Fight Companion - September 6, 2025

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Look at Paul Felder.

Looking like a guy from the 40s.

Do you know what he majored in in college?

Dance.

That's right.

Theater.

Theater.

That's amazing.

Yeah, I know.

It is funny.

It's so funny.

It is funny.

He was at the comedy store one night, and I was like.

Can you phone me that link, too?

Yeah.

He was at the show and he was like,

I was like, do you watch a lot of stuff?

He goes, well, I majored in theater.

Bisbing did not major in theater and he's booking a ton of roles.

He did the commercial I wrote.

Yeah, but I'm talking real roles.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, your commercial was for UFC guys.

He's booking like movies.

Is he really?

Yeah, like legit movies.

Bro, that guy's crushing it.

You want to talk about a guy who has had to struggle.

His fucking neck was so bad, dude.

He could barely get out of bed to do podcasts and to do his commentary work, and then he's in bed most of the day after that and he has one eye his one eye yeah he's had his neck fused like three different times i was on a plane with him when he was

he was in a he was he was in this right after his surgery with that you know brace and he was miserable i go how you doing he goes hey you know

bro he's he's been miserable for years like in intense pain for years he's better now right yeah he's he's slightly better we got him some we hooked him up at waistwater

he uh he got some he got two knee replacements so he's got two fake knees he's got uh his neck is all fucked up offer him a fight tomorrow he's like i'll take it

wow how about his last fight ever they're like hey man are you down to fight gaslam in china on eight day notice yeah right after you just fought your gsp and got dropped with a left hook he's been fighting since he was 14 man 14 like you can see video of him here you're like oh he's the face of european mma he's a mount rush more if they had one over there bro he was a beast he was a beast in his day and fought undersized you know, for a lot of his career, light heavyweight.

Yep.

Just the fact the guy won the world title with one eyeball.

I mean, imagine you got a wife and a family and a future.

You're in your 30s.

You're like, well, I still have one eye.

But here's my thing.

That's so crazy.

That's so gay.

He's such a gangster.

It's most fun like that.

You have your retina detached and you can go blind and the one eye you do have.

And he got his retina detached in that eye too.

Yeah, so it's like what's crazy is one.

You're doing a sport where you can definitely lose.

Yeah, no doubt.

What's crazy, though, too, is the commissioner was like, ah, he's good.

Well, you know what he did?

He memorized the fucking scale.

The eyeball thing.

The eyeball thing.

Read a tail chart.

That's a junkie for fighting.

That's crazy.

How many guys are looking for a way out all the time?

And this fucking guy

fights 10, 11 fights in the UFC with one eyeball.

He's a legend.

Legend.

It's unbelievable.

Just face of it.

This is going to be an interesting fight.

Benoit Saint-Denis and Mauricio Ruffi.

Yeah.

Ruffy is fucking crazy at 155.

He's like a Brazilian Connor.

But he's huge.

Huge.

It doesn't make any sense that he is 155.

He's like 6'2 ⁇ .

He's strong.

He's 6'2 ⁇ .

He's huge.

How tall is Rufi?

He's undefeated in the UFC.

Bro, he wheel kicked Bobby Green into another dimension.

He's super talented.

Cardio is the only question.

Hasn't fucked tough.

5'11.

Competition.

Is he only 5'11?

It says on Google.

Oh, I don't believe that.

Google be bullshit.

I think he's tall.

I think he's tough.

Come on, Jamie.

Come on, buddy.

It's 5'11, 156.

And Mike Fantasy is 6'2.

I believe he's taller than that.

I've seen him standing next to like Drickus, Duplacis, and all these other guys.

He's like, he's fucking tall as shit, man.

Tough fight for your boy BSD in his hometown.

Yes.

BSD, he takes some chances, man.

He does, but the thing is, like,

in striking, in striking, Rufie has a giant advantage.

And Rufi's not a slouch on the ground.

And Benoit Santenis, really good at judo.

Yeah, some of these guys who fight at 55 when you see them, like the fact that Michael Chase was able to make 55 at one point in his career is so ridiculous.

He walks around at 6'2, 200 pounds.

They tore their fucking kidneys apart, man.

Just break your fucking huge.

Yeah, you're drying your organs out like an old sponge.

Like Yayer Rodriguez at 45, that's ridiculous.

Would you say Khabib was the biggest 55-er?

No, Glason.

Glason Tiebau.

And I think that's the one guy that should have beat him.

If you look at the record, you know, you look at like Khabib's got an undefeated record.

There's an asterisk, and that asterisk is Glayson.

Glason T-Bow.

That was a very fucking close fight that I thought Khabib lost.

But it was early in Khabib's career.

You know, it was before he won the title.

But to your point, Khabib, 55, biggest at like the championship level.

Yeah.

Kabao was never like world-class.

No, well, he was world-class, but he was never.

Well,

world class in the 55 division, like top five.

He was never like tip of the spear.

Well, if you think that he almost won or could have won, he definitely could have gotten that decision over Khabib.

He's right up close.

But he's a, you know, early in Khabib's career, to your point.

Their 55 is way bigger than Khabib.

After a while, bro.

These guys, their body just can't do it anymore.

It's like, you know, how many fights can you have where you can still fight at your potential?

Look at this as a T-bow.

That's so good.

I saw him.

He was well over 200 pounds.

Oh, yeah.

I saw him at top team, and I couldn't believe how thick he was.

Bro, he's so thick.

It made no sense.

He had a perfect physique.

Well, dude, the craziest thing to me is Pereira making 85.

Oh, that's the nutty.

That's the nuts.

Hands down.

I met him.

I was like a Jack 235 once, and he was like way bigger than me.

And I was like, how the fuck does this guy make 185?

And his hands are fine.

Let me take this.

He's bigger than me.

He's longer than me.

Every part of him is bigger than me.

Like, how does this guy make 185?

The craziest one was Rumble Johnson.

Yep, yep, yep.

Rumbo was crazy.

Rumbo was the guy.

Dude, when I was doing

Warrior with him, he was 235 and

fighting at 170.

Dude, he fought at 170.

When I say 235, I remember saying to Sam Sheridan, I go, I feel bad about myself.

He goes, why?

I go, because I'm looking at fucking, I didn't grow.

Look at him.

Like, I don't want to look like that.

I just want to look like him.

And he sucked down to 70.

It was the craziest shit ever.

Well, Rumble, look at the size of him in the lower right ankle.

He got juicy.

There was a while there where he just had.

That's where I met him.

When he was fighting at 170, I was like 12 years old.

What did he die of?

Did he get sepsis?

Some sort of liver, something with his liver?

God damn, man.

It might have been liver.

It might have been some kind of a liver cancer or something.

He was so talented, too.

He came into our gym in like his prime, and the coach was like, are you right or left-handed?

He's like, whatever you want to do.

He's like, well, left or right, man.

He's like, literally, whatever you want to do.

And he was like, 230 pounds?

We're all shit.

Okay.

Organ failure due to complications from non-Hodgkin's lymphoma, a rare immune disorder.

And he had it for a long time.

He knew he had it.

That's horrible.

Remember when he said, I have to retire?

I'm retiring for other things.

Yeah,

terrible.

And then he died shortly after that.

That's crazy.

It happened to my friend.

Just died.

We didn't know, but he had bone marrow cancer.

We didn't know.

And then he was.

Well, you went to a restaurant, didn't he?

Via Veneto.

Yeah.

Our boy Fabrizio, one of my favorite people.

And

he just

stopped answering texts, and I was like, you know, what's going on?

And he goes, no, I'm good, brother.

I'm just taking a break from every night you, but just like, you know, I'm taking a break and relaxing.

And I was like, this doesn't make sense.

Turns out he was in L.A.

And then I think he got septic or something like that.

His family keeps it close to the best, but that was a good buddy of mine.

But just crazy that I get a call and says, hey, he passed last night.

But this is Brian in a nutshell.

We do the show Monday.

And I'm like, hey, Benny's like, good, man.

Good morning.

Oh, yeah.

My friend died.

Jesus Christ.

I don't know how to deal with it.

I'm not good with emotion.

It's hard when someone dies because it doesn't feel real.

It doesn't feel real.

Especially if you don't see them dead.

Right.

It's like, what?

You're not there anymore.

I call you.

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My buddy calls me and he goes, hey, man,

just literally like this.

He goes, hey, man, we lost Fabrizio last night.

I go, what?

Where is he?

What are you talking about?

He goes, he passed.

I go,

what?

Because I had no clue.

I had no idea.

You're such a good guy.

You're the best.

Best food ever.

They fucking release like the ZR1 X Specs or ZR1 around like Nuremberg.

I'm like, oh man, let me send this this to my dad.

I'm like, oh, he's been fucking dead for five years.

You took it to another level.

I'm sorry.

Oh, my God.

Encyclopedia.

It just holds like,

oh, yeah.

My head just goes down.

Ah, never mind.

Yeah, it's weird when people die.

It is.

It's very odd.

The ZR-1's badass, though.

The ZR-1.

You see, they did the Nuremberg fucking test, and they got it.

It wasn't with Professor Nuremberg.

It was with the engineering.

Nuremberg is.

That's Nazi Germany.

You mean Nürburg Ring?

Nüberberg Ring.

Yeah.

I have no idea how to pronounce it.

Nuremberg Trainer.

I just say it.

I just say it.

I just see the version, like the one that begins with an M.

I drove that ZR-1, not the X, but the regular one.

I drove it around Coda.

It's fucking incredible.

It's incredible.

It's like 1,100 horsepower.

It sounds like just like the perfect vehicle.

It sounds so good.

It feels so good.

It's got such handling.

It's so good, dude.

It's so fucking fat.

Does it have a traction issue?

No.

Fuck, no.

It's

giant ass fucking wheels.

Mid-engine, giant-ass tires.

The widest tire you can buy on a production automobile.

But Joe would drive that shit, and then he calls me.

I'm like, God, I need to figure out a way to get one.

I need to sell some shit.

Me too.

It's such a good car.

They nailed it, man.

It's like they, first of all, they nailed it with the mid-engine with the Corvette, the C8.

And then this is that times a thousand.

I remember one time, I don't know anything about cars, and Joe pops the hood of this new Porsche he had, and he kind of like he went like this, the way you do a magic trick.

He goes like that.

And

I was like, oh, man.

I was like, and you said something about it being dual aspiration.

I was like, dual?

You don't even know what I said.

Fuck yourself.

He's made up of terms.

It has aspiration.

What aspiration?

It was some dual thing.

I was like, oh, man.

It's got two lungs instead of one.

My car only has one lung.

He's just making things up.

That's what I heard.

I heard dual aspiration.

All right, so this is the first fight.

Gomez is very good.

He's from France.

That's that dude right there.

Yep.

Very good striker.

And then who is this gentleman?

Some white guy.

That guy looks like Poland.

They blocked him right out of Kentucky.

Yeah.

Poland or Kentucky?

I've never been to Paris.

That is layover there once in the area.

I have no desire to go.

Great city.

Great city.

I have no desire to go.

How do you say that name?

Ruchala.

Richala.

Ruchala.

Ruchala.

Ruchala.

Ruchala.

Anybody who's fighting in France usually isn't French.

It's like by way of like Russia, you know what I mean?

Armenia.

Yeah, France is very heavy in terms of its immigration.

Yes.

A lot of immigrants.

Francis and Ghana.

That's where he is.

Oh, that's right.

But even with Imavov, you know, that was the build-up to this fight.

They're like, he's not really French.

You know, he's originally Dagestani.

Yeah, or Russian, maybe, right?

I think Dagestani.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Your fave.

Yeah, my fave.

Every time there's a Daghastani knocking somebody out, he's like, are you jerking off, Callan?

Huh?

All of those daggy nuts?

Jerking off their nuts, man.

Like, look at the way they control their top control.

They're flow wrestling.

They're transitions.

How about that guy sent you guys in the text message today?

Oh, dude.

That young kid.

That Muay Thai kid.

That axe kick.

That axe kick.

The thing about that kid, though, is I don't think he's a grappler.

I think it's just Muay Thai.

That's why he's fighting in one.

It's always weird when you see a daggy and he's good at stand-up but not wrestling.

What the fuck you been doing?

How about yeah, well, that's Chero Bullet at 145.

Six foot at 145 is kind of bananas.

Oh, Sherry Bullet's fighting Paulo Costa.

Oh, that's a good one.

Here's another guy with one eye.

Shara Bullet's out of his fucking mind.

Yep.

He's a big boy.

How the fuck does he pass commit?

What's the commission doing?

You're good.

He doesn't fight in America.

Yeah.

Where we have rules.

No, didn't he fight?

I don't think he fought in America yet.

I don't believe so.

Did he?

I think you're right.

I don't believe he's fought in America.

They're like, you just stay out there i thought it's gonna be tricky for homzott to fight here but once trump became president they said come on in buddy first round if you want to sync up to us it's 452 451 450 449 448.

here we go first round this is a very good card though great card especially the last two fights oh for the locals too like there's a bunch of big names in france on here like if you're watching local mma all the top stars on this card they they stack this one right yo our board kentucky can move is he from kentucky He is now.

Gordon, you should take a couple MMA fights and just turtle up and just go.

They're all riding Abu Dhabi.

Yeah,

they're all in a part of the world like, my friend, not a problem.

Not a problem, my friend.

He did film a movie in Hollywood, though, so they allowed him to do that.

Sure.

They allowed him to come over here briefly.

And he was a pirate.

They probably put an ankle monitor on him.

100%.

He's not hard to find.

Find that red-bearded guy with one eye.

Yeah, his only hiccup was Michael Venom Page.

Well, that just shows you how fucking good Michael Venom Page is.

That's the puzzle.

I like MVP at 85.

Yeah.

I love my 85.

Yeah, man.

Well, the Cannoneer fight, I was like, ah, the size, this is where he might meet his match.

We're like, man, he fucked him up.

He fucked around too much.

Cannoneer got him on his back.

And that's on MVP.

Like, dude, if you have a guy at that caliber, hurt, fucking finish him, dude.

Don't wait around.

How about Cannoneer at 42?

He looks like he's made of metal.

He is.

Hand me that lighter, buddy.

It's interesting with

MVP because he's so hard to take down because he always has down block hands.

So all the punches come from the bottom and he also has the down block hands.

But then once he actually gets put on bottom,

he couldn't get up.

Those guys with that point fighting style are so hard to touch because they're so used to playing that tag game and their ability to close distance is nuts.

Yeah, when you're at the blitz, his speed.

Oh,

accuracy, too.

I mean, he makes everybody look stupid.

He made Kevin Holland look stupid.

He just looks stupid.

I wonder what they do with an 85, though, because you start going towards those upper echelon guys, it gets dicey.

Well, it's going to be interesting to see.

You know, it's going to be interesting to see.

As long as he doesn't fuck around like he did in the third round with Cannoneer, I think people are going to have a really hard time even touching him.

Early on, for sure.

He's just so fun to watch anyway.

I would keep him as he's just so entertaining.

No, dude, dude, there's so many super fights.

100%.

Did you see what he's saying to Cannoneer?

Calm down.

Chill, bro.

Chill.

I know.

In the middle of the fight, chill.

After he punched him in the face, chill,

Chill.

Like, what do you do to that?

Nothing.

This guy just punches you in the face.

And he's telling you to chill.

You swing an air because it's just like, oh, God.

Think how good Ian Machado Gary is.

I know.

People sleep on Ian.

He's such a beast.

Yeah, you can't.

Well, it just shows you how good Shavkot is.

Yeah.

Right?

The only guy that's ever beat him by decision.

Yeah, I mean, that was a good thing.

You're doing Shavkot versus Sean Brady.

That's a good fight.

I love that fight.

That's a real good fight.

That's a real good fight.

I'd like to know what injury Shovcot had that led him to not take the title shot.

Wild.

Yeah, I mean, it must have been a serious problem.

He had surgery.

I know he had surgery.

But apparently, before the Machado fight, he was not going to take that fight.

Like, he's that injured.

But he took that fight, won that fight, and then had to get surgery.

He had a lot of hype, too, and then just kind of went.

Yeah, people forget, man, there's so many good dudes.

You know, it's Carlos Protest is coming up.

How about that fucking

Jeff Neal?

And now he's fighting Leon Edwards.

Ooh, Protest versus Edwards.

I'm pretty sure it's not Mass Square Garden.

Is it Mass Square Square Garden, Jamie?

Pratez is so much taller than I can.

I'll get you some with that.

Oh, my God.

That's a tough fight for Leon.

That's a tough fight.

That kid's an animal.

Pratez is smoking cigarettes, drinking.

Again, Machado Gary beat him.

Yep, beat him.

People sleeping on Ian.

He had Machado hurt, though.

He dropped him, remember?

Is it Madis Square Garden?

So Brady's fighting Shavkot?

Yeah.

Wow.

I liked that fight a lot.

Brady's

baby gorilla.

Brady was impressive when he fought Leon.

Oh, yeah.

He did a lot of, he did the things right to keep him down.

Yeah, and he's got like these extra layers of muscle on his back that make him look like a turtle.

Yeah.

Who is his boss too?

Who did he lose to?

Jack, Balal Muhammad.

Balal.

Balal stopping.

He got beat up back.

Look at that fight.

But he learned from it.

Ooh, Edwards versus Proctas.

How about Proctas just smoking six?

Yeah, no, it's crazy.

It's like Joe Schilling.

I love it.

It's like whole persona is basically like, I'm going to prove you can be degenerate.

Yeah.

And still fuck people up.

Well, he can.

He's doing it.

He's that good.

But also, over 100 fights.

Really?

Yeah.

Really?

Boy Tai.

Kickboxing, MMA.

Over 100 fights.

Crazy.

He's a talented guy.

Under 30.

Come on.

Right?

How old is he?

How old is Pratez?

I think he's 20.

It's like those Russian amateur fighters.

32?

Yeah.

Oh, is he really?

Yeah.

That's like Russian boxers.

Their amateur careers will be like 150 fights before they even turn pro.

Bro, the craziest guys are the Tais.

Bulkau just fought recently.

He's 43.

I think he has 287 fights.

So insane.

What?

So what?

What?

I've heard 287 times.

But that's boxing in general and kickboxing in general.

Like, even in the States, that's typically how it is.

Like, those young dudes have so many amateur fights, but we're used to the Jake Paul's and this shit, and people just jump to the top where it's kind of watering it down.

Yeah, they're brought up with people that are at their level slowly, especially with boxing.

Speaking of boxing, what do you think about

next week?

Canelo?

Can't wait.

Oh, Canelo Crawford.

I see, I don't think it's going to be that entertaining of a fight.

What?

What makes you say that?

Why?

I mean, I guess if Crawford takes some chances, but he's jumping up such a high weight class.

Canelo by decision.

You know what, though?

Crawford looks thick.

You see the photos of him that he put on his Instagram?

He's got big legs.

I know.

He's fucking jacked.

So you think that makes him faster?

That's a good question.

You think it makes him faster?

That's a good question.

Pissed does not dare you.

But B, I'm not sure.

I don't think he's doing anything, but he might be.

Yeah, I'm not sure though that his issue is.

Look at that.

Come on, son.

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Look at that.

Yeah.

Cow's jerking off to this lady.

100%.

I have a boner that could cut glass right now.

There's a photo on one of the websites that shows him at when he's fighting at 47, ripped versus him fighting now at 68, ripped.

And he definitely looks thicker.

He looks

quite a bit thicker.

Technical, he's better than Canelo.

I just don't see him being Canelo.

I don't know if he's better technically.

Canelo's pretty good.

Pound for pound, number one in the world.

He's amazing so good

crawford's so good

what he did to errol spence is unbelievable but then also remember crawford hasn't fought in two years

is it that long yep he's great and it's madramoff was two years ago

well the thing about erro spence though you got to remember errol spence crashed his ferrari and flipped it and flew out and landed on his head like he got fucked up in that car accident i know but i don't think it had anything to do with i think crawford's just got a higher

guy that gets that fucked up.

Crawford's so good.

Like, he does that to everybody.

Crawford's so good.

No doubt.

He was like, he was ejected from his Ferrari and landed on his skull.

It is crying.

It was like he was fine.

Go outside.

Take that.

Callan, you need to take a screenshot of that and bring it into the bathroom.

Dude, it's burning my mind.

It's burning in my mind.

Bring it into the bathroom later.

I'll start crying.

That's fantastic.

When you come, you're going to cry.

I'm full of shame.

As you're coming, oh, no.

And then I'll watch it.

Then I'll look at it again.

And then you look at yourself in the mirror.

Think about

in boxing, so you got Canelo Crawford, you got Mike Tyson, Floyd Mayweather.

That's happening.

And then you have Jake Paul, Javante Davis.

That's the state of boxing.

That's crazy.

Let that sink in.

That's Paul.

Javante Davis is so crazy.

135 versus 200.

That is so nuts.

They're all exhibitions.

None of them are

exhibitions.

But what does that mean?

Just means you don't really, nobody wins.

They're not.

It's kind of, I mean, it's weird.

I don't want Jake to assume that they're not real.

It's not like a real scrap.

It's not real.

Really?

So they're not trying to knock each other out?

No, Mike Tyson and Floyd Mayweather don't like each other.

They have not liked each other forever.

Tyson and Mayweather.

Yes, but they like each other.

Mike Tyson and Mayweather don't like each other.

If there's a fight that might be real, like where Mike Tyson might say, I'm going to knock this motherfucker out, or I'm going to try to knock this mother out of it.

It would be Floyd?

They wouldn't.

Yeah, because if you look at the Jake Paul fight, no disrespect.

And if you look at the Roy Jones fight, no disrespect.

They look like they were sparring.

Yeah.

Right?

It looked like there was agreements made.

I do not know if Mike would honor any of those agreements if there was a moment to really.

He's been creepy for years.

Yeah.

If there was a moment to really,

could he hit him?

I mean, that little motherfucker can move still at 50 years old.

He's so slick.

He's still in shape.

He's still fit.

They're both old as fuck.

Old as fuck.

But this is the boxing.

How old is Mayweather?

67?

49.

Dude,

Bernard Hopkins was still at the best in the world at 50.

Yep.

I mean, that's incredible.

That doesn't mean shit, though.

With this.

Because he was active fighting contenders.

Kentucky's Dr.

Comas on the ground.

You're talking about two retired guys.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Fighting the exhibitions.

So weird money grabs.

It's so weird.

Yeah, it is weird.

It's money grabs.

I don't like it, but it's fun.

You know, something to watch.

I'll hate on it, but I'll tune in.

Yeah, I'll tune in.

It's, you know, but it's not really fighting.

So Jake Paul's not going to actually be trying to knock out Java DeVis.

There's a reason it says exhibitions.

If I had a guess.

yeah,

the event itself would be a world-class venue and be presented to a global audience with new in-ring technology elements that will reshape how boxing is presented and scoring is achieved for years to come.

What does that mean?

That shit has Abu Dhabi written all over.

What does that mean?

This is Tyson versus Mayweather.

What does that mean?

Where are they doing that?

Are they doing that in Saudi Arabia?

But of course.

But of course.

Because they have all the money.

My friend.

And they just go, what do you want to see?

I'd always like to see Floyd Tyson.

Who wants to fight an alligator?

So much money.

They got that oil money, dog.

I'm really curious about Crawford Canelo.

They're actually kind of the same size, same height.

They're not the same size.

They're not the same size.

They look pretty much the same size.

No, once it made a career fighting at much heavier weight.

It would be like a 135 or jump up to 170.

They're the same size.

Frame-wise.

Yeah, but one guy made a career fight at 170.

But right now, they're made to fight at 170.

But right now, they kind of are the same size.

Well, right now.

But once a naturally gifted, bigger guy and has competed at world-class level at that heavier weight.

So you can't say they're the same changer game when you go up that much.

Yeah, you're not going to be as fast.

He had to put on a lot of weight.

And one made a career

adaptation.

The other one's just doing it for a money grab.

He hasn't fought in two years.

Well, he was doing it for legacy, and he is, he is like,

he prepared for this.

It's not like he just went had to fight at 147 and then jumped up to 68 three months later.

Like, he really big jump, though, isn't he?

He did a 68.

He did a lot of training, put weight on, like real weight.

Yeah.

We'll see.

I'm interested in that.

Yeah.

Just because I think Crawford's that good.

I just don't think, I think this is the problem with boxing is they built these things up like, you know, Jake and Tyson and people think to me this great product or Crawford and Canelo.

And it's not, there's not much action.

Bro, I'll tell you who's this.

It's just real fucking deal.

Moses.

Moses Atoma.

Do you know who that motherfucker is?

The giant 20-year-old heavy.

Oh, yes.

Yes, yes.

Did you see what he he did to Dillian White?

Yes, he's a problem.

He's a bro.

He's a problem.

That guy's a problem.

Is he only 20?

20 years old.

He's just slightly older than Tyson was when he won the title, so he can't be the youngest guy to ever win the title.

This motherfucker is so fast.

He moves like a middleweight.

Here's, I told him that.

Watch this guy.

That's that Samoan, Samoan, or whatever it is.

Bro, look at the fucking skill.

It's the skill, the movement back and forth.

Dylan Weiss is no joke either.

Dylan White's no joke.

Look at this shit.

It'd be honest if you said his his name right.

It's Dillian.

It's all right.

Bro, he tuned this guy up.

One round, man.

I mean, again, White is past his promise.

He's also gotten beat up.

White's gotten beaten up.

Yeah, sure.

Tyson Fury beat him up.

A lot of guys are taking a turn on the table.

But this is the test you want for this young contender.

It's the way he did it.

He did it like, I'm a world champion.

Mopped the floor with it.

Didn't Deontay Wilder start him as well?

Oh, I don't know if they fought.

I don't know if Deontay fought Dillian Ward.

They're trying to do Deontay Wilder Francis.

They're talking shit to each other.

Take my fucking money.

Yeah, take my money.

See, that's not an exhibition.

The MMA boxing, take my that, take my fucking money.

But Crawford

is not an exhibition, Bubby.

Who did gets knocked out in that one?

At this stage of the game?

I don't got him.

You know what the problem with Wilder is?

He did all that ayahuasca.

He's too friendly.

Whenever someone does too much ayahuasca, I'm like, oh, he's losing.

Or any ayahuasca.

If you want to be a fighter, he did the interview one-time enemy.

He's like, I just, I lost it.

I lost the killer and thing.

The killer was like, ayahuasca took his

darkness.

That happens to a lot of guys.

Really?

Yeah, they come back and they're just like too sweet.

Some of them are

all of them.

My buddy just came back from doing a 10-day ayahuasca retreat.

He's made billions of dollars.

And he goes, I go, how was it?

He goes, it was intense.

And I go, oh, that's cool.

And he goes, I just have a deeper appreciation for my friends.

Fuck you.

Did you say that?

It was great.

He goes, I thought about you.

I was like, oh, boy, this is getting awkward.

I was rocking.

Did you say, hey, give me some money?

I know.

My body's still hot.

Pay my mortgage.

Pay my mortgage halimony.

Pay my mortgage.

Copy a check.

Did you tell Rogan that time you did ayahuasca?

No, it was mushrooms.

I don't want to get into that.

What did you do?

No, no.

It got real bad.

He did the God dose or whatever.

He didn't mean to, did you?

Did I do three grams and I was in Mother's Vagina?

And then I did four more grams because I was invited to take more medicine.

And the son sucked me into his mouth and spit me out into one of the upper rings of the music.

No, no, no.

Tell them what you're doing in real life.

Don't tell them what the words you're saying.

So I'm going to just say this.

apparently, I was, because I thought I was in hell.

Apparently, for four hours, I was asking for a manager.

I was asking to speak to a manager.

Yeah, because I needed to get out of there.

Cause I was like, I need to speak to a manager.

I don't believe I'm a good person.

I just tripped into a portal.

I need to get home.

But they're wrote in the real.

He was curled in a ball.

By the way, I don't want to get

profusely.

Farting suit.

My buddy goes,

you were in the fetal position farting so loud

and screaming and screaming this word where you can't listen.

Screaming a lot lot of different words that you're not allowed to say

dude when he told me I was like what the fuck

That's why they're illegal dude.

I don't remember anything.

I don't remember anything he's trying to get me to do it.

I'm like get the fuck out of here.

You know slightly less.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know what I learned?

Don't do mushrooms anymore.

When I did just don't do seven grams when you're troubled.

You made me eat a whole chocolate bar on this podcast.

You had to.

You see that?

If you look at me in the video, I'm like, this it had to be done.

Yeah.

But that's like three.

Three is a reasonable.

You get to around five and things get very strange.

Then you start meeting aliens.

Joe, now that you stopped alcohol?

Yeah.

Are you smoking more weed?

Allegedly.

Which usually goes.

Allegedly.

I thought you stopped smoking weed.

I don't know why.

Maybe.

They got to make that shit legal.

I got to talk to the big guy.

Yeah.

Donald, you want to make some friends?

Texa.

This is how you go.

This is how it goes.

You want to make some real friends?

They won't know what to do.

Dude, he's see what he's doing right now in Chicago.

This is one of the funniest things ever.

They are now saying they're going to look into taking gun rights away from transgender people.

So, what happens now is liberals have to defend gun rights.

I love it.

I know.

This is like the ultimate trap.

This is like the ultimate trap.

It's like, do they fall into the meme and the guy's sweating with the two buttons?

It's like,

First of all, he says things that he doesn't mean.

Like, it's wild when a president says, we're looking into taking away Rosie O'Donnell's citizenship.

You can't do that.

I saw a meme yesterday.

It was like, imagine Rosie O'Donnell moves to Ireland to escape Trump and then McDreger just becomes the leader of the fight.

He very well might.

He really might win.

I saw some video he posted like campaigning for it.

It's at like 50 million views.

Apparently, he has like 60% in the poll.

Wait, who's this?

Connor McGregor being the president of Ireland.

He just did like that.

You know what that motherfucker?

It's basically Arnold Schwarzenegger, but for us.

For the UFC.

You know, movie star.

Yeah, yeah.

Two-time world champion.

Now if he becomes president.

Actor.

That's nice.

Actor.

That's what I'm saying.

Well, there's a real movement

in England and in Ireland because of this sort of like unchecked immigration.

Well, dude, Elon's gone off the fucking chain, too.

Yeah.

Elon's making posts like, you guys got to fight back.

Oh, yeah, man.

Because people are getting arrested in England just for posting stuff on social media about it.

Bro, they are arresting thousands of people in England.

Dude, they say that they're a huge number of people.

Bramble.

100 a guy who was on my podcast.

He left my podcast, went back to England, and they arrested him.

What?

Oh, wow.

Wow.

Bramming ahead.

I just had Tommy Robinson online.

You know who Tommy Robinson is?

So he got arrested for the same thing for a documentary, and I just had him on it.

He got arrested for a documentary?

Yes, dude.

He did 18 months.

What?

He just got out.

He just did the podcast.

What was the documentary about?

It was basically about his hometown, which he he grew up to.

It started out with one mosque, and now there are 49 in his hometown of Lutton.

I think it's called Lutton.

And basically just talking about the grooming gangs and stuff.

It is crazy what they're doing.

They're just saying, did you?

Unchecked immigration.

The hiking ban in Canada.

Yeah.

What was the two walls?

It was a hiking band.

You can't go for climate change.

You're not allowed to go.

Are you kidding me?

I watched a video yesterday.

They find you $28,000

of a veteran takes a video, like, hey, I'm with the guys here.

I'm not on on camera because we're not allowed to record them.

But they said that if I walk into the woods here, I'm going to get a $28,000 fine.

Are you fucking with me?

So he takes a video of him.

He walks three feet into the woods, walks out, and then there's a video of him at the desk saying it's a $28,000.

Oh, it's like a $25,000 fine plus like $3,000 in taxes and victim fees.

Canada's so full of taxes.

Canada's such a mess.

Well, they are what we can be if we're not careful.

If you have the wrong people running the country, cautionary Omar, if all these tights, I mean, if it got to a point where some of these people, if you took away the natural-born citizenship thing, like if you could be a president and never born in America, we'd be fucked.

Super fucked.

We'd be fucked.

Because we're already fucked when they become mayors and

when they become governor.

If that starts happening, you're just going to import people from all over the world and they're going to take whatever their country is and make that state it.

Let me ask you this: is it true that when you have so if you have a bunch of illegal immigrants in your town,

your census numbers go up?

Yes.

Congressional seats.

So the way it works is the census only counts how many human beings.

It doesn't count how many illegal.

It doesn't matter.

So that's why they were moving people in with buses.

So that's why they moved all these people to swing states.

So you're basically rigging these areas.

And then they were trying to offer a pathway to citizenship and allow those people to vote, which would have completely rigged all the swing states.

Wow.

Yeah.

I mean, Elon talked about it pretty extensively and documented it.

It's a real thing.

And people push back about it.

It's a dangerous conspiracy theory.

But it's not because the census counts people.

And the more people you have, the more congressional seats you get.

If they just eliminated that, the Democrats would be cooked.

I don't know if that's even legal, though.

I think constitutionally it's basically the way it's set up, it's supposed to be the amount of people.

It's not supposed to be the amount of legal citizens, which it should be.

Congressional seats.

I mean, come on, it's crazy.

I think it should be citizens.

Especially when you're just opening up the border and you allowed 20 million people to come in over a period of four years.

That is a massive percentage of the population of the United States.

It's nuts.

Like 20 million people.

I was like, it's such a huge percentage of the original population.

Tommy Robinson told me 43%.

I don't know if this is true, but I think it's something like 43% of the immigrants that come into the UK and I think in Europe in general are on the dole, but especially in the UK.

So they're on the dole.

They're literally on welfare.

And the main problem is that a lot of these people from certain countries don't assimilate.

No.

Because they are, you know,

Islamic first, and then, you know, and essentially the whole idea is to get a caliphate, create a caliphate in the UK, which is insane.

Well, they're doing it.

That's what's going on.

What's really insane is that they're doing it.

But the thing is, like, who's allowing this to happen?

And what's the end of the world?

Well, did you see the new lady who apparently was just the just got elected in the UK for like border patrol

and it's just like her Arabic or Farsi or whatever it is written behind her?

Oh, yeah, she wants Sharia law.

It's completely bananas.

What?

Yeah.

This is the problem.

It's like you want to assimilate, great.

It doesn't matter where you're from, what your religion, who cares?

But if you want to start overthrowing the very country that you're emigrating into,

the problem is if you say something against it, then oh, you're race.

I was having that conversation with Constantine JC Vincent.

I'm not racist.

I grew up in the Arab world.

Fuck, I'm the farthest thing from, I love, I grew up with the Arabs and Muslims, so you can't call me that, but that's fucking crazy.

That's my cousin.

I'm not racist.

Yeah, everybody.

Here's the difference, though.

Can I just say this?

The biggest thing that the left does is this.

You say there's a problem, which is a legit problem.

You say, you know, London's now a minority country.

There are these young Muslim men, for example, who are not assimilating and are becoming militant and fundamentalist.

Okay, you say something like that.

What then a leftist will say is they'll go, instead of like debating that issue, which is a problem, you're just stating a problem.

Okay.

They will say, oh, you're Islamophobic, you're xenophobic, and you're racist.

So they diagnose you.

They kind of,

I'm stealing this from Nick Frites, by the way, so shout out to Nick Frites, but that's what they'll do.

They'll diagnose the person and their personality and their character, not, they'll step outside of the debate.

Yeah, so you can't have a conversation with people like that.

No, which

is,

but that's why it's scary, though, is because there's no talking point.

There's no common ground that you can,

you can't agree on anything.

Right.

So it's like, if I'm over here and you're over here, and we both can't meet somewhere in the middle,

men can't get pregnant.

Exactly.

At some point, you just have to fight.

Right.

Because I'm going to stop it and call you a transphobe and turn my back.

You've got a divorce, or have to fight.

Don't you think that this is on purpose?

I think it's to keep each other out of each other's throats.

It's to keep us in chaos so that they can implement more control.

And it's working.

Yeah.

Well, is it?

Or are we starting to get wise to the fact that we're all being gamed?

It's a battle.

Yeah.

It's a battle.

Are there matters?

But it's working.

Well, it's working on a lot of people.

There's a lot of people that are just falling right in.

They're falling right in line.

And, you know, and if you tell them that they're homophobic or xenophobic or transphobic, they'll do whatever the fuck they can to avoid that label.

And so then they fall right into your trap.

Although, Trump did get elected, and it seems like that argument by the left is starting to lose a lot of its status.

Yeah, but he only got elected by half the country, right?

The other half the country didn't want him.

It's a lot of people.

It's a lot of people.

So it worked on a lot of people.

They were in the process of implementing a plan.

And that plan, if it worked, would have made this country a one-party state.

But disliking Trump and disliking those policies are two different things, right?

So there are people that are conservative who don't like Trump.

There are people that are moderate Democrats or Republicans who don't like Trump.

My question is: you would know this better.

How much of this stuff online is

real?

Bots.

Bots.

How much?

A huge percentage.

Still.

And it's like the opposite of real life.

An FBI analyst said as many as 80% of the people that are posting on Twitter are bots.

What?

Posting what, though?

Just political shit?

All kinds of stuff.

Climate, politics, race, gender.

There was that China just got busted using ChatGPT to run a host of different accounts, a bunch of different accounts that were all posting about

USAID being shut down.

They were posting about LBGTQ plus TA, whatever the fuck issue.

Just to divide us more.

Just to divide us more.

So Brian Shaw told me that he posted a picture of him and Jordan Peterson.

He always gets the love.

He's a strong man.

And he said that he was getting all this like immediately, just all these comments that were like, how could you do this and stuff like that?

Then he'd go to the profile and be like, This is this doesn't feel like it's real.

No, not a real person.

It's not a real person.

There's a giant percentage on Instagram, a giant percentage on Facebook and on Twitter that are not real.

And it's legal, and you can do it, and I bet we do it too.

I bet corporations do it.

I bet human you can crowdfund, by the way, on purpose.

Like, say, if Brian Cowan, if you like, you hated Brendan Chubb, it shouldn't be the fighter and the kid.

It should be the kid and the kid, just me.

Everybody agrees.

You could literally go to a company and have them attack Brendan Chaub, and you would pay for it, and they would use their budget.

It could have been done before on me.

Yeah, I'm sure.

Well, it can be done on anyone.

That's the point.

It's like any, whatever your goal is.

Say, let's get rid of all red lights.

No more traffic lights.

You could do that.

You could have whatever the fuck you want, have a bunch of fake people protesting.

What a waste of fucking time.

You know, you can't do it.

But it's not really.

It's not really waste of time.

Well, I guess it's effective with dumb people.

Yeah.

Especially if they have a country doing it.

Like China can do it to to us, but we can't do it to them.

Right.

We can't get into their system.

They just, they, they, yeah, they have whatever they want.

The people know.

Oh, well, we're a company.

They run their own propaganda and then they run it against us.

That might be the least of our problems.

We let them buy land around military bases.

Yeah, they own a shit ton of land.

My friend had his company attacked that way.

I mean, the biggest issue with China is definitely AI.

Yeah.

The AI is like the next benefit.

But those two dudes you had on here with AI, they're saying we're actually still a step ahead of them.

I don't know if they know.

Can I summarize that?

Yeah, they said that at the time, but I don't know if they know.

Because here's the thing: they steal all the data from OpenAI.

They steal data from, like, Grok just got infiltrated by this guy who stole all their shit allegedly and then sold it to OpenAI.

And OpenAI got infiltrated allegedly by China.

Like, you've got all these Chinese nationals that are over here working.

Yeah, that's how most of the AI labs are.

They're in the AI labs.

They're not in the United States and technicians.

They're Chinese nationals.

Because remember, when we had Tulsi Gabriel.

This was like the biggest problem America is facing, for sure.

100%.

Because when we had Tulsi Gabbard on the podcast, right, I was like, yeah, Russian, when I say Russian hackers, I kept talking about Russian hackers.

And she's like, hey, off the air, she's like, just so you know, we're better at hacking than they are.

Oh, yeah.

We have better hackers.

So this whole thing keep talking about with Russians.

I don't know.

I kept saying Russians.

She's like, America actually has way better people to hack all that.

But it's an arms race.

It's an AI race.

Yeah.

The thing is, they're all together.

It's the government with the corporations in China.

They're all in lockstep.

They're not like in battle with their corporations.

Corporations do what the government says.

Exactly.

They tried that over here with Facebook, like when Facebook, when the FBI clamped down on them, told them to get rid of the Hunter Biden laptop story.

They did it.

Well, they didn't at Facebook.

They kind of limited the reach, but Twitter, they completely blocked it.

But the other thing that they did was they told them to get rid of rid of factual information about COVID.

Factual information.

The government was contacting Zombie.

Why do you think that is?

Because they didn't want vaccine hesitancy, because they wanted to make more money.

Got to get more money.

They wanted millions of people.

Was it money, or did they believe that the vaccine was saving lives?

Money, for sure.

Money, money, for sure.

Money.

Really?

Look at you, you're so cute.

They just wanted to save lives.

He's still one of those guys.

No, Brian's still one of those guys.

Brian's still one of those guys.

Are you crazy?

There's not a goddamn thing the government does.

I really am.

It's not a goddamn thing the government does for you.

For you to make your life better.

Everything they do is to either get elected,

raise more money, campaign,

more money, like raising money for causes.

It's their own issue.

You see, in the UK now, they're like, we're going to deal,

we have a solution to deal with mass immigration.

We're going to digital IDs.

So it's like they created an issue

and then they're going to give you a solution to give them more control.

I think it's how much fucking money do you have.

The ASPN is down.

But what you just said, what you just said about the government, whether it's true or not, that's a very important thing to keep in to believe.

I have representative Luna on the podcast, and you know what she said to me?

We were talking about certain issues.

She goes, they don't want to resolve those issues because they could fundraise against them.

Of course.

How about they literally

don't reach resolutions?

But my question, Joe, is how much money do they need?

Well, they always need new money every week.

But my thing is, like, Pelosi, how much money does that big, heavy bitch have?

She has the biggest.

It's like a half a billion, half a billion.

And she just keeps going.

$400 million.

Yeah.

Well, that's her husband.

I mean,

he's always been an investor.

Yeah.

But

the way he's doing is inside our trade.

Right, it doesn't mean it's not, it doesn't mean it's all in the up and up, obviously.

But I'm just saying,

how long does she need to go?

The answer to that is that government will continue to grow like a leviathan.

And

it does, what does it do?

Well, that's why they want two parties here.

They want no common talking ground between the two parties, so we just keep fighting.

Well, that might be good.

You want government to fight each other, right?

You want this divide and conquer thing, so government moves at a glacial pace.

That would be the idea.

But government is the issue.

Yeah.

Remember when Elon was trying to start the American

American wing?

Remember that?

He was like not Democrat.

Yeah, third party is never really, it's hard.

First of all, I don't think you're allowed to name it.

I think we looked into that.

You're not allowed to name your party the America Party.

Because

you can't call it America.

Because then if you go against it, you're going against America.

That's fair.

That's like the Patriot Apartment.

The genius of the Patriot Act was.

I understand

what Elon's going to do, though.

I don't know how that's going to work in effect.

Like, if he starts another party.

Oh, there we go.

It's back.

Here we go.

You've seen leaving ESPN on ESPN said, why don't you get staff on his tit right there?

Has he got staff on his titty?

Looks like a bruise.

He's got something, but

it's a big toe to the titty.

It doesn't look like staff.

No.

Staff is usually raised.

It just looks kind of red.

It doesn't really look raised from here, but I can't tell.

The worst one ever was Kevin Lee.

Remember when Kevin Lee went to the army?

He had this welt.

He had makeup on it.

Yeah.

Was that when he fought Tony?

Was it that fight?

That could be anything.

That doesn't look raised, though.

Dude, how about Tony got a win the other night?

Okay, he's a YouTuber.

I heard that staff doesn't come from the mat, it comes from the person you're rolling with.

Is this a fairy?

What's up, Jamie?

Oh,

that is staff.

That's staff, I feel.

That's 100% staff.

That's not.

See the little white head up top?

I'm surprised you let him fight.

But if you're in antibiotics, I think it's 24 or 36 hours, you're not contagious anymore.

It's just going to drain your fucking cardio.

Damn.

How effective is topical solutions on something like that?

So you have to take systemic antibiotics.

I actually just had SAF like a month ago.

Of course you did.

You've had it a thousand times.

Yep.

And I was like, and I actually

use fucking Grok to help me cure it without antibiotics.

Really?

So I had it on my back, and

I put the topical clindamycin pad.

And there's like liquid clindamycin that you can like just rub on there.

And then there's a pad.

So I doused the pad in clindamycin, and I taped the clindamycin pad to to my back and then I broke one of those heating pads and I put I taped the heating pad to my back because staph once you start getting above body temperature it doesn't replicate yeah like it yeah I think it dies like 140 or 150 degrees somewhere around there so get the sauna but yeah the problem is that it you have to it's sustained over time like you can't sit in 150 degree sauna for 24 hours right right right so I kept the heating pad on there and I would just change it like five six times a day change the pad and it went away in like two weeks took a little bit longer but I didn't have to take any oral how's your stomach And I'm like, wow, I wish I knew this 10 years ago before I ruined my fucking life.

Fuck.

How's your stomach?

It is still?

Yeah.

I haven't been able to do like a hard session since like early 2024.

Damn.

I just start dry heaving every time my heart rate goes up.

Fuck.

So I'm just like a skinny fat guy now.

That's so nice.

Jesus Christ, dude.

Have you tried fasting?

Have you ever tried that?

I've been forced fasted.

Like I just haven't been able to eat for two weeks.

You haven't eaten anything in two weeks or just a little bit?

Like just nothing.

I just wasn't able to eat.

Like just.

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Yeah.

I was, uh, like before I fought Roberto Jimenez, I actually had to go to the hospital because I couldn't drink water or eat for two weeks.

And I was like in the hospital like three days before you couldn't drink water?

No, just like too nauseous to get anything, keep anything.

That is so nuts.

So I just like went to the hospital, hospital, got an IV, and then like flew to go and compete.

All right, here we go.

What do we got here?

Sola and McKee.

You gotta get at least one of them a nickname now.

I feel like we're yeah.

That guy.

Who so McKee is the guy with the tattoos?

Yep.

Sola's gonna be a big fan favorite.

Because he's a champion in a lower league out there.

Oh, is he?

Yep.

They put a bunch of those cats on him.

So Paris didn't, or France didn't even have MMA until really fairly recently, right?

Like 10 years ago?

Yeah.

Because when Francis was over there,

there was no MMA, yeah.

You couldn't fight him.

And then finally they got, PFL did events in Africa.

And he didn't show up.

Because he said they didn't use any regional guys.

That's why he wouldn't show up?

Yeah.

Really?

Yeah, he he was like, no, you didn't use any of my fucking guys.

Wow.

I think there's a chance.

Oh,

nice shot.

I think there's a chance Francis comes back to the UFC now.

I don't think there is.

Why do you say that?

I don't think Dana wants that.

All right, well, you know.

Dana had a bad experience with him.

I heard.

Didn't enjoy working with him.

But you don't think there's a chance some of the other shot callers there go, dude, we can get him back?

Him versus John?

Him versus John.

At the White House?

Yeah.

Do you think

John at the White House?

John on the White House card?

I think John does the White House.

I bet not.

Dana goes, they go, what's the chance?

He goes, one in billion.

Did he really say that he was one in a billion?

I saw that.

John responded with a great answer.

He did.

I'm great.

You're saying there's a chance.

You're saying there's a chance.

He goes, I'm a one in billion guy.

I don't think there's chances.

That's exactly what I thought when

I saw it.

And I was like, oh, so there's a chance there.

There's a chance.

Yeah, 100%.

This guy's getting caught.

Good news is John's most recent case has been dropped,

which is excellent.

Yep.

He wasn't even there, apparently.

I don't know.

Wasn't really shopping.

I only go with what my phone says.

All right.

Oh, I think I'm all.

I'm always with my phone.

Listen, I think there should be a place.

I think there should be a place in this country that has no law.

One city.

Just one city with no law.

Just go to Mexico, Kirk.

Maybe it's Albuquerque.

Just one place with no law.

Just like, or maybe like a little gray area in between the states.

What about the purge?

Just 24 hours where there's

one place where you can just get buck wild.

Well, you can go down to Tijuana, dude.

You can just live like Taiwan.

Go to Mexico.

I mean, but Ed Calderon, I was listening to that podcast.

Fuck.

That's a crazy podcast.

That dude has seen it all.

I can't imagine what he's actually seen.

37 assassinations in the last Mexican elections.

Yeah, but they all dabble.

But all those politicians, they dabble with the cartel.

So it's not like they're not.

No, no, no, no, no, no.

They're not dabbling.

They are all cartel members.

That's what I'm saying.

That's what's true.

These two happened in Germany.

Yeah, they're all involved there.

Yeah, but

seven of the right-wing cabinets had just been, had just died.

Yeah, then I looked into it and they were like, there's no foul play here.

I'm like, but that's seven.

That's a lot.

Yeah.

No foul play.

Don't worry about it.

But my thing when you had Ed on, A, I'm never going to Mexico again, but B, I mean,

fucking never.

Never.

But B, too, I sent my wife that because she wants to take the kids to Mexico because she's from there.

It's never fucking happening.

Yeah.

And so I sent her that podcast.

But when he was like, yeah, Trump's, you know, they have the drones like kind of

following the cartel and all that to get information on them.

And like, he's going to, they're going to do something.

They're send people in there.

But when he was saying the cartel's, like, in the government, in the police units, they're everywhere.

It's like, okay, so you're going to take out the henchmen.

That does nothing.

Well, Calderon said he was going to be able to do that.

So my summarization of that podcast was like, oh, well, Mexico is fucked.

There's nothing you can do.

You're never going to get rid of it.

It's too ingrained in the community.

Bukali, look what Bukele did.

He treated it like it was.

It was too ingrained here.

You can go to Afghanistan.

Like, we're so far separated that it's not really like

the cartel can come up here and fuck with us.

Correct.

Well, Calderon said the only way to deal with it is treat it like it's an insurgency.

And when they had that conservative guy in charge,

they actually did a lot to cripple the cartels.

But unless you treat it like an actual civil war, where you've got to treat it like this is a real insurgency.

They have so much money.

They buy so many politicians.

They buy so many people.

It's so difficult to beat them at this point because we let it get so far.

Mexico let it get so bad.

When you have 37 people get assassinated in one election, it's so hard.

But how's that not on if CNN wants to break some news?

How's that not on the tracker at all?

Yeah, you have to hear it from me.

You have to hear it on this podcast.

Did you hear this influencer, this TikTok influencer, killed her, her husband, and her seven-year-old and 13-year-old, wrapped them in plastic, and put them in a truck?

Did you hear about this?

No.

This is a week ago.

But see, that's what I'm saying.

In Mexico,

the husband was doing something with it.

Yeah, and the two guys that the cops brought in were witnesses to it, and they got kidnapped.

Jesus.

Right out of the prosecutor.

But didn't Ed say like 91% of murders go unsolved?

Yes.

Yeah.

Everything's just a cold case.

I don't know, dude.

I think anyway.

If you're the 9% that gets busted,

you can walk there.

You can just walk there.

You can walk right into chaos.

You can walk there

from here.

You can get there in a day.

But if you're a tourist, a lot of times they'll leave you alone, right?

Five-hour drive.

drive.

Dude, when I was living in California, I had my Ford Lightning, and there's a shop down there that makes carbon fiber parts for Lightnings.

I was like, I'll just go pick it up.

I drove down there, and the guy working the custom goes, What are you doing?

What are you doing?

I go, What do you mean, man?

I'm here to pick up some car parts.

He goes, Listen, we knew you were coming because you posted.

You're coming down here.

We knew you were coming.

And we're fans.

We're good guys.

But if we know you're coming, the bad guys know you're coming.

He's like, Don't come back here, man.

I'm like, really?

He's like, don't come back.

He's like, you're in a loud orange Ford Lightning and you're posting you're coming down here.

Yeah.

Don't do that.

Worth it.

Was it?

I know.

I mean, it's cool.

Yeah.

These carbon fiber fenders are tough to fuck.

Who would run for mayor?

Look at that.

From 2018 to mid-2024, 1,709 murders, attacks, and threats were recorded against politicians and officials.

That is crazy.

Who's going to run for

the next

year?

That's it.

Some people just...

He disappears.

You'd think at 27 the guy'd be like, fuck this, dude.

Well, Calderon said the people are getting so sick of it.

I think ultimately there becomes this.

What are they going to do, Bea?

A revolt.

The population

arms itself.

Yeah, that's it.

And do what?

Get shot.

They're so organized, though.

Yeah, they're literally like military weapons.

They have military weaponry.

And they have night vision.

They have armies.

I mean, that's what I'm saying.

What are you going to do?

I don't know.

A revolt and do what?

Get murdered?

I think you're going to see more of what that happened to that Venezuelan boat that just got taken out in the middle of the water.

I was seeing people saying that that wasn't a cartel thing and that what Donald Trump has committed is a war crime.

He blew up people from Venezuela for no reason.

You don't think they know that

this fucking boat filled with taped-up satchels?

Yeah.

And Maduro,

I can't believe that the Justice Department said, Maduro, we have a reward for his arrest.

$50 million.

They put $50 million on the president's head.

That's setting something up.

They're setting something up.

Oh, yeah.

There must be some gold in them, Dar Hills.

Yeah,

I got a feeling we got

some badasses kind of already down there.

Well, probably.

There's probably also some.

I mean, between Mexico and Canada, it's just a shit show.

Yeah, but Canada is like so much safer.

Yes.

Canada, you have your job, you have your reputation destroyed.

In Mexico, they kill your whole family.

It's kind of a different thing.

In Canada, one of 20 people in Canada is assisted suicide.

What?

Yeah, one in 20.

What?

Yeah,

I'll send it to Jamie so he can post it.

It is

so crazy.

In other news, did you see that Roy Jones Jr.?

Yes.

Wasn't that good?

That was heartwarming.

It was so amazing.

The guy they gave him his gold medal?

Yeah, because that Korean guy

who got beat.

I love that.

It was heartwarming.

It was really good.

I got emotional over it.

Yeah, because there it is.

Assisted dying now accounts for one in 20 Canada deaths.

That's how depressed they are.

Well, they're doing it for people that are depressed.

They're doing it for people, oh, you hurt your knee.

Jesus Christ.

I'm not allowed to hike anymore.

Okay, they killed 15,300 people last year.

What a shit show.

What a shit show.

It was legalized in 2016, but it showed around 15,300 and 300 people underwent assisted dying last year.

Median age is 77, though.

After being successful in their applications.

The median age is 77.

I kind of get that.

So you can just do it for any reason?

Yep.

Yeah.

Small minority of other cases, patients may not have been terminally ill, but sought an assisted death due to long and complicated illness that had significantly impact their quality of life.

Well, it really makes you think: like, what percentage of people are just suffering where life just fucking blows?

Probably quite a bit.

And are they doing it in those tanks?

They're doing those like weird station things.

Yeah.

I don't know.

Have you seen those?

They look pretty nice.

They do it in Oregon.

Every time you could get assisted suicide in Oregon.

But how are they putting them down?

Do we know?

I don't know.

Is it IV or is it gas?

Because there's a place in Sweden.

I watched a documentary on.

He kind of just jumped in this little alien ship looking thing and just came over.

Cook you?

He had his last meal with his wife.

I was like, all right, see you on the other side.

And just out.

B, you and I were talking about suicide one time, and I was like, I can't understand how anybody would do it.

And a guy who I would come to my shows periodically, and he'd give me like, he made knives and stuff.

And he emailed me.

And he goes,

Just so you know, I'll give you an idea of what it's like when you contemplate suicide.

I was like, okay.

And he goes,

you ever been in a Hasana and you can't stand another second, you got to get out because it's just too hot?

Think of being that with no doors all the time.

For your whole life.

Yeah.

And I was like, holy fuck.

And did he do it or no?

He tried twice, I guess.

And

now he's better.

Well, think about the kind of pain that Bisbing must have been in because of his neck.

You know?

Bisbing's a guy, but he didn't even consider it.

No.

No.

There's a difference.

No, he's probably trying to line up a fight.

Think about Gordon.

Think of the shit he deals with.

Still winning.

You know what I'm saying?

Being C-sick 24-7?

I can't understand how no one can figure out how to fix what's wrong.

Well, I mean, the issue is that they know what the issue are, what the issues are, and they're just like, we're going to try to reset your gut biome.

And I'm like, sweet.

What's like the agreed-upon baseline homeostasis for like what your gut biome is supposed to be?

They're like, we don't know.

There is, it's different for every person.

So

just eat nothing but kimchi for a year and see what's in the gut.

I could do that, yeah.

Yeah.

Or I could just kill myself.

Don't do that.

Gut biome.

Yeah.

That's like a fifth gunoon, and he's got that clinic.

Because everybody always wondered, like, what happens if you take antibiotics too much?

There you go.

So now we know.

Yeah.

Remember my psoriasis?

You remember seeing how covered I was?

And then Andy Galpin and Dan Garner gave me a ton of people.

How are you laughing?

You're such a piece of shit.

I know you're fine.

But I changed.

I changed it.

I know.

I know.

Look at his face.

It's like when, who was it?

Bobby Lay was like, I was brutally molested.

And yeah, I just started fucking crying.

Died by a Down syndrome guy.

And he started laughing.

That's such a brutality.

No, because Bobby goes, all right, I'm going to say this again.

If you guys laugh, and change up everything.

And he goes,

he was officiously molested.

When I was

just avoiding it, I was brutally molested.

I'm like, you don't say brutally, dude.

No, think about Bobby.

It's like, Bobby Bobby might have been making that story up.

He was.

He knew I was laughing because every time it got worse and worse and worse.

Bobby's one of the funniest people ever.

He's funny as fuck.

He's really.

He's one of the funniest people ever.

Very funny.

I miss him.

So Santino, man.

Will Bobby not talk to you anymore?

No, we text him.

We're good.

Interesting.

But I miss him.

He texts like three years ago.

No,

no, but I missed him.

You don't text like on a regular basis.

No, I said we made up, though.

Yeah.

He had said, he had told somebody to say hi to me.

And then I said, hey, you know, I heard, and I said, he goes, how are you?

I go, I'm good and eternally eternally sorry and he goes we're good and you know that's cool is he at the mothership that's a good fight Lopez Diego Lopez

that's next weekend does Bobby come to the mothership much he's been there yeah I mean he comes when he's in town I tried to get him to move here I'm never moving to Austin

but when he was here he met some nice ladies

Tim Dylan's take on Austin's hilarious it's funny it's so funny he's like there's like two good restaurants I've been to him multiple times.

There's no live music scene.

It's Six Buskers on heroin.

He's here all the time.

He was here last week.

He's going to be here again this week.

He's the best.

I've seen him all the time.

He owns two houses here.

He's just nuts.

He's very funny.

He's just being silly.

It's so funny.

And then they write articles on it.

What's really funny is that it became like a whole thing, like the movements leaving Austin.

The shine has worn off.

It quoted me, Shane Gillis, and

Tim Dylan saying how much we hated Austin.

I just said I miss the baseball dads in L.A.

That's all I said, man.

That's hilarious.

I love it here.

Yeah.

I used to miss the comedy store until I opened the mothership.

That was all I missed.

I love everything else about Austin.

I have no problems here.

I'd like them to clean up some of that homeless shit, though.

Compared to L.A.

It's pretty bad on 6th.

First of all, what are you doing on 6th other than go to the club and get out of the club?

I do.

Yeah.

Don't.

I've got a problem with the shit.

I show the dead rabbit sometimes.

That's the problem, right?

That's shelters right there, which is so nuts.

You get some people that are homeless, trying to get clean, and where do you put their shelter?

A block away from the biggest party fucking street in all of Texas.

I know.

It's so dumb.

I'll be honest, I haven't seen, because I'm not, I haven't been down to six at all.

I haven't seen a single homeless person ever.

Well, they're very

centrally located.

Yeah, it's all sixth street.

I'm like a weird bubble where it's like Pleasantville.

It's just, there's no danger, and I don't like it.

Look at this, look at this, look at this.

This is a matter of time.

That's it.

Herb Dean, seen enough.

Yeah, that guy was just, he was just.

Did you see?

I feel like this can't even be real, but it might be.

Did you see they just opened a $65 million transgender homeless shelter in New York?

Well, how does that mean?

How many fantastic people are in the world?

How many homeless people are transgender people?

I saw it.

We could factor.

There's three people in there.

Well, Mom Donnie is saying that he wants to set it up where people can go there and get snipped for free.

He's going to win, huh?

Hopefully.

Yeah, he won.

To watch New York try to experiment with a socialist again?

I heard an interesting take yesterday where apparently

a lot of the super rich people in New York

actually want him to win.

So they're like, yeah, go ahead.

We're not going to be affected.

You guys fucking see how it goes.

New York City opens first taxpayer-funded transgender homeless seltzer news.

Wow.

Progressive political theater.

That is adorable.

There you go.

150 beds for trans and gender non-conforming individuals, nowhere to sleep.

Those are expensive beds.

Wow, that is really wild.

Nations.

What is gender non-conforming?

Do you get to choose if you're gender non-conforming?

What if I just decide I'm gender non-conforming?

I think all I have to do is just say it.

Yeah, you can.

If I just say I'm gender non-conforming.

Okay.

Well, that's what's new about the transgender movement.

It's rooted in what?

A feeling.

It's not rooted.

So you can be a minority and a minority on the same level or even bigger than a black man, ask Dave Chabelle, because you feel like one.

You know what's weird, though?

Your daughters are older.

Have your kids asked you, like when that transgender shooter, just the, was that last week?

The mass shooter?

Seven of them in a row.

Yeah, I'm saying this last one.

It was all over the news.

We had the news on when my kids asked me about it.

Because kids kind of have a

better understanding.

Meaning it's very black and white.

Where they're like, wait, dad, he's a, or she's a girl.

I go, no.

That's a guy.

Right.

He's like, but she thought she was a girl?

I'm like, she felt like it, but she's a man.

He's like, oh, that makes sense.

There's no lines aren't.

The thing is,

in the manifesto, this guy said that he regrets going trans and he doesn't want to chop his hair off, even though he hates his hair.

He doesn't want to chop it off because he'd be like giving in to all the people that said he wasn't really a woman in the first place, but he regrets ever doing it in the first place.

Here's my take on it.

It's not about transgender people being more violent.

It has nothing to do with that.

There are people that are completely out of their minds.

And one of the the manifestations of that is to decide that you're a different gender.

Gender disruption.

So what happens is, but now when you stigmatize that, when you say you're not even allowed to talk to somebody, but maybe they might be a little confused because that's considered conversion therapy.

What happens is you're now lumping those two things in.

Wait, what do you mean?

So in other words, this kid is not...

No, no one is not allowed to talk to someone about being confused about their gender.

You're saying you don't have to tell your parents.

No.

So

was in California, there was legislation presented in a number of states which said when a child says, I feel like a girl, but I'm a boy, and a psychiatrist

tries to treat that as an abnormality or a mental illness or a confusion.

Oh, you're saying you can't question that.

You can lose your license.

Yes, you can lose your license.

Why?

Because Miriam Grossman, I had her on, she wrote Trans Nation, I think.

And that can be considered malpractice, and you can get sued and and lose your.

Yeah.

So then the real problem is the psychiatric drugs because they're all at all.

There you go.

And what I'm saying is that if you might have a kid who's profoundly disturbed in a number of ways, one of the manifestations of that is saying, I'm now a girl or whatever it is.

That should be a signal, maybe, many times that your kid is not well.

And let's take a look at what the fuck is going on.

Yes.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

But if you say that, then you're anti-trans.

Of course, that's what I'm back to what I'm saying.

And how many mass shooters have we had?

Clearly, there's a fucking issue, man.

Right.

There's an issue.

Right.

Doesn't mean all trans people are bad, but these mass shooters, we got to figure it out.

Can't keep going down this road.

I'm getting in touch with my feminists.

I'd say we just keep going down this road.

We don't have a choice.

As long as we disarm them all.

This is what they're going to do.

I can't wait to disarm them.

I can't wait to see the left defend guns.

I can't wait.

Yeah.

I'm going to open up up a transgender gun club in Austin.

Hilarious.

Fuck it.

Let's go.

The left will never oppose me.

If I just, like, I say, well, I'm going to open up a gun club only for transgender and non-binary conforming people, whatever.

That's good.

Gender non-conforming people.

Have you tried to have any of the really far-left professors on your podcast?

No.

I've had them in the past.

Have you?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

How's that going?

Not so good.

No.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Thaddeus Russell, I had a

very long and stupid conversation with him about the difference between men and women.

There's no difference.

And I'm like, so if you get a boy puppy, if you get a puppy and it's a boy puppy and you wanted a girl puppy, and they say, well, there's no difference.

Yeah, American.

What the fuck are you talking about?

Like, this is the dumbest conversation ever.

But at least Thaddeus is the guy who'll have the debate.

Most of the left won't even talk about that.

Yeah, but it's not a good one.

You just talk in circles.

It's nonsense.

It's nonsense.

You talk in circles.

Yeah.

Like, I thought we were on the same page.

I was like, no.

Way off.

You're saying nonsense.

And does he have kids?

I don't think he does.

I'm not sure.

I shouldn't say that.

I have no idea.

But the bottom line is, biology is really simple.

Double X, X, Y.

Sometimes there's a mistake.

Sometimes there's an error and you get X X Y.

Sometimes you get hermaphrodites and there's

that is a real thing.

That's over.

But it's super fucking rare.

What this is is a social contagion.

And Abigail Schreier wrote a fantastic book about it called Irreversible Damage that she highlights how they're happening in these clusters of a lot of girls who are autistic.

Yes.

And let's get to the bottom of that.

What's causing all that?

How come one in every 12 kids who's a boy in California has autism now?

Because that's what's going on.

That's what's going on in California, which has one of the strictest fucking vaccine policies.

One in 12.

Did I say vaccines cause autism?

Maybe I will hit a little bit more.

RFK is getting to that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Now Florida doesn't demand vaccines.

Yeah, that's dangerous to me.

I knew you.

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Of course, it's dangerous, Brian.

What are you talking about?

Tall vaccines.

So so

tetanus, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you need to bail on the tetanus thing because Suzanne Humphreys

explained tetanus.

She's not a vaccinologist.

I know that woman.

What are you talking about?

So you're saying she's a medical doctor that absolutely understands tetanus.

She said tetanus, all you have to do is keep the wound open and clean it.

Oh, that's not bullshit.

It's not bullshit.

It's not bullshit.

Do you know how many people die of of tetanus every year?

It's very cute.

What about tetanus?

So let me ask you a question, Mr.

Joe Rogan, Mr.

Scientist.

Are you saying

don't do that?

Don't call me Mr.

Scientist.

I'll start mocking you, and it's so much easier to do.

So are we not, so you don't believe in vaccines?

You don't think we should have vaccines?

It's not that I don't believe in vaccines.

But I don't think you should give a kid a Hep B vaccine when they're a baby.

It's a different subject.

No, MMA vaccine is absolutely connected to a host of serious, debilitating fucking problems that kids have gotten from them.

There's a lot of problems because they don't test vaccines in a double-blind placebo-controlled setting.

Hold on.

They test them against other vaccines.

You know that, right?

Yes, I do.

Excuse me.

Let me just say something.

Yes, you're right.

You can make the argument for Hep B.

Here's why.

Because the chances of a child coming in contact with the kind of activity that causes Hep B is different.

It's a sexually transmitted disease in the middle of the day.

So now you say this, you say this.

That chance is zero.

The chance for vaccine injury with the Hep V B is not zero.

It's non-zero.

Okay, so I understand that math.

What I'm trying to say to you is that there are certain diseases, pick up a history book, smallpox, diphtheria, mumps, holes, have you ever looked at tetanus, polio, paralytic diseases, have you ever polio?

Please stop.

You don't.

I won't.

No, no, no.

I know you think it's Susan Brian Brian.

This is a long conversation that we're not going to have on this podcast because I'm going to get angry because I've researched this for years.

Right.

Let's just.

But you're not a scientist.

I don't have to be a scientist to know this.

Yes, you do.

Brian, shut the fuck up.

I don't have to be a scientist to read research to understand that they were spraying DDT all over the fucking country when everybody was getting polio.

Do you know that?

You know the first instances of polio, they happened in rural communities where they were all farmland and agriculture, and then cows were getting them and horses were getting them and dogs were getting them.

Let me make a statement.

They were calling it paralytic polio.

Do you agree with the following statement?

It's not just.

I'm not going to do this with you.

But it's not just about...

I brought up that.

It's not just about

it.

Hold on, Joe.

No, Brian, I don't want to do this with you.

But it's not about.

We're in the middle of a fight companion.

It's annoying.

All right, but it's like.

Yeah, yeah.

But be vaccinated.

No, it's anti-vax.

It's not anti-vax.

Questioning why there's so many, though.

My kids are all vaccinated.

And they're vaccinated, but they went on a delayed schedule.

They delayed the schedule.

So did mine.

So did mine.

You're not?

Yeah.

Yeah, good for you.

I don't think you need to.

No, they're healthy as fuck.

Yeah.

Between the two of them, they have 12 touchdowns this week.

Two home runs.

I think the problem is that the pharmaceutical drug companies have an exemption because of what they did in the 1980s with Reagan, where they allowed them to never worry about being sued.

And that's when they ramped up the fucking schedule.

And that's also the correlation.

When you look at all the fucking host of all sorts of diseases and issues, you're just looking at the same thing.

Just look at autism.

It's through.

Autism is just one.

There's a lot of other autoimmune issues.

There's a lot of like serious problems.

I think there are three things that have pushed our us beyond our biology and the reason we don't have a lot of children dying.

in nutrition sanitation and vaccines and I think anybody who says otherwise is you know I think it's crazy but you can't say all vaccines B I didn't say all vaccines

because he's not saying all vaccines

but he's not saying all vaccines it sounds like he is Brian you don't know what the fuck I'm saying you don't well I know because you're you don't want to talk about it Brian I don't want to talk about it in the middle of a podcast because it'll completely derail the podcast and I'll start showing you statistics if you look at when people stopped getting all of these diseases and then when the introduction of vaccines happened, it's at the end, after the diseases had already gone through the population.

Most of those diseases were eradicated by sanitation and nutrition.

There was a huge problem in this country.

People were living in fucking squalor.

I agree, but there's still pathogens that are very dangerous.

Sure, there are.

So the problem is that these pharmaceutical drug companies are fucking insanely, entirely corrupt.

They have been corrupt for a long, fucking time.

And there's a revolving door between the FDA and these pharmaceutical drug corporations.

They go from the FDA into these positions.

They have this golden parachute, and then they ramp up the fucking schedule every year.

And it's not about public health.

None of it is about looking out for you.

All of it is about making money.

That's the problem.

Who wants to do some smelling salts?

Okai's good.

This guy's good.

Who wants to do some smelling salt?

Chuck one over here, Jamie.

We got some?

Where's Okai from?

It's from your mother's pussy.

Hey, that's out fine.

Hey, that fucking that burn is too far.

Joe and I always have these arguments, Gordon.

Yes.

This one's weak.

Is it?

Yeah, it's a little old.

It's a little old.

Get you going, though.

What are they like?

Look at it.

We got seven of them over here.

God, get you some, Brian.

Get that big.

Besides to watch some fucking dick noise.

Besides to watch your friend suffer, what are the actual...

I don't know.

Let's find out.

Pop one of those, see if it cures your tummy.

It wakes you up, though.

It might help your stomach.

Or it could make me nauseous.

We'll see.

Yeah, it could be fucking projectile bombers on the Buddha.

Great.

Don't do it, Gordon.

You might throw up.

That's good for you.

This one's basically dead.

What is it actually supposed to do, though?

It just jolts your system.

This guy's got a powerlifter.

He's got like a drift.

You go to the green room.

He's got like 30 bottles.

I gave everybody a dick.

Once you gave me it, I was like, I want more of that shit.

Once I do it once, I want to keep doing it.

Is it supposed to wake you up?

Yeah, it'll wake you up.

Guys that'll do it before they lift super heavy.

Go for the PRs.

I'm in spike shit right now.

Just a party.

Hey, just to get away from the vaccines before he's broken.

I brought it up.

I was hoping you

right after we sniffed it, Brian was going to bring vaccines back up.

You're going to take it over.

Dude, Joe and I talked about another.

Joe and I used to have arguments about acting class.

We'd get in shouting fights.

He used to tell me that vitamins weren't necessary.

Vitamins aren't necessary.

I talk to him.

I'm taking fucking vitamins.

Vitamins don't work.

They don't do anything.

This is me and him at a fucking restaurant in Seattle.

Prime meeting, please shut the fuck up.

Yeah, but then I started taking vitamins.

I called him up.

I go, dude, I feel great.

He goes, fucking, I know.

I wish you could go back in time and not take vaccines.

He goes, why am I so healthy?

I never got psoriasis.

This is crazy.

Hey, shut up.

Turns out I had autism the whole time now.

Dude, we've been in Austin for how many months now?

I've been trying to give him a ways to whale for how long?

I went finally freaking out.

I got my levels tested.

Dude, how is Waza to Whites?

My test?

The best.

So I just just got my levels test with Brigham.

It was awesome.

And I got stem cells.

Nice.

So check this out.

I worked out at

Archetype.

This is Marvin Vittori's brother?

Is it?

They look very similar.

I worked out.

I meant to call you about this.

So I work out, and I kind of forgot I had to go.

So I probably shouldn't have worked out.

Didn't sleep much.

But my test is...

Lowest it's ever been, which is 785.

Not bad for me.

That's very good.

Not bad, right?

That's very good.

Now, my free, though, is

low.

It's like 45.

And she said it should should be 151.

But then I did a bunch of research on chat GPT with PubMed, and I looked at, I talked to a couple of other doctors, and they said, if your test is that high, because I have a lot of energy, they go, just be careful because you got to test it again.

So she, at Waste Well, they go, we don't want to put you on anything yet because we want to test because your magnesium is a little low and your DHEA or whatever it is.

So they're going to put me on that because my test is really high.

Yeah, just take TRT again.

No, hold on.

No, no, no, he's right.

So take magnesium is huge.

You talk low magnesium, that's huge.

Yeah, yeah.

And I talked about

Mike Isratel, who gave me that.

He told me, I said, if I wanted to get huge, give me the steroids.

It's not possible.

And he goes,

you don't mind if your liver becomes styrofoam?

I go, just fucking hit me with it.

He gave me the stack.

I saw that coming.

Oh, dude, it's great.

Yeah, he's a freak.

He's amazing.

What was he talking?

Decka and all that?

He's got his PhD.

He's telling you to take DECA and everything.

Well, and also, he's on everything.

Oh, yeah.

Have you had him on?

He's hilarious.

Oh, I love that guy.

Here we go.

Shit, I think the comain events next okie and Jones.

Is the Komane next?

Yep, nice, nice.

That's what I'm looking for.

Me too.

Rufi and Benoit.

If you had the gun to your head, who do you have?

Imavav or

Bahalo.

Imavov has like it's uh, this is Bahalio's toughest fight, I think, in the UFC.

Imavat has a better strength of schedule, too.

I usually go by that, yeah.

Yeah, he's definitely faced the tougher competition.

He's coming off of a KO of one of the all-time greats.

I don't think either one gets

fucking popped in.

Oh,

Oh, damn.

Oh, please end fast.

I don't think

he's getting dinged.

He's getting dinged.

Tough, though.

There you go.

Yeah, well, he's moving.

He's definitely moving, but he keeps getting popped on a chin.

I don't think the winner of Imavav in this fight, Hamzat.

No.

I think the winner of Fluffy in an RDR fight.

Because I think that's more like you end in a finish.

Jones has got a fucking chin, I'll tell you that.

Because this dude gets keeps crap

and Oki can crap yikes, and he's throwing haymakers at him.

Yeah, I think looking like a young Kevin Randall man.

Bajalo's

defense is really good, striking-wise.

Well, he's really good all around.

That team, that fighting nerds team, is so crushing it.

Are they

so good?

Yeah, they're so good.

Where are they out of?

Brazil, Brazil.

Yeah, yeah, they're that's uh Jean Silva, that's Carlos Pratez, Mauricio Ruffi, Barhalio, Very nice.

Now, Michael Oleksajuk, he's over there with them now.

Wow.

Came over from Poland.

He's like, fuck it, let's go.

I feel like those Poles and stuff, those Russians, have such good fundamentals in defense.

They have good bones.

Yeah.

Like when Jan Bohovich used to fucking go shin to shin with people.

Yeah, Magamanov was just fucking limping all over the place.

Like, what the fuck are you doing?

Just going shin to shin with him.

Crack.

He's such a dense dude.

My shins are like fucking

touch him.

You flick him.

Vaccines.

That's all those vaccines.

Vaccines.

I got bird bones.

I would have been a great fighter if I didn't have bird bones.

See, I'd like to see DDP at light heavy.

Really?

Yeah.

I think you'd fuck some dudes up.

Don't you think they would out-wrestle him there?

The problem with that guy is now after what Hamzat did to him, everyone's going to out-wrestle him.

The words out.

If you get in the right matchups, then if he got the ankle heavy.

The thing is, though, most guys are not at Hamzat's level.

Most people aren't as good at

keeping, at riding

as Hamzat.

Oh, my God.

It's turned around.

Look at this.

Oh,

my God.

No, he doesn't have it under.

He's laying down.

I'll tell you what, too.

Look at this.

This guy's got tired.

I mean, you got to think how much energy he blew.

Pretty good at riding chest to chest, and he's much better than pretty much everyone at riding chest to back.

Dude, I went to Hamzat's camp, and I didn't want to be biased.

I called Joe when I left.

I went, dude.

I've never seen anyone look like that.

And I was like, I've been out of the game a little bit.

Last person I saw that dominant in camp was John.

Dude, I'm talking national champion wrestlers, all-American wrestlers, world-class jujitsu guys.

He was fucking them up and was kind of going light.

And then the coach yelled something and whatever, Chechen, and he just fucking mopped the floor with everybody.

Back to back to back.

Do you think that Bo Nickel has taken a little page from that whole game, which is, I'm going to just blast W or grab.

We're going to find out.

They just announced it.

Yeah, but what do you do with Brennan?

It's different, though.

Yeah, when he fought Reiner DeRitter, first of all, what do you do?

You're going to get him to the ground?

And then what happens?

You're going to get strangled.

Like, DeRitter is way better

with Jiu-Jitsu.

Way better with Jiu-Jitsu.

And what if he reverses you and gets you on your back?

Yeah.

You know, like, so he didn't want that.

Also, DeRitter is way better.

So that's why he didn't.

DeRitter's 6'4, and he's a giant 185.

Giant.

He's big.

Bo Nikko could fight.

Oh!

Oh, my God.

Gonna fight.

Oh, wow.

Oh, wow.

Let it go.

Damn.

These guys are exhausted.

This was a crazy first round.

Yeah, it was.

But now that this guy weathered the storm, what a fucking chin, Jones.

Dude, what a chin.

Because this dude takes some bombs.

Other dudes are gassed.

Is everybody going to move into a crucifix now, too, after that fucking DDP fight?

How many times did he get him in a crucifix?

Man, dude, last time you saw that was.

I think it was like a full five minutes he had him control.

Bananas.

But it wasn't doing too much damage there.

But I still think it's a mistake where people are like, oh, the Hamzat style is boring.

It's like, whoa, whoa.

whoa, whoa.

That's how he fought DDP.

These next guys, like, he's a finisher, man.

He's a fucking savage.

Yeah.

Well, he wanted to win, right?

It's got to keep more of it.

But also,

to your point, Joe, he wanted to win.

It's also his first time.

And I know it's Hamzad and he's this big, there's all this hype.

Remember, it's his first chance at a title.

You're fighting DDP.

You don't want to risk it on your feet.

But he even went in the corner with Shrookin was in his corner.

He goes, I want to stand.

Shruken goes, absolutely not.

Keep doing what you're doing.

We have it in the bag.

He's like, keep keep doing what you're doing

he also he also learned a valuable lesson because if you look at his fights in the past like the big the big question was cardio was cardio was will will he will he fade in the fourth and fifth whereas ddp just never see i don't think that got answered because if i if you did a ufc fight and you were just on top the whole time doing jiu-jitsu i don't find out much about that because that that's what you go right but he learned an important lesson from it that if if you can ride the guy and make him carry body weight for the full amount for the full time of the match, it doesn't matter how good the cardio is, there's such a discrepancy in work rate that even if his even if his VO2 max is much higher than yours, he's going to get fast tired significantly faster.

So, he learned a tactical lesson where he just basically just recreated what Khabib does.

Like with Gilbert, he was just striking the whole time, and you saw he started to get also.

Gilbert has a guard.

Yeah.

Gilbert has a very dangerous guard, and I think that was part of the problem.

And he was compromised at 170, I think.

He's so big.

How he got to 70?

I'm like, what?

Yeah, I think you're right.

Compromised at 170.

What cutscene?

That wake cut was brutal.

He's a legit 6'2, isn't he?

He's big.

Oh, yeah.

And he's strong as shit, man, which is really crazy that he got himself to 170 and still maintained any strength.

That wrestling strength?

Christ.

Yeah, I don't know who's going to beat him at 85.

Bro, Oki is tie Erd.

He is Tyrd.

He's went all out to get the finish.

Well, Chale Sunnin famously said that once.

If you go for a finish and you do not get it, you won't win a decision.

It's not always.

It's not always a case.

It's interesting.

But it's a very astute quote.

Yeah, you'd use all your adrenaline.

Oof.

Getting tossed.

What do you think of Jail in those matches with the two?

Two buggy chokes.

I heard that was a kind of exhibition, though.

They looked fake.

Yeah.

Looked like a work?

Yeah, it looked fake.

Yeah, I believe it was fake.

I think it would have happened anyway.

Perhaps.

Against Carlos.

I mean, I think they tapped them once before in a real match.

Yeah, they had a match at ATC.

JL also took it on like a day notice.

Yeah.

So that's how that should go.

I'm sure he was in mid-camp anyway.

Gordon, have you ever rolled with any of those high-level Russian wrestlers or taggies?

No.

I mean, there's some sambo guys.

We had a couple of smaller guys that used to train out of Ricardo Almedo's camp.

But like none of the big guys, no.

It was really.

I was listening to you talk about the importance of watching, studying the minutiae, like tape, like sitting there and watching, like almost the way a football player watches tape.

Nobody does that, no?

They do.

They do.

I'm saying with jiu-jitsu.

They do, but most people just don't know what to look for.

Oh, nice spinning elbow.

Yeah, you just break it down.

They look for the wrong things or just surface-level things most of the time.

Like Sarukian and Hamzat would watch hours of tape.

Really?

And they'd watch it with no commentary, and they'd watch hours and hours to pick up tendencies from the guy.

And if the guy only did it once, they'd watch like five of his fights.

If you only did a move once, it's on his rebel.

So they're watching tape all the time.

All pros are.

At this level, you don't make money.

But if you look at the wrestling that the Dagestani guys do in fighting, there's no real place to study that wrestling.

You have to create your own system because it's not jiu-jitsu.

It's not wrestling.

Like, if you look at freestyle wrestlers, freestyle wrestlers, historically in the UFC, don't hold anybody down.

Like, they you get they the takedowns are scored by the actual takedowns in freestyle wrestling.

Yeah, I always wondered why

that's a good point.

Not control.

Yeah, the takedown and when you're fighting means nothing.

It's the control that actually scores.

Like, can you hold the guy down and actually keep him down and do damage?

That's why the Daggies are dominant.

Is that why Joel Romero never used his wrestling?

Because he was so I think this was a cardio issue.

Yeah, really?

Yeah.

So he would put guys down, but he wouldn't hold them down.

Yeah, no.

Like when Khabib and Hamza put guys down.

Oh, Jones is fucking okay

keep them down or george put put a guy down like he would he keep them down yep okie's in real trouble and you know george did a better job at punishing guys as they got up

oh these elbows

and khabib did a better job of oh my god of controlling of controlling them making them carry body weight

so jones has some fucking cardio man because this is a crazy pace

and they're in the middle of the second he's just smashing

oh my god he's gonna go out there he's gonna go out co-main event baby.

Coming hot.

Wow.

What a comeback.

What'd you say?

Paul Craig's fighting first.

Oh, Paul Craig.

That's my favorite guy to watch when he's on his back.

Yeah, he's good.

Because

Paul Craig can pull some shit off.

He's one of the rare guys.

I think he's lost six times.

He's lost to eight.

Yeah, he loses.

But he just, UFC just resigned him.

Oh, he's fighting Medustis Bukakis.

He's fun to watch.

I like him at Light Heavyweight, too.

When he got down the middleweight, I was like, boy, how hard is that?

You're so big.

Are there any Americans left?

There's no Americans.

There's no American champions champions in here.

Right?

Kayla Harrison.

Oh, Kayla Harrison.

She's the only one.

Males.

No males.

I don't know.

Is she going to fight Nunez at 45?

At the White House.

35?

35.

Make it 45 for her.

I mean, that's just painful.

She made 35 to win the title.

That's the champ.

She's the champ at 35.

That fight's at the White House.

She was at the White House yesterday, I think.

How did she say that?

It is kind of crazy that Amanda Nunes has been the 45-pound champion, and then they just abandoned the weight class.

Yeah.

Because there's like three big bitches.

And she was running through them.

You know, like

Kayla.

Yeah, I saw Kayla at one of the USCs and just like when she was probably 175.

I mean, it's obscene.

She's thick.

She looks like Glazen Teebow.

She's incredible.

She's just incredible.

She's like just incredible, like just, you know, a body like that.

I'm too light in the ass, but, you know, I appreciate it.

Yeah, would you like her to grab you and just throw you around?

Shuttle jump.

If she only had a huge cob.

Stump in my mouth against my will.

If she only had a beard in her car, she's my type.

She'd be more of my time.

She's not in the cob.

One of them beards, like Gordon Ryan-type special operator beards.

No, I think she's.

Yeah, she's a pretty girl.

And you're talking about the greatest judoka ever out of America.

And Joanna.

Yinjenjek, when she's,

I thought she was very hot.

You don't see her when she's all skinny and stuff.

I saw her at the UFC in a dress.

She looks a lot better now.

Jesus, yeah.

Yeah,

she's starving herself to make

that weight her whole life.

She was great, great fighter.

But Kayla Harrison's supposedly, that's the, she's going to fight in the White House guard.

Valentina Shevshenko is, I find her very attractive.

Cool.

I'm going to share that with you guys.

You like how she got a gun tattooed on her hip?

I do this face.

Yes, I do.

Wow.

Yes, I do, sir.

It's very attractive.

She's a real-life black widow.

You would take kinda out of that sentence.

She's the real-life black widow, like the lady from the Avengers.

Yeah, shoots guns.

Yeah, like really good, too.

She's a really good markswoman, I guess you would say.

And she's fighting Wele.

Yeah,

that's going to be

very fun to watch.

Well, at this point in her career, it seems to me that she doesn't wade into the fire like she did when she was younger.

She's smarter, yeah.

Yeah, I mean, you can't.

Because she grapples heavy, too.

She's a very good grappler.

Very good grappler.

But Zhang Wei Li is a demon.

She's a demon.

Chinese demon.

She comes out, and she could do everything.

Artificially curved.

She's got to deal with that wrestling, though.

That's the one thing.

Shafshanko's got that edge.

Yeah, well, it's going to be interesting.

It's going to be interesting to see if Zhang Wei Li is even stronger at 125.

Because I don't know how much weight she's cutting.

I don't know how hard that 115 cut is.

But when you're down that low, 10 pounds is a giant difference.

Everything.

It's so big.

There's never been any movement on just making another weight class in the middle of that.

God, there should be.

There should be a weight class.

It's not happening.

It should be never happening.

There should be a weight class every 10 pounds for men.

Boxing.

Yeah.

No, boxing is a lot more.

Boxing is a lot more.

It's just.

They just need it where there's tweeners.

Like 85 to 205 is bananas.

20 pounds is crazy.

Well, hold up.

Remember, I would fight at 230, 235.

Every guy I fought was 265.

Right.

Think about from 206 to 265 is a weight class.

That's insane.

It is insane.

Really, I should be a cruiser weight.

Yeah.

It should be a 225 weight class.

Remember, we were trying to figure out that name the other day for the weight class in boxing.

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I think they're calling it BridgerWait.

There's like a 220-something weight class.

Meanwhile, the gorilla over here couldn't make 225.

And he'll tell you he can, but he could.

Well, he could, but it would be hard.

I couldn't.

It would be dehydration.

I could, because I'm not doing tons of cardio now.

If Pereira can make 185, he can make it.

He's got big bones.

But the thing is, like, big, strong muscle guys actually can lose more weight.

That's why Yoel could do it because your muscles are mostly weight.

Oh, is that right?

That makes sense.

Yeah, bridger weight.

That's it.

We couldn't remember what that was the other day.

That's an awesome idea.

Yeah.

It's a good move.

I think that they should have legitimately a weight class every 10 pounds in MMA, and I don't think that's bad.

You have a ton of talent.

205, and you can get a little crazy there and go 205, 225.

And then I think for heavyweight, it should be unlimited.

It shouldn't be you have to make two slopes.

So what?

Big sloppies get fucked up.

They don't have a problem with that in boxing.

They already have big sloppies now.

Yeah.

Look at Moses Aitama, right?

Boxing doesn't have a problem with that, right?

That kid is only like 250 or something like that, or 240-something like that.

I mean, the UFC has a problem at 265.

Like, there's no talent right now.

There's no big guys.

Right, but you don't have to be 265.

You could be 300.

You could be 205.

You could literally.

Like Brock Lesnar.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, look at Brock Lesnar or Francis if he didn't cut weight.

Like Francis cuts weight or Tim Sylvey in his prime when he was

saucy.

What is

manufacturing big guys right now?

Francis.

Yeah, I think Francis at his highest is probably around 300.

Wow, that's right.

I had dinner with him one night, and he was 295.

What?

295.

Seriously?

All muscle.

And there's no fat on him.

No.

I was sitting next to him and his fucking quad, like his leg, was like the size of my fucking torso.

Jesus Christ.

So he had to cut weight to get to 265.

What?

Imagine that.

So did Carwin.

So did Lesnar.

Yep.

Some of those boys did that.

So horny right now.

Mark Hunt.

Mark Hunt.

I remember when I was training at a Mal Easton's place in Boulder and Carwin walked in.

It didn't even look like a human being.

It looked like one of the Avengers.

It was like the thing.

He looked like the thing.

First time I met Carwin, I look at him and I go, I go, fuck.

I go, I don't know what I'd do if I had to share a jail cell with you.

And he goes, I didn't even know him.

He goes, you'd suck my cock.

And then he picked me up.

I didn't even know he picked me up.

And he squeezed me.

And I started tapping.

He goes, that's 30%.

That dude had giant fists.

Yeah.

His fists were preposterous.

4X, 4X, right?

It was 4 and 5X.

Yeah.

Something big.

Yeah, he was 285 when I went to the 100.

He had the biggest glove ever.

UFC history.

He was your main sparring partner, right?

It was good for your head.

That's all I had.

Just punching each other in the face.

It was a great team.

We pushed each other.

Bro, how good is Lerone Murphy?

Fucking good.

How about poor Aaron Pico?

Yeah.

Is that what they're going to do?

They did it.

What do you mean?

Got knocked out.

Lerone Murphy

fucking spinning elbow Aaron Pico.

Oh, oh, oh, oh.

I thought you said Poirier and Pico.

Sorry, I got speech impediment.

I thought you said that.

I was like, what?

The Poirier, what?

I was so confused.

I was like, Pico's going to 55, but he just got knocked down.

He looked so good.

I got maxed.

Pico looked so good.

He looked so good, man.

Yeah, he's so slick.

He's too aggressive.

You said it.

Pico's slow.

Look at even Pico.

Pico took him down.

Yeah.

Amazing wrestler.

Yeah.

And couldn't hold him down.

Yeah.

That's right.

Good point.

That's a good point.

Right?

If you had that daggy wrestling,

you could control him more.

But even the first 20 seconds, and I looked at my wife, I go, Pico's going to get knocked out.

She's like, what the fuck?

I'm like, he's way too aggressive.

You can get away being that aggressive at these these lower levels, Bellator, PFL, all that shit.

When you're fighting a world-class guy, dude, they're going to use that aggression against you, and you're going to get fucked up.

You're not just going to get starched.

You're going to get so fucked up.

I thought it was a lucky shot.

And then I was like,

of course you did.

Yeah, I don't know.

That's the vaccines talking.

Yeah, that's the vaccine.

It's the vaccines.

There's a few guys.

Oh, look at that fucking...

What is that choke?

Is that an Anaconda?

Oh, I didn't see the start of it.

Look how he gets over him and starts barking.

Jeez.

He's in that fight nerd camp, right?

Yes, yes.

He's one of the best.

That's a good fight.

That's a really good fight.

Him and Lopez.

It's in San Antonio, in it?

Next Saturday.

He's supposed to be in Mexico.

Yeah.

Yeah, Lopez got.

Who did he lose to?

The last fight?

Who was it?

Vukanovsky.

The James.

Guy Volkanovsky.

So fucking good.

To come back, by the way, at that weight class, too.

At his age?

At his age.

They should go Murphy versus Volkanovsky.

I talked to him.

I'm Rob Fontes doing his camp with us.

There's the choke, if you want to analyze it, Gordon.

It looks like a figure four guillotine, but Bryce tried to turn out of it.

Jesus.

I think it started when he was chest to back.

Yeah.

Remember, that was Bryce's discipline fight because he praised Hillary.

It's a figure four guillotine, and he tried to turn out, but he didn't.

Oh, he couldn't.

You're not getting out of it.

Yikes.

Yeah, I talked to O'Malley about, like, I said, what is it about Murab, his chain wrestling and stuff?

And he was like,

he's so, he's actually, he said, Sean said, he's fucking strong.

He's way stronger than you can imagine.

Like, he's just, you know, some of these guys are just made of metal.

That motherfucker worked so hard.

Murab?

Yeah.

It was so hard.

When DC went to visit him, the day

after he won the title off of Sean, he was running.

Wow.

The day after DC went to his home in Vegas and he goes, Murab's out running.

And DC made a video.

Can you believe this motherfucker?

He's a freak.

He showed his gym.

The day after the fight.

The day after the fight.

So Sunday, he went to visit his friend who just won the title.

Murab is running.

Well, dude,

when he was wrestling with the gold medalist Henry Sejudo, he was winking and saying shit to Mark Zuckerberg at Cage Side.

He's like, I'm in the final.

How about he picked him up?

Picked him up,

kissed his back.

Yeah, just threw him to the ground, laughed.

Murab has the best weapon in UFC history.

Cardio?

It's cardio.

He's also just so good.

It's strong.

And what you got to like about him is he's super active.

Most champions aren't.

He wants to fight all the time.

That's a thousand pounds.

Well, he trains so hard and he trains constantly and you know when i talk to guys who train with him in the gym they're like you can't even watch just watching him hit pads is nuts really he just does everything full blast full blast all the time and so he's gotten acclimated to just this insane workload and he loves it yeah same work rate also he's from a part of the world where like George is tough yeah that's tough because you have one option

one option fight your way DC was on Shay Shay show Shannon Sharps and they were they were asking him they're like what is about the Dagestanians and uh DC gave a great answer.

I love the interview.

He goes, It's not that they're better athletes or that they any of that stuff, they're not better athletes than we are.

It's just they have no other option.

So, like, because Shannon goes, Well, your son has all the resources.

He goes, Yeah, but over there, they have nothing.

So, my son has all the resources.

He's, yeah, he's like, They have to make it.

Where my son can fall back on his dad over there, there's no fallback.

So, they train their ass off because they have to.

Also, the hunger, the drive

to succeed.

And in Russia, it's supported.

Those countries, like, you get a doctorate in boxing and shit.

Like, you know,

you get a safe stipend.

Yeah.

Khabib for winning the championship owns like half of Russia.

Yes, he does.

That's the award.

Yeah, like try to get him to fight again, man.

He's like, what?

Why?

Why would I do that?

Why would I put myself through that?

Plus, he's got to weigh 200 pounds now.

Yeah.

He's very thick.

He's big.

His boy.

I think Islam only has like two or three left, max.

Maybe two left.

Really?

Yeah.

What makes you think that?

In his interview, he's talked about it.

Really?

Yeah.

Dude, John Fitch said when he would wrestle, and John Fitch is an insane wrestler, and John's probably 200 pounds walking around.

John said, in fact, he was 205 when I was talking to him.

And he said when he would wrestle Khabib, if he could stand up once in practice with him, it was a good day.

Jesus.

Like, that's John Fitch.

It is very fascinating what you're saying, Gordon, that there is a giant difference between just regular freestyle wrestling and control-based MMA wrestling.

Yeah, it's completely different.

Different rules, different scoring criteria.

Like, the takedowns themselves score, and the higher amplitude the throw, the more points you score.

Whereas when you're fighting, especially at the heavier weights, you don't want to lift a guy fucking over your back multiple times.

You get tired, and

the more energy the throw, the higher amplitude, the less control you have when you land.

Americans just need to adapt to that style.

Again, they don't have some secret.

It's just we we need to adapt our style to it.

Yeah, but they adapt it early on, and that's the secret.

But there's so much to it, though.

There's so much to it.

But if you look at the Pakistani guys, they are significantly better than the Americans and everyone at riding chest to chest, and especially riding chest to back.

It's pretty easy to hold the guy down if you just stuff him in half guard and you ride chest to chest.

But when the guys start to turtle and they turn away, like...

Khabib, the only thing that ever fucked up Khabib was when guys Grammied on him.

Like a guy, I forget who he fought early in his career Grambied a few times and actually got away actually reversed the quintum

yeah and then um but and then Hamzat actually follows Grambies pretty well like DDP tried one Gramby I think it was and Hamzat followed through yeah but their ability to ride chest to back and just keep hands on the floor the whole time so the entire weight the entire like for like 22 minutes

DDP was carrying Hamza's entire body weight it's also their wrist control

so they take they take away their foundations yeah one of the most anxiety-filled moments I ever had calling a fight was when he got Michael Johnson and when Khabib got Michael Johnson in a Kimura and Michael wasn't tapping.

I'm like,

please tap, please tap, please tap.

Because it was like full on.

And he gave me, if he wanted to, he could have snapped his shit.

Was that when he was talking to him saying, come on,

he said, you know I deserve this.

You know I deserve title shot.

You know I deserve it.

Come on, tap.

Tap now.

That would have been like, you know, you're right.

What was actually interesting in the Hamdot fight was, and no one talked about this, was he actually ended up in bottom position at the end of of the fight yes and he ended up in half guard he couldn't get up and ddp passed him into mount and then briefly took his back he fucked it up and he fell off so everyone forgot about it but hamsdot himself wasn't that good at getting up when he was in bottom position yeah that's a good point he's very good he did a really good job at holding the guy down but when he actually got put in bottom position

it's it's funny because if he's he knows how to hold the guy down so in theory he should be able to reverse engineer that and say yeah i'm doing this this and this to hold the guy down, so I need to deny him the ability to do this, this, and this.

But I'd be curious in Hamzat's camp how often guys are getting him where he's working on his back.

Nobody is.

Yeah, probably nobody.

Well,

that's his problem.

He should be putting himself in those positions.

100%.

You know, another good matchup that's coming?

Bo Nickel is fighting.

Oh, I just saw that.

I forget who it is, though.

Jiu-Jitsu.

Rodolphov.

Adolfo.

Adolpho.

Yeah.

What about him?

Is he a really great jiu-jitsu?

World champion.

Have you ever seen his body?

Adolfo Violet.

He makes Glazing Tebow look like a fatso.

Yeah.

Show me Rodolfo Vieira's body.

Have you ever seen Hodolfo?

Adolfo Vieza.

Bro, he's a great freaki guy.

He's a jiu-jitsu guy.

Oh my God.

He's got one of the freakiest bodies you've ever seen in MMA.

And an amazing jiu-jitsu guy.

World-less jiu-jitsu.

That's a tough matchup for Adolfo.

Damn it.

Oh, that guy's fucking awesome.

I saw him at Metamorras.

Bro, he's a beast.

He fought somebody.

He's ridiculous.

He's a beast.

Yeah, I'm built for dance.

This is such bullshit.

Look at that.

But in MMA, his striking is much improved.

He's getting a lot better.

He's getting better.

He has some experience.

It's a good fight for Bo.

He's better than fucking Puffo Cup.

That just shows you how fucking dangerous Fluffy Hernandez is, because Fluffy cooked him.

He finished him.

Fluffy will be fucking people up.

He fucks people up.

He's like,

someone was calling him the middleweight Marab.

And it's like that.

Like, he melts guys.

He melts guys.

And it's interesting because he doesn't have like a world-class background in wrestling.

He quit wrestling, I think, his freshman year in high school.

So he doesn't have like this extensive wrestling background.

remember remember you me and matt mitrion we were backstage and radolpha had his shirt off and he's just standing like that

when

it was at your vibe me me matt mitron and you and i and we were both look we were all looking at him like this just like like like teenage girls it's like the is going on with that guy's body he is a preposterous build

preposterous

it's interesting though how

he doesn't have a lot of submissions in the ufc no guys avoid it guys avoid it keep you on the feet you know it It was like Bouchesha, too.

He came over, you know, he's doing well in one championship, then came over the UFC, and he got fucking dealt with, man.

I love Bouchesha, but just didn't translate.

And then Boudet, the guy who beat him, they cut.

Yeah.

I didn't watch that fight, but from what I understand, Bouchesha had a hard time holding him down.

He had his back so many times, but he was getting high.

It's like, buddy, I need to know.

How does a guy win a fight and then you cut him?

Boring.

The UFC is there for entertainment.

They did that.

Was it that boring?

I mean, that's how you're supposed to fight that guy.

You could say Hamza's fight with DDP was boring then.

Oh, I loved it.

But I see what you're saying.

I see what you're saying.

But with him, it's heavyweight, no finishes, and he had a body of a lunch lady.

They're like, but we can't sell this.

I understand.

You're the toughest lunch lady in the world.

We can't fucking sell it.

Talking off of win against Bouchet is kind of rough.

I agree.

Bouchesh had a lot of hype coming.

They didn't cut him.

They didn't re-sign them.

That's the same thing.

Hey, tomato test.

not your boy dana i'm the dana i'm the data i would be the worst for that because i'm in i would be like anti-marketing i would be there's the number system let's figure out what the number system is so number one the champion always has to fight number two yeah that's trying to make money though yeah i get it but i mean i feel like we're trying to see what the best guy is if it's football hey what baseball or anything like that like you have to you do this and that's how you get you get to the number one you'll see it in craig's got to be careful that overhand right now.

But

they'll make more money than me.

They'll make way more money than my version, which takes place on a football field.

Dude, you and Eddie in that fucking football field and no gloves.

No gloves.

Can we not argue that with them?

No gloves.

Yes.

Years of argument.

Up kicks allowed.

Up kicks allowed.

Soccer kicks allowed.

Stomps allowed.

Surprise.

Old pride.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But better.

God.

Because pride didn't have elbows.

True.

Which is really bananas when you think about it.

That's where they drew the line.

Think what Rampage Jackson did.

Do you remember when

Ricardo Rona, that crazy slam off the triangle?

Yeah.

Now imagine that's okay.

But you can't elbow a guy.

No, that's where we're going to get away.

Pride even out standing elbows.

Like man, you're like stomps like stomp kicking kids.

Did Pride even have standing elbows?

I don't remember

when elbow press on.

That's wild.

So crazy.

When you see Crocop soccer kick a guy in the face.

Yeah.

They're like, that's good.

That is so crazy.

They didn't even allow standing elbows.

That's where they draw the line, dude.

They used to have headbutts.

You could be in somebody's car and just start netting.

No, no, no, no.

That was UFC.

That was early days.

They used to do that.

Early Pride?

Yeah, maybe Early Days of Pride had that.

Because Early Days of Pride was like 94.

And there was still headbutts back then.

Because I remember when I was working for the UFC in 97, Mark Coleman was using headbutts from the guard.

They'd use headbutts, yeah.

Yep, and with wrestling shoes on.

Jesus, come on.

Yeah, bro.

Everybody got on the sauce when Mark Coleman was around.

Everybody got saucy.

That's a rumor.

Everybody got saucy because that dude would hold you down and headbutt the fuck out of you.

Do you want to talk about somebody on the sauce when you look at Mark Kerr and his hayday?

Oh, my goodness.

Cast in America besides Randy.

I was there.

She was like 285.

I was there when Kerr.

He wrestled at 188 in college, senior year, I believe.

And he was 260.

And then he was like, this is gay.

I was there when I'm going to 285.

Kerr, when Kerr fought Dan Bobe, and he stuck his chin in his eye.

Stuck his chin in his eye socket and grabbed the back of his neck.

I'll tap.

Look, that's me interviewing him.

I was with you, Bubba.

Size of that motherfucker.

I was with you.

We went to that fight, and we talked to him afterwards.

Crazy.

How about that picture of him next to it?

The sad truth.

Oh, my God, that's crazy.

How about the rock had to get on more steroids to play him in a biopic?

That's how big Mark Kerr was.

They're like, hey, Rock, we need you to play Mark Kerr.

We need you to get him on more steroids.

Rock got like they got an eight-minute standing.

Natural, dude.

Yeah, I'll natural.

Rock lost a lot of weight.

He lost a lot of weight.

Have you seen him now?

He's slimmed down.

I bet getting that big probably felt like shit.

Well, someone's like, hey, your heart's going to explode, right?

And number two, you got to 50.

50, your heart's working overtime.

You don't have to forged internals anymore.

And also, he wants different roles.

He doesn't want to just play the actor.

Right, right, right.

Of course.

Yeah, they all want to do that.

He wants to get into politics.

Batista, that's why he...

Oh, that's right.

Yeah.

He lost all that weight, too.

And people are like, oh, you look so scrawny now.

And he was like, I'm 6'4, 240.

Yeah.

What are you talking about?

He's like, I I need a break, too.

My fucking body.

Like, the difference between him at 300 pounds being very unhealthy.

He's like, I feel so much better now.

Yeah, I saw him in an interview recently.

I love that guy as an actor, but the thing that he did on the Jimmy Kimmel show where he was like mocking Trump and like punching the heavy wag and calling him a

bag of milk.

So cringy.

Who is this?

He's like, you think you're a tough guy?

Yeah.

Fuck, dude.

Okay.

He's 80.

What are you doing, dude?

So cringing the bag?

Like, what is this?

Who said you should do this?

Have you ever seen it?

Because if he wins, this is a bad look.

I bet you got paid, though.

I bet he did.

It's like Travis Kelsey with Pfizer.

Yeah,

like 20?

20 mil.

I was making fun of him.

They told me how much he made.

I get it.

He was.

Yeah, he probably said, give me that Biden dose.

Batista had a middle of the middle.

Yeah.

What's that?

Have you seen Batista had an MMA fight?

He had one MMA fight.

Yeah.

Took a guy down.

I'm proud of you, Jitsu.

Big fucking strong.

You always got to be careful with celebrity belts.

Mattaroya

who's got one that's illegitimate is there because everybody brings up that money bird guy you you trained with him yeah I'm friends with that Gordon Gordon Gordon

Derek everyone thinks that Derek is gonna go out and beat an ADCC champion that's just well that's Paul Craig's about to go of course it's just not how it works

that's not how it's gonna work

but I mean if he trained with like a guy his like he's 45 years old or 42 years old like if he trained trained with like a 42 year old black belt he'd do fine That's all you need to hear.

Because everybody was like so against

saying that because he's rich, but here's the thing: if you're rich and you have discipline,

and oh, did you kill him?

That's it.

Yeah, that's bad.

That's really bad.

Coming events coming up.

That was a weird stop.

It was bad.

No, not really.

It was really bad.

No, no, no, no, no, no.

I mean, like, he stepped away.

Yeah.

Oh, it was after the bell.

Oh, he just waved it off.

Oh, we didn't hear the bell.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

They just waved it off.

Bukakis had the worst fucking knee injury I've ever seen in the UFC.

Really?

Khalil Roundtree sidekicked him in the knee.

Remember that?

It was horrible, dude.

He totally bent his knee sideways and down.

See if you can find that, Jamie, so we can all crunch.

Gordon,

I guess, when it comes to giving that roundtree Audustus Bukakis.

I guess when it comes to giving that rich guy the black belt, I think for people that do jiu-jitsu, it's like there's different levels of the black belt.

Like, if you're never going to compete and he got in, what, two years?

It's three and a half.

That's the thing.

It doesn't fucking matter.

Like, just get better at jujitsu.

The belts are irrelevant.

Good point.

Good point.

Wait, explain irrelevant.

Like, there's just focus on getting better at jiu-jitsu.

The belts are irrelevant.

Agree.

I didn't come up to the market and give him his black belt.

That's what I'm saying.

Yeah.

I mean, listen, I didn't give him his black belt either.

But Jake Shields did it.

Jake Shields is very legit.

And so if he said he's a black belt, I just take it at face value.

No, I don't.

Okay, watch this.

Watch this.

Oh,

jeez.

Bro, and that's Khalil Roundtree, who's one of the nastiest fucking kickers in the sport.

Nia is shot.

Oh, look at him.

He's just laying there in agony.

And you know that's 10 months.

Oh, at least.

He had to get it reconstructed.

But now, Bukakis has some big-ass legs.

Here's the elbow that took Paul Craig out.

Oh, my God.

Fuck.

Isn't that crazy how sideways that goes?

Fuck that.

That goes so sideways, dude.

It just blew it apart.

God, your knees are.

But he trains seven days a week.

Look at this.

Like four hours a day.

Who does?

Derek.

That's a lot.

That's legit.

Yeah, man.

If you've got

with legitimate champions, and he has like some of the best ability to recall information that I've ever seen.

Like, I can teach him something.

I could teach him something.

Autism.

Why not?

I could teach him something.

And I come back a year later, and he's like, oh, we worked on this, this, and this last time.

I guess he'd be a black belt as far as

knowledge rolling with you guys.

But as far as competition goes, like, is he executing it in against other guys?

Like, besides besides you, he doesn't compete.

He has no aspirations.

No, no, no, he means in training.

Like, does he go against other purple belts, brown belts?

So he trains with the guys who he comes in to train him.

So he doesn't have a lot of looks.

He doesn't go like a normal gym and train, which I think is something that's important to do just for your just personal journey in jiu-jitsu.

We just opened a new school.

We just opened Kingsway.

And

we have a bunch of black belts who come from other schools.

And, you know,

for the last 10 years, I'm used to being around.

Like, a shitty black belt to me is like a guy competed at a world level and I call my submission on.

That's like my

definition of a shitty black belt.

God damn.

But there's levels.

If you go to the gym and you see what your average black belt is, it kind of brings you back to reality.

And you're like, oh, this is what most black belts are.

Like, if Derek rolled with a regular black belt in the gym, he'd do fine.

Maybe, right?

Because he's not doing it.

It's like when Brian told me he's really good at tennis, and I said, are you paying the instructional?

I didn't say I was really good at tennis.

but I but like

you know what I'm saying?

Like, I train the guy.

I train with normal black belts at a gym, and I train with Derek when I go there.

Like,

I'm telling you, he would do fine against the normal black belts.

Well, then that's what it is.

Yeah, you would know.

Like, like, he's not gonna, he's not gonna go out and win worlds, but like, if he had, if he had to compete against, like, an average black belt who's been doing jiu-jitsu for you know 10 years and he does it for an hour at a random gym in Kentucky, like he would hold his own, like, he would, I mean, he would probably beat him up, to be honest with you.

Wayne McCulloch said about me on a on a radio station.

I luckily brought it back to you.

No, I'm gonna tell tell you, because to his point, to his point, Wayne McCulloch, Wayne McCulloch goes,

I put Brian in the ring.

I laughed him in saying it.

He goes, I put Brian in the ring with anybody.

Meanwhile, even a remotely good amateur would knock me the fuck out.

It's not just that.

Being in the ring with anybody doesn't mean anything.

It means you want to watch you get punched.

Also, I never watch Brian in the ring with Mike Tyson.

Also, I never, I never, I would spar with these guys.

If they were good, they would take it easy and they'd move around with a 48-year-old actor.

Like, he's a 42-year-old hobbyist who's worth $100 million and focuses on making money.

Yeah.

And also trains four hours of that.

Sounds awesome.

You're disciplined.

Everyone's giving him shit because he used it to market himself and was like, you're too fucking stupid to get a black belt in three and a half years, and I'm not.

That's why everyone's upset about him.

Well,

he does train hard every day.

It's a great idea because I had no idea he existed, and now I'm defending him.

Yeah, I've defended him based on what you said.

Actually, he's here right now.

He did the 1030.

Paul Craig just retired.

Good for him.

Yeah, that's enough.

I mean, that guy's been KO'd a gang of times, and he's a great guy.

He's very smart, too.

I'm sure.

It gets to a point, though, right?

Where you get to an age.

By the way, has a fucking submission victory over the champion, Magaman and Kalayev.

Caught him with a triangle.

His triangle is so tight.

It's so quick, too.

He got on Kalayav.

Yeah, with one second to go, dog.

One second to go in the third round.

Whipped up a triangle and fucking, he made him tap with one second to go.

That's how tight it was.

And had the COVID vaccine the day before.

That's what's incredible.

Yeah.

He had all of it.

But Gordon, you can see why some people, if a guy gets his black run two years, you're like, okay, what's going on?

Three and a half.

But you're right.

You're just faster than DJ Penn.

But how much did he really train?

So, like, this is the idea that we always say, this is what I always say when people talk about Jake Paul.

They say, oh, Jake Paul is fucking YouTubers, this, and that.

I go,

push all that away.

Yes.

But that doesn't mean he can't be good at something.

And also, the kid was a wrestler in high school and college, legitimate athlete.

Like, if I just watched him, if I watched him knock out Tyron Woodley, just watched him, I'd say that kid's a prospect.

He's fun, he's exciting, he's young, he's got one-punch go-to-sleep power.

Yes, exactly.

He didn't have all that baggage, but I put it on him.

But that's the baggage, it's psychological.

You look at him like as the YouTube guy, yeah, so a rich guy, like a Moneybird guy or a Zuckerberg, you say, Oh, he can fuck that guy.

But if he's got discipline and he can hire the best trainers, if he really does

have a

tough, If he's actually

in Austin, he did the 10:30 to 12 class, and then

he's taking three two-hour privates with Giancarlo, Luke, and Marigali.

That's legit.

So he trains

from 10:30 until it's like seven o'clock at night.

You can't knock just that.

And he's also been really successful in something else, so he applies that discipline to

not only that, the workload.

If he's doing that many hours and he's doing it every day, it's a lot.

This is the Gordon-Ryan method, right?

Your method has always been not just study harder than everybody else, but you you don't take days off.

That's a giant factor.

It's a giant factor.

I talk about him all the time because that training 365 days a year

kind of nuts.

No.

No days off.

I mean, if I'm sick or I have staff or my legs hurt, I come watch.

I'm always there thinking about the sport.

But Joe, my thing with Jake Paul is take all that baggage away.

You would still, if this is, if boxing had a belt class system, you would still say Jake is a blue belt with his experience.

You wouldn't say he's a black belt.

He's not a master of the sport, even though he's dedicated to whatever the last four.

But this goes back to my original point, which is just belts are just fucking

this belt thing.

Like, blue belts can beat up black belts now.

Yeah, I don't, like, you know, it's they certainly can if they're strong and they're fast and they've got tight technique and the black belt's got a so it's like

Jim, I came from there was no blue belt.

I don't know what the fuck we have.

Would I have a black belt in three and a half years?

No, but I also don't have any black belts.

Like, my standard for a black belt is like so unrealistically high that I don't even, I don't have a black belt.

Have you not given a black belt?

No, Eddie had this kid.

I don't have any black belt.

Eddie had this kid that was a Division I wrestler.

I wish I could remember his name because he was a fucking nightmare.

Every time I roll, it was so ridiculous.

We would do neon belly drills, and you know, you start with the neon belly.

And this dude would throw me off him like I was a pillow.

And then when he would get on top of me and knee on my belly, I was going nowhere.

I was stuck there.

We're the same size.

We're the same size.

He was crazy fucking strong.

Now, that guy was a blue belt.

Do you know what I'm saying?

Like, he was just an elite wrestler who you just show him a few of these things, and he already knows how to move his body and control people.

He doesn't know how to do a uma plot or a proper handball.

He didn't.

He's terrible off his back.

Yeah, he's good.

He's not a black belt.

But he's also been wrestling.

He could fuck black belts up.

He could because he could pass your guard.

He would smush you.

He would gee.

He was a D1 wrestler, right?

He was a D1 wrestler who was jazzed.

He had this powerlifting routine that he would do.

He would not skip powerlifting workouts.

He's like, it's the most important part of my game.

He was all clean.

That's powerlifting, deadlift, snatches.

That's all he did.

But then to the other end of that, we've had D1 guys come in to the academy and they get fucking smoked.

That can happen too.

That could happen too.

But this kid was training.

That's how it goes.

But he was training for a couple of years.

There's been blue belts or purple belts that come in and get fucking starch, man.

It takes a long time to learn.

What I'm saying is that this guy loved MMA.

yeah he was a elite wrestler and he was two years into jiu-jitsu but he was a blue belt that's what i'm saying yeah so he's a blue belt but

years of experience

fucking trouble i just gave jason nolfa's blue belt jason nofa's like having matches with like renato canuto like he's like having like he had matches like tyratolo like he's having like competitive matches and did you give him his blue belt because of experience well he's like a world-class wrestler Yeah, like he's such a factor.

He's like American wrestling legend.

I think this is, I've always said this, but I say it again.

That's the best base.

100%.

If you could dictate where the fight takes place, that's the most important thing.

Look at no champs.

Yeah, all fights start striking, but look what happens to a lot of these guys that have striking.

And like, did you see when Chaos Williams fought Gustafsson?

Yes.

That fucking Viking dude.

No.

He just, Chaos Williams has terrifying power.

Terrifying one punch.

Just has a highlight reel of starching guys with one shot.

This fucking Viking just got a hold of him and just absolutely ragdolled him for three rounds.

To the point, like, you felt bad for Chaos at the end.

It was the beatdown.

He was just beating the shit out of him.

Like, I've never seen anybody beat the shit out of chaos.

It's grappling.

It's grappling.

The wrestling is so goddamn important.

If you can do that and you can hold a guy and you can dictate where the fight takes place, that's number one.

Even if a fight starts standing, it also creates a lot of things.

Chaos is fucking dangerous.

And Gustafson got KO'd earlier today.

He got KO'd by that Russian cat that I thought was going to be a grappling match.

Alexander Gustafson?

He doesn't have...

No, no, no.

Oh, okay.

I'm sorry.

Completely different.

Andreas Gustafson.

But his fucking strength is insane.

This guy does one-armed barbell snatches with 175 pounds.

What?

To say power for a pull.

That dude.

Papa Tommy's like the strongest guy.

Find some video.

There's a video compilation of him weightlifting.

It's insane.

This is him.

Yeah, that's like crazy.

Look at how much he got stopped today in the first round.

What does he fight at?

170.

Oh, my God.

So, my point is, at least in the Chaos Williams fight's good example, the grappling is so goddamn important.

It's number one.

Number one for sure.

Yeah.

Number one for sure.

You should dictate where the fight goes.

I'll keep it on the feet.

Go to the floor.

And if you're fighting for 20 years,

you take so much less damage than a striker.

Correct.

That's the thing no one talks about.

It's like, look how much damage like a...

like a Khabib took in his career versus one Sanjay.

But that's why I always say that.

Khabib got touched four or five times his whole career.

But that's why I say it's always way more impressive what Izzy's done, what Alex has done when they're strikers and they they're they don't have an option to grapple and you know they're gonna keep it on the feet and they get to that championship level that level of difficulty is so much higher than what Khabib or these other grapplers are doing because you know they're not they're only gonna do one thing right Pereira just gonna stop like Pereira that's what I'm saying Alex Alex is all they're gonna do they're gonna knock you out yeah they have no other other way to win that that's all they're gonna do well Pereira championship level he was the guy I was the most excited about when he came over from Glory because I'm a little bit more talking about him for a himself.

I was like, dude, you got to watch this.

He's a starch everybody in Glory.

Man, I just always knew.

You always remember from gyms, right?

There's always a guy in the gym that you're like, how are you doing that?

Like, how are you hitting everybody so hard?

Like, how are you?

There's guys you would watch them hit pads.

You're like, okay, what the fuck are you doing different than everybody else?

That's Pereira.

You see him hit things?

It's like,

you see him right hook that fucking punch machine.

You know that punch machine?

He got 190 what with his right hand his left hand's his power hand dude my mike his left hand was hurt yeah so he threw a right mike brown said that about

said that about dustin poiri said dustin poirier knocks guys out all the time

dustin poure is a terrific puncher absolutely but correra is a different thing man he's like a one in a million guy really the power this guy has is one in a million it's nuts and it's he's built like a brain man he's built different he's built like a fucking alien man his bill is this high it starts in the middle of his back he is a legitimate amazon warrior like an absolute legit amazon warrior his family comes from an amazonian tribe oh my god so he the power of this you see his sister oh yeah she's fucking beaches out too she's fucking good man and technically this is when he knocked out izzy the first time dude wow to terrifying puncher and then by the time he got to glory he went up from 85 and put some masks on and that's when he started fucking people up when he was a two-time glory champion in 85 and 205.

god did they fast track him he's lfa starching dude they put him right in the ufc right in the ufc starches starches michelaitis with that flying knee

oh my goodness and then starches sean strickland okay and then he had that one fight where bruno silva made the fucking that dude uh i forget who he's fighting That that guy, there's so many guys in here.

Like, he fought Jason Willness and head kicked him and then flying knee him in the head.

Jason Willis is a world champion, champion, dude.

Like an elite world champion.

Good God, man.

I know they have to have that.

This is him against Dustin Jacob.

Watch that left hook.

One more time.

One more time.

That is fucking crazy power, dude.

Look at this.

Look at that power.

It's just different, man.

Every now and then a guy, you'll see a guy hit the bag.

You'll see a guy hit pads.

You'll see a guy punch someone in the ring.

And you're like, what is he doing different?

That's Pereira, like maybe the best example in kickboxing I've ever seen.

Because everybody knocks guys out.

They're all killer strikers.

But his was different.

There was a finality to what he did to people.

Look at that.

Oh, my God.

Yeah.

Ferocious.

Jesus Christ.

Bro, and these are big-ass gloves, right?

Yeah.

These aren't MMA now.

No, no, no, no.

They're 10.

They're 10s.

Yeah, they're 10s.

But those also are world-class strikers.

He's not.

This is Jason Wilness.

Oh, my God.

Flying knee.

Those are world-class guys, Brian.

Jason Wilness is a world champion, dude.

He head kicked him first, and then he flying-kneed him out.

Oh my God.

bro yeah he's not doing the skins can't so no grappling i mean he had zero grappling and in fact he had one mma fight he got taken down a rear nick and choked so that guy got taken down a rear nick and choked which highlights how fucking important grappling is yeah 100 then he hooks up with glover so that was the big thing glover to share teaches him how to wrestle at least a little bit yeah teaches and then slowly over time you see it getting better and better inside the octagon takedown defense standing up all that stuff

but then you get to a certain point where there's not i don't give a fuck if Gordon's teaching, whatever, there's not enough hours in the day to make up that gap when you get to a certain level that you have to do.

He's like, for DDP, there's nothing we can do for him to beat Hamzat.

There's not enough time in his life to beat Hamzat in wrestling.

He's not 21 years old.

We're like, now you need to get Russians in there, and they're like, this is what you can do.

He can definitely get better.

Yeah.

No doubt he can get better.

But Hamzat is extraordinary.

Yeah, he is.

He's extraordinary.

He can't make up.

He said, it wasn't his strength.

He said his strength.

Do you think he can, Gordon?

Yeah.

I think it's possible.

I have to pee before I watch this fight because I'm excited about this.

I think one of the worst backgrounds to get into with MMA, unfortunately, is jiu-jitsu with no wrestling and no striking.

Flash called Jiu-Jitsu.

Yeah, you're fast called Jiu-Jitsu.

I think you're fast.

The worst.

Because you have no ability to dictate where the fight goes.

So

there's also an agreed-upon

unspoken rule in jiu-jitsu where one guy plays top, one guy plays bottom.

And the way that the point system is set up in jiu-jitsu is that

the guy on bottom stays on bottom, the guy on top tries to pass.

They're showing a Hamza highlight really here now.

No, no, it's okay.

So go ahead.

Keep going.

So

it's usually the guy on top is patty cake, patty cake, patty cake, opportunity, passes scores.

Backs away, patty cake, patty cake, passes scores.

So jiu-jitsu guys never actually focus on holding anyone down, which is why when they actually go fight people, they just have zero to ability to keep them in bottom position.

and if you look at the finishers

like people are people are minimalists in jiu-jitsu whereas the ideal for jiu-jitsu is a maximalist like you do the minimum amount of work to win so they pat a cake patty cake side control three points and they stall for the rest of the match whereas whereas if you actually go in and you look at guys who actually work towards finality then you have guys who are actually good finishers

And so if you just combine all this, like even Hidolfa versus that guy Fluffy, is his nickname.

Like he got to good positions.

Like he mounted him.

He took his back multiple times, but he spent this whole career just winning on points.

So when he actually went to finish him, like there's like, it's just, you don't have to be able to do that.

Isn't that fascinating that the rule set kind of

really kind of ruined a lot of what made Jiu-Jitsu important?

Yeah.

The rule set did.

The number one thing that no one talks about in my career, which separates me, is the fact that when I put people in bottom position, no one ever stands up.

And if they do stand up, they've used so much energy standing up that it wasn't even worth the stand-up in the first place.

Like, everyone that I fight knows by passing is so good, and they know my pins are so good.

Like, they know if they, if I get chest to chest and half guard and pass them, I'm gonna finish them.

So, everyone's like, I'm fucking getting up.

Like, I spent like I fought Andre, I fought Yuri, I fought all these guys.

Like, no one, everyone knows if I'm in bottom position, I'm gonna get my guard passed.

If I get my guard pass, I'm gonna finish.

So, like, I need to get up like my life depends on it, and nobody even gets close.

And so, like and and if they do it sounds like bragging but that's a hundred percent true if

like like like like when i fought wagner like you there like wagner tried his absolute hardest to stand up when he was fresh and just if you look at he fought everybody else fought craig fought everyone else he just kicks away kicks in the hips he fought mma kicks in the hips stands up and he's back up and so it it doesn't allow you to keep pressure over time i just put him on bottom and they just never got away And then the one time he did get away, it was so late in the match that he was so exhausted that I just let him up and then I just put him back in bottom position.

So no one talks about the fact that I can hold people down, but the number one issue with classical jiu-jitsu guys is that they never spend any time holding people down.

So when they, first of all, they can't take them down.

And if they do get on top, the guy just stands up.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And

also no striking at all.

So going into it with that, going into MMA with no ability to take a guy down, no real experience in holding guys down.

And then

poor finish.

So even if you, even if you jump guard, for example, and you're in bottom, because you never spent your time actually working on submission finishing mechanics,

you can't even finish him from bottom position.

Guys who win jiu-jitsu tournaments don't even attempt a submission.

Yeah.

They just get mount.

So if you're on top, which is unlikely because you can't take the guy down,

it's unlikely you're going to hold top position.

And even if you are in bottom position, you're not dangerous enough to actually finish the guy.

So it's like classical jiu-jitsu is just getting phased out.

And we call it scrimmage wrestling.

What the Dagestone guys are doing is going to be phased in.

I like how somebody was mocking you about scrimmage wrestling and then it got used on it by Nikki.

Like

I'm not denying it's wrestling.

It's just a different kind of wrestling.

And if you look at every historical piece of information, like you look at Aaron Pico, took the guy down.

He's an amazing, you know, classical American wrestler.

Couldn't hold him down.

And then Hamzat was like the next match.

He takes the guy down, rides in the whole, like had 23 minutes on top.

The only reason he didn't have like a full, almost 25 minutes was because he got stood up, like, you know, midway through one of the rounds.

I think it was like 23 minutes of control time.

Like, I'm not saying it's not wrestling, it's just a different kind of wrestling.

When you teach jiu-jitsu, like, when you start with somebody, do you start from what is the, what is the system?

How do you start?

Are they on the bottom first?

But before you get to that, the scrimmage wrestling thing, what I was getting to is like, somebody was mocking that.

I was like, why are you mocking a term?

Like, are you trying to pretend he doesn't know what he's talking about?

Like, it seems crazy.

But then the exact same thing got done to him.

Yeah, correct.

He was like, oh, like.

It got done to him in a match with Nikki Rodd.

That's hilarious.

It's like everyone just thinks you could just come in as a collegian or freestyle wrestler and dominate.

And that's just not the way.

Like, there's so many things in wrestling that work perfectly.

There's so many things that don't work at all.

There's so many things that don't make sense to do.

Like a fireman's carry.

Like you hit a fireman's carry.

Next thing you know, the guy's in a crucifix on you.

Right.

Or he has your back or you're in your triangle.

Do you remember when Big Daddy Goodrich fought Paul Herrera?

Paul Herrera took him down, got him in a fireman's carry, and Big Daddy Goodrich locked his legs up, locked his arm up, and elbowed him.

That was

150 million times in the head.

It was fucking crazy.

So never do a fireman's carry that?

It was back when there was.

Here it is.

Look at this.

Watch this.

This is back when there's no tapping either.

Look at this.

Oh, my God.

I remember this.

He was out right away.

The referee should have stopped this 80 elbows ago.

I mean, he's dead.

And by the way, stop.

Bro, bro.

They added extra to it.

Did they add it?

It says 50 elbows to the end.

I know, because it repeats itself here.

It's a loop.

But what is the actual number?

Let's see if we can find the actual.

Just find Big Daddy Goodrich.

Oh, shit, we're watching Mauricio Ruffi and St.

Denis.

It's already started.

Well, these are nice.

Oh, Ruffy just popped him with a jab.

These comedy mothership cigars are nice, Baba.

Yeah, it's a foundation cigar.

Shout out to them.

He's like, now this connection.

Like, takedown score is nothing.

Now, can he actually hold him down from this position?

Well, St.

Denis is pretty good at holding guys down.

I mean, clearly not on your level of it, but he does have a very pressure.

It looked like Ruffy didn't even try.

He just accepted bottom position.

So it was like, there was like, there's no, like now he's trying to get up, but he's already got his guard.

It's a great game plan by.

Oh, Centenni, this is huge for him.

Full mount already.

Requesting guys, cardio.

Where's that out early?

Bro, look at that.

He's going

for the arm triangle.

He's going hard for it.

Look at this.

And if you look at the pace.

Oh, my God.

I think he's going to get it.

It's called Leche de Padre.

Bro, look at it.

Does it?

That's what it is.

Father's milk.

Really?

You just bury him.

You just bury him into his tip.

I thought that was when you smother a guy.

Yeah, that's what it looks like he's doing.

Well, no, this is an arm triangle.

He's isolating the right arm.

What do you do?

Come out single leg?

Double leg?

Went to double legs to waist, up to a body.

Boricio's almost up.

Nope.

He's got to lock the triangle.

Okay.

Oh, he's got his back now.

Now he should go power half or he's going to get taken up.

Jesus.

This is terrible for Rufy.

He's going to be a little bit more.

Oh, he can get him out.

He's done.

He should have gone power half.

Now you can stand up.

Just stand up, bubba.

What did he do instead of power half?

What did he?

He just

stayed with two hands over the shoulders, and then the guy just kind of misaligned the body.

Okay, now.

So, see, like, he had a takedown, and

he couldn't hold him down.

Right, and now they're back at their feet, and Rufi's fucking dangerous at a distance, dude.

Look at that.

Nice knee to the body.

He's dangerous at a distance.

Nice.

Do you know how mentally fatiguing it is to put a guy down and not be able to do any damage?

And then it's not just physical.

It's like

I put this guy down, and then he fucking got up on me, and I couldn't do anything to him.

He's like some special forces French guy.

Yeah.

What is his exact military?

Like, what did his experience?

Whatever their fucking Delta team is over there.

Is that what he is?

Oh, he's one of those guys.

Their version of it?

Yeah, but there's like French are no joke.

This dude's no joke.

He's an intense motherfucker.

He was thanking America for helping France in World War II in one of his post-fight speeches.

Jesus.

He's like, I love America.

You helped us in World War II.

I'm like, whoa.

The crowd's like, what?

This guy, what is he thinking about here?

So he's got his back again.

He's got him.

him French Army specialist.

He's got him down again.

So far, this is not a good round for Rufi.

So now we know about Rufy's grappling because what we've seen from him is just, well, also, Santini is a beast.

He's a beast.

He's a beast.

Now,

look at that full mountain game.

Rufi can survive this.

Arm triangle.

Arm triangle.

Gordon, do you guys start with like

a traditional guard triangle?

Do you start?

So,

what kind of athlete am I trying to build?

Oh,

elite Brian Cowlin Cowling.

Yeah,

yeah if I'm trying to build an athlete from the ground up Yeah, um

and I have time to work with them I always start them in bottom position because

bottom position is the hardest is the hardest to learn right

most people start standing standing is actually the last thing I teach them really I start yeah

Because if you can get good submissions and good off balances from bottom position

Good guard retention and good escapes pin and submission escapes those are the first things that I do.

So,

are more guys asking you to come in their camp?

He's yelling at something, he's complaining about something.

Rufus complaining about something.

See, he's holding the glove, so he's holding something, yeah.

He's holding shorts.

Hamzat asked me to train like

in Newport?

No, I was in Sweden.

I'm like, I'm not going to Sweden right now.

He does the camps in Newport now.

Yeah, it's not too bad for you.

Yeah, I'd be like, Okay, so if he trained hard, that would be great.

He had his hands in his shorts.

Yeah, he can't be doing that.

He was holding on to the shorts, I think.

Is that what he's saying, Jamie?

Hopefully, he's grabbing his dick.

Hopefully, he's grabbing.

That was a fight once with Big Daddy Goodrich as well.

He fought this dude, the Pedro, and he reached his hand into the guy's junk and fucking crushed his nuts.

No.

Yes, he did.

It was legal, too.

In Brazil.

In Brazil.

Yeah, there was no rules back then.

He reached his hand and crushed the man's balls.

How bad do you want to win, bitch?

Oh, God.

Is it true that

bullshit?

Or when D D

Drekus Duplessis had his finger in Kamzat's ass?

Is that true?

Or Kamzat was a.

Well, it's on TikTok a lot.

I'm sorry, guys.

Excuse my fucking friend.

Here we go.

Edit that out.

50 seconds left.

Oh, Rufus.

I like that drum.

He's swinging.

But he's got to be so exhausted now, and now he knows he can't get taken down.

Never seen Ruffie like this before, man.

This is interesting.

Well, I mean, you got to think of the guys that Santenis fought too.

He just fought Dustin Poirier.

Oh, yeah.

Strength of schedule.

St.

Denise way higher.

Hanato Moikano.

Yep.

He's fought some pretty elite guys.

He lost to Moikano, right?

Yep.

Yeah.

He got beat up.

Yeah, he does.

But you see, like, even this, like, when you're standing, there's so much less that has to go wrong for a good guy to get beaten by a guy who's not much lesser.

Like, when you're grappling someone, so much has to go wrong in order to lose to a guy who's

worse than you.

So like if he, if he took him down in the first 30 seconds of the round and he remained in top position, like just riding him, there would have been like almost zero danger in the round, which is like what Khabib and Hamza do.

Right.

Whereas in this guy, that last 50 seconds.

If you're here or you get knocked out,

if you're on the ground, there's a lot of shit that has to go wrong to get beat.

Especially when you're tired.

That's the thing.

It's like you have to make choices.

Do I move now?

Am I too tired to explode out of the way?

I see him winding up.

Do I try to duck?

Like, what do I try?

You don't have that.

Like, when Itama fought Dillian White, the in-and-out footwork,

whoo!

After something like that, that shit's gone.

Right?

So

you can't really get out of the way.

Yeah.

Like, even if I don't finish him, let's drain this fucking gas tank so his footwork's not as good, so he's not as dangerous on the feet.

But this is such a good test for Hoofy because he really hasn't beat those high-caliber guys yet.

It's such a good test.

Here's a real question.

Do you think that with guys like Murab and then Fluffy as well, but maybe to a slightly lesser extent, do you think what they're showing is that just like some people can do those 100-mile races that like Goggins and Cam Haynes does, and that we think that a marathon is hard, but it's just because that's all you train for.

But guys like Cam do a marathon literally every day.

And it's just, you got to go past where you think the boundary is.

And a guy like Murab can keep that kind of pace up for five minutes because he's in that 100-mile running.

yes you know what i mean it's like is he genetically gifted where he can do that or is it just all mentally he says not he says he used to smoke

any better that's true that's true they say that like pre-fontaine and those guys have uh harder bones in their feet and stuff like that well that's also from use though yeah that's from use that's the same kind of thing yeah you get that from kickboxers yeah you get that from weightlifters oh because i'm cool santani i'm sorry i'm gonna say it His hands are down a lot of times.

He's close.

Oh, he just got elbowed hard.

He gets caught, man.

He got elbowed hard.

Well, he's tired.

He gets reckless, too.

He does get reckless.

Well, he's a very violent man.

Yeah.

But here he got.

He got him down again.

He's down down again.

He's down to trail.

He's got it.

He's what?

He's down to trail.

Oh, Rufy reversed him.

Oh, this is huge.

That means he's tired.

That's what I was talking about scrimmaging.

Yeah.

Like, Rufy was just like, I'm not accepting.

And every previous takedown, he was like, I'm accepting bottom position.

This time, he was like, I'm not getting put on bottom.

And he just kept moving until he was in top position.

And now he's going to let him stand up.

Every time this happens,

Benoit's in more and more trouble.

He's just got to be clean here and just don't get wild.

Benoit is tired.

He's kicking with his hands down.

You see the clear tactical difference

between these guys and a guy like Khabib.

Yes.

Saint Denis tried to take him down in the first round and tried to finish him in the first round.

So he had

more submission attempts and more...

He worked towards submission a lot more than

a Khabib would.

But now he's a lot more tired.

Like Khabib and Hamzat spend the first, like, if it's a five-round fight, the first, like, two to three rounds just riding the guy.

Like, there's no submission attempts.

Their sole focus is keep the guy down, control him, make him carry body weight.

You know, see, this is the thing.

If you get to like 155 pounds and you're a striker, you know, that is at the weight where like most of these guys can knock each other the fuck out.

Like, if this guy fought Ilya Taporia, he'd get knocked the fuck out.

Or he could knock Ilya the fuck out.

Like, it's so tight when you're at like a championship level and you're that fast and hit that hard.

That's a wild game.

What you're saying, Gordon, is like,

it's so important for people to hear because that is the clearest pathway to success.

Like, complete control on the ground.

It's the least amount of damage you take.

It's safest post-career.

Correct.

Yes.

Santini, look at this.

Look at this.

Richie's tired, too.

Look at this.

Look at all this.

That is not fun.

He's got

this.

Two and a half minutes.

Oh, fuck that.

He's got to pull the hand hand down.

If he pulls the hand down, he's going to be.

He's underneath his chin.

He's battling it.

Ooh, that is close, though, Jack.

Oh, he's putting the squeeze on the jaw.

That's just...

Oh,

if he starts turning belly up.

Oh, he tapped.

He tapped.

Wow.

Oh, Benoit Saint-Denis.

That is the biggest win of his career.

Yep.

Oh, my friend.

Right in France.

Yeah, that's a huge win.

That is fucking huge.

That's the first loss for the fighting nerds.

Yeah, and that's a big one, man.

That's a big one.

Because Rufi was the ninja.

You know, Rufi was the guy that hit Bobby Green with that wheel kick.

Yeah.

And Ruffy was the one.

Yeah, he's got to be feeling it right now.

I mean, that's his boy.

And then the captain of the nerds is fighting the main event.

Benoit just starts shooting at the ground.

He could have turned out because he was actually budged against the fence.

So he wouldn't have been able to follow that.

Dude's a fucking beast, man.

That dude's a fucking beast.

Good for him.

Good for him.

Yeah, he's a beast.

And the thing is, it's like he didn't get deterred from his losses either you know he gets beat up by conno didn't get deterred beat up by by dustin poirs both those then he wins that last one that last one he didn't look great strong mind

he took it on short notice that's to do that to roofie that's big man that's big for him i wonder well maybe we don't know how good roof he is you know yeah well we know how good he is standing you know yeah he just got submitted sounding he was working on his wrestling a lot i think here well he's he started his background was judo initially his grappling really good grappler

the game you know know, not fighting MMA that long.

He's only been fighting MMA for a few years.

Wow.

Really?

Oh, yeah.

Damn.

And really didn't start striking until later.

God.

Yeah, he's kind of a freak, man.

I asked him in a post-fight speech.

I said, how did you get so good so quick?

Like, I thought maybe he'd have some insight, but I don't think he understood what I was saying.

But that is

kind of remarkable.

Uniquely violent man.

He's used to violence.

Yeah, it's a different level of understanding of violence.

You pulled up his background, Jamie.

What is his background?

Look at shooting people.

Look at this.

And cutting throats.

He's no joke.

I can't fuck you up.

First Marine Infantry Paratroopers Regiment, unit of the French Army Special Forces Command.

He served as a French Special Air Service Operator in Maori

during the war and more generally in West Africa, fighting terrorist groups.

That's an elite motherfucker, right?

Fighting terrorists.

Boko Haram and stuff.

Terrorist groups in West Africa.

Jesus.

Christ.

So that's why he's so fucking violent.

Yeah.

And he's only started in 2004.

He walked in the gym at 2017.

Well, I think he had a

judo career before that, though.

This is, I think he did judo first, right?

When he was younger, didn't he?

Does it say anything before that?

Yeah, practiced judo.

Yeah.

At a good level.

His mother was a teacher.

His father was a French army officer who practiced judo.

So he trained in judo in France and Germany at the age of eight.

Okay, yeah.

Yeah, at the age of eight and learned a black belt.

Doesn't say at the age of eight, he got a black belt.

It said he beginning at the age of eight and then he earned his black belt.

He played football and rugby in his youth, so he's a beast.

I mean, yeah, soccer.

Fucking violent dude.

He's a soccer when I say football.

He's been moving his body on a high level for a long time.

Yeah, violent dude.

Rugby.

Yeah,

also killing dudes in West Africa.

Africa.

Killing dudes in West Africa.

Yeah, if you're an SAS guy like that, you were doing that for me.

Yeah, he looks like it.

Like when you talk to him,

you know.

it's a very different consideration also by the way when you're in wartime like that you're not as nervous you don't expend a lot of energy you know with the nerves beforehand you have more energy well it's like what you've seen is so much worse than what you're about to do right you're just going to go into a fight yeah and it's probably the only job that you can do in you know an actual combat which gets you to fight the choose ufc you're like that's what happened yeah like name another job you can do where it's going to get you ready like that yeah everything's a step down nothing nothing yeah that's the only thing that's going to make you calm.

Fuck.

Having survived war and then fighting in the octagon is a cakewalk.

Yep.

Especially to make it in that elite division.

Well, think about what Francis went through.

You know?

Think about what that guy went through.

Didn't he walk through the desert?

He walked through the desert like seven times, dude.

They kept arresting him and bringing him back to the desert.

Fuck.

Yeah.

They literally try to kill you.

Yeah.

They try to take you and they capture you in Morocco and then drop you off deep in the desert.

And then every time you get a ride back.

God.

He did it seven times over like a long time, like over a year, a year and a half or something as a homeless person.

Yeah, there's not going to be

a quit in that guy.

No, no, no.

He's been through.

He was living outside with like a tarp.

And then when he got to France, he told me he was living in a parking garage.

He was sleeping in a parking garage.

He can't come to you.

Dude, how about his fucking luck, right?

His son passes away, which is horrible.

Unthinkable.

Horrible.

And then he's riding a motorcycle, hits a young lady.

She passes away.

Yeah.

It's fucking terrible.

Horrible.

And

It's so scary.

But it's like, think about what that guy's been through, and then, like, what is a fight for him?

You know?

Yeah.

But even he, after the Steve Bamiocic fight, he was kind of fucked up in the head.

Hell yeah.

And, like, when he fought Derek Lewis, like, barely engaged.

Yep.

We thought that fight was going to be chaos.

Bro, we were like, here we go.

Like, this one's going to be chaos.

I think my prediction was this won't go past two minutes.

Yeah, I thought it was going to be hammers.

Like, the rock.

That was the modern day

Houston Alexander and Kimbo.

Yeah, that's right.

Right.

That's right.

Yeah.

That was a very disappointing fight.

But then he came back after and started starching fools again.

Who did he knock out first?

Was it Junior or Kane?

Junior, right?

Junior Dos Santos.

Yeah.

He beat the brakes off of Junior, and then he KO'd Kane.

Well, Kane's leg.

And he KO'd Kane.

Did he hit him first, and then Kane's leg went, or did Kane's leg go and then get hit?

I think he hit him with an uppercut.

And Kane had some knee problems for quite a while.

You know, I mean, Kane's body kind of like was not strong enough for his mind.

Well, his

spine in a cage break it down.

Wasn't his spine in a cage?

I think they had to do some crazy surgery on him.

But the most important thing is that he had a button.

They posted a picture of him.

He has a gray beard.

He looks normal.

How long is he in prison for?

Supposed to get on, I want to say January.

It's crazy that they made him go to jail at all and any more than he already went.

Yeah.

It's just because he was.

I mean, he shot the wrong guy, right?

Yeah.

He shot the stepdad, who was also a creep, but he was firing the gun into the public places, like on the highway, so he was going into hell.

Hello, that shit.

Can't have that.

So that's where they got him.

We can't have that with you.

Yeah, that's a bad idea.

You don't want to encourage that.

Also, if I'm Kane, I have his skill set.

Fuck a gun, dude.

Don't you want to hurt this dude with your bare hands?

I think he wanted to kill him.

Yeah, do it with your hands.

I mean, at least plan it a little better.

Yeah.

Like, if he planned it a little better, he may have gotten off.

I think it was rage.

I think he found out and he just went, I'm going to go kill this guy.

Yeah, for sure.

I mean, how could you not have that kind of thing?

I get it, but he didn't kill the guy and I was in jail.

Yeah, I know.

That's true.

And the guy got out before Kane did.

The guy was out in the street before Kane went.

Like, if you're going to kill the guy, fucking put him in the same cell block as Kane.

Here's your new roommate.

Enjoy this.

A guy like that has to be in protective custody, right?

They'd have to hide him.

Yeah.

You touch kids.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You touch kids.

Yeah.

They want to get you.

But even when he gets out, he's out now.

He has to go into hiding.

The streets will get him.

Especially with Kane, the way he's connected.

Good luck, bud.

Enjoy the rest of your life, you fucking creep.

Yeah, it's a horrible, horrible, horrible story.

I don't think you should ever get out, bud.

So Kane, back to the physical issues, like he had shoulder problems, knee problems, back problems, neck problems.

And it was just like that guy trained so hard.

All those boys did.

DC, Khabib, Block Hole,

Josh Thompson.

boys.

They used to go full, Tim.

Well, they were so good, too.

It's like such a lion's den.

A young Makachev was there.

Like, they're monsters, man.

Yeah.

Yeah, and if you just think about like Kane in his prime, though, like when he beat Nog.

Best heavyweight ever, I think.

One of them.

The real travesty is that we never got to see Kane versus Fedor in their prime.

That was the real travesty.

That would have been the fight.

You know, that is, you know,

that's like the fight.

That's the one where you go, yeah, if there was one fight I could have made, yeah, that would have been it.

Kane in his prime versus Fedor in his prime.

Because their primes overlap, too.

Well, Fedor's kind of towards the end, though, but he was still good.

He was still pretty fucking good when Kane was when Kane was coming up and Kane became the champ.

Fedor was still Fador.

How would Fedor do now, you think?

But he's, you know,

is young Fedor?

Young Fedor's going to fuck people up in any generation.

Right now, you look at the heavyweight division, like you have Aspinall, speed, power, drop-off.

Like, the heavyweight's never been.

However, we don't even know how good Aspinall is.

Like every fight he's had.

And the poor guy, he just became champion at the wrong time.

There's just nothing for him to prove himself.

He's also so much bigger.

A guy like Aspinall is, his frame is so much bigger than Phedor's, I think, right?

He's a lot to fight big guys.

Yeah.

He's a big boy.

Aspinall.

He's a lot bigger.

He's 265 or something.

He's a lot bigger, but Phedora was a special fighter.

He was special, too.

You need to watch his defense when he fought a Pro Cop.

You ever see the Pro Cop, they're both.

Pro Cop Prime.

Thro Cop was throwing those power high kicks and he would lift his knee all the way up here and catch it.

He was catching a lot of the body kicks on his knee.

His defense in that fight was amazing.

Somebody made a compilation of Fedor's defense in that fight.

Like when Crokop hits him with a body kick, he takes out his supporting leg.

He was so good in his, and he could submit guys like that too.

He'd catch arm bars out of nowhere.

Like he had a fully multifaceted game.

So insane.

Probably the best.

So explosive too.

The best guy in the heavyweight division ever that could do that, that can transition from a knockout blow to a triangle choke or an arm bar, just like that.

When he catches arm bars, he would catch them.

Boom.

Boom.

They were so fast.

So fast.

He was probably the best heavyweight ever of that, don't you think?

Yeah, and the channels.

The guy who could do both of those things

with lightning speed.

He was so good, dude.

Those Nilguera fights, oh my God.

That was when Nilguera was in his prime, son.

Noguera was in his prime, and Fedor just could not be denied.

His grounding pound was fucking terrifying.

The best.

Yeah, the best.

Remember, he fought Orlovsky, who was training with Freddie Roach.

In affliction.

His boxing was great, and then Fedora just caught him, man.

No, Orlofsky was winning that fight.

I knew that he tried to fight.

I know, I know.

And he was like,

bro, he caught him in the air with a picture-perfect right hand.

And he'd walk out like he just finished playing cards.

It wasn't even warmed up.

He'd just walk out like, I just finished playing cards.

I'm going to beat this guy.

Even in mid-battle, dude, his expression would never change.

Never change.

You've just seen that during slow motion when Kevin Randleman's throwing him on his head and he's just like dead eye.

Just relaxed mid-air.

He's all

been here before.

Never freaked out.

And then within a minute, he came more.

And then isn't it weird his brother just wasn't as good?

No, his brother was a wild man, but just nice.

Yeah, he's better.

His brother had better tattoo.

His brother had a tattoo of the Grim Reaper holding the baby.

Yeah, yo.

Did you ever see that?

Yeah, yeah.

Yo, bro, bro.

That guy's in some dark.

Does scary shit.

Yeah, there was a lot of dark tattoos that dude had.

He was scary.

Suspect.

Remember when he fought James Thompson?

James Thompson came out.

James Thompson was an animal.

He came out fucking roof and Emilianeko just picked him apart.

There was that other big Brazilian cat, too.

Remember that other dude that he flatlined in a similar way?

Big Brazilian guy who was a heavyweight.

Yeah, I know he was taking it.

Remember that?

I don't know his name, but yeah.

But he flatlined that guy, too.

Watching what it takes.

Look at what he does now.

I think he was in legal trouble.

Who is this?

Alexander Emilianko.

Fedora's brother apparently is a wild fellow.

He got in some trouble.

He got in some other way.

He's a wild fellow.

He served some time.

But I think Fedor's super close to a Putin?

Oh, yeah.

So he could probably be.

Yeah, he probably calls him.

He's like, hey, my brother fucked up again.

Is there any way?

Maybe.

I don't know.

Because the Chechnyan guy was mad at him once.

The guy.

Kartioff.

Yeah, Kartioff.

he was mad because fedor criticized them having young kids fight each other oh interesting

did you see hamzad got his belt and flew back to chechnya and he gave that warload the belt and he was wearing it like he was like thanks dude and then kept it yeah yeah that guy's been sanctioned by like more countries than any other ruler like like he's not uh he's kind of a wild guy to be friends with yeah yeah i would imagine like the biggest mafia lord did you ever see him in hamzad roll no oh yes i did yeah i did that i I did.

I did.

Bro, how about Hamzad and Sarukian rolling?

Yeah.

Surukian.

Surukian.

Very good.

That's the guy that DiPoria is going to have all the problems with.

All the problems.

Yeah, Surukian is fine.

It's his toughest fight.

That's his toughest fight.

Well, Surukian will still be favored, though.

Really, really.

Really?

He's going to be favored?

No, I know he is.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Dipporia will be.

Yes.

I think he's favored enough.

He's got two erasers.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He's got two erasers.

And he grew up wrestling.

Yeah, Surukian can also strike, though, and his wrestling.

Oh, not like Temperio.

his striking is pretty good his striking is good not as good

nobody on this planet would say it's as good as topiria's i think i think where he can get his problems yeah would you put your money on on uh toporia though in that fight uh i would have put money on that fight i'd say with toporia

listen tsuruki knocks people out he's very good striking yeah but what toporia has is that weird power yeah the same thing we were talking about pereira he's got that weird power he does get hit though that but he's he does get hit but he wants to get hit he wants to throw himself in there so he can get those counters off because he knows when his land.

It's over.

So in that sense, you haven't seen those kind of fights.

He stopped three legends in a row.

Legends.

Legends.

Legends in a row.

Shot him all.

Max Holloway's never been knocked out.

It's one of the greatest three-fight wins.

This is good.

I think Surukians, I would probably say for Surukians, wrestling will get the job done.

We're not talking about wrestling.

And it might be a boring fight.

We're not talking about wrestling, though.

Dude, to go from...

To go from knocking out Volkanovsky to knocking out Max Holloway to knocking out Olivera, that is the greatest three-fight win streak in the history of sport.

KOs, all flat lines.

That's different.

But Sarukian doesn't get hit a lot.

He's a really good wrestler.

His transition is big for the weight class, which is probably why they fucked up in the last one when he got pulled from the fight.

That's right.

Because he's probably cutting too much weight.

But the knock on Sarukian would be when he fought Charles Olivera, who Tapira just starged.

Yeah.

Is if that was a five-round fight, he probably would have lost it.

Interesting.

Look at this.

But Surigan's definitely as tough as

Lomo KO.

Oh, my God.

Yeah.

Hit him twice.

Oh, bro.

Nobody's ever done that to Olivera like that at 55.

The last time he got KO'd like that was Cub Swanson, probably.

Old school.

Remember that?

Yeah.

That's right.

There was a time where Olivera was just not all in.

He just wasn't fully focused.

He had quit in him.

Once you show signs of quit, you're fucking.

He found it somewhere else.

He found it.

Yeah, he found it in a very interesting

psychological study.

Most guys at that level that quit that overtly,

don't make it.

It never comes back.

He's the one guy.

He turned it around.

And I held it against him forever.

Until he started picking up.

I never picked him.

Once I know a guy that has quit in him, I'm like, I'm out.

I never picked him.

And then he kept proving me wrong.

Yeah, he's an extraordinary case.

Very unusual case.

So Sorukian and Taboria would be the fight, but the thing is, I almost think the general public doesn't know enough about Soruki.

That's true.

I almost would say, listen, you fucked up.

You didn't make weight.

You're probably a little too big, fella.

Why don't we give you one more contend?

They did that.

Put on a show.

They're giving them a fight.

I think it's Hooker.

That's a good one.

That's a good one.

That's a good one.

That's a good one.

Hooker is a dangerous guy.

Is this going to be a five-rounder?

I don't know.

Who is Hooker drafted?

Hooker would take you into some deep water.

Yeah.

That Hooker Poirier Poirier fight, that's an all-time classic.

That's crazy.

That was a classic.

Five-round made of that.

Oh, there it is.

UFC Qatar.

Qatar's bringing that loot.

Damn.

What is Hooker ranked right now?

He's in the top 10, I believe.

What is Dan Hooker ranked?

I'm actually kind of surprised at that fight.

What is Dan Hooker ranked?

Dan Hooker's, he's another one of those dudes.

It's just like...

He's my CTV.

He's a dog.

He just wants to fight.

He's a guy who'll do bare knuckle.

Yeah, he'll do anything.

Yeah, he's down for whatever.

He got the win over

Tyler.

That was a great fight.

Yeah.

He was scheduled to fight Justin Gaitchie early this year before withdrawing due to hand injury.

Yeah, he hurt his hand, remember?

Pulled out.

Yeah, that's right.

He's a dog.

I watched that Strickland fight with

Imovov.

Yeah.

Wow.

Rock and sock'em robot.

Strickland melts guys.

He does.

He puts a pace on guys.

I love the way he fights.

Fuck.

He constantly pushed pressure on you and he's constantly got you moving backwards.

Hard to hit, slips, you know, all that.

What Gordon is talking about with grappling, Strickland employs a lot of that same sort of strategy with the striking.

Like he keeps you backing up all the time.

Yeah.

There's a factor to it.

Obviously,

Pereira knocked him out.

He's more susceptible.

He's not in control of the situation when you have wild strikes coming your way.

But by always having you back up, you're going to get way more tired.

Nobody runs backwards.

He's a pressure fighter.

Yes, he is.

It's right in your head.

He's a pressure fighter, but he doesn't have the power.

You know, like he's a pressure fighter that creates volume.

But look at Nick and Nate.

Nick and Nate did the same thing.

They're not knocking guys out left and right, but they're just constantly walking you down.

And they have better cardio.

And the thing is, it's like all he has to do is just keep hitting you at 50%.

If he hits you a lot at 50%.

And really hard to hit, man.

That shoulder roll thing.

Yeah, I'm surprised he's not taken down more, but his takedown defense, he's way harder.

If you look at most of the champions, they have one thing that they're better than almost everybody else in the world at and they're good sufficiently good at everything else yes strickland's not better than

than anybody at anything like he's not the best striker he's not the best wrestler he's that but he just has pressure right like there's so much so much can be said for just walking a guy a guy down yeah and putting pressure now obviously like a guy like pereira is used to it yeah uh so well could he countered him as he was coming in but like for most guys he just walks him down and puts pressure like dude khabib doesn't know khabib just like literally walks that guy so he hasn't even shuffle.

Like, look at Khabib versus Edson Barboza.

Like, he knew that Edson wanted to keep him at range to kick him.

So he literally just walked at him so that Edson couldn't shuffle back fast enough, and he was 100% exhausted, like, inside of a round or two.

Yeah.

This is exciting.

It's very exciting.

I spent a lot of pressure on Imam Vove fighting in France.

Well, and plus, you know, if you put on a good performance, you're going to fight for the title.

Yeah, you're next.

Like, Dana didn't commit because it's basically a four-man middleweight tournament.

So Dana's not committing.

So he's letting them put on a show.

He's saying, who wants it more?

Right.

He's a big boy.

You do it by decision, which most of these guys aren't finishers.

These two aren't.

Well, him knocking out Adesania like that was crazy.

I did not expect that.

I thought that was going to be a close fight.

He's every bit of 6-3.

He's a big boy.

Did I watch the contender for the first time?

I never watched that.

Best fight showing.

It's so great.

You've never seen it before?

I never have.

It trumps Ultimate Fighter.

Dude, it's close.

Did you see it?

My boy

Jean-Paul LeBozniani got in there and his dad had been training him forever.

I know.

His dad had been training him since he was seven.

There's a video of him doing it.

And just to watch that kid, he wanted to do everything else.

His dad goes, no, you're going to wrestle and you're going to fight.

And he made it to the UFC.

Fucking jiu-jitsu sick.

We'll see.

Well, this guy's coming in his own, you know, it's like I think the Strickland fight taught him a lesson.

Immobile.

Yeah, because

he just puts so much pressure on him.

He's got a weird style too, where he throws that teep from the front foot.

Strickland is like constantly teeping you and constantly got you moving and he moves back really well when punches are thrown on him and he's got his hands like this.

I want to see bodies comes out Strickland.

I'd love to see that fight.

What age do you think fighters peak typically?

It depends what weight class.

Yeah.

Well, it's wild when they're like really lightweight and they're still in it, like Volkadovsky.

Like usually after 30 at the lighter weights.

What is this, Jamie?

Disaster.

That's it.

LeBoz Niani, right this.

So watch this.

You see that?

He won by knockout.

Yeah, he won by knockout.

But check this out.

Jamie, I'm going to send you a video right now.

Yeah, this kick

special.

He threw that kick off of the punch, like the kick and punch at the same time.

Watch this.

Jamie, I'm going to send you something.

See that?

See how he did that?

Came over the top.

No, he throws the jab and the, yeah, he threw it over the top, but he did the jab and the kick at the same time.

Stylebender does that a lot.

Yeah, and he practices.

That's such a slick move.

There's a video of him practicing that move with his dad at seven years old.

That's nice.

Watch this.

Boom.

Oh, my goodness.

That's nice.

Yeah, that contender series is awesome.

It's very good.

It's brilliant.

And look how many guys have come out of that and are now fighting the UFC.

So many.

Dude, how about that UFC Paramount deal?

Yeah, it's crazy.

Great.

It's a lot of money.

What is it, like $7 billion for seven years?

No,

because it's basically.

seven billion.

Well, that's Jamie.

What are you doing, Brian?

Check this out.

You're in the middle of this.

You know, you don't have to walk over to Texas.

Yeah, don't you know his number?

Airdrop him or some shit.

Like, so you see this move?

Watch this.

Watch when he's a kid.

Look at this with his dad.

Look at this.

Oh, that's crazy.

Now, watch this, ready?

He's doing his.

This is when he's in first grade.

Now, boom.

Oh, that's crazy.

How cool is that?

Well, those guys that do have that traditional karate background, the thing's a black.

Karate in particular particular is that you're not really getting hurt and you're throwing a lot of kicks and you learn leg dexterity.

And it's like, especially like Taekwondo, you learn leg dexterity that regular people don't have.

It's like just how you're talking about like there's a level of cardio that you would need to run a marathon and then you think, that's about as good as anybody could ever get.

And then there's guys that come along and run 100 miles.

There's also that with what you're seeing with MMA, with cardio and MMA.

But it's also that with everything.

It's that with like grappling, with striking, with kicking, with everything.

We're used to a certain level of it, but if there's the, if elite like Taekwondo guys really figured out Muay Thai and then wrestling and grappling,

you're in trouble.

These guys that can throw wild wheel kicks at you and spinning sidekicks to the body

because they've gotten way past the level that everybody else is at.

That's right.

Yeah, I think he rolled with you,

didn't he?

Le Bozaniani, didn't he?

He was like 17, though.

You probably don't remember, but he was very complimentary, obviously.

His jiu-jitsu, Eddie Brawl was talking about that kid.

That kid's jiu-jitsu is so crazy, though.

And now he's in the UFC.

We have Gordon Ryan's Abu Dhabi belt right there.

Damn.

Donated to the studio.

Look at that, son.

I guess I have some money now.

I just give men as gifts.

That's amazing.

Is someone out there, some doctor, fix his tummy, please?

Fuck, for real.

You have one, and then

I'm waiting.

They have, I'm waiting.

Like, I'm going to give Trump one.

Oh, wow.

That's hilarious.

That's hilarious.

Joe, how many people are...

I love that it's gold.

I love that it's gold.

How many people are hitting you up for those White House tickets?

Oh, quite a few.

Hey.

How about your boys over here?

You probably won't pass any kind of tests that you need to get in there.

No, we've been to the White House.

Chop and I have been to the White House.

Who invited you to the White House?

Some guy who was a doctor.

he was a fan, but he was a Secret Service guy.

Oh, wow.

Got us in there.

Yeah.

I was all up in there.

Oh, yeah.

All the rooms.

When Obama was president.

That's weird.

When Obama was president, that was that long ago.

That's wild.

That was when Bush was dead.

Dude,

that's wild.

What is all this talk about them arresting Obama?

What is all this?

Silly.

Is it real?

No, it's not.

No, it's lies.

Are they really going to start doing that?

Going to arrest in former presidents?

That's a bad idea.

By the way, you have to arrest

every one of them.

That's a lie.

Yeah.

That warfare, that legal warfare.

Look at the size of Borjalo.

He's 6'4.

That'll be a good fight, son.

He's a big boy.

Again, these guys are both 185.

Okay, this is crazy.

They're not 185.

These are 200-plus-pound guys.

Him sucking weight is so hard for him.

Borjalo?

Borgalio.

Yeah, it looks like him.

He looks like a 200-pound guy.

Borjalio is also 32.

Is he 32?

Yeah.

Is that true?

I think him as like a young kid.

Wow, Imavav is 20-something, 27.

28, I think.

29, maybe.

This is a good fight.

It's a good good fight.

Very good fight.

Man.

But Harley was really, really explosive.

Look at him.

Probably the better athlete.

I wonder how much it fucks with them watching Roofy get tapped right before.

That's what I was just thinking.

It can be good.

Your first loss with the nerds.

I know, and he's a good friend of yours.

Yeah.

Training partner.

And you all went through training camp for this night.

And he gets mud stomped.

Right.

And maybe you know how you go with him.

Mud stomped.

Well, you just get your shit pushed in, and you're like, oh, we just did an entire camp not to get taken down.

And then that guy, we didn't last a chance.

There's definitely some doubt in that.

You're like, oh, shit, our camp's not the best.

Yeah.

Bro, I was huge.

What was Iman Vov's kickboxing background before he became an MMA fighter?

He has a background in striking, right?

Am I wrong?

No, he has a background in striking.

Because it doesn't matter.

It certainly looks like it.

When I'm looking at the way, I mean, everything looks real.

Like that stutter step that he did before he delivered that right hand, that's really high level, man.

And look at how he throws that front teep to the body.

He's fucking good, man.

I remember Strickland beat him.

I think Strickland took it on short notice.

Bro, Strickland puts that pressure on you.

I'm telling you.

And it's a different style.

It's a weird fucking style.

Remember that fight?

Strickland kind of broke him.

Yeah, he kind of broke him.

I think he just overwhelmed his cardio to the point where it became defensive.

That's what I would say.

Because Trickland just keeps that pressure on him.

Look what he did to Izzy.

Same shit.

He keeps that pressure on you.

See, that'd be a good fight for Izzy.

Oh, yeah.

I think Izzy wants that fight.

I think they're actually talking about that fight.

Because Trickland's

suspension's up in November or something like that.

Anger Management.

For jumping in the ring and punching somebody.

I don't know if it's true, but

I saw a thing on the internet.

It could be fake.

It also could very well be real.

That he got kicked out of anger management because he kept threatening to fight the teacher.

I think that was just

a meme.

Barhalio almost got the trip.

Yeah, almost got that trip.

But Imovov is no joke, man.

No joke grappling too.

Good defense, but standing up, he seems to have an advantage.

He's doing a really good job of keeping you on the fence.

I know.

Musasi.

Yeah, a little bit, right?

Yeah.

That was a guy that didn't get his flowers.

That was a guy who did not get his flowers.

Fucking kidding.

Gagard Musasi was a fucking animal.

You know, he used to train with Fedor.

Oh, really?

Yep.

That makes sense.

Remember Musasi, we started the big dick energy rumor about him?

Yes.

And then his manager told me he was, yeah,

he loved it.

Of course he loved it.

We're saying he probably has a big dick, and he probably does, man.

Sure, he don't wear hats like that smart.

That's a big giant dick.

So smart, man.

Very well read.

Yeah, and very high fight IQ, too.

Just intelligent in his approach to fighting, but ferocious.

But then he went to Bellator and picked up.

They put him on the shelf there.

He never did.

He was going to sue him to get out.

But he's too old now.

Like, how old is he now?

He's fucked up.

He wastes like three years in there.

Yeah.

How old is Gegard Musasi now, Jamie?

54?

Remember when he knocked out Wideman?

Fuck it.

Remember what he knocked out Jockre Souza with that upkick?

But Souza then got worried now.

What's that?

He's 40.

40.

Yeah,

40.

It's over.

It's over.

I mean, if you're claiming.

Oh, oh, oh, nice shot.

You can fight in other organizations and keep the

train kept a rolling.

22 and 12.

I feel fantastic.

Remember when Souza put him in that guillotine, though?

Just like Jock Ray just caught him and it was like

crazy.

Well, you know, Jock Ray is Jock Ray.

Yeah.

Yeah, he's a beast.

I can't believe that.

Do you see Strickland's tweet about Rampage's son?

He's like, we're both head to anger management.

Just one of us is going to have a felony on their record.

Or one of us is going to be able to own a gun afterwards.

Oof.

It's a good fight, man.

Yeah, Bahalio's closing the distance now.

Yeah.

This is interesting.

So there's a thing about him breaking when he fought Strickland.

If you think he broke, he melted, yeah.

Like, did he, but did he just run out of cardio or did he lose his enthusiasm?

He was giving as good as he was getting, though.

They were, they were socking it out to the last minute.

But he broke him.

He broke him.

Yeah.

I mean, he certainly overwhelmed him.

He certainly overwhelmed him.

But you can tell just the guy's

from his face

when he wants out.

It's also an intelligent thing.

It's an intelligence thing.

If you know that you don't have enough left, like here's an example.

Last round of Strickland versus Adesanya.

Strickland's like, fuck it, come on, come on.

He's coming towards him.

Is he going to do?

Yeah, all right, let's do it.

Knock me out.

Like, fuck that.

Like, you're exhausted.

You got dropped in the first round.

You're losing the fight.

You know, you're losing the fight.

Stay defensive.

Just get out of there.

You could say, oh, he broke him, but isn't that just a smart move?

If you don't have anything left, if you can't do it, like you know you're too fucking tired to fight the guy off are you supposed to what are you supposed to do throw yourself into the fire i mean you could try that that doesn't usually work

how many guys put but the thing is it's like you want a guy but you want a guy who just wants to fight to the end too so it's like it's more entertaining i know it's like what do you what what do you favor do you favor intelligence and tactics and live to fight another day do you look at it in terms of an entire career like if you just decide to throw down right there and you're exhausted and you know you're exhausted and you only got a couple of seconds of haymakers in you and then you get ko'd and flatline you're at the jaw you get your jaw wired shot at the hospital and you're spending

i love seeing fighters that don't get hit like that that that skill the ability to take less damage to me is what now as somebody who's such a fan of fighting i that's what i love right but then you have max alloway last round he has done for you

winning the fight points at the ground and the universe rewards him

with a highlight real ko of just

strikers will,

in general, be bigger stars than grapplers.

Always.

But grapplers will, in general, be more successful.

Yeah, they have a higher winning percentage, for sure.

But the stars are always strikers.

Always, always, always.

Look at Connor, look at Izzy.

Always.

The biggest stars are always striking.

Yep, always.

Yeah, they put on that.

Well, that's the casuals, that's what they know.

Like, oh, he punches him, he knocks.

Oh, man, I don't care who he is.

He's stick to the body.

It's such a, everybody's so talented now.

It's just crazy.

I know.

It's really interesting, man.

You know, it's that way with everything.

It's that way with everything.

Because they're watching each other.

Even

my son at nine years old, like,

you watch these baseball players.

You're like, these kids are fucking nine.

This is how good everybody is right now?

Yeah.

Because they specialize in it.

It's like singers.

They specialize in it also.

They get to see what it looks like on YouTube.

I think that's a big thing.

I agree.

I think everybody watching everybody is making everybody else way better.

Because We have a lot more shared knowledge now.

Yes.

Way more.

Because when we were coming up, it was like, whatever the best kid in the neighborhood, if I was the best kid, it's like, oh man, this

is so good.

But I didn't see the kid in fucking Cuba playing it now.

And now the kids are privy to it.

They're like, oh, shit.

We got people like Gordon Ryan breaking down jiu-jitsu.

There's a kid in jiu-jitsu.

His name is, the thing is Daniel220Volt, I think it is on Instagram.

Dude, he's like fucking eight years old.

He's like shredded with an APAC.

And he's doing like flying arm bars and shit on kids.

And it's turned.

It's fucking insane.

That's so cool.

He's got like 600,000 followers.

He's like nine years old.

That is a good thing.

And he just goes in and just crushes it.

But to that point, the kids are pushing themselves so much now and specializing in each sport, and they're getting fucking good.

But like Tommy John's surgery is up 80% with kids under 13 years old.

Oh, they're doing it on purpose?

Just to give them an advantage?

Some of them, and then some of them, because they're throwing so hard now.

This is this kid.

Who's this dude?

Oh, my God.

There's one.

Try to find the one where he's doing a flying arm bar.

It's pretty recent.

It's up at the top.

Look how Jack is in that one.

There's one.

Oh,

just look at this.

Oh, my God.

We're missing out on a good fight.

Sorry, this is supposed to be a fight going to be a little bit more difficult.

The kid was never cheating.

Or Hollywood just landed a right hand.

We touched on a lot of subjects.

Yeah.

The thing about a guy like Imamov that I was going to get at with the cardio is much like Connor, like these guys that are real fast and explosive, that is like sprinting.

Oh, correct.

that was a nice ride to the bottom

you can't do both you're not gonna find a guy with crazy knockout power great card lights

right so the difference between him and Murab is Murab just kind of mauls you yeah he's moving fast and powerful but once he gets a shot or two off he's shooting

every time no matter what and that pressure like clockwork that pressure is gonna make his strikes even more effective because you never know when the strikes are coming you know boxers used to do this thing they still do where they run for like an hour and a half and you keep your heart weight at a certain level not super high and that's that's how you build new capillaries and stuff.

Lance Armstrong would do that too.

Yeah, they call it, what do they call that zone two training?

Yeah, over training.

Yeah, for the longer time.

The boxers would do it for like literally run an hour and a half and stuff.

Yeah, but UFC guys do that.

Really?

Yeah.

I think all elite athletes in all sports are doing stuff.

Yeah, all the secrets are.

Wow, there's no, there's no,

yeah, now all the secrets are now.

You get to this level of the talent.

Like the technical, when you look at how technical everybody is now, like this fight right now, this is an awesome fight.

If these guys were just kickboxers, this would be an awesome.

This is like a high-level fight.

Yep.

And they're not,

their cardio is great.

Like, look at this.

They're both

still early.

It's the second round.

Yeah.

There's another.

There's not a lot of wrestling.

Very smart, Chales Sunnin quote.

He was saying that no one can fight full blast for 25 minutes.

It's just too long.

Fight full blast.

There's robbicks that differ.

Yeah, that's what I was going to get to.

It's like, okay, but isn't that like no one can, if you run a marathon, you will die.

I'll tell you right now, you want to run 26 miles.

Your kidneys will dysfunction.

That's right.

You will bleed out of your pancreas, and you will die.

There's people that will tell you that, right?

Cam Haynes ran 220 miles or something like that?

More.

Yeah.

He's run more.

I think the Bigfoot 240 is 238.

I hung with him in Eugene.

Oh, nice right hand.

Oh, right-hand back.

Oh, they both landed good shots there.

Oh, Imovov.

Dude, this is good.

How do you score this fight?

I don't even fucking know.

We barely paid attention.

We were watching little kids strangle each other.

We were watching little kids do arm bars.

I think we should get back to the vaccines.

Let's get back to that.

I knew we were going to touch on it.

When I was a kid, you know, when

like martial arts was on television, it was on TV.

Like maybe like pka karate would be on TV.

Remember those days like on ESPN?

Like maybe like once a month on a Saturday, you'd watch two dudes in karate pants throw bad kicks at each other.

Yep.

Imagine like kids growing up and seeing this now.

I know.

From the time they're like babies, they're seeing elite level MMA.

Yeah.

Elite level grappling, striking.

And then if they're like become fans and they get crazy, then they get fight pass.

They start watching UFC Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.

You know what the big difference now is?

There's the UFC video game.

So like I learned sports through video games.

Me and my brother play Madden or Tecmoball.

So I knew everything about football, the rules, everything.

All the players.

But now they have the ufc game so my kids like know who homzot is not when he fights you know from the video game so when they see him like oh there's homsat because they pick him all the time in the game that's crazy and they know to use his wrestling that's crazy through the video game yeah but that makes sense yeah i beat i played like i don't know 10 years ago i played like the first ufc video game and i would just get so fucking mad because i like couldn't do the moves yeah

i know how to do i'm like fucking what's the board of the buttons that was a nice right hand yeah it was look at that boom that was a good right hand back by Bahany.

It was a good fight.

Yeah, it is.

I play some of the things.

They've never figured out a way.

There's probably not a way until they get like real, something that can really change your actual experience, like what you're seeing, where they could make a virtual reality game with grappling.

But you can with striking, at least with boxing.

They have those.

It's fucking good, dude.

It's good.

I'm dripping.

It's

competitive.

Like, this thing's coming at you, throwing punches at you.

You'd like it, Brian.

You look ridiculous, but yeah.

You look ridiculous.

I've done it.

It's great.

Yeah, but you hold your gloves the wrong way, unfortunately, because if you punch normal, like

the gloves are like upside down.

But it's a workout.

That's a real workout.

Oh, he hurt him.

He hurt him.

He hurt him.

Yeah.

Snapped his head back.

Oh, now you see blood.

Ah, body shot.

Nice.

Oh, shit.

Bro, Imavov looks good.

Yeah, he does.

He does.

Yeah, he does.

Bohalio looks like he's recovered, though.

He's

dirty.

He's getting touched.

He's getting touched.

And I just don't think either of these guys beat Hamza.

Yeah, they got to deal with that whole wrestling thing.

Good luck with that.

Good luck to everybody.

That's a really hard puzzle to solve.

I think for a guy like Imavov, too, what we're seeing is this version of him that learned a lot from the Strickland fight.

You know?

I mean, I think a guy like that.

He got in the boss, did he?

Yeah, I think a guy like that goes through a loss like that and is like, okay, I gotta up my cardio, I gotta up my pace, I gotta not let people push me around, I gotta learn from that.

I didn't expect that because if you see strict on the outside, you don't know what to do.

And that's what I think that's where fighters make their biggest growth.

Either they make so much growth and get so much better and become contenders, or they go the fucking opposite.

That's why I'm hoping happens with Bo Nickel.

If I have to watch him fucking strike again, I'm gonna freak the fuck out.

Dude, use your goddamn grappling, man.

Get with someone to help you with your grappling.

They put him in there fast, too.

Like, they super fast.

Like, RDR is the UFC, baby.

It's the UFC, baby.

But that's the thing that, like, Ed Tor says it.

Like, if you get, if you go to the UFC, be ready to fight anybody they offer you.

Don't say no to anybody.

Otherwise, don't come.

But is that smart if you're developing a fighter?

Makes no sense.

It's not really smart.

But the thing is, like, some guys can pull it off, like John, right?

So, John did it.

You know, I remember John against the standard Gustafsson or um bonner um no uh gustmau like one of his first fights and i i remember thinking like where's this guy coming from like this is crazy this guy is so good when you saw him against jake o'bryan yeah jesus christ goes for yeah boom yeah oh bro he was he was something special so that guy got thrown right into the fire 22 years old fights shogun you know in new jersey wins the title it's crazy but you're in the big leagues but he's a freak most guys if you were raising them and training them,

if you were raising them through their career, you'd be like...

We need to test you.

We need to test you against a real scientist.

But they've done that with Patty Pimlett now.

They've done well with him.

They do well with Sugar Sean O'Malley because I think the USC has learned, like with Darren Till, such a talent.

Look at what he's doing now.

They pushed him way too fast.

Way too fucking fast.

And it fucks these guys up.

Bro, Till can fucking strike.

He can crack, man.

He's made a career for himself.

He can strike.

Yeah.

And that knockout of Luke Rockhall was crazy.

It was crazy.

I think the UFC did learn, but the UFC can only do so much.

They can only do so much, and Sugar Sean, they're like, all right, here's Peter Young.

I think Darren had knee problems, too.

I think that's part of the thing.

He asked for his release so he could get on that acai and get his injuries and heal up.

Ah, that makes sense.

Because he's like, I can't do this.

You guys are testing me all the time.

Release me.

They didn't cut him.

He asked for his release.

Most people think he was cut.

He asked for his release.

Ah, that makes sense.

And I'm just starching dudes outside the UFC.

Bro, he looks so good against Rockhold.

I'm like, this guy might have a career as a legitimate boxer.

He started off as a Muay Thai guy.

He actually had

some boxing bouts, too.

Yeah, he's

fucking good.

He's Fouch next.

Yeah, Carl Froch, but Carl Froch is 150 years old.

You guys are missing out.

These guys are in each other's grill right now.

I know we are missing out.

They're in mid-distance here, just banging it out.

Great defense.

Browse's defense is outstanding, man.

I just think this is great.

I just think Comzotte eats these guys.

Well, he takes them down.

He takes them down.

If you're that close to him.

He finishes both of them.

It just is what it is.

You think so?

That's it?

Yeah.

Bro, he looks good.

But it's the difference in his feints, like as he's moving in.

Everything's very precise.

Very much.

He does the.

I like that move.

That's nice.

Oh,

I pose.

You like his footwork, right, Joe?

Haeconomic steps.

He's got this stutter step that he does when he's coming in, where you think he's coming in and then you relax a second, and

he lulls you to sleep a little bit.

Yeah, it's high level.

This kid is a stud.

Look at this.

Oh, that sucks.

See, this is where you're like, let that time run, baby.

Let's get this lung capacity back.

Let's slow this heart rate down.

Let him boo.

That's fine.

Right?

If you're in his corner.

Yep.

Let him boo.

Let him boo.

Let him boo.

No one ever takes a full ever.

It's never been done.

Really?

It's never been done.

That's crazy.

No one's taking the full five.

Wow.

It's a lot of pressure.

Dude, five minutes was a long time when you're in there and never fucking.

And plus the crowd, like I've been kicked in the nuts by Gonzaga, poked in the eye by Krokop.

That's fine.

And you think you want the five minutes, and the crowd's like, fuck you.

You're like, okay, I'm good.

No, I'm fine.

I'm good.

And you're not.

Oh my God.

God, these guys are evenly matched.

That was a pretty deep shot.

Yeah, it was.

There's so many.

He got in well, but he didn't fully commit to it.

And we are only in round three of a five-round fight.

He doesn't want to gas.

I really don't know how I'd score this at this point.

Because we haven't barely been paying attention to it.

No, I've been watching.

I've been watching it.

From the small fraction I've seen, Immova's up two rounds.

Really?

Yeah.

Yeah, I thought he definitely won that last round.

He's landing the more effective strikes.

But again, you ain't getting a title shot against Hamzat fighting like this.

It's just not the best.

It depends on how it ends.

Yeah.

Correct.

Who's RDR fighting again?

Fluffy Hernandez.

Oh, there you go.

And this is where, and again, who knows, Joe?

You know, you're the expert.

But when you said RDR is the best matchup,

I think it's his easiest.

Really?

Yeah.

I think he knocked him out cold.

Oh, standing.

Yeah.

I don't think he bothers out now.

Who's that?

Yeah,

that's a good point.

He's been knocked out before.

He's been dropped by Whitaker.

And the difference between his stand-up versus Hamzat's stand-up is pretty significant.

Also,

the fact that RDR will be concerned about the takedown means that he's going to be timid to really open up standing.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like, if you watch what Hamzat does to those guys, like, those

are the first.

The second he does start to get comfortable standing is when Hamzat would put him down.

That Mershot fight.

He went, whoop, bam.

Yeah, when he knows he's got an injury.

He can strike.

It's clean.

And he loves to strike, like, even against DDP.

He's like, let me fucking light this guy up.

You know?

Srukin's like, no, no, no.

Just keep doing what you're doing, dude.

Let's get to check and get the fuck out of him.

But he's getting all this criticism from the fan base.

You're boring, boring champion.

He's like, I'm boring?

Hobson?

Okay.

Okay.

Watch this.

And RDRs, I'm like, yeah, let's do it.

A lot of pressure on him to stay winning, though, too.

He has the pedigree to do it.

Yeah, he does.

I mean, once you're a champion, that's the most important thing.

Yes.

Just keep winning.

Now you're making real money.

And I'm curious what the EFC is going to do with the payout because his pay-per-view points before, and now that's gone.

Yeah.

You know?

Right.

Do you think they do it based on how many people watch?

That would be

the best way to do it.

Right?

So it's like ratings on a TV show.

If you got friends' ratings, you get a lot of money.

You get a percentage of the ad revenue?

I don't know how you would do it.

It's way above my pay grade.

I don't know how you would do it, but I would imagine something like that would be reasonable.

Like the idea idea is that, like, if more money is being acquired by the company, if they're making more money now, it would be great if the fighters got paid more money.

That just makes sense.

And I think the UFC is going to do that.

They're going to do it.

Even if the UFC doubled everybody's pay, they're still only putting out 50% of overall pay.

So for the UFC, it's a win-win.

Borall is winning this.

Borrell is more busy with this man.

He's way more busy.

He looks good in this round.

Yeah.

And that's the thing.

It's like these rounds, you know, this is only a minute in, and this is the fourth.

Yeah.

So there's got a lot of fighting left to go.

And Barrow's been busy.

But, Joe, you'll hear

you'll hear guys argue fighter pay and they compare it to the NFL and NBA and they go, it should be 50-50.

And I don't agree with that.

Because any league that's ever done above what the UFC has done, they're all out of business.

There's only one promotion ever in the history of fighting that makes a profit.

It's the UFC.

And it's not the NFL.

It's not the NBA.

It's different.

So it's hard to argue that they should do it any different again even if they doubled everybody's pay it's still only 15 of profit yeah they can do it it's nothing

and you can always fight somewhere else

that's that's a tricky one you could yeah you could yeah that's a that's a good argument but then it's like would you want to look at your overall career like what your potential for stardom is there's no question if you go to just just elite guys that got paid really well in the pfl that nobody knows who they are and they maybe they made more money than the ufc but they won't get the same kind of sponsors They won't get the same.

It's not even close.

You're basically, you went from the NFL to CFL.

Yeah.

I mean,

I see both sides, but at the end of the day, if you want to make Connor money, do Connor ship.

Correct.

That's true.

Oh, oh, Bohalio just caught him with a right hook.

Oh,

oh, oh, oh, boy.

Damn, him a hobbit is back, though.

Oh, these dudes are throwing down.

Damn.

These dudes are throwing down.

God.

Excellent.

Bohalio's.

His defense, bro.

He's such a high-level fight.

Both their defense is really good.

Really good.

They're just strictly boxing, basically, right now.

Yeah, not a whole lot of kicks, right?

Too close.

Also, neither guy can get the other down.

They've tried.

Yeah.

It's also tiring.

Yeah.

My volley was throwing some kicks earlier.

He threw a lot of front kicks to the body, too.

They keep tying up like this, but there's no like real shots, you know.

Right, they're just grappling in this cage.

Getting rest.

Both have great cardio.

Exhausting.

Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,

dude.

Damn, that was a nice one.

That was

not connected.

Oh, God.

Somebody's going to get stuck in this map.

They're opening up now.

Oh, these boys are swinging.

They're very close to getting cracked.

Each one of those punches is missing by an inch.

Yep.

God.

This is when it's the most terrifying.

If like a guy has a giant advantage when you're like deep into the fourth and you're exhausted and he's got a giant striking advantage, he just got caught again.

And maybe you tried taking him down and it didn't work out.

So Imovov was born in Dagestan, but then moved to France.

Is that how his French citizenship?

When he was nine, I'd say, okay, that's a long ass time.

From when he's not, yeah, but that's enough.

He got the soul of the country in his bones.

Culture of work

ethic.

But it's like, what a history of combat sports, man.

Dagestan?

Yeah, it's crazy.

It's not a big place.

Armenia, Azerbaijan.

All of them.

Armenia.

Think how many Armenians have been

fighters.

Both fight wrestling and boxing, wrestling, kickboxing, MMA.

Huge part of the culture.

Same with Azerbaijan, same with Dager.

I used to love Armenians back in L.A.

They were real men.

They're great.

They were men.

Just men men.

Did you ever see in this like probably two years ago in LA?

They tried bringing like the trans shit into Armenian district.

Did you see what happened?

Did you see all the hairy Armenian?

Just a line of G-Wagons show up to the school here.

Just colonial G-Wagons.

They don't fucking enjoy it.

Armenians aren't here in a picture.

No, they rioted.

They're like, no, this ain't gonna happen.

Nah, not with our kids.

Schoolbird, but our bad.

Yeah, bitch.

Good luck with that.

Don't fuck with the Armenians.

Yeah.

They're tight.

They're a tight group.

Tight group.

Yep.

Had to be.

Yeah, they tried bringing in like the safe rooms in our means.

Oh, oh, oh, just caught him with a nice left hook and a right hand.

God, they're a couple rugged fucks.

Their faces look pretty clean.

Probably was a little more beat up.

Yeah.

Dude, kidding me right now?

But imagine how much

of time, like, imagine how much time this takes off your fighting career versus if they just grappled the whole fight.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Well, not just your fighting career, man.

Your actual life.

Your life.

Yeah, your brain.

Yeah.

I mean this is a car accident.

When you think about the kind of pressure

that

this fight puts on your, just every

everything.

Your lungs, your heart, your brain, your bones.

But what a thing, right?

But you're not even considering the eight weeks in camp.

Right.

You're going in the fights just beat up.

That's a part of it.

The camp fucks you up.

If you have hard enough training partners, you're getting fucked up in camp.

What was the worst injury you ever went into a fight with?

I got knocked out three days before I fought Nogero.

Oh my god.

And I got knocked out four days before I fought Rothwell.

Oh my God.

Shane Carwin, sir.

Oh my God.

That is so

I would watch him spar these giants and they would go full and I was just like so horrified.

And you didn't even warm up.

You guys would just start banging.

I was like, leave the fucking kiddie.

That is so ridiculous.

He literally wouldn't warm up.

I'm not kidding.

That's so ridiculous to fight three days after being KO'd.

That's so crazy.

We just didn't know any better.

And then people are like, oh, shop doesn't have a chin.

It's like, yeah, yes and no.

Fuck you.

I got knocked out by Carwin right before this.

You had your fucking nose shattered by Crocop.

It's just such a nutty sport, man.

Yeah, it is.

Last round.

It's also the best sport.

It's the best sport.

Yeah.

I mean, it's everything.

The thing is, sparring in practice.

it's everything, yeah.

It requires everything, that's for sure.

Well, the thing is, it's like it transcends all languages, cultures, everything.

Everybody can watch this and know exactly what's happening.

But also, to your point, Joe, you're watching this, you're knowing these guys are taking years off their lives.

Yep, like that's what you're dealing with.

So, I love when people say horseback riding uses every muscle in your body.

Like, there's some fights, like Justin Gaitschi, Tony Ferguson, that are hard to watch.

Yeah, right, it's hard to watch.

That's horrible because it should have been stopped.

Yeah,

well, it's not a problem.

That's also how this game goes.

That's how the game goes.

He's tough, he didn't want to quit.

He was trying to fight to the bitter end.

Oh, fucking nice one.

Oh, my God.

That's the ultimate example.

That's a great example.

But that's also like.

Like, you lost five years if you're bank off that fight.

Boxing, they would have stopped

for him.

That's the name of the fucking game.

Yeah.

But it's like when it's expressed that purely, it's like something special to watch.

I mean, it's a horrifically violent fight.

The two fights that one was the Ferguson Gaci fight and the other was the Ortega-Olovsky-Volkanovsky fight.

That was awful.

I would have stopped that way earlier.

We knew who the winner was.

There's a few fights where you just go, oh, I wish this guy would just stop.

Just the corner would say, This is an official.

That's when your corner has to throw in the towel because fighters are too tough for that.

They're fucking Frankie and Gray Manor.

Oh, God.

But he won.

But imagine if he throwing the towel then.

If he throwing the towel, then he fucking loses.

Bro, in his prime, Frankie Edgar was a fucking durable dude.

And the thing about him was he was a real 155.

He wasn't stuck weight.

An actual 55.

He actually weighed 155.

He's beating these dudes who are cutting crazy weight.

Didn't he fight 45?

He did eventually.

And then he fought 35.

Yep.

He's about to fight bare knuckle, right?

He's getting a million bucks, though.

Is he really?

Yep.

Whoa.

For real?

For real?

For real.

Damn.

I get it.

Poked again.

Yeah, he took a shit.

Fuck yeah, I get it.

Three two-minute rounds?

Fuck yeah.

Poke in the eye

You might have to give him a point.

He's fighting Jimmy Rivera, who's no punk, but million bucks, they're gonna give you a good matchup.

Jimmy Rivera was good

in the UFC.

He was one of my favorite.

Solid striker.

Yeah.

Like very compact.

Yeah,

dude.

Dude, needing the balls, poked twice.

Fuck.

He's gonna give my point.

Yeah, sometimes I think I have a problem because I watch every fight.

Pre-limbs up.

I watch every fight, then I'll watch BYB, backyard brawling.

I'll watch BKFC.

Whatever fight, I'll just watch all of it.

So you think you have a problem because you like it?

I can't get enough of it.

We're all watching it right now.

We're having fun.

Like, why would that be bad?

Yeah, but like, I'll go home and watch the prelims and shit.

I probably will too.

Yeah.

There's a few fighters on the prelims that I'd like to check out.

And then I also like to watch some of the fights that I was talking through.

Me too.

Yeah,

you haven't lost your enthusiasm for watching fights in ever.

You know, Mike Jeremy Stevenson.

Jamie Stevens.

Mike's.

That is going to be crazy.

It's tough to watch the chicks turn each other into a pole.

I don't like it.

Especially when Paige Van Ant was fighting.

I'm like, ooh, please don't.

No.

I know.

Save your face, girl.

When they're ugly, it's fucked up.

Oh, Hollywood just cracked him.

Oh, bro.

Oh, boy.

Oh, boy.

Oh, boy.

Oh, boy.

That's going to be the only clutch.

Watch your fingers, bro.

He's got to watch his fucking fingers, man.

Annihilated.

So, what is he doing?

Is he sticking his hands forward?

Every time he comes through, he comes in with those fingers.

That's a big fucking problem.

Look at that.

He's got his, he's poking his

out.

Oh my god, he's totally doing that.

No, it's a big problem because it fucks your whole rhythm up and everything else.

Also, and then you can take advantage of it.

Bro, he's doing it again.

I know.

It's also a way to become world champion.

That's true.

It's crazy.

He keeps getting to body locks and unlocking.

He like locks his hands violently.

And let's go.

See, I must feel some kind of danger.

That is no proper shot.

Varhalo's worrying about his fucking fingers.

He shoots a shitty shot.

And then builds up to the ways well.

And then let's go.

Let's go.

I know.

It's very strange.

I don't know.

Like a takedown would be big.

Huge.

Yeah.

It is kind of weird that Goddard isn't saying anything while he's extending his fingers.

Get those fucking fingers out there.

He's literally not supposed to do that.

I know.

That's.

I mean, what is the law?

I think that is the rule.

You can't be doing this when people are trying to stand in the face.

You can't stand.

You can't go out like this or up.

Nope.

No, fuck.

You can't extend any fingers now.

Can you do this?

Because now every time you go in, you're worried about getting picked in your eye well why we why do we have extended fingers in the first place why don't we cover those things with leather

we've been over this man yeah we didn't cover it again

someone's not listening to us

look eye pokes are a real problem

but but the fingers like this they don't help you with grappling you don't

here's the problem

so they changed the gloves before knockdowns went down like 60 so you have sees all fuck that but the the real issue is is as soon as imavov touches his eye, you should automatically deduct a point.

I guarantee you he doesn't do it again.

The reason he's getting away with it is because, hey, don't do that again.

He's like, yeah, no doubt.

That's a very complicated thing.

He's done three times on the left.

That's true, too.

If you take, if there's no, if there's absolutely black and white, you touch their fucking eye, you lose a point.

Guys are going to stop doing it.

100%.

But they're too loosey dudes.

You got to take them down here.

And nut shots, too.

Any nut shot, fence grab, any of that shit would take a point.

Signal.

If you do a nutshot with the proper cup, you don't even get hurt, but you can pretend you got hurt.

Yep.

Six seconds.

Oh, oh, oh.

He caught him twice.

Oh, shit.

Oh, no.

Oh, no.

What a fight.

What a fight, dude.

That was a crazy fight.

I'm avoid decision.

I told you I'm avoid decision.

I'm thinking maybe I'm avoid here.

I don't know.

Yeah, it looked like Imavavovav.

Movav decision.

When a fight like that, like, it's almost like it takes a couple of seconds for these dudes to chill and hug each other.

You know what I mean?

Like, for a couple seconds.

Yeah, that was like, remember Robbie Lawler after he fought fucking, was it

Henderson?

Johnny Hendricks?

Johnny Hendricks, yeah.

And just after he won, after the fight, he just kept looking at him like this, just sitting there with his lip all fucking.

I mean, he's so game.

Robbie Lawler, I don't know if you make a human being tougher than Robbie Lawler.

Animal in his prime.

Yeah.

One of the greatest knockouts of all time is him versus Melvin Minos.

Oh my God.

And Melvin Monroes were eating his legs.

Eating his legs.

He was fucking him up.

Like bowling pants.

And remember in New York when they were protesting and he was on the bus?

No.

Oh, yeah.

He was on the bus.

They were protesting on the streets and there was a UFC fucking

black van filled with fighters.

Oh, God.

And Robbie Lawler's one of them.

And everyone's like, oh, my God, they're about to break in.

And he goes, sit down, conserve your energy.

We're going to need it.

Because those doors open, they're going to have problems.

And think of Robbie Lawler walks off that fucking bus.

Good luck.

And some blue-headed lady's like, you son of a bitch.

Yeah, Yeah.

Joyce.

He could beat up a wire.

What was that protest about?

Was it a Gaza protest?

Was that what it was?

No, it was Black Lives Matter, I think.

Was it?

Yeah.

So what year was this?

And they do matter, Joe.

I've always had to do.

What year was that?

When all the chaos is going on.

Has that always been there?

That

guy?

Palestinian protest.

Really?

Yeah.

Palestinian protests.

I've never seen that.

The Palestinian protest.

And the fighters have nothing to do with it.

They're just trying to get to the arena.

So it was a Gaza thing.

So this was, what time was this what what year was this jeremy

two years ago 2023 2023 yeah wow isn't that crazy that gaza shit's been going on that long have you seen what gaza looks like now like the surface of the moon

oh here it goes

49 46 it seems like

unanimous decision imavolved for sure

NASA Dean Imavolve.

Wow.

He's not getting

you called it.

Well, I mean, who else then?

who's getting

the winner of rdr fluffy well it really depends on what that fight looks like right because this was a fucking war this was a good fight

he might

he might not have stopped him but he put on a show both both of their stock went after the battle they both went after it yeah

it was a good fight you didn't think it was a good fight it's a good fight it ain't gonna get you a title shot hmm interesting well what would it based off the ufc's standards okay but like who is the big star behind these guys now?

Behind Imovov.

So Imovov just has this great performance.

He's ranked number two.

He's on TV, right?

Who's the big star other than him?

You mean to fight Kyle?

I can leapfrog?

Could jump him?

Fluffy and Fred.

Fluffy and RDR, if there's a finish, they're guaranteed to get it.

If they get a finish, which that fight should be a finish.

But let's say that one's boring, too.

Your biggest star is Strickland.

Right.

He's the biggest star.

And he beat him of them.

And I'll talk shit.

Right.

And we can build that fight for a pay-per-view.

Although there's no pay-per-views.

I wonder if he can get right back in there like that.

He comes back in November, December if he's not.

Right, but does he go right back into a title shot or does he have to fight somebody?

Because he lost to Dricus.

Yep.

He hasn't lost anybody since then.

That was quite a while ago.

And that fight with Dricus was...

Pretty close.

Well, he also had a staff.

You know, he also had staff going into that second fight, which is a way bigger deal than you would think.

Yeah.

Wow, I bet the average person would think.

Yeah, drain your cards.

Just because of the

antibiotics and the fucking antibiotics and just the staff itself.

Zap energy and cardio.

Yeah, and you're also fighting one of the most physical guys in the division who's a fucking bulldog.

Drickus is an animal.

He never gets tired, comes fucking throwing haymakers at you.

He keeps punching.

What do you do with DDP now?

I don't know.

It's a good question.

Isn't it crazy?

Like, he was

UFC champion, the king of the world, on top, and then just gets manhandled for it.

But this is how it goes.

He's going to turn into a gatekeeper until he thinks he's ready for a title shot again, if Hamza keeps being aware of it.

But it's tough tough if he needs Hamza to either move up or move on you know but because it's no one wants to see that for five rounds well let me say this you you're a grappling expert all right if they hired you if they said listen we know we have to make some changes and we want a real genius to look at my game what it what can i do if i work with ddp

seven days a week for a year

Jesus Christ.

He could be

at the bare minimum competitive with the Kamzat that he fought

at the bare minimum.

But then remember, if he does that with you seven days a week, he has to forego all his other shit.

Probably should do that anyway.

Yep.

Right?

How about that?

What a return story that is.

So that's the issue: you need to split everything up.

But there's right now, there's such a discrepancy in the grappling that needs to take priority.

Like

he could do grappling seven days a week and then spend time keeping his other skills sharp or striking sharp in the the morning

but he just got dominated across the board when he hit the grappling like he couldn't he couldn't not only could he not stop the takedown but he also couldn't get up and when he did get position on hamzat he couldn't hold it correct so i wonder what's like a protocol where you like if you continue to add work like if you start off with 10 miles then you want to work to 11 and 12 and 13 you start off like training in mma you start off at this pace and then you have a heart rate monitor on you want to push it faster and harder.

Like, I wonder what the fucking threshold is if we've even seen it yet.

I really wonder.

Because we've always had these ideas before, guys like Murab, that there's these physical limitations, that a guy can't fight every minute of every round.

But yeah, they can.

So, like, are we there yet?

Or is this like one of those things where no one knows yet?

Because they have limited pain.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, it's like the four-minute mile.

Oh,

you know, there's things like that.

Yeah.

Where guys just have to see it.

They go, hold on, that's possible.

And then they're like, well, if he can do it, I can do it.

That sport's only 30 years old.

I know it's nuts.

And it really, in this form, is only 20 years old.

Because, like, 2005, go back and watch a 2005 UFC fight.

It's pretty different.

Pretty different.

Yeah, pretty different.

The athletes, the technique.

There's nothing like this.

There's no other sport like this.

And if you look at the sport now, like you have guys who are like specialists in one thing, and then, you know, like Pereira's a great striker and then he's like decent everywhere else or you know Khabib's a great grappler and then he's you know got decent striking you know 20 years from now people are going to be specialists in fucking everything yeah they're going to be doing it from the time they're kids like like see we've said that but we haven't seen it like they said that 10 years ago They've said that and for whatever reason, you might be right.

You might be right, but the specialists have always dominated.

Yeah.

The thing is, it's like, if you're a specialist, those starters are also just meatheads.

So that's another issue.

Fair.

But

coming from a fellow meathead, because those guys that are specials are so dominant in that one aspect that it blankets everything else.

Because they control where the fights could be.

The finality of MMA, in my opinion, should be a situation where

a generalist MMA fighter can be competitive with specialists across the board in every martial art.

So it could

hold its own with the world's best boxer, his weight, world's best jiu-jitsu guy, his weight, world's best wrestler, and his weight.

That's hard.

World's best jiu-jitsu.

See, I don't think that's possible, Grun.

Listen, who you're talking to, dog.

But you might be able to.

You just got a

protege that's willing to put it in.

So, for example,

they make peptides legal hours in the day.

So, for example, like

for example,

like with wrestling, like I'm that I'm never going to be the best freestyle wrestler in the world, but under an ADCC rule set, I can hang with anyone, any Olympic Olympic champion under ADCC score scoring criteria in a wrestling match so like you're not going to be not the MMA guys won't be beating the best guys in their domain but they can be competitive enough with the best guys in the world where they're not going to get finished yeah like like they're they won't you know if uh if a guy is if you know this finality i'm talking about if a guy is wrestling an olympic champion maybe he gets taken down four times for every two that he hits.

So he's losing every match, but it's at least competitive.

Stuff like that.

So he's getting finished, you know, every for every one finish.

Who's the closest that's ever come to putting it all together?

Well, GSP.

I think George.

George and Giannis.

But I also think the only way you can get to that point is getting real athletes in the UFC.

Like legit athletes where guys, whether they were going to be all-stars in the MLB or NFL, they start coming over to the UFC.

And we're not seeing that, and it's because

it's just, it's kind of the nature of the way America is set up.

And And it's not just the athletes too.

They need to be extremely intelligent athletes.

Correct.

Correct.

But it's the same thing with like the reason Dagestanis are so dominant in fighting is because

their athletes aren't playing football.

They're not playing soccer.

They're not playing baseball.

They're literally all those young men are just doing wrestling.

It's embraced by the culture.

Yeah, and here in America, like,

I've talked to Eddie about it.

Like,

I'm like, your kid's not fucking savant and jiu-jitsu.

He's like, no, because his friends aren't doing it.

They want to do what their friends are doing.

So his friends are playing baseball, so he played baseball.

Yeah,

it's cool.

So it's a cultural thing.

Yeah, you can't compete when the fucking national sport is fucking people up.

No, it's like their national sports.

But then

they can't compete with us when it comes to other sports.

Not even fucking close.

No, not even close.

Put a basketball.

Good luck.

Didn't they do a football game in Sao Paulo yesterday?

Yeah, they did.

That's wild.

Chiefs charged.

Chief Chargers.

That's

wild.

No, they lost.

Really?

Yeah.

Wow.

Have you ever been to a, because they watch soccer?

Do you ever been to a football game?

Like a soccer game, rather?

Yeah.

What they call football?

No.

Yeah.

Like a real one?

Yeah, a real one.

Have you been?

Yeah.

Is it cool?

It's fun.

First of all, there's no breaks.

Like, you know why they can't have it on TV?

Because there's no room for commercial.

They don't take time off.

You have to in shape.

I love watching the World Cup.

They walk average 10 miles.

These dudes all have crazy fucking legs.

Crazy.

Like, ridiculous, and the streamlined upper bodies.

And they're just fucking cardio machines.

And soccer, if you see soccer in Europe, those kids start at like people like Messi and all of them, they start at six, even younger, and they go to special schools where all they do is play soccer.

That's the only thing that's happening.

So I have a Tiger had a buddy in L.A., and his dad was from England, and he was the best seven-year-old I've ever seen in soccer.

I was like, what the fuck are we doing?

His dad played semi-pro, so he grew up doing it.

His footwork, I was like, this is insane.

And then he just wasn't at school one day.

I'm like, where the fuck is this kid at?

And Tiger's like, oh, he moved to England.

So I text his dad who I was buddies with.

I'm like, yo, man, what the fuck?

He's like, oh, Manchester United picked him up.

I'm like, yeah.

He's seven.

He goes, yeah, he's in the feeder program.

They take the feeder program.

It goes all the way up.

All the way up.

Oh, yeah.

And those kids,

but most of those kids don't make it.

So what happens is you play

your whole life and you don't make it on the Premier League.

And now you're just a good soccer player.

And thanks for the time.

Tennis is a social sports.

there's no guarantee in anything nothing nothing how much you can't

tennis is the same way tennis it's a pretty start

pro sports is very cut throat yeah and the most cut throat is when you're fucking throwing bones at each other inside a cage in your underwear

this is the most cut throat the most

and the shortest career span yeah year and a half yeah it's the thing about like someone like aaron pico who was wrestling on the international circuit at 16 years old and boxing so that he was raised raised.

Yeah, he was amazing.

And so his skill set is so complete.

But then there are those little factors, right?

You rush.

Maybe in the big show, you kind of, you know, but forget about him.

What about Lerone?

Lerone has been quietly one of the most elite guys that no one talks about in that division.

But because that division's too crazy, the division is just filled with animals.

It's crazy.

It's all assassins.

It's like a fucking just a killer's den.

Yeah.

So So Larone had to make a big statement and that was a big one.

But to Gordon's point, like when you're talking about like smart fighters, that's the difference.

Like a John Jones IQ through the fucking roof.

Yeah.

A Tom Cosmo.

Like those change, like Izzy's a very smart guy.

How you train?

Strickland is a smart guy.

His fight IQ is very high.

Staying injury-free is a huge thing.

Strickland's investing all his money, too, you know.

Wicked, smart.

Yeah, he's wicked.

You think he's an idiot because he says crazy shit, but that's also why he's famous.

Smart guy Fox playing the game.

Any of those guys.

I always look at it, how well do you stay injury-free?

How do you train?

How much damage do you take in training while getting better?

It's a whole science.

That's what I was talking about, what I love about Brian Shaw.

He deadlifting 1,200 pounds for 13 years in a row.

And one of the few guys who really didn't get injured.

That's nice, but he's friends with Jordan Peterson.

So pass.

Pass.

Hi, Pat.

Exactly.

How big is he, by the way?

Remember, I brought him to the green room?

Dude, it's not even a human.

It's so weird.

Vikings, like, whatever those

thing is.

This is Brian Shitz.

Some from the Private.

Brian Show, yeah.

Something from the Private.

Digital.

I told him a private.

Oh, you did, right?

What was that one?

I made him drill Big Dan.

I'm like, I'm like, fucking drill.

That's funny.

He was like, I want to do MMA.

So he's like, we did like a little bit of a drink.

Oh, that's right.

MMA fight.

We did like some stuff on kind of Gatame, like armed triangles from Mount.

And we did some wall wrestling stuff.

And then his fight back didn't happen, right?

No, it didn't happen.

He got swindled.

But

he was serious.

I brought him with Cody Donaman.

I bought him.

He went to to high altitude.

Dude, bro, he's 400 pounds.

Oh, dude.

Dude, he's drilling with fucking Big Dan on the wall, and I'm like showing him, like, dumping a single as the guy's second leg comes towards you, locking a double, and putting him down.

And I'm just like, I grab Dan, I just like circle him down.

Dude, Den's six foot seven, 330 pounds.

So Brian just does the first move, locks both legs, and just picks him up over his head.

He's like, poop, and fucking puts him down on the ground.

He did the same thing with Derek Wolfe.

Derek Wolf's all-star at 285 pounds, like, you know, Viking.

The Viking, and just picked him up.

Derek was like, it's so suffocating.

He just got under hooks and went, I'm going to pick you up and move you over here and just throw you.

I mean, you're not doing anything with this.

He's too big.

He's too big.

So that's like in the Bible.

That's right.

He's Goliath.

Yeah, the guys who come over the hill and everyone runs because they're giants.

They did a

decorative champion.

He's just one of him, right?

What he is, he's like the echoes of the past.

Well, they looked at his bone density.

His giantism.

His bone density.

He doesn't have giantism, actually.

It's a different thing.

His bone density is,

they've never quite seen anything like it.

He has, I think, the densest bones they've ever recorded.

They said it's one in 500 million people have bones that dense.

Jesus, him and the hippo.

Him and like four other dudes on earth.

He's got rhino, rhino muscles.

He's a real freak, but it's weird just when you're standing next to him, like, okay, this is a different thing.

Like, this is a gorilla.

Oh, this is a chip.

Did you ever hear Andy Galpin talk about they took a muscle tissue from one of these, one of the greatest Olympic lifters of all time?

And this guy had not only been training, but had been taking a certain, you know, certain Russian

concoctions.

And they found that his muscle fibers were akin to a rhinos.

Like the density were akin to, I'm going to say it again, a fucking rhino, ladies and gentlemen.

Like it was a different density.

Some people are just different.

Like I'm around kids all the time.

You can just grab a kid and you're like, dude, what the fuck?

You're pretty bandits.

That's how I saw my grapple fucking Thor.

oh that's another guy right it was like the best part is i he's like i want to do a private i was at the i was at the pi because uh we were doing ufc fight pass the next day so i had to compete the next day so i talked in private i'm like i can't train because john will kill me if i get hurt and you're pretty likely to injure me because you're 450 pounds you're so big so we do a private and the cabber guy's like can we just do one roll can we just do one roll so i'm like

Fuck.

I like look around and like I see John like doing his fucking workout in the in the corner and I'm just like all right he's like a hundred feet away He probably won't see us start rolling and when we're already rolling it already be too late i'm like all right let's do it and that guy is just like i think he was i think he was close to 400 pounds maybe when we

last time i saw him i think i saw what was he like you got him and um well i let him start in top side control because we were doing side control first of all i was doing it i was teaching him and uh martin's leeches or i don't know how to pronounce his last name uh and the other strong men side control escapes And they immediately, I'm like, just drill the move.

They immediately just, one of them is bottom side control, one of them's top side control, and it just immediately degenerates into a full live roll.

They're just fighting from side control for the full hour, and I'm like, I just drilled the move, and they're like, they just can't do it.

So I let them both start from top side control.

So Thor locks on from top side control.

And I'm like, all right, go.

And he squeezes me so hard that I'm like, if he could do this for 20 seconds, he's going to asphyxiate me just by like,

just like

my lungs cannot expand from this position.

So like, I just like brought my knee nail together and like swept him and like mounted him.

I saw him, I saw him right after

I finished him in like 30 seconds.

Um, and then I did it with Martins, too, who actually wrestled in high school, so he was a little bit more self-like aware, like with his body.

Um, he was actually a little bit harder to deal with, but I hit like a sixth sweep on him, and like, as I went, he like used the momentum and just like rolled through.

I had like perfect body position.

He like went to go roll through.

I'm like, well, guess we're going back on bottom.

And then, like, I rolled him through again and then adjusted the second time.

But it's, it was interesting for sure.

I saw four.

I love that.

I love it.

He's like, It was kind of tough because it took me 30 seconds.

I did a photo shoot with Thor right after he rolled with you, and he was telling me about it.

He's like, Yeah, I went with this Gordon Ryan.

I'm like, Yeah, that's my buddy.

I said, You know, he's like the Michael Jordan Jiu-Jitsu.

He's like, I don't understand, man.

You had me just doing all this stuff.

And I go, You thought you were going to do well?

And he goes, Well, yeah.

I'm like, Oh, buddy, no.

You just don't know.

You just don't know.

You have a fucking chance, dude.

I was like, and he's probably going up 50%, man.

Yeah.

Well, that's like, that's like

they had a pro come in, a big guy.

He was a male stripper, but he had a couple pro fights in boxing, and he knocked, he brought another guy in, and he knocked the dude out.

So he brought a guy in his spot.

Yeah, you're not supposed to do that.

So Wayne McCulloch, who fought at 190.

He came out at Boxenburg?

Yeah.

No, this was at maybe

it was Boxenburg, I think.

He might have been at

Gloveworks.

You doing time with him?

And yeah, I was, but he wasn't.

I was.

And he goes, Wayne goes, hey, we don't do that here.

You know, take it easy.

And the guy went like this to Wayne, stuck his tongue out, knocked his buddy out again.

Really dangerous.

Twice.

Yes, really dangerous.

So Wayne goes, Wayne goes, stay in the ring and

doesn't even put headgear on.

And this giant dude, like 220, just jacked and juiced his kills.

He's had his boxing.

And Wayne just

throws.

And Wayne just goes,

and hit him in the fucking, in the liver.

And apparently, I wasn't there.

I heard that he went,

he made made this high pitch

and just fell to the ground and that was all she wrote kids just ate his liver and said don't do that in my gym and just got the fuck out you guys just don't know yeah yeah that's crazy don't around there's so many nuts that come into gyms and want to spar bro Tim Tim Kennedy and your boy Shane invited me to that archetype boxing.

And he goes, bring your son, I'll bring mine.

So when we're going, the kids will go.

So I bring my boys.

There's a bunch of guys there, and there's this guy, and he has double knee braces on, which is always a red flag.

I see double fucking knee braces.

I'm like, that's weird.

He has his ears, pierced, bald head.

I'm like, oh, this can't be good.

Double knee braces.

What kind of knee braces are we talking about?

Like the ones you get from Walgreens, you know, where he's just like,

have been washed up.

Yeah, yeah.

And you're like, this guy's a bullshit.

And that was Chris Angel.

But

he's talking about UFC, whatever.

Now, everyone in that group is a black belt.

Everyone.

All tough.

Everybody's really tough.

Everyone's Everyone's really good.

And

we're moving around with each other, sparring.

And this new guy, and Tim goes, hey, don't go with that guy.

Everybody goes, dude, I didn't read my DMs.

Apparently, I invited him like months ago, and he fucking showed up.

I didn't know he's going to be here today.

He goes, but I don't know him.

So he was trying to knock people out.

So he's going with his friend Shane, Shane Steiner.

And they're going.

I see him grab Shane's head and go, boom, boom.

And Shane's like, Shane's very nice.

Shane's super nice.

And we're like, what the fuck?

Collar tie?

Yeah.

I mean, he's going, boom.

And you never do that.

We're just touch sparring.

No, he's going to touch sparrow.

So I'm like, oh, buddy.

And then Tim goes, stop, stops round.

He goes, stops up.

He goes, you and me.

You and me.

And that guy with the new brace goes, you and me are going to go.

So I get my son.

I go, watch this.

Watch this.

He goes, well, he goes, just watch, watch.

So Tim's like, you ready?

And the guy's like, yep, he goes, start the clock.

They're like this.

And then fucking Tim.

Oh, yeah.

Just

fuck this dude up.

I mean, just annihilate him.

And he goes, you good?

You good?

And the guy goes, I'm good, man.

I'm good.

And he's one of these guys who goes, I needed that.

I'm like, what the fuck?

And Tim, by the way, Tim, by the way, wasn't even, I saw the video of that, and Tim is being

very nice.

Yeah.

Yeah.

There's so many nutty dudes like that.

Fuck, dude.

What'd you think was going to happen, dude?

There's so many videos online where guys don't know how to box at all and they go into a gym.

Like,

put the gloves on me, man.

I'm a fucking street fighter.

Okay.

There's so many videos of those.

Do you ever see that troll that Deontay Wilder invited to his gym?

He was like, you come in, I'll fuck you up.

This little white dude in a white beater shows up.

Oh, that kid.

goes let's do it and wilder's like oh oh sign these forms so you don't sue me okay put your gloves on and just fucking well he was saying he was saying shit about his daughter that guy that guy's a mess he's actually truly crazy that doesn't matter piece of you just invited him into your life congratulations yeah yeah i know

fucking nut pack

they're all nuts deonte and francis is probably the only fight that i'd be interested in seeing from either one of those guys right now i agree 100 yeah deonte francis would be I mean, maybe there's another fight for Francis in heavyweight boxing.

But the real fight for Francis is obviously the UFC title.

When was the last time Deontay fought?

It's been a while.

He's found some hard times since he did that ayahuasca.

Did he fight after that Zhang fight?

He got knocked out by Zhang.

He has a high interest.

So was that his last fight?

The Zhang fight?

Francis and Gano offered lucrative return to boxing by former world champion, your power against my power.

You ever hear how Teddy Atlas talked about Deontay Waldo's power?

He goes,

he'll hit you so hard, he'll hit you in the face and shatter your ankles.

He called it the eraser.

Oh.

Because he was like, all the errors that he made, he erases them with one punch.

Just blap.

And his technique's not great.

Back foot's off the ground, but just fucking walk.

It's extraordinary.

He fought that, was at Brazil.

I was working for a Showtime.

They sat me and my brother in New York next to that Brazil's family.

And I didn't know it.

And he's walking out.

They're the only people cheering.

And I'm like, oh no.

My brother goes by.

I'm like, we're next to fucking Brazil.

This is a dead man walking.

This can be the worst fucking time ever.

But it shows you the chin that Tyson Fury has.

Because Tyson Fury ate one shot on the top of the head that went all the way down to his fat.

His fat wiggled.

It's a crazy sight.

Just like an earthquake.

It went through his body.

It ends up like the Undertaker.

The craziest shit I've ever seen.

Well, that was the first fight.

This was the second fight where he got dropped, I think, three times.

Still came back and knocked him out.

Wild.

Wild.

His chin is insane.

He took that left hook, went down, and everybody's like, well, it's definitely over.

He took a right hand and then a left hook, right?

Wasn't that what it was?

He's my hand.

Left hook on the way down.

Flat.

Like, he's out cold.

Out out.

Rises and then wins the remainder of the round.

Wow.

And then realized in winning the remainder of the round, how to fight him.

That's right.

Get him back up.

Just push him forward.

Yeah, he's got to be fine.

I think he's done, yeah?

Tyson Fury?

I think he's done.

He said he's retired.

He's done.

He was thinking about one more Usuk fight.

He was talking about.

Yeah, Usik.

Usik is fighting.

Because he's the closest that anybody's to solving Usuk.

The early rounds, that first fight, it looked like he was solving.

Oh, dude, Usik is so special.

He's special.

Oh, he's special.

I watched them break, like real boxers break down what he does, like how the traps he sets.

He's never lost, sir.

It's unreal.

Cruiserweight, heavyweight, Olympics.

That Dubois fight was crazy.

He fought, started at 88.

I mean, he's a natural cruiserweight or something.

He's not even a.

Yeah, he fought Better Beeve in the Olympics.

Yeah.

Better Beeve.

Or at least an amateur fight.

Better Beeve is another another one.

He's another one.

He just throws ones and twos and just fucking.

Oh, dude, three, four years ago, he was the scariest fucking human being alive.

Oh, man.

But he's 40.

Yeah.

But he's obviously 40.

You know.

Different 40.

He's not getting

the golden snitch sniffing around.

It's pee-pee.

Dude.

Golden snitch is nowhere to be found.

I don't know.

I don't know what they do.

Because when he's in those fights with Bival, what kind of testing do they do?

Because they're talking about a trilogy.

Do you think that'd be cool?

I don't know, man.

It's just you know, this is the thing, Gordon, like what they're doing with Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu on this UFC thing where you have to get drug tested.

Like, are they drug testing everybody?

Uh, they said they were going to start testing in 2026.

What that means, I don't know, but that means that the only they should have a multiple choice test,

yeah, which means that they're going to have to sign people exclusive.

It's also

jiu-jitsu has been juicy for so long.

Like, there's so many guys that are juicy that are in jiu-jitsu.

It's like the last thing that you're doing is that it's not.

This is all going to be caveman talk because they have that two things coming.

One is that peptide that

you can take and you will, it literally has no endocrine.

It doesn't change your endocrine thing.

I think it blocks your myostatin.

So you're going to be able to build muscle with almost no sound effects.

Crazy.

And then the second thing is with this CRISPR-Cas9 shit, now

if you have like high cholesterol, they can get your liver to stop making the kind of cholesterol.

You become that person that makes very little cholesterol and has low cholesterol naturally.

And so that's what they're going to do.

So statins are going to be a thing of the past as well.

Because with Christopher Cas9, you can get one quick gene editing thing, and it's coming down the pipe fast.

Not just that.

Gary Nolan was on here, and he does cancer research.

He's out of Stanford.

One of the things he was talking about was they're going to develop a cream that you could rub on your skin that doesn't make you, so you're no longer susceptible to sun radiation.

Yeah, because he's got like that weird gene, he's got a weird gene where he has a lot of melanoma all over his skin.

Because he has an actual expression of a gene.

You're much more likely to get it.

And he was saying he's got cuts all over his body where they have to always cut these things off.

But that's a gene.

They can edit that.

And they can edit it with a cream.

And I said, is this possible?

He's like, oh, it's going to happen.

That's incredible.

I can't wait.

Come on.

Science.

Bro, they're going to turn old ladies into hot again.

That's going to get weird.

Did you hear the guy, the guy who owned it?

Baba, did you hear the guy who owns the LA Times who has all those cancer patents?

He said they've got this where they boost your helper T cell.

And Newsweek did an article about this.

They are, first of all, they're curing bladder cancer.

Cleoblastone.

How old is she?

That's Martha Stewart?

84.

Is that a real picture?

Is that like a filter filter?

She just posted it like this week.

That's crazy.

That's insane.

That even was a filter.

Money, money, money.

But you still got to work.

But the body still sags.

The body still sags.

How do you know, Brian?

Don't be so negative.

Yeah, don't be a hater.

How do you know?

She got a banging body under there.

But that 80-year-old 80-year-old skin just feels a little different.

Not when you get that super special Crisper cream.

Maybe right.

Crisper cream.

There we go.

Young Crisper cream all over your body.

We're going to be 80 and 60.

It's going to come back.

You and I.

80 and Jacked and smelling like a baby.

You're going to smell like a baby.

What if it's like that?

What if they start focusing on hair, B?

Huh?

You guys could both have long, long hair.

Oh, I would shave my head either.

That's coming down the pipe, too.

You're too...

No, no, no, no, they got the peptides.

No, but I like it.

I like it.

But the thing is, like, I don't want to talk to a fucking haircutter.

You ever been kidnapped where they just hold you there?

And then I told her, You are not going to fucking treat me like that.

Good for you.

Stand your ground.

Oh, my God.

Oh, my God.

You're there for 40 minutes.

You're fucking trapped.

You can't go anywhere.

Yeah, I get it.

I see your point.

She's out of line.

She's definitely out of line.

They got that peptide that also you rub on your thing that grows.

It revives new hair.

I can't wait.

Yeah, they've developed some sort of drug that actually grows legitimate hair.

Like, revitalizes your follicles completely.

I want to do that.

They're turning back, they're taking skin and making skin young again.

They're doing weird shit with that.

Damn, she's got the gobble.

Look, this is

82.

This one is 83, and then this one is 84.

She looks amazing.

Is she getting something done every year, or are they just?

I hope so.

I know she's really dedicated to the cause.

She's trying to up her craft.

But look at Chris Jenner.

She's the Gordon Ride of Plastic Surgery.

Yeah, man.

She's a lot of money.

She's got the days on.

No time off.

She's got a lot of money.

If I can pay my mortgage off.

Twins look hot.

Swedes look hot.

Yeah.

Let's go.

I got bills.

Yeah.

The thing is, like, what is your, you know, what is your body pot?

Like, what's the hottest body an 80-year-old woman has ever had?

Like, what's

Raquel Welch?

Spring her up for a sec.

I bet she's.

She has some jeans, right?

Some ladies have those.

How old is she a little over?

Is she like 50?

Yes, I've seen that.

Sophia Viewer.

I've seen her.

Yeah,

she's like 56.

She's insane.

She's insane.

I've seen her.

JLo's 50.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe's a freak.

Again, 50 is the new set.

Those Latin jeans, though.

Yeah, it's crazy.

That's a fact.

You can't say no white girls like that.

I've seen a white girl.

I've seen an 80-year-old English woman who looked at her.

No, 60-year-old, 60.

She was beautiful.

I've just turned 62.

I've just turned 62.

What is the

accent with turning?

I want you to Google what is the hottest 80-year-old 80-year-old lady.

I just did.

I just did.

I'm sorry.

Jamie, you have a good Google search.

Jamie's so good.

Your Google search is fuck for life.

Oh, there you go.

All right.

Well,

there is that 71-year-old.

Frank Zane is the hottest 80-year-old lady.

There's that 70-year-old lady.

That is ridiculous.

And his 80-year-old grandpa crushes it.

No, you know who's really, really amazing?

Who's the guy who sings Jesse's Girl?

Rick Springfield.

Dude, check out Rick Springfield at 6.

Oh, yeah.

He's like 72 and he has no shirt on on stage.

Dude, it's crazy.

Whoa.

Bring up Rick Sprinkle.

She's just bodybuilders.

Forget all these guys.

Okay, Christy Brinkley.

She's 63.

She's good.

Age is a big one.

Bring up Christy Brinkley now.

Shut the fuck up, Brendan.

Why are you ruining everything?

Look at her.

She's 67.

Pretty fucking good.

Who's the English girl?

How about that?

How about that?

Come on, Sony.

Who's the English girl married to Q Grammy?

You said 68.

Liz Hurley.

Liz Hurley.

Liz Hurley.

Bring it up.

She's hot too.

Dude, she's a girl.

She keeps together.

She's incredible.

She's probably 60, maybe my age.

Keep it together.

together.

Ladies.

Keep it together.

I know, man.

That's disciplined.

They have to lift weights.

When you get to a certain point, the only way you're going to keep your weight.

You should always lift weights.

Yeah.

You got to lift weights.

Oh, fuck.

You should see my boy.

Here, I'm going to show you the best.

She's 60?

God dumb.

Jamie, did I send you a video?

She's 60.

Did you see the photo of her sitting next to Bill Clinton?

Yes.

And you're like, oh, yeah.

Oh, that.

Oh, yeah.

I'll show you the best.

Because he was a fan of hers.

Oh, yeah.

He'll show you the best body at 74 74 years old.

He was, I'm a fan of yours.

I've always admired.

What the fuck is he wearing?

Bro, he's wearing the I'm About the Fuck Elizabeth Curly collection.

You're damn right he is.

I've always been a fan of the way you present yourself on camera.

It's like dude, he's crushing it.

It's a fucking weirdo, man.

Yeah, what is that outfit?

Is he in a bullfighter?

Fucking weirdo.

Is he a bullfighter?

I don't know what the fuck you are.

Imagine you're a president, former, or other, and they ask you to wear that.

You're like, no, I'm good.

I think I'll wear a regular suit so I don't wind up.

Can I just wear the regular shit?

Did you see the picture or the video of Cuomo giving a speech with the, I think it was Muslims, and one of the dudes he brought just had a durag on.

They were all trying to fit in.

And he just was wearing a fucking blue do-rag.

Oh, my God.

I'll show you the best body in 74.

There's nobody like this.

Oh, my God.

Nobody likes this.

Oh, my God.

That's so funny.

You're going to find Rick Strong.

Yeah, no, no, no.

This is Shane Steiner's father.

Shane Steiner's father is the most dangerous.

This is Shane Steiner.

Shane's my buddy who owns the helicopter.

Oh, he's rich as dad.

You got to see his dad.

I've never seen anything like it.

I've never seen anything like it.

I'm going to send you a video.

How many times did you jump off to it?

Well, I'm not going to talk about it.

So you wait too long.

That's a personal question.

Well,

Jamie, how do I get this to you?

Text, man.

Listen, grandpa.

Don't you know about Airdrop?

What the fuck?

Grandpa.

Oh, here it is.

This is so stupid.

You just Walk over there to have him take a picture of your phone like you did last time.

Yeah.

Grandpa, send it to Jamie, Grandpa.

I'm sending it.

Jamie, is your airdrop on?

Yeah, it should be.

Holy shit.

Gordon Ryan stays outside the airdrop ecosphere.

James Pro?

Did.

He's one of the rare birds.

What kind of phone is that?

What is that?

Android.

Z-Fold.

No, it's mine.

Don't you have an Android now?

No, I still haven't switched over yet.

Yeah,

I guess you have both.

Watch this.

Yeah, I do have both, but I haven't been using the other one.

I'm going to use it as my primary phone once I have to switch a bunch of shit.

Watch this boat.

He was a world champion bull rider.

He's 74 years old.

He was a bull rider?

Yeah, world champion.

How's he not completely broken?

And he owns like

a moth.

Because he's built like that, and

he never stops working out.

He's jacked.

It's ridiculous.

74?

Fuck you.

Jesus.

That's ridiculous.

That guy looks incredible.

He's unbelievable.

I've never seen.

I kept looking at him last night.

I was like, I can't can't get over this shit.

That's a discipline.

His shoulders are this wide.

Oh, yeah.

That's a discipline.

Iron discipline.

And the whole family.

He's doing it for a living.

He's a billion.

He's a billion.

Which is weird, right?

The Steiners own the largest cattle.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

But they're all beautiful people.

And the whole family, they're all cowboys.

You ever go to that Steiner Ranch steakhouse?

Yeah.

Yeah, I was there last night.

I was there last night.

Yeah.

That's good.

Last night.

And

the nephew, Rocker, is the world champion Bucking Bronco rider.

His brother Sid is like the world champion fucking.

He had the cameo in Yellowstone.

Yeah, that's right.

Oh, really?

That's right.

What a crazy thing to get good.

The whole family's built like this.

Riding horses.

Yeah.

Bucking Broncos.

And bulls.

Bulls.

Bull riders and bucking horses.

They're all wild boys because then the son, Shane, only gets around by a helicopter.

That's right.

Shane only Shane doesn't drive.

Dude, he used to train at Roka with us, and you used to hear the helicopter coming.

And you're like,

Shane's here.

He landed there.

He lands in the detention pond.

He picks me up every day to go work out, and my neighbor's like, what the fuck?

I'll be there at nine, exactly.

I got to run to the hospital.

A friend of mine, his daughter was taking this gymnastics class, and one of the kids would get dropped off by helicopter.

That's him, dude.

His daughter does gymnastics.

That's hilarious.

I'm like, what a flex.

He's the best guy.

I think there's a bunch of guys that do that, though.

I don't think it's just one.

I think Austin has a weird.

In Texas, you can just land them anywhere.

As long as you don't, I think it's like the rules are like, as long as you don't obviously go against any FAA rules.

Don't take out any power lines.

And you have the landlord or just permission from the person?

He threw over my house.

Didn't Tim have a helicopter for a while?

No, Tim.

That was Shane.

Tim and Shane are best friends.

That was Shane's helicopter.

Tim will get out when he's shooting hogs.

Tim will stand on the skis and shoot and

Shane's like, please wear your seatbelt.

And he's like, shut up.

I've done this.

He's so out of his mind.

They try to get on skis and come down.

low enough to jump off the skis onto a wild pig's back with a hatchet.

And they tried that and it didn't work because they missed the pig.

And apparently, Tim kind of fell face first into the fucking dirt.

Jesus Christ.

I'm going to kill a pig from your helicopter.

They're like, You want to try that?

I go, I'm not going to fucking do that.

But imagine if you had a GoPro on your head and it worked.

I know it's fucking cool as you can.

I can't get involved.

I'm not even involved with that shooting pigs out of helicopters thing.

I've seen the videos.

It's pretty wild.

Yeah.

It's fun to watch.

You don't want to do it?

It just doesn't seem like the right thing to do.

Well, it's Peskin.

First of all, I get it.

It's Peskin.

And I would do it.

I would do it.

But I just can't.

If I had to do it, like, if I had a ranch.

It's actually hard to do, too, because you got to shoot.

I think

the way you do it is a specific way.

It's not easy to get it.

I thought about it because Ted Nugent invited me to it.

And I was like, is that not the craziest fucking thing you could do in your life is go pig hunting out of a hell of a business.

Well, farmers will pay you to do it.

That'd be cool.

Farmers will pay because they decimate your corn and stuff.

Remember the first time we talked about it?

Yeah.

You're like, you're like, pigs cause $700 trillion

a year in damage to the crops.

You're like, look it up, Jamie.

And then it was like, it's only $3 million a year.

I mean, you're both like, maybe you shouldn't be fucking killing all these pigs.

It's not just three million.

It's more than that.

I was reading some articles.

I was reading some articles.

It sounded like clickbaity bullshit, but it was about these 500-pound super hogs that are coming out of Canada.

Yeah.

This is like the latest thing we're supposed to be scared of.

Like giant super hogs out of Canada that are invading America.

Yeah, well, Canada.

But like, how are they so big?

Like, what do you talk?

Why are they so big?

Why do you have 600 belt pigs?

They get that big.

It's like that picture I see of that deer that got eaten fucking stomach first in front of my house.

Oh, yeah.

Like, what the fuck did that mountain lion?

It's probably bobcat.

Could be coyotes.

Could be a lot of things.

They do have mountain lions in Austin, actually.

They do.

Yeah, they do.

We got some kind of a cat on our camera, and it's tough to tell perspective.

But someone thought maybe, because it was really black and it was night vision, it was before we upgraded the cameras.

It looked like it might have been a German German shepherd, but it was weird.

It moved like a cat.

But you know how German shepherds have that weird thing where they kind of like lower in the butt?

Yeah.

They move a little more cat-like.

Yeah.

Which is one of the things that I think why they can go so fast.

Like Belgian malamois.

How about that Dutch shepherd, that thing you sent me, right?

Insane.

But this thing was in front of my house.

I am.

And we got an alarm.

Animal control.

Go ahead.

Well, they were like, there's a large predator.

Like, bring the dog inside.

And then I went and watched the video of it.

I was like, what the fuck is that?

Like, what is that?

Yeah, I asked Animal Control, like, what the fuck would do this?

They're like, usually, if it's like wolves or coyotes, coyotes, there would be blood everywhere.

Like, they eat them and then it bleeds out.

But everything was clean.

So it's probably one animal that did all the work.

Yep.

No guts, no blood.

Well, whatever the fuck this thing was, it was in the shadows.

It was hard to pick up, but it looked like a cat.

It looked like a pretty big cat.

How about the cats?

You see how big those mountain lions are on Idaho and in Colorado?

They're not like your 100-pound mountain lions.

They're 200-pound cats.

Have you ever seen the one Derek Wolf?

It's the biggest thing I've ever seen.

This thing was massive.

Massive.

That one in L.A.?

Do you know how big he is?

And they see him holding that wolf up.

I mean, holding that mountain lion up.

It's crazy.

That one in L.A.

in Woodland Hills was, they said it was plus 200.

That big dude just on the fucking cameras.

Yeah.

Bro.

Well, they take down elk.

200?

They take down elk with their face.

And they eat dogs like crazy.

When they find them in California, when they have to do those depredation things,

they have a problem mountain lion.

They found that 50% of their diet is pets.

What?

Really?

In San Francisco.

Oh, Northern California, Bay Area.

Well, leopards in India do that a lot.

They just

snatch your dogs, man.

Everything.

But there's kids missing and shit.

Yes.

Especially in the old days of the Hollywood Hills.

There's stories about kids missing.

They never figured out what happened.

That's probably a mountain lion.

There's a lot of them up in that whole park area up there.

In Colorado, there was a family hiking, and the six-year-old,

they were resolved in a line.

And a mountain lion came out of the bushes, grabbed that six-year-old and disappeared.

Oh my god.

Out of nowhere.

Can you imagine?

Oh my god.

No, I cannot imagine.

Have you seen the one that we have on the studio wall?

The one that's a photo with the cat with a Hollywood sign behind it?

Yeah.

He's wearing a collar.

It's L.A.

to me.

That photo is L.A.

to me because it's completely retarded.

Like everything about it is retarded.

They built in there?

Build them a runway?

Oh, yeah.

This one is dead, but they're building other ones a runway.

They're spending millions of dollars so they can cross the highway safety and kill dogs.

So this fucking this thing has a collar on its neck, too.

So it's this huge mountain.

Like, Jimmy, pull that picture up.

If you can find it, please.

It's a huge mountain lion with a collar on his neck with the Hollywood sign perfectly illuminated in the background.

It looks fake.

Yeah, I know.

But it's like, this is how goofy that town is.

You have giant predators, and instead of like killing them, when you find them, what you do is you collar them and release them so you know where they're killing everything.

That's the photo that we have on the wall back there.

Look at his front paws and stuff.

Who took that photo?

It's like a famous photographer, right?

Give that guy his flower.

They can jump a school bus.

They can lengthen that.

They can Steve

Winter.

Steve Winter.

Look at that.

Look how crazy that photo is, man.

That's a great picture.

I stare at that picture all the time, but that represents

LA to me.

Now, actually,

it's almost like no sense.

At 300 pounds, that and you get a tiger.

Well, dude, I was in Abu Dhabi, and they had like baby ligers.

Oh, God.

Like, just at the size where you're like, okay, like, if they bite you, they could start doing some damage.

Probably like, you know, this big.

Like it was clearly still a baby, but it was like this big.

Probably like, I don't know, 60 pounds.

And

they're like trying to get everyone to pick them up.

And

you're like, then go hold them.

Like, if they know that you're scared, like, they can sense that you're scared.

They won't let you touch them.

So I'm like, give me this fucking thing.

So I picked this thing up.

And

the fucking, it feels like you're like trying to move around like steel cables.

Like their legs and their fucking paws.

It's like, they feel like concrete.

Yeah.

like they're so dense.

Yeah.

You ever grab a chimp, a baby chimp?

No.

They made a wood.

They feel like they're wood.

Yeah.

Their backs feel like they're literally wood.

I have talked about this one we had on news radio.

It was like a scene in news radio that wound up getting cut, but I had to do a thing with a baby chimp.

And this thing climbed on my back with a diaper on, climbed on my back and whacked me in the back.

Just playing, just having a good time, whacking me in the back.

And I was so stunned by how strong it hit me.

I was like, that was crazy.

Look at this.

It felt like it was made out of wire.

Like corded, like, steel wire.

That's right.

Just a different kind of muscle.

Yeah, but imagine that in a cat that's like on your neck.

You're fucking.

And you know, there's this.

Just let you relax.

Just relax.

Bites through your scalp.

Look at this video.

Oh, I've seen that with the monkey tears the guy's head off or tears the guy's scalp apart.

It fucking goes to run.

I hate looking at that.

Yeah, don't show him.

It made me put it up on the screen for everybody.

Oh, I saw this.

This is insane.

He goes the other way and he just like pulls like half of his fucking scalp.

Just for no reason.

Just feels like it.

Yeah, it's a bad situation.

He just felt like it.

Fuck you.

Fuck it.

Yeah.

Guy didn't do anything wrong.

He's trying to be peaceful.

I am at peace with this monkey.

Me and a monkey are good friends.

They don't make good pets.

Baboons will challenge you, especially the males.

Yeah.

And they have large teeth.

Yeah.

Animals.

All right.

So

it's gone full circle.

Yep.

Done this.

Vaccinate your pets.

Yep.

I'm going to be at the Covina Lab Factory this weekend.

Come see me.

Friday.

You'll wear a lab coat on stage.

That's right.

I'll be wearing a lab coat.

Appreciate it.

If you want to learn about vaccines, come to my show at the Covina Laugh Factory.

I'm releasing my special that I shot at the mothership.

Yeah, one.

One month from today.

Nice.

Yes.

YouTube?

Yeah, YouTube.

I've been sitting on it.

I was shopping around, but I've been sitting on it.

YouTube's the best anyway because it's access.

Access is everything.

Yes.

And I saw your shot the other night.

It was very funny.

Thank you, buddy.

Did you like it?

Very funny.

I don't want to say the material that you were talking about, but we'll talk later.

I appreciate it.

And Fire Many Kids just dropped a Patreon.

Oh, yeah.

Patreon.

Patreon.com/slash T-F-A-T-K.

That's right.

And you do the show totally nude on Patreon, right?

Yes, we try to get some big nuts out finally.

That's right.

We don't get suppressed on it.

Is Patreon suppressed you like that, or would you have to go to OnlyFans if you wanted to show your nuts?

If we were talking about me doing a Patreon where I show my nuts, how about if it's just like red-hot chili pepper style?

Yeah, but if I just put my nuts in different situations and we did video and pictures of just my nuts, I wonder if I'd make more.

You're going to make less money.

No one wants to see that.

I'd make it more nice.

You should see these nuts, though.

They're good.

They're big.

I got big nuts.

Well, he's got 765 testosterone.

He's a thousand years old.

Gordon, your new academy, Kingsway.

Where's it at?

It's North Austin.

I'm not a

cloud chaser like these guys, so I'm not going to talk about it.

But just up in school, Kingsway.

It's up in North Austin, off-183.

Is it Kingsway.com?

Kingsway Jiu-Jitsu.

Kingsway Jiu-Jitsu.com.

All right.

That's it.

Goodbye, everybody.

Love you guys.

Love you guys.

Bye.

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