Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene on Secrets of DC, the Israel Lobby, Jasmine Crockett, and the Future of MAGA

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Speaker 20 Welcome Welcome to the Megan Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at Noon East.

Speaker 20 Hey everyone, I'm Megan Kelly. Welcome to the Megan Kelly Show.
Today on the program, Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene. This is the first time we have ever met.

Speaker 20 Since coming onto the national scene in 2019, she has been a lightning rod for the Republican Party and a loyalist to President Donald Trump.

Speaker 20 However, she's making headlines now over cracks in her support for some of his current stances. Ukraine, Israel, the Epstein files, just to name a few.

Speaker 20 Congresswoman Green has been involved in some epic fights on Capitol Hill, but whether you like her or not, she does not back down on Fauci, the villain, the trans issue, and so much more.

Speaker 20 This is going to be a wide-ranging discussion on the current state and future of the MAGA movement and more. Joining me now, Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Green, MTG.
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Speaker 21 Thank you, Megan. I'm glad to be here.

Speaker 20 Yeah, thanks for coming all this way. Let's just start with news of the day because we're taping this on Monday.
This is going to air on Tuesday.

Speaker 20 And in the Oval Office, President Trump, who's meeting with Zelensky, was just asked about what kind of commitments are we ready to make with respect to our troops in keeping any possible peace in Ukraine?

Speaker 20 Because his emissary, Steve Witkoff, his envoy, had said

Speaker 20 the security deals are basically being negotiated, which sounds like us. And here's what he said.

Speaker 22 Your team has talked about security guarantees. Could that involve U.S.
troops? Would you roll that out in the future?

Speaker 22 We'll let you know that maybe later today. We're meeting with seven great leaders of great countries, also,

Speaker 22 and we'll be talking about that. They'll all be involved.

Speaker 20 Okay. Your thoughts on what, if any, presence we should be having over in Ukraine?

Speaker 21 Right now, taping on Monday, so we're just taking what the president just spoke of in the Oval Office. I think he's talking about potential Article 5 security

Speaker 20 agreements. The NATO agreement, which they're not a part of NATO.

Speaker 21 Right, which I'm against.

Speaker 21 Look, I campaigned all over the country for President Trump, not just in 2024, but literally for years.

Speaker 21 And I can tell you right now, the American people are very much against foreign wars, funding foreign wars, sending American troops into foreign countries to protect their borders, their interests, their people.

Speaker 21 They are appalled that we've spent $200 billion.

Speaker 21 or more in Ukraine thus far since 2022. And I don't think the American people will be happy about sending American troops with an Article 5 security agreement and promise to Ukraine.

Speaker 21 I don't think that's what the American people want. I think they want completely out of it because most Americans are looking at their daily lives.
They're looking at their bills, their rent payments.

Speaker 21 Young people today can't buy a house. They're looking at health insurance, which is a complete scam and a ripoff.
And they're going, okay, how much more is this going to cost me?

Speaker 21 So that's my first reaction.

Speaker 20 Let's talk about what a guarantee would look like.

Speaker 20 I mean, if we're guaranteeing, what, the security of Ukraine, so that if there's another Putin invasion down the line, we're required to fight it like it's our war?

Speaker 20 Yes.

Speaker 21 Essentially. So Article 5 with NATO means that any NATO country that is attacked, that means the other countries are bound in that agreement to respond with defense.

Speaker 21 And I think it can vary depending on how the country reacts and what the defense aid they give to these other countries. But it seems,

Speaker 21 it doesn't make sense to say Ukraine can never join NATO, but yet here we are, the United States, most powerful country in the world.

Speaker 21 We are going to give you Article 5, a guarantee security agreement.

Speaker 20 Like a side deal.

Speaker 21 And why do they deserve it? Is my question. Why does Ukraine...

Speaker 20 Whether they do or they don't, I don't want to give it.

Speaker 21 Exactly.

Speaker 21 You know, that's my position I don't I don't care it's my child no I Megan I fully agree with you and I think most Americans agree with you I was one of the only members of Congress that voted no from the beginning to fund the Ukraine war and I took a very strong position and literally I was on my own out of you know how'd you see that

Speaker 20 I

Speaker 21 I just saw it from so my dad was a combat war veteran in Vietnam And just growing up with a father that had been drafted and parents that had lived through the Vietnam War, you know, that whole generation, which we love them so much.

Speaker 21 And knowing so many, you know, of family members and friends that served in everything from Desert Storm to Iraq and

Speaker 21 Afghanistan and all these Middle Eastern wars. And as a member of Congress, constantly hearing from veterans that have so many broken issues, whether it's physical or mental with PTSD

Speaker 21 and can't get their needs met at the VA, and then knowing that their suicide numbers are still 22 a day. I mean, it's just common sense.
It's like we can't do this anymore. And we're broke.

Speaker 21 America's broke. We're $37 trillion in debt.
And at some point, we have to start saying no to the rest of the world and just completely say, no, we can't. We've got to focus here

Speaker 21 or we're going to implode one day.

Speaker 20 It's, I mean, the Republican Party has turned on that war and supporting it, but they weren't against it in the beginning. You know, the numbers have fallen.

Speaker 20 So it's to your credit that you saw that trouble coming right from the get-go. And it's not that, like, I have sympathy, of course, for the Ukrainian people.
I mean, what's happened is terrible.

Speaker 20 They've had terrible leaders. Yeah.
And Vladimir Putin is not a good man. That's, I mean, nobody's going to dispute that.
But not everything can be our problem.

Speaker 20 And the problem is we had Democrats who were messing with Ukraine and kind of trying to make it our problem for a number of years, which I think led us to feeling some obligation, understandably.

Speaker 20 But at this point, I mean, like you've got these two stubborn leaders.

Speaker 20 I don't know what's going to happen today. I don't have high hopes that Trump's going to get something done today.

Speaker 20 It's going to have to stop at some point because both sides are losing, you know, how many thousands by the week. So I don't know.
How do you see this ending?

Speaker 21 I'm not sure. I do want to say I have put a lot of faith and hope in the president because we all win if he's successful in ending it.

Speaker 21 However, what does America have to continue to commit to these countries in order to end their wars that we had nothing to do with?

Speaker 21 Even the Ukraine-Russia war really started in 2014 under Barack Obama.

Speaker 21 Everybody thinks it started in 2022. It didn't.
It started way back then.

Speaker 21 And then we can look at the war with Israel and Gaza or Israel and Iran or whoever in the Middle East. You know,

Speaker 21 we haven't started those wars either. And then we can say, well, what wars do we pick to get involved in? What about the ones in Africa where Christians are slaughtered all the time?

Speaker 21 It's just, it's like you said,

Speaker 21 at what point do we say, guys,

Speaker 20 not our problem. I mean, it's like 9-11.
Yeah, that was our problem. 1,000%.
That was easy to see. But all of a sudden,

Speaker 20 we could be extended all over the world at any given time with millions of American troops if we really wanted to be.

Speaker 20 So we have to make serious decisions. And we'll round back to Israel, but let me just get to know you first and have you audience.
So did you grow up in Georgia? Yes. Born and raised.
Yes.

Speaker 20 What was your family like?

Speaker 21 Oh, my gosh. Very,

Speaker 21 very downhome.

Speaker 21 My mom's side of the family have a very big family. My dad's side of the family is not as big.

Speaker 21 I have one brother, but...

Speaker 20 Older or younger?

Speaker 21 Younger, two years younger. You were the oldest.
Yes, I'm the oldest.

Speaker 21 My family, we had no money in the beginning because my dad was

Speaker 21 truck and ladder construction guy, trying to grow the family business from there. So we moved around a good bit.

Speaker 21 I went to a lot of different public schools growing up in Georgia, finished up and went to UGA.

Speaker 21 I was the first person in my family to graduate from college with a business degree, which was, you know, pretty big deal in my family as my parents weren't able to finish college.

Speaker 21 But yeah, just very normal childhood.

Speaker 20 When you graduated, did you have any hopes of becoming a politician?

Speaker 21 No, never. Oh my goodness.
I never wanted to have anything to do with politics. Never even thought of it.

Speaker 20 Were you back then, like describe the 20-year-old you? Were you feisty? Were you still like a stand-up kind of person or what were you like?

Speaker 21 No, not at all. I don't even remember arguing with a waiter in a restaurant.

Speaker 20 Really?

Speaker 21 Yes. Just very southern.
We grow up

Speaker 21 mild-mannered, polite.

Speaker 20 Bless your heart is the meanest thing you say.

Speaker 21 Well, it has two meanings. There's a sincere bless your heart, and then there's a mean, bless your heart.
Well, I only knew this.

Speaker 20 Yeah.

Speaker 20 Okay.

Speaker 21 Yeah, no, just and worked in my family construction business when I was a teenager and then graduated from college and didn't even think of applying for a job anywhere.

Speaker 21 I went straight back to our family construction business. Political family?

Speaker 20 Like, was it a lot of Republican talk or not?

Speaker 21 Not really.

Speaker 21 I mean, of course, my parents talked about everything at the kitchen table, which honestly, I think helped me so much. They discussed everything at the kitchen table as...

Speaker 21 especially about our business,

Speaker 21 whatever the problems were at the time, how much jobs cost, bidding jobs.

Speaker 20 And it was a construction business.

Speaker 21 Yes, selling jobs. I mean, really the structure of running a business, the structure of running a household, you know, household bills.

Speaker 21 My parents just, but they didn't argue. It was not arguing.
It was just discussing, which I always, I think I learned and benefited from that.

Speaker 21 I think all children benefit from that when they hear their parents.

Speaker 21 But after college,

Speaker 21 I bought my family's construction business. Took me some years to buy them out and help them into retirement.
And then away we went for over two decades. That's that's what I did.

Speaker 20 Because I read that you, you, I don't know if it was you never voted in an election until Trump or you just hadn't voted recently prior to Trump.

Speaker 21 The only election I didn't vote in was in 2012. I just couldn't vote for Mitt Romney.

Speaker 20 Okay.

Speaker 20 Why? Interesting. Because back then, Mitt Romney, I mean, at least I had a very different image of Mitt Romney in 2012 than I do now.

Speaker 21 Mitt Romney, for me,

Speaker 21 so I'm one of those voters where I have got to feel inspired to want to vote for someone. You've got to give me a reason to want to vote for them.

Speaker 21 Otherwise, I'm like, back then, I would have been like, why am I taking time out of my day? It really honestly was my mindset. He did not inspire you.
Very non-political. He did not inspire me.

Speaker 21 I voted in the first election against Obama. It's not that I like John McCain, but it was against Barack Obama.
The next time I was like, well, Barack Obama is going to win.

Speaker 21 And I definitely don't want to vote for Mitt Romney. So I was like, why would I bother?

Speaker 20 Bang Capital dog on the roof. What was it?

Speaker 21 I think he just was the wing of the Republican Party. I could not stand.
And that, for me, was a major turnoff.

Speaker 20 You were already in that place in 2012.

Speaker 21 Very much so.

Speaker 20 So when Trump comes on the scene three years later, were you like, wow?

Speaker 20 Yes.

Speaker 21 I went, this is the first.

Speaker 21 I called him a politician, but he was a candidate.

Speaker 21 I was like, this is the first politician that makes sense to me because he talked the way my father and my uncles and many men in my life, especially in the construction world, talked.

Speaker 21 He talked normal and he talked about, you know, issues that we cared about, like ending foreign wars,

Speaker 21 putting America first. And he talked about so many of the things that none of the politicians would ever dare talk about because that might not be the right way to talk.

Speaker 21 So he was very appealing.

Speaker 20 Was it love at first sight?

Speaker 21 Absolutely. For a politician? Yes, love at first sight.

Speaker 20 So you weren't buying into any of the controversies that the media was kicking around back then. You were an early supporter.

Speaker 21 I never bought into any of the garbage.

Speaker 20 Well, this would be important for your future political life to not buy into garbage being printed by the media.

Speaker 21 We didn't buy into it. I didn't buy into it.
And a lot of people I knew didn't buy into it.

Speaker 20 But you were not yet a politician, we should point out. So this, you, you were still running a construction company.
You were a business owner and businesswoman.

Speaker 21 You were raising three children.

Speaker 20 Okay, so how old were your kids at this point?

Speaker 21 Well, gosh, so they are now they are 22, 25, and 27. So they're adolescent.
Back in 2016, yeah, high school and middle school. All right.

Speaker 20 Yes. And so now at some point you decide to throw your hat in the ring and actually run for Congress, which is a huge decision.
Yes.

Speaker 20 So how do you go from not being really that political to actually running for office?

Speaker 21 I know. It sounds crazy.
So 2016, I really started paying attention because of Donald Trump. And that led, and it it was also the whole world of social media opening up.

Speaker 21 There was so much more information that was outside of mainstream news that was on social media that I found very interesting and many people did. And so I really started paying attention.

Speaker 21 And it was watching the Republicans in 2017 fail on multiple fronts. Number one, they didn't fight against the Russia hoax.
And it was so clear and obvious to me that it was a complete lie.

Speaker 21 And Republicans basically stood down and allowed Donald Trump just to be pummeled. And it was disgusting to me.
I was like, how are they doing this? It just was so repulsive. And then it was in 2018.

Speaker 21 They passed the largest budget. I think at that time it was $1.3 trillion.

Speaker 21 It was a just

Speaker 21 bloated budget. They even funded Planned Parenthood.
They did all these things that they had said they weren't going to do. And then they flat out did them.

Speaker 21 And then they did not repeal the affordable care act right and our family that hurt us in particular because we bought our own health insurance we weren't we it wasn't given to us at some job and when the affordable care act passed our family's health insurance went from around eight hundred dollars a month to over twenty four hundred dollars a month it it killed us that was more than our mortgage payment because if you had more than like a certain number of employees you really took it i remember my brother who's also a business owner in georgia was trying to keep the employees under that number.

Speaker 20 I can't remember if it was under 50 or under 100, but he was trying not to hire even one more person so he could avoid the exorbitant increases that were coming from Obamacare. Exactly.

Speaker 21 It was terrible. Right.

Speaker 20 So, you're not, so what's that doing to the economy?

Speaker 21 Killing us. It was killing us.
And so, all of those problems were supposed to be the problems that Republicans were supposed to fix.

Speaker 21 And at the same time, they weren't defending and protecting the president that we had elected and truly believed in his his message.

Speaker 21 And I'll never forget it was in January of 2019 watching Nancy Pelosi take the gavel and become Speaker of the House again.

Speaker 20 Trigger.

Speaker 21 Yeah. And I was like,

Speaker 21 I mean, I want to say the F word.

Speaker 20 You can on this podcast. I did.

Speaker 21 I was like, fuck it. I'm running for Congress.
Wow. Because I felt like they don't have regular people in there.
that understand. It's like, who is in Congress that gets it?

Speaker 21 And so I was so naive, though, Megan. I was so naive.
I just thought that you could just run for Congress and ask for everybody's vote and go up there and fix problems.

Speaker 21 And, oh, boy, it's been quite a ride since.

Speaker 20 Yeah, you've learned a lot. So you were elected in what year did you come into the Congress?

Speaker 21 2020. Right in 2020.
Yes.

Speaker 20 The height of the craziness. Insanity.
The year America lost its mind. Yes.
Now, what I remember back then was you got in trouble for tweets about Sandy Hook or Parkland. No,

Speaker 21 they accused that. They laid that on me.
But I had always been very vocal against how horrific school shootings are. They're horrific.

Speaker 20 They're going to take anything. When you're a young Republican woman, which you're not allowed to be, that's not okay.
Right.

Speaker 20 They're going to throw everything at you. And if they can paint you to be a nutcase, so much the better.
They always say nuts are sluts. That's what they do, especially conservative women.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 21 And they, I think they could tell I meant what I was saying. And so

Speaker 21 you're threatening.

Speaker 20 You're a good communicator.

Speaker 21 So they created this whole new character of me that didn't exist. And I was not prepared for it.
I, I had no media training. I had no, nothing.

Speaker 20 You hadn't even had a lifetime as an as an arguer.

Speaker 21 No. Oh, no, no, no, never.
My first GOP meeting was when I walked into one and said, I'm Marjorie Taylor Greene and I'm running for Congress. It's my first GOP meeting.

Speaker 21 I had no idea what I was getting into.

Speaker 20 Well, I mean, that's what we want, right?

Speaker 20 The whole idea of the founders was like the citizen politician who would come and serve for a limited time and not get bought and paid for and need the job or patting their

Speaker 20 stock account, Nancy, with

Speaker 20 access to insider information. She denies it.

Speaker 21 So that must have been very eye-opening for you to start realizing like how things work and you have to do certain things, not the way you want, but the way leadership wants I mean you tell me what were the eye-opening oh no for me I came in with my hair on fire I was I was mad at everybody everybody because you like you people suck 100% okay I was like this whole city sucks like it's it's destroying us it's killing us and and that's but you know what I still feel that way yeah I literally still feel that way um I wasn't ready for the media blitz I wasn't ready for what they were going to do to me so I so let me tell you I learned all the hard lessons and now I'm, I'm fine.

Speaker 20 Like what?

Speaker 21 Just just how they will lie. And so I've learned that when I'm at the Capitol, my staff will record the entire,

Speaker 21 whatever questioning there is, whatever interviews I get. Very smart.
They record them all and we put the whole thing out on social media. So they can't cut up my words.

Speaker 21 At least I have a way of fighting back. So I learned little tricks like that.

Speaker 20 How about intra-party?

Speaker 21 Okay, intra-party is the most interesting thing.

Speaker 21 I'm not a leadership person. I don't, they can't buy my vote.
They can't talk me into it. I'm, I'm easy, I'm so independent and it's the best place to be.

Speaker 21 I went in believing I had to join the freedom caucus because I thought, okay, these are where the good guys are, like-minded people.

Speaker 21 Actually, I'm not in the freedom caucus anymore because oftentimes they end up making a deal or selling out and I don't think it serves the best interest.

Speaker 21 However, there are other things that I will, I mean, I'll vote for because, like, for example, appropriations. My district needs road project help.
They need water help.

Speaker 21 They need help with police and fire requests. So, and I think that's what our tax dollars should go towards.

Speaker 21 I won't vote for a foreign war. I'm not voting for your foreign aid garbage.
I'm not going to vote for whatever stupid

Speaker 21 special interest thing that you're going to ask me to vote for. But I want our appropriation bills and I want the money to come back to my district.

Speaker 20 Presumably, what your constituents want from you.

Speaker 21 That's what they want. I think that's what we're supposed to do.
But I'm not going to, like, I'm mad every single day that we don't have a balanced budget.

Speaker 21 Like, as a business owner, it makes no sense.

Speaker 20 I know. You could never run a business like this.

Speaker 21 Oh, no. We'd be homeless people.
Yes.

Speaker 20 So, what happens? Like, was it Kevin McCarthy in 2020? I'm trying to remember who was.

Speaker 21 Kevin McCarthy was, he was our minority leader. It was Nancy Pelosi who was speaker in 2021 and 2022.
So you got to remember the third day on my job was January 6th. That was the third day there.

Speaker 21 I couldn't even find the bathroom.

Speaker 21 Then

Speaker 21 we had Nancy Pelosi did the second impeachment of President Trump on January 11th.

Speaker 21 That was the same day that my father was having brain surgery to have tumors removed because he had cancer. And then it was terrible.

Speaker 21 So we were not even in session and we had to fly back to vote on that impeachment vote.

Speaker 21 So I had to leave my mother's side and she was beside herself because she wasn't allowed in the hospital because COVID.

Speaker 21 And

Speaker 21 so anyways, I had to fly to Washington and vote no on impeachment. And that was like the second week.

Speaker 21 Third week there, I got kicked off of all committees.

Speaker 20 What'd you do?

Speaker 21 They said they just didn't like my remarks, didn't like things I had said on social media.

Speaker 20 So Nancy. Was it J6 related?

Speaker 21 Actually, I think it was because I had entered,

Speaker 21 no, I think it's because I introduced articles of impeachment on Joe Biden on his first day in office. Oh, okay.

Speaker 20 And they got mad. The other side would never do that.

Speaker 21 Oh, no. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 21 So it was just, it's full-on political warfare,

Speaker 21 but it doesn't serve the American people.

Speaker 20 So how do you, because I do wonder how they come to you to try to get you to like, sacrifice your beliefs and your personal commitments of how you're going going to be and what you're going to prioritize like do they tell you they're not going to fundraise for you how do they try to make you go along yeah and and okay so each member of congress is different thankfully i over 95

Speaker 21 of my campaign money that i raise is small dollar donations under thirty dollars we're talking about grandma giving me twenty bucks which is the nicest campaign donation I can ever receive.

Speaker 20 Yeah. That only.
That means more than the $2,000.

Speaker 21 Oh my gosh, that comes with a handwritten note and a prayer. And you're like,

Speaker 21 I feel guilty to even take it. It's like such a nice thing.
But those are my donors, and they're just sincere Americans, and they're the greatest. So you can't.
Here's how it works.

Speaker 21 Most, so most members of Congress don't have that. They have to raise the max donations that come from the big dollar donors.

Speaker 21 And so those are going to be the very rich party people in their district, but they'll also also be max dollar donors from around the country.

Speaker 21 Well, in Washington, D.C., you've got the entire lobbying world, and they work for all the industries that come to Washington needing anything and everything.

Speaker 20 What are the most lucrative ones? Like, if you wanted to do it a different way and you just wanted to get...

Speaker 21 donations like I'm going to line my pockets so I have an easy re-election who would you say yes to you would say yes to the military industrial base and you would say yes to big pharma and you would say yes to

Speaker 21 Big Pharm.

Speaker 21 You would say yes to agriculture. You would say yes to the major food industries.

Speaker 20 Some of this is explaining why HegSeth and RFKJ had such a difficult time getting confirmed.

Speaker 21 Yes, because they aren't bought by those people. Yeah, those are the things that

Speaker 21 let's say that I'm one of those members and say that that's where I'm going to get my fundraising from. It works out really simple.

Speaker 21 The lobbyists come and they say, hey, why don't we have a little cocktail gathering for you

Speaker 21 off the hill? Because you can't do any fundraising on the hill. Off the hill.
And we'll bring some people together. You know, we're going to need your support on the NDAA this year.

Speaker 21 We're also going to need you on that farm bill.

Speaker 21 We're going to be doing some work, you know, helping out with major grants and studies for the pharmaceutical companies. And then let's say that somebody like me is like, oh, yeah, that sounds great.

Speaker 21 Well, they can throw together an hour and a half little cocktail party with some nice little drinks and some, you know, little cocktail sausages on a stick and a few other things.

Speaker 21 And then the lobbyists can come in and then you bring in all the executives and high-level people from all those different companies that say the lobbyist represents.

Speaker 21 They all come in and write max donor checks, which it depends on what they can write for. You can write for a primary, you can write for the general, and you can write for a runoff.

Speaker 21 And so I think that's a $3,800 max contribution per person for each race in one cycle.

Speaker 20 And so you mean I could do like 38, 38, and 38? Yes. Oh, I see.
So

Speaker 20 it can get high.

Speaker 21 Oh, gosh. Imagine what that turns into.
And you multiply that by 20 people or 40 people in one room.

Speaker 20 Yep.

Speaker 21 Well, they're getting their campaign pockets loaded. Do that a couple of times throughout a a campaign cycle.

Speaker 21 And that gives that politician, however, that gives them enough money to get re-elected again. And they never had to go home and take a $20 check or even a $5

Speaker 21 watted up, handed in your hand. And you're handing it.

Speaker 20 These people own you.

Speaker 21 They own them. 1,000%.

Speaker 21 And then what happens? That translates to, well, we're coming up on appropriations right now.

Speaker 21 Okay, Megan, I'm going to make this real simple because this is a process that's really hard to understand. I had to learn it too.
September 30th, every single year is our government funding deadline.

Speaker 21 And Congress is constitutionally required to fund the government. That's what we're supposed to do.
It's our job. So that makes sense.

Speaker 21 Well, there's 12 separate appropriation bills, and that funds like every different department and section of the government, ranging from the Department of Defense to the Department of Agriculture to TSA, Border Patrol, ICE, all of this.

Speaker 21 Really important stuff.

Speaker 20 Okay.

Speaker 21 We in the House have only passed two of our 12 appropriation bills. Only two of them.

Speaker 21 Took us seven months to pass two.

Speaker 21 We've been out on recess for five. It'll be five weeks by the time we go back on September 2nd.
Okay, get ready for this.

Speaker 21 Going back in September, we're only going to be in session for 15 days, 15 workdays. Why?

Speaker 20 I can't even tell you.

Speaker 21 It makes no logical sense to me. To me, that's the calendar set up for failure.
So that means the House has 10 has, sorry, 15 days to pass 10 more appropriation bills in order to fund the government.

Speaker 21 And the Senate has only passed three out of their 12 appropriation bills, and they have roughly the same amount of time.

Speaker 20 Why can't we pass any of these bills?

Speaker 21 Here's why.

Speaker 21 Well, number one, I don't know why. They don't have them finished.

Speaker 21 And I I don't know I can't comprehend why they don't have them finished but you have the the pulling and tugging behind the scenes yes of those lobbyists saying make sure this gets covered yes and so they're packing in all the appropriation bills with all the crap and then they have members like me that is saying I will never vote for that right and so that means that if you're leadership you likely don't have the votes to pass these appropriation bills because the appropriation bills are so disgusting well it's like what we saw with the big beautiful bill and we got a closer look at how that process played out, but on a smaller scale.

Speaker 21 Yes. Okay.
Yes. No, and then it's government funding.
And so

Speaker 21 what all your poor viewers are probably going to have to watch during September is we won't get appropriations done. Oh, we're going to have to pass the CR.
Yep.

Speaker 20 Another. I never follow those battles.
I've made it a point in my 20-plus year career as a journalist to not pay any attention to that. Good for you.
Because eventually it gets, the CR gets passed.

Speaker 20 Eventually some agreement is reached.

Speaker 20 And and i spared no agita during the process i was like i have no tolerance i like a congress i just i feel like we have to move on without them you know like absolutely they're no good to us anymore but it's also the reason why we're 37 trillion dollars in debt

Speaker 20 it's it's a broken system it's just a broken system so one you didn't mention but i think is also in there is a pack yes we should talk about that because that's it's the it's the israeli you know pro-israeli american group yes and they are also also very good about recruiting politicians early on in their careers.

Speaker 20 And they, like those other groups you mentioned, are deep pocketed and would love to buy your vote.

Speaker 20 And now they're becoming more controversial because people like you are sort of saying, you don't own me.

Speaker 20 And there are a lot of politicians to my left and my right, and literally to your left and right, because it's Democrats and Republicans

Speaker 20 who have been purchased. who now may not have the freedom to speak as openly about their thoughts on this.

Speaker 20 And I think this audience knows, and I know where you stand too on Israel and all that, but I've been very pro-Israel and I've been very defensive of their right to defend themselves in this nightmare.

Speaker 20 Of course. And I've been very defensive of American Jews on campuses who are just being harassed.
It's ridiculous. Of course.

Speaker 20 But I have absolutely no skin whatsoever in defending any lobbyist group, including AIPAC.

Speaker 20 So I would love to know what they do

Speaker 20 to get the loyalty of politicians because I will say I have had multiple, multiple reach outs to me, both from friends and from connected people on DC,

Speaker 20 begging me to go to Israel with them.

Speaker 20 And I have said no every time. Usually I'm just too busy.
I have three kids. I have a full-time job.
Sure.

Speaker 20 I'm not doing it.

Speaker 20 But lately, it seems like it's coming to be even more because I feel like there's a contingent of people who are worried that they're losing me.

Speaker 20 And I've said that you're not losing. I'm not on Hamas's side.

Speaker 21 No, God, no. Nobody's on Hamas's.

Speaker 20 But it's been a while now that this has been going on. Right.
And we're getting more involved with the Iranian bombing and so on. Sure.
And my own feelings are, you know,

Speaker 20 I'm looking at Israel in a different way right now than I was on 10.8, that's for sure, of 23. Right.
And I can feel the pressure being slightly ratcheted up, like you're not allowed to.

Speaker 20 You're not allowed to.

Speaker 20 And I can see people like you, like Tucker, who I know. I know Tucker.
I've known him for years. And I've seen you in your early career.
I know you have nothing against Israel.

Speaker 21 Oh, gosh, no.

Speaker 20 Never mind Jews. That's all a lie.
Right. And I see the beatdowns coming.

Speaker 20 You're not allowed. Like,

Speaker 20 you have to stay right on this lily pad. Yes.
And you cannot jump to another neighboring lily pad because it could take you all the way down the river away. So I'm very interested in this dynamic.

Speaker 21 Yeah. Well, I find it fascinating that you're getting asked more and more and more.
I've been asked more and more and more. Well, you're a person of very big influence.
You've got a big voice.

Speaker 21 You've got a large audience.

Speaker 21 They also take a lot of influencers. They invite tons of influencers.

Speaker 20 Many of whom have invited me. Like, we're all going together.
And will you come? Like, they seem to be coming at me from a number of ways, which only really kind of raises my hackles.

Speaker 20 Like, I'm not going. I'm going to stay right here.

Speaker 20 I can cover this conflict from here. And I don't wish to be wooed by any side.
I actually don't wish to be

Speaker 21 persuaded. Have you been invited by any other foreign country?

Speaker 20 No, no.

Speaker 21 Okay, that's that's the part, right? So, we have tons of lobbyists and that foreign countries lobbyists that come to Washington, D.C. Pretty much every country has some sort of representative.

Speaker 21 They have an ambassador they send to Washington. It's naturally in their interest.
We can understand that.

Speaker 21 They also are required to register under FARA. It's a law.
They have to register as a foreign agent, a foreign lobbyist. That is required.
It's extremely important.

Speaker 21 Here's the difference with APAC.

Speaker 21 APAC is not registered under FARA, under this law that requires anyone coming to lobby a member of Congress or a senator or department of the government and the federal government on behalf of another country.

Speaker 21 So AIPAC argues, oh, but we're Americans. Yes, they are Americans, but they are coming to Congress and to the federal government asking on behalf of the country of Israel.

Speaker 21 And I fully agree with you, Megan. We are not against Israel.
We are all for their right to defend themselves, just as we are for any Jewish person on campus.

Speaker 21 Just as I think any, like, gosh, we could talk about

Speaker 21 young white males in high school that are constantly getting beat up. Yeah.
Guess what? They should have a right to defend themselves too, and people should stand up for them as well.

Speaker 21 We think anybody that is a victim should be able to defend themselves.

Speaker 21 However, Israel is is the only country I know of that has some sort of incredible influence and control over nearly every single one of my colleagues. And it is,

Speaker 21 it is, I don't know how to explain it.

Speaker 20 I mean, I believe it just given the amount of reach out I've had in this position. And I don't vote on anything.
You know, I, yeah. And if...
If I had taken money,

Speaker 20 I could see them really thinking that they had a right to control my speech or my positions, which is why I never have, of course. I mean, in what context would I? I don't take advertising from

Speaker 20 random people. Like I always say, I was like, I have genuiselle, whose cosmetics are really nice.

Speaker 20 We love good cosmetics. Yeah, but it can't be bought by a special interest group.
But I can see it because, look,

Speaker 20 no one wants to feel like their position has been bought and paid for, but these politicians,

Speaker 20 they have.

Speaker 20 And so I can see why APAC would get mad if these politicians then turned on them and didn't support you know it's like what what did my 3800 times three get me if you're not gonna vote for my issues exactly because APAC are Americans therefore they can legally donate to members of Congress and senators so let's talk about how that works

Speaker 21 APAC takes every single that they can freshman member of Congress their first year in Congress they take them on a very special trip to Israel in August that's our August is our recess.

Speaker 21 It's our, it's our month-long district work period.

Speaker 20 That's Dems and Republicans or just Republicans?

Speaker 21 They take both of them. Yes.
And they invite pretty much everyone, to my knowledge.

Speaker 21 So they take them on this trip to Israel.

Speaker 21 I guess they go on tours all around. I didn't go, so I don't know what they do there.
But they take them on tours.

Speaker 21 Like the pictures we've seen recently of the Speaker and other members of Congress at the Wailing Wall.

Speaker 20 And they've all gone. They've all gone.
I've seen them all.

Speaker 21 And they wear the kippah. And even though they're Christians,

Speaker 21 they're not Jewish, but yet they're adorning Jewish attire, and they're at these Jewish religious sites. Then they also meet with different members of the Israeli government.

Speaker 21 Now, we got to recognize the Israeli government is secular. This is not the biblical Israel.
It is the secular government of Israel.

Speaker 21 And so they meet with their members of,

Speaker 21 you know, all throughout their government and the prime minister, Benjamin Nutton Yahoo, meets with them. And so they've done that trip already this month.

Speaker 21 The new freshmen and members of our leadership all went and they did that trip. Here's what else they do.
APAC takes influencers. They take really big people like you.

Speaker 21 They want you to come over there.

Speaker 21 They want to pull you in because they want to pull you on their side. And why is that?

Speaker 20 Okay.

Speaker 21 For members of Congress, every single year annually, Israel receives, and we have to vote on it. It's a yes or no vote, $3.8 billion in funding for Israel.
Now,

Speaker 21 what does that money mean? Well, they'll say, oh, well, this is for Israel.

Speaker 21 It's them to be able to defend themselves. They're the only democracy in the Middle East.
They're constantly under attack. They're surrounded by their enemies.
Who wants to annihilate them?

Speaker 20 That's all true.

Speaker 21 Sure. We're not arguing those points.

Speaker 21 However, let's flip over and look at well okay well what does this mean um number one israel is doing so well with their economy and i'm excited for them this is a big deal i wish we were doing this good we're 37 trillion dollars in debt israel is less than 400 billion in debt less than

Speaker 21 if you're if you're an israeli citizen you have government-funded health care and you have government-funded college. So why is America having to give Israel $3.8 billion?

Speaker 21 If they're doing so great and they're funding health care and college and their government is,

Speaker 21 their economy is doing so well and their tax revenue is so good that they're less than $400 billion in debt. Why is dead broke America

Speaker 21 having to send $3.8 billion?

Speaker 21 Well, then they argue back and they go, oh, but this helps America's economy. Well, how is that? Tell me how it helps.
Okay, well, because we buy money from your defense contractors.

Speaker 21 Although, guess what? This is really interesting. We give a ton of money to all these foreign countries.
And

Speaker 21 if it's military aid, they're required to buy, purchase weapons from our defense contractors. Except Israel is the only one with an exception.

Speaker 21 They don't have to buy from our American defense contractors. They can use that money to buy from Israeli defense contractors.
Oh, wow. So there's a funny little...

Speaker 21 a little exception just like the same exception that israel has that this just came from judge mcfadden he just had a ruling that you can burn any flag in the United States of America,

Speaker 21 including our own American flag, except you can't burn the Israeli flag in America.

Speaker 20 Who said that?

Speaker 21 Judge McFadden.

Speaker 20 In what context?

Speaker 21 In his court. It just happened.

Speaker 20 Well, that's not going to be upheld. It shouldn't be.
That's a violation of the First Amendment, blatant, and it will be struck down as soon as it goes up on appeal. What a ridiculous notion.

Speaker 20 Should be.

Speaker 21 He said in what he wrote is that the Israeli flag, it's an identity erase, and it would be be a heavy crown crime.

Speaker 20 Yeah. Wrong.
Yes. Wrong.
That's getting struck down.

Speaker 20 But I see why you're raising it because I'm picturing, you know, look, I have a lot of very close friends who are Jewish who are very big supporters of Israel.

Speaker 20 And some faction of them will say, like, well, why would you platform an MTG? She's definitely gone anti-Israel. And I don't care whether you're anti-Israel or not.

Speaker 20 Anti-Israel people are welcome here.

Speaker 20 Of course. You're allowed to have that view.
It's a country that's involved in a war and it's, you don't have to be pro-any country in order to come here.

Speaker 21 I mean, I know you're not. I'm not anti.
I know you're not. Yeah.

Speaker 20 But I am also sensing, I discussed this with Charlie Kirk recently, how we're just getting to a place now, the more you tell me I can't talk to somebody about something, the more I'm guaranteed going to do it.

Speaker 20 No one owns me. And I will talk about it.
And I will hear you out.

Speaker 20 And I want to hear why you're having this kind of experience times 10,000, you know, like my little lily pad and you're way down there and there, I can see you getting rained down on.

Speaker 20 And I don't like it, Marjorie. I have to tell you, I don't like it because

Speaker 20 this is America. You're allowed to have your view.
Israel's not America. They're a friend to America, but they're not America.
No. And we do have areas in which we have divergent interests.

Speaker 20 And it is our obligation, and yours especially as a representative to say when you see a divergence, you cannot reconcile. Right.

Speaker 20 Where you got to choose one. Yes.
Right? Like that's what I see happening to you. So what happened? Did you,

Speaker 20 like, how did you find yourself in this place? Because you stopped voting for funding for the Israel war?

Speaker 21 Yeah, it was easy for me. I'm a business owner.
So right now, I feel like I'm part of a board of 435 members, 435 members of Congress. We should act like an executive board of a company.

Speaker 21 And I feel like our company, the United States of America's federal government, is a company that has sirens blaring and we are on the verge of literally imploding and going out of business.

Speaker 21 Bankruptcy, yeah. Massively.

Speaker 21 I also pay a lot of attention to our economy. Being a business owner in the construction industry, my success of my business for as long as I've run it rises and falls with the economy.

Speaker 21 And I'm very concerned. The cost of doing business is extremely high.
The cost of living is extremely high. Insurance is completely out of control.

Speaker 21 Car, health, life insurance, business insurance, you name it.

Speaker 20 Forget homeowners insurance. That's almost impossible to even find as an offering anywhere.

Speaker 21 And if you're under 40, forget being able to buy a home. Right.
They don't even have the home.

Speaker 20 To get a job. I heard you and Tucker talking about how he was saying some 14 friends of his daughter, they all graduated.
Three out of 14 had jobs.

Speaker 20 I can see this in my, our kids are a little younger than college age now, but our friends. Some of them got started earlier and a lot of their kids are now graduating from college.
Great colleges.

Speaker 20 Smart kids. Cannot find jobs.

Speaker 21 this is so heartbreaking so for me it's not i'm not anti-israel i'm not anti-any country i've turned radically and unapologetically

Speaker 21 for america just flat out for america i'm like i'm sorry we don't have time to fund what you're doing no we don't you guys are we have we have the extra totally yeah but we don't We don't have the money.

Speaker 21 We don't have the money. And not only do we not have the money, the middle class is turning into the working poor.

Speaker 21 If you're, if you're, yes, if you're a young married couple today and you make together over $100,000, you are dead ass broke. You are barely making it month to month.

Speaker 20 You retweeted this on Sunday. It's a woman who is out there

Speaker 20 on Twitter complaining about what her life is like given the financial situation she's in. Here it is, Soph 55.

Speaker 20 Hey, TikTok. I'm just on here wondering if anybody's feeling the same way I'm feeling.

Speaker 20 I'm from Illinois and I feel like the gas prices and the electric bills and the prices of food is just so overwhelming anymore.

Speaker 20 Like, I'm wondering if anybody else is feeling like they're drowning and they can't get out. I work overtime.

Speaker 20 And I cannot get above water.

Speaker 20 I mean, I literally have no gas for next week. It was either that or get a few groceries to get by.

Speaker 20 I hit my local food pantries.

Speaker 20 I'm just wondering if anybody else feels like they're drowning.

Speaker 20 But anyway, I hope everybody has a great day. Oh, this poor woman.
You can see it. You can see her trying to just keep it together.

Speaker 21 Yeah.

Speaker 21 But

Speaker 21 that woman isn't, she didn't just lose her job. She's not, she's not like, she, she's not somebody that refuses to work and is

Speaker 21 working overtime. Yep.
And she's going to the food pantry and she's sitting there in her car so overwhelmed by the cost of living and the ability, the fact that she can't ever get ahead.

Speaker 21 She can't even keep up. And she's sitting there in her car alone crying.
pleading, trying to find some connection with somebody on social media.

Speaker 21 Megan, Megan, there's those, those videos are, oh my gosh, a dime a dozen. They're all over social media.

Speaker 20 What's the cause of it? I look at that. My first instinct is you should get out of Illinois and a blue-run state and probably a blue-run city.
But I don't know that that's the magical elixir.

Speaker 21 I can't, I mean, and then how hard is that for her?

Speaker 20 No, I know. Yeah.
But what causes it?

Speaker 20 I lived in Illinois for five years, and it's like California. It's completely captured by the left.
There are some Republican voters, but they're not represented at all, thanks to gerrymandering. Yep.

Speaker 20 But that's, I'm not sure what they're doing with their money. They collect it in large measure from their taxpayers, and then like the teachers' union may get it.

Speaker 20 I don't see it trickling down to children or the working class or the poor. It's not a bunch of social safety net programs that are helping people like that get better.

Speaker 20 And so I've been wrestling with this for the past few years as inflation has gone up and people are really suffering.

Speaker 20 Okay, we can get rid of President Biden who spends like a drunken sailor and doesn't care. Yeah.

Speaker 20 Okay, we did that. It can't be fixed overnight.

Speaker 21 No.

Speaker 20 President Trump is also a spender. Yes.

Speaker 20 Is that the solution or is it local governance? Like if you had your magic wand, where would you even begin to help somebody?

Speaker 21 I think it's unfortunately we've we've gotten so far now we're in the all of the above. So here's our reality.

Speaker 21 And this really, I mean, we were headed this way even in the Trump, under the Trump administration.

Speaker 21 Like I said, republicans were big spenders president trump spent a lot of money that cares act was 5.2 or 5.7 trillion the one that was passed at the very beginning of covid that started but then what the biden administration did is they spent an insane amount of money and they knew they knew we couldn't afford it like it had been too much already yeah they were told we don't have that 2.7 trillion or whatever that one was at the beginning of well in early 2020.

Speaker 20 And he did it anyway. Right.

Speaker 21 That was like we had a wildfire going. Late 2020.
Late 20. Yeah.
We had a, we had a wildfire going and then it was like the Biden administration came and just poured gasoline all over it.

Speaker 21 And then now it's become a forest fire that's completely out of control. And it's like, where do you start putting it out?

Speaker 21 Like I said,

Speaker 21 so rescissions. We're doing rescissions.
That's where we cut USAID, NPR, CBP. That came from my work on, I chair the Doge subcommittee on oversight.

Speaker 21 That came from our hearings and that work and we put them into recision cuts but megan you wouldn't believe it we had four republicans that voted against it didn't even want to cut in pr probably what yeah that's crazy it's insane i mean i love it and i love doge but it's teaspoons in the ocean right it's entitlements if we're going to do government spending there's that's the only place to really make up money yep but then we have like americans are taxed to death you you pay a tag tax you pay a gas tax you pay um you know you're taxed on your your sales tax your your property tax.

Speaker 20 There's a death tax.

Speaker 21 Death tax. Yes.

Speaker 20 They tax you when you die. Yes.
On money you already paid taxes on. Yeah.

Speaker 21 So there's, I mean, there's taxes on everything. But then what has happened with this insane spending in the national debt?

Speaker 21 So we, not only do we have $37 trillion in debt, we pay $1 trillion a year in interest. on our $37 trillion in debt.

Speaker 21 Here's what I'm saying is

Speaker 21 it is it's out of control.

Speaker 21 It's like so out of control, but yet Washington is totally tone deaf to this poor woman and the millions and millions of Americans that are just like her that are crying in their cars.

Speaker 21 They're making these videos.

Speaker 21 God knows if they're crying on social media in their cars, I don't know what they're doing, how they look and feel and emotionally and physically, how they're doing in their free time.

Speaker 21 But this is how it's totally failing America. And your kids are not even out of the house yet.
My kids are trying to get started in their 20s. And it's this whole young generations of Americans.

Speaker 21 And Megan, here's what I think it's going to produce. If Republicans aren't solving the problem,

Speaker 21 mainstream Democrats didn't solve the problem. They created the problem.

Speaker 21 Then many of these young people that are voters and should be really starting to engage into the political process and voting for our country leaders to fix their problems, they're only going to turn to radicals.

Speaker 21 because it's like

Speaker 21 they're going to be like, screw the Republicans, screw the Democrats. They're going to turn to radicals that are going to make like Mom Donnie.

Speaker 21 He's pushing for full-blown socialism, if not communism. That's terrifying.

Speaker 20 And he has huge support among young people.

Speaker 21 And he can't pay for all that stuff he's promising.

Speaker 20 No, hell no.

Speaker 21 It's all a lie.

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Speaker 20 I don't even know what to recommend to the young people. I mean, certainly they should vote Republican over Democrat, but I don't know that Republicans are their solution either.

Speaker 20 You know, for a long time now, I've been feeling like the only answer is outside of government.

Speaker 20 You know, the future has to be outside of government, has to be with people like Elon or David Sachs or some big-brained person who's doing something other than legislating.

Speaker 20 But the problem is the government continues to bankrupt us.

Speaker 20 So no matter how well those other guys do or other solutions they come up with, we're still stuck with all this spending and it is our money. Yes.

Speaker 20 Well, so, but this is all, we won't solve it here, sadly, but this is all sort of background to why you do not want to give Israel or any other country. Right.

Speaker 20 Because you're saying like AIPAC should register under FARA. I assume you would say so should CARE, the Council on American Islamic Relations.

Speaker 21 Absolutely. Anybody, anyone.

Speaker 20 I don't care who you are.

Speaker 21 If you are coming and talking to members of Congress, anybody anybody in the government on behalf of another country even let's go let's talk about um what's that other one uh

Speaker 21 christians united for israel like they'll they'll send a you know pastor from my district into my office well they're from my district they should register under

Speaker 20 you're saying you don't you shouldn't have to just be foreigners if your primary purpose is to advance the interests of a foreign government or a foreign country then you should have to register absolutely would that change their ability to raise money?

Speaker 20 What would it do to APAC if that were to happen?

Speaker 21 Well, I think that holds them accountable under the law. Why do they get a pass? Why does APAC get to take members of Congress,

Speaker 21 social media influencers, people like you with giant shows, Newsmax? They took Newsmax. They take Fox News people.
They take all these people.

Speaker 21 They take them on the Turning Point USA influencers. They take them to Israel, all expenses paid.

Speaker 20 I would never accept that. Never.
Right.

Speaker 21 Exactly. So, why do they get to do that? Why did

Speaker 20 I even go to Mar-a-Lago? Like, I don't. President Trump tried to get me to go to Mar-a-Lago back in 2015.
I was like, hell no, I can't. I can't.
I mean, like, I'm in a different business.

Speaker 20 And the politicians, frankly, should see themselves in a different business. I agree.
They have different people to whom they answer. You know, I answer to my audience.

Speaker 20 They have to be able to trust that I'm not bought and paid for by anyone.

Speaker 21 I so respect that.

Speaker 20 And politicians should be in the same business I'm in in a different way.

Speaker 21 Yes, I completely agree.

Speaker 20 It's very disheartening. I like, I have nothing against AIPAC.
I don't actually fully understand what they do. I do have something against care.

Speaker 20 But I agree that

Speaker 20 all biases should be out and accounted for and obvious

Speaker 20 to anyone who's being offered anything by these groups

Speaker 20 or

Speaker 20 asked to attend anything by them or in any way going into business with them. Yep.
That just makes perfect sense to me.

Speaker 21 It makes perfect sense to pretty much everybody outside of this weird bubble of Washington, D.C.

Speaker 20 So I don't get it then, but like, why, why are you ostracized? People are saying she's not going to win her next race. You know, like Trump's turned on her, they say.
Oh, he hasn't.

Speaker 20 Okay, so what's that about? Like, is that, is that not real? Or

Speaker 20 is the GOP turning on you because of this? Or is it just loud people who, you know, whose interests are more closely aligned with Israel?

Speaker 21 Well, number one, President, so Donald Trump is the most attacked, I'd say, human being ever by the establishment media.

Speaker 21 I would say I'm the most attacked member of Congress ever by the establishment, establishment media. I have supported him unapologetically.
They would love to be able to say TG and Trump have split.

Speaker 21 And they're trying to say that, yet I talk to the president routinely. I text with him.
He and I have a great relationship.

Speaker 20 You would know if things were not good. Yes.
I can speak to that.

Speaker 21 Yes. Now, here's the other side of it.

Speaker 21 I got elected on my own. I didn't get elected with a Trump endorsement.
I beat eight men in a primary who I respected every single one of them. I thought, wow, these guys are great.

Speaker 21 How am I going to win? But somehow I beat the heck out of all of them. So I also have the, I would say, luxury of being very, in a very independent member of Congress.
And I can disagree.

Speaker 21 with the president. I can.
And I have. I already have on multiple fronts.

Speaker 21 The Genius Act that just recently passed that set up the whole system for stable coin. And

Speaker 21 I didn't vote for that bill because it has a back door for a central bank digital currency, which I am largely against.

Speaker 21 And Speaker Johnson didn't allow us to do amendments on that bill to amend that part of the bill. So I said, I'm a no vote.

Speaker 20 That was President Johnson. You were against the bombing of Iran.
You said so.

Speaker 21 Yep, I was against

Speaker 21 bombing Iran. I'm against paying for Israel to continue to keep bombing Gaza.
I think it's a humanitarian crisis. I've called it a genocide.

Speaker 21 And children are starving to death. I've talked to Christian pastors there that have told me that Christians have been killed and children are being starving against.
I'm a Christian myself.

Speaker 21 I'm against children

Speaker 20 starving. There, there's daylight between us because I believe that...
children are starving and hurting in Gaza, no question. But I blame Hamas.

Speaker 20 I do see what's happening with the Israeli aid and the food trucks. And they get co-opted by Hamas, by certain Palestinians.

Speaker 20 And that's why, and the more suffering children they can get on a camera over there, the better in their minds. These are not honest brokers.
They steal from their own people.

Speaker 20 They're happy to watch their children starve to death as long as they can put the emaciated baby on camera. It's disgusting.
They don't have the same value. toward human life that we do.

Speaker 20 And yes, that Israel has. I'm not saying Israel's perfect.

Speaker 20 They haven't executed this whole thing perfectly, not by a long shot, but when I see what's happening with the starving children, I blame Hamas. Well, they started it.
Am I wrong?

Speaker 21 They started it. So October 7th was unbelievably horrific.
It's unspeakable what Hamas did.

Speaker 21 I totally blame Hamas. The war wouldn't even be happening if Hamas

Speaker 21 hasn't done all the things that they've done, right? Firing rockets into Israel,

Speaker 21 kidnapping and murdering all these people, suicide bombers over the years. Absolutely.
They started this and it's horrible. I think it's Israel's,

Speaker 21 they can pinpoint areas, but they're just mass bombing everywhere. And the videos coming out of there are terrible.
I'll also say this, Megan. That conflict has been going on way, I'm 51 years old.

Speaker 21 It's been going on way beyond before I was born or any of us were born. I can't even tell you I qualify to solve it.

Speaker 20 I think God is the only person that you don't think Maragaza is the solution? No.

Speaker 17 No, not at all.

Speaker 20 My problem is, when you use the word genocide, like, I don't believe that, but I also don't have any meaningful video or picture source that I trust.

Speaker 21 Yeah,

Speaker 21 I think it's fair to say that no one does, right?

Speaker 21 Although I haven't seen the number of

Speaker 21 dead children, injured children, starving children coming out of the Ukraine-Russian conflict like we've seen come out of the Israel god.

Speaker 20 Isn't that because of the Palestinians and their amazing propaganda abilities? Like, I think that's the reason because the Palestinians put all this on camera and release it.

Speaker 20 And they make sure that we see this, which is another reason to be suspicious of it. You know, I don't know what I'm being fed or for what purpose.
Yeah.

Speaker 20 The Ukrainians aren't doing that, and the Russians aren't doing that.

Speaker 21 But why not, though? Why isn't you?

Speaker 20 They're not good at propaganda. They're not doing that to each other.

Speaker 21 See, this is why. I don't know.
I think Zelensky's pretty good at propaganda.

Speaker 20 Maybe, but I guess he doesn't have the lifelong commitment to it that the Palestinians. I I mean, since I've been in news, the Palestinians have been doing this.
Yeah.

Speaker 20 And they're very good manipulators of media, of cameras.

Speaker 21 You've been in the news business much longer than me.

Speaker 20 I've been burned enough times by them. Like, I've gone with their numbers over the years.
Enough times have been like, oh my God, this is another fucking lie. All they do is make up lies and numbers.

Speaker 20 And you run with it. And, you know, if you're smart, you pay attention, you get burned.
Then you realize, oh, I do not trust the Hamas Ministry of Health.

Speaker 20 So that's kind of how I've come to it.

Speaker 20 But

Speaker 20 I also feel like it's also undeniable that at this point, Israel has lost or most charitably is losing the propaganda war.

Speaker 20 And I know why.

Speaker 20 They're not fighting it as well as Hamas. They never have.

Speaker 20 And I think people gave them a huge benefit of the doubt in the beginning of this war. It was like we were still getting bombarded by images and false facts by the Palestinians.

Speaker 20 But it was like, you know what? You can't, we're impenetrably on Israel's side. We saw what you did on 10-7.
But it's been two years now. Yeah.

Speaker 20 And I know Israel says, well, we still have 20 hostages left or whatever the exact number is. They're alive.

Speaker 21 50, but I think they say they think 20 or so. That are alive.

Speaker 20 Yeah.

Speaker 20 But how

Speaker 20 my question is, how long, with all due respect to the hostages, how long can we, can we justify non-stop war based on the hostages? And I don't, it's not that I have no empathy for the hostages.

Speaker 20 It's just at some point,

Speaker 20 war must stop, or at least we have to stop funding it.

Speaker 21 At some point, see, that's where I'm at. We don't need to fund it.
That's where I'm at. I can't fix it.
I can't even step in there and come up with a solution to repair it. You want to know why?

Speaker 21 I can't even relate to it. I don't live there.
I don't live on either side.

Speaker 21 I certainly do not support Hamas ever, never could, couldn't even defend them in any position. However, I do know all the videos and pictures I've seen of these children.
I do know that.

Speaker 21 But I can also say Americans don't want to fund this anymore. We just don't.
And I also can say Israel, and even Lindsey Graham said it recently.

Speaker 21 He said, if Israel wanted to commit genocide, they could.

Speaker 21 And you want to know what that is? That's an admission by Lindsey Graham saying that Israel is completely competent. Therefore, why are we funding it?

Speaker 20 Can I ask you that?

Speaker 20 Because my understanding is the reason, you know, generally that we fund Israel so much more than a lot of other countries is where we started, you know, that they really are the only democracy in the Middle East.

Speaker 20 There's only one Jewish state. There's some 30 Muslim nations, but only

Speaker 20 one Jewish state. So

Speaker 20 they need to exist. They have no place else to go.
It's not an area of the world that's very hospitable to Jewish people. Right.

Speaker 20 And they are allied with the United States. They seem to share a lot of our values.

Speaker 20 So like you watch, I mean, this is a weird way of looking at it, but I look at what's happening in Dearborn, Michigan, with like the call to prayer five times a day on the streets of an American city and Muslim immigrants coming over here and having seven children, each family.

Speaker 20 And look at the birth rates in Europe right now, which are largely like non-existent for white native Europeans, but sky high for Islamic immigrants, many of whom are Islamists.

Speaker 20 And I think this is like an existential situation here is it's so bad to have this one country in the middle of the Middle East, which is a very rough neighborhood, you know, Syria, Lebanon, that likes us, that will help us, that would, if we ever had a conflict there, help with our military staging, that has amazing intelligence that it shares with us, that has amazing abilities to affect, you know, terrorist takedown plans, which is also helpful.

Speaker 20 So like these strategic reasons make sense to me too for our

Speaker 20 understanding we don't have endless funds to spend some there.

Speaker 21 Yeah, that's been the thinking and that's what Americans have largely believed, and that's how the U.S. government has largely functioned for as long as I can remember.

Speaker 21 Although if you look at Israel,

Speaker 21 you have to recognize in the context of these conversations, not only are they such a strong economic country, not only have they proven that their military can almost, they're annihilating their enemy.

Speaker 21 almost completely. They're going to finish the job and they're saying they're going to finish the job.

Speaker 21 They also have nuclear weapons. This is a nuclear-armed nation.

Speaker 20 So you're saying you agree with all that, but

Speaker 20 they got it.

Speaker 21 I'm saying America is a sinking ship. We're sinking so badly.
Our children have no hope of ever buying a home in the future.

Speaker 21 We pass a budget that is overblown and ridiculous every single year. And we are dragging, we're going to be 40, we're 37 now.

Speaker 21 It'll be 40 trillion in a matter of, who knows, months or with respect to Israel and like the sense it makes to this alliance.

Speaker 20 what I hear you saying is fine but they've got it they're actually not facing an existential threat right now they've devastated all their immediate enemies all around Israel so look at the action if this were a situation where Israel actually were on the verge of not existing I think we'd have a different conversation okay

Speaker 21 look at that we I just go by I'm a I'm an action versus words person So for me, I'm like, wow, the 12-day war with Iran, which I was totally like, we shouldn't be doing this.

Speaker 21 Israel is a nuclear-armed nation. Look at the outcome there.

Speaker 21 They did nothing to Israel.

Speaker 21 They did shoot missiles in there, but did they really do anything to Israel? No. And could they have? No.

Speaker 21 Israel is a nuclear-armed nation.

Speaker 21 Okay, they're surrounded by their enemies per se, and that's constantly said over and over again. But Israel is a nuclear-armed nation.
They can nuke these people off the planet if they want to.

Speaker 21 And they have proven with their actions what they will do to their enemies to the point of, like I said, they're starving children, starving children in Gaza.

Speaker 21 There are innocent Christians have been killed. Christian churches have been bombed.

Speaker 21 They are proving that these 50 hostages that are left and they're demanding back, they are proving that they will turn the entire Gaza Strip to rubble to get their 50 people back.

Speaker 21 I think that's a country that America can say, they got it. You got this.
But we're not doing the same thing for our people that's

Speaker 20 right we're not we're kind of losing our shiny city on the shining city on the hill feel as you look back at our our friend from Illinois and driving her car and there are millions more just like her tons of them I mean they're filled in my district if you told me tomorrow that we're pulling all the aid from Israel I would say oh good God who's going to decide where it goes I you know that's one of my other concerns here.

Speaker 21 Like write a check to Americans.

Speaker 20 Well, yeah.

Speaker 21 I mean, that poor woman in her car, you know, or it's like.

Speaker 20 Trump actually made some noise about giving a rebate to people from the tariff income.

Speaker 21 And everybody was like, thank God.

Speaker 20 Real people were like that, but, you know, sort of talking heads who work for like Muckety Muck magazines all said, tisk, tisk, use it to pay down the debt, which is another thing.

Speaker 20 But they didn't want that woman in the car getting it directly. Yeah.

Speaker 21 No, it's.

Speaker 21 No, the sad reality is, is that, so here's what I keep telling everybody in Washington.

Speaker 21 I'm like, oh, you think we're going to win the midterms by spending all this stupid money again, not solving everybody's problems? Really, everybody's going to run out and vote for Republicans again.

Speaker 21 It's not going to happen. I think people.

Speaker 20 Especially when Trump is gone.

Speaker 21 He's not on the ballot. That's right.

Speaker 20 What happens then? What happens to MAGA in the next presidential election?

Speaker 21 I think we're going to see all kinds of stuff happen. There's all kinds of levels of MAGA, right? There's your hardcore base believers.

Speaker 21 Then there's there's newer adopters that maybe they came on in the last administration later, or maybe they came on this time.

Speaker 21 Like they're more Maha or independents that were like, we're done with the Democrats. We've got to find a new way.

Speaker 21 I'm going to tell you, I think those new ones are a lot of them are going to fall off. But

Speaker 21 I don't think they're turning. Yeah, without him.
And I don't think they're necessarily turning back to Democrats. I think they're just falling off going, who?

Speaker 20 Do you think there's anyone in the movement that they could get behind after Trump?

Speaker 21 Right now, I think J.D. Vance has got the large lead.
That's what the polling shows.

Speaker 21 But

Speaker 21 will he come out unscathed over

Speaker 21 these next?

Speaker 21 No,

Speaker 20 no one does. No vice president will.

Speaker 21 And a lot of people are mad. They want accountability.
I want accountability. I'm still pissed off that schools were shut down, that what they did during COVID.
Remember all that?

Speaker 20 Oh, yeah. What about you? You're on the right side of all that.

Speaker 21 All these people that died from taking a vaccine.

Speaker 20 You wouldn't call Dr. Fauci doctor, which I have to say, hats off to you.
Thank you. He did not behave like a medical professional.
He was actually involved, we believe, in causing the pandemic.

Speaker 20 He never took responsibility for it. We believe lied under oath.
He did lie.

Speaker 20 Why should he get the honorific?

Speaker 21 The man is walking around with a government taxpayer-funded pension today. And he got a pardon from a brain-dead president.

Speaker 20 And tried to ruin the careers of good doctors who were speaking up, like Dr. Jay Bhattacharya.

Speaker 21 Absolutely.

Speaker 21 He was, what, censored or he lost his social media.

Speaker 20 Yeah. And they tried to dismiss him as fringe and tamp down his conspiracy theory of let's focus protection, meaning protect the elderly and not the young people.

Speaker 21 Right. So today, like when I'm watching the news, yeah.

Speaker 21 2017 talking points on the Russia hoax and all the bad guys, Comey, Brennan, and Clapper and Hillary Clinton and Obama and all these people that's being talked about. Here's the reality.

Speaker 21 None of those people actually physically hurt me. And for most Americans, especially younger Americans that are like, what happened?

Speaker 20 Because

Speaker 21 if you're 30 years old, that was like, what, almost 10 years ago?

Speaker 20 Right, right. You were basically still in puberty.

Speaker 21 You're going out. having a good time, enjoying your young adult life, and you are clueless about that stuff.
You're like, wait, why do I have to hate these people?

Speaker 20 How is this going to help me?

Speaker 21 How did that make my rent cost so much? So, but yet what they do know is...

Speaker 20 So some things the older people people need, Marjorie. Some of us need to see an indictment of someone like a Brennan or a Tish James.
Not everything is for the young people. I agree.

Speaker 20 But I see, I take your point.

Speaker 21 I agree with you. I want accountability for all of that, but I want accountability more for the people that really hurt American lives.

Speaker 21 There's this political warfare and it's happening in the upper elites, but yet there's nobody fighting it for the regular people.

Speaker 20 So, I mean,

Speaker 20 do you think a J.D. Vance could

Speaker 20 unite MAGA with the less MAGA-friendly Republican base? You know, like the old Republican base. That's not really the base anymore.

Speaker 21 Here's how I see it. So we have the baby boomer generation, which is my parents.
I don't know. Is that your parents too? Yeah.
Okay. So they're primarily Fox News watchers, right?

Speaker 21 They have it on all day long on their television.

Speaker 20 Yes, totally.

Speaker 21 So that's the Republican older voting class. And then I'm Gen X.
I'm 51 years old. And so you are too.
Okay.

Speaker 20 So we. I'm 54.

Speaker 21 Yeah. So we like barely survived growing up, right? So we had no parents.

Speaker 20 No, we had no parents.

Speaker 21 We were outside until the lights came on. Yeah.
And then we'd drink out of the water hose.

Speaker 20 The parents had to be reminded that we existed at 10 p.m. Service announcements on the TV.

Speaker 21 Oh, my gosh.

Speaker 20 Do you remember that?

Speaker 21 Yes, yes. It's 10 p.m.
Do you know where your children are?

Speaker 20 Hello? What? How sick is that? That's what we grew up in. No car seats, no seat belts, no babysits, none of that.
Nothing. I love this.
No restrictions of any fact.

Speaker 21 I could go for days on on this. Okay, so that's our generation.

Speaker 21 And so we're at this strange middle point where some of us are still in the establishment Republican mindset, but then there's a lot of us that are really independent and we're like going, hold on now.

Speaker 21 Like we're really kind of tracking and falling off. And then anybody under 40, holy shit, where are they at?

Speaker 20 Yeah. They're like, I don't know which way is up.

Speaker 21 They're like, yeah, they're lost. They're, they're, it's an all, it's a major dynamic of everything there.

Speaker 21 And so what I see the future for the Republican voter, well, no one's going to go into Phil Trump's shoes. He's a billionaire.
He is a celebrity.

Speaker 21 He owns beautiful resorts and hotels and golf courses all over the world. He has a,

Speaker 21 I mean, the connections this man had before he even ran with every celebrity and sports icon.

Speaker 20 Nobody will ever equal him on the give a shit meter. No.
He doesn't give a shit.

Speaker 21 Right.

Speaker 20 You'll never find somebody who is as carefree as he is

Speaker 20 saying what they really think.

Speaker 21 Well, even if we did, it'll never carry that weight because of who Donald Trump is.

Speaker 20 And he was a lifetime Democrat who then became a Republican because you have to be one or the other to win the presidency.

Speaker 20 But he's not really a partisan guy, which I think people have found very, very appealing. Yes.
He knew how to speak to the right.

Speaker 20 I mean, truly, to get elected as president as a Republican, you need to say you're going to lower people's taxes, that you're going to be pro-life, you're going to protect guns. Right.

Speaker 20 If you do those three things, even if you are secretly a Democrat, you could get elected president as a Republican.

Speaker 21 I think that's probably a true statement.

Speaker 20 So I think most people on the right did not give two shits whether he really meant it so long as he actually governed according to it, which he has.

Speaker 20 But I think in his heart, he's really just not a partisan person, which is part of his appeal. Absolutely.

Speaker 20 Everybody coming up behind him is.

Speaker 21 Oh, very much. And it gave him credibility, right? Like, oh,

Speaker 21 i was a democrat i was friends with all these people yes and now i'm burning down their system and i'm and i'm also he came in at the same time burning down the republican neocon establishment right he came in america first make america great again so he has it so no one can tear his shoes like what do you mean what what happened to free trade that was a republican pillar he was like no china

Speaker 20 raise number one that's all he said china

Speaker 21 like there's so many things you that we love about donald trump but no one will fill his shoes So what happens to MAGA there? Well, here's something really interesting. The MAGA economy.

Speaker 21 I love to talk about this. So I came up as a as a Trump rally person before I ran.
I was like, go to Trump rallies. I love them.
These are great. So there's a whole MAGA economy there.

Speaker 21 There's people that ran food trucks and sold hot dogs, t-shirts, Trump hats, any kind of Trump memorabilia you could think of.

Speaker 21 There's this whole entire economy, whether it happens at Trump rallies, happens online, happens in local races. You can see them along the, you know, street corners at gas stations.

Speaker 21 Somebody sets up a tent and they're selling Trump gear and MAGA hats and all this stuff.

Speaker 21 It's a Trump economy. Well, guess what? That is not going to exist under whoever this next

Speaker 21 banner bearer is that cannot fill these shoes. So that's an entire thing that I don't know what happens to it.
It's going to fall apart in some way because once it ends, it will fade off, right?

Speaker 20 Who is Comey going to do Shell Art in tribute to on the beach after 47's no longer with us? Exactly. It's really going to be tough.
Well, the real question is,

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Speaker 20 Can I ask you about some other things in the news around you? Yeah, I'm dying to ask you about Jasmine Crockett. Oh, boy.
She seems like a nightmare.

Speaker 21 She's, she's, she's delightful.

Speaker 20 What's that that like to work against her?

Speaker 21 So she serves on oversight committee with me and she's on my Doge subcommittee.

Speaker 20 Great. Yeah.

Speaker 21 I'll tell you one of the funny things was

Speaker 21 we were having a committee hearing on oversight and it was really late at night.

Speaker 21 And I was really irritated because I'm always like, why can't we work normal work hours like regular people eight to five? I don't know what's wrong with Congress.

Speaker 21 So we're always doing crazy things at 9, 10, 11, 2 a.m. under Nancy Pelosi.
So we're on the oversight committee and she is running off her mouth.

Speaker 21 And I shot at her about her massively huge fake eyelashes. Yeah, this made news.
Yeah.

Speaker 21 And I was like, well, you know, I said something along the lines of like, well, you can't read it because of your fake eyelashes because she had all the information in front of her.

Speaker 21 And she's like, we don't even know what's going on. And da-da-da-da.

Speaker 21 And, oh, my gosh, total explosion.

Speaker 20 But she. She insulted you too.
She said something about a butch body. Yeah.

Speaker 20 She's nasty too.

Speaker 21 Which I thought was absolutely hilarious. I mean, I'm, I've, I'm, you know, I'm like over 50.
I work out.

Speaker 20 I'm like, I thought it was below the bow. I think you could say eyelashes and you're still, yes, it's a personal comment, but it's not as low as what she said.
Right. She loves to go low.
Yeah.

Speaker 21 And somehow Democrats, you know, they're supposed to love all women and

Speaker 21 whatever body shame and stuff.

Speaker 20 How do you even like There's no reaching across the aisle to that.

Speaker 21 No, not at all. Well, she's not a real person.
So some interesting things that I've always observed about her is how she treats her staff. She treats her staff like they are just beneath her.

Speaker 20 I read that in the New York Post. You confirm?

Speaker 21 Yes.

Speaker 20 Wow.

Speaker 21 So she always has one of her young male staffers has to carry her big heavy handbag for her.

Speaker 21 She just hands it off.

Speaker 20 It's like, who does that? Right. Who are you, Beyonce?

Speaker 21 Right. And then I remember one time on Oversight, she called one of her staff over and she whispered something in their ear and they ran off.

Speaker 21 And then they came back with this big white fluffy pillow that they put behind her back.

Speaker 20 And I'm going. And some bonbons?

Speaker 21 Yeah. Like, what is this?

Speaker 20 Because they fed her grapes and fanned her.

Speaker 21 Yeah. So she claims to be, you know, from her people.

Speaker 21 She puts on this image that she understands

Speaker 21 the black American struggle. But let's face it, the girl went to private school.
She went on to, you know, I don't know what college and law school. She went to private.

Speaker 21 It's like, you, she's a complete fake.

Speaker 20 yeah she's as fake as her eyelashes she's as fake as her hair she's as fake as her fingernails and she is such a massive fraud dare i ask about laura lumer sure you and she don't seem to get along at all no we don't get along so she's i don't know laura loomer at all but i see she's very aligned with she's pro-Israel

Speaker 20 And she's pro-Trump. And she's very effective at like digging and finding dirt on people, especially those who cross Trump.
So I'm sure he likes her, you know, for among other reasons, that reason.

Speaker 20 How did you and she get sideways? Was it the Israel thing?

Speaker 21 No, no. I've actually known Laura for years.
We actually used to be friends back in like 2017 and 2018. We were friends, not close friends, but we knew each other.

Speaker 21 When she ran for Congress the first time, I endorsed her, donated to her, supported her.

Speaker 21 When she ran the second time, she decided to run, she jumped a district, wanted to run against Daniel Webster, who's actually a conservative Republican.

Speaker 21 And I said, hey, Laura, I don't think you should run against Daniel Webster. I don't think you can beat him.

Speaker 21 Why don't you jump to another district where there's an open seat and you'll have a much better shot? Well, she refused. She said no.
She would not listen to anybody and ran there.

Speaker 21 And I was like, what state is this?

Speaker 20 Florida.

Speaker 21 So I said, you know, I can't get involved. I'm not going to endorse

Speaker 21 against him. I'm going to stay out.
Well, she was furious at me. And then everything kind of plummeted from there.
So it actually started back then.

Speaker 21 But she's, not only does she attack me all the time, she attacked Matt Gates all the time. She attacked Brian Jack, who used to work for President Trump.
She attacks some of the most loyal.

Speaker 21 people to the president, people that are unapologetically America first, that fight, those of us that fight the hardest, for some reason, she attacks us the most.

Speaker 20 Who's the best ally to you in the GOP?

Speaker 21 That's tough. It depends on the issue.

Speaker 21 So a lot of people.

Speaker 20 Is there another one that comes to mind is not bought and paid for? Like not?

Speaker 21 Depends on the issue. I would say the president's really mad at Thomas Massey right now, but Thomas Massey is not

Speaker 21 bought and paid for. And a lot of our voting records are very similar.

Speaker 21 So I can.

Speaker 20 A lot of people tell me that they love him.

Speaker 21 Thomas Massey's great. And I'll say this.
I love President Trump and I support him and I'll fight for him. But at the same time, I absolutely love Thomas Massey.
Yeah.

Speaker 20 And I President Trump is not a Massey fan anymore.

Speaker 21 No, he can't stand him. And everybody.

Speaker 20 He didn't get behind the big beautiful bill.

Speaker 21 Yeah, but think about this. Do you want a United States Congress without Thomas Massey?

Speaker 21 Everyone needs to think about that.

Speaker 21 Number one, he was the only member of Congress that voted against the CARES Act, which was the COVID, the 15 days when 15 days to slow the spread started, which I was overwhelmingly against.

Speaker 21 I wanted the country to stay open. Thomas Massey was the only one that voted no on that bill and called for a recorded vote and made everybody come in and vote and go on record for it.

Speaker 21 He did that. And then there's many other things that he's vote against.

Speaker 21 So in America, do we really want a United States? House of Representatives without Thomas Massey.

Speaker 20 I don't. We might get one, right? Because Trump is pushing a primary challenge to him now.

Speaker 21 Well, yeah, and it's his consultants that are dumping millions of dollars on Thomas Massey. But guess what? There's been nobody come out to say they'll actually run against him from his district.

Speaker 21 And it's not working. Oh, that's interesting.

Speaker 21 And the same consultants and donors that are trying to totally murder Thomas Massey are the same consultants and donors that are propping up and trying to get Lindsey Graham re-elected.

Speaker 21 And nobody understands that at all. Lindsey Graham probably one of the most

Speaker 20 are united on Lindsey Graham. That's another area in which you guys could settle the dispute.

Speaker 21 What I'm more concerned about, Megan's and I'm concerned about the future for our children. And that's my main message: whether you like me or hate me, agree with me or disagree with me,

Speaker 21 no matter what AIPAC says about me, no matter what Mark Levin says about me, no matter what somebody on MSNBC, or now, MS Now, oh, God,

Speaker 21 says about me and no matter what some lunatic like Laura Loomer says about me, I'm serving in Congress with a singular focus and that is the future of our kids' generations because right now I don't see a future.

Speaker 20 I appreciate what you're doing.

Speaker 21 Thank you.

Speaker 20 I do. Honestly,

Speaker 20 you're always welcome here.

Speaker 20 like to have people with whom I have disagreements or who I don't know.

Speaker 20 I just think it's crazy to make the stakes, especially within the Republican Party, uniformity on every issue. And Israel is a very dicey issue.

Speaker 20 I mean, like, it's been two years of war with a lot of controversial things that have happened, even if you give Israel the benefit of the doubt on most of it. So there's, I mean, like,

Speaker 20 they and their supporters need to understand they're going to take criticisms. And there are going to be people who see what they're doing as wrong.

Speaker 20 And until they get better... propaganda artists working for them.
Because honestly, as I say, even I look at this and I'm like, what picture should I believe? What video should I believe?

Speaker 20 I believe I cannot trust anything coming out of Hamas, but where's the Israel side where they're showing me everything that really is happening? That I don't know. Anyway,

Speaker 20 I appreciate what you do.

Speaker 21 Yeah, thank you, Megan. Thanks for coming on.
Thanks for having me.

Speaker 20 Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene, thank you so much for being here. We're going to talk to you again soon.
And thanks to all of you for joining us today. We're back tomorrow.
See you then.

Speaker 20 Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly Show: No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

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