

The same way you coming out, whether you're not, if you don't say nothing and it just do it, it do fine.

You coming out praising something that somebody working on could lead to a lot of shit on the other side.

You guys.

Your voice is dumb out.

You guys,

bear with me for a second.

Work with me.

Yes, sir.

I feel like we've had that talk before.

We have.

We have.

I received the message there.

You have.

That's not what I'm saying.

Okay.

I'm saying if somebody outside of here do something that would indeed be classified as nutty.

We should be be able to talk about it.

I'm not talking about me creating a narrative off of something positive.

We did not.

No, no, no, no.

If I go outside, if I don't.

That's not what I meant either.

If I go leave here and bug out.

Yeah.

And if I come back in here, I'm supposed to act like business as usual with nothing happening.

Y'all like yo, like my sleepwalk and shit.

I did not expect to come back to work and it not be mentioned.

Right, right.

Even though that was beyond my control.

Yeah, more or less.

I mean, you led by example with that.

Yeah, I mean, you.

But wouldn't I be stupid to come to work in this workplace with the people in this workplace and say,

don't talk about that?

Yo, yo, don't talk about me sleepwalking, y'all.

If the sleepwalking didn't go public.

Well, I talked about it before and it never went public.

I talked about sleeping in a bed with somebody.

No, I'm not the most embarrassing thing in the universe.

No, this particular situation and how it unfolded.

If it didn't go public, then none of us would have mentioned that.

You get what I'm saying?

Well, how would you do that?

Unless you was in the hallway.

Well, it might have been something that we like we could have found out internally.

Yeah.

Like let's say hypothetically, you were going through that internally and the world didn't know about it.

And that's it.

How about let's try this a different way.

Gotcha.

What Mel had published.

Yeah, I'll say that on a plan.

Did she expect because she put it public for nobody to say nothing?

That's my question.

Yes.

For the second time.

Yes.

Mel, that shit has so much

views.

What are we talking about?

I'm out of here.

No, it doesn't.

Listen.

Listen, Linda.

It doesn't matter.

Moving right along.

That's right, moving right along.

Yo, really?

We're going to do this?

Yes.

I really don't know.

Did you?

As a sale?

It's fine.

Yes.

It's fine.

What made you put it in?

Oh, my God.

Look at me.

Look at me.

That's your brother.

I think it's good to put her in the middle too.

So many of the audience cares about selling.

Please don't put it in there.

Oh, okay.

Hold on.

I got to take a look at it.

What made you post that?

Let's.

You go to the kitchen.

We're going to talk about your back.

We'll discuss it.

She put the half off.

That shit was $3.

She said half off.

Girl, you wasn't making $10.

It wasn't wasn't 20.

That shit was $3.

$2.99.

I support creators creating details.

How about the same thing?

I support creators.

We just had the conversation about

it.

You know what I mean?

I agree with you.

Shout out to Big Mal.

I'm not familiar with the story, but whatever she's doing, I support it.

That's right.

Fully.

Yo, be careful.

Extremely careful.

As a content creator, I support it.

Be careful.

Yeah.

Tricky.

Mel, can you break it down for us just?

Because I'm not familiar with this story.

We're going to move on, okay.

Oh, if you don't want to talk about it, okay.

What is our next order of business?

Mel is the greatest.

Let me set a timer.

Yo, can y'all.

Our next order of business is the mac and cheese that she's cooking.

Did you put it in the oven?

I just put it in the oven.

You ain't preheat?

The oven was preheated.

She's about to put the time on.

How long do you cook it for?

Mel put the cheese on the bottom of the pan.

Excuse me?

It was.

I just do a

light dusting.

Mel puts cheese on the bottom of the pan.

I do a light dusting.

A light dusting.

How long does it cook for?

It's cooking for like 35 minutes, but I have to get up in order to take the foil off in order to crisp the top.

That's a convection oven?

Hmm?

All right, never mind.

This is just about to be soup.

The answer is no, it's just a regular oven.

That's convection.

Do you normally make it in a regular oven?

That expensive ass oven better be convection.

Let's see what happens.

Okay.

Ain't no bullshit over there.

Nah.

I may taste the mac and cheese just to see.

There we go.

All right.

Flip, will you taste it too?

No, I'm lactose intolerant.

Okay, okay.

Jesus is such a lair.

Come on, Flip.

Let's just one bite.

Pause.

All right.

Oh,

shit.

Yo.

And this is what happened.

You be wilding off that Syrah.

You know what?

You want Diddy?

Yo, that Diddy shit.

When you win that Syrah, look at you, nigga.

I just asked you.

You talk popping champagne.

You get a little different.

You put your whole body in a seat.

You good?

Dog, I'm great.

I just asked a question, man.

Can we move on?

Yes.

Speaking of Diddy, there's been a lot of kid-cutty talk.

yes sir there's some there's a serious part and a not so serious part but i guess the first part is the actual case uh puff's lawyers want the kid cuddy testimony taken out and as somebody who is appalled by diddy and appalled by this whole story i feel bad but they right they're wrong they're wrong what's the base on what you think you think diddy's lawyers are wrong yes

i think they why do they want to wait hold on why do they want it removed okay they want kid cuddy's testimony removed because they said it's all speculation true okay they they he didn't actually witness anything.

How do you know Puff came in your house and opened your gifts, locked the dog up?

How do you know he was the one behind whatever happened to your car?

Some diabolical.

Like, you didn't see him.

You have no proof it's him.

This is exactly what his team said.

Okay.

Kid Cuddy.

Glasses on.

Right, I know.

Kid Cuddy's speculation about Combs' involvement had minimal probative value, whereas the danger of unfair prejudice, particularly since he was opening,

since he was opening about ultimate issue as to which uh he was the alleged victim whether combs was guilty of arson or um one of the charged racketeering acts was great

i i think the point is during testimony object to this shit exactly

i've been in the court where it's hearsay speculation objection objection and they'll beat that whole fucking argument up basically kill him on the cross yo they allowed pictures to be shown of a car that got burnt up to influence the jury motherfucker who burnt your car up how Prove that I burnt your car up.

And in the conversation, in Cuddy's testimony, he says he met with Puff at some

Soho House.

He met with Puff there.

They had a conversation, and he was like, yo, but about my car.

Puff's response was, what car?

Yeah.

So even if I'm the lawyer, yo, my client didn't even know what the fuck you was talking about.

Even though you talked to him, he didn't know.

But then a couple of years ago,

he stated that him and Puff ran into each other again.

And I'm sorry for all that shit.

Yeah, and Puff was remorseful.

Just said, I'm sorry for all that shit.

Yes.

that is hearsay.

Yeah, like, dog.

It's not hearsay, but

I get your point.

It has limited value.

It's not hearsay because he told him directly.

He told him directly.

That's not hearsay.

But when you're saying, yo, he came in my house and did this to my car.

What?

I mean, he

unwrapped my gifts.

He turned my alarm off.

I know I shouldn't find it.

He put my dog in the bathroom.

You can't prove Puff did none of that shit or even ordered it done.

Maybe we, I mean, behind closed doors, we might think that he did, but you can't can't prove that yeah no one didn't prove it to the it's two totally different things and you influence the jury and you influence the public by saying i did all but that's why i'm saying diddy's lawyers are right you know no wrong

guy should have did that i think i think that's true too yeah i think they up yeah and i think diddy has a a real argument for ineffective counsel which might be the the back door strategy here no diddy intended but but but but aside from the backdoor strategy you said theoretically it should be exon i agree with you right but i still think they have an argument that this should be thrown out because ultimately I want as much whatever I think of Diddy and I don't think much of Diddy I still want defendants in general to be

have fair trial.

Yeah, to have a fair trial and somebody bringing in some shit if Cuddy had said look Diddy told me he burned it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's different, then that's fine.

But I'm like, he fucking told you

what you're talking about, which any reasonable person would say because you think they're wearing a wire.

Of course, of course.

So

I understand why Diddy will want this thrown out is all I'm saying.

And I hate that it went down that way.

And I believe Cuddy.

I believe Cuddy 100%.

I'm sure a bunch of people believe that this is the truth.

Yeah.

But that's what we believe to be the truth and what you can prove is the truth are two totally different things.

And I think that

his lawyers and them dropped the ball.

They totally dropped the ball.

But I think that.

But the thing that I keep saying.

Do you think that could be strategy?

Again, maybe they're trying to prepare for an ineffective counsel, some shit where, like, look, there was some shit here where clearly, you know what I mean?

Like, like.

Y'all say that.

I don't view that that way.

What?

What do you mean?

What do you think?

Like, with the whole ineffective counsel thing, because they didn't object, object, object while Kid Cuddy was up there.

If you know someone,

I must say Kid Cuddy is another star witness.

All the reports I've read, that's how they reacted to it.

If you know that all of his testimony, you might have a chance of taking out, maybe you let him go.

Maybe that's a strategy.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

But this is the same thing.

This was literally going to feel for ineffective counsel because this was so obvious,

too.

I don't understand.

Y'all saying two.

I'm not saying that that happens for him to file for ineffective counsel.

I'm saying if the counsel is great, maybe their strategy together is to let all of that go and have all of it stricken.

Oh, which I which is why I say the right, I asked you what you're saying now.

Yeah, and that's why I say I think they're right for making this move.

I think it's right.

And I agree with you that they're doing the right thing here.

Yo, let's keep it a buck, though.

The jury can't unhear what they heard.

That's what I was about to say.

And that's the hard part.

The jury can't.

Okay, Strike can hear what they heard.

I heard the shit.

Right.

And they already, but the truth is, they already heard that shit before they got to court.

Yeah, but I ain't.

I saw the pictures of the car.

Yeah, they never saw us.

I didn't know nothing.

I knew about him blowing the car.

I didn't know about the gifts and

breaking in the house and all that other shit.

That's more diabolical than him blowing up my car.

Yeah, that's some cold blips.

He broke in my house.

He disarmed the alarm and put my dog in the bathroom and unwrapped my gifts.

Not to be toxic.

Not to be toxic.

What are we talking about?

Not to be way scarier than a nigga throwing a Molotov cocktail in your car.

Not to be toxic, but

if my wife ever were to date somebody else, and I don't know if she hears this part of the podcast, I'd like to think.

It's very deep enough.

I'd like to.

Yeah, I hope so.

But I'd like to...

Actually, I won't.

I may send this to her.

Damn marino on you.

I do this.

This is the level of petty and diabolical that I want, I aspire to be.

I don't support anything Diddy has done.

But I understand the idea of tracking down,

particularly if she were like cheating.

Not so much like if she just, if we break up, if you break up,

you move on with your life.

But if there's just another nigga that's showing up or showing attention, yeah, I want to unwrap his gifts.

His dog, his dog gonna go missing,

you know what I mean?

He may have a drop top that he didn't buy, you know what I'm saying?

Like,

am I alone in this?

I know you understand, you've been married 19 more than 19 years.

You 17 years, number one, number two.

You're not alone, but I'm not gonna elaborate.

I learned how to edit myself on that.

I ain't gonna elaborate.

Parks, you with me too, right?

No, no, no.

I ain't even gotta ask Ice.

I already know.

Ice ride with me.

Hell, real quick, though, how y'all feel about Thug calling Cuddy a rat?

Calling him a rat.

What the fuck?

He's a subpoenaed witness.

How?

How does snitch culture overlap with this when you are subpoenaed?

You have a federal fucking subpoena.

He's a civilian.

Did Cuddy?

He removed himself from hip-hop.

I stayed with Thug on this one.

Yeah, did he?

Freeze, did Kiddie.

Shut up, Mark.

What?

He's such a liar.

On my mama.

No, you don't.

He stated that position from the day he walked in.

All right,

it's a federal subpoena.

I don't recall.

And if you.

Y'all got to give the testimony.

I don't recall what you say.

Freeze, did Kid Cuddy remove himself from hip-hop?

Huh?

No, I can't say that.

So there's rules, the industry rules, and there's rules that you're about to do.

You asked the wrong nigga over here.

No, I'm just asking.

Hold on, hold on.

Room three.

No, no, no.

Where's the hip-hop

rules?

You know what I'm saying?

It's an interesting talk here.

I wish y'all would have.

I'm trying.

Where's the hip-hop rule book that says

there's rules?

It's an unspoken rule in hip-hop since before Eric B and Rock Him.

You're wrong.

It's an unspoken rule.

I'm going to let you finish.

Go ahead.

Yeah.

Where back in the days, a lot of people.

You talking about today?

What are you talking about?

We're not back in the days.

All right, what I'm saying is that you said, where's the rules?

The unspoken rule, because back in the days, a lot of the rappers hung out with street niggas and they rapped about the niggas that they were hanging out with and they embodied their lifestyle.

I'm with you.

1000%.

So what I'm saying is that that rule, unspoken rule, trickled down to today.

In hip-hop, you're not supposed to take a stand against

anyone.

What street niggas did Kid Cuddy align himself with and rap about?

He didn't do none of the stuff of the people that you're talking about.

And come up that way.

And back in the day.

Not a part of none of that.

Basketball, you can only take two steps.

Nowadays, niggas take five and get to the bucket.

It's a whole different ballgame.

I think that

what you are correct and where you come from and where I may come from and where Mark may come from that don't apply to other people in hip-hop

some of these niggas didn't come from that some of these boys grew up in the suburbs and played with a sanguino and learned how to make their own beats and all that other shit and took a whole different

listen this is why if they said kelsey did that and tori ain't snitch this i would attribute it to his understanding of hip-hop can i hear mark and mel have the fight Because I may be with Mel.

I'm confused by your position.

You can't be.

I'm consistent with this.

This is what I'm saying.

Cuddy has every legal right to do what he did.

And I don't know if I would use the word rat because I like to reserve the word rat for people who commit crimes and then sell out the person who they committed crimes with.

Yeah.

But I absolutely wouldn't do what Cuddy did.

You know what I mean?

Which is testifying.

Which is testify.

I mean, the nigga...

The nigga opened your Christmas presents.

Like, there's a way to handle shit like that.

And that's not it.

It's not built to handle that.

And I don't respect that.

And Thug doesn't respect that.

I'm not saying he doesn't have a right to do it.

And I think civilians should do civilian shit.

I'm just saying, and that's why I don't love the word rat.

I think I would have used a different word to describe it.

Tatashel.

But yeah, but I would definitely criticize that, especially, especially because Cuddy was talking about, I want to see that nigga.

I want to fight that nigga.

I told him, I met up with that nigga.

They had a talk about him hiding his dog and taking his

tonka truck.

Like,

super shocked by your position.

That shit.

I'm not.

I also said that's the other day.

I say it all the time.

Like,

you got to take a lane.

Again, if you're a civilian and you do civilian shit, fine.

I feel like this podcast started with him expressing how happy he was that some of the covert behavior is coming to the limelight, right?

Yeah.

But I don't think all covert behavior needs to be handled through the criminal legal system.

I think there's a way to handle it.

Would it be okay for a kid Cuddy to try and try and shake down Puff?

You would be fine with that part?

I was thinking of a different response to that, one that I wouldn't necessarily say.

He saw Puff in the house he could have merry fist up that's what i'm saying you standing totally you stand in front of him after saying you want to fight the nigga in the event that somebody doesn't want to fight the person that they may be afraid of what do you suggest they do one don't say i want to fight the nigga and two i'm not holding ask for a new portion and not just that he let the shit right yo at least the shit was 2012 he let the shit go for like he let it go He got subpoenaed.

It ain't like he walked up and said, hey, let me tell y'all something about him.

Yeah.

He subpoenaed the nigga.

I'm not calling it.

That's what she said

and i'm shocked because in the in your very first breath

you uh i don't want to say applaud the behavior from from puff up toward kid cuddy but uh empathize with it and understand

where that person is coming from and could maybe identify if put in a similar situation yes so you want to be able to do all the things puff did to keep cuddy without the repercussion of the nigga going to jail.

I mean, the nigga

putting forth the action to put you in jail.

Start from the premise.

You're missing an important premise here.

I don't necessarily think jail and prison is the way to resolve it.

He always said that.

But I don't believe there shouldn't be consequences for behavior.

Are you surprised because of, are you surprised because of Mark Lamont?

Because you would understand what we're saying.

Of course he would.

Are you surprised because?

He just done the same shit.

Are you surprised because it's Mark Lamont Hill?

Is that what you're saying?

I'm surprised that a man of your stature.

Because I'm hearing, I'm just hearing different conflicting views.

And I'm saying it's considered.

If you really hear what I'm saying, it's consistent.

I don't believe in jail and prison.

I believe in accountability.

Shit got to come from somewhere.

Question.

But it should only come from women.

I'm not opposed to yourself.

I'm saying men, women, whoever.

I'm saying.

No, you're not saying.

There's no woman involved in this.

Okay, I'm not doing this with you.

Indirectly.

I think you're missing my point.

Indirectly.

I'm saying if you, if, Joe, if somebody blew your fucking car up, you would not call the police.

You'd go fuck them up.

I don't know that to be true.

No, you won't.

Okay, fair enough.

I don't know that to be true.

If you did, let me, all right, that's fair.

If you did, I would not fault you for that.

What if it's someone you can't fuck up?

Then don't say I don't want to fuck them up.

What if you say that spoke about

them pointing out?

If a civilian does civilian shit, I'm okay with it.

I'm a civilian.

I wouldn't call the police, but if I did, I don't think it's wrong to call the police.

I'm not saying that's what I said.

He's not a rat.

He didn't do rat shit.

This is civilian shit.

What's the remedy if someone does some shit to you and you can't fuck them up?

In your system.

Just eat that, right?

I would need a specific example.

It would depend on what it is.

Tim Cuddy can't fuck up puff.

Tim Cuddy can't fuck up puff.

No matter what he said to him on the phone, he quickly realized that after he said it.

Now, after he said, yo, I'm on my way.

Oh, shit.

You know what?

This nigga's scared.

Here's my take on the situation.

Kid Cuddy is a civilian here.

He's not beholden to whatever, you know, rules and streets.

And he does not think that way.

Also, this is, I'm going to go out on a limb and say, this is the first time he's ever had to do what this is.

testify in front of a in in in front of open court a federal case having been subpoenaed, how the fuck are you supposed to know what you're supposed to do, what you're supposed to say,

how you're supposed to edit yourself, audit what you're saying?

He's just blah, saying it all.

I still want to know the remedy.

Yeah, and I'm not ignoring that question.

I'm going to circle back because now I understand what you were asking about the just women thing too.

Let me be clear.

I never believe that the courts and the criminal system is the best way to handle things.

I understand as a practical matter that until we provide alternatives, people have to do that.

So when someone steals your car or assaults you or kidnaps you or molests, I'm not saying that you shouldn't.

I don't say you snitch or you fucking with the system.

No, you have to use the best tools that you have in front of you.

I just don't think that that's the ideal system, and that's not for just women, that's for anybody, right?

Um, and including Cuddy.

So, again, I don't say Cuddy is wrong for doing this, and I don't, I definitely wouldn't say Cuddy's a rat for doing it.

I think we overuse the word rat and snitch, that's just not fair.

That's just not fair.

What I am saying, though, is I don't play by those rules, and so I can empathize with why Thug would feel feel a way about somebody doing that especially if you put the option of fucking him up on the table now maybe I'm holding too much weight and I hear you are maybe I'm putting too much weight on that he could have just said that

that might be fair because if you don't if you don't mention fucking him up then I haven't and you call the police because he blew up your car I'd still be like damn you

maybe he ghouled like height weight

mark said he stands by yo you go to court and you say yo I don't recall what happened yeah that's what I don't remember but I'm still wondering what the number I remember, but Mark.

But I would take a civil option over that.

Okay, that's what I'm saying.

Because, again, like, again, it's not, and that's not perfect for me, but at least then it fits my abolitionist principle, which is you took, you blew up my car, you need to restore me to what I lost.

As I keep saying on the show, putting somebody in a cage doesn't restore what you lost.

You gotta rewrap your gifts and demons.

Yeah.

What about the emotional damage?

What about the fact that, like, yo, this nigga could come in my house anytime he wants?

He just proved that to me.

Get him back.

How do you drink?

battle?

I was about to say, get a dog, but Brooks took that.

Get a real dog.

Let's get a real dog.

Oh, man.

Peter struggled putting that Kenneth Corso.

Oh, no, no, no.

That wasn't.

That worked with Brooklyn.

Yeah, no, not at all.

At all.

Was there a reason why he said it?

Like, was there a question that provoked that response?

Wait, before you have an intelligent

conversation, let's just highlight Markov.

Markov Sirock.

It's not the Sirox.

Markov the Sirock.

Diddy Juice got it.

It's crazy.

That was crazy.

It's just the idea of somebody coming to your crib and opening your presence.

That's hilarious.

That's the motherfucker trying to send you a message.

That's so disrespectful.

Again, that shit reminds me of what.

You took the time to wrap up.

It reminds me of what happened with NBA Youngboy out in Texas when Jay Princeton was trying to holler at him.

He was ignoring them, playing them out.

And then they went, took his keys to his Rolls Voice, took the umbrellas out just to show you, hey, we can get in here.

Right.

Like, it's just a message we sent in the car.

We ain't fucking nothing up.

Getting in the car versus getting in.

The car was in the garage.

You got in my garage.

You showing me that I could get in here.

I want to laugh too because on my nigga side, this is fucking hilarious.

It's just a lot going on with celebrities being stalked.

Yeah, you wouldn't be mindful if we knew Lindy Laugh.

Niggas is getting a fucking whole jewelry box, their whole safe.

They're running out with the whole safe.

yeah they killing people

again i always go back to lady gaga's dog sitter like yeah i just seen it's just too much going on they tracking the athletes away schedule and just they going crazy so this is hilarious but i understand how

it's scary as shit

i get that i get that you'd be in that and for most people that pay they fucking tax dollars that the picture i heard about a picture that they took of y'all walking out the stadium

y'all walking out the stadium you and and your girl.

And y'all was, they said that y'all was hailing down so or something.

Oh, they're in.

Bro.

The guard.

That's scary, my nigga.

But that's the guy.

But that's regular.

I don't know.

That's the guard.

That somebody knows exactly what door you're coming out.

It's a celebrity door.

I know that door.

They stand there and just video everybody that comes out.

Yeah, that's a slightly different situation.

They catch anybody coming out, fam.

Or going in.

Anybody will.

Okay.

And if it's one thing I can count on my driver for being late.

Get you lined up.

It's to not be right where I need him to be.

He says that shit all the time, man.

My driver don't really understand on that celebrity stuff.

No, he don't understand.

He don't understand associated with it.

He don't understand rush.

That too.

There's a few things he knows.

Everything he's picking up.

A corporate dude.

Yeah, he used to driving them niggas, bro.

Yeah, it's different.

No matter how many times he sees me get my dick sucked back there.

Right?

He probably sees that too.

Look, they get their dicks up too.

Yeah, they are.

They get their dick sucked too.

Touche.

Yeah.

Touche.

Anywho's.

Anywho.

The other thing, just to close out the whole rat thing, because you were saying

it's

basically unwritten rules and all of this.

One part that a lot of street people in particularly don't understand is those on the other side don't really give a fuck what y'all think

Yeah, and that's not true.

Some a lot don't a lot don't a lot don't play in that world A lot don't really care about that world.

That's y'all shit.

But a lot of niggas trying to emulate that world.

Oh, absolutely.

There's a lot of people.

I wouldn't say him.

No, no, no.

There's people that don't have anything to do with that that y'all try to hold these rules to, and it's just, it's unfair to them.

1,000%.

I agree.

Nothing about Kid Cuddy ever said I'm trying to be a street nigga.

I care about streets.

I'm anything street nigga.

Not even a little thing.

I want to put street rules on them.

I don't even fancy a bar that sounds like that.

I think the whole Izzy or Rat thing is a question that should never never be commercialized.

Like, that question shouldn't be so mainstream.

And I think that's their business.

I think that question should never be from Thug,

given everything that you've been through and how they just, you shouldn't even, you shouldn't be, why?

Participating in the conversation.

Why?

Because he just, to Flip's point, Thug sees the world as this.

I'm talking about, I am on a ridiculous probation right now.

They are already looking for any reason to fuck with me.

I don't want to talk about nothing.

Oh,

that game, that culture.

I don't want to talk about nothing.

I hear what you're saying.

That's a nice.

It's so tempting.

I hear what you're saying.

I'm not disagreeing.

Which is why I think he deleted it so fast.

But tease in peace.

Teasing peace.

Teas and peace indeed.

The trial is ongoing.

So if anything else happens, we'll keep you posting.

We saw Boeing getting off scot-free?

Yeah, I should have discussed it.

Keeps happening.

See what power?

Somebody explained it.

They're not going to be able to be held liable for any of the accidents that have happened recently.

Anything.

Yeah.

And they're grilling them.

It's going to pay some money.

They found them.

They found evidence that they were cutting corners on certain shit.

And the CEO was in front of a congressional hearing.

He got a 40% raise, 35% raise from last year.

He's at like $33 million a year, $32 million a year.

And they basically said, so you could cut corners on building your planes, but you got a 40%

pay increase.

I wonder why you did that?

Because you lowered the bottom line by taking the shortcuts, but they ain't going to hold them in

no liability at all.

Yeah, speaking of getting off, Donald Trump's.

Oh,

it's crazy.

His children, all of you.

Be mature like me, please.

Donald Trump has been pardoning a lot of people.

He pardoned a sheriff in Virginia, your home state,

who had given 75.

That is his home state.

It is not my home state.

He be trying to remix it when he tells his upbringing story.

I was in D.C.

I was in Baltimore.

You was in the hickity.

Charlottesville, nigga.

Exactly.

You was in Sticksville, Virginia, nigga.

Right, TBC.

We know where you were.

No doubt D.C.

or Charlotteville.

I've never lived in Virginia in my life.

We know.

We got it, buddy.

What are you talking about?

Anyway, there was a sheriff in Virginia named Scott Jenkins who got convicted of fraud.

He was literally selling

sheriff's deputy badges and sheriff's deputy status to people.

I think he made

word.

He made 75,000 cash.

Who are you selling for?

A whole 75,000.

These are a small town.

Yeah, exactly.

These are a small town.

That's the town.

Yo, give us all this.

What?

Word.

What he was

I don't know.

That's what I wasn't knowing.

But he got convicted is the point.

And they found a whole pattern of corruption in the department.

He was convicted.

Trump pardoned him.

Two days ago, Donald Trump pardoned a tax cheat, somebody who had literally had a tax fraud conviction because he attended or his mother attended a million-dollar plate dinner.

So Trump is very clearly saying if you pay,

you're good.

And the reason I'm bringing this up is because there's a lot of talk that

George Floyd's killer, Chauvin, Derek Chauvin, is going to be next on the list.

They're fighting for him to be.

But that ain't going to affect the state case, though, is it?

It's not.

But I'm wondering about just symbolically

what it looks like if they forget.

I mean, does the country catch on fire again?

Do niggas get mad?

Or are we at a point where we're over and we just accepted that the world is over?

I think they would do that if he were to, in some way, be released.

But because he still got them 20, was it 22 years

state?

He got crazy state time.

Yeah, yeah he got crazy state time so i think when people realize that it's like okay you did some

but you ain't let him out right you can't let him out the other fear is that if and the governor out there ain't ain't um this governor oh yeah yeah yeah if you're doing 22 you'll wait three yeah yeah i didn't think about that you know what i'm saying because a lot of times the fed thing is the thing you're most worried about like i can't get the president to do you can get a governor to do just about anything

So I'm just saying this country might be on fire again soon.

I wouldn't be surprised if we see a whole lot of protests for this because of all this pay-to-play stuff.

It's going to let a lot of guilty people out.

That nigga said, yo, he's giving away,

you want to come in the country?

Five mil.

Nigga, they're getting ready to do that show that we've been talking about.

The show with the immigrants.

Yeah.

So, you know, you got to be able to see who can last in order to get a citizenship.

You know what I mean?

A few things while we're on this Law and Order segment.

How do you guys feel about the decision to try Carmelo Anthony as an adult?

I hate it.

That's hard.

Carmelo Anthony is the young man that killed that white boy over there in Texas.

And he's how old again?

He's a minor.

He's a minor.

He's a minor.

So why would he be being tried as an adult?

You know, a lot of times they say.

A lot of times they do that.

Yeah, they do that so often when there's a brutal murder, they say this is so heinous that we're going to try a person as an adult, which I never agree with for all the reasons.

I'm not even convinced you should try somebody as a dog.

He's 18.

He's 18, yeah.

Yeah, and I'm saying at 18, you have an option, but I'm saying we know how the frontal cortex works.

We know the brain isn't developed for another eight eight years.

I mean, to try somebody at even 18 to me is sketchy.

So I think

that's another potential power situation.

I was about to, that's why I thought of it.

I could see America turning upside down just with some of this legal shit coming up.

I also wanted to go ahead.

I wanted to have a conversation with Mark, Joe, but I didn't mean to interrupt.

I'm sorry.

No, it's just more law shit.

Yeah, I want to talk to him about law and instance.

Mark, do you think that you're giving the wrong message when you say that

you're not for?

Oh, okay.

you're not for

I know we talked about this before but the more you elaborate on it the more it gets confusing so

people like me and other people we look up to you for advice and for you to take a

look down to you for advice yeah whatever or you know we

expect you to take a higher road and just preach things that can help the society move forward.

Yeah, but then when you say that I don't believe in prison, I don't believe in jail, I believe that there's other ways that you handle things, the other way would be with to me, if you explain it to me, would be violence.

So then you'll still be promoting black-on-black violence, even if that may not be a thing to you, or violence in a neighborhood that can also keep us stagnant.

If you understand why?

I feel that.

I think that that position presumes that there's only one solution, and that's violence.

And I'm saying that there are other ways to resolve issues.

When I talk about abolition,

the first thing I say is it's a long-term strategy.

It's a long-term vision.

It's about decarceration, getting people out of prison, but it's also about excarceration, stopping things from having people go into prison.

For example, most people who go are in prison aren't there for violence.

They're not there for child molestation.

They're not there for rape.

They're not there for stalking, right?

Most people are there for

crimes of poverty, for crimes of, you know.

So for me, the first thing I would do is I'd say, well, why are we locking people up for gambling?

Why are we locking people up for prostitution?

Do we really want prostitution to be illegal?

Do we really, you know what I mean?

Do we really want simple possession of these drugs to be illegal i can name a bunch of things that we probably could all agree shouldn't be illegal in the first place so i'm trying to stop people from going in i'm also trying to get people out you know locking people up for certain crimes to me as opposed to work release as opposed to suspended sentences as opposed to uh community service there are things we could do to get people out i'm not saying resolve our problems i'm not saying like somebody steals your tv punch them in the face okay although that might be my natural inclination i don't want to make law based on my natural inclination i would say if somebody steals my tv how can i how can i how can they make me whole again?

But you're not making it clear that there should be consequences.

You're basically like putting a band-aid over open wounds when you say, okay, just if somebody do something,

there should be consequences for your actions.

And where's the deterrent to somebody else from stealing your TV?

Because that for a couple folk, hey,

I'm not going to break in that house because if we get caught, I know I might have to go sit up and do XYZ.

I think that's the right question.

I think both of your questions are the right question.

I think first, the thing that stops people from,

i don't just want to stop people from stealing tvs i want to eliminate the desire to steal my tv what makes people still not steal my tv jobs usually okay i see opportunity as well you want to go to you want to go to the core we gotta get at the root got it you know what i mean and to me those are the types of things now again some niggas just want to steal tvs some people just want to commit assault some people just want to do harm even when they're not poor or desperate so i'm not pretending that the world it can all be fixed through social programs but most of it can be usually when you get a lot of it a lot of it you know what i mean when you get rid of it

most yeah

I don't even say a lot.

I'll take that.

But he just said a story the other day where somebody went through all the resources, went through all the social programming, came outside and did a crime.

We just, all this stemmed from a very rich man doing some fucking crazy, heinous, and slash petty shit.

Right.

So one could argue that we should rein in their wealth.

Oh, I'm with you on that.

Yeah.

Which is it?

All my stuff is connecting here.

I'm saying it.

Okay.

I'm seeing what you're saying.

Even if people don't agree, they connect, right?

So I'm not saying people should be reckless out here.

I'm halfway joking with the thug shit, but in general, even if I would do it, or you might do it, or whoever might do it.

But at the end of the day, I'm saying we got to change how things operate so that our only options are be mad or lock somebody up.

Those can't be the only, or fuck somebody up.

Those can't be the only choices.

We got to come up with better choices.

And that's a whole different vision of the world.

And we got to do step by step.

But in the meantime, all we got is all we got.

So that's what I say.

I don't get mad when people call the police when somebody stole their TV or their car because who else you're going to call?

But I hate the fact that

if somebody steals my TV or my car, the only person I can call is somebody with a gun as opposed to somebody who can actually solve this problem for me.

We got to change the way the world is later.

That's all for me.

Man, you guys are like a palate cleanser with these talks.

I wasn't expecting.

Yo, y'all, come on, man.

Give it up.

I just hate this nigga.

I just hate this.

And the more I work here, the more I hate this nigga.

I didn't expect that.

But I like him more.

My last law and order question for you guys, the

Escaped 11.

How do we feel about the grandparents and some of the people that are being charged with aiding and abetting a criminal

for helping their kids?

I don't like it, but I get it.

Yeah.

It is, you know what I mean?

The law is the law, so I do understand it.

If you escape, if you escape, would you put your grandmother in that position?

You already know that.

Goddamn right.

Yeah, absolutely.

And grandma going to come through, too.

Granny got to go hold her down.

No, but

I wouldn't want Granny to go to jail.

I wouldn't want her to go to jail.

Well, then you contradicted what I just asked.

I'm just saying.

So y'all calling grandma for help when you get out.

It's all over.

Yes, right?

They say I'm calling grandma even if she goes to jail.

No, what we're saying is even that person didn't think that grandma was going to go to jail over it.

I'm not sure if he knew grandma would go to jail for a fact that he would put her in that place.

If you knew

her.

Do you think the guy that escaped don't know that the people that help him is probably going to be a fairly fair person?

A lot of people don't force.

A lot of people don't know that.

No, a lot of people don't know that.

They don't.

A lot of people don't know that.

I don't know.

I don't know prison jail rules.

I don't know.

Harboring a fugitive.

No, I don't.

Aiding and abetting.

Yeah, that's the basic way.

Like, those aren't, yeah, that's not the white collar crimes.

I think that niggas be selfish and they in survival mode.

Was there any plausible deniability here that he's like, hey, I got out.

And she was like, oh, baby, you're home.

And she didn't know that he escaped.

And the old people watch Channel Channel 12 News religiously and they see

plausible deniability.

My TV was stolen.

Put your hands behind your back, man.

Yes.

Yeah.

Plausible deniability.

While you put your hands behind your back.

No, we're going to deny it.

But you know what we're going to deny, Nana?

Your bam.

And you know what else to do?

Because my grandmother said this quite a few times.

Like, some of them old folks think they ain't going to get into trouble.

Yeah.

Yeah, they think, like, yo, I'm old.

They ain't going, you know, if they come to me or whatever, if I have a problem because of this, it's going to be something like they don't think they're going to jail over that.

My grandmother said quite a few things.

And we're like, Mom, they're going to lock your ass up.

Boy, I'm 83.

They won't take your ass.

You don't think about me.

Yeah.

Put the gun back.

Fuck.

All right, that's it for my Law and Order segment.

I don't know.

Any other questions about stories that may depress each and every one of us?

I'm done.

Okay.

They're down to two.

Listen, as far as predictions, I'm about four for four, five for five with some of the shit that's been going on this year, but I can't say it yet.

I predicted that Studface would be the last one.

A lot of people say a lot of people like Studface.

That he was

one of the ones that orchestrated the whole shit.

See, I don't know.

I didn't read that.

I read that.

Stud face.

He had a plan.

Yeah, he had a plan.

And I read something that contradicted whatever I reported last week about his murders being revenge murder for the cop that killed his grandmother.

I don't know what's true and what's not true.

I just know that the dude that looked like a stud in the face,

a lot of people had him picked as the favorite to last.

Some of these niggas didn't make it out of New Orleans.

They had no payment.

Listen, a video just dropped with one of the two.

You still had no grandma to help.

A video just dropped with one of the two

who ain't getting no money on the street.

A nigga just did a video.

He just dropped a video.

I don't know if it's antagonizing him, but just dropped a social media video.

One of the niggas that's currently out right now.

Oh, in the pool.

When he jumped in the pool, I ain't been swimming in 19 years.

He had fresh braids.

Yeah, he just.

Don't worry, he's next.

That's how we know Stud Face going to win.

Because the other nigga doing shit like that.

Mm-hmm.

Stud face, you ain't heard a word.

Not a people.

And let me stop calling him that in case he's in Jersey.

Hey, Joe.

Nigga might have called a Greyhound.

Might have caught a Greyhound.

Oh, that's what you said.

I just don't know his name, but y'all know know who I'm talking about.

It's dud face.

All right, what else?

What else?

What else is this?

Important, unimportant.

Unless he's in front of me.

Hey, Joe.

What else needs our undivided attention?

Like, that helps anything ever.

Did any of y'all watch the AMAs?

No.

Do we not care about the AMA?

Is that just an award show we don't give a fuck about?

Facts, I don't.

I don't.

They don't even announce what it's coming or anything like that.

At least not since Michael Jackson.

Algorithm Crazy.

All right, fine.

Michael Jackson.

Did anybody here catch any of them Beyonce shows?

I'm going tomorrow.

Oh, okay.

My girl went to the show.

She took one of those.

Tear.

My girl went.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Five or six fucking shows over there.

How long was the show, you remember?

No.

Okay.

You try to brace yourself?

Yes.

I'm trying to figure out how much I got to.

I heard it was Lenty Paul.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I heard that.

They went.

She didn't get back home madly.

I don't know.

Okay.

But she said it was dope.

Yeah, sure.

Hold on, Ish.

Hold on, get on this show.

Hold on, Ish.

Okay.

Well, your confidence is up there, my nigga.

Did you

got the you got her location on your

Samsung?

You just know that she went there directly?

I just want to make sure you get

confident niggas.

You just too confident for that, nigga.

I'll be worried.

You was worried.

About what?

Who did she go with?

Dolo?

No, one of my homegirls.

Oh, mmm.

Okay.

Had a watch.

Had a watch.

Had a watch.

Okay, Ish.

Smart man.

I thought you fell off, itch.

I thought you fell off for a minute.

Smart man.

Yeah, yeah.

You did the right thing, like, like Spike.

You did the right thing.

You a smart nigga.

I thought you fell off, nigga.

But you back with the jump off.

She was getting updates all night.

Yeah, what she doing right now.

Yeah, she just went to the concessions thing.

I walked with her.

They was a ransomware, but now she was respecting her.

She held it down.

She held you down.

You know what I mean?

She said she had a man and boyfriend.

I wish I would.

We all

like that, but you have to worry about if your girl is outside.

You get

your girl.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

No, sir.

But if you put in your homegirl with your girl,

I didn't didn't do that.

That was their own bad.

Just happened after that.

Just happened after that.

You know what?

She's free tonight.

Hit it off.

Hey, thank God.

What are you not doing me?

You smart niggas.

I forgot.

You can take the hustle.

You can take the nigga out of the hustle, but you can't take the hustle out the nigga.

That's so stupid.

That nigga scram fam.

Last thing on my line, bro.

You stupid.

Crazy.

He couldn't knock if he bucked, though.

Because the homegirl wasn't there.

What he was going to do?

Nothing crazy.

That's what I'm saying.

She came in when the fuck she came in.

That nigga issued to do 90%.

Yeah, you're going to be over there on your side of the bed.

She's going to go in, smack smack you on the ass.

Baby, sleep.

Smack him on the ass.

Bow.

It's going to put the baby to sleep and sit right on the porch.

Like the white power where he got it in.

White power.

On the porch now.

He's going to do his legs like this.

It's in there snoring up and staring.

She put the blanket over her.

Look at my baby cold.

Look at my baby.

Forgot to put the blanket over him, man.

Look at her.

But you got to understand.

She coming at 4:30, nigga.

Our brother's going to be crazy.

Our brother, you know, he always got a plan.

So he was like, yo, you came in at 4:30, so I could be out to 6:30.

Damn, my baby left the TV on again.

Look at my baby watching fucking Martin rerun.

Oh, yeah.

He's so cute, man.

Let me get in bed.

No doubt.

Let me shower first, though.

Let me get in the shower first.

Telltale.

That's the telltale.

You was in the shower?

Yo, you smart like dumb.

Yo, you mad sleepy, but you got in the shower first?

Niggas girl can't walk in after a long night out and take a shower.

No, that's crazy.

You can't do that.

No.

That you can't do.

What?

Sorry, buddy.

Sorry.

What's the time, Joe?

Like, what's the time for you?

Oh, I get shocked when she out.

Okay.

I get shocked when she leaves the house.

Oh, shit.

You found something to do, ain't you?

All right.

Wait till you get the jerk.

That's when you get the app.

You get the app.

Jealousy.

You forgot my password.

That's what the friends forgot my password.

You're also stupid.

But she was showing me that on her car, niggas buy cars.

Well, let me not speak for niggas.

I buy cars and just be happy that the car drive.

She buy cars and take advantage of all the functionality

so she pull up some shit that say journey and you can journey tell

freeze.

He's the one

game.

But anyway, she pulled some shit up called Journey.

To show you where you could see everywhere that the car went.

What?

And you feel good?

No, because I'm never going to do that.

I'm not going to use none of the capabilities that come with none of these

show you like smart toilet got a speaker.

I don't know.

I'm just listening to birds.

I ain't gonna hold you.

It took me two years to figure out how to open the back more roof.

My shit got two roofs.

The second one off.

But what I'm saying is she coming to you.

Don't you?

Ben's getting you a little app.

I don't know how to do none of that.

None of that.

Oh, I love the little bench.

None of that.

Freeze.

You know how to use the journey app?

I don't have it for my vehicles.

That's not what I asked you.

Yes.

So you do know how to use that journey app.

Your freeze is a break.

Don't play.

No, no, no, no, no.

You didn't say nothing.

Well, don't insinuate nothing either.

Freeze is not the one.

Don't insinuate nothing either.

Or the two, nigga.

No, no.

Not that.

Oh, nigga.

We suppose it over there.

Hey, yo, girl, when you was at...

You was at.

Where you was at?

So you know what Freeze is like?

You got your nails done down there, huh?

Who that?

Who that?

Who that?

Who that?

Who that?

You was at Patterson, huh?

Who the fuck do you know?

Yeah, what did you do there?

Patterson, girl.

Freeze.

So anyway, hopefully I answered your question, Mark.

When my girl move up here, I'm on my freeze shit.

You got it.

It's a freeze shit.

Time to freeze.

What's the freeze shit?

Freeze.

It's the freeze shit.

Freeze.

No, no, no.

Listen, I'm down.

No, I'm not down.

All right.

Well, I'm going to be on what we assume to be freeze shit.

Yeah, there you go.

There you go.

I'm going to be on that.

There you go.

Yeah, I don't assume that.

I got a real funny story.

I got a funny story.

I'm saving for Podwash.

It was so funny.

I got two.

How crazy is that?

This FUD is.

I got two.

I ain't get to have the beef about it to my girl's face.

We was too busy beefing about all the beefs she had racked up with me.

So

then by the time we finished with all of her beefs, I was too exhausted

to say what the fuck I had a problem with.

So now my shit just in the talk chilling.

And now we break.

You can't bring it up.

No,

exact opposite.

Wait, tell me.

Because, you know, what we talked about, that whole situation up there she was like oh see i ain't i had some shit i could have got off but i forgot because i was busy defending this

but next time you gotta have a nice

but next time though i was like no we ain't gotta do all that we could we good now yeah no i got one in the heat paw if you get freezed because i'm about to ask yo this if you're getting checked on something right and you have to explain explain do you end up are you a one that tune out do you tune out and just let her talk and or do you address every single thing she's saying like say the argument go on for an hour you mean does he actively listen while she's talking

that was a good reframing right there

who actively listened to you

she tunes me out yes

i asked that because even when i tune out though even when i watch joe right joe he addresses a lot of things so i want to know if he does that does he get to does he tie himself out or does he has like, I'm going to address this, I'm going to address that.

If she's accusing you of something, like, say, shout out to come to you with five things.

Are you addressing all five?

Or at one point, do you be like, man, I'm done with this coming up?

I'm addressing anything that my girl got apologizing.

I'm telling you, I want to discuss.

See, but I don't call that addressing shit.

I got a whole list that I keep in the chat that don't never get addressed.

Oh, got you.

So I respond.

I respond to

whatever the beef talk about.

Y'all don't get tired out, nigga.

Ladies can argue for hours, boy.

You'll know when I'm tired because I'll start agreeing.

Oh, God.

You'll know exactly when

you checked out.

You know what?

I understand.

Totally right.

You know what come with that, though?

Now you're just agreeing to shut me up.

Oh, well.

That's true.

Yeah.

And them.

Yeah.

She's going to know.

But you can't say it, though.

She's going to know where I stand on the matter when I do it again in a few weeks.

She's going to know that I didn't fully agree.

I didn't hear.

I didn't really agree with her.

Hell no, listen.

Her troubleshooting methods.

Hey, listen, the other day when Sade was here, right?

What's the wrong with him?

The other day when Shade was here, we was talking, nigga.

And Joe was just talking, he would look that direct.

Joe would look that direction like this.

I got y'all.

If I could just be in that nigga mom for a minute, now he would just look the direction and be like, yo, every time he was saving.

I saw myself going overboard and I'm going overboard.

I thought that was fine.

I was sitting there.

So that's my check and balance.

Yeah, I love that.

Let me look over.

Yeah.

No, you're right.

Yeah.

I said a lot.

I do the same thing with my wife.

She understands that.

Nonverbal communication.

In the name of content, she let me get my shit on.

I'm going to go a little bit.

She let me get my shit on.

Same thing with Linky, I do.

I give her that look.

I don't know.

Now, if I want to go over, boy, I just stare at her, nigga, like, and still say it.

Like, yeah, ah, but it's better to just chill.

That's why it's funny now.

Listen, I wrote down here, fucking, stepdad love is different from real dad love.

Oh, my God.

I wrote it.

Just happened.

Keeno,

you got streaming university over there too?

I wasn't going to touch on nothing from the topic because it's just funny and ignorant.

But like, I really enjoyed.

We did the, like I said, we did the football camp shit.

Yeah.

And he was having a blast up here, like, just on some New York shit.

Let's run around.

I want to see the pod.

I want to, he.

Yeah, he was dope.

He was dope.

He having a blast.

And I'm having a blast, but it's stepdad blast,

which means at some point.

You got to get the fuck.

Yo, Joe, don't do it.

Pescaton.

Like what?

Joe ain't got to go home.

Listen.

Joe, don't

do it.

I love you.

I'm also the dude that folds mom up.

Like,

you

never mind.

That's the conversation you can't actually have.

You can't.

You stupid motherfucker.

No, you didn't.

No, no.

Hey, real dad might not think about nothing like that.

Stepdad, though,

at the end of the ship.

I got something to do now.

All right, wow.

I'm so, that is so immature, right?

But whatever.

I don't get it.

Shout out to step kids.

Shouts to them.

I also had another question I wanted to ask y'all.

What's up?

Because I've been.

Speaking of some nuts.

I got a real, real.

Go ahead, John.

Well, I'm nuts, and I'm right.

I got a real, real, real good homegirl.

I got a real good homegirl.

One of my good, good, good, good,

good platonic homegirls.

And recently, I seen,

recently she made a relationship Instagram.

Like a couple?

Yeah.

Okay.

Now, before she made it,

you know, you could see your good, good girlfriend.

Kind of going off the deep end.

And I'm not saying that like it's a bad thing.

They super in love.

Well, from what I'm seeing.

Yeah, of course.

That's the

output.

So I hit her.

I said, not the relationship, IG.

Hey, girl.

Okay, laugh.

You know, I'm a phony bitch.

And then she said, and TikTok.

And I tapped my girl.

I said, that guy TikTok.

So my question to y'all is, what do you do when you see your good, good,

good friend start a relationship Instagram and TikTok page at the same time?

Exactly what you just did.

I laugh about it with my boyfriend.

So I laugh about it.

And wait for it to end.

That's it.

That nigga set the timer.

You know.

Wait for her to start coaching inspirational quotes in about three months.

Coach Kino.

You got Keno over there.

Take Kenya Ford.

She got straight on the street.

You're going to drop some people.

That's why you just said that.

Melissa Ford.

Keno.

No.

I just said that.

No.

I just said that.

And Mel, no.

What are you doing?

They watched that shit for the last hour.

We were talking and she got up and he was giving tips and shit.

No, he was not.

I was watching.

Mel.

Listen, look.

Mel, you are a piece of shit.

Whoa.

No, for real, because when you go.

No, he, listen, we have a whole plan going on over there right now.

Right?

How do we know?

You cook.

Just now.

The plan is you cook.

It's been cooking.

He's watching.

It's on broil right now just to crisp the top.

I can smell when you're going to have to open the door, too.

No, and that.

Don't lie.

It smells good in here.

You're going to have to open that door is what I'm saying.

Why?

Because it's too smoky up in here.

It's not going to be smoky.

Yes, it is.

We've cooked things here.

Have you cooked before?

Here before.

Oh, shit.

In here, I'll be cooking.

No, I have not cooked in here.

It's fine.

We'll get to it.

What?

It's done?

Thank you.

See, these are all.

Can we see how that shit looks like?

Can we taste it on air?

Absolutely.

Let it just sit for a second.

No, we ain't got to let it sit.

Let it sit for a second.

It's hot as shit.

Are there any while Kino prepares Mel's mac and cheese for us to try on air?

That's crazy, Mel.

I ain't gonna hold you.

Yo, for the last hour, I was wondering what y'all was.

You were giving tips and shit.

I just said I think it's giving streamer university to men.

Listen, I just got a little seasoning.

Wait, you seasoned it?

I saw him pulling something out of the shit.

Lies and treachery will get you nowhere.

Okay, no.

She caught Keno and asked him to come over there.

No!

About to say, yeah, Kino, let her talk.

Let her talk.

Let a woman talk.

Kino has cooked in here before.

Can we all acknowledge that?

No.

Yes, he cooks.

He's cooked in here.

Yeah.

This is my first time you, you know that.

Keto, have you ever cooked in here?

He's never cooked in there.

You and your girl and your kids brought a whole thing.

They brought food over here.

And there was heating up.

I've never used it.

Joe's dad is the only one that cooked it.

Pop.

I have never used this oven before.

Oh, so you can't use mice on the oven.

I have eaten my oven on the oven.

I have never used the oven.

We'll get a chef to come in.

Oh, we got a girl.

Yeah.

Thank you.

Show her how to turn the oven on.

That is a good one.

I'll get a chef to Kobe.

All right, but not another peep out of you till we taste this.

this.

Well, you're fine.

Y'all wanted to.

Pause.

Pause for sure.

Okay.

Yeah,

let's see what's going on.

All right, carry on.

Y'all niggas get lit early.

Y'all, too.

Mark him out.

My niggas is lit.

Are y'all good?

I'm fine.

Look, she's tough.

They're gonna be following the lead ass niggas.

I'm just gonna.

Once Mark got away with it, you said, I mean, don't get myself a drink, girl.

I hope you're professional.

I have a whole nickname up here devoted to that before he got here.

Thank you very much.

Say no more.

All right.

Is there anything else that needs our undivided attention?

No.

Absolute has put something out.

It's more of the battle.

It's dense.

It's good.

It's dense.

I'm going to listen to it, but I'm not rushing to the battle anymore.

Do I have to, like,

you need all your brains to do it?

Okay.

That's what I'm saying.

I mean, this in the middle of the day.

I like Absol, but some of his music, you have to really

complicate it.

Oh, it's great.

You just, you got to sit with it.

I'm just over the battle, at least on this level of attention.

Word.

I'll catch up to it at some point.

If Absol responds, like he did, I want to hear it.

Also, for the

Lox did one of the Red Bull things, like how the shit started.

Ooh, okay.

Curious to see that.

Ooh, that's going to be nice.

Yeah.

For the dock lovers out there, the Pee-Wee Herman dock on Max is

great.

Two parts, both pretty lengthy pause.

But it's really, really, really good.

And I'm learning a lot about Pee-Wee Herman, I didn't know.

Like, I didn't know that that was an adult show before it was a children's show.

I had no idea.

I was a kid.

Oh, I thought you were talking about where you got caught.

They didn't get to that part.

That was an adult show.

I'm at the adult show.

Where I'm at, no.

It was.

It was.

No, he was caught in a theater.

In an adult theater.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, in an adult theater.

I'm talking about

his origin being.

No, not an adult show.

That's what I mean.

But that was funny.

No, it wasn't even really trying to be funny.

It's factual because a lot of people, I think, we've even maybe made jokes up here that imply that he was nasty on some

child porn shit or something like that.

And he was jerking off at a jerk-off off theater like

that was so sad and he was closeted i think like it was it was i know something wrong with me i'd be on the jerk offer side we're all on the jerk offer side here yeah with the pee week little ck

what's homeboy the little the little short uh comedian dude

aziz

i think he was his story was kind of like uh the one we spoke about earlier actually

Okay, I don't think it was a jerk off.

I think it was a blowjob story.

Yeah, it was a blowjob at the crib after date.

Yeah, yeah.

Got it.

Got it.

Your man, Jared Carmichael, is back with a new special on

HBO.

Whoa,

which one?

Not reality show.

Stand-up.

No,

I like it.

Stand-up.

Yeah, a good stand-up.

I don't like the show.

I was like, it wasn't horrible, but I do miss when he wasn't.

It wasn't too much for me.

I missed when he was in the house.

The show definitely was a lot of moments where it was too much.

But there were some parts that were very dope.

And that's why I know when I watched that show, I was like, I'm not as progressive as I think I am.

That was one of the moments where I was like, the content didn't do it for me.

I didn't go back to it.

I loved it.

I saw the genius in it.

I just, by like episode, I think I made it to like three episodes.

I was just like, this ain't for me.

But the stand-up I thought was amazing.

I missed when he was in the closet, like I said.

That's too loud.

Yo, y'all just let that nigga say that.

It way over everybody.

They stepped over all parks just talking with gibberish.

But yeah.

Yeah,

he should go back.

Did you watch it?

Anybody that should go back in the closet to say did you watch it?

Lock the door?

No.

Okay.

But when I went to watch the Peebie Herman shit, his trailer started.

Okay, got it.

The trailer started.

He showed a preview beforehand, and I couldn't find a remote, so I couldn't skip it fast enough.

But I'm saying that to say, it seems like since he has come out,

every single piece of content is about him coming out.

And as somebody that didn't know that about him before, I just thought he did a masterful job of

being a comedian.

Now, every single thing is centered around, I'm gay, my sexuality.

This is when my dad found out I was gay.

This is how it is to be gay and anti-gay, and it's just too much gay since he's been gay.

Maybe

I know it sounds fucked up.

I just get with you somebody.

It could be some intent to it.

Like I'm playing to a certain market, maybe.

I'm sure it's all intentional.

He ain't doing none of it by mistake.

Right.

Have at it.

I'm just not rushing to, you know what I mean?

I'm going to check this new one because he's still,

his stand-up specials have been pretty good.

Well, you a a P-Valley fan.

I am a P-Valley fan, even though I'm done with that show too, though.

And you make cereal pouring the milk first.

Wow, what?

What?

You pour the milk first, then the cereal afternoon.

You drink cup perfectly.

I don't.

I saw him do it.

He was just lying to say I saw you.

I saw him do that.

I didn't even know you could do that.

Yes, you could.

You know, there was a laundry out here.

Yo, why is it such a big insult that you pour your milk first when you make cereal?

Because that ain't how you make cereal.

That's bumpy.

But if you did that before, there's nothing wrong with it.

That's cycle demand.

I ain't do that shit.

That's Cinco de Mayo.

What you talking about?

We're going to put her up front street?

We're going to put her right out here.

Yeah.

Let's go, Corey.

I mean, I made it on.

I prepared it on live.

Fuck it.

We're doing it.

Corey's still doing it like he with his bunky.

Yeah.

Going up to jail shit.

So this nigga ain't served.

Fuck God.

Look how rough he is with the joint.

He don't give a fuck.

He has a bath bat.

We're doing it.

Put the mac and cheese on the bath bat.

Melbattie.

I got a little crisp to it.

I got a little crisp because I did the boils.

My girl just texted me.

How was the Mac?

I had a little video to send to her.

I'm finally getting his Mac and Cheese after three years.

Three here.

Okay, off a quick break.

We all have now tried Mel's Mac and Cheese.

Hey, Mel, why were you trying to coerce him when he kept saying no?

I wasn't trying to exert control.

I just wanted to have a,

you know, I just wanted to get a full panel of

opinions.

Well, we all ate, so we go.

I even tasted a small piece, one, two, three.

That was the third time you've eaten mac and cheese in your whole life.

Yeah, I don't understand that.

I just don't like mac and cheese.

And this didn't change.

I'll say this.

This didn't convert me, but it didn't make me feel any worse.

I thought that it tasted, it tasted, I could definitely taste the noodles.

That's one cheese.

and I detected the cheese.

So

it was definitely mac and cheese.

Thank you.

And again, I haven't had a lot of mac and cheese.

You needed to get like in there.

I was up in there.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

I remember

y'all grow up.

No.

No, no.

I'm talking about mac and cheese and the only mac and cheese.

That's a euphemism.

Oh, is that a mac?

Oh, you know what it is.

I didn't even think about that.

Yeah.

Well, no.

I tasted the dish.

And I thought it did a little bit.

I expected again my memory of mac and cheese might be off I just remembered it having more seasoning yes more what's the word flavor so today is

so today on a hot and bothered I um I do

I'm doing it I'm doing an episode on men's heart health

so I intentionally let the cheese be the saltiness I'd put salt in there and pepper and paprika and yeah but yeah I thought it was pretty good.

Thank you.

Yeah,

I'm a mac and cheese person.

I had low expectations going in.

I know you did.

I had to beat them.

I had

exceeded them.

It exceeded them.

It did.

I was ready to kill it.

It exceeded my expectations.

It did.

I told you, Mel.

I was ready to kill it.

Big Mel.

Thank you.

It was good.

Thank you, guys.

I am winning today.

Yeah, it wasn't bad.

And you know the last time I made mac and cheese?

2016.

Yesterday.

We saw it.

It was on love.

Yeah.

That's That's the second time I made it.

No, not my life.

No, the last time I made it was at Thanksgiving 2016.

More seasoning.

Next time I need a lot more cheese.

Yes.

Like a lot more.

If you saw my live, I was like, I get practically disappeared.

I saw your live.

Don't step on me joking about your shoulder being broke.

That's the joke I'm about to make.

That's why you need a nigga to get that good granny going over there.

Well, keto says that I need an electric one, so you know.

That's why you're just struggling with grading the cheese.

Next time, a lot more cheese and some seasonings, but overall, you exceed my expectations.

Shout out to you, man.

Mine as well.

This tastes like when the cousin on the other side of the family that you don't really fuck with die and you got to go to that funeral.

Nah, no, this feels like when your niece or something shows up with a plate for the first time.

And she health consciousness.

Yeah, yeah.

She wanted to go.

Oh, shit.

She was pretty good.

When you're vegan, niece.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

It's not like the cousin that give you the speech before you eat it.

Like, listen, y'all.

Okay, okay, okay.

I really did not put a lot of salt in this because I want us all to be healthy, but.

Heart health.

Yeah, but it was good.

It was good.

Thank you.

It was like a little bit of a bad thing.

Whoever made this, you can tell they never worked at Waffle House.

You're absolutely right.

I have never held a job at Waffle House.

Cigarette in their mouth, flipping pancakes back there.

With three teeth.

Yeah, yeah.

Motherfucker got 99 waffles cooking in a row, nigga, smoking.

Pan be halfway dirty.

That cigarette ain't falling at all.

And dirty when that pan make it taste better, for sure.

Yeah, whoever made this, this is like when you could tell that they fired the chef at Costco's.

You done?

All right.

Okay, thank you.

I appreciate you all for trying it.

I appreciate it.

I appreciate you for bringing it.

It was good.

Okay.

Thank you.

It was like proud solid.

And I won't leave you alone.

It was like an eight.

Our cake money.

Thank you.

I appreciate that.

An eight or what?

Let's keep it.

Sleepers.

Yay!

Sleepers time.

Woo-hoo.

Don't instigate.

You don't have to treat her like when she first got home.

You're done with Instagram.

Stop the hate campaign.

It wasn't bad.

Eight, though?

Eight is a lot.

Oh, well, he got the mother taste both.

You had like.

He probably tastes flavors in that shit, though.

I had an elbow.

I was saying that.

The cost must.

The cost mouth.

The flavor explosion.

Wow.

Every lie.

Yeah.

He tasted differently than we did, boy.

I love you, sir.

I'm tasting it.

I've tasted so.

What is it?

What is it?

The purple cheese?

You didn't even taste it.

No, I'm talking about my man how he he thinks.

Okay.

How much butter did you use?

A lot.

Yeah.

You saw it.

Yeah, I tasted it.

Yeah, it's butter.

I was making, I made, it was a buttery rubber.

It was a lot of

buttery.

No, it was a lot of butter.

Just not as cheesy or as seasony.

Nah, if it was called mac and butter.

You buy it.

Mac and butter's like cheese.

Then you ate.

That's similar.

They're distant customers.

Hey, sour cream.

They're all similar.

They're all similar.

Sneak is an idiot.

And more sour cream next time.

Or any binder.

So who's up next?

Is lamb chops right is that wasn't that the the next bet

lamb chops yes

what happened yeah y'all seen

i just don't think it'll happen well we didn't think mac and cheese i made mac and cheese happen well parks and kino have both been talking about the lamb chops they keep they word though parks you got it he said he'd give them a grill i just want a grill that's all parks has been saying

done can we make a date for that set a date Two weeks from now, is that work?

Sure.

Two weeks from now, done.

We've done this 99 times.

Do we got sleepers?

I want to do this for people that are eventually going to do it, which I don't know that Parks are, you know, will this way, but they both make a great lamp shop.

I'm surprised they melted it, but well, she said to set it off.

You only mine got to do that spaghetti off now that y'all been talking about.

I'm down for that.

Yeah, y'all been talking.

Let's do that.

I could eat that.

That I'm definitely down for.

You eat spaghetti?

I do.

There we go.

That's it.

All right.

Joey, you're skipping sleepers?

Yeah,

I don't feel like I've earned a sleeper right today.

I'm here for moral support.

Got it.

Okay.

Y'all go ahead and line up here.

All right.

I'm going to play.

Damn, she's just moving right there.

All right, next.

Where was she saying?

No, I was just moving right along.

Watch your fucking right.

You heard it off camera, nigga.

Check me earlier.

Don't let him.

Don't let him.

He's doing good, all right?

Watch your fucking mouth.

I'm not doing anything.

I'm just moving the progression of the show.

There we go.

All right.

Good job with the nasty mac and cheese.

Thank you.

Said it made me.

This is Snoop and Sexy Red, me and OG Snoop off of.

Oh my god.

He's never beaten the family.

I don't care about the allegations.

I like the song.

You like it all.

This shit ain't bad.

You'll throw some money in there.

You'll throw some money.

Yeah, yeah.

It's just me and OG Snoop.

He ain't looking like I'm in that boot.

I'm a blood heel crib.

He says cuz I say snoop.

Slackin' down, kitty muck.

Catching him slippin', wetty muck Sexy red, let's get this bread, come on girl, gon' fuck it up

What's the word?

What we did it?

Let me know what you won't do Tied in with the screase, the crib niggas call me boo

Bang bang, slow play, aka all cash, no talk, stick blast fast

I don't know what the fuck y'all bitch niggas talk

Cause I don't know how the fuck y'all bitch niggas talked up

I'ma hunt it deep with my homeboys and get cause caught.

We fucked up.

It's just me and OG Snoopy.

And I look like I'm in that boot.

I'm a bloodhead crib.

He says, Cause I say.

I be turning niggas on.

Yeah, I get these niggas wet.

When I take a picture of my bag, rolling to my sex.

Rain niggas wanna kick it with no motion.

They think that my name ring hella bells in the streets.

I've been a threat.

Dirty bitches wanna fight me cause they hurt, don't touch their neck.

He know I'm toxic, but he can't leave me alone.

He love my sex.

I was gon' pull up with my driver, but I pulled up in the vet.

If the police get behind me, do the dashing in that stretch.

It's just me and OG Snoop.

He in the lack, I'm in that boot.

I'm a bloodhead crib, peace ain't cause I say so.

Smackin' down, hit him up.

Catch him slipping, wetty muck.

Sexy red, let's get his bread.

Come on, girl, gon' fuck it up.

Shout out to the men and boss.

Boss ladies players club.

Where the money keep dropping

and shit keep popping

That's right y'all

It's just me and OG Snoop here like I'm in that boot I'm a blood heel crib Peace I cuz I sighing down kid him up Catch him slipping ready muck Sexy red Let's get this bread Come on girl gon' fuck it up

And again, that is me and OG Snoop.

Snoop, Sexy Red.

I'm never beating the allegations, nor am I trying to beat the allegations.

Snoop's new album, Is That a Crime in Your Phone and on DSPs right now?

I kind of like that.

I fairly.

That came on a couple hours.

That came on a couple hours.

Yeah.

I'm playing new old music.

It's a Sun Village climax.

You ain't gotta play hard to get.

I know you, I know you like the art of sex.

I'm putting it down, my plan like the architect.

It's for you, uh-huh.

We can all get wet.

I got a lot of nerve talking this to you, right?

I'm straight up, probably should make sense to you.

Girl, you ain't got a front, don't be acting dumb.

And if you got you good, then I want some.

I'm trying to get down, this ain't no lockin' dot.

But I ain't never fucked with a monach fly.

It's free like the stripes on the octanah.

Getting live like we at the market, bro.

I'm getting live like we at the market, bro.

Three is the match number after ask my barkin' uh.

I be serving that ass like a market, uh I wanted to walk with you and walk me up.

I wanted to walk with you, walking ya.

See, these things get sold.

I'm caught up in your game, I'm kinda playing gold.

Maybe it's the way that you sit on it down low.

Saying things to me to one people only know.

I wanna tell you though, that these things seem to me.

Situations keep you from point A to B.

I certainly put a counselor on that mistake I got a vision of two girls on a high beach Everything's reached ain't nobody stopping me They just relax because they know I got a plan for each

polygamist Which one of you queens coming together with this?

Already got one hole in my arm in this.

But I need a couple to add to my list.

Take a position in my world of compassion.

Satisfaction, ecstasy, calling you, calling me.

I know you ain't in perception for longevity.

My name is Batan Rasu I see.

Tantrum Master Sex, two or three.

Ecstasy, calling you, calling me.

I know your hubby ain't giving you no action.

Well for one, he's too damn masculine.

He needs to relax and take some lessons on giving you a climax.

Slum village climax new old music

I needed palate cleanse

I'm going to um

young lady's name is PJ and the song is day one

Look a little different, but you still ain't change.

Like a new house in the ghetto, but you still ain't safe.

My face is still shiny, but you're cute in the face.

And if you do it so good, you gotta do it with grace.

You can say it's cause the levels really, that ain't the case.

I know they gon' judge me for whatever I say.

If I ever change, it won't be money fame.

It's me just wishing up to how they playin' the game.

I know you out there, shorty, want this for me.

One time for me, you say, yeah, that's right.

If you out there grindin' over time and the day and night, then you say, yeah, that's right.

If you take one, nigga, still every judge.

One time for me, you say, yeah, that's right.

I know you out there, shorty.

Want this for me,

one time for me, you say yeah, that's right.

It's Coco, cold, oh

fan, if you do them, if you don't

niggas, how you feelin', how you feelin' like you out of your mind,

your mind.

Coco,

whoa,

fan, if you do them, if you don't

Niggas, how you feelin', how you feelin' like you're out of your mind,

your mind.

Out there, shorty, you want this for me, one time for me, you say yeah, that's right.

If you out there grinding over time and a day and night, you say, yeah, that's right.

If you take one nigga, you still in with your joy.

One time for me, you say, yeah, that's right.

You out there, shorty, bump this for me.

One time for me, you say, yeah, that's right.

When I'm late, reach,

I stay out of the reach.

Oh, I was in the battle space, it looked about the sheets.

Get it out your road,

and you couldn't.

I've lay shot there, something

I'll see.

That is PJ Day One.

I think my man Nason did that beat.

That is dope.

I like that record a lot.

That was fire.

That was fire.

Okay, mine is called Bad Energy.

It's by Aris Ford and Evan featuring V.

Rose.

There we go.

I got it.

I just need you to tell me if you're thriving.

I'm the one for wouting.

And I don't need no bad energy.

I've been patient with myself.

Going through my health.

Learning for myself.

That if you gon' be in my life, taking my time, I'ma need it to be something

worthwhile.

So I gotta thank my cop for giving me some clarity.

And everybody that I bibe with is so good for me.

Don't waste my energy, it's leaning back up from me.

I'll keep it on my PCM.

I just need you to tell me if you're farming.

I'm the one for what it, and I don't need no bad energy.

Cause lately, I've been on a different feeling.

Working for my healing, won't go with my ceiling.

I'm just being real bad, yeah.

If you're not a friend to me, we're not making memories.

Don't need no bad energy.

And if you're killing waves, you gotta go now.

I'm not tryna slow down, playing games, it's over.

I'm just trying to grow now, yeah.

If you're not a friend to me, we're not making memories.

breeze.

I don't need no bad energy, yeah.

I don't need no bad, energy, no cap.

You and I both get a glass, how you seeing your half.

These things matter who you surround yourself with.

Who gon' have your back and turn to crap with?

Okay, that's how you live when you're living by faith.

And these are real ones, gon' get around me.

Know how to praise when I wanna complain.

Who gon' lift me up when I'm falling down?

Like away me out.

I just need you to tell me if you're farming.

I'm the one forout it.

And I don't need no bad energy.

Cause lately I've been on a different feeling.

Working for my healing.

Won't know what's healing.

I'm just being real bad, yeah.

You're not a friend to me.

When I'm making memories, don't need no bad energy.

And if you're killing wings, you gotta go now.

I'm not trying to slow down, playing games, it's all down.

I'm just trying to grow now, yeah.

If you're not a friend to me, we're not making memories.

Don't need no bad energy.

It's Aris Ford and Evan and Aris featuring V-Rose

Bad Energy.

That was dope, too.

Good shit.

Mark, I see you on your backpack bag with me today, too.

Okay.

Oh, shit.

And we're back.

We've got sleepers on the sleepers again.

This is common, they say.

Go ahead.

Shoot the mic.

Into the mic.

Pause.

Yo.

Jump on water.

I hope you got all water.

It's the 20th anniversary of the B album, this is.

So I want to shout that out.

It's a classic album.

It's a legendary album.

I can't believe this is in 20 years.

So I put out They Say a comic feature of Kanye West.

They say what's happening.

We say the vaccine.

They say, they say, they don't know.

I'm the black pill in the matrix of saturated life.

They say life is what you make it.

So I went quick on the spaceship so I can take it.

It's high as the stakes get when paper get low.

I be telling Derek Tell Kara get us to show.

Little calm, I make righteous bitches get low.

The richest man ain't necessarily the nigga with dope.

They say you went wild, yeah, that's what they say.

My niggas couldn't tell if it's me like Janey and Ray.

Bay in the day with focused grind, broads, and good wine.

They say dope is sour, so it's homework and hood crimes.

I stood mine, thought forever and a day, so goodbye.

They never could say

it's happening.

We say the facts, and then they lie.

We coming back with them.

They might say, but they don't know.

They say, they say,

they don't know.

plane crash.

But God will never give me nothing I can't handle.

So please don't ever give me records I can't sample.

So I can vacate where it ain't no channels.

But it's quite okay for a gangster to wear sandals.

They say because of the famous star, I'm somewhere in between a church and a sane asylum.

I guess it's messing with my health then.

And it's burst so crazy when I finish.

I'm just gonna check myself in

again.

We coming back with a they might say,

They say dude, think he righteous.

I write just to free minds from stony to my

lifeless in the world.

Crazy as Mike is on my paper, whether it's me or ISIS.

They say life is a game, so I play card writing for my life.

Cause I'm scared of a day job.

They say Seth kept the hood together.

I tell the young, we can't play the hood forever.

Play my cards fight, they say I went too left.

They show me strange love like I was Mr.

Flake.

Jess in this game of Pawnee Nights.

Now I claim king like Don of great white.

They say my life is comparable to Christ.

The way I sacrificed and resurrected twice.

They say the crochet pants and the sweater was whack.

Seen a corner, now they say that nigga's back.

They say it's happening.

We say the facts and then they lie.

We coming back with them.

They might

As common and Kanye, they say

they did put out 20th anniversary.

I will say that they did not have to bastardize, despite Kanye West's flaws, that album with those weird remixes and shit they put on.

Yeah, some of the remixes I didn't love.

I was like, bro, I know Kanye is a Nazi now or whatever, and I don't fuck with that, but leave his albums the way they were.

Good show, y'all.

Good vibes, good mac and cheese, good energy.

For sure.

That mac and cheese will help the congestion, for sure.

Yeah, I'm about to go shit that shit right off.

It's gonna move quick.

Oh, yeah, for sure.

Yeah, yeah.

I was able to tell.

Yeah.

That mac and cheese is bad.

I'm all the butter, boy.

That shit.

That shit ain't gonna stay long.

It's here for a good time, not a long time.

That's why I ain't gonna get no more.

Yeah.

Yeah, you might want to be careful.

Yeah, you gotta be careful with that.

Talking about, she's trying to look out for black men, some heart conditions.

What about their butter conditions?

With the salt, with the butter, but just buttered it up.

Yeah, we know, girl.

We know, girl.

Oh, man.

What's popping this week?

Anything interesting?

tonight?

That's about it.

Hey.

Should be a good time.

Hopefully going to go see

Tank.

Yeah.

Okay.

At Hell's Kitchen.

His run ends June 1st.

So I want to catch him.

Oh, shit.

Oh, shit.

Yeah.

You better hit him.

I got to catch him, too, before June 1st for sure.

Mm-hmm.

Other than that,

shit may move like she got somewhere to be.

That's May moving.

May is gone.

May left already.

Thank God.

What are you talking about?

She's back.

Way on the U-Haul.

May was moving my ass.

I need to get the ball.

May got me the fuck out of here, boy.

Good.

I can't believe that we be in June.

Man, when you got two kids' birthdays and Mother's Day all in the same month, all within the same week and a half, you got it.

Well, and if you're going to honor all of it, then yeah.

Yeah, I can imagine that hitting hard, then

listen, man.

Keep us in your prayers.

Lord knows we need to be there.

Until the next time, we bid you a due farewell.

Adios Areba Derchie, Osta La Vista, Au R Voir, so long long goodbye or a simple head nod will suffice

Remember life is a series of moments and moments pass

So let's make this one last as if it's all we have

And lastly ego

The baddies are insecure the stagnant women want to travel the closed-minded women want you to teach them things Grab you a Tylenol you might need it Y'all holding down this week.

Hopefully everybody had a really good Memorial Day weekend.

We back to work, we back to the grind, we back on our grizzly.

Again, shout out to all the kids, prepping for prom out there.

Shout out to all the parents out there,

and

all the happy couples out there, and the couples that hate each other, the miserable ones.

We love each and every one of y'all, man.

It's about that time.

Yeah, shut up.

You'll start seeing that.

Yeah, you'll see the signs.

You'll see the signs around the house.

Trust me, my boy.

And that's it, man.

Thoughts and prayers to everybody out there.

Y'all hold it down.

Shout out to the subgroups, the Patronis out there.

We'll be back this weekend, same time, same place.

Hey, wait a minute.

Anybody y'all want to shout out?

Come on, Mel, get the Gracies there 95th millionth shout-out that you negotiated for the side.

Part of the contract.

Part of the contract.

Part of the conversation.

I know, that's right.

Again, shout out to Kai Sinam with the whole streaming university thing.

We love that.

Love it.

We absolutely love that.

Keep killing.

And he kept it.

I like that.

He kept it.

They was trying.

They tried.

My favorite part.

Come on now.

Here goes.

JBP, JBP.

Where would you be without the JBP?

Who is that?

Is Mark the Bar here with pussy?