#2286 - Antonio Brown

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Yeah. Holy shit.
Good to see you. Pleasure to meet you.
The most fun follow on Twitter by far. Excuse me, X.
Thank you. Whatever they want to call it.

Speaker 1 You're the most fun.

Speaker 2 Thank you, man. You made my job easy, you know.
All the entertainment you give me.

Speaker 1 How did you decide to start doing this? How did you, first of all, were you always as funny?

Speaker 2 I would like to think so.

Speaker 1 But like, your social media president's like, I forget who, I think Tony Hinchcliffe told me about you. He's like, dude, you have to follow Antonio Brown.
You must follow.

Speaker 1 He's the most must-follow on the internet. I'm like, really? And then I go to your page and I'm fucking dying laughing.
We're sharing it around the green room with the comedy star, like, ah.

Speaker 1 And then when I won Crack of the Day, I was like, yes.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 2 Out of the year.

Speaker 1 Cracker of the Year. That's right.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 I try to use X as a good platform to bring laughter, making, you know, bringing humor back and community, making people feel good.

Speaker 1 Well, you can get wild.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I get a little wild sometimes.

Speaker 1 You can get wild on X.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you can get a little wild on X. Well, I try to.

Speaker 1 Twitter, they would have got rid of you a long time ago. You would have been canceled.
They probably would have got rid of me too, if Elon didn't buy Twitter.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we thanks to Elon Musk for giving us that platform to be able to be expressive, you know, to bring in comedy back, bring in innovation.

Speaker 1 Fun

Speaker 1 just ridiculous shit. Have some fun again.
Have some fun again, yeah. What happened?

Speaker 1 Everybody tightened up for like five years.

Speaker 2 It was really tight.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 how did you come up with hashtag CTESPN? Because that's my favorite.

Speaker 2 I feel like when I stopped playing football and I walked off the field, people was like, this guy's crazy. Like, he's retarded.

Speaker 1 You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 He's illiterate. So, you know, I was like, you know what?

Speaker 2 Maybe I could, you know, rebrand CTSB and

Speaker 2 giving people perspective of different challenges people face and great individuals, how they overcome adversity, and just kind of share and tune perspective of, you know, how people is getting through trauma.

Speaker 2 No matter if you're a football player, I mean, what it's like for you. You started damn UC, UFC, you, yeah, yeah, UFC.

Speaker 1 Like

Speaker 1 the reality of head trauma is something that we're, like, as a society, we're just embracing over the last 10, 20 years.

Speaker 1 Like, it wasn't for that concussion movie, I think that opened up a lot of people's eyes. That Will Smith movie.
Yes.

Speaker 1 And the story, that doctor, of him finding how many people have, like, significant brain trauma from football. Yes.

Speaker 2 So for me, I try to use it because this is a serious standpoint. A lot of ex-players and players have actually has been diagnosed and, you know, passed away from CT.

Speaker 2 So for me, you know, on the serious point of

Speaker 2 bringing record awareness and bringing

Speaker 2 a reality standpoint of what athletes and people fighting or anyone in their daily lives facing from head trauma of just people writing them off and encouraging therapy, encouraging how do you get through tough situation and then making it funny.

Speaker 1 You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 Because I feel like nowadays, if you do something crazy, people like, oh yeah, yeah that guy's crazy so it's like let's just show why they crazy in ctspn and show show the cause of the craziness you know i mean

Speaker 1 yeah there i mean there's a real cause the craziness and yes and we're ignoring it as society because we love football we love mma we love boxing you know so we just kind of like overlook it with the entertainment

Speaker 1 keep moving keep hitting i'm uh friends with a lot of dudes so i get to see what they're like after fights.

Speaker 1 You know, like everybody watches the fight, the fight's amazing, and then you run into them after fights and have a conversation with them like, oh, man, their whole head's swollen, can't move their hands, you know, can't walk, calves are blown out, knees fucked up, ice here, this there.

Speaker 2 Oh, it's a challenge.

Speaker 1 It's a challenge, man. It's a real challenge.
And when you started playing football, nobody even thought about it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, because you just, you know, you never think about the repercussions. You just think, how do I make a better life?

Speaker 1 well back then nobody even really knew that that was going to happen to football players it was kind of a thing that they thought about with boxers rarely people talked about football players who aren't doing so good yeah so i feel like ctsp was brought back to recognize the awareness of high-level people experiencing trauma and not being able to overcome that trauma because you know life's changed on you in a second you playing football you know it's going to come to an end and then what do you do next yeah that's the hardest thing right for like for pro athletes, you go from being a kid to all of a sudden you are making millions of dollars

Speaker 1 and you're young and you're wild and you're not thinking it's going to go away.

Speaker 1 And then all your friends are buying jewelry and all your friends are buying Mercedes-Benz and Bentleys and all this shit. And you're like, fuck.

Speaker 1 And I think the number was something like 85% of NFL players go bankrupt within X amount of years after retirement.

Speaker 2 Exactly, because the lifestyle, you know, and making so much money and being able to transition in regards of having a new career and not making that much money all at once like you used to. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And I think sometimes bankrupt could be used to protect assets in regards of people coming after you too. You know,

Speaker 2 big target when you're in position.

Speaker 1 Of course. Yeah, but that is another problem with getting wealthy is that you become vulnerable to scoundrels and scavengers and dirty hoes.
Yeah, dirty.

Speaker 1 Dirty, money-grabbing, like must-based. Like calculated hoes.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 you know ones that it's not just like well the relationship didn't work out the lawyer told you you can get some money from them maybe you should go for it yeah fuck him no it's like from the jump they're calculated these ladies these days they gonna have they gonna have a nigga baby because they homeless

Speaker 2 yeah yeah you gotta hit them and back to the streets where you belong bitch

Speaker 2 you know

Speaker 1 did Did you ever have situations where you thought girls were trying to get over on you?

Speaker 2 I just feel like nowadays

Speaker 2 girls just want the BB, like the BBD,

Speaker 2 the biggest and better deal.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 You know what I'm saying? That's built into human nature.

Speaker 2 Human nature is genetic. What's the next best thing?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's called hypergamy. It's like a natural state that women stay in, right?

Speaker 1 Well, they look for, like, if you're doing okay, but then all of a sudden she starts working for a billionaire and he gets divorced and he's real friendly to her. Next thing you know,

Speaker 1 she starts picturing that closet. Seeing the op, right? She starts picturing that closet, seeing all those shoes and purses, and all that jewelry.

Speaker 2 She starts licking chops to the movie theater.

Speaker 1 He's actually nicer to me than my boyfriend. And then they start justifying it.
Next thing you know,

Speaker 2 she's going to the movie theater.

Speaker 1 It's hypergamy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's a natural state that some women, I mean, obviously there's great women out there with character and morals, and they don't do that, but it's a natural thing that women do.

Speaker 1 They try to find a better, better suitor bigger and better deal yeah yeah

Speaker 1 yeah

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Speaker 1 When you talk about CTE,

Speaker 1 when did you first start noticing the effects of football?

Speaker 2 I feel like to me, I always knew like the game was going to come to an end. And I feel like to me, I always played the game smart as a receiver, not putting myself in bad positions, getting hit.

Speaker 2 But I did have a chance to, you know, rest in peace, Demarius Thomas, one of the ex-receivers who came into the NFL around the time I came in.

Speaker 2 I had a chance to see him experience, you know what I'm saying, some of that CTE trauma. And in the midst of it.
How did he pass? From CTE.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
He passed from CTE.

Speaker 2 Yeah, when they study his brain, yeah, because I don't want to speak about the problems that he really had, but

Speaker 2 being a close friend to him, you know, we've seen some of the experience that he was going through and uh playing for temperament last year when we won the super bowl i think it had a player vincent jackson rest in peace also pass from uh ct

Speaker 2 so for me you know it's it's a real thing it's a real thing and not only just from the hits you take but like you said aftermath of your career or you know having a moment in your career where some guys can't get over it or you know you've seen fighters have a fight or it may not go the way that they wanted to go and it may could possibly affect the outcome of how they look at it.

Speaker 2 And I feel like we all have traumas in our lives, from all, no matter if you play sports or not.

Speaker 2 So just raising awareness of getting mental therapy and being able to, you know, work on yourself so you can have a better life.

Speaker 1 That's an important point you brought up, like the psychology of an athlete.

Speaker 1 You have to learn how to put losses behind you and failures behind you and regain your confidence and then excel and move forward.

Speaker 2 You just got to not let one moment overtake the overall moments of your career. Right.
Some moments are big moments.

Speaker 2 And, you know, if you get cut, little things that happen in your career, just take it with a grain of salt and be able to cope with the situations you're in, you know?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 When did you I mean, you talk pretty openly about CTE, but when did you start feeling the effects of that?

Speaker 2 I feel like for me, I feel like for me, I don't really I feel like I always was in tune and, you know, aware of my situation and where I'm at in life.

Speaker 2 I've been pretty blessed in my regards of being a football player to be able to come from Central Michigan as a walk-on to Central Michigan, leave three years, go to the Stillers, being the second receiver pick in that year.

Speaker 2 And then I always had a high belief in myself and never was deteriorated about the position or where I had to start from or where I was going.

Speaker 2 So for me, I always had the intuitive trust and the belief in myself regarding any situation I've been in because I came from Liberty City from nothing. So to me, everything's a blessing.

Speaker 2 So I never let football or any position I ever was in in life deteriorate my perspective and my outlook or how I looked at it.

Speaker 1 Did you feel the way your brain work changed at all though?

Speaker 2 No, I feel like the older you get playing sport, you realize deteriorate, you know what I'm saying, what the game entails on your body.

Speaker 2 I feel like in my 20s, I was just ripping through, you know, dominating the game.

Speaker 1 Right. Then when you get 30, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 Obviously it's a business. They're looking for younger players to excel at the game.

Speaker 2 And then when you leave one of the best teams and put yourself in a position to, you know, to do what's important for you other than important for the NFL, so you know what's gonna come with that.

Speaker 2 So to me, I always made the calculated decisions, you know what I mean, to put myself in the best position, i.e. like playing with Tom Brady, you know, going to the Pracers or leaving the Stillers.

Speaker 2 Or, you know, I always try to just knew I wasn't going to play for a long time, just maximize the moment in the meantime, playing so when I'm done playing, I could live a healthy life.

Speaker 1 So you play it smart, got to play it smart.

Speaker 1 And as a receiver, man, they're coming for you. Yeah, you got to play.
I mean,

Speaker 1 that's target numero uno.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Do you encounter a lot of young guys?

Speaker 1 I'm sure you run into like, and you definitely did while you're playing, young guys are coming in and you feel like compelled to let them know, like, hey, this is, you got a short amount of time here.

Speaker 1 Nobody, nobody lasts, the longest anybody ever lasts is like Brady. Like, what's he now? He's like, he's thinking about doing it again.
Yeah. He's like, what is he, 43?

Speaker 2 44, probably. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Quarterback's a little different, right? Yeah.

Speaker 1 A lot different, right, than a receiver.

Speaker 1 And they have longer careers. But, you know, it's obviously for most people,

Speaker 1 you start hitting your 30s. That's the same thing with fighters as well.
When they pass 35, that's the cutoff. 35, you're always looking for decline.

Speaker 1 And some of them hang in there strong, like Alex Pereira, he's 37. He's hanging in there strong, killing everybody.
But for most guys, 35, 36, that's the drop off, 37.

Speaker 1 Do you feel like compelled to talk to the young guys?

Speaker 2 Absolutely, because it's a short window opportunity. Yeah.
And you got to know, like, what do you set out to do? You know what I mean? What do you came to do? You got to have those intangibles.

Speaker 2 And just, you know, it's a long game.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Life is a long game. Life is a long game.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Football's a chapter.
Life's a long game. And it could be the most fun chapter of your whole life.
Exactly.

Speaker 2 But it's not real life. Right.
Football is just what you do. It's really not who you is, but I feel like people will kind of get to know you from what you do based off.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Yeah, of course. Yeah.

Speaker 1 The other thing is that, like, some guys, they have a real problem when they stop playing because they don't know who they are anymore.

Speaker 1 They used to be a football player, and now all of a sudden they're just a regular person who was a football player.

Speaker 2 And that's some part of the trauma as well. You know, some guys,

Speaker 2 it's not really in tune or knowing they self in regard of who they is. And to me, I always knew football was going to come to an end, but we don't have unlimited health.

Speaker 2 And I go back to the trauma, which is understand who you are and

Speaker 2 making yourself happy, you know?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's um

Speaker 1 it's interesting to see that some people can navigate it and they figure out how to do it and they get through life and then they move on to other things and they start doing commentary on ESPN or what have you and they're doing great.

Speaker 1 And then

Speaker 1 most people, that's not the case. Yeah.

Speaker 2 That's why I say I recommend people who get therapy and you know into your career. Have good people in your corner that you know got your back that could still help you propel in life.

Speaker 1 Did you get therapy when you were done? Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 For sure you got to get therapy.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 What did you specifically go to talk to them about?

Speaker 2 Just how you feel, you know, mental clarity, you know, emotional.

Speaker 2 Feelings, you know, I feel like waking up and being a football player when you did it every day and you wake up with so much energy ready to put it out. Right.

Speaker 2 Learning how to channel it, you know, learning how to deal with some relationships that maybe change now that you're not in a position and how to deal with that or, you know, how to deal with people leveraging you, you know what I mean, for what you got now.

Speaker 2 And yeah, it's a lot of different things that just provide mental clarity. And just, because life's not about just being right, just figuring out ways to just be more happy.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You know what I mean? Did you have a plan when you stopped? Like, did you know what you were going to do?

Speaker 2 I didn't know what I was going to do, but it kind of just happened. You know, I was making music with the distribution label with video.
So as soon as I walked out the field, they released the music.

Speaker 2 I ended up linking with Kanye West right after.

Speaker 2 After that, I was doing Rolling Louds.

Speaker 1 After that, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 So for me, I was grateful. As soon as I walked off the field, music song dropped.

Speaker 1 How did you link up with Kanye?

Speaker 2 Man, he was looking for me right when I walked off the field.

Speaker 1 Really?

Speaker 2 Yeah, they was calling me Justin LaBoy, like, calling me in New York, like, yo, Kanye, want to meet you. I ended up flying to L.A.

Speaker 2 to meet Rich with Fashion Nova. And we met right in Craigs, randomly in Craigs, but he was looking for me in L.A.
And after that, ended up hanging with him, making his album down to two.

Speaker 2 Wow. Just getting an opportunity.
So that's crazy. I was blessed to be able to have that happen for me.
You know,

Speaker 1 like working with Kanye. Because I got to imagine

Speaker 2 a lot of energy genius uh meetings at eight o'clock all the music 8 a.m or 8 p.m 8 a.m really every day yeah really all the engineers there uh everyone on the team uh that's unusual rappers at 8 a.m nah yeah kanye is really a business guy who put in a lot of work i know a lot of people see it's rants and him going off but he's really passionate about his work and uh he's a genius yeah he's just scattered he's all over the place and sometimes he goes a little off a little out off the reservation I feel like he thinks in a lot of forms.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 2 So many areas he likes to think.

Speaker 1 You don't make music like that consistently unless you got a very different mind.

Speaker 1 That dude has a very different mind. All of his shit.
He doesn't have one bad album.

Speaker 1 His new album's not getting enough love.

Speaker 2 Yeah, because I feel like people want to know where is he at. Where is he at?

Speaker 1 He's killing it still. This music is killing it.
This new shit is killing it.

Speaker 1 I wish he didn't sell swastika t-shirts on his website, but

Speaker 1 he does that to fuck with people. He does have to fuck with people.

Speaker 1 That's part of the fun of being

Speaker 1 marketing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's part of the fun of being Kanye. He's getting people to talk about him.
He puts an ad on the Super Bowl. You go to the website and he's selling swastika t-shirts.
Like, what the fuck?

Speaker 1 What the hell is this?

Speaker 1 It's so crazy, but the music is undeniable. Over and over and over again, it's undeniable.
Every album, he's not, it doesn't have one dud. They're all bangers.
They're all bangers. All All fire.

Speaker 1 And the new one, after all the shit he's been through, the new one is a banger. We play that shit in the green room all the time.
Yeah, he's all. It's a banger.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he's all gas.

Speaker 1 All gas, no breaks. But 8 a.m.
meetings for rappers is very unusual.

Speaker 2 I mean, he's more than a rapper. I think he's just a creative genius.
He makes beats. He's in fashion shoes.

Speaker 1 Of course. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Just creative, lucrative, man. I feel like he's really passionate about.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the rap is just one extension of his creativity. Yeah, he can do whatever the fuck he wants.
I just wish he would stop selling swastika t-shirts.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he got to come and down.

Speaker 1 I told him, I told him, I told him, God is love. He got to calm it down.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I told him God is love, man. You know, he's a really in-tune spirit with God.
So I told him, yeah, God is love, be love.

Speaker 1 Well, you know what? I think I think Kanye feels attacked, and when he feels attacked, he fires back. And then you develop this antagonistic relationship with the media, with some of your fans,

Speaker 1 with all the people that are upset at you.

Speaker 1 He feels like cornered and attacked and not appreciated. And then he fires at people and starts saying wild shit and then puts masks on.

Speaker 1 He's a brilliant fucking guy.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he's amazing.

Speaker 1 When he came to do the podcast, unfortunately, at the time, Jamie caught COVID, like the early, early days. And Jamie couldn't be here.
So we wound up doing it in my studio.

Speaker 1 But what he wanted to do was build a studio that looked like a womb.

Speaker 2 Now,

Speaker 2 he loves like settings and how stuff looks, shapes, designs. Designs.
Yeah. He probably sent 100 images every day, just different designs.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he should send me sketches and shit of what he's working on. You should see his workout.

Speaker 2 Like, he draws his own work, like a whole comic

Speaker 1 book of his workout. He's his workout.

Speaker 2 It's retarded. He's just so...

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Speaker 1 Yeah, it's crazy. That's funny.
Yeah. Well, I mean, that's how you become a guy that's that successful in so many different areas.
He's creative genius. You have to be driven.

Speaker 2 You got to be driven, man. You got to

Speaker 2 get on that bike and exercise that cardio. Like he's

Speaker 2 got agility. He got that agility just up and on it.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I feel like that kind of brain, though, is like a Ferrari engine.

Speaker 1 Like, you got to know how to handle that. You got to know how to handle that thing.
You're going to go into the woods. You're going to spin off the road and hit a fucking tree.

Speaker 1 And that's the problem with a guy like Kanye. It's just like his brain has more horsepower than the average brain.
And, you know, he's on a road where everybody else is going 35 miles an hour.

Speaker 1 And he's like, get the fuck out of my way. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, because he's got that Ferrari engine, but that engine, you will spin out. The tires won't hold.
You will take a corner too fast. Yeah, you'll go sideways.

Speaker 2 Yeah, this is the crash-out bucket right here.

Speaker 1 And what's with the helmet? What's the crash-out?

Speaker 1 Why'd you choose the helmet?

Speaker 2 I feel like this is one of the lucrative helmets that they wear when they go to war.

Speaker 1 Lucrative? Yeah, lucrative.

Speaker 2 You know, this is the crash-out buckets because I feel like when you wear this helmet, you were already crashed out. It's like you committed to the crash out.

Speaker 1 Right, right, right. You're all in.
All in.

Speaker 2 So I feel like we at war right now with the Democrats.

Speaker 1 I know you.

Speaker 1 Isn't that crazy to say?

Speaker 2 I know.

Speaker 1 It's crazy to say, but I know exactly what you're saying. Exactly.
I just can't believe people say it, and it's true. It's wild life right now.

Speaker 1 Like the Democrats are now the Republicans. Yes.
It's wild. They're the ones trying to control speech.

Speaker 2 They didn't even clap for the little kid.

Speaker 1 No. That was bullshit.
They didn't crap for the little kid. They didn't clap for the lady who got fucked up by that volleyball player that was a dude.

Speaker 1 And they didn't clap for Lake and Riley, who got murdered by the illegal lady. That's crazy.
It's just, we're so divided. It's so that's the you can't clap for a little kid or survive cancer.

Speaker 1 What the fuck is wrong with you?

Speaker 2 Yeah, where your heart at?

Speaker 1 But he's he's on their side, so you can't clap for this little kid. Like you're upset.
This little kid is watching you not clap at him.

Speaker 1 That's crazy. That's a little child.
Hurting his heart. A child with cancer.
And

Speaker 1 you can't put your shit aside to give that kid some love. That's crazy.
Yeah, that's

Speaker 1 it.

Speaker 1 We have to stop the division in this country. And I feel like people are digging in their trenches.
They're digging in deeper and deeper. And really, we should be encouraging the opposite.

Speaker 1 Most of what people are arguing about all day long in politics is not affecting your life. It's bullshit.

Speaker 2 It's all bullshit. It's bullshit.

Speaker 1 And you could get caught up in it, and it could become your whole life, and you will waste your life thinking about that stuff instead of thinking about stuff that you actually have control over.

Speaker 2 Exactly.

Speaker 1 Your family, your friends,

Speaker 1 your life. Yeah.
Stuff that's actually important, which is what you should be thinking about most of the time.

Speaker 1 But some people, they think about that and then think, yeah, what are these motherfuckers doing behind the scenes? They're stealing my fucking taxes,

Speaker 1 doing this, and bringing in the illegals. And what are they doing with the trans kids? Non-stop.
Yeah, it's non-stop, man.

Speaker 2 That's why we got to bring comedy comedy and love back and then joyable laughs on X, making people were you on Twitter before Elon bought it? Yeah, I was on there before.

Speaker 1 Did you get in trouble at all?

Speaker 1 Back then, like a little lighter.

Speaker 2 Obviously, back then, I was representing the NFL.

Speaker 2 Some stuff I can't really

Speaker 2 talk on.

Speaker 1 Are you representing City Bell right now?

Speaker 1 Yeah, some of this shit you write is wild. Yeah.
Yeah, you get wild. But it's funny.
Yeah. That's like, that's what I go to Twitter for.
I don't want to be mad.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 We don't want to scratch people. I wanted people to come to my ex-page and fucking ball out your ass.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So when you did the awards,

Speaker 1 like, who put that together?

Speaker 2 Me and my guy, Jacob. We put it together.
Genius.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Genius.
That was amazing. And everybody loved it.
It was huge.

Speaker 2 I think it was bigger than the awards show or the Oscars. I feel like we had a lot of numbers.

Speaker 1 You had a lot of numbers on X, man. Like, a lot of people watched that.

Speaker 1 What was the final numbers on that I think almost 200 million engagement that is so crazy on the X yeah that's so crazy but it's fun people are starving for fun they need excitement yeah a little uncomfortable but a little cool because people uncomfortability cool when it's like also you're doing it all with a big smile it's a happiness yeah you're having a good time

Speaker 2 making people feel good yeah that's what we need more

Speaker 1 Are you going to do more award shows? I need to.

Speaker 2 We need to do more, especially if you're a part of it. If you're going to come support it, of course.

Speaker 1 I'll support.

Speaker 1 I'll get a bunch of guys to come too.

Speaker 2 We need to do a real experience, like a real show awards, but we have it.

Speaker 1 I feel like you could do it every quarter. You could do it like once a quarter.
Every three months, yeah. Why not? Get some sponsors.
Let's go.

Speaker 1 You know, because like that's a legitimate show. Like, fuck all these other award shows.
Like, I didn't watch the Oscars.

Speaker 2 There's so much politics.

Speaker 1 It's just not even fun. I know.
They're talking about politics in Ukraine and this and Gaza and Palestine. Keep back to this.

Speaker 1 You're making movies. Just make your fucking movie.

Speaker 2 Hey, just go right to the theaters and keep it.

Speaker 1 This is what we did. We work real hard.
Everybody, thank you, everybody, for all your hard work. Yay, we won.
That's it. That's it.
That's all I want to hear from you. That's all I want to hear.

Speaker 1 I'm not interested in someone who lies for a living because that's what they do. They pretend to be somebody else.
For a living, tell me how I should view the world.

Speaker 1 I like to go to other people for that, please. Thank you.
You're welcome. Yeah, you're...
You fucking people are just

Speaker 1 actors.

Speaker 1 Just because you're famous doesn't mean what you have to say is important. Exactly.
Especially at a a fucking award show.

Speaker 1 Imagine like taking your time and you're going to use that award show to denounce

Speaker 1 politics and proclaim your platform. Like,

Speaker 1 just ruin shit. Bull rings.
Super war. Bull ring.
Yours is fun. You could have a giant audience.
You could have musical performers. You could have a real show.

Speaker 2 Yeah, man. People look forward to it and feel happy about it.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Fuck yeah. It made people feel good for doing great things, man.

Speaker 1 Yes. And it's also like the fun thing about you doing something like that, too, is it lets other people know, like, oh, I could cut loose, too.

Speaker 1 Maybe a little opening. Yeah, maybe a little bit more.
Maybe a little comedy fun. Yeah, maybe someone will pay attention to me.
Maybe I can crack some good jokes and have some fun.

Speaker 2 Good humor to bring people together.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 Well, that's one cool thing that I am seeing from a lot of former athletes. They're starting podcasts.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I like the podcast.

Speaker 1 This world of space. Yeah, it's like it's a good way for guys to just sit around and shoot the shit.
and be expressive. Look at Pat McAfee.
He's fucking killing it. He's killing it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he's taking to a whole new level after their career.

Speaker 1 Exactly. Yeah, but that's like a great example of what's possible for a lot of former athletes.
Yeah. Especially fun guys like you.
Yeah. Have you thought about doing a podcast? I would love to.

Speaker 2 I just started a little one CTSPN, but I think I need it.

Speaker 2 I feel like I don't want to be the guy that's just talking about.

Speaker 2 I feel like sometimes you get a little watered down when you just

Speaker 2 talking too much. I feel like as a player, I always was about action.
I love to talk and be funny and creative, but sometimes it depends on

Speaker 2 what's the seriousness and the purpose coming behind it.

Speaker 2 What's the meaning?

Speaker 1 Oh, believe me, I know. I talk too much.
I talk four or five days a week sometimes.

Speaker 2 No, but your opinion is really good.

Speaker 2 I like seeing you give your opinion. And you always real.
You're a realist.

Speaker 1 I got a lot of people. I'm not real.

Speaker 2 Keep it officially.

Speaker 2 Tell the truth how they're feeling. So, you know, it's always amazing to be here with you on a

Speaker 2 experience experience here. It's real.

Speaker 1 Well, I feel very fortunate that my job depends on me being real. Yeah.
So, you're like, you don't have an option.

Speaker 2 A lot of people can't really pay that price. How do you come to a source when you're sewing where you can just be 100% genuine about how you feel and who you are?

Speaker 1 I kind of always have been that way.

Speaker 1 I think that's my CTE. I love that.

Speaker 1 That's your trauma.

Speaker 1 When I was young, man, I got hit in the head a lot. And I think all my years of sparring and fighting, I think, rattled something loose.
I rattled the give a fuck part loose.

Speaker 1 Whereas, like, I don't care as much if other people are mad at me as some people do. I don't care as much.
I mean, it doesn't, I don't like it.

Speaker 1 I don't like it if people are upset at me, but it doesn't ruin my life like it does with some people. I can just like

Speaker 1 also, I think I have

Speaker 1 enough real-world perspective to know what's actually important in this life.

Speaker 1 And it's not really necessarily other people's opinions, especially the type of opinions of people that get upset all the time about everything. They're not valuable opinions.

Speaker 1 So even if they're making you out to be the worst person that's ever lived, like according to them, but they're idiots. Like you have to, you have to be able to have perspective.
And

Speaker 1 if you feel a certain way and you don't tell people, if you think a certain way, you don't tell people, you're doing a disservice to you. You're doing a disservice to them.

Speaker 1 Like, nobody is, nobody's benefiting from that. Nobody.

Speaker 2 No one's benefiting you holding back.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 So how do you handle criticism? You just

Speaker 2 handle it with the achievement, right? Just don't say nothing, right?

Speaker 1 Just keep going, just keep going. Achieve more, right? Yeah.

Speaker 1 This thing called life is going to keep on rolling.

Speaker 1 Just ignore it. I mean, if I'm my worst critic.
So if I have a bad show, If I do something I don't like or wish I didn't do, I am upset at myself more than other people are going to to be anyway.

Speaker 2 And you're a realist.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so I'm not interested in the opinions of people that are easily upset by almost anything.

Speaker 2 How do you feel about crypto, man? You got Phantom Wallet? How do you get your money in crypto?

Speaker 1 Well, Jamie and I have been talking about starting our own bullshit coin.

Speaker 2 No. That'd be dope.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Not bullshit coin. I thought you were going to do a pull it up Jamie coin.
No, no, no.

Speaker 2 What about the butt coin?

Speaker 1 You heard of butt coin? No, what's butt coin?

Speaker 2 The dodging new dodge coin?

Speaker 1 Hmm? Dodging.

Speaker 2 I wrote a show today at Dodge New Dodge coin. I mean, it's a bunch of coins.

Speaker 1 There's like a million coins, right? Exactly. How many coins are there? How many like meme coins?

Speaker 1 It's over. It's over? Yeah.
What do you mean? The meme coin? It all fell apart. Like, when?

Speaker 1 This week? Yeah. Jamie.

Speaker 1 For real? Everything fell apart. Why did it fall apart? Because it's nonsense.

Speaker 1 I hope we didn't ruin it by talking about it.

Speaker 1 We could have. I don't know.
I'm thinking about lost meme coins.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I'm not making it.
Portnoy kind of exposed it. It's all it's all over.
Because Portnoy was the only one that was looking at it, going, Am I going to jail? Like, is this legal?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I feel like you should. I was thinking about launching a coin myself that's really legit, that you don't own,

Speaker 2 you don't sell it, you don't rip it. That way, if it tanked, they make their money.
I feel like you could go to focus.xyz at AB and check it out.

Speaker 1 Is that yours? Yeah. Okay, so

Speaker 1 you promise not to pump and dump?

Speaker 2 Yeah, no pump and dump. It's unruggable.
Like, nobody could pump and dump it.

Speaker 1 Oh, you can't pull the rug out?

Speaker 2 Yeah, you can't pull the rug out. So that way it just stays and grows.
Because that's why I feel like that's what people get in trouble with all these coins, just pump and dump.

Speaker 2 People don't want to be scammed or fucked over or manipulated.

Speaker 2 So I feel like you got to have, for me, to make one coin, I feel like we got to make one that won't sell a tank, an uncardable one that you could. Focus on.
I think I'm going to put it out now.

Speaker 2 It's on focus.xyz slash ABC.

Speaker 1 There was this one coin that Hamzat Jamayev, the UFC fighter, released. That was,

Speaker 1 they were claiming that he did a pump and dump. And they were like, you ripped off your fans.
I'm like, yeah, you can't rip off your fans. You can't rip off your fans, obviously.

Speaker 1 But also, I don't know if the people that are buying those coins are fans. I think they're gamblers.
I think those people are just gamblers.

Speaker 1 And they're just trying to figure out, okay, if I buy in now and they're making money, they probably got like their finger over the sell button, waiting for it to get to a certain number and cash out.

Speaker 1 And cash out.

Speaker 2 It's like the casino at that point.

Speaker 1 100%.

Speaker 1 but it's it's more rigged than the casino because the casino like the person playing it can't rig it but this the person playing it is rigging it the person buying the coins can rig it like if you especially if you get a famous guy like Hamzat or someone else to tweet about it and make it a big deal and then the price goes up and then you just

Speaker 2 pick a peak peak number and when it hits that number like that's it yeah you can't fuck people over people no one's feeling good fuck without their

Speaker 1 decision. But also, who are these people? And why did they think they were going to make money on bullshit coins? Yeah, I don't know.
Like, what is... Are we, you know what I'm saying? Like,

Speaker 1 are we mad at the casino when someone blows all their money playing roulette? No. We're like, well, that's what you signed up for.
Like, you could have won money. Like, people win money on roulette.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. Or they don't.
But if you lose all your money on roulette, we're not mad at the casino. No.
So why are we mad when someone loses their money in meme coins?

Speaker 1 You know, it's like, what the fuck did you think was going to happen? I took a gamble. Yeah, you're literally buying a coin that's like a little doggy face.
And

Speaker 1 you took your whole life savings and you gambled on a doggy face coin? That's what? A fake money coin? Explain that to me.

Speaker 2 Dumbass of the day.

Speaker 1 That's dumbass of the day. Yeah, right.
It's like,

Speaker 1 and again, I feel terrible for anybody who got tricked into doing that shit, but I think most of those people are not getting tricked. They're like like scamming.

Speaker 1 They're trying to figure out, they're hustling. They're trying to figure out when to buy what to do.
It's figuring a way to make it big. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But the weird thing is like a guy like Portnoy can tweet about a coin, and then once he makes that post, the coin goes up and then he sells and he makes a million dollars. He's like, is that okay?

Speaker 1 Like, is that legal? Well, it turns out it is legal. That's totally legal to do.

Speaker 1 But like,

Speaker 1 shouldn't there be some fucking regulations? Because you can't do that with a lot of things.

Speaker 1 If you did that with the stock market, wouldn't you be in trouble if you did that with the stock market?

Speaker 1 Like, if you tweeted about a stock and then that stock went up and then you sold right away, like if you're like, I'm bullish on this stock and then that stock goes up and then you sell right away.

Speaker 1 Is that a pump and dump? It is, right? Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's not.

Speaker 1 Is that totally legal?

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. It's legal.

Speaker 1 Talk on the microphone, bro. I have no idea why that wouldn't be illegal, but

Speaker 1 that's not pumping.

Speaker 1 But you're promoting it, right? That's not pumping, though. Pumping literally is you're putting money up.

Speaker 1 Okay, so you're putting money to elevate the price. It has to be seen.
There has to be something to look at. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So that's the question. So it all starts out with some real money.
Yep.

Speaker 2 Right. Yeah, you got to put something in on it.
You can't just start off. You got to have your money.

Speaker 1 How much money?

Speaker 2 How muchever you could put.

Speaker 1 How much is a coin like... It all starts.
It literally depends. It's over.
I'm telling you, this is over. It's not worth learning it now.
Jamie's funny. It's over.
You know what that means?

Speaker 1 That means Jamie's stockpiling coins. No, I'm not going to be able to do it.
He's trying to bring down the price.

Speaker 1 Don't you feel it? He's trying to get it low. He's saying the ups.
He's trying to bring down the price.

Speaker 1 That's not how this game works. I know.
It's clearly the opposite of how it would work if I was. You don't have to lie to us.
We love you.

Speaker 2 I've seen you get high with Elon Musk on here. He hit the joint and it's like...

Speaker 1 Allegedly.

Speaker 2 He hit the joint. Allegedly.
Allegedly, yeah, allegedly. I like that.

Speaker 1 You got in trouble for that.

Speaker 1 Because he has top secret clearance. Yeah, I figured he was.
Think about that. We can't show that on YouTube anymore.
YouTube is.

Speaker 2 YouTube is not liking the smoke money.

Speaker 1 YouTube is taking some

Speaker 1 precautions. Protection.
Make sure base smokes, man.

Speaker 2 50 states.

Speaker 1 The stuff that you have is legal in 50 states? Yes. I don't even want to ask how.
I just trust you.

Speaker 2 Base mokes. Base smokes.

Speaker 1 How's it legal in 50 states? I'm going to ask how. Base smokes.
Right.

Speaker 2 Base smokes. You got to explain to us.
I know how it's legal.

Speaker 1 How?

Speaker 2 Base Moches got the paperwork.

Speaker 1 He figured it out. Well, it also.
He got hemp.

Speaker 2 He selled hemp as well. Oh, okay.
So that was the key about it. To be able to get the clearance in 50 states, base smokes.

Speaker 1 I don't know how the DEA feels about that, but I feel like

Speaker 1 we're just a few years away from it being completely legal. I know Kamala was saying that she wanted to make it legal if she got into office.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's the best thing she ever said.

Speaker 1 Want some coffee? Yeah. I hope Trump does it too.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that'd be cool.

Speaker 1 I really do, because it's stupid. Thank you, brother.

Speaker 1 I mean, if you don't want to smoke pot, don't smoke pot. If you don't want to drink whiskey, don't drink whiskey.

Speaker 2 She had a choice.

Speaker 1 Yeah, just give people choice.

Speaker 1 And don't tell me it's all bad for you. Stop.
You don't know. You don't know.
You obviously don't smoke weed. Shut your mouth.

Speaker 2 You dig?

Speaker 1 It's going to make you lazy and ruin the children. No.
No, you have lazy kids. You get kids high, they get paranoid.
When they get paranoid, they work harder. Oh, I got to get kids going.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you start picturing yourself old in your deathbed. Like, what did I do?

Speaker 2 Like, oh, my God, I got to get to work. I got to get you going.

Speaker 1 Sometimes a little paranoid is good for you.

Speaker 1 I like it.

Speaker 2 I'm going to put that fire in you to get going.

Speaker 1 Yeah, comfort is the worst poison that a man can consume.

Speaker 2 Don't seek comfort.

Speaker 1 No, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 Got to commit to being a difference.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you get to enjoy comfort when you earn it. You know, long day's work.

Speaker 1 You want to come home, sit in front of the television, watch a little Netflix, have a good time, have a nice meal at a restaurant. Yeah, yeah, you earned that.

Speaker 1 But don't think that's what you want out of life. I just want to retire and drink.
Jordan Peterson talked about this. He said, what's your vision of retirement?

Speaker 1 It's like, is your vision of retirement, sitting on the beach, drinking margaritas? Like, how long do you think you can do that for? Maybe a day. Yeah, two days, a week, two weeks.

Speaker 1 You're going to be depressed. You have no purpose in life.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think the problem really is that a lot of people don't have any purpose while they're working. Like a lot of people aren't fortunate to pursue a career in football and to be

Speaker 1 a podcaster or something they enjoy. They're doing something that sucks.
So they can't wait until they don't have to do the thing that sucks.

Speaker 1 And they think, oh, I could just be free just to lay around and do nothing. Like, man, you better find something to do.

Speaker 1 You better go play golf.

Speaker 1 Life's always about being driven the moment you think is you could stop and just not do nothing then yeah you're gonna be stopped you gotta keep going exactly yeah that's what i tell all my friends to start getting successful you know people like oh you made it you can relax now i go listen to me there is no made it that is made it when you're done there's no there's no made it made it is not real it is just life exactly you're living life you're successful good that means you have an obligation to work harder to keep it rolling hold up that's standard you gotta stand it to it you gotta keep going You got to push it harder now.

Speaker 1 But there's no made it. There's no fucking holding hands and walking out into the sun.

Speaker 2 That's just the mentality for people who

Speaker 2 in that contentment just

Speaker 2 wanting to be content in regards of everything's done, right?

Speaker 1 Yes. They want to get off work.

Speaker 1 That's what it is. They want to get off work.

Speaker 2 They want to go do some

Speaker 1 on their own time. Yeah, because most people are not really living.
They're just surviving. They're just existing.

Speaker 2 Doing what they have to do. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And the only time they feel like they're living is they're hanging out with their friends. Yeah.
Having fun, relax. But you can't do that professionally.
So you got to find something.

Speaker 1 You got to find something you enjoy as much as your hobbies. Figure out how to do that.

Speaker 2 Got to live life, you know what I mean? Healthy. Yeah.
Exercise, what you eat.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You know what I mean? Yes.
When you first started posting wild shit on Twitter, did anybody ever call you and go, hey, man, of course,

Speaker 1 everyone. They're like, bro, what the fuck?

Speaker 2 They're like, calling my phone like, bro, you idiot.

Speaker 1 You calling people crackers now? What the fuck is wrong?

Speaker 2 I'm like, bro, it's it's an uncomfortable sense of humor for comedy, bro.

Speaker 1 Well, cracker is the most benign of all insults. That doesn't work at all.
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 It's like everyone loves crackers. Yeah, no one's upset.
Crackers, cheese-its.

Speaker 1 No one's upset.

Speaker 2 I just feel like when they first started, when I first started, they're like, What the hell is you doing? Or if I get out of the day, they're like, whoa.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 I was like, you know what? It's not meant to like, it's meant to bring people up to say like, yo, we could have a funny moment.

Speaker 1 For fun. Yeah.
Yeah, fun.

Speaker 2 Yeah, enjoy yourself, man.

Speaker 1 Enjoy yourself. Yeah, we need a lot more of that.

Speaker 1 But I think, you know, we were conditioned because of the way the old Twitter worked to be very careful of what you said, very cautious of what you said. And also, there was real consequences.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You wouldn't just get banned from Twitter. You might get banned from Facebook and everything else as well, and then get labeled a dangerous person.

Speaker 2 I remember when one of my football friends,

Speaker 2 Bashar Minihall, back in the days, he tweeted, it was like 2012, he tweeted about like 9-11 when he was playing. And I remember right away,

Speaker 2 they had like the Feds calling his phone, newspaper.

Speaker 1 It was crazy. What did he say?

Speaker 2 He just like, I don't think we should be celebrating

Speaker 2 the death, I think the death of Osama bin Laden. I think we was...
for the 9-11 attack, I think in 2012, I think he must, we just killed him. America just had killed him.

Speaker 2 So I feel like he tweeted something, and it was like

Speaker 2 back. That's when back when Twitter was like, you were limited with what you could say.

Speaker 2 That was a prime example of, you know.

Speaker 1 And did they attack him?

Speaker 2 Yeah, attacked him all over the news. I think that was his last year with the Steelers.

Speaker 1 Really? Literally. They got rid of him because of a tweet.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 God damn. What did he say? Can you find out what he said? Rashad Minerhal said

Speaker 2 9-11. Shout out to Rashad Minerhal, man.

Speaker 1 That's my brother.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 that was a dangerous time to say controversial shit. You'd lose your whole career, and you couldn't get it back.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, it'll be over.

Speaker 1 You couldn't get it back back then.

Speaker 1 I wasn't getting it back. There was no, nobody rebounded from those days.
Like, there was people that had

Speaker 1 big public personas, and then they kind of got removed from the conversation. And even when they got brought back years later, they were so devastated.

Speaker 2 Out of it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Traumatized. They had CT by that time.

Speaker 1 Like, legit. They're trauma.
Like you're legitimately worried. So what does he say? Mendehal's post, day after bin Laden news broke, said, what kind of person celebrates death?

Speaker 1 It's amazing how people can hate a man they have never heard speak. We only heard one side.
He also tweeted September 11 attacks. We never know what really happened.

Speaker 1 I just have a hard time believing a plane could take a skyscraper down demolition style. The latter post is eventually removed by Mendehal's Twitter page.

Speaker 1 Wendez offering was a different story. I appreciate those who've decided to read this this letter and attain a greater understanding of my recent Twitter post.

Speaker 1 See if they've gotten misconstrued.

Speaker 1 And I wanted to use this outlet as a way to clear up things that do not truthfully represent myself, what I stand for personally, and any organization that I'm a part of.

Speaker 1 First, I want people to understand I'm not in support of bin Laden or against the USA.

Speaker 1 I understand how devastating 9-11 was to this country and to the people whose families were affected, not just in the USA, but families all over the world who had relatives in the World Trade Center.

Speaker 1 My heart goes out to the troops who fight for our freedoms every day, not being certain if they will have the opportunity to return home and the families who watched their loved ones bravely go off to war.

Speaker 1 Last year, I was grateful enough to have the opportunity to travel overseas, to participate in a football camp and put on for the children of U.S. troops sanctions in Germany.

Speaker 1 It was a special experience. These events had a significant impact in my life.
Oh, point out the Celebrates Death tweet.

Speaker 1 This controversial statement was something I said in response to the amount of joy I saw in the event of murder.

Speaker 1 I don't believe this is an issue of politics or American pride, but one of religion, morality, and human ethics.

Speaker 1 See, that's the problem with tweets because you're writing something, it's 120 characters back then, and it's just

Speaker 1 a complicated issue like that thing. Like, maybe we shouldn't be celebrating death.
Maybe we shouldn't be celebrating murder. Exactly.
You know, maybe we should...

Speaker 1 Instead of having joy and cheering, maybe we should wonder how that guy got into the position he's in in the first place. Like what happened?

Speaker 1 If you know the whole history of Osama bin Laden, it's kind of fucking crazy because he worked for us. He was the head of the Mujahideen.
Yeah. Yeah, and we trained them.

Speaker 1 The CIA trained them to fight against the Soviets.

Speaker 1 And, you know, we

Speaker 1 fucking armed those people, supplied them, got them going. And then they, you know, after a while, they're like, fuck these people.
They turned on America.

Speaker 1 And instead of being our ally, they were our worst enemy. What are you doing over there, Snapchat? What's going on? No, I was touching on the stage.
You don't Snapchat, dude.

Speaker 2 I don't want to be Snapchat.

Speaker 1 No, the kids Snapchat. My kids don't even text.
They just snap their friends.

Speaker 1 They're in the middle of the movie theater or something. They're like, take a weird face, send it to their friends.
Like, what are you doing? This is a weird way to communicate.

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Speaker 2 Snapchat just got all the filters of the face. You could just make it clear with the text.

Speaker 1 Kids are just all in addicted to Snapchat. Oh, he's texting my son.
You know, another thing that's weird too is they all have a snap map. So they know what they're doing.

Speaker 1 They're like, oh, she's with him, that fucking bitch. You know, like,

Speaker 1 you see, you see where all your friends are.

Speaker 1 Like, you got a map of all your friends that you let

Speaker 1 everywhere.

Speaker 1 It's weird, man. They're all little surveillance experts.
standing on the map yeah they're all little narks they're all narking at each other

Speaker 1 but the crazy thing is they give it up to each other they all like you have to if you have friends you have to let your friends know where you are on the snap map and if you block it like if you block it temporarily where what is she doing where do you go what is he up to you off the grid he's off the grid what is this motherfucker what is he doing

Speaker 1 yeah man kids today they don't have any fucking privacy no no, everything is exposed. Everything's exposed.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 What year were you born? 88, 1988. Okay, so by the time you were 20 years old, phones were just starting to arrive, right? Like 98-ish.

Speaker 1 You're right.

Speaker 2 Flip phones next to us.

Speaker 1 Remember the sidekicks? Yeah, flip it over. I was so jealous.
Like, wow, you got a keyboard.

Speaker 2 You need that. Yeah,

Speaker 1 that's crazy. You got a little keyboard.
And then people's sidekicks were getting hacked. Remember Paris Hilton? Some pussy photos got out of the the way?

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 2 she had design of vagina.

Speaker 1 Maybe she just had a pretty one.

Speaker 1 Some girls are just born with a pretty one. Crazy.
But some girls do get designer vaginas, which is like, ladies, you don't have to do that.

Speaker 1 Don't do that. We don't care what it looks like.
Yeah. I don't mind a little chaos down there.

Speaker 2 I don't mind a little Harry Potter.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you don't have to.

Speaker 2 I don't have to with my wand still.

Speaker 1 You don't have to trim it up, make it look like the perfect wonton. That's not necessary.

Speaker 2 If it's hairy, then I mean it's not really being spanked a lot.

Speaker 1 I don't know if that's true. There's a lot of hairy ladies with loose morals.
Damn.

Speaker 2 I thought a hairy pussy is not a busy pussy.

Speaker 1 It depends on what she's doing with it. She might just let it work because nobody's getting it.
Maybe.

Speaker 2 Maybe. She cleaned it off.
That means she's getting ready to give it.

Speaker 1 I guess dudes do get dick operations, right? Because they get circumcised. That's a dick look.

Speaker 2 This must be a shortage of dick. I heard how much pussy I'm getting.

Speaker 1 Well, that's always the story, is that 80% of the women are dating 20% of the men.

Speaker 1 That's the real story. That's the ratio, huh? That's the reality.
80% of the women are attracted to and are dating, or excuse me, yeah, 80% of the women are attracted to and are dating 20% of the men.

Speaker 1 Always. So that's why there's so many incels in this world.

Speaker 2 Too many ratios.

Speaker 1 So many dudes just jerking off and playing video games because nobody wants them.

Speaker 1 And that's a self-fulfilling prophecy because if you keep jerking off and playing video games, you're never going to succeed in life.

Speaker 1 So no one's ever going to look at you like, hmm.

Speaker 2 You never going to get get the opportunity.

Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 Damn. I'm glad I'm

Speaker 1 born in this era. Yeah, that is a terrifying era to navigate for kids.

Speaker 1 Also, the ability to just send a dick picture when you're 15, that's crazy. Yeah.

Speaker 2 You could just pop it out.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's not. Yes.
That's too much responsibility for a young man to like watch a young man a nuclear weapon.

Speaker 1 He can't handle that. Yeah.
That's

Speaker 1 too much movie. That's way too much.
That's way too much. And then they all got porn now, which is even crazier.

Speaker 2 It's too available nowadays. Too much had to finger these kids.

Speaker 1 Yeah, instantaneously. Not just porn, but murder.
Man, me and my friend Tom Seguoro. Do you know Tom Seguro? I heard of his name.
He's hilarious. You need to do his show.

Speaker 1 He would have you on.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Your mom's house.
It's a great podcast. A huge podcast.

Speaker 1 But he and I send each other every day the worst shit we could find on the internet. Wow.
The worst shit that comes across my Instagram feed, I send it to Tom. It's every day.

Speaker 1 It's someone getting murdered.

Speaker 2 The worst shit of the day, some craziness on there, right? It's always some shit like, wow.

Speaker 1 Oh, and it's not one time a day.

Speaker 1 It's like multiple times a day. We're traumatizing each other.
It's like, what the hell is this? Today was a dude who crashed his motorcycle right into a gas truck. This dude just rode his motorcycle.

Speaker 1 The bike explodes, catches on fire. The tank explodes.
The dude gets cooked. Damn.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 He's just wearing fried turkey on

Speaker 1 one day he's riding his motorcycle, enjoying freedom. And then a second later, boom.
I've seen every horrible video that's on the internet. Every one of them.

Speaker 2 That's crazy.

Speaker 2 That's fucking ludicrous. The internet is undefeated, but it is off shit.
Like, we run the internet.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 It's open. Yeah.
That's the beautiful thing. Like, you get these memes.

Speaker 1 I don't even know who's making them, and they're hilarious. And they're just coming.
Someone's texting them to you.

Speaker 1 All the time.

Speaker 2 I seen one

Speaker 2 I see one today I posted it was like the wrestling guy has a no condoms and then Elon Musk

Speaker 2 I was like I don't like condoms either so I could have put my name

Speaker 1 yeah Elon Musk has how many kids now that we know of I knew he was again so much pussy I thought Elon Musk was a calm guy

Speaker 1 I wouldn't say he's calm I mean, I think it's going back to like the Kanye Ferrari engine analogy. It's the same kind of thing.
It's just in a different realm.

Speaker 1 That's what he is with rocket science and car design and

Speaker 2 satellites and spaceship and the pussy.

Speaker 1 Exactly. Also, like when you are literally the richest man in the world,

Speaker 2 it just come to you, right?

Speaker 1 What are his DMs like?

Speaker 2 His DMs. Jumping out the gym, huh?

Speaker 1 Full of ditties. His DMs must be.

Speaker 2 Full of bitties, huh? Back shots everywhere.

Speaker 1 Everything. Everything.
Squats and

Speaker 1 fingers and

Speaker 1 sucking on bananas. It's like his DMs must be wild.

Speaker 2 He's got a movie theater in his DM.

Speaker 1 There's girls just thinking, like, what's the move? What's the right thing to send him?

Speaker 2 You know, Sean Kingston?

Speaker 1 My guy loves you. No.

Speaker 2 He's calling right. He never met Sean Kingston.
He's calling me right now because he's lost.

Speaker 1 What's up?

Speaker 2 Yo, Sean.

Speaker 1 What's up, Sean?

Speaker 1 What's going on, my man? How you doing?

Speaker 1 I'm a huge fan, man. We got to do an interview, man.
It's my brother you got up there, man. Tony O'Brien is my brother, man.
He loves you. All right, man.
Well, cool. That sounds great.

Speaker 1 I love him for you.

Speaker 1 I would love to go up there.

Speaker 2 What's up, A Bizzle? What's up, baby?

Speaker 1 Here is Joe right now.

Speaker 1 We're live right now.

Speaker 2 You live right now, Sean.

Speaker 2 Yeah, shout out to Joe Rogan, the best motherfucking podcast.

Speaker 1 Can I curse? I don't know. Yeah, you're loud.
You're loud. It's the best podcast.
I go to sleep watching this. This man talks so many.
This man got knowledge of a man.

Speaker 2 Listen, Joe Rogan is the best.

Speaker 1 Thank you, sir. Appreciate you, man.
Thank you very much. Thank you.
Love, brother. Love you, brother.

Speaker 2 Call you after, brother.

Speaker 1 yeah they want they're excited everyone's excited i'm here even theo vaughn told me play some trick daddy oh okay everyone loves you theo's the best theo's the man too i love that dude he's the best he's so unique yeah he's different i don't know anybody like him cool calm yeah got the uh the mullet going he's fine and just the way he talks like he's so ridiculous yeah he got the country country Theo and I went to dinner the other night and we're sitting at the table eating dinner for an hour and a half.

Speaker 1 We're just non-stop crying, laughing. Just crying, laughing.
At the end of it, like, my sides hurt when we got up from the table. I was like, oh my god, that was so much fun.

Speaker 1 Having friends like that is the best because, like, everywhere you go, it's like you have a personal show.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's always entertaining.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we're just always fucking around and having fun.

Speaker 2 What about Shane Gillis? He's a hilarious man.

Speaker 1 He's the best. He's the best, right?

Speaker 2 He's the best.

Speaker 1 He's hilarious. Yeah, we were just hanging out Tuesday night.
Yeah, Shane's awesome. He loves you, too.
Yeah, that's my heart. Yeah, all my comedian friends love you.

Speaker 2 They're all sharing your shit all the time.

Speaker 1 I love this guy. Yeah, he was excited when he got Cracker Cracker of the Year, too.

Speaker 2 He's amazing,

Speaker 1 he's killing it, too. He is, he's killing it.
He's so funny, man.

Speaker 1 And he's such a good guy. Like, he's such a sweetheart.

Speaker 2 Jr. And you can just see by his smile, prayer heart.

Speaker 1 100%. Yeah, prayer heart guy.
Just sweetheart of a guy. And, you know, I'm just glad there's more people like that in the world.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we need more people like that, like him. Yeah.
In the world, that's just, you know, prayer, doing what they love, giving back comedy, making people light up.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And

Speaker 1 spreading fun again, back to the same thing that you do. Fun.
Yeah, fun.

Speaker 2 These people enjoy themselves again, you know, just be our natural selves, make the uncomfortable a little comfortable, a little fun.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Well, especially in today's era of everybody, we're getting past the days where everything was like tight and everybody was going crazy. And I think things are lightening up.
And

Speaker 1 thanks to Elon buying X, that had a huge impact because I think people realized that it wasn't just them that was thinking things had gone too far. It was most people.

Speaker 1 But they didn't have a way to express themselves because if they said it, they got attacked.

Speaker 2 Yeah, no one wants to ruin what they built up for a couple seconds on what they say. Exactly.
It takes so long to build your shit.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like we just showed.

Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 You lose everything. You lose everything for one moment.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so you're sitting there, maybe you got a couple of drinks in you. And you're like, you know, I got to fucking say something.
Like, someone needs to be there to grab your hand.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yo, calm that shit down. Don't ruin everything when you built this shit.
Do it.

Speaker 2 Take yourself out the game.

Speaker 1 But I think now, if you do that, people go, yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm glad you said that because I was thinking the same thing. Yeah, exactly.
Like now it's different because people feel like they can express themselves, which is the real danger of censorship.

Speaker 1 Even if you don't agree with what someone is saying, you got to let them say it because if you don't, someone's going to limit what you say. And that's just the nature of free speech.

Speaker 2 Exactly. I feel like we all have the right to own a pin.
No matter if it's right or wrong, it's just your opinion.

Speaker 1 We 100%.

Speaker 1 Look, you don't have to go to your Twitter page. You don't have to go to my Twitter page.
You don't have to listen to this podcast. Yeah, it's your option.

Speaker 1 It's your option. But you should have that option.

Speaker 1 And you should have the option to express yourself. You should also have the option to say things.
And if you think that it was misconstrued, do what he did and lay it all out.

Speaker 1 This is how I really feel. This is my actual feelings.
And I feel like if you read that, he should have been completely forgiven. The idea that they traded him after that, that's disgusting.

Speaker 1 Because that's also censorship. Because now you're encouraging other people to keep their mouths shut.

Speaker 2 Exactly. Showing them the rules of what is going, the aftermath of what's going to come if you do that.

Speaker 1 100%.

Speaker 2 So it's grateful that we're in better times and things getting better. Yeah.
People were able to express theirself more on the XAP. And thanks, Elon Musk, giving us that good, you know.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Freedom of speech.

Speaker 1 I think the country's moving in a good direction.

Speaker 1 As long as we can avoid this fucking war, as long as we could avoid war and war with China and war with Russia and everybody else, if we could just avoid that, I think we're going to be okay.

Speaker 1 We just got to make it through with some weird shit. Yes.
And UFOs. And UFOs.

Speaker 2 You saw those UFOs.

Speaker 1 Yeah, man. They're everywhere.

Speaker 1 I don't know what to think.

Speaker 1 Some days I think they're all being visited, and

Speaker 1 some days I think it's all the government. It's all bullshit.
It's all drones.

Speaker 2 Some tech.

Speaker 2 Maybe some.

Speaker 1 What do you think it is? Maybe

Speaker 2 we need to just call the men in black.

Speaker 2 Well, see if they know.

Speaker 1 The men in black, I think, are real. I think that's government agents that come visit you after you've had some sort of an experience.
Maybe.

Speaker 1 I think that's what it is. I mean, there's always been these stories of men in black coming to visit people after they've had encounters.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 When it makes sense, if you're yapping about some shit, especially if it's actually some government shit that they're working on, and then you know, some two men in suits come up, and when you see two men show up in a Cadillac in suits, you automatically assume they're serious people.

Speaker 1 They get out with black suits, black ties, and they look at you and they tell you, hey, Antonio, we like to talk to you about your encounter. And then you're like, oh, shit, I'm in trouble.

Speaker 1 And then they're doing some hypnosis on you and some mind control shit, you know, and bringing you in a room, and then you leave. You don't know what the fuck happened.
What happened?

Speaker 1 Antonio got visited by the men in black. That's what I think the men in black is.
I think it's government agents, investigators.

Speaker 2 Government agents and investigators coming through.

Speaker 1 You've got to be. Or if there's like a legitimate UFO sighting, like something legitimately that the government doesn't know what the fuck it is.

Speaker 1 I think then also they would send people who were authority figures. What better authority figure than a man in a suit? Yeah.
You know?

Speaker 2 Yep.

Speaker 2 Random as fuck. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Will Smith, men in black, wearing a suit. I don't think they really can erase your memory.

Speaker 2 Oh, there they go, poop.

Speaker 1 I don't think they can do that. But I do think that they probably use mind control on you.
They probably hypnotize you. They probably

Speaker 1 manipulate the way you think, especially if you're under stress, if you're nervous, like you think you could be in trouble, like something's going on. It gets you.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I remember Tony Robbins kind of did that to me one time. He did it to you? Yeah, you know Tony Robbins.

Speaker 1 What did he do?

Speaker 2 He did that,

Speaker 2 kind of hypnosed me a little bit.

Speaker 1 Really? Yeah. How did he do it?

Speaker 2 You got to just sink some stuff in my spirit. Just like, yo, AB, go win the Super Bowl.
See yourself like this.

Speaker 1 Oh, really?

Speaker 2 Yeah, Tony Robbins, really amazing. I met him through Tom Brady.

Speaker 1 Oh, I'm a book all the time. Does Tom Brady use him too? Yeah.
So it like does mind coaching for you? Yeah,

Speaker 2 I I put you right to sleep, everything.

Speaker 1 Really? Yeah.

Speaker 1 So what would, how does it explain it to me? Like, lay it out. How does it work?

Speaker 2 It's kind of like, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Close your eyes.

Speaker 2 You just sell out of stuff and just bring it in. Just kind of put in your spirit.
You know, Tony Robbins, right?

Speaker 1 Sure. Famous.
Bro, I read his books

Speaker 1 when I was 21 years old in 1988. I was reading his books.

Speaker 1 When I was trying to figure out how to make it in comedy, I got a, it was like a cassette thing.

Speaker 1 Like, you have a bunch of cassettes, and there's like each one has like workbooks that you're supposed to like fill out stuff and goals and all these different things it's he's got like legit great information yeah i went and seen him in boca return maybe like 2020 right before uh got with tampa bay it was like yo you're gonna win the super bowl man you're gonna make a big catch see yourself Really?

Speaker 2 You just lock it in in my spirit. Just like, it's pretty cool, man.
Shout out to Tony Robbins.

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Speaker 1 I think there's something to that.

Speaker 2 He got a real good manifestation and just

Speaker 2 downloading and programming your body just for just seeing yourself at that place. It was another level.

Speaker 1 I think that shit works. I think there's limitations to it.
I don't think you could take like a sloppy accountant and say, you're going to beat Mike Tyson. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 You can't just do that.

Speaker 1 It doesn't work like that. It doesn't work like that.
But I think if you're already talented and you're already in the game and

Speaker 1 you could put some things in your mind and you can make some things happen.

Speaker 1 I think there's a little bit of something to that.

Speaker 1 But it's not everything. It's like, that's why, did you ever see that movie, The Secret?

Speaker 2 Of course. That's a nice book, too.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So The Secret, I think.

Speaker 2 It's about some of those things, right?

Speaker 1 It's about one aspect of it, but they concentrate too much on the one aspect.

Speaker 1 The one aspect is the visualization, which I think is an aspect. Like imagining,

Speaker 1 speaking it into being, that's one aspect.

Speaker 2 But there's a lot of other shit aspects, yeah.

Speaker 1 There's talent, there's hard work, there's good coaching. There's discipline.
There's discipline. Discipline is probably the most important.

Speaker 2 Yeah, the most important.

Speaker 1 As a football player, you must have felt like that, right?

Speaker 2 Of course. Discipline is the way you preeminate success.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 2 You go on the road trips and you messing with girls.

Speaker 1 Not getting sleep. Yeah, not getting sleep, not eating the right foods, exactly.

Speaker 2 Yep, not making your workouts and hitting those.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Studying that film.
Discipline, the most important.

Speaker 1 It's so important for everything in life. So, like, to think that the secret is the only thing, you just have to think around and visualize it.
Like, uh-uh. It's not the only thing.

Speaker 1 No, it's, it's an aspect that I think is real. But the problem is, people put so much emphasis on it that it becomes bullshit.
It becomes like woo-woo. They don't think it's real.
But it is an aspect.

Speaker 1 You know, Mike Tyson used to get hypnotized.

Speaker 2 Got to hypnotize yourself. I feel like it just make your vision a part of your spirit.

Speaker 2 Anytime you, you know, because I feel like you can write stuff down, write

Speaker 2 affirmations, affirmations.

Speaker 2 You could set goals.

Speaker 2 But to meditate on them and make them a part of your spirit.

Speaker 1 Like, yeah. It's different.

Speaker 1 Yeah, to deeply think about them, embed them in your consciousness. Yeah.
Make them a part of you. Yeah.
And then do all the work that's required to do it.

Speaker 1 do all your little things yeah you got to do all that shit too so that it can manifest everything come together yeah so that it can happen yeah and even then it might not happen yeah like you might not have done it right you maybe need more work you got to put all together again maybe you need more discipline maybe you need more hard work maybe you need better coaching but it's it's an aspect of success in life you know and i think with everything with being a good parent with being a good father with being a good husband with being a good friend with being a good employee a good boss like with everything like everything you do you have to like have a mindset of what you're trying to accomplish absolutely a vision and you gotta make it a part of you not just writing down yeah just making every aspect every step if you're gonna have success a part of you how many times did you do that with tony robbins i did it like three times yeah yeah well so his house in boca return did the first time freak you out because the first time was the probably the weirdest the first time i was a little weird but then when i'm like

Speaker 2 then when i went to sleep and woke up i'm like dang i feel refreshed like i feel like

Speaker 2 you know what i'm saying i feel like right i got some new feelings in myself because i feel at that point i was going through stuff in the nfl and i was kind of like was pissed off because i kind of knew like man these guys could just get you out your spot whenever you want

Speaker 2 but it's like it was just like i finally realized that you know what

Speaker 2 It's not even about me being right in the situation. It's about just being happy.
Like

Speaker 2 what made me happy in a situation instead of just focusing on, man, I'm right, man.

Speaker 1 They did this. I was right.
Right.

Speaker 2 Man, just let it go and be happy.

Speaker 1 Well, for a player, the best revenge is to be undeniable. Yes.
Right. People can talk all that shit, but when you're undeniable, they got to give it up.

Speaker 2 Got to deal with it.

Speaker 1 They got to give it up. That's the best revenge always.
And I think that's probably the case in everything in life. Yeah.
It's to be undeniable. If you're undeniable, everybody's got to be up.

Speaker 1 Shut the fuck up. Yeah.
Yeah. They all got to shut the fuck up.
And if they don't shut the fuck up, they look foolish.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Now they look like idiots.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Now they look like a fool.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Just talking for no reason because you know what happened.

Speaker 1 Exactly. You know?

Speaker 2 He's just a hater at that point.

Speaker 1 Oh, there's so many haters. Yeah.
There's so many haters. You got to love your ops.

Speaker 2 I feel like haters make you go harder.

Speaker 1 They make you work harder. Yeah,

Speaker 2 they bring the best out of you.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, they do. Haters are good.
Fat shaming works. Yeah.
All that stuff. Like haters, like

Speaker 1 the anger, jealousy, mean shit, like that motivates people. Yeah.
So long as you reciprocate it, never do it. Too much.
You just don't want too much.

Speaker 2 It's not overkill, but just a little tab.

Speaker 1 If you get a little bit of snake venom every day, you get immune to snake venom. Yeah.
Yeah. But if you get a big dose, it'll fucking kill you.
Yeah, take you out the game.

Speaker 1 Yeah, don't be like reading all your hate all day long. That's not good for you either.
But a few haters

Speaker 1 lets you know you're on the right track. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Let you know you're transacting.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you want a few haters. If you don't have haters, it means you're not doing good enough to have haters.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Everybody who's doing great gets haters.

Speaker 1 Some haters are hilarious, though. Some haters are so dumb.
It's like you wonder if they have real people. Like for fighters, it's my favorite.
Like, oh, he's a pussy.

Speaker 1 Like, what are you talking about? That man is literally a professional fighter. And you're calling him a pussy? That's one of the craziest things I've ever heard.

Speaker 2 Every fighter thinks, every other fighter is a pussy.

Speaker 1 They do. Yeah, everybody.
They think they're bitches.

Speaker 1 Well, that's the thing about alpha males. They think they're the only one that's an alpha male.
They don't think there's someone out there exactly like them.

Speaker 2 Like them, exactly.

Speaker 1 And maybe a little faster, and maybe a little stronger.

Speaker 2 Maybe balls a little bigger.

Speaker 1 Yeah, maybe some. Someone testosterone.
Yeah, maybe hands a little bigger, jaws a little wider. See how that little edge.

Speaker 1 Little edge that allows them to survive the firefight.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 How much UFC do you watch?

Speaker 2 I watch UFC every Saturday. Do you really? I love Bone Jones.
I love fighting.

Speaker 2 I feel like if I wasn't a player, I probably would have gotten into some sort of fighting. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Did you you ever do any martial arts at all?

Speaker 2 No, when I was little, my mom signed me up for karate.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Do a little jiu-jitsu.

Speaker 1 Oh, cool. Okay.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But never really got serious with it. No, a couple of shit.
Might be a fun hobby for you.

Speaker 2 I like training and working out with it, grappling, wrestling.

Speaker 1 Jiu-Jitsu is what I meant because that way you don't get hit. Yeah.
Like, I stopped sparring when I was like 27. Yeah, no hits to the heads, right?

Speaker 1 It's just, they count. Yeah.
Hits to the heads that

Speaker 1 counts. They all count.
All those little

Speaker 1 dinks, huh? All those little, they all count. Bang.
They all count. Yeah.
It all like

Speaker 1 shit's going to add up. It all adds up to some weird brain shit where it doesn't quite work right.
But

Speaker 1 this weekend's a big one, man. Pereira and Ankalaev.

Speaker 2 That's a big, yeah. Pereira been kicking ass, too.
He lost the last one, though, right? He's ready to bounce.

Speaker 1 No, no, he won. The last time he lost was against Israel Adesanya.
That was four fights against him.

Speaker 2 Adasanya Adasanya began his ass with a little bit, right? He'd been fighting too much. He fight like back-to-back to back to back.

Speaker 1 Well, he took a lot of time off, but he lost to Imavov, who's very, very good.

Speaker 1 And he lost to Drekis Duples. He was the champion before that.
But he was winning that fight, but he got caught and then he got strangled.

Speaker 1 You know, I mean,

Speaker 1 it's hard to stay on top, man. It's hard to stay on top.
And when he was in his prime, when he was dominating the division, he was the fucking man. He was going crazy.

Speaker 1 It's not like he's lost his skills, man. It's just this is a tough fucking sport.
It's a sport, huh? It's a tough fucking sport. And the sport does not rest.
The sport keeps on. Everybody's coming.

Speaker 1 These guys coming up. Every year they're better.

Speaker 1 Every year they're more complete. There's no like one-dimensional fighters anymore.
They can all do everything.

Speaker 2 All these guys could just freaking bang out.

Speaker 1 They can do everything. The best guys today are all

Speaker 1 super multifaceted. They all can do everything.
But then you have guys like Pereira, who's really a specialist.

Speaker 1 He's a kickboxing specialist. He's fire.
Do you ever watch him kickbox?

Speaker 2 Nah, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 I was a giant fan of his before he ever got to the UFC. I was telling everybody about him: like, if this guy gets to MMA, we got fucking problems.
You got problems.

Speaker 1 That guy, he just has to touch you once.

Speaker 2 Shit's going down.

Speaker 1 He's so different than anybody else in the division. Like, he knocks everybody out.
Everybody hits hard. They all hit hard.

Speaker 1 But that fucking dude hits hard, hard. Hard, hard.
You know, they have that punch machine. Oh, yeah, we can see the power.
What's his power? 190.

Speaker 1 Francis and Ganu had like 130.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, he got punch power.

Speaker 1 He's got more power than Nganu. That's crazy.
I mean, I can't even believe. I want to give Francis a second chance at it.
I feel like he wasn't swinging hard enough.

Speaker 1 I feel like if he knows the first circle,

Speaker 1 he was going to be aware of it. He's so much bigger.
I mean, Francis is like 270 natural. 270 pounds natural.
Fucking hog walking. Yeah, just giant.
Massive. Crazy.

Speaker 1 And I feel like he could probably punch harder than he did. I feel like if he knew that Pereira was going to break that record, give him a second crack.
He probably go a little harder.

Speaker 2 He probably punches a little more hip action.

Speaker 1 Yeah, a lot more. Yeah, just fucking.

Speaker 1 You know, but right now, I think

Speaker 1 Pereira has the hardest. See if you can find that video.
It's crazy to watch.

Speaker 1 He even does it with his right hand, which is not his power punch. And it's this.
His power punch is his left hook. His left hook is what he knocks out everybody with,

Speaker 1 but it might be that his left hook is faster and it's a better weapon because it's in the front, and his right hand is more powerful, but he just doesn't land it as often that way. Did you find it?

Speaker 1 It's crazy.

Speaker 1 You hear the thud? Put your headphones on, real quick. Listen to this.

Speaker 1 Oh, you didn't get it yet? Okay.

Speaker 1 You got it?

Speaker 1 Someone else talking about it.

Speaker 1 There it is. Okay, here we go.

Speaker 1 Put him on.

Speaker 1 What do you mean?

Speaker 1 X.com full video. Retry.
Yeah, it's up there. Oh, it disappeared? Somebody took it.
Here it is. That's not.

Speaker 1 That's not it? That's the picture.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 but the video's got to be on there. I just, yeah, you hold on, give me a second.
Okay, okay.

Speaker 1 Is that it?

Speaker 1 Yeah, here it is. Okay, give me some volume.

Speaker 1 191. Watch this.
Check this out.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 Bro.

Speaker 1 Bro, bro, bro. That's so.

Speaker 1 You have to understand how crazy that is.

Speaker 1 That's an insane amount of power. The hardest I've ever kicked it.
You're going now. Yeah, the hardest I've ever kicked it with legs.
Kicks are way harder. The hardest I ever kicked was like 152.

Speaker 2 And he punching 170?

Speaker 1 191. More than that.
191. 191 with a punch.

Speaker 1 It's insane. His power is just

Speaker 1 from God.

Speaker 1 It's like

Speaker 1 a crazy gift. It's different than everybody's power.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I never seen

Speaker 2 the kid he beat up, the other guy, Arsania.

Speaker 1 Adesanya? Yeah, he put him down. Well, he beat Adesanya in the first fight.
Adesanya knocked him out in the second fight. He came back and beat him, right? No, they didn't fight again.

Speaker 1 They never fought a third time. They fought before in kickboxing.
They fought twice more, twice before that in kickboxing. One time,

Speaker 1 Israel lost a decision that I think he should have won. The second time, Pereira knocked him out.
And then the third time, Pereira knocked him out in the UFC.

Speaker 1 And then the fourth time, Izzy knocked him out. Yeah, that's when he did.
That's when he did the fell with his son, right?

Speaker 2 He acted like he fell with his son.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He went crazy.
He went crazy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was awesome. But that's a big fight this weekend.
I'm pumped. Uncolive is good, man.
That guy's really good.

Speaker 2 Fight night? How excited do you get on fight night?

Speaker 1 Very excited. How old? Have you ever been to one live?

Speaker 2 I think I've been to one live in a floor.

Speaker 1 Bro, you should come this weekend.

Speaker 2 Come on, where is it?

Speaker 1 Vegas. Come on, let's go.
I'll hook it up. Come on, I'll get you tickets.

Speaker 2 I'm coming to Vegas.

Speaker 1 Let's go. I got you hooked up.
I got you hooked up. That's it.
Very good.

Speaker 1 I'll take care of it. I'll text the UFC as soon as we get out of here.
Yeah, you'll love it. You'll love it.
Live is like nothing else, man. It's crazy.
Especially in Vegas.

Speaker 2 Oh, Vegas, another level.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 And this is like.

Speaker 1 The Vegas ones are always huge. And this is a big one.
T-Mobile, sold out.

Speaker 1 You know, World Title Fight, main event, light heavyweight title. I mean, and the undercards banging.
The undercard's filled with fights, like killer fights in the undercard.

Speaker 1 There's like six or seven fights, and I'm like, ooh.

Speaker 2 Excited to see that, all right?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, man. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Let's go. Yeah, Fight Night in Vegas is amazing.
And then they have Slap Fight. Talk about CT ESPN.

Speaker 1 Slap Fight is on Friday night.

Speaker 1 That should be on Saturday night.

Speaker 1 You should cover slap fight.

Speaker 2 I would love to cover slap fight.

Speaker 1 That is hilarious. Bro.

Speaker 2 They fighting on site.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Smackdown.

Speaker 1 Dudes are getting

Speaker 1 knocked into another dimension with a slap.

Speaker 2 It's so crazy. Smack them to Pakistan.

Speaker 1 It's so crazy to watch. I just don't understand.
I don't understand why people are signing up for that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Smack game. Because the thing about fighting is

Speaker 1 you're trying to not get hit. Like, if a punches are coming, you're trying to turn away.
You're trying to move. You're getting your head off center line.

Speaker 1 If you're slapping, you're 100% going to get hit. Yeah.
You just have to sit there and take it. Like,

Speaker 2 you got to eat that.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 no.

Speaker 1 And every time, full blast. Every time you're standing still.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you're just waiting on it to come.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That's hilarious.

Speaker 1 It's so crazy. Dana White keeps trying to get me to come see it.
I'm like, okay,

Speaker 1 I'll go.

Speaker 1 I'll go to of these.

Speaker 1 But it's just so nuts.

Speaker 2 Nah, that smack is another level.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Just get a smack. Slap knockout.

Speaker 1 I'm surprised, like, pro football players haven't signed up for that. Like, after, like, some dudes who just want to do something.
Yeah. Wild fellas that want to do something.

Speaker 2 Smack. Just go.
Just go smack somebody.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Smack.

Speaker 1 The problem is. That's crazy.

Speaker 1 What do you do? You like flip a coin to see who gets the slap you first?

Speaker 1 That's the thing. Somebody has to hit you first.
That's a huge disadvantage.

Speaker 2 Because if you get slapped hard first, you ain't going to get the get back.

Speaker 1 Exactly.

Speaker 1 I mean, I don't even know how it works. Like, can you get really rocked and then they'll let you get slapped again?

Speaker 1 Like, if you get super rocked, like, your legs give out. Now you're done.
You really get up. Are you done? If you go down, are you done? Yeah, you've done.
What are the rules?

Speaker 2 Your slap ain't worth a shit.

Speaker 1 Aren't you supposed to hold something in your hand? 30 seconds. You have 30 seconds to shake back? That's a long time to recover.

Speaker 1 30 seconds is a long time to recover.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's just a little, yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, if you fall? There's like rules. Yeah, there are rules.
Oh, so if you get knocked down, it's over?

Speaker 2 Yeah, you smacked out.

Speaker 1 What's next? Like, when are we going to have gladiator fights? Well, they already do that in other countries. People put on armor and fight with swords and shit.

Speaker 2 Kill each other?

Speaker 1 They don't kill each other, but they beat the fuck out of each other with swords and shields and shit. One dude was beating this dude in the head with a shield.
I was like,

Speaker 1 what are we doing?

Speaker 1 60 seconds to recover.

Speaker 2 You get a minute to recover? Like a timeout.

Speaker 1 See, that's the good thing about MMA is that you don't get chances to recover. So you don't get to get knocked out again.

Speaker 1 Because a lot of these times guys get dropped and then they get a standing eight count. Like in boxing, that's particularly dangerous.
You get a standing eight count, they clean off your gloves.

Speaker 1 Are you okay? You're like, yeah, come forward. And then you're slowly getting your shit back together.
But you're not back yet. You're still.
You're just fighting to get back. Yeah, you're out of it.

Speaker 1 You're still out of it.

Speaker 1 And you're still, like,

Speaker 1 you don't know what exactly is going on.

Speaker 2 You just like shit what happened.

Speaker 1 And then more part is just boom.

Speaker 1 The kitchen sink hit you.

Speaker 1 Whereas in MMA, the fight would have already been stopped.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's been like, yeah, this guy's done.

Speaker 1 But then the other side of it is in boxing, guys go down, flash knockdown, get back up. They're okay.
They brush their gloves off and then they go back to fighting and they're all right. You know?

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Speaker 1 Do you watch boxing at all? I love boxing. Did you see the Javante Davis Lamont Roach fight? That was trash.
Well, I thought it was a good fight.

Speaker 2 You didn't think it was a great fight, but I just championed God taking a knee, talking about greasing his hair. Yeah, that was crazy.
I'm like, yo, how are you just in the middle of the fight?

Speaker 2 Just go wipe your face.

Speaker 1 Also, here's the deal. If you take a knee, that's

Speaker 1 a knockdown. That's a knock.

Speaker 2 That's a track too, right?

Speaker 1 You got hit with a jab. Yeah.
You took a knee.

Speaker 2 And then you walked off.

Speaker 1 Exactly. That is a knockdown.
So I think they're reviewing that right now.

Speaker 2 No, that guy should have lost, maybe.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 I feel like if they do review it and they do judge it as a knockdown, which it was clearly a knockdown to everybody. That's a knockdown.
You take a knee, that's a knockdown. I think

Speaker 1 they will probably give it to Lamar. This is a very interesting rule.
They have a power slap that kind of talks about what you guys were just discussing.

Speaker 1 Okay, the promoter may, but is not obligated to, incorporate the following rule for any event, for any specific category of matches, such as title matches.

Speaker 1 A participant was the first defender in round one and did not elect such position, and B, there is a KO or TKO finish of such participant in round one.

Speaker 1 Then, after the referee declares a finish, a clock of two minutes begins. During this time, the defender is given two minutes to recover and be examined by the supervising physician.

Speaker 1 If the supervising physician, in consultation with the referee, determines that the defender has established their fitness to continue and is without medical health risk for purposes of delivering one strike to the opposing participant within such two-minute period and not receiving any further strikes as a defender, then the referee will announce the commencement of the redemption round and will instruct the striker to complete one permitted slap of their opponent.

Speaker 1 If the return strike results in a KO or TKO finish of their opponent, the match is declared a draw. If the return strike has any other result, the match result stands.
That's crazy.

Speaker 1 So you can get KO'd, you get finished, they give you two minutes to come back. And if you could knock that guy out, then it's a draw.
They also haven't used the rule yet.

Speaker 2 So you go knockout for knockout.

Speaker 1 Boy, that rule looks like it's written by lawyers, doesn't it? Doesn't that rule look written by lawyers?

Speaker 1 So find out what's happening because I think they were going to announce something today about Lamont Roach, Javante Davis' decision on the knockdown. It was a very good fight, though.

Speaker 1 Lamont Roach is very good. I was really impressed because Tank is nasty.
Tank is so fucking powerful. He's so vicious.
Like his

Speaker 1 one punch power at 135 is like nobody else is in the division. Like the way he starches people is crazy.

Speaker 1 He gets so much torque and power into his punches and he's so fast that he covers ground and black. His uppercuts, they're just fucking devastating.

Speaker 1 So like for Lamont Roach not just to survive, but you know,

Speaker 2 to do damage and put him on a knee.

Speaker 1 Basically bring it to a draw,

Speaker 1 which if they do change this because of that knee, it becomes a victory.

Speaker 1 I think it should be a victory for him, and I think they should do a rematch. 100%.

Speaker 1 Everybody saw it. You can't get around what everybody saw.
Look, it wasn't a legit knockdown like he hurt tank.

Speaker 1 Tank did have some shit in his eyes, but what are you doing putting shit in your hair when you have a world title fight? That's crazy.

Speaker 2 And no one wants to hear about it in the middle of a fight. No one cares.
And the fly fly by, dropped the ball, bro.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 drop the damn ball we don't care if a fly flew by your helmet or your eyes yeah nobody gives a fuck you you can't be a championship fighter and taking a knee and putting on those type of performances also what are they putting in his hair that when he's sweating is dripping into his eyes like what is that shit yeah bro shave your head right yeah exactly your fucking head who cares why pretty boy you about to go get this fight get those fucking braids out of there you don't need those yeah he's a good-looking guy he doesn't need all that crazy braids and shit yeah

Speaker 1 It makes a rematch very exciting, though. And I think that's great for Javante because other than Shakur, who's the other major star, and then Lomachenko, if he decides to fight again.

Speaker 1 But other than that, there's not a lot of compelling

Speaker 2 challenges.

Speaker 1 So now this Lamont Roach fight becomes like the most compelling fight in the division

Speaker 1 for him.

Speaker 2 That's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 I don't know if this is the official response. This is wild.

Speaker 1 What? This is posted a day ago, I guess.

Speaker 1 During the round in question, following the commission's request for the replay video, there was a technical issue preventing the commission from receiving it within the allotted time to review.

Speaker 1 Therefore, the referee's in-ring decision was relied upon, and the fight continued. Yeah, I did see that.
I thought that was what the instant replay.

Speaker 1 There was a technical issue when they went to the corner, like right after the knockdown, they tried to go to an instant replay, and it wasn't available. And so they said, what do we do here?

Speaker 1 And the referee wanted to to start the fight again. They let the referee start the fight again.
I thought this was saying they couldn't review this because of

Speaker 1 yeah, I haven't. Oh, you mean after? No, no, no.
It was in the moment, only in the moment. I feel like they couldn't get a tapes of this.
No, you couldn't do that. That would be ridiculous.

Speaker 1 Oh, we still can't find it. Sorry.

Speaker 1 It's like Epstein's client list. Oh, can't find it.
Looking for it. Trying to help, guys.
We're doing our best. Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, they obviously everybody's seen it. We've all seen it online.
I saw it during the fight. I didn't even know the fight was going on.
My friend Jamar texted me, you watched this Davis fight?

Speaker 1 I'm like, oh shit, I forgot. And I caught it in the 12th round.
Then I went back and watched the whole thing the next day. It was an amazing fight.

Speaker 2 Amazing fight. It was a lot of energy.

Speaker 2 I feel like people used to tank just knocking people out early in the round. So to see him go to the deep end,

Speaker 2 12 rounds, seeing that both of the guys was damaging each other and putting on a good fight was pretty.

Speaker 1 It was a very good fight.

Speaker 2 It was pretty amazing fight.

Speaker 1 Very competitive fight for a guy who doesn't have competitive fights. Yes.
Because Javante Javante just steamrolls. He's undefeated.

Speaker 1 He steamrolls everybody. And everybody's scared of him.
And Lamont was not scared of him.

Speaker 1 But they have fought in the amateurs before. I think they fought twice in the amateurs.

Speaker 1 But Lamont's a new star. That guy's super, super legit.

Speaker 1 Super legit. And very skillful.

Speaker 1 It wasn't just that

Speaker 1 Javante didn't show up or Javante wasn't at his best. No, Lamont

Speaker 1 fought a fantastic fight. You know what I'm excited for, man?

Speaker 1 Terrence Crawford and Canelo. That's the one.
That's going to be a big one. That's the one.

Speaker 2 That's a huge fight.

Speaker 1 That's the one. That's the one.
A lot of people think Terrence is too small.

Speaker 1 He weighed himself the other day. He was 185 pounds.

Speaker 2 He just looks scrawny in the ring.

Speaker 1 He looks scrappy. Well, he fight at 140? 150? Well,

Speaker 1 he just won the 154-pound title. And, you know, before that,

Speaker 1 he was fighting at Walter Waite, which is 147.

Speaker 1 But it's not like he has enough time to thicken up a little bit. And if he's walking around at 185, that means he probably cuts a considerable amount of weight to get down to 54.
100%.

Speaker 1 And now, but I think he's getting thicker. And he was deadlifting 450 pounds the other day.

Speaker 2 You like deadlifts?

Speaker 1 I think they can fuck your back up. Them shits is trash, bro.
Do you do a deadlift?

Speaker 2 You just fucking your back up.

Speaker 1 You can fuck your back up. Yeah, like, it's no, like...

Speaker 2 I don't know who made up do deadlifts. That's the worst you can do.

Speaker 1 Powerlifters.

Speaker 2 Like, for what, though? Like, what is it?

Speaker 2 You're never going to do that motion and fighting. What is this? It's supposed to make your back strong?

Speaker 1 It's supposed to make your overall chain strong. It's one of the best exercises to make your overall chain strong.

Speaker 2 Because you're picking up

Speaker 1 the bar off the ground.

Speaker 2 And there's already gravity.

Speaker 1 Right. And a lot of stress on that lower back.

Speaker 2 Super stress on your lower back and knees. You got to.

Speaker 1 You know, Robert Oberst. Robert Oberst.
You know who he is?

Speaker 1 He did the podcast once. He's a professional strongman.
Like one of the biggest motherfuckers you ever see. Like a house, just like this big.
He's like, don't do deadlifts. Never do deadlifts.

Speaker 2 It's going to ruin your back, your knees, everything. You hurt yourself.

Speaker 2 There's no position you're going to put yourself in fighting that's going to make you bend over like that.

Speaker 2 A lot of guys do them, though. It's the worst thing you could ever do.

Speaker 1 I've heard people say that if you do them correctly, they can decompress your back.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, you can do a lot of more exercises for your back.

Speaker 1 But I'm like, explain how. Explain how it can ever decompress your back.

Speaker 2 You're pounding your back. You're picking up weights.

Speaker 1 No matter what you do as you're lifting even if you're like fully extending and stretching your body forward nothing doing nothing you're you're

Speaker 1 compressing your back when you have that enormous amount of weight there's no way you're not compressing your back gotta compress your back what about lighter deadlifts what about deadlifts just like for running deadlifts is trash man you want to do leg exercise work your hem screen glutes and do cab raises or something else do you do nordic curls you ever do nordic curls is the best

Speaker 1 yeah

Speaker 2 tremendous isolate your hems right

Speaker 1 yeah if you want to work your leg and lower back, do the whole jack. The first time I did it, I was like, what? I couldn't do one.
Yeah, I was like, isolate your hamstring right away.

Speaker 1 It's no cheating.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, no cheating.
No cheating. All hamstrings.
All hams. Such a great exercise just to develop strength around your knees, too.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's isolation.

Speaker 1 Yeah. For hams.
So when you're in the NFL, like what is the strength and conditioning program like for a receiver? Like, do they,

Speaker 1 do they tailor your strength and conditioning routines depending upon what position you play?

Speaker 1 So like for a guy like you,

Speaker 1 you obviously have to stay fast.

Speaker 2 You've got to be quick and twitchy. I feel like.

Speaker 1 Twitchy.

Speaker 2 And you got to, yeah, twitchy mean you. Explosive to get out.
Yeah, you got to be elusive just in your body movement. But you want to have a lot of strength too.

Speaker 2 Just enough because you're going to get hit, pushed around in your shoulders and your legs and your glutes.

Speaker 1 So what kind of stuff do they have you do?

Speaker 2 So me launches, single launches, explosive launches when you're driving up, ham screen curls,

Speaker 2 bench press, dumbbells, single arms, a lot of core rotations.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean? A lot of single-leg calves, a lot of ankle work.

Speaker 1 Do they have you do plyos?

Speaker 2 For sure, plyos. Single-leg jumps, two-leg jumps, explosive sideway linear jumps.

Speaker 1 And when they make a program for you, do they lay out like what the progress that they're looking to achieve? Like, how do they do a program for a guy like you?

Speaker 2 See, the NFL, usually, they just really put, I mean, it's a team made up of 50 players 60 players so sometimes the weight room usually just have usually specific sheets that you know guys follow with the training but the more smarter you are the more intuitive you are as a player individually you know you need to for me the little things that made me the difference were the working on little stuff like Your arch.

Speaker 2 You might not think your arch is important muscle or how to work.

Speaker 1 Arch of your foot?

Speaker 2 The arch of your foot, yeah.

Speaker 1 Really? Yeah.

Speaker 2 You know, gripping the towels with your big toe, grabbing the towel, working the arch, making making your big toe go over here. Because your arch is, you know, super important, but being a receiver.

Speaker 2 Really?

Speaker 1 I never thought about that. So you do like foot strengthening, exercise,

Speaker 2 exercise. Even your big toes.
Actually, you run it in the game and your big toe just give out.

Speaker 1 Right. That happens to guys, right? Yeah.
Turft toe.

Speaker 2 Turft toe, exactly. So it's like the little exercise that could pre-emanate your feet from just being healthy.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Your arch, your big toe.

Speaker 2 Because that's the first thing that hit the ground.

Speaker 2 And guys don't really consider these things when they just want to work the big exercise muscles that you know but it starts from the ground up your feet and your arches and your big toe could be good and strong it's a nick cursor nick curson's a famous strength and conditioning uh guy in the mma world and that was what he told me he said foot strength is the number one flaw that a lot of people have exactly because they don't feel like that muscle or that need to be worked out they think shoulders you know the big muscles so it's all about the the little stuff that preeminate your success man you a receiver you know you're gonna have to get off the ball you're gonna have to run and cut stop so the more important thing you could get right of your feet that's to be the first thing to hit the ground so can you explain to me what you're doing with your toes and a towel so let's say if it's a towel like you know when you run you got the ball of your feet right ball of your feet hit first right and then you grip right ball of your feet then you grip the towel right ball feet hit then grip So you work in that arch and you're working on just the grip of your toes.

Speaker 1 And are you just holding the towel with your hands? Like how are you doing the towel? You put the towel on the ground. This is all on the ground.

Speaker 2 Yeah, just like that. Have you done this, Jamie?

Speaker 1 Yeah, Yeah, I do it all the time. You do it all day, right? How come you never told me?

Speaker 2 Wow, this is the best right there. That work your arches at your feet.
That little exercise right there, Joe,

Speaker 2 that make a tremendous difference in your feet, bro.

Speaker 1 Wow. I'm going to do that tomorrow.
People know that. How many reps do you do?

Speaker 2 I feel like you could go two minutes, just burn out. You just do it.

Speaker 1 You just do it until you burn out.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you're going to feel the burn right away.

Speaker 1 Wow. And then does it suck to walk afterwards?

Speaker 2 I feel really good to walk. You're going to tell the difference in your feet right away.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 1 I jump rope. I feel like that's really good for your feet.
Really good, yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. But this is the maintenance of your feet with just a little exercise.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that seems like a really smart one.

Speaker 2 Yeah, this is physical therapy one of the best exercise you could do.

Speaker 1 What happens when you get too good at the towel? Do you move up to like a rug?

Speaker 2 Yeah, you go single leg.

Speaker 1 Now you go single leg. Single leg.
You go one leg grip. Oh.

Speaker 1 Ooh.

Speaker 1 So like standing on one leg? And grip, yeah. And then so you're balancing and then gripping at the same time.
You stack it up.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 The grips to the balance. Oh, I like it.
And now you're active on it while gripping.

Speaker 1 Oh, I like it. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 It's all about your wheels, man.

Speaker 1 You know what I just started incorporating into my workouts like over the last few months that I never did before is rotational exercises. And I feel like an asshole.

Speaker 1 I have a reoccurring

Speaker 1 thing that I got in my lower back. That's like,

Speaker 1 I think it's really, it's a bunch of different things, but I think mostly it's 10 to 9. It's mostly overuse because it would start to hurt, and I would just ignore it and keep doing it.

Speaker 1 I got it from archery where it just started flaring up. Because it's like when I'm shooting the bow, the bow is 80 pounds to pull back, and I'll do it 150 times a day.

Speaker 1 So that's like 150 rows with 80 pounds.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 1 doing that all the time, my lower back and stabilizing, it started to flare up, and I'm an idiot. So I was like, don't be a pussy.
Just

Speaker 1 keep going. Power through.
And in power through and it got inflamed and it's taken a few months for it to get better. But one of the best ways it got better was rotational exercises.
You know, like

Speaker 1 with a bar where you like twist it like that. Those twit with cables.

Speaker 2 Like man.

Speaker 1 Exercises. Oh, it's like that's movements.

Speaker 1 It works so well with athletics. For me with martial arts, it works so well.
And I'm like, why wasn't I doing that before?

Speaker 1 Like, I would just do linear stuff, like chin-ups, push-ups, dips, squats, all that other basic shit.

Speaker 1 But when I started doing twisting things, I'm like, man, and then I feel like I have more power now.

Speaker 2 Strange and ability, right?

Speaker 1 I have more strength in my lower back. So for kicking, like, it's everything in there.

Speaker 1 Like that, the ability to whip, right, that ability to whip. And I'm like, why wasn't I doing this forever? Yeah.
It's kind of crazy that it took me getting injured before I started doing it.

Speaker 2 That's how it always happened.

Speaker 1 You know what my favorite one is? When you're sitting, like I sit on a mat with my feet up in the air, and then I take a 50-pound kettlebell and I keep rotating

Speaker 2 sideways.

Speaker 1 Ooh, that's the one. That's right there.
That is the one. Because when you do it like that, it's like you just feel

Speaker 2 good.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and it warms everything up and it feels, it loosens it. It stretches it a little bit.
Because when you get to here, you know, you're challenging your range of mobility.

Speaker 1 And then you get to here and here.

Speaker 1 You know, it's like, and it's hard to do. So it's, your abs are firing.
Everything's working.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we got everything activated, man. You look good at your age.
Thank you very much.

Speaker 1 Thank you. I try.
I try. I'm trying to keep up.
Try to just keep it active. Keep it going.

Speaker 1 But all those different exercises are huge, and I ignored a lot of them. But that's the thing about getting injured.
Sometimes you get injured and you go, okay, why did I get injured?

Speaker 1 I need to do more preventative stuff. Yeah.
Yeah. Like you're doing with your feet.
Yeah. Like more of that.

Speaker 1 So when you do plyometric stuff, do they have you do stuff on like balance balls and shit too?

Speaker 2 Of course, bouncing balls, explosive launches, maybe put

Speaker 1 the track, the track ladders. Oh, yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 You know, jumping over those is always a good one for plyo for explosion. Yeah.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 Yeah. Speed bands.

Speaker 1 When did players start realizing that that's something to incorporate? Because I would imagine if you go back to the early days, they were probably doing regular weightlifting stuff, right?

Speaker 2 Exactly. I feel like if you want to be an explosive athlete, you got to get into playos

Speaker 2 if you want to be explosive.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean? Especially for you, a wide receiver or a defensive bat guys who got to be athletic and jump high and attack the balls and do different stuff.

Speaker 2 You know, maybe like Olime may not be getting the balls, so they might focus on lifting weights and, you know what I mean, being strong and combative.

Speaker 1 You know what else I started adding to? What you adding? Ab wheel to my feet when you do explosive push-ups.

Speaker 1 So you explode up, you roll your abs forward on the wheel, and then you come down and catch yourself, and then explode up and roll the wheel forward, and then come down and catch yourself.

Speaker 1 You clap and catch yourself. I learned that from Arthur Bitterbeeve, the light heavyweight champion.
His crazy dude from Chechnya.

Speaker 2 Explosive push-ups.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but with an ab wheel. He does it with an ab wheel.
I was like, oh, that's next level. That's next level.
There's like so many different things you could see like really elite high-level guys do.

Speaker 1 You're like, oh,

Speaker 1 I get it. I get it.

Speaker 2 Just mobility drills and hip exercises, rotating the hips is a big one.

Speaker 1 What kind of shit do you do for that?

Speaker 2 You go single leg. I like to do the single leg and then be on one leg and then rotate your hip like if you was doing the fullest circle of your hip.

Speaker 2 But do it on one leg so you get the glute burning.

Speaker 1 Oh, so you're doing that on one leg.

Speaker 2 And you're balancing too. Yeah, so you're on one leg, just try to rotate this hip forward 10 and backwards 10.

Speaker 2 opening the hips always key laying on the ground getting this leg to this leg this this leg to this arm you know laying on your stomach rotating your back leg to your back

Speaker 2 just staying open you know staying i feel like the older we get the tighter your muscles get so yeah just make sure you're stretching more than you you know you tighten them up because keep your muscles long as you get older to keep muscles soft yeah um when i'm getting lazy i don't stretch either gotta stretch.

Speaker 1 And then I realize, like, yep, that's probably also how I get injured. Scratchy.

Speaker 1 Would you ever fuck with yoga?

Speaker 2 Absolutely. Yoga is amazing.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I love yoga, man. Scratch.

Speaker 2 You feel like once you do yoga, your body feels

Speaker 2 better overall once you're done, right? You can feel the difference right away.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you feel like everything's working together, too. Like all the connective areas are getting strengthened.
All the balance and all the stuff that keeps your posture in line. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Health is wealth, man. Anytime you, you know, you got to make

Speaker 2 accountability to be able to, you know, take care of yourself. That's what life's about, you know, exercising and eating healthy.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 You make yourself a chance to live a good life.

Speaker 1 Do they coach in the NFL how to eat, what supplements to take? They tell you what to do.

Speaker 2 I mean, they can't. They will, but it's usually, you know, kind of up to you and yourself as a player.

Speaker 2 You know, if you want to take care of yourself, they get in your blood work and got everything right in front of you.

Speaker 2 So for me, I usually take my blood test to know what my body digests what food i need to put in take you know what provides less inflammatory what's good for me what's not so when they take your blood test did they sit down with you and go over the results and talk to you about like what you need and what it's got to be for you like you got to take the initiative to go to them and you know i mean that is a business at the end of the day like you got to do what's best for you yourself for sure but i would imagine for them it would be beneficial to them to make their athletes perform at the very best they can so give them as much information as they could.

Speaker 2 I would hope so, but using the NFL, they pay you money and it's like you figured it out. Yeah, it's on you now.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 What about like saunas and cold plunge?

Speaker 2 Sauna's the best. Everyday cold plunge.
Sauna, man, that's healthy living. Yeah.
Sauna's the best. Flush out, cold tub, feeling

Speaker 2 brand new. Yeah.
That's pretty pre-imminent recovery right there.

Speaker 1 It's everything, right?

Speaker 2 Yeah, like that's what you live for.

Speaker 2 Hot steam, cold tub, man, that's the best feeling ever.

Speaker 1 So what's the next move right now for Antonio Brown? What are we going to do?

Speaker 2 I feel like, you know, just keep, you know, being myself, giving back to the world. I feel like I want to start a 707 team, give some local kids in Miami, Tampa, some opportunities to

Speaker 2 travel, you know, play 707 flag football,

Speaker 2 obviously

Speaker 2 podcast, maybe do more on CTSPN.

Speaker 2 You know, just be happy and hopefully the Hall of Fame in 2027.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay, nice.

Speaker 2 You know, me and Ben Rothenberg are in that class together.

Speaker 1 Nice.

Speaker 2 So that'd be a good opportunity.

Speaker 1 What do you do with kids? Were you talking about flag football? What do you do?

Speaker 2 Yeah, flag football is a big thing right now where you take the kids

Speaker 2 different tournaments all over the world, allowing them to compete, giving them opportunities to live their dreams, different age groups.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? And you're involved in that?

Speaker 2 Yeah, setting up now. We got our own team, man, Kodak Black.

Speaker 2 One of my close friends from Miami probably started a volleyball league, volleyball league for the woman and some flag flag football for the team.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's great.

Speaker 2 Just community activities to help some kids achieve their goals and taking them different tournaments to be able to compete all over the

Speaker 1 world. That's cool that you have that focus, that you want to help kids too.

Speaker 1 Help them, you know, and also when they see a guy like you who's done it, been there, done that, you know, been at the top, they could say, oh, it's possible. He's a human.
He's just like me.

Speaker 1 And him talking to me and working with me, maybe I can get something done in this life.

Speaker 2 I got some new music coming out.

Speaker 2 Actually, tomorrow's a song called Click It

Speaker 2 41. Cal Rich, Tata, Jen Carter.

Speaker 1 Nice.

Speaker 2 So it's been a blessing, man. It's just.

Speaker 1 Are you working with Kanye anymore?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I work with him too. He's not every old.
Yeah, I got some cool stuff coming as well.

Speaker 1 Dude, he's still working with him. Still working on that.
When was the last time you saw him?

Speaker 2 I saw him in L.A. a couple weeks ago.

Speaker 1 He's a wild man. Yeah.

Speaker 2 He's excited. He just...

Speaker 1 When he showed up at the Grammys with his wife naked, he's like, look,

Speaker 1 turn around. Okay, bye.
And then he leaves. He doesn't even go to the Grammys.

Speaker 1 He just shows up, walks the red carpet. His wife takes his clothes off and he goes home.
He's just out of there. Okay, we good.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he's good, man. We excited about, you know, he brought me this chain for Donda Sports.

Speaker 1 He bought you that? Yeah. Whoa.

Speaker 2 Donda Sports. The sports brand that he opened up.

Speaker 1 That's a GDP of a small island. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Look at at the size of that fucking thing.

Speaker 2 So we got to get Donda Sports back. You know, Kanye made me

Speaker 2 president of the Donda Sports. Oh, really? A lot of basketball team we used to have in L.A.

Speaker 2 A lot of kids came out of it. You know, and we plan on getting back to it and doing some other things creatively in the music space.
So I'm excited for those announcements coming soon in 2025.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's cool. So

Speaker 1 what sports are you getting involved with?

Speaker 2 Basketball has been a huge sports for Donda Sports.

Speaker 2 Had a couple of players

Speaker 2 come out of Donna Sports.

Speaker 1 So what is he doing? Is he managing them?

Speaker 2 He had a whole prep school that was

Speaker 2 allowing the kids to go to school,

Speaker 2 Donna Sports, giving them an opportunity to play basketball, taking them to play different games.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 I mean, we had Rob Dillahan, who used to be in the program, who played for the Minnesota Timberwolves, now got drafted, who went to Kentucky University. I mean, went to,

Speaker 2 I think he went to Duke University and came out and went.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's cool. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So he represents them, gives them advice.

Speaker 2 Not even represent them, just allow them to go to school and play basketball. Oh, just help them.
Yeah, just help them to get to the next level. Not even represent them a nuts.

Speaker 1 But also, like, being under that umbrella is like notoriety.

Speaker 2 Absolutely. Getting them the exposure, the right opportunities to just go to the next level.

Speaker 1 So is this something Kanye's going to expand to other sports as well?

Speaker 2 I mean, we were talking about it. I mean, they don't really know a lot about sports.

Speaker 2 You know, that's why he put me on, you know, Justin LaBoy in regards to basketball and other sports athletes to just give them the opportunity to live out their dreams.

Speaker 1 That's really cool, man. That's very cool.

Speaker 1 It's nice that you're interested in doing that, that you want to help young kids to

Speaker 2 assess. You know, I've been blessed in my life to, you know, live a beautiful life, experiencing the NFL.

Speaker 2 That's our jobs as humans, you know, give other people the best experience and

Speaker 2 give them a chance to do something they may not be able to do in their life. So I'm grateful just to be in that position

Speaker 2 to give back.

Speaker 1 That's a beautiful philosophy. It's a good way to look at life.

Speaker 1 You're living your life, you're happy, you're also helping people be happy.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And cracking on people. Yeah.
A couple jokes here and there.

Speaker 1 You write all that shit yourself, or do you have anybody help you? How are you writing it? You write all of it? Yeah. Oh, my God.
That's amazing. How are you writing it? Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's hilarious well the response has been pretty amazing right they love it smokes and jokes man it's funny i mean imagine the idea of an ex-football player starting an award show and he gets 200 million views he has a blessing i mean very scout yeah

Speaker 1 but it was also because you had like laid the groundwork of being funny all the time on twitter and being that wild follow that people like to go check you out so when you do something like that award show everybody's like yeah i can't wait i'm looking forward to it bro i was was getting texts all day long, man.

Speaker 1 That was a big deal. So many people were sending me texts about it.

Speaker 2 Thank you for participating with it, man. That was a big deal.

Speaker 1 My pleasure.

Speaker 1 My pleasure.

Speaker 1 Everybody was

Speaker 1 excited.

Speaker 1 Joe on it. Let's go.
Yeah, everybody's excited. Because, like I said, it's just...
It's fun.

Speaker 1 It's like a thing that wasn't around before, and it's like a sign that everything's getting back to normal, that you can do fun kind of shit like that again.

Speaker 2 Exactly. We got to do more.
Let's do it better this time.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Well, I think now everybody is looking forward to the next one.
Like now it's established. You know, when you have the second annual awards,

Speaker 1 everybody's going to be very excited about it because

Speaker 1 it's a necessary thing. We need more ridiculous shit in this world to take the burden off of a lot of people with just the regular life.

Speaker 1 You need fun.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we need an excitement.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's valuable. It's not just silly.
It's like valuable for people's mental health.

Speaker 1 It brings people joy and happiness.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Like when like memes, when my friends send me a funny meme and then I send it to them, we're all like, wow.

Speaker 2 I should make you happy, right?

Speaker 1 It makes you happy.

Speaker 1 It makes me happy. It's funny.
Too exciting. It's like some of the biggest laughs of my day are memes.

Speaker 1 And I don't know who's making them.

Speaker 2 I don't know who's coming out of the blue.

Speaker 1 It's just like the universe is creating. I mean, it's obviously people are doing it, but I don't even know who they are.
Sometimes you do. Sometimes a person, like, you know, you can give them credit.

Speaker 1 I'll give them credit, but sometimes, like, I don't know where this came from. It's on 15 different Instagram pages.
People just send it to you. Like, all right.
I was throwing up my stories.

Speaker 1 Entertainment. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's a fun time, man. It's a fun time.

Speaker 1 I'm glad you're a part of it. Because,

Speaker 1 you know, having a guy like you out there, like, having a good time, cracking jokes, it opens up the door for other people to do the same. Absolutely.

Speaker 1 Keep it light. Have a good time.
Enjoy yourself. Love it.
All right.

Speaker 1 Anything else you want to talk about before we we wrap this up?

Speaker 2 I think we hit it all.

Speaker 1 We hit it all? All right. Beautiful.
Tell everybody how they find you on X, AB.

Speaker 2 AB84 on X, AB on IG,

Speaker 2 Antonio Brown to the World, Hall of Fame 2027.

Speaker 1 Website?

Speaker 2 Antonio Brown.com.

Speaker 2 CrashOutBuckets.com. C-T-S-P-N.com.

Speaker 1 All right. That's it.
All right, brother. Well, thank you very much for being here.
Continued success.

Speaker 1 I'm a fan. I'm excited.
I love you too. All right.
Thank you. Bye, everybody.