Maher's White House Visit, and Senseless High School Student Stabbing, with Michael Knowles and Ana Kasparian

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Speaker 4 welcome to the Megan Kelly show live on Sirius XM channel 111 every weekday at noon East

Speaker 4 hey everyone I'm Megan Kelly welcome to the Megan Kelly show is everyone nursing their liberation day hangover

Speaker 4 I just

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 4 There's going to be a bunch of tariffs.

Speaker 4 Pretty much everyone is against it.

Speaker 4 There's a strain of die-hard MAGA that is open-minded to doing something in a different way because while the system has worked well for the top 1%,

Speaker 4 it hasn't been working that great for the folks in the Rust Belt.

Speaker 4 I, for one, say we give President Trump a chance.

Speaker 4 There's no way he's going to let a bunch of economic pain rain down on the country for the next three and a half years without doing anything about it.

Speaker 4 He's talking about short-term pain for long-term gain. We got the full announcement last night from Donald Trump about his new tariff plan.

Speaker 4 It's basically 10% across the board for all countries and higher on top of that, depending on whether you're tariffing us or if there's some sort of trade deficit between our country and yours, even without tariffs, that we find unfair.

Speaker 4 Like there are certain regulations, for example, in Japan that make it virtually impossible for us to sell certain cars there because we will never pass the regulations. Is that fair?

Speaker 4 Is it hard to get a Japanese car in America?

Speaker 4 So, Trump is jacking up tariffs on Japan, not necessarily based on their tariffs, but based on a trade deficit because of regulations they've put in place that make it impossible for us to compete over there in the way they can here.

Speaker 4 That's what he's trying to rectify. The defenders of the free trade world world say, yes, all of that sounds good on paper.

Speaker 4 The unfairness is a very easy argument to make, but net net, we're still the strongest economy in the world because of our free trade.

Speaker 4 We actually don't make a lot of things domestically and won't start to just because of this plan.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 that this is going to cause what's called stagflation, where inflation goes up and the economy slows and eventually we could see job losses. They're predicting all doom and gloom.

Speaker 4 Why don't we give them a chance? Why don't we see

Speaker 4 how this changes things? Because over the last 25 years, our manufacturing industry has been gutted. It's been sliced in half, in half.

Speaker 4 You know, I heard Adam Carolla talking about this the other day and it was a good point. He said,

Speaker 4 as you know, half of LA burned. And he was like, you know who's out rebuilding it? Men.
Men in excavators and dump trucks with bulldozers and shovels and bricklayers.

Speaker 4 Men like that are going to rebuild the Palisades. Men who nobody in the Palisades probably gives two shits about.
That's the truth.

Speaker 4 Well, there are a lot of those guys in this country who've seen what they know how to do best absolutely devastated.

Speaker 4 by a globalist agenda that cares more about free trade than they do do about our own American guys.

Speaker 4 And Trump is of a different ilk.

Speaker 4 And he's never stopped thinking about these guys. Reportedly, he read Rick Santorum's book on the manufacturing crisis and what we did to our own

Speaker 4 before he ran for president. It was basically Rick Santorum's platform when he ran for president and won Iowa a few years before Trump came on the national scene.

Speaker 4 And I don't think he's ever lost that.

Speaker 4 There are clips of Trump back when he was in his 40s talking about we need tariffs and thinking about the more working class manufacturers of America. So this is something near and dear to his heart.

Speaker 4 We have never, in recent history, given it a good try.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 I think we need to be patient with the president who ran very much on this, very much on this, and deserves a shot. That's the tariffs.
Okay, there's a lot of other things going on.

Speaker 4 There's some really disturbing cultural stories that I want to get into because they say a lot about where we are.

Speaker 4 Later in the show, I'm going to be joined by Annikas Berrien of The Young Turks, but we begin today with Michael Knowles. He's hosted the Michael Knowles show over on the Daily Wire.

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Speaker 4 Michael, welcome back. Oddly, I don't want to start with tariffs because I think I've summed it up accurately.

Speaker 4 And if you really want to do a deep dive into tariffs, there's probably a lot of places you can go for it.

Speaker 4 What I want to talk about is our country and some stories that are in the news today that are just shocking.

Speaker 4 And the number one is this poor kid who was murdered down in Texas in Frisco, Texas, by the name of Austin Metcalf. It's all over the news today.

Speaker 4 He

Speaker 4 was at a track meet in North Texas. I'm just reading here from

Speaker 4 WFAA.com, a local source there in Frisco, Texas.

Speaker 4 He was, okay, it happened around 10 a.m.

Speaker 4 at a university down there, Frisco High School. Sorry, it was a Frisco High School track meet, but it happened at a university championship track meet.

Speaker 4 And it was being held with these independent schools present. The victim who died was 17-year-old Austin Metcalf.
He was a student attending Frisco's Memorial High School.

Speaker 4 His twin brother Hunter was there as well.

Speaker 4 He went to sit down and found another student in his

Speaker 4 seat from the sound of it and said, that's my seat, or something to that effect. And that other student

Speaker 4 reportedly turned around and stabbed him in the heart. This kid who got killed was 17, he had a 4.0, he was a football star,

Speaker 4 sorry,

Speaker 4 and

Speaker 4 he was dead, it seems, very soon thereafter. His twin brother held him as he died and was barely able to speak about it.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 the father, who seems like an extraordinary man, Michael, comes out and speaks to the cameras about what happened to his son. Here's a bit of Austin's dad.
Take a listen.

Speaker 8 I'm not trying to judge, but

Speaker 8 what kind of parents did this child have?

Speaker 8 What was he taught? He brought a knife to a track meet, and he murdered my son by stabbing him in the heart.

Speaker 8 The son, the guy was in the wrong place. They asked him to move, and he bowed up.
This is murder.

Speaker 8 I don't know. I know they have someone in custody.

Speaker 7 Yep, we do.

Speaker 2 And you know what?

Speaker 8 I already forgive this person.

Speaker 4 Already? Already.

Speaker 8 God takes care of things. God's going to take care of me.
God's going to take care of my family.

Speaker 4 That poor man. His name is Jeff Metcalfe.
Already he's forgiven. It happened yesterday.
It's happened Wednesday.

Speaker 4 They have a suspect in custody, identified by police as Carmelo Anthony, a 17-year-old student at Frisco Centennial High School. He was taken into custody on a murder charge.

Speaker 4 His bond has not yet been set. This guy, Anthony, played football

Speaker 4 for the school centennial and indicated on social media pages that he had been offered scholarships to play football for several smaller schools.

Speaker 4 This is just incredible. So he had some sort of hope in front of him.

Speaker 4 The suspect, Carmelo Anthony, that he played football and that on social media, at least he was claiming that he'd been offered scholarships to play football for several similar, several smaller schools.

Speaker 4 And now, this other kid, who appears to be completely innocent of doing no more than asking to have his seat, is dead at age 17 with nothing but promise lying in front of him and in the arms of his own twin brother.

Speaker 4 There's an element to this that must be mentioned, and that is that the assailant was black and the victim was white.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 one thing that's very obvious to all of us is if the races were reversed, you wouldn't just be hearing about this on this show and a handful of others.

Speaker 4 It would be blanketing the national airwaves coast to coast.

Speaker 4 But it's not because, honestly,

Speaker 4 white boys' lives don't matter.

Speaker 4 Your thoughts, Michael?

Speaker 7 The fact that you even have to walk on eggshells to state this obvious fact about the case shows you, in no small part, how we got to this place in the first place.

Speaker 7 You know, it's just a horrible story. What amazing grace from this boy's father who says, you know, I already forgive him, which is to say, vengeance is mine, says the Lord, and I will repay.

Speaker 7 You know, their foot shall slide in due time.

Speaker 7 That is not to say that the boy should not be arrested, prosecuted, imprisoned for life, at least, if not more.

Speaker 7 And, you know, the very fact that that that has not happened is part of how we got here in the first place. This question, you know, how was this boy raised?

Speaker 7 Well, you're not allowed to ask that question.

Speaker 7 You know, specifically from the racial angle, which the establishment media will not speak about.

Speaker 7 They probably won't speak about the case because of the races of the perpetrator, the alleged perpetrator and the victim.

Speaker 7 You know, one has said that we cannot ask how we got to a place where 70% plus of black children in the United States are born out of wedlock. We're not allowed to ask that.

Speaker 7 That's politically incorrect. It's none of your business.
Well, it is my business because I live in society and there are obviously downstream effects.

Speaker 7 I don't know the particulars of this guy's family situation. Maybe he just ran, he went totally off the handle.
Maybe he had some mental health crisis or something.

Speaker 7 We're not allowed to talk about these things either. We have to now elevate

Speaker 7 insanity as some kind of social currency or even pretend that patently absurd things are true. That's pushed by our elite culture.

Speaker 7 If the boy ever did show any warning signs at school, that cannot be punished.

Speaker 7 You could probably get the teacher in trouble if a person of a favored demographic is ever punished, brought to the school counselor, even if it would be for his own good.

Speaker 7 We're not allowed to talk about any of these things. And so in a very real sense,

Speaker 7 political correctness, the leftist, especially racial ideology, has created this environment. And the

Speaker 7 most insidious part of it all is that the elites who are going to be chattering about this today will never have to face the consequences of these kinds of behaviors, policies, and ideology because they're going to send their kids to the really fancy rich school where everyone has two parents and an intact family and violence is not tolerated and they will be totally insulated from the effects of their radical social engineering.

Speaker 7 Meanwhile, the people who don't live in the gated communities, the people who have to live with the effects of not punishing perpetrators, not looking out for red flags and putting kids into course correction and education.

Speaker 7 The people who won't even arrest criminals on the streets, who instead, when you have a case, to use a recent example of Daniel Penny, for instance, on the New York City subway, protecting innocent people from a perpetrator, what is the very first thing that the liberal prosecutors do?

Speaker 7 They go after the good guy who is protecting the bad guys. Because of all of this, you have real

Speaker 7 victims. In this case, a 17-year-old kid had his whole life in front of him.

Speaker 7 In this case, the boy's family who looks around and the tragedy on top of the tragedy here is that these kinds of incidents are all so predictable.

Speaker 4 What kind of rage and emptiness, I guess, is in the heart of a boy who would stab another young man in the heart for asking for a seat back?

Speaker 4 I mean, that the hair trigger that would be required there, the bundle of anger and

Speaker 3 just

Speaker 4 lack of any engagement in society, any commitment to the social contract by which we all live, right? This is just so beyond the pale.

Speaker 4 Like murders happen, and we understand that's a part of life, unfortunately. People have vendettas against one another.
There are serial killers out there.

Speaker 4 People get angry and overreact, but

Speaker 4 usually, usually, Michael, you can see the circumstances.

Speaker 4 You're not justifying it, but you understand, okay, it was manslaughter, it was the heat of passion, or it was some gang hit, or it was a mob hit, or it was, you know, just some sort of long vendetta between the two, or it was a cheating spouse.

Speaker 4 You know, there's something where you don't accept, but you can at least understand.

Speaker 4 But you see something this vile and empty and meaning.

Speaker 4 And you do, as that father did, look at the perpetrator and say,

Speaker 4 How was he raised? Where was his family? What was seen or not seen about him before he was unleashed on society to the point where he could do this to an innocent kid he was across from.

Speaker 4 Who takes out a knife and stabs another in the heart as their first response to an empty or not empty seat?

Speaker 7 Are you telling me that there is no warning sign here?

Speaker 7 That's my question to everyone involved at this school, in this perpetrator's alleged perpetrators community. You're telling me there was no warning sign?

Speaker 7 I have a hard time believing that, as you say, Megan,

Speaker 7 the hair trigger to go off because someone says, excuse me.

Speaker 7 And by the way, I think a lot of people have seen this kind of thing from individuals where you just know, you know, often you won't even go approach them on the street. You just know

Speaker 7 all of the red flags, all the warning signs. But in this culture, we're not allowed to mention that.
We're not allowed to condemn certain social arrangements and pathologies.

Speaker 7 We're not allowed to say that growing up in a two-family home, for instance, where

Speaker 7 the virtues are cultivated and the vices are suppressed, that that's better than the alternative. Frankly, we're no longer even allowed to admit that there's a difference between vice and virtue.

Speaker 7 Certainly when you add the racial aspect into this, then you're not allowed to say peep whatsoever.

Speaker 7 And so the people who ignored those red flags out of cowardice and radical ideology, They have blood on their hands, and not just in this case, but in many similar cases around the country.

Speaker 7 How many more of these kinds of incidents are going to have to occur before we gain the courage and the clarity again to say, you know,

Speaker 7 certain social pathologies really need to be suppressed. There are better ways to live.
It's not just you do you and I'll do me. We live in a society.
And so when people get married, That affects me.

Speaker 7 When people get divorced, that affects me. When people have children out of wedlock, that affects me.
When people have children within wedlock, that affects me.

Speaker 7 When the law is enforced, that affects me. When children are educated in a proper way, that's going to affect me too, because I live in society, all right?

Speaker 7 And I, as a citizen in this country, and as a person with conscience, as a rational creature, have a right to express how we ought to live for the common good.

Speaker 7 That view has been so shunned from society, certainly by the left, and it's been tolerated by the right. And this is the totally predictable result of that.

Speaker 4 There's so much in there.

Speaker 4 Everything you said is brilliant and important. The

Speaker 4 Black Lives Matter Plaza in Washington, D.C. was just scrubbed and taken down.
Here we are five years later, right?

Speaker 4 Almost exactly five years later, right? George Floyd was the end of May in 2020.

Speaker 4 And what did that group accomplish?

Speaker 4 The number of cancellations that they pushed for, you know, all about cops. It was all about what these allegedly racist cops were doing coast to coast, just hunting black men, right?

Speaker 4 Isn't that how LeBron put it?

Speaker 4 This,

Speaker 4 what's happening with the lack of fathers in several black homes, not every black home, and this isn't about black people.

Speaker 4 There are black people listening to this show right now who are as outraged over this as we are. But there is a problem.
with fatherless homes in a large portion of the black community.

Speaker 4 And where is the push on that? Where were these black leaders, Patricia Cullers and the others, to try to do something

Speaker 4 about that, which actually would have helped black kids and all kids have a safer future?

Speaker 7 Of course, of course.

Speaker 7 You know, the

Speaker 7 people to blame here, you know, for creating these kinds of conditions are not only the ones who look the other way, but yes, as you mentioned, these really bad actors

Speaker 7 who have pushed terrible behavior, who have encouraged the worst kind of lawlessness that is contrary to the good of the individual and to the good of society, and who have been given grants and prizes and all sorts of plaudits for it.

Speaker 7 I remember walking by that BLM Plaza in D.C.

Speaker 7 I thought, this is such another level of social degradation. Not only are we tolerating this kind of disordered behavior, but we're actually exalting it.
We're saying this is a great thing.

Speaker 7 So people are going to be led, you know? I mean, this is where the hyperindividualism of the left and the right just totally breaks down. We are social creatures.

Speaker 7 We've known that since good old Uncle Aristotle. And so we are going to, we're going to follow the leader.
We're going to behave in ways that our neighbors behave.

Speaker 7 And so we have a real question before us, which is What kind of country do we want to live in? What kind of society do we want to live in? You know, that is your business, all right?

Speaker 7 The society that we grow up in is your business. You as a citizen have a right to certain standards.

Speaker 7 And so when you look at all of the risk factors for this kind of behavior, fatherlessness, of course, we've talked about, the soft bigotry of low expectations, as it's called in education,

Speaker 7 the encouragement of vice and the mockery and dismissal of virtue on the grounds that we can't be moralizing.

Speaker 7 or we have a separation of church and state or whatever kind of ahistorical nonsense the radical left pushes.

Speaker 7 You know, well, the consequence of that is that you're going to live in an increasingly anarchical kind of society that isn't good for anyone.

Speaker 7 It damages the people that it supposedly intends to help. You certainly saw that with BLM.
But let's not forget the innocent people here as well.

Speaker 7 It also damages the innocent, and that is deeply unjust. And if the government can't do something about that, then the government is shirking its chief responsibility.

Speaker 4 It's not totally dissimilar from what happened with the Nashville shooter, that woman who went into

Speaker 4 a lower school and killed six people at the Covenant School in Nashville, March 27th, 2023.

Speaker 4 We don't say the name of the mass shooters here, but it was a woman who was having gender dysphoria and was trying to become a male or wanted people to think of her as a male. And

Speaker 4 this was the case in which our audience may remember. They refused to release the manifesto.
They said it would be too disturbing, it would be too dangerous.

Speaker 4 And then, about a year plus ago, Stephen Crowder got his hands on at least a piece of the manifesto and released it.

Speaker 4 And this woman had all these bizarre trans fantasies involving having male sex, like she would be the male with her stuffed animals, and how if she would just go up to heaven after committing all these murders, she was sure God would put her in a boy body completely whitewashed.

Speaker 4 Like the media did not want to, the cops, nobody wanted to talk about the trans element of this woman's craziness, of her insanity.

Speaker 4 And now they finally concluded their investigation on this covenant school killer and they release a 48-page report, which does not include the word trans.

Speaker 4 It does not include the word trans. It has other passing references to some gender issues, but it's completely downplayed.
It's like it was, you know, basically not relevant to it.

Speaker 4 This is

Speaker 4 a little bit of the reporting. Despite needing more than two years to complete its investigation,

Speaker 4 the police department confirmed that this person acted alone and

Speaker 4 during the attack itself. No one around the killer had knowledge that she was planning the attack, although her parents knew she had thoughts about killing her father.

Speaker 4 They found that her parents, her mental health providers, and the firearm retailers who sold her the weapons bore no responsibility and had no prior knowledge of her plans.

Speaker 4 And now they stay in this conclusion that she didn't leave behind a manifesto, Michael, because it wasn't laid out in one single document. That there's all sorts of justification for this.

Speaker 4 Listen to this. They write, early in the investigation, it was suggested that this shooter left behind a manifesto detailing her motives and intentions.

Speaker 4 By definition, a manifesto is a mission statement or other document written and disseminated by an individual or group to enumerate or expound upon the guiding principles and beliefs that inform their actions.

Speaker 4 Regardless of length, a manifesto is a single document that outlines all the factors, intentions, and objectives of an individual act or a series of actions. In this case, a manifesto did not exist.

Speaker 4 The shooter never left behind a single document explaining why she committed the act, why she specifically targeted the covenant, and what she hoped to gain, if anything, with the attack.

Speaker 4 Really? Now that's now, they've been saying for two years that it would be too dangerous, they didn't think we could handle it, it's too disturbing.

Speaker 4 Now, suddenly, it's, oh, it didn't exist because it was in the form of multiple documents and not just one.

Speaker 4 I feel like we're looking at parallel stories in a way here, where the shooter, the killer, is in a protected group about whom you are not allowed to say certain things or ask certain questions.

Speaker 7 The excuse might as well be that manifestos are always saved as PDF files. And this was a docx, so not a manifesto, not going to release it.

Speaker 7 It's so flimsy, it contradicts what they've been saying for years at this point.

Speaker 7 But of course, they were going to ignore the central feature here. We've been talking about red flags.
We've been talking about

Speaker 7 the ideological and cultural insistence that we not acknowledge what's before our own eyes. So in this case, you want to know what a red flag might be?

Speaker 7 That you have a person who is as mentally ill as it is possible to be, a person who doesn't understand some of the most basic aspects of her own identity.

Speaker 7 I would like to know that. As the parent of someone who is at a school, I would like to know if there are really crazy people.

Speaker 7 People who not only have a flawed perception of reality, but who are part of a group that is singularly violent and committing violence not only against others, but notably at

Speaker 7 unmatched rates against themselves. A group of people that has a real problem that a caring society would try to fix and remedy rather than affirm and make worse.

Speaker 7 That's the sort of thing that I would like. But that has to be ignored because the culture tells us that we have to exalt falsehood and we have to deny truth.

Speaker 7 So then when one of these people flies off the handle,

Speaker 7 we all have to act surprised.

Speaker 7 I have been going out and speaking in public for, I don't know, 10 years or something now as part of my show and

Speaker 7 part of my public life. I've been attacked precisely on two occasions physically.

Speaker 7 Both times, it was because I discussed the question of transgenderism. One time was right at the beginning of my speaking.
The other time was a couple years ago.

Speaker 7 Some Antifa guy was so furious at my observation that transgenderism isn't real that he tried to blow me up when I was giving a speech and he seriously injured a female police officer.

Speaker 7 I've talked about a lot of other issues and it's not just me. There are many people on the right for whom this is the case.

Speaker 7 The minute you question the trans ideology, these people who are so obviously and notably insane will fly off the handle. Can we say that?

Speaker 7 I'll probably be censored from social media for acknowledging that right now. But let me just ask the people who have been...

Speaker 4 We're literally talking about a so-called trans person who killed

Speaker 4 three six-year-olds and three adults. It's absolutely factual in the case that we are discussing at this moment.
Please keep going.

Speaker 7 Without question.

Speaker 7 And my question to them, by the way, who say that we need to lie to people in order to mollify them, that lies will set you free and the truth is cruel, a complete inversion of what we've known in our civilization for thousands of years.

Speaker 7 My question to them is, who does that serve?

Speaker 7 Is the trans identifying girl who shut up the school and then was happily killed by a police officer, is she better off because of that?

Speaker 7 How about this kid, the perpetrator just yesterday, who murders a 17-year-old promising kid because he flies off the handle?

Speaker 7 Is he served well by

Speaker 7 just ignoring red flags? And that guy's life is over as well, and he's got to live with the grievous sin of having taken another life.

Speaker 7 Who benefits from living in a society full of lies? Nobody does. I mean, it's a total Faustian bargain.
Give up the truth, live in lies, and then at least some people will be happy.

Speaker 7 And the conclusion of it is, none of us are happy and the whole society is degraded.

Speaker 4 Just before we leave this subject, here's just a couple of statements that Stephen Crowder reported on when he broke this story last year that did not, did not wind up in the police report.

Speaker 4 That this shooter had written, can't believe I'm doing this, but I'm ready. I hope my victims aren't.

Speaker 4 Quote, kill those kids, quote, going to fancy private schools with those fancy khakis and sports backpacks with their daddy's Mustangs and convertibles.

Speaker 4 Quote, want to kill all you little crackers, bunch of little faggots with your white privileges.

Speaker 4 Now, I'm sorry, but there is absolutely no reason why the final report should not include those statements. Here's more.

Speaker 4 The Tennessee Star reported on some of what was found in the manifesto documents, but not in the police report.

Speaker 4 The shooter wrote extensively about gender identity, her gender identity, including a three-page entry, the killer titled My Imaginary Penis, in which she wrote about expressing sexual fantasies with stuffed animals.

Speaker 4 I can pretend to be them and do the things boys do and experience my boy self. God, I'm such a pervert.
I waste too much time in my fantasies.

Speaker 4 The shooter wrote a political rant in an entry dated one month prior in which she complained the U.S. fails to respect the rights of disabled people, gun owners, and transgender people.

Speaker 4 So now because of you, I wish death on myself because of the pure hatred of my female gender. Quote, if God won't give me a boy body in heaven, then Jesus is a faggot.
Forgive me for these words.

Speaker 4 I can't be happy. I'm meant to die.
How does this not wind up in the final? Like,

Speaker 4 we cannot have the realities of these people who wind up committing individual murders or mass murders whitewashed for some sake of being sensitive to their particular.

Speaker 4 And by the way, one of the things that we also learn about the shooter that's not shocking is she was on the autism spectrum and the reason I say it's it's not that people on the spectrum murder it's that a lot of kids on the spectrum

Speaker 4 go down the gender rabbit hole. They tend to have the patience for a three-hour session on Reddit.
You know, they can have obsessive thinking.

Speaker 4 And so they're particularly vulnerable to these online social media traps that are laid for kids who are not trans to start believing that they are.

Speaker 4 It's really no surprise to those of us who cover these stories a lot that this young woman had some sort of autism spectrum disorder and wound up getting sucked into this cult.

Speaker 4 It happens time and time again. Another thing you're not allowed to say, another thing we may get censored for.
It's just sick and tired of it, Michael. I know you are too.
I've seen you get attacked.

Speaker 4 I mean, I've seen what's happened to you, and you were on the early edge of this. You know, I just'm really sick and tired of it.
I care, I'm going to be honest, I care more

Speaker 4 about the life of the innocent kid who

Speaker 4 Metcalf who got killed

Speaker 4 than I do about these kids who have murder on their minds. I also care about them, but I just have to say, like, I'm not so sensitive that I can't discuss what really led to the murders.

Speaker 4 I'm really thinking more about preventing the next murder. Here is the brother, the twin brother of the boy just killed in Frisco, Texas.

Speaker 10 There was this kid,

Speaker 10 before before I knew his name now, this kid was sitting under our

Speaker 10 tent at track. We asked him to move.
He started getting aggressive and talking reckless. And my brother stepped in and said, you need to move.
He's like, make me move. Awesome.

Speaker 10 I tried to whip around as fast as I could, but I didn't see the stab. But then I looked at my brother.

Speaker 10 And then I looked at my brother and then I'm not going to talk about the rest.

Speaker 10 That's just what I saw.

Speaker 10 I mean,

Speaker 10 I try to help them.

Speaker 4 It was just senseless.

Speaker 10 It was really senseless.

Speaker 10 I don't know why that person would do that to someone just over that little argument. It's just crazy in this world nowadays how people just up and do that.
Like

Speaker 10 a man of the family, that man has people that care about them all the time. And he did everything for our family, too.
He was a strong man. He was a strong, strong kid.

Speaker 4 Oh, that's the twin brother.

Speaker 4 Austin Metcalf is the kid. The 17-year-old killed.
That's his brother, Hunter, whose life has been devastated. I mean, it's not even just about the loss of Austin.

Speaker 4 It's about what happened to Hunter as the eyewitness in the twin brother and what happened to the dad Jeff, who's already searching for forgiveness, but very capable of identifying some of the risks here.

Speaker 4 There's another story. It's not exactly the same, but it's

Speaker 4 dovetails.

Speaker 4 There is,

Speaker 4 for lack of a better term, a teacher sex scandal unfolding in Chicago. And the tape of this woman has gone everywhere.
And I understand why, trust me. I worked at Fox News for 14 years.

Speaker 4 There wasn't a teacher sex scandal we didn't cover there. But there's some level of depravity in our society.
I mean, that's really what we're talking about.

Speaker 4 There's some level of depravity and, in some cases, mental illness. And this woman, while, yes, she's a woman, so technically in one of the favored classes, that's not what this story is about.

Speaker 4 She is getting some press coverage. but there's something wrong with a woman, if as she's accused of doing,

Speaker 4 who has, well, they're accusing her of raping a 15-year-old student.

Speaker 4 No one is saying that her student, who she allegedly raped, sex without consent, was special ed, but she was a special ed teacher. at the school.

Speaker 4 So I don't know whether he was or he wasn't, but he was 15 years old. It happened in 2023.

Speaker 4 Reportedly, that student's mother found disturbing text messages between the two of them when she logged onto her son's iCloud account after she bought him a new phone.

Speaker 4 He was a soccer player that she coached, and she was also tutoring this young man. And the mother, of course, went bullshit when she found the text messages.
So this woman gets pulled over.

Speaker 4 There's a couple of pieces of tape here. She gets pulled over by police with her husband in the passenger seat.
She's in the driver's seat a couple of days ago. Here's a bit of that.

Speaker 6 So we're back over here.

Speaker 11 So we do have an investigation going on. We have to talk to you about it at the police department, okay?

Speaker 11 So we're explaining everything to you there.

Speaker 11 It's not my investigation.

Speaker 6 I don't know the full details, but you have to bring you there though, okay?

Speaker 11 So I do have to put you in handcuffs and bring you to the police department. Just a dummy strike.
Yes, unfortunately. Yes.

Speaker 4 I'm like willing to go with you. I get it.

Speaker 11 Yeah. Unfortunately, we have to do it that way.
Do me a favor, we'll just take this off.

Speaker 11 can i ask you what of course yeah it's not like i said it's not my investigation obviously we are here for a reason so go ahead and turn around for me

Speaker 11 at the moment what this is about other than it's an investigation that's all i can really tell you right now i'm sorry i wish i could tell you more i really would prefer that my husband's with me of course

Speaker 4 Okay, so she's very angry that the husband can't come with her. She's arrested, not really understanding what she's arrested for, supposedly.
I mean,

Speaker 4 okay.

Speaker 4 How many crimes had she committed? Because that one should have been pretty obvious and on the nose.

Speaker 4 And then there's tape later where it's dawning on her what she's in trouble for and what's about to happen to her. Here it is.

Speaker 4 I've been feeling in my throw up.

Speaker 11 My bad.

Speaker 6 All right.

Speaker 4 She'd learned the charges by this point. She's in the back of the cop car.

Speaker 4 What we won't see is the video of this boy's mother crying at night in her bed, I am sure,

Speaker 4 the night she discovered that this had had happened to her son. I have a 15-year-old.
They're young. They are not yet men.
They are coming of age at age 15. This is absolutely disgusting.

Speaker 4 She, just to complete the narrative, is denying that she sexually assaulted the student. She said, quote, everyone comes after her because she is good-looking.

Speaker 4 That's the quote, because she is good-looking, according to court documents. She was arrested earlier in March, on March 16th.

Speaker 4 She confessed to police that she cared too much about the student, but claimed he broke into her phone and sent these problematic text messages as blackmail, that I guess she wasn't participating in the back and forth.

Speaker 4 She claimed that one day he grabbed her phone unattended, had entered her passcode, because yeah,

Speaker 4 my 15-year-old certainly knows the passcode of all of his teachers' iPhones.

Speaker 4 had sent the message to his own phone, had then deleted the message from her phone, and had saved it to his phone as blackmail.

Speaker 4 The messages included as follows. Her writing to him, I love you so much, baby.
Even though this morning was short, it was perfect. Student responded, I know, baby, it was perfect, baby, so perfect.

Speaker 4 She wrote, I love having sex with you. It's pretty good admission for the prosecution.
Student responded, I know, baby, I love it so much. It feels so good.
It's so passionate. It's so intimate.

Speaker 4 It's so perfect. On top of all that, continue thinking in your mind of what her defense is.
He wrote all of that. He grabbed my phone, he knew my passcode, he wrote all that.

Speaker 4 He wrote all the back and forth and then deleted my half of the conversation from my phone, which is just already such utter nonsense.

Speaker 4 Court documents allege that this, the teacher, Christina Formella is her name, had also written about the student in her notes app on her phone.

Speaker 4 Fornella, Formella told police she had used the app as an outlet for her anxiety, and references about sex were only about her husband.

Speaker 4 So that is the story of Christina Formella, again denying all charges, but in a lot of trouble today, Michael. And I'm assuming that the police have their woman and that this went down as they allege.

Speaker 4 It is yet another example of just some sort of strange and severe cultural depravity.

Speaker 7 Well, Megan, I have to ask, you know, if we've got the notes and we've got the text messages, at what point is the police department going to come out and say, you know, we have this video of this woman saying on camera, I'm about to commit this crime with this student.

Speaker 7 Then she's going to say it was actually AI. It was Grok that made that video.
And then there's going to be another video that says, I am, this is not AI.

Speaker 7 I mean, they might as well, she might have done a live performance for all of the evidence against her.

Speaker 7 And yet...

Speaker 7 You do have to ask yourself, well, how did we end up in this place where these stories are so totally totally normalized?

Speaker 7 And the first question that comes to me when I think about the story we were just previously talking about is, if a child at 16 years old, 14 years old, 10 years old, 8 years old, has the right to make a permanent sexual decision, a decision to sterilize himself, to remove his genitals or her genitals, to

Speaker 7 really long-term decisions, then why doesn't a 15-year-old have the ability to consent to a romp with his teacher? He doesn't,

Speaker 7 obviously, despite all the reactions, you know, where were these teachers when I was in school?

Speaker 7 We have age of consent for a reason, but we only apply it conveniently. When we're talking about long-term sexual decisions, no, no, that's totally fine.
The child can consent.

Speaker 4 You're so right.

Speaker 7 You know, the child could consent at five years old. So that's the first part.
Second part is we've been told since the 1960s at least that sex is no big deal. You know, it's just like a handshake.

Speaker 7 It's not the sort of thing that's really just for husband and wife, for serious people who are committed, who are open to the possibility of a child, which is the product of sex. No, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 7 It's just like a handshake, man. It's no big deal.

Speaker 7 But then this creates a bizarre contradiction, because we're told sex doesn't mean anything at all, but sexual assault is much worse than any other kind of assault. Well, how is that?

Speaker 7 I don't, you know, if sex is just a handshake, just between two people who can consent, and if children can consent now too, according to this logic, then why is this a news story at all?

Speaker 7 It just shows you the huge gap between what we all know to be true with our common sense and the law and the popular culture that's been foisted on us by radical ideologues now for half a century or more.

Speaker 4 Okay, speaking of the trans issue,

Speaker 4 I don't know if you saw this viral video yesterday, I saw it on the icons feed on X, but there was a young woman, a fencer, USA fencer, Stephanie Turner is her name,

Speaker 4 and she was competing in a fencing match

Speaker 4 for USA fencing

Speaker 4 as part of it. And she was placed up against a male pretending to be female.
And look at this, Michael. She took a knee.

Speaker 4 She took a knee. She refused to fight.
There he is, towering over her, by the way.

Speaker 4 She said, I saw that I was going to be in

Speaker 4 a pool, meaning a fencing pool, with Redmond. His name is Redmond Sullivan.
And from there, I said, okay,

Speaker 4 let's do it. I'm going to take the knee.
I knew what I had to do because USA Fencing had not been listening to women's objections.

Speaker 4 I took a knee immediately and Redmond Sullivan was under the impression that I was going to start fencing. When I took the knee, I looked at the ref and I said, I'm sorry, I cannot do this.

Speaker 4 I am a woman, and this is a man, and this is a woman's tournament, and I will not fence this individual.

Speaker 4 Redmond did not hear me. He came up to me.
He thinks I may be hurt, or he doesn't understand what's happening. He asks, are you okay? And I said, I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 I have much love and respect for you, but I will not fence you.

Speaker 4 Shortly thereafter, USA Fencing produced a statement in support of the man, Sullivan, and transgender participation in the sport.

Speaker 4 And Stephanie Turner, the female, was disqualified as a result of all this. She's a heroine.
That took a lot of guts. And God only knows how hard she worked, right, to get to this point.

Speaker 4 This guy, Redmond Sullivan, was a male and living as a male a year and two years ago. Look, this is the beginning of his transition.

Speaker 4 We'll show you some earlier pictures of him, which I saw online earlier, where he's a fat,

Speaker 4 rather unattractive man,

Speaker 4 just like two seasons earlier. And of course, you won't be surprised to learn, not a very good fencer.

Speaker 7 You know, the only place that a woman has ever beaten a man in a sword fight is Disney movies and Star Wars recently, Snow White, right? She's taking on men with swords.

Speaker 7 But in reality, no woman has ever beaten a man in a sword fight or really in any physical endeavor. It just doesn't happen that way.

Speaker 7 And so this woman was not only principled to take a stand here, but she was also just prudent.

Speaker 7 A woman should not be putting herself in a situation where she is engaged in any kind of physical activity, up to and including fencing, with

Speaker 7 men. And she has the right to her own sports leagues, of course.

Speaker 7 But I want to answer preemptively a criticism that I know that we're going to get from the left on this, which is the left is going to say, you conservatives, you don't really care about women's sports.

Speaker 7 Well, I know you talk about it all the time and it's a 95-5 issue and it helps win elections for Republicans, but you conservatives, you don't really care about women's sports.

Speaker 7 To which I say, you're right. I don't.
I don't care at all about the WNBA. I don't care about women's soccer.
I don't care about men's soccer for that matter. I don't care about women's fencing.

Speaker 7 What I care about is justice. That is why conservatives are focusing on this issue.

Speaker 7 It is unjust to subject women to these competitions with men, first of all, where they could get traumatic brain injuries, as we saw in the volleyball competition.

Speaker 7 It's also unjust to take women's trophies away.

Speaker 7 It's certainly unjust to take women's university scholarships away. And it's just not right.
You know,

Speaker 7 why don't we let men into the women's sports leagues? Because they're called women's sports leagues, and that's not right.

Speaker 7 And we need to live in accordance with reality in a way that befits a civilized society. That's why.
You're right. I'm never going to watch women's fencing ever.

Speaker 7 But women ought to have the right to their sports leagues, and we, as citizens, have the right to insist upon justice.

Speaker 7 If we don't, then what's the point of the government?

Speaker 4 Exactly right.

Speaker 4 Here are the stats on this male fencer.

Speaker 4 He, after he graduated from high school, began attending Wagner College in Staten Island. He joined the men's fencing team.
In June of 2023, he placed 29th out of 58 male competitors.

Speaker 4 And in November of 2023, six months later, he began competing in women's fencing.

Speaker 4 By November of 2024, he won 3-0 all of his matchups. And in December 2024, he won gold at the Connecticut Division Junior Olympic qualifier in the junior women's foil.

Speaker 4 This event at which she took the knee, his competitor, was the USA Fencing event at the University of Maryland.

Speaker 4 And again, she received a black card exclusion from competition for refusing to compete against this man, Redmond Sullivan.

Speaker 4 And honestly, like shame on USA Fencing for not creating an open division where Redmond could go compete. Shame on them for relegating this guy to only the women's division.

Speaker 4 I mean, he could have fenced as a male, and shame on him for cheating because he knows full well he went through male puberty, has full male advantage, and that he's stealing the medals.

Speaker 4 The only sympathetic characters in this entire thing, as is typical, is the actual, real women who are left with nothing but bad choices, Michael, when they get faced with a guy like this.

Speaker 7 Well, and then the question for U.S. fencing and all of these other sports leagues is: okay, what are they going to do about it? Could they, as you suggested, make a, I don't know, a third league?

Speaker 7 You know, you got the men's league and the women's league and then the trans league.

Speaker 7 Well, that probably won't work because you got two kinds of trans, the man who identifies as a woman and the woman who identifies as a man.

Speaker 7 And so because they're still really men and women, you can't have them fighting each other.

Speaker 7 You're just back at the same problem. So, okay, you could have the trans league one, the M to W trans trans league, and then the W to M trans league.

Speaker 7 But then, of course, what about the people who don't identify as men or women? You know, what about the people who are panting?

Speaker 4 It's just going to have to make it the TQ. It's going to have to be the TQ league.

Speaker 7 We could either have 150 leagues or we can do something that there are going to be some people even on the center right don't support, which is just insist upon reality.

Speaker 7 Can we all just insist upon reality, please?

Speaker 4 Yeah, he confessed with the men.

Speaker 7 They do this with the bathrooms. They say, Well, instead of having a male bathroom and a female bathroom, let's have a third one, or a fourth one, or a fifth one.
No, how about we just have two?

Speaker 7 Because there are only men and women, and they need to change. And let's just be real, and you have to act normal because we live in society.

Speaker 4 I got to get this last one in. The woman who played Alphaba in Wicked, the movie, she just won an Academy Award for the performance, Cynthia Arrivo, goes by they/them

Speaker 4 and explained why at the GLAAD Awards this weekend.

Speaker 14 It isn't easy.

Speaker 14 None of it is.

Speaker 14 Waking up and choosing to be yourself, proclaiming a space belongs to you when you don't feel welcomed.

Speaker 14 Teaching people on a daily basis how to address you, and dealing with the frustration of reteaching people a word that has been in the human vocabulary since the dawn of time. They,

Speaker 14 them.

Speaker 14 Words used to describe pedantically two or more more people.

Speaker 14 Poetically, a person who is simply more.

Speaker 4 What do you make of it, Michael? It's exhausting.

Speaker 7 Just to be yourself is the hardest thing to be. And I thought, no, that's not true.
Like being a mathematician is harder, probably, or a welder, or like a marathon runner.

Speaker 7 It's actually not that hard to wake up and be yourself. And the irony, of course, is the people at this awards gala are insisting upon not being themselves and not living in accord with their process.

Speaker 4 Like when you're going gonna hijack a pre-existing term in the English language like they them and try to make it mean something totally different yeah you're probably gonna have some splaining to do

Speaker 7 this is this is the thing unless unless these people are multiple you know we we my name is Legion for we are many which is a totally separate problem by the way then we we need to live in accord with reality because because at a really basic political level if we all have the right to our own subjective identity then we can't communicate with each other We can't know anything about each other.

Speaker 7 And we become grunting, roving bands of baboons. Even worse, because we deny our own natural instincts and society becomes totally incoherent, as you may have noticed, Megan, it has.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Listen, it's a pleasure to see you, my friend. This is a disturbing string of news, but an important one.
We got to keep an eye on ourselves. Michael Knowles, thank you so much.
Pleasure.

Speaker 7 Pleasure's all mine, Megan. And even with all the crazy weather in Nashville, I'm glad I could beam into into you from my home office.

Speaker 7 And I hope my screaming children at least made a good starring run on the show for the audio.

Speaker 4 Oh, God. So everybody's safe.

Speaker 7 Everybody's safe other than my poor wife who's chasing toddlers around the home.

Speaker 4 But everyone else is good.

Speaker 4 Okay, good luck with that. It's a pleasure.
Oh, gosh, Nashville is really getting hit right now. So yeah, Michael had to move from his studio to his home.
We appreciate him making it.

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Speaker 4 Welcome back to the Megan Kelly Show. Joining me now, someone from the other side of the aisle, Anna Kasparian.
She's host and executive producer of The Young Turks. Anna, welcome back.

Speaker 4 Great to see you.

Speaker 4 All right, so this could be your your future.

Speaker 4 As somebody who is not necessarily in the Donald Trump fan club,

Speaker 4 I don't see you in the red hat.

Speaker 4 You too, if you know Kid Rock at all,

Speaker 4 or even I think I could do it, could get invited to the White House to sit down with Donald Trump. He brought Bill Maher.
He was on Bill Maher's show.

Speaker 4 He convinced Bill Maher to go to the White House to the satisfaction of no one.

Speaker 4 No one wanted to see this. It's kind of like when Mika and Joe went to Mar-a-Lago.
And Bill did it, even though he really doesn't like Donald Trump.

Speaker 4 And he says he's going to talk about it on his show. I guess he's off this Friday, but I guess the following Friday.

Speaker 4 But in the meantime, we're getting a flavor for what went down because Kid Rock went on Fox and Friends the next morning and said this.

Speaker 15 Me, Bill, Dana White, and

Speaker 15 it could not have been better. Everyone was so surprised, so, so pleasant.

Speaker 15 The most shocking thing to me was, you know, Bill's obviously a very big liberal, been very hard in the president, but he's donated a lot of money to other politicians.

Speaker 15 You know, you've had Biden, Clinton, Obama, everybody. He had never been to the White House.
And the president was so gracious. He took us up to the private residence.

Speaker 15 We saw the Gettysburg Address in the Lincoln bedroom. And I was like, you've never been here, Bill? And I was like, how about this? President Trump, you know, extending this olive branch.

Speaker 15 And like, and we talked about things we had in common, you know, ending wokeness, you know, you know, securing the border.

Speaker 15 You know, the president was asking him what he thought about policy, you know, going on with Iran and Israel and things. It was, it, it just meant, it blew my mind.

Speaker 15 It was, I was, I was, you know, very, very proud.

Speaker 4 Amazing. And by the way, it was also added that Marr showed up with a list of terrible things that Trump had said about Marr, and he showed it, I guess, to President Trump,

Speaker 4 who signed it and gave it back to him.

Speaker 4 Wow. Classic.
Classic.

Speaker 4 Anyway, so what do you make of it? Because the left is very unhappy with Bill for doing this.

Speaker 4 I don't know that the right is loving it either, but I think they're used to Trump doing this now because he's had a parade of liberals come to him from big tech people to media people.

Speaker 4 So what's your take on it?

Speaker 12 Well, I have some experience with this, not necessarily meeting with Donald Trump, of course, but, you know, the culture where you're not supposed to talk to the other side at all.

Speaker 12 I mean, I've lost friends for my willingness to come on shows like this one because I think it's important to have these conversations. I do think that there are areas of common ground.

Speaker 12 It doesn't mean you need to be a Trump supporter, but Trump is the president of the United States, meaning he's meant to represent everyone, including individuals who did not vote for him.

Speaker 12 And if the left in general is unwilling to even have a conversation with anyone on the right, including the president, well, how are you ever going to expect him to consider the issues that matter the most to you?

Speaker 12 So I actually think opening up dialogue with individuals you disagree with is more important than just existing in this echo chamber where you're going to hear everything you want to hear, where your ideas are going to be validated.

Speaker 12 And quite frankly, where the lack of challenge to your ideas will make you quite weak and unappealing eventually to the electorate.

Speaker 4 Do you think,

Speaker 4 you know, I know Bill loosely. I've been on his show many times.
I really do think he can't stand President Trump.

Speaker 4 He truly has got like a sincere case of the TDS, but he did this, which was extraordinary. So, do you think there's any chance he comes out liking Trump?

Speaker 12 Knowing Bill Maher's values, it's unlikely.

Speaker 12 I do think that they have some common ground because of the fact that Bill Maher is willing to call out some of the pathologies on the left, some of the culture, cultural issues on the left, the closed-mindedness and stuff like that.

Speaker 12 So, I think that finding that common ground is important. And I think that's what kind of opened up this situation where they can sit down and have a conversation with each other.

Speaker 12 But that doesn't necessarily mean that Bill Maher is going to be like a red hat wearing Trump supporter tomorrow. It just means that at least he had a dialogue.

Speaker 12 Maybe he's better, he's better suited to understand where Trump is coming from and vice versa.

Speaker 12 It's just an important thing to do when you have two major public figures who disagree with each other come together.

Speaker 12 And I think what Kid Rock said about the importance of healing the country is very much true.

Speaker 12 Again, you have two very different sides, but is there a way that the two different sides can work together where they have common ground and also not engage in this really disgusting fear-mongering and dehumanization that we've seen in this country for the last several decades in regard to the other side?

Speaker 12 We need to get past that because we need to bring Americans together. I hate the fact that we've been dehumanizing each other for so long.

Speaker 4 I'll tell you a funny story of how I met Kid Rock. It was 15 years ago.
I was hosting an afternoon show on Fox called America Live.

Speaker 4 And I would go through the show email while on the air, like during the commercial breaks, and the audience would write in and you kept it interactive.

Speaker 4 And an email popped up saying it was from Kid Rock and that he was in town in New York that night for his birthday and was wondering if Doug, my husband, and I, could come.

Speaker 4 And it said where the party was. And it just had the ring of truth because it was specific.
It had Doug's name, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 4 But I was also like, this has got to be bullshit. So I forwarded it to my booker and I was like, can you see if this is real? Because I actually am a fan of Kid Rock's.

Speaker 4 And so she got back to me and said, it's real. So that night, Doug and I went to this little bar that Kid Rock was having his birthday party in.
We walked in. He was sitting there.
He looked at me.

Speaker 4 He goes, holy shit, it worked.

Speaker 4 And we became friends ever after. So I really like him a lot.

Speaker 4 And he's, listen, he's gone, you know, he's very pro-Trump now and he's MAGA, but he really was a political independent who was very open-minded I would put him closer to like a Joe Rogan who was maybe a lot in a lot of ways more blue in his politics but then we all lost our loving minds as a culture and he's kid rock for god's sake i mean there was there's zero chance that he is going to go woke and that among other issues i think drove him into the arms of donald trump and maga

Speaker 12 Yeah, I mean, look, I think that there are a few different things happening simultaneously. And I, I definitely played a role in it.

Speaker 12 And then once I realized how toxic it was, I tried to kind of reform the way that, you know, the majority of people on the left think about engaging in dialogue.

Speaker 12 So if you want to have any influence or sway over people in positions of power, whether it be a member of the media, whether it be a politician or even the president of the United States,

Speaker 12 You can't just close yourself off to talking to the other side, right? And if you do, then you're not going to have any influence.

Speaker 12 You're going to be part of your cutesy little exclusive club where you engage in purity contests and you purge people away or purge people out of your group.

Speaker 12 Whereas, I don't know, maybe I'm wrong about this, and I'm going to ask you. I feel that the right wing, whether they're doing it because of who they are,

Speaker 12 their own personal culture and how they value conversations, or whether they're doing it as a way of accumulating power, they bring people in, even if there are some significant disagreements.

Speaker 12 If there are areas where they can find commonality or agreement with the other side, they're super welcoming and inviting. And that's how you build power.
That's how you build power.

Speaker 12 I mean, you bring people in, you don't push people out.

Speaker 4 I totally agree with that. And I do think there's a reason for it.
I think it's because people who are on the right spend their whole lives dealing with people who disagree with them.

Speaker 4 You know, that's just society, while it's split, you know, 50-50 or 55-45, depending on the era, Dem and Republican. And now that Republicans have the edge these days.

Speaker 4 But overall, liberals control the institutions. You know, they've controlled the media for a long time.
They control Hollywood. They control big sports.
They control big corporations.

Speaker 4 So if you're a conservative or even just center-right, like you have to deal with them everywhere.

Speaker 4 And K through 12, not to mention college education, my God, everyone, everyone's liberal and they want you to be too. So you either need to like be able to talk the talk or be able to politely engage.

Speaker 4 And as I always say, not make that the stakes of your friendship if you're talking about actual friends, you know, because

Speaker 4 where I grew up, you'd have no friends if you only waited for conservatives to come into your life, right? Like I was living on the upper west side of Manhattan for the past 17 years.

Speaker 4 I wouldn't have a single friend if I waited for it to be all conservatives.

Speaker 4 And I didn't really want to hang out with my Fox people because while they were fine at work, you know, it's like, you don't want to fill your social life with media people.

Speaker 4 That's, you know, that doesn't, that's not where anybody wants to go. So yeah, I think you're absolutely right.
But it's disheartening.

Speaker 4 It's disheartening because, you know, recently I lost a friendship over politics. I mean, at this point in my life, I thought we'd be past that.

Speaker 4 But as I've gotten more pro-MAGA, that's been like a deal breaker for some of my leftist friends.

Speaker 12 I mean, I'm not even pro-MAGA. I'm just someone who's willing to have these types of conversations.
And I've lost friends over that.

Speaker 12 You know, my core values haven't changed, but I also realized that on some issues, I didn't have all the information and I changed my mind based on additional information I was exposed to.

Speaker 12 But, you know, the cultish treatment of politics, I think, has been really, really toxic for this country.

Speaker 12 And if you're already at a point where you're automatically dehumanizing the other side or a member of the other side, you've gone way, way too far.

Speaker 12 And you're actually taking part in what's ripping the country apart. So I'm not a Kid Rock fan.
I want to be clear about that. But the fact that he, out of all these people,

Speaker 12 out of all these people was able to set up a meeting between Bill Maher and Donald Trump is admirable. So I'm glad that Bill Maher did it.

Speaker 12 I hope that he doesn't get too much backlash because I don't see him as someone who's going to, you know, go out and start cheerleading the Trump administration, but I don't either.

Speaker 12 He's leading by example. Having these conversations is important.

Speaker 4 Yeah, and Trump's ripped on him too. I mean, it's been a mutual non-admiration society.
So perhaps he'll be a thaw.

Speaker 4 He is, to his credit, Bill Maher is a comedian who still wants to be funny. You know, he does his monologue every week.
He rips on both sides.

Speaker 4 He's genuinely looking to make people laugh and he's really good at it.

Speaker 4 Okay, so do we take this over into the field of romance, though? You know, our general mutual philosophy of don't rule out somebody as a friend or somebody you'd speak to because of their politics.

Speaker 4 Because there's this viral video. I'm sure you saw it going around on the internet.
I saw it on X, but I'm sure it's on Insta and TikTok and all of them.

Speaker 4 Of this liberal woman who says she broke up with her boyfriend over politics. And this has engendered so many strong feelings in the comments section.

Speaker 4 Wherever it gets posted, here's a bit of it in SOT 38.

Speaker 16 So I am obviously like very much, everyone knows that I'm a liberal woman. My brother's gay, all my friends are gay, also like abortion rights, female rights, haha.

Speaker 16 But anyways, so I would like always ask him, I'd be like, what, like, what's, what's your politics? Like, what do you, who do you, where do you lean?

Speaker 4 And he was just like, well, like, socially, I'm a liberal, but economically, I'm a Republican.

Speaker 6 Fuck that.

Speaker 16 Okay, fuck this. This is my last straw.
Again, I'm a very liberal woman.

Speaker 16 I have to date someone that is on the same page as me because I can't disagree with someone on something that is so important to me for the rest of my life. I fully respect Republicans.

Speaker 16 I understand that you want to vote that way, but for me, I don't want to marry you and I don't want to date you. So we ended it and

Speaker 16 No regrets. I've been single ever since.
It was awesome. It's been awesome.

Speaker 4 Like virtually every man I follow at X had the same response: Dodged a bullet there, man. Congrats.
Can I just, before we get to the substance of I won't date a guy who doesn't share my politics,

Speaker 4 she's extremely unlikable. She's caustic.
She's smug. She's, she said, there's an arrogance to her.
Like, it's my way or the highway. I know better.

Speaker 4 I mean, you're disgusting because you don't agree with me politically. Like, there's a disdain,

Speaker 4 even though half the country disagrees with her politically. A lot of really good, beautiful people disagree with her politically.

Speaker 4 Why is that associated so often with these liberal women who do these posts on social media?

Speaker 12 Well, I have seen a lot of posts like that. But look, I'm just going to say, she seems to know herself and what she wants really well, and she's going for it.
So go for it.

Speaker 12 You know, I actually don't have any ill feelings toward her at all because she's determined. I'm unwilling to move even an inch on my politics.

Speaker 12 But I do agree that she might be closing herself off to individuals that would be wonderful for her, including her now ex-boyfriend, because people change, people grow and they shift their positions on issues here and there.

Speaker 12 I think it's wrong to think that

Speaker 12 someone's political identity can't be fluid. I think it's fluid to some extent.
What I find really interesting is that he agreed with her on social issues.

Speaker 12 And the agreement on social issues, it's what's really likely to lead to a smoother relationship.

Speaker 12 You know, if he's more fiscally conservative, I don't think that's necessarily something that should be a deal breaker.

Speaker 4 I'll tell you something, though. I'll tell you something right now, Anna.
He didn't agree with her on social issues. It was a lie.
Probably. If he's fiscally conservative, he's not.

Speaker 4 In today's social environment, maybe like the social environment of 15 years ago, where the big thing was like gay marriage.

Speaker 4 Yeah, you know, you could be like a pro-choice, pro-gay marriage Republican, like a Rudy Giuliani.

Speaker 4 But there is zero chance in today's today's day and age, somebody who says they're fiscally conservative is actually socially liberal too. I don't believe it.

Speaker 4 So she was right that they had vast differences. I just find her so

Speaker 4 disdainful and unlikable.

Speaker 4 And women like that are giving like my liberal friends a bad name because she's so nasty and seems to be like playing fast and loose with this guy's feelings, like he's a nothing to her just because he has different politics.

Speaker 4 All right, one more for you on the culture front.

Speaker 4 And this is another woman, and this is going to take us to a place that I've really been dying to discuss this is a woman named Paige Connell she's a tick tock mom influencer and she decided to post a very long I watched five I give this woman five minutes of my life which I'll never get back it was all about how

Speaker 4 she's a working mom her husband works too they have kids she's very very unsatisfied with the amount or was of housework and support he was bringing to the home and she really had to lecture him into doing more and then was extremely disappointed when he did not live up to like her expectations.

Speaker 4 Let me play what we have of it. Saw 39.

Speaker 17 My husband and I had four kids. We both worked full-time.
We had been together for 16 years at this point.

Speaker 17 And on paper, I have an amazing husband, but I was incredibly frustrated and burnt out from our marriage and from motherhood.

Speaker 17 And when we have kids, women tend to carry a disproportionate amount of the work in the home, the work of raising kids, and the mental load.

Speaker 17 About three months after my fourth baby was born, I remember looking at my husband and saying, I need more. I need you to do more.

Speaker 17 And I said, okay, you know, something that would make my life easier is if in the mornings when I came downstairs with the four kids, because I do mornings by myself, the dishwasher was emptied, the dishes were put away, and the trash was taken out.

Speaker 17 And so of course, he does it, but then I have to remind him and then he forgets. Felt so disrespected and unseen and unvalued at that point in time.

Speaker 17 So we did the work to figure out what equity looked like in our relationship. And it can hurt your relationship.
It can ruin your marriage if you do not participate in an equitable way in your home.

Speaker 4 But here's the thing that most men I follow on Twitter are responding to on X.

Speaker 4 They're offended that a wife would post a diss video about her husband on the internet in any way, shape, or form.

Speaker 12 Yeah, look, I have a broader point to make about that culture, and it goes well beyond wives posting about their husbands. Please stop airing your dirty laundry on social media.

Speaker 12 Honestly, have a little bit of respect, a modicum of respect for the people in your personal life, even if you're in the middle of a feud with them.

Speaker 12 How about respect their privacy and work it out privately? You don't need a bunch of random strangers chiming in on your relationship.

Speaker 12 I would never in a million years do that to my husband or my friends or to my colleagues, which has been done to me many, many times. I think it's disgusting.
It shows a lack of maturity.

Speaker 12 Have the conversation privately. Work out your own drama and your own issues privately.
So that's point number one. Point number two is, look, a marriage, as I'm sure you know, is it's a partnership.

Speaker 12 And I think when you fail to see it as a partnership and you instead kind of like tally who's doing what and whether or not you're, you know, pulling your weight or he's pulling his weight, that's just a toxic environment to function in, to have a relationship in.

Speaker 12 And so I learned that lesson pretty early on in my marriage. I remember in the very beginning, it was like, okay, he's got his bank account.
I've got my bank account and he's going to pay these bills.

Speaker 12 I'm going to pay those bills. For some marriages, that works out.

Speaker 12 But I remember, you know, Jenk Uger, my co-host and the founder of the Young Turks, he kind of pulled me aside and said, you're kind of paving a path to a lot of conflict here.

Speaker 12 You have to see your marriage as a partnership and don't think of it as his money versus my money. And honestly, that was the best advice I ever got in my marriage.
And we do really well together.

Speaker 12 And I don't, you know, he's not keeping track of whether I'm pulling my weight. I'm not keeping track of whether he's pulling his weight.

Speaker 12 We have mutual love and mutual respect for each other, and we look out for each other. That's what, that's, in my opinion, a successful marriage.

Speaker 4 It reminds me of not your particular example, but you know, remember the Joy Club?

Speaker 4 The Joy Luck Club, where one of the four women, it's all about these four moms and then their next gen coming up and the lives that all eight women are leading.

Speaker 4 And the one daughter of the mom is in a marriage where the guy makes her write down if she ate the tub of ice cream that was in the freezer, because it's going to come off of her share of the grocery money.

Speaker 4 You know, she ate the ice cream, and that's $4

Speaker 4 that she now owes. It was so, I mean, it's abusive, really, is what it is.
It's abusive.

Speaker 4 But I do think there's something happening with men and women in, you know, on the conservative side of the aisle that's a little upsetting to me right now. And that is like as

Speaker 4 we have bent over backwards as conservatives or right-leaning people to make clear to women that they don't have to quote have it all, that like if they don't want to work outside of the home and they want to be stay-at-home wives or stay-at-home moms too, like doing it all,

Speaker 4 that's a totally amazing choice. And no one should look down on it.
It's the most important job in the world.

Speaker 4 It's literally the most important job of the world to be a mother and to raise good children.

Speaker 4 But like so many things, we overcorrect. We do it on the right.
The left does it too. And what's happening right now on the right to some extent is it's morphing into,

Speaker 4 and there's something wrong with somebody who works. And the women who work are less attractive and not good partners.

Speaker 4 And also, if you choose to work in like your 20s and your 30s and spend a lot of time at the office, you're effing up your whole life.

Speaker 4 You're not going to meet a man and you're not going to have a kid, even though that's not necessarily true.

Speaker 4 It's much easier to meet somebody and have a baby in your 20s because you're young and you got your totally golden eggs. But so many women have kids in their 30s.
I mean, without fertility help.

Speaker 4 And we've just sort of gotten to this place on the right where the messaging to me is like,

Speaker 4 it's making me really uncomfortable. What do you make of it?

Speaker 12 Well, it's always made me uncomfortable, especially because I think the best possible situation is the situation in which women get to decide, right?

Speaker 12 So if they decide they want to be stay-at-home mothers. I think it's important to have the economic conditions that allow for that to happen.
And I have a lot of respect for stay-at-home moms.

Speaker 12 I agree with you. I think that's literally the most difficult job in the world.

Speaker 12 And it's important for kids to have that close relationship with their mother growing up, especially in like the formative years.

Speaker 12 But I do think that it's possible for mothers to work and still be great mothers. The thing is, a lot of women don't even have that choice.
You get what I'm saying?

Speaker 12 Especially in this current economy with inflation. So I would love to live in a world where I could be a stay-at-home, you know, housewife, but it's just not realistic.

Speaker 12 You know, we got to pay our bills and we both have to work.

Speaker 12 But I really do think if we had that economic situation in place, a lot of women would choose to be stay-at-home mothers and it should be their choice.

Speaker 12 I don't think it's anyone's place to judge the decisions that are made by any family, right?

Speaker 12 It's up to that family to decide what works best for them and whether or not they could afford the setup that they want to pursue.

Speaker 4 But here's what's happening on the right.

Speaker 4 Young women, and I talk to young conservative women all the time about their lives and their goals and the things that they want.

Speaker 4 And what's happening is they can't find men who are maybe more conservative. Usually they're looking for somebody who is religious.

Speaker 4 A lot of conservative women tend to be

Speaker 4 God-loving conservatives. And

Speaker 4 they can't find a lot of young men who want to marry a working woman now. This is an actual pattern that's coming up on the right.

Speaker 4 And to me, it's so sad because it's like, how did we get to the point where we're now telling young, conservative, amazing women that they're not attractive if they also work.

Speaker 4 If they choose to, let's say, do what I'm doing and what you're doing and like get their voice out there but I'll stick with me just because I think conservatives listening to this will like the thought of another Megan Kelly voice up and coming well why wouldn't we want that why would we take somebody who's talented in this field and really wants to make a difference and have the messaging to her be you're really not that valuable unless you give it up and go into the home and only have a family and only raise a family.

Speaker 4 And not only are we sending her that message, but young men are actually believing that. They're actually believing it, especially on the right, because like the trad mom has gotten so popular.

Speaker 4 And it's like, no, if we do that, we're not going to have any strong conservative or right-leaning women to provide a role model for younger conservative women who, and there's nothing to apologize for here,

Speaker 4 don't necessarily want to spend all their 20s and their 30s getting married and having kids or can't. They just weren't able to meet somebody and definitely don't need to be shamed over it.

Speaker 12 Yeah, I mean, look, I totally agree with you.

Speaker 12 I'm of two minds of this, though, because if you are a young man and you know what you want and you think you have the earning power to literally carry the entire family financially, well, then I guess wait around until you find the right woman for you.

Speaker 12 But I think most women, not all, but most women, even conservative women, think it's important to have some level of financial independence, right?

Speaker 12 I mean, you never know if your marriage is going to go perfectly well. Things could fall apart.

Speaker 12 And if you haven't been in the job market at all for a long time, it's going to be difficult for you to get back in. So look, it really depends on the guy.

Speaker 12 And if he really has a problem with his wife working, well, then

Speaker 12 that's on him. And I think he's actually going to have some difficulty finding a partner.

Speaker 12 But there's so many factors to consider, including the financial difficulty of living in a single income household where you're trying to raise kids.

Speaker 12 And look, I also think whether these guys want to believe it or not, when you have a stay-at-home wife,

Speaker 12 I've seen too many instances of this resentment building because for whatever reason, guys tend to think that, oh, well, she's staying home. She's not out there working as hard as I am.

Speaker 12 She's just home raising the kids. She has a comfortable life.
I'm providing for her. This like resentment starts to build.
And I've seen it all over the place.

Speaker 12 I've seen it in contexts like my own family i've seen it you know outside of my family and so i i think they don't really know what they're asking for here but i could be wrong who knows and i agree with you i think that it is important to have strong female voices on both sides of the political aisle and i think they could really be hurting the conservative movement by essentially you know banning women from taking part in conservative media.

Speaker 12 I mean, you're one of the strongest conservative voices, you know, female voices out there. So if you didn't exist, I don't know.
I just don't think the conservative message would be as powerful.

Speaker 4 Well, thank you for that. I think they'd be fine, but I do think that there's a strain, especially of young women who appreciate seeing a strong conservative woman

Speaker 4 who's had a voice in this lane and also had a family.

Speaker 4 I know now you get shamed for saying that you can have it all, but you can. I'm sorry.
I'll never say anything different. You can.

Speaker 4 Yes, there are risks. Yes, you you know, if you, if what's most important to you is to have children and also ideally to be with them even in your golden years.

Speaker 4 And sadly, you know, I mean, I had mine when I was older, so that that clips the time that you'll be old with them and ideally grandchildren in your life, but just didn't work out for me that way.

Speaker 4 I met my husband when I was 35. But anyway,

Speaker 4 so if you really want to have kids when you're very young, yes, you may have to table career opportunities for a while, but In my case, I just feel like it worked out wonderfully.

Speaker 4 And all I want people to know is this too is a potential option for you. I do believe if you want it badly enough, you will make it happen.
You will make your career happen.

Speaker 4 You will make your amazing marriage happen. You will make your great kids happen too.

Speaker 12 Right. And look, I think that I remember you had put out some tweet and a lot of conservative women were like dogpiling on you.
And I think the reason why that happened is because

Speaker 12 there's always this statement about how women can have it all. And I agree with you.
I think women can be mothers. I think they can raise a family and still have a career.

Speaker 12 But that message also needs to be followed up with the reality of how it is challenging and it's incredibly difficult, right? It's not as easy as it is.

Speaker 12 for a man and that's because of the gender dynamics at play you know a woman women in general tend to be more nurturing uh that's the evolutionary advantage that women have they're the ones who do the nurturing of the family of the children and so when you add a career on top of that, that becomes very challenging and difficult.

Speaker 12 And you, I can see women kind of pushing back because they're probably exhausted. They're probably raising a family while also juggling a career.
And I think they just want that validation.

Speaker 12 They want that acknowledgement of how much more difficult it is to do that, but it is still possible to do that and have it all.

Speaker 4 Totally.

Speaker 4 I agree with everything you just said. And I just, my only point is like, don't forget that

Speaker 4 it's also possible to potentially have it all. I mean, I'm living proof of it.
And yes, people say you have money. You're right.
That's made it a lot easier. How did I get the money? I earned it.

Speaker 4 I earned every nickel of it myself. And how did I do that? I busted my ass when I was in my 20s and 30s and built a name and a career for myself.
I'm sorry, but like.

Speaker 4 I find it very disempowering to just tell all these women, like, you're really going to have to choose.

Speaker 4 Look, the reality is, if what's your number one thing is to have kids, having them earlier is better because fertility issues would or could kick in later in your 30s.

Speaker 4 Sometimes women don't meet people early enough. I've had so many young girls say to me, and

Speaker 4 my viewers will email me and say, I would love to have gotten married before now. I didn't meet anybody.

Speaker 4 So I feel like conservative men need to stop shaming them because so many of them are trying and just aren't able to. But I will say this.

Speaker 4 The tweet that I sent out about you can make your own fortune.

Speaker 4 You can get your own swanky New York City apartment and and also find somebody who wants to be with you on valentine's day and have children with you and stay with you was in response to ashley st.

Speaker 4 Clair, the Elon alleged baby mama. That was about her because that, to me, is not an okay choice.

Speaker 4 You want to bang a billionaire and have his kid? Whatever. That's between you and the billionaire.

Speaker 4 But then you may not play the victim when he doesn't turn out to be Prince Charming on Valentine's Day wanting to spend his day with you. Shock, shock.

Speaker 4 It's not actually a loving partnership. You know, she clearly wanted to have his child and get on the Elon support program.
Her earlier tweets make that clear. So she did it.
That's it.

Speaker 4 She got exactly what she bargained for. And I don't feel sorry for her at all that he doesn't want to be a good boyfriend to her and may or may not be dicking her around.

Speaker 4 I mean, he's claiming he's not, but whatever. That's my point.
Yeah.

Speaker 12 Well, I actually have a question for you because

Speaker 12 Look, I'm personally disgusted with the fact that he's like having all these children children with different women.

Speaker 12 And for a long time, you know, that was one of the areas where I agreed with conservatives, right? Like conservatives would be pretty judgmental toward men that would act that way or behave that way.

Speaker 12 Now, I see that very differently from someone who established a family, but. for whatever reason, the marriage falls apart.
They unfortunately get a divorce.

Speaker 12 And then later on in life, he finds someone else and has another family, right? I don't want to be too judgmental toward people like that. Life happens.
It is what it is.

Speaker 12 But with Elon Musk, it's like he's intentionally having children with different women. I don't think that's something to celebrate.

Speaker 12 And I'm kind of shocked that conservatives haven't been more willing to kind of, you know, criticize him for that. And I get, by the way, I agree with you with Ashley St.
Clair.

Speaker 12 Yeah, what did you expect, Ashley? He had already had a bunch of children from different women prior to you having his child, allegedly. You know, we don't know for sure the paternity.

Speaker 12 And he's called it into question. But I don't understand why it's okay to celebrate a guy who's this careless and irresponsible with bringing children into this world.

Speaker 4 I don't even know it's carelessness. I mean, I think it's in this case, it may have been with Ashley St.

Speaker 4 Clair, if indeed it's his child, but with the other women, it's like most of these are IVF babies, at least the ones who have come in the past few years.

Speaker 4 Two women at the same time impregnated, if I'm not wrong, with twins of Elon's via IVF. So, very clearly, an intentional choice choice by all involved.
Right.

Speaker 4 So, you know, like, I don't know what that's about. If I ever get to interview Elon, maybe he'll tell me, but I know he's like seriously committed ideologically to

Speaker 4 slowing population rates. He really feels that there's a societal responsibility to repopulate.
And I know it's like the joke. Oh, he's doing his part, but I actually think that's what he's doing.

Speaker 4 Now,

Speaker 4 what happens to these babies who grow up without a father?

Speaker 4 Very valid question. I don't know the answer to that, and I don't think I like the answer to that.

Speaker 4 I think the reason most people give Elon a pass is because he's just such a larger than life figure who's about just so much more than his personal life that it almost just gets shrunk.

Speaker 4 It's like talking about like, you know, Thomas Jefferson with his affair partner. It's like, we don't really care.
He's Thomas Jefferson for the love of God.

Speaker 4 Like some people are so much larger and doing so much good for society, depending on your viewpoint, that it's, it just seems like minutiae.

Speaker 4 It seems petty and small ball to pay attention to those things. But wait, I want to say one other thing about Ashley St.
Clair because she got back into the news on

Speaker 4 it was just the other day. She was like trying to sell her Tesla because she's claiming she's a pauper now.

Speaker 4 Here she is.

Speaker 13 I'm selling it because I need to make up for the 60% cut that Elon made to our Sun's child.

Speaker 13 Why do you think that he did that?

Speaker 13 That's a great question for him.

Speaker 13 You feel like he was sort of like vindictive against you in some way?

Speaker 13 Uh yeah, that's his mother's operandi when women uh speak up.

Speaker 13 When was the last time that you you spoke to him or tried to speak to him?

Speaker 13 February 13th. But he's just not responding to you at all.

Speaker 13 How is it characterised the way that he's going about?

Speaker 13 I'm sure you can check the stock. So I am.

Speaker 4 Okay. I'm not the only one

Speaker 13 cleaning up after his messes.

Speaker 4 I'm not the only one cleaning up after his messes. After she posted that of her allegedly selling her Tesla, he posted it on X.

Speaker 4 I don't know if the child's mine or not, but I am not against finding out. No core order is needed.
Despite not knowing for sure, I've given Ashley $2.5 million and I'm sending her $500,000

Speaker 4 a year.

Speaker 4 Then she fired back. We asked you to do a paternity test and you wouldn't, but she doesn't, she doesn't dispute.

Speaker 4 She says, you weren't sending me money.

Speaker 4 You were sending support for your child that you thought was unnecessary until you withdrew most of it to maintain control and punish me for, quote, disobedience.

Speaker 4 But you're really only punishing your son. All right.
So first of all,

Speaker 4 2.5 million? Like, she's not disputing she got that.

Speaker 4 She's saying, you know, you're my $500,000 a year, I guess. He took some of it away.

Speaker 4 How many women out there who get pregnant by a man they're not married to get a check for 2.5 million? She doesn't get it. Like,

Speaker 4 that's what made me sent that post.

Speaker 4 It's not about that post, but my point is simply to a young woman who wants a fabulous New York apartment because she was bragging about how swanky it was to the New York Post.

Speaker 4 You can do, you can do that. You, you don't have to bang a billionaire and have a love child.
By the way, it's her second, who she had out of wedlock before she turned 30,

Speaker 4 in order to pave your own path with gold. You know, I said to Britt Hume when I was young and I divorced my first husband, with whom I'm still friendly, but he had just become an attending physician.

Speaker 4 I was married to him during med school and residency and internship. We had no money.
And I said, I'm the worst gold digger of all time. And Britt Hume said to me, forget that.
Dig your own gold.

Speaker 4 And that's really my message for her. Dig your own damn gold.

Speaker 4 It's so disempowering for people like this to think their path to the to the golden road is screwing some rich guy and then hijacking him for millions.

Speaker 12 Totally.

Speaker 12 You know, um, in Armenian, there's a phrase, it's called tzak ochk, and that means when you are eyeing other people's wealth, when you're eyeing other people's hard-earned, you know, income, and when you're, you want it for yourself, you want to take it for yourself.

Speaker 12 And so, you know, growing up, I just remember my parents really instilling in me, don't look at other people's money. Don't look to take from others.

Speaker 12 Look toward the future and how you can build for yourself. And I'm really, really grateful that I had that upbringing because I love freedom.
Okay.

Speaker 12 And honestly, in America, in any capitalist society, Freedom means you're able to earn your own living and you're not reliant on anyone else. You're not relying on your husband.

Speaker 12 I, let me be clear, believe in a robust social safety net and I would like to make ours more robust here in the United States because sometimes things happen, people lose their jobs, they get laid off and they need a little bit of help.

Speaker 12 However, you know, being independent and not needing help from anyone is like the definition of freedom for me

Speaker 12 because I get to make my own decisions. I get to marry the man that I love without being worried about whether or not he has enough earning power.

Speaker 12 And I think that's really the main reason why I'm in a happy marriage, to be quite frank.

Speaker 4 Yeah. No, it's funny.
I mean, like, I married my husband, he was making a lot more money than I was at the time. And then eventually that switched just because media is such a crazy industry.

Speaker 4 But it's wonderful that we met and fell in love when the rules were reversed. You know, like I love that about us.

Speaker 4 Neither one of us has to worry. He doesn't have to worry that I'm a gold digger.
And I don't have to worry that he's one. You know, I mean, we're both, we married each other because we fell in love.

Speaker 4 I was already a professional. I was already on television.
I had been a lawyer. In any event, I want options for our young women.

Speaker 4 I want them to be able to make whatever choice that works for them without getting ashamed. But I also think it's important that there are options, right?

Speaker 4 It's like in the same way the 1950s women couldn't find jobs because they weren't out there.

Speaker 4 I don't want us to get to the point where young conservative women can't find husbands because they're not willing to look at a young woman who actually does have a career. This is not a solution.

Speaker 12 And let me just say one other thing.

Speaker 12 You know, there are some female conservatives that I listen to specifically because I want to be well-rounded and understand what, you know, people believe and where they're coming from on the opposite side of the political spectrum.

Speaker 12 You know, Amber Duke is a good example. She's one of the hosts over at The Hill.
I love her, right? I don't agree with her on some things, but that's okay.

Speaker 12 I'm way more willing to listen to what you have to say or what Amber Duke has to say as a woman on the left, because your communication style is more inviting to people like me, women on the left.

Speaker 12 So, you know, I think that the trad culture is really kind of hurting itself by

Speaker 12 advocating for the removal of an entire group of conservative women from public spaces, from the media, who I think speak to or have a better communication style that could be persuasive to folks on the left.

Speaker 12 So that's another thing to consider.

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Speaker 4 Welcome back to the Megan Kelly Show. Back with me with me now, Anna Kasparian of the Young Turks.
So comedian Bill Burr goes to an event for Conan

Speaker 4 for Conan at the Kennedy Center. And this just the other night.
And Conan O'Brien, and he gets asked on the red carpet a couple of political questions by random reporters.

Speaker 4 Bill Bill Barr has Burr has made multiple political comments before this moment. But look, the man acts like he's had a bad case of amnesia.

Speaker 4 He doesn't know why on earth they'd be speaking to him about politics. Watch.

Speaker 12 Tell us about your reaction to Luigi Mangiani.

Speaker 4 I was reading up, you know, that perhaps you've been supportive of what he did.

Speaker 7 What is your take on that?

Speaker 20 If you were reading up, I don't think you read up on it. Because I said what I felt about it, and I said what a lot of people.

Speaker 9 People took it that way.

Speaker 20 So could you clarify what you think? No, I'm not going to just have some controversial moments so you can get clicks. I'm not doing that.

Speaker 4 I'm here for Conan.

Speaker 20 I'm not doing all of this.

Speaker 21 You said about Elon that he was ruining Earth, I saw, on the View. You're critical of him.
What do you think of all the boycotts, even the violence? I watch the news.

Speaker 20 I don't watch the news. I have no idea what's going on.
I watch Instagram. I watch people wipe out on motorcycles.
I watch lions and hyenas fight each other. This is the things that I do.

Speaker 7 You're a German. Comedians are on top of current events.

Speaker 4 No, no.

Speaker 20 That's weak. That's you guys passing the buck.
You guys need to have balls again, which you don't.

Speaker 7 You guys always go, should we be thinking this?

Speaker 20 You guys present stuff like that. You guys used to have balls.
You need to get your balls back.

Speaker 4 Okay. He's not into politics.
He doesn't want to comment on news. In response to which, I have this to say.

Speaker 7 Sure, Jan.

Speaker 4 Okay, here's just one example on the two topics he was asked about that we found in about 10 seconds. Watch.

Speaker 22 But CNN and Fox News are not going to bring up the insurance companies that are just going to keep everybody's premiums and still give themselves a bonus.

Speaker 6 Yes.

Speaker 6 Free Luigi.

Speaker 22 I love how they acted surprised.

Speaker 22 Why did that happen?

Speaker 3 I have no idea.

Speaker 22 He wrote on the bullets why it happened.

Speaker 1 Oh, we're back to Luigi.

Speaker 3 Okay, yeah, yeah. I never left Luigi.

Speaker 22 Why does Elon Musk dress like he just got out of a hot topic?

Speaker 22 I am so sick of that guy trying to rewrite his origin story like he was Matthew McConaughey pulling into the high school. It's like you were a nerd.
Nobody banged you. And now you have hair plugs

Speaker 22 and

Speaker 3 your laminated face.

Speaker 4 Okay, this is, I like Jimmy Fallon. He's a sweet guy.
I can speak to that personally, but the over laughter in response to things that aren't that funny is not a good way. That's a bad tick.

Speaker 4 Anyway, what do you make of Bill burr suddenly i guess what he doesn't want to talk politics anymore

Speaker 12 i found his jokes a little funny uh but i'll say this he saw the new he saw the mic flag it was the newsmax mike flag and he didn't want to give them anything that's the trouble that was He just didn't want to give them anything to broadcast.

Speaker 12 You know, maybe he doesn't trust them. Maybe he thinks they're going to take him out of context.
Who knows? But to me, it was clear he didn't want to speak to conservative media.

Speaker 4 Back to the earlier point we we were making.

Speaker 4 Try living

Speaker 4 life in my shoes, Elon's shoes, anybody named Trump's shoes. It's like, that's all you get is adversarial media with a mic in your face, right?

Speaker 4 It's like, why wouldn't you say that's, isn't that who he needs to confuse or could convince of his points?

Speaker 4 Isn't that the group watching Newsmax that he wants to get his message in front of more than anyone about Luigi and what a sympathetic character he is?

Speaker 12 I think there's this mistake made by a lot of folks on the left. And I want to be clear about how wrong they are.
So

Speaker 12 I get that media representing the other side might be adversarial. They might ask you provocative questions.

Speaker 12 But I actually think there's a lot of value speaking to them, not because you're trying to win the host over or the reporter over, but because you are sharing your message and your beliefs with an entirely new audience that may not have heard the arguments that you are making.

Speaker 12 It's not about the big public figures that you're talking to. You're not going to win them over.
That's clear.

Speaker 12 But you are sharing a message with half the country that might not have otherwise heard that message. So it's, look, do you want to persuade people or not?

Speaker 12 And if you're not interested in persuading people, that's fine.

Speaker 12 But I would venture to say that if you are in the public making political arguments, the reason why you're doing it is to persuade people.

Speaker 12 What's the point of just preaching to the choir and and just talking to people in your echo chamber? It's more effective to talk to people you disagree with.

Speaker 4 This is one of the reasons why I just sat down with the New York Times. And this and the desire for votes is the reason Kamala Harris went on Fox News with Brett Baer, which was real.

Speaker 4 We watched it with our own eyes. It didn't go particularly well, but I bring her up because I have to ask you about a report that just hit from

Speaker 4 courtesy of, was it, let's say, it's Real Clear Investigations. Yes.
Yes, Lee Fong.

Speaker 4 And And

Speaker 4 he revealed that all those brat videos, with God, how many? Do we have one? We'll just show one. Here's a remix.
Saw 24.

Speaker 4 My mother used to, she would give us a hard time sometimes, and she would say to us, I don't know what's wrong with you, young people. You think you just fell out of a coconut tree?

Speaker 4 You exist in the context

Speaker 4 of all in which you live and what came before you.

Speaker 4 These are just videos of her hysterical laughing and now dancing. This is the rebranding of Conley Harris.

Speaker 12 I love Venn diagrams.

Speaker 4 Oh, God.

Speaker 12 I really do. I love Venn diagrams.

Speaker 4 And what Lee Feng has found is that all of that was bought and paid for.

Speaker 4 Influencers who flooded the web with neon matcha green pro-Harris videos synced to beats from singer Charlie XCX's album Brat last last year, were quietly funded, quoting here, by an elusive group of Democrat billionaires and major donors in an arrangement designed to conceal the payments from voters, according to Real Clear Investigations, obtained internal documents and WhatsApp messages from Democratic strategists behind the influencer campaign, Way to Win.

Speaker 4 One of the major donor groups behind the effort spent more than $9.1 million on social media influencers during the 24 presidential election payments revealed here for the first time. It's amazing.

Speaker 4 I mean,

Speaker 4 I'm not sure we thought it was organic, but what we're learning more and more is that any piece of praise she got was either purchased or given under duress by people like Barack Obama.

Speaker 12 Well, you know,

Speaker 12 it's interesting because I do think both sides of the political aisle do this to some extent. You know, it's an effort to kind of make the candidate appear more popular than they really are.

Speaker 12 And it has a bandwagon effect, right? Where some voters who might not be as politically engaged will see this manufactured popularity, but they won't know it's manufactured.

Speaker 12 And they'll think, well, a lot of people like this guy or this gal. So I'm going to cast my ballot for that individual.

Speaker 12 But I think things have changed in our political environment where people are a lot more engaged because there's a lot on the line.

Speaker 12 You know, they have a stake in the game, whether it's the economy or something else.

Speaker 12 I just think that the Democrats being obsessed with that billionaire money is what has led to them being failures in the political system.

Speaker 12 They need to listen to the voters and ignore the billionaires. And that's how they actually bolster their popularity as opposed to doing whatever it was that Kamala was up to.

Speaker 4 I mean, it's really unclear. It reminds me of when I was in high school, we had a high school sorority.

Speaker 4 And you had to wear this very silly outfit for the whole scrub week of like your pants rolled up above your knees and a white polo shirt just hanging and tube socks pulled up high.

Speaker 4 And by the end of that week, some gals like who were younger in high school, who didn't know any better, started wearing that outfit because they actually thought it had caught on because all these girls were wearing.

Speaker 4 That's what that's what people who spread the lie, Kamala, is brat. That's what happened to you.

Speaker 4 You bought the campaign as real, hook, line, and sinker, and now should feel somewhat embarrassed and go back to your normal tree-torn sneakers and palmetto jeans with the stripes in the front.

Speaker 4 Anna, a pleasure. Again, I hope you'll come back.

Speaker 12 Thank you. Pleasure speaking with you.

Speaker 4 We'll see you soon. And we are back tomorrow with Mike and Dave talking about the political and legal issues.

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