Episode 826 | "To The Voting Members"

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Yes, sir.

Last looks.

You know what I mean?

Get your last mic checks in.

We are greeting America now.

Huh?

Hello, America.

The world.

Don't just stop there.

That's true.

That's the new pod intro since pods can get golden globes now.

Good morning, world.

There we go.

And universe.

And universe.

I am Joseph A.

Button here with Melissa Savannah Ford, Ray Daniels.

What's good?

What's your real name again, Duke?

Trevor.

Trevor Robinson.

Jr.

Jr.

Trevor Robinson Jr.

Freeze Lamont Jackson.

Mr.

Parks Richardson.

And

y'all mean what y'all think.

That's Golden Globe.

That's

Golden Globe worthy.

Somebody in the back just got to hit us with a

horns and shit.

Do you think that if we go up there, they're going to put the music on

for the speech?

Yes.

Yeah, absolutely.

Because Because all eight of us got to get our shit off.

Well, now, I meant to tell y'all about that.

I was like the...

Did y'all see the award correct?

Do you see the Billboard shit again?

Did y'all?

Did y'all?

Yes.

Did y'all see that award ceremony when the Jackson 5 won and Mike was being cool, letting everybody get their shit off, but then he had to kick Tito or Reggie, whoever that was, to decide like, all right,

enough now.

Somebody will have to sacrifice a speech.

I'll be quick.

Or some time.

I'm going to be real fast with mom, Paul.

All right, not the answer we were looking for, but that's two down.

Yeah, it got out the way first.

All right.

Mel, Flip.

I feel like Flip don't have to do a speech.

He just got to run around and yell.

Yeah.

Take your shirt off.

Oh, come on.

I'll come on with no shirt on.

That's what that was.

See, that's racist on the golden.

That's the problem with you guys.

You guys don't respect growth.

If you think I'm going up there yelling or taking my shirt off, niggas are rebrand.

I'm standing in front making a speech, and the niggas is going to be happy to hear the speech from me.

I'm moving people out the way.

And we're doing it.

I'm for Delft.

And Monessa.

I think you got to do the ODB shit and run up there.

No, I don't do that no more, bro.

I don't do that no more.

Well, and Nyla's music in front of that stage.

Yo, come on.

Shout out to Nyla, man.

Stop playing.

Shout out to Nyla Blackman for watching my name.

Nyla Blackman shit at the Golden Globe stage, Big Flynn.

Y'all thought this sleeper bag was coming in.

What y'all think that Golden Globe bag is in for?

Y'all think it should take a long time?

Mark, it's mark.

It's mark, mark, mark, mark.

This one too.

I'm gonna, I'm gonna keep it uh short and sweet.

What would you say?

I think it should just go up there and be like, um, my man.

I just gotta take my man.

No, God has a great sense of humor, so that'll be the moment that Ish projects his voice

is loud as

our brother ishi with us in spirit, man.

It's May, so y'all know what time it is.

Don't start it.

If you're a long time listener, don't start that shit.

If you're a long time listener, it's May.

You already know what time it is.

I don't have to say nothing.

We're not doing that.

It has nothing to do with May.

People have emergencies and situations that comes up.

Well, and you're not here after the Main.

Why are you highlighting that?

And Mel's not here today after the Maine.

She's not supposed to be here on the Maine.

She's not supposed to be here on the Main, Mark.

Talk your way through.

I like it.

I like it.

I'm showing up.

I thought you were turning over a new leaf.

I swear I was just thinking.

You think she'll call me and text me like a flip-go-looking.

I said it in person.

I know.

I want to text.

Okay.

All right.

I want to document it.

You got a text.

You want to screenshot it and put it on the internet list?

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, don't do that.

Not with her.

Well, listen, Flip and Mel and Ish have prior engagements that supersede the importance of this broadcast.

Why you got to say it like that?

And because I'm so happy for them and proud of them, please fly, Robin, fly.

In the great words of troop,

spread your wings,

fly away.

Okay, thank you.

I accept that.

Thanks.

You know what I mean?

Ty Lil and all that.

Anyway,

shout out to Ty Lil.

We got Ray Daniels in the business.

Make some noise for Ray Daniels.

Yo, I just want to shout out Joe for being always solid.

Some Virgo shit.

I just got to say that.

It's important to say.

My Virgo brother here, man.

Ain't nothing going on, Flip.

Everything is cool.

No, you you just know.

You show me your sleeve and say, I always keep one in the top.

You whispered that to me.

Don't do that.

Why did you do that?

No, you keep antagonizing me, and then when I react, you act like you don't know what's going on.

You and Poe.

When y'all were caught behind the scenes, I saw that last behind-the-scenes shit.

I'll talk to you about that later.

No, I'll talk to him about it because some of that shit shouldn't have gone out.

Like, goddamn.

I'm telling you.

Can I have a team meeting in peace?

Then they kick my back in.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Kicked my back in.

In reversed.

I know.

I know.

Anyway, but you went like this to me.

But why?

I always keep one of this.

But tell the audience why.

Okay, I asked you.

I asked you.

You said, what's Ray doing here?

Yeah, what's Ray doing here and who's coming?

No, first, actually, who's coming?

Like, is it just us?

You said, now, Ray Daniel coming.

I said, oh, you pulling a move?

For the main joint?

Are you pulling the move?

Then you let that sit.

It was silent.

Then I'm just looking around.

I happened to turn to the left.

You said, I always keep.

But what do you think is the move?

You just try to show.

I know what you're trying to do.

But what do you think is the move?

I don't want to divulge.

I just think you're pulling the move, and I respect it.

But, you know.

Because Ray is big dog.

We got big dogs.

Big dog.

We got big.

Let me honestly.

I swear I genuinely hit Joe.

I was like, yo, I'm in town.

I would love to shoot.

He was like, come through Friday.

I sat in my flight.

It was just simple as that.

Ray, there's this thing out there going on where

there's this thing going on where anything when it comes to Joe has to be seen through the most evil perception that you could possibly.

think that is but why did you do this what is why I don't know why that is okay what does this mean right here when you do that to your man this right here yeah

come up with something this lets you know

this means huh my sister turning on

I cannot wait to see how quick the wheels turn come on

this means

no no I didn't need time this is this means that I've been gotten in three car money before in 42nd Street this is how they do it

Okay.

One in the top.

Yeah, I just want to say something.

It's weird because as Joe was talking, he was encouraging y'all to get something.

I swear I was just thinking to myself, y'all lucky y'all don't work for a hater.

Y'all lucky I don't work for somebody that don't want you.

You can work for somebody that don't want to highlight what you're doing on the side, but he's starting to show somebody what you're doing.

And so you lucky you don't work for a hater.

So it's just how you see it.

That's how I see it.

Oh, shit.

He got reinforcements.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

I'm still

hard, but we're gonna still make jumps.

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm with Ice, you know, my family, but I'm like, when I hear it, I'm like, I gotta be honest, like, like, I'm hearing, I'm like, yo, that's fire.

Like, I'm in y'all house, and I see the boss basically telling his people, like, yo, that's good, go, what you need from me.

I'm like, y'all don't work for me.

I completely agree, but we're still gonna make jokes.

Okay, cool.

Let's go.

Let's make jokes.

I just don't want Queen's flip thinking anything.

That's my brother right here.

I've been a fan of his for so long, he don't even understand.

So I just want him to know that's why I'm here.

There you go, do it.

That's how Mark got these niggas too.

Encourage them first.

Put the guard down, right?

Disarm them, right?

Yeah, Hey, Mark Lake the Blueprint.

Y'all in a good mood.

The look on his

great show, Lucien W.

Welcome to our Gload and Globe audience out there.

Just now tuning in on the voting members.

The voting members only.

Yo, crap.

This is history.

The most cars, most guns, most bitches.

And I don't gotta pull a trigger, I just blow bitches.

Niggas love Jada, they hate rappers.

Upstate, they get they weight back, bout to go to K-SAC.

Cause I made niggas believe it's my voice, my flow.

To help your bagged ass get in the league.

Now I gotta suck dick to sell rap.

I'm the cat that'll sit in the tree and shoot the dog in the head.

And I'm just

snatched chili from Usher in the club in Atlanta with no juice.

Know who it is.

Rough riders and terrorist squads.

My lifestyle premix.

Kiss your craps and reminisce.

I wanna live my lifestyle.

Big jersey, big jersey.

Never seen a crackdown.

Don't wait for the ladies, don't wait for the ladies.

Bring it on, and I'ma show you.

I wanna live my lifestyle.

I'ma seen a crackdown.

Wanna warn whip the door, have your backstyle.

Bring it on and I'ma shrewd.

I'ma strengthen.

I'ma strengthen.

Everybody in a vehicle right now, you listening to the best of the world.

You're welcome.

Shout out to everybody I love.

More importantly, shout out to the niggas I hate.

Y'all fuel me.

Y'all give me the energy I need to keep shit going out there.

Fab, what's good?

Brooklyn, what's good?

All the entrepreneurs, all the 95ers out there.

All the executives out there.

Ain't nobody gon' say nothing about me.

What they gonna say?

I hate to get never say nothing about me.

All the teachers, all the poster workers.

Nobody gon' say nothing.

Everybody about to get out of the store.

We got a kid up here.

When the hater talk,

that's a foreign language.

When the money talks,

now that's more my language.

Got a great shoe down there for y'all today.

I promise I do.

I'll let you niggas tell it.

What, what?

But the story always changes.

Shout out to all the same Bruce out there.

All the patrolies.

I'm

a gaslight.

I know them calls foreigners.

I know them girls foreign and kick me.

Them Russian girls so cold.

Modern Spanish mommies, local.

Crazy Africans are problematic.

Y'all won't live my lifestyle.

Can't tell if I should get it plain on ice.

Keep the applause going for the best crew in the world.

Fuckers they talk about.

This is a family show.

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Man, family trying to hit you.

Look at that.

Look at that.

I'm at work.

I'm at work.

Are you at work?

I love you, but I'm at work.

I got to change the world with the power of my voice.

I got to hit you at another time.

I love you.

All right, bro.

My man, my man.

Inshallah, let's go.

Big male in the building.

Got you bitches wiped down.

These drops out the way real quick, man.

We're having a real good time today.

A really, really, really good time, I promise.

Excuse me, sir.

I'm sorry I have to wake.

Are you a doctor?

Mark's like, who is that?

Is Mark the Barhill?

Pussy?

Flip and Mel

and Ray.

Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray.

All right, microphone check.

One, two, one, two.

What episode is this?

826.

Welcome to S.

Parks.

Parks want us to be Pat McAfee so bad.

It's time to get the golden globe, bro.

It's hard.

You're right.

You're right, though.

Them niggas up at McAfee be bugging.

They started, we're going to lock down time like in unison.

Their little unison should be fire.

Yeah, they wow.

What episode?

826.

Welcome to episode 826 of the Joe Button podcast.

Brought to you by a few, by Power By, Prize Picks, Prize Picks, Gang.

Salute, Salute, Salute.

I'm your humble, grateful, gracious, so happy to be here, host.

God is so good.

My God.

Oh, my Lord.

My Lord.

Oh, my.

All praise.

All praise due, first and foremost.

We will discuss a lot of dark news today.

I want to start with a quick sage of the room, a prayer for those inside and outside of these podcast communities.

Indeed.

Everybody out there in the real world struggling with things.

I wish great mental health, physical health, physical strength amongst all of you.

Please, please, spread that.

Spread that.

Text someone you love.

I don't wish success for you all.

I think I'm on the record with that.

You are.

But

for most of y'all, keep rocking.

Put the shit on.

The good folks.

Yeah,

yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Here with some amazing people to my right.

Hey, stop playing with Melissa Ford in the building.

Hey.

The Melissa Ford.

The.

Talk to him.

Capital T, capital H, capital E.

All right, man.

Every time you try to be.

All right, girl.

We got some of the Pat McAfee vibe a little bit.

Yeah, I don't know what the fuck that.

Next to her, like I said, very special guest, my Virgo brother, Ray Daniels, is in the building.

Thanks for having me, Joe.

And what's up, Flip?

Thanks for having me, Joe.

Queens Flip.

Queens get the money.

Queens is in the building.

Big Freeze, Mr.

Tanker Perga himself is here.

Parkinson's here.

Poe is here.

Corey is here.

Ray Daniels' whole squad is over there.

Like he get a plus seven.

But what up to all y'all?

It's three.

It's three, but Erickson is there.

Ian and Keeb, I think, is here.

And whoever else is here, I don't know, and they're an intruder.

How's everybody feeling?

How you doing?

How's your spirit?

Talk to me, talk to me.

What's popping, though?

Everything's great.

Good.

Feeling good.

Good.

Feeling good.

It's amazing.

It's a blessing.

Yeah.

It's been a horrible week to be a black man in entertainment.

Talk about it.

Yes, sir.

And I'm not opening with that because I'm on positive vibes.

Yeah.

It's a lot going on.

I'm on positive vibes.

I'm on peace.

All that good shit.

And it's rat beef.

Yeah.

My favorite shit.

And it's rat beef.

Love it.

Love it.

I'm excited.

So let's see.

Now

let's see.

Because last time we were recording, they did

Joey Badass, Ab Soul, and Big Sean did the Red Bull freestyle.

Which I clicked on it real quick and heard Big Sean getting his normal Big Sean shit off.

He killed that shit.

Yeah.

That's bad for Big Sean because I feel like every time one of these things happen, it's overstadded.

So he gets overshadowed.

Every time.

He doesn't ask for it.

That's, I think, the problem.

He's really dope, but he just doesn't ask for it.

He's just dope and goes away.

Yeah, true.

Part of it is being dope and saying, you ain't say how dope I was?

Like, he don't have that.

Yeah, you're right.

You're right.

But he's incredible as a rapper.

But between this and control, I feel like, like, his verse on control was fire, and no one ever is going to talk about that.

He always has his moment stolen from him.

Yeah.

Like, right as he's about to just

roll out some shit or introduce something or just remind us of why we love Big Sean so much, here come the biggest moment in rap of the year to follow it.

Right.

Yeah.

But everyone bodied.

I like Ab Souls versus a lot.

Me too.

So now,

when I got to hearing the rest of this, I'm going to play it.

Should I play the whole thing?

Maybe not the whole thing, but we can play it.

Yeah, yeah, I'm going to go.

But who should I skip?

Don't make them call me.

I want to go take it.

We can just ride the fader pause.

All right.

It's like six minutes long, I think, or something.

It is kind of long.

Yo, but we on music shit today.

Even if that isolates smell and flip.

It's okay.

We'll do our best to contribute.

Catch up with us.

Don't speak for me.

Okay.

I'll do my best to contribute.

I don't know what the fuck you mean.

You're more hip-hop than that.

Yo.

I tried to include you, motherfucker, but you know.

And you are a lot more hip-hop than him.

Oh, shit.

Oh, you are.

Just by default.

Just literally.

No, you are.

You've never been to no video.

I did see a video of you rapping the other day, though.

No, that was a TV.

TMO commercial.

No, no,

he was on the show rapping.

Yeah.

You were in your

bag.

Yeah.

Are you doing a lot of this?

Oh, y'all clicked on that shit?

Yeah, I clicked on that that.

I did, yeah.

They're not there, man.

Yeah, you're doing one when I rap against Shorty.

I don't remember who you, yeah, yeah.

I just saw you.

They're not, they're not mad.

You did good, though.

Yeah, you did.

Real good.

Who wrote that for you?

Myself.

What you got to say?

Positivity highlighting.

Nothing at all, man.

Yeah.

Nothing at all.

That's two for fire.

Thank you very much.

You partially find it.

So we can.

No, no, we good.

We good.

We're going to talk about this Joey Badass.

Hey, Big Mouth.

She said, You want more?

We're going to get into this Joey Badass shit, bro.

We'll do that in the bonus episode.

Yeah, we'll do that.

To be determined.

Me and you and Math.

What was it?

Potter House.

Shout out to Math, man.

I'm ready to do that.

Hey, we're going to do that on a new Potterhouse episode.

Of course, you shoot at your niggas instead of the niggas that's shooting at you.

Of course, nigga, put your gun away.

I'm here unarmed.

I'm here unarmed, homie.

That was good, bro.

Get him.

Get him, Lynn.

Big flip.

Look, that was good.

You gave me the right hand now.

He gave me the right hand now.

Oh, my man.

Sean Downey, man.

Red Bull Spiral.

I do want to shout out the production team on this.

Who is it, folks?

I don't know who did the beat.

The beat's up, too, but I'm talking about like the content was fire.

I think Lyric did it.

Oh, our girl Lyric.

I'm not positive about that.

Whoever she lived in New York would definitely be the producer of this show.

Damn, that's how you feel, bro.

You see, most niggas crack under pressure, but I'm a natural.

The thing about living by the gun is you shouldn't have to.

A lot of y'all my seeds, I see Jane said that had you.

A lot of y'all confused self-slip, that shouldn't be tattooed.

That's what six cents to score like when you had to.

Plus, they gon' try to discredit you when you flat two.

The drop jams, one diamond, but my favorite is Andy Stone.

My drive back, that bitch on cruise control like Hady Holmes.

Flipping out in this pit, sits in with camera phones.

Know you great when you uncomfortable in your comfort zone.

Oh my God.

I love it.

He bodied that shit.

I love it.

Sean went off.

He did.

And that's how you set a cypher off.

And I loved...

It's very difficult when you're creating this type of content to like have real like kind of organic chemistry and camaraderie between the MCs.

True.

and they did it really really well where they're talking back and forth they're doing like passing the hat back and forth

it didn't feel corny or like they did it 600 times and you know what i mean like had to stitch it together it felt real it felt real

well

that's where my problem lies open it up pause that's right there is

that was amazing

what almost seemed to be choreo if you didn't know no better right yeah like it almost seemed like he left this space in the verse for him to pop up, and they carried that out throughout the whole time.

Uh-huh.

I want to know if they knew who they were rapping with ahead of time.

I'm sure they did.

It's certain flips in the verses.

I wouldn't be surprised if they actually did this in the studio and then did it.

Put it together.

Well, I don't want to talk about how to do it.

Why would Ab school do that?

Why would Ab do that?

Because he's an MC.

This shit wasn't sure what he's doing.

Hell no.

This is some fun shit, yo.

What?

No way.

He even explains that.

But I'm doing that shit again.

He explains in his verse, though.

He says it in his verse.

Yo, I rock with you.

I got the 47 over here.

But I'm still TDE.

I think that he freestyled some of that verse.

He probably freestyled a lot of that verse.

That's how Absol gets to that.

I think he found out on the spot, man.

Fuck what y'all talk about.

I think he found out on the spot that he was getting dissed.

I don't think he knew beforehand that the nigga that been lining us up for the last however many months.

But Joey rapped after him.

Huh?

Joey rapped after him.

So I don't know.

I don't know his verse.

And what I saw, Ab came after him.

No, no.

Ab was the middle.

Ab was the second verse.

So when does he start saying, uh, Joey, you put me in quite a predicament?

He's talking about he's responding to Joey dissing the West Coast back in January when he did the rulers back.

I know, but when was he in his verse?

In his second verse.

It's only it's one of the first.

And he don't let that nigga diss him at the end?

Hell no man.

It's some playful diss it's playful and it's like I'm cool with you niggas and ain't no smoke here.

Hell no.

Are you crazy?

This is smoke.

It's not smoke.

We're rapping.

That's what they all that's the point of this is yo, you could just do this without all that extra shit that we just saw last year.

You can just do this and we can just pin and go back and forth with each other and it's cool.

And dap each other up at the get at the end and everybody go home.

Yes, but I don't think that's as friendly as y'all make it out to be.

Yes, I agree with y'all.

I I don't think that it's on get the guns time.

I think the rappers are rapping, which I'm applauding.

Right?

We want to encourage that.

Absolutely.

I also think it can get tense in a room or amongst clicks when the rappers are rapping.

And I'm the perfect person to probably say that.

I was just about to say that.

Like, I don't rap, so it's hard for me to see in the inside.

He thinks like a rapper also.

So I'm like, I don't even think about it.

There is that thing where if you know somebody has been dissing you for the better part of six to eight months, and now we're at what would the event be today rolling loud or fucking back in the day it was paid dues or rock the bells rock the bells you ain't got an excellent number in your phone yeah

well unless you change it i know these be changing numbers yeah oh you want to call get to the bottom of it

we ain't got to guess

their whole point was yo we we just rapping That's how it felt like.

That was the entire point.

It's almost like they reiterating that throughout the whole shit.

Yo, we just rapping.

But you got to understand,

okay, so it's the same concept.

You could say we just potting, but there could be a result from that potting.

But if I know.

So what I'm saying to you is that if they just like they rapping, and I'm looking at it like you.

So then when Joe goes from the rap perspective, I'm like, oh, but from the inside, you're probably looking like, I still ain't gonna let this nigga eat me alive today.

So I'm gonna rap to eat him alive on the verse.

That's what he said.

So

there is a sense of we're gonna eat each other.

It might not be we're gonna kill each other.

We don't want to see.

Okay,

I'm not from New York, so I don't do pause.

I'm sorry.

Thanks for catching me, though, bro.

Thanks for catching me.

He said, How long is the post?

You did, how long does the pause start?

Start.

No, you're good.

Keep it going.

Keep it going.

I'm from Atlanta.

I'm just not in the room, you feel me?

But yeah.

But that's what I was saying.

So when I heard you, I'm like, damn, that is true.

Like, if you want to eat a nigga alive, I don't want to hurt you, nigga.

But nigga, I want to make sure they know I'm the best when this shit is over with.

I want y'all when they get on Joe Budden Pod and they start talking about who had the best verse, I don't want to be talking about me.

Yeah, for sure.

That's MC.

Niggas are talking about the conversation, but it's

real.

On a regular posse cut, whether there was names said or lines drawn or whatever at all.

But I think what Joe is saying is, like, if you hear that, you in the room, and now you're like, hold on, it's like, it's like how we started here.

Flip is like, what you up, what's it up to?

I'm like, nigga, I just saw Joe.

I was like, I'm in town.

But you could be thinking also, because this is how you, this is what you do.

So, like, everybody gets set up on a pod.

So I feel like it was more that.

Like, I'm just going to bring my best in case one of these niggas bring their best.

And then you probably heard something.

You're like, oh, shit.

That's what we're doing.

And I understand, y'all.

The niggas that's rapping and dissing be around each other, like at the Dreamville Fest and all that.

That's what I'm saying.

I think they talked about this.

Yo, all right, you know, I'm gonna go.

Yeah, we're gonna go to what's up, nigga.

Let's get it.

It's like sports.

I want to see you do good and get your money on it.

But nigga, when I want the chip,

when the chip comes, though, I want the chip, though.

Period.

Great digger.

All right, back to Big Sean.

That quick overshadow Big Sean again.

Yeah, it happened again.

Me and one of them niggas out there.

Shout out to Big Sean.

Hey, Sean, with all due respect, yo.

I know it's gonna hurt their hearts.

Sorry.

Hey,

we're here for something.

Mick Bro.

And it's doing like a darkness, Mick Bro.

Hold on, hold on.

All right.

Yeah.

And your wife, he said I was going to watch.

All right, here we go.

Let's go.

Thank you, Big Show.

We appreciate you.

Hey, man, fuck it.

Let me remove the cash.

My lady told me somebody told me that my career was in the trash.

Something about missing my window was something I wanted to laugh and shatter the glass he was referring to.

Cause he ain't got a clue of what I turn into when I enter the booth.

Neither do I, but I do know that kryptonite is not an issue.

Plus, the cable be navy blue.

You stuck in the lowest lane, it ain't a murderer plane.

And I'm rather faster than Burner's bank.

Anyway, respect the gang and then.

That's nice.

You stuck in the lowest lane?

Yeah, that's what's nice.

And you're paper thin like you never bank.

You don't pay what you wear.

Fuck is you even saying.

Even if you was related to Shabba, you wouldn't make rank.

On my mama, your men and mother just made plank.

We get popped out, I got my back

witch case.

Let's go, Joey.

You put me in a sticky predicament.

I had to show solidarity to my syndicate.

Oh, yo.

Anybody can get it in such a way that

was clip wrong.

But it's still TDE till 3000 and forever.

Light was heavy and rain definitely stacked.

But this is the same thing.

Alright, so that makes that make so that makes it worse for me.

Now that makes it worse for me.

Why?

Because if I'm coming with that as a written already, then I need to go last.

True.

I have to go last.

Oh, okay.

I can feel that.

I can't do this before the nigga, and I ain't heard his verse.

So I can't give him the window to now come behind me and do exactly what Joey Badass did.

I actually agree with you because what he said there sounds like he heard the verse or knew what was coming in the verse.

And that should have kind of been the cleanup at the end.

But

I get why they did Joey because, like, the last verse, that's old school hip-hop shit.

Last verse, Show Steeler.

I was going to ask how they picked the order.

Show Steeler goes last.

Which is paper rock.

Okay.

No.

Show Steeler goes last.

The moment.

Yeah.

Okay.

And the first verse has to be impressive.

It has to sit.

Which it was.

Which it was.

It was.

All three verses were highly impressive.

The funny shit is Sean should have went last.

Nah.

Nah.

Sean should have went last.

With the conversation that is clearly arising.

Sean goes first.

They did this right.

Sean doesn't have enough emotion in his voice to go last, in my opinion.

He's just a really good MC.

But, like, I think that's why I control one because Kendrick can do that.

It's like, Sean doesn't do that.

He just kind of raps.

So

I think because he doesn't give you that extra emotion in his voice in times and verses, it feels like a great first verse.

Like, he feels like he's throwing the alley up, but it don't feel like he dumped that shit.

He's a perfect leadoff hitter.

He's a perfect leado hitter for this.

He's going to get on the hitch.

Girl, eating cherries under the cherry moon.

Well, be clear.

Yeah, till I see a very small The order of the verses don't necessarily matter because Kendrick went second on control.

Kendrick is a fucking Jay Electronica.

Went third.

And we don't remember none of them verses, but yeah, yeah.

So if you do your job right, it don't matter where you go.

Styles matter in fights.

On paper, J-Elect maybe should have gone last on there

on paper.

But then there's real life, which nobody talks about but me because he's fly with hole.

But anyway, it's hip-hop.

You know you still have.

It was healthy for the sport, sticking to the rules, keeping it competitive.

Just be lucky lucky that soul ain't stepping in.

See, nah, that can't go second.

The boat with the ocean dew, you know what I came to do.

Hey, hey, Sean, let me get the hat again.

And that's Nane who her favorite rapper is.

Nah.

He smoked that.

That just shouldn't be second.

He spoke.

Shouldn't be second.

You throwing an alley oop to a nigga to fucking just.

But can we just talk really quick?

Because you said something, third verse.

But in the streaming era, it almost feels like the in-verse now.

Like, I don't want to to go last they might not get to my verse oh yeah

like it's that part too is like it was on the stream because back in the day you wanted the last verse that meant you

know

see what you just said when you was like nobody heard that verse it's like it's like we tune out after a while but this is

with all due respect if there's one place I never want to hear the words streaming error it's in a cypher yeah

this ain't even streaming I was about to say this a little bit

I like your argument but it doesn't apply to this no it wasn't an argument it was just a thought process in it.

I'm like, because when you said the third verse, I'm like, damn, I've been really wanting to tell rappers, bring back the third verse.

I'm telling them.

We say it all the time.

Bring back the third verse.

I'm telling them.

They can't.

Yo, and in a cypher, I'm not going to hold you.

You be happy when the niggas before don't really cook.

But they both cooked to me.

Yeah, they cooked, though.

Yeah, yeah.

I'm just saying, cipher rules in effect.

Oh, yeah.

Now you're looking at it.

I'm not thinking, hey, put the whack niggas behind me because I need to be heard.

I'm thinking, let these niggas go first.

That's going to make my verse sound like Jesus.

Oh, yeah.

All right, Joey.

Let's get to that.

Oh, that's cute, nigga.

BK to Carson.

The bar nigga seemed to caution.

I spit fire with Austin.

Dude.

Yo, when Brooklyn niggas start any verse saying BK, it's a bad time.

You know,

this almost.

Yeah, he's just talking right to Ab Soul.

It almost like, Sean, you won't even hear now.

Yeah.

BK to Carson.

Yeah.

It's like a two-man.

Wow.

I think Ab Soul.

He knew he was coming to compete with him.

He knew he was doing it.

You're right.

Yeah.

I think Ab Sol is a better wordsmith than Joey Badass.

I think Joey Badass has more presence than Ab Sol.

Agreed.

I think that's fair.

Yeah.

I think that's fair.

And this verse, he could.

This might be one of his best verse I ever heard from him.

Well, shit.

And the diss.

I'm about to say no.

Yeah, yeah.

And the diss, he kind of.

I can't wait to hear that.

But I'm the one who absolutely.

The yacht

You can't let nobody do that with your mother.

His word flips?

You can't let nobody do that with that.

Absolutely.

I'm the nigga that absolutely.

Right in front of him, too, nigga.

Salute me.

I've got to snuff somebody now.

You crazy.

Flash for me.

I don't need no one to blasphemy.

Charge it to the game.

Call that shit a catastrophe.

This ruler's back, they've been trying to measure up.

Look, my name ain't Rick, but I talk slick, don't pressure love.

And I ain't taking no words back.

I'm with all that.

This ain't gotta turn to nothing else, let's keep it all rap.

First off, I could never hate the West Coast.

Since niggas coming for Joe, fuck it, then let's go.

Niggas want to forgive God, said on control.

And still a bunch of sensitive rappers in these pajamas clothes.

I guess this ain't no East versus West.

I just think that I'm the best.

As a matter of fact, I know these bars could put bad boys on death row.

Kinda crazy how sugar and puff for jail, though.

Yo,

crazy for bad boys.

Come on, man.

There's a lot of presence in this verse.

Our good brother Dark Lamont Hill just joined us.

Dark man, dark man, dark man.

It's Mark Lamont Hill, pussy, pussy.

I was talking over it.

Play it so you can hear it clearly.

What's up, yes, sir?

Who is that?

It's Mark Lamont Hill, pussy, pussy.

Our brother Mark is just joining us.

Yeah, clap, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Look at what you have, you happy.

Look, yeah, yeah.

His

I'm happy to see my man too.

Anyway, how you doing, Mark?

And Mel, when did you start turning on Mark like that?

What do you mean I'm not turning on Mark?

There's been a lot of little teachers, pets.

There have been a lot of letting the hand.

Since he started turning on her.

I did find that hurtful.

Since he started turning on Melbourne.

Once the drops happened.

It happened the other way around.

Yo, you've been shooting that male guy.

No, Mel shot at me first.

She did?

Yeah.

I might have.

It was the drops.

Why are you conceding conceding the shit that he say?

What do you mean?

Because it's true.

Because I'm honest.

Instead of seeing a woman being accountable, that's amazing.

I was about to give you props.

I'm like, that was accountable.

I don't see women do that.

Oh, you're not.

Sorry.

I was like that.

No, no, no.

Okay.

You know, women usually be like, it wasn't me.

She said,

I was going to look at my girl like, did you hear that?

I'm just saying, like, accountable.

That was amazing.

Don't you see?

Right on time.

This isn't like the broke clock being right twice.

Okay, cool.

Okay, my bad.

Melissa.

I'll call you out when you do it again.

I promise you, if you don't do it again, yeah.

If there's one thing Savannah ain't gonna be, it's accountable.

She's allergic to accountable.

The only thing I know is

that

she don't keep money in accountable,

are you gonna keep talking so I can fucking shoot at him?

I know the fuck you are not talking, mister.

I don't trigger anybody in here on purpose.

Oh, she's showing off again.

I'm not.

Let's go.

I like when you get in this bag.

When company here, you shoot at that because he's not gonna say to it.

I was shooting last episode.

You didn't.

And you're right.

I just want to ask Joe a question.

That is a line that you can get off once you've built your empire.

Okay.

Okay.

Joe, I want to say that.

Just so we're clear here.

How long do I have to be be here before I'm not company?

I don't know.

I feel like you're not.

Are you family now?

I feel like, okay, I'm just...

Okay, so it's just him.

That's the cousin that don't want me.

Okay, cool.

I got it.

And I know who he in the house is.

And just so you know.

I'm going to make you like me.

I'm going to make you like me.

He's also done that with everyone that's gotten hired since he's been here.

Factual.

He's done that.

That's just my bag.

Okay, cool.

I get it.

It's like a hazing thing.

Don't take it first.

Yeah, yeah.

Okay, I got you.

If you can survive the cast hating you for the first seven months of you getting the gig, then you made it.

Then you made it.

Come on.

I promise you, you can never get under my skin, bro.

I love you, bro.

I love you, too.

That's the type of person I be.

You can't bother me.

We responding with love.

I accept that.

I accept that.

Let's get back to the house.

Wait, back to our hate.

Let's go.

Back to hate.

Yo, do I have to play the rest of this?

No.

I don't think so.

I want to get to the shits.

I don't want to, I don't, yeah, I don't want to do that.

Here we go.

Uh-oh.

Boy.

Oh, my God.

Jesus.

Wait, no, no, no, you're out of order.

I'm back.

You're out of order.

Ray first.

You got to go, Ray.

Oh, Ray went first.

Yes, Ray responded to that.

What?

Oh, there are grave mistakes made all over this place.

Yeah.

It's Sean Dye, man.

Bad boy Spyro.

I got it.

Oh, wait.

Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry.

Ray,

hold up.

I got you guys.

He jumped out with that.

Yeah.

Here we go.

Because Joey was on his ass.

Here we go.

Sorry about that.

Throw tomatoes at the DJ booth.

Yeah.

Sorry, somebody bumped the table.

Let's go, Ray.

Okay.

Okay.

This is hard.

Yeah.

Hey, hoe, is you stupid or you dumb?

Popping it to spin about a 20V run.

Hey, hoey, is you finish or you bun?

We don't give a fuck where you from, where you from.

Uh-huh, okay.

What's up?

Shut up.

Uh-huh.

Okay.

What's up?

Shut up.

He took me out the other way.

No, no, that's just a hook.

He gets it.

But he shouldn't have did that right there.

I agree.

I agree.

Because my first listen, I'm like, this ain't going to do it.

Yeah.

See?

But he made up for that.

No, the bars are dope in there.

I am going to press play, but I've never heard this.

So this is a, I'm listening and critiquing it in real time.

It does sound like he's trying to catch one.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

And I don't know how long you...

It sounds like he's mimicking Not Like Us.

Yeah.

Trying to catch that.

It's more like, hey, now, say now.

Yeah, people.

Hey, now, say now.

on.

But I'm just saying that West Coast bopp this record over that.

Hey, West Coast niggas, how long do y'all want this to run?

That's me asking a valid question.

Y'all can't all.

I like the West Coast run right now, but I love it too.

They don't need to start doing this, though.

I want, yeah, that's what I'm saying.

This is two derivatives.

This is diluting of six months ago.

Not even six months ago.

But now, and I'm sure Ray Vaughn about to get his ass on the street.

I'm sure you're gonna be able to

see the numbers like math tests run.

Joey, run, we're

This is a tough style to beat, though.

I told all that shit, but this is a tough style to beat.

Like when you have your region behind you this way, like and you got to deal with that,

there's a way to beat it.

You do exactly what he did.

You go get your region and you rap the way that you're supposed to rap from over here.

And that's why I was thinking when you said, how long is it going to last?

I've been encouraging.

I've been,

every time I go, I watch, if you're from the West Coast,

take this Kendrick moment and create the sound because that's what T.I.

did for Southern music.

I was going to say,

just the West Coast.

I think regionalism and hip-hop is amazing.

And I like to bring it back.

I agree with that.

Exactly.

Catch him at the Staple Center.

Bet you on a spark.

Goofy, don't let power get your TV turned off.

Nigga, white.

You been wearing ten steps on top in 60 trash bands just for you to put them raps in.

The doctor got you sounded like you in a jazz band.

Why you going after daddy think he paced me?

CJ like 40 and he owned drugs.

Yeah, yeah.

You gotta admit, when West Coast niggas get on that beat, they shine, man.

There's something about that beat, and when they

just really work exactly

when they do that, use it.

Yeah, exactly.

He's going off.

That was hard.

He ain't done.

Yeah, you going after dotted think he packed, man.

Get your own bus.

Skelly tensions out of my closet playing boom thugs.

I put the whole pro era on a pro club.

Hey, hoey, is you stupid or you bump?

Popping it and spooning about a 20v1.

Hey, hoey, is is you finished or you bun?

We don't give a fuck where you from, where you from.

Uh-huh.

Okay.

What's up?

Shut up.

Uh-huh.

All that shit is hard, though.

It's hard.

I see why he put a hook on it.

He should have repeated it.

And when he did it the first time, I was following, but he should have went somewhere else, but he repeated it twice.

That felt lazy to me.

Like, oh, you could have.

You put the trick daddy and you should have just went somewhere else, but you stayed there.

I think you should have stayed on the trick daddy longer, really.

The niggas in that studio wouldn't allow him to not put that again.

Fly that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Fly that.

That's hard.

Are you part of the hoe?

You see the energy in this studio right now?

He's rapping like that to beat his date to nigga.

Yo, fly that.

And this cannot go out with his bars.

Yeah.

Yeah.

God damn.

That's the hard part.

The hoey part, I don't really like that.

I don't like that he did it.

Your daddy shit was hard, though.

Hey, what's up?

Shut up.

Niggas won't smoke.

I'm a vapelord.

Walk around with nine on me.

Feel like I'm in great horror.

I can send him to the stars.

He can pay for it.

Standing next to soul ain't gonna save yours.

All right, Ray Vaughn.

All right, Ray Vaughn.

That was

going crazy.

All right,

it's fire.

Standing next to Soul ain't gonna save yours.

My favorite line in that shit you didn't even get to.

He said, You washed, you ain't carrying no torch.

You let Ice Spice turn into the King of New York.

Man, like he's playing them.

Ray Vaughn just trying to be funny.

Ice Spice is not the King of New York.

But he's trying to be funny, yeah.

Exactly.

Ice said to be the most famous New York.

I'm just, I'm still.

And for that two months that it looked like she was about to be, Lotto went and rented 50 suburbans.

Oh, he did right off the road.

And drove right over there.

We never heard another word.

It was a rap.

Yeah.

Sorry.

And shout out to Ice Spice, but sorry.

Oh, we talking about it.

We don't give a fuck about where you was or where you were.

See, the fans only know you for the acts, not the raps.

I know where you was, and he was never on the map.

One eye open, I'm the future round.

My old heads ain't try to school you.

Let me do the

broadcast.

I ain't never been in trouble.

Don't float with nobody.

I was writing for your baby mama.

Get out this.

Stop acting.

Get active.

Game traction.

Yeah, that should have been

on the screen, right?

Whopper.

Quick to turn a nigga to a rollout.

Heard they move the goalposts every time we show out.

That's a line combo.

It really is a blowout.

That didn't respond.

Now you try to call Cole out.

Okay, I'm not gonna lie to you.

He went the fuck off.

He did.

There we go.

He did.

I cannot tell a story.

There we go.

He absolutely went the fuck off.

And this beat is beating and is doing some A-rab shit.

Well, the part the part 24 hours later.

Yeah, real quick.

Real quick.

I think it got to be emphasis on that, yo.

Yeah, it do.

Yeah.

Dog, to do, that ain't easy.

It ain't like I had this in the talk just sitting here.

I heard you.

The one he had it in the tuck.

But I heard you.

No, I didn't hear you.

I heard you.

My man called me.

My man called me.

I didn't hear nothing.

My man called me as soon as that shoot was over.

My whole camp knew

as soon as that red bull camera stopped that you was on bullshit.

It gave these niggas time.

And he's fast.

He did this last time.

I appreciate it.

He popped out.

He did.

Yeah, he did.

I appreciate it.

I'm just saying, I appreciate it.

I'm with you.

I'm with you, Freeze.

This is ridiculous.

Off.

No.

By the way, when a nigga from the West Coast rap on that beat, it becomes like, yo, I'm telling you, they should use that style.

I would stay there.

I would stay there.

I'm with you.

If you're nice, you should do it.

Yeah, he took off.

He took off.

You know,

for that energy, I get your wings once I ran pool.

Sorry, she was weak.

Pardon me, pardon me.

It made a whole EP cop in please.

I've been what black man, let him breathe, let him breathe.

Nah, fuck that.

Hang on from the popular trees.

He had y'all y'all food like he do it for the sport.

Snoop dog, kicking Nora's little foot.

Okay.

Bitch, you watch, you ain't carrying no torch.

You that ice spice turned into the king of New York.

What the fuck need acting?

Stop acting.

That's hard.

Okay.

Yeah, he got paid by it.

Salute to Ray, man.

He went crazy.

Both rich.

He absolutely took off.

Okay.

And then, and then, and 24 hours, 4 hours later,

the finals.

The finals.

I like this beef.

I ain't gonna lie.

It's a fun beef.

This is a cool, cool, fun,

friendly, competitive

beef to show a skill set.

With rapping motherfuckers, too.

Yes.

Because of the beef, everybody's listening now.

So now your skills are really being shined.

It's like, yo, it's crazy.

It's good for hip-hop.

Before I play Joey's response, where does everybody here stand on

Lil Browen, your opponent, who might be a greater MC?

Where do you stand on, hey, this nigga never had a song.

We don't know him.

He's not visible.

He got no traction.

He got no bitches.

His label don't care about him.

I made more money for his label than he did.

That's what I told Saigon.

I ended Saigon.

Saigon, what up?

I absolutely finished Saigon.

Saigon is my man, but he got finished.

He's on my hit list.

What up, though?

No, but no,

I pieced it up with all my beats.

Yo, it's rap shit.

It's just rap shit.

It's just rap shit.

You got me.

That's all it is.

I mean, it may not have been just rap shit at the time, but at 45 years years old, I've pieced up all my rap music.

And I asked y'all this because I heard a lot of that from what Joey had to say.

I'll play it for you guys, but where do y'all stand on that angle?

I ain't mad at it.

I love that angle.

I'm mad at it.

I'm mad at it.

He's got 10 years on Ray.

So I think he should lean into that.

Sound like New York.

Yeah.

That's what's playing the region game.

You got to play with your home court advantage.

Sound like New York.

I'm bad.

Uh-oh,

New York atroke.

What kind of top dog is you?

You more shit shit.

You're a man in the lab, dog.

You artificial.

You known for your label, not because you're artificial.

And I ain't gotta talk about how broke you artifix you.

Cause when I sit shots at you, it be hard to miss you.

And gotta load a magazine just to press this issue.

In fact, these ain't even shots, they miss you.

Trying to outclass a badass, so I gotta dismiss you.

You all bark, no bite, but hit dogs going high.

I let him rock while I charge up the top dollar.

You the next nigga getting dropped off the top roster, and I'ma be the reason.

Okay, fit your shit, y'all lipping for beef with a season.

Yeah, come on, that he's playing, he's playing with them niggas now.

Yo, you're gonna be the next one.

I love that shit, bro.

He's playing now.

Yeah, let's rap.

Go ahead, let's rap.

See, I don't care how great of a rapper you are.

If I get the little bro you for the next three minutes, it's effective.

Yes,

it's effective.

It is.

Especially if some of that shit I'm saying could be looked at as a little factual.

Right, for sure.

Like, I ain't just making this shit up.

No, it's fair to say that it's factual.

Like, Ray is just, he just came up.

He just came up.

You You can say, Joey's been here 10 years.

He can say that.

But when he's saying, sign up for five years,

I'm your biggest, like,

but look at that, but look at it from a sport place.

If you started here, right, and we all started as rappers, and now you go off and be a supermodel, famous girlfriend, you and Gucci commercials.

The MC, the hungry nigga on the floor, is like, oh, this nigga is slipping.

So it's almost like, I'm going to attack the nigga who I don't think is.

Pinnot sharp no more.

Yeah.

So, and by the way, because he knows he ain't in game shape, he has to respond.

Right.

And that's kind of like, that's how it works.

Yeah, it's the play.

It's a a play for both sides, both women.

But by the way, this is good for Joey because now he can show, nigga, don't think some of these commercials that I don't do this.

So it's really great for both sides.

Why is Joey doing it?

We just seen him beat a nigga up at the Pelle Pelly store.

Right?

We just seen Joey badass at the motherfucking Averack store tightening some screws up.

You on TV.

You in love.

Get into it, man.

Fuck it.

That nigga's skin is still beautiful,

Sometimes you just got to remind niggas.

Yeah.

It's a lot of motherfuckers that I don't think are familiar with how well Joey Badger is.

It's hard to remind someone when you're not provoked.

Because then it's like you're being a bully.

So it's almost like you needed somebody.

You need somebody to shoot, and then you shoot back.

Okay, okay, okay.

Let's get down to fighting.

I think Joey also, everyone always thought that he could rap well and stuff like that, but he was never known as, like, oh, he's a killer, he's super nice.

This is his chance to show that.

And be clear, Joey popped this off.

So

now

it's not like I'm just I popped it off and I went and head over here.

I'm answering the call.

Anybody got something?

Oh, you got something to say?

Cool.

I got one for you.

They like, I heard you.

I got something for you, too.

You got to remember Joey too.

He was like a bad,

he was like a child star damn near.

He was young as hell when he came out.

He was a teenager.

So this is his chance to show y'all a fucking grown killer.

Because I thought he was way older.

I love he is.

When I saw him in the magazine, I'm like, how is he this young?

He's been out since he was a kid.

Yeah, he was a teenager when the 1999 drop.

And you know what I will say that I like about 2025 and forward?

I like that there's a new crop trying to establish themselves as the killers.

The blue bulls.

Like, yeah,

same hills.

Like, the niggas that we know

are grandfathered and great-grandfathered, and they shouldn't even be spoken about.

This new crop of niggas, who kill and who don't?

Who's here for just the cosmetics of this?

And who really is about that action?

I like Joey saying, yeah, I'm here.

I'm with it.

I like it.

I like it.

Although, I did like hearing Styles Pete pop his shit the other day.

That was a motherfucker.

I love that, bro.

I like hearing from OG's finally.

He said Jim straight.

Hey, Jim, Jim is my mate.

Set him straight.

You heard it?

Points were made.

No gentleman, like, just like a gentleman, though.

That's what I love.

No, we're not the same.

You don't think that, dude?

You know what I mean?

That was like, oh, he did it in such a nice way.

You couldn't even be offended by it.

It was like, oh, oh, that's true.

It was like

it had to be true.

But that's going to be the old age.

That beef is never going to leave.

I have more commercial success than you versus IMC, and you don't.

Yeah,

that's going to outlive all of us.

I like it.

Style said that's your straight though.

He was like, yo, dog.

I've forgotten more rhymes.

He started talking about you can't fuck with them niggas that just been juicing.

Juicing and bars cannot fuck with versus gym pull-ups.

We got a healthy badass.

loaded lux to mediate that shit.

Alright, back to your badass.

Every time Joey drop, you see he eats.

I did more for you than the whole of TDE.

It's too bad, nigga, you should have been signed to me.

Somebody telltop we bout to start TD East.

Funny how they gotta use the pro name for promo.

On the logo, I really think you niggas is homo.

And what you let dot dick sit in your mouth.

And he got two minutes and 19 seconds.

Yeah, we all got the whole game.

He's not going to stop.

Yeah.

He's not going to stop.

This is fun.

I love it.

Reason's got involved now, too.

I ain't heard it.

So we'll maybe cover that next week's channel.

And Reason, man.

man, yo, and it ain't a jump.

It is a jump.

It's a jump.

Well, no, it's not a jump.

He's addressed.

He said my name, too, if I'm reasoning.

Yeah, Daylight can hop in this suit, Paul.

Daylight, he was in that cypher.

He was shooting at Daylight.

Daylight, I don't like what Daylight did.

I didn't see what Daylight did.

He posted a picture of Joey Badass' brother on his Instagram.

Rest in peace.

That's last two years.

But this is rap.

Like, nobody's disrespected nobody.

It was strictly rap.

And you ain't responded with no bars or nothing.

You just put a picture of his brother.

Well, he has responded, but not to the cypher.

Daily's done a lot of rapping in Joey Badass in the last.

Yo, y'all having too much fun to do shit that'll get you punched in the face.

Yeah, don't do the serious shit.

Let's be cool.

We want everybody to be able to walk the red carpet at the award show at the same time.

And I'm going to invite all y'all when we get our golden globe.

That's true.

No shit.

When we get our golden globe, come on, y'all.

Y'all got to know that.

Come on.

I ain't going to do y'all like Melissa Savannah Ford, win a Gracie Award, fly out to Atlanta to accept, or LA, I'm sorry, to accept a Gracie Award and not invite her brothers.

Yeah, that was cool.

Wait, there was a ceremony?

Yeah, Mel won't be here for our Patreon march.

She's leaving.

She's leaving on the first thing smoking because she has to prepare to accept her Gracie award.

Do you want to start your speech now?

Wow.

And then tell, like, we wouldn't support her.

I haven't written it.

I haven't written my speech yet.

Are we going to be in it?

Wow.

Wow.

Maybe there's a possibility.

I hadn't thought of it.

I hadn't crossed her arms.

Daisy may

no, for sure.

Daisy's not going to be in the speech.

We might not make the speech.

I'm going to do my best to work.

We work out.

We're not going to make the speech.

Why don't they just tell us so we can support you, though?

Yeah.

Because I just...

Listen, I was given one ticket.

We get our own tickets.

We get our own tickets.

I just didn't think that you guys would make the trek to L.A.

and spend the LA.

I love L.A.

The several hundred dollars on the ticket.

I've spent several hundred dollars on bullshit.

It's a fact, true.

I spent several hundred dollars on the Big Titty AI white girl

a couple months ago, nigga.

What are you talking about?

You think I'm going to give it to you?

I mean, I think I'm going to use it to support you.

I stand corrected.

I stand corrected.

Shirts made.

I stand correctly.

Hot and bothered hoodies.

There's still some time.

There's still some time.

I'm over it.

Not now.

All right.

Next year.

You said he only gave you one.

Why you ain't telling me I'm not coming if I'm not going to be.

The team ain't coming.

Oh, Oh, yeah, no, no, no.

That was not going to happen.

And I want to go.

I'm absolutely going.

I wanted to go when

you won.

Like, I don't want to go next year.

I'm going to win next year.

What award is it?

It's called the Gracie Award.

Okay.

Yeah, it awards women in media.

It's their 50th anniversary this year.

Oh, you should have it.

Yeah, definitely.

If you're doing some personal stuff, I would have been like, y'all, I'm definitely going to win.

This is the first of many.

So y'all are.

You're going to be a back-to-back Gracie award winner.

You think it's going to be a season of Potten Bollard?

I absolutely do.

Okay.

yeah, I've also like put into the universe that I'm gonna have an NAACP.

Wait, what did you say?

Some shady.

What did you say, Mark?

What?

I was just trying to follow the flow of the conversation.

I just woke up.

I'm sorry.

It was the honest question.

It was a sincere question.

You said you get an NAACP award, too?

I'm manifesting that.

Hold on.

I thought you met you.

No, I'm manifesting.

Have you ever met Barrick Horn?

I have not.

Yo, wait.

Hold on.

I'm going crazy.

Okay.

Okay, enough.

Shout out to Mr.

Farrakhan.

Enough.

What I will say is this.

I want that same grace extended if I shoot at you because the grace that you extended, because he's a doctor, because he got a PhD, is getting ridiculous, and I'm going to stop it.

You're shooting at me.

I don't give up.

I'm not going to be here.

So what?

Stop.

Enough.

If you're new out there, we always act up in front of company.

We do.

That's when we really.

In front of the family.

That's when we're in the family.

I graduated.

Back for the family.

family.

Back for the family.

We can fight.

It's a family.

It's a family that could walk to the fridge, but don't exactly know where everything is.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Shout out to you.

Like your first time.

Predictions on how this

Joey

Gravehorn shit is going to go for real.

It seems like it's going to keep going.

Yeah, more rapping.

Yeah.

Who do y'all have up right now?

Joey.

Joey.

Although that race shit was hard.

I can't lie.

Only I'm going to say Joey, I mean, Ray, is because I think he benefits way more from this moment than Joey does.

He's got a great life.

Like, literally, he's like, he really killed that shit.

Like, that was crazy.

He did.

He did.

But just in terms of the bars, like, right now, I got Joey up.

Home Court Advantage.

We in New York.

We posted.

And that Ray Vaughn album is incredible.

It really is.

Yeah.

It is.

I went back to take a listen.

I ain't going to hold you.

He might, he might,

I like where he stands just off the strength of that.

Like, if you got a great product that you could direct people to,

it's a great time to go get in the middle of a beef.

Word, especially with somebody that's going to keep it going with you, right?

Yeah, he ain't going to ignore you and none of that.

And then young niggas could join, like you said.

So, like, if it could be a little nigga, it's an opportunity.

That's how it was back in the 2000s when everybody was beefing.

You would see a nigga.

Somebody go at hove.

You see a nigga that wants to show Hovey with him.

He's shooting back.

It's like that's the way it works.

They had to play like that with me back in the day, just to make myself clear.

Because, yo, you had a hit.

They didn't make.

Nah, that ain't why.

That ain't why.

I jumped on these boys' asses out there, Paul.

I jumped away.

I didn't leave no room for

indirect, direct.

You, your camp, your mans, everybody got it.

Joe responded to shit that he thought was about.

Yeah, but

hit me out.

They weren't talking about you, dog.

Hit me out though.

But when you're a little nigga, you see one of your, it's different.

Joe, I'm telling you, he hit, he had a hit.

So now is he dissing us, you up there, nigga.

God damn.

So it becomes more valuable that this becomes more worthy because now it's like, this nigga has already got a hit.

By the way, everybody's trying to get a hit.

So he had it.

So he didn't have to, and you still did it.

That's what made it more diabolical.

I think I ain't played with you back anyway.

You had the hit, nigga.

You're like, you got the dad.

Why are you fucking with us?

Um, but I like the synergy, I like the synergy and hip hop.

I love it, me too.

I do, me too.

Shout out to the old team, keep it cool, man.

Keep it cool, and it sounds like they all want to keep it cool.

That's the best part.

I agree.

They know we're talking about it.

That's what they get.

This is number one hip-hop podcast talking about them.

They won.

That's the whole point of it.

Not just hip-hop.

Shout out to the Golden Globes.

They're number one.

I'm sorry for disrespecting my fans.

There we go.

All good.

Or 49, depending on what chart you look at.

Yo,

I want to shout the producers, though.

Both of them beats.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yo, you have no idea how frustrating it is when you're in the middle of a war with somebody and you go to producers for the beat packs and nothing is matching your vibe.

Yep.

So for them to have beats in the tuck,

love it.

Absolutely love it.

Okay.

Joe, can I ask your question?

Sure, you can.

I got here late.

I know that you have been home.

You don't trick me no more, buddy.

I know you're trying to line me up with whatever you saying right now.

I am absolutely not.

This is an honest question?

No, but it's not.

The lineup's coming later.

Okay.

Yeah.

This is a basketball question.

Did you start, I came here late.

Did you start the show

with a whole bit?

Nope.

No.

Nothing.

No.

Nothing.

Nothing.

Y'all let that go?

Y'all let that run?

Yeah, we did.

So can we at least address the elephant in the room?

Because we had to sit through like 30 minutes of shut the fuck up.

Everybody mute up.

All that shit.

Can you please speak to your punk-ass New York Knicks right now?

Ray is also a Knicks fan.

Oh, God.

I know who he's going.

Everybody who shit the bench should shut the fuck up right now.

Everybody whose team had a chance to go to the Eastern Finals and didn't do shit should shut the fuck up right now.

Everybody who watched Jason Tatum injured and the Boston Celtics completely hobbled and all they had to do was beat a terrible ass broke ass team and go to the Eastern Finals but didn't do shit should shut the fuck up right now.

That's what should happen right now.

Is that right, Joe Button?

Is that right, Joe Button?

Joe Button.

It's marked on my hill, pussy.

Exactly.

What's that nigga name?

That red point for the Celtics?

He don't even start.

Bob Koozy.

Might as well have been Bob Koozy running around y'all bitch asses.

Y'all gave 34 to a nigga that had four last game.

How the fuck that happened, Joe Button?

How the fuck that happened, Joe Button?

Well, Mike Check, Mike.

What happened to Nixon five?

What happened to Nixon five?

You said Nixon five.

Dude, do you know?

You said Nixon five.

This nigga checking me up.

No, no, this nigga, we want to end it in six, nigga.

Now, we want to fuck as we.

We want to end it at home, nigga.

Watch your mouth.

How you going to end it at home, nigga?

How you going to end it at home when this nigga's going to the game?

He's not, though.

He's not.

He's not.

Oh.

the Fat Joe said word.

Mike check what you said.

Watch your fucking mouth, dog.

You can't even sit in the button seats.

No,

let's get it.

I'm working on Friday.

Let's talk.

Let's talk.

We want to end it at home.

That's all I know.

Oh, you're in the capital, nigga.

New York.

We want to end it on the field 25 years, niggas been.

And we're landing it tonight.

Nick is six.

Period.

Why that nigga told you to get a doctor, nigga?

He from Philly, nigga.

He from Philly.

The houses and the kids, nigga.

We got cracks.

We got cracks.

Leak more, I love you, nigga.

But they still got the train tracks in the streets, nigga.

And the horses.

We passed that.

You got the horses out there.

Please, nigga.

New York, Madden, Brooklyn, Staten Island.

Talk to this nigga, Joe.

He can't say shit.

Tonight, the game will be played.

Tonight, the game be playing.

Mike check, Mike, check.

One, two, one, two.

Pardon me, pardon me, pardon me.

Don't be.

Don't be distracted by the voices of fans of lottery teams.

You guys should be out scouting high schools and colleges right now.

Y'all have the third pick, and you ruined all your other picks.

Shout out to Days Bailey.

Yo, real quick.

I'm a Knick fan for a long time, so I'm not going to manipulate the airwaves and jinx my squad.

I want to continue to have a healthy respect for our opponent.

But we haven't closed out a series

in the garden

in 25 years.

And with this golden opportunity up 3-2.

Against the defending champions.

Oh, now they're the defending champions.

They are.

Aren't they?

When he was kicking the ass that week,

they was the worst team ever.

We beat the defending championship.

Pardon me, pardon me, pardon me.

Forgive me, sir.

I'll mute up.

Now that we have a chance to close out the defending champions

right there on 7th Avenue in front of all of the great Knicks, in front of the Dolans, the Kardashians, the Joes.

Mojoes.

The Joes.

You know what I mean?

We won't be able to see the game by the time this comes out, but I anticipate that we close out.

Right now, Chris Das Porzingis should be getting some steroid shots or something to help him with his breathing.

I know he's had trouble.

We want him to be well.

Tatum is our brother.

He had the surgery.

We want him to be well.

If you Celtic fans are hanging your hat on the Lou Cornette game.

Where he had eight blocks and eight points and eight assists or the Derek White game.

34, right?

34.

Then we'll see.

I like our chances.

I think the Knicks are the better team and I do anticipate we close out the defending champions tonight.

What happened to all that Nixon 5 shit that

the question

is what happened with all that?

You talked all that shit.

Y'all supposed to go in Boston Beast.

How'd y'all shit the bed this bad?

Sleepy.

Sleepy.

Sleepy.

So much traveling with the playoff schedule being every other day.

Right.

Sleepy, tired.

Some niggas was fighting with their girls.

Some niggas' girls went through their iPad and shit.

You know what I mean?

Before the iPad, niggas.

You never know.

Some people just sleepy, but I think we'll be fine.

I think we'll be fine.

Hey, Mark,

we Sixes fans.

You know that, though, right?

I know, but

sometimes we got to shut the fuck up.

I took it last game.

No, we still got to shut the shit up.

We still got to go.

So if they lose again, you still ain't going to talk shit?

We can't talk shit.

If they get eliminated, you're going to talk shit?

To who?

We ain't get there.

See, that don't mean nothing to me.

I'm good.

You're going to talk his shit.

Only because he is.

I chalked it.

I ain't lost the best team this year.

I took the L, but now you can't talk this crazy about the Knicks and then they shit the bed.

You don't say nothing.

And the Subway Series starts in New York this week, and New York should be absolutely on fire this week.

Yes, to be honest with you.

Oh, my God.

And the Jersey Transit.

And the Transit strike.

Oh, my God.

They whooped my ass on the way in here today.

Really?

Wow.

Traffic was horrible.

Yeah.

Horrible.

That's why traffic was so crazy.

I was in Brooklyn.

I was talking about it.

That explains it.

That driving shit.

Now, there's a rumor that you're not going to the game?

No.

I thought you bought

Game 6 tickets.

I did.

What happened, sir?

Giving them to his dad.

Can you share with the crowd or is that private?

I mean, right just jump his ass if he's gone.

I was about to say there's one thing, so you can't.

He's jumping his ass if he went to that game and they lose.

He's not going to make it out.

Yeah, you might be the least popular Nick fan ever if they lose.

Yeah.

You got to stay home.

Yeah, yeah.

Gave the tickets to my dad and his wife.

Oh, I like that.

That's dope.

I mean,

let them them experience

the rocks.

Rocks, Lizzies, and stuff.

Playoff atmosphere in the garden.

I mean, shout out to you.

Good man.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Smart.

Yeah, yeah.

Somebody here got to keep in touch with their dad.

And someone who's rooting for the next.

Oh, thank you.

Somebody on this broadcast got to keep a healthy relationship with their father.

Well, hold on.

So,

all right.

Hit them on J-Pay.

We good.

He said, Chase.

If you do those Chase,

go do that, man.

Low Pops.

Free Pops.

Free Pops.

Free Pop of Ice, nigga.

Free Pop of Ice.

Free Pops is straight.

All right, it's time for my favorite part of the show.

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I don't want people to think we're stepping on the jokes.

Yes.

Let all the jokes fly.

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Give me Joker for everything, however you want to do it.

Whether that's points, whether it has points, rebounds, assists, give me Joker and SGA for everything in a battle of MVPs.

The league should make it really interesting and announce the MVP right after the game.

Or before the game.

I'll say before the game.

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If SGA before that one, Joker would just go nuts.

Take it personal.

Take it personal, right?

Now, who do y'all have winning the MVP since I'm here?

I know you're a big Joker, guys.

I think SJA's going to win it.

It's a narrative to have.

Yeah, the narrative is SGA should win, but Joker, he won three years already, and this is his best year.

This year is better than all three of those years by far.

So technically, he should have it, but the NBA follows stories.

The story matters to them, so it's SGA time.

It should.

By the way, they need SGA because Jokic is a huge star, but he's not marketable.

Like, as great as he is, he's not, like, SGA at least got some sauce to him.

So I think the NBA needs him to be the face right now, at least right now.

I like the new swag movement in the league.

Pause, but SGA and like, you just looking at niggas with some sauce out there.

so I do like that and some people believe that Shai should have got it one of them years that Joker got it exactly they tripping on that but I but I get it just Joker's just doing shit that's unprecedented I've just never seen anybody play basketball it's the most unique basketball play I've ever seen in my I can't believe that he does what he does like he shacks and just shoots like it's crazy

more for the evolution of the game itself and the evolution of an athlete you know for sure that's all that's some of it's the era yeah some of it's the era but i'm thinking about like our vitas subonis and people back in the day who had these unique skill sets.

If they played in this era, they would look very different.

You know what I mean?

If Giannis played back, you know, it's an age-old argument, but I think some of it is just the era.

But watching him play, make, and I've just never seen anybody pass the ball other than maybe Sabonis and a few other guys from that position like he does.

I don't fuck with him really because I like my center to be a center.

And he's a guard.

He's a point guard.

So for that, Joe.

Yeah.

He's a point guard.

What centers are centers now?

Plenty of centers are centers.

Look at the remaining teams in the league.

Go Benny.

The Knicks with Mitchell Robinson.

Go Brett.

Every team remaining has a center.

The Pacers have a center.

Cleveland had a center, even though they're out of here.

Everybody remaining has a center.

So there's some talks about that coming back, the big man.

I hope so.

Some teams are playing.

Some teams are playing double bigs.

I would love for that to come back.

Man.

Yeah, but play basketball again if that comes back.

Yeah.

OKC is playing double bigs.

True.

Two seven footers.

Yeah, come on.

Although Chuck plays a little more weird.

Yeah, but he's a seven-footer.

He is still.

He can still go into pain and block a shot.

Yeah, Trump.

And

give me

Jay Will.

Give me Jay Williams off the Thunder since he had a horrible game last game.

And they're home now, game seven.

Give me him from whatever his points are.

That's what I'm rolling with.

That's how I'm feeling.

That's going to be a really good game on Sunday.

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Okay.

tossing it to our tossing it to our girl oh yeah hold us down big man gracie gracie big gracie show why you got that gracie award gracie award winning man okay uh so today marks the fifth day of sean diddy comb's trial uh cassie is still on the witness stand this i believe is her third day testifying

um and uh she's been handed over to from the prosecution to the defense so they've been really just kind of like hammering home certain points.

You know, yes, we admit he's an abusive piece of shit.

However, the charges are

sorry, what are the charges?

The charges are, sorry, racketeering transportation to engage in prostitution and sex trafficking.

So they're trying to say that one doesn't equal the other.

The one thing that I want to,

you know, kind of highlight is how consistent she has been with her testimony.

It's been very, she's been delivering her testimony with very, with a very just the facts ma'am kind of tonality, which I think is really important

because obviously the questions that she's being asked, she's being asked to relive trauma and she's being asked to read text messages that seemingly contradict her claims and she's still doing it in a very succinct, very matter-of-fact manner.

And first and foremost, doing it while eight and a half years ago.

I was about to say that.

So the prosecution has now brought up a point to the judge, and they said this last night.

They said that the defense is purposefully asking redundant questions over and over and over again to try to see if she won't go into labor, which will then, you know,

a mistrial will have to be called.

I call 100% cap on that.

If there's one team that does not want her to go into labor, it's the defense team.

I think the defense feels that she is pivotal, like vital to whatever it is they need to prove.

The most probably, I think they've said she's the most important person in the case that we're trying to present.

I don't think they want her to go into labor.

And I think we saw that in a cross-examination yesterday.

Because what she read in the cross-examination, because like you said, they forced her to read the text out loud.

I think at the very least they want to rattle her because if you're rattled, you're not going to do as well in the chair.

That's the idea.

But some of the stuff she had to read out loud, particularly the one from August 2009,

uh when when uh

puff asked her when she wanted the next sex encounter to be and she replied i'm always ready to freak off okay um and then two days later she sent um him an explicit message she wrote back he replied he liked it and then she responded me too i just want it to be uncontrollable and so the defense is going to try to say that that's evidence that there was no coercion, that there was no control, that she just is a freak like him, and they're doing freaky shit.

And whatever else is going on, there's no charge there with that.

And the prosecution is going to have to prove that despite those texts,

there was coercion, or because of those texts, there was coercion.

Like she had to write that kind of stuff.

So that's a battle.

So I agree.

I think the prosecution, I mean, the defense wants Cassie in that chair.

That's the easiest.

It's going to be hard because we know Dawn Richard is going to hit the stand next.

And

Aubrey's all day.

They're going to come for blood.

They're going to come for blood.

Yeah.

They know, but and they kind of know what they're getting there.

But Cassie's the most vulnerable for this because she's the one who's been there the longest, right?

And it's harder to and she sets the stage for everything.

Absolutely.

You know, she's the one that was triggered everything.

She triggered the whole thing.

She did.

She did.

She did.

And so, you know, there's a term that keeps coming up right now, and it's Stockholm syndrome.

And I think that it's applicable in this kind of situation.

It just, it's dependent on what you believe.

And apparently, there is a lot of protesting going on at the courthouse right now.

It is a madhouse.

Media protesters on both sides of the aisle.

It's complete and total chaos down there.

There's people chanting in support of Diddy.

There's people who are chanting in support of, you know,

their pursuit of justice, whatever that looks like.

But

it's just literally like what you believe.

Do you believe that she's a victim and that she figured out a long time ago based on his enforcers,

his enforcement of

the imprisoned life that she was forced to lead, that she just said some things to get along because

you want to make your captor happy.

You don't want to piss them off kind of thing.

They named a lot of times where she wasn't captive, though.

I think that what people need to understand of what captive captivity actually looks like, because captivity is not just physical, especially if you've been abused for a a really long amount of time.

There is an erosion of your sense of

free will.

I agree.

I mean, even the kidnapped kids, sometimes they get sent to the store, they come back to the kidnapped, they don't run, they go back back home again.

Okay, I want to let the audience know from this point forward, you might hear an opinion that contrasts from you guys's.

Absolutely.

There should be.

I just want to let people know.

Yeah.

It's difficult to say that, what y'all are saying, when she eventually ended up not only escaping, but escaping with one of the handlers and paid with Puff's credit card.

It's tough to paint you as someone that was trapped when we're going to

throw all these instances where you seemingly were away

and you left for good.

So if you were able to leave for good at one point, then what happened at all these other points, entry, points of exit?

I can't speak on what.

And again, neither am I.

I'm not inserting my opinion of this.

Like Mel said, this is going to come down to, well, well, so far, because

I do think that the feds are going to prove their case.

Like, let me start with.

Not only do I think the feds are going to prove their case, but I think that the requirement, the standard is so low for what they have to prove.

They may have already proven it.

I want to say that, but.

I don't think Cassie looked the greatest during cross.

So this comes down to, do you believe that she was being sex trafficked or do you believe that she was in an abusive, drug infested toxic relationship i i think um

i think it it it is the sex trafficked part

part of it being because she was his employee not just his girl so that i'm controlling your finance there's the coercion part i'm paying you

um we went over the definitions the three things that have to be hit for it to be sex trafficking um one of them being a

commercial sex act.

There is the hiring of the escorts and transporting them in or to wherever they were.

So that is that part.

The coercion is

if I am in control of basically your money, I got you under contract.

You can't do this.

You can't do that as far as your music goes.

And I'm paying you,

there is some level of control there, which could lead to the coercion point.

So I think they got them already on the sexual

part, personally.

I can't hear you.

No,

first and foremost, I want to say that

what didn't work in Cassie's favor is

Puff lawyer Esteva, I think that's her name, she was extremely gentle with Cassie, right?

Extremely.

And they shared laughs and understanding.

I think that may work

in the favor of Puff, you know,

because a lot of lawyers, they come in, they try to hammer you down and force you to answer questions.

So she was gentle with her, and they got on the same accord.

But also what I think is that when I listen to this or read on it,

like Joe said, Cassie has gotten away a couple of times to even get into a couple of different relationships.

Even when she was with Kid Cuddy, she still reached out to Puff and was talking about she wants to participate in freak offs.

So these things right now are...

I don't want to say smoke and gun, but contradicts what the feds are saying or

some of the accusations, man.

Do you agree?

Well, I just want to make a point to say that there have been times where actual kidnapped victims, like Elizabeth Smart, where her captor allows her to go to the store or be out in public.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, this is somebody who.

So she wasn't kidnapping.

No, no, no, I'm just, I'm using an extreme example to demonstrate because everybody keeps saying, well, she got away at times.

Do you know how what the statistics say about domestic violence victims, how long it takes for them to actually leave for good?

It's usually about six to seven times, six to seven different attempts, and they end up going back.

And there's a whole psychology that you know discusses why do victims keep on going back to their abusers or their captors.

And I don't think that the vast majority of us are in a position to even discuss this because we just don't have that amount of see, but that's where the divide is.

And

I understand.

And I understand that.

I'm with you.

Slow down because I see you getting your.

No, no, no.

I'm just saying.

I see it happening.

I see it.

Come on, slow it down.

We talked before.

Oh,

I'm fine, I promise.

She's all right.

She got it.

What I'm saying is, that's where the line is, right?

Like,

everything you just said is 100% valid.

Do you believe that

anything that has to do with Cassie's participation falls under the, like you said, Stockholm's fucking

Stockholm?

She was young.

She was trauma

versus

the people that believe that she played more of a part and is not just a victim in this.

I fall on the side of the former.

I fall on the side of the former that she was young.

Because I think it was the defense asked her, Do you feel like at the age of 22 that you were, you know, that you were a fully formed and consenting adult and whatever the case is?

And she apparently kind of looked up and said, No.

And I think that it's just the side that I'm on.

I just, I believe.

See, I call cap on that.

Okay.

And for the, listen, I'm not a legal attorney, so the shit that I'm saying is not,

I'm not speaking to what ramifications

things were

in court.

What's cap about that?

There's the flip side of that that says some of these 22-year-olds know exactly what they're what they're doing and getting themselves into and they they sought that out.

Shit.

I'll go as far as to say that some of these 22 year olds are led there by their parents even like we saw that in our kelly case so so this duality here is all i'm saying i'm not inserting where i stand on nothing because it's all sensitive well in our kelly i mean like though they were children they were under the age of consent so and their parents served them up on fucking time

that is the hugest difference but also we sat up here a few weeks ago and talked about drea and jalen green who is what i don't know 22 years old or something something like that, and basically said, he is a child, she's the adult in this situation, and she should know better.

So

we can't have

it.

We can't have it both ways.

Puff is all of the things they say he is.

Yes.

My conversation about Cassie is not to negate what he is.

He is a manipulator, an abuser, and yeah, all of those things that we said about Drea are in play here still.

Yeah, and much more.

You're dating a younger girl, you know what you're doing, you know what time it is.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

And when you are a man of puff stature, fame, power, influence, wealth, and you got a 19-year-old girl who now at this point, you know, she's talking, they've graduated to the point of her being 22.

I think that during those ages, there was a lot of

manipulation and just kind of like, and grooming.

And I know, you know, that happened during those years to where, like I said, you know, some prisons don't look like prisons to other people, but there's a reason why they're called gilded cages.

And hold on, hold on.

Not just that.

There's the other part of he's doing things and getting away with it.

So, like, cool, I get away.

She fucking with Kid Cuddy.

Okay, boom.

You blow the car up and there's no repercussion at all.

That could scare the shit out of somebody.

Like, you know what?

If he could do this and get away with it,

what the fuck could he do to me

and just walk away scot-free?

There's a reason why it took 30 years to take down fucking Harvey Weinstein.

30 years, because you start to see that there is absolutely no consequences to the action to the actions that this person has perpetrated and they are illegal and they are they well they can kill people okay well well I want to read to y'all because I just want to present all sides of course in y'all of course of course I'm going to read y'all what Willie D had to say because I mean I enjoy Willie Dee

I absolutely love Willie D'My brother shout out to Willie Dee

Willie D D says,

I know some of you are about to be tight over what I'm about to say, but I'll take my chances.

See, Willie D is brave and the niggas over here.

He's jumping out there, but that's why I fuck with him.

I don't have a dog in the fight, but using Cassie's youth as a blanket excuse for the choices she made during her decade-long relationship with Diddy is problematic because it removes the necessary element of accountability, without which no one learns or grows.

Diddy and Cassie is a cautionary tale for men who use their money and power to abuse others.

On the flip side, it tells young women who will come after Cassie no matter what you get yourself into and who gets hurt, as long as you are young, you won't be held accountable.

By her own admission, she stayed not out of fear, but because she didn't want another woman to take her place.

Cassie is not some helpless victim.

She is a savvy, home-wrecking opportunist who left Ryan Leslie for Diddy knowing he was with Kim Porter simply to upgrade her lifestyle, turning both Kim and Ryan into collateral damage.

And let's not forget the kids.

In court she testified that she enjoyed the freak-offs, just not as often as Diddy did.

She ultimately left him for the trainer he paid for, tried to blackmail him for 30 million, and when that failed, sued him and walked away with 20 million.

Now that she's the prosecution star witness trying to bury him, yes, Diddy was abusive and should have been punished for it.

But let's not pretend Cassie didn't cash in after every black and eye.

I don't feel comfortable saying that.

I don't feel comfortable reading the last slide of that.

Some of that I kind of get the gist of, but I think the main thing that's important is that Cassie is not on trial.

Yeah.

That's the other thing.

And I think he's wrong about

all of that.

I think we have to start from there, right?

Cassie's not on trial.

And also the term home wrecker, I'm just like, why does the onus always put on the woman?

There's so many things, and I love Willie Dee, but I just, I have to disagree with him on a few of those things.

One, I don't think holding people accountable for the harm they cause means that the victims don't have accountability too, is just not the point.

If I were to,

you got that very expensive chain on,

if you were to walk through a really terrible neighborhood at 3 a.m.

unarmed by yourself with that chain on, you might get robbed.

I know not to do it.

Right.

And but when you get robbed, yeah, I would say to you, you made some bad choices, but that doesn't negate the fact that the person who,

you should be able to do that.

Mark, you actually helping, I've been quiet in this, but you're actually helping the other side.

You don't even see it.

I agree with that.

You're really helping the other side.

Because

I know I shouldn't be out in the hood at three in the morning with my chains on.

But why?

Because there's predators there.

But here's the problem.

No, but here's the problem.

Here's the real issue.

The real issue is how.

No, but don't lose that point.

Okay, no, I'm about to tell you.

I'm about to answer that.

The way men see the world and the way women see the world, right?

So the way men see the world, if you're my woman, I'm going to be like, yo, babe, don't wear that because because I know how men are.

Now you'll say that's not how men are supposed to be.

They shouldn't be that way.

But men are smart enough to know that that's not the way the world works.

Just because you wear, you, yeah, I should be able to wear my chain everywhere, but I'm smart enough to know where the wolves are, right?

So my thing is when you lay with wolves, you gotta, you almost gotta know you laying with a wolf.

So, so, my, hold on, hold on.

But to your point, what if you didn't know that?

Right.

And that's part of where the 19th.

What if you didn't know what?

And that's part of to not wear your chain there.

There's motherfuckers.

What if you didn't grow up anywhere near the hood, don't know nothing about being robbed, robbery, nothing like that, but you watched TV and saw a chain and got a chain?

Yep, and now you wearing it somewhere where somebody with some with some street sense would know not to wear that there, but you don't know because you're not from there, never been there.

And when we see because you're young and inexperienced in that life, and guess what happens?

Usually, somebody says, Yo, you know where you at?

Put that chain away.

You know, oh, you know what else they say?

Let me get that chain up there.

That's my point, exactly.

You're right, that's right, too.

Those are chances, but at the end of the day, the point is, you should live in a, we, we, the ideal world isn't one where you hide from the predators, it's one where there aren't predators.

And in this case, I just feel like, again, I might, if Cassie were my sister, my mom might be like, yo, that's the bad situation to get into.

All true.

But at the end of the day, the question is, did Diddy do harm?

But and the second thing, and I want you to jump in for, I just want to just finish this thought real quick.

The second thing, though, to me is that doesn't necessarily mean that the legal standard for the crime in this case was met, right?

Because that's what that's my only concern.

Let's put it.

Yeah, which I agree.

I agree.

So, so that's where it comes down to visit to trusting Cassie's word or Diddy's.

But what I don't want us to do is to believe that because someone came back home, because someone didn't run at the first sight, because someone enjoyed a freak off, that that means necessarily that they weren't being captive.

That's what I was saying.

It doesn't mean they were,

but how, though?

The example I gave that Mel gave it is that lots of people who are victims of things end up developing a psychological condition where they stay.

Again,

children get kidnapped.

They get brought to a whole new city.

They know they have other parents.

And if the kidnapper saves them long enough, they can send them to the store and the kid will come back.

That's true.

Slaves will enslave people, will literally leave a plantation and then go back.

They won't be afraid to leave.

It doesn't mean slavery wasn't bad.

That's true.

So all I'm saying is like the

I'm not saying that we know everything that happened in Cassie and Diddy's house.

I'm just saying that I wouldn't assume that because she stayed a long time, that that's proof that Diddy didn't do it.

Mark,

real quick, you just stated that

Cassie's not on trial here, right?

That's what you said.

But on the flip hand is that the stuff that Diddy's being accused of,

the stuff that he's on trial for does not fit the circumstances right now and what's being said.

That's my only problem.

That does, though.

That's because that's why them.

Because

Puffy is not on trial.

He's not on trial for being an abuser, a manipulator.

But he is

on trial for

sex trafficking and whatever the other two are.

Here's the problem.

Yo, y'all, if I'm looking from Puff's POV, y'all are saying I sex trafficked my girl.

Who I'm supposed to take care of.

This is my girlfriend.

Yo, y'all, and I know that it's easy to paint Puff as the monster.

He's done a great job of it himself.

But nobody is that 100% of the time.

Part of his manipulation and bullshit is the charm and all of that.

All of that that goes along with.

So,

what do you do when Puff's attorney is saying there were times where he was fully functional on the drugs and you kept going?

To be clear, let me finish,

what do you do when Puff's attorney is saying, hey, there were times when Puff was urging you that we can't freak off.

You have a role that you have to get ready for.

We can't do this.

And you were the person that continued and urged this to go on.

Like, it's not just the picture that y'all are painting.

And again, it falls on which side you believe.

Do you believe that he was sex trafficking Cassie?

And again, I think that they're going to get him with the next few.

I just don't think they did a great job with Cassie.

For clarity, for my sake and for the listener's sake, isn't isn't most of the sex trafficking not regarding her being sex trafficked, but the prostitutes and other people that were being brought in?

She basically sets the stage because she was there and present for and also instructed

and having sex with them and instructed to quote-unquote purchase them, you know, purchase their time.

Right.

You know, all we're talking about is their sexual

moments, and this is a RICO trial.

If this is a domestic violent trial or a state trial, I wouldn't care.

Because I think

here's why it matters.

Here's why it's relevant.

And I agree.

The domestic abuse as such is not on trial.

Yes.

But the problem is when you're trying, sex trafficking, because of those elements of coercion or fraud or force,

you need to establish.

You have to establish how you're using force and how you're coercing somebody.

And that's where saying, well, he's beating the shit out of me.

And if I don't do it, he's going to beat the shit out of me again.

When people get trafficked in other countries, that's often the fear that they take your green card or your documentation, but it's also the fear that they'll cut you or shoot you or beat you.

So the fear of violence is a form of enforcement of sex trafficking.

And so I think y'all are right in the implicit point y'all are making, and I agree with you, which is

the prosecution is not just using it for that purpose.

They're trying to make the jury just, they want the jury to prosecute Puff for being a monster, not for the particular crime, but they do have a legitimate.

And they're doing a great job at that.

Yes.

They're doing a great job at just, this guy's a piece of shit, convict him off that.

That's what it really is.

Like, we shouldn't need anything more.

That's true.

But it just so happens that his piece of shit happens, do, are relevant for the marriage.

But but what he's doing he was supposed to do like that's my woman i'm gonna put my girls right there i'm gonna give her money i'm and we gonna be it's like am i sex trafficking now like if she mad that's where that's that's where it reads they talking in court like they talking in court language which is why i'm letting it rock i'm talking on

yeah yeah

it is relevant in

and parks

Exactly.

It is relevant that she was with Ryan Leslie prior to ever meeting Dew.

And y'all saying she's not on trial, trial but she kind of is because her behavior in the past is relevant to what happens with this man's future how so how so just say more i'm not following say how so

they painting her as a fast little hussy got it

they painted her as somebody that maybe didn't have didn't have no way of ever having

and saw a powerful man was attracted to that left the nigga she was with daddy him and went and signed up for all of this maybe not knowing what she she was getting into.

I don't want to sound like, I don't think she knew.

And I think that might be the actual story.

I think so either.

But I think what she just painted.

She might have been like, that's a lick.

She might have got in there and said, fuck, fuck, Kim.

But she might have got shit all that shit.

He did.

He did a lot.

Fake lies.

Yeah, fake of this.

To take her away from him.

So I don't necessarily mean that.

She slid again with Cuddy.

She was with Cuddy and slid again.

She slid every time he asked her to slide.

Stop with this Cassie innocence.

I don't think she's all the way innocent in it.

I also think she's a victim and he's going away and horrible things were done.

But

I think they both

ask you the question.

If he's the one on trial and you believe that she's the victim and he's going away, why are we worried about how we painting her?

Because I know, because the niggas that was outside for a while don't look at that as artists.

to CEO.

That's why.

Because Cassie put her song out and nobody in note that had two cents in the music business thought Cassie's coming out with more music.

She's the fire.

Nobody thought that.

And we've seen mad times.

Carita just fucking did it.

Yep.

What are we talking about?

I know we in court, so cool.

But don't act like we don't know the bitches that see the CEO think I can get with him and I'm never doing music again.

They make that trade all the time.

I'm not talking about it.

All the time, Joe.

No, no, no, I understand.

So, question, because from what I remember,

from what I remember, if I mean, we can actually look it up.

I feel like her, it's not like her debut album was a dud.

You know what I'm saying?

So, in the way that you're saying that nobody had any expectations that she was going to have another album, I don't think that that's necessarily true.

That girl was a message.

From the inside, Melissa.

Okay, so

I didn't think she had that expectation.

I think other people may have.

If you're in the music business, you got to understand her coming in, we all knew she was a Ryan Leslie creation.

Ryan Leslie's girlfriend that he created, he produced everything, and then she left Ryan Leslie being his creation.

It becomes puff creation because whatever it is it might have been bigger but the part that bothers me is that we don't see we don't acknowledge what really happens what happens is is that puff brings like because we hate puff so much right we hate him right i get that but this was an employee of his a trainer that he hired to train him and her that takes her away she writes a book basically saying, give me 20 million for the 30 million for this and this.

And the person who trained the white guy's just walking around like he's harmless.

Like, it's crap.

Like, dog, Puff's not a great person.

I can get that.

But that don't mean he deserves everything worse, and he's the only bad.

This is not a Tyler Perry movie where he's only one bad guy.

It's bad people in every scenario.

He's the one that feds went and got and is on trial.

He's who they want.

But my point is, she's the author that got immunity.

See, we don't never pay no mind to the person that got immunity.

Why does she need immunity?

Like, we was both doing it.

I can see it legitimately.

Sorry, before you.

I can't do it.

No, no, no.

I was going to say, everybody seen, you're talking about everybody having this perception that that album was a one and done and he was never going to do anything else.

No, you was there too.

Hold on.

You was outside, too.

Hold on, what's that?

You've seen that girl be paraded everywhere and introduced.

Yes.

And introduced as Puff Girl.

And if you play with her, he'll hurt you.

Understood.

That was out there from 02 or whenever the fuck they met to whenever.

And I was in the studio.

Nobody.

He said the same.

That's it.

He paraded that girl.

He did the thing that he does.

I was going to say that just because it was other people's perception that that was a one and done, I don't necessarily think that that was her perception.

I think that she was sitting there with hope, hope again, hoping against her.

Yeah, she wasn't.

And also, she talks about

it, but also.

No, no, no, no, wait.

I want to, no, hold on, man.

Let me talk.

I was working on her project.

It wasn't.

Wait, let's get this one be wrong with Mark.

Either that's the naivete or that's the cunning savviness of somebody saying, hey, you know what would be a really good way to get my shit rocking?

To suck his dick.

No, no, I I hear you.

I'm saying, all I'm saying is, you can't get it.

And I don't care if

I think she was too young to have that thought.

That's not what I was saying.

I was saying that going in, that might have been her motivation.

I said, I accept that might have been her total motivation for getting into that relationship.

I was just, we were responding, Mel and I were responding to the idea of everybody knew no more music was coming once they got together.

And we were saying, no, she probably thought something else was coming.

And that's part of why she stayed.

But then it's for good reason, bad reason.

Well, I think that's what, well, that's where I ride with y'all.

Same thing make you laugh, make you cry.

And to be careful.

That's what's going to get

you.

Sorry, there's just one thing that I want to say in regards to this is the fact that during her testimony, she uses a term called work busy.

And what she means when she uses that term is that he kept the facade going by having her work with producers and go and write music and whatever else.

He knew he was never going to fucking put out any more music and everybody else got the memo.

She literally did not get the memo because she was that's why she called it work busy and in hindsight she realized oh he was just keeping the helping helping to keep the lie going in order to like you know persuade me into believing that i had

i was one of the producers by the way i was in the studio working on her project with puff in the room our guys and i can tell you from being in the music business you can tell when it ain't coming out They had no direction, no nothing.

It was just like, yo, just give us a fly.

It was like no direction.

Puff will come and go.

It was, you knew it.

If you're on the inside of of the music business, you know when your shit ain't coming out.

If you bring writers in town for a week and we don't come away with not one complete song,

eventually you start knowing.

And that's what I'm saying.

But Justin, so, so, so, so how y'all said,

why would she keep doing it?

If she knew her music was coming out, why would she continue to play?

Because she got the lights out without the music.

I was talking about Mar.

She loved Mark.

Mark, he put her up in a penthouse.

She was living like a superstar.

And then guess what?

He probably would have been still taking care of her when they broke up, but she was making a mistake.

But I was raising the music question.

I understand, I understand the argument you're making about the other thing.

I was just saying, why, you know.

If she knows that her music's not coming out, why bother?

Why waste your time?

That's right.

Because I'm still writing her letters.

Because everything that comes from this platinum music, I got already.

So, shit, I'm just

puffed don't want her to make music.

So I was just curious to know why she would even put playoffs.

If you're asking me, if you're asking me, I think that there was a lot of stoppages between this timeline that they're trying to reconfigure as her being this artist that was chasing a career.

She was not.

Okay.

A question for Melon Mark.

If, and this is what I asked last time, if

how was she able to leave with the trainer if he was so controlling and Stockholm syndrome and

all that, right?

Like, if he was controlling, like I guess said, or like they saying, and

she was being watched and she couldn't move, how was she able to leave with the trainer that he hired for her?

That's, listen, me and my girlfriends were talking about this in the car last night.

That is the shit I would fucking love to know.

Oh, see, and that's where I can't fuck with them.

So that's where I can't fuck with with them.

No, no, no, just wait.

Hold on one second here.

I just said less, like about five minutes ago, how many times it takes victims of domestic violence to leave their partners and how many times they keep going back.

But for a lot of women, sometimes there is the final time.

Also, I want to make mention that within the first few weeks.

of a woman trying to leave a domestic violence incident, that is when she has the highest statistical rate of being unalived by

her mate.

So

there is real fear

that nobody and it's okay can i can i just say something to you and mel and i'm on y'all's side of course i am on their side

i hired them so i could be on their side

no for real

all right

if the nigga was all that come on listen because what wait let me say this she left plenty of time that's what i'm saying mark let me say that wait let me say that in response to mel mel on the flip side of what you're saying this is gonna sound horrible so don't say it but i am gonna to say it.

Because women are not a monolith.

Men, we're not.

There are some women that really like the controlling guy.

I'm telling you.

There are some women that are attracted to the toxic, ain't shit.

I'm in the house controlling, demanding, jealous.

I'll fuck your ex up.

Oh, for sure.

I will not deny that for

single seconds.

Yes, absolutely.

Absolutely.

I don't know Cassie Cassie enough.

That's why they put that on her jacket.

But I know there's a flip side to that.

That's unfortunate.

Of course.

And that's usually born out of some kind of trauma or some kind of experience where somebody did it.

No one just wakes up and like, I want to be controlled.

Mark, it's my only issue with this.

But just let me ask a flip's question first.

So I think there's a couple of things.

I think one, to Mel's point, at some point you do get enough.

And there's that.

But your question is, if Puff's so dangerous and violent, why did it happen?

Some of it is timing.

Some of it is when somebody's really in a bad space, drug-wise, relation-wise, or he's out fucking somebody else for the next three weeks, that's the time to exit.

Sometimes you stop caring about the fear because after the sixth or the eighth time, you're like, you know what, fuck it, if I, look at Tina Turner, I didn't stop being violent to her when she left.

She just said, fuck it, I don't care anymore.

You know what I mean?

If I have to die to leave this situation, then I'll die to leave this situation.

And then some of it is sometimes you need

some courage.

And sometimes it's when you meet the next guy that you get the courage to leave.

Now, that doesn't mean that the next guy is a good guy.

I'm with you.

Okay, thank you.

I have no idea.

I don't know.

That's whack, though.

That is whack.

I don't want to praise him.

I don't know anything about him.

I wouldn't know him if he walked in this room, right?

But what I know is sometimes you need somebody in your ear saying you can do this.

Even if it's for their own purpose.

Even if it's for the owner, but you need somebody to do this.

So that's a lot of the reasons why.

But the last thing I would do is advance the idea that, well, Puff wasn't that bad.

Only because we've seen how bad he can be.

Yeah, he was that bad.

He was bad.

And that was his girl.

And also, and I also think that Alex Fine was so removed from, he was an outsider.

Yes, he was hired by Puff.

I get that.

But he was basically an outsider to that massive circle.

So anybody saying, well, I tried to pull her away, et cetera, et cetera.

She could literally have been living with the belief, you are too close to the situation.

He will send the enforcers.

He'll come fucking get me.

I'll get another fucking beating.

Fuck that.

Can't go.

But he.

But the controlling monster guy just so happened to not do any of those things when you left with the help that he paid for.

I don't

know

if he didn't nobody up.

He didn't shoot nobody.

He didn't go.

No, not this time.

I don't know how hot it was at that time.

What we're talking about,

I'm talking about this time.

But I'm saying she left with other people and shit happened.

But let's be clear.

When you said that, what's his name, Harvey Weinstein?

You said Harvey Weinstein.

We try to compare Puff to the powerful rich men.

It's one of the things that is a powerful rich man.

He's not a powerful rich man.

Oh, I'm sorry.

He is a powerful rich man, but it's one other fact that he's also famous.

And when you're famous, women flock to you.

Puff ain't A.

Harvey wants every way he went.

Women are there.

So, what I'm saying is that when they try to paint him, like, it's like he was also a celebrity that women wanted.

So, she didn't want to give up that spot.

Men wanted, clearly.

And by the way, she even marked, she even said it.

I didn't want to lose my spot.

And that's probably true, too.

Then, then she played a role slightly in it.

Well, if you acknowledge that, then you acknowledge that this is more than just

Stockholm trauma and she was young.

But that is kind of part of Stockholm trauma.

Oh, tell me.

Yeah, because part of it is is you start to associate with your your captor.

You start to associate with your oppressor.

And so I don't want to, I want him to like me.

I don't want to lose this part.

It's exactly consistent with Stockholm's.

You picked up in a black van.

Y'all make some puppet picked up in a black van and threw in the car.

He's not a captive.

You do lose me there.

I'm using captive in the context of Stockholm.

That's what it comes from.

Okay, I got you.

So in this case, it's not a literal captor.

But most domestic violence situations aren't literally, most people are literally locked in.

It's other factors.

And again, that doesn't mean that there wasn't a personal issue.

So you're weaponizing all the things that you was attracted to.

That's what's really happening.

That's what's happening.

I'm just going to read for anybody who has a question.

Well, and he's a piece of shit.

So everything is right when it comes to pop, because he is a piece of shit.

Don't confuse what we're saying with he's not a piece of shit.

But she ain't just little Miss Red Riding Hood that, oh my God,

I'll put you on that.

She's not on trust.

I literally have to get out of the ball.

Because that's the same shit police say.

Well,

he was no angel.

I don't have to be an angel to not get shot, right?

We tend to.

Or if you're lying on our whole history, that's the only reason we keep talking about her.

Because she keeps saying, yo, this was that.

And he's saying, no, the fuck it was not.

That's the only reason we keep talking about it.

We do got to talk about it.

Yo, but I'm just saying on this massive platform, as you would like to say, that we're not suggesting that person has to be a perfect or an angel or have great character.

I'm not suggesting that.

I'm not saying you don't agree.

I just want to reinforce that.

I agree with you.

Because I don't.

She could be a.

Let's assume Cassie's the worst person ever.

She still doesn't deserve the things that puff is accused of doing to her and and that we've witnessed what we're up here debating is whether or not puff actually but it's a very important part they say that she did stuff to him he's just an accuser of it so she so she went out first it's like basically who called who first like we but joe said the police first now i'm the bad person that's really what it is because when you look in it she's like i can't wait for the freak up i want to be uncontrollable from a man as a man it's tricky as a man it trickers me because women tell you that type of shit all day slut me out do this do this and then all of a sudden i do it and then all of a sudden she like you use me, hold the like as a man, you become confused.

I think we're getting confused again in what the trial is.

It's the state and the feds versus puff.

It is not Cassie versus Puff, it is not the state versus Cassie, but it's versus Puff triggered off what he supposedly did to Cassie.

Yeah, you know,

I feel like one of them because we because we want to.

The person that has immunity and liked freak offs just as much or more than me, I should be allowed to say, Hey, she was in there asking for the uh, asking to get pissed on.

She was in there asking if we could fly jewels in.

This was not just a master manipulation by Puff.

I should be able to say that shit.

Yo, how I'm supposed to know?

But if you ask me for it.

Wait, wait, wait, Ray, it's funny you say that because in court, that's what it's coming down to now.

I do think that more people are coming.

But right this second, Puff's defense is saying, how am I supposed to know that you ever had a problem with any of the free calls when this has been your verbiage to me?

That's what they discussing right now.

So I'm going to, let me just read this about people experiencing Stockholm syndrome, a psychological phenomenon where hostages develop positive feelings toward their captors, often exhibiting behaviors like refusing to cooperate with authorities, defending the abuser, and minimizing the abuse.

They may also feel attached to or even sympathetic towards the captor and struggle to detach and heal from the trauma.

Can I ask what she does?

Can I make one analogy?

She did fall under trauma and I was young in Stockholm.

Can I make a quick analogy?

Go ahead.

You're dating someone that loves cocaine.

Yes.

You buy them cocaine.

Thoughts that was great so far.

Buying cocaine is illegal.

Yes.

There we go.

Here we are.

No, that's not true.

Why?

Let's stay right here.

Let's do it.

You like cocaine.

I like cocaine.

Together, we in the trenches getting cocaine.

We're the Coke couple.

We are the cocaine couple.

Let's go.

Once we get caught, you flip.

No, no, no, no.

Joe, Joe, Joe, you miss it, Joe.

No, no, no.

You missed it, Joe.

Once you got tired of it, because you want to go to another place, you find love, good for you, find a husband, but you realize that that shit cost.

So if you can't be the victim, that's what is, Michelle.

I mean, I'm sorry, you just can't be a victim of it.

If you wrote a book, hey, man, give me some money for this.

I'm gonna put it out.

At that point, you're not a victim.

You're basically saying, nigga, you know, I need some money.

And he buy, he's like, you know, you picked who you picked.

No, she's a victim, and she's...

You know what I'm saying?

But she became the victim after he said, I'm not being you 30 million for the book.

Okay, now I'm going to sue you.

So

is that not true?

I think that's the problem.

My response to Parks is you can't repaint history as if you wasn't down and then make it seem like I was forcing you to do Coke.

And that's my issue with the Coke.

But in your example, it's really, I like Coke and I introduced you to Coke.

Yes.

That's where it's a little different.

He introduced her to this shit.

She says that he taught her this.

It is that she was doing that prior to him.

Right.

Sure.

But you was doing it after him.

And he, at some points, tried to get you off and put you in a drug react.

Y'all can't keep playing both sides of the fence with him.

And her point is that that's not what happened.

That's what I'm saying.

That becomes a question of the facts.

I get what you're saying.

He's saying you was down for the free cups.

You wanted some time, but I didn't.

I hear that.

She's saying that's not what happened.

And so we also, at some point, have to decide whose version we believe or look at the evidence to see, I think this is the Tory trial all over again.

I don't think any of that matters to the charges that are being presented.

He is charged with bringing prostitutes over, sex trafficking, using multiple businesses and such to do so, which is racketeering.

I think they got him.

Yeah.

I keep saying

they got him.

It's not the same exact trial.

It's a similar scenario to the person we're all arguing.

Did you do this?

Did he do this?

Which we will get to at some point.

Yes.

I just feel like when somebody has gotten away with so many things over the years, people try to find something to

take them down.

We'll get them to get him.

I don't want to use the words pin on them, but that's what they do.

Look what we're saying.

He got away with it so many years and all that shit.

So does that mean what he's on trial now?

I don't think you're wrong.

You know what I mean?

And that's the only problem with the OJ situation.

I think it's going to be part of it.

The OJ situation where he got away with that shit, and they just pinned that he tried to for his.

It's just shit.

But OJ probably did it too.

See, that's, I get, I get what you're saying, Mark.

And that's the trough part.

But yeah, but he wasn't.

I'm not going to kill him.

OJ probably did the shit he was actually convicted of, but the feds aren't usually convicting people for that shit.

He went in and stole his memorabilia back.

He did.

That's what he went to jail for.

Yeah.

And that's what I think.

He probably did it, but the fate they don't usually lock you up for that.

Similarly, half the music industry does what Puff does.

They're just not.

So today,

not half Mark, 95%.

No doubt.

So today on the stand during the cross,

they got Cassie saying they're playing audio of Cassie threatening someone who threatened to leak.

She said, I'm going to kill you.

Yes, somebody who threatened to leak footage from the freak-offs.

She said that she threatened to kill them.

Oh, wow.

But Mark, not that she threatened to kill him, Joe, she said, no, I will have you killed.

No one will know that I, like, it was like she went into it.

Yeah, there'll be no blood on my hands.

I've never done this before, before, but

it's almost like she's connected to someone who's capable of doing those kinds of things.

That's what I'm hearing.

Yeah.

I think that makes puff look bad.

Okay, so let me.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Time out, Mark.

I think it makes them both look bad.

I'm sorry.

I'm not saying it doesn't make her look bad back there.

But I'm saying, because she's not on trial, I'm saying I don't think that helps Puffs.

And I want to make a point to how Joe just

told you guys this, the way, the wording that he used.

I'm going to reframe that with how it's written here, just to show it's all about which you believe.

It's all about your perception based on the words that you hear and how you hear the words.

Give me your bag, Mel.

Jurors heard a recording of a distressed Cassie screaming at a friend who said that

he had seen a video of her performing sex acts.

So it's not even including this friend in the video.

He just says he has it.

In the recording made by Cassie, who recorded herself in 2013, the man claimed to have the video on his phone.

Cassie is heard pleading to see the video and then threatening to kill him if it became public.

I've never killed anyone in my life, but I will kill you, is what she said.

She didn't say anything about I'll have somebody else do it.

At least it doesn't say that here.

Cassie told the man punctuating her threats with profanity.

Well, in another transcript, it does say that.

Yeah, we need to figure out.

Fair enough.

Okay, yeah.

Because you're not reading from a transcript.

No, it's just a report.

It's a report from ABC, exactly.

She acknowledged in her testimony that Combs subsequently made efforts to keep the videos private or the video, this particular particular video private.

But I mean, words matter in terms of how we tell the story, you know.

So

Joe's version versus how I just read that, you'll hear it two different ways.

You'll hear a woman who is terrified of the world seeing her in that position, knowing that she had no real control as to whether or not it was even filmed.

And that will take her fate in her own hands and kill the person that put her in that position.

I mean, but how many,

but how many times have you been angry with somebody and you just say, oh, I'm going to fucking kill you or something like that?

I'm going to have you killed.

So I'm going to do it.

That's very different.

If it gets meticulous, it gets...

But for me, but for me as a juror, what I would hear in that is, Cassie's fucked up, but she was going to leverage the power that she had by being with Puff, which tells me that Puff has the power to control outcomes.

It just reinforces the cutty blowing up the car.

It just reinforces that he is somebody who you need to be afraid of.

And she was afraid of.

And it also reinforces that she was very attracted to that and she used it when she needed it.

No doubt.

But again, and if she were on trial, I think you might be able to get her on a Rico trial, maybe.

I don't know.

But she wouldn't be on trial because she'll be on one, right?

But in a Rico trial, if she didn't have immunity, what Willie D is saying that she should be co-defendants.

I think it's a racketeering trial, too, by the way.

Yes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Which is sometimes part of a RICO, I think, and they're not the same thing.

I have no idea.

Yeah.

I'm going to.

I think it's.

No, Rico.

Rico is racketeering.

Yeah, racketeering.

No, I think Rico is part of racketeering.

Isn't that the R in Rico?

Yeah.

Yes.

I get what you're saying.

But Rico is.

Racketeering can be part of Rico, but Rico is not necessarily a racketeering charge, I think.

That's the difference.

Yeah, you're right.

That's true.

Okay.

All right.

Again, this is kind of the discourse that's happened similar to the trial over on the West Coast.

It's discourse that's going to get in things.

But the real issue is that you have people that are emotional, and when you're emotional and the mob hates you, like right now, the mob hates Puff, right?

And anytime someone says

something that helps him is like the mob is mad at them for speaking up for him, but that's not what this is.

This is a trial.

That's what the point of this is.

So just because the mob hates you doesn't mean that everyone should say, it's like that's my only thing.

It's like they was together, they did it together.

It's times what she wanted, it's times what he wanted it, but because he's the person everybody likes, killed that.

And the defense introduced where he left.

He left you, he was with Ken Porter, he was with Gina, he ran off, and you were jealous that somebody else was taking your spot.

How y'all hear that, and

I want to be clear.

I don't think that she's an angel or anything, but again, she's not on trial.

So that's

irrelevant.

It's just the toxicity associated with a super freaking thing.

It's not irrelevant if you're saying I held you captive and kidnapped and you couldn't leave and I forced you to do all these things.

That's why the Stockholm thing is not that good.

Exactly.

And that's why.

Don't Stockholm does it.

So

while her admitted now on trial, on the stand, is Stockholm still in effect?

And did Stockholm leave when she left with the handler and paid with Buff Craig?

She's been gone for years.

This is what I'm saying.

I'm saying something slightly different.

I understand your question.

I'm saying something slightly different.

I'm not saying that Stockholm explains all of her actions.

What I'm saying is,

and that's why I want to be clear.

What I'm saying is that Stockholm is an answer to the question of why she does it.

In other words,

her actions don't prove Puff's innocence.

And Stockholm Syndrome is an example of why they don't.

But it also doesn't prove his guilt.

Right?

So in other words, her not leaving doesn't prove that he's guilty.

Or he's innocent.

I'm 100% with you.

And that's where Stockholm comes in as an explanation, a potential explanation.

Every time we use the word Stockholm, we never go right to proving that it was Stockholm versus a cunning, savvy, little fast heifer.

And I think the reason is because when people, when people, because we don't never do that.

Because when people look figuring out what's real, here's why.

Because when people look at her behavior, they act like that's the big joke.

You don't get this right.

But in Spades, there's this big job.

It's a funny moment.

Big joker, right?

So,

what happens is, what happens is people say, well, it couldn't have happened because she did this.

And all I'm saying is that,

I know, but I'm just saying, just because she did this doesn't prove that Puff wasn't guilty of this crime.

That's all I'm saying.

I'm not talking about his guilt or not.

I'm just saying they was in it together.

To me, it feels like, like, you was mad at me.

We argued, but we forgot we were famous.

And now the shit, now we at trial looking at each other like, fuck.

Look how big this shit got.

And it really was nothing to us.

I really don't think she wants him to be like go to jail.

But in her own words, she's admitting to a certain thing and taking accountability herself.

But I also want to say that.

Stockholm doesn't want to be aware of that.

I just want to, I just, okay, wait, let me just ask you guys a question.

How much of a role do you think physical violence plays in somebody feeling like,

yes, I have no chains on me, but I can't go far?

How a huge, okay, now, hold on one second here.

If we're going to sit here and think and act like that videotape that happened in the fucking hotel was an isolated incident, we're

thinking about it.

Okay, so if we're going to look at that as an example of how free he felt to do this in a public setting with cameras and knowing he was going to be able to buy off this fucking hotel and this footage was never going to see the fucking light of day, then he is walking around with this idea that he is a Teflon motherfucking Don.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Now that can be true.

That's not the only truth.

I'm not saying it's true.

You are saying that that can be true.

That is true.

I don't want to present this because it feels like I'm speaking for him.

And I don't want to do that.

I don't want to do that.

However,

the guy that's brazen enough to do that on the hotel cameras in public, like Mel just said,

a lot of times

thinks about the person he's doing it to and has that relationship to where he feel like he don't feel like he could beat that just because he's so big and bad.

He also feels like he could beat it because of who he's doing it to.

And she's held him down before.

And they together have worked together to suppress all of it.

You know, he ain't just moving on his own accord.

He's moving like that because this is my girlfriend.

Which literally moving like that.

Which is how you're doing.

Joe, he's moving like that.

That's how we move.

Yes, that's what I'm saying.

That's how we move.

That's what I'm saying.

You might not want to say it that way.

Exactly.

So getting picked.

That's how they move.

And that's how they would beat each other.

Everyone said it.

Everyone appreciate it.

We just don't like him, And I get it.

But I'm saying that there was two bad people.

I was going to be able to the ear maybe doesn't sound the greatest.

There was two people.

It wasn't the greatest.

Like, and I think that's the hard time people have.

And none of this shit is going to sound pretty.

That's why the lawyers are saying, yo, he is a piece of shit.

We're not here to argue that.

None of it sounds pretty.

But

she likes some of it.

And how would he know that she didn't keep a hostage?

She does not get it.

She doesn't enjoy getting some of that.

Mel, I want to say one thing.

Mel, I want to say one thing.

Do you know women find it attractive when a man comes and gets her?

Like, like, me and my man was arguing.

I went out and he showed up to the club.

They love it.

It's like, my nigga, my nigga don't play about it.

It's like, it's attractive when she finds it attractive.

Yeah, they're writing off the women that like that shit.

I'm not doing it.

And it's easy to paint Cassie as the victim that was abused who was trying to put an album out and the big, bad, powerful man.

Yes, horrible shit happened, but it couldn't.

She was down for something.

I'm not denying for a single solitary second.

But yeah, she's not on ground and she was jumping and stalking.

That level of toxicity did not permeate her and literally

become like a template of her own actions.

Mel, I just want to ask you a question because it's really important because you are a beautiful girl and you have a lot of options, right?

Well, you do.

No, you do.

But my point is this.

Remember you so crazy when Martin said you break up with a girl and you're broke?

She can't wait to leave.

Right.

Nigga, you want to leave this indoor product?

I went to one of their houses.

It was just the Hollywood house.

Oh, she broke.

10,000 square foot.

That was just the house where Cassie was at.

You want to leave all this?

And, you know, sometimes you got to think.

So what I'm asking you, Mel, is a beautiful woman.

Does the man's financial status and the lifestyle he provides to you make a difference in how long a woman would endure other pains?

It can 1,000%.

And is that Stockholm's?

It can 1,000% play out.

It absolutely can.

But is that Stockholm's?

No, it's not.

No, we're not talking about Stockholm right now.

I'm asking the question.

It's not Stockholm, right?

Not what we're discussing right now, okay?

We're talking about the

like...

accepting like a like you know understanding love to be in a really toxic form um to be toxic so there are some women yes that if the situation is like i said a gilded cage they're not fucking going anywhere they're going to you know they consider that the the lesser of of two evils but there are some women

that will that will say fuck you fuck your fucking bowling alley fuck the fucking helipad i'm fucking out there is women that

and i think cassie did that 10 years into it and finally was over it and that was it That's what I really believe happened.

And then you get with a man, then you realize there's no more heated toilets.

There's no more heated pools.

What do we have?

And then you realize the nigga that I could get it from, he ain't gonna like me because I left with you.

So now you like, what are we gonna do?

I'm gonna, you had like couples on pillow talking, sitting in bed and planning plot.

We're gonna write a book, get he don't want it to get out, hit him for some money because we need money.

Yeah, you know what they highlighted.

That's a different

thing.

That's how it happens, though.

Unfortunately,

then he should have paid it.

But he did.

You know what they highlighted?

Unfortunately,

he did not.

He should have cut his own way.

that's the other problem.

Because that's the other thing.

But now she got to.

Niggas go and pay the settlement, and y'all still leaked the story.

No, is that what happened?

I'm asking because I don't.

That's what they said on the he said.

That's what happened.

No, she filed a lawsuit, and then once that went up, the next day he paid.

No, no, no.

That part I know.

What my understanding of the situation was...

Was the feds were already working on a fucking case.

They were kind of on his ass, and because all these lawsuits came back to back to back, the feds, some thirsty feds jumped on it.

It wasn't that Cassie tipped it because she stopped tricking it.

Yeah, but she popped the first lawsuit.

Yeah, no, yeah.

Yeah, but what I'm saying is she didn't, I don't think she got she said it off publicly.

The court of public opinion.

The feds could have been working for months.

That's my point.

I'm saying Cassie, I think, was fine with the check.

It wasn't.

She was the one that was supposed to shut the fuck up if I just gave you 20 million.

Yeah, but if the feds call you and say, you got to get the trial, what you take the stand, what you going to do?

Then you take the stand, and today is the first time or the other day is the first time we're hearing any of this, and we're all shocked and appalled appalled at the same time.

That's not what happened.

What happened is he lost his shit as soon as Cassie said, yo, and then the video came out.

He was done.

See, and I feel like that's the steamroll of all the other people, Rod, or all the people who came out with cases.

I mean, at least eight other cases came out against Puff.

None of them more damaging and damning than this one.

And the video.

And that video.

Even before the video, this one was

a shit.

He saw her with him for 10 years.

He shouldn't have done none of this shit.

Yo, don't take any of this speech as riding for him.

Exactly.

He shouldn't have did shit.

He's dead to rights.

But important to examine how you got there.

Ego.

Ego.

And the perception of being untouchable.

Ego.

Ego makes you think you're untouchable.

Yeah.

All ego.

Joe, I think we need an amooz bouche.

And moose bouche.

Can you give us a little bit of moose bouche?

What the fuck is that?

It's like a...

This is crazy.

It's pretty good.

The appetizer before the appetizer.

You cannot say what's on the table without being looked away.

You can't speak from the other side with hardcore facts without it looking away.

Like you're against it.

Yeah, I love everybody the way.

I think you can't.

We always say that because I think we can't.

When I hear Cassie up there admitting the things and saying I love them and taking accountability, I still hear people, no disrespect, making excuses for her.

Stockholm.

She's like, and all this shit.

Like,

she's acknowledging.

Stockholm shit.

I ain't going to.

She's acknowledging, like, yo, I was in love with him.

Yes, I wanted to do it.

Marky, you know, you know, when women are in love, they do the dumbest shit for men.

Men know that.

We all know that as men.

She was in love.

She did dumb shit, and it's over now.

But because Puff is,

because how people look at Puff and view, he's been getting away with this for so many years.

Now it's, oh, she has to be going through something or something mental age.

You saw Django, right?

I did.

All right.

So imagine if the slave master from Django, was it Leonardo?

Leonardo.

Imagine if Leonardo was on trial.

Got it.

And then somebody said, well, it couldn't have been that bad.

Look at Steven.

Look at Samuel Jackson.

Look at him.

Yeah.

If he was really getting abused, why is he hugging him?

Why is he risking his life for him?

Why is he killing other people?

Why does he have the ability to even fucking speak to him?

Why is he doing this shit?

He left and came back.

That was good, Mark.

You see what I'm saying?

Like, we could, if we did that,

we'd be fucking, we would sound crazy, right?

But at one point, Samuel had a chance to leave and join them niggas.

Wait, and now.

And Chase just left.

But wait, wait, wait.

That's my point of picture.

Samuel chose not to, though.

Let me reply to that.

If you watch the Django, he made a choice.

I'm off of Django.

Let me reply to that.

yes that doesn't account for the millions of people that would sign up for that abuse in a heartbeat if there were 20 and 30 million at the end of the rope for sure

you can't say for sure because you don't account you don't account for those people that that theory is never floated in this all i'm saying because abuse is bad and now i sound like i'm defending and i am not defending i don't doubt that there'd be people who would sign up for it but that doesn't nullify the fact that the abuse is fucked up and i think it is i'm not debating that part i'm not debating i know you're not debating so that's what I'm saying.

So the fact that she's

and honestly, I think she deserves the 30 million.

If everything we say the truth, she deserves it anyway.

Me too.

So I don't feel like.

I think she deserves the 30 million.

I also believe that he deserved a certain treatment when you paid it.

Yep.

And that's what I think.

But she deserved the 30 million.

And if you pay 30 million, that comes with certain rights that he didn't get.

He didn't pay the 30.

I would argue.

He paid 20.

But that was

the best.

No, no, but the point is, it wasn't like, hey, we want this, take that.

It was a hostile.

He made a hostile.

hostile.

He should have paid a 30.

That's what I'm saying.

He should have paid a 30.

None of this is happening.

I hope not.

You might not kill me.

But, Mark, I love that you said that.

Everybody said that.

But imagine if your ex-girl who dating your old trainer that you hired comes to you with a book and says, really in your crawl.

No, it is.

But wait, but don't put that on Ray.

Know why I'm with Ray?

Because when I read the shit,

the court transcript where Puff was focused on getting the money back from the trainer that was paid.

I thought that was a grave mistake.

That was a grave mistake.

Dog, let it go.

Yeah.

It sounds like it's important to raid because reading that is important.

It was too important to push.

It was way too important.

But, Mark, what I'm saying is that

from a man's standpoint, if somebody take your chick, okay, she's a better man, one.

But if this is somebody you hire, he's in your house, you're telling him to handle it, and they run off together, and now you come back to me with a book, and then you say, oh, it could be a lawsuit, I might not have responded like that either.

I'm just being honest with you.

I might have been like, man, fuck y'all, but

Leslie.

Hold on.

How you get them is how you lose them.

But anyway, that's another conversation.

That's true.

What you just said, you come back with the book.

You have to now weigh.

If she filed this lawsuit, what do I got to lose?

No, no, no, no, no.

But you're right.

But what I'm telling you is, remember this.

That's what you're doing.

She still is telling me to give her 30 million before she put out this book.

And I know she's taking it back to that nigga that took her from me.

Cool.

So now

you're ego.

I agree.

I'm not arguing it wasn't ego.

You're right.

It was all ego.

It was all ego.

It was all ego.

But that's why I'm telling Mark.

That's why he, I don't think, because I feel the same way.

Why wouldn't you just paid it 30 million?

But it was the book.

We didn't know that.

But if it's all ego, then how much of it is spite on her part?

Ooh.

Probably all of it.

Yeah.

How much of which part?

The coming up.

The civil or the criminal.

I'm just asking if you mean the civil or the criminal.

It could be all.

I think the civil is both.

I think the criminal is, I think she just got swept away and had no choice on that.

That's all.

She didn't have no choice.

He took a launch a super.

I think they just began.

I don't think that's fault.

But the civil part, I think some of it is, I know you don't give a fuck about much, and I need you to feel something.

The the courts and because that's what a lot of domestic a lot of sexual assault and DV cases end up civil not just because for lots of reasons but part of it is the courts ain't gonna do shit the copies ain't gonna do shit

but also the only thing you'll feel is this money hit you in the pocket yeah some of it's the only thing you'll feel is money I deserve some of it but also this is gonna fuck you up man I need you to feel y'all see the video of Lil Wayne's ex-girlfriend being broken up did you yeah okay the reason why I'm going so hard for this trial is because of that video she said something on that day exactly she my man my man is breaking up with me he took me and my daughter out Instead of going on with her life saying this man don't want me, she says, Who knows a lawyer?

What are we talking?

Now, you now women are suing niggas for breaking up.

And we now we don't even have a choice jokes.

But we don't account for that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like it's like, so that's why I'm saying, like, listen, if you, if somebody came in with facts and here's wires and puff prime, I'm with all that.

But all we're talking about is a sexual endeavors.

And to me, that's like embarrassing them is really shitting on them.

But for me, it gets us nowhere.

It's, you know, Rico.

I like, dog, Rico was created for John Gotti and fucking Paul Castellano and all those gangsters.

This is not the right thing.

This is, this is for.

This is not a

good thing.

Father Ricochet are different.

Huh?

That's fair.

It's a racketer.

Racketer.

It's not a Far Rico charge.

Okay.

That's true.

That's true.

That's fair.

That's fair.

Yes.

So let's do the muse bougie now.

What the fuck is that?

Apparently, y'all eat at the wrong restaurants, right?

It's a palate cleanser.

It's like they give you a lot of money.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, clearly we didn't go as far in college as you.

This is shit you just talked about.

No, it's fancy restaurant shit.

Fancy as college shit.

They all associated the same thing.

Point is, we need a palette.

We need a palate cleanser.

And so I just thought we could talk about something else.

And I was looking at social media yesterday, minding my own business.

And I stumbled upon a great new podcast.

Have you seen this new podcast?

Which one?

It's Jadakiss

and Fat Joe.

Anybody caught it?

Yes.

I've seen two of the episodes.

Oh, the whole thing.

Okay, dope, dope, dope, dope, dope.

I didn't watch the most recent one, though.

Oh, you should, oh, you should.

How do you feel about artists stepping into the pie space?

As a longtime native potter, I feel like I'm very protective of my space.

I don't want anybody in there.

That's what I'm asking.

Yeah, fuck those guys.

No,

I think anybody should do what they can.

I mean, look, I was a TV guy, a TV news guy that people said shouldn't step into podcasts anymore.

So I think people should do their thing.

I hate how they announced it.

I hate how hard they want.

It's almost like, because you have an advantage because you're a celebrity, right?

Yeah.

But I think that they thought it was going to be hard.

No, I think they thought it was going to be easy.

Oh, my God.

They thought it was going to be easy.

And then they get on there, then they realize that we don't care.

Like, everybody's talking, so all we care.

And then they start, you know, figuring out what's going on.

You got to make a splash.

Hey, you got to make a splash.

You got to make some noise in the podcast.

You got to make a splash.

By the way,

on the third episode, we didn't start seeing clips from the third episode until they made a splash.

Yeah.

Can we talk about that splash a little bit?

I saw clips from the second episode.

I saw the second episode.

But I chose not.

I chose not.

And even those clips were

what appeared to be attempts to be a bit.

It was a bait.

It's a little bait.

Yeah, a little bit.

Chump the water a little bit.

Absolutely.

I didn't think it was about me because I got a hit.

You say that again?

Oh, right.

Second episode.

Got witches.

And it was like, yo, niggas ain't got hits.

Niggas ain't qualified.

I didn't take that personally.

I felt like that before I got into pod game.

Like, yo, there's too many people that are doing interviews with rappers that never did it, never heard the music.

I wanted to tell you that.

It's a common thing for people to say.

Yeah.

So I didn't want to just take that personally, so I let it ride.

But then episode three, you know what I mean?

And I don't think that was about you.

I didn't take it that way.

Then I heard

this one.

I just want to let it be known under normal circumstances, I would charge the volume and boost mobile for this airtime on this broadcast.

But Mark is that's my man.

He wants to let it go for free.

I'm going to oblige.

I'm here with the home team.

We ain't got players.

Just this one time.

No play, don't play, play it, play it, play.

I'm being dramatic.

I'm a dramatic.

Please, please, please.

I don't want to be triggering, though.

I'm trying to be mindful of that.

On five, bro.

I gotta be front row.

So, you want all the cuz somebody you don't like, your enemy, gonna come sit right.

You know, this thing we call that the Joe Button seats.

You know, them second row.

Yo, listen, them second, third row, that ain't, I can't do it.

I gotta sit front row.

I'll give you my experience.

What do you call them seats?

You know, perfect example.

Him and 50 got some shit,

and I'm sitting court side of 50 comes in.

Okay, but he's behind us.

I do still considered flaws.

Listen,

AA and BB.

I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but the man had a little something going on with 50.

And why God put 50 said front row?

And he's in like third row.

Held

off to me.

If I was Joe Buttons,

it happened to me.

Put the S back on your back.

It happened to me before.

When we just squatted.

He didn't bump in the fifth.

Would he have a nice experience?

You got a good seat, but the problem is you got to always expect the enemy might come front.

Well,

I'll stop it there.

So

there's absolutely no logic to his logic.

Whatsoever.

Who was that?

That shit is hilarious.

So, look, I didn't quite follow his logic either.

Yeah, Yeah,

but just call it a second row to Joe Button's seats.

That's fucking.

The second row.

It's not horrible.

So, Mark, I looked at it like that.

And I tried to tell Joe this before myself.

But I would say this.

Because he said it at a podcaster, it came off like, bah!

But if it was a rap bar, it would have just been a rap bar.

I sitting in a second row like Joe Button.

It would have been a rap bar, but it would.

It would still be a pretty hard shot to say, though.

No, it wouldn't.

Second seats, second row is pretty good.

Yeah, there's nothing wrong with everybody.

There's nothing wrong with sitting beats.

Especially when the internet went and found pictures of Fat Joe in row 10 and row 13.

So my only thing that I'm fucking New York, mister Market,

my only response

to Joe would have been, but you're,

I feel like you're the goat of this podcast shit.

You're my nigga, but I always tell you that.

And you really

on the GOAT's floor shooting at him.

Like, nigga, that's the...

That's the AA of podcasters.

He's the fucking, he's the podcast.

Even if he's the BB.

And you in podcasts right now talking about it.

Yeah.

All y'all doing is playing into his hand.

Yeah, that's right.

That's the whole point.

You plays in his hands, he says something, you keep it keep going up.

But I think he knew what he was doing.

How'd you feel when you heard that?

He did it last episode when he went up there and was like, yo, these podcasters, these podcasters, they give us our flowers.

We up here

on the whatever number they debuted on iTunes chart, and nobody gave us our flowers.

I didn't see none of these podcasters.

You know what he's talking about.

Like, you wanted to get, bro, do your thing.

Get to your spot without mentioning that.

Ice, I want to say something.

Now, I'm going to challenge you because I got to call you out now.

I'm going to get you.

What's up?

Call me out.

This is equivalent to the rap beef.

This is just nigga.

I got my pod.

Who is the number one pod?

Nigga, I'm going to shoot at him.

It's the same concept.

It's just that you.

That's interesting.

Cool.

So when that,

I disagree with that a little bit.

I mean, no, no, I get you.

I'm about to say it's the same concept.

If I'm the top nigga in the game and a nigga who's on his first freestyle is shooting at me, I'm not responding to you.

You got to earn a response at least.

Well, I lean in, not back.

I lean in, not back.

You lean into it.

Lean in, not back in.

Not back.

He asked you a question, though.

Give it the dramatic intro.

Come on, you see what your boy.

Look at my boy.

Mike, check, one, two.

Mike, check, mic, check.

AA, nigga, and it's 20.

to the bottom.

Ten toes down.

Yo, let me get that water real quick so I'm able to have a little bit of a damage.

Yo, turn the lights a little bit.

Yo, let me get that channel over there.

Sweat a little bit.

I'm ready.

Yo, we're automatic floater.

Yo, call out the masseuse real quick to masseuse girl.

Call him out.

Come on, come on, mom.

Y'all need a massage.

Bang, lingering on ya, come.

Yeah, that's the master.

That's what I mean.

Stop.

Yo, that's why.

Yo, yo, I didn't say that part.

My girl mailed up in this piece.

How do you feel, man?

Like, Mark asked you.

When you have a paper.

I want to break character for a minute.

Okay.

I want to break character for a minute because

you could have some fun with this.

Or you could use it as a really, really, really teachable moment in front of a really large audience.

So let me be mature and show some discipline and restraint and lead with, I absolutely love Fat Joe.

I have all the respect in the world for Fat Joe.

Bought Flowjoe when it dropped.

Jadicus.

I knew he was going to Flowjoe.

I bought Flowjo when it dropped.

No doubt.

Flowjoe was one of the first instrumentals I spit on in like 93, somewhere around there.

So I got a fire water, all that.

So I have a different level of respect for

not only Fat Joe, but I'm going to always support anything that Jadakiss does.

For sure.

Anything that Kiss does, he has my support.

That's a fact.

Shout out to Jay Wan, shout out to Yonkers.

For me, in my 40s, it's been really important to unlearn stupid hip-hop ideology.

Like, let me start with, there's nothing to even fight about here.

Let's start with, we're talking about a game where the tickets were the most expensive Nick playoff tickets in franchise history.

You argue about tickets like that.

The cheapest ticket in that building was $600, $700, $800.

874, Joe.

It was, yeah,

Knicks fan.

Thanks.

Nick the 874.

That particular game was a lot.

So this is all just like elitist jargon.

I want to start there.

Yes.

Second 4.0 versus 4.6.

Secondly,

secondly.

Well, yeah.

Secondly, the internet is not like a real place.

I would have expected Fat Joe to know that.

I need more than internet fodder to ever assume that there's really beef with somebody.

Me and 50 have over 20 years in.

I never thought that that would escalate.

And if I feel like that, I just need more than some internet chat for me to feel like that, number one.

Number two, if you fight in the garden, you're banned for life.

You're not doing it again.

And if you're tough enough to fight there during a game, then my nigga, I don't assume any of us millionaire, multi-millionaire, nine-figure people to do that at the garden.

I just don't.

The lights is too bright.

And we did a watching game, which is the other brilliant concept I have, which may be hard for people to grasp.

But if I'm at the Knicks game,

it's just because I'm a Knicks fan.

I'm not there for the vanity play.

I'm not there for the celeb celeb role.

I'm not there to be seen.

I'm not in the record label seats.

I'm not in the kith seats.

I'm not in the comp seats.

I'm in the seat that I wanted to purchase, so I bought it.

It's really just that simple.

I'm not with all the extra hoopla out there.

I'm not out here running around moving with the leverage of my management company or trying to be buddy-buddy or friendly with rappers that I'm not really buddy-buddy or friendly with.

I'm the walking embodiment of standing on my own too.

And you know that, which is why you're using my name on your newly established platform, trying to get traction, because I'm the best in the biz.

I recognize that too.

Lastly, I just don't know what Joe button seats mean, and because I have so much relationship equity with Fat Joe, I wait for him to tell me.

I don't want to assume.

On one hand, where I come from, you would want to be seated behind your enemy, if anything.

That's really logical.

That's the part I didn't follow.

You wouldn't want to be seated in front of him.

So

if he was talking about that, I don't really get it, but that's on him.

And lastly, maybe Joe button seats just means sitting behind somebody you make a lot more than.

Until we get clarity on it,

we won't really know.

But be clear, reimagine how y'all mentioned my name in some of these conversations.

I make a lot more than you niggas.

So

if I'm seated behind you, it's by choice enjoying some popcorn with my baby.

I say that with all the respect in the world.

So much love to Fat Joe and Jadakiss.

I'll continue to support their broadcast, and hopefully everyone out there will continue to do the same.

But this is a non-issue, you guys.

Everybody back to work.

Hey, hey, hey, if this is ever, this is a non-starter.

If this ever comes to be something, then we'll address it later.

But Joe and I have talked.

This is non-starter.

Salute to all.

And go nicks, always.

Okay.

What was the thing you call it?

A

moose, bouche.

A bouche boug.

Yeah.

Bougie, bouche.

Reset the palate.

Didn't do it.

Right?

Didn't work the way I thought it would, but you know.

Bougain?

Right, moose doesn't feel bouged, you know?

Yeah, like we gotta be, we gotta be,

it's important to not let things that you see on the internet rile you up while things are going great, man.

That was a non-starter.

Shout out to those boys.

And then it's kind of like the guy in the front talking about the guy in the back of him, the second guy, not knowing that there's 300 other rows behind.

It's like you almost like disrespect those people.

But wait, dog, if I was sitting in a nosebleeds, I'd make more than you.

Like, my seat should never come up in your conversation.

If I was outside in a lawn chair watching on a fucking mobile device,

my seat shouldn't come up in none of y'all's conversations.

That was confusing a little bit, but teachers on.

Anywho's.

How about now, Zebouche Boosh?

There you go.

Now my boochees amused in.

We good now.

All right.

What else is going on in the world?

They got Briss Brown.

They got ice.

Take it away.

Chris Brown, of course.

Ice warrant red.

That was his freaking friend.

Nah, they got him.

Over in United Kingdom.

Picked him up from an old charge, from an incident that occurred in a nightclub back in 2023, I believe.

Way back then.

And as soon as he landed, they were waiting and picked him up.

I don't

understand how they didn't have that situation taken care of or something.

Well, at least have your people

be good.

Nah, sometimes I ain't gonna hold you.

I understand it.

Sometimes things could A, slip through the cracks, or B.

You'll put your team on it, they'll go check, and there'll be a whole nother building that you had to go to.

This happened with me and where was I?

Toronto or some shit where you had to go to a specific building on 6th Avenue to get the clearance.

You could have called every other building in the world and they said you're good.

But if you didn't go over there, they're flagging you over there and we're locking you up.

So sometimes your team don't know that building to get in touch with.

Yeah.

Sometimes the cops are pulling the fast one and they just did it the night before.

They just

snap them.

Like, you don't know.

And he was denied bail.

That's the crazy part.

That's why I'm losing this.

And they're holding him until June when.

July 13th.

Wait, what?

What?

Hold on.

They're holding on to when?

July.

Let me check.

You sure?

Somebody checked that.

I thought I saw June.

No.

And his first show out there is July 10th.

So he'll be in the middle of the day.

You got to be kidding.

I don't know how to know what they're doing.

That is some wild shit right there.

This sounds like they'll get that result.

This sounds like posturing.

The judge said there's too severe bodily harm.

Too serious,

grievous bodily harm case.

I don't want to get it.

Allegedly smashing somebody's head with a shit paint bottle.

Tequila bottle, whatever.

Liquor bottle.

Well, no,

he's ordered to remain in custody till June 13th.

June 13th?

Yes, it's June.

It's New York time.

I'm sorry.

It's still a minute ago.

Very different from July.

Sorry, y'all.

Sorry, y'all.

You're only coming for a concert.

Now you're sitting in jail for a moment.

What?

That is crazy, bro.

You don't even know if you're getting out on June 13th.

You're just going to see a judge.

Yeah, but you know what?

He got to do it.

He has to do it.

he has to go out there if there's charges and he got to get locked up whatever has to be done in these other places while he's eligible for these grammys and while he's getting his uh global star shit back

part of that is i have to go show my face and clear up all of my grievances that is true from the past that is true it's true he his uh first tour um date was scheduled for june 8th in amsterdam it's june 8th right okay you got the month mixed up i'm sorry all right so we'll make you miss one of them damn We'll make you miss that one, maybe.

I bet they get it resolved before the.

You cut the right check.

Have the right people in your pocket that you call the people here.

He's doing stadium tours, though.

Man, but a lot of times the

overseas, they try to set examples.

You got a good manager and ODO.

And somebody said to me that overseas might be mad at us for tariffs.

Oh, shit.

No, you can't take Britain Street to tariff.

Nah, nah, nah.

You can't do that.

That's crazy.

They put a breezy tariff photo?

It took Britney Grinner for less.

Straight up.

That's true.

It took Britney Griner for much less.

Yeah, we could take Chris Brown with the tariff battle.

No, that was for the Archangel of Doom or whatever that dude.

What was his name?

Yeah.

The merchant of the broken to death.

The merchant of death.

Swap him out.

Niggas cut a deal, boy.

Oh, my lord.

Yo, prayers are with Chris Brown.

Yeah, for sure.

Prayers.

Hopefully they get that worked out, especially before it's New York Day, because me and my whole family is going to that.

Yeah.

That's why I had to check.

Wait, wait, wait.

No, we're going to that, Chris Brown.

You crazy?

Mel, you going to Chris Brown?

When is it?

August.

Yep, 12th.

You want to see him hot and ball to bed?

Little young boy you want to?

I thought it was like a.

He dressed us today.

Shut the fuck up.

Yeah, who dressed you today, Mel?

I dressed myself.

Because you dressed like TLC, right?

You dress like you ain't too proud to be.

Yeah.

I like this look on you.

Thank you.

I was going to take that all as a compliment.

I've always been a sucker, though, for the fucking jeans that sag when girls are doing all.

That's cute.

That's cute.

Let's do that shit off.

Thank you.

Thank you.

What else is there?

So we praying for Chris Brown Tory.

Let's get to Tori.

Let's get all the newsy, depressed.

Let's get all the niggas

out of the way.

What's the name of that group?

Unite, Unite, Unite something.

Some group.

Sounds like a Mark question.

Mark don't know because he's Team Meg, so he ain't checking for nothing.

So nothing.

No group trying to help Tori get out.

But anyway, some attorneys came forward and said that Kelsey's bodyguard during the trial

overheard some things.

Unite the people.

There you go.

Unite the people.

Thank you, Freeze.

Unite the People came forward to say that Kelsey's bodyguard during the trial came forward to say that he couldn't sleep any longer knowing that an innocent man was in jail and that he overheard conversations of Kelsey claiming that she was the person to fire that weapon and shoot yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada.

That's what we got.

Doesn't that qualify as hearsay?

And why is he just talking about it now?

Like, I'm just so confused.

He didn't want to protect her anymore, he said.

That's why she's out of hand.

I'm over it.

I'm sorry.

It's ridiculous.

And all right, so

again, he was not charged with shooting her.

But he was charged with assault with a semi-automatic firearm, discharging the firearm.

Oh, he's basically charging negligence.

So what I'm saying is that, Freeze, if his fingerprints was not on the firearm, then that means that these trial, these charges should be dropped or shouldn't be filed in the first place.

If his fingerprint was not on the firearms, that means that

he didn't assault with a semi-automatic firearm and he didn't discharge a firearm with gross negligence.

Yeah, everything that Flip said,

also on the last day of the trial,

his bodyguard was supposed to take the stand, but

due to somebody saying they would, prosecution saying they would need more time with him, which would delay things, Tory and them chose for the bodyguard to not hit the stand.

I think that was a grave mistake, one.

Also, all of this coincides with the reporting from the neighbor that was not allowed, which said,

I saw two girls tussling.

She fired off, and a man came and yada, yada, yada.

So

I don't think that this helped Tory, but it's funny how when it's the man that's the victim and trying to protect a black woman, nobody gives a fuck if he goes to jail for 10 years and is railroaded.

But I learned that three, four years ago post-pandemic about y'all, so I don't even talk about it no more.

But a lot of people with a brain thought that it was more likely that two chicks found out they was fucking the same nigga and one of them shot the other one

versus uh two chicks found out they were fucking with the same dude and the dude shot one of them in the foot

do with that what you will he's away i don't think he's coming home yeah he's that's what i got for you there this is what i say to the first part i agree he he wasn't charged with assault with a deadly weapon but he was charged and convicted of possession of a weapon discharging a weapon and assault with the weapon but that wasn't his weapon And some people know that.

And it don't have to be his weapon.

And he didn't catch those charges.

You know that.

Say that again?

It didn't have to be his weapon to catch those charges.

Yeah, I'm not saying it was his weapon.

Okay, but I'm railroaded if whoever's weapon it was has immunity.

That's a different

question.

I'm railroaded if that happens.

We just always ignore the railroad

and not saying that that means not guilty.

I'm just talking about a railroad.

A railroad means I should get a retry.

On what basis?

I'm just trying to follow.

Well, he was, well, Tori was arguing that his representation was incompetent.

Oh, that's a different issue.

Yeah.

Oh, absolutely.

I agree with you.

I support due process.

I want to get as many trials.

Tori's going to find, well, it's his job now, right, to find as many reasons to try to get a new trial as possible.

Yeah.

I find, here's what I,

I have found that the people who defend Tory Lanes

have

passionately misrepresented what happened in that courtroom and what the evidence was.

And

for me, when I hear more information, I always have to double and triple check it.

Not because I have an investment in who goes to jail or not, but because I've just not found it to be credible.

In the case of this person who overheard somebody saying that they did something,

I can't say he's lying or not.

It's hard for me to believe, though, that this person is just coming forward now.

And it's hard for me to believe that Tori Lane's never explicitly said on trial, Kelsey shot the weapon.

He fucked himself.

And it's hard for me to...

Actually, he said the opposite.

It's hard for me.

She did not.

Right.

So now, and he, so for this new person to be telling the truth, it means Kelsey, it means that Tori had to have lied about who the real shooter was.

Which he could say, I was under the instructions from my counsel, which was poor counsel.

Right.

Or sometimes things are what they look like.

And so it's hard for me to believe that he sat there on trial, knowing he was looking at 10 years, knowing who the shooter was, seeing the shooter, being there with the shooter, and not only didn't identify the shooter, but said the opposite, said that wasn't the shooter.

That seems implausible to me.

The outside person, notwithstanding, I'm not one of those people that only wants to listen to.

I've been fighting for Mumiy Abu Jamal's liberation since 1980.

And people have come forward and said, I was the shooter.

I saw the shooter.

And I've heard people reject our claims because they say, why would somebody come later?

I'm not that person that says, just

because it ain't my person, I won't listen to them.

That's not my point.

I've been fighting for 35 years for justice for Roddy Roddy Piper, nigga.

It's not going to happen.

As long as he wears that skirt, it ain't.

I'm going to put a guy.

Rest in peace.

No, no, I'm talking shit right now, of course.

But

still, Marcus Sands.

Yeah, I'm not like, fuck that guy because he's not, because I'm Team Meg.

It's not that.

It just doesn't, it doesn't fit.

To me, logically, it doesn't fit with what I think would happen.

I disagree with that, but I do agree he didn't do himself favors.

Why he didn't do himself favors?

Even prior to the trial, he didn't do himself favors.

He just did.

I made a lot of

bad bro.

That first phone call.

I get that first phone call.

It's a lot of shit.

I'm not getting gunpowder on everybody.

Pull down, pull down, pull down.

I'm about to say, I have not seen one person ever go to jail for 10 years for shooting a ground in their graves in someone.

I felt the sentence was longer than the crime.

Who's the woman that shot up in the...

Marissa Alexander.

She actually ended up hitting somebody though, but

what's that?

Are you talking about Sean?

I didn't hear you.

No, no, no, no, the woman.

Marissa Alexander, the woman who shot the warning shot in the ceiling, and there's a whole thing.

No, I would just say, I don't think the crime.

So I think my point is this, I don't think Tori thought they're going to give me 10 years for a cut on the foot.

I really don't think he thought that.

I thought it was the same thing.

Like, yo, we had some friends, shit went bad, we celebrities, so we know better now because shit blew up.

And now it's like, nigga, I'm doing 10 years.

And I like both these girls.

I like both the girls.

Not me.

I'm saying him.

I have relationships with both of these women.

I don't want to see, if there's a way for all of us to get out of this, Scott Frieden, I'd rather that option.

I just think that they turned on him faster than he realized, and

he never caught up.

But do I believe that Tori Lane shot Megan?

I've said this a million times already, so y'all don't need me to say it again.

I'm confident that he did.

I'm not a big prison person, as y'all know.

I don't know if 10 years is the right sentence.

I would say

I would say it isn't.

Like, three years feels like fair, but I think there's a lot of ways to resolve this.

I don't know if put him in a cage for taking away.

But why do you think it's more plausible that Tori did it versus Kelsey?

Based on the witnesses, based on the fact that he said Telsey.

The witnesses that they allowed.

I'm talking about him.

He said Kelsey didn't do it.

Yeah.

Okay.

But are you talking about the witnesses that they allowed, including himself?

Yes.

I'm talking about everybody.

Are you talking about what everybody's initial plan was, which was, hey, let's find the neighbor, let's let that person testify, and let's let the only other person that was there, the bodyguard testify.

You're not looking at that.

Because they didn't hit the stand.

I'm looking at.

all the evidence we've had access to.

And I'm saying...

What did your Philadelphia brain tell you?

My Philadelphia brain.

Like, I don't do well when we start talking in court TV.

But take all the legal shit off the table.

My gut, just what some hood shit is.

I think he shot the gun.

I think he was drunk.

I think he did some wild shit.

I suspect Megan Kelsey had some other shit going on.

I know they got into some kind of physical argument.

There could be more messiness.

Put like this.

I think there's more messiness to this case than the court proceedings would suggest.

But at the end of the day, I feel very confident that he shot that gun.

Yeah, but that didn't answer my question.

But that didn't answer.

You from outside and you know

a lot of things are gunpowder on his hands.

He could have been fighting to get the gun from her and got the gunpowder on his hands.

I don't know what to mean.

She could have got out, shot that gun.

Oh, shit.

Give me, give me, what are you doing?

Give me.

No one got it.

You don't think he was going to bother me.

He wouldn't let that happen and then say she ain't doing on the stand.

If I'm trying to protect everybody.

I don't see it.

See, and that's how

it's going to be.

I don't think niggas fall under that kind of pressure and they don't actually.

No, but that's just because they know they like if you got bad representation and they're telling telling you, yo, we can beat this, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

All right, cool.

She's going to make it out.

She's going to make it out.

And then I'll be fine.

Okay,

if your lawyer is Ernest J.

Fry, I don't care who you got, the worst lawyer ever.

You are

not going to tell your client

we have exculpatory, we have the shooter, you saw the shooter, we know the shooter.

Say, not only don't snitch, but also say that wasn't the shooter.

Even the worst lawyer in the world ain't doing that.

That's all I'm saying.

Yeah, but that's false.

That's not true.

His attorney could have very well been saying to him, like many people were saying publicly at the time, I think we got this covered.

I don't think we even need the testimony of your bodyguard.

I think with some of the findings of the gun

shit.

Because Joe, you remember, that would explain why he doesn't snitch on her.

That does explain why he would deny that he would actually

effectively perjure himself to put himself in the crime, not out of the crime.

Well, because the story that he was...

He put that shit on an Instagram comment.

He perjured himself.

He just literally was replying to somebody again.

I'm trying to keep this shit clean and keep it off everybody.

Yo, that was not true.

No, she did not.

She didn't do that.

Katie, Mark, I didn't know what

to do.

What consciousness of that was going to be?

That's interesting.

I think a mistake.

I think a gun.

I think, regardless of what happened,

I think a gun went off.

No one really got hurt.

Everybody's going to be fine.

And then the other emotional things occurred, and that's what really drove him to go to jail.

I think that if they was all still friends and it was a mistake, it would have been like, no, we don't know what happened.

And to me, that was my only problem.

Like, you was

you wanted to go at the ground you wanted to put him in even though mind you maybe an inch over somebody would have been dead but it wasn't so at that moment it should have been like well it was a bad mistake let it go sentence probation but 10 years i think 10 years is way too much i think on on on his side they thought they were coming up with a story where everybody would be okay yeah and reasonable doubt it didn't yeah all we got to do is prove reasonable doubt that we don't know what happened so we can't even her getting the immunity would be part of the reasonable doubt and what i think happened was why she needed immunity that should tell y'all something right there.

That's when I would have folded on her.

It's true.

The second she got immunity, I would have folded on her.

Yep.

Unless she didn't do it.

Then you can't fold her.

If she didn't do it, I would still fold on her.

Oh, you said,

I'm trying to save my accent.

The only other person that could have done it did it.

Somebody crazy.

Some niggas got to keep it real, as they say.

Guess what I'm saying?

I think that's what it comes down to.

What would have happened to his reputation if he would have basically snitched at a girl?

Exactly.

Like, he might not have a career.

It's a trick bag, no matter what, for him.

I know, and that's where the and that's where

let me queue up the ledge, Carl.

Let me cue up the ledge because Ray said it, but I'm gonna say it again.

I don't want to trigger nobody.

I grew up on a sidewalk sidewalk while I was talking to the talk.

I'm over dark.

I go to Queens for Queens to get the food for broken.

They're only in Mahatma and never been took it.

Go uptown to the ball, slowly down.

Cause no more the island recommend

There's more risk than reward when it comes to protecting women for men.

Say more words.

Nope.

Not wrong.

Nope.

I will not.

You will not shaft me.

But there's more risk than reward when it comes to that

presuming that his story is true hey i popped two of them one of them tried to kill the other one

i stopped her grabbed it knocked her hand down meg was turned around we all was pissy drunk leaving the pool party for them to get jammed up like that

and why and and i don't there might be more risk and reward i mean i think doing the right thing always comes with more risk and reward that's why more people don't do it right so yeah i'm i might not disagree with you on that point, but why would, if that story is true, right?

She's mad at the girlfriend for

fucking homeboy, they scrapping, they doing whoop-de-whoop.

Why would it be important to her to frame him and

she shot her?

And it's hypothetical.

Why would she be trying so hard to let her off the hook?

Well,

I don't want to say she, right?

Because the stories say that it's greater than Meg and none of this is her plan.

The story puts puts this in other hands that I won't say.

So it's not about Meg.

Meg is a helpless victim here.

Meg has absolutely no control over story, her words, none of that.

Like Stockholm?

No.

No, no.

No shit.

We're talking about it.

No.

Power dynamics.

Power dynamics.

Okay.

That's a stretch to me, but I get the argument.

I just don't buy it.

I'm not making it.

I'm not qualified to make it.

I think everybody knew what happened.

He got railroaded.

Niggas was like, that's fucked up.

But he seemed like he hold his head up.

He seemed good.

And then he got stabbed.

And it was like, hold up.

This nigga might have got killed.

And then it's like, see, now that's too far.

That's where I jump off the conspiracy theory bandwagon.

I do not believe that his stabbing is at all related to the new evidence that they were about to release.

But it came with the best.

It can go the other way around.

I do, G.

It can go the other way around.

You know what you think?

Let me ask you a question first before we ask this first.

Okay.

What shape is that object on the table?

It's round.

Okay, just making sure.

Because we go out of conspiracy theory training.

I gotta know how far.

Nah, bro, I'm not a conspiracy at all.

Tell me why you think that's the most plausible reason.

It was just a timing thing.

It's like Cassie been trying to get money from Puffy Won't Pay.

Drop the lawsuit, pay in 24 hours.

So to me, it was just like a timing.

Like, Tori Lane gets stabbed up in jail.

Oh, my God.

He got stabbed 14 times, seven punctured lung, critical condition.

That shit tends to like get consciousness in people.

Like, damn.

Or, you know what I mean?

Like, or he got stabbed.

And his team said, let's try to get out.

Let's try to get early release.

Let's say it.

Let's do all the shit you do when you got public sympathy for the first time.

True.

By the way, that could be either.

But I do believe that the news and the stabbing were connected.

Oh, I don't doubt that they're considering.

That's what I'm saying.

I'm just saying, I don't think there's a mission to silence the evidence.

I think he's like, oh, shit, this might be an opportunity to make something.

But some people were saying it in reverse as the conspiracy, as they knew this was coming, and this is why the stabbing occurred.

And that's what you were saying.

That's what the conspiracy was.

Whoever.

Oh, okay.

Whoever knew that this was about to come out.

They wouldn't take him out.

Take him out before this comes out.

That's what I thought you were saying.

Now I said that.

That's a great theory.

I was just young.

I'm not going to popped my head, but that's a great theory, too.

I'm going to do the other way, though.

That's a crazy theory, though.

That is crazy to me.

No, but how is that?

That's that invested in Tory Layer.

No, they are.

They are.

Who's they?

To me, I think the system is.

I think that, listen, I think there's a clear-cut attack on hip-hop and black men in hip-hop.

Anytime you're a cool nigga, it's attack on you.

I just, it's like, it's obvious.

Like, Tori lays in jail for 10 years for somebody who got shot the floor and a woman voice.

Don't get me wrong, all wrong, but 10 years, my nigga.

And let me add on to what Ray is saying, even though I just jumped in and crucified online for whatever.

I'm going to tell you part of that.

I agree with Mark.

I don't think the powers to be are so invested in Tori.

I just think at the time of this whole kerfuffle, there was a lot more money to be made on the Meg side.

And anybody that can stop that money, well, yeah, now a lot is at stake.

I don't think Tori was that important.

I think Tori being the cog that could maybe stop that other money train is why it was important.

And that's why I think why he's important.

It's people like, we need that nigga staying right where he at.

I mean, I just think they did it, though.

They got him.

They got him.

I don't think they need to send prison stabbings to keep him in prison.

He's staying in the middle of the station.

The story that's floating around now is that.

First of all,

we're in the information age, so I know more than I want to know.

I didn't want to know the charges of the dude that stabbed Tori.

I never asked for that.

Right.

I never asked for that.

So thank y'all for telling me that he took a shotgun and

I won't even say

and he was a pedophile.

Awesome.

But apparently, the word word got my side that Tory got disrespectful on a visit.

With his wife, yeah, on a visitor.

Yeah, with his wife, and that's how it came about.

I'm not in there.

I don't know what to believe.

It's a lot of rumors.

I don't know.

I just pray that Tori is okay.

And it's unfortunate.

It's unfortunate.

I think him being in there is unfortunate.

I think him leaving the radio station freestyle to go to Kylie House because it sounded like a good time.

Again, discipline.

Discipline.

They're going to get most of you niggas through your fucking penis.

And the devil is going to call with something that sounds like a blast.

He gonna call with a pool party with your favorite vixens, your favorite models, some drugs and ecstasy, all that shit that they'll later take you to court for.

So you have to be careful.

You have to be careful.

That's what I got for black men out there.

Like, be careful now, cry later.

Cry later.

What y'all got for DDG?

That's the one where my age kind of caught up for me.

I don't know all of the details with DDG.

So the latest is that

his partner, Hallie Bailey, or former partner,

filed for solo custody,

temporary physical and legal custody of their son, Halo.

She says that DDG

abused her both emotionally and physically.

And because of those allegations, she has been granted that custody.

Of course, the internet always has their opinions on what that means or the why of it.

And I think there's a temporary, yep, there's also

a temporary restraining order where he has to remain over 100 yards away from both her and the baby.

And that expires on the court hearing date, which is June 4th.

See, this is my thing.

If he did those things, then get DDG the fuck out of here.

But if he didn't do those things, there's a clear blueprint and pamphlet that's being handed out to women as how to railroad a nigga that they're trying to railroad.

It's the easiest way.

If I want full custody, I don't want this nigga to see the kid.

I want him to lose all rights and privileges.

Then

when I file this shit that I'm about to file,

I'm about to to say a whole bunch of nasty things and when you get your lawyer he'll tell you that those things are for public finding so true or not it's gonna read hey he did x y and z and that's gonna make you look away there's no way for an innocent man to win in this i'm not speaking on whether he's innocent or not i do not know i'm glad you said i was gonna say my only thing is is that it doesn't matter the world's gonna hate the world's gonna hate ddg he's a monster fuck him he needs to die he needs to go away and they're gonna go and he has to go through all of this process So for me, I just wish that we can get back to the place where we give.

And it feels like it's a man thing.

Like, men, the due process of like finding all of the things rather than just automatically painting them as a bad pitcher.

Because to me, it's like, it's like we, we all, we be with the shit sometimes too.

We do it together.

So, but for some reason, it's like with Bobby and Whitney.

It was, everybody was like, Bobby got on drugs.

And after Whitney goes, and everybody's like,

Bobby was like, I was the lightweight.

But it's like, but look at how much Bobby Career suffered because they thought that he was that.

So to me, it's like.

Niggas ain't weighing the risk when they're dating Angel Face.

She just Angel Face, beautiful, young, world loves her.

Nobody would ever think that Angel Face could be on bullshit.

If that's the case.

If that's the case, if that's the case.

And this is where, for me, the believe women conversation has to begin.

And this is what I mean.

Because people often hear when I say believe women, that means believe all women at all times under all circumstances.

And that is not the case.

For me, it is, though, let's begin from a presumption of

honesty and innocence from the person making the claim.

That same benefit should be given to men.

It's just we, that's not usually a struggle.

That's not what we do.

So, you know,

if a dude calls and says certain things happen, we may be more inclined to buy it.

You know, not the courts, I'm talking about us in our society.

Courts don't listen to men, black men, very often at all.

We don't either.

Right.

And so, when in this case, I would say, let's investigate.

Let's find out what really happened.

But if she says that she's been physically and emotionally abused, and emotional abuse can be more complicated too, because that can be, you know, there's relationships, and every relationship is somebody who's probably saying they've been emotionally abused, right?

And not to dismiss it, just say it's complicated.

But if she says, this motherfucker's hitting me, and I feel unsafe, I don't want to begin from a presumption that she's not telling the truth.

And I think what I'm seeing online is

a lot of people beginning getting in from that place that this is spite, this is this, this is this.

And again, I don't doubt that they're relationships.

I see this.

I see what Mark's saying.

Mark, there's too many situations of women crying wolf, Mark.

There's too many situations of women crying wolf.

And hold on, these things keep coming out.

So it's hard for you to just look at somebody and say, oh, she's completely innocent.

You know what I mean?

I'm not statistically sorry, Seven.

There's probably more cases of domestic violence than there are.

Yes, that's back in the day.

It's not back in the days.

No, wait, stop.

Because y'all do this a lot, and then it cuts.

Give me a second.

I'm not talking about the domestic violence issue.

I'm talking about right now on the internet, on the internet, currently, there are a lot of false reports that's happening against men and men

that are in position.

They're finding it is happening currently.

Domestic violence, of course, is still going on.

Of course, since back in the days, women hired.

They're scared to leave.

They end up going back home, and a lot of things, the worst things happen to them.

I'm not negating that.

I'm just saying right now, with social media being involved, there are a lot of cases that's coming out where people are lying.

Women are lying on men.

I just want to make that point clear.

I would like to add to

Flip's point, but I want to take the focus off of the women and put it on the attorneys of women.

Like,

that's a big business, right?

That's where a lot of the shit that we, the attorneys come in and say, what are you trying to get done?

This is the way to get that done.

The Then attorneys come in and encourage certain things to be said on these reports, especially if it's a man with some type of clout or power.

Hey, we just talked about, you just brought it up.

Wayne kicking old girl out of the house.

What if she went to a lawyer first before the internet?

I do you know what I mean because Mark just said the other day, yo, some of the things that come along with Tony Busby, I look at with a different eye.

Well, why do we look at it with a different eye?

Because we know that there's attorneys out there that's playing certain games and using people, most times women, as pawns to get their shit off.

That should not negate the women that this actually happened to.

Exactly.

Yeah.

But my only thing is, is that we just got to get to a place where men are losing things and collapsing before we even go through the process.

And to me, it's like, and let me tell you something, bro, this really happened to me.

I know these guys ain't smart.

I really think I'm smart.

Like, you can't, I'm going.

I'm ready ahead.

So one of my, a girl I'm in a relationship with, very known girl, comes to my hotel room because she think I got a girl there.

I don't want to let her in.

And then I let her.

I'm like, there's no girl in here.

So she pushes the door open and she attacks me.

She attacks me the whole time.

We in my hotel room.

As much as I'm getting attacked, Joe the Virgo and me is saying, Ray, say something loud.

So I'm saying, stop hitting me.

Stop throwing stuff at me.

Stop hitting me.

What are you doing?

So when the police come, because they came to the room and she's like, he, he, he, they said all they heard was a man yelling for a woman to stop hitting him.

That's why I got off.

Now imagine I wasn't smart to do that.

That was my first day at Epic Records, my first A ⁇ R meeting I just didn't want to be around her and I want to focus on my shit and she thought I had a girl came and attacked me and all that happened and guess what I'm just and I'm I'm like yo this can go bad she's hitting me I'm just like somebody here these dudes ain't young enough to understand it you got to remember something

and it's not saying who's right who's wrong but let's be clear DDG is connected to whoever he's connected to, but it's not as strong as the people that Haley is connected to.

Same with Megan Thee Stallion and Torrey Lane.

So let's stop acting like there are people that are like, I know how to get around this, but we got to hit first.

And this is how we hit.

And it's unfair.

But I'm telling you, and that same chick tried to ruin my career, told everybody he hit me, he did this.

It was a lie.

It was a lie.

And guess what I had to do?

I went and got her back in front of all of them just to show them she was lying.

So now I'm at the table with her again, like we together.

And they're looking like, what is he doing here if he was that person?

Nigga, I wasn't.

She was lying.

She just wanted y'all to hate me because she know I got the goal and she don't.

That really be happening sometimes.

Sorry.

Dog, I could talk for hours on my experiences.

But women be out out here trying to get you.

You meet a chick, they want money.

It's natural.

And by the way, men trying to get women.

We all trying to get each other.

We trying to get what we want and they trying to get what they want.

But what I'm saying is that everybody's not all, one side is not all guilty and one side is not all innocent.

And I'm like a fan of yours.

When you came in, but the funny, the thing I like the most about you, I went to talk to you because I'm like, this nigga always takes the women's side.

Like, damn, like, can a man, like, Mark,

I love Mark, but I'm like, he always takes the woman's side.

Some tight-ass hoodies.

And listen, if he's a man and he says he's a trans man, she's going to take his side anymore even more because it's a woman.

You take that.

And I'm just like, Mark, we are black men are being attacked, and you are one of the biggest voices out here.

And what I'm saying is that if you don't give a voice a reason, one of the smart ones, I'm gonna look at it as an ignorant nigga, but you're a smart one.

So if you don't give reason, nigga, you just allowing them the real road.

As many of our black men as possible.

What have I ever said?

No, Mark, Mark, when a woman, Mark, you always say I'm with a woman.

I'm with her.

That's why I knew you were.

That's why I'm brought up.

I'm like, I can't wait to hear Mark on Scott.

I don't think that's the case.

But have you ever seen me take an unreasonable position on an issue between men and women?

I'm a fan of yours.

I don't think I'm going to be able to do that.

But it feels like it's always, if a man did it, he's the piece of shit.

You feel like that's what happened in this conversation today?

Nah, not right now, but I wanted to get your thoughts.

That's why I brought it up.

Because right now, you're not watching the clip.

You're watching the whole conversation.

A lot of times it's nuance.

Yeah, for sure.

No, that's true.

That's true.

But that's why I wanted to get your opinion on it.

But at the same time, I'm telling you, as brilliant as you are, at some point in time, as black men, because you got to look at, listen.

I worked in the music business and for 15 years of my career, I was clear, Joe.

I didn't know I was black.

I was the black guy that did business with everybody.

So when you get in those rooms, you start hearing how they try you, how they drop notes.

So it's a really slick, like, what they call passive aggressive way of putting things in the air, saying, how Joe gonna feel for this?

So they'll be in the staff meeting and be like, Jay-Z is really not gonna let anybody make money with him.

So why we do business with him?

A white man says that.

What is he?

What do you think he's saying that for?

He's trying to read the room.

Let me see how these motherfuckers are going to react so I can know how far I could take it.

So when you just like, yeah, he did it.

They're like, well, the educated man is saying he did it.

We can all say when you should say, let's go through the due process.

I love Haley.

I love DDG, but I always look at who's connected to who because they were young and in love.

Somebody was in the house, like, this is how we're going to handle this.

DDG is a little nigga that just wants to fucking stream.

That's all he wants to do, is stream and rap.

I don't know what she is.

And by the way, if you follow DDG, he talks about music, streaming, and his children.

All he cares about.

So at some, and another thing, remember, I used to say that he couldn't have done those things.

No, that's my point.

I'm not saying that at all.

I don't want to say that.

And I didn't say he didn't.

I mean, he he did, right?

I began by saying, this is why I begin from a presumption that anybody, male or female, man or woman, I begin from, if you say that you were abused, I begin from a premise of believing you, but also investigating so we can find out.

I don't think we should ever not investigate.

Thank you for that.

I don't think we should ever say just because you said it is true.

But historically,

when it comes to sexual assault in particular, if a woman said it, we begin from a presumption of

prove you're not lying.

Exactly.

As opposed to

what was your initial reaction to Jesse Smollett?

Same as it is now.

You know,

I'm trying to avenge that ugly attack that happened to him, and I've gone looking for the MAGA people myself to help

liberate.

Yo, Joe's face was half the room.

I love it.

Half the room was like, this motherfucker.

I know.

I ain't going to hold you.

I'm like, it can't be us.

That's MAGA.

It can't be us.

I love it.

Jesse and I are very, very cool.

Yo, your network.

Yo,

hold up.

Did you DM him when it first happened?

Yes.

No, I called him.

Oh, my God.

Yo, get Miz the fuck out of here, bro.

The more.

It was almost like the Chappelle.

I mean, I'll be honest with you.

I mean, I had two thoughts.

One, my first thought, I spent a lot of time in Chicago.

I've been in Chicago June 1st, by the way, checked me out there.

Also, be in St.

Sabina all the night.

Oh, God.

That was a.

But I go to Sabina.

I mean, I go to Chicago in June for a reason because it's cold as fuck in Chicago

between September and like the day before I get there in June.

Right.

Work.

And then it's hot as balls from June.

Facts.

Yes, yes, yes.

So when he said at 3 a.m.

He went to Subway and he walked for hours to get, especially a Subway Sun.

No, you're not walking the Subway.

Who the fuck?

Not even Uma.

I'm not walking to the car.

It's Chicago.

So it had nothing to do with race.

Nothing to do with sexual rivalry.

Where'd you stand on that Kevin Hart car accident?

Kevin and I grew up like two blocks from each other.

What?

Mark, I'm from Philadelphia.

That's my answer.

That's your bias.

I understand the question there.

That's your bias.

I'm telling you.

I'm my man, Miz.

Shout out to Kev.

That's my nigga, man.

Shout out to Kev.

I didn't investigate that story.

I don't even know anything about it.

I don't know the details.

Because we were so close, I was worried about his health.

Good saving.

That's all I cared about.

Thank God he was okay.

But when it came to justice, yeah, I mean, when I thought about that for more than 35 seconds, I was like, something, honestly, it just didn't make sense to me.

I said, first of all, I said, there's only one thing I'm leaving a hotel in Chicago for pre-marriage at 3 a.m.

And that is

coming to you.

Right, but I mean, but I could at least imagine a circumstance where I would go walking for some pussy at 3 a.m.

when I was single.

For a subway,

and you were 21 too.

Yeah, I'm talking about my 20s, not my third.

I'm saying, like, right, but he's younger than me, too.

So I was like, you know,

maybe.

No, I didn't want to say that because you're a smart man.

I don't want each other, but he did it.

I'm like, no, he didn't.

I did that a lot.

And it was a bad choice.

It's always a bad choice to do that.

But I was like, he's too smart, too, much money, and it's too fucking cold in Chicago.

So I then said, I went from a thing of I believe

Subway, why?

And Subway.

Right.

That was the other thing.

And nobody's doing that for Subway.

No.

Sandwiches ain't that damn good.

Right.

And the daytime ain't that good.

At all.

So I was like, then

I'm going to focus more on supporting him.

And

I did the first interview with him.

I heard enough, brother.

No, no, no.

I didn't.

I

I did I did the first interview with him on and during the pandemic about this

and I focused on the support was the due pro again It's fucked I don't believe him I didn't believe him, but I also didn't think he should go to jail for it

It just wasn't that big of a it just wasn't that big of a crime to be for the state to be investing this much in anybody

Yeah, I'm an abolitionist, but I'm saying even if I believed in jail just it just seemed like a lot of resources to spend for a nigga who made a false police report.

That's all I'm saying.

It just seemed like a lot.

Oh my god, I love you.

I just gotta ask you, do you think that is a lot for what Tori is in jail for what happened for the crime?

Do you think it's a lot?

Remember, I started with.

Okay, perfect.

I just make it.

I think 10 years is way too much.

Okay, that's because to me, that's my only problem is that

hate you so much, and it's like, dog, he don't.

I'm not saying niggas don't deserve to be punished, but y'all be wanting to hang him from a tree.

You don't think Tori played into some of that?

Of course he did.

And I think that's part of why he went to jail.

But what I'm saying is that 10 years ago.

He didn't show no type of, like, he went in there arrogant.

I'm being honest with you, antagonizing.

I think he really thought to himself.

Don't smoke your dumb ass for the ice, ice.

And I love Tori music.

I really thought to himself, man, nobody got hurt.

What the fuck are they gonna really do?

They just trying to scare me.

I really believe that he thought that.

And then we got that 10 years.

It's like, hold the fuck up.

Y'all was serious?

Nobody even got hurt for real.

Like, I really think that's why he hurt enough.

I mean, you know, I get it.

Now y'all stuck with Meg music.

Good for y'all.

He's still dry.

He's still,

we still getting together.

Now y'all stuck with them slaps.

Have at it.

More coming.

Some of these

cobras are some shit.

Rattles are some shit.

Tori's still holding us down.

Hey, good.

Hey, you're all right.

Social justice.

Hey,

now listen to that rattlesnake shit.

You need shit, man.

Fuck y'all.

Hey, buddy.

And that's the bottom line.

They gonna kick my ass.

I don't give a fuck, nigga.

I won.

I won.

I don't give a fuck.

Holy shit.

Oh, man.

Yo, I'm so glad Mark came here early.

It's my pleasure.

Yo, we would not have been able able to do none of this without that bitch-ass nigga's dance that you take on that boy.

Makes him do it for Mark.

Hey, Mason doing it for Mark, man.

He killed that shit.

Oh, man.

Mark is always for whoever he thinks is the weakest.

Mark is on the side.

Mark don't play, boy.

Nah, hold up.

They play with me.

Who is that?

It's Mark to my hill, pussy.

Shout out out to Mark.

That clip is so funny to me.

Nah, you was in your bed.

My boy Mark.

They're not used to Mark talking like that.

They're used to hearing him speaking about Al Jazeera and

Gaza.

You know what I mean?

All this shit.

Right and shit.

Hey, yo.

What's up, Queen Slip?

What a nitty.

There's a lot of niggas out here turning up.

You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, dog.

A lot of niggas out here turning up making airwaves.

We had a great episode.

We don't need this, but go.

I mean, they turned up making airwaves, and I just feel like

I feel like we should show love.

Yeah, show love.

To do it.

You don't need to qualify.

Just do it.

Show love.

It's not about qualification, but it's about.

But the person that needs to show love is you.

But I do think that we should show love, man.

The niggas turn up out there.

Them niggas on fire.

Niggas, flames.

Niggas walking flames.

You know what I'm saying?

And

I think that.

Off air, we were talking about Cardi responding to Rory and Boy.

Who?

Rory and Ock.

And I said, listen.

And what'd you say?

I like what Rory is doing out there.

I ain't going to lie to you.

I like what.

Just Rory.

No, not just Rory.

Don't be stupid.

Rory and Demaris.

I like what Rory and Demaris.

I like what Rory and Demaris is doing out there.

I like it.

They're heating up.

They're heating up.

You know what I mean?

Anything from the Joe tree, I want the floor, the branches should be long, extended.

Did you ever let them know that?

Did you speak to Rory or anyone?

No.

Okay.

No, I haven't.

I mean, you know, it won't be the...

That won't be the first time you deal with something.

I never did that.

You dealing with the same shit with that Queen's Flip nigga, huh?

I've never spoken to anybody.

You dealing with the same shit with Queen Flip.

I don't know what you're talking about.

I got a song everybody.

My name is.

My name is Tall, nigga.

My name is.

I don't want to say fall.

Yo, Ray Daniels almost made Ray Daniels.

Let me let the audience know.

Ray Daniels and Amani almost made me mad.

They showed you a picture.

I think we had a great episode.

We did.

Credit.

Mark Lamont came in here early.

Let me let the audience know, because y'all be hyped when Mark is here on a Friday main.

This is a solid when he does that.

When he comes in on a Friday Main,

I'm going to pay you.

Okay.

I know we never spoke about it, but I ain't going to pay you.

Say, let's.

I ain't going to fight.

All right.

I spoke to Mark yesterday.

I was like, if you can make it, I'm not the most distinguished when it comes to charges against black men I ain't I'm about to say something foul to trigger Mel and we about to argue and fight Mark is like thank you

to my dude bro thank you man

mark that's a that's that's gonna be a stick up with a flashlight in the daytime boy you deserve it be a stick up you deserve it yeah both deserve it Mark does deserve it.

He deserves to get stuck up, and he deserved to get paid.

Thank you, Flip.

It was a good energy today.

Yeah, no, no, don't change the subject real quick, though.

Oh.

He almost got you mad because he showed you something, right?

And you were able to

maneuver through it.

But I'm just letting you know, you got a big problem in your hands with this Queen's Flip boy.

I'm telling you, I'll let you know right now.

You think you got a problem in hand with them other niggas?

This boy right here?

I have Queens Flip locked into a 2027 at a locked rate.

Are you?

Oh, shit.

I like a bone to you.

Watch your fucking mouth.

I like a bone to you niggas.

Watch your video.

Fuck you.

I like Isaac Hayes.

I like Isaac Hayes and with the niggas.

What's that show we watch with that the niggas dirty?

With Isaac Hayes and the niggas back in the day.

Stacks.

Y'all like stacks, nigga?

Watch your fucking mouth.

Yo,

I'm letting y'all.

Yo, yo,

Danny Elevation, who else?

Yo.

I want to see clips.

I have Queens flip at a fixed rate till 2027.

Hey, actually, that's what we should call it.

Queens fixed.

Oh, shit.

Not Queens flip.

You in your bag?

It's at locked rate till 2027.

Now, we do got to deal with when he has a hard out like today.

When he says, yo, I'm leaving, we got to deal with that.

But we got to deal with it till 2027.

Make some noise.

Make some noise.

Are you queen?

Mark, I'm going to lock in this summer.

I'm going to do like the Philadelphia Eagles and pay him ahead of time.

I'm paying him sooner than when we're supposed to pay him.

But he's been such a tremendous fucking adventure.

So it'll be right off him.

It'll be a right off at the end?

It won't be a write-off.

We sure?

Yeah, no.

I'm watching a lot of your moves, nigga.

Now,

coming off?

For us to be able to afford Mark, because Mark is taking this from the Joe Button Everyday Struggle Stick Up Complex so we could do a Friday show move.

Mark is doing the Joe Button move.

I'm letting y'all know that in 2026, some of your favorite personalities will be here via Zoom.

Now, we got to make room.

We have to pay Mark.

One thing that can't happen is we can't tell Mark we don't have it.

And the new couches.

And the new couches.

And it's nine of y'all.

Everybody don't need a voice.

So

some voices will be made available via Zoom.

You know what I mean?

And for 2026, woo!

You know what it is, people?

Hold on.

All right, I got something.

Y'all been sleeping.

Hush up, nigga.

You know what it is?

The nigga realized he could do it with less in his mind.

You know when shit start to kick in, he starts to look around and shit.

Yeah, nigga might have, even though it's moving how it's moving, he got to figure some shit out.

And I'm just sitting here watching it.

I'm on the rod.

Nigga, this shit like Joe Flags, nigga.

Huh?

What's the shit that just took down the Cobra Car?

What the fuck?

King DeCon, nigga.

Cobra Car.

Yeah.

All that shit.

We here, nigga.

I just realized what it could look like when you bring in professionals to do the job.

People that really care.

People that really care.

When there's a large audience, they fucking worked all week about what they would say.

You know what I mean?

She's worried.

No matter where you at.

Whether you from Atlanta, Ray Daniels.

Was she worried?

Was she tapping her foot?

Ooh, big male.

I ain't talking about Male.

Exactly.

Acknowledge her, nigga.

Mel is already playing.

Acknowledge her, nigga.

Mel is already

self to be invaluable.

Acknowledge my sins, nigga.

Acknowledge her.

Mel is already gang gang.

All right, good.

Got you.

I need my 10%.

Also,

in order for us to successfully merge with Rory and Demaris, I can't come with so large a recruit.

Right?

Right, E?

No, I'm lying.

I can't come with nine niggas.

Rory only come with Demaris.

I ain't come with nine people.

That's not right.

Anyway, we got to figure it out.

Don't take this off either, nigga.

Corey, Corey, don't go back.

Yo, I have something that y'all have been sleeping on.

I'm not going to go with lazy RB as Ice will put it today.

I said Sleepy Time.

Sleepy Time R B as Ice will put it.

Ice is my man.

Fuck what y'all talking about.

And

anything with

Isley Brothers Voyage to Atlantis flipped.

You got me.

Y'all niggas is lucky.

I don't rap no more.

I would call whoever did this beat and let my girlfriend have it on there.

I ain't gonna lie to you, boy.

That's some shit you've been wanting to get on mine.

God, if I had to, right now, you'd be walking through your mind.

Oh my God.

Yo, when you don't rap and you're fighting with your girl, it's nothing to do.

You'll be like,

you'll be sitting out arguing, looking stupid, fucking like your word is equal to hers.

No, nigga, I rap.

You don't.

You make songs.

Yeah.

So anyway, this will number.

I'm going to play two chains.

This joint is called, featuring the Isley Brothers.

This joint is called The ATL Experience.

Shout out to College Park 2 Chains.

You boys is loud.

Oh, yeah.

That's it.

You can hear it, right, Park?

Ultimate.

Oh, shit.

All my babies.

I love my baby, boy.

How many bars came?

That's all.

Did you answer that question?

Let me answer it for you.

Two chains, spit a verse and then just let Ronald cook for four minutes with guitars.

Oh, okay.

Yeah, yeah.

Ladies and gentlemen, the ATL experience.

Nigga, what?

Oh, God.

Do you hear this shit?

Yo, you gotta be fucking kidding me.

You had to be fucking getting me right now, boy.

Mr.

Broke speaking.

I'm turning this was my favorite diss previous to this.

I admit that I'm really blessed.

Tiddy boy the shit.

Popping it.

Oh, just like a zip.

That's his common sense.

In the A.

These young niggas crazy.

better on a stick.

Trying cops and them hellcats, tearing up the strip.

This young lady, she came to the A, just so she can strip.

On the phone, so just listen up, gave myself a raise.

Her first night, dancing at the club, got swunded out the face.

How I rang, thought these niggas real, but these niggas fade.

So she leaned, but a girl at the club, they went on a date.

They had trips, and she gained her trust.

Told about a safe, that ain't safe, cause the girl she with boyfriend broke you on the place.

And the A.

J.

Remember, Tony told you about the A.

They gon' door like your behavior, you don't fucking know ballet.

If you go into the bathroom, then you better take your drink.

If you can't find your wallet, then you better call the bank.

In the A, smiling in your face, it stabs you in the back.

In the A, not only rappers, but the treppers got me backs.

In the A, fucking Louis, I'm about merging a whole collection.

In the A, HIV, Ray, hey, you better, you protection.

In the A, when you meet a club, that's your real connection.

In the A, everyone around, talking real neglection.

In the A, gotta have a blink, you ain't got no stain.

And your team don't have a championship, so you don't got no reign.

It's right to lose.

Yeah,

yeah.

Na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na

oh yeah,

oh

yeah

yeah yeah,

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

no,

no,

always

come back to you.

That's brand new music from 2 Chains.

That's hard.

Featuring Rondo Isley and the Isley Brothers.

That is from the short film Red Clay.

And that record is called the ATL Experience.

Shout out to 2 Chains, man.

Shout out to Two Chains.

We love you, man.

Come up here.

Shout out to Chains, man.

Hard.

All right.

I'm going back to this album again for another sleeper.

This is easily my favorite album to drop this year so far.

This is Don Tripp and Starlito.

This one is called Mitchell Lines off of Step Brothers for Life.

I know I said don't block me, change my mind again.

Can't even try to pretend, you ain't even trying to win.

You can't even see that I change, you just say I shared skin.

Sometimes I think about what we had, and I just don't know where it went.

Make amends or avenge, look, I meant what I sent.

I look better with you when I attend every event.

I wasn't innocent, what about them friends benefits?

I don't resent, not a cent that I spent.

But tell your friends, eat a dick.

They probably want to anyway.

So busy keeping up with them.

Meanwhile, them hoes just in the way.

I was sending flowers, spa appointments, dinner dates.

Getaways when that's clear, your heart ain't in it.

Plus, I need a mental break.

You knew I was a dog.

Big surprise, I went a straight.

But you the one that fetched the bone, and send my phone.

Still say, Prince I king, she's your queen.

Keep it clean in the face, and silly not yours.

Soldier, slim, shaded, cleaning up my closet.

Your pussy throw back.

And you know that.

And you know that.

Once upon a time I thought you fit the glass slipper Turns out you want a Cinderella stepsisters Hating on your friends, same friends you call your sisters Careful baby, you might blow a fuse how quick you switch up I heard love is blind, guess that's why I failed to see If that's how you treat your friends, you'll be even worse to me

Sometimes you gotta let the heart bleed They say nothing in this world comes for free, I agree

Silly you for thinking I wouldn't let you leave Come on bitch, I help you pack how many trash bags you need.

I'm not even finna plead.

You can't even keep your key.

I had the locks change before you even reached the next street.

You like a mixtape, strictly for the streets.

I try not to ruffle feathers.

I want you to spread your wings.

So you can fly far, far away and not return.

P.S.

To whom it may concern.

I'm good though.

And that was Mitchell Lines by Don Tripp and Starlito off of Step Brothers for Life in your phone, DSPs, wherever you get your music from.

Go check that project out.

It's amazing.

All right, I am going to Buffalo and Yonkers.

This is Benny the Butcher and Styles P off his Excelsior Project.

The song is toxic.

Shout out, Benny.

Better small Bonnie's the Sweeney Todd.

May you beat the case like you, Johnny Depp.

Your P and B's, I'm on his sweats.

Flow is like water if you ain't see a tsunami yet.

Buffalo the Yonkers, the hammer is in the tiny vet.

Money in the map truck, niggas can't find you.

Too big for my city, so it's only fair that I grow from there.

Cause she came for the polar bear and a falling chair.

Brick or bad dope, this dirty weight.

I'm cooking back, so it's only right.

I leapt at 38 and took the axe for second twins.

Fuck with y'all, can never be friends.

My hoes be ebony skin.

They give me head in the bins.

Fresh from Paris, I'm in new whips and extra carriage.

Smoking, playing, old big, tryna catch the spirit.

You know that.

You know who's coming.

You're the butcher nigga.

And he came with style.

For the pushing niggas, and you know the style.

We with the hookers, nigga.

And you know the style.

We with the cookers, nigga.

For the hookin' niggas, if the flubs are a front.

Let's book the nigga.

If the niggas is fooled, let's cook the niggas if that weight is wear.

Well, let's hook it, nigga.

Benny come from Buffalo.

Me, I'm from Yonkers, but I still pack a gun.

That'll knock down a buffalo.

Nerd, better turn into Hulk Like Marth Ruffalo Don't wrestle but I'm fly like I'm all for the turn buckalo Top one, top gun Never did no marriage shit All I know you front in my hood, I'm not having it Lilac seeds in the bush, paint lavender Niggas tryna act like a savage, but they are scavengers This the kid who made it not with my block did funny Now I got more songs than the locks with Diddy Y'all niggas sounding confused It's too late when the gun hammer and the sound of my shoes The only sound in the room They tell me I should be grateful Cause I used to be on fan probation, playing with a bankroll.

Monitor home, I ain't gonna tire it.

So you gotta talk right and when you talk bitty, nigga, cause me and money don't sleep like New York City.

Butcher coming, you know who's coming.

You the butcher, nigga, and he came with styles.

For the bushin' niggas, and you know the style.

We with the hookers, nigga, and you know the style.

We with the cookers, nigga.

And we let the shine.

For the looking niggas, if the plumps are the front.

Let's book the nigga if the niggas is fooled.

Let's book the niggas if that weight is well.

Well, let's hook it, nigga.

I'm playing Griselda, watching Griselda.

Pray for the seeds, merc the elders.

I move work, pop off, pick the shells up.

We ain't miles away, but I bet you that you can smell us.

We smell like money, and the niggas lightin' the L's up.

We don't give a fuck if there's nothing that you can tell us.

The butcher cop, butch ghost nigga, sandwich from a dead man.

Bet you gon' joke, nigga.

Can't tell you anything except how it hurt that you know.

know me.

But they don't know I had to play every first by the store.

On high alert for the law, watching my block.

As soon as they pull up skirt, then I'm gone.

You know that work getting tossed.

I never speak on your set, but I don't beef on the neck.

Cause niggas on my team, the judge want to lethal inject.

It's not a secret, you move discreet when you keep getting checked.

These niggas mad and wanna be me, so I keep getting threats.

The butcher and the ghost, nigga.

You know who's coming.

You the butcher nigga.

Keep the style for the pushy nigga.

That is toxic.

Buddy the Butcher and Styles P off the Excelsior Project.

Shout out to both of them.

We hype this week, so I had to.

Got to shout out Benny.

I ran into him at

the Snoop premiere a couple days ago.

Yeah, I fucked up.

Benny's the man, man.

He's a solid guy.

For sure.

Like, Benny's just a really good guy.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

Death row pass on?

Excuse me?

You got your death row pass on or not?

I don't need a death row pass, sir.

There you go.

That's my word.

I don't do any of that.

And you said, Styles, Jim Jones has responded.

Oh, has he what he say the difference between me and the mother old heads is my motion is present day your motion was yesterday I say that with all due respect facts is facts drop something stop telling me what you used to

used to do you used to be one of my favorite rappers I used to have a flat top lol

okay so what's the forward got it uh yeah all right

Ice what'd you call the music that you didn't want Joe to play?

No, I didn't say I didn't want Joe to play.

What'd you call that?

Oh, Sleepy Time R B.

All right, well, some Sleepy Time fucking R B.

This is Video Fantasy Dream Girl by June Tober.

Oh, I see what you did there.

Yeah, y'all do y'all thing.

Baby, take out your camera.

I wanna be your video, girl.

Baby, take out your camera for

I wanna take a picture for you.

Flashing lights hit my favorite post.

I'm his favorite girl,

I'm his supermar.

I can give him what he wants.

His fantasy girl, so keep it practical.

Fire, I need it.

Late night, dream it.

Of me, all you needed, be your dream, girl.

Fire where you need it.

Lay it like dream it.

Of me, all you need, be your dream, girl.

You're the one

that I need.

Now that you're here,

you can't hear

you and I.

You're my dream guy.

You hit me in five.

Never seen before.

Flesh photography.

Love when you're watching me.

Butter eyes over your favorite thing.

Baby, speak.

Find where you need it.

Late night dreaming.

Love me, yeah, you need it, be your dream, girl.

Find where you need it.

Late night, dreaming.

Love me, yeah, you need it, be your dream girl.

Find where you need it.

Late night dreaming.

Love me, yeah, you need it, be your dream, girl.

Find where you need it.

Late night, treatment, love me and you need it.

Be your dream girl.

Be your video girl.

Be your dream girl.

Be your supermarket.

Be your fantasy girl.

Be your dream girl.

That is Junetober with Video Fantasy Dream Girl by our own resident video fantasy dream girl, Melissa Ford.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

You're very welcome.

No.

Yo, so this song I heard on the internet going to Indiana.

Big Row Decisions is going viral.

party.

We gettin' notice if we go to this time.

The lightin' them living this isn't the main cause niggas to die every day.

Grindin' my CD, you gotta be witty, cause niggas will plotty either way, uh to my right next to me, can niggas keep driving

my beat.

It ain't no need to lie to me, walk the beast, it's hype to me.

Off the leash, not time to play, not stare at my demon, done hide and day.

Say, cut me deep, not lookin' through.

Held my own, got something to prove.

From my son, I shin never fool.

She try to do better, got something to lose.

Ay, fuck the fame, I don't want the 10.

Doing this music, just so people is set.

Switching the floor, but still it's ain't messed it.

Too many color, but you see the MS.

When the bed through here, we slide niggas.

Don't give a fuck, who ride we miss it?

You said that you gon' slide okay.

Don't know why you tried to play.

How about weight?

You gon' slide the mid.

We tryna go and holler my way.

Who's wanna deal with some wicked decisions?

You lookin' like some beefoo.

Play with them pistols, ca lot of school visions.

The trenches I plan at my roots.

They say the light, them leaving decision.

I'm making cause niggas to die be deep.

Right in my city, you gotta be witty.

Cause niggas

I know the stuff I heard, but know that it's time if

I tighten life with the mister Fighter Mike right but I know I can't give up Darkness the sight of the light I can't give up He said a lot of

this fucking

talking Please find yourself

niggas the dive be dig Riding my city

niggas who plotty the weed.

Two might right next to me, can niggas be dropping.

Try to stay away from beef, since I'm people, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm leaving decisions I'm making for niggas to dive into.

Riding my city, you gotta be with it, niggas who plotted the weight.

To my right next to me, the niggas be dropping, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Try to stay away from beef, since I'm people, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's Big Rob decisions.

Shout out to Indiana.

is a beat?

I think so.

Oh, my fault.

Yeah, Paul helped me out, man.

I could be wrong.

I could be wrong.

Mark has a seven-minute sleeper.

Mark is asleep.

And Mark is actually asleep.

Holy shit.

Yo.

And Mark is pleasing.

That is amazing.

This is Bilal sometimes.

I'm going to go ahead and do your job for you.

You sleepers.

No, you go ahead and get your rest.

Mark is out of here.

Go ahead.

You go ahead and get your rest, man.

No worries.

You carried us this far, man.

We got a little throwback.

But wow, sometimes.

I'm not playing the full.

Do we have to play seven minutes?

No, I've been overtrading this after two minutes and 25 seconds.

Yeah, wonderful.

Streaming rules and effect.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

This is a song that makes me spill out all my guts.

Sometimes

I wish I wasn't me

sometimes.

I wish I was druggery sometimes.

Wish I saw the exit sun first

sometimes

Wish I knew the truth without search sometimes

I wish I could

go where I'd never been

see what I never saw

Do what I never did

for a good

sometimes.

I wish my eyes wasn't so red sometimes.

I wish I had breakfast in bed sometime.

Brand new Malayal.

Last night,

sometimes

you ain't good to me yet.

I am good to you.

You

don't pay my attention.

Hey, Slim,

you should be nicer than you are sometimes.

You take that complaining shit way too far.

It's hard to listen to.

win.

I mean,

I thought it was cute in the beginning, but now

I think

you only do it.

Cause you know I hate it.

Sometimes

you got me wishing

I didn't have home training sometimes.

Then it wouldn't hurt me so bad

when I came up in you and your head

Then it wouldn't hurt me so bad

when I danced enough to pull up your ass sometimes

That is blah sometime

There's many more minutes of Singapore

and the Soul Aquarians good shit, y'all.

And the best nigga I ever seen sing

off the Duchy.

The who know who?

Off the dome.

You've been watching Godfather Arling.

That's what you've been watching.

I know, I know, nigga.

Hey.

That shit gets good, too.

Hey, I did star Godfather Arling.

This season?

Yeah,

this season.

Actually, somehow I missed the finale of last season.

I had to go back.

I had to go back.

The last episode I saw the last season was them throwing the daughter out on the street, doped up.

I didn't see Malcolm and

you missed the whole damn next season then.

No, it's only one episode.

You missed a little, you missed a bit.

Oh, well, I'm on the new season now.

You missed a bit.

You missed a bit, bro.

I'm on the new season now.

That's all.

That's all I know.

Gonna be Johnson there now.

Flip you up.

You awake?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, man.

Mark, you awake, y'all.

I'm refreshed.

My boy.

All right.

Good show today, y'all.

Good show today.

That's our show.

Don't worry.

Thank you for joining us.

I went from visitor to family.

He gave me that, right?

Real quick.

One good episode.

You did great.

Thanks, Lee.

You did amazing.

I love one Ray up here, man.

Thank you.

That's your third time up here, isn't it?

Didn't you do two last time?

Yeah, I did Killer Mike and then.

Yeah.

Yeah, man.

Shout out, shout out to our good brother Ray.

Shout out to A, body and the A.

Again, shout out to Mark for joining us early.

Shout out to Ish, our brother Ish here with us in Spirit.

Hopefully, everything's cool with him.

Our sister Big Mel didn't have to be on a Friday, came in, blessed us.

Got an early exit because we got to, I mean, get right for that shit.

She ain't invited brothers to.

But

I hope you kill that shit.

I don't think that is there a stream link that we can watch that.

I'll find out.

Find out

like you did that Jason Tatum shit.

I think we might win a gold glove today, guys.

I I mean, I think we got it.

I think we got it.

I think we did it.

An inaugural one.

We got it.

Me too.

Podcast one.

Especially since people on the volume are going through legal troubles.

Like, now would be the time.

Right.

Hello?

Yo,

what?

No, fuck.

What's up, Chip?

It is.

It's something wrong with.

Okay, okay, fine.

Fine, it's over.

It's over.

It's over.

It's over.

It's good.

We're done.

We're done, man.

really good broadcast today man

Shout out to the golden globes the board of the golden globes the c-suite over there

Yo, keep us in your prayers Lord knows we need to be there

Till the next time we bid you adieu farewell adiosci osa bista arboix

So long goodbye simple head now to suffice

Remember life is a series of moments and moments pass

So let's make this one last as if it's all we had ego.

I'm all in the ocean, I'm part and divided.

I'm feeling like Moses.

We switching emotions and making them faces just like an emoji.

All of my killers, they ready to follow me.

I feel like Moses.

Lastly, remember the baddies are insecure.

The stagnant women want to travel.

The closed-minded women want you to teach them things.

Grab you a title and all you might need it.

Until the next time, stay safe, stay dangerous

all right anybody doing anything interesting this weekend

anything we could exploit for entertainment purposes what we doing gonna do a show that's about it what kind of show arby look at them niggas rubina i'm not sure if you're familiar with rubina rubina yeah i like her yeah she's okay

i'm celebrating kids birthday man

what celebrating kids birthday

i'll be down in Philly at Malcolm X Park.

Everybody, if you're in Philly today, Saturday, come down to Malcolm X Park for Malcolm X's 100th birthday celebration.

Okay.

That's fine.

Okay, that's fine.

Joe, Good.

This weekend,

not too much.

I'm hoping that the Knicks did their thug thistle last night.

Right.

Oh, actually, Sunday, I am running to Boston.

My stepson is doing some football shit out there that he asked me to go to.

That's right.

I'm going to head out there, man.

No matter what's going on with me and my baby, I'm head out there.

That's my baby.

I love you, baby.

Next weekend,

my youngest son, Lex, it's his best friend's birthday.

Happy birthday, Vincent.

And I told Cynthia's ass that if Lex misses this party, it's going to be hell to pay.

Guess what she did?

You guessed it.

Double booked.

Sent me a text yesterday.

Hey,

he's got another party to go to, yo, dog.

I don't give a fuck about that party.

Nah.

Nah.

No, he's got to go to the bottom.

Chopo Vincent.

Yeah.

See,

no, go ahead.

Let Lex not be at Vincent party on time.

I know that.

It's going to be a hell of a pay.

Happy birthday to Vincent.

And that's it, man.

Y'all enjoy your weekend.

Enjoy your family.

Enjoy your friends.

Your loved ones.

The people.

Hey, get around some people that really love you, appreciate you.

Build you up.

Let's do that this weekend.

And go six.

Go down the

Wait, she said she want motherfucker.

Right, I ain't gonna say that.

No, we nervous.

We nervous a little bit.

And the motherfucker.

Go a little bit.

One time.

My squirrel won't let me.

Yo, listen.

In traditional Knicks fashion,

it is normal for a Knicks fan to be nervous right now.

Absolutely.

It is totally normal

for old Knicks fans to say, yo, we're used to how the Knicks normally do things and we're we're a little afraid.

The difference today,

two words, say it with me,

Jalen

Brunson.

We've never had a Jalen Brunson.

Charles Oakley is somewhere in Westchester saying the same thing.

You know, he can't go by the garden.

Shout out to Oak.

Pat Ewing is saying it.

The Knicks have never had somebody that, especially after a loss,

at the guard is average

34, 35.

36, I think, 36.

36.

so i'm trusting in jalen brunson right attitude that's our team captain he took a pay cut let's hope he leads us to the promised land and that's that man and i'm hoping that uh ace bailey works out in philadelphia it's not a hate thing for me look i hope so too i'm hoping that uh ace bailey works out shout out to ron harper his son the spurs said they definitely keeping him listen we'll talk sports later

That show on TikTok that is doing the imitations of first take, I think it's last take

And they now doing Cam and Mace 2.

If they are unsigned, where is he in that?

What the fuck is going on?

I got to talk to these guys.

That's serious.

I met one of them niggas.

They are all the way fire.

Yeah, I met one of them.

That show y'all took me on about the Mormon wives, whatever.

Season two just started.

This shit is ridiculous, bro.

Thank you.

By the way, Mel, what's up, man?

What it look like in LA this weekend, hitting that katana?

What are we doing?

With some new work.

What are we doing?

What are we doing this weekend, weekend, Big Male?

What are we doing?

We making a picture.

We in the hookah spot with some new work.

Hey!

We ain't got time for fucking hookah.

I got bigger fish to do.

We ain't got no time for hookah.

We got this time for the new work.

I got to say we're going to be a bit bigger.

Hey, big Savannah.

She's so awkward.

Yo, until the next time.

Peace, love, health, wealth, and prosperity.

Don't forget your Joe button seats.

We gone.

Where would you be without the JBP?

Cast your votes.

Who is that?

Who is that?

It's Mark on my hill, pussy.

That's crazy.