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How many text messages have we been exchanging back and forth where we're like, what the fuck?

Oh, it's nuts.

It goes so deep.

It goes so

deep.

This is, to me, this is one of the most exciting moments

in terms of

politics, in terms of who's in control.

Like having RFK Jr.

at the helm of the HHS and having him like really pushing.

to get peptides through, really pushing to stop all this bullshit that's been going on and

seeing all these fucking roaches coming running out when the lights come on.

Yeah.

It's been crazy.

It's definitely been crazy.

And for anyone who doesn't know my background, because if they haven't heard our previous podcast, you know, I started out as a drug rep for Eli Lilly, and I did that for three years.

So I saw behind the curtain.

This was right out of college.

And then I was a med device rep.

And then I owned labs, blood labs, toxicology labs,

pharmacogenetic labs.

I tried to go educate clinicians on all this preventative care stuff within the insurance framework, within the system.

And I was, I've been blowing the, you and I did, I think, the first one four years ago where I was trying to blow the whistle on there is a lot of corruption, collusion, and corporate capture throughout every one of these organizations, top to bottom.

Every alphabet organization, whether we're talking the EPA, the CDC, the NIH, the SDC.

Do you see the guy from the CDC that just resigned?

The guy who he has like literally a pentagram dog collar thing on his chest.

Do you know this guy?

Oh, I know.

I know what you're talking about.

This fucking freak who's upset that they're not giving babies hepatitis B shots.

He literally in an interview yesterday said his biggest concern is that they're going to get rid of hepatitis B shots.

Children aren't having sex or shooting up drugs.

Why do they need a hep B shot?

Because they're paying.

Because

Hep B shots are paying.

Yeah.

They're paying.

Well, and that's

the problem is, as you like systematically walk through these systems in the history of each one of these organizations, I can show you time and time again.

And I went from, you know, coming on this podcast and trying to educate people on the importance of taking themselves out of that system, doing blood work, getting proactive and predictive, preventing chronic disease.

Don't put your hands in the fate of these broken systems.

And that led to getting to meet RFK and being a part of the Maha movement, testifying in front of the Senate.

And then I've testified at the state level.

And Joe, the fucking level of fuckery and shady shit that I've seen now behind the scenes getting line of sight into the government side, because I was on the outside in the periphery, somewhat aware of the government stuff, but now having got behind the curtain,

dude, it runs so much deeper and it's so much darker and it's so much more controlled than I ever realized.

Well, it's all money, man.

And there's so much money.

I mean, it has to be one of the biggest industries in the country, right?

Oh, I think HHS and even HHS, which all falls under Secretary Kennedy now, I think is between 70 and 80,000 people, right?

And so when people are asking,

why aren't we moving faster?

Why aren't we doing this?

Why aren't we doing that?

It's like, you're trying to move the Titanic.

There's all these divisions within HHS, the CDC, the NIH, the FDA, and it's whack-a-mole.

And every day a new fire pops up.

And every day you've got industry lobbying, politicking, and moving chess pieces to obstruct, delay, delay, deny, depose, and prevent any sort of change.

And you've got legacy employees.

There's literally, there is literally a memo at the NIH that's being circulated around about how to subvert and ignore President Trump and Secretary Kennedy's mandates, which isn't President Trump and Secretary Kennedy.

It's the American people's voice.

The American people voted for change.

We're over the corruption.

We're over the collusion.

We're over the corporate capture.

And for most people that I know, this was one of the biggest factors in this administration, like voting in Trump.

One of the biggest things was getting Kennedy in there.

Same.

Yeah.

I believe that the Maha Moms and this healthcare movement and the frustration with the broken health care system was a...

a deciding factor in Trump winning this election.

And my fear is if we don't keep the pressure up at these midterms, it doesn't matter Republican or Democrats.

historically both sides have been corrupted uh and both sides have made catastrophic mistakes uh and if we walk through like each one of these organizations like back to the even the fda okay so most recently i'm in europe and i've got eyes and ears everywhere or you tell me where the best place to start is because i want to there's so much ground to cover

okay so uh Secretary Kennedy set up a meeting for me with the FDA back in January.

And he said, I want you to come come with an open mind, open heart.

They're going to do the same.

And I want you to just sit down and lay out for these folks what you've seen, what you've experienced, and help them understand what compounders, telemedicine companies, stem cell companies, regenerative medicine practices, cash pay practices across the country are experiencing because of the FDA's choices and decisions made in a vacuum.

And so I went to this meeting, flew to D.C., sat down with all these folks.

They're taking notes.

They all seemed really friendly.

There was probably eight or nine people in the room.

And I left there.

And a day later,

and everyone's like, how do you think it went?

I said, they seemed very receptive.

Like everyone was nice.

Everyone smiled and everyone just seemed friendly.

Hand of God, I get a call from a person at the FDA.

And they say, I want you to know they're going to smile.

Fuck you.

And I said, what?

And this person said, they're going to smile, fuck you.

And I go, what do you mean?

They're They're going to smile to your face and they're going to ramrod all the things that you went in to talk to them about.

So like one of the things that I wanted to talk to them about was the GLP1s.

Forget whether good or bad.

Let's just shelf that for the moment.

GLP-1s have their origination at the National Institute for Health.

Let's explain to people that's Ozempic, Wagovi.

That's correct.

Those weight loss peptides.

All these blockbuster weight loss peptides.

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But it's bigger than them being a weight loss peptide.

They fall under the category of peptides.

And it's a slippery slope because if we allow the pharmaceutical industry to capture peptides, it will shut down all future innovation of peptides for compounding pharmacies, for telemedicine, for any of these things.

Unless they have patents on it.

Correct.

And you and I talked about this the last podcast, and I was spot on.

All the things I was telling you, I have now confirmed, having gone to meetings with the FDA.

I said in that meeting and I said,

So what happened is Eli Lilly is now one of the largest makers of this weight loss peptide.

It's essentially Novo Nordisc and Eli Lilly.

They have lobbied hard with the FDA to say, we can meet the needs of the American people.

There is no reason why anybody should be compounding any of these peptides.

They're dangerous.

You guys don't inspect compounding pharmacies.

There's no FDA oversight.

These products are made in garages and there's no FDA ingredients in them.

They're not the same product.

X, Y, Z.

Just go down the list of all those narratives that they're spinning to the FDA.

And when the FDA is only hearing one side of the story and 60% of their funding comes from industry.

What you will see is time and time again, they side with industry.

So the FDA defaulted right before to their generic answer, right before Secretary Kennedy and Donald Trump took control.

They expired the exemption that was allowing compounding pharmacies to make cost-effective alternatives that patients could utilize.

And this is crucial.

The reason that you're seeing side effects, the reason you're seeing this cascade effect of issues is because they are not treating patients with the most efficacious dose for that patient.

They're treating patients with a dosage that reimburses the highest reimbursement rate on the insurance formulary.

And I can prove this.

They are overdosing people under, like literally, they're not taking the time to do the consult to educate the patient on diet, lifestyle, and nutrition.

There is zero doubt that GLP1s are overutilized in America.

There's zero doubt that they should not be a frontline defense.

There is zero doubt that they don't come with some sort of risk factors.

But most of those risk factors are found in higher dosages.

So why would you start a patient on a higher dosage?

Why would you rapidly titrate them up to a higher dosage where you're causing catastrophic muscle loss?

It's because it reimburses more.

It's not because it's what's better for the patient.

It's because it's what's better for Wall Street.

Jesus.

Okay.

And then their answer is, compounding pharmacies, we titrate at a lower dosage.

We're unique to the patient.

So what we try to do is start you at a micro dose.

And then also what we do is compound it and add other peptides.

So like one example of a, they're literally working to patent a combination of a GLP-1 and IGF-LR3.

We've been making that for five years, like four years.

Say that again.

So GLP-1,

the weight loss, an IGF, insulin growth factor, LR3, time-released insulin growth factor.

And the reason being, IGF preserves lean muscle mass.

IGF preserves bone mineral density.

IGF helps reduce visceral fat.

IGF has a cascade of benefits that allow us to micro-dose a GLP-1 at a much lower dosage where you don't get the muscle wasting.

And so this compound in trials right now is showing 20%

body fat loss and it or 20%

loss relative to the GLP-1s, but all of its body fat.

Almost all of it is fat.

You're not losing the muscle.

And compounders are already making this stuff, right?

And so where I'm going with this is Lilly lobbies the FDA and Novo Nordisk, and they say these drugs are dangerous.

Let's look into that.

Step one, Eli Lilly and Novo Nordisk both have warning letters from the FDA for their manufacturing facilities.

Novo Nordisk was cited as having cat hair and pest activity.

I don't know if it's rats, if it's roaches, in their sterile rooms.

This is the FDA's own inspection.

Eli Lilly has been cited time and time again for his egregious actions, destroying records, hiding clinical data, a barefoot woman in their sterile room.

The FDA uncovered all of this through whistleblowers.

Furthermore, there's over 2,000 major pharmaceutical manufacturing facilities that have not been investigated in five or more fucking years.

And so my message to the FDA was, one, you're wrong.

You've inspected me three three times in 18 months.

Two, Eli Lilly and Novo Nordisk are not making a safer product.

They're not at a higher level of manufacturing specs.

You guys look at them less often than you do compounders.

And they don't make dosages unique to patients.

So we're titrating dosages down, allowing patients to optimize the benefits, minimize the side effects.

Not a one-size-fits-all approach.

And then last but not least, it's cash pay.

We aren't billing insurance carriers.

We aren't billing Medicare, Medicaid, and we're not charging $1,300 a month average wholesale price.

We're able to ship these products for a couple hundred bucks to your doorstep with a nutritional consult.

And so it's a better mousetrap.

And what you'll see time and time again is if industry's getting beat, if big pharma is getting beat, they just change the rules to the game.

And so where this is going, though, is so much bigger and grander, Joe.

So, I asked the FDA, what made you think that this is no longer on a backlogs list?

Because it was an emergency backlogs list.

So, the FDA provides a list every year where they tell compounders, we can't get these drugs.

We need you to compound these drugs.

Think of it like the bat signal.

Bat signal goes off, we jump to it, we start compounding those drugs.

The exemption expired under Biden right before Secretary Kennedy and Trump took control.

The old regime at the FDA ram rotted it through.

Now it's not exempt.

Now 503B pharmacies cannot compound it because they don't make patient-specific, which means a lot of those products are no longer available.

But they did that decision based off the fact that these crucial diabetic patients would be able to get the drugs they need.

This is where the plot thickens.

We called over 30,000 pharmacies for 12 months.

I turned all of this into the FDA.

Less than 6%

of the lower dosages were available for patients, which meant what?

They had to go to the higher dosages, which meant what?

All of these programs get billed a higher reimbursement rate, a higher billable rate.

Eli Lilly and Novo aren't mad that compounders are making the product.

They're mad that they're getting exposed for the corruption, collusion, and manipulation of our healthcare institutions time and time again.

And it's going to get 10 times worse as I lay this out for you, but I'll pause.

Okay, so pause right here.

So what is a response to this?

So you lay out this information.

What can be done?

And what is the response?

So they all, they were friendly.

They smiled.

They were dropping down notes.

One of the head clinicians.

Probably drawing dicks.

One of the clinicians from the FDA.

Kennedy, who's never practiced medicine,

said, there's no medical need for peptides in this meeting.

And he's like, but today we're going going to talk mainly about GLP-1s.

There's a need for GLP-1s.

Okay, I dig in.

Where did this guy do his,

he is a clinician, but his first stint in politics was in the state of Indiana,

in Indianapolis, Eli Lilly's headquarters.

I worked for Eli Lilly.

Eli Lilly owns the state of Indiana.

And they absolutely own the state or the city of Indianapolis.

And this guy did his first stint

in politics under a

congressman, sorry, in the state of Indiana, in Indianapolis.

And this congressman has released multiple tweets and messages and attends Eli Lilly factory openings and is a huge proponent of Eli Lilly.

And this is just one example of the issues with that system.

It's also the statement that peptides have no medical use when GLP1s are fucking peptides.

That's literally what I said.

I said, you do understand that a GLP1 is a peptide.

Insulin is a peptide.

Yes.

There are over 150 peptides that big pharma is attempting to patent right now because the future of medicine is peptides.

And here's why.

We aren't compounding a drug.

We're taking something found naturally in nature, a signaling cell found in your body, just like stem cells, just like amnion, just like all of these crucial building blocks to our health and longevity that are deficient in our foods, deficient in our diet, deficient in our lifestyle.

We don't get enough sun.

We have too much screen time.

We're inactive.

And all of that shit's tanking in our bodies.

Shocker, right?

And as we age, there's a precipitous decline in peptides, in building blocks.

One example, GHK, copper peptide.

We know we have roughly 30 to 40% of the level of GHK in our bloodstream in our 40s that we had in our teens.

Why is that important?

It's an important signaling cell that tells your body that you're young.

Your cells are young, your skin's elastic, heal this injury, heal this wound, reduce this inflammation, right?

It's safe, it's benign, it's found in nature.

We're synthesizing that.

That's what peptides are.

And big pharma got beat to the punch.

by compounding pharmacies.

And compounding pharmacies have an array of peptides in their tool belt.

And the war on peptides has gone beyond the GLP-1s.

And this is what I wanted to explain.

So it's very complicated.

I got to make sure I nail this right because it's important for President Trump to understand this.

President Trump, the art of the deal, the master negotiator, is attempting to play hardball with big pharma.

And he is going to negotiate a deal for best in class, but best in the world drug pricing for the American people.

And that's very admirable.

And I respect the hell out of him for trying to get it done.

But the devil is in the details.

And my fear is historically, big government has been co-opted and colluded by pharma.

And when they're not able to pull a lever and move a chess piece, they outmaneuver them.

And it's already happening.

Eli Lilly, CEO, announced he's going to raise the prices of drugs in Europe to offset the price reduction in America.

But what that really means is we're not going to get the price concession that Donald Trump, President Trump is working for, right?

Because what he's doing is the same thing we already see with the pharmacy benefit managers that I've explained on this podcast before.

The PBMs artificially inflate the price because they get a rebate on the back end from the big pharmaceutical companies that's hidden, that's not disclosed to the public.

Then when they negotiate a deal with Medicare, Medicaid, TRICARE, they tell the government, we're giving you 30% off.

You're giving us 30% off a bullshit price that you created because you set the market.

And if we give these people a monopoly, we already know where it goes.

We can see it time and time time again.

Eli Lilly's price of production on insulin became one-tenth of what it used to be, and they charge 10 times the dollar amount of the retail price of insulin.

And I've also, Jamie, on any of this stuff on the Ways to Well website, I did the JRE experience links again because I'm referencing so many things that people are going to say, no way.

So Lily literally go to waste to well.com and there's JRE links.

There's a links page where I reference everything I'm talking about.

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President Trump is attempting to negotiate these pricing.

This is wrong.

Industry's already moving the needle.

That's just one piece of it, though, Joe.

Here's where it gets even more fucked up.

This is how crazy this shit is.

It just happened with thyroid medicines, okay?

Animal-derived thyroid has been around since 1890.

We have compounded it for over a decade.

I have had not one adverse event in a day, not fucking one.

We ship 6,000 bottles of medication a day at my pharmacy revive.

We have had minimal side effects in literally over a decade.

Big Pharma has lobbied the FDA to say these thyroid medicines are dangerous.

We need you to shut down animal-derived thyroids.

Why?

Because they're attempting to launch a thyroid medicine and they want the thyroid labeled as a biologic.

Why would you label it as a biologic?

Because by labeling it as a biologic, you subvert President Trump's mission to reduce the price of a drug because it's not a drug.

I'm selling you a biologic.

So now I can bin you over the barrel and screw you again on the price.

Here's where it runs even deeper.

This is where it gets great.

A patent on a drug is usually five years.

Do you know what the patent life is on a biologic?

12 fucking years.

So Eli Lilly, all of the Novo Nordisk, all of these entities are attempting to put pressure on the FDA to reclassify drugs as biologics.

They want GLP-1s as biologics.

They want HCG as biologics.

They want all of these amazing compounds that we've been providing for people for over a decade to all be reclassified as a biologic.

And that is the fucking straw that will break the camel's back, the final death blow to telemedicine and compounding pharmacies.

pharmacies.

Because the third part of the equation is you cannot compound a biologic.

The FDA's stance is it is illegal for me as a compounder to compound a biologic.

So now you give a monopoly to big pharma.

You get rid of all price competition in a market where the president's main goal is to reduce the price of drug costs.

If you want to reduce the price of drug costs, the way you do it is through competition.

And we saw it with the GLP1s.

The only price concession that any of these motherfuckers have given the American people in the last 20 fucking years is because the pressure of an open market.

People quit going and buying these retail drugs at $1,300 a month because they couldn't get the dosage they wanted.

They're getting titrated up to these mega dosages that are causing muscle wasting, bone mineral density loss, loss of vision.

There's a $2 billion lawsuit against these scumbags right now.

And I'm sorry, I've bit my tongue historically and tried to be like politically correct to an extent on here, but I can't do it.

Like this is insane.

And I go back to if RFK and this administration was not in power, all of this would have just happened.

So I texted the secretary and his team and I said, I have to ring the bell on something.

And I've educated them on what's happening and all the moves that are being made.

And the FDA was reviewing in a court document that nobody knew about.

This is the problem with having 70,000 employees.

There are legacy employees that have tight collusion relationships with industry that have been there 20 fucking years that they're going to do what you let them do.

And their offense is you run the big pharma offense.

We're going to obstruct compounders.

We're going to prevent telemedicine.

We're going to push people back to sick care.

We're going to launch drugs into the marketplace.

And let's look at the history of safety, Joe.

If we look at, again, I'm going to keep hammering on Lily.

Lily in a lawsuit against Mochi Health last week at a federal judge is suing Mochi for using GLP-1s for weight loss.

And their claim is you are violating our patent, which you're not because it's patient unique.

You are, and it's a peptide, which is naturally found in the human body.

And you didn't create the peptide.

The NIH did, our taxpayer dollars, because we fund the NIH.

That's where all of these originated.

Out of the last, there's so much, but out of the last 210 blockbuster drugs between 2010 and I think 2016, 210 blockbuster drugs.

How many of those do you think Big Pharma started at Big Pharma versus started at the NIH?

Ooh.

I would bet most of them started at an NIH.

100%

of the compounds that became blockbuster drugs had their roots at the NIH.

So taxpayer funded, and then these

pharmaceutical drug companies get a monopoly on them.

Boom.

And then we get rammed in the ass for the next, if they get what they want, next 12 years.

And we fund it.

100%.

Wow.

And so the FDA, my argument to the FDA is...

It's a scam.

It's nuts.

What a scam.

And my argument to the FDA in this meeting was these compounds are safe.

One, they're safe.

They're naturally occurring in nature.

They're prescribed under the supervision of a board-certified clinician.

They're compounded at a compounding pharmacy that is inspected by the FDA, right?

That you've inspected me three times in 18 months.

All of our API and ingredients are sourced from the same exact suppliers as Novo and Lilly and all of the big pharmaceutical cartels.

We all buy the ingredients from the same places.

The only difference is, and this is what I told Secretary Kennedy and the FDA, the difference between me and Novo and me and Eli Lilly is I actually manufacture and produce my product here on American soil and employ over 500 hardworking American people.

Ask Big Pharma why they're moving all their facilities to India and Ireland to escape the scrutiny of the FDA.

They don't want you in their factories.

They don't want you able to challenge them or stifle their ability to print cash, right?

I can't play by those rules.

I can't jockey that.

The state of Texas is currently suing Eli Lilly.

This came out.

Kim Paxton sued Eli Lilly like three weeks ago

because of fraudulent activity where they were providing kickbacks to providers.

And this is important too.

If you have a a clinician and you go to your doctor and they will not prescribe you a medication, you need to understand you, the patient, get to decide where that prescription goes, not your doctor.

That is not your doctor's decision.

So when a doctor says, I'm not going to let you go to a compounding pharmacy, you need to fire that fucking doctor.

That is not their choice.

They cannot force you to go pay $1,300 at CVS.

That is not their choice.

And there are academic institutions like Methodist Hospital that have policies that say, we're not going to prescribe compounded medicines on GLP-1s.

You've got to go to the retail drug because we think compounds are dangerous.

Where is this coming from?

In this court document I was going to that just came out last week, Eli Lilly sued Mochi Health claiming that they're violating the corporate practice of medicine.

So they're not just attacking.

the compounding process.

They're also trying to obstruct via the FDA and they're now suing everybody in their mom in this industry industry who compounds or runs a telemedicine practice.

And Lilly challenging that telemedicine is legal.

Eli Lilly is literally challenging that telemedicine is legal because one of the ways that so many patients are getting accessibility to cost-effective care is telemedicine.

And Lilly thinks if we can shut down the pathway of telemedicine, we can force them to our own company, which Lilly launched their own little telemedicine branch that you can call in.

But in the meantime, they're claiming that these companies are violating the corporate practice of medicine.

They just want full monopoly.

100%.

So what can be done?

We're doing it.

Candidly, we're doing it.

So I leave that first meeting with the FDA.

I get that message from this individual at the FDA, and I thought, I'm going to wait and see.

I hope this person's wrong.

Let's see what happens.

And when we were in Europe, I get a call from another source that said, hey,

they're doing it.

In a court document, the FDA is going to make a stance that says there is no medical necessity for peptides, which would ineffective, in effect, ban over 50 peptides that have been being compounded.

Now, remember, they already put, I think, over a dozen peptides on a bulks list a year ago.

That's all separate from the GLP-1.

Why did they do that?

Because of the lobby of Big Pharma.

You have people at the FDA who are legacy employees of the FDA, who have legacy relationships with big pharma.

We've already gone over how many heads of the FDA have gone to work for industry and then come back to work for the FDA and then gone.

It's a revolving door.

They're swapping spit.

They're lobbying together.

They're going to dinners together.

They're spending time together.

And the CEO of Lilly is up Trump's ass.

I was with another high, high, high level person at HHS.

And their phone kept ringing.

I swear to God, kept ringing.

And they looked at their phone and they go, God, man, these people from Eli Lilly are aggressive.

And all of this was happening in the dark.

And so what we can do is what we're doing.

This podcast, getting President Trump's attention, gaining the attention of Secretary Kennedy and the team at the FDA.

And Secretary Kennedy and his team are playing whack-a-mole, you know, because it's, you got to think, it's not just the FDA.

It's the CDC, it's the NIH, 80,000 employees.

I think they have 200 appointees from the new administration.

You got, you're literally, it's like the Spartans versus the Persians.

You got 200 hard hitters trying to fight 80,000 people that have been co-opted.

And I'm not there to say all those people are bad.

There's a lot of good things that have been done at all of these organizations.

But there's also a natural innate bias when a big chunk of your funding pivoted in the 90s, where over 60% of the FDA's funding is based off fee schedules.

And those fee schedules generate the revenue that create your jobs.

And you have an open door policy to meet with the FDA, but you're not meeting with compounders.

And you're not reading the emails from compounders, right?

And so

when I told the FDA, what made you decide this backlog was over, they said, well, industry told us they could meet the need.

And I said, okay, well, did you see the email I sent you where we contacted over 30,000 pharmacies for 12 months and they can't meet the need?

Less than 6% of prescriptions were available.

They cannot meet the need.

They're going to force people to higher dosages, and it's going to cause a catastrophic health consequence to the American people and it's going to bankrupt our systems.

Did you not see these emails?

And they just sat there dead quiet.

And so, jump forward.

I get when that in a court document, and it's all in secret, right?

All of this shit happens in the shadows, and then they play dumb.

Oh, we didn't know.

What do you mean?

We didn't understand.

That's just a court document, Secretary Kennedy.

Bullshit.

It's a court document that sets precedent.

And that precedent says that peptides have no medical necessity.

While at the same time, you have big pharma trying to patent 140 fucking peptides as biologics that we were already making for the last decade.

Jesus.

Is it about safety?

Is it about safety?

Because all of the adverse events that have been reported, almost all of them, a huge majority of the adverse events, which aren't even that many, came from black market peptides.

And that's what Lily's,

Lily, in the court case two weeks ago presented to the judge all the adverse events and the judge said, where are they?

And Lily said, right here in this Reddit forum.

I swear to God.

Oh, my God.

And the judge said,

are you really telling me that your documentation of adverse events is coming from a Reddit forum?

You should send them to the Flat Earth Reddit forum.

Let's see what else is going on.

So that's just like a sliver, Joe, like a fucking sliver of what I've been living.

One of my favorite narratives is that they're trying to do good.

That's one of my favorite narratives.

One of my favorite narratives, whenever there's any sort of a large-scale government organization, is that we are trying to protect people from harm.

They're fucking never,

no one is trying to protect you.

Everyone at every level of the government, whether it is about climate change, whether it is about geopolitical relationships, whatever the fuck it is, it is all about money.

There's not a single thing that you could point to.

Well, the government really cares here.

This is the one.

This one is a large, huge, corrupted organization that really cares.

Like there's not one.

And you can historically go back.

Of course.

Like that's where it's like.

It's money.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist.

I know people want to label it as that.

If you go back, the FDA's predecessor, I think, was the Food Something Act of 1901.

And as they went to try and create this organization, industry assembled.

Who's industry?

Big chemical, big food?

Big pharma.

Well, Rockefeller literally set the tone for the entire medical establishment in this country by using petroleum-based medicine got it yeah and people don't know this like

most of your medicines in this country are formulated with the use of petroleum

and that is because of rockefeller yep because he had a monopoly on that and that's why the side effect profile is higher and that's why peptides don't have any of these things again we're synthesizing short chain amino acids found in our body that we're deficient in And so as we begin to see a precipitous decline in all of these raw elements that allow our bodies to heal and recover, we can bring you back to a state of homeostasis through the utilization of peptides.

And Big Pharma is realizing they got beat to the punch and they're scrambling to capitalize and monopolize this entire sector.

And the only way they can do that is to try and horse trade with President Trump and the administration and pretend like they're going to play the game, but they're not going to play the game.

They're just going to move the goalpost.

There's no way Trump is aware of all this.

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e l p dot com slash j r e's got too many things he's fighting and that's where i'm trying to ring the bell i've talked to him yeah yeah it's no way yeah with the way that guy's mind works there's no way he's absorbing all this so the message that secretary kennedy gave me and this is where i'm like

It isn't woo-woo.

It isn't bullshit.

I can tell you, I've texted that guy two times in my life, and both times he's called me within 10 minutes.

And I texted him, I said, I have an emergency.

This is a big deal.

I want to make you aware of something that's happening at the FDA.

And he called me and said, what's going on?

And I laid it out for him.

And he said, what the fuck are you talking about?

Basically, I had no idea.

And it's not.

He's, again, he's playing whack-a-mole.

He's got 500 fires.

You've got some legacy employee at the FDA that's going to try and make this statement in a court document that's flying under the radar because it's not an overarching policy, right?

And then even in the subsequent meeting, so RFK said, give me 10 minutes.

10 minutes later, I'm on calls with the FDA.

Then he's like, how soon can you come meet with the FDA again?

So we said an emergency conference call.

I do a call with the FDA.

He said again,

Secretary Kennedy's team said, they're going to approach this with an open mind and an open heart.

And they're going to have, it's going to be a different tone than the last meeting.

And I'm going to try and attend that call or have one of my staffers attend that call.

Okay.

The call went down at like eight in the morning when he was in Alaska.

And then another mole leaked to me because I have moles.

I'm playing the game they play now.

I'm not going to fuck around.

And my mole called me and said they scheduled the meeting early because they knew he'd be in Alaska and they knew he couldn't be on it.

And that call did not go well.

It was a bunch of legacy FDA employees basically saying,

we're going to stay the course.

We're not opening peptides up to the American people.

And so I had to text his team and go, hey,

the call didn't go well.

And then they're like, our Intel is telling us the same thing.

And so he stepped in and said, this is a mandate.

We are not going to dictate to the American people that they can or cannot use preventative care and peptides.

This is a mandate.

You need to figure this out and we need to open accessibility and we need to bring peptides back for the American people through safe, compliant, compounding pharmacies, not black market, which is springing up everywhere.

We're going to have another opioid crisis.

I explained this to them too.

Everywhere out there, there are peptides that you can buy online now with no checks and balances, with no FDA inspection, with no validation testing, with no way of telling if there's any contamination, cross-contamination.

Or if they're even real.

Yeah.

I've had people buy ipomorilin online, and you know, that that's a peptide that when you do it, it has a very strong reaction, like you feel it in your body.

Like immediately after, there's nothing.

They get nothing.

I'm like, well, yeah, it's probably bullshit.

Yeah.

You're buying bullshit peptides.

But the point is, like, if Kennedy is not aware of all this, there's no way Trump is.

Yeah.

He cannot be.

No, they have too many things they're fighting.

He's literally involved in Rwanda having like peace talks with

enemies that have been enemies for 20, 30 years, trying to bring them to the table.

All the shit that's going on with Gaza and Palestine and Israel, all the shit that's going on with Ukraine and Russia.

Do you think he even understands peptides?

Yeah.

Like, look at them.

Well, the healthcare system's complicated.

It's nuanced.

And the challenge is you have some of the best litigators and attorneys in the world on payroll for these big pharmaceutical cartels.

Of course.

And they fund 60% of the FDA.

And the history of the FDA is that I've said over and over again, it's captured.

But the truth is, all of these organizations were born in captivity.

They were born in captivity.

Yeah.

That's the craziest thing.

Yeah.

Anderson Cooper brought to you by Pfizer.

They're even doing it right now, making it look like the world's turning.

I don't know if you saw Bernie Sanders tweeted, RFK's got to go, all these people.

But the truth is, last week they announced the approval ratings, and RFK is up seven points in the approval rate, the highest rating of any elected official.

The American people are not turning on RFK.

Even the CDC debacle that people are turning into the news is making out to be a debacle.

You lost legacy employees.

You lost this dude wearing sex gear and shit on covers of magazines who wants everyone to get HEP B.

Nobody's saying you can't vaccinate your kids.

Nobody's saying

not to.

There's literally no reason.

I know, but all they're saying right now is...

All they're saying right now is we don't want to keep mandating without science, without evidence.

And we want to understand: is there a potential risk of side effects when we hit a child with this many vaccines before the age of two?

Did you see the conversation that Kennedy had where he was talking about,

they were talking about measles.

And he said, we have had four deaths from measles in the last 20 years.

Do you know how many cases of autism that we've had?

And he rattled off that.

Oh, yeah.

Like the numbers.

You know, in California, it's literally one in 12 boys now.

Yep.

Do you know how insane that is?

He said that at the at the Texas legislature when Abbott signed off on the bills that I helped testify.

But yet you're having guys like Bernie Sanders who doesn't know.

Look, listen, I'm an old school Bernie bro.

I love Bernie.

I love the idea of Bernie.

Yeah.

Bernie doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.

Yeah.

Bernie didn't know what the fuck he's talking about when it came to climate change.

Yeah.

It's a real thing.

Climate change is definitely happening.

Like, what are you saying?

Like, what does that mean?

Has the climate ever been static?

Like, when you confront him on the details, he really doesn't know what he's talking about.

To me, what's frustrating is.

Their narratives.

Yes, they're narratives.

So the narratives is that what we've done with vaccines is stop all the diseases.

Okay, are you sure?

Do you really know that?

Have you ever looked at the history of the eradication of diseases and the introduction of sanitation, running water?

Have you looked at any of that stuff?

Nutrition, vitamins?

Have you looked at any of that stuff?

Do you know anything about polio for real?

When I tell people the polio statistic that 95 to 99 percent of polio is asymptomatic, it's one of my favorite questions.

Yeah.

I'm like, what percentage of polio?

You know, damn.

Do you also follow that?

So...

The DDT story.

Boom.

So

do you know that the CDC, this is, these are just, there's so many fucking crazy stories.

The CDC was created in World War II to stop the malaria spread.

Okay.

And the first thing they did was ink a deal with a little chemical company called Monsanto, where they began to dump DDT into all of these countries to try and kill malaria.

And they spread an array of health issues that lasted generations and gave immunity and did all these things that was the foundation of the cdc and where it gets even crazier is guess how nobody talks about this shit do you know how this where the cdc's headquarters is their headquarters in atlanta was gifted to them by coca-cola the cdc to this day is in a fucking giant building that was given to them by coca-cola and in a foyer request there is a fucking email from one of the executives at the CDC, I don't remember like the 70s or 80s, where they're literally going back and forth with Coca-Cola and saying they're going to do all they can to shut down this bad information on sugar.

It runs so deep.

And then you go to the EPA.

You go to the EPA and its relationships with Monsanto.

The EPA in a FOIA request, one of the heads of the EPA with regards to glyphosate in disclosure documents literally sent an email saying, if I pull this off for you guys, you owe me a fucking medal.

All of this shit's out there.

I put all of it on the website.

You can go find all of this stuff.

It is there.

And so systematically, FDA, CDC, EPA, NIH, every one of these systems have been built, co-opted, corrupted, and developed alongside industry.

And even when you talk about chronic disease, so many people, there's a big podcast that dropped that if anyone,

it's it gets into antidepressants.

And a lot of people don't know this because I want to quantify peptides because you're going to have academia go, well, the difference is drugs are investigated and peptides aren't, and there's no placebo-controlled double-blind studies.

One, there are, there's a lot, and we can systematically break that down too.

They just haven't gone through an FDA approval process because that costs $2 billion.

Well, who has tapped

$2 billion to bring a drug to market?

What a great way to be a gateway.

Boom.

It was established by Big Pharma.

Big Pharma told the FDA, let's build this model.

Right?

So then they capture the molecule at the NIH level, bring it to phase two and three trials, bring it into human trials.

The cost of doing that is not what they make it out to be.

And then it's a pay-to-play system and it's an obstructionist system that stifles and prevents innovation.

Because if I'm a biotech biotech startup or a compounding pharmacy or a stem cell company or a peptide company or anybody who wants to get into that space, I am going to be forced to sell my company at some point to Eli Lilly or Pfizer or one of these big conglomerates in order to get it through the FDA approval process.

I can't afford $2 billion.

And so what you've given Big Pharma is the keys to the Ferrari.

And they control all the Ferraris that hit the marketplace.

But then they co-opt and corrupt the data.

So here's an example.

When we talk about science, follow the science, follow the evidence.

I worked for Eli Lilly.

That was my first job out of college.

We sold antipsychotic drugs Iprexa.

Patients would come in and doctors would say, Brigham, I don't know what's going on, dude.

This lady put on 30 fucking pounds in like literally a month.

This is not good.

There's something going on here.

And so when we go back to the main goal, safety,

where was safety on on that drug?

Out of 12 blockbuster drugs in the last, I think, 15 years of Eli Lilly's history, 10 of them have black box warnings.

Black box,

the harshest warning you can get.

The studies oftentimes don't represent long-term data, and the studies oftentimes aren't looking at all of the multi-faceted aspects of human nature and life, like comorbidities and what other medications are these people taking, and how do all these impact each other?

Average Americans on four or more prescription drugs.

All right, so I want to lay out for the antidepressant because this one's crazy.

Do you, do you, how do you, how do you think we diagnose depression, anxiety, ADHD, any of these mental health disorders?

And I'm not, I want to be clear.

I'm not saying that these disorders don't exist, and I'm not saying that there is not a medical issue with patients.

Well, it's all completely subjective.

It's not like a test that that they can give you, like, do you have syphilis?

Correct.

There is no blood test.

Right.

There is no brain test.

Right.

There is no chemical brain test.

Well, not only that, let's be really clear.

The established criteria, the idea behind it being that there is some sort of a chemical imbalance has been disproven.

Correct.

Even in autopsies.

Yeah, it's not real.

Even in autopsies.

And you know who perpetuated and created that narrative?

Was Big Pharma.

Of course.

Big Pharma created that narrative, sold that story.

It was never a serotonin deficiency.

There's zero evidence to show that.

So the screening tool we use to tell you if your child has ADHD

was developed by a doctor in the 70s who was a consultant for Ritalin.

Oh, Jesus.

Now, jump to the 90s.

Eli Lilly, Pfizer, everyone's launching antidepressants into the marketplace under the guise that these serotonin, selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, SSRIs, are going to fix your chemical imbalance in your brain.

The measuring stick to decide whether you're depressed or not was a questionnaire developed by a consultant for Pfizer.

A doctor who worked for Pfizer developed that test, and the goal of the test was to simplify depression so simplistically that any primary care in America could prescribe an antidepressant through a simple questionnaire.

That must be a good thing.

They set the rules, they set the protocols, they set

everything,

but there's no quantifiable data that says that that actually is.

It's just a questionnaire.

So it's totally subjective.

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Can we take it and find out if I need pills?

Yeah, yeah.

Let's take it right now.

I can tell you.

Should we take it?

Yeah, let's take it.

Let's take it.

I want to see if I need pills.

Let's see.

Hold on.

That'd be hilarious.

I've never met a single person that's depressed and has a great life.

Is that weird?

I've never met a single person that's healthy, has a family where everyone's doing well.

They have a good career that they enjoy.

Well, that's why when, what's that dip shit?

Colbert is like, it's multifaceted in healthcare.

Yeah, dumbass.

It is.

Who is that?

Colbert, the Colbert report guy.

Oh, that.

He just attacked Maha a few weeks ago and was like, yeah, he was saying that to try and go after food and the drug companies is insane.

And so if you follow even depression.

He looks super healthy.

I like to see him in his underwear.

If you follow depression, when did we skyrocket in depression?

When did depression skyrocket?

It skyrocketed in the 80s.

What happened in the 80s?

We moved to an ultra-processed food diet.

There is more compelling evidence that most depression is tracked back to insulin response and eating ultra-processed foods and sugary foods than any other aspect.

We're all going to go through highs and lows.

We're all going to have tough times.

But when we're systematically, chronically inflamed and poisoning our bodies through our food systems.

You're exhausted and depressed.

And it leads to all these auto-I don't have cell in here.

I'm trying to see anything.

Get exhausted and depressed if I eat a bowl of fucking fruit loops.

I mean, think about it.

As healthy as I am.

Briggin, does this work, do you think?

ADHD self-report scale.

That's the ADHD.

All right, let's try this one, though, because I'm pretty sure I have this.

How often do you have trouble wrapping up the final details of a project once the challenging parts have been done?

I'm kind of, I don't really qualify for that one.

Never.

I get shit done.

Okay.

One out of five, I guess.

It's never to very often.

If it's a project,

I get shit done.

Okay.

How often, but that's just a decision that I've made.

You got to give me a score.

We have to score you at the time.

Never.

Okay.

How often do you have difficulty getting things in order once you have a task that requires organization?

Oh, yeah.

I have a problem getting things in order.

Often.

Let's go with often on that one.

How often do you have a problem remembering appointments or obligations?

Sometimes.

Let's say sometimes with that one.

When you have, but that's just overwhelming.

I'm just overwhelmed with shit going on.

When you have a task that requires a lot of thought, how often do you avoid or delay getting started?

Sometimes.

Let's say sometimes.

How often do you fidget or squirm with your hands and feet when you have to sit down for a long time?

Often.

How often do you feel overly active and compelled to do things like you were driven by a motor?

Always.

Very.

How often do you make careless mistakes when you have to work on a boring or difficult project?

That's not applicable.

I don't have any boring or difficult projects.

Careless mistakes.

What are the options again?

Let's say rarely.

Okay, the special test was the PHQ 9.

Sorry.

Okay, but let's just go through this real quick.

How often do you have difficulty keeping your attention when you're doing boring repetitive work?

We did that.

How often do you have difficulty concentrating on what people say to you, even when they are speaking to you directly?

Well, it depends on the person.

If it's you, no problem at all.

But if it's someone who's saying some boring shit,

yeah.

So, what's the middle one?

Sometimes.

Sometimes.

Let's go with sometimes.

How often do you misplace or have difficulty finding things at home or work?

I'd say often with that one.

How often are you distracted by activity or noise around you?

Often.

How often do you leave your seat in meetings or other situations where you're expected to remain seated?

Never.

How often do you feel restless or fidgety?

Often.

How often do you have difficulty unwinding and relaxing when you have time to yourself?

Always.

I always have difficulty.

What's the most one with that?

Very often.

Very often.

Very often.

Very often with that.

um

how often do you find yourself take uh

talking too much when you're in social situations what

probably i don't know what's too much i have my social situations are all with professional talkers that's a weird one uh

i don't think i well because i do podcasts a lot i'm pretty good at like not talking too much so what's the the options again

rarely let's say rarely because i'm pretty good at that but it does happen We are into conversation.

How often do you find yourself finishing the sentences of people you're talking to before they can finish?

Again, depends on who I'm talking to.

If I'm talking to a fucking moron and they're laying things out to me that are like super obvious, but they're going really slowly, I'm like, let's go, pick it up.

Yep, I got it.

Got it.

So it depends.

Sometimes, what are the options again?

Never, rarely, sometimes, often, very often.

Rarely.

Let's say rarely, because I I've rarely talked to morons.

How often do you have difficulty waiting your turn in situations when turn-taking is required?

Difficulty.

Like,

what would I be doing then?

No.

No, I don't really have a problem with that.

How often do you...

You got to think, too, they're asking children this, which is going to be a lot.

Something's very impulsive.

This one's for adults.

Oh, this is the adult.

Oh, okay.

How often do you interrupt others when they're busy?

Again, I got a weird life, so that doesn't really come up.

I'm not interrupting any.

I'm not like showing up at someone's work and interrupting them.

So that's never.

I think that's it.

I'll figure out that.

That's it.

Okay.

Let's find out.

Do I have a problem?

So here's where this gets wild, though.

So now look back retrospectively.

Okay.

When I was a lily rep and they're talking about Prozac and we're going to cure depression.

And depression is caused by a serotonin chemical imbalance in the brain.

We now know all that's hogwash.

We don't really know what was causing the depression, the anxiety, and all these cascade effects.

In their own retrospective studies of every SSRI on the market, what we now see is on a 52-point depression scale, SSRIs

score two points higher than placebo.

Two points higher.

It's not statistically relevant.

It fails to differentiate statistically from placebo.

There are two things that do differentiate from placebo.

Exercise is five times more potent than placebo or an antidepressant in studies.

Red light therapy is even higher, two times higher than any antidepressant that's ever hit the market.

But now you've put a person in a chemical straitjacket where you have wrecked their system.

You have now created more harm than good.

And so step one in medicine, do no harm, right?

Step one for the FDA, make sure these drugs are safe.

They're not safe.

Even there's there were lawsuits in the early days of suicidal ideation and violent thoughts because a lot of the pharmaceutical companies tried to hide that they were seeing in trials that children were having suicidal and violent thoughts in the early days of being on SSRIs.

Yeah.

Because it numbs the emotions.

It shuts down the emotional response.

It damages relationships.

These are catastrophic things that you're giving these people for what?

They're also connected to almost every school shooter.

Yeah.

You said it.

Yeah.

And that's something that no one wants to say.

No one wants to talk about.

No one in the news wants to talk about it.

You would think that if there's something that correlates, if there's a correlation, if there's like some statistical thing that you can look at, it's like, wow, this is kind of crazy that this one particular medication is involved in almost every mass shooting.

And when they say that, when you say mass shootings, like here's the thing that gets thrown around about when we talk about like mass shootings.

Mass shootings, the problem with the statistics is it connects gangs.

You have gang like what happens in Chicago every weekend.

Like last weekend in Chicago, 54 people got shot.

People say, Trump is doing a terrible thing, bringing the National Guard.

Ask the people of Chicago if that's terrible.

If you want this to continue.

Do you have a better solution?

If you have a better solution, I'm not in favor of bringing the National Guard into every fucking city and militarizing America.

No, I think that's terrible.

And the argument against guns is that people are getting shot in Chicago.

But if you look at the states that have the highest gun violence, it's the states that have the strictest gun laws.

Yes.

Bad guys are still going to get guns.

Exactly.

And so there's that.

That's one.

So this is when, but when you're talking about school shootings, that's a different thing.

So school shootings get

you you find almost all mentally ill people.

And wh whatever

Phil we don't you know, you don't have to politicize it, but it's all mentally ill people who are almost all of them on psychiatric medication.

I mean, every single one of them, all the way back to Columbine.

But yet, no one brings that up.

That seems insane.

And that seems completely co-opted.

If you have an industry that is literally sponsoring the fucking news on CNN, literally proudly, not even hiding it, right?

Brought to you, they want everyone to know that they're sponsoring the news.

And, you know, the way it's been described to me,

God, who was it, Callie Means?

Yeah.

Was saying, this is not so that they can sell more drugs on the news.

This is so that the news doesn't criticize the pharmaceutical drug companies, and they don't.

They avoid them.

They avoid it like the plague.

If there was like a similar situation with any other thing that was not sponsoring the news, like let's say cannabis.

Let's imagine that if cannabis was connected somehow or another to every mass shooting, do you not think that that would be brought up like fucking full court press in the front page of the New York Post and the New York Times and all over CNN and MSNBC, they would start talking about it.

If it was some masculine thing, like if it was testosterone, if it was like inject testosterone therapy.

So testosterone replacement therapy is involved in 100% of school shooters.

Jesus Christ.

They would be feminizing the world.

You boys need to eat more soy.

You need to get tofu into schools.

You know, we need

to stop weightlifting.

No more weightlifting.

No more cold plunges because they increase testosterone as well.

No more, you know, no more fucking going outside in the sun.

Sunlight gives you vitamin D.

Vitamin D increases testosterone.

get out of the sun

it's causing

there's a ton of stuff correlating lack of vitamin d to depression yes i mean there's it's of course all of depression terrible for your immune system yeah if you have a low level of vitamin d you're chronically susceptible to all kinds of pathogens your immune system fucking sucks.

And the challenge is that same level of money and power that they're feeding to the media is also happening in politics.

So like testifying here at the state level on these Maha bills.

Three bills got passed in the state of Texas, Joe.

I don't know if you've been following all that, but these bills, I mean, you would think.

You would think we were asking to like, I don't even know.

Like the level of fuckery that went down with these bills was crazy.

So first off, industry didn't think there was a snowball's chance in hell that we were going to get Maha bills passed in the state of Texas because it's so Republican intensive.

And a lot of these politicians have, you know, relationships and ties with industry.

And we're an industry-forward state.

And we always want to be an industry-forward state.

But we can make money without killing people.

And we can make money without chronically and systematically poisoning people.

You just can't make the most money.

That's the problem with all of it.

It's not making money.

It's It's making the most money.

And, you know, we've talked about this a bunch of times, but it's a real issue.

I'm in favor of capitalism.

I think it's awesome.

I think communism sucks.

I think, you know, socialism is

contrary to human behavior characteristics that we're all aware of, right?

I think we'd all agree on that.

However, when you have a system that's set up where it has to make more money all the time, there's only one way to do that.

You have to abandon ethics and morals or co-opt the fucking law, co-opt the rules, co-opt the regulations, make sure that you can continue to make more money whenever possible.

And you're nailing it.

Big Pharma is not really worried that compounders are going to take away their profits.

They're going to hurt their

marketing on Wall Street, their shareholder pricing, right?

If there's competition, if they can shut down all competition and have a monopoly for 12 years on a compound, what does that mean for their shareholder price?

How much can they skyrocket that stock price?

Exactly.

And that's what it's all about.

And this is why people need mushrooms.

For real.

I'm not kidding.

I'm not kidding because there's going to come a point in time where people realize there's got to be a way to abandon this ridiculous mindset that our country has been entrapped by.

Yeah.

Well, and in the state of Texas, how progressive is it that Texas passed that Ibogaine bill?

It's amazing.

Well, kudos to Rick Perry because him as a Republican former governor championing this is so huge because

he has so many alliances with so many different people.

They'll go, well, God, if Rick Perry is saying this.

And then on top of that, it's veterans that are being positively affected by this compound, by Ibogaine, by this psychedelic.

And to deny veterans is very un-American, right?

So if you're a Republican, good luck.

If you're doing something that fucks over veterans and they organize against you or people that support veterans organize against you, and not just veterans, anybody who's experienced violent crime, anybody who's experienced horrific things in their life, drug addicts, all these different things that can be fixed with this one thing.

And the success rate.

Yeah, it's so astronomical.

It's a staggering high.

So

let's talk about that.

So for addiction, the success rate is with one experience.

It's 83%

successful.

These people never do heroin again.

They never take opiates again.

They stop drinking.

They stop smoking cigarettes, whatever the fuck it is.

With two experiences, it's in the 90s.

It's something like 94%.

That's insane.

There's not a thing like that that's available.

A rehab would go out of business.

With rehabs, if you know anybody who's been to rehab, very rarely does someone go to rehab once.

You know, the most successful former alcoholic that I knew, he never went to rehab.

He never did anything.

He never went to a 12-step program.

He crashed his car under a bridge.

He got chased by the cops.

He got arrested.

He's like, fuck, I'm done.

And he just quit.

He just quit.

And he was a lifelong alcoholic.

Yeah.

So nuts.

Yeah, it's like

psychedelics

such a huge place.

And to me, all of this, all of this falls under one giant overarching theme.

Medical right to choose.

I don't think that the federal government should be shutting down people's ability, especially with compassionate use, like somebody who's terminally ill or who has nothing to lose.

Why would you stop them from using peptides?

Why would you stop them from using stem cells?

Why would you stop them from using psychedelics?

I asked.

Of course, but that's just,

I mean, let's not wait until they're almost dead.

Yeah.

Well, we could get

terminally ill people.

Let's not wait for that.

And the data on mushrooms and psilocybin and its effects on depression astronomically show more compelling data than anything you're going to see in an SSRI or antidepressants.

Not only that, it doesn't kill you.

At all.

It literally doesn't kill you.

Like the LD50 for mushrooms, you physically can't consume enough to kill half the population.

Yeah.

You know, LD50, for people who don't know,

lethal dose at 50% of the people that test.

So, you know, like if you give strychnine to 100 people,

pretty much 100 people are going to die.

And that's where I'm excited because I do know, and then Secretary Kennedy did say, please resonate for me that I believe in Americans' right to choose and control their health care journey.

And I am a proponent of peptides, stem cells, hyperbaric.

Yeah, and this is why you see all these fucking political hacks that are online saying he's dangerous.

Yeah.

This is why all these people are like tweeting and retweeting this stuff and thinking they're, some of them, I think, thinking they're being a good person.

Some of them are classically educated, you know, and they really don't pay attention to anything outside of mainstream news.

And they are

lost.

And they think that they're doing the right thing while also playing ball.

Did you see Huberman on Bill Maher?

Yes, I did.

Yeah, did you see where Bill Maher asked him, I think about 20% of what most, he, this is Bill Maher saying he thinks about, most Americans think 90% of what we're told in healthcare is right.

Bill says, I think it's about 20.

And he looks at Huberman and says, what do you think?

And he said, 10.

And then he talked about his buddy, who's a high professor at Stanford, said at least at minimal 60% of what we've been taught is wrong.

That's insane.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And the problem is also textbooks don't get updated.

They don't get updated to, well, there's always new studies that come out.

There's always new information that comes out.

If you wrote a textbook three years ago, like that thing is probably not good anymore when it comes in certain disciplines.

Well, and look at all the botched studies.

Like you and I have covered testosterone and how that was a study in the 1930s that was debunked.

Then you had the Women's Health Initiative, which scared the hell out of women from estrogen and hormone replacement therapy, which led to them now getting on products that cause a cascade effect of other health issues.

Even if you look at, we covered depression, but now go to statins.

Guess who created the screening tools?

Yes.

And who raised the threshold?

It was all big pharma.

And then you go to osteoporosis and osteopenia.

Nine out of the 10 folks who decided that were consultants for industry, industry, including Merck, who made Fosimax, which was an

osteoporosis medication.

Over and over and over again, we can systematically go through every element of healthcare and break down how that system was captured and corrupted.

And I'm not saying doctors are bad.

Doctors are doing their best to navigate a system.

They're being taught in school, systems that were built in this ecosystem.

And they look at it and go,

There's even another person at the FDA that in a blog that they do talked about how basically preventative care is bullshit and that the only way is medicine.

And I'm like, if these are the people that are going to be controlling our accessibility and our healthcare system, it's terrifying.

Well, that's Peter Hotas, right?

Like, if you follow him online, and I'm not picking on Peter, but

you should.

You know, he says you're a bully, but then he tweeted when he...

He said I'm a bully?

He said that stuff on X and stuff in the past.

He tweeted.

Because I was trying to get him to have a debate.

Yeah.

And then

he tweeted after we testified an image of

like a 1950s Batman characters and was like, this is who they bring in front of Congress to testify.

And I saw that and I'm like, 1950s?

All the Joker and the penguin and all this.

He tweeted that?

Yeah.

And I was thinking, you're the one that looks like the penguin.

He's a silly one.

I'm not taking a silly advice from you.

So

when I exposed him on the show, when I had that conversation with him about his own personal health, that was probably the most telling thing that he's ever been involved with.

Because people got a chance to see, oh these are the people that are telling you you have to take this medication people that eat junk food that don't work out that are overweight and you know generally unhealthy don't take vitamins

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You just triggered this thought.

When I was testifying, it's exactly what you're talking about.

When I was testifying at the state level, okay, to remove ultra-processed foods and Cokes and soft drinks

from food stamps.

Because

a large percentage of the money of our food stamps are spent on ultra-processed foods that are poisoning systematically these poverty-stricken communities.

We're just trying to reallocate the resources and change school lunches and mandate PE and mandate nutritional training and mandate that your doctor has to have nutritional training and mandate that in elementary school through junior high, you get nutritional training.

That's what these bills were about.

Okay, while I'm in the middle of trying to explain to congressmen and congresswomen how detrimental a soft drink is, because they don't know.

I'm trying to just say, look, the difference between a very chronically ill diabetic patient and a healthy patient is literally about a teaspoon of sugar in the bloodstream.

Do you know how many teaspoons of sugar are in a Coke?

And as I'm in the middle of trying to say it, one of the congresswomen holds her Coke up in the microphone

for effect.

And drinks her Coke.

Wow.

And everyone just busts out laughing.

But I'm like, okay, well, the answer is 8 to 12 teaspoons of sugar.

And you're giving it to a child.

You're giving a child 8 to 12 teaspoons of sugar at a time.

And then you're wondering why our children are obese.

You're wondering why over 70% of Americans are obese.

You're wondering why diabetes is at an all-time high.

Or why?

Chronic disease.

DHD test that I took.

Yeah.

Did I fail?

Yeah.

Well, you didn't fail, but you do have a, you need to be checked out a little further.

There you go.

Now imagine if I had a job that sucked.

Yeah.

So if I had a job that sucked, I bet I would have answered very often to most of the ones.

I was like, nah, those don't apply.

Yeah.

So then I would need ADHD medication.

Yeah.

I told you this on the very first podcast.

I'm not splitting atoms on the weekends, man.

I failed kindergarten.

I'm literally dyslexic.

I'm ADHD.

They wanted me on Riddling.

My parents were like, we don't want to put him on Riddlin.

They said he's got to go to pre-first.

I was in a class with kids with helmets, dude.

Like, I kid you not.

I didn't go to first grade.

I went to pre-first.

They thought I was mentally handicapped.

And I'm like sitting in there like, oh man, this sucks.

I remember to this day, I was like, I don't belong in here.

Like, but I just didn't fit in that ecosystem.

I was, I'm sure I was hyper.

I'm a fucking kid.

Of course, I'm hyper now, and I'm a grown man.

I can't sit still.

You know, I have a new puppy.

And when you have a puppy, you realize, like, oh, this is what kids are like.

Like, this puppy is insane.

So I have Marshall who's out here today.

So Marshall's almost nine and Marshall's really chill.

I mean he's got plenty of energy, super healthy, runs around, gets a lot of exercise in.

But this fucking puppy is off the rails.

I have videos of them playing.

Like Marshall will pick up a toy and then like Charlie will come over and try to grab the toy.

He's leaping at him, throwing himself through the air, diving underneath him, biting his face, the rolling around.

He's insane.

He can't sit down.

And then he crashes.

then he wakes up, he pisses, and shits, and then he wants to eat, and then he wants to go at it again.

Take that and stick it in a classroom.

Yeah.

That's that's what you're doing with kids.

Kids are basically human puppies, and we're making them sit in these fucking classes.

And some of them, guess what, have more fucking energy than the other ones.

And they're more active and they're more physical, just like dogs, just like every other animal, every other organism.

And those ones will probably do great things if they find something that interests them because they have more energy and because they can they can dist, they can blow off all the shit that doesn't mean anything to them, which is like a lot of the obligations weigh you down and take away your effectiveness of the thing that you actually enjoy.

If you have a bunch of things that you're concentrating all of your time on that are basically bullshit, the thing that's really important to you, you don't have any,

you don't have any resources to allocate to fix that thing, so you're going to be less effective at it.

Whereas a retard like me can just fucking laser beam on things and I could just drag, I could just ignore everything.

I'll throw my clothes on the ground I don't give a fuck dude I just I could live in a cave and I could I could just like lock down but that but that's how you succeed at things I would have to hyper focus like and I if I if it's something I'm interested in it's easy I can hyper focus I can retain I have to data recall if it's something you're interested in if it's like Ferris Bueller's day off and it's some mundane

yeah just

torture man and I can't sit still in this environment but But that's why you're successful.

This is what people don't understand.

That's a superpower.

But I know

I would have anxiety if I didn't work out.

I have anxiety.

Like when we were in Europe and I didn't work out, day three, I'm like restless, man.

And that anxiousness comes out.

To me, that's like going somewhere and not eating.

I'm not going to do that either.

Yeah.

Like if I go on vacation, I literally bring kettlebells.

I have two 70s and 250s.

They travel with me.

You put them in a suitcase?

I get them in my gut.

Ship them to where I'm going.

I have them delivered.

I don't give a fuck, dude.

I'm working out.

Because I have a lot of people.

I think Cam Sane said he did that with that rock.

Did he tell you?

I swear he told me a story.

He fucking packed that rock that he has people carry.

Cam, did it?

Yeah, for something.

I remember him telling that story, and I think I got lost.

He keeps that rock on the mountain.

And I'm like, don't you worry someone's going to be a fan of Take?

It's like, no, the kind of person who would take it's too much of a pussy to carry it.

Oh, my God.

That's funny.

It's so hilarious, this fucking rock that he carries everywhere.

But, you know, you have to stay healthy.

And for me, that's my medicine.

If I was a diabetic and I would say, I'm not taking any insulin.

Well, guess what?

You're a type 1 diabetic.

If you don't take insulin, you're going to fucking die.

Unfortunately, you've got bad genes when it comes to the creation of insulin.

But that's how I am with exercise, man.

Like, I'm doing it.

If I take a day off, I'm a maniac.

I don't like it.

I don't like that feeling.

I mean, I can take a day off.

I can relax.

But day two, day two is like,

but it's also that my brain is like, hey, what are you doing?

You're going to be a lazy fuck now?

Is that what you're doing?

You're going to be a fat pussy?

But just that hyper-focus and going through a workout, and then you come out the other end, and it's mental.

It's a huge mental risk.

Gigantic.

And my anxiety goes from an eight, it's creeping up.

Now it's an eight.

And then I go work out and it'll be a two.

It's good for everybody.

Listen, the nicest people that I know do jiu-jitsu.

And I know that sounds crazy.

The nicest people that I know are like regularly yanking on people's elbow joints and fucking tackling them then they're the nicest people I know and the reason why they're nice is because they take their fucking medicine they take their anti-aggressive medicine like and the idea that that somehow is bad and like what we need to do is eliminate all masculinity no you need to harness it just like everything else I mean this is just like the same response that we had to nuclear power.

Oh, we have Three Mile Island.

Stop the nukes.

No more nukes.

You've got a problem.

Now figure out how to harness it.

We were really bad at gasoline in the 70s.

We put fucking lead in it.

And that's why everybody got lead poisoning.

And then we had to come up with unleaded gasoline, which is just, don't add lead to it, you fucking assholes.

Don't burn lead and blast it through the air everywhere you go.

That seems fucking insane.

Well, We had to figure out how to harness it.

Just like we have to figure out how to harness masculinity.

I think we're going to, you brought up lead, and I wanted to get into the

one, the state of Texas stuff, which parallels and runs into the glyphosate shit.

If you want to talk about that, do you want to talk about that?

I would love to talk about that.

Because one of the things that's happening is I know that they've got an alternative to glyphosate that's even worse.

Yeah, they do.

And so one of the things that's happening is

at the federal level, they are looking to give big ag and big chemical immunity on all

these chemicals they're spraying on our food.

And they're voting in secret.

This is another fuckery moment.

As part of one of the bills that's being reviewed by Congress, they are attempting to vote in secrecy where we don't know who cast their vote to cast unified immunity on any future lawsuit against glyphosate or atrazam.

And well, we know how well that worked for vaccine manufacturers, so maybe we should try it.

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

And we do know,

let's point this out, that the company, Monsanto, that manufactures glyphosate is the same company that created agent orange is the same company that created ddt is the same company that with bayer tested their products on nazi concentration camp victims is the same company that pushed product in the third world nations where they didn't have checks and balances and couldn't come after them so let's just stop right there if satan was a ceo don't you think he'd be the head of that company oh my god did you imagine but if like if you said well there's a company in the world where satan's the ceo what what company do you think that would be and then you had all this evidence you lay it out, you're like, oh my God, Satan's alive.

He's real.

Oh, he's killing people with Agent Orange.

Yeah.

And what's crazy is in Europe,

in Europe, the allowable amount of glyphosate is literally almost one-fourth of what they're allowing in the United States.

And so the farmers and the lobbyist groups here in the state of Texas, when we tried to pass this food bill, okay, we shocked industry because candidly, it was the land of misfit toys.

It's literally me, and I don't mean that derogatory, but it's like, it's just a bunch of average Joes testifying against lobbyists.

And so it was me, an 18-year-old girl named Grace, who's a food advocate, my buddy Jason Karp, who owns like a food company, and then Dr.

Hyman in the initial testimonies.

Hold up.

There's an 18-year-old girl that's testifying.

Yeah.

She's a food expert.

She's a food advocate because

she has been able to cure.

I don't know her exact story but her she's brilliant she's literally the thurnberg of food yeah pretty much but she had a

she's the polar opposite but she's a brilliant girl because she was able to cure some of her chronic illness through no longer eating ultra processed foods and so now she's uh become an advocate for these things what do you do you know what illnesses she had I don't remember.

I don't want to say her name's Grace Price, if you.

Well, she's only 18.

That's kind of crazy.

Yeah.

She's brilliant.

She killed it.

But here's what happens.

We go to testify.

testify who shows up you you expose this i think i texted you about it and then you talked about it on the podcast the american heart association came to testify against us because they didn't want coke and twinkies and soft drinks and ultra processed foods removed from school lunches snap programs well listen thank god they're around

to set everybody on the right path.

Thank God the American Heart Association is there to stand up for Twinkies and Coca-Cola, which, by the way, I enjoy.

I mean, if I could just have a day where I didn't think about my health at all, I would love a nice glass of Coca-Cola with a few Twinkies.

Yeah.

They're fucking delicious.

But I know if I did that an hour later, I would want to die.

I would feel so bad.

And when I do that now, this is the thing that I, every now and then, I will fuck off and like eat an ice cream Sunday.

And I feel so bad that I go, how many people feel like this all the time?

Exactly.

How many people, this is their default state?

And then you add add it to a non-robust body.

So you add it to a body that's been sedentary, been eating this stuff forever.

So you have this constant cascading effect of inflammation, your fat, your back hurts, your head, you've got brain fog.

All day long, you're dealing with this, and that's your default.

So what happens to me for a very brief amount of time, or if I drink a milkshake, I'm like, oh, I feel like shit.

That's their whole life.

Yeah.

And you're describing my dad.

My dad is in that system where he literally just,

I love him, but he believes in all this bullshit that he's told, he goes to the doctor and they say, you know, historically, this is when he was younger.

He'd be on four or five meds and they'd go, oh, everything's good.

Everything checked out good.

And he'd come back and go, yeah, doctor said everything's good.

You're on six meds, dude.

What do you mean everything's good?

You're on six fucking medications.

My dad is now on 12 prescription medications and ended up in the hospital last weekend because of contraindications in the drugs.

The third leading cause of death in America is medical

misdiagnosis.

They're like, dad, come in.

We can do a full workup.

We can do all these things.

Yo, you are fucking listening.

Yeah.

Yeah.

My parents take vitamins now, finally.

And it's like, ah, dude.

Yeah, it's weird, man.

People don't want to listen to their kids and they don't want to change the path that they're on because then they have to admit their whole life has been kind of stupid.

People don't want to admit that.

They don't want to admit that they're a buffoon.

People are so they cling so hard to their identity of being correct.

Yeah.

It's too much of what you think of when you think of yourself as your choices and the way you think about things.

And that's where industry's done a killer job though, Joe.

I know, but for people that are listening to this, if you find yourself in that little category, really that's the weakness.

The weakness is not in admitting that you're

admitting you're wrong exposes that you're wrong and that's weakness.

no the real weakness is not being able to admit that you're wrong that's the real weakness because then you'll look everybody's wrong sometimes everybody does something wrong sometimes it's part of being a human our brains are it depends entirely on the interactions that you've had the day how much taxes you owe that you don't think you're going to be able to pay your credit card statements your fucking but

your wife hates you you think your friend might be fucking doing something shady in this business deal you guys got together.

You're all fucking stressed out all the time.

That's most of us.

People in these conditions are going to make mistakes.

You're going to not look at data that you assumed was correct, and you're going to argue for something that was wrong.

And we found this a lot during the COVID days.

It was really hard for people that got shitty with me to come around and admit like, oh, you kind of had a point.

There's a few of them that I lost forever and that have never admitted that they were wrong, never admitted that this whole whole thing was like they got caught up in a psyop.

But that's weak.

You've referred me, not just you, just in general, people hearing this, but we have helped so many fucking people with long COVID,

vaccine-related COVID.

Yeah, let's call it long COVID.

I don't know anybody

long COVID that wasn't vaccinated.

One of the people you, no, no, no.

I honestly don't know.

And one of the people you referred us, who's like a mega star, I didn't get his permission to talk about his, but so I won't say his name, but he literally sent me a long email saying thank you.

He's the best, isn't he?

Like he's a real human.

He's a real voice, everything is back.

Like he's been complimented.

He's like, I just cannot thank you and your team enough.

I fucking love that guy.

I wish we could say his name, too, because we can't.

But I did Jelly Roll's like, tell my story, man.

Jelly Roll's like, tell me myself.

Jellyroll is a man.

He's down 200 pounds.

And not on a GLP one.

It's amazing.

I want to be clear here.

He is not on a GLP one.

Jellyroll, when we met with with him, he said, Bubba, I don't want an asterisk next to this.

Yeah.

He also

threw his phone away.

Yeah, yeah.

He don't have a phone anymore.

He's got an association.

He calls me from his laptop.

Isn't that amazing?

He'll FaceTime me from his laptop.

That's the way to be healthy.

It's really, it's real, man.

That's another thing that people need to take into consideration when you're talking about mental health.

As much as social media is really valuable, I would never advocate for a ban on social media.

I think it's really valuable.

It's also really bad for you.

And it's really bad for you if you are interacting with nameless, faceless people and they're being negative to you.

You're being negative to them.

And, you know, you're arguing about climate or fucking.

I don't even, I'm a nobody.

I don't have hardly any, and I don't even use it anymore other than for work because of the political stuff.

People are like, you cook.

And then they just start attacking you.

And I'll see that.

I'm like, dude, I'm telling you the truth, man.

I get it.

You don't like what I have to say, but I'm not lying.

I mean, tell me where I'm lying.

I'm documenting everything.

I have the receipts.

Yeah, no, I get it too.

And you know what's really funny is when people get mad at you, if you criticize the administration, like, well, this is what you voted for.

Like, no, listen, fuckface.

Nobody voted for people, no,

maybe a few people thought that like some of the ICE raids, the way they're doing it, where they're showing up at Home Depot and just getting hardworking landscapers and just sending them back to Mexico.

Ed Calderon, who's an expert in the cartels, who was on the other day, he was explaining to me that they're getting kids that were brought over here when they were two and they've been here for 18 years.

So now they're 20 and they don't speak Spanish, but they're deporting them.

Yeah.

Well, and that's my thing.

You can't fucking believe.

You have to be able to fucking stand your ground on individual topics.

Otherwise, you're not going to be able to do that.

You know what I'm saying?

I'm saying nobody voted for that.

I certainly didn't think that they were going to do that.

If they said, this is what we're going to do, you know, all those kids that were brought over here when they were babies and been raised in America and have American friends and American jobs, We're going to send them to Mexico where they don't even speak the language.

Yeah.

Fuck you.

You guys are evil.

Yeah.

Fuck you.

Well, and then you, that, what you're describing is literally the messages I get.

You fucking idiot.

This is what you fought for.

Okay, I can tell you right now, Secretary Kennedy is fighting for the things that were hot-button topics for me.

He was.

He is.

That team is.

And we are trying to overhaul our food system and all of these different aspects.

He doesn't control the fucking EPA.

Right.

Like, I don't control the, I can't control if Congress, and don't get it wrong, it is Republicans and Democrats, but it's going to take both of them colluding to pass this bill that will give immunity to chemical companies.

And one of the things I do want to point out, because again, line of sight, and this, there's so many whack-a-moles and so much shit.

Donald Trump probably doesn't know this.

One of the things that I've been ringing the bell with with the FDA is that most of the ingredients in drugs are coming from China.

And if we're worried about China and the future of our relationship with China, we probably shouldn't be allowing all of our pharmaceutical companies to buy all of their ingredients from China.

But let's get into big chemical.

Glyphosate, we have banned, I don't remember the name of the Chinese company, but several states have

banned this major Chinese agrochemical chemical company from spraying any of our crops because we don't want Chinese chemicals sprayed on our food.

Dirty little secret.

What percentage of Monsanto's chemicals do you think come from China?

100%.

100%.

100 fucking percent.

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Chinese chemicals.

Well not only that, when 94% of Americans show glyphosate in their blood, maybe we've got a little bit of an issue.

Well, let's just, this is like take the Stephen Colbert approach.

It's such a small number.

Such a little amount.

What are you worried about?

Put all your faith in the experts.

No.

Well, even that, there is a solution, and I don't have all the answers, but we need to raise the questions.

We got to be able to have the discussions.

Well, that's whether we're talking about...

about it.

The question is, we have to figure out whether it's possible to do regenerative agriculture through the entire country.

Do you know that Putin is trying to do that with Russia?

No.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Putin is banning use of industrial chemicals in agriculture and trying to move this whole country to regenerative farming.

Well, so

he's not saying he's a good guy.

Not saying what he did in Ukraine was great, but for his country in that regard, like when you're a dictator, one of the things that's got to be great is you have the ability to go oh these people are fucking criminals like look what they're doing oh they're fucking over the health of all my people they're making it for their own profit they're making everyone else unhealthy and then they're gaslighting everybody and then they're they're in bed with all these fucking congress people who they pay off because they they fund their re-election campaigns and they fund their super packs so powerful jam so much money jamie can you pull up again sorry is it could you pull up on the waste well website?

There's the Senate testimonies.

It's big chemical.

So where I was going earlier, I'm so ADHD.

No, it's okay.

Where I was going is if you're a good dictator, you go, well, fuck those people.

Yeah, you can fix it.

Not that Putin's a good dictator.

You have to say all these things.

Yeah.

I'm just saying.

So one of the things I learned from a farmer, and I don't know farming, obviously, I'm not, I'm a healthcare guy.

I had a farmer tell me that 70% of our glyphosate exposure is because the dry harvesting.

So it's in the last helm.

We spray glyphosate apparently on the crops to dry them out faster so we can harvest them faster.

But that's all in the last week.

And if we didn't do that, we would reduce glyphosate exposure by 70%.

So it's just, and we're not on the cusp of a population boom.

Our fertility rates are plummeting.

Our population's declining.

We're going to be headed towards a crisis.

Elon's covered all of this.

Jamie, there's one with it's

a video.

It's a video.

And it's.

If you pull it up, let's see.

Oh, because I want you to hear

the other one.

This one?

Ah, shit.

I don't know which one it is.

I think it's

organic.

Yeah, it's click organic mist.

It's either that one or the one next to it.

The organic.

Yeah, that one.

If it'll play.

This is a lobbyist for Big Chemical who testified here in Texas to kill the bill.

And what he's saying.

The truth is, industry is terrified that what will happen is American mothers will see those labels and realizing they're poisoning their children.

You're using manure for organic foods.

It has to be solely manure and that is the agent that creates dangers in organic foods.

A bag of lazy potato chips has a 50% profit margin.

I heard Mr.

Busey earlier say something in Nature.

I don't want the price of eggs to go up.

Well, guess what?

Eggs have one ingredient, eggs.

There are more accounts of people dying from eating organic foods than there are from people eating foods that may have had pesticides

okay these are the people whoa whoa keep going up what is the answer though

that was it yeah oh that was the first thing that he said yeah oh my god the more people are dying eating organic foods that was his argument okay first of all look at him

That fella is filled with inflammation.

Yeah.

That fella, there's no way that dude is hiking up to the top of that.

What I was going to say is this is where I was going earlier.

This is so crazy.

We, the land of misfit toys, a couple of us fucking every average day Joe's are going up against the American Art Association,

H-E-B's lobbying group, Bucky's lobbying group, Coca-Cola, Pepsi.

They brought the fucking heat.

31 to nothing.

We got the vote through the Senate.

31 to nothing.

And then they said, holy shit.

These assholes are going to pull this off in the state of Texas.

They descended upon Texas with lobbyists out the ass.

And I'm getting calls like, hey, can you come back to the Capitol?

Can you come talk to congressmen and congresswomen?

They're looking to kill the bill.

They're going to kill the bill.

It was the highest level of fuckery.

I had Senator Colehurst.

I had Lacey Hole, a representative calling and saying, they are pulling out all the stops.

Jesus.

All the stops.

And they are telling congressmen and congresswomen, you're going to create food deserts.

You're going to starve minority communities.

This is a race play.

Like you name it.

They're going to starve if they don't have Coca-Cola.

We ended up having to concede, and this is kind of, it was a little bit of a smart move by Lacey and Senator Colehurst.

We put glyphosate natrazine in the bill to be listed as one of the substances that is known to cause harm.

Okay.

It isn't a food ingredient, so it was never going to make it through on the bill.

It was literally a smokescreen to provide ground coverage and a negotiation tool.

But it also allowed us to see who's against it and what politicians are going to support big chemical.

And these motherfuckers came out in the droves.

And one of the main guys from freaking a representative from Waco tried to kill the bill and turn the bill into a study.

He said, this shouldn't be a bill.

This should just be a long-term study.

And then industry came in and said, we should kill the bill at the state level and push it back to the feds.

We agree with you.

There needs to be reform, but let's push it back to the feds.

And so, but what people don't understand is we got the bills bills done.

We got three of these monumental bills done.

One of them require labels that disclose any banned substances in the state of Texas now have to be put on the front of a label, almost like a black box warning.

So like RD40, all that shit?

Any of the food dyes, any of the additives.

What's not on there are big chemical because big chemical wasn't a food ingredient.

And the lobby for big chemical is so.

powerful.

And that's where I was going with this.

They, I mean, it is crazy the lobby that Monsanto and these companies have.

And they're going to do that at the federal level.

And they're going to try and get this exemption around all pesticides.

And my rebuttal to that, and I said this on a call, is

if I'm going to a bar and I'm not going to fuck someone, there's no reason to carry a condom.

So if you're not fucking me, why do you need the condom?

If you're not fucking the American people, why do you need a condom?

You're giving them a condom, but they're telling us they're not going to fuck us.

Yeah, it's why do you need this exemption?

If your product's not causing cancer, why do you need an exemption?

Yeah.

Exactly.

If your vaccines aren't causing damage, why are we giving you a blanket exemption?

It's yet another smokescreen from industry to protect their profits and shut down anybody from ever being able to go after them for the damages they cause.

100%.

And I don't get it.

Republicans, Democrats, they're all implicitly involved in this.

Well, we have to also understand that in a lot of countries, this stuff is banned.

And it's banned for a very good reason.

It's banned because we know it causes harm.

Why, in the greatest country in the world, do we ever have anyone that we allow to advocate for harm

for profit?

Just harm.

It's not like this is the only way to grow food.

People grow food all over the world, man.

Yeah.

The idea that this is the only way to grow food is pretty insane, especially when we have examples.

But the thing is, like scalability.

I don't know if White Oaks pastures, if you could scale that out

and feed the world.

I think we might have fucked up.

I think we might have fucked up by jamming, you know, I don't know how many millions of people are in LA, 20?

What's the number?

What's the real number?

You know, what's the real number?

No one knows.

The ice raids had the fucking the streets empty.

So no one knows what the real number is, right?

But just how many people do you have to feed?

And even I think I said this earlier,

didn't I tell you that there was in they call them the Monsanto papers or or whatever, and in a FOIA request, there's this leaked document between

the head of the EPA and Monsanto where he, this individual says,

if I get this done for you guys, you owe me a medal.

Yeah, I say that.

Okay, I can't remember because

then there's the whole Coca-Cola aspect of it, too.

The point is, in L.A., no one's growing anything.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So you have 20 million people jammed into an area where the only thing that's growing is weed.

It's the only thing that anyone's growing in L.A.

Imagine if you get people so excited about tomatoes and oranges as you do about weed.

Yeah.

You know, and everybody's like, look at my tomatoes.

Or even what you talked about a bunch is hunting.

Like so many people are out of touch with the reality of

what it takes to create food.

No, I'm just saying even where their food comes from.

Well, where their food comes from for sure.

So the problem, what I was getting at, is that I think we have set ourselves up where our population numbers in areas like Los Angeles and New York are so great that you almost need factory farming to provide those people with enough nutrition to stay alive.

Like it gets that weird.

Because if you get to numbers, right, if you get to 20 million humans that aren't growing food, all right, so they need to get somebody else, they've, you know, pushed off to someone else the responsibility of acquiring food.

All they have to do is give them currency to get that food.

That is a new thing with human beings.

This is a new thing.

It's a new thing where we do that with enormous populations.

And then, so what's the solution?

The solution is one of the most immoral and unethical solutions that anyone has ever come up with.

Anything.

Stuff a bunch of animals into a fucking warehouse, have them piss and shit into a giant pond that you have outside that literally is probably poisoning the air around it for miles.

And then spray the fuck out of this monocrop agriculture because you've completely distorted what nature is and you've you've got thousand acres of corn.

Like that never happens in the world.

And all the animals and all the plants are supposed to kind of like intermingle in an ecosystem.

And for profit, you've decided to like set up this fucking Frankenstein lab where you just spray death juice all over the fucking corn.

And then you subsidize the farmers so that corn syrup is in goddamn everything.

Everything, including fucking salad dressing.

You know, and then you have canola oil, which is really just rapeseed oil.

And it's a disgusting fucking industrial lubricant that you're pretending is heart healthy.

And, like, this is the system that we're in right now.

And most people want, you know, there's a giant percentage of people that have been educated by traditional media that think that everything that I'm saying is conspiracy theory nonsense from bro science guy, which I am, bro, science guy.

I have a degree in bro science.

But this is all just real, folks.

You're you're fucking poisoned.

And if you continue to eat that way, you're going to be doomed.

Your body's going to fall apart.

That's just a fact.

We know it.

We all know it.

Processed food diets are just, there's no one that can say they're good for you.

They're bad for you.

Here's the question.

Do we have enough stake in this?

Do we have enough people's understanding of the dire consequences where we can have a real conversation about how do we feed all these people ethically and morally?

Because right now we have ag gag laws where if someone, like I say, if you work at some slaughterhouse or someplace you're not allowed to film the atrocities I didn't know you said yeah, there's laws.

Yeah, you will go to jail So if you show up at one of those horrible pig farms where they got these pigs like stuffed next to each other and shitting through grates and then that you ever seen I've seen that

if you film that and put it on tick-tock like this is where your bacon comes from you go to jail You go to jail.

Oh, I didn't know that.

Yeah, if they're doing

if they're abusing the animals like there's videos of guys that working in slaughterhouse like beating cows over the head and kicking them when they're down and slicing their throats and letting them squirm around.

Those kind of videos, you'll go to jail for filming them.

Yeah.

No consequences for the people that are doing it.

Because here's the other dirty secret.

It's just so short-sighted.

Here's the other dirty secret.

Where do you think they get their employees from?

If you're going to run a disgusting, unethical, immoral business, who are you going to hire?

First of all, it's disgusting, dirty work.

Nobody wants to smell pig shit all day.

Who are you going to hire?

well you're gonna hire people that snuck into the country because you don't have to have documents on them you don't have to pay them any kind of health care you don't have to give them any kind of benefits you don't have to give them jack shit yeah so you benefit from keeping that fucking border wide open And there's people that have publicly talked about this, we need the labor in this country because they're doing jobs that Americans don't want to do.

Well, you should really ask yourself, do we need those jobs?

And do we need to be doing it the way that we're doing it where those jobs are a necessity in 2025?

Or are we captive to an evil industry that cares more about money than it does about humans?

Which is demonic.

Well, I think you see the history throughout all industry.

You know, it's that it's just.

But it's always a battle of good and evil.

And that's what we have to understand.

Like, don't lose faith.

Like, oh my God, people suck.

No, no, no, no, no, no.

A small amount of people suck.

And some of those people get power, and then they control massive amounts of people who mostly don't suck.

Most people don't suck.

But really, what you're saying is,

and we've talked about this, but I swear to God, like when Denise came on to Waste Well to help me start this thing almost 10 years ago, our conversation was, if we keep our moral compass, if we make this about people, this is the end of God truth, man.

This isn't.

Hey, brother, I love you.

You need to tell me.

This is one of the reasons why you're on this.

You're a really good person, like a genuinely good person.

And I've seen you interact with fucking dozens of people that are my very good friends.

I've seen you, I've talked to people that

I knew, but that you maybe didn't know that I knew them independently.

And they've told me they've had amazing experiences with you.

You're a good guy.

I know, and you're making good money, but your mindset is so on the money.

Like, do the best that you can for people, and all the other stuff stuff will fall into place like the problem with corporations is that you can't function like that you have an obligation to your stakeholders so even if you're a good person which i think most of those people are probably good people that have been co-opted and then there's this diffusion of responsibility because you're a part of a gigantic corporation maybe i don't like what's going on maybe i don't like what we're doing but hey it gets all i can do is affect what i do around me like when you're a defense lawyer and you're helping someone get off and you know he's a murderer yeah and you have to help yeah because this is your job Like the guy stabbed his wife and you have to pretend he didn't.

I can even have empathy for that because

this is hard like even running this company.

I'm under attack.

I mean, we have 500 employees.

I'm battling the FDA.

I'm battling the state of Texas.

We were worried about the DEA and it changing telemedicine law.

But then you still have competition.

And beyond market pressure from big pharma, there's other compounding pharmacies.

There's other telemedicine companies.

There's other telemedicine apps.

There's other AI driven.

And you're sitting here and I'm watching what the market's doing and I disagree with it.

And I've stayed my ground.

And if I'm wrong, I let down 500 people.

If I get this wrong, I disappoint and let down 500 fucking people that believed in me, that took a leap of faith, that have worked at these companies because I have refused to outsource care.

What I have seen when I came on this podcast, I guess almost four years ago, now the first time, we had this boom.

We had only managed like 7,000 patients.

I go on here and 20,000 people try to register in like a day.

And I'm like, holy shit.

And people are like, you guys suck.

And why can't you be in my state?

And I'm like, because to get into your state is a lot more complicated.

The way my competitors are doing it is they're just outsourcing to a telemedicine doc that has no training in this disease state.

And that to me is no different than big pharma.

If we're going to just push pills and one size fits all approach, how is that medicine?

That's not predictive, preventative, and personalized.

And the vision of this company was to be predictive, preventative, and personalized.

And I've had people try and buy us out, and I've had people offer to buy us out, and I could take a payday, but I look at that and I go,

we're barely scratching the surface.

And the day I sell, this thing is no longer what it is.

I really believe that.

It's just going to be a money.

I have no, you don't have to say any of what you just said because I know that you would never do that.

I know who you are.

And to speak to the level of personalization you guys do, I get vitamins that are personally adjusted to whatever my blood work is.

And that's what I take now.

I take ways to well vitamins.

I take eight of them.

I just throw them in my mouth, swallow them all at once.

Some people think that's gross.

It's easy for me.

I got it.

No water, nothing.

Oh, I drink water for sure.

Yeah, I don't.

God damn.

How would you even do that?

I could even swallow one without water.

I know people who will just swallow a bunch of pills.

I can't do it.

I have to sit one pill at a time.

They have no way.

Oh, man.

Justin Rin, when he would take his vitamins, he would just throw like a whole handful in and just swallow them.

I'm like, how do you do that?

No water?

Yeah, and I know he's a huge human, but Jesus.

That's Viking genes.

They're used to eating mushrooms that way when they would go on berserker raids.

But, you know, that's all I have to take now.

And

I'm going to get my new blood work soon to see where everything's at.

I think I'm going to add a bunch of stuff back in, particularly niacin and then a bunch of other stuff that I was taking that really seems to have worked in terms of stopping macular degeneration, age-related macular degeneration.

I think that and the red light therapy has worked.

I don't use reading glasses anymore when I read my phone.

Oh, hell yeah, man.

That's nuts.

And GHK and BPC and stem cells and all of these things have benefits in every one of those aspects.

There was that study out of Europe.

I think we covered it last time for degenerative eyesight loss in using red light therapy.

Yeah, my eyesight is still not the best.

Like if I put a pair of readers on, I can see better, but I have no problem reading.

It's just like a little fuzzy, but not to the point where I can't read things anymore.

But it was getting worse.

It was getting significantly worse.

Like every six to eight months, I would notice a decline.

Like, fuck, man, I can't see shit anymore.

And then I started wearing reading glasses.

I've stopped that.

So it's not just stopped in its tracks, but my eyesight has gotten better.

better

which is nobody thinks that's possible ask most ophthalmologists like what you're you're going to take vitamins and you're going to like stare at the cells.

Well, it makes sense because

all of these things are in an effort to refuel ATP, and eyesight and ocular degeneration requires an immense amount of ATP.

And as our cells begin to degrade, those are the first cells that are going to go and begin to lose their functionality.

Yes.

And so if we can refuel ATP and maximize ATP, then we can optimize your chances at these degenerative things not occurring.

And that's my whole point of these building blocks.

Peptides, stem cells, amnion,

purified,

all of it,

PRP, you name it, all of these things are tools in the tool belt that aren't readily available or even talked about in traditional medicine.

And it's not because your doctor or clinician is a bad guy or girl.

It's because they're in an insurance model and insurance doesn't cover any of these things.

Exactly.

And that's the real problem in this country.

Everything has been co-opted by businesses.

And it's not the right path towards your health.

And there is a path towards your health.

And we have to fucking light the way.

We have to say, hey,

this road that we're on, do you know goblins built this road?

Do you know this road leads to the fucking goblin house?

Yeah, guys, I know a way around to the enchanted forest.

Go this way.

Another, you're our mutual friend.

I asked him and his mom if I could talk about this, Jesse Michaels.

So Jesse's dad is older and he's suffering from dementia.

And they flew down here.

I said, just get him down here.

And again

it's very nuanced we did a lot of things he was here for three days they're academics he's Jesse's brilliant you can tell that kid's brilliant but his parents are brilliant too they're psychologists and so both his parents are psychologists and his dad's battling dementia and has had a cognitive decline and they came in and his mom was a mega mega skeptic and On day three, she came into the clinic with tears in her eyes, hugged Veronica, hugged the team, which I got to thank the team that is here in Austin because those people are unbelievable.

I love my team.

Yeah, they're the magic.

I am not

a great place.

It's very positive.

Yeah.

And she hugged us and cried and said, Last night, like this stuff makes me emotional because it's, I believe it, man.

I'm telling you.

I've seen it.

I believe it.

I'm a believer.

You're never going to change my mind.

I don't give a shit what these people are saying at the federal level.

This stuff is life-changing.

And I've witnessed

the dementia.

She,

tears in her eyes, hugged the team and said, Last night, I had my husband back.

If nothing else, what did you do?

This is all we get out of this.

We did stem cells.

We did,

he was there for the three-day experience, which was like hyperbaric, cellular therapy, peptides, hit him with everything but the kitchen sink, like what we do with all these folks.

And we systematically red light, we did all of it.

But he's here for a three-day experience, and we run him through these things just to see if we can launch him into like a healthier space going back home reduce inflammation help with all of these different aspects hit him with ghk hit him with bpc hit him with stem cells all of these different peptides and building blocks anyways she she literally was in tears and hugged the team and said

for the first time in a long time i had my husband back last night it was like the olden days like we talked we laughed we hugged i had my husband back and she said if if it's just that if all i get out of this is that one night thank you Like, thank you.

And I talked to Jesse and he's like, my dad's doing the best he's done in months.

I'm not saying that these things are going to cure dementia.

I'm not saying any of that.

Dude, if I had dementia and that happened, I would move to Austin.

I'd be camped out right next to your fucking building.

What time are you guys opening?

Do you know what I'm saying?

But so many people think there's no hope.

And people with obesity, like Jelly Roll.

500 pounds, man.

And look at him.

It's incredible.

He's gone from walking to now he can run.

Now he's playing pickup basketball.

He carries that stupid rock.

I think he did.

He did that hike with Cam.

Yeah, he went up to the top of Mount Pigscut.

He was on Lift Run Shoot.

He was amazing on it.

He's such a sweet soul of a human being.

He really is.

He's the nicest guy.

And he looks like a criminal.

A fallen criminal.

Fucking tattoos all over his face.

Looks so sketchy, but he's so sweet.

Yeah.

He's such a good dude.

And the family.

He's going to be on the cover of Men's Health and GQ now.

That's incredible.

It's incredible.

Well, what he's done is super, super inspirational.

And I hope it motivates other people.

Like you can get the weight off.

It doesn't have to be a GLP-1.

It doesn't have to be.

And even those, like, this is where it's nuanced.

Like, I understand the backlash against GLP-1s, but when titrated down and unique and proprietary to a dosage unique to that patient, and when stacked with things like hormone optimization and,

you know, IGF, we can burn that fat off and maintain lean muscle mass and we're quantifying it because we have a dexa at the clinic so anybody who comes in we run them through a dexa now we know their lean muscle mass their body fat and the goal is to preserve muscle because i would argue more important to getting the body fat off and this is the pivot that i've tried to get jelly roll to and other folks

the fat's going to come off let's focus on building muscle if we can build muscle and help build leg strength and help put muscle on your frame, that is going to increase your metabolic burn rate.

That is going to put you in a better position for long-term health.

Don't make it all about the scale.

Make it about your body composition and how can we transition that composition to optimize lean muscle, minimize visceral and subcutaneous fat.

But we don't want to give up a pound of muscle.

Keep all, it's a motherfucker to put that muscle back on.

You don't want to lose that muscle.

Yeah, even with hormone optimization, it's a constant battle.

You have to constantly be working.

And if you don't, you're going to get weak.

And this is not a good thing.

It's not virtuous to be weak.

And this is a problem with,

you know, we were talking about masculinity earlier.

Yeah.

Hyper-awful masculinity is Vikings, right?

They show up in a boat, they kill everybody.

James Gillis is bid on Vikings.

Oh, the gay Vikings.

Oh, my God.

Well, that's what they're doing.

That would be terrifying.

Yeah, that's what they were, too.

Yeah.

But I think everyone was gay back then.

I remember, you know, when you read about the Spartans, like, is this unusual?

Is everybody gay?

And then you're like, Socrates, oh, he was gay too.

What the fuck was everybody gay?

I think it was different back then.

I think the concept of gay and straight is a fairly new one.

I think back then, everybody just fucked everybody.

I'm sure.

Just like chimps do.

It was a wild time.

Chimps, like bonobos.

You ever watched the bonobos?

They have one rule.

The mom won't fuck the son.

That's it.

Everybody's fucking.

Everybody else is fucking everybody.

No, it was chimpanzees in that.

Was that bonobos?

Those weren't bonobos.

No.

What was that?

Yeah, that was wild.

That was crazy.

Yeah.

Bonobos are, they're our weird hippie cousins.

I've heard you've been talking about Jesse's deal with the

tridactyls.

Insane.

And then you've said, I know, I think we talked about it.

Have you watched the one on Homo Letty?

That bipedal primate that buried the dead deep in caves?

We don't know shit.

We know nothing.

Well, we're listening.

We're learning, but it's a scattered.

It's not like, oh, we found the logbook.

We know what happened at every step of the way.

No, we're finding like little pieces of evidence from a burnt-down building.

Like, what is this?

Oh, this looks like,

I think this is a lighter.

Well, I know you had Gary Lighter.

You had Gary Nolan on, too.

I haven't heard it yet.

Sounds good.

Where's your head at now?

Because I know you're going back forth, back forth.

Something's going on.

Yeah.

But whatever this thing is going on,

first of all, from a material science perspective, which is what Gary was here for.

Well, Gary Gary was here to talk about his cancer research, first of all, which is fascinating.

And then

amazing stuff, like very interesting.

Then we started talking about how this was sort of an accidental introduction.

Someone brought to him a piece of some kind of a craft supposedly that crashed and said,

could you analyze this and find out what this is?

Someone in the CIA.

Probably.

I don't know.

One of them, a piece, was brought to the Art Bell Show.

They said that was from a crash from like the 1940s.

But this piece that had a direct chain of evidence so people knew where it was from a crash from the 1960s in Brazil,

it was made out of almost pure silica.

But the magnesium, the ratios, the isotope ratios and the magnesium had to be from a place that was experiencing what is the equivalent of a neutron bomb going off every two minutes for 900 years.

What the hell, dude?

Right.

Like, this is not like, this would be hyper difficult to make today.

Not saying it's impossible.

This is what he's saying.

Like, the odds of someone making that in 1950.

Yeah.

What are you talking about?

And then there's this alloy that they found where there's layers at like an atomic level, that this has been like a 3D printed alloy with like levels of these metals that don't occur organically.

And this is from 1970?

Like this isn't possible today.

Yeah.

With human beings in 2025.

No one's making that shit.

There's not a fact.

You would know.

Someone would have heard about it.

Unless there's some blacklisted military operation deep in the Nevada Mountains that no one knows about, that's doing some crazy super-funded shit that they lie to Congress about.

Okay, maybe.

But in 1970, were you doing that?

Did you have that alloy in 1970 that we can't make today?

That seems unlikely.

So something's going on.

Well, and your podcast with Representative Luna, I mean, I know she's on the political side, but I was listening to that.

I'm like, to have a Congresswoman saying these things.

And then even Tulsi came out.

She was talking about

intra-dimensional beings.

And I was like, what are you saying?

You know, you why I reached out to her to have her on the podcast.

Because she made a tweet about the description of of angels, what angels look like.

She's like, no, I didn't even say that.

I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

I go, did you tweet this?

And she goes, yeah.

And I was like, we didn't want to talk to me about this.

And we never even talked about it.

We never even got into the conversation.

But we got into aliens.

And we got into which,

you know, I think that good and evil are real things.

I think they're real things.

And I think there's this

very big struggle, both

on a micro and a macro scale.

I think internally, there's a battle of good and evil.

You know, when you want to do something good, but you can get away with doing something bad, the right thing to do is to do the good thing.

And then you feel better because of it.

This is like a weird.

It's not like it's impossible for you to go into evil.

If the situation

was that you were,

you know, in another time, in another part of the world, in a horrific war, and you had to raid a village because everyone else is raiding the village and you have to kill everybody because everybody else is killing everybody.

That's a part of us.

But there's a real struggle between figuring that out.

I wonder if that exists with some other beings from somewhere else.

And

this is where you get into biblical depictions of gods and angels and demons.

And you go, well, what are we really talking about?

If these people were trying to write write something down to represent a real event that took place,

we're looking at it in the framework of a society that believes in aliens because we've experienced space travel.

We know how to fly in planes.

We know how to fly to the stars.

And we know where this goes.

We know where this goes.

This goes to a better place where you get really good at it when you come visit us.

Right.

So we know that.

But back then, they didn't know that.

They didn't know anybody could fucking fly.

Right.

So if they're experiencing angels who literally fly and

devils and

these fucking things that they find,

like the Brazilian one

from Vargenia smells like sulfur.

Yeah.

Is that weird that that's what demons are supposed to be like?

They smell stories.

Oh, those stories.

And then go like banana.

They're supposed to be smell like sulfur.

They're like a special scripture like the book of Enoch, which I know isn't like technically.

I'm reading that right now.

I've got it on audiobook right now.

I'm listening to it every day.

It's fucking bananas.

It's the Watchers.

Yeah.

The Watchers who came down from the sky gave knowledge to Enoch, took him into space and gave him knowledge of agriculture and architecture.

And you're like, what?

It's also sorcery.

Oh, I didn't know that.

Yeah, which is probably technology.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It would be to people in that age.

100%.

Dude, I think we're engineered.

I think this is, I think

we are in a stage of our society

where the growth is experiencing this confrontation with our nature.

Like the growth of intelligence,

the growth of awareness is experiencing this battle with the fact that wars are still going on.

I think this is why there's a lot of shock.

in some circles about the public's backlash against what's happening in Gaza.

Like almost like they can't understand it.

Like you can understand.

How is this possible that someone's upset?

You're fucking telling me this is the only way in 2025 human beings can behave where you can bomb women and children and any opposition to that is anti-Semitic.

That's not flying today.

You can't do that today because this is a world.

So we are evolving, but we're not there yet.

We're not at a place where we have no war.

We're not at a place where there's no more murder.

We're not at a place where you don't have to send the National Guard into Chicago because there's 54 fucking shootings in a weekend.

So

if I was an alien civilization, I would wait.

I would do what we're doing right now.

I almost view it as a test.

I've said this.

I've said this recently.

I don't remember who it was, but in my mind, I look at it as...

Kind of like what Graham Hancock says.

What if we reached a level of knowledge and sophistication, but there's a reset button.

And I know the cataclysmic events and all those things, and we know that happens.

And we know it happens, I think, every 70,000 years.

There's that.

It's historically

going to happen.

But separate from that, when we look at the cosmos and we say, once you have the ability to generate a certain, reach a level two society and you reach that level two society, then you can create enough energy to bend space and time.

And in theory, you could fold time and traverse the cosmos.

Yeah.

Okay.

What if the reason there's not an exorbitant amount of intelligent life in the universe or the cosmos is you have to reach a certain level of spiritual accountability and knowledge and maturity before the technologic advancement supersedes that or advances past it, right?

Because right now, if you gave us infinite power,

we're going to be fucking dead.

Well, we kind of it's terrifying.

Well, we're certainly in that situation when it comes to nuclear bombs.

We have enough nuclear bombs to kill everybody over, and yet we're still making them.

Yeah.

Everybody on the planet, we could kill, and we're still so stupid that we haven't pointed at each other.

Right.

So if I was an alien, I would wait.

I think that makes sense that you have to achieve some sort of a spiritual connection.

But that is just assuming that you stay human and that human is the only way to go.

You know, there's this

very highly criticized video of Peter Thiel, which is kind of funny.

Antichrist.

No, no, no, no.

That's another one.

Poor guy.

Also, it kind of like looks a little too shiny to be a regular person.

He's a little too slippery looking.

So that's.

reptilian.

But he's a thoughtful person.

And when I was asking him any question on the podcast, he has these long pauses before he answers.

Is it part of his speech pattern, part of his thinking?

Well, the problem is he did that with the question of should the human race survive?

Yeah.

This guy was like, the answers, they should, right?

So the guy was like pressing him, talking to him like he's a regular person, instead of just letting this air out.

gonna have you are you pressed for time you got a fucking an hour and a half to talk to this guy let him talk

but

this the the problem is we are awesome and i love all the things that we do i love how we create art and food and we create fun and comedy we're fun with each other i love human beings i i love our our creative ability i love all the things about us but this is not the only way that a life form can exist.

And the idea that we have to stay this forever, although I love us, seems kind of silly.

But this is like going back to Australia Pythecus and go, bro, fucking

sticks and stones for life, bro.

Fuck a house.

Okay, bro.

I'm down with all.

No, that's ridiculous.

That's crazy.

And what's the next logical step for an organism that is experiencing technological advancements far beyond anything that any other organism on the planet has come anywhere close to.

Like we're way out there.

What's the next logical step?

Well, abandon everything that ruins us.

Yeah.

So what ruins us?

All this greed that we're talking about earlier.

What does all this come from?

This comes from famine thinking.

This comes from tribal thinking, us versus them.

This comes from trying to acquire resources because you want to stay alive.

All those things have been hijacked.

All these human reward systems have been hijacked and monetized and then stuck into this corporate structure where you have to make more money every quarter.

It's craziness.

Well, back to psychedelics.

When you do psychedelics, ego sheds and you go,

there is no me.

Like, there's us.

We're in this together.

And every time I think I'm trying to be a good person, there's never a time I've done a big dose of psychedelics and not thought about something I did mean in third grade.

Or like,

I've got to be better.

I have to be more patient.

I can't lose my temper.

Of course.

My God, man, I really wish I wouldn't have lost my temper over X.

Damn, that's

being way more empathetic on this.

I was selfish and I was busy and I was stressed and I ignored this person's cry for help.

This is my point.

I think

that we're that close to not ever having to think about those things again.

I think we're that close.

I think we're that close to transcending what it means to be a human being.

And I don't know if it's good.

Yeah.

I don't know if it's good.

You're saying through technology?

Yeah.

Because

what we're getting with humans is the blues.

We're getting Charlie Crockett.

We're getting Sturgil Simpson.

With humans, we're getting beauty.

We're getting amazing voices.

We're getting paintings that make you go, fuck.

We're getting muscle cars like, dude, look at this thing.

We're getting, with humans, we're getting all this amazing stuff, but we're also getting Gaza.

We're also getting Ukraine.

We're also getting

the banking, the housing scandal from 2008, the collapse.

We're getting evil shit we're getting demons we're getting you know the fucking

we could go down the line with medications and pharmaceutical drugs and chemicals and pollutants and all the different fucking scams that are running out around in our education system

All of this is because human beings are capable of deceit.

All of this is because human beings have these reward systems that are built in from us being territorial apes.

And we're all so attached to those things because they make great barbecue.

Because

a chocolate milkshake is fucking delicious.

You know, because I do like pulling into P-Terry's and ordering a double bacon cheeseburger on a boat.

You know, look,

it doesn't mean that this is the only way to go.

And I think we have to abandon that.

Just like you have to abandon the idea of not having a cell phone anymore.

There's going to be something that happens in our lifetime that allows us to communicate with each other in a different way.

And I think it's going to be mind-to-mind, and I think it's going to be through this interface.

And it gets really challenging.

It's going to get really challenging as to how do you know whether or not that interface is controlled?

Is there a decentralized system where we realize that the power structures that exist right now in terms of big tech, you cannot allow that?

We've shown that they're terrible with censorship.

We've shown that they're terrible with dictating narratives and with siding with

corporate structures that are doing things that are absolutely detrimental to people's health and well-being.

And they're doing it and they're lying and they're using bots.

And so we know that that exists right now.

And if we have that controlling the mind, literally the hive mind of the world, that's not good.

So it's going to have to be decent.

I want to make sure I because we don't have telepathy yet.

I want to make sure I'm understanding.

I think I am.

Like, I look at Chat GPT or any of these large language models, and they're a tremendous resource, and that is now the new Google.

And that is where you research and get a lot of information and fact-check things.

And right now, you type it in a phone and you wait and you get an answer.

In the future, I'm envisioning like Cyberlink or one of these companies implants something, and you're merged with that.

So, you think, like, the Matrix, I know Kung Fu.

100%.

I know Kung Fu.

100%.

You just downloaded Jiu-Jitsu app, and now you know Jiu-Jitsu.

And universal language.

Universal

telepathic language.

I think that's on the agenda.

And Elon's talked about that.

Amanda already has fucking headphones that she brought to Europe where you speak in one language, you give the person the other headphone, it tells them in English and in their language, and then translates theirs to English.

Yeah.

It's literally there.

It's just a freaking earpiece, though.

Yeah.

And it's in your ear.

And imagine when that's just in your head and you're not even using words.

You're just

sharing an emotion.

How about we abandon all languages except a new one?

The whole world.

Yeah.

I mean, that's probably the Tower of Babel, dude.

That's probably how it went down.

You see, when I read like these things like the Book of Enoch or

even...

If you try, this is like the Ezekiel story.

I'm always like, what are they trying to say?

Someone was trying to write something down.

To dismiss it today as just fairy tales.

And that's cute.

I love how you're really smart and you're better than everybody else.

That's great because that's part of the thing of being an atheist.

Like, I'm smarter.

These are fairy tales.

Like, okay.

Like, I don't really believe a guy came back from the dead, but what were they trying to talk about?

Like, what, what is, who was that guy?

I don't like people who have that definitive.

You can't be that

being an atheist is just as arrogant as saying, my,

where was the saying, like, there's 900-something religions, and if you're a Christian and you say, all 899 are wrong.

Right.

Being an atheist is even more arrogant.

You're literally saying everything's wrong and there's nothing.

Like, I just, well, I think there's got to be something.

I think there is something, but I think you also have to look at it through the lens of human beings.

Because unfortunately, we are a dirty filter.

And if you run the truth through us, the truth is going to get contaminated.

If you have like poor, like if you pour pure tequila through a filter that has cat shit in it, you're going to get cat shit in your drink.

That's just how it works.

Yes.

Right.

So if you're a human being and you're telling a true story and you're telling it for centuries before it ever gets written down, right?

And then it gets written down in one language, it gets translated into another language.

And then you get a couple of rabbis who decide way back, like what year was it where they took the book of Enoch out of the canon, right?

They decided because it was from a rival faction from the Qumran people.

Those are the ones that believed in Enoch.

Well, fuck those people.

Those guys are assholes.

Let's get it out.

So that one one story that throws the whole, like, what they had to teach that in the Bible today.

If you went to Sunday church and they were talking about the watchers coming down and breeding with female humans and providing sorcery and metallurgy and teaching them agriculture, like, what are you saying?

Yeah.

Like, what happened?

Instead of this one very compelling story about Jesus Christ, which is very compelling because there's no human beings historically, like even like if you're a Muslim, some of the things that Muhammad did, a lot of people are like, hey, this is kind of crazy.

He married a nine-year-old.

Hey, this is kind of crazy.

Like, what do you, like, he's a warlord?

Hey, this is kind of crazy.

Like, with Jesus Christ, it's very weird.

Like, you have this insanely peaceful person in a time of ultimate chaos where the Romans are literally taking people that they don't like and pegging them to a fucking cross.

Yeah.

And then this guy decides he wants to die that way.

And this is everybody's story that interacts with him.

Nobody's like, oh, I knew Jesus.

He was a cunt.

That guy was a piece of shit.

Let me tell you what.

He fucked my sister, dude.

I told him, just don't fuck my sister.

Like, no, there's no stories like that.

It's weird.

The story is weird.

The story of this guy who tells you universal truths that apply today.

You know, treat everyone as if they are you.

Yeah.

And that he figured this out 2,000 years ago.

I want to know who that guy was.

Like, what was going on with that guy?

Was that guy, like, the ultimate mushroom eater of all time?

Did he figure it all out back then?

And was he teaching these people that?

Or was he an extraterrestrial?

Was he what we think of as the son of God?

Because he literally is born from another life form and brought down to earth to try to help our advancement.

It's all fascinating.

It is very fascinating because anybody who's Christian, like, that's bullshit and blasphemy, and you don't know the canon.

You're right.

But you gotta throw the human being filter into the equation always.

Look, there's some things about the human being filter that are really fascinating.

Like, one of the things that Wes Huff told us when he was on the podcast is explaining that the book of Isaiah from the Dead Sea Scrolls, which they didn't even know existed.

When they translated it, they found out it is 1,000 years older.

than the book of Isaiah that was thought to be the oldest version of it.

And they're identical, verbatim, word for word.

So that's where it gets crazy, right?

So there's something about once it's written down that the true devotees, and as long as you don't get some asshole rabbis aside, get that book of Isaiah out of there, or get that book of Enoch out of there.

There's a few that we're humans.

The human cat shit filter gets in the way.

And you get human interaction with this, and then you lose some of the story.

Like, fuck.

What was the story, though?

Yeah.

This is my take on all of it.

There was something that happened, man.

And we have this urge to deny that this something might have been some higher intelligence from somewhere else manipulating human genes.

But we do it.

I went to see the dire wolves last month.

Who was that?

Insane.

Insane.

They're the same ones that are going to bring back the Wooly Mammoth, right?

Yes.

I went to see the fucking Game of Thrones dire wolves.

They are so clearly not regular wolves.

Yeah.

It is wild.

And there's always people that are saying, like,

technically speaking, according to my academy, this is not a real dire wolf.

You've just manipulated a great wolf.

You've got to have exacerbated traits of the dire wolf in a game of correct.

However, tell it to the dire wolves.

That thing thinks it's a dire wolf.

It looks like a dire wolf.

It's going to behave.

It's behaving like a dire wolf.

My point is,

we do that.

We fuck with genes of animals all the time.

Well, even you've said, you know, I've talked about it.

Look at our own genes.

Look at our genetic growth of our brain, and we try to go back and say it's because we went to hunter-gatherers and all of a sudden we burned meat.

And then because we burned meat, our GI tract shrunk and our GI tract shrunk and protein was absorbed and our brains were able to grow.

It still doesn't really account for how much our intelligence jumped and our brain capacity jumped.

Over just a small amount of time, historically, when you compare all the other animals on the planet, No other animal experienced anything remotely like the doubling of the human brain size.

But we were already pretty fucking clever, pretty clever monkeys.

You know, monkeys have little languages.

They tell each other when hawks are nearby.

They scream.

You know, they've shown that some monkeys will trick other monkeys into getting away from the fruit.

They'll yell out that there's an eagle, and then those monkeys run to get away from the eagle, and then that monkey runs and gets the fruit.

Yeah.

So they have a language, they have deception, they're clever little fuckers, but they ain't shit compared to us.

Yeah.

You know, you go from monkey to Elon Musk and you're like, what happened?

Yeah.

What happened?

Yeah.

Show me what you did.

How'd you get here?

How'd you get here?

There's no one has an answer.

You say, oh, well, it's natural selection.

It's a random mutation.

Like,

maybe.

Or maybe that book of Enoch's trying to tell you something.

There's maybe

Ezekiel's trying to tell you something.

Maybe, maybe that wheel within a wheel where this thing is coming out of the sky and you can't even understand what he's seeing.

How come so many people have these?

Just because I haven't had that experience doesn't mean that that's not a real thing that's happened over and over.

There might be a reason why I haven't had that experience.

First of all, I have too much big of a platform and a big fucking mouth, and I'd probably ruin the whole party, but I wouldn't even because no one would believe me.

It would just be one more thing that you ridicule.

And when you ridicule people for these experiences that you haven't had yourself, you got to wonder, like,

what if they're telling the truth?

Did Gary get into,

because it goes back to like the telepathy tapes and the story with these autistic, nonverbal, autistic children?

I should say something about that, though, before we go any further.

Oz Perlman, who's a mentalist, he's very critical of that stuff.

And he showed me what they're doing.

And one of the things that he said, he goes, no, no, no, these women are touching their sons while their sons are like moving the words around.

They're assisting.

They're helping them.

He goes,

he goes, a scientist might not be able to see what they're doing.

He goes, but a mentalist most certainly can.

And Oz Perlman is fucking amazing at that shit.

I mean, he did some tricks where I figured out how he did it.

Jamie actually figured one of the things that he did out afterwards.

Don't need to tell anybody.

Yeah, we don't need to tell anybody.

We don't need to tell anybody.

I saw Jamie, Chris Ramsey, was doing all this crazy, fucking amazing magician illusion shit, and Jamie's like fucking calling him out on everything he could figure out.

Well, Jamie's a little bit of a...

Let me tell you something, though.

Me and Jamie, when we watched David Blaine, we were like, what the fuck did he do?

Like, what did he do?

How did he do that?

He was showing us car tricks off camera to my young daughter at the time.

We were baffled.

Jamie was watching him.

His sleeves were rolled up.

We're like, what did he do?

Like, we watched it over and over and over again.

I don't know how the fuck he did it.

Yeah.

It was weird.

Yeah.

He's weirdly good at that shit.

Like weirdly good.

Yeah.

Where it's, it's quite, it's quite a mind fuck.

But so Oz Perlman's, but he's not doing real magic.

He's not a real sorcerer, right?

Yeah.

This is the point.

There's tricks.

And Oz was like, you should not account for any of that evidence that they're showing you.

He goes, this is all like there's a non-verbal communication between the mother and the son, but it involves touching.

It involves like pointing and signaling.

It's not as simple as the kid just figured it out.

And then he showed us a video of it.

And we were like, oh, I thought it was like the kid was in another room.

No one was around him.

They gave him the iPad.

He knew what to write down because it was in his head, because his mom had seen it.

It's not that simple.

So maybe there's some that he's dismissing that you can't dismiss.

I've heard Gary do, he breaks down a certain brain anomaly that seems to be consistent with UAP experiencers.

Did he get into that?

No, he did not.

He's done like these brain scans and tests on military personnel who are trying to qualify for disability, and every single one of them

have this brain anomaly.

And his thing is, is the brain anomaly an antenna that makes you more receptive or able to pick up on these things?

Or did the encounter itself create the anomaly?

Ooh.

Well, you got to do a double-blind placebo-controlled test and have some kid wander through the desert for a couple of months, hopefully get abducted.

But that's the other thing.

They're not abducting.

They're doing whatever the fuck they want to do.

They don't really care about your agenda if they are a real thing.

And I don't know that they are.

I don't know that these aren't just psychotic dreams that people have.

I don't know because dreams are very realistic and dreams are often uniform.

Like a lot of people have dreams of falling.

A lot of people have dreams of breathing underwater.

Does that mean you're really breathing underwater?

I just look at it logically and say there's so many inhabitable planets now in the cosmos.

And if any of those planets ever had a head start on life a few million years ahead of Earth, then that there's a statistical likelihood that that life would have evolved into intelligent life over time.

And with a big enough head start,

you would have the technology if you don't destroy yourself.

But what if the catch is, if you don't destroy yourself?

And what if the test is,

does your society reach a level of consciousness that is non-destructive before you become an off-planet species?

Well, my fear is the only way to do that is through technology.

My fear is that the only way to do that is to to integrate with this great machine that we're creating right now, artificial general superintelligence, and that we are going to either have to merge or perish, and that we're going to choose to merge.

And

one of the things that's probably going to happen to us is all of these things that we love that we create with all of our imperfect human behavior.

All those things are have to go bye-bye.

That's my fear.

That's why the gray aliens all look uniform.

They look all the same.

And they don't use their lips.

They talk with their minds.

And that's probably the future of the human race.

That's probably why it's there.

When you see that iconic image from Close Encounters of the Third Con, there's something about that that makes sense, right?

Because that goes, oh, I guess that's where we're going.

Because it seems like where we're going.

If we go from, you know, ancient hominids covered in hair, short and fucking gnarled over and fighting off predators to some nerd who works at Google right now who's deciding you know whether or not trans fucking

activists who are protesting this or that should show up in your Google feed like yeah you know what I mean like that's that's where well where's it going after that what's good it's I think that's part of what's going on with like this confusion with gender and the fact that microplastics are killing everybody's reproductive systems killing everybody's endocrine system significant drop in testosterone from the 1970s significant increase in miscarriages.

Like we're becoming non-biological sexuality.

We're literally becoming Demolition Man.

Do you remember the movie Demolition Man?

Yeah.

We were criticizing femininity.

Yeah.

And at that time, it's like greetings and salutations.

Yeah.

Like nobody has violence or anything.

We're criticizing normal femininity, especially like traditional wife roles, but we are celebrating women who assume roles in society of toxic men, which which is CEOs.

We're celebrating a woman becoming more manly.

We're celebrating men becoming feminists.

We're celebrating men who are wearing that fucking BDSM outfit that that shithead was wearing.

He was posing with that outfit on like, look at me, I'm free.

This is how I behave.

And I want het B shots for all the babies.

Oh, my God.

Like,

we're a society that's lost its fucking way.

Clearly, we've lost our way.

And what better way to find our way than a little thing you slip on over ahead and

everybody's locked in and everybody's together in this.

But who's going to control that fucking thing?

It has to be decentralized.

It has to be literally like connected to some sort of

a hive mind blockchain.

It's the only way it's going to work.

It's never going to work if you have a corporation like Google or Meta or any other corporation that has censorship.

Like even these chat bots, ask chat bots about like racial statistics for homicides and things like that.

They don't want to profile.

They don't want to do that.

They don't want to give you answers on things like that that are really inconvenient and that people don't like.

You saw that crazy fucking software, that Israeli counter surveillance software they just launched last week after that shooting.

That shit's pretty scary.

What are you talking about?

There's a software that they're launching that tracks all the total.

Yeah, it's tracking everything that people are messaging and DMing.

The way I understand it and the way they were saying it is they were celebrating it as a good thing.

But I'm thinking anybody in any chat room or any of that, it's starting to get like very minority reports.

So every chat room, if you're saying something

that could be crazy or in a DM or in a chat room or anywhere on the internet or in Instagram or in a private chat, supposedly this is combing all of the internet, social media, everything to begin to assess mental health and predict analytics of seeing like if you could be a threat.

And my name is,

yeah, that's what I'm like, then what the fuck are we headed towards?

It's gonna be like the statistical algorithm says that you have a 70% chance of committing a violent crime today.

You're arrested.

And again, who's in control of that?

The slippery guy.

The guy with, like, you know what I mean?

Yeah.

Like, Peter Thiel's a part of all that.

But this is not a knock on Peter Thiel.

No human should have the ability to have access to that information and decide who gets it and who doesn't.

Yeah.

No, no human should be able to decide whether or not you can connect to the hive mind of the entire human race and use a telepathic language.

Israeli military creating chat GPT-like tool using vast collection of Palestinian surveillance data.

And they're supposedly going to be able to

get hero.

Is that what they're talking about?

I don't think it's Palantir because what I heard is an Israeli-backed system.

So this is a system.

Well, we should be real clear then because I feel like I was talking about Palantir earlier and we're going to get sued.

So this is a different thing.

Israeli military surveillance agencies use a vast collection of intercepted Palestinian communications to build a powerful artificial intelligence tool similar to ChatGPT that it hopes will transform its spying capabilities.

Wow.

Okay, according to sources familiar with the project, the unit began building the model to create a sophisticated chatbot-like tool capable of answering questions about people.

It is monitoring and providing insights into the massive volumes of surveillance data that it collects.

So that's what it's doing.

And I swear there was an article after that shooting that they're going to start using it and rolling it out here to proactively protect us against potential threats.

And I was like,

that shit's not good.

That sounds terrifying.

And I guarantee they're not going to say a peep about SSRIs.

How about that?

It brings it all back to this connection.

I bet they won't bring that part up.

Yeah.

Nope.

So you got all your surveillance.

Did you notice anything?

Did you guys notice anything?

You notice that?

Oh, okay.

The Trump administration is silently employing Palantir to gather personal data of each American, raising privacy, data misuse concerns.

So this is a different thing.

So what is it doing?

So this is totally different than the Israeli thing, right?

Okay, yeah.

Okay.

I guess I got a mix.

No worries, but they're both kind of creepy.

Gather personal data of American citizens from various federal agencies, sparking concerns over privacy and potential misuse of personal data.

So what is it doing?

How is it doing this?

Does it say

how it works?

No.

Capabilities of data organization and analysis could potentially enable the merging of information from various agencies, thereby creating detailed profiles of American citizens.

The Trump administration, profiles curated by who, right?

It says citizen data from the government, including bank accounts.

Go back to that.

Did you see that?

It says bank accounts.

Where was it?

Guys, guys, guys.

Who signed off on this?

Is this already implemented?

I'll say, okay, access extensive citizen data from the government databases, including bank details, student debt, medical claims, claims, and disability status.

Oh, you might be faking your disability, Brigham.

We might have to come knock on your door.

We don't like your tweets.

Oh, by the way.

Graham Linahan, the guy who was on the podcast, he got arrested when he went back to the UK.

The guy who was on the podcast, who was a beloved comedy writer from the UK, who was talking about the trans issue and how insane it is, lost everything, lost his career, like getting sued constantly,

went back to the UK and they arrested him.

They met armed police, met him at the airport and arrested him for tweets.

For three tweets.

If you go to my Twitter, I retweeted it.

I retweeted the story.

Will you go to that?

That's scary because we were headed that way.

Oh, we're fucking headed that way.

Yeah, 100%.

And we still could be, you know?

Yeah.

And we still could be.

And when people say, oh, you voted for fascism.

No, I don't think anybody should be in control of this country.

Okay.

Any one person.

But believe me, I don't.

I don't think anybody's good at it.

But I don't think you should let the same party that was propping up a dead man and was secretly doing shit behind the scenes like using Autopen to sign off on all kinds of executive orders that he didn't even fucking know what the details of were which is explained we had that conversation with mike johnson and he literally didn't remember signing it or thought it was something other than what it was

i'm not in favor of keeping that that's all it is folks and i am in favor of rf kennedy and i think A lot of the stuff Trump believes in, like making America a robust place where manufacturing booms bring back American jobs are positive.

Yeah.

I don't like the the coin.

I don't like the drum coin.

I think that's fucking crazy.

That's a crazy move.

But is it illegal?

I don't know.

Are they all corrupt?

I think they are.

Graham Linnehan has been arrested at Heathrow by five police, five armed police officers.

His crime was these three posts.

Look at these three posts.

So click on it and we'll get to see.

This is what he says.

If a trans-identified male is in a female-only space, he is committing a violent abusive act.

Make a scene, call the cops, and if all else fails, punch him in the balls.

Comedy writer, also his opinion.

Can't have that in the UK.

So this one says, a photo you can smell, and it's all these people that are protesting.

I don't know what the context of this is.

The other one is, I hate them, misogynists and homophobes.

Fuck them.

So these three tweets are a problem.

So the idea of misogynists and homophobes, you go, wait a minute.

No, no, no.

These are people that are LBTGTQ2 plus.

I know a lot of gay people that think that the trans movement is homophobic because it's saying you're not gay, you're a woman.

And you're attracted to men, but you're a woman.

Well, if you just leave those people alone and don't cut their dick off, they most likely will be gay.

And there's data to show that.

So a lot of gay people, including Tim Dylan, think of this movement as being homophobic.

I know that's so counterintuitive for other people.

The idea of it being misogynistic.

Well, how is it misogynistic?

Well, what better way to harm women than to allow male predators to just tell you they're a woman?

I'm not a wolf.

I'm a grandma.

Put on the bonnet and now you're in the chicken coop.

It's ridiculous.

It's ridiculous.

And to say that you're protecting women,

including trans women, is like,

that's a new thing.

That's a new thing that you invented without taking into account perverts.

You didn't take them into account at all.

You didn't take into account sex offenders and psychopaths and mentally ill people.

You just said all trans women are women.

Well, you just opened up the door and gave a fucking free pass to psychos to wear a dress.

And if you don't want to admit that, that's misogynistic because you're not really protecting women.

Because you think you by protecting, well, if we have to protect all women, because trans women are women.

No, no, no, no, no.

That's a man.

Yeah.

That's a man, and you're using words.

You're using

sounds you make with your mouth to distort biological reality.

And the guy says that if you don't do that, you're non-empathetic.

Well, that's crazy, Doc.

That's crazy.

And so that

tweet is correct.

But while being a good person,

did he have to stay in jail or did they let him go?

Bro, I don't know, man, but he had to go to the hospital because his blood pressure spiked.

He went fucking crazy.

He's a good guy, man.

He's a sweetheart of a guy and super successful in the UK.

And he's been attacked because a lot of these people that are, you know, trans-identified, a lot of these people, they have a lot of mental health issues.

And there have also been people that have been fucked over by the system, including that last school shooter who said that they were upset that they got tricked into becoming trans.

And they wanted to cut their hair off.

They have all this hair.

They wanted to cut it off, but they didn't want to give anyone the satisfaction of showing that they were right, that you weren't really a woman.

It's such a weird topic because it's such a small percentage of society, but it occupies so much bandwidth

in the public forums.

I think this is pure evidence that

our interactions are being co-opted.

And it's great evidence that a lot, this is the success of the programs that like Yuri Besmanov talked about in the 1980s, where they were talking about demoralization.

The goal wasn't, the Russian goal in terms of what they were doing to America wasn't, you know, let's make sure that Donald Trump wins or let's make sure that Hillary Clinton wins.

That was not the goal.

The goal is to make people lose faith in all of these institutions, lose faith completely, demoralize them, demoralize them, keep them at each other's back, convince them all that they're racists and that they're homophobes and they're transphobes and they're this and they're that and they're Nazis and this.

Keep them at each other's throats that's why this thing has become so but the problem is then kids get caught up in it because it becomes a part of the zeitgeist it becomes a part of the the culture you know kids wear bell bottoms kids do this i'm non-binary like they just jump in they jump in because they want to be a part of a group they jump in because they want to be noticed and then they get rewarded you're amazing you're amazing no one ever told them they're amazing before next thing you know they're getting hormones next thing you know they're on this road and maybe they were autistic and maybe they did they have they're just weird with social interactions and you're getting you're tricking kids and that's a part of this it doesn't it doesn't mean that there haven't historically been people that feel like they're in the wrong body i'm sure there have been that is not this this is this this is a giant thing that's happening and i think it's being manipulated and i think a lot of it is it's social media manipulation where a bunch of these people aren't even real people and they're the most vocal and the most outrageous about it and they're organized you go to these these rallies why does everybody have the same sign Where'd you get your sign?

Who made these signs?

Why are they so good?

Who's the sign guy?

Well, I do know all the counterintelligence stuff is that, you know, China and a lot of these nations play the long game, right?

They're in it for a 20-year run.

They're not trying to do a 100-year run.

What's the best way to do that?

Demoralize America.

What's the best way to do that?

Pay off all these fucking doctors to prescribe as much medication as possible.

We have a lot of money in the pharmaceutical drug companies anyway.

This way we profit.

Let's keep the ball rolling.

Let's pay off all these politicians.

Let's just be as demonic as possible and try to ruin this amazing experiment in self-democracy.

Scary.

Yeah.

It's a battle.

This amazing experiment in self-government that's really never been tried before, like we're doing it.

It's a new thing.

You know, and this new thing also coincides with this other new thing.

And this other new thing is the internet.

And the internet is awesome and scary, and it's being used by scumbags and brilliant people.

Everyone is all swimming around in this sea of ideas and at least according to some people, 80% of it is bots.

That part's nuts.

That part's nuts.

Well, and then with chat with large language models, I keep saying chat, with any large language model, I mean, man, when you interact with them and it even shows up on my feeds, I see, you know, they know how to target us.

They know like everything.

They know how to capture my attention.

And it's like, now I'm like, I showed Amanda a video the other day day and she's like oh that's AI and I had to do like a double take because I was kind of like half paying attention yeah but it was 100% all AI generated I'm like damn man yeah like what are we gonna do in another 18 months like you're not gonna know what's real you're not gonna have any idea I see them doing ads for you all the fucking time shows up on my feed I don't know you Huberman I get people to call me up the only reason I know it's bullshit is because it's I know you're not advertising for that and I know Huberman's not advertising for that and I'm like I don't even know how they can legally get away with it.

I mean, I think they get hammered.

We go after them.

And we have them take them down, but sometimes they don't listen.

They took one of our podcasts.

It showed up on YouTube.

It was one of our podcasts.

I don't even remember what you were saying, but it was you breaking down something to do with Waste Well and how it's helped you.

But it wasn't Waste Well.

They plug in their product.

Of course.

And I'm like, oh, these motherfuckers.

These motherfuckers, man, they do it with everything.

They do it with some sleep apnea mouthpiece.

They do it with all kinds of shit, man.

They just, this, like, people, different rappers will have me saying that they're the best rapper ever.

And they put it up on TikTok to try to get some clout.

It's wild, man.

We're in a wild time.

But again, it's, we're experiencing great change.

And it's not, it doesn't go easy.

And that's why there's so much chaos.

But you can't lose your humanity in all this, folks.

This is, this is the trap.

And this is the trap that's being accentuated by social media.

This tribal trap of thinking that

the other side is evil.

And to combat them, you have to be evil.

And you have to be super mean and shitty because it's justified because those people are fascists or those people are Nazis.

That's a trap.

It's all a trap.

I can tell you 100% industry.

I witnessed it when I testified at the federal and the state level.

Industry is attempting to separate and divide us to turn things into issues that aren't anywhere related.

This is about racism.

This is about sexism.

It's all a ploy to divide and conquer.

Because if we're fighting each other, we're not united and we can't fight industry.

But the real evil empire is all these people pulling the strings and ramrodting agendas that are killing millions of Americans every year.

Yes.

And they're doing it for profit.

And that is probably in the Bible.

That's probably demonic.

It's pro-I I mean, that the idea of what demonic

thoughts are.

What are evil thoughts?

I think there's this constant battle because that's the only way you get better.

That's what I think.

I think on a macro level, like when we just thinking about life, right?

How do you get strong?

You get strong by working out.

So you have to push yourself so you're weak.

Like you can't do another push-up.

And that's how you get strong at doing push-ups.

It's the only way.

The only way to get really good is to combat evil.

You don't just get good.

Like there's no reason to be good.

Like it doesn't matter.

Like everybody's good.

Everybody's fine.

Life is boring as fuck.

You have to have some evil.

And you have evil so that you realize that good is so much better.

It's a so much better choice.

But the choice is not just

on a societal level.

The choice is

you on an individual.

And there's moments in your life where you can decide whether you're going to be evil or you're going to be good.

Or maybe you decide like, hey, what I did, I don't like.

I feel evil.

I feel like I shouldn't have done that.

And then you have to realize, like, that's a part of growth.

It's a battle.

And this battle is what we're experiencing right now.

But my fear is that there's a lot of us that are

unaware of

the actual full impact of all of these other factors that aren't really people.

These bots and corporations and propaganda and how they're ga.

Like that fat guy arguing with you on that video.

Yeah.

That's a gaslighting motherfucker.

Yeah.

Like, I don't listen to you if you look like that if you're telling me about health.

Yeah.

Period.

Like, get someone who looks like Huberman.

Yeah.

Get someone who looks like he can fight in the UFC tomorrow.

Right.

That, I'll listen to that guy because he's.

Yeah, it's like you don't eat hell from a skinny chef.

Like, you know, the things people say, it's like, if you have an obese doctor who's not taking care of themselves, it's not an attack on obesity.

It's hard for me to trust your decision-making.

Hold on, though.

Philip Franklin Lee's thin.

He's one of the best fucking chefs alive.

Yeah, that's true.

Philip broke the mold.

He broke that mold.

But he had to get thin.

He got to get help.

We helped him.

I know you did.

We helped him lose his shit right away.

I think he's lost 20 pounds.

But then also, we uncovered a bunch of toxins in his system.

He posted about it the other day.

And he's like, this is from when I started to now.

And you can see it in his blood work.

All of these different contaminants are now at like physiological normal levels where they were at spiked levels before.

Like microplastics was one of them.

Yeah, microplastics are a big one.

And the problem is it goes into your brain.

Do you know most people have like a plastic fork, like a fucking picnic fork?

Yeah.

Sized amount of brain.

35% of our brain by weight is microplastics now.

That's insane.

We're like, what's causing depression?

Oh, I don't know.

It could be this or this or this or this.

So this goes back to what I was saying is going to happen happen to us.

If I was, I mean, obviously, I got to say it, but I've already said it, but I just got to say it so you know I'm not Peter Thiel.

I love us.

I love humans.

I love Peter Thiel.

He's a nice guy.

My interactions with him.

Yeah.

I mean, I don't know if he's evil.

I don't think he is.

I think all of these factors that are destroying our endocrine system, making us less sexual, all these confusions,

society and culture and chaos and war, all of it is leading us to this leap that the only way to escape all this awful stuff that's on this side is to transcend.

And you transcend by integrating with whatever the fuck we're creating right now.

This Manhattan project that's going on right now between Open AI and Grok.

And then they're fucking sabotaging each other and stealing data.

Do you hear about that guy that left Grok and he downloaded the entire Grok database and then fucking sold it to ChatGPT?

No.

Find that.

So, yeah.

Wait, can we pause for a second?

You got a P?

Yeah.

I've been holding.

I've been chugging water.

Okay, go ahead.

Go ahead, P and come back.

All right.

We'll find that.

The sweet relief of P.

But so that's what I think is happening to us.

I think we're becoming some new thing.

And I think it's going to happen way quicker than we'd like it to be.

While no engineer sold Grok to Open AI, Elon Musk AI sued a former engineer, try saying that name, for allegedly stealing Grok's secrets before leaving XAI to join OpenAI.

So Elon tweeted that he downloaded, XAI accuses Lee of downloading a large amount of confidential information and the full code base for Grok shortly before and after his resignation.

Internal investigations revealed that Lee allegedly uploaded the stolen code database to OpenAI servers.

So

they're doing that.

And then also, I think OpenAI had a situation when they believe that Chinese,

some Chinese scientists had access to their data.

Like something happened where there was some sort of a breach of security, and they're pretty sure that China got access to all the stuff that they're doing.

So see if you can find that story.

Because I just butchered that.

Both of the AI stuff.

They're, of course, doing that.

Of course, they're doing that.

Why would they not do that?

If they've done that with everything else, why would they not do that?

Open AI takes down chat GPT accounts linked to state-backed hacking and disinformation.

State-backed threat actors from a handful of countries are now using ChatGPT for illicit purposes ranging from malware refinement to employment scams and social media disinformation campaigns.

Open AI said this week, Jesus Christ.

Of course.

Of course they're using ChatGPT to scam people.

Of course.

I just look at all the ways it's going to impact society from jobs and everything we're going to live in the craziest of times go back to the look at it stirring the social media pot open ai said it banned dozens of accounts it saw using chat gpt to bulk generate social media posts consistent with the activity of a current a covert influence campaign or operation Many of the China-based accounts issued prompts in Chinese and sought responses in English on a variety of topics, including the shutdown of USAID, U.S.

various sides of divisive topics within U.S.

political discourse, backlash towards Taiwan, Pakistani activist, I don't know how to say that name, who has publicly criticized China's investments in

Balochistan.

Would you even,

if you've ever thought that was a real country?

That seems like

that sounds like something that the Game of Thrones guy would write down.

The account sought to create social media comments in English, Chinese, and Urdu that were found being posted on TikTok, X, Reddit, Facebook, and other social media platforms.

Yeah, this is the point.

Like this, we know that this has been going on, right?

We know that China has AI, Russia has AI, we have competing, there's Meta AI, there's Google Gemini, there's Grok, which is X AI, there's ChatGPT, which is OpenAI.

There's a ton of them.

There's perplexity.

There's a whole bunch of of different AIs that are constantly right now in competition to see who creates God.

Well, and so what you were saying earlier about the evolution of humanity and the direction we're headed, AI and that component, and there's that technological component, but there's also all the shit we're unlocking with CRISPR.

Yes.

And the direction we're headed.

And we can now edit your genes.

And I could edit your genes with CRISPR to change.

So essentially, we would take a male sperm, a female egg, we create that a clone and we literally replicate that clone multiple times down the chain and we can now edit in roughly 20 points of IQ so through CRISPR you can edit somebody's intelligence by 20 IQ points that's the difference between Arnold Schwarzenegger and Albert Einstein now what if you do that three four five generations down you're being so kind to Arnold Schwarzenegger you would be able to create super humans yeah I don't know but that's what it that's what it said in uh what is it uh the gene editing I don't remember which gene editing.

Is Arnold a genius?

No, no.

The difference, the big 12, though, is just 20 IQ points to be Albert Einstein.

Right, but what's Albert at?

I don't even know.

This is in

Hacking Darwin.

The book Hacking Darwin explains all this and the direction we're headed and how you would be able to essentially, and China's already doing this.

100%.

They're already doing this.

The guy went to jail.

He's like, whoops, I didn't mean to do that.

And they're

inoculating the kids from super intelligent humans.

They were saying they were inoculating them from HIV.

Like, who's getting HIV?

Shut the fuck up, bitch.

Yeah.

And they just accidentally got smarter.

Yeah.

And so then the problem becomes: go back to like ADHD in schools and stuff in the 80s.

When everyone starts creating, you know,

little

superhumans, and everyone's going to look back almost back to Demolition Man, what we were talking about.

You don't, you create a baby in a test tube because you can edit out all the gene defects and all the issues in your genetics and optimize that child's success at living a healthy, happy life

and minimizing chronic disease.

But if we just add a little spice here, we can make them twice as smart.

Of course.

And then everyone's going to do that.

Of course.

And then...

And if you don't, China does.

Russia does.

So then where does America have to do?

We have to counter punch.

The thing is, they're probably already doing it.

And the thing, like, China is so advanced with so many different technologies right now that most people are just not aware.

They're not aware.

And someone was describing that

about how,

God, I wish I remembered the podcast it was on, but this guy was talking about how essentially what goes on in China is: say if they want to get into solar panels, if like they start producing solar panels, the government will get involved and say, we want you guys to make the most awesome solar panels.

And then they have this shark tank of people competing to see who develops the best solar panel company.

And only the best ones are going to survive.

And it's all funded by the government.

It's It's a smart idea.

It's a very smart idea.

And through that, they've developed the best drones, definitely the best electric cars.

Out of nowhere, China has the best electric cars.

Like by a mile, like by a country mile, dude.

There's nothing even America, even if you have like one of those.

But we got the best American muscle cars.

We definitely do.

But that's a different thing, right?

But when it comes to technological innovation, they're way ahead of us.

So if they're ahead of us with that, if they run the same game on AI while we're all battling it out with each other and stealing each other's data, they're probably running that same game over there.

And if they really did steal all the Chat GPT database,

did China have access to ChatGPT to

OpenAI's database?

Was it speculated that there was some sort of a breach?

When I typed in breach and with those words, that's what came up is what I showed you.

So something else, a different story would be a different story.

I was reading too that China's beating us in the arms race of energy infrastructure to be able to actually implement this level of AI.

Not only that, they're running around on AI talking about the problem of climate change and we need to do this, we need to do that.

While they're making fucking shitloads of coal factories in China,

it's like they're playing this multi-level game and they're using all of our cultural hotspots, all the things that we like to argue about, gay marriage and this and that and prayer in schools.

And you think it's organic.

You think people are really fighting in the street for all these things, but it's not.

It's other countries want us doing this, including our own country.

Yeah.

One of the wild things that

Representative Luna said when she was here, one of the wild things, she said, there's a lot of problems they don't want to solve so that they could fundraise against them.

Wow.

And I was like, that is so dark, and I believe it.

I never thought about it that way, but I believe it.

It makes sense.

I think marijuana legalization is one of those.

I think it's one of those.

I think

there's a few of those things out there that,

you know,

it's dark, but I think it's true.

I think they don't want solutions.

They want to keep their job.

The biggest thing that I think about is I see just in my sector of healthcare and compounding

how much

AI is going to impact workplace and infrastructure and just reality.

Like at our pharmacy, you know, we have almost 300 people and we were looking at this software.

I needed to expand and hire more people.

I needed 200 people.

We can't hire fast enough.

And I'm looking at this and we're going, if we implement this AI, we can reallocate 200 people and not have to go hire 200 people.

And then we just get to promote the people who are already with us.

But at what point does the AI just get to a point where it's doing all of our jobs?

Like all of our jobs.

And it will.

Even in his own blog,

he's talking about eight years ago how we don't understand that this is going to replace almost all jobs in America, everywhere in the world.

Who's that dude?

Is Diary of a CEO host?

Do you know that?

Oh, yeah, I know who you're talking about.

I don't know his name.

What is his name, James?

The British guy?

Yeah.

Graham Bensinger, maybe?

No, no, no.

I heard of a CDO.

And candidly, it does it better.

Stephen Bartlett?

Stephen Bartlett.

So he was having a conversation with someone where he was saying that one of his friends, he knows someone who's like an AI guy, and privately,

he talks very different than he does publicly.

Publicly, he's talking about, oh, it's going to be amazing.

But in private, he's like, this is going to be crazy, and no one's ready for it.

And that's what I think.

I agree.

And then the humanoid robots.

Are you watching all that?

Yes.

Because they're evolving quick.

That's going to be interesting, but I think that's a side project.

That's like

a distraction.

The real thing is going to be non-physical.

The real thing is going to be this bizarre connection that we have to this ultimate intelligence and it's going to be pumped straight into your dome.

You're not going to want to fuck that robot

when you're literally plugged into the matrix.

like the physical like sex robot that everybody dreams of there's going to be a few losers like live in the hills and you know wear overalls and fucking kill squirrels all day and then they have this sex robot they come home and fuck maybe i think most people are going to integrate and it's going to be just like cell phones like most people you know i know a lot of people like i don't even carry your cell phone i fucking think you're saying that and you have one of the most interesting, colorful lives.

Imagine the person who's just fucking grinding and showing up to their job every day that they hate and

they can escape.

Like they already are escaping in these virtual worlds.

Like even kids, like it's different with kids.

I've watched younger kids now they hang out with their friends and like online.

Like they don't go like have to ride over.

Like we rode bikes over to our friends' houses and stuff.

They would all hang out and play whatever that Roblox or whatever it is with their friends

in chat rooms.

Hey, I used to do that.

I used to get online and play my friends on Quake.

They were friends I was only friends with online.

Yeah.

Well, it's fun.

You know, and when right now, you know, you're dealing with just looking at a screen.

When you're actually in the game, then things are going to get real weird.

Things are going to get so fucking strange.

Because already these

meta glasses, those fucking things that you put on, what are the Oculus system?

What is it called, Jamie?

What is Meta call it?

Which one?

What their

latest and greatest greatest virtual reality?

The virtual reality headset.

Sorry.

Yeah, MetaQuest.

MetaQuest.

Dude, pretty fucking incredible.

Pretty fun.

Pretty exciting.

And once they figure out haptic feedback, like legitimate haptic feedback, especially if there's some sort of an interface, if it doesn't have to be even installed, if it's something that just clamps to your forehead and gets a reading on your brain the same way, like when you look at your phone, it opens up because you do that stupid thing, the face ID, where you program the image of your phone on an iPhone.

Is it just recognizes you?

Oh, hello, Brigham.

Like, it knows your brain signals, and it's like, close your eyes and count back from 10, 9, 8.

And then you see the whole consciousness sink down.

And now all of a sudden, you're in a warehouse.

Choose your armor.

Like, fuck yeah.

And you put an armor on.

It's black mirror.

We're going to be living in this moment.

I'll explain to you what the weapons do and what zombies are the most dangerous.

You're like, okay,

okay.

And then they just fucking open up.

I'm not going to lie, it does sound fun as long as we don't all, you know,

it's going to be very fun, but there's always going to be some cunt that's controlling the entire system.

And this is why you have to have everything that

it's got to be decentralized.

Everything has got to be like a blockchain.

It's got to be like Bitcoin.

It has to be like that.

It can't be, there's a group.

Once it gets to this

insanely potent computing power power where it's a life form.

You can't have anybody in the world.

Think how addictive people are.

Think of the addiction and the dopamine response to social media.

Yeah.

And multiply that times impunity.

Yeah.

I mean you're we're fucked.

You're fucked because regular life, like if you're a fucking, if you're working at a deli, you know, you're just making tuna fish sandwiches and hanging out with the boys and, you know.

Hanging with the boys.

And you get out of there and you're a knight.

You're a knight.

And

you're battling with demons and you're fucking riding a horse in Game of Thrones.

Like, really?

Like, that's totally possible.

Yeah.

It's not even that far away because what you can see visually right now when they do these video games that are available today, the Unreal Engine is so good, dude.

It's so good that all we'd have to do is be virtual and then figure out how to emulate movement and how to get you to feel like you're moving.

And that's probably just manipulating some part of your brain that it scans out.

It probably figures out what, you know, maybe you have to shave your hand.

You know, all this stuff because even Elon, on here, he was talking about how we can help you see in infrared.

Yeah.

Like through this technology, we can create the impulse signals or whatever in the brain that allow you to see in infrared.

Did you see those night vision contact lenses they've created?

No.

Bro.

They've created night vision contact lenses.

Yeah.

See if you can find that.

I've probably looked before, but I'm trying to get a lot of stuff.

Fuck in bananas.

That's crazy.

Contacts.

Put them in, and now you're a wolf.

But then the same thing we're talking about with CRISPR and gene editing.

Right.

It's going to be the same thing when everyone has an implant and I can download jiu-jitsu in my brain.

You're at a disadvantage if you don't have the implant.

Well, not only that.

How can you compete?

You can't.

You're going to have to join.

These contact lenses give people infrared vision even with their eyes shut.

With their fucking eyes shut.

That's nuts.

New way of seeing infrared light without the need for chunky night vision goggles.

Researchers have made the first contact lenses to convey infrared vision.

And the devices work even when people have their eyes closed.

Holy fuck, dude.

Now imagine when that's if you're blind and they say, Brigham,

we can actually give you eyesight, but you're going to have like super eyesight.

Yeah.

Like your eyesight will be way better.

So people are eventually going to get their eyeballs plucked out and like

I'm tired of wearing readers.

I'm going to go in and get the new eyeballs.

And you're going to put on these Monsanto-devived eyeballs.

These fucking bricks like that.

I mean, they even said you would be able to have eagle eye mode, and he was breaking all that down where you could see at a high resolution at a distance.

Yeah.

Geothermal.

I don't think you could stop it.

And this is the thing about people.

Oh, God, you're so cynical.

I'm not.

I'm not.

I love people.

I love people and i love life yeah i think this is happening whether we like it or not and i don't necessarily know that it's a bad thing i think i don't know if that's true but james cameron is that a fake tweet

i reposted it because i was messed but it was james cameron said i warned you guys 30 years ago and i reposted that

it it was all over media so i'm like i don't know if it's real or not but it's funny he's a clever guy he probably did post that he's right so was the you know the really fucking scary thing you know who's right the fucking Unabomber was right.

That was the Unabomber's whole manifesto.

It was a technology is going to kill the human race.

He said it, but just not in a tweet.

I warned you guys in 1984.

He didn't listen.

Sure, look, I mean, you've got.

Yeah.

That's nuts.

That's even better.

Have you seen the new alien on Hulu?

I haven't watched it.

I like it.

I'm on episode two.

But think about that too.

You have a physical avatar, right?

You're terminally ill.

What if we can take your consciousness and put it into a body?

Or there's not even a, there's like a, I don't know, a humanoid biologic thing yeah which is what and it has to be full grown even when you're a child yeah because it doesn't grow it's weird i like the angle they took i thought it was really good and it brings the aliens back to my favorite kind of aliens which you don't see a lot of them but they're scary as and they're really clever the problem with james cameron's version of aliens is now all of a sudden they're easy to shoot and everyone's just gunning them down you're killing tons of them the first alien was hiding all the time like you didn't see until it wanted to be seen yeah then you go into the den and she's literally just planting eggs and everyone.

She's a dumbass.

Yeah.

Yeah.

The first one was like creepier.

Yeah.

It was it was

it was a hunting alien.

It was like going after people and hunting them.

And the other one's Prometheus.

That plays into everything we're talking about.

People hated Prometheus, a lot of people, but I liked it.

I liked it.

When he literally asks...

his creator, the guy who invented the humanoid robot, and he asked him, what makes you more important than me?

me and he said because you will die you will wither away you will do all these things but i will be here and i won't lose my consciousness i won't lose my all this stuff he's like he's gaining

uh like consciousness in the moment and he's asking and that's the shit where it's like oh yeah like we keep making things smarter and smarter and smarter what is consciousness we don't even know what it is yeah well that's the interesting about thing about these movies like the alien movies in particular especially the television show because the television show different than the movies,

adopted a 1970s framework for technology in 2120.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, it's like the shitty little green screens.

Everything's shitty.

The screens are shitty.

The televisions, they're like regular old school TVs that you have to slap to get to work.

It's weird.

So they have like this weird, and then there's the robot thing.

You know, the robot guy who's in every one of them, like the

synthetic robot.

Yeah.

Why not just send all synthetic robots?

Why do you have any people on this fucking thing?

You've got synthetic robots that don't die, and you have aliens out there.

But then you go back to like what a lot of the UAP whistleblowers are saying that, because I've gotten to meet a lot of these guys too, and they start saying that grays are synthetic biologics that are almost like hive-mind avatars.

And again, I'm not saying I believe it.

I'm just saying it's interesting.

And like a lot of the stuff that's been in folklore forever now starts to make more and more like theoretical framework sense for why and how you would navigate some new environment.

Especially why you'd leave bodies and not give a shit.

Yeah.

If there's any truth to any of it.

But that's the problem.

We're both saying if, because neither one of us have seen an alien.

No.

Unfortunately.

But I've talked to enough really smart people that you start going, man.

And I know

I've tried to get Jamie to chime in.

He's always...

Jamie goes back and forth with it just like I do.

We have conversations about it all the time.

Don't you go, but where are you at right now?

Oh,

I don't know.

This week, it's probably mostly bullshit, but

I'm not tracking it this week, really, to be honest with you.

But we both go back.

You would agree with that?

We both go back.

Yeah, yeah.

I go back and forth, but it's mainly if I really self-diagnose, it's ego.

I get frustrated and I go, it's all bullshit if it was real.

But there is a lot of kinks in the armor.

And if just statistically, I'm not saying that little green men are visiting, but there's statistically like a high probability that there's intelligent life out there.

And then statistically, did that life have a head start?

And did it reach intelligent life?

Right.

And did it escape whatever the problems are with natural disasters that we experience?

Because one of the things, if there is a reset in our society, it's usually because of an asteroid impact or a supervolcano blows off or a tsunami wipes out out a city.

The society has to have developed technological capabilities that help negate all those things.

And so wouldn't a society like that be able to live in the ocean?

And if that's the case, maybe that's what's going on.

Because it seems like there's a lot of activity that takes place in a place where we've only explored 5%.

And that's the oceans.

And there's so many sightings of these transmedium transmedium crafts, including video of things going into the water with no splash.

And especially

videos that were generated at a time where they didn't have the sophisticated CGI that they have today.

So, you know, if I saw that today, I'd be like, well, if that's from 2025, who fucking knows who made that?

That you could have made that on Chat GPT.

And that's where I'm going.

You talked to, I know you've interviewed Commander Fraver.

I had the opportunity to meet and talk to him in private in a group of people.

And his,

I mean, the guy knows his shit.

He knows the the black ops.

He knows everything.

And this is 20 something years ago.

2004.

And his thing is there is no way in hell.

I mean, it would have been moving at 35,000 miles per hour and been transmedium.

Right.

Literally 20 years ago.

And the idea that someone's inside of that is ridiculous.

Like, you would be jello.

Yeah.

If it's a traditional propulsion system, which, by the way, didn't disc.

it didn't have any signatures of a traditional propulsion system.

There's no like heat blasting.

And the craziest craziest thing he said though, which I didn't fully understand on the podcast, is when he kept saying it knew our set point, it knew our set point or whatever,

that's not programmed in anywhere.

No.

That's just in the pilot's head.

Yeah.

So how did it know the set point?

Did you hear what Gary Nolan said about it?

No, I haven't listened to that one.

I'm going to listen to it, though.

He said that the amount of force that it would take, so this thing is, let's just say this thing weighs two tons, which is like a car.

You know, like a a lot of cars are like 4,000 pounds.

So this thing weighs two tons, and it went from

sea level to 50,000 feet above sea level in less than a second.

So whether or not that's even physically possible, the amount of energy that it would take to generate to move 4,000 pounds that quickly would be

more than the total energy generated by the United States in a year.

It's nuts.

And it has to to do it instantaneously but that's when you start seeing all these things and then you layer in the jesse stuff and all the shit all the work jesse's done and his deep dives into history and foyer documents and disclosures and you just start going yeah what the hell yeah you go what the hell but i i it's fun and that's how i treat it i treat it like it's fun because i really don't know i love the tridacto mummies i'm fascinated by it and i think jesse's i i think he deserves you know if they were if journalism was really what it could have been today if they had just sort of accepted independent journalism and and celebrated it instead of saying like only corporate sponsored, mainstream, gigantic journalism is real journalism, which is obviously the opposite of what's true, Jesse would get an award.

If if if if the the world was just, he would get an award.

He would get an award for that particular show that he did on those tridactyl mummies, because that is crazy.

When he did when they did those scans and you see the ligament and guys like Gary, who is a legitimate scientist, like published at Stanford,

who's looking at that thing and saying, this doesn't make any sense.

Like, this looks like a real creature.

Everything is in place.

We don't know what it is.

Is that a genetic anomaly?

Like, we have to study that.

This is a crazy opportunity to study.

And these folks just have it in Peru.

Just have a few of them laying around in the fetal position.

These fucking aliens with three toes and three fingers.

And it seems to be a real body.

And Jesse stuck his neck out and went down to Peru and filmed these things.

And they did these medical scans on them so you could see what the actual, what's underneath all that, you know, white tissue looking stuff.

Is this just sticks?

Yeah, you look at it, and it seems too convenient and too crazy.

But then when you watch him systematically break down, and all these thought leaders, and all these experts, and all these different people give in their lens, and then you see these MRIs, and you're like, you didn't make those hands.

No.

Like, these would have been.

Not only that, 1,700 years ago you didn't make it.

That's the weird thing.

And how about the one of them that has a fetus inside of it?

And then the name of the region?

Yeah.

What did he say?

The name of that.

He says it in the documentary, but the name of the region is like,

I don't even know, insemination and something, something.

Or I'm like, what?

Dude, those are probably aliens.

And that's probably a form of human.

That's probably what we're going to find out.

If they do a DNA, if someone lets them do DNA tests on those things and there's DNA to extract and they run a sequence on it, I bet we find out that we are like them.

Yeah.

I bet they're the overlord.

That's interesting.

The weird thing about the Peru stuff is not just the mummies.

It's the ancient architecture.

It's Machu Picchu.

It's all these like really unexplained, enormous stones that were placed in incredible ways where everything is like tongue and groove, like where it would respond well to earthquakes, like a technology to avoid earthquakes with massive monolithic stones.

When you're looking at them, you're like, how did you move this?

Like, who did this?

Why did you have all these art projects where you could only see them from the sky?

Yeah.

Like, what is

the Nazca lines?

What is that?

Yeah.

And why do you have ancient artwork of these three-fingered, three-toed creatures?

Well, you have artwork from a thousand years years ago of these things.

Like, it seems like they were a real thing living in that area.

And they were probably flying around.

And they were probably building Pumapumku and Machu Picchu.

It probably were us.

It's probably a version of us.

Like, if Neanderthal was alive, and then it wasn't, and then we're like, well, we didn't even...

know that Neanderthal was a thing until we discovered, oh, it looks like it interbred with us.

Oh, it was a part of us.

So now we know that there's a a Neanderthal, but 500 years ago, no one had any idea.

No one had any idea that there was like an ancient man that was

bigger than us, stronger than us.

I think that's that down too.

I think, isn't it like 70%

of the bipedal species that we've uncovered,

like

that are our relatives, have all been discovered in the last like 60 years?

Yeah.

And a bunch of them have been discovered in the last decade.

Yeah.

You know, just like

the last few years.

Just recently we were talking about that Homo the Juliens, this enormous man that they found with a huge head.

They don't know how big these fucking things were.

They might have been seven foot tall, supermen.

And then there's depictions of them covered in hair, looking fucking jacked.

They're trying to figure out what these things actually look like.

Why is it so crazy to think there might have been a version of us that looked like that?

Why isn't it so crazy if we are so soft and so doughy in comparison to gorillas?

Because we're so intelligent.

We have a special implants, too.

Right.

we're so intelligent and we're so advanced in comparison to them.

Well, if that thing is more advanced and more intelligent than us, it's going to be just like what you compare us to gorillas.

It's going to be like that to us.

It's going to be comparable.

It's going to be frail.

And that's what they look like.

Just frail super nerds with giant heads and fucking medical implants.

What's that thing in that thing's neck?

Like, what is that?

It's going to get interesting, too.

I know that Corbell and Knapp are, they say they've got, I think, six witnesses, including, I thought, first-hand witnesses that are going to testify this time.

Whoa.

If it all happens.

The weird thing is the Vargina descriptions look exactly like those things.

Yeah.

Three toes, three fingers.

And everybody's like, that's nonsense.

The black one.

It was at the black.

Well, it's like a purple.

Yeah, it was like a purple

one that smelt, and then the guy died who touched it.

And there's all this documented stuff that occurred.

And they smell like sulfur.

Yeah.

Just like demons.

Yeah.

It's probably what they were trying to describe.

I mean, if you had some kind of mood I said multiple times, interdimensional, interdimensional, which is, I thought was interesting.

Yeah, but she didn't have an explanation.

Like, what do you mean?

How do you know that?

Why are you saying that so confidently?

Like, like.

You'd have to tell me, like, how does something traverse a dimension?

What's the theory?

Yeah.

And what does that mean?

Like, where is it?

Is it in a physical form somewhere else?

Like, another place?

And it comes here?

Like, what do you mean?

You know, because there's a dimension of sound.

There's a dimension of like three dimensions.

It's like, you know, space and time and all that.

We kind of have an understanding, a grasp of it.

So if there's a seventh dimension, eighth dimension, does it just take a bus and get here?

Like, what are you talking about?

Is it here and now it exists in this dimension and that dimension simultaneously?

Like, what is it?

What happens to its form over there when it comes to the music?

Crush was trying to explain it to me, but I'm too dumb.

I'm not smart enough.

I'm not even nearly smart enough.

You're a three-dimensional being in a three-dimensional world, and your shadow on the ground is a two-dimensional shadow of a three-dimensional being in a drink.

I'm a Donoson.

Three-dimensional world?

I'm like, what?

I'm a material girl.

I don't know what you're talking about.

Yeah, I don't know, man, but it's fun.

It is fun.

It's fun to talk about, and I'm glad there's guys like Jesse out there making awesome videos.

And about this one, I think it's one of the most important because it throws a giant monkey wrench into it's all nonsense.

Because as soon as you see the scans of that thing's body, everyone should, it should pause.

Everyone should put their newspaper down and and go what the fuck are we doing about this yeah like what are we doing about this that might be what everyone's been talking about that might be the thing that genetically engineered us that might be it

so crazy so crazy if we're bringing back dire wolves then bring back an alien yeah they're probably already here that's probably just one that we found you know they're probably here and they don't want to be seen anymore because we're assholes and then one day we won't be assholes all right brother dude let's wrap this up thank you for having me on three and a half hours.

This is the longest one we've done.

Yeah, but it's awesome.

I love you.

Appreciate you very much.

Appreciate what you're doing.

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Check it out.

And thank you for all you're doing to try to

give people a better understanding about how fucking incredibly corrupt this whole system really is.

Thank you for having me on and giving us a voice.

My pleasure, my brother.

Bye, everybody.