#2386 - The Red Clay Strays

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Well, I mean, we haven't done many podcasts, but we were on Theo's last year, and

it, you know, Theo's gets a lot of engagement, a lot of views.

Ours didn't do too well.

I think Burt Cast did all right.

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I know, I don't.

You gotta not pay attention.

Don't pay attention to numbers.

Don't pay attention to shit.

Don't read the comments.

That's where I messed up.

I got called a lesbian so many times.

Andrew was

a lesbian.

Mustache.

He looks like Matthew McCarthy.

Well, it might be the chain.

Maybe.

That looks very lesbian-esque.

Thank you.

My sister-in-law is.

Not a bad one.

It's not bad.

It's nothing wrong with being a lesbian.

No, nothing's wrong with being a lesbian.

I'm just a heterosexual male.

That's all.

With a wonderful mustache.

I went back to the comments comments last night.

Oh, don't.

And somebody was like, Andrew, come on, man.

Don't sit with your legs crossed.

That was just the latest one.

Why is it always me getting picked on?

Did you sit with your legs crossed in the typical liberal fashion?

I mean.

Like the Gavin Newsome style.

Yeah, you can't.

Just chilling.

You got a little bit of a gap there.

The thing is, if you get the real,

the deep scissor, the deep scissor is like signaling.

The trick is you got to scoop then.

Yeah.

You got to get your stuff out the way.

Yeah,

I don't know.

Doesn't seem comfortable.

I've been doing it for a long time.

So

you were telling me you're kind of burnt right now.

So you guys are fully on the road right now.

Oh, yeah.

I say that, and then

the next moment I'm walking around, I was like, dang, this is fun.

But usually about this time of the year where we have a couple more months left, it's like, man, we're almost done.

Good to be home for a while more than two days at a time.

How long have you guys been on the road for?

To this year, or just in general?

Well,

all told.

We started touring in Anders Acadia in 2018.

And has it been flat out since then?

Pretty much.

I mean, we'd usually little breaks.

Yeah, we'd break in December for Christmas.

But it's gotten better.

This year we started touring in July, which was good because we usually start

we would usually start in April or when did you when did you end?

We end in December.

Oh, okay.

That's not too bad.

No.

Well, this last year we started in March with Canada.

Yeah, Canada.

But that was like a month.

It didn't really count.

How long have you guys been together, all told?

So

Red Clay Strays got together in December 2016.

But before that,

Drew was the manager of a cover band, and Andrew was the bass player in the cover band.

What were you guys covering?

Everything.

The good stuff.

Yeah, just blues, just like really bad blues.

Yeah, we used to run people out.

In country.

And how did you guys all get together?

I met Drew

through a mutual friend.

We were working out in the gym together.

I was in high school.

And Drew,

this guy was like, hey, man, I got a buddy.

He's kind of down on his luck.

He's like squatting in my dorm, and I want to give him something to do.

I want to give him something to do.

Did you think I was down on that?

I was down on my luck, man.

Nobody ever does, man.

Nobody ever does.

I'm just repeating what I heard.

And yeah, so Drew had never done anything like that.

He had never booked or wasn't, he was trying to be a middle school teacher football coach.

That's what he was going to college for.

Why middle school?

High school, college.

That was the goal.

I know, but

realistically.

Never had any.

That's just where I was going to land.

10-4

never done anything in the business though and he just like I'm what did you say he's like I'm gonna I'm gonna do everything I can to help you make it and I was like 18 and he was like 22 23 and he had us play in in every single bar on the Gulf Coast and we didn't know anything about the business either so the the manager booking agent fee is you know 15% we didn't know about that so we cut him in evenly oh boy yeah and so he'd show up and drink beer at our shows, and he'd always be at our practices, and he was fully committed.

And so he got an even cut, and he ended up turning his life around.

And he was able to scoot around and buy burgers

and not be down on your luck anymore.

Hallelujah.

I think that's impressive.

Never done anything like that.

And you stepped up and became a legitimate booking agent and a legitimate manager.

Yeah, I mean, I just saw something I knew that was

incredible.

And I was like,

all right, well, what do I need to do to get this guy in front of people?

And I just,

I would sit in, like, I work for the equipment staff at South Alabama.

And I would sit in the equipment room between washing jock straps and, like, you know, setting up cone drills or whatever.

And just, like,

put post-it notes up on the wall and just write numbers down and just call all these people until like

somebody picked up or like, hey, like, what's the email for booking or whatever?

And I'd just book as much as I could.

So it was basically just learning on the job, trying to figure it out as you go.

Yeah.

No experience in it whatsoever.

No.

Wow.

That's a cool story.

Yeah.

And it was all just based on your talent.

No,

but it was what you saw, right?

It was.

Yeah, that night you met.

The night,

the night we met.

The night I met you.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, like the first time I heard you on a cell phone recording, I was like, eh.

He's okay.

And then I heard him in person, and I was like, oh my God, all right.

Okay, what needs to happen here?

And yeah, I had no idea.

I was just fully winging it, you know?

Wow.

Those are the best stories, though.

Yeah.

You know, the best stories are not started in some fucking boardroom somewhere where a bunch of guys sit down with headshots and demos and try to put people together.

The best stories happen just kind of like, what?

What were you doing?

Posted notes.

You just called people?

Like, those are the best stories.

We didn't even know how to set up music equipment.

Like, we would have our mains set up behind us, and so the microphones would be feeding back into the mains.

We didn't know what we were doing.

We just knew we wanted to play music.

So we'd show up to these bars and most of the time run people out and clear the room out because we didn't know how to play music that well either.

Guitar amps turned up and we would show up and just ruin people's evening and clear out a bar.

They're trying to watch a football game, and we show up playing Almond Brothers, and just our guitar players just always crank their amps.

We did have an old-man drummer, though.

That was the only thing about that band before Red Clay Strays.

So that was, you didn't have to worry about the drums being too loud, I guess, because he was just doing his thing.

He ended up quitting

when we started traveling more.

That's when we started holding auditions.

And we were going to audition this one guy, and he flaked, he couldn't make the audition.

We rescheduled him, and he couldn't make the audition again.

And then we were like, How did we get in touch with John?

What when would we audition him?

There's a

Ethan, who was in Papa's Medicine Cabinet.

Yeah, I reached out to him.

I was like, Man, I know you play drums.

That was the best band in town at the time.

I was like, I know you play drums.

You probably know a good bit of drummers.

Like,

you know anybody who could use some work?

And

John was playing at a band called Ryan Dyer Band back home.

And

he said,

John just,

they just separated from that band.

So John's available.

You should get him for a tryout.

And

I was like, hey, dude, you want to come play with us or whatever?

And he showed up, Blair and Skinner,

with him and his brother and like an SUV or something.

Yeah.

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like this is gonna work we had the auditions in uh sichenel alabama which is like up in the sticks and he didn't have a phone um so he was like meet me at the hardys at like you know 630 or whatever time it was because he did we couldn't call him once he left his house.

And so Andrew left, you were driving the firebird at the time.

You left him in the firebird and met him and brought him back, and we auditioned him then.

And the audition went great.

He showed up with his brother who played piano.

And his brother wasn't trying to join the band, but his brother just played with us.

And

just the first song we played, we tried them out with an original that we were working on, which was a terrible song also.

But

andrew and john locked in immediately and just they hit the all the pauses together and i just remember still being blown away by that just how quickly y'all locked in and um and it still shows today on stage their their chemistry they're just they've got some kind of telekinetic thing going on i think because they the big thing was coming from that old man drummer

and then

That's the first time I've ever played with like a real drummer besides my own dad.

His name was Ray.

And me and John, I mean, we can, it's really weird how when we first started, like we can, we know a lot when we played in those bars, it was improvised.

You know, we're playing covers, we're not even playing them the right way, and we can hit those pauses without even looking at each other.

Like, we just know what each other's going to do.

So as a bass player, your drummer is your best friend.

Even though me and John probably butt heads more than anybody in the band, but that's the relationship.

That is a big part of the problem with a band, is that you guys just get on each other's nerves, right?

I mean, just like any other, I mean, we're just like brothers.

Well, it's a group of guys and you're traveling all year round.

You'll get pissed off at each other for sure.

If a band says they're not, they don't get pissed off, they're lying.

Or they just don't like each other for real.

But you just, we just, something we actually learned as men

was how to talk about your feelings with each other too.

Because in the early stages, it was, you know, I had anger issues.

I'd just get pissed off real quick.

Was it about the mustache?

No, I didn't have the mustache yet.

Maybe that's what it was.

I was immature.

I was in.

You had long hair.

Yeah.

These guys had to learn how to communicate and set boundaries.

I had to talk about my feelings growing up as a kid.

Supposedly, that's not healthy.

No, that's not good.

But John, you know, he would show up hammered to the bus, and

I just had to learn to just bite my tongue.

Like, you're not going to change somebody's mind.

Just let them go and talk about it tomorrow.

But we all had things we worked on together.

Stuff like that.

Well,

the final product's amazing.

And the new album is really fucking good.

It's coming out in June of next year.

Is that when it's supposed to come out?

We're shooting for summer of next year.

We don't really know yet.

The press thing that I got said June of next year.

I'm like, this should go out now.

You're probably the only one that's supposed to know that.

Oh, really?

Well, everybody knows now.

But, I mean, we're still working on mixes.

Hopefully, June is going to be the ticket.

Well, it's really good.

And the final product, you guys are very unique.

You have a very unique sound, and it's very fun.

So it's, you know, I know it's got to be a lot of work.

Whenever I do shows and I show up at a place, and, you know, like if I do an arena, it's just me and my friends.

We just have to roll in there.

And hi.

Yeah.

And I see you guys, you got fucking trucks and this and that.

And there's so many fucking people involved.

And it's.

Oh, yeah.

It's a lot.

There's a lot of moving pieces to keep together.

So for you guys guys to consistently do it and to bang out amazing music over and over and over again, it says something.

Yeah, man.

And we just had to grow together.

I mean, even at that rehearsal, we were like, we got one more rehearsal.

We got one more tryout with the guy who flaked out on us.

And

John was like, who is it?

And I was like, Travis Patch.

And he was like, oh, you're going to hire Travis Patch.

But I think Travis Patch, he couldn't make the next tryout two or something.

And then that band played for a couple more months and broke up.

And then we hired Zach and just

tried out Zach immediately.

He just came in shredding and

he was always a great guitar player.

And then that's when we became Red Clay Strays.

Who came up with the name?

My brother.

Oh, really?

Yeah, it's not an interesting story at all.

We get asked all the time.

No, we were just in that first stage of like coming up with a band name is the hardest thing in the world.

And we had nothing really that we liked.

We had

the dirt leg trio, Brandon Lane and the Hurricane.

Yeah,

that's my middle name, Brandon Lane.

And then he shot that over.

Yeah.

And I didn't like Red Clay Strays.

I don't think any of us did.

Brandon Lane and the Hurricane sounds good, too.

Yeah.

We're only voted on that.

Yeah.

Drew came up with that one.

I like that.

But Red Clay Strays is great, too.

Yeah.

That's good.

You have two great ones to choose from.

If I need to start another band, I have it in the chamber.

Wow.

Talking about that all the time.

I'm just kidding.

God, hopefully not.

It seems like once you got it all together and it's working, like, don't fuck that up.

Yeah, man.

I don't understand why bands break up.

I don't get it.

I don't know how they can stay together.

Really?

Yeah, I just can't imagine.

I've had so many.

Why do you say that?

Well, because of the internal conflicts, because of the traveling, because of the stress.

You know, it just seems like it's very difficult it's very difficult to manage all these different personalities and to keep everything rolling and keep all the people happy and make sure that everybody feels appreciated and everybody feels like they're doing their part yeah i think you got to have your your mindset correct man um

and uh for us it's a god thing

if you are just chasing worldly things i guess and worried about me and how i'm getting done wrong or how you know he's getting on my nerves and that's what dictates your decisions.

I can see you're going to walk away from that because people suck and people are always going to fail you at the end of the day.

But when you turn it into a,

I'm not doing this for me, I'm doing this to fulfill my calling that God's giving me,

and then it becomes a selfless thing.

He who is greatest among you, let him be your servant is.

what just always pops in my head.

So it's like, if I want to make this thing work, how can I serve these guys?

When we'd have to to share a hotel room, we would all five of us be like, I'll sleep on the floor.

No, you're good.

You take the bed.

I'll sleep on the floor.

We'd have to fight over who gets the floor.

You know what I mean?

And then once it becomes a selfless thing instead of a selfish thing, you're not, I don't know.

And when everybody shares that mindset, we're all worried about one another.

I don't really see how you could break up.

Well, that's very unusual.

And that sounds fantastic because that's kind of the opposite of most rock and roll bands.

Like most rock and roll bands, it is all about, you know, the lead singer singer or the lead guitarist and who's the most famous, who gets the most chicks, and who gets the most attention.

Yeah, we don't care about it.

So, where did that

mindset start with you?

How did you guys develop this mindset?

Is that how you grew up?

I grew up

that way.

Yeah, my mother used to read us the Bible as children and stuff, so we always grew up knowing about Jesus and everything.

And then,

so that's pretty much what led me to make the leap, I guess.

You know what I mean?

I never had parents that were pushing me to go to college or pushing me to do something.

They were just like, have a relationship with God.

That's really the only thing that I got pushed by my parents.

And so

I've always been blessed or cursed with kind of looking at all this as temporary.

You know,

what's the point in it kind of thing?

You can't take any of it with you.

And there's nothing new under the sun.

It's all chasing wind.

What's the point in all this?

And so that really getting into, well,

a creator created you.

He created all of this, and he put you here for a reason.

Well, if that's the case, what's the reason?

Okay, if this is the reason, then

here I go, God.

I'm going to do it.

I'm going to make the leap.

And

I don't know how it's going to work out, but I'm just going to trust you, work hard and trust you.

And that's really all we've done.

There's no plan to it.

We get asked quite often, how do you make it?

And

I

just work hard and trust God.

That's the only thing that I can ever think to answer with because

the shows we've played and the doors we've walked through led to new opportunities

many days, many months, many years down the road that we could have never planned.

And we've just been just and then you can look back and acknowledge

the stepping stones that he was placing the whole time.

And even if it doesn't make sense in the moment, you know, just being able to go back and look at like, wow,

I see why that happened now.

I see why we went through that.

I see that's that's just crazy to

crazy to go back and look at.

That's very wise for a young person to think that way.

Like, how old do you, how old are you now?

29.

Yeah, you're very young.

And when you started, that's even younger.

Like, to be able to think that way at an early age, there's nothing new under the sun.

Like, what's my purpose?

My purpose is to serve.

My purpose is to do something with this gift that I've been given and to follow this path.

It's very unusual.

Cool.

I mean, it's great.

It's great.

It's a great example for people because it is a mindset, and that mindset will serve you so much better than the other mindset.

Yeah, man.

The other mindset of chasing things is how you lead to Elvis on pills.

Yeah.

You know, it was my favorite Elvis.

Yeah, dude.

That was the fun Elvis, though.

70s Elvis?

Karate?

Yeah.

I love the fake karate.

Big Elvis.

All the people who play along with it.

Would you have wanted to spar with Elvis?

No.

Come on.

I would have been nice to him.

Well, you had to lose.

Yeah, he would have made you.

You had to lose.

I want to see Elvis or Steven Seagal do some sparring.

Well, Steven Seagal is legit at Aikido.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, he was like the first American to run a dojo in Japan.

Dang.

Yeah, he was

a legit Aikido practitioner.

Now, the benefits and the practicality of Aikido are hotly debated.

It's not really a great great martial art as a stand-alone martial art.

It's really for samurais to fight against someone who has a sword.

So if you lose your sword in combat, you have to understand how to transfer the momentum of energy that someone's attacking you with a sword.

You have to be an expert at manipulating their attack and using it against them.

But as a stand-alone martial art, it's not very effective.

See, I thought he had some of those videos where he was like, he just touched somebody and they would fly across the room.

Not really.

He had videos where guys, it was demonstrations.

So guys would run at him with a very specific thing and he would flip them.

Yeah.

But

he could fuck you up, you know, if you didn't know what you were doing.

But the problem is, if you knew what you're doing, you'd fuck him up.

Yeah.

You know, but he's a big guy.

The thing about it is, it's just...

No one back then really knew what the best martial art was, so you chose one and you got really good at it.

You know, that's the thing.

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And now the Dagestanis are taking over.

Yeah, well, that's grappling.

It's been around forever.

Yeah, wrestling.

But what Elvis was doing was Kempo, Kempo Karate with Ed Parker.

And it's pretty clear that he took like some classes, you know, like he throws kicks in the air and stuff, but it wasn't very good.

He wasn't a black belt.

Did he have a black belt?

Yeah, he had like a seventh degree or some crazy shit.

He had the Elvis black belt.

Yes, sir.

See, I did

martial arts in middle school.

I did Shotokan Karate, and I loved it.

And part of me wants to get back into it, but there's the whole Elvis thing.

He'd never go to Lee.

Yeah, this is Elvis.

Yeah, dude.

But by the way, back then, nobody knew what was legit and what was not legit.

Like these thrusts.

Like they're pretending they could hit him and he doesn't feel it.

One of the, my feelings.

This is so crazy.

Like all this, this is just fucking nonsense.

This is going to be branded on Halloween.

This is fucking nonsense.

Hey, dude, he was on top of the world.

He was.

Not only was he on top of the world, he was the first guy on top of the world.

That's really the important point:

he went crazy for sure, but everybody goes crazy when you get that famous, and no one had ever been that famous before.

Yeah, there was no guidebook for him to follow.

There was no Michael Jackson before him.

There was no Prince.

There was no nobody.

So

it's just nobody can handle that kind of fame, especially in the 1970s.

Nobody can

blew up at 19, I think.

Yeah.

No way you're going to be normal.

Uh-uh.

Good luck.

And then you got an evil manager that's feeding you pills, and you're all fucked up, and you're stuck in Vegas, and he's gambling everything away.

That's going to be my manager.

Dang.

We pick on Cody.

You just met him back there.

It's like, you're just going to end up being Colonel, bro.

One day.

The snowman.

Nah, we hold each other accountable.

Well, that's good.

because at least now for famous people, there's a roadmap.

Yeah, and you can kind of see where the pitfalls are.

You can see, oh, that's Britney Spears Road.

Don't go down there.

You know what I mean?

Like, you can see all the things that people have said.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, you've seen all the different ways that you can ruin your life

and get caught up in the moment.

And then also...

The fact that you're very religious helps a lot because

you don't believe the hype.

You believe in higher power.

You believe in something that's bigger and greater than all of us.

If you believe in that, you will not get caught in this bizarre mindset that befalls many, many stars where they think they're superior to everyone else because they get treated that way.

That's the reinforcement they get.

Everywhere they go, people are cheering when they see them.

People want them to sign things and take selfies with them.

Everybody wants a hug and everybody wants to be your best friend.

And you really start to believe because of the information that you're getting.

The information you're getting is I'm better than everybody else, right?

And if you don't have a lot of personal insight, and if you're not very objective and introspective, you will buy into that and you'll start behaving and believing like that.

And then comes the pills.

Yeah, dude.

I think that's a good thing.

Back yourself back up.

I think that's where we benefit from like a solo act is that we have five five individuals that are going to check each other.

We always say the pack will correct.

Yes.

So if somebody acting out, you know, we might let you go for a couple days, but then you're going to wake up and we have a come to Jesus meeting.

You've done that.

All of us have had that at some point in our careers together.

That's great.

That's very good.

We always, too,

just think about what you were talking about.

We think we suck.

So

like the

feeding into the, I'm better than everybody, oh, I'm famous.

It's like, well, it's just probably downhill from here.

You know, people,

they find new hobbies and new things to like, especially now, faster than ever.

People's attention spans are so short nowadays.

It's like, oh, yeah, they're forgetting.

We're on top right now, yeah, but they'll forget about us.

I think you're much better off being heavily critical of yourself.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think so, too.

I 100% agree.

Like, I don't ever want to be content with anything I'm doing.

Like, I always will have notes for myself.

Like, even after

we have, like, a solid show or something, I'm like, well, I just missed like 10 notes and it felt like guitar hero in my head.

You know, when you're

and they start doing you, that's what happens in my head.

It's like, get it together, man.

It's better that way.

I mean, that's going to force you to constantly work at it, constantly try to get better.

The people that believe that they're the best already, you know,

where are you going to go from there?

That's exactly how we think.

Yeah.

We get asked a lot at VIP, what was the moment you knew you made it?

I was like, I don't, I don't want to make it.

What's after making it?

I don't want to just be there and make it.

Making it to me is like the film where the people hold hands and walk off in the sunset.

Yeah, that's a crock of shit.

You got to wake up in the morning.

Okay, what do you want for breakfast?

You know, it's like life goes on.

And this idea that there's going to be a goal where you're going to get to a spot someday where you could rest, that's nonsense.

That's when you die.

Yeah.

Take a day off every now and then.

Nothing wrong with that.

But this idea that you're going to get to a place where, well, I made it.

It's over.

I'm sick for life.

Yeah, I did it.

That's all bullshit.

Yep.

And if you get really, really rich, you want to get really, really, really, really rich.

It never ends.

Really?

If you think like that, yeah.

If that's the thought process, if you're just chasing after goals and looking for this one moment where you can say, okay, we did it.

It's never happening.

Yeah, I kind of, I say that to people too.

Just from the outside looking in, you think like, if you've never done it before, man, it'd be cool to get a song and a show.

It'd be cool to get a platinum single.

It'd be cool to sell out Red Rocks.

and once you do it it's like okay we did it nothing changed it's like when your birthday comes do you feel older you feel older no feel the same with it's here you know yeah so I mean it's good to have goals it's good to have milestones but at the end of the day

I guess the process and then the thing that you were talking about like honoring this gift that you have that's what it's all about That's what it's all about.

And then recognizing that you're in this very unique position and you're very fortunate.

And so because of that you owe it to this gift that you've been given and you owe it to the people that love you the people that come to see you to keep doing your best well we do stray to play on our name a little bit i think we we do stray a little bit from the industry um because our fan base is

a lot of sad people a lot of depressed people a lot of people who you know, were suicidal.

So

and

we make music for for that fan base, I guess.

And you're not going to hear that at like a country music festival on the beach.

How do you know that about your fans?

We get messages every day

on phones.

And sometimes they

email our agents and stuff.

We had one lady who sent us an email saying

she decided to off herself, take a lot of pills, and she wanted to go to sleep listening to music.

As she was laying there waiting to take the big nap, um, she our song I'm Still Fine came on and it kind of, you know, s snapped her out of it a little bit and she started crying and immediately regretted it and got up and called her sister and told her sister what she had just did and they rushed her to the hospital and did whatever at the hospital for someone who takes a lot of pills at once and saved her life pretty much.

And she's, yeah, it was so moving.

And that's what really makes it worth it for us because touring is a lot.

Touring sucks a lot of the times.

And if we were just doing it to be popular or to be famous or to be relevant, make money,

I don't think that's enough to keep me going because being on the road is very hard.

What keeps us going is those stories and seeing how our music at our at the concert, seeing how our music affects people and helps them in a positive way.

And so, I don't know, that's just where we get our fulfillment from.

What do you think is about your music that appeals to people that aren't feeling good?

A lot of it came from us not feeling good.

Drew and my brother Matthew are the main writers for the band.

And,

you know, they just, our song Drowning, Drew wrote that during COVID when we were driving for Uber, trying to keep the bills paid.

My goal was to make $100 a day for Uber.

And

driving for Uber in mobile alabama sucks uh i'd have to do like 12 14 hours a day to get that and then most

yeah and then most of the time spend so that was just five years ago yeah wow yeah and we were locally famous at the time so i was picking up people and they're like oh my god bricklays trays you know i mean get in hop in really i don't want to talk about it

makes you leave a tip that's crazy

i picked up like and i was driving a hand sonata and i had to i picked up like

five black dudes.

They wanted to get in the Hyundai Sonata to go to the stripper club.

And I was like, y'all can't, all five of y'all can't fit in here.

I can only take like four at the most.

So they had to leave one behind, and I had to take them like 30 minutes across town.

That's how Mobile is.

Everything is like a 30-minute drive.

And so I took them 30 minutes across town to the stripper club.

There's some very interesting people at nighttime who get Ubers, just so you know.

I'm sure.

Yeah.

And they probably want to talk to you.

Sometimes.

The worst was people with with bad B.O.

Oh.

Get in your car with bad B.O.

And then leave it.

Leave that smell in your car.

I'm like a germ freak.

Are you really?

Sometimes, yeah.

And especially with smells.

I can't get a fresh air.

I feel like I'm suffocating.

And this frat guy got in my car one time, and he's...

He was something.

And he was going to Lowe's to get something for a beer pong table.

He was getting ready to have a frat party, and I had to drive him to Lowe's.

And it smelled like he had never taken a shower and so I was just trying not to freak out I was just like

yeah yeah for sure and um I was sweating by the time he got out of the car

dry heaving up front driving a hundred miles an hour to get him out the car I'd pick some people up oh people just put too much faith in uber drivers I'd pick up people from the hospital I picked up a blind lady from the hospital.

That's what they do if they don't have any family.

They'll call them.

They'll get them an Uber.

And I had to help this blind lady get into her house.

I picked up this one guy fresh out of surgery.

He couldn't walk.

I had to get him in my car.

And they got him a hotel, I guess, so I had to take him to the hotel.

And I had to carry him out of my car and get him in his bed.

And I was just thinking, what if this wasn't me?

Right.

You know?

What if it was an 80-pound lady?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Or just somebody who didn't even care.

Get out of my car.

You know?

That kind of blew my mind a little bit how much faith hospitals put in Uber drivers.

It's very sad.

Well, one thing I found out during COVID that it sounds so stupid that I didn't know this, but hospitals are private businesses.

I used to, this is how naive I was.

I was like, well, doctors, they go to universities, they do it so that they can become the best doctor they can, and then they work for these hospitals that are set up so that all the people in the city have medical care.

And this is like part of the city services.

I really believe that.

I really thought that.

And then I have some friends that are doctors and they would tell me, no, no, no.

Not only that, you're incentivized.

You're incentivized to push certain medications.

You're incentivized to do surgeries that maybe people don't need.

And you have to challenge your own ethics

because you'll be talked into doing surgeries that this guy, you kind of could justify it, but really he shouldn't get it.

I'm like, oh, fuck, man, really?

And then, you know, I've had friends that left and started their own practices because of this because they tell you, like, you just, at the end of the day, like, why did I go to school?

Like, I thought I was going to school because I wanted to learn medicine, because I thought that would be a really fascinating way to make a living and very rewarding.

You're helping people that are injured, that are sick.

And then he got just

enlightened to like what the business really is.

It's just about numbers.

Yeah.

He got sick.

Instagram reels will scare you too about all that stuff.

Oh, dude, I went down a rabbit hole last night.

just sitting in my bed.

I shouldn't have done this.

It was like nine o'clock.

There's no reason for me to look at dick-lengthening videos.

What?

It just popped up on Instagram, you know, in like the for you section.

Yeah, dude.

Well, stay away from that for you.

I didn't ask for it.

I don't know what happened.

How many videos did you watch?

Oh, I watched a lot of them.

I watched an hour's worth of videos.

It's fucking horrific, man.

Three inches of hidden penis.

It's not just that, man.

It's like they're

these guys are getting these things put in their dicks so that the dicks are thicker.

Oh, my God.

See, the thing about YouTube is, YouTube, you want to see some videos?

Yeah.

Might as well.

We're here.

So

I'll pull up my history.

YouTube can actually.

So the thing is, this guy was like, go to my YouTube video and you can see the actual surgeries.

I'm like, no fucking way.

And yeah, fucking way.

So YouTube will actually show you the surgery.

We can't show any of this on camera, right, Jamie?

I'm not going to.

Like it's educational purposes.

These dudes are just digging.

They're just digging in dicks and

it is just horrific.

All right.

Yeah, once you get on that dark side of

Instagram, usually it's when Brandon sends me reels.

Brandon always be finding himself on that bad part.

And then he sends it to me and then I'm 30 minutes deep into feeling uncomfortable with my life.

Yeah, why isn't it showing up in my?

I don't really want to fuck up my algorithm by looking for that.

All right, we don't have to.

You guys can trust me.

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So this is what happened.

So I'm looking in the For You page and it was like I saw this thing that said plus two inches and three inches of girth.

And it's this guy's got what looks like a like a flounder fillet and he's dipping it in this liquid and I'm like, what is that?

I'm like, is this guy operating on a dick?

Is this what's going on here?

So it's like this plastic sheet, this flexible stuff that looks like a filet.

And he's like dunking it in this stuff.

I don't know what this liquid is.

It's like there's a dark liquid and a clear liquid.

And this guy's explaining he's going to have so much more confidence.

He's going to have so much more girth.

And I'm like, no fucking way.

You're getting your dick operated on.

This is crazy.

Like, if you have to get your dick operated on, like, okay, I got to do this.

I can't believe I got to do this.

I got a dick problem people sign up i got a dick cancer or something like the dick has to get fixed i gotta get it fixed this is just regular dicks that people like i'm not happy with my dick

i i wish my dick was hard all the time and so one of the guys like his dick was like eight inches flaccid all the time because he had this fucking tube stuck in there this fucking pvc pipe that they had stuffed into his hog and it's just and so in YouTube, because it's medical, they can show you.

So, the guy just drops his shorts.

I'm like, no, fuck me.

And this guy's got this franken penis.

And with, like, by the way, he's got the head of a little dick, but the body of a giant dick.

So it's like, you know, like they took a guy who's like got a little tiny body and they popped his head off and put it on a bodybuilder's body.

Jesus Christ.

How do you deal with that on a daily basis?

Well, this fellow seems like he was getting a lot of play.

He was in the rainbow community, and it seemed like he was just slinging that dick all over town and quite happy that it never got soft.

Quite literally laying pipe.

Yeah, literally.

Literally piping.

Do you ever think that?

Oh, Jesus.

You name it's a banana.

That's a banana.

Okay, all right.

They're showing how they do it with it.

Yeah.

Well, this, what is this one?

This is girl.

This is a fat injection, and this guy was, he was dismissing fat injections.

Like, fat injections are nonsense.

All right.

You need the plastic.

I think I would pass out.

You wouldn't even need to do it.

Yeah, you wouldn't need anesthesia on me.

I'd pass out.

Oh, that's our excuse.

And then one guy they installed.

Oh, that's legs to standing where they break their legs and they stretch it out.

There's a guy that I've been watching.

What is it, Brian the Sasquatch?

That's his new Instagram.

The guy was already six feet tall, but he wanted to be six foot.

And he's a gigantic dude, like built like a brick shithouse.

And he got his legs stretched out like a year and a half ago and he still hasn't recovered yeah

imagine not but your your mechanics are all off so if you were an athlete and you're used to having a legs of a six-foot man and now your legs have grown six inches like you're

yeah your arms aren't gonna be proportionate either but he had very long arms yeah unusually long arms so does it look proportionate totally looks normal looks like he's just a giant dude for him but for other people yeah it looks fucking weird this is the guy so this is him trying to jump ropes now oh wow it's like he can barely walk.

Oh.

But look at the size of this motherfucker.

So, he's got kind of like, this is him now.

His knees aren't even.

No, he's all messed up.

Like, that's why he's gotten knee braces on.

I'm sure his knees are super confused.

Like, he can barely walk.

What are we doing to ourselves?

I mean, do you think eventually

you would get the strength in the right places?

Yes, eventually.

There's a guy.

We looked up this one guy who did it.

Remember that one guy who was running those athletic drills?

But he was doing sprinting and plyometrics some people have to do it but i don't think he gained six inches this guy gained like half a foot

look they're gonna get to the point where with crisper they're just gonna edit your genes and there's gonna be no normal looking people anymore like all the interesting personality quirks that you have to develop because you got a weird chin like all that shit's gonna go away it's getting weird man they're trying to get rid of down syndrome yeah i mean well probably be a good idea that wouldn't be terrible listen i mean there's nothing wrong with it's they're sweet people you know my friend Shane he's got family members that are Down syndrome and he loves them very dearly but if you could do that and they would be normal functioning members of society that would be a better thing just

to delete that gene yeah

manipulate it they're gonna be able to do that they're gonna be able to do a lot of things then we're gonna be birthing super babies once they like it all the things usually always seem like they start good and then they go really bad and then we're creating superhumans in the womb we're at the cusp of some really really wild shit with AI and with genetic engineering.

In China,

I've read something where they can, like, they're trying to grow babies in an artificial womb now.

See,

that's where ethics gets a little weird, because then you're playing God then.

Well, there's something that happens.

It's communication between the mother and the child through the entire time.

So, are you giving birth to a fucking sociopath?

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Because, like, this baby is not going to get any love, no oxytocin.

There's nothing from the mother.

There's no bond with the mother.

When the mother's stressed, the baby feels stressed.

Some of the mother's brain, something from their brain goes into the baby.

100%.

There's a lot going on.

There's communication.

This is why the mother has to be up on her nutrients because the baby's taking nutrients from the mother.

And if the mother doesn't have enough, the baby is taking it from the mother.

So it's like...

An artificial womb is like, you're opening the door for Satan.

If you believe in that,

if you want a soulless, bizarrely unempathetic person, what better way?

Maybe that's no connection.

You know, that was what happened, one of the things that happened to the Unibomber.

The Unibomber, I watched the Netflix documentary on him, and one of the things that happened to him when he was young, he had some sort of a disease where he had to be separated from his mom, and they put him in a hospital with no contact.

He had no, for a prolonged period of time as a baby.

No one picked him up, no one held him, no nothing for a long, long time.

And then,

as if that wasn't fucked up enough, they entered him into the Harvard LSD studies.

And then so he was in the Harvard LSD studies, and he was, they were, this is during the MK Ultra period.

So the MK Ultra period, they were doing all sorts of experiments with people through the CIA.

One of the things they were doing was a thing called Operation Midnight Climax, where they opened up brothels in San Francisco, and they would put two-way mirrors in, and they would dose these Johns up with LSD.

So the ladies of the night were actually working for the CIA and they would go in here, have a drink, and the guy would have a drink and then next thing you know he's like whoa

and they were just trying to experiment and see it was also a part of what the Charles Manson family was about and they were doing all kinds of shit with people where they're trying to figure out what can we do to humans if we can manipulate them with LSD and they did it to Kaczynski and we saw what happened with him.

And Tuskegee, Alabama with the syphilis back in the day.

Well, that was even more evil.

That was seeing what would kind of happen.

Yeah.

Well, it's still like human experimenting without them knowing.

Yes.

It's a very scary situation.

Well, it just goes back to what we were talking about with medicine.

There are people that are willing to do things to people that are just entirely evil for profit, for whatever justification they can come up with.

No value for human life.

None.

None.

And I think one of the problems with doctors, and my friend who's a doctor, told me this, like, you just get numb when you see too many people die.

He's like,

it's a very dangerous state of mind because you just see someone, you're like, well, he's going to die.

And then you go have a sandwich.

We're getting numb as a society seeing people die.

Well, the Charlie Kirk thing fucking opened up my eyes.

Yeah.

I never expected so many people would celebrate that man's murder.

That is evil.

That's bizarre.

It's just bizarre.

Like normal people that I think think they're good people.

And they think they genuinely think that guy was a bad guy.

And I don't think they're right.

And I think they were indoctrinated.

And I don't agree with everything that Charlie Kirk said or did.

I don't care if he was a bad guy or not.

He's not a bad guy.

I don't want to see him.

I don't want to see anybody die.

First of all, he's fucking your age, right?

Yeah, he's a young guy, right?

And he

would go around to college campuses and have arguments with people or have discussions with people, have debates with people.

but it infuriated people because they felt like this guy is going against the progress that was being made in society but what he did not feel like was progress like it was a progressive agenda that was being pushed in most college campuses it's a leftist Marxist sort of agenda he didn't feel like that was the correct way to live and he felt like he had arguments against it and he wanted and it was you know it's a business too right like he developed this big social media platform because of it and

I you know I don't like I said I don't agree I don't think he some of the things he said he should have said but the fact that people were cheering when he died normal people housewives moms like fucking people working at banks people working at various industries celebrating a man getting shot in front of his kids in front of the whole world.

That's evil.

What the fuck is wrong with us?

Yeah,

that's evil.

I don't know.

I think it really made me feel extra weird, too, because it was the innocent man.

I'll give some leniency, you know, maybe

they're doing a public execution of like a mass murderer or a child rapist, you know, something like that.

But seeing an innocent man trying to have a conversation get shot in front of his kids

and people celebrate that, it made me feel

a certain way.

Yeah, it was not justice.

But I think people are poisoned by social media.

I really, really firmly believe that.

I think social media has people completely twisted.

And I think a lot of what has people completely twisted is not even organic.

I think it's all on purpose that you're being manipulated by foreign governments, by bot farms, and by various elements, either in our government or other governments.

And they do it for their own agenda, for their own ends.

And it's dark.

There's a Proverbs verse that

I can't remember where it's at, but it's like, he who doesn't find me harms himself, and he who loves death hates me.

And that, you know, if you love God

and you, you can't love death, you can't love somebody getting killed.

Right.

That's just, there's the line right there.

There's evil and good right there.

Yeah.

And so there's no justification for that.

And we actually,

because we've always made a point in the band to not get political.

We don't care what your politics are.

We just come listen to our music and come have fun at our show.

We don't care.

Every one of us in the band, originally, we all have different views politically and religiously in some type of way.

But we managed to be brothers and, you know, be in a band together.

So I've just gotten, and I love a good political talk, but lately I've just been so jaded from it.

And I don't want to ever like divide my fan base or anything.

You know, how you vote or how you believe is none of my business.

We are here to entertain you.

And so I've never want to use my platform to do that.

But

we got so sick of seeing people put politics above humanity.

We actually, we had wrote a song about it in April in the studio called People Hating.

And

we wouldn't put it out as a single.

At first, we were going to do another song.

But after the Charlie Kirk thing, it's just like, hey, we got together and we were like, I think we need to put People Hating out instead for the first single because

to start we've got to stop killing each other over beliefs and stop hating each other over beliefs you know yeah it's fucking insane everybody's race is different everybody's experiencing life different and everybody's trying to figure it out the same as you are and it's just really weird now it's really weird and it's celebrated to hate people and that's that's the weird part and most of us know that that's wrong and that's why like when this charlie kirk thing happens there's a giant blowback and most people recognize like hey as a collectively as a society, this is not right.

Regardless of whoever that person is, whether that person's on the left or the right, they just got shot in front of the whole world.

This is, it's not a thing to celebrate ever.

And especially when you're seeing people on the left that are supposed to be progressives, these are supposed to be the kind, compassionate, inclusive people that are celebrating gun violence, public execution.

Like, that's insane.

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That's a public assassination.

That's insane.

Yeah, I mean,

you can't be against guns and then celebrate when someone is killed by a gun.

Right.

Yeah.

No, it doesn't make any sense.

But that hypocrisy is just a symptom of where

we find ourselves, where we're all just...

So many of us are confused because of the rhetoric online.

And again, a lot of that's not normal.

It's not organic.

It's not real.

It's not real people.

And it's not what you would ever get in real social circles of healthy people.

Yeah.

You're only getting it through through this very bizarre filter of just text on social media and videos where someone's just talking to the camera, celebrating on social media.

It's like, it's very strange.

Most of the time you walk around, because we travel all over the place, and most of the time when you walk around, stop watching the news, get off your phone, and just walk around in society.

Yeah.

It's really, really not that bad.

It's not that bad.

And that is the key, but most people are not going to get off their phone.

Yeah.

And that's what's fucked.

Most people are just fully hooked on that damn thing.

You think it's weird now?

Wait till all these, wait till all these iPhone babies grow up and all these tablet babies grow up.

You've seen the videos of them taking the tablets away and the babies are like freaking out and having withdrawals and stuff.

Oh yeah.

Oh yeah.

Yeah, they're being raised with it.

Our generation was probably the last to not have, I mean, we didn't have technology growing up.

We had dial-up internet and we didn't get that until I was, you know, when I was through middle school.

I didn't have a smartphone.

I didn't tell a smartphone.

I was 16.

We still have an Android.

Yeah, dude, but that's better.

All right, buddy.

Why are you an Android guy?

I've always been an Android guy because I was.

I'll give you some.

We didn't grow up rich.

That's my argument, just to play around that.

Yeah, we couldn't afford iPhones.

And neither.

I really didn't care.

I didn't even know what an iPhone was.

I just got whatever phone I could buy.

Text people.

My dad got me the, I mean, my parents got me the

little sidekick and stuff.

So I've always been on the Android side.

And then when I started working as a teenager, I saved up and I bought my own smartphone from one of those cell phone shops in the strip mall.

And it was just, it was Android.

I never really got into the.

I never cared, first of all, what phone people have.

It's you guys who pick up.

Oh, my God.

Oh, God.

Y'all picked up.

I have both.

But

it's a weird thing in our society where if a kid has an Android phone, they're looked down on.

Yeah, dude.

It's like something like 80 plus percent of kids have iPhones.

Man, I was, it was after a show one time.

It was after a show one time, a long time ago.

And I was talking to this girl.

This is like way back in the day.

And she's like, Yeah,

maybe we get your number.

And then I pulled out my phone.

She's like, Oh, you have an Android?

I just walked off.

Yeah.

Just walked off.

I don't.

She didn't like you anymore?

Green bubble?

Yeah.

It was after this.

That's crazy.

Yeah, that's weird.

Isn't that weird?

It's weird.

It's weird, but it's like, it just shows you how easy people fall into tribes

over anything.

What we were just talking about.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Even down to the phone.

If you have something different than somebody, they automatically don't like you.

It can be politics.

It can be the dang phone in your pocket.

Yep.

When the iPhone babies grow up, they're going to be killing each other over phones.

What about the Android babies?

We just want to be left alone, man.

See, that's the identity.

It's a Rebel's phone.

Oh, a Rebels phone.

If you choose it, if you choose choose it, it's a Rebels' phone.

If it chooses you, it's like, one day I'm going to get a fucking iPhone.

I'm like, get out of this job.

I'm going to get a real job, and I'm going to get an iPhone.

But the people that choose it, they're the Rebels.

I'm glad I married an iPhone user.

I'll tell you that.

I'm glad my wife has an iPhone, and we can send cool emojis.

See, you say that?

I married an iPhone user, and I don't care if she has an iPhone.

That's true.

You're glad that you married an iPhone user.

I don't care that I married an iPhone user.

I love her anyway.

It feels like you're trying to be superior over him now.

Exactly.

By virtue of calling.

Grenon's just like calling out your superiority conflict.

He's being superior.

Yeah.

Just can't win with these people.

Oh, yeah.

Now he's playing, now he's playing victim.

He wants to say it's an American company, but they're made in China.

Well, the owner, Tim, what's his name?

Cook.

You don't even know him.

He is from where we are from.

I'm supporting a local.

Now, has he ever put an Apple store in Mobile, Alabama?

Absolutely not.

Do we deserve one?

Probably not.

But it'll get robbed, dude.

Yeah.

Maybe the phone should be made in America one day.

Yeah.

But American company?

Well, if they made an American, I always said that if they made an American phone that had like a little American flag on the back, but it cost $200 more, I would buy it.

Yeah, me too.

Who do you think is going to make it?

Well, it would have to be a company that started.

The problem is that the goal of doing that is a long goal.

Like, you would have to develop the chips.

You'd have to have a plant.

Like, Samsung tried to put in a, they were putting a microchip plant in Texas, and they had giant issues because they weren't getting enough.

Like, so all of them don't meet their standards, you know, and a certain percentage of them weren't, and it was a much lower standard than they needed, and so it didn't work out.

And you're spending billions and billions of dollars to find out that you can't do it.

So in China, they've got that shit perfected.

They've been doing it for so long because we've relied on them for so long.

Don't they have their own phone as well?

Oh, they have a lot of phones.

I forgot what it's called.

They have a special Chinese phone.

Well, Huawei, because they were banned here, so Google and Apple wouldn't let them use their operating systems because it's basically a spy device.

But guess what?

So are all of them.

If you're hanging around with me, your fucking phone's bugged.

Yeah, I don't.

But that's always been something that does not bother me personally.

I don't have anything to hide, first of all.

What about your DM?

The problem is not.

The problem is not you having something to hide.

The problem is no one should have access to your private information.

Whether or not

it's

bad,

that shouldn't mean anything.

No one should have access.

No, they should not.

Because it's an individual.

No individual should be able to look at your phone.

You can't look at theirs.

It's a power thing.

And they're trolling.

But you can guarantee the government's got everything.

Oh, it's not just the government.

It's foreign governments, especially if you're a controversial person.

Like, foreign governments, there's a thing called Pegasus 2.

All they need is your phone number.

That's all they need.

So if you're not using encrypted apps, all they need is your phone number.

And even if you are using encrypted apps, the government can get into those.

You know, when Tucker Carlson was trying to interview Putin, the government contacted him and said, we know you're trying to interview Putin.

We were looking into your signal app.

And he's like, what?

Wow.

You can read my fucking signal app.

Yeah.

So it's just like the government's saying, back off China, spying on Americans is our job.

Well,

because of the Patriot Act and because of a lot of other things that they've passed in this country, a lot of it's legal.

They're allowed to.

They're allowed to spy on you.

I think they can make it illegal and we still wouldn't know.

Well, it probably would be illegal, but it wouldn't matter.

They would find some sort of a fucking loophole.

Or they would pass some bill.

They'd stick it in some farm bill, something.

We think like, oh, this is good.

We're going to help the farmers.

And you look in there like, hey, what's this doing in there?

Yeah, there's some stuff in

the Big Beautiful bill where it's like they were trying to sell some national park land or something.

Yes, yes.

They were trying to sell public land.

It was a part of the Big Beautiful bill.

Yeah, I was one of the people that was trying very hard to try to get that out of there.

I remember that.

It's fucking sick.

I thought that was illegal.

It should be.

Foreign countries.

It should be.

They're trying to change laws.

That's a thing.

Like foreign countries owning land around military bases.

That's crazy.

That's weird, too.

Where was, yeah, why is that happening?

You can't do that in China.

Meanwhile, China owns land around military bases.

Yeah, there's a lot of stupidity with our freedom, but that doesn't mean the government should be fucking spying spying on you.

The thing is, in other countries, they just are.

Like in China, they just are.

And, you know, and the argument is, if we want to compete with China, we have to do what they're doing, which I think is insane.

Aren't they about to start, or they already have the social point system?

Social credit score.

Yeah, social credit score.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

So if you jaywalk and they get a photo of your face, so they have biometrics, they get a photo of your face, they know it's you, your thing gets ding.

Now you can't buy a plane ticket.

Yeah.

Black mirror stuff.

Yeah, oh, it's just like that.

Well, they're passing that in the UK right now, in the UK,

digital ID, to combat, ready for it, illegal immigration.

Well, motherfucker, you let the illegal immigrants in on purpose.

Like, you guys knew what you were doing, and now you're using it as a justification for digital ID.

I just watched one this morning, actually, about it was a British judge, a guy got sentenced

for however many years for a social media post.

20 months, social media months, for a social media post.

It was about immigration.

It's complaining about immigration.

It's wild.

Yeah, it's wild.

It's crazy.

And, you know, it's the best way to control people, you know, and keep them at each other's throats.

Like, bring in a bunch of people that the people that live there don't want there and let them duke it out and then start instituting tighter and tighter restrictions and control.

Yeah,

I see all that happening, and it always makes me wonder.

I wonder how it's going to go down here because we are the different ones with the guns and stuff.

I wonder how far it's going to go here before

something happens, something pops off.

They're going to try.

Yeah, you know that.

They're going to try, and they're going to keep trying.

They're going to continue to try, and they're going to try to sneak it in.

And if it's not for independent journalists that call that shit out, we would be in real trouble.

It would have already happened.

It would already happen.

They were trying to institute a vaccine passport, and the vaccine passport would be attached to a digital ID so that you would know.

But that digital ID would then be transferred to a social credit score.

And then they wanted to do a carbon tax.

So they want to do a thing that tracks your carbon.

So it tracks how many miles you drive, tracks your purchases, so it tracks how much carbon

you're contributing to in the environment.

It's crazy.

And somehow paying more money will

stop that.

Oh, yeah, that's what we need to do.

You just need to tax people more.

Tax people more, and it's all going to come and make normal in the end.

It'll be perfect.

Utopia.

Farmer with cows, you've got to pay taxes on those cows because they're farting.

Well, how about in other countries?

They're killing cows.

They're forcing them to kill cows because the cows are producing too much methane.

So they're saying you have to kill 2,000 cows, 1,000 cows.

Wow.

Yeah, so they control your food.

That's exactly what it is.

I remember when all those

chicken farms or chicken houses burnt down a couple years ago.

Yeah.

That was really weird, too.

Yeah, it's real weird.

But the

chicken houses do burn down.

What's also weird is they had to kill a bunch of chickens because some of these chickens had bird flu.

Yeah.

Well, hopefully that's true.

That's Livestock's branding popping up dead too.

A bunch of cattle.

There was a couple of years ago.

This one farmer posted a video, like all his cattle were just dead in the field.

In the field.

And they said it was because of the heat or something.

But this farmer had just tons of dead cows just all of a sudden.

It was going on the same time as the chicken houses burning down.

So it could have just been, you know, news adding on to news kind of thing.

This is what's in right now.

Hmm.

Maybe it's aliens.

Yeah, maybe so.

Cattle mutilations.

The alien thing is just another interesting topic.

Like you see, I'll get random, there's random times where people are seeing all these crazy things in the sky, and it's like a big deal for a few days, and then you don't really talk about it anymore.

Did you see that one thing that lady was filming?

She was like, hi, do you know Jesus?

The wheels were like going crazy.

No, what is that?

It's like a.

It's also hard to know what's real.

Yeah, no, because

you know?

Yeah, see, and the interesting thing about that, though, is that somebody in the Bible described seeing something,

one of the angels or something.

Ezekiel.

Yeah, and the wheels on the wheel.

A wheel within a wheel.

And that's what this thing was.

And she's like, do you know Jesus?

And then the wheels would just start spinning really, really fast.

I was like, whoa, man.

I hope that's real.

That's pretty cool.

Oh, man.

Is this it?

Yeah.

That looks like a rocket.

My fingers don't work.

She zooms in on orb and speaks to it.

She says, Jesus loves me.

She's definitely having an android.

Look how fucking she is.

It's going to turn into the moon here in a second.

Watch.

Well, that's the thing.

If you zoom in on stuff,

especially stuff through the atmosphere, things look very blurry.

Like, if you zoom in on stars, they totally look like there's some sort of a fucking spaceship.

Yes, it is.

It's just a star.

When she says, do you know who Jesus?

It starts like,

starts moving.

I think it's towards the end, but yeah, you get the idea.

It's just

that looks like

kind of looks like a weather balloon.

Maybe it's one of them Chinese spy balloons.

Play that, let me hear her say it.

Jesus loves me.

Look, look, look, look.

Look.

Oh, you know Jesus.

You know Jesus.

You know, Jesus.

Jesus is awesome, isn't he?

Yeah, Jesus rocks.

But if that is real, dude,

and that random ladies is filming that?

Well, that is the weirdness of the people that think that they can call these things in.

So there's a group of people that supposedly successfully, they sit out and they have this intention.

They go out into the desert in a clear night sky and they have this intention to call these things in.

And they're all silently calling these things in.

And apparently, it's effective.

Occasionally, I don't know how often, but it's not zero.

Sometimes these things show up.

Who's that guy?

He was on Sean Ryan.

He's an old man, Chris something.

But people like celebrities go out to

his land, and he's like, I can call these things on command.

They'll show up.

And people go out to see it.

Yeah.

I don't know about all that.

Yeah.

It's hard.

You should go to

investigate.

I don't want to.

People will trust what you say.

Yeah, but the problem is I don't know what I'm seeing.

Well, don't tell anybody.

Just go out for yourself.

The thing is, you don't know what you're seeing.

It could be a drone.

It could be anything.

It could be fucking Starlink.

Does he have to pay to go do it?

That's a good question.

I can't remember that guy's name.

It's driving me crazy.

But yeah, he wrote a book called UFOs of God.

And I started listening to it.

And I'm just terrible about reading books and stuff.

So I got like the first three chapters in, but it was really interesting.

He's worked with...

NASA showed up at his house.

Here he is.

Chris Bledsoe.

Yeah, I watched his Sean Ryan, I think the guy's name is.

I watched his podcast it was an interesting listen and so this guy what does he think these things are

um

they're related with God somehow they're uh this is what Tucker believes yeah I kind of believe it too a lot of people believe that these things are not from another world that they're they've always been here yeah and they're a part of our world that just don't show themselves to us.

Does this guy have videos of these things?

Watch this with an open heart, okay?

Show me what you got.

Okay, something moving.

Oh.

There's a lot.

Okay, what the fuck is that?

I think you should go out there and take him out.

Just don't tell anybody.

That could be bugs.

I see that if I look up in the sky in Austin all the time.

Yeah, but that thing moving across the sky, that is odd.

That's different.

That thing's very odd.

Because that's clearly moving.

I mean, you see flashes.

But the thing is, it's like you're zooming in, right?

So you get distortion.

So you don't know, and see it's going behind the cloud, that you don't know what that is.

Have you ever seen the space station fly over?

Kind of like that.

Have you seen the space station fly over?

Yeah.

I've seen pictures of it before.

Does it look like that?

Yeah, it's really slow moving.

Yeah, it's just a tiny little bit.

It's usually just one, though.

Well, the rest of those, the rest of that stuff kind of looks like a bunch of stuff.

Probably bugs.

Yeah, that looks like bugs.

That's the problem, is that like if you're zooming in on this thing, the stuff that flies in between that looks like it's moving really fast and flying across incredible space.

Yeah, that easily could be bugs.

Especially if you're like, but maybe not.

That's the problem.

Interdimensional angelic beings.

Is that what he's calling them?

That's what it says.

There's more.

I'd like to see some documentation.

My dad was

wait till the end.

What happens in the end?

It goes behind the cloud.

Oh.

They simply come

when we ask in prayer.

Countless others were healed too.

Joe, just go out there and see it and don't tell anybody.

I don't want to waste my time.

I feel like if they want to show themselves, they should just go ahead and do it.

I think they will eventually, maybe, if it's going to happen.

Maybe a lot.

Maybe if things get real messy here.

We'll find out.

Isn't there verses about there will be signs in the sky?

I don't know.

Well, there's a lot of verses about the sky.

I've been into the book of Enoch over the the last couple of years.

Yeah, I was wanting to pull that up.

I was wanting to talk about that.

So Rep Lima came in here and she was explaining to me the book of Enoch, and I never really got into it.

She's like, you know, it could have been included in the Bible, and it was a part of the Dead Sea Scrolls.

The first half was, right?

Well, the Book of Enoch is in the Dead Sea Scrolls.

The whole book.

Yeah.

And

at least part of it.

The problem with the Book of the Dead Sea Scrolls, rather, is a lot of it has deteriorated and it's missing chunks and stuff.

But the book of Isaiah is in the Dead Sea Scrolls, and it is identical word for word.

Wes Huff was explaining that to a version of it that was a thousand years older, which was the most recent version before they found the Dead Sea Scrolls in the 1940s, which is wild.

That is why.

That's the book that God predicts his own.

coming to earth and his own death and all that.

Well, the book of Enoch is the one that predicts, this is what talks about the watchers in the sky and that these gods made with humans and created the Nephilim.

That is bizarre.

I've listened to it twice now and I keep going back over it and just rewinding and going, what are they saying?

Like what?

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What were they trying to describe?

Because this sounds completely insane.

When you get into like

the, because isn't there like Egyptian stuff where there's like

men coming down from space and like stargates?

There's all sorts of weird shit.

That to me is just like fallen angels.

It's all kind of lining up in some kind of way or another.

These whatever rebelled against God and came down here.

Men from the sky came down here and were pretty much posing as gods and demanding people worship them.

And isn't Enoch where they teach them about money and teach them about sorcery?

Sorcery.

Yeah, sorcery and agriculture and metallurgy.

There's all sorts of like weird.

If they talk about incantations,

and then like how to get out of incantations if one gets put on you, it's like, and you got to think this is pre-Jesus, and so God is separated from man.

So we're just walking around as people, like, not knowing what's going on.

And these things come down and they're boring giants and stuff.

It's like, you know, I'd probably think it's a God too, for God's sakes, you know, because there wasn't.

Was the Jews even a thing when the book of Enoch was written?

Sure.

Yeah.

It was.

Were God's chosen people?

The people that argued over whether or not the Book of Enoch should be included in the canon were rabbis.

Yeah.

It's all so confusing.

Is there any explanation of why it would be left out?

Well, they felt like it didn't jive with the Torah.

I think that's the reason why it was left out.

Well, I mean, when I say that, like, at one point, the Jews were God's chosen people as like they knew the God,

the I am, the one true God.

But the rest of the world didn't really know what was going on.

And so they were worshiping other gods.

And

so,

like, aside from the Jews, the rest of humanity seeing these things walking around, it's like I'm sure they would think that's a God.

You know, I'm sure they would worship that.

What else do they have to believe?

Well, if something did come and visit ancient humans, I'm in the middle of this Richard Dolan book, and it's a very interesting book on UFOs.

And Richard Dolan, who's a very like objective, scientifically minded author, one of the things he's talking about is this gene expression.

It's a D allele that started, this gene,

it was introduced through breeding.

So one of the things that we know is that it came into the human population somewhere around 40,000 years ago.

And that this, all geneticists agree that this was introduced through crossbreeding.

So the idea was, was it introduced by Neanderthals?

Was it introduced by Denisovans?

Like, what type of human?

Well, the problem is they don't find that gene expression in any other ancient human.

Like, they don't find it in Neanderthals.

They don't find it.

But they do find it in Asia.

Like in Mongolia, most people have it.

The rest of the world, it's like 70% of the people have it, and they think it's responsible for creativity.

They think it's responsible for this giant change in the artwork that people start producing around 40,000 years ago.

And his

assertion or his question, the hypothesis is that it was introduced by some other species.

And this is also part of what is talked about not just in the book of Enoch, but also in the Sumerian text.

They talk about

what happened that created human beings.

And so what he's talking about is this one woman that was an academic, I forget her name, but she wrote these books about it where she believes that human beings are some sort of a hybrid species and that we were genetically manipulated to be what we are now.

And I think going back to the flood, because apparently, like every other religion has some type of evidence of a great flood, correct?

Yeah.

So, at one point or another, if God's creation did get corrupt,

that was pretty much the great reset of

I've got to, he had to get rid of all that that he didn't create.

And I forgot where I was going with that, but yeah.

Well, they do all have a flood myth.

And now

because of the Younger Dryas impact theory, we know that there most likely was massive floods all over the earth somewhere around 11,800 years ago.

Yeah.

And I just think about stuff like that when they find this skull that they can't link anything to or find stuff that doesn't they can't link anything to.

It's like we don't really know what happened a long time ago.

We can pretend that we did, but I personally believe there was an advanced civilization way back in the day before all that.

There's a lot of evidence that points to that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

There was also new evidence that just emerged out of China.

They found a Homo sapien skull that's one million years old.

Well, it's China.

Yeah, but it doesn't matter.

It's still, it's like it's it's an actual Homo sapien skull that was carbon dated to a million years old.

So that predates what we thought of as the emergence of Homo sapiens by 500,000 years.

Yeah.

And that's just what we found, right?

They might find another one six months from now that's two million years old.

So like they don't really know.

We're piecing things together.

We're piecing the past together with a very limited amount of information, very limited evidence.

And evidence of fossils, it's very difficult to make a fossil.

Most fossils, they just don't, they don't happen.

The animals eat the bones, the bones deteriorate in the sun.

There's a very specific set of circumstances that has to happen for something to be fossilized.

Haven't they found some fossils with grass still in their mouths?

And so they were wondering how could...

They found some type of evidence of fossils where it seems like this animal was fossilized instantly.

Yes.

Well,

not even fossilized, just preserved instantly.

Like this is woolly mammoths.

There's quite a few of them.

Yeah, they think a lot of that was what happened during the impact.

So, Randall Carlson talks about this quite a bit.

There's multiple places on Earth where there's a large number of animals that seem to have died instantaneously.

And weirdly, like with broken legs, like broken mammoth legs,

like over like a large field of them, thousands of them there.

Like, what happened?

Like, some sort of an event must have happened where they were wiped out, or the ones that were in this area were wiped out instantaneously and he thinks it's probably some sort of a collision like a mass oh it's a mass casualty of some sort yeah i mean what else can cause that well not only that 65 percent something like that of all north american megafauna died off at the exact same time all of it around that that same younger dry ice impact theory time between 11 800 years ago and 10 000 years ago everything woolly mammoth

african lion african cheetah there was all sorts of giant sloths all sorts of weird animals that all died off in America around the exact same time that they think this flood happened.

And it used to be just complete speculation, but now they find core samples where they're finding iridium, which indicates iridium is very common in space and very rare on Earth.

So when they find a layer of iridium, it indicates there's some sort of an impact.

Of course.

Interesting.

It's wild shit, man, because it could happen to us at any moment.

You know, there's this guy, Avi Loeb, who's a professor out of Harvard, who is saying that some of these objects that we're seeing in space, they're moving in very bizarre ways.

They're enormous.

They have much more mass and much more speed.

They're interstellar objects, and he's speculating whether or not they're alien.

I've got one passing by

pretty soon, right?

I've been following that one a lot.

Yeah, this is one of the ones he's talking about.

They think it's a spaceship.

They think it's something.

Something.

You know, whatever it is.

For it to come outside of our solar system on this path is just very bizarre.

Very bizarre, but other astronomers say, yeah, but it just might be unique.

Like there's a lot of stuff in space they're finding through the James Webb telescope that they didn't understand.

So they had this idea of the universe being 13.7 or whatever it is, billion years old.

But now they're finding these galaxies that were formed far too quickly.

far like after the Big Bang.

And so now they're starting to say, well, this might be an indication that it's quite a bit older and that maybe it's not 13, maybe the Big Bang is not 13.7 billion years, but that's just as far back as we can look.

And as they get better and better equipment and better and better ways of looking, they'll be able to find more evidence and more information that gives them more questions and less answers.

It's really weird.

It's like there's a quote by Dennis McKenna, and he said that once the bonfire of knowledge expands, the surface layer of ignorance is exposed.

More of a surface layer of ignorance.

So, the more you see and the more you learn, the more you realize, oh, I don't know shit.

And that's what they're kind of finding out about space.

It's like they know a lot, but

they don't know a lot in comparison to what's out there.

More questions pop up than answers.

Yeah, I mean, it's

fucking.

This is wild, too, how much of that we were taught in school is like fact.

And then you grow up and be like, wait a minute,

we don't really know what's going on.

I didn't even know there was dwarf planets in our solar system.

There's planets that aren't like regular planets, but they I didn't learn about those.

I might have learned that three years ago.

It's pretty wild to think that they're

that they're there and we never learned about them.

Yeah.

Well, there's also a speculation there's something big that's outside of the Kuiper Belt, that there's like some other planet, that it might even be a dwarf star or what is it called?

I forget what they're called, a brown dwarf, but that we might have a binary star system and that the star might have died off and it's like in a far outside of our own sun, outside of that orbit.

Wow.

So, there's something, there's this thing called the Kuiper belt that's outside of Pluto, and it's a belt of objects, and that's one of the reasons why Pluto got declassified as a planet, because it is a little too small to be a planet, and it seems like there's a lot of these objects out there, and then they found a couple more, and they're saying, okay, it's not a planet, but there seems to be a drop-off after that, which indicates something that is of a large mass exists.

Interesting.

But it's a little too far for us to be able to look at right now.

So it's a lot of just speculation.

What was that one paper that we looked at once that they had

documented a planet out there that they were calling Planet X?

The Earth-like?

Was it like an Earth-like?

They don't know what it is.

I mean, this is all, this is the fucking Sumerian tech stuff, too, because they talk about this planet called Nibiru that comes within an elliptical orbit every 3,600 years years and fucks things up, and that's where the Anunnaki live.

They'll come visit us.

This is this guy, Zachariah Sitchin.

It's fascinating stuff.

It's so fun.

It's so fun, but might be full of shit.

In fact, there's a whole website called sitchiniswrong.com that refutes it, but I'm too dumb to know who's right and who's wrong.

It's still interesting to talk about and theorize, you know?

Oh, yeah.

Well, the Sumerians had a detailed map of the solar system 6,000 years ago, bizarrely, with the sun in the center and all the planets that we know of in the relative size and the relative order, like the ones that are the right, not exactly the right size because they're so fucking huge, but the bigger ones are in the bigger place.

And

it shows this map of the solar system on this clay tablet from 9,000 or 6,000 years ago.

Like, how did they know that?

Yeah.

It goes back to the advanced civilization, man.

I don't know.

I just really think there's.

Do you think?

I think it was a different type of advance like not power lines and stuff like that i think they honed into like natural energy from the earth like i heard something about the pyramids may have been like some type of a power plant because they just found it where those pillars go down in the ground so long that stuff's wild that stuff's wild i did this dude ben van kirkwick um and they've used that same uh technology to find this enormous labyrinth that existed but that was also documented historically herodotus talked about it and different historians have talked about it this labyrinth that's even more impressive than the pyramids underground.

And inside, so using this technology, they've found this 40-meter, it's 40-meter, this metallic, they don't know what kind of metal it is, but there's a metallic tic-tac-shaped object that's 40 meters long at the center of this labyrinth.

So they built a dam in the 1960s to help the farmers out, and the dam unfortunately fucked up the water table, so this labyrinth is now flooded.

So you can't get in it unless they do something to change the water and change how the water is channeled or build a tunnel inside of it.

But the water table has made it impossible to get into it without doing that.

But this thing,

because of this tomography, this ground-penetrating radar, they know that there's an enormous metallic object.

From thousands and thousands of years ago that's 40 meters long.

Are they actively trying to figure it out, like get in there?

There are researchers that are, but the problem is there's a lot of resistance from the Egyptian government.

I figured.

Yeah,

they don't want any monkey wrench in the timeline that they've been teaching forever.

Yeah, I've seen one article.

They just discovered some ancient city, and it was like a

they discovered something.

It was related to Christianity.

Like, they discovered something, Christ is king.

Long story short, the whole entire project just got shut down, and they passed a law you can't dig there for like 20 years.

I think you're talking about Gobekli Tepe.

Yeah, Gobekli Tepe.

Yeah, Gobekli Tepe,

which is in Turkey.

They found that by accident.

It was a farmer.

A farmer was,

I think it was a sheepherder, actually.

He found some stone that was in the ground.

He's like, kicked at it and

cleaned it off a little bit.

And then he realized it had a right angle to it.

He's like, what the hell is this?

Then he dug a little deeper, and then they called in the archaeologist.

They said, hey, we got something here.

And then they discovered that there's these concentric circles and these huge stone columns and 3d animals and they've only uncovered five percent of it so far wow and uh they kind of stopped digging because they get an enormous amount of tourist revenue where people can want to come to the site and they didn't want to fuck that up and

you know there's a lot a lot of A lot of weirdness when you let these governments decide what can and can't be explored.

Because through ground-penetrating radar, they realize that this site, even though they've only excavated 5% of it, is one of many, many sites that are in that area.

And the age of it is really fascinating because this was intentionally covered somewhere around 11,000 years ago.

So that means that someone decided to cover this all up with dirt 11,000 years ago, which means they don't even know how old it is.

It could be 2,000, 3,000 years older than that.

They don't know.

And it's just weird to just stop finding that out.

Well, they're getting a lot of pressure now, so they might start opening up the excavation of it.

And they did a lot of stupid shit, like they covered it with olive trees

for some reason.

Yeah, like I think because olive trees are protected, so

if they covered it with olive trees, you couldn't dig into the ground, you couldn't remove the olive trees.

It was like a way to stop people from looking around.

Interesting.

Yeah, but now they realize that the olive trees, the roots, are actually destroying the artifacts that are underneath.

So now they're pulling the olive trees and there's discussions about continuing the excavations.

I got off on a giant kick one time reading about giant.

And it's like anytime the Smithsonian got involved,

it's just shut down.

The giant stuff is weird because there's a lot of documentation of people finding giants like enormous

10, 15 foot tall humans.

And then there's also the Nephilim in the Bible that are giants that consumed everything.

were, I mean, David and Goliath.

There's giants in the Bible.

And it makes you think, like, okay, is it a giant like the mountain from the Game of Thrones?

You know, like,

maybe.

Because people were shorter and relatively back then.

Right, but probably some people weren't.

Yeah.

If they lived in some places where they had more resources and better genes.

Pituitary gland problems, you know, where you have guys 7'11 plus, you know.

Yep, but this seems different.

The giants in the Bible and the giants in historical accounts, it seems different.

It seems like it was a totally different species of human.

And again, if we just found this guy recently that's a million years old, and now we know.

So forever they were saying that human beings, I mean, the timeline used to be Homo sapiens emerged 50,000 years ago, and then they moved it to 150, then they moved it to 250, 300.

It is as they find more information.

Now they have to push it to a million.

You know, and if one day they find a fucking head as big as this table, like, what do they do?

What do they do about that?

Do they even tell us?

I don't think they're going to be able to do that.

I don't think they're going to do that.

But why wouldn't they?

That's what's weird.

Like, why wouldn't they?

Isn't that crazy?

But we all agree.

We all agree that if they did find a giant, they probably wouldn't tell us.

Yeah.

Not until they did their own,

you know, figured it out for themselves or tested on what they wanted.

Well, if they'd want people to know, but I don't know why they wouldn't want people to know.

Like,

why am I convinced that they would hide that?

Well, if there is Antichrist on his way and his goal, he already knows he lost.

So his goal at this point is just to destroy as much as possible, you know, get as many souls as possible.

And finding stuff like that that would prove the Bible more true would turn more people to Christianity or to God, the one true God, then I could see where if there is like some type of spiritual force that is in somewhat control, then I could see that's the only way I can make sense of it.

It's like, why cover up progress?

Why not tell people the truth?

Well, I think it's ego, and that might be also related to good and evil in a lot of ways.

Loving yourself, and you're supposed to love God over yourself.

Right, and being the person that has the knowledge and the person that distributes that knowledge and is the gatekeeper of it is a very intoxicating thing for a lot of these academics.

And if all of a sudden something comes along,

and this is the speculation about what happened with the Smithsonian, that they took that stuff and just fucking tucked it away.

I would think they would timber bones.

They would want to have, you know, secretly do their own tests without anybody knowing about it.

I know, but you're not sure.

But to what end?

At one point in time.

Before everybody else knows, they would already have the answers.

I don't know.

But wouldn't there be a time where someone would want to like

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God is above you, and you serve God.

And if you can keep people away from God,

you're that much more susceptible to being a slave to something else.

Yeah, like whatever,

whatever evidence or anything that kind of proves that God exists.

Yeah, anything that's going to prove God's existence, I think that's going to be the main thing they shut down.

Right, right.

Like the Shroud of Turin is an excellent example.

Yeah, yeah, that's a good one.

That one's an interesting one.

That's a weird one, man.

That's a weird one.

There's a lot of people that go out of their way to try to disprove it.

But when you get into the dating of the cloth, so it used to be they were saying that it was only a few hundred years old, but now they're saying that the way the cloth is made,

the cloth is made that's exactly consistent with the time that Jesus was alive, and that more tests need to be done to find out the exact age of it.

Because the problem is like you don't know what piece they studied, and you're not studying the entire thing.

And also the image of it is bizarre because the image of it, you really only see Jesus when it's a negative of it.

And they don't know how that image was put on there.

It wasn't stained.

It wasn't burned on there.

They don't know what caused it.

It's like a blast of radiation.

Yes, right.

Somebody recreated it with gamma radiation, I think.

But the only problem, so it would just be,

it would need a, it would need to be an extreme source of light to do that.

But the only problem is that would have vaporized, the heat from the light would have have vaporized it realistically.

So they're wondering, well, if light did do it, how was there no heat?

Right.

So if Christ did raise and pass through it, there's also X-ray images in the Shroud, apparently.

Well, you see this, when you see the Shroud in negative, like Jamie, pull up an image of it.

It's very strange.

Like, it shows the lash marks on his body.

It shows his facial features.

It shows the holes where his wrist is, where he was crucified.

It's very strange stuff.

Because, like, for someone to do that as a hoax and to just not paint it, just to do it in some very weird

go to that, yeah, that one right where your cursor is over that, make that big.

They've recently said it's fake.

They've recently said it's fake.

They go back and forth on that.

The thing is, like, who is the person who's they?

Right?

The Catholic Church is who.

What's that, Jamie?

It says they've been debunking it for 650 years.

Well, but 650 years ago, they didn't even have carbon dating.

So what were they doing to debunk it back then?

There's a bunch of people that want to debunk it.

What does it say?

A document?

Well, they were talking about, I mean, I don't know.

Well, they talked about it being bullshit.

Yeah, I've always said that.

The thing is, people, I'm sure,

called bullshit on it a long time ago.

People have talked about ways that some of that stuff could have been done.

Sure, but how would someone figure out that 500, 1,000, 2,000 years ago, whatever it is?

It could have been 300, 200, 150 years ago.

Sure.

60 years ago.

Well, it's 650 years.

If they've been debunking it for 650 years, you've got to assume it's at least 650 years old.

So the thing is, like, see, it's been dated between 1355 and 1382.

The text was, the document.

The text.

What text?

That we're talking about here, not the shroud.

What is the text about?

Medieval documents revealed that the authenticity of the shroud that many believe wrapped and crucified was being called into question perhaps as early as 1355.

Okay, well, that means that it existed 1355.

Yeah.

Description, depictions by clergymen.

See, it's hard.

Deceptions.

Oh, excuse me.

Deceptions by clergymen.

His writings now considered the oldest written rejection of the relic predate the previous earliest documented criticism by the bishop of Troyes, Pierre d'Arsis, in 1389.

So either way, we know it's at least 600 plus years old, and we know that the way that it was put on there was not stained, it was not painted.

It's very strange.

And if you look at it like that, they didn't even know that until they came up with photography, until they could take an image of it and make it a negative, they didn't see the face of Jesus and all the depictions.

It's like this image right here is like you look at that, the Shroud of Turin, like, yeah, I could say call bullshit, whatever.

But then you see the negative, I go back to those other images.

So this is what it looks like when you run it through, when you use modern photography and turn it to a negative.

That's really weird that this wasn't,

that they didn't know about this in the 1300s.

Yeah.

A new study says it's something else.

So they're going to have studies forever that debunk it.

And one thing that academics love to do, they love to call everybody retarded.

Everybody's an idiot.

This is all fake.

This is bullshit.

But whatever that is, man, when you're just go back to the negative ones, the one that you just had, the one down, yeah, Yeah, that one, please.

That's weird as fuck to me, man.

That's weird as fuck that it didn't, you couldn't see it normally, and you only see it when they make a negative of it.

That is so strange that someone would go out of their way to fake something in that way where it only exists in a negative, and they don't even know how it happened.

Right, exactly.

They don't know how to.

I mean, they're saying they could reproduce it today, but I don't think anybody has.

And also, how are we going to reproduce it to such an extent with so much detail that

matches the biblical depiction of the crucifixion?

Yeah.

Including the holes in the wrist, the lash marks on his back,

the wound in his side.

It's all really weird.

At the very least, it's fascinating.

At the very least, it's fascinating.

I mean, it's really interesting stuff.

To me, that...

Seeing that, I really don't even care how old people think it is.

Figure out how they did that first.

To me, it's like like if this is not only that, how'd they do that 600 fucking years ago or 2,000 years ago or whatever really, whatever age it actually is.

I seen one article last year where they found dirt particles that matched, you know,

they trace back to Jerusalem.

So

it's

like I say, they've been debunking it and saying it's authentic and debunking it, it seems like for the last five or ten years now.

Oh, it's very weird stuff.

It's just where are we at right now with it?

That one church in Ethiopia that's supposed to have the Ark of the Covenant there.

And all the people that guard it, they all get cataracts and they wind up dying of radiation.

You ever heard of that?

I don't know about that because the Ark of the Covenant was when God the Father's presence was here on earth, not through Jesus.

In the Old Testament, the I am was down here, and that's what he resided in.

And you had to do all these things to be in his presence, or you would literally just

die because, you know, he's holy.

And to me, it's like lightness and dark cannot exist in the the same place.

So you whatever.

But

God the Father's presence isn't there anymore, so I don't understand why it would still be messing people up.

But we don't know what they were writing down.

The problem with all of ancient, all ancient religious texts, let's assuming there was real events.

The problem is a lot of these things were told as an oral tradition for 100, 500, 1,000 years before they were ever even written down.

And then they write them down.

They write them down in Aramaic, they write them down in Hebrew, they write them, and then they have to translate it.

And they translate it to Greek and Latin and then eventually English.

You're missing a lot along the way.

When I read these things, when I read the Bible or if I read the book of Enoch or any of these ancient texts,

I'm always trying to say, okay,

what were they trying to document?

Like, what was the original event?

Like, what actually happened?

And forget the problem is, people are really bad at telling the truth.

Like, human beings, when they see something fantastic, they always add their own little flavor to it.

People add their own little thing to it.

If they are of a certain belief, they're going to attach that belief to whatever this thing was.

So

it's no question that these people held whatever that was in such high regard, and it meant so much to them that they, like, like the book of Isaiah, where it's verbatim, that they wrote it verbatim for a thousand years.

Back when they started out, they were writing things down on animal skins.

That's one of the things about the Dead Sea Scrolls that's so fascinating is they had to do genetic testing.

So they're writing these things down on these animal skins, and they had to make sure that the skin of this one is the same cow as the skin of this one.

So if they do genetic testing to make sure it's the same cow skin, and so okay, we got all the skin from this cow, and it's in this group of text, so start

decoding it.

That's an interesting way of doing it.

That's wild.

It's wild.

I would have never thought of that.

Like Wes Huff said, how they used to write things.

Like, they'd leave stuff out back then because it wasn't required back then.

They would just write down the basics.

I watched that Wes Huff thing, and that was very interesting.

Very.

He's fascinating.

He's brilliant, man.

I've watched a bunch of stuff on him.

Very, very brilliant.

But it's also, again, what were they trying to document?

It's clearly something was going on back then.

Something happened.

Did you ever read that story?

It was somewhere in the Bible.

I can't remember where.

It's in the Old Testament.

Somebody stole the ark.

Well, some tribe stole the ark.

And like the next day,

the next morning, like everybody was dead from stealing the ark.

And they pretty much said, hey, come get this thing and take it back.

We don't want it.

Well, that's what people believe is in this church in Ethiopia.

You know, because there's these Ethiopian Jews who also, their Bible is the book of Enoch.

Yeah, do we have an image of this?

No, no, you can't see it.

Nobody can get.

I say, send in the seals.

We need a fucking seal team.

I don't know what the fuck is in there, bro.

Put these guys in hazmat suits and let's get to the bottom.

You got it.

It's going to be ours.

Well, yeah, you would imagine.

We're going to take it.

I'd like to see one.

I don't know at all.

Well, what would happen with remote viewers if remote viewing is real?

Get remote viewers in a room.

We have talked about that before.

My brother is big on like he went down a remote viewing rabbit hole.

He was big on it.

I thought it was 100% horseshit about 10 years ago.

What about the submarine?

The sovereign time.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, the submarine's big.

The one, they found the Soviet submarine that they were building.

They knew the exact location.

Not just that, remote viewers found a downed aircraft that was in Siberia.

They located it within a three-mile radius.

They found it.

They knew where it was.

And the United States went in and got it before the Soviet Union could.

Using remote viewers to do it.

Yeah, using remote viewers.

Like, they've got actionable information from remote viewers, allegedly.

Allegedly.

Allegedly.

To me,

it feels like we could, it's just to scare the Soviets.

Like, oh, we got, we got people with superpowers.

We know where the submarine is.

Or they're doing it too.

Or they're doing it too.

Or is this something that people realize that there is a developing aspect of human consciousness or an aspect of human consciousness that used to exist that we forgot that we don't know how to do anymore?

One of those things.

Yeah.

That's an interesting concept, yeah.

It is, because the remote viewer thing, they spent a fuckload of money on that, and they kept that program going on for a long, long time.

And, you know, I don't know what they discovered or what they didn't.

You know, it's unless you're in the room with the people that have the top, top, top secret information, who knows?

That whole Cold War time is also just wild.

I think it was, I see why we would have faked a lot of stuff.

Sure.

On both sides.

Oh, for a big bluff, a bluff game of we can do this, we have this.

Yep.

Yep.

Andy just started believing in

us getting to the moon.

Well, once we went to,

yeah, once we went to NASA in Texas, but also that documentary, the other footage that came out, I don't really know.

I could see why we would fake it.

I mean, it's Soviets.

Yeah, I just want to beat them.

It's the U.S.

government.

We'd

fake anything.

Let's go ahead.

I'm sorry.

No, go ahead.

I was saying for a while, though, before that documentary came out, the story was, oh, we lost the footage.

We lost all of it.

And it's like, did they just wait for technology to progress to be able to make a convincing documentary?

Well, they definitely lost the footage.

They lost all the original copies of the film.

So all the original film was gone.

What you're seeing is just copies of copies.

They also lost the telemetry data, which is a real problem.

That's

the hard data, the binary data that shows the distance and the craft and how far it was.

It just seems fake.

It seems fake when you watch it.

That's what's weird to me.

It seems totally hokey.

It looks fake as shit.

And then the weird one for me is the Apollo 11 post-flight press conference.

Those guys look like a hostage video.

It doesn't look real at all.

And then there's Neil Armstrong, who gave that very bizarre, cryptic speech at the 25th anniversary of the Apollo moon landing.

There's a lot of weirdness to them.

And the fact that we haven't been back.

There's not a single thing that's not cheaper, easier, and faster to reproduce from 1969 in 2025 except the moon landing.

Yeah, it's just weird.

Like, if it is true, I've seen a video of something that was supposedly live streamed on the news back then, and it was just this guy who was obviously hanging from a cable, and he had this pathetic-looking earth under him.

You know, and it's not at all what actual space looks like now, but this was like on the news, apparently.

Well, that's probably not real.

That was probably an artist rendition or recreation.

But how about the phone call?

Nixon is calling the guys from the.

Hey, fellas, I hear you're on the moon.

Yes, sir, we're on the moon.

I can't even get fucking cell phone service in my bathroom.

What else do you do?

What's their explanation for how

those reflectors got up there?

Well, first of all, the Russians put reflectors as well.

So you can definitely remotely place reflectors.

The other problem is the moon itself reflects.

So there's a lot of weird arguments about that.

I could see how you could say, oh, there's reflectors, and that would indicate that people were there.

Show us the flag.

Do we not have a...

Can we point James Webb over there?

No, no, no, no.

That's deep space.

It's a different thing.

You would have to get a different kind of technology that's just to zoom in on the moon, and they would go, why would we do that?

Why would we spend billions and billions of dollars to prove something that rational people think definitely happened?

It's a lot of people that would have to hold a secret, too.

Not really.

You don't think so?

No, because it's compartmentalized.

It's compartmentalized.

The only people that would really need to know are the people who made the footage, the people that are involved in the filming, and the actual astronauts themselves.

Everybody else, you're getting fed data.

Okay.

Yeah, you think they would believe that it's happening.

Yeah, not only that, when the first time when Apollo 11 happened, they weren't allowed to get a direct feed from

NASA.

So what they did was they used a projection screen, and then all the news cameras pointed their cameras at the projection screen.

That's why it looks like shit.

Like the first Apollo 11 video looks so bad.

But it seems like that was on purpose.

Like they made it look like shit on purpose.

Interesting.

And if you wanted to gain

technological and

ethical and moral superiority over the evil communists, you could see why you would make some sort of a rationalization.

Why you should fake that we have the ability to go to the moon.

Because the ability to go to the moon is not just scientific, it's military.

Yeah.

It's a military might.

Like we have the best rockets.

We have the best this.

We have the best.

We got the best.

We went to the moon.

We definitely did it.

So it just makes sense that they would fake it.

And the blow of Sputnik flying over the United States, and everybody could see it.

It's like,

we can put this right above your country.

That was a flex.

I'm just saying

if they were giving people LSD and brothels, I could see them fake all the moonlights.

Yeah, 100%.

Most of the time.

I'm not 100%.

Most of the United States history is full shit.

At least some aspect of it.

Look, what got us into the Vietnam War.

Gulf of Tonka, never happened.

Full shit.

False flag event.

All throughout history, all throughout the United States history in the 1960s, during the same time where they were supposedly going to the moon, they lied constantly at every fucking turn.

At every turn.

And who's to say they're not still doing that?

It was easier to

trust.

They are.

They 100% are.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Look, I know people in government that will tell you.

They'll look, put your phone down, let's go for a walk.

And they'll tell you.

And you're like, what?

Yeah.

That would be, that won't that.

Those conversations are strange.

One of my favorite things is the pizza ordering at the Pentagon.

Oh, yeah.

When shit starts to go down, the spike in pizza ordering because people are working late.

Yeah.

Interesting.

Very weird.

And it just spiked.

I saw, I think, a couple weeks ago because I brought it up.

I was like, I got a notification.

It's like, pizza spiked.

I know.

People start.

I think we're going to war.

It was at a time, it was at a high that was like the Panama stuff, Vietnam.

Isn't that funny?

It's pizza deliveries is what freaks everybody out.

Oh, they're working late.

They're working late.

They're ordering 50.

And now they just called all the generals together.

Have you seen that?

Yeah, Hag Seth did.

But supposedly, what they're doing is giving, they want, get all the generals together and give them some sort of a moral and ethical mandate.

Yeah.

Like preparedness.

This is what we want the military to be.

No more beards and stuff.

No more fucking politics and

no more identity politics and bullshit.

The most important thing is be ready.

Be ready.

Have the best, most capable military that's humanly possible given the resources that we have today.

This is what our

goal is.

This is what our job is.

And they needed to call everybody together to do that.

Well, you saw what the fuck was going on over the last four years.

You got guys in dresses talking about how it's really important to have inclusiveness.

It's the most important thing about the military is inclusivity.

We had crazy people that were in charge of very important positions, including that guy that was stealing women's clothes.

That guy was in charge of fucking nuclear waste, and he's running around stealing people's underwear.

Anti-race.

With lipstick and a bald head, just not just stealing, but he stole this one lady who was like a famous designer.

It was a one-off dress, and then he wore it.

That's how he got busted.

He wore it to some event, and the lady was like, hey, motherfucker, that's mine.

Like, someone stole that shit from the airport.

And that's how he got busted.

This is a South Park episode.

Yeah, it is a South Park episode.

Is it?

Is it a South Park episode?

No, but we live in a South Park episode.

We do.

Yeah, we do.

It's getting wild, man.

It is wild, but it's like, it's always been wild.

And this is one of the good things about Trump being elected and Trump in office is that it kind of threw a monkey because they didn't want MP to be the president.

And it threw a monkey wrench into all these things that they were doing.

And you get to see a lot of these people scramble.

And you get to see, like,

oh, this is, this is, there's so much, like, all the Doge stuff where they uncovered all these NGOs.

That was crazy.

There's an NGO for, I think it's every 600 people in India.

Yeah.

You know how crazy that is?

There's a non-government organization for every, I think it's like five or six hundred people in India.

There's like millions of them.

It doesn't make any sense.

It's crazy.

It's like, what are you doing?

What are you doing?

Elon explained it to me, too.

He said, what you would do is you would make this non-profit and you would call this not, you'd put a bunch of money into it.

it so you like you put like ten million dollar relatively small to to them ten million dollars this thing and call it like

agency for peace center for peace whatever it is and then that becomes a non-government organization and then you get politicians to dump tons of money into this ngo and then through this ngo you profit it's like a shell company yeah and there's a ton of those and there's so many of them they couldn't even keep track of them and the more they dug into it the more they started calling elon a nazi and it just got wild.

They don't like when the elites don't like when the curtain's pulled back.

Well, that was the curtain being pulled back.

That was the curtain being pulled back in a way that most people were not aware.

And when I brought Mike Benz in, and Mike Benz laid it all out, and he was explaining that what U.S.AID was for was the things that were too dirty for the CIA to get involved in.

So a lot of it was like regime change operations.

He was like outlining all these different regime change operations that were all being paid for.

And then your tax dollars are being dumped into these NGOs.

And then people are pulling money out of it and billions of dollars.

It's the world's piggy bank.

Why did they stop digging?

Are they still digging?

Well, I don't know.

Because I know Elon's not in the White House anymore, but it was supposed to be a temporary thing, right?

But it just seems like it all just stopped.

Well, you don't hear about it anymore.

That's true.

But I think it was real problematic.

I mean, they did shut down U.S.

aid, and they turned Elon into a fucking Nazi.

I mean, how many fucking Teslas got key, and tires got slashed, and his business was really troubled by it?

And so he's like, I'm done.

I'm stepping away.

You guys, you didn't follow my instructions.

You didn't follow my recommendations.

So what can I do?

You're ruining my life.

So I'm just going to back out of this.

Go back to building rockets.

So he's just going back to building rockets.

And the thing is, like, they didn't even care that he rescued those people from the fucking space station, which was wild.

Like, no one wanted to give him credit.

No one wanted to say thank you.

No.

They're like, no, he's a Nazi.

People I know were calling him a Nazi because he spazzed out and went, my heart goes out to you.

Oh, yeah, we make fun of that all the time.

Crazy.

Yeah, someone just took a steel image, you know.

The guy literally has a chain around his neck that was given to him by one of the mothers of one of the hostages in Israel that says, bring them all home.

Yeah.

He wears it around his neck.

That's what a Nazi does?

Like, are you fucking kidding me?

You think he's a Nazi?

There's no evidence that he's a Nazi other than one hand movement.

Yeah.

That's it?

Well, it's like the whole rights being called Nazis.

Like,

why are we throwing that word around?

Well, that word doesn't mean anything when everybody's a Nazi.

It's like, it's so stupid.

It's just overplayed that hand.

It started off being pretty strong and having a lot of weight, but now, you know, it's just like

they use it all the time.

Yeah.

Everybody's a Nazi, and then if you're not, you're a communist.

I mean, it's just.

Communists are real.

Everything's so extreme right now.

I think Nazis are real, too?

That's the part of the problem.

When you call everybody a Nazi, well, the problem is that word gets overused, and now legitimate Nazis can just operate with impunity.

Like, they're real.

There's legit Nazis out there.

Yeah, yeah, and then they wouldn't even really know what a Nazi is at that point.

It's squirrely.

It's squirrely as fuck.

And the government just is too big.

It's too big.

There's too much going on, and you can only do so much to make it effective.

And so this administration has four years, and who knows what they're going to be able to get done or not get done.

And there's a lot of things they're doing that make people very upset, like all the ICE stuff and the raids.

You see Ice Cubes

bus?

Tour bus?

Have you seen that?

No.

They burnt his bus down.

Portland, the Antifa people burnt

ice cubes.

Ice cubes.

Because they thought it was an ice bus.

They thought it was an ice bus?

You haven't seen this?

No.

Oh, yeah.

I didn't mean to interrupt you on it, but it just hit me.

I saw that a couple days ago.

It's so stupid.

Brilliant.

So stupid.

Yeah, burned it to the ground.

Is there a reaction video?

Oh, I would love to see Ice Cube's reaction.

Bro, Portland is wild.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

You guys tour in Portland?

Yeah, we actually had a good show there, but when you

were so happy.

It is zombie apocalypse.

And we were just another one's San Francisco.

We never, first time for us going to San Francisco was about a month ago, and it was, we were in whatever they call the Tenderloin, and it is

a madhouse.

There's people blowing up fireworks, some homeless people blowing up these fireworks in the middle of the night on the street.

Me and Drew's just watching them out the window.

We're watching crime happen.

Yeah, San Francisco is pretty buckwild.

And then the mayor came out and said, We're making a declaration: no one can sleep on the street.

You can no longer loiter.

You can only do that.

And then go look at San Francisco right now.

It's exactly the same.

This is talk.

Is San Francisco where they cleaned up the Chinese president?

The Chinese president?

Because Xi Jinping was in town.

And then

Newsome said, well, when you have visitors over, you clean up your house.

Yeah.

Bitch, why don't you just keep your fucking house clean?

Why you got shit on your floor?

100%.

Human shit all over your streets.

Yeah, man.

That's the question that everybody needs to be asking.

But this is the question.

It's possible.

If I wanted to ruin society and get it to a point where everybody you needed to control things because it got so chaotic that you could institute some sort of a digital ID and institute social credit score, that's how you would do it.

I mean, I'm not saying that that's what they're doing, but that's how I would do it.

What I would do is I would just let people out of jail the moment they do anything, let them camp on the streets, give them money for drugs,

just let it go crazy, and then have everybody like scrambling.

Please take away our freedom to give us safety.

Yeah.

And then boom.

Well, you can't blame people for asking these kinds of questions when you go to other countries and it's safe to walk around at night and it's a pretty clean city.

It's like,

why don't we have this?

You know, you can't blame a society for asking those kinds of questions from their leaders.

Why are you allow and why did you just clean up for a foreign government to come visit, which is cool or whatever, but you proved that you could.

Yeah.

And then like, why why don't we just have that all the time?

Yeah.

I think there needs to be more stuff directed towards mental health.

A lot of those homeless people and people on drugs is,

some of them are like mentally ill.

100%.

But

we don't have any treatment for people like that hardly.

Well, it all skyrocketed during the Reagan administration because they changed

the laws in terms of

what you're supposed to do when someone's mentally ill.

And they're just like, let them loose.

Let's stop paying for it.

Yeah.

Yeah, we need to do the insane asylums anymore or anything.

But then again, you hear stories about it.

Yeah,

that's not good either.

You would hope we'd have some good ones.

But it's just like some people

are out there with no family.

Right.

There's like, you know, kids, their family died when they were 18 and they're they're not mentally able to function in society.

They've been homeless for 20 years.

100%.

We need a place for people like that.

Yes, 100%.

I have a very, very close family member right now that's homeless and mentally ill and is

that's all I want, man, is for people to like, we need, I don't know what needs to happen, but

we need to get these people help.

100%,

yeah, 100%, and that should be something that we do spend money on.

I'll roll tax dollars to go to something like that.

Yeah, yeah,

everybody, right or left, everybody would.

You want people to get a chance.

I mean, the best stories ever are people that had, they're they were in the gutter, like living on the streets, and now all of a sudden they're helping people, they run some sort of a non-profit food kitchen, and they're helping people get clean, and they found life's purpose.

And, you know, running, you know, whether it is some sort of of a religious class or something that gives people hope and gives people something that, you know, then they can tell you, like, hey, I used to be where you are, and now I'm not, and now I'm helping people.

Like, right or left, like, this divide that we have in this country, most of it's bullshit.

And most of it is, like, it's engineered.

It's engineered to keep us at each other's throats so they can keep getting away with all this nonsense.

Yeah.

And we keep eating it up.

Mm-hmm.

Oh, yeah.

And doubling down.

It could be like

if the president said, don't go buy, or something about bananas.

Yeah.

You go, everybody should have a banana today.

The left would never eat another banana in the city.

Look at this Tylenol.

Or the Tylenol thing.

Look at this Tylenol.

Tylenol said in 2017, we actually don't recommend you take our product.

But to see people in 2017, they said.

Yeah.

Well, not only that, two years ago, Johnson and Johnson separated from Tylenol.

Tylenol became its own

company.

Whoa.

Which is probably like they saw it coming down the pipe and they're like, hey, they're jumping.

Well, here's what's really crazy.

A lot of fucking crazy leftist women started taking Tylenol to own JFK or RFK Jr.

and Trump.

And a bunch of them died of liver toxicity.

Because they took it too much.

Yeah.

I knew it was going to happen.

I love TikTok.

Pregnant women just taking Tylenol just out of spite.

It's crazy.

It's crazy.

Why let something dictate your life that much?

You know?

Because a lot of people are nuts, man.

A lot of people just don't have any critical thinking skills and they're in a cult.

Then you find a hobby.

They're in a cult.

Whether they're in a MAGA cult or they're in a leftist cult, they're in a fucking cult.

And they're all in on one side or the other side.

And I think humanity exists in the middle.

And humanity exists in the middle where you're supposed to be able to talk about ideas.

And you're supposed to say, well, what's a good for just overall society?

like mental health institutions, like giving people some sort of a chance to become a productive member of society.

Like all there's a lot of things that we all agree on.

And we need to find common ground and instead of like fighting and instead of polarizing people.

And this is one of the problems that I have with this administration is that they're really good at like pointing fingers at the other side and polarizing and really bad at uniting us all and not attacking the other side and just uniting us and bringing us together.

What was the last administration that was good at uniting, in your opinion?

Ooh.

Or has it always been a divorce?

Well, Well, it's kind of always been like that.

But maybe the Clinton administration, maybe the first one.

Yeah.

Maybe Clinton.

Yeah, everybody.

On the same team for at least a year.

He was pretty divisive.

Oh, he was super divisive before that.

That's for damn sure.

It was an outside influence.

But it's also, it's like, what did they do with that

unitedness?

They forced us into a war over a bullshit premise.

I mean, that just shows you what they're really willing to do if they have everybody's will.

If they have everybody on their side, like, okay, great, let's invade Iraq.

Let's lie about the war on terrorism.

Yeah, exactly.

They go anywhere with nuclear weapons.

Well, that's all I have to do.

They hate us for our freedom.

Oh, no.

Go fuck them up.

And take their oil.

Yeah, exactly.

It's kind of crazy, but we always fall for it.

And hopefully we fall for it less and less every year.

But it doesn't seem like it when you see pregnant ladies chewing Tylenol.

Yeah.

We're in a crazy time.

Again, that's what the song touches on.

We're actually going to put it out October 3rd because of it.

I listened to it in the gym today.

To people hating?

Yeah.

I like it.

I love it.

I love the whole album.

It's really great.

Just jaded on it, man.

Tired of people hating each other.

Oh, it's sick.

It's sick and it's unnecessary.

And you don't get much time, folks.

You don't get much time in this life.

You get 100 years if you're lucky.

And you're going to waste it fighting ideological battles on Twitter and Facebook.

Like, what are you doing?

Yeah.

You know, and you're trapped.

You're trapped on your phone.

You're trapped checking to see how people are engaging with your latest outrage tweet.

I can't.

I cannot, dude.

I cannot look at the comments.

And I think I learned that from you.

Yeah, post and ghost.

Post and ghost, baby.

I just, like, I've seen some of these things, and I know it's all bullshit.

Like, somebody's just coming on here to rile me up.

But, like, David 36907.

Yeah.

It's like so many of them.

On the inside, it kind of gets to you a little bit.

Oh, yeah.

And I just don't

rather not.

Yeah.

He's a comment reader.

Dude, he'd love it.

I eat it up, son.

Keep doing it.

Yeah, I don't care.

Really?

I wouldn't be doing this if I cared about people's opinion.

You know what I mean?

But you do care about good people's opinions.

Yeah.

You just don't care about all of people's opinions.

I don't care about the negative opinions because I'm not doing it for God, pretty much.

But I mean, anytime I post a cover song, sorry, not Waylon.

Sorry, nobody will ever be George Jones.

Wasn't trying to be.

Just singing the songs, not that deep.

Johnny Cash will never be nine-inch nails.

You know, he made it hurt.

It's just a different thing, man.

You can enjoy it without saying that.

But there's a lot of people that are just negative.

And it's why?

It's because their life sucks.

Do you think Michael Jordan leaves YouTube comments?

No.

Because he's a fucking winner.

You know what I mean?

That's really what it is.

It's like a lot of our society, their main contribution is bitching.

You know, that's what they spend most of their energy on.

We want to keep it about music, man.

Good for you, man.

There's a lot of drama in the world.

And we if somebody tried tried to start drama with us, us, I don't even know if we would even reply.

It's a fake place.

You think I'm going to waste my time arguing with you on social media?

You know, I'm not.

Cool.

That's what you think.

It's one of the few things that we have that really reunites us.

You know, really does.

You can get people of all persuasions, all different kinds of backgrounds, just love a good song.

That's universal.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's weird about social media, too, is the algorithm.

Like,

someone left-leaning will have a completely different comment section than someone right-leaning.

Oh, yeah.

Living in an echo chat.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

And that's really bad because then you think, look,

and then when the election happens, you're like, what?

What is going on?

How do you not think the way I think?

Yeah.

Yeah.

We're all people, man.

Yeah, I just wish someone would come along that was a great uniter, and hopefully they won't get shot.

Yeah.

Jeez.

Jesus.

Well, maybe it would.

They killed him first, though.

Yeah,

they did it back then, too.

Yeah.

If Jesus did come back today, boy, would that be fascinating?

Like, see, just to see how people are.

Oh, God.

Oh, God.

Actually, I believe.

I'm sorry.

It would be relieving, honestly.

Could you imagine, though?

Like,

I don't know.

I don't want to throw shade on anybody, but just dying.

It's like, oh, God, dang it.

They were right.

I know, I know.

I'll see myself out of the way.

Just go ahead and walk out and walk the other way.

Right.

You get to the pearly gates, you're like, no shit.

Really?

Yeah.

And then St.

Peter's like, come here.

Talk to you about some pluralists.

See, for me,

oh, dude, I didn't know.

If I knew, I would have never done all this stuff.

I would have never lied about my taxes.

I would have never done any of those things.

It's a little late then.

I'll have to make a stop at Purgatory on the way.

That's where I'll be.

We make that joke.

Yeah, dude.

I'll be there eventually.

But music is the great uniter.

Andrew's the only Catholic in the band.

Oh, so it's like, again, we believe in purgatory?

Yeah.

But we coexist.

Yeah.

we have like a little random Bible study that pops up.

We just talk about the Bible.

I pull out my catechism.

You know.

It's fun.

I'm just going to be laughing at you because

God probably will send you to a purgatory because you believed in it.

Hey, he might be sending you.

We don't know.

We'll know when we get there.

I'll see y'all in that.

Well, when was Catholicism established?

With Jesus Christ, when he was crucified.

That's when it was started?

Yeah, he told Saint Peter, I'll build on top of you.

You are the rock I will build my church on.

You know where his bones are?

In the Vatican.

Underneath St.

Peter's Basilica.

Interesting.

The Vatican's got a lot of stuff.

St.

Peter's Basilica.

Just went for my honeymoon.

Insane.

It was, even if you're not Catholic, just going there, they have a whole museum is insane.

Are we going in Europe?

No, that's down in Rome.

We won't make it that far.

Well, either way, Rome is a pretty bizarre little guy, too.

But there is nothing,

there's nothing like St.

Peter's Basilica.

It is, it's like,

by the way, how crazy is it that Rome is its own country?

How crazy is that?

Yeah, they have their own, it's a country, it's like 50 acres or some shit.

The Vatican, yeah, the Vatican, the Vatican, rather, excuse me, not Rome, and you have to wait in line, yeah, you have to wait in line to enter in the morning when we went, but the Vatican being its own country is so strange, and then you get in and you're like, this might be the richest country ever.

Yeah, like, look at all the art.

They have so much art.

There's so much art.

It's just

St.

Peter's Basilica.

Whatever you believe, if you go to that, you'll be awestruck.

It's literally, like, you walk in and

you're just covered.

You're blown away.

And didn't it take like four or five hundred years to make?

I'm sure.

I'm sure.

Oh, yeah.

I mean, this was all people with no computers and no power drills.

Yeah, man.

No power saws.

Like, how?

How dedicated were you, motherfuckers?

I will say that's some of my favorite memories of Europe last year was seeing cathedrals, how beautiful they are.

It kind of screwed up.

They were like charging people at the door.

No, that was

Anglican.

Anglican.

It wasn't Catholic, no.

Catholics.

Look at that.

You can enter.

Anglican will charge you.

And when you see it, the photos are beautiful, but being there in person, you realize the scale of it all.

And it's almost impossible.

It's impossible to imagine the dedication and the craftsmanship that was involved in making something so impossible.

And there's a whole crip underneath with all the.

It's like we moved backwards.

How did stuff stop being beautiful?

That's a good question.

Construction methods got much more convenient.

You see a picture of a train from back in the day?

How like just beautiful a public train used to be?

Oh, yeah.

Old cars are just

economy seating from like the 1960s.

I wish I could have looked amazing.

They were smoking cigarettes on the marpa.

They were turning up back then on flights, dude.

Yeah.

They were smoking cigarettes in couches.

They had these big-ass seats.

Everybody looked relaxed.

Rappers don't even do that now.

I mean, they were like living it up back then.

Yeah, they were living it up up.

I really couldn't imagine sitting on an airplane next to somebody smoking a cigarette.

Oh, when I was a kid, they smoked on planes.

It has to be suffocating, right?

That was horrible.

And if you got a ticket late, you had to sit in the smoking section.

So you're in the back of the bus or the back of the plane.

And if you had to go to the toilet, you had to go past all the people smoking.

Wow.

Look at that.

That's economy seating.

That looks nice.

Turbulence.

No wonder people are so depressed nowadays.

Well, they did have seat belts, didn't they?

They don't look like they don't look like they do.

No, it doesn't look like they do.

They have all our luggage.

You might die.

Well, the luggage is in overhead compartments.

They still have overhead compartments.

They look pretty shallow.

Yeah, those are overhead compartments.

No lights.

People probably travel air.

Do you think that's fake?

It might be AI-generated.

They might be bullshitting us.

But there are definitely real shows.

Eight-year-old posts on Red Hat.

I think it's legit.

Yeah.

I've seen that.

747 from the 1960s.

Is there like a stand-up bar?

Didn't they have like a stand-up bar section where you walk around and go get a drink?

So that's a different size plane, though.

747, yeah.

But it depends on where you're going and how far you're flying.

There's no overhead storage, it looks like.

Most people look like they're having a good old time, though, on those planes.

They were actually talking to each other.

Look at the colors of the seats.

And by the way, the stewardesses were hot.

Yeah.

It was like hot stewardesses.

You had to be hot to be a stewardess back then.

Yeah, weird.

Also, what happened to fashion?

These people are dressed up very nice on an airplane.

And now we're, you know, people are showing up in yoga pants.

People used to dress up.

Yoga pants.

That's first class.

Don't be hating on yoga pants, bro.

I should have worn mine, dang it.

Sorry.

But it went well with your chain.

And the mustache.

Nothing but like shirtless, chain, mustache.

Although while people were calling me a lesbian, yeah, Yeah, Theobon comments coming back.

People were like, oh, he looks like Matthew McConaughey.

I was like, dang, were they talking about me?

And they're like, then it was Brandon.

They're like, who's this mustache lesbian that keeps talking?

I was like, dang.

What did I do?

Yeah, what did I do?

Well, people will find a way to get you.

Yeah, I don't read those.

I just have Brandon send me screenshots.

Because you get in there, right?

Yeah, my feelings will get hurt.

Man.

I get a lot of Elvis like, oh, he looks like Elvis.

He looks like elvis that's why i won't do karate because that's just the next thing they'll just tack on oh he's doing karate like elvis

i'm just like yeah it's a good thing to get out your aggression though it's a good thing to calm yourself i want to do something man i want to do boxing yeah do some muay thai have some guy hold pads for you if you started out with shotokan you know yeah get some guy to hold pads for you when you're on the road drew drews here down 40 plus pounds in the last how long uh it's

i'd say about 10 months really that's great what'd you do I fasted.

So I did like 16-hour fasts pretty much every day.

Okay.

Intermittent fasting.

Nice.

Just that alone.

Isn't that amazing?

Dude, 30 pounds by itself.

Yeah.

And then I started working out a few weeks ago, and I've just been doing it like every single day.

Don't you feel a million times better?

1,000%.

Isn't that crazy?

Like, you want to tell people, I know it sucks to start.

Yeah.

Starting something is hard to do.

Changing the habits of your life are very hard to do.

But if you could do it, God, you'll feel so much better.

Yeah.

I mean, like, I can't even go a day without running the brains.

Really?

It feels like I will feel bad.

Isn't that incredible?

Yeah, dude.

I love it so much.

And you think about the time where you felt bad all the time, and that was your base state.

Yeah, that's a lot of people that are complaining online, too.

There's a lot of people that just are uncomfortable just walking around.

They need to go exercise.

Yeah, they're filled with anxiety and angst.

And you need to get outside and exercise.

Yeah.

Just to fucking do something.

Do something.

Do something.

I mean, mean, it will cure a lot of things, just exercise alone.

I mean, what's 1.25 times better than antidepressants?

Just that alone.

1.25 times better than SSRIs.

Everybody's always, it just blows my mind, even growing up as a kid, all these fat-burning pills and all these shortcuts to lose weight and the Ozempic thing.

It's like

there's no shortcut.

It is diet and exercise.

Yeah.

Lean me, baby.

I think for people that are like morbidly obese, like something that goes empic is

it's going to be the

catalyst of the get you started.

Sometimes it's just getting started.

It's just like getting momentum going where you're doing something positive every day.

And then, you know, next thing you know, it's five days in a row.

Next thing you know, it's a month in a row.

You're like, I'm feeling fucking good.

I got, I really have a good program going on now.

I'm feeling better.

Everything's healthy.

And that's a lot of life is just having positive momentum in the right direction.

We're creatures of habit, and we learn to walk by forming a habit.

And you can form good habits.

You know,

you get to a point where, like you said, man, I didn't get my run in a day.

I feel weird.

And it's like, oh, I need to go to the gym.

I need to fill a pump or something.

You get that habit going, man.

And for some people, it's meditation.

For some people, it's yoga.

But just do something.

Do something.

Do something positive.

Don't just exist.

I hope that for America, we'll get fit again.

Well, that would be nice.

We need that.

I feel like it's

shifting.

I feel like it.

Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of people.

There's a lot of people that are shifting.

Well, I think like with our grandparents, the importance wasn't known yet of how important moving, like if you don't use your joints, you're going to lose them when you're old.

And that's why we have, you know, old people are all slumped over and old.

I hope when our generation gets there, we know how important exercise is.

And when we're 80 years old, we can still run a mile, you know.

Or you just go to the doctor and they give you a new body.

Or that too.

That's probably going to happen.

Stress my legs out.

Yeah.

Get some new knees.

Yeah.

Just take your brain and download it into a new body.

Have they tried the head transplant yet?

They have done a head transplant.

Did it work?

Yeah, no.

The person died, but they kept him alive for a short period of time.

They did it to a dog?

Yeah, and then they, I think they did do it to a person.

That Nazi video of the dog head's weird.

Oh, yeah, it made me feel weird.

Well, the Nazis tried a lot of shit.

They experimented with a lot of shit.

That's what's really dark.

It's like a lot of like medical experiments we found out through the Nazis.

Like spreading intestines across the wall to see how GI tracks work.

Yeah.

Like they were poking on people's brain while they're still active.

It's going to be a smelly room, dude.

Oh, yeah.

I would imagine.

Well, with genetic engineering, hopefully they don't have to do any of that.

But it is going to be weird if you could just choose your body.

Yeah.

You know, like everyone's going to look beautiful.

Everyone's going to be looking like Thor.

You know.

Chris Hemsworth's walking around the world.

It's going to be very strange.

At that point, God's just going to go.

All right, that's it.

Yeah.

Pull on the plug.

Let's go.

Too far.

Yeah.

Maybe.

Me and my wife are looking into IVF right now, and they were

like, do you want to pick a gender?

You can do that.

Yeah.

I mean, if you had your choice, would you want to pick?

And I was like,

that's something you gotta do.

I'm gonna need a week to think about.

And why are you looking into IVF?

Why are you doing that?

So my wife has

scar tissue, and so she had a mass on

one of her fallopian tubes.

Oh, so they have to do it this way.

Yeah.

Well, see, in that way, medical science is brilliant.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And it would be cool if that was covered by insurance.

Yeah, it would be.

There's a program called Carrot now that runs

through our insurance that you can do it on.

Oh, wow.

So it'll

It's quite expensive, though, right?

Isn't it like $30,000 a shot?

Something like that.

And it doesn't always work the first time.

You have to try it again.

Yeah.

My wife puts it as,

you know, your baby's just taking the scenic route.

Because a lot of people feel funny about, they feel funny about getting IBF, but it's like, there's nothing wrong with IBF.

Listen, if it allows you to become a parent, and it's the most rewarding thing in life to become a parent, to me at least.

It changes everything, changes your whole life, changes your perspective on things.

Dave Chappelle said it best to me: said, it didn't just change the amount of love I had, it changed my capacity for love.

Yeah,

yeah.

And if you can give that to people, that's beautiful.

Yeah.

Especially like there's a real population collapse problem.

Yeah, I was going to say that.

Yeah, and a lot of countries, it's real serious.

There's some countries where it's not

some countries where they're overproducing.

It's like,

isn't England like below the rate they need to be?

yeah

Japan is real bad isn't China's upside down too I don't know people I don't know what Japan or China is but I know Japan has a real issue South Korea has a huge issue that's funny I wonder why it's the Asian countries is they work hard they're busting their ass all the time they don't have time to make kids I mean if you're like super dedicated to to work and super disciplined and Korea South Korea in particular is a very disciplined culture very hardworking culture so if they're career oriented and disciplined those are the type of people that have have less kids.

I'd like to see where they're the highest and where they're the lowest and see,

you know, is it like Europe?

Is it Northern Europe producing more children?

I've seen a map of it.

I can't remember what's what, but

it was kind of scary.

There's a lot of poor countries.

Yeah.

'Cause that's how a that's how a a culture disappears over time is low birth rates.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, no doubt.

Yeah, so do your part.

Get that IVF, son.

Have babies.

Have babies.

Any more we should cover?

We good?

I mean,

I think the single coming out October 3rd

was all I wanted to make sure I talked about.

But, I mean, we've talked about a lot.

You guys are fucking great.

I enjoy you very much.

Listen to you guys all the time in the green room.

You're in the green room playlist at the mothership.

Heck yeah.

So we love you guys.

You got to come catch the show sometime.

I would love to.

Did I tell you the story, the Kill Tony story?

No.

So our first time, 2024 was a wild year for us.

Like, we got into Kill Tony and we were loving it and watching it.

And then a couple months later, it's like, you guys want to go see Shane Gillis?

And we were like, yeah.

They got us, like, they pulled us up backstage.

And as soon as we get out of the van, Tony's sitting there smoking a cigarette.

He's like, hey, what's up, guys?

See, guys.

And so we were starstruck immediately.

And then met Shane.

And we kind of felt like Shane didn't know who we were.

So we think he slipped off to the green room to look us up and come up.

100%.

It's like, you guys just had a number one hit.

Congratulations.

So he came back to the google quote

100

yeah man but that was that was just incredible and then like a few months later we actually get to go to kill tony and that was just another mind-blown incredible oh my god what is happening and they were like hey somebody was like uh rogan wasn't going to come out tonight but he wants to meet you guys so yeah you know he's going to come out at mitzies and talk to you guys Cool, man.

You're getting a little nervous, a little freaked out.

And we were in Mitzies hanging out with Hans Cam and Cam and all those guys.

And then turn turn around and there you are sitting there.

I was like, oh my God, there he is.

And you were standing there talking to people, though.

Yeah, you got swallowed up immediately as you walked in the door.

And

me and Andrew were sitting at the bar and Andrew's like, all right, I'm going in.

I was like, no, man, just wait.

I was like, you want to talk to him?

I'm just going to send it, buddy.

I'll do this for you.

Yeah, let's send it to you.

Hey, Mr.

Joe.

This is my friend Brandon.

Yeah, let it happen naturally.

Let it happen naturally.

And so I was sitting there waiting on my time to strike.

And I turned around to talk to somebody, and I turned back around where you were, and you were gone.

So I was like, I felt like just the biggest hammer drop of all time.

I was like, dang, man.

I felt extra bad because I was told that you wouldn't want to come out, but you were coming out to meet us, and I felt like we just sat there and ignored you.

I didn't know you guys were there.

Okay,

those are the things that I've got.

I did come out to meet you guys, but I got swarmed.

And it was just like, I get weird sometimes.

I'm like, got to go.

So,

get out of there.

You had like six people you were carrying a conversation with at one time.

We weren't about to be on top of that.

Well, We know we will cross paths when time is needed.

We did it.

I saw you also, and I missed my chance again at UFC in December.

Which one?

In Vegas.

Oh, okay.

Yeah,

you were commentating, and we were

across from you on the other side of the arena.

Theo was sitting behind you, I think, and we were on the direct other side.

Incredible experience, oh my God.

This is the first time you guys had ever been?

Yeah, and Theo actually

got an extra ticket to Super Slap, and he invited me out of that, Fontaine Woods.

Power Slap, yeah.

That's odd sports.

Yeah,

that won't be around for a long time.

That is a CTE

brain damage.

Yeah, a factory.

Brain damage is coming.

It's a CTE farm.

I don't get it.

It's not my thing.

It seems so bad for you to just, I mean,

obviously.

100% terrible for you.

Yeah.

I don't know about that.

I mean, they are, I mean, they're concussed.

They're standing right back up there to get hit again.

Yeah, no.

I mean, has there been a second impact syndrome case yet in PowerSlap?

PowerSlap's only been around for a couple years.

Oh, shit.

Dana's going to be paying money to keep the studies away.

We got to keep this going.

I just don't like it.

I don't know why people like it, but I do watch it.

If somebody sends me a video and I watch some guy get slapped KO'd, I will watch it because I watched two hours or an hour of fucking dick operations last night.

How do you feel about like bare knuckle?

That's different.

I mean, it's dangerous, but it's dangerous.

It is skillful.

It's like there's guys that are really good at it, and guys that avoid being hit, and guys that are just really durable, and they make their mark in that.

Like, look, if you could punch someone with regular gloves, why can't you punch someone bare-knuckle?

It's probably better for your brain because you can't get hit as hard.

Slightly.

They're not standing there just waiting for it.

You get a lot of connection.

That connection, though, when they hit and you don't have a glove one,

you see them.

You see

the shock it puts through you.

The noise PowerSlap makes in real life is uncanny.

It's weird.

When you hear that in real life,

it's like, I've never heard a noise like that before, and and that was on somebody's face.

Not good.

Yeah.

Not good.

And sometimes they get KO'd, and then their head slaps the table, and then they fall backwards, stiff, and like, combo.

I don't like it.

It felt weird.

It's like watching a cock fight or something.

Exactly.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But hey, you know, you sign up.

Yeah.

You want to do it.

No one's forcing you.

Do whatever you want.

You want to ride bulls?

Go ahead.

Flip bikes.

Whatever you want to do.

Yeah, some people do.

You want to evil can evil your way through life?

After that, though, we got to meet Dana and he hooked us up with the fight tickets.

Oh, nice.

I seen you, and then I was like, oh, this will be my chance.

And you would, we,

afterward, we left our seats, and then we were going out, and then you immediately stood up and walked right in front of where I was sitting.

Supposedly, damn, Mr.

Joe.

Is the White House thing?

There's a concert aspect to it.

Really?

We want to put our name in a bucket.

Is there, really?

Supposedly.

Oh, wow.

Interesting.

Who's supposed to perform so far?

I don't think anybody yet.

Oh, you didn't even know there was a concert aspect to it.

That's what we've heard.

Our agents heard, at least.

Interesting.

This is the first time I've heard of it.

That makes sense, though.

Come play our sad music for

sad music.

Heck yeah.

Ruin everybody's buddy.

So it's emotional.

It's emotional music.

I don't think it's sad.

It doesn't make me sad.

Yeah, the White House thing is going to be nuts, but listen, man, that's June.

That is so long from now.

Who the fuck knows what's going to happen in this wacky world between now and June?

The aliens could have already landed.

I can't wait to see the card, though.

Oh, yeah.

I hope it happens.

Well, he's going to try to put together the greatest card of all time.

I know that.

So they're going to try to get as many insane fights as they can.

Before people come jumping on us for that, it's like, it'd be an honor to play at the White House, period, no matter who's in office.

It's like, what happened to just being able to go and meet the president without being

a cool thing?

It shouldn't be polarized.

I'd like to meet Trump, but I'd also like to meet Obama.

He seemed pretty dang cool.

That would be cool.

Just going to the White House would be a big honor.

Yeah.

Sure.

Sure.

Well, hopefully you guys can.

Yeah, we'll see.

Who cares?

Just keep kicking ass.

You'll get there.

We'll see.

I don't know.

Hopefully, less less polarizing times by the time you get in there.

But thank you for being here.

I appreciate you guys very much, and thanks for making awesome music.

It's been fun to meet you.

Awesome.

All right.

Meet you, both.

Great place to be, ladies and gentlemen.

Bye.