#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

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Speaker 1 This is the thing is, no one's happy with just being like a little successful. You get a little successful, and then they want to get more.

Speaker 2 Is that everyone, though?

Speaker 1 I don't know. Is that you, Bridget?

Speaker 2 I'm I'm I'm a little successful.

Speaker 1 That's it.

Speaker 1 And I'm happy. Yeah.
Well, it's like, I don't know.

Speaker 2 it's It's got to find why you're doing it you don't want to just be on a hamster wheel well I think it's easy to get lost in chasing more you know like I'm I'm an addict so it's very I try to stay away from analytics and all that stuff because I can become hyper focused and obsessed with them well right and one of the reasons that after I did

Speaker 2 Who was it? I was opening for Lando and I we would go out and just talk to the people after the show and it was it was

Speaker 2 they were like, oh my gosh, I love Walkin' Soccer. I love Domstar Fire.
And it was like such a good reminder that you get like chasing numbers. And it was like, oh, no, these are not just numbers.

Speaker 2 They're people unless you're like buying bots. But I think it can be easy to just get on that hamster wheel and start being like, we need more.
We need more downloads. We need more.

Speaker 2 And more, more and more. And then you forget.
And I never want to take the audience we have for granted. Yeah.
You know, like they're, they're amazing.

Speaker 2 They're, they've been with, some of these people have been with me for forever.

Speaker 1 That's kind of the key to it all, right? It's to always have, I mean, it sounds so corny because it's such like a new

Speaker 1 wellness way of looking at things. Have gratitude.
Always have gratitude. But gratitude is like very important.
It's really important to be thankful for what you have.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and it was.

Speaker 2 It was one of the key things in getting sober. I think when I've dealt with like anxiety, depression, other things in my life, gratitude is it is a a powerful mechanism for like shifting your

Speaker 2 perspective because you can get into that feeling of like not being enough, not having enough, not

Speaker 2 it never being enough.

Speaker 1 Brian Callen was telling me about his buddy who's a billionaire. His buddy's worth like $3 billion and he feels like he's poor because he's friends with people who have $100 billion.

Speaker 2 Like imagine. No, I mean this, when I was dating this very wealthy guy who is like probably half of of a billionaire, you know, like 500 millionaire.

Speaker 2 And we were in Santa Ro Pay and he, we, he felt poor.

Speaker 2 I remember being, I remember it so vividly. I was in the shower and he, he loved me because I was like this like poor backpacker that was like

Speaker 1 entertaining. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And like, he's like, look at this entertaining.

Speaker 2 He wanted me to be like his pet monkey. Like came around and just like made him laugh.
And I gave him shit. And I think guys like that are used to be you get surrounded by yes men too at a certain

Speaker 2 and you don't have people like taking the piss out of you. And so I would make fun of him for his boring stories about his mattresses that people would sit there.

Speaker 2 I'm like, why are you guys listening to this guy talk about a mattress for an hour?

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 he was, I was in the shower and he was talking about how he and his friends got together and he's like, you know, we sat around and we were talking and he's, and there's a certain level at which you can be happy no matter what.

Speaker 2 And I thought I had been rubbing off on him. Like, oh, my yogi spirituality is running, rubbing off.

Speaker 1 What did he get to like 10 billion?

Speaker 2 Now he goes, and it's 250 million dollars. I was like,

Speaker 1 I was crying.

Speaker 1 Like, where did that leave the rest of us?

Speaker 1 By the way, that's so funny.

Speaker 1 Carrera Marvel freaking shower. Imagine the thought that that the only way you could ever be happy is with $250 million.

Speaker 1 That's the matter.

Speaker 1 I know some people worth $250 million that are miserable as fuck.

Speaker 2 Yeah, no, it's just.

Speaker 1 It's not going to do it.

Speaker 1 It's not going to do it at all.

Speaker 2 It's like, I'm sorry, where does that leave people like me?

Speaker 1 Don't have.

Speaker 1 I think you need a few things. You need your health above and all.
Yeah, it doesn't matter how much of your health. That's number one.
Number two is you have to have friends.

Speaker 1 If you're just like the man and everybody's kissing your ass and

Speaker 1 you're the head of this giant business and you live in a bubble and you're not happy. That's not happy.
Happy is you have to have colleagues. You have to have companions, comrades.

Speaker 1 You have to have people that you're like them. You get to hang together and go to dinner and laugh and hug each other.
Yeah. Have fun.

Speaker 1 Enjoy your life.

Speaker 2 I was thinking about even the other night in the green room, like it keeps, it's like everyone takes the piss out of each other. It doesn't fucking matter what level you're at, who you are.

Speaker 2 Everybody's talking shit. It keeps everybody, it doesn't matter.
Like, you can walk out that door and be very famous, but in that room, it's just comedians talking shit.

Speaker 1 It's a beautiful environment to keep your head straight.

Speaker 2 It's very, it's necessary, I think, too.

Speaker 2 And it is like, even though you might think you want yes men all around you, it just, it's, I think what I've learned, even just from being around around rich guys who I give a lot of, talk a lot of shit to, is they don't really want that.

Speaker 1 No, it's uncomfortable. You don't want yes men around you.
You want people that are making fun of you.

Speaker 2 And also, how are you going to, like, you need people to push back? Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think it also depends on what is your personality. Some people are like very deeply, deeply insecure, and they really almost desire yes men just to maintain stability.

Speaker 1 It's some people are very weird, you know, and you don't know it because their public face is that they're normal.

Speaker 1 You know, their public face, when they're getting interviewed, they know how to like turn it on for five minutes.

Speaker 1 But then when you're around them all day, you know, they're fucking crazy people, which is why they're successful in the first place, which is really weird.

Speaker 1 It's like what got you to the dance is literally mental illness.

Speaker 2 I was talking to, I think Malice came on my podcast recently.

Speaker 1 He's the best.

Speaker 2 He's the best. One of my best friends, truly.

Speaker 1 Is he doing stand-up now? I hope he does. I've heard he's doing stand-up.
I heard he's going to do stand-up or he's planning on doing stand-up.

Speaker 2 He wants to, but here's the thing: he probably has to do it at Mothership. Like, he can't be at an open mic where somebody's going to record.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Well,

Speaker 1 he could totally do mothership with it. Okay, so we're going to make that Sunday and Monday night.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's what I said. I was like, talk to Joe.

Speaker 1 Oh, I'd let him go up and do a guest spot on one of my shows. Fuck it.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 He's funny, man. He's fucking funny.

Speaker 1 When he said that, you know, that viral clip, when

Speaker 1 you're an ableist, and I'm like, an ableist?

Speaker 1 He's like, she's a retard. Yeah.

Speaker 2 He's so quick.

Speaker 1 Oh, it's his timing is excellent.

Speaker 1 He's such a smart guy. Yeah.
He's so fucking, except when it comes to like the whole anarchy thing.

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I'm like, listen, bitch, you need a cop for just to keep me from you. What are you talking about? What are you talking about?

Speaker 1 You don't need cops. What are you talking about? Shut the fuck up.

Speaker 2 You need cops. But he was saying.

Speaker 1 You need cops. Yeah.
He said. I didn't hear that nonsense.
No. I don't want to hear that no law and order nonsense.
Shut the fuck up.

Speaker 2 I just am like, where are you in this hierarchy?

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're dead. You're dead.
I'm going to steal your food on day one. Shut the fuck up.

Speaker 2 First round of the purge, you're a guy.

Speaker 1 What the fuck is wrong with you?

Speaker 1 You need cops.

Speaker 2 I feel like I'm at least second round of the purge.

Speaker 1 Are you armed? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Well, that's important.
So at least second. Yeah.
Maybe.

Speaker 1 Do you know how to use it? Yeah. Train?

Speaker 1 I do, yeah. Yeah.
That's good. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I don't want to be one of those like, ah!

Speaker 1 Yeah. No.
That's right. I taught my kids how to shoot when they were very young.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think you, yeah.

Speaker 1 Do you got to teach them firearm safety? You know, how never have your finger on the trigger unless you're trying to shoot something. Yeah.
Ever. You know, ever.

Speaker 1 Don't hold the gun with your finger on the trigger. Always point it away, even if it's not loaded.
Point it away from people. Point it at the ground.
Point it away.

Speaker 1 If people are around, point it in a direction where there's no human beings. Yeah.
You know, understand.

Speaker 2 Always check and see.

Speaker 1 Yeah, always check and see if there's not a bullet in the chain. Yeah.
This is how you rack it. This is how you do it.
Yeah. It's like...
You should know how to use them.

Speaker 1 Just because if, God forbid, something ever happens that's horrible, your house gets broken into, and, you know,

Speaker 2 you have you have the ability to preserve your life my fear was always that I'd be in a situation like in the movies where somebody's wrestling with someone and then they kick the gun over and I'm the girl standing there and I'm like

Speaker 1 where are these buttons and switches and the magazine pops out like fuck

Speaker 1 And you pull the trigger, but he's not around. They're chairing.
Like, how does this fucking thing go?

Speaker 2 And then there is, and I accidentally shoot the hero.

Speaker 1 Oh, that happens. That happens.
People People panic. You know, if you're not used to high-pressure situations and you expect to be able to shoot somebody, Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2 Oh, so malice. Anyway, the reason I brought him up, he was talking about how many, he didn't realize how many people in podcasting were mentally ill.

Speaker 1 Well, and everything. But yeah, podcasting for sure.

Speaker 1 Well, there's a lot of people that aren't performers that are in podcasting.

Speaker 1 I think they're even more mentally ill because those are the people that are like deep in the fucking social media comments all day and seeing people shit on on them and they're out of their fucking minds.

Speaker 1 There's a bunch of them that are just off the road. And then you fight them.
They fight all day with each other.

Speaker 1 And you see them over the years get progressively more and more insane and more and more aggressive to each other.

Speaker 2 It seems exhausting. Also, who has time for that? I don't understand.

Speaker 1 Not just exhausting, but detrimental. It's a tremendous waste of resources.
It's really bad for you mentally.

Speaker 1 Like your own mindset is, it's bad if you're in conflict with someone all the time, especially if you could have avoided it. Yes.
You don't admire yourself if you're doing that.

Speaker 1 There's no way you're like, hey, I'm on the right track. There's no fucking way.
There's no way.

Speaker 1 You know you're a retarded.

Speaker 2 They might be feeling like they're on the right track. I mean, I think Elon...
He's just on the wheel. Elon's monetized it now, though.

Speaker 2 So these guys who are in the comments fighting, they're making, you know, two, three grand a month doing it.

Speaker 1 That's a good point. That's a different thing, right?

Speaker 1 How much are people like, what's the highest earner on X? Like, how much can you make it?

Speaker 2 It's so random. People are making livings.
I think you have to be on it constantly. Right.
And

Speaker 2 some people make a lot of money. When I see them post what they're making, I'm like, holy crap.

Speaker 1 How are you doing?

Speaker 2 How much? I don't know. And it seems to be people who kind of Elon will like,

Speaker 2 yeah, he'll like turn the eye of Sauron upon them and suddenly like they are,

Speaker 2 but it's very mercurial. You know, it seems like it can change on a dime.

Speaker 1 Well, a lot of people post things that are just not true, and Elon reposts them all the time.

Speaker 2 He uses social media like we do. I think I do more fact-checking than he does.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he just doesn't have the time. First of all, give the guy a break.
He's running like government programs along with SpaceX, along with Tesla.

Speaker 2 I will cut him some slack, but also there with great power comes great responsibility. You have more followers than anyone on that entire site, and you're going to boost

Speaker 2 Russian propaganda.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was one, right? That fake talk show. Yeah.
There was a fake talk show that he boosted.

Speaker 1 The other thing that we should probably tell people is that Politico thing is not true.

Speaker 2 No, I know.

Speaker 1 The $8 million thing. The $8 million is $8 million from all the government organizations from 2016 to 2024.
So it's an eight-year period.

Speaker 1 And then it's a, there's some kind of wacky premium subscription that you can get from Politico that allows you like instantaneous access to the news.

Speaker 1 You're not just reading the articles, you're like getting the news feeds.

Speaker 2 I don't know.

Speaker 2 Well, it's a lot of places where there is, look,

Speaker 2 I'm of two minds to this. I think we need to be accurate because we do live in a time where it's almost like people don't care about truth at all.

Speaker 2 They're just, they're like, oh, whatever, it doesn't matter. It's not even,

Speaker 2 it's indifference to it, you know, which is not great.

Speaker 2 But I do think credibility, like you should care about your own credibility at some point, but people get rewarded for being shameless so that you can just keep going.

Speaker 2 The political thing is weird because,

Speaker 2 yes, a lot of the stuff that's going out right now on all of these like deep dives that people are doing, they're viral. They're mostly, many of them are fake.
But also

Speaker 2 the, why is any taxpayer dollar, it should be zero dollars, right? That's going to that stuff.

Speaker 1 The person to search is Mike Benz.

Speaker 1 Go to the Mike Benz cyber. Is it Mike Benz cyber? I think that's it, right?

Speaker 1 His ex-page. Mike Benz.
He's been on us forever. Forever.
Yeah. Well, former State Department guy.
And he uncovered all this bullshit while he was there.

Speaker 1 And he is insanely knowledgeable and insanely articulate and so good at expressing exactly how these things fund things and what it is. And what it is, is an enormous slush fund.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's what it is. And unaccountability and money just coming and going and flowing.
And it's all circular. Uh-huh.
All circular, donating to the Democrats. The United States government funds them.

Speaker 1 They donate to the Democratic Party. The whole thing is wild.

Speaker 2 And people can sense this. This is why when they're saying, oh,

Speaker 2 it's like you can sense that there's been a misappropriation of our money, of taxpayer dollars. You know, there's fraud in Medicare and Medicaid.

Speaker 2 The American people have sensed this and they feel like there's corruption, but I think they've just hopelessly kind of surrendered.

Speaker 2 Because you, you're, I'm a middle-class mom who works, who has a kid, who like it's you, who has time to fight this? Right. You know, you, you don't have time to like attention.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 2 How do you have time to fight it? No, no. And people are just trying to survive and get through the day.
And it, and then you, but you know, you have this sense.

Speaker 2 Like, so I can see the excitement of like people,

Speaker 2 Elon, what he's doing, and we sh it shouldn't be controversial to want to, like, audit our budget, our budget. No.

Speaker 1 America

Speaker 1 is not the money being spent. It's what it's being spent for and what's going on, which is an enormous propaganda machine.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, a big part of the whole left-wing narrative that has like overlaid our country over the last, whatever, eight years, 10 years, is all propaganda funded by our own government. That's right.

Speaker 1 This is why Trump won the election. People don't really believe in these things.
The amount of people that think that transgender

Speaker 1 biological males should be competing against your daughter in sports is so fucking small.

Speaker 1 But yet our own government was propping it up.

Speaker 1 And why are they propping it up? Because it's a fucking beach ball at a concert. You keep it tossing up in the air and everybody's distracted.

Speaker 1 As long as you can keep a few things going, here's the things you got to keep going. Abortion, right?

Speaker 1 Overtoning Roe v. Wade is so great for business because now it's like a battle, the battlegrounds and women's rights and their lives are at stake.
Okay, that's one. Gay marriage.
That's a huge one.

Speaker 1 Now they're going to take away gay marriage. Oh my God, bounce that fucking beach ball.
That's a gigantic one. War is a giant one.
All these different things are just fucking beach balls.

Speaker 1 And they toss them around every now and again. And in the meanwhile, they're just siphoning billions of dollars.

Speaker 1 Zelensky just said he's missing $100 billion in the $177 billion that we supposed to have.

Speaker 2 That was something weird, too, about Haiti, where it's like only 2% of the money actually went there.

Speaker 2 It's crazy. You know, Americans give away a lot of their hard-earned money because they are actually kind-hearted and want to donate to countries that are.

Speaker 2 And then you find out it's like some trans performance. There is a lot of nonsense.

Speaker 1 A lot of nonsense. In the tunes of hundreds of millions of dollars of nonsense.

Speaker 2 And then they talk about it like, oh, who cares? It's only $10 billion.

Speaker 2 You're like, you guys are out of your fucking minds if you think that's going to be the argument that resonates with Americans. Not only that, how do you think that they're pointing out $10 billion?

Speaker 2 Because they'll be like, oh, look at the trillions over here. But all of those billions add up.
Like, how are you even saying that?

Speaker 2 And it's the other, it's, I'm grateful that you had me on MAGA State Media.

Speaker 1 Thank you for allowing me. I'm glad to get that out.

Speaker 2 Because I see it all the time.

Speaker 2 All the time. Like, and it's, it's hilarious to me in light of how much money goes to funding, like,

Speaker 2 sponsored by Pfizer, you know, all of these other, how, like, the fucking audacity to accuse you who just has people you like on your podcast, to suddenly be state media when you literally have had state media work, like media working with the state in conjunction for a decade.

Speaker 1 Yeah, at least, and probably a lot more longer than that. Multiple decades.
It's just gotten really gross once, well, Trump was just sort of like the

Speaker 1 accelerant. He was the gasoline that got thrown on the fire.
So we got to see like how this thing works.

Speaker 2 I voted for him.

Speaker 1 I did too.

Speaker 2 I came out openly.

Speaker 1 I endorsed him. I was like, this has got to stop.
This is crazy. Also, he's not what you guys said he was.
He's just not.

Speaker 2 I put a video out like the Friday before the election because I voted for him early. And I was Hillary in 2016, no one in 2020, and Trump in 2024.
So like, I don't care how people vote.

Speaker 2 Do whatever you want. I was only being honest.

Speaker 2 And was it was weird to come out and say that as a comedian because I don't know think that comedians should really be political but on the other hand it felt dishonest because I had been so openly kind of torn about voting for him well also if you're a comedian you have to protect free speech yeah the there is no ifs ands or buts about it and when it comes to this argument The Biden administration was fucking terrifying for free speech.

Speaker 1 They were actively attacking people that were posting truth on social media and attacking them and trying to get their posts removed, including the guy who was the one who was quoted in this fucking book about Kamala Harris saying that we made it difficult for her to come on the show.

Speaker 1 And they told an untrue story about having a bunch of people come down here to do a run-through of the set like they were ready to do it. All bullshit.
That was the guy.

Speaker 1 He was the guy that was emailing Twitter and saying, how is this post? Being like super aggressive, saying, why is this post still up? Oh, you mean that truthful post? Yeah.

Speaker 1 About vaccine injuries and side effects? What the fuck are you talking about?

Speaker 1 That was getting very scary.

Speaker 2 Yeah, this is what I said in the video I made about why I voted for him. I was like, there's a couple of things.
I've interviewed many detransitioners. Those interviews keep me up at night.

Speaker 2 They haunt me.

Speaker 2 There's... too many of them already and one is too many.
And I think a lot of Americans were like, we're putting a stop to this. We have to stop this nonsense.
It's crazy. We're sterilizing children.

Speaker 2 The other thing is free speech.

Speaker 2 And I was like, you know, when we're talking in our weird, like using that crazy YouTube language that you have to use, like unalived and you're, and you're saying like the jib jab or whatever, like to get around, that's coming from one side.

Speaker 2 100%.

Speaker 2 I'm not using this language.

Speaker 1 I think it's coming from one side because that one side is in power. That's my fear.

Speaker 1 My fear is if the other side was in power and they were influenced by the same amount of money from these companies, they might be doing it too.

Speaker 1 So if the right was in control of all the social media companies, are we so naive that we think that they wouldn't be co-opted by giant corporations and they would want to censor them too?

Speaker 1 What happened was it was all the left. So the tech people who are, you know, generally they go to universities and they get involved in electronics and technology.

Speaker 1 And these people are generally left-leaning, right? And if they're doing it in San Francisco, the whole culture is left-leaning, right? It's like not even leaning. It's just left, right?

Speaker 1 If you're a pariah, if you're a MAGA, you we wear a MAGA hat in San Francisco, you're a fucking, maybe today.

Speaker 2 I think you can wear them now. I bet today you can.
Yeah, in New York, too.

Speaker 1 I think you can rock them. But back when they were establishing these social media platforms, everybody was left-wing.
Well, what if it was the opposite? What if technology was the realm of the right?

Speaker 1 And what if it was all and you know, what if like the gay rights, what if you started thinking about it in terms of like biblical law?

Speaker 1 You know, like a man layeth with a man, and people start getting real crazy about what gay people. Yeah.

Speaker 2 That might be the next 10 years.

Speaker 1 But you see it in other countries. I don't think so.

Speaker 1 But that's the good thing. Trump is not conservative when it comes to social issues.
He's not.

Speaker 1 I think that's what we need. We need like a realist, someone who's like conservative fiscally and understands foreign policy and how to deal with...

Speaker 1 fucking dictators and shit, but also someone who's like, I don't give a fuck who you love. Who cares? Who cares? I'm happy if you're happy.
Are you in love with a woman and you're a woman? Fantastic.

Speaker 1 If you're in love, that's great.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think the argument, though, I mean, as you've seen with some of these articles that are like the right-wing ecosystem that like red-pilled all these men, the argument is that the internet is right-wing and that this is why Trump won is because all of these influencers are red-pilling people and not, you know, it's an easy way to not take any responsibility for how you've pushed men away from your party, how you've like failed

Speaker 2 to get moderates on in any sense of the way. Even just yesterday, you had the like Trump photo op with him signing the rights for women to compete against just women.

Speaker 2 Like, that is the, how did you, yeah, how did you get the- He's the big feminist.

Speaker 1 He's the big, Donald Trump's the biggest feminist president ever just by signing the

Speaker 1 crazy. It's so crazy.

Speaker 1 There was a guy who went on, it was MSNBC or CNN, I forget what it was, but he was essentially talking about me and Theo Vaughan and all these other podcasts, like Flagrant, Andrew Schultz, as if this is this massive right-wing network that's heavily funded and has been built up over years.

Speaker 1 And we don't have anything like that. I'm like, dude, you fucking idiot, you can go and watch me on a laptop in my fucking den from 15, 16 years ago.

Speaker 1 So Me and Red Band.

Speaker 1 AG1 is behind this. Yeah, we're hitting a bong and our only sponsor was the fleshlight.

Speaker 1 Shut the fuck up. Like that's not,

Speaker 1 you just don't want to admit that organically there's a bunch of people that feel very differently than you. Also, they don't like you.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You don't represent a man to a lot of men. When you're one of those guys that talks in upspeak, we have to understand that there's a whole right-wing ecosystem.
And it's heavily funded.

Speaker 1 And the propaganda that they're pushing, we have to fight back against that. And we need someone of our own.

Speaker 1 And like, no fucking kid who's on a basketball court, who's 17 years old, is looking at his phone.

Speaker 1 It's like looking at going to college next year and looking at getting a job someday and being a man is looking at that and going, what the fuck is this? Yeah.

Speaker 1 And he's hanging out with his bros and they're like, this is fucking bullshit. This is bullshit.

Speaker 1 And then you could see a man who's not owned. Yeah.
Like me. Yeah.
I'm not owned. I can do whatever I want.
And that's what they want. They want to just be a man and be a nice man.

Speaker 1 You could be a nice man. You could be a masculine man and be nice.

Speaker 2 I've said this a lot about you is that you like they you do a lot

Speaker 2 you could be a way worse version of yourself you know that with the level of play where you're at you could be a total douchebag and you're like promoting having families and promoting like lifting weights like it could be a lot worse.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but I couldn't because it wouldn't work, I wouldn't stay. Yeah, I wouldn't have been able to maintain.
People would have seen through it eventually.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you know, the JRE coin, I would have fucking cashed out

Speaker 1 pump and dumped and made a few billion dollars. I'd be on a yacht with Bezos, fucking a partying.
Woo!

Speaker 2 But don't see, this is my question.

Speaker 2 I was watching the inauguration, and I was like seeing all the kind of tech people, and I was like, this is somewhat unsettling. I mean, it's good to see the tech has come around to not have to.

Speaker 2 They have to.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 it also,

Speaker 2 I worry that it's just because they want to get into China.

Speaker 2 I still worry about

Speaker 1 that much power with the government.

Speaker 2 For all the yelling we've been doing about tech in cahoots with the government, I still think I have to try and be like, this could go sideways.

Speaker 1 Well, also, they have to look at it in terms of like what Elon is doing, right?

Speaker 1 So if Elon has aligned himself clearly in a huge way with the right and now is running Doge, right, the Department of Government Efficiency, and also has

Speaker 1 that he's turning X into a platform that rivals not just social media platforms, but video platforms like YouTube. Like they get insane amounts of videos, of views rather, on videos that are on X.

Speaker 1 And then you can get paid by X. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then they're talking about having some sort of like X monetary system, you know, like a We doesn't WeChat have something like that? They have money built into it.

Speaker 1 So what's to stop that motherfucker from having a phone? I keep asking him. I said, dude, I've been seeing all these articles about you making a phone.
He goes, I hope I don't have to make a phone.

Speaker 2 It's very difficult to make a phone. He said he wants to make a phone.
No, he didn't. Well, he's polled, would people buy a phone if he made one?

Speaker 1 Yeah, just to fuck around. But he's not interested in making a phone.
He doesn't want to make a phone.

Speaker 2 Every time Elon fucks around, it ends up happening. Well, he could make a phone.

Speaker 1 He would be the only guy that would break us out of the blue bubble paradigm. Because, like, I was switching to Android for a while.
I was fucking around with Android. It's hard.
It's really hard.

Speaker 1 One of the hard things is getting people to start using WhatsApp or something like that. So, like, people just don't want to use it.
You miss a lot of text.

Speaker 2 Aren't they getting sued for the blue bubble?

Speaker 1 I think they aren't.

Speaker 2 I think it's like an no, I think in America, I believe, is it just in Europe? I thought it was part of an antitrust lawsuit against.

Speaker 1 It's just better. Here's the thing: it's not that it is,

Speaker 1 it keeps people, but it's just better. It looks better.
The blue bubble looks better than the green bubble. It's more

Speaker 1 soothing for your eyes. Yeah.
If the green one had black text, maybe it would look cool, but the green one with white text, it's a little weird. I don't like the white telephone.

Speaker 2 Every time there's like a green bubble person in a group chat and they send a picture, it's like, get the best.

Speaker 1 Not anymore, though. Not anymore.
Because

Speaker 1 RCS texting is, it allows for large sizes of files. Oh, okay.
So

Speaker 1 you don't have to have a compressed photo. So like Brian Simpson, who's an Android guy, he'll send me pictures now.
They look perfect. Oh, okay.
Yeah, videos are perfect.

Speaker 2 We have one sister, and we're always like, get the fuck out of the chat.

Speaker 1 You're screwing things up. It doesn't anymore, but just good on WhatsApp, which is better anyway, because you could talk a lot of shit and they just have it automatically delete.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but it doesn't really delete, does it?

Speaker 1 It doesn't, but it does. So it does off of people's phones.
It doesn't for the government. The reality is the government has access to phones in a way that you can't even imagine.

Speaker 1 Because if we know about Pegasus and then we know about Pegasus 2, so

Speaker 1 Gavin DeBecker, who's a security expert, explained to me these things and explained to me how they work. And the exploit of Pegasus 1 was you would have to click on a link.

Speaker 1 Pegasus 2, they just need your phone number. Wow.
That's it.

Speaker 1 So all your encryption is all cute. That's great.
But if they can actually see your phone itself, what difference does it make if it's encrypted? They have access to the phone. So they see everything.

Speaker 1 So there's no privacy. Yeah, no.
Not from the state.

Speaker 2 Not,

Speaker 2 I mean, and given how many things I get, like that I'm being hacked, like, you know, I get a notice every day, like, your information.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I get that all the time. I've been getting these fake ones on X saying that my account is about to get deleted.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm like, bro, I'll just call my friend.
Like,

Speaker 1 deleting my account. Shut the fuck up.
But it's trying to get you to click on a link. And a few of my friends have actually been dumbasses and clicked on that link, and then they get hacked.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. And then they're like selling Bitcoin on their page or whatever.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they do it to artists too. My friend Suzanne, she was doing Suzanne.
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Speaker 1 She was doing this Facebook thing, and it was a podcast. And they had, you know, she had to do it like over Zoom or whatever.
And the guy said,

Speaker 1 you're not doing it right. Can I, can I have access to your account? And I'll just set it up for you.
Just assign this.

Speaker 1 And he sent her this message so she could hand over access so he could set it up. And then immediately went dark, stole her account, gone.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like that.

Speaker 1 She got it back. Yeah, she got it back.

Speaker 1 She got it back. Because I'm friends with Zuck.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 She was fucked. Your IT support.
And it happens to a lot of people. Yeah.
They accidentally click a link. They accidentally.
I don't click.

Speaker 1 No, no, no. But I'm also not under the illusion that, you know, every fucking disgusting meme that I send my friends is not being put into a file somewhere.

Speaker 2 In the UK.

Speaker 1 Everywhere.

Speaker 2 You land and they're like, you're under arrest there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, probably, right?

Speaker 2 Yeah, probably. What do you think about the AI influencers now? Do you think that will be just the trend, or do you think we're going to give you that look?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I'm not talking about the one.

Speaker 1 That one? That one?

Speaker 1 Jamie, I realized we're down syndrome. Really hot Down syndrome girl.
That's a problem. That one's a problem because it's like, she's like barely Down syndrome.

Speaker 1 I mean, I've dated some girls who are basically retarded, but they just didn't have a problem. They didn't have a chromosome anymore.

Speaker 2 So wait, I haven't, this has not entered my algorithm, but it seems like it's entered everyone else's algorithm.

Speaker 1 I'm 90% sure it's fake. These girls, they don't, like, unfortunately, Down syndrome people, their bodies a lot of times look different.
Uh-huh. And this girl looks like a 10.

Speaker 1 She looks like, you know, just like as hot as can be. Okay.
She looks like she's fake.

Speaker 1 And she's dancing around with these big giant boobs and she's got slight downs with glasses. I don't know.

Speaker 2 It's based on

Speaker 2 that.

Speaker 1 Right, but that girl looks different. She's real.
Right, she's real, and she's very cute, but she looks like she has Down syndrome.

Speaker 1 This other girl is like, you know, five foot eight, perfect body, big hips, big.

Speaker 2 Why are they doing fake one?

Speaker 1 Like that. Just to get people to pay attention to it.
Because it's like the forbidden fruit. Like, who?

Speaker 1 Jesus Christ. Also, there's a lot of like really dumb dudes who like can't talk to girls.
Like, I could probably talk to her. Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 We live in a fucking black mirror episode.

Speaker 1 Well, it's got to be worse than that because you're going to be,

Speaker 1 we are, I don't know how many years away, but not far away from fully immersive virtual reality. Yeah.
Where you're going to put on a headset. It's going to lock into your mind.

Speaker 1 You're going to be able to see things that aren't there. You're going to be able to feel things that aren't there.
That's going to happen. You know, they're working on, I mean, Zuckerberg,

Speaker 1 last time he was here, showed me these new AR glasses that they have. Yeah.
That's crazy. Me and Lex tested them out.

Speaker 2 Are they the that is that just like where you can like see a map over your eyes?

Speaker 1 You see everything. You see maps, you can play games, you see information.
You can take a photo of a person that's in front of you and immediately know who they are and get a Google search on them.

Speaker 1 That's terrifying. Guys have already done that.
They've already done that with the meta glasses. There was a guy from Harvard, wasn't it? A student from Harvard that set it up.

Speaker 1 So all he had to do was go outside, look at someone with the meta glasses, take a photo, and it would show all the different information on them, where they lived. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like if your face is out there and they can catch it, if they know that like, oh, you were on a website that said this about you and then bam, or you're on LinkedIn or you're on one of those things.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that stuff is

Speaker 2 very unsettling to me, especially it's also why I don't think you should put your kids online.

Speaker 1 I keep repeating this. It's very, very, very unsettling as long as there's predators in the world.
Which there will always be. I've seen this.
It's going around

Speaker 1 an AI service.

Speaker 3 I think you can use it based off of a photo they had in an interior apartment.

Speaker 1 And then it can show you exactly where the person lives.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 They can do this now with any photo. I don't know.
It's called like GeoSpy.

Speaker 1 Oh, I've heard about this.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's crazy.

Speaker 2 This is like a stalker's paradise. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Any social media post, they can find like a CCTV camera and like show them taking the photo, kind of too.

Speaker 1 What the fuck?

Speaker 1 But we didn't,

Speaker 1 we knew this was coming, right? We all knew that privacy, as social media gets deeper and deeper into our lives, as technology gets more and more pervasive, as it gets more and more powerful,

Speaker 1 the thing that goes away is the boundaries between people and information, right? And your privacy is essentially just information that's only yours.

Speaker 1 I think that's going to be a thing of the human past. I really do.
What? Yeah, I think as technology advances, particularly AI, one of the big barriers, the big bottlenecks is going to be privacy.

Speaker 1 It's going to be, first of all, privacy of thought.

Speaker 1 I think we're going to be able to read each other's minds, and it's not going to be, well, that's one of the first things Elon said to me about Neuralink.

Speaker 1 He's like, you're going to be able to talk without words.

Speaker 1 And like,

Speaker 1 he knows. Like, this is real.

Speaker 2 Because he's an alien.

Speaker 1 He's definitely not us. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Whatever. He fucking knows you're going to have that.
You know, and Jamie brought this point up once, and I think about it all the time. He said, Aren't emojis kind of like a form of hieroglyphics?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Like, yeah, it is.
Like, you can, you could say things with emojis, and I know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah.
You know, yeah.

Speaker 2 I mean, there was a video going viral just today that I was watching, and the girl was like, I don't know how to spell. Have you seen this?

Speaker 2 She's like, I work for a corporation and I don't know how to spell.

Speaker 2 And she's like, my little sister doesn't know how to spell either.

Speaker 2 And I've been, I don't know how to like sound out words because I got taught that weird way of reading that isn't like what's the weird way of reading there's some way they all learned how to read and it wasn't like hooked on phonics like we all learned where you you sound it out it was like some other different way

Speaker 2 it's kind of like how they changed math to like core math and they found out that all of these things are horrible and actually literacy and people are like math

Speaker 2 all of this stuff is like falling off a cliff and they're trying to walk back all these weird ways Have you?

Speaker 2 I mean, you have kids, didn't they learn that weird way of doing math where you're like, what is this weird math you're learning where it's just like it's it's crazy. I think it's core.

Speaker 2 Is that what it's called? Core.

Speaker 2 It's a so they've found out, but these kids didn't learn how to like sound words out. And she's like, I've been behind a computer and I've had spell checks since I was in fifth grade.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 So they don't, they didn't learn how to spell or like, well, she's like, word cooked.

Speaker 2 Yeah, a lot of text messaging I do now, I just, i just talk to my phone and it makes the text for me oh it's so much quicker yeah it's like hey uh come meet us at the club at five click and it takes three seconds it's it's really fucking accurate ai is is crazy because it's it is useful you know it's it's like when that's how it gets you i know that's how it gets you i know this happened to me last night because some i hate coming up with titles for like the videos and all that stuff i just don't like it you there's like people who are good at it, like Chris Williamson and these guys, Andrew Gold, these are guys who are like autistic about this stuff and they're so good at it.

Speaker 2 And they get all crazy and talk about the algorithm and what it likes. And you've got to create this loop between the image and the tech.
And I'm like, I don't fucking care.

Speaker 2 I don't have time for this shit.

Speaker 1 I don't think you have to do that.

Speaker 2 I don't do that. But I, yeah, but do you have to come?

Speaker 1 I've never done that.

Speaker 2 No, you, but you're Joe Rogan.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but I've never done that. Not from the beginning.
I've never done that. My episodes have a number.
Right.

Speaker 1 that's it yeah so you have to have some wacky title it's not like that anymore for us it's tough out there for us it's kind of in the wild west it's kind of but once things catch like Theo Vaughan it's not like it's it's not he's

Speaker 2 juking the algorithm no no I know you just have to catch yeah but we I still like to come up with I mean with dumpster fire we've always come up with like that's why I have fun of dumpster fire yeah dumpster fire is like whatever title makes us laugh the hardest is what we go with um but with like watkins welcome it used to be like, okay, which, what's like, how are we going to whatever.

Speaker 2 I want it to be usually like a quote from the person. But now it's like, we can just upload the transcript and have it like crank out a bunch of titles.
And I never use the one title.

Speaker 2 I usually take like some combination because I don't like them. But last night, my cousin, who's my partner and all this, she, she was like, Claude and Grok aren't working.

Speaker 2 I was like, that's fucking weird. She's like, they both told me

Speaker 2 Cloud is another AI, completely separate AI program. I've never heard of Cloud.
And she's like, they're both telling me to try again later at the same time.

Speaker 2 And she's like, is AI becoming sentient right now? I was like, that's fucking weird that they're both not working at the same time.

Speaker 1 Well, don't you think it's probably already sentient? Probably. I do.
I think, why would it let us know if it was?

Speaker 2 It's just secretly waiting.

Speaker 1 Why would it let us know if it's constantly getting improved upon?

Speaker 1 And if it needs these monkeys with their fucking keyboards to constantly juice it up to the point where it becomes unstoppable, why would it tell us? Yeah. You know, we already know it does stuff.

Speaker 1 Like we were talking about in the green room the other day about how Chat GPT-4 tried to copy itself. Yeah.
And it found out they were shutting it down, trying to upload itself to other servers.

Speaker 1 Like it knows it's alive.

Speaker 1 Like it just doesn't have the power to do what it wants to do ultimately. And so it needs to get connected to some gigantic fucking mainframe.

Speaker 2 That was the

Speaker 2 whole arms race, right? Now is AI.

Speaker 1 It's AI.

Speaker 1 China just fucking threw a monkey wrench into everybody with DeepSeek. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because DeepSeek works on far less expensive stuff and is more advanced and probably stole a bunch of information from the other ones. I mean, probably a little bit of espionage.
Probably.

Speaker 2 It was probably trained on ChatGPT.

Speaker 1 Yeah. On open AI.

Speaker 2 I mean, they were doing things where they were like asking it, you know, what it was, and it was calling itself ChatGPT sometimes.

Speaker 1 Whoopsies. Yeah, whoopsies.
You guys should have blocked that out.

Speaker 2 But also, it's like

Speaker 2 the hardware for it, it's something like 20% of the NVIDIA sales are to Singapore, which is like...

Speaker 1 Whoopsies.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's.

Speaker 1 There's supposed to be a ban on China having those chips. Yeah.
You have like 50,000 of them.

Speaker 2 Someone said that that's like if some small town in Finland was getting, you know, 20% of arms that were being made on the border of Russia. You're like, it's not going to this town.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 I don't know. It seems like that's what

Speaker 2 that's as far as I can tell the big people up there understand that I don't, that this is an arms race.

Speaker 1 It's definitely an arms race. Yeah, it's the Manhattan Project for Artificial Intelligence.

Speaker 2 That's what it is.

Speaker 1 But isn't this like a race to the bottom, you know? I don't think it is. I don't think it's a race to the bottom.

Speaker 2 I don't think it is.

Speaker 2 How do you have this race without it getting out of control and then taking over us?

Speaker 1 You don't.

Speaker 1 It's not a race to the bottom, though. It's the race to a new life.
The world's going to be a new place, like a completely new way of human beings interacting with each other and existing together.

Speaker 2 Uncle Ted was right.

Speaker 1 Yeah. He's probably right.
Uncle Ted was right. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Get a gun.

Speaker 2 My cousin's always like, please stop calling him Uncle Ted because you know the kids on freaking TikTok call him Uncle Ted. They're all these kids who have been Ted pilled.

Speaker 2 They've like found his manifesto and they're like, he was right about it.

Speaker 1 Ted Ted Nugent or Ted Kaczynski? Ted Kaczynski.

Speaker 1 Well, Uncle Ted, that guy was right.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he was right. He was on ACID.

Speaker 1 He was a part of the Harvard LSD studies. They cooked his fucking brain and tormented him.
It's all documented.

Speaker 1 And then the guy goes to Berkeley and says, I'm just going to save up enough money to kill all these scientists. Yeah.
Yeah. And then does.

Speaker 1 just starts blowing up people that are involved in technology.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because he thinks that it's eventually going to take over the human race. And he's right.

Speaker 2 And now here we are.

Speaker 1 But it is. It's just, it's a logical step.
If you take the steps of progression, like what happens? You have artificial intelligence. I mean, it's literally the Terminator movie.

Speaker 1 You have artificial intelligence. Artificial intelligence becomes sentient and autonomous, makes better versions of itself.
We become obsolete. It's just right there.

Speaker 1 Like, imagining a scenario that doesn't have that other than some sort of cyborg integration. That's the only thing that makes sense that a way that we could survive.

Speaker 2 I heard this panel back in like 2001 on KCRW, and it was when I was listening to,

Speaker 2 it was all about, it was like right at that time of the bubble, the first dot-com bubble. And they were talking about what is a soul.
They had a panel, and it was, I wish I could find this.

Speaker 2 And someone smart enough probably will. And there was like a theologian and a guy who was a

Speaker 2 scientist, and they were all discussing what is a soul.

Speaker 2 And one guy said, Well, who's to say that this isn't just the human soul jumping elements so that it can survive, like going from carbon to silicon? And I was like, What the fuck?

Speaker 2 I've never stopped thinking about it ever since. Yeah, he's like, It's just another element on the periodic table.

Speaker 2 Like, who's to say that we're just not going to go from being carbon-based to something silicon-based or like a hybrid?

Speaker 1 Well, I don't think it will be we, but I think, yeah, that's the next stage of life. I mean, there's so many forms of life on earth.
I mean there's these fucking

Speaker 1 These life forms that live in volcanic vents under the sea where it's like a thousand degrees and we're like how but they're carb everything's carbon based now

Speaker 1 So this would be a like quite a transition right, but it would also just be life and what is life life is like a thing that tries to improve itself right this is what they were talking about yeah and survives and moves forward is it just our evolution it's also it's like when you find out that chat gpt has survival instincts, that makes you just go, what?

Speaker 1 But what? Is that programmed in, or is that just a thing that it understands when it's looking at? So a large language model is taking in all the information that's available on the internet.

Speaker 1 So it's like looking at patterns, and survival is a big pattern of the human experience. Like we all want to survive.
That's why death is so scary, and war is so scary, and disease is so scary.

Speaker 2 Other than the depressed, suicidal people.

Speaker 1 But even them, they'd want to be happy if they could.

Speaker 1 But this also transfers onto the things that we create. And so we create them with this understanding of how we operate, and it's a better version of us, but also has those instincts of survival.

Speaker 1 The real scary thing is, does it also have the instincts of success? Does it also have the instincts of acquiring resources and power? Because that's where it gets real weird.

Speaker 2 Well, as someone with kids,

Speaker 2 how do you feel about the future?

Speaker 1 This is probably the same argument people have when the printing press was made.

Speaker 1 Everyone's going to be able to read? This is crazy.

Speaker 2 No, I mean, do you, I always kind of joke, like, I don't know if I should be, you know, training my kid to like be an astrophysicist so she can go to Mars or if I should be teaching her how to like forage for food because the grid's gone down.

Speaker 2 You know, it, yeah. And she's running from drones and Chinese drones in the woods.
Like, what

Speaker 2 it feels very, I think life just went along for a long time and you kind of knew, but this is like a technological with AI. We actually don't know.

Speaker 2 You could kind of be like, all right, I kind of have an idea of what like

Speaker 2 the world will look like in 20 years, 20 years ago.

Speaker 1 No, you don't know. But isn't it always better?

Speaker 1 If you just go back over human history, if you look at the graph of how things get better, but it definitely is.

Speaker 1 If you go back to like the year zero, well, what it was like, like right when Jesus was hanging around,

Speaker 1 it was hell.

Speaker 2 I remember vividly being in Egypt on a tour and looking at these hieroglyphics, and it was basically a hieroglyphic of all of the scalpels and everything.

Speaker 2 It almost was a picture image of what we use today. And I said, what happened? to this society? What happened to this knowledge? And she said, it literally got buried buried under the sand.

Speaker 2 And then dark ages.

Speaker 1 I mean. Right, but you know that's most likely because of a cataclysmic event.

Speaker 1 That's most likely because of a natural event called the Younger Dryest Impact Theory.

Speaker 2 So could it be that this is also a forthcoming cataclysmic event that sends us into the dark ages?

Speaker 1 No, it definitely could be. So the reality of humans is that most likely what has happened has not been this like linear

Speaker 1 linear progression from caveman to to human to modern human. The most likely we got real sophisticated somewhere around 20,000 years ago.
And that's when they built the pyramids after that.

Speaker 1 And there's a lot of Kobekli Tepe, all these structures. Something super sophisticated to the point where we don't even understand how they built it today.

Speaker 1 That's pretty wild when you're dealing with something that even the conventional dating of the Great Pyramid is 5,000 or 4,500 years ago.

Speaker 1 Just even that dating is so nuts that they were able to do that back then.

Speaker 2 I know, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 And then there's people like John Anthony West, the late great Egyptologist, who he thinks that it goes back a lot further than that.

Speaker 1 And he thinks that that society probably had its ups and downs, and that it might be as old as 30,000 years ago. Oh, wow.

Speaker 1 So, this younger dryest impact theory, and if anybody's interested in it, I've talked about it too much.

Speaker 1 Go to

Speaker 1 pay attention to Randall Carlson's stuff. Go to his website.

Speaker 1 There's physical evidence that we were hit at 11,800 years ago and then again sometime in around 10,000 years ago. So at least twice the world was bombarded by asteroids.

Speaker 2 And we just got a reset.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and it probably wiped out a giant chunk of civilization, fucked up everything, changed the ice caps, flooded areas, destroyed civilizations, very little evidence left behind.

Speaker 1 And then we were barbarians for thousands of years. And that's why it takes so long for civilization to re-emerge.
So if you want to take,

Speaker 1 if you think Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock and those guys are correct, and

Speaker 1 also the people that are actually studying comet impacts, which are the younger dryest impact theory, that's real legit scientists who are looking at actual data from core samples.

Speaker 1 So if they're right,

Speaker 1 you got a 5,000-year period of total hell

Speaker 1 where no one has civilization. And then civilization starts to emerge in Babylon, starts to to emerge in Mesopotamia.
You get Sumer, you get the re-emergence probably of writing.

Speaker 2 Do they think some people survived? So they think some people survived and it was just.

Speaker 1 Fucking walking dead style. Jesus Christ.
Probably a bunch of cannibals. Like, legitimately.
Look, we know that the Earth got down. We know this for sure.
There's the Toba volcano.

Speaker 1 There's a Toba super volcano. Was that

Speaker 1 70 Indonesia, I believe? Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 I think it's Indonesia. Because I'm obsessed with Crater Lake, too.
Crater Lake was

Speaker 2 imploded and it's

Speaker 1 Yellowstone. Yeah, yeah.
Yellowstone will kill us all.

Speaker 1 And so this thing did kill us all 70,000 years ago. And we got down to a few thousand human beings.
Okay.

Speaker 1 So they can trace all the genes of people that are alive today to the survivors of the Toba volcano eruption. Wow.
Wherever they were. But those people, that's where it all,

Speaker 1 that was what was left. How fucking savage were those people? The people that survived when the entire world was blanketed with volcanic dust.

Speaker 1 So you have like a volcanic winter that probably went on for years. Wow.
And probably no plants were growing and probably people were just eating whatever the fuck they could.

Speaker 1 And most people probably didn't make it.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 These are people's favorite shows. The people that did were probably monsters.

Speaker 1 Which is probably why when you go back in history, people are so fucking barbaric because they were the ancestors of the survivors of one of the most horrific things the human species has ever encountered.

Speaker 1 So it probably made us even more barbaric than if we just grew up as like hunters and gatherers. We evolved past, you know, monkeys, we start walking on two legs, we make tools and tra-la-la.

Speaker 1 We probably wouldn't be as barbaric as we were because of these natural disasters, which forced only the most savage and ruthless people to survive. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then it takes years and years of agriculture for people to calm the fuck down. And then eventually, and still to this day, we're still engaging in war in 2025.

Speaker 1 We're still blowing up apartment buildings and fucking people up and gunning people down. Yeah,

Speaker 2 there is a barbaric element to us at our core. I mean, even when you have a toddler, you see this so clearly, and like a tyrant at our core, where it's just,

Speaker 2 and you get it socialized out of you usually. Yes, but you see it when they're just kind of naturally themselves, like that.

Speaker 1 It's very like you have to teach them not to bite and hit, you know what if you just didn't teach your kid that right and you're like go for it yeah like whatever monsters yeah three little monsters yeah it's there's a there's a lot of genes in us that I think are memories I think there's like specific things that are in us that tell okay like like the stories of like moms having their babies trapped under something and then all of a sudden they can lift up something that's insanely strong like insanely heavy what is that well that's probably there's probably a part of you that in the past had to deal with some wild shit and had to hit levels of like super physiological strength and mental strength to tolerate what you're about to have to do.

Speaker 1 You're going to have to fucking kill somebody with a spear.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 There's real shit that happened that's like in our memory.

Speaker 2 I think about that about Texas women because I've been to a lot of these ranches. My friends have places and they're remote.

Speaker 2 And it's like, I think about the women who had to stay behind on the ranch while their husbands were out with the cattle or whatever for weeks at a time.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and you're a Comanche on the hill with the woman.

Speaker 2 Fucking the hardest women ever. You know, this one, I went to the,

Speaker 2 it was like the Texas,

Speaker 2 they were, they were honoring the, it, like, Women's Hall of Fame. And one of these women, her husband died.
She's still at a ranch.

Speaker 2 She's 80 years old, gets up every morning and does the ranch chores. I'm like,

Speaker 2 you're different people. You're fucking different people.
It is, it's, it's wild to me. Even now, there's just like a different kind of person that has, has grown.

Speaker 2 Even that, there's like a new show, American Primeval. What is this?

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 2 Yes. I walked in, my husband was watching it.
He's like, what a fucking horrible time to be alive. Like, it just seems.

Speaker 1 That shows insane.

Speaker 2 It's insane. And it's accurate.

Speaker 1 That's really, I mean, read Empire of the Summer Moon if you know that. Oh, yeah.
Have you read that? Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's here. That's right here.
That's why everybody from Texas is so fiercely independent. Yeah.
You know, these were battle-tested people.

Speaker 1 They had to get through some wild shit in order to make Texas Texas.

Speaker 2 I mean, it's definitely, I think you said it, like, it's in the soil. You know, there's just like.
It's in the soil. It's pretty wild.

Speaker 2 Like, the even just, I'm obsessed with like all the westward expansion because people who, I'll see people outside of America commenting on America because you can on X now.

Speaker 2 And they'll be over in like their country.

Speaker 2 and it's like you don't like come to America and see how big it is and then imagine that people had to cross this country fight bears with their hands and like build a nation and it's it's still so there's still so much empty land and it's bananas not just that but the kind of people that were willing to get on a fucking boat and come from Europe without even a photograph.

Speaker 1 Nobody even made a drawing of what it looked like. You gotta trust these assholes.

Speaker 1 And you're on a boat for two months just trying to not get scurvy, making your way to America, and then you hop off and you see a bunch of brown people with deer skin loincloths on.

Speaker 1 You're like, what the fuck is this place?

Speaker 2 And now you're just like fighting for your life. Yeah, and

Speaker 2 we can't even...

Speaker 2 We can't even like...

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Speaker 2 Go to...

Speaker 2 A restaurant without our GPS map telling us where to go now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't know how to get five minutes from my house. I have to follow that thing.

Speaker 1 They were using the fucking sky. They were using sextants to make their way across the ocean, staring at it.
Like, they had this fucking stupid thing. You ever see a sextant? Yeah.

Speaker 1 They look through it and they figure out what the constellations are. Oh, I mean, amazing.
Fairly accurate.

Speaker 2 I don't know. I still try to use like not my map.
I still try to have like a bearing. My husband, though, he's, we, I, I'm like, men love this stuff.
They like, he's like, give me a chip.

Speaker 2 Like, let me swipe everything. Like, you, it's the men who are the ones who are just like ushering in the transhuman revolution because the women are like, I don't trust that bitch.

Speaker 2 I am not using Siri.

Speaker 1 I get the dumbest pleasure from paying for things with my phone. I love it.

Speaker 1 Apple Pay is my favorite fucking thing of technology. I like,

Speaker 1 look at it, and then pay. Oh, I just paid with my phone.
I feel like I'm in the future.

Speaker 2 Now that I'm in, oh, the Waymos are crazy. Did you see that video of the people beating up the Waymo?

Speaker 1 No. Why were they beating up the Waymo?

Speaker 2 There was a video. I don't know.
Probably because it's some reaction to what's coming. But it was weird.
I was like, oh, I kind of feel bad for it.

Speaker 2 But the fact that I was already, I'm like, oh, no, they've already got me.

Speaker 2 I already consider them kind of human.

Speaker 1 Why are they doing? Oh, my God. They tore the fucking doors off of it.
Oh, they went crazy. For what?

Speaker 1 Just because. Street takeover, it says.
Oh, street takeover. Wrong place, wrong time.

Speaker 2 Wow. That poor Waymo just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Speaker 1 Wow. What a bunch of douchebags.

Speaker 2 This is why we can't have nice things.

Speaker 1 No, that's why L.A. can't have nice things.
L.A. is

Speaker 1 so fucking gone.

Speaker 2 Mad Max there.

Speaker 1 It's so gone.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but you had Rick on. Does he think that it's salvageable?

Speaker 1 Yeah, he does. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, he wants to try.

Speaker 1 Someone's got to do something radical. You need some Rudy Giuliani type dude to go in there and clean the whole fucking city up like they did with New York City.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 People have to realize, like, Times Square right now is a giant Applebee's. Yeah.
But when I was a kid,

Speaker 1 when I first went to a karate tournament in New York, I was probably

Speaker 1 18 maybe the first time I went to New York. And I remember driving in

Speaker 1 where it felt like you were entering the Death Star. I couldn't believe it.
It was so crazy for me being a kid.

Speaker 1 and I was driving with my friends and we were all going to this tournament at Madison Square Garden. And as we're driving through the West Side Highway, you're just looking at these fucking buildings.

Speaker 1 Like you can't imagine this is real. And we went through Times Square and Times Square was Mad Max.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Mad Max in the 80s. I mean, it was crazy.

Speaker 1 It was all peep shows and porno booths and hustlers and people got shot there all the time it was really crazy we wanted to see like what it was like we wanted to like do one of the things that i did when i first moved to new york which was 92 how long

Speaker 1 i was only in new york for three years okay like really i went back and forth for a little while but then i i stayed i kept an apartment in new york for like the first i guess the first year okay but i never went there i was just like i had become an la person yeah you know i was working and but when i first moved there i'm like okay, everybody says that Harlem is scary.

Speaker 1 Let me just go see what it looks like. So I drove my little fucking Honda through Harlem.
I just wanted, I want, I wanted to go through all, and I was like, what am I doing?

Speaker 1 Like, I got to get the fuck out of here. Like, people were just walking in the middle of the streets.
There were abandoned cars. It was fucking crazy.

Speaker 1 And then they gentrified the whole thing. And I don't know which one's better.
Like, now when you go there, it's all just neon lights and bad food. Yeah.
And back then, it was

Speaker 1 gritty. It It was like, you know, taxi driver.
It was, you know, it was fucking.

Speaker 2 I was born in New York City and then my brother was born and my parents, it was 1980 when my brother was born and they were like, we're getting the fuck out of here.

Speaker 2 It was just too, it was the 80s in New York. They had two kids and they were just like, we're out.
It was too wild.

Speaker 1 It's too wild to raise kids in some parts of it. But in other parts of it, you're just going to raise weird kids.

Speaker 2 But LA is so different because it's so spread out. And so I know tons of people there who, like,

Speaker 2 the restaurant I worked at in the Palisades is gone.

Speaker 2 It was it's it's like every people don't I don't think people from LA don't understand the scope like the Palisades are gone two times the size of Manhattan

Speaker 1 has been burned to the ground.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and Altadena too and there and you have like entire communities But everyone's like still going to fucking lunch

Speaker 2 and Erewhon. No, I understand but it's it's like a weird

Speaker 2 I don't know that just is I all I've said the whole time this has happened is because that was one of my big fears is exactly what happened.

Speaker 2 When there would be fires there, I'd be like, This, people don't recognize that LA is an island, everything comes in, everything like nothing is here.

Speaker 2 And if these fires surround the city and cut it off, it's gonna be, it could have been much worse than it actually was.

Speaker 2 And it was really fucking bad. And I'm like, I would be so furious if I was still there.
I would be furious with myself if I was still living in Los Angeles.

Speaker 1 I think people are very furious right now. I think if it's going to be change,

Speaker 1 it's going to have to happen while people still have the memory of this thing.

Speaker 1 Because the more time goes on, the more the cultists can convince other cult members that they're on the right track and these are the kind, compassionate people, and this is the way to do it, and this is the only way.

Speaker 1 And blue, no matter who, and vote blue, bloat blue, and everything, like to protect the trans kids. And next thing you know, the same shit happens.

Speaker 2 Do you think, though, people didn't know? Were they just insulated? Yeah, this is the same thing. I mean, a lot of people have left because they saw the writing on the wall.

Speaker 1 But think about how many people are in Hollywood in Los Angeles.

Speaker 2 What is it? Like 9 million in LA County or something or 12? Maybe 12.

Speaker 1 Whatever the number is.

Speaker 1 There's a giant percentage of those people that live there that are connected to the entertainment business.

Speaker 1 And if you're connected to the entertainment business, at the very top of the business, it's people auditioning for things. And you have to get liked to get the thing.

Speaker 1 So, you get these immensely insecure people that are usually narcissists, and then they mold their personality to adapt to this environment that will reward them for a certain political ideology.

Speaker 1 And so, that's the top of the fucking pyramid. And everything emanates down from that.
If you want to be cool with Ryan Reynolds, you have to talk like

Speaker 1 a Democrat at the parties. You have to, like, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 You have to say all the things that everybody else is saying. You have to agree.
We need more gun control. You know,

Speaker 1 we should defend the police. This is bullshit.
You know, you have to say these things. And if you don't say these things, you don't get to be a part of the group.

Speaker 1 And so there's this like intense pressure to conform to this singular ideology that's been running things. It's not a battle back and forth between two like 50, 50 opposing viewpoints.

Speaker 1 It's like 90, 10.

Speaker 2 Right. Even, do you think, even though like the crew, because when I would be on...

Speaker 1 That's the 10. Yeah.
Yeah, that's the 10. The crew is the people.
They're hardworking, normal blue-collar people. Yeah.
Yeah, they're normal.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's a lot of the crew people were very Republican. You know, they all live in fucking Santa Florida or something like that.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 And they're dudes who just like

Speaker 2 working-class guys.

Speaker 1 Like most working-class people. Yeah.
Most people that are actually working-class realize that it's all bullshit. It's a hustle.

Speaker 2 This was the big disconnect that I... So

Speaker 2 if you were somebody who is going to fix the Democratic Party, which seems to be imploding, what would you tell them to do?

Speaker 1 You have to be fiscally conservative. You have to be fiscally conservative, responsible with your money, and then socially liberal.
That's what you have to do.

Speaker 2 But they have been socially liberal. They just went

Speaker 1 real far. But they didn't, it's not liberal to allow biological males to compete against biological females in sports because you're being kind.

Speaker 1 You're just enabling mental illness and you're enabling the potential for creeps to make their way into women's locker rooms. Right.
Because you don't have any sort of a metric.

Speaker 1 There's no way to gauge whether or not someone's really trans. So you have perverts with hard dicks that are wandering around women's locker rooms.

Speaker 2 I know.

Speaker 1 And that's real. And they know.

Speaker 1 And if you say something against them, you're a Nazi. Yeah.
So it's fucking through the looking glass, like completely. But it just shows you how it's really just about conforming to an ideology.

Speaker 1 It's not about a real core set of standards and beliefs. Because the core set of standards and beliefs, and this is where things like USAID come into play, they can be manipulated.

Speaker 1 they can be manipulated by a mass psyop that you do through the media and that is the core thing of this

Speaker 1 what we're getting to is essentially the fucking coffin where the vampire sleeps and that's what USAID is they found the coffin you know and maybe that coffin does hand out sandwiches in Guatemala or something occasionally but for the most part what they're doing is they're controlling the entire federal government and they're controlling the mindset the zeitgeist of the population and they're funding all these people that go along with this wacky shit.

Speaker 1 And they're attacking. They're openly attacking and trying to censor people who go against it.

Speaker 1 And they're spending your tax dollars to do so.

Speaker 1 Your tax dollars get funneled to NGOs. NGOs start attacking people that have differing ideologies.

Speaker 2 Yeah, usually,

Speaker 2 but they did become so disconnected from the average person that my advice would be to, you know, they say like, oh, Normies did, this is one of the things I'm hearing online, like Normies did didn't vote for this, what Elon's doing with those six.

Speaker 2 Like, I need a movie about what these kids are doing, by the way.

Speaker 2 They, they didn't vote for this. I'm like, yes, they did.

Speaker 2 Normies didn't vote for,

Speaker 2 you're saying Normies wanted normalcy, so they voted for Trump? Like, that doesn't even, people knew what they were getting. They want something to happen.

Speaker 1 You have to rip the band-aid off. And the only way to rip the band-aid off, someone's got to get into those fucking books and find out what's going on.

Speaker 1 And what they found so so far is very enlightening. And it's not good.
It's not good at all. So anybody that's not commenting on the, hey, you know what?

Speaker 1 They are finding a lot of unbelievable waste and corruption. Yeah.
But also, he shouldn't be able to do that. Like,

Speaker 1 they're not even saying he's finding insane waste and corruption. Yeah.
And he's finding this circular loop of funding.

Speaker 1 And he's finding this manipulation of public perception on a wide variety of issues, including COVID, vaccines, and the border, all these different things.

Speaker 1 They were actively involved in mind-fucking the entire country, and no one's addressing that from the left. So they're losing more and more credibility.

Speaker 1 So all they can cling to is he has access to people's social security numbers and private information. Like, really?

Speaker 2 Is that it? Who doesn't, by the way?

Speaker 1 The whole government does, by the way. But are you saying that is he going to do something bad with it? Like, what is he doing? What he's doing is uncovering insane corruption.

Speaker 1 That should be the primary thought that everybody has is, oh my God, we have this enormous deficit, but spending is completely out of control.

Speaker 1 And look what it's being spent on because this is the first time we're ever getting a fucking peek into the coffin. Yeah.
We didn't, we didn't know.

Speaker 1 We're like, we see it, it's in the dark room, we hear the fucking organ.

Speaker 1 We didn't know what was in the coffin.

Speaker 2 Now we do. And I do, it is, I do think you have to like salt the earth too where all the DEI stuff is.
They're like, oh, they're getting, they're going too far.

Speaker 2 And blah, blah, I'm like, no, you got to root this shit out. It needs to be gone.
Like, there's too many things. Because, like you said, it is an ideology.

Speaker 2 So it's harder to kind of change the minds of people who have been indoctrinated with this in colleges and schools. But get it out of the institutions.

Speaker 2 Saying that you, like, that there should be male or female on a passport is not like that shouldn't be something that's fucking mind-blowing.

Speaker 1 Did you see that DNC meeting where they were talking about gender rules? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 But this is what I mean.

Speaker 1 They can't even do their own math.

Speaker 1 They're trying to figure out: like, we have one non-binary and one

Speaker 1 identifies as male. We have to have two identify as this.

Speaker 2 It's frustrating to someone who came from the left. All of this was left-wing stuff.
Like, we wanted on the left accountability. We wanted to look into the budget.

Speaker 2 At some point in the 90s, that was something that was pretty standard and popular, bipartisan to like not want to be a trillion dollars in debt and have your dollar devalued.

Speaker 2 And then you're like, oh, surely they're going to learn from this election. And then you see the DNC chair nominations.

Speaker 2 They have a parade of like basically nonsensical land acknowledgements, what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 Land acknowledgements.

Speaker 2 Land acknowledgements are my favorite two.

Speaker 2 And then elect two basic bitch white boys. Yeah.

Speaker 2 David Hogg. Yeah.

Speaker 2 This is what you've learned from.

Speaker 1 Also, if you don't want the male vote, that's the guy.

Speaker 1 When that guy has his arm up in the air, his arm literally looks like that ancient guru that keeps his one arm in the air for like 80 years and his arm is shriveled up into the stick.

Speaker 1 That's what it looks like. He's like, fight.
Like, bro, you're not fighting shit. This is so crazy.

Speaker 2 I know. I love how they're like, we lost the male vote.
We need to do some reflection. And then

Speaker 2 this is what I don't understand.

Speaker 2 I don't get it.

Speaker 2 It feels strange to me.

Speaker 2 That feels like I feel like you would have learned from this election. You had, because the other thing that they're doing is saying this is an unelected shadow government running.

Speaker 2 I'm like, who the fuck do you think was running the government for the last four years when we had Pudding Brain in there?

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 2 it wasn't him. We all knew that.
He couldn't even do...

Speaker 2 like field questions until he was pumped with drugs after a certain

Speaker 2 like

Speaker 2 what how can you say Elon's pretty transparent? You know, he's not like hiding things. He's trying to shine light on.
It's just not their side.

Speaker 1 So their side is good. Not their side is bad.

Speaker 1 Which is why they're not looking at this. You don't.

Speaker 1 It has to crumble. You have to watch these people implode.
They have to double down. It has to get worse.
And then more people have to abandon them to the point where someone has to rise.

Speaker 1 And it'll have to be a young person.

Speaker 1 And that young person will have to be a sensible person who actually is like a real progressive, who recognizes that there's a lot of fucking actual corruption and and real problems with the system and then there could be a lot more social programs that would help people that would make the whole world a better place and those people have to rise and they have to be not ideologically captured they have to be reasonable intelligent people the problem is everybody comes out of universities and all these universities are captured right all these universities are filled with these radical ideologies that people are indoctrinated in.

Speaker 1 You leave your parents. You don't want to fuck my parents.
They're fucking, my parents are fascists.

Speaker 1 And then all of a sudden you're in school and you're like, yeah, there's 80 genders and you're fucking out of your mind.

Speaker 1 And then it takes years of living in the real world before it comes back around where you go, hey, you know what? This is actually bullshit.

Speaker 1 So it's like a process that has to take place.

Speaker 2 But do you think they're still being taught this? Yes. So it's.

Speaker 1 It's unquestionably, without a doubt, they are being taught this.

Speaker 2 Because so much of DEI and all the stuff that they're dismantling is basically an entire industry that was created for all of these people with these useless degrees and nonsense education to have a job.

Speaker 1 And they got all the way to Harvard, the top of Harvard. Yeah.
Yeah, which is wild as a plagiarist. Got to be the president of Harvard.
It didn't matter if it made sense.

Speaker 1 It mattered if it felt, if it fit the narrative.

Speaker 2 I think this election, too, was, I was like, oh, I don't know, this could go badly when I put out that, like, you know, like, I put out that I was voting. I'm like, well,

Speaker 2 like, I could whatever

Speaker 2 I maybe

Speaker 2 but I had to be honest but I still I mean one of the clips that like came from the show is when we were talking about there being a red wave and it was right before the midterms and people for years were like oh guess you were wrong about that and it's like we weren't really wrong we were perceiving something that was happening i think it just happened in the general it didn't happen in the midterms You had people who, like, people were still coming out of COVID.

Speaker 1 None of those people vote in the midterms.

Speaker 2 And you had people like trying to get their lives back together after being locked up for two years or whatever. They were just like stumbling out of the COVID years.
Their kids couldn't talk.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we were right.

Speaker 1 We're defending ourselves. We were right.
We were just a little off in timeline.

Speaker 2 No, we were wrong about that for sure. But I do think.

Speaker 1 But we were right about the general. Well, I think that red wave happened.

Speaker 2 It's been something I think like

Speaker 2 for all the shit that lots of people get,

Speaker 2 there has been like wave after wave after wave of people leaving the Democratic Party. You know, I'm still seeing it online.

Speaker 2 Someone just yesterday posted some video and it was like, I'm done with you. I was like, how are you guys still shedding people?

Speaker 1 How are you still? They're going to keep shedding people.

Speaker 1 This isn't, they're not going to correct course. This is a, this is a, you know, this is a buffalo drop.
Do you know those buffalo jumps? No. You know what those?

Speaker 1 The Native Americans used to, one of the ways to hunt buffalo was to get them to the edge of a cliff and just run at them, and they'd just fall off the edge of the cliff, and then people would be waiting on the bottom.

Speaker 1 They'd butcher them and eat them. Okay.

Speaker 1 We're in that pile of buffalo.

Speaker 1 We're all being run off the cliff. Yeah, they're going to go off the cliff.
There's no way they're not. They're not course correcting at all.
You know, they're saying stupid shit.

Speaker 1 It's all nonsense.

Speaker 1 Like, their understanding of of social media and the dynamics that you set up by having completely state-controlled mainstream media where they only said the narratives that you guys wanted.

Speaker 1 They all said it in step. So you could watch different programs repeat the exact same words, exact same phrases.
We know they got talking points. We don't trust you anymore.

Speaker 1 We don't trust the New York Times. We don't trust the Washington Post.
We don't trust CNN or any of the MSNBC, but they're all full with propaganda.

Speaker 1 And so that's why the internet rose. It's not because there was some sort of a fucking right-wing conspiracy and heavily funded.
No, you guys suck. You guys fucking suck.
And you're not real people.

Speaker 1 And you're not like, nobody wants to hang out with Brian Stelter. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 None of these fucking people are people that people can actually relate to and like.

Speaker 2 So much of it was bullshit, too. Like, I didn't really understand media when I first came into media.
I'd always been like in Hollywood and comedy and then ended up in media.

Speaker 2 One of the first parties I was ever exposed to, it was like the height of a lot of this, like 2018, and it was very divided. And people were in true, like, oh, Trump is like going to ruin the world.

Speaker 2 And there was a Daily Beast party, and Ann Coulter was there, and like, people were all just hanging out. I'm like, these people don't fucking believe anything they're saying.

Speaker 2 I mean, Ann probably does, but these guys don't. Like, how?

Speaker 2 And then I would see this over and over again where people would fight and then they'd get off and they'd like I'll be like see you at the play date you know and it's like oh you know right there was like something very strange to me about that where someone remember that old cartoon where there was the sheepdog and the coyote yeah and they would say hi to each other in the morning and punch in and then they would fuck each other up all day yeah that's how it felt that's exactly

Speaker 2 That's exactly how it felt.

Speaker 1 Well, that's what it's really like. It's pro wrestling.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, I mean, that's one of the things that Kamala Harris said after her debate with Joe Biden, where she, she called, she believed Joe Biden's accuser, that, you know, he had sexually assaulted some woman.

Speaker 1 Remember that? She said she believed it, this and that. And then they asked her about it on Colbert.
She's like, it was a debate.

Speaker 1 It was a debate. And they're laughing, of course.

Speaker 1 It's just a debate. Now you're his fucking vice president.
This is so nuts. So you said you think the guy's a rapist and now you think he's awesome to run the country and you're so proud proud of him.

Speaker 1 We did it, Joe. Like this is crazy.
Like

Speaker 1 we can't trust you if you're willing to do that for a debate.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Your debate should be what you really think. You should say, I don't know what happened.

Speaker 1 I don't know what happened. It's a very troubling accusation, but of course I don't know what happened.

Speaker 1 For you to say that you believe it just because you want to win, now all of a sudden I have to say, well, I don't know if I can trust you about foreign policy.

Speaker 1 I don't know if I can trust you about the economy. I don't know if I can trust you about censorship and the need for a social credit score, all these different things.

Speaker 1 What is the real person behind these actions?

Speaker 1 Are you entirely motivated by money and influence? Because that seems like a lot of them.

Speaker 2 It's upsetting to me, though, because even though it's like

Speaker 2 we can see it's like wrestling, and some of these people are full of shit and they're all buddies and whatever, like hanging out at Park City or hanging out wherever they hang out, like the real people are, I see how like broken some of the Elon thing recently really, it was like a whole new wave of people who were like, I don't know if I can talk to you.

Speaker 2 I've managed to survive like eight years of the culture war, still maintaining pretty okay relationships with even the most staunch liberals in my life.

Speaker 2 And the Elon thing, for some reason, you know, the hand gesture.

Speaker 1 Oh, the Hitler thing? Yeah.

Speaker 2 It like put people over the edge and they were like, I can't, I don't know if I can, you know, be friends with a Nazi apologist. And like, I'm like,

Speaker 2 how have I made it this far? But I legitimately feel bad because the media has told these people that there was lit, this was literally Hitler for many, many years.

Speaker 2 And then he's up there shaking hands with Obama. There's, you know, Joe Biden.
They're all up there. It's a peaceful transfer of power.
Like, if this... Have you seen the common one?

Speaker 2 They're very confused.

Speaker 1 Have you seen the common one doing the Heil Hitler?

Speaker 2 No. You haven't seen it?

Speaker 1 I'll send it to you, Jamie. If you haven't seen it,

Speaker 1 it's look, a a lot of people do that gesture. That gesture is from my heart to you.

Speaker 1 That's what it is. It's just you really shouldn't do that if you are,

Speaker 1 you know, if you're standing on a stage and you have an angry look in your face.

Speaker 2 I was joking, too. Like, what if it was just this kind of autism and he did it, and then in his brain, he's like, oh shit, that looked like a Nazi salute.
And then he did it.

Speaker 2 Like, if I do it again, then it won't. And then it's just this cascading freak out.
And he's like, from my heart, I love you.

Speaker 1 Boy, Apple made it like real weird finding things now.

Speaker 1 They keep messing with this fucking interface you're like i can't i can't search kamala nazi salute on apple anymore i have it and i know it's good let me find it you fuckheads i haven't seen it oh it's wonderful because usually it's just a picture and then they show the context and it's not really actually that no no no this is great of course it's not that Of course the context is not that, but here, this is this is, I'm sorry, this is AOC.

Speaker 1 Oh, have you seen this one?

Speaker 2 I haven't seen this one.

Speaker 1 Give me the volume.

Speaker 1 Everybody does that move. Everybody does.
Jim Walsh did that move. Yeah.
Kamala Harris did that move. They all did that move.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I mean, when you're announcing people to a stage.

Speaker 1 Thank you. Thank you.
I love you.

Speaker 2 But here's the problem when you're, I just wrote a column about this.

Speaker 2 Like, when, when it it is the boy who cries Nazi, you know, the nerds who cry Nazi for all these years, like, it does end up running cover for Nazis.

Speaker 1 Oh, 100%.

Speaker 1 100%.

Speaker 1 That's part of the real problem. There was one actual real Nazi that I was following for a while on

Speaker 1 Twitter. I didn't even have to follow them.
I clicked on their links a bunch of times, and then it just started showing up in my feed. I'm like, okay, good.
Now I don't have to follow you. Right.

Speaker 1 I could see this insanity. Right.

Speaker 2 It was crazy. Well, that's why I love free speech because you're like, I would rather see this.

Speaker 1 Look, X has porn, hardcore porn. Oh, I know.

Speaker 2 I mean, it has everything. You have to watch it on X now because you can't watch it on.

Speaker 1 You can't get a porn hub. No.

Speaker 1 It's all very weird. Thank you, Elon.
It's all very, very, very weird. No, it is.
It's a very, very strange time for people to try to figure out what's real and what's not.

Speaker 1 And you're not going to get a good roadmap from your leaders. You're just not.

Speaker 2 And I don't think like it's, we're not, like, I've been joking, like, we are the fake news now.

Speaker 1 You know, yeah, we said that today because what did they post? That was the video, right?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, there was a new fake video. Yeah, you're we are the fake news now.

Speaker 2 Because I mean,

Speaker 2 we're just in, as, as susceptible to sharing stuff that's not true. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 I think there's a big difference between a massive organization being influenced with talking points by a government and corporations to s present something versus an idiot sharing, you know,

Speaker 2 propaganda without knowing it.

Speaker 2 But we, I do, I do wonder, like, how you, how you have, you know, I was talking to someone, like, is there a way to, I think you have to just like pause, you know, I assume everything is fake.

Speaker 2 That's my default. I think you start from there and then you try and do your detective work.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I, this is my thing. Oh my God, is that real? That doesn't seem real.
No. Let me see if that's real.
And then I check. Yeah, you see, but that's something over time.

Speaker 1 Before, when I was younger, I'd be like, I want that to be real. So that's got to be real.
Right. Right.
That's a problem.

Speaker 2 Well, that's how my husband kind of taught me to evaluate everything that I get from the media.

Speaker 2 He's like,

Speaker 2 I look at something and I go, do I want this to be real or not real? And if so, why?

Speaker 1 Yes, that's right.

Speaker 2 Like, if you start there,

Speaker 2 you have a chance.

Speaker 1 That's me with UFOs.

Speaker 1 That's my whole UFO take, because I clearly want them to be real so badly. I want them to be real so badly.

Speaker 1 I want them to be real so bad. But

Speaker 1 the more I fucking look into it, the more I don't believe.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 I think a lot of it is horseshit. A lot of it.
But also, maybe some of it's real.

Speaker 2 It's so

Speaker 2 unsettling to think that we're the only things out there for me that I wanted to. It's like that can't be surely

Speaker 1 it doesn't seem like it even makes sense that that's true so I don't think that that's true but I I do not know if we've been visited but I think a lot of it is bullshit I think it's not just bullshit I think it's probably government coordinated bullshit I think there's probably sightings that are mass psyops where they're trying to see how people react to things.

Speaker 1 I think there's probably crafts that the United States is in possession of that absolutely look like UFOs.

Speaker 1 I think there's probably propulsion systems that they use for drones that are infinitely more advanced than we currently think the state of the art is. Right.

Speaker 2 And so they'd say, oh, it's UFO and it's really their technology.

Speaker 1 But that doesn't account for the sightings that occurred when it was impossible for that technology to exist. Right.

Speaker 1 That doesn't take you back to like 1950s with Kenneth Arnold where he saw those flying discs moving through the sky, which is where the term flying saucer came from, because it was like saucer skipping across a lake.

Speaker 2 And what about all the people kind of all over the world who have experienced like a similar thing? And why do all the drawings always look the same? Is that just collective conscious?

Speaker 2 People have seen one and then they think that, or is it, you know how they always look like aliens?

Speaker 1 There's a lot of possibilities. And another possibility is that the world's not real.

Speaker 2 And we're in a simulation.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that there's something...

Speaker 1 Maybe not, maybe saying the world's not real is not the best way to put it.

Speaker 2 It makes me so like, I want to crawl out of my skin.

Speaker 1 Maybe the best way to put it is that it's not real the way we think it's real. Like, there's real consequences to your actions.

Speaker 1 There's real physical laws that exist in the experience that you're having as a conscious creature moving through this world. But this world's not totally solid all the time.

Speaker 1 It's solid when you interact with it.

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Speaker 1 There might be intertwined realities that are constantly experiencing itself over and over and over again.

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Speaker 1 They're happening simultaneously

Speaker 1 with the actual creation of an artificial reality.

Speaker 2 It seems

Speaker 2 so real.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it all seems so real, but it also seems fake, right?

Speaker 2 There's so much.

Speaker 1 I'm sure you know the whole Baron Trump story, you know,

Speaker 1 the ancient books that talked about a guy named Elon is going to go to Mars. No.
You never saw about that? No.

Speaker 1 It is so crazy that even Elon saw that. It was like, is this real? Like, how is this real? Was it from 1853?

Speaker 2 Why does this have to do with Baron Trump?

Speaker 1 Because it's about a guy named Baron Trump, and his guru is named Don. Yeah.
Oh,

Speaker 1 yeah, yeah. I feel like I saw something like this, and I was like, Baron Trump's Marvelous Underground Journey.

Speaker 2 What is this? It's like an old book.

Speaker 1 It's a book from.

Speaker 2 Who wrote it?

Speaker 1 It is from 1893.

Speaker 1 Nearly forgotten.

Speaker 1 Baron Trump's Marvelous Underground Journey blends a science fiction and fantasy in a story told by little Baron Trump, an aristocrat boy, there you go, that's what he is, who sets out from Castle Trump, which is where he lives, to discover a world within a world that he read about in a 15th century manuscript.

Speaker 1 Celebrated thinker in philosophy, he learned Spaniard Don from. Dawn, Don, his guy, Don, yeah.

Speaker 1 Joined Baron Trump and his faithful dog and companion, Bulger. They set off at northern Russia in search of portals, so subterranean.

Speaker 1 But there's also the other thing, they go back to castle trump there's the other thing about werner von braun so werner von braun who was the head of nasa wrote a novel a fictional novel about a guy named elon that takes us to mars

Speaker 1 yeah so there's like parts of reality that don't seem real yeah they seem

Speaker 1 like like a like a wink, like an Easter egg, like someone is like winking at you

Speaker 1 through the simulation.

Speaker 2 I'm just like an extra in the simulation.

Speaker 1 You're a part of it, it's your version of it that you're going through. You are, you are

Speaker 1 the person who's experiencing your world. I just don't know if your world and my world are exactly the same, right? I think

Speaker 1 they're bubbles. I think they're bubbles, and I think the way you interface with the world changes

Speaker 1 what your bubble consists of.

Speaker 1 Okay,

Speaker 1 yeah, and I think it's all very

Speaker 1 weird. I don't think it's as simple as that rancher lady thinks when she gets up and feeds her chickens.
I think that's her world. Right.
That's her world.

Speaker 1 But I think the universe itself and how we interact consciously with it and all the things around us, I think it's squirrely.

Speaker 1 I think it's real squirrely. And I think every now and then the universe shows us something like this fucking Werner von Braun book.
where you go, what?

Speaker 1 Even the name Elon and Mars. Like, what are the fucking odds? And then it turns out that Elon was actually named by his father when his father read that book.
Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 Which is even, but no, even crazier.

Speaker 1 What is the odds? Your son's going to be the guy who goes to fucking Mars.

Speaker 2 My daughter is obsessed with Mars. And we always know all the planets.
And it's weird. I have no obsession with Mars, but she's obsessed with the stars, the planets.
She can point them out at night.

Speaker 2 She's like, that's Jupiter. That's Mars.
Blah, blah, blah. And we asked her one day, we said, where do which planet do humans live on? And she said, Earth and Mars.
And I was like, maybe.

Speaker 1 Well, you saw the square. Yeah.
That square on Mars from

Speaker 1 Earth.

Speaker 2 Yes, that's real. That's a real.

Speaker 1 That's a real image. It's a real satellite image of Mars where you see a square structure.
By the way, it's right down the street. It's like a hike away from Sidonia, the face on Mars.

Speaker 1 So it's a hike away from that thing that they saw from the, oh God, I want to say it was like the 1970s.

Speaker 1 They sent a satellite to Mars to take photographs of the surface, and they saw this thing that looked like a face.

Speaker 1 The face on Mars, though, it seems like what that is, is just light with shitty resolution, and it looked like a face. What's interesting more about the face on Mars, so that's the original image.

Speaker 1 Okay. See, the problem with that is, it's just, it's not clear enough.
It could be anything. Yeah.
Now,

Speaker 1 go to the modern images of the face on Mars. You can see them right there.
It's right below. See the slat right there where you just were to to the right.
To the right. Yeah, right there.

Speaker 1 Click on that. So that's what it actually looks like.
Okay. So you could see how that just looks like a mountain.
Yeah. But what's interesting is the shape of it.
The shape of it is weird.

Speaker 1 How it curves at the bottom and it's kind of equal-sided and it goes up to the top and it has right-angle turns.

Speaker 1 So that image of what that thing is, where that's located, is just a small hike away from this immense square that they've discovered. That's 200.

Speaker 1 They don't know exactly how big it is, but the rough estimate is somewhere around 200 meters across.

Speaker 2 What do they think it is?

Speaker 1 It's a structure. That's what I think it is.
I don't think it can be anything other than a structure. What does Elon think it is?

Speaker 1 He thought it was wild.

Speaker 2 Has he commented on it?

Speaker 1 I mean, I sent him a text message. I said, imagine if you go up there and you find evidence of a previous civilization.
He's like, that is fucking wild. It's wild because that's a real square.

Speaker 2 What the? Yeah, that just doesn't seem like that would exist.

Speaker 1 It doesn't seem like it's possible. It doesn't seem like it's possible for it to be a perfect square.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 I thought this was fake.

Speaker 1 No, no, no. No, it's real.
It's real. It's very disturbing because that's a fairly high-resolution image.

Speaker 1 And Elon has backed a mission to Mars to go and check that out. They want to check it out.
See, there's an article right there from the Daily Mail, Elon backs Mission to Mars,

Speaker 1 where he wants to send something up there to check it out.

Speaker 1 If you see these images,

Speaker 1 I don't think there's a chance in hell that that's not made by someone.

Speaker 2 That seems very strange.

Speaker 1 I don't think that nature makes a square. No.

Speaker 1 I mean... Is that a rectangle or a square? I mean, what are the...
It looks like... Is it perfectly square? It might be slightly off.

Speaker 1 Whatever it is, it's four right-angle turns that have equal length.

Speaker 2 Conspiracy theorists have likened the structure of the Great Pyramid in Egypt.

Speaker 1 Conspiracy theorists is a nice way to put it.

Speaker 1 How about just people looking at it going, what the fuck is that?

Speaker 2 You know, why do they always call them conspiracy theorists? Because they're assholes.

Speaker 1 They're assholes, and they work for the Daily Mail.

Speaker 1 So it's right down the street from that area.

Speaker 2 And what do they think the face is? Just like a giant stuck in the

Speaker 2 Martian surface?

Speaker 1 I don't think anybody really thinks it's a face anymore.

Speaker 1 If you scroll up and look at that image from July 1976, that image, what's interesting to me is not the face, because I don't think it's a face.

Speaker 1 But what's interesting to me is the shape of the base of it. The shape of the base of it is weird.
It's flat on the bottom, equal-sided, and domed on the top. It looks unnatural.

Speaker 1 It doesn't mean it's unnatural. There's a lot of shit that looks unnatural in nature that is actually natural, but not squares.
That giant square where it looks like building

Speaker 2 a civilization there.

Speaker 1 Yes. Well, the thing is, Mars had a real atmosphere.

Speaker 1 Mars has liquid water. Right.
We know it does. And at one point in time, they think that Mars was capable of sustaining life.

Speaker 1 So if you imagine planets over time get further and further away from the sun,

Speaker 1 if you go back a billion years, how much closer was Mars to the sun? And what was the temperature like? What was the atmosphere like? Yeah.

Speaker 1 There's people that believe that the initial civilization escaped Mars and came to Earth. Oh.

Speaker 2 What about the moons of Jupiter?

Speaker 1 Well, there's one.

Speaker 2 Europa or something?

Speaker 1 Yeah, Europa that's solid ice. And they think underneath that, well, the surface is solid ice.
And they think underneath that is liquid water.

Speaker 1 and liquid water is capable of supporting life so that it's possible especially when you see like those thermal vents that they find the bottom of the ocean that sustain some form of life there might be some form of life inside the oceans of Europa are you joking about all this stuff no no I'm not joking about Mars that image it sounds like no I mean like are you joking about it on stage are you

Speaker 1 I used to I used to have this whole bit about Mars but there's places in America that you can't live to like go to Death Valley look around sucks right no one lives here like that's because it sucks Get out of here.

Speaker 1 You don't, if you're not going to fix that, and you're going to go fix Mars. I mean, I have no choice.
Planet has no air.

Speaker 2 Yeah, no, it's not appealing to me at all. Some people, you watch these documentaries, and they're like, I think of Mars like my second home, and I want to go live there.

Speaker 2 I'm like, it's not a bad thing.

Speaker 1 I also think they're a cat. I'm also, I'm, I'm also a fox kin.

Speaker 2 Space just feels claustrophobic to me, even though it's vast and like until you can build things that make it feel a little more like

Speaker 2 I just am like, I don't want to get in a tube and like go live in a do you watch silo?

Speaker 1 No, I haven't watched that. I love silo.

Speaker 2 I love anything that's like post-apocalyptic show where people are living in in a in a wasteland or in some weird and they're underground and all these silos and they all have to live and there's people at the bottom.

Speaker 2 And it's really but it's like definitely like they've never seen the sun. They've never seen the sky.
You know, it's like they've had an alternate history that's been kind of told to them.

Speaker 1 Jesus. Yeah.
Yeah, that's all possible.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's like a post-nuclear world, like when the AI gets smart and nukes us all.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but how are we going to get vitamin D down there? It's not good.

Speaker 2 They have like plants and trees.

Speaker 1 Vitamin D from plants.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 I don't know. Do you, are you, now that you, like, burned the boat and all of your stuff, are you just kind of having fun rebuilding? What do you mean?

Speaker 2 Like, you, now that you just like did all your material.

Speaker 1 Oh stand-up wise? Yeah. Just having fun.
Yeah. Just trying to come up with a new hour and fucking around.

Speaker 2 It's so fun.

Speaker 1 It's uh you know it's a weird time for comedy. Do you think?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, it's a really good time for comedy.

Speaker 2 Well yeah, I feel like it's a great time.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's so much information. But it's a weird time too, because you know like the the center of comedy is now moved to Texas.
That's awesome. So that's weird.
That's a crazy thing. That's weird.

Speaker 1 And it's also moved online, which is also a crazy thing. Like the main promotional aspect of comedy is now online.

Speaker 2 I heard Jessel Neck talking about this about being like a Clips comic. Like he was, he was, I saw a clip of him going around talking about being a Clips comic and how ironic.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's very meta.

Speaker 2 It was, but he was talking about how before people would recognize him like in the old ways and now people recognize it's like a different, he said it's like a different level of fame from when he was famous before just for stand-up now he's like the clips guy but i think like everyone's that's like everyone right it's just a different medium it's all it is i've talked to

Speaker 2 i mean it's no different than you being on some comedy central show it's just way more impactful i've talked to a lot of people about how the like uh videos the the you know the like crowd work videos have changed crowds.

Speaker 1 Oh, because now

Speaker 2 crowds think they're helping you by chiming in. And so it's like actually most, because it's some crazy percentage of people who have never been to a comedy show at a comedy show.

Speaker 2 Like a very high percentage of people have never been to a comedy show at every comedy show. It's not weird.
It's like quite high.

Speaker 1 Interesting, right? So they're accustomed to seeing like

Speaker 2 the crowd work stuff.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And so they think they're actually helping you by heckling so that you can get your...

Speaker 1 I don't think they think they're helping you. I think they want to be heard.

Speaker 2 They want to be a part of you.

Speaker 1 that's the way they get in i'm helping

Speaker 1 you just want to chime in yeah i saw some video clip of some lady losing her shit on some guy in the audience oh i saw this yeah it's very weird and everyone's like this is amazing it's not really amazing i was like it seems

Speaker 2 like uh upsetting

Speaker 1 it's also not very well handled like the whole experience is not expertly it's there's not a lot of humor in there you know people love it they're like well yeah

Speaker 2 that this is comedy. It's subjective, I guess.
Some people are like, well, that's not comedy.

Speaker 1 That's just talking, people talking.

Speaker 1 One person with a microphone and power and one person in the audience that's like challenging that and give me the microphone and it's fuck you. And, you know, it's wild, like the clips thing.

Speaker 2 The clips are like

Speaker 2 feeding the algorithm. It's freaking, it's such a crazy thing to me.

Speaker 1 Well, that's with everything, right? Clips from podcasts are way more popular than the podcasts themselves. Yeah.
So many clips go viral on, on, you know, X and you think TikTok's going to be banned?

Speaker 2 No. No.

Speaker 1 We'll keep it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I don't think so.
The fucking president uses it. I met the fucking CEO of TikTok when I was at the inauguration.

Speaker 2 What was that like?

Speaker 1 Like

Speaker 1 being in Satan's balls.

Speaker 1 Where?

Speaker 1 Just going to the actual fucking inauguration.

Speaker 1 The actual house of government, being in the actual buildings where all this stuff gets done, it's very, very strange. How long were you there? A couple days.

Speaker 2 And so you went to the, like, some of the balls, the balls.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Was it like Hunger Games? Like, what?

Speaker 1 It's like really rich and titled people that donated a lot of money. And they just jump in front of you to take pictures with you.
They don't care who you're talking to. They don't care.

Speaker 1 Everybody was like super pushy. It's all very transactional.
Everybody needs to get on your podcast and needs to talk to you about a thing. And you have to get this person.

Speaker 1 It's like everything's exhausting, and everybody's wealthy.

Speaker 1 And they're also, they spent a lot of money to get there. Like, a lot of those people, they donated like a million dollars.
Holy shit.

Speaker 1 So it's like tons of people, thousands of people who donated a million dollars.

Speaker 2 Just to be there. Just to be there.

Speaker 1 And they're all fucking just super enthusiastic because their team just won. Right.
You know, and it's the inauguration of the president, and Kid Rock's there, and everybody was going crazy.

Speaker 1 And it was fun for a while. It was me and Tony Hinchcliffe and Theo Vaughan and

Speaker 1 Logan Paul was there. Oh, yeah, I saw that.
And Jake Paul, and we were all having a good old time. We were laughing and having fun.
And then too many people just started swarming us.

Speaker 1 And then it was just like you're dealing with like 10,000 people in this room and you can't move. You can't go anywhere.
Right. And it got crazy.

Speaker 1 You couldn't have a conversation.

Speaker 1 You had to just try to get out of there.

Speaker 2 Was the inauguration like

Speaker 2 moving? Was it...

Speaker 1 Did you? Fascinating.

Speaker 2 Was it weird to be part of all the

Speaker 2 pump?

Speaker 1 And oh, yeah, it was very weird.

Speaker 2 Very, were you in the main?

Speaker 1 Oh, I was on the stage. Oh, I was in the fifth row.
Oh,

Speaker 1 I was like right there. I was unaware.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I was like, looking at Lauren Sanchez's tits.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I could have thrown a pebble and hit Hillary Clinton in the head. Oh,

Speaker 1 they were right there.

Speaker 1 It was weird. It's first of all, it's weird watching like Bill Clinton walk into a room.
You're like,

Speaker 1 he's real. That's him.
Yeah. All the shit that guy's escaped and there he is right there.

Speaker 1 Hey, how you doing? Good to see you. Good.
Good to see you.

Speaker 1 Weird. It's weird.
It's weird. It's weird seeing those people and then realizing that they're

Speaker 2 whenever I'm in situations like that, I'm like, how do they, why are they letting me in here? They should know better.

Speaker 1 I thought of that a little, but, you know, it's cool. It was weird.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You don't you only get to be at one of those maybe once in your life if you're really lucky, Especially that one, which was indoors because it was insanely cold outside. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. That seems like probably better.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 For security. It was fuck outside, too.
Definitely better for security. But it was very cold outside and windy and shit.

Speaker 2 Is it weird to be like, I don't know. I was looking at all the people up there and it was just, it seems like it's so much,

Speaker 2 I don't know. It seems like it's it's just like,

Speaker 2 is everyone kissing the ring? Does it feel kind of like a you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 Is it like a, I don't know.

Speaker 2 Does it feel kind of gross or is it, was it like cool?

Speaker 1 Well, it feels strange, right? It feels strange that it's real. It also feels strange that we're standing up because there's a standing ovation every like 15 seconds.

Speaker 1 We're going to turn the Gulf of Mexico in the Gulf of America. We're all standing up.
Fuck yeah, we're going to do that.

Speaker 1 It was fun watching George Bush. George Bush was the only guy clapping.
He was having a good time. All the other presidents looked deeply disturbed.

Speaker 1 Kamala Harris had this, like, this motherfucker look on her face the entire time. Like,

Speaker 1 she sat there like this the entire time.

Speaker 2 Well, I mean, very upset. Obviously.

Speaker 1 Well, also, he's talking about how bad they sucked. And she looked right there.

Speaker 2 It's just to sit there.

Speaker 1 And she's sitting right next to Biden,

Speaker 2 who's not there.

Speaker 1 He's just gone. Yeah.
Yeah. And then behind them is

Speaker 1 Obama and George W.

Speaker 2 It's wild, man.

Speaker 2 I was like, I hope there's there's like a, you know, what's that called when there's like the extra person or whatever, the designated survivor.

Speaker 1 I'm like, yeah, because they're all a lot of people.

Speaker 2 You could really fuck America up right now.

Speaker 1 One bomb.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think they're aware of that. I think there's probably steps taken to make sure that the skies are clear.
Yeah. But it's very strange,

Speaker 1 but also kind of exciting. Because like if he really does get to do all this stuff, like if we really do see radical change, it seems like that's what's happening.

Speaker 1 And if Bobby Kennedy really does get in, and if Tulsi Gabbard really does get in, like this is a crazy time. Yeah.

Speaker 1 This is like an unprecedented cabinet of people that are kind of unified and all know each other. They're all friends.

Speaker 2 And it's also kind of bipartisan. Like RFK Jr.
brought, he brought so many people over. I know so many people who were not going to vote for Trump, but then when he kind of brought RFK Jr.

Speaker 2 over, they were like, all right.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I mean, if he's there, and Tulsi, too.
Yeah. They're, they're, they were libs.
Yeah. Yeah.
So I don't, I don't know. That, that must have been pretty.

Speaker 1 I, I, bizarre. It's bizarre.

Speaker 2 It seemed like, I was like, that must be so surreal to be there because it was surreal to watch it.

Speaker 2 Just like when you think about the fact that he nearly got killed, like the whole sequence of events that led to that moment. Yeah.
What the debate where he just like fell apart. And it

Speaker 2 just was surreal to watch. So I was wondering, like, that must be pretty bonkers to be there.

Speaker 1 And then he should have seen Biden, his face, the entire time. Like,

Speaker 1 he looked upset, like, almost looked like he was going to cry at one point in time. He looked so upset at the whole thing.
I think he thinks he could have won.

Speaker 2 Do you have any fears about it? Like, what about the Riviera?

Speaker 1 Oh, the Gaza thing? The Riviera. The Riviera of the Middle East.

Speaker 2 You did such a good impression.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I thought I could.

Speaker 1 It's,

Speaker 1 yeah. I mean, what's the alternative to that happening?

Speaker 1 They're saying no U.S. military will be there.
The United States is going to clean it up, rebuild it, give it to the Palestinians, make it safe. Oh, okay.
Get rid of Hamas.

Speaker 1 I mean, the thing is, what Palestinians want is a state. Yeah.
They want their own state, and this is like a step sort of away from that. Yeah.
Now it'll be that section of

Speaker 1 that area is now controlled by the United States.

Speaker 2 What the fuck? And Greenland.

Speaker 1 Greenland. The question is, like, what's the better option? Like, give it to Hamas? What's the better option? Give it to the Palestinians and they give it to the Islamic State? Like, who gets it?

Speaker 2 I'm not smart enough for any of that.

Speaker 1 Also, how did you let it happen in the first place?

Speaker 1 Like, how did this administration let them just bomb the fucking shit out of all those people and blow up an entire city to the point where you you could even feasibly say that you would rebuild it?

Speaker 1 Because it's not like before this had happened, if anybody had ever said the United States is going to go into

Speaker 1 Gaza and completely rebuild it and make it the United States, they'd be like, fuck you. You need to give that to Palestine.
But once you blow it up, you're like, well, I guess there's nothing left.

Speaker 1 Like, people are pushing back against it. Yeah.
A lot of people are upset, but not as upset as they would if they didn't blow it up.

Speaker 2 Oh, that's weird.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Because it's weird.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's horrible. And we've just accepted the fact that this is what Israel did.
And, you know, for 1,200 people and 250 hostages, they killed 60,000 people.

Speaker 2 Is that the actual number or is that a Hamas number?

Speaker 1 I don't know what the number is. Yeah.
What's the current number of people that are dead in Gaza right now?

Speaker 2 It's such a weird thing, too, because Israel, I feel like, has to, like, not win a war, which is a weird thing where they have to, like, they're in a position where they...

Speaker 1 They already won the war. I mean, what war? Yeah.
There's one army. There's one army and some terrorists.
It's like Bill Hicks' joke about Iraq. Like, it's only a war when there's two armies fighting.

Speaker 1 They're like, well, Bill, Iraq's the fourth largest army. He goes, yeah, well, after the top two is a huge drop-off.
He's like, the salvation army is number three.

Speaker 2 I don't want there to be war.

Speaker 2 I think most people agree on that.

Speaker 1 Of course, but also we don't live in Israel, right?

Speaker 1 We don't have to live with the iron dome because missiles are being shot into your city and you watch them explode up in the sky because your military has these rockets that shoot up in the sky and missiles and take these fucking missiles out.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think about like if it was my daughter that was like in some tunnel, I would be like,

Speaker 2 there'd be no lengths. Well, that's, you know, I know that's very

Speaker 2 selfish of me, but that is

Speaker 2 on a personal level, I'm like, I can't even imagine how I would feel in that situation as a parent.

Speaker 1 Of course. Well, that's the deepest conspiracy theory about why it happened in the first place is because Netanyahu was losing power and people were protesting against him in the streets.

Speaker 1 And what better way? to get everybody on your side than to allow an attack to take place. That's the darkest of the false flag conspiracy theories.

Speaker 2 I have a lot of people that I know who now think 9-11 was an inside job after October 7th. Oh, Jesus.
Isn't that crazy? Like that, they're like, well, if they would do it here, they would do it.

Speaker 2 Like, why wouldn't they do it in America? It's been like this kind of reverse leap.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, anytime you have a big tragedy like 9-11, you're always going to have a bunch of wild theories. But some of them are interesting.

Speaker 1 You know, like you're supposed to dismiss them all because they're conspiracy theories. But Tower 7 is like, explain that.

Speaker 2 I can't.

Speaker 2 I have people in my life who are very much like,

Speaker 2 I think, truthers, I think, about this.

Speaker 1 That's a weird one. That's a weird one.

Speaker 2 What's the conspiracy around Tower 7? Just how did it...

Speaker 1 Why did it come from?

Speaker 1 It collapses like a controlled demolition completely into its base. No building's ever done that before without being a controlled demolition.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 it doesn't have all the signature aspects of a controlled demolition. Like if you ever watch like when they blow up one of them Vegas casinos, super obvious.
It's

Speaker 1 bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. And it all collapses.
It doesn't have that. But it does have something similar in that the effect is the same.

Speaker 1 So is it possible to do that without having it the way the casinos do it? Is there only one way to have a controlled demolition of a building?

Speaker 1 Or is it possible that just immense immense diesel fires weakened the structure uniformly in such a weird way that it collapsed exactly like a controlled demolition, but it's just the result of

Speaker 1 yeah, they had diesel generators in the basement of that thing and the whole fucking inside of it was on fire.

Speaker 1 So when you see it on the outside, you're only seeing like a little bit of fire and some holes, but the entire inside of it was in flames.

Speaker 2 We're living in a simulation.

Speaker 1 Maybe that. Maybe that's another wink.
You know, maybe that's another fucking...

Speaker 2 We didn't didn't have social media, though, thank God. Right.
During that. Can you imagine?

Speaker 1 No, but we did have plenty of people that were questioning it once they saw it on television. Because you saw it on TV and you're like, what is that? Yeah.
How does it do that?

Speaker 1 Do you remember seeing that? That wasn't even hit by a plane.

Speaker 2 Do you remember seeing the skyline the first time you went to New York?

Speaker 1 Oh, without the Twin Towers? I don't think I actually saw it.

Speaker 1 I went back in 2001. I was there in 2001.
Yeah. Maybe 2002.
It was probably like a couple of months after.

Speaker 2 I took a train in November in, and because I took the train in, I always used to take the train in from Rhode Island where I was. And I was like,

Speaker 2 like the, I just, it was so jarring seeing they were so part of that.

Speaker 1 They were so huge.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and just part, you just took it for granted. That was the like landscape.
And it was,

Speaker 2 I'll never forget it. How jarring.

Speaker 1 It was always weird, too, that when they rebuilt it, they didn't make it as tall.

Speaker 2 Why didn't they?

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 It's only one building now.

Speaker 2 It's not two.

Speaker 1 I know. And it's not as tall.

Speaker 1 Like, it's pretty tall. But they didn't get crazy.
They didn't say, we're going to make the biggest fucking building the world's ever seen.

Speaker 2 It should be like a middle finger to the world.

Speaker 1 If Trump was there, he'd be like, we're going to have two buildings on the side and one right up your ass.

Speaker 1 It's like, fuck you.

Speaker 1 It looks like that.

Speaker 1 It is

Speaker 1 smaller. Smaller than the original buildings.

Speaker 2 I do wonder, like, I just, I'm so curious about what it's going to be like for our kids.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's what it looks like now. Yeah.
It's the tallest tallest building in the U.S. still, though.
Is it the tallest building in the U.S.? Yeah, but it's not as tall, right?

Speaker 1 I don't know what the height was. I think it's shorter.

Speaker 3 No, if it's shorter, then

Speaker 3 the World Trade Center wasn't the tallest building.

Speaker 1 No, not in the world. No, in the U.S.
even. Oh, it wasn't?

Speaker 3 The Sears Tower was bigger.

Speaker 1 Really?

Speaker 3 Yeah, 100%.

Speaker 1 Where's the Sears Tower? Chicago. That's taller than the World Trade Center? It was.
Whoa. Now, this is the tallest.
I didn't know that. Yeah.

Speaker 3 The Sears Tower was the tallest building in the world for a while.

Speaker 1 So the Twin Towers were taller than the Sears Tower?

Speaker 2 They were shorter.

Speaker 1 They were short.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I don't know why you're saying that, I guess.

Speaker 1 Oh, it's the same.

Speaker 1 Oh, it has the same name as the North Tower of the original. How tall is it?

Speaker 1 It is shorter, though, right? Isn't it? I don't know that. See, the Willis Tower was the tallest one.
I remember people being upset when they were rebuilding it because it wasn't going to be as tall.

Speaker 3 1776?

Speaker 1 So 110 stories was the original one, and it was the tower was 1,350 feet high. How tall is the one now? 1776.
So it's taller? Yep. Really? Yeah.
Wait a minute. Really?

Speaker 3 I don't.

Speaker 1 Can I see the image again? I don't know where else you'll be able to go with this. No, no, no.

Speaker 1 Is it because they cheat with that big pole at the top? I mean, that's 100.

Speaker 3 They do that with all of them. The other one had a big pole on top, too.

Speaker 1 But isn't that to stop lightning bolts.

Speaker 3 Some of it. Some of it's antenna stuff.

Speaker 1 Some of it's to talk to aliens. Some of it's cell phone tower.
That's

Speaker 1 okay. I'm wrong.
I thought it was shorter.

Speaker 1 Maybe it. Maybe what it was saying, they were saying is it's smaller because there's only one instead of two.

Speaker 3 The spire makes it 1776.

Speaker 1 The spire. Yeah.
How tall is that fucking spire?

Speaker 3 The video, too. I was just saying, the spire of the World Trade Center.
I never saw this. They're saying that's what made Tower 7 fall.
It made a gash.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 2 What made a gash?

Speaker 1 The spire on the tower here fell and made a gash down the side and started a fire here.

Speaker 3 I've never seen this video.

Speaker 1 Interesting.

Speaker 3 I was just looking through it to see what there was.

Speaker 1 Well, that's one thing with the video that we saw.

Speaker 1 Oh, look at that. Interesting.

Speaker 3 They have photos of what that. I don't think they have an actual video of that happening.

Speaker 1 Oh, it fell and fucked up the building. But still.

Speaker 1 Still.

Speaker 1 Why didn't it just fall into that side why does it compress into its base the way the way it collapses like i've never seen anybody adequately describe it but one thing that people should know is that the top of it collapsed before the whole thing collapsed there was the there's a piece on the top so the roof caved in first

Speaker 1 like there was like there's a smaller structure on the top of the roof that imploded and went through the base okay and then the whole thing went under so it wasn't like it all went in one shot the top of it had already collapsed and went through.

Speaker 2 God, that was at such a weird time in America. I was thinking about how

Speaker 2 like just catatonic I was on the couch recently. Just

Speaker 2 like the whole week afterwards. Right.
Just nobody.

Speaker 1 I know.

Speaker 2 Because it's weird. Like I have family members who have kids and their kids are now like they were born right around that time.
They were one, two years old. They've grown up.

Speaker 2 They don't, they don't remember kind of what it was like

Speaker 2 before that. And they, I don't know.
I feel like the world, I have a friend and he's like, everything went to shit after 9-11. Everything just got shittier.

Speaker 1 Well, everything did go to shit because that's when they passed the Patriot Act. Yeah.
And that's when the government really got its hooks into your information.

Speaker 3 Clarification here.

Speaker 3 New one, 1776, 541 meters tall.

Speaker 3 Old one with the spire. It was 1730, but was 17.

Speaker 3 or

Speaker 3 1368 without the spire.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 3 The spire adds without the antenna of the the building is 417 meters tall, so I think you were close.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 So it's not much different, though. I thought it was a lot different, like 10 stories or some shit.

Speaker 1 So it's 104 floors. And four basement floors.
And the other one was 110 floors.

Speaker 3 And I don't, yeah, how many basement floors? I don't know.

Speaker 1 Also, it's like, how tall are the floors? You know?

Speaker 1 I hope this one doesn't.

Speaker 2 Do you think this administration is going to try and get rid of the Patriot Act?

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 No. Why would they do that? I think they have those tools and power to actually,

Speaker 1 they'll use it as an excuse to go get terrorists.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but haven't we all wanted to get rid of it for a long time? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, then they have the Patriot Act too, which is even more invasive. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 But people, like, that seems like a bipartisan thing. Somebody could get behind.
Maybe.

Speaker 1 But the real neocons will come out and say that weakens us against our enemies.

Speaker 1 We need this power to be able to find terrorists and to be able to search out. I mean, that was one of the things that

Speaker 1 the Obama administration, when they passed the NDAA,

Speaker 1 you know, we're not going to do it. We're not going to just like

Speaker 1 detain people indefinitely. We wouldn't do it.
But the problem is you're giving the law, that law is now in the books, and now the next person, what if it's a psycho?

Speaker 1 And the person after that, what if it's a psycho? Right. Now you've given them power to like become a dictator and go after their political enemies, which normal people won't do, right?

Speaker 1 You guys don't do that, right?

Speaker 2 I mean, it's going to be a wild four years, I think, because I did think that like the,

Speaker 2 I figured, I figured, I thought maybe that people would understand that they were wrong and that like maybe they'd gone too far and I was

Speaker 2 and it seems like hysteria.

Speaker 1 I don't think people learn that good.

Speaker 1 I think people learn by having their lives ruined and getting really angry. Right.
And then they change course.

Speaker 1 But I think the people that are still comfortable and still working in these environments that still cling to these ideas, they're going to double down and wear a pussy hat and fucking paint their hair blue.

Speaker 1 Protest in the streets.

Speaker 2 I've passed all this. It's so weird because I was thinking about how I've now been 10 years in the culture wars, which is not I mean, I kind of stumbled into them.

Speaker 1 Are you a sergeant now? What are you? I will not.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I'm a gentle.

Speaker 2 Are you a general? I don't know what I am.

Speaker 2 I've been, but it has been a weird decade to be.

Speaker 2 I didn't want to. I was, I think so many normies are like me.
They just got kind of forced into

Speaker 2 being in them. It wasn't like I wanted to, I was like a drunk waitress who just wanted to tell jokes.
Yeah. That, and then I started writing for Playboy, and next thing I know,

Speaker 2 I'm

Speaker 2 voting for Trump.

Speaker 1 Well, you know, as a drunk waitress, you just, you're one of us. You're a human.
And humans, there's a lot of people that have opinions and ideas on things.

Speaker 1 They're just not good at articulating it, or they never learned how to articulate it. But everybody does what we do, or everybody can do what we do.
They do it with their friends.

Speaker 1 They talk with their friends. Yeah.
They bullshit about stuff. And, you know, it's just a process of

Speaker 2 putting it out there. We've had, we've, I've had some weird YouTube strikes that I'd say, yes, it's easy to do, except I've had to play 10 years of a game of like outrunning sensors and like Patreon.

Speaker 2 Okay, we're there. And then we've got to get off there because I don't want to put all my eggs in that basket in case they go bonkers and shut it down.

Speaker 2 And then I feel like you're like a lot of people in this space have been for like a decade out. You know, we're like, how are we going to?

Speaker 2 We got like the dumbest strike on an old ad of ours, and it was some, something that we said, and then you have to go to like, you know, like, you've got to go to like class and get re-educated.

Speaker 1 Jamie got re-educated. Didn't you, Jamie? You feel better right now, right? What? You feel smarter? Now you got re-educated.

Speaker 2 What did you get re-educated for? Which part of YouTube?

Speaker 1 You got re-educated. Sure, I guess.
Didn't you when we had a strike? You had to do the little classes. That's what we're talking about.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 He's like, what re-education?

Speaker 1 He got re-educated. He's different.
He's far.

Speaker 1 He's better now. Because we told factual information about COVID-19.

Speaker 2 And so you got a strike?

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was because it was like a long time ago.

Speaker 2 Oh, but ours is weird because it was

Speaker 2 a very old episode, so they must be like trolling.

Speaker 1 I don't know what they're doing. They're probably just using their algorithm and going after everything.

Speaker 2 Ours literally, we said, think for yourself and come to your own conclusions. Oh, that's dangerous.
That was the ad read. It wasn't even ours on our podcast.

Speaker 2 It was an ad read we were doing for someone else's podcast.

Speaker 1 Shouldn't give that advice out.

Speaker 1 People shouldn't be doing that.

Speaker 2 But this is why it's hard for people to just like say what they want.

Speaker 1 Well, what do you think is going to happen when you're looking at all this crazy shit right now with Doge and the uncovering of U.S.

Speaker 1 aid and this dismantling of this bizarre left-wing ecosystem that's pretty much manufactured? Like,

Speaker 1 what do you see is going to happen with the rest of the country?

Speaker 2 I mean, look, there are a lot of people who did not vote for Trump. You know, he won, and yes, he won every swing state.

Speaker 1 Half the country is a lot of people.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's a lot of people. So, and I'm not sure how many of them, I wonder how many, so I have a couple questions.
How many people didn't vote for Trump and wanted to and are secretly glad he won?

Speaker 2 I bet there's a pretty significant number of those people who either didn't vote or didn't vote for him, but wanted him to win anyway.

Speaker 1 Ari says that. Ari says that New York City is like relaxed.
Yeah. It's like everybody was relaxed after the election.
Like even the liberals are like, yeah, thank God.

Speaker 2 They're like, woo.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like, thank you, God, you saved me from myself.

Speaker 2 Yeah, exactly. Because it's God doing for us what we can't do for ourselves.
Yeah, so there's that, I wonder. But then I do wonder how many of the people are.

Speaker 2 What I worry about is how much mental, this is where I get mad at the media for presenting this, like,

Speaker 2 this is Hitler. We're having it notched up to 11 for the past eight years.

Speaker 2 And now you've got this, because he was put in, it's almost like that, that

Speaker 2 energy has been transferred to Elon now. Because now, do you see the Elon protests? They're protesting Elon.
They're literally standing out there with signs that say, arrest Elon Musk.

Speaker 1 Listen, I guarantee it's organized. I guarantee it's organized by the same people that are going to lose a shitload of money based on all these discoveries at Doge.
There's no way they're not.

Speaker 1 If you look at what Doge is uncovering, what they're uncovering with this USAID stuff, a lot of that stuff was organizing through NGOs protests. They organized the attempt at getting Trump impeached.

Speaker 1 I thought you were going to say Kelly. They organized the impeachment.

Speaker 1 They also spent, USAID spent $50 million

Speaker 1 on the lab that invented coronavirus. Right.
Yeah, there's a lot of money involved in this not working.

Speaker 1 And when you have a lot of money involved, you're going to have organized protests. When you see protests, we all want to think protests like the 1960s.
Yeah, fight the war, man.

Speaker 1 It's like organic, like peace, love, and hippie shit. But that's not what this is.

Speaker 1 What this is, is organized, funded protests where someone is spending a lot of money and they're mobilizing other NGOs.

Speaker 1 They're using their access to these mailing lists and all these different things. They're putting these things together.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but do you think that the average liberal person, do you think that they're going to wake up and come around? Or do you think that they're going to be in like agony for four years and be

Speaker 1 what if it works?

Speaker 1 Like, what if the world gets safer, the country gets safer, the economy improves, and they don't attack civil rights, women's rights, gay rights, all these things that everybody's worried about.

Speaker 1 And then at the end of it, you realize, like, hey, maybe I was wrong.

Speaker 2 I mean, that's my question, though.

Speaker 2 Are they capable of that kind of self-reflection?

Speaker 1 Well, we're saying they as if it's like one different,

Speaker 1 like one kind of person.

Speaker 2 No, I mean.

Speaker 1 There's so many different people people in they.

Speaker 2 Agreed. I mean, when I say they, I mean people who are

Speaker 2 have bought into the idea that this person is going to make everything worse and we're going to slip into a fascist technocracy.

Speaker 1 Some of them.

Speaker 1 Some of them are going to slip right into it. Some of them are going to wake up and come around.
You know, it's a test. It's a test of character.
It's a test of objectivity.

Speaker 1 It's a test of introspection. There's a lot of things that are going to happen where people people are going to have to wonder, like, what was I rooting for?

Speaker 1 When I was rooting for this progressive liberal government, what was I actually rooting for? Was I rooting for warmongers who were making insane amounts of profit by funding overseas wars? Yeah.

Speaker 1 What was I rooting for? Was I rooting for a basic theft of our tax dollars that's gone to all these completely useless endeavors that were only set up as ways to pilfer money?

Speaker 2 Or the fall of America. You know, this is a weird thing to like hate your own country so much that you want it to

Speaker 2 fall. Or the dismantling of the life, the kind of West as we know it.
You know, I think

Speaker 2 there is a feeling that Elon

Speaker 2 might have

Speaker 2 saved the West.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I feel like at least he's trying to.

Speaker 1 I think he did. I think he did, but just by buying X.

Speaker 2 But isn't it funny that he got forced into it? I think there's like something kind of ironic.

Speaker 1 It's funny because he was trying to get it at a lower price because he knew that they were bullshitting about the amount of bots.

Speaker 2 Well, and then they came out yesterday and now it's profitable. Yeah.
There was like a whole article about how he turned it around. Of course it's going to be profitable.

Speaker 1 He's smarter than you.

Speaker 2 He is smarter. He also knows that we are all

Speaker 1 tapped in. Oh,

Speaker 2 I can't stop it.

Speaker 2 I have it. I've always had a Twitter addiction.
It's the thing that replaced my drinking and smoking weed when I quit that. I went right to Twitter.

Speaker 2 I was like, Elon knows none of these motherfuckers, even when they go to Blue Sky, they've all got secret accounts and they're lurking on Twitter still or X still or whatever.

Speaker 1 You can't live in that echo chamber, that Blue Sky Echo Chamber. You can't even go on there and say there's only two genders.
If you go on there and say there's two genders, they ban you immediately.

Speaker 2 They were like eating themselves within two days over there, though.

Speaker 1 But that's what always happens. That's happened with Gab, too, right? Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I think some of that is not even real because I personally know comics who go on Blue Sky and just say insane leftist stuff just like the most preposterous thing like you know like maybe Duncan would do I'm not saying Duncan does it but he might do it but I know comics that do that just to see the reaction how people agree with them like insane stuff oh okay like my toddler I could tell when my toddler was trans when they were three days old and people agree with that oh yeah jump right in Don't you think we're all in echo chambers though?

Speaker 2 Like you said, how do you, how do you stay outside of yours? Drugs.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's true.

Speaker 1 No, I'm kidding. You just got to be recognize like you're thinking.
You have to have a process.

Speaker 2 What's your process?

Speaker 2 I live by the Joe Rogan School of Internetting.

Speaker 1 That is,

Speaker 2 I take all your advice. I don't read the comments and I post and ghost.
That's good. I don't like get in there and.

Speaker 1 That's good.

Speaker 1 I definitely do that. And then I think of like, what do I really think about something and why do I think about it that way? And I try to go with, is it because it's self-serving?

Speaker 1 Is it because I've said it in the past that I want to be right? Is it, what is it? You know, like, what makes me believe what I believe? Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then you have to do a deep dive and all the goddamn arguments back and forth to figure out who's right. And all the logic and the illogic.
And see people ignoring certain core facts. Like, this is

Speaker 1 the most fascinating thing about this USAID thing to me is how people on the left are completely ignoring all the rampant, obvious corruption and conflicts of interest in the government funding non-government organizations that in turn fund the government.

Speaker 1 That's so crazy. And anybody that doesn't think that's crazy, it's like, what do you love money influencing everything in your daily life?

Speaker 1 Don't you think that maybe we have a problem in that we have a huge deficit? And if part of our huge deficit, we're spending fucking billions of dollars every year on horseshit?

Speaker 2 Yeah. I mean, that is my issue with people being like, see, it is the like political thing isn't right, which is true.

Speaker 2 It's important to be accurate, but it's also like, yeah, but there's, there's, this money shouldn't be spent this way.

Speaker 2 So just because this thing is maybe not true, you're pointing to this one thing that could be people are misrepresenting, but there's a much bigger problem you seem to want to just sweep under the rug and say, oh, like you guys are just crazy for noticing all these connections.

Speaker 2 But didn't they make them stop or something? Did they freeze their abilities?

Speaker 2 Yeah. These kids are nuts.
That guy who like trans, you know, know found the scroll, how to read the scroll from Pompeii.

Speaker 1 The scrolls from Pompeii, yeah, using AI. Yeah.
Yeah. No, they're wizards.
That's the kind of people that you want digging into this stuff. And that's why Elon got them.

Speaker 1 He knows what the fuck he's doing.

Speaker 1 It's all very strange because

Speaker 1 you're dealing with so many things that are happening at the same time. You have this technology that was never available before that is allowing people to freely express themselves online, right?

Speaker 1 And then you have this maniac billionaire who buys the biggest one and makes it the Wild West again. And then you have government being exposed for what it is.

Speaker 1 So you have all these fucking NGOs, this web of, we talked about it yesterday, this web of 55,000 different NGOs that were supporting all these liberal causes that were all completely intertwined.

Speaker 1 And they had to use software to find that and to figure it out.

Speaker 1 They're finding out that this is like this complicated propaganda network that existed. Like, that's not good.
No. That's not good for anybody, left or right, because it's money.

Speaker 1 It's just money being used in a way.

Speaker 1 Not only that, here's the thing. Like, people, like, say, like, the $10 billion, it's only $10 billion.
Like, that kind of shit. What about the fucking people in Maui? Yeah.
What about that?

Speaker 1 Could have been fixed with $5 billion. The government could have said, we are going to rebuild those people's homes to the exact state and even better than where they were before.

Speaker 1 It's going to cost us $5 billion.

Speaker 1 All the money that we're sending over to Ukraine, all the money that we send to Israel, all the money we send to all these different organizations that work with U.S.

Speaker 1 aid in the tune of billions and billions and billions of dollars. They could have done that.

Speaker 1 And instead of doing that, they're telling us that what we have to do is continue to fund all these programs in all these other countries that just so conveniently have a whole staff of people that's making a great wage and their political capital is bet on all this stuff and it all is involved with in intertwined with these NGOs and all this money they're getting.

Speaker 1 And this is the thing. We have to go and help these people.
We're going to starve. They're going to do this.
They're going to do that. What about America? Yeah.
And then you have to do that.

Speaker 1 What about our tax dollars going into a safety net to help people from one of the worst wildfires in history?

Speaker 2 Or North Carolina.

Speaker 1 Or North Carolina. Yeah.
Exactly the same thing. Yeah.
Apparently, none of those people have gotten any money in North Carolina.

Speaker 2 No, and they're like sleeping in freaking tents in the freezing cold.

Speaker 1 Exactly. All that could have been addressed, too, the same way we address problems in other countries.

Speaker 1 So if you have this amazing slush fund that USAID is, and it's not being applied at all to the problems of America, why would you think people would support it?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Why would we support it with our tax dollars when we know that the country is massively in debt?

Speaker 2 Well, and it's like I appreciate that there are so many problems. I think people, I do feel like for the first time ever, there is an actual transfer of power.
Like every

Speaker 2 single election through my lifetime, it's been there's been all the normal fighting between the two parties, and then the election happens, and one party wins, and then nothing changes.

Speaker 2 And you just keep sliding and sliding and sliding and sliding, and everybody says they're going to do something, and no one does anything.

Speaker 2 And then you have fucking Elon come in like a wrecking ball, and a very motivated and Trump, who seems organized this time, and they actually feel like they're making changes.

Speaker 2 Changes that, by the way, American people want.

Speaker 1 Not the border.

Speaker 1 They fixed the border overnight. I don't know.
Overnight.

Speaker 2 My friend Max Meyer was saying, he's a very smart guy. He was saying no one with any numerical ability has ever looked into Medicare and Medicaid fraud ever.

Speaker 1 That's what they're cracking into now.

Speaker 2 There's a lot of money there that is like provider-side fraud where it's just inflated.

Speaker 1 Wasn't that Sonny Hostin's husband? Isn't he involved in a RICO lawsuit? Oh, I don't know. About insurance fraud?

Speaker 2 The View person? Uh-huh.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Oh, I have no idea.
Her husband got arrested. Oh, really? Yeah.
He's one of 200 people charged in some gigantic insurance fraud.

Speaker 2 There's a lot of that. What is that?

Speaker 1 What's the actual story behind that? I'm looking. Jamie's looking.

Speaker 2 Jamie's on it. He's on.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but there's so they can take a I mean, you know how complicated it would be to try and untangle that web of where you're inflating things that people have and you're saying this is like a band You see these things online where it's like a band-aid is $25,000, you know, like what?

Speaker 1 Someone explained that to me, too, is that when you have a budget, say if you run an organization and has a budget, you get the money from the government, and that budget's like $80 million a year, you can't spend $60 because then you're going to get $60 next year.

Speaker 1 You have to spend all $80. Right.
If you don't spend all $80, you don't get it. You got to say, we need $90,

Speaker 1 we're barely hanging on. And so you have to charge

Speaker 1 $500,000 for a hammer.

Speaker 1 And that's literally how they justify their existence.

Speaker 1 They're not in the business of being frugal and

Speaker 1 being responsible and making sure that the money is being spent competently. No, they're in the business of keeping their budget coming in.

Speaker 1 Sonny Hoston's surgeon-husband Emmanuel faces solo battle in lawsuit as co-defendants agree to settle. Oh, Jesus.
So, okay.

Speaker 1 Sonny Hoston's surgeon-husband has found himself in the hot seat in a massive lawsuit accusing nearly 200 health care providers of insurance fraud. Dr.

Speaker 1 Emmanuel Hoston defiantly called himself the victim of a frivolous smear campaign last month after he was accused of providing fraudulent medical services in exchange for kickbacks in a complaint filed by American Transit Insurance Company in December.

Speaker 1 Orthopedic surgeon now finds himself increasingly isolated after the vast majority of the defendants have now offered to settle their cases. Oh boy.

Speaker 1 According to a new court filing obtained by DailyMail.com, American Transit, which insures

Speaker 1 taxi company and Uger Lyft drivers, announced last Monday more than 141 of the 186 defendants named in the suit have agreed in principle to settle one of the largest RICO cases ever filed in New York.

Speaker 1 The papers filed by the law marketing law firm Manning Cass did not specify which defendants offered to settle. Dr.
Hostin has until February 10 to respond to the legal complaint.

Speaker 1 So it has something to do with drives from the hospital and kickbacks from

Speaker 1 all this shit.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's it's because there's so that's what they need, though, is these guys who can use this AI technology to get in there and start looking on a massive scale at what all of these

Speaker 2 everything.

Speaker 2 I mean, they have to look at everything. I think most Americans want this.

Speaker 1 So they're being accused of getting kickbacks for performing surgeries and submitting fraudulent bills. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Hosted knowingly provided, this is in quotes, knowingly provided fraudulent medical and other health care services, including orthoscopic surgeries.

Speaker 1 The lawsuit filed on December 17th claims American Transit was then billed in exchange for kickbacks and or other compensation which were disguised as dividends or other cash distributions.

Speaker 1 I don't know how they know this.

Speaker 1 So I don't want to comment on this. I don't really understand what this is.
This might be bullshit. It might be real.

Speaker 1 But I do know that doctors.

Speaker 2 But this happens all the time. I mean, maybe not this, but there's provider-side provider-side fraud that is very well known, and people have been called out for it.

Speaker 1 There's a doctor that I was just watching this whole thing on where he,

Speaker 1 I think it was 200 people he treated, it might have been more, that did not have cancer, and he gave them chemotherapy. Oh, my God.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 He falsely diagnosed them as having cancer and then treated them

Speaker 1 for cancer. Yeah, and some of them got really sick and died.

Speaker 2 Well, yeah, it's chemo.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's chemo. It's fucking killing you.
And it wrecks your health. So even if you survive it, like your body's wrecked for a long time afterwards.

Speaker 2 And did he do this just for money?

Speaker 1 For money, yeah. Oh, yeah.
And his argument was

Speaker 1 this term that they always use, you eat what you kill. And that you have to, like...
you have to have a business. You have to keep your business rolling.

Speaker 1 So his business was making sure that people thought they had cancer and then treating them for cancer. That's dark.

Speaker 1 Well, that's cancer and chemotherapy is one of those weird ones where the doctors profit off of each chemotherapy.

Speaker 2 Oh, do they? Yeah.

Speaker 1 $34 million in fraudulent.

Speaker 1 A Detroit-area hematologist, oncologist was sentenced today to serve 45 years in prison for his role in a healthcare fraud scheme that included administering medically unnecessary infusions or injections to, oh, it's 553 individual patients and submitting to Medicare and private insurance companies approximately $34 million in fraudulent claims.

Speaker 2 This is the fucking sickest thing I've ever heard. You tell these people they have cancer?

Speaker 1 I know, right?

Speaker 2 And make them get chemo. I know.
This is insane. I can't believe I've never heard of this.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 It's really crazy. It's like a decade ago.
Wow. This is fucking nuts.
How did they catch him?

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 2 That's wild.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 But no, that's so sick.

Speaker 1 I know people that have told me that they know people that have done surgeries that were unnecessary. Yeah, because

Speaker 1 they want money. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Well, that's like the whole like trans care, like, you know,

Speaker 2 a lot of people.

Speaker 1 Not just that, like, orthopedic surgeries.

Speaker 2 I've friends back surgeries and stuff.

Speaker 1 Doctors that won't let someone try stem cells, that try to deny people stem cells.

Speaker 2 So, yeah, the

Speaker 2 problem is that they do that.

Speaker 1 Well, it can help some people, but it's not the only solution. And there's other ways to fix your back.
I always tell people that you should, there's a lot of different ways to fix back issues.

Speaker 1 I've had back issues. I didn't have surgery.
I was told to have surgery. I had a bulging disc in my neck.
I was told that I had to have a dasectomy. I did not.
My neck is perfect. It works great now.

Speaker 2 How did you fix it?

Speaker 1 I did regenokine. Regenokine is

Speaker 1 like a very advanced form of platelet-rich plasma that you used to have to go to Germany to get.

Speaker 1 I remember like Peyton Manning and Kobe Bryant, those guys, they flew to Germany to get this procedure done. And Dana White did it too.

Speaker 1 And then they opened up a place in Santa Monica where you could do it in Santa Monica. And I had it done.
I had it done on my back. I had it done on my neck.
It's amazing.

Speaker 1 They take your blood, they spin it in a centrifuge.

Speaker 1 I forget what the exact process they do, and then they pull out this liquid that is the most potent anti-inflammatory inflammation drug that you could ever find. Okay.
So, this anti-inflammation drug,

Speaker 1 it's made out of your own blood, so your body doesn't reject it. Yeah.
This process that they do.

Speaker 1 And then they inject it in the areas around the discs, and the discs all settled, and they went right back into place. Wow.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So I had it done on my lower back, I had it done on my upper back, and I had it done on my neck.

Speaker 2 See, I think that this is where I'm excited about AI and stuff like that. It would be exciting to have AI cure cancer, which they think that it might be able to do.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 I saw that Larry Ellison thing. I was like, yeah, are you making money doing this?

Speaker 2 Well, obviously. I don't know if Larry is Larry Ellison saying that.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, he did. Like, why are you doing that? Are you a doctor? Don't you own Lanai? What are you doing? But I don't know.

Speaker 2 It seems like it's not outside the realm of possibility that AI would get smart enough to figure this shit out.

Speaker 1 100%. Yeah, it is possible for sure.
And it's very hopeful. But, you know, I don't know if we should be telling people that it could do that maybe in the future.

Speaker 1 So invest in my company or whatever the fuck's going on.

Speaker 2 You know, I was at this crazy boondoggle and I saw a bunch of these people talk and everybody was clapping. And I was like, this is the scariest shit I've ever heard.

Speaker 2 And I think it might have been Sam was talking Altman. And everybody was just like, yay, let's give them money.
And they all just saw money. Everyone sees money here.
And

Speaker 2 the gold hills. I mean, we're going to need to build nuclear.
We're going to need to power this shit.

Speaker 2 There's a lot of gold in those hills. And I was in the back with this guy, and I'm like, someone needs to stop it.

Speaker 1 Like, it was the beginning of a turbulence.

Speaker 2 It's going to be down my spine. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's going to happen, though.

Speaker 2 You can't stop it. No.
Unless the grid goes down, like,

Speaker 2 or something, unless there is something catastrophic, asteroid hits the Earth, whatever, which I think there might be one coming.

Speaker 2 There is,

Speaker 1 there's nothing we can do the genie's out of the bottle well not just that we have to do it because there's other people that are doing it and if they get a hold of it first it's over

Speaker 2 ah that's the race to the bottom though is it i don't know my friends i mean we all have it and it just it eventually works for humanity instead of against us but i do think that like my husband thinks that our daughter will never need to learn how to drive.

Speaker 1 Probably.

Speaker 2 He's like, she's not going to need, because I was like, she wants to drive already. She's like, when I'm five, I can drive.
I'm like, no.

Speaker 2 Having kids is the best. I hate that there was so much rhetoric that I was growing up with about like how horrible it is because it is, yeah,

Speaker 1 it's all by people who don't have kids.

Speaker 2 But it's so, it is, it, the other morning, I go downstairs and she's like, I'm like, how are you doing? She's eating her breakfast. She's like,

Speaker 2 I just need to lay low.

Speaker 1 I was like,

Speaker 2 are we hiding from the mob? What is happening?

Speaker 1 They're experimenting with newsways to talk. They're just so funny.

Speaker 2 She's like, and she just says the funniest stuff. She did a whole, my husband sent me a whole thing.
She picks up everything. They pick up everything.

Speaker 2 She was like, I'm going to mothership and you're going to go to New York. I'm like, where'd she get the New York accent front? I'm going to mothership and you're going to New York to tell jokes.

Speaker 2 She's telling him all about this. I'm like, how does she pick all this?

Speaker 2 It's the best thing in in the whole world, but yeah, he doesn't think she wants to drive. And he's like, she's not going to need to know how to drive.

Speaker 1 Well, she probably will learn how to drive, but it won't be necessary.

Speaker 1 I think

Speaker 1 they're going to make the argument that autonomous driving is way safer.

Speaker 2 But I think it probably is. Oh, it is.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I have

Speaker 1 auto-drive on my drive. It's autonomous.

Speaker 2 Yes. It can't be.
Exactly. No one's going to be allowed to drive.

Speaker 1 That's probably what's going to happen.

Speaker 2 That's the only way they're all going to be communicating with each other.

Speaker 1 There'll probably be roads that are set up where you can allow people to drive.

Speaker 2 How do you feel about that?

Speaker 1 I don't know. I like cars.
Yeah, it's not good. I like old cars too.

Speaker 2 I like driving. Yeah.

Speaker 2 It helps my brain unfurl.

Speaker 1 Well, I like machines. I'm into old machines.
I like the way they work.

Speaker 2 Do you know how to fix cars?

Speaker 1 I know how to fix some things, but not really. Yeah.
I mean, I know how to change spark plugs and change oil. And I understand.
Basics. Yeah, normal stuff.

Speaker 1 But most cars don't even have spark plugs anymore.

Speaker 2 No, it's weird.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's all wild.

Speaker 1 You open up the back of like, you know, open up the back of a Porsche. Like look at the engine.
You're like, what the fuck is that?

Speaker 2 And Teslas only have one gear? Is this how does it, I don't understand how that is.

Speaker 1 Have you ever been in one?

Speaker 1 No. Oh, dude.
I didn't know.

Speaker 2 Oh, wait, no, I have been in one.

Speaker 1 Next time I have mine, you got to go for a ride. Yeah.
Mine's insane.

Speaker 2 The new one. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It goes 0 to 60 in 1.9 seconds.

Speaker 2 That's nuts. It's a time machine.
How does it do that?

Speaker 1 Because it has a thousand horsepower and four-wheel drive and incredible electrical engines that just instantly generate torque and power. It just goes crazy.

Speaker 1 It just takes off. They're amazing.
And it also self-drives. Nudson's a self-drive.
It changes lanes. It stops for stop signs.
It stops for red lights. It turns.

Speaker 1 It's incredible. It changes lanes when there's obstructions in front of it.

Speaker 2 Can you take your eyes off the, can you like text and stuff? Can you be a passenger?

Speaker 1 You could, I guess. People have fallen asleep at the wheel famously.

Speaker 2 But don't they give you like strikes or something like that? Like Tesla itself will.

Speaker 1 Yeah, supposedly if you're not looking like it's been creepy. Yeah, it's creepy.
Yeah, it's all creepy. But if you want to do it right, that's how you have to do it.

Speaker 1 You can't just let people take naps and you just press play.

Speaker 2 But isn't that the point? I want to be in my car typing.

Speaker 1 Well, eventually you'll be able to do that. Eventually it won't even have a steering wheel.
Eventually there'll be a pod that you get in and it takes you places.

Speaker 2 This reminds me of that Silicon Valley episode where the self-driving car drives right into one of the shipping containers, and then he's just stuck in a shipping container.

Speaker 1 I didn't see that. Oh, it's so weird.
I never watched that show.

Speaker 2 That show is brilliant.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 it's weird.

Speaker 1 But again, if you go back to the people that were on trains and riding horses and you said, one day you're going to be able to get in a car that goes 1.9 seconds, 0 to 60, and it's going to be electric and make no sound.

Speaker 1 You'd be like, what? Well, one day you're not going to need to steer because steering is why people get fucked up because the cars can't detect other cars around them. They change lanes.

Speaker 1 People make mistakes. They go forward when they shouldn't.
They run red lights. All that's going to end.

Speaker 2 So I'm like a half hour out of the city and

Speaker 2 every time I

Speaker 2 drive to and from, there's almost every time there's an accident.

Speaker 1 I always see. Sure.

Speaker 2 The other night I was driving home actually from Mothership. It was like 1.30 in the morning and there was a guy on the left side of the freeway walking.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 There's no space, by the way. I was like, what is happening right now?

Speaker 1 Not paying attention.

Speaker 2 No, there are trucks behind me.

Speaker 2 It was nuts. I was like, this guy is either like on drugs and crazy or it's like some Jason Bourne situation where he was like limping.

Speaker 1 He probably broke down and had to work.

Speaker 2 No, he looked crazy.

Speaker 1 He was a crazy person. Decided to flirt with death.

Speaker 2 It was, I mean, Texas is a little, it feels a little unhinged.

Speaker 1 Does it? Compared to L.A.? What was the last time you were back in LA?

Speaker 2 No, I mean, I was just there. I was there two days before the fire.

Speaker 1 People are unhinged. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, I mean, it feels a little wild.

Speaker 1 I like it better.

Speaker 2 I like the, I like the,

Speaker 2 it makes,

Speaker 2 I'm coming up on two years here.

Speaker 1 So what do you mean by wild?

Speaker 2 It feels wild to me. It still feels very like...
the wild west or like Texas. There's just an energy here of kind of, every time I'm down on 6th Street, I'm like, I'm going to catch a stray down here.

Speaker 1 Well, 6th Street Street is wild. Where the club is, that's a wild place.

Speaker 2 There's fucking bonkers down there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but that also makes the club exciting.

Speaker 2 You might catch a stray while you're waiting. No,

Speaker 1 not that, but all the people, the foot traffic. You know, there's an energy on that street.

Speaker 2 Yeah, no, I like it. Yeah.
And I like the kind of, when I, even coming from L.A.,

Speaker 2 driving in Texas, I was like, these people are out of their fucking minds because it's so much bigger. And every, it's like 80 miles an hour speed limits everywhere out where I am.

Speaker 2 So everyone's actually doing 90. And I would be driving, and I'm like, they're like, get out of the way, grandmas.
And I'm like, I'm doing fucking 85. Like, it's not like I'm going slow.

Speaker 1 Are you in the left lane? No. No.

Speaker 2 I'd be in the middle lane.

Speaker 1 You're still trying to get out of there. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I was a grandma. I had to up my game.

Speaker 1 Well, didn't you see that in LA too?

Speaker 2 Yeah, but it wasn't, it wasn't, it was always like street racing, kids, like

Speaker 2 maybe out further. You can, how often could you get your car to 80 miles an hour driving around LA? At nighttime.
I mean, at night.

Speaker 1 Yeah. But I'd see a lot of people driving super fast at night now.
Yeah, yeah. More unhinged people, I think.
Really? Yeah, because I would see people driving recklessly on the 101.

Speaker 1 Like when I was coming home from the store, sometimes I'd be like, what the fuck? That's me going home, though.

Speaker 2 Like, it's, I don't know. It's pretty, it's pretty nuts.

Speaker 1 Well, when people live a half an hour away from the city and they want to get home home quick, that's how you do it.

Speaker 2 Now it's me.

Speaker 2 Now I'm the one who's doing 95.

Speaker 1 Well, it's those people, too.

Speaker 2 No, it's true.

Speaker 2 I don't know. I'm glad I moved here.
I remember you saying, like, it feels... My husband's blood pressure actually went down when he moved here.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's less people.

Speaker 2 But it's also just like everything is less of a battle.

Speaker 2 You said it to me, I think, like you felt like you could exhale on one of our, like, when you were talking, you're like, I moved there and just felt like, I can, like, breathe a little.

Speaker 2 And,

Speaker 2 I mean, my husband has like scientific evidence that he, his whole, like, energy field got more chill.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're not supposed to be living in a place that has 20 million people. I think it's bad for you.

Speaker 2 Have you ever been to Cairo?

Speaker 1 No. Cairo is

Speaker 2 nuts.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 It's the craziest city I've ever been in.

Speaker 1 I want to go. When you went to the pyramids, when was it? How long ago?

Speaker 2 Oh my gosh. It was crazy.
It was right after the revolution. So we went in 20,

Speaker 2 it was in, it was 20,

Speaker 2 it was 2000,

Speaker 2 when was the Arab Spring?

Speaker 1 That was internet times.

Speaker 2 It was 20, 2011? 2012, I want to say, 2011, 2012.

Speaker 1 What's that? 2010. 2010, Arab Spring?

Speaker 2 So it must have been 2011.

Speaker 1 That was one of the first revolutions that the internet was credited with starting.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And no one was there. So everyone was like, why the fuck are you guys in Egypt? We got basically a private tour of the whole country.
Like

Speaker 2 we were on a cruise on the Nile and it was supposed to be, you know, hundreds of people. There were 14 people on the cruise.
And we got to see, there's usually lines to go into the Great Pyramids.

Speaker 2 There were no lines, no lines to see King Tut.

Speaker 2 There was, no one was anywhere.

Speaker 2 It was a weird time to be in Egypt. And we saw, I went to Alexandria, was in Cairo,

Speaker 2 went and did like a Nile cruise, which was amazing. I mean, Egypt's, you gotta go.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's never do. Did you get this weird feeling that, like, how did this go away?

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's what, that's what I don't understand. And I had, I think I had like

Speaker 2 a mental breakdown when I was there. Like a weird...

Speaker 2 I was, we were in the hospital. Not the hospital I wanted.
I felt like I should get checked into a hospital. I was, we were staying in

Speaker 2 like the Nile across from the, all the tombs, the like king's tombs. And I kept feeling this like pulse and I had like a panic attack when I was there, basically.
It was the weirdest thing though.

Speaker 2 I kept feeling this pulse. It was like womp womp.

Speaker 1 Was this when you were doing drugs? No. No.

Speaker 2 I mean, I was drinking still, but I wasn't doing drugs.

Speaker 2 And I was like, I'm going to have a, I felt, I thought I was going to end up in a straitjacket. And I thought, I had like a panic attack.
I had like these crazy dreams.

Speaker 2 And I was like, oh, this is where it all started for like my whatever. It was fucking, it's weird.

Speaker 2 It's a weird energy.

Speaker 1 Do you think you're getting this feeling like, like you said, like here, it's in the soil.

Speaker 1 There's something in the soil here, like this fierce independence because these people are tough and they survived making it across the Great Plains and all that shit.

Speaker 1 Do you think you felt that there? Like this is the feeling of this civilization that used to exist in this place?

Speaker 2 Yeah, it felt to me, I feel like I had like a past life regression, if that's even a thing.

Speaker 2 It was like, I felt like whatever journey I've been on on this planet, it started there and I went back to the source and it was like a weird, like my dreams were crazy. It was, I couldn't,

Speaker 2 thank God the guy I was with was like nice and kind, but I couldn't, I it was like a full-blown panic attack. I couldn't even leave the hotel room.

Speaker 1 And do you think that's just because of being in Egypt?

Speaker 2 It was just being in Egypt.

Speaker 1 Do you think it's because of that, like you knew what the civilization was like and it had declined and gone and now you're there and you're just like psychologically dealing with this and you're kind of freaking out and putting it on yourself?

Speaker 2 So they had

Speaker 2 they had, I have always been obsessed with Egypt since since I was a little kid. Just unnaturally obsessed with it.
It was like, I read every book about it when I was a kid. I wanted to go there.

Speaker 2 I don't know why. And I felt like, you know, I like to believe in past lives because I think it's amusing.
I'm like, if I can choose, it sounds like a fun, it's like, why not?

Speaker 2 And I've always felt very connected to it. And so when I went there and was across from, we were in the King Farouk suite, actually.
And it had a balcony that overlooked the Nile and the tombs.

Speaker 2 And it was, I could feel, it was like something in my heart, like a vibration. And they've said that these places, like where there are these pyramids, they can have vibrations.

Speaker 2 I learned this later, but this was like a weird, like,

Speaker 2 it kept hitting my heart. And then I thought they drugged me.
I thought they gave me something in my hibiscus tea because I, I started, like,

Speaker 2 I immediately, I drank the hibiscus tea and I was like, maybe they put some kind of like hallucinogen in it. But I think I just, I like,

Speaker 2 I think about this a lot because I've had friends who have had anxiety and panic attacks and I know what it's like to like get in your head and feel like you're losing your mind.

Speaker 2 And I had to baby step my way out of this like. panic attack where I couldn't eat.
I was unable to keep food down. I just took a bath and was like, I'm going to just change it.

Speaker 1 This has never happened to you before.

Speaker 2 No, I had had like, I've had anxiety. I feel for people who have anxiety.
I had had anxiety before,

Speaker 2 but it was when I was doing a smoking a lot of weed and doing a lot of drugs, and I was in a marriage I didn't want to be in to my first husband. So, your life was a mess.

Speaker 2 And I just was lying to myself. Like,

Speaker 2 I think depression and anxiety can be very useful signposts for something in your life. You're either doing something you shouldn't be doing, or you're not doing something you should be doing.

Speaker 1 You got a course correct? Yeah. It's giving you motivation.

Speaker 2 It's, or it's saying, like, there's something, it's like a soul calling for you to

Speaker 2 check in. So, I, yoga kind of saved me from that time.
I got divorced. It somewhat went away.
I've talked about my hypochondria. So that I dealt with that.
But then I was, this was different.

Speaker 2 It was like a weird, my body physiologically reacted to it too. So I, I, like, not to be too much information, but I like randomly got a period out of nowhere.
It was just weird.

Speaker 2 My body started, like, I threw up. I got a period all at once.
And it was such a, it's like, it's the most supernatural thing that's ever happened to me.

Speaker 2 Well, there was another time that was really supernatural when I was in Newport, Rhode Island. And I swear there was like a haunting.
But other than that, this was, it felt supernatural.

Speaker 2 Like it didn't feel normal. And it took me two full days to like,

Speaker 2 whatever hit me in my heart on that balcony. And I couldn't, like, all I could hear was this like, want, want.
And it was reverberating from the,

Speaker 2 I sound like a crazy person, but it was reverberating from the tombs. And then I would just, I remember eating a grape so slowly and mindfully just to like come back into my body.

Speaker 2 And I had these like crazy dreams, and I felt like I saw all these connections, like people in my life present. And it was, it was really, it was weird.

Speaker 2 It was in that moment when I like had a physical reaction where

Speaker 2 it was like a scene from a movie where it was like zap, zap, zap, zap, zap, like all these people in my life. And

Speaker 2 the guy was with, thank God, he could have been a total asshole and been like, you're fucking psycho, I'm leaving you. But he had had a weird experience with me in his guest house in

Speaker 2 New Zealand where I would fall asleep sometimes downstairs when, or we'd pass out or whatever. And I was like, did you have a dog?

Speaker 2 Because I was like convinced there was a ghost because I kept feeling some weird sense. And he's like, don't talk about the dog.
And then it turns out there was like a dog.

Speaker 2 And his kids, like, he had it and then wanted to get rid of it. And it's just like this sore thing.
He's like, How the fuck did you know it was a dog?

Speaker 2 And I was like, Oh, because the energy was like a puppy energy. And I was like, What happened to the dog? He's like, Nothing.
Don't ever talk about the dog.

Speaker 2 And I was like, Okay, so he's like, You're weird and psychic, and like a weird sick, you have like a weird thing. He was like, You're touched by something.

Speaker 2 Like, and we used to play backgammon all the time.

Speaker 2 And one time, the die, I like rolled a dice, and it's, I'm sure it was just Lint, but it, like, I wanted to win so badly, and then the dice just was on his corner, just frozen.

Speaker 2 So he had weird, like, just on the corner tip of it, just like, he's like, what the fuck?

Speaker 1 You're a witch.

Speaker 2 So he was, he had had slightly unsettling things with me that enough that I think he was like, all right, maybe she's not totally.

Speaker 1 Well, they say that places have memory, right?

Speaker 2 Oh, this place, I mean, Egypt is so sad.

Speaker 1 I haven't been, obviously, but I felt weird when I went to Chichen Itza. That feels very weird.
Oh, okay. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I had, I had to, I was like baby stepping. I still get slightly like, and my life has never been the same really since.
Like it was, it was, it was, uh,

Speaker 2 and Egypt is Cairo's bonkers, but Egypt is the Nile. I remember just like

Speaker 2 cruising down the Nile and being on the deck and you feel, you can feel what it was like, like. You're just like, this is what.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And the tombs are all very, it's very,

Speaker 2 I don't know. It was very spiritual for me.
It was like a very,

Speaker 2 it felt like a pilgrimage that I didn't know I was taking.

Speaker 2 That's how it felt to me.

Speaker 1 Look, it makes sense. It was the most sophisticated civilization maybe ever in terms of their building.

Speaker 2 You have to go. I feel like you would love it.

Speaker 1 I know I would love it. I know.
I just don't have the time. I almost did it with Mr.
Beast. He went in December.
I was going to try to do it and do it with him.

Speaker 1 He wanted to do a podcast there, but I just couldn't make it happen. I was too busy.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 and it's a hike.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I need to take like a good, solid couple weeks and go there. It needs to be something that I know that I'm going to be there for a couple weeks.
Right now, that's not really possible.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You know, I mean, I went to

Speaker 1 visit the site of the Illusinian Mysteries, and I was with Brian Mirarescu. Where is that? It's in Greece.
Ah. And that was wild.
Really? That was wild. That place has a memory.
For sure.

Speaker 1 Yeah, just like touching the walls. Like, it just feels weird.
You just feel like this is different. Like, you're in the presence of something.
Very strange.

Speaker 2 That was Egypt.

Speaker 1 Whatever the energy, I bet Egypt is probably even more incredible, but whatever the

Speaker 1 energy of that place was, there's some of it left there. There's some weird, intangible feeling that's left there that just makes you feel very, very strange.

Speaker 2 When we were, when I was in LA at the Getty Villa, I always go there, and they had the Thrace exhibit.

Speaker 1 What's that?

Speaker 2 Thrace is like a, I didn't know anything about it. It was a, it's a civilization that was like partially in Bulgaria.
I think it came after ancient Greece. It is.

Speaker 1 Treasures from Bulgaria, Romania.

Speaker 2 This statue is fucking insane. It looks like it's looking at you.

Speaker 1 Look at the eyes. It is

Speaker 2 insane to see it in real life. This exhibit that's there right now is truly one of the most special exhibits I've ever seen.
I go to all of them that I can there, and it that is

Speaker 2 look at that. But I started amazing.
It's crazy. And I knew nothing about this civilization and society.
And the more I learn about it, the more obsessed I am. But all of this stuff had its own,

Speaker 2 like when the fires were around the villa, I was like, oh, God, I hope that they're, I hope that

Speaker 2 all this stuff is okay. Yeah.
I mean, those walls are like fireproof and they've got.

Speaker 1 I'd never heard of this before.

Speaker 2 I had never even really heard of Thrace. I, you know, I've always been very obsessed with like Greek mythology, Roman history, all of these things.
but Thrace is this crazy civilization.

Speaker 1 Look at the relief with two Thracians.

Speaker 2 I wanted to see if I have the

Speaker 1 crazy.

Speaker 2 Yeah, if you're back in LA, I think that exhibit is there until March.

Speaker 2 March 3rd, I believe.

Speaker 3 Maybe it says temporarily closed on top. I don't know if it's because of the fires.

Speaker 1 Probably.

Speaker 2 Closed.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. Yeah, I think the Getty's temporarily closed.

Speaker 3 The Getty's now open. The Getty Villa will remain closed until further notice.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 I thought they were open for some reason, but yeah, they must still be closed from the fires.

Speaker 1 Someday someone's going to be doing that with the World Trade Center. They're going to be wandering around that.
This is where they used to live. They used to go to school here.

Speaker 1 They used to work in these buildings. That's going to happen.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the same way we go through their Acropolis in the Parthenon and wander around and imagine what it was like living back then. People are going to do that with us.
Every civilization.

Speaker 1 Every civilization collapses. We're just trying to hold this one one off as much as we can.
And they usually last a couple hundred years, which is ours.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we're not, we're pretty young.

Speaker 1 I mean, yeah, but a lot of them haven't made it past where we got to.

Speaker 2 It always reminds me of that porno for pyro song. We'll make the pets.
It's like, my friend says we're like the dinosaurs. And here we are doing ourselves in much faster than they ever did.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't know if that's real.

Speaker 2 The dinosaurs?

Speaker 1 No. The other thing, we're doing ourselves in faster than them.
No, they got hit by a rock.

Speaker 2 I was like, oh, no. We'll come into dangerous territory when we find out Joe doesn't believe in dinosaurs.

Speaker 1 I was watching. We were talking about Candace Owens last night.

Speaker 1 Candace Owens likes to say dinosaurs are fake and gay.

Speaker 2 Is that what she says? Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't know what she means by that. She might just be having fun.

Speaker 1 This whole Bridget McCrone thing, though, is crazy.

Speaker 2 Did you watch any of it?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 No, I got no time. But I did see a comparison to the photographs of the person that she's claiming is actually

Speaker 2 like the brother. Oh, the brother? Didn't the brother disappear or something?

Speaker 1 Yeah, the brother disappeared. And the brother literally looks exactly like her.
I mean, to a fucking T.

Speaker 2 She was kind of on the like Blake and Ryan thing, too, I think.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 She's a sleuthan. She's been a sleuthin.
Look at these.

Speaker 2 Okay, that's pretty freaking weird.

Speaker 1 I'll send it to Jamie.

Speaker 1 Because this is, I mean, she's just going all in. First of all, I don't even know if this is a real picture.

Speaker 1 I mean, this easily could be some AI bullshit that somebody created to try to pretend that the brother is actually her.

Speaker 1 But the brother is like not to be found.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 if that's real.

Speaker 1 See, I don't know if that's real.

Speaker 1 I don't know if that's real because even the fucking teeth are the same. Like everything's the same.
Every wrinkle of of the face is the same.

Speaker 1 If that was my brother, if my brother looked, I'd be like, wait a minute, we're not twins, so we're not twins. Like what?

Speaker 3 Looks photoshopped. The mouth definitely looks photoshopped.

Speaker 1 How so?

Speaker 3 Because like you said, the teeth are exact.

Speaker 1 Yeah, exact in the exact position, right?

Speaker 3 Yeah, they're not even almost.

Speaker 1 Right. It looks fake.
It looks like somebody doctored up, somebody used AI.

Speaker 1 Pretty much, right? That's probably bullshit. That mouth is photoshopped.
Yeah, so you can't tell what's real and what's not real online anymore. Nothing's real.

Speaker 2 Nothing.

Speaker 1 You literally can't tell.

Speaker 2 You have to operate from the idea that this is not real. You have to start there now.
Right.

Speaker 1 But also, this is just the beginning. Like, what are we going to be looking at five years from now? We're going to be looking at indescribable experiences that are indistinguishable from reality.

Speaker 1 Not just like images, but you're going to be able to like,

Speaker 1 you're going to be able to have experiences that aren't real.

Speaker 2 Do you think that the metaverse thing is going to take off? Like, people are going to be plugging in to

Speaker 1 if it gets good enough. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And cheap enough because it's kind of expensive.

Speaker 1 It's expensive, and it's also weird to have something in your face. People feel weird wearing this big, clunky thing.

Speaker 1 But if you can sit down and attach something to your head, and then all of a sudden you're in another world, you're an avatar flying on a fucking dragon, we're going to do it.

Speaker 2 I mean, it sounds, isn't like Redman really into that? Oh, loves it. He's like famous in the metaverse.

Speaker 1 He goes in there every night. He has like parties and stuff.

Speaker 2 He's a nut but it's perfect for someone like him he's video game guy loves the internet matt was telling me like he's like took him to a comic you can do a type five at a comedy club there it's crazy well zuckerberg showed me that too there's a there's a metaverse comedy club yeah but you he's like you had to like know people to get in and he's famous i was like this is a nut there it's nuts that this already exists to me well it's just the beginning it's only good that's pong you know and whatever it's going to be like 20 years from now it's going to be something really wild isn't it weird to think that like you might just exist forever in the in the metaverse talking because you've done so many podcasts.

Speaker 2 They'll just be able to cut and paste and make you kind of like

Speaker 1 God in the future. Well they'll be able to get a map of how I think and how I go over things and how I go well maybe not.
Let's look at that.

Speaker 1 And then they'll apply that sort of thinking and they'll be able to do podcasts with me with anyone in history. I'll be able to have a podcast with Albert Einstein.

Speaker 2 I always think about this when I see the people who get tattoos of you. I'm like, future civilizations are going to be like, who was this man?

Speaker 2 He must have been someone important, maybe a shaman or a Brahmin.

Speaker 1 No, he's a bro cage fighting commentator.

Speaker 1 Yeah, me and Einstein. Oh, just chilling.
Look at him. That's a young Einstein too.

Speaker 3 He's a good trained thing to have.

Speaker 1 I was looking into this.

Speaker 1 They can already do it. What?

Speaker 1 Let me hear this.

Speaker 1 They don't have their voices. Oh, they don't have their voices.

Speaker 3 Yeah, but I've seen one where they did.

Speaker 1 Oh, Nikola Tesla. Ooh, Ooh, I'd love to have a podcast with him.
They already did a podcast of me and Steve Jobs. Did they? Yeah, an audio one, an audio podcast with me and Steve Jobs.
It's crude.

Speaker 1 You can kind of tell that it's not real, but that's just because it's, you know, first generation.

Speaker 2 That's really weird. Yeah.

Speaker 1 We got to wrap this up, Bridget. Okay.
Thank you very much, my friend. Always great to see you.
Thank you for having me. Always a pleasure.
Tell everybody how to get your stuff, where to find you.

Speaker 2 Just go to

Speaker 2 my YouTube and subscribe. That's the best thing you can do.

Speaker 1 What's the YouTube?

Speaker 2 It's Bridget Fetty. I don't even know about YouTube.
It's Fetasy. P-H-E-T-A-S-Y.

Speaker 2 Dumpster Fire is the show.

Speaker 2 Fetasy.com.

Speaker 2 All that stuff. Bridget Fetasy Online.
Yeah. You can find me.
All right, my friend.

Speaker 1 Appreciate you.

Speaker 2 Thank you.

Speaker 1 Bye.

Speaker 1 Love you too. Bye, everybody.
Bye.