Zelensky Comes to DC Again, Fake Media Narratives, and Comey's Weird Taylor Swift Video, with Walter Kirn

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Speaker 15 It may feel like it's the waning days of a slow summer Monday, but not in Washington, D.C., where the future of world peace could be at stake today.

Speaker 15 As Ukrainian's President Zelensky makes his return to the White House for a meeting with President Trump, first time back since that disastrous meeting in February, plus a bunch of other European leaders tagging along.

Speaker 15 Mark Arubio says we invited them. I mean, I guess it's good they're there.

Speaker 15 Like, it's nice to have other leverage points against Zelensky besides just Trump and JD threatening him.

Speaker 15 Like, I don't know that he's going to do what anybody wants, but at least they're in his neighborhood. Like, they have a bigger stake in this than we do.
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Speaker 15 This follows President Trump's high-profile summit with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Alaska on Friday, which sent the media into meltdown.

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Speaker 15 Walter, welcome back.

Speaker 16 Great to be here.

Speaker 15 Great to have you. All right, so,

Speaker 15 you know, it doesn't look like we got anything out of Friday's meeting with Putin yet,

Speaker 15 right? Yet. I don't think we were expecting, I don't think Trump was expecting to spike the ball in the end zone and dance back down that red carpet.
But he's trying to get a dialogue going on

Speaker 15 stopping this war, on ending this war, something that's been completely stalled and going nowhere.

Speaker 15 So now he brings Zelensky to the table along with these European leaders.

Speaker 15 And unfortunately, it looks like if this thing ends, and when it ends, it's going to end on terms that are not favorable to Ukraine.

Speaker 15 They're going to have to give up the territory that Putin has seized.

Speaker 15 I think all they seem to be debating is whether they're going to have to give up even more territory than that, which Zelensky appears to say he won't to. Who could blame him?

Speaker 15 But all of this, sadly, is not a result of Donald Trump's inability to negotiate an end to a war.

Speaker 15 It's as a result of the fact that Ukraine lost the war, and there's really not much more we can do to help them other than try to stop the bleeding. That's my take on it.
Where do you stand?

Speaker 16 Well,

Speaker 16 first of all,

Speaker 16 I think any right-thinking person should want this to succeed. But apparently there are a lot of people who don't because the coverage of Friday's

Speaker 16 meeting

Speaker 16 focused unduly on Trump's reception of Putin, as though to meet another nuclear-powered world leader is something that you should

Speaker 16 do and insult the person. I mean,

Speaker 16 he shook his hand, he waved to him, he did all sorts of things that showed he was, you know, receptive to his office. And he was punished for it.
He's been punished for it, you know, hourly.

Speaker 16 I think there's a huge faction of people that don't want to see this war to end. They don't want to see the expenditures to end.

Speaker 16 They don't seem to mind the 15,000 people a week who are dying and so on.

Speaker 16 But I think it's absolutely

Speaker 16 the prelude to the future that we get this over. How do we move on with this thing going on with this? you know, open-ended proxy war with the biggest nuclear power in the world.

Speaker 16 So, so I, you know, as far as the new, as far as the European leaders showing up, I remember the Gilligan's Island song.

Speaker 16 They'd say, you know, the Skipper and Mary Ann and the rest, they all came in as a chorus. They just jumped on, you know, they jumped on planes and they, you know, they ran

Speaker 16 and they're forming a group shot, like a high school class in the background.

Speaker 16 And that tells me something might happen because they seem to want to be in on it.

Speaker 15 Yep. And the press over the weekend was trying to say, oh, they're doing it to babysit Trump.

Speaker 15 They're doing it to make sure that Trump doesn't give away the farm or that, you know, Zelensky's got backup. Marco Rubio pointing out to Margaret Brennan, I think we have it.

Speaker 15 They're there because we asked them to come. We invited them.
Do we have it? Let's play it.

Speaker 15 You know, there is concern from the Europeans that President Zelensky is going to be bullied into signing something away. That's why you have these European leaders coming as backup tomorrow.

Speaker 17 Can you? No, it isn't. That's

Speaker 18 not coming as back. That's not true.

Speaker 18 No, but that's not. Why would that's not true? They're not coming here tomorrow to keep Zelensky from being bullied.

Speaker 18 This is such a stupid media narrative that they're coming here tomorrow because Trump is going to bully Zelensky into a bad deal.

Speaker 18 We've been working with these people for weeks, for weeks on this stuff. They're coming here tomorrow because they chose to come here tomorrow.
We invited them to come. We invited them to come.

Speaker 18 The president invited them to come.

Speaker 15 Because it would be great, Walter, if if they could do more this is their neighborhood this is not even our neighborhood like we're a superpower so we've gotten involved we're trying to put an end to it but the europeans what what leading role have they played they should be here

Speaker 16 as though they have the power to bust into the office and say don't you bully that man you know i i mean they they are there as i say to form a you know a group shot in the background i doubt that any of them are hanging over trump's shoulder or hanging over Zelensky's shoulder saying, don't be bullied.

Speaker 16 I think it's classy of Trump to invite them. It's good to have them there.
You're right. They belong there.
It's their continent after all.

Speaker 16 But

Speaker 16 the idea that everything must be spun negatively toward Trump at this point is ridiculous. Let the guy negotiate the end to a war that he didn't start.
Okay?

Speaker 16 I mean, he wasn't there when this thing started. And, you know, I don't know what good it is for Putin to say it wouldn't have happened if Trump had been in office.

Speaker 16 You know, that's a wonderful hypothetical and a compliment, I suppose.

Speaker 16 But

Speaker 16 Trump didn't start this. He's trying to end it.

Speaker 16 It's a bloody war.

Speaker 16 It has the possibility of breaking into a kind of superpower war at any moment. It's as tense in some ways as the Cuban Missile Crisis.

Speaker 16 I mean, we've never launched missiles into Russian territory, which we basically did by proxy from Ukraine in the last month of Biden's presidency.

Speaker 16 That could have gone south in ways that only Hollywood has ever depicted.

Speaker 15 That's a good point.

Speaker 15 And now Trump is trying to like...

Speaker 15 have a good relationship with Putin, another nuclear power, and giving away minor things in order to help that. Like there's a red carpet out on the tarmac.

Speaker 15 Like the president does the, you know, the sort of glad-handing, you know, mild clap as Putin's coming toward him, which is a friendly gesture.

Speaker 15 Does anybody really think Trump's in favor of, you know, the killing of civilians by Russia and Ukraine? He's trying, this is his version of diplomacy.

Speaker 15 He's treating Putin the way he would want to be treated. He'd want a warm welcome.
He likes pomp and circumstance. He's like, who gives a shit? This doesn't cost us anything.

Speaker 16 Has anyone ever seen The King and I or any movie about majesty? Yes.

Speaker 16 The person who's gracious is the powerful person. Trump's taller.
He has the bigger plane. He made Putin walk between freaking stealth fighter jets.
He flew a B-2 over his head.

Speaker 16 What is he, you know, what's he supposed to do? Follow him with a crocodile or something? I mean,

Speaker 15 they want a meeting in like Wayne's World basement in order to put Putin where he belongs, as opposed to giving him any sort of celebratory welcome. It's like this stuff costs us nothing.

Speaker 15 Oh, in the world stage, we've elevated him. Oh, come on.
Literally, everybody in the world knows Putin. They know who he is.
They know what he's capable of.

Speaker 15 And they know exactly what Trump is doing, too. All of that is ridiculous.

Speaker 15 It's a gesture to say, I'm here in good faith to have a negotiation with you.

Speaker 16 That's a great point, Megan. The rest of the world knows Vladimir Putin.

Speaker 16 The rest of the world has not been propagandized for 10 years to believe that there should be no talking to this man, that he secretly controls Trump from behind the scenes.

Speaker 16 I mean, does anybody really believe that after seeing them together? I sure as didn't.

Speaker 16 After I saw 10 seconds of the footage between the two of them, I felt like Trump was going to hand Putin his briefcase and ask him to carry it,

Speaker 16 you know, or his golf bag. I felt he was being, if anything, a little too dominant.
I was like, you don't need to fly the bomber over his damn.

Speaker 15 The B2s are big.

Speaker 15 I thought it was actually kind of awesome. It was a badass move.
It was a flex. You know, it was like the ultimate flex to fly those things overhead.

Speaker 15 And Putin seemed a little jarred, like, whoa, what's that? You know, like, cause, of course, if you're Vladimir Putin, you have to be worried, like, they're about to take me out.

Speaker 15 That's got to be a daily fear on his part. And certainly the odds of you being taken out while you're standing next to Donald Trump, the sitting U.S.

Speaker 15 president, are slim, but there had to be at least a moment of, oh shit, what's happening? So that's good.

Speaker 15 It was Trump's way of like making him feel a little unsteady while he, you know, peppered the field with these meaningless niceties that also sent another message.

Speaker 15 I can be nice or I can be nice, not nice. That's that's quintessential Trump.

Speaker 16 And he made him come to us.

Speaker 16 He made him come to Alaska. You know, it's not like

Speaker 16 the beauteous,

Speaker 16 you know, sophisticated spot of the world to have to come to Alaska, to our most, you know,

Speaker 16 our chilliest and frozen frontier outpost.

Speaker 15 Spreading hope for Putin.

Speaker 16 Exactly. I mean,

Speaker 16 every single,

Speaker 16 every single law of hospitality suggests that when people come to you and are willing to have B-2 bombers flown over their heads and walk between rows of your fighter planes, you can at least shake their damn hand.

Speaker 15 Yeah, that's exactly right. I mean, then the media was like, oh, but it's Alaska and Russia used to own Alaska.
So this is a win for. It's like, you've got to be fucking kidding me.

Speaker 15 It's the United States. Alaska is part of the United States of America.
It is a win that he came to us. This is, look, Trump is not doing diplomacy the way we always were told it needed to be done.

Speaker 15 We would have been told, yes, that it had to be like, you couldn't shake his hand. You had to to have a scowl on your face.

Speaker 15 And also, the old way would have been the two world leaders would not even meet until there was a deal on the table.

Speaker 15 Like Marco Rubio and Sergei Lavrov would have already negotiated and ended this thing before the two principals would have shown their face. Trump just doesn't do things like that.

Speaker 15 He is a deal maker himself. He thinks I can get this done.
The more time I spend with this guy, the more I've advanced the ball toward ending it. And no one can understand that.

Speaker 15 They look at his behavior through their own old prisms without recognizing it's a new day. This is a new guy.
All those old rules are out the window. He's doing it his way.

Speaker 16 The last time

Speaker 16 Putin was on U.S. soil was in 2015.
He visited the United Nations in New York and he met with Obama.

Speaker 16 There was none of this analysis then of every single facial feature and handshake and so on.

Speaker 16 The right of a U.S. president to talk to a Russian leader was not questioned.

Speaker 16 And

Speaker 16 between the people who didn't want this to happen at all and the people who wanted it to fail,

Speaker 16 I really question whether or not,

Speaker 16 especially on the democratic and sort of liberal side, peace is still a value at all. They give it lip service, but this is what it looks like.
enemies meeting. Okay.

Speaker 16 They have, enemies must meet for there to be peace. If you can't stand that part, then you can't stand the rest.

Speaker 16 And to say that you're for it in theory means you have to be able to bear it in practice.

Speaker 15 Yeah, they I don't know what they want. They want Trump to stand firm.
They want Putin to give up the territory that he seized in Ukraine. Okay, but what if he won't?

Speaker 15 What if he will just keep killing Ukrainians on and on and on for another five years? Is that a win at the end of that? If then somehow with U.S.

Speaker 15 backing, when we're on the brink of nuclear world war, then Putin says, okay, you can have 10% of what I took back.

Speaker 15 How is that better than just letting him keep what he's taken, what the Ukrainians were not able to win back during the course of the war? Sorry, but it's a war and it's not going well for Ukraine.

Speaker 15 That's not a win. At this point, it's about cutting losses.
And here's the other thing, you know, for us domestically,

Speaker 15 the American people no longer support our involvement in any way in this war.

Speaker 15 But here's something that was apparently given up that's not going to go over well with MAGA. Here's the presidential envoy, Steve Witcoff, saying they did agree to something.

Speaker 15 He, as the envoy, prior to Putin getting here, it's SOT 10.

Speaker 20 We agreed to

Speaker 20 robust security guarantees that I would describe as game-changing. We didn't think that we were anywhere close to agreeing to Article 5 protection from the United States,

Speaker 20 legislative enshrinement within the Russian Federation not to go after any other territory when the peace deal is

Speaker 20 codified, legislative enshrinement in the Russian Federation not to go after any other European countries and violate their sovereignty. So we agreed to,

Speaker 20 and there was plenty more.

Speaker 15 Okay, I just want to say a couple things about this. First of all,

Speaker 15 any agreement by Putin not to go after additional territory, let's face it, it's not worth the paper that it's printed on.

Speaker 15 He's going to do what he wants to do unless you have real incentives built in to stop him. And that's where we've apparently agreed to act as though Ukraine is in NATO by the U.S.

Speaker 15 providing security guarantees if... Russia violates its written word not to do something else to Ukraine, which is not really what MAGA wanted.

Speaker 15 We don't really want to be the world's policeman and have to back Ukraine forevermore in this fight against Russia if Putin does come back for more.

Speaker 15 Like, I don't, I'm sorry. I know I speak for a lot of people, though.

Speaker 15 I do not want my sons going over to Ukraine and risking their lives to make sure Putin doesn't violate his word and take another 15%.

Speaker 15 But, and we'd been holding out on on that, saying we're not going to do that. And it appears like the breakthrough breakthrough we've made is now we are.
Well,

Speaker 15 so the United States has given something up, and Putin's given something up on paper that he'll never live up to. And Ukraine is stuck with the newly shitty borders and really not much of a guarantee.

Speaker 15 Look, it's not

Speaker 15 going well. The end of it's not going well.
The progress of it is not going well. And I think the U.S.

Speaker 15 getting more involved in guaranteeing Ukraine's security is a significant problem for us that the Republican Party is not going to embrace, or at least half of it.

Speaker 16 Well,

Speaker 16 I'm not happy that Ukraine made itself a virtual NATO member, that we allowed that to happen, that

Speaker 16 we made it one, frankly.

Speaker 16 In a weird way, what they're doing here is they're solemnizing or formalizing something that happened without Trump's permission, without America's permission, without America's knowledge, really.

Speaker 16 I mean, the run-up to the Ukraine war war happened sort of off in the shadows for most Americans.

Speaker 16 And the situation they were presented with was a fait accompli that they would never, I think, have voluntarily asked for.

Speaker 16 And I, you know, it's a measure of how we screwed ourselves in my book, you know, that such things would be considered.

Speaker 15 Yes, it's, it's like, it's reminding me of the pottery barn rule, right? Like you, if you break it, you buy it. And we're kind of acting like we broke it.
And we kind of did.

Speaker 15 Not Trump, but Democrats and interfering in Ukraine in 2014 and their democratically elected president.

Speaker 15 And ever since, when we've had Democratic administrations trying to amp up NATO, trying to saber-rattle that Ukraine was going to join it when they knew what Putin would do.

Speaker 15 And then Joe Biden, let's not forget a minor incursion. You know,

Speaker 15 maybe we could live with that is what he telegraphed. And then we got something that plus a lot more because it seemed to be a wink and a nod that Putin could get away with something.

Speaker 15 And then he took more than he was, quote unquote, offered. In any event, yeah, you're right.
Like, we did kind of break it. And now Trump is trying to fix it.

Speaker 15 But I hate to see us fix it by giving even more than we've already given.

Speaker 16 It's like marrying somebody and then finding you got to pay off their credit cards from before you were married.

Speaker 16 And, you know, it really,

Speaker 16 he has inherited debts that were incurred by Obama, frankly, and then which were

Speaker 16 increased under Biden, who was essentially Obama's proxy.

Speaker 16 And

Speaker 16 it's humiliating in a way that he should have to do so. But I guess in peace, everybody gets humiliated a little bit.

Speaker 15 I don't know. It's like, to me, it's

Speaker 15 like,

Speaker 15 I don't know.

Speaker 15 Tomorrow we're going to have Marjorie Taylor Greene on this show for the first time. And I'm actually really looking forward to talking to her.

Speaker 15 But like this, she's been sounding the alarm about, she doesn't have anything against Israel, but she thinks we're getting too involved, right? She thinks like

Speaker 15 this is not America first. And you can times that by 10 when it comes to Ukraine.
And I see her point. It's like.

Speaker 15 The people making these decisions, you know, the people who push Trump toward like getting more militarily involved and making more military promises and being more bellicose.

Speaker 15 Is it their sons who are going to have to go fight this and daughters now? Because by the way, our daughters can get drafted now. Thanks a lot, Joe Biden.

Speaker 15 Is it their kids who are going to have to fight? Because, you know, I actually have kids who this would truly affect, and it's a no.

Speaker 15 I'm not sending them to the Middle East, and I'm not sending them to Ukraine. I have zero interest in doing that, and I think I speak for most Americans when I say that.

Speaker 15 So, like, who's going to enforce these security guarantees?

Speaker 15 You know, I thought the whole point of the land deal where we were going to invest in their natural land, minerals, and all that in Ukraine was like, so we'd have a stake there, and like Putin would be chastised out of doing anything more with Ukraine because he knew, oh my God, the United States owns half of it, or at least, you know, these natural minerals.

Speaker 15 So I better not mess with it. I guess not, because like now we're saying we're going to provide security guarantees to Ukraine, which is what Zelensky's wanted.

Speaker 15 Anyway, I think it's not going particularly well. I think this thing does need to come to a close.

Speaker 15 If the that requires shitty terms for someone, I'm sorry, but it needs to be Ukraine, not us.

Speaker 15 And Europe, Europe can for once step up to the plate and provide the guarantees. Not us.
We're not the world's policemen.

Speaker 16 Well, you know, one of the problems is that we've fought a war here without spilling blood.

Speaker 16 I mean, not that anyone wants American blood to spill, but, you know, this was a cake and eat it to war in which we just paid money and we backed down the

Speaker 16 Russians. And we even fantasized we were going to overthrow Putin.
You know, every couple of weeks he was sick or he was about to be deposed or whatever.

Speaker 16 American thought it was going to get one for free here or, you know, for the price of weapons. And

Speaker 15 that is so true.

Speaker 16 And we're not getting it for free. And it was our fantastic,

Speaker 16 you know, eat more and lose weight.

Speaker 16 fantasy that you could win a war against Russia without losing a soldier. And it turns out when you try to do those things, when you try to get it all, you actually lose.
And we're losing something.

Speaker 16 You're right.

Speaker 15 So Zelensky's now going to the White House. And I think we're going to have a very different experience with him there than we did the last time.

Speaker 15 He's already saying, oh, this is only going to be brought to an end by strength. And President Trump is strong.

Speaker 15 I don't know what to expect out of today. I just think we're already too far down a line that gives us skin in the game, more skin than I think

Speaker 15 we should have to provide.

Speaker 15 But I think the odds of like another catastrophic meltdown at the White House with Zelensky there are pretty slim. Do you disagree? What do you think?

Speaker 16 It's unclear who that guy works for and who he answers to, frankly. I mean,

Speaker 16 he had the temerity to insert himself in a presidential election. Remember him with Josh Shapiro?

Speaker 15 Signing the weapons.

Speaker 16 Signing the weapons as though he had some say in which president we elect. I mean, he has been one of the most impudent and frankly

Speaker 16 disrespectful

Speaker 16 world leaders we've ever dealt with. And he's supposed to be our ally.
I think anything's possible with him. He could pull any stunt.
He's done it in the past.

Speaker 15 Gosh. Well, it's happening.
So we'll keep our eyes on the Oval Office to see, you know, what if anything goes down there. I do want to stay a little bit on Putin, but shift a focus because you went on

Speaker 15 Bill Marshall on Friday night, and you were there with leftist Molly Jung Fast.

Speaker 15 And she was very upset about the meeting with Putin on Friday. Here's just one of the things she said.
She speaks for many liberals in this, SA-11.

Speaker 15 It's crushed some norms having him walk across a red carpet while Trump clapped.

Speaker 22 I mean, that generally can't be.

Speaker 23 Are we really going to go through this kind of bullshit? Like it's when, like, you know,

Speaker 23 Obama wore a tan suit and he's saluted with coffee in his hand. Who gives a shit what he walks across?

Speaker 23 I mean, there's people dying over there.

Speaker 15 That was good.

Speaker 15 That was good, Bill Maher. But then there was bad Bill Maher.
There was a moment of bad Bill Maher where he got up in your grill, Walter, and he was so wrong about this.

Speaker 16 It was because of good Bill Maher that I felt I could speak to him reasonably, but he didn't like it the second time.

Speaker 15 No, he did not, because then you guys got into Russia Gate, switching from Russia to Russia Gate or ObamaGate, depending on your preference, but the meltdown of the whole story around Donald Trump and the alleged Russian collusion that's been happening in this country for the past two months, thanks to Chelsea Gabbard.

Speaker 15 So

Speaker 15 Bill Maher was not listening to you, Walter Kern, when you tried to explain to him that what happened allegedly in 15, 16 between Trump and Russia was not a scandal.

Speaker 15 And what the Democrats did to Trump around Russia in that same timeframe and ever after is a scandal. And here's a little of how that went and sought for.

Speaker 23 Which I think he, I mean, I don't, look, I don't think he was exactly a Russian agent, agent, but you know, Russiagate was not, you know, completely made up.

Speaker 24 Well, Bill, there we disagree. I think we're finding out day by day that it was almost completely made up.

Speaker 25 Oh, please.

Speaker 17 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 23 It's on tape. He's asking the Russians for help on tape, which he gave them that day.
They released those emails that day that they hacked. He said, could you please hack some shit?

Speaker 23 They did it and released it that day to help him. So don't tell me there's no smoke.

Speaker 25 Let's not re-litigate that ear.

Speaker 24 Well, we are re-litigating it because it's before a grand jury right now, and we'll find out who.

Speaker 19 Okay.

Speaker 23 But let me ask a broader question. Because first, I take your point.
I think it's kind of a zombie lie that Trump is Putin's

Speaker 23 bitch. Because, I mean, he certainly was over-friendly to him for a very long time, considering who Putin is,

Speaker 23 a thug and a murderer.

Speaker 24 In 2015, Obama met him, and nobody said anything in New York.

Speaker 24 He met him.

Speaker 23 He didn't praise him. He didn't say he's the greatest guy in the world.
I could read 20 compliments that Trump has given to him. He said he's a fun guy to be with.
No, that's absolutely.

Speaker 15 Okay.

Speaker 15 So

Speaker 15 what a red herring by Marr there, Walter, bringing up the Trump comments about, oh, Putin, if you're listening,

Speaker 15 that's his evidence that Trump colluded with.

Speaker 15 I mean, in a way, I appreciate him saying it because that's what a lot of leftists think.

Speaker 16 Oh, I mean, it's an insane and ridiculous assertion. If you think about the mechanics of that, Trump says something on TV.

Speaker 16 Putin, who happens to be watching American TV or whatever, says, hey, let's go hack them. Trump just asked for it.

Speaker 15 Great idea.

Speaker 16 Let's go do it. Oh, and then he somehow releases it through back to the American media all in an afternoon.

Speaker 16 None of that happened.

Speaker 16 None of it could have happened if you want to think it through. But let's think about this.
The Trump-Russia scandal, which was really Hillary throwing a SHIT fit over,

Speaker 16 you know, having lost, but one that she started long before because she had all this email exposure and other things, has been used to keep us apart from Russia, to keep Trump from meeting Putin, to keep the, I would say, the run-up to the Ukraine war, which was happening while Trump was president.

Speaker 16 You know, remember, they impeached him for just trying to talk to zelensky remember i i mean he uh the perfect phone call trump was hampered and put in manacles as far as russia policy from the beginning by this series of gross exaggerations and outright lies many of which are now the stuff of grand jury investigations.

Speaker 16 And I promise you, will continue to be debunked and even shown to be conspiracies of some kind.

Speaker 16 Maybe not indictable ones or maybe not ones that will end in prosecutions, but they may. And day by day, we're going to get that news, and we have been getting it.

Speaker 16 Bill Maher has apparently been on vacation all of August because we've had more

Speaker 16 case-closed news about

Speaker 16 the ways in which the intelligence community and the law enforcement community, if you include the FBI, got together and with zero evidence and with this crappy steel dossier, which is

Speaker 16 less real than one of my novels, tried to keep this guy from taking office and then from holding it and certainly keep him from

Speaker 16 negotiating as a peer with Putin. And Molly Jong Fast and Bill suggesting that no one has ever complimented Putin in the past, Hillary went there with a freaking button to hit a reset with Mediev.

Speaker 16 You know, they brought crops.

Speaker 16 George Bush saw the good man that he was when he looked into his eyes. Remember?

Speaker 15 Yeah.

Speaker 16 Many people have had compliments for the Russian leader. And I can't even think of what

Speaker 16 Trumps are, really. He met him in Helsinki once, and they came around him and made it an almost impossible situation.
And that was it.

Speaker 15 We've been kept. Bill Maher has been on the wrong side of the Russiagate story from the beginning.
I mean, and he's been a main pusher of the nonsense.

Speaker 15 Your cohort on your podcast, Matt Taibbi, wrote a long piece about it after that exchange with Maher, pointing out that when the whole, you know, when Russagate fell apart

Speaker 15 and it was obvious that Mueller did not have the goods on Trump, Bill Maher had Eric Swalwell on and said to him, well, I don't need the Mueller report to know that he, meaning Trump, is a traitor.

Speaker 15 I have a TV.

Speaker 15 And as Taebi put it, this has been his story ever since, and he too is sticking with it.

Speaker 15 I mean, that's like Bill, with all due respect to Bill, has been hashtag part of the problem on RussiaGate and therefore, not shockingly, I guess, cannot see its complete dismantling.

Speaker 15 And really, like all the motivations and the crafting of all the lies that are coming out day by day, like the revelations about the crafting, he cannot see it with objective eyes eyes and maybe isn't even trying.

Speaker 15 I don't know. But like the sneering, oh, come on to you.
It's on tape as though this has all been settled years ago. We saw and heard it with our own eyes and ears.

Speaker 16 A lot of what these media people do, especially at the level of cable news and cable TV and network TV, is they give the audience permission to close its mind.

Speaker 16 You don't need to learn anything more about this. You already know.
Stick with what we said five years ago, and we'll tell you if there's any revision. They do it with COVID.

Speaker 16 They do it with every issue. You know, it always takes the time.

Speaker 16 It always takes time to excavate the truth about issues, especially ones that have been presented as having only one side by the mainstream media. Then it takes years,

Speaker 16 you know, between the establishment resistance and the media's resistance to get at the truth. Then, as you get at it, they come out and say, it's old news.

Speaker 16 You already formed an opinion. Don't change it.
If you want to change it, we'll let you know when.

Speaker 16 Until then,

Speaker 15 move on.

Speaker 15 We might change it when we get a new president in there who does exactly the same stuff. And then we'll see it entirely differently.
We promise. As long as it's a Democrat in there.

Speaker 15 But they, like, you just listen, Trump tweeted out today, or Truth Social Doubt today, something to the effect of, I could have Putin give us St. Petersburg and Moscow.

Speaker 15 And this press would still be like, it's a fail.

Speaker 15 You know, somehow, whatever. We don't want the hassle of having all those beautiful river canals in St.
Petersburg. We don't want riverfront property where we can sip our wine.
It's a fail.

Speaker 15 He should have gotten a better city out of Russia.

Speaker 15 And you listen to like the coverage of that Trump Putin moment on Friday, and it's just, he's so right. It's glaring.
This soundbite, I have a bunch of sound bites of people just ripping him.

Speaker 15 But here's one of, well, just take a listen. You'll hear why I'm playing it.
Saad 18.

Speaker 15 It was just very unusual, atypical, and I think we're all awaiting

Speaker 15 the readout because the way that it felt in the room

Speaker 15 was not good. It did not seem like things went well.
And that's why Putin came in and steamrolled.

Speaker 15 A lot of the press corps that was there, they reported in the minutes and hours after the presser, that they saw members of the administration like Carolyn Levitt look ashen, almost frightened after what they had seen behind closed doors.

Speaker 27 Levitt appeared to be a bit stressed out, anxious. Their eyes were wide, almost ashen.
This was not the way the president likes to do things. He likes to be the producer of this presidency.

Speaker 15 Okay. There is zero chance that Caroline Levitt

Speaker 15 was ashen or stunned with wide eyes. There's zero, zero chance, those last two soundbikes, MSNBC.
And by the way, Jackie Henrich of Fox News is like, he got steamrolled.

Speaker 15 It is customary to let the opposing president, the visiting president, speak first to have the first shot at

Speaker 15 saying anything because he's come to you. So that was one tradition that Trump actually honored.
And the media, rather than saying Trump honored tradition here, he got steamrolled. She was ashen.

Speaker 15 She had big eyes.

Speaker 15 Bullshit. This is so crazy, Walter.

Speaker 16 No, it is. It's like hearing a medium or some sort of spiritual reading of the thing.
You know, the feeling was bad. The spirits were angry.

Speaker 15 You know,

Speaker 15 the Ouija board said, net.

Speaker 16 Yeah. Don't they have news to report?

Speaker 16 Why are they so uniformly

Speaker 16 ill-wishing for this? I mean,

Speaker 16 let's get real. There must be some massive interest group that is ongoing, that predates Trump and that has a lot at stake here in us failing to reach a peace accord under Trump.
It's not just

Speaker 15 a policy to Trump.

Speaker 15 It's a combo, right? Military-industrial complex and its control over many pockets of our society. But the media, I think, comes by it in a way, honestly.

Speaker 15 They just hate Trump and everything he does will be viewed through the negative prism. It's not that they have an active interest in seeing the military-industrial complex go on.

Speaker 15 It's like I'm rooting against him. And in general, I'm rooting for war.
I mean, in general, they know that they're supposed to root for war.

Speaker 16 I mean, they always have, right? I mean, there isn't a war that they haven't been all for until Walter Cronkite famously soured on the Vietnam War late in the game.

Speaker 16 And, you know, that's held out as some moment of empowering conscience in our history. But the truth is.

Speaker 16 Also, two of them came up with the word Ashen at the same time. I know the vocabularies of these reporters.
They're not that great. That was not a coincidence.

Speaker 16 What happens is these these people are together more than they're apart. Okay.
They're in a gaggle. I remember when the first time I went to a

Speaker 16 Republican convention

Speaker 16 and I asked a reporter, I said, where are you seated? Where are you going to watch it? And they said, oh, we're not actually going to the stadium.

Speaker 16 We're going to go in the viewing room where we all sit together and crack jokes about it and get together our lines about what we're going to write. And that's what happened there.

Speaker 16 You had all these reporters kept together. They traded, you know, impressions and ages.

Speaker 15 Yeah, she looked Ashen. Yeah, and Ashen.
Yeah.

Speaker 16 It's groupthink divided up as though they all have a, you know, they have separate heads, but one body. And what, and sometimes you wonder, is Trump really,

Speaker 16 is it really Trump they hate? Or is it perhaps that Trump, even at the very beginning of his term, promised to throw a wrench into what might be coming, which was

Speaker 15 a

Speaker 16 long prepared for conflict with Russia.

Speaker 15 The

Speaker 15 folks over at MSNBC are not taking their humiliation well, meaning the Tulsi Gabbard revelations.

Speaker 15 I mean, we knew that they had pushed a false hoax on all of us with Russia, Russia, Russia, Rachel Maddow, chief among them.

Speaker 15 But we did a whole episode on Friday about how the daily over at the New York Times, their podcast, did the most disgusting, dishonest episode I've seen in a long time with their compromised reporter, Michael Schmidt, who got a Pulitzer for his wrong reporting.

Speaker 15 I mean, his completely getting the story wrong, the bent of it wrong, stories still up that are wrong, wrong, wrong, that were so wrong, he didn't repeat them in his own book about Russia Gate.

Speaker 15 In any event, he then went over to MSNBC to whitewash his terrible podcast from the New York Times that had nothing but wrong, wrong, wrong statements in it.

Speaker 15 And she didn't even disclose that she was married to the guy. It's like total journalistic breach.
She has him on, and then she lets him whitewash the story more.

Speaker 15 They whitewash it for the MSNBC viewers. And here is how MSNBC sounded now over the weekend and in the wake of the Trump-Putin meeting.

Speaker 15 Let's see if they're starting to get the story a little bit less wrong than they used to get it. Here's Eric Swalwell on MSNBC

Speaker 15 on the weeknight, Friday evening, SOT 14.

Speaker 28 Well, if you're in Europe, you're quite worried now because you just saw the President of the United States achieve zero, and they will have to ask themselves what more are they willing to do, knowing that they too could be thrown under the bus if Russia ever moved farther west.

Speaker 28 But as far as objectives, I was hoping to hear that there would be a trilateral meeting. That didn't come out of this.
I was hoping to hear there'd be a ceasefire. That didn't come out of this.

Speaker 28 And I was hoping to at least hear about the territory that would be proposed or exchanged by both sides. That didn't come out of this.

Speaker 28 Look, Alicia, I don't know if Donald Trump is or is not a Russian asset. I do know that at press conferences like this and like at Helsinki, he certainly acts like one.

Speaker 28 And that is cold comfort for anyone in the United States, particularly in our military, that the commander-in-chief would be so flattering of and so charming to a ruthless dictator like Vladimir Putin.

Speaker 15 Oh my God. Chisaki,

Speaker 15 I mean, why does Nicole Wallace always look like she just sucked a lemon before she went on the air? Just

Speaker 16 training of some kind.

Speaker 16 It's training of some kind.

Speaker 16 She's not allowed to show emotion lest she might show

Speaker 16 positive emotion. Humanity.

Speaker 15 They all sat there. They all sat there for that, Walter.
They said nothing. Stop with the Russian asset nonsense.
Just stop it, you nutcase.

Speaker 16 It's starting to remind me of 1960s thrillers like Seven Days in May

Speaker 16 about a coup. He just spoke to the military of the United States and said, I think your boss is a Russian agent, or I don't know if he is, but you should be very disturbed by this.

Speaker 16 Does he want a mutiny? What does he want? I mean, that is... the kind of breathtaking language that used to be used of by the right sometimes of like jane fonda during the Vietnam era.

Speaker 16 Right, the true crazy yeah, is she a commie or what? Or it was used by Joe McCarthy of Hollywood people. Ah, you're, you know, you're a red agent, you're in Hollywood to disrupt America's way of life.

Speaker 16 That is paranoid, crazy stuff. And to be talking to the U.S.

Speaker 16 military around the back of their commander-in-chief about the notion that he might be working for the enemy is that we've gotten used to that is crazy and dangerous.

Speaker 15 Well, and here we go. The other narrative all over MSNBC was

Speaker 15 everything, everything Tulsi has released, even Trump's meeting with Putin, is about covering up the Epstein scandal. This is all an effort to get us to move off of Epstein.

Speaker 15 Meanwhile, we've already moved off of Epstein. Like it was a scandal.

Speaker 15 We hit the president hard. Many people on the right did.
It wasn't just a leftist story. Then the left tried to make it all about Donald Trump.
That's about when most of us were like,

Speaker 15 you're insane. Goodbye.
And they're still holding on over on MSNBC that everything, everything

Speaker 15 is a cover for the Epstein story. I give you Lawrence O'Donnell here in SOT 16.

Speaker 23 Donald Trump will fly to Alaska to meet with a war criminal who he has called a genius in order to avoid questions about a pedophile who raped children while Donald Trump was calling him a terrific guy.

Speaker 15 I mean,

Speaker 15 like, some level, you got to give him some credits for those gymnastics. Those are some impressive moves.
That's like the triple Sow Cow. I'm mixing now gymnastics and ice skating.

Speaker 15 In any event, it's impressive in its flexibility to get us from

Speaker 15 he's trying to end the Ukraine war and save lives to

Speaker 15 it's all made up to distract from Epstein, and he managed to get Vladimir Putin here to help him do that.

Speaker 16 Let's remember that this latest round of Epstein obsession was started by Elon Musk. It wasn't started by the left.

Speaker 16 They didn't resurrect Epstein, but they saw an opportunity after Elon Musk, in the middle of some kind of a lover's quarrel with Trump, brought it up.

Speaker 16 Now, the NFL season is going to be a distraction from Epstein. Everything's going to do is, you know,

Speaker 15 Hurricane Aaron.

Speaker 16 And how is he avoiding anything? They're talking about it non-stop. You know,

Speaker 16 Trump's avoiding it by going to Alaska. No, he isn't.
They won't shut up about it.

Speaker 15 He just sent his deputy attorney general to go interview Ghelane Maxwell. The House Oversight Committee is trying to interview Ghelane Maxwell.

Speaker 15 Like, listen, it's not ideal, but it's a weird way to completely cover it up.

Speaker 16 Megan,

Speaker 16 when Epstein died three days later, I wrote an op-ed for the New York Times. They reached out to me out here in Montana because they didn't want to touch it back there in New York.

Speaker 16 They thought semi-crazy Walter out there in Montana can can maybe uh respectively ask the question of whether everything's kosher about this death he's been alone with the moose and the bears long enough that he can get away with this yeah we'll put it on him you know let mikey do it and so let walter ask questions about epstein so i did and

Speaker 16 i did it when the new york times wouldn't touch it when nobody would touch it for years i have researched this and followed it at an almost unhealthy level and i'll tell you for many years you were called QAnon if you cared about Epstein, if you cared about pedophilia, if you cared about where are the missing children and so on.

Speaker 16 Suddenly, it's the, you know, you're not a card-carrying Democrat unless Epstein is your greatest concern.

Speaker 15 That's so true.

Speaker 15 Where is

Speaker 15 the people?

Speaker 15 You're exactly right. Honestly, it's like they couldn't have had less interest.
And if you, if you said, like, Epstein didn't kill himself, then they'd be like,

Speaker 15 you're a true nutcase. There's something wrong with you.
And now they're all in. Now you've got in-depth CBS news pieces deconstructing the prison cell video frame by frame.
Here's a hit.

Speaker 15 Here's a hit. Here's what it doesn't show.
Like, oh, oh, hello. Welcome to the party.
Come on in. The water's fine.
It's great to see you, Lawrence O'Donnell. So glad you finally care about Epstein.

Speaker 15 But it's like, it's such a joke. And even in his world, like, think of it.
How do you get to the point where

Speaker 15 Trump in trying to negotiate a peace in ukraine like all of that which started pre-trump

Speaker 15 this whole thing with putin the summit like this is all to distract from epstein i mean truly i don't think you're appreciating his his backflips enough walter you're not giving him enough credit

Speaker 16 lawrence or donald's you mean or yes

Speaker 16 uh well it is it is a desperate situation when they have to claim that an investigation into Russia gate that has literally been going on since 2018.

Speaker 16 I mean, Horowitz, Cash Patel, a lot of this evidence was locked up by John Bolton of all people in a safe.

Speaker 16 I mean, it's not as though Trump reached back into time and said, you know, how can I go back and create a six-year investigation that will cover up?

Speaker 15 uh that will distract from epstein in may 2025 uh And by the way, Walter, by the way, if what Tulsi had released, which did come on the heels of Epstein, had been a nothing burger, had been like she's trying to make something out of nothing, then maybe we'd say, all right, yeah, you know, this is, this is the classic, like, look over here.

Speaker 15 But it did not turn out to be that at all. There have been true bombshells in what she's revealed.
And then a CIA director as well.

Speaker 15 Like, just ask your co-host, Matt Taibbi's been amazing on all of this. So the nerve to try to be like, the whole thing is made up.
Like, hello, I was open-minded that on day one. I was.

Speaker 15 My audience knows that. Like, if there's no there, I will tell them there's no there there.
There's there. There's lots of there.
There's there everywhere.

Speaker 16 And we're, and we're probably going to see indictments. There's so much there there because it, we have been told that this has gone to grand juries.

Speaker 16 And if these people are good politicians and good lawyers, they have some confidence that those grand juries are going to return indictments if they talk about it

Speaker 16 in advance.

Speaker 15 That's right.

Speaker 16 And the biggest revelation of all was that the Russians supposedly knew back in the spring of 2016 that Hillary was planning on blaming

Speaker 16 if Trump was nominated, she was going to blame him or try to attach him to Russia as a campaign strategy, which is exactly what she went and did. In other words, they...

Speaker 16 They caught them planning a hoax and then they went ahead with the hoax.

Speaker 15 That's exactly right.

Speaker 15 We were debating this on our show on Friday with Aaron Mate and Michael Schellenberger because Mate was like, Well, I don't know about those two Russian emails that allegedly show one of Hillary's top guys saying she's got a whole plot.

Speaker 15 She's going to try to tie Trump to Russia. He goes, I don't know.
That might be Russian disinformation. The Russian emails themselves say

Speaker 15 the analysis that John Durham came up with says they might have been an amalgam of other Russian documents showing that she was trying to do this.

Speaker 15 But Michael Schellenberger pointed out that some of the top officials within the Intel agencies themselves were saying, no, we do believe that these are legit emails.

Speaker 15 But secondly, and most importantly, she did it. She did exactly that.
So why should we doubt that the Russians knew she was going to do it?

Speaker 15 They called the shot Babe Ruth style, and then she did the exact thing.

Speaker 16 Oh, man.

Speaker 16 All I'll say is this. There is far more evidence for a Russia gate hoax than there was for Donald Trump as Putin stooge.
A thousand times more at this point.

Speaker 15 Well, and they're still grappling with that.

Speaker 15 And by the way, we have reason to believe that there will be disclosures this week relating to the media, the media who were complicit in pushing these stories.

Speaker 15 So we're going to be watching John Solomon and all the other great reporters who have been neck deep in this for those reveals. Walter stays with me.
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Speaker 15 Walter, speaking of Russia gate, James Comey is in the news today. He could be getting indicted any day.

Speaker 15 But his mind is in a more peaceful place.

Speaker 15 He's being reflective. He's thinking about what matters and has begun a sub stack with this offering.

Speaker 29 You see, Taylor Swift and I go way back. I went to the first concert of hers 15 years ago.

Speaker 29 I've been to a second and I have helped financially support the attendance of a lot of family members at others. I'm in a family's Swifty group chat.

Speaker 29 I know all her music, and I listen to it in my headphones when I cut the grass.

Speaker 29 So, yes, I have a favorite of hers, although honestly, for me, it's a tie between All Too Well, 10-minute version, and Exile featuring Bonnie Ver.

Speaker 15 There's more. Stand by.
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Speaker 29 Like a lot of you, I struggle with how to stand up to bullies without letting their meanness infect me and change me. I don't want us to become like Trump and his followers.

Speaker 29 Here, I am not an advocate for weakness. Of course we need to stand up to jerks and defend what matters.
But I think we have to try to do that without becoming like them.

Speaker 29 Which is what makes me think about Taylor Swift. While our elderly makeup-covered president is posting about whether Taylor Swift is still hot and declaring that he can't stand her, what's she doing?

Speaker 29 Living her best life. At my second Taylor Swift concert in Hartford, Connecticut, 14 years ago this summer, she sang a song about this topic, asking, why you got to be so mean?

Speaker 15 Oh my God.

Speaker 29 And she spoke directly to the nasty people.

Speaker 29 I bet you got pushed around. Somebody made you cold.
But the cycle ends right now, because you can't leave me down that road.

Speaker 15 Is it over?

Speaker 15 Is it done?

Speaker 16 Yes, man.

Speaker 15 It's so cringy.

Speaker 16 It's so creepy. It's like some strange person at church or a vice principal trying to relate to you.
You know, they've got you in a room. You're 13 years old.

Speaker 15 For the listening audience, Walter's doing the eyebrow raise and lower. Oh, hello.
Little girl, thank you for coming back when I called you.

Speaker 15 First of all, James Comey is trying not to become a bully. James Comey, the one who just tweeted out a picture of 8647.
Like, we don't want to become like the bullies who harass us.

Speaker 15 You actually are under investigation for possibly, it looked like to me and many others, calling for the murder of the sitting president. So maybe, maybe

Speaker 15 you needed more Taylor Swift that day. Maybe that your demons got the better of you, Jim.
But just the weird self-helpy tone and like, like a lot of you. And meanwhile, he's in a coat and tie, right?

Speaker 15 It's like

Speaker 15 you're trying to be this like, oh, shocks, Taylor's our girl. She's our muse for tough times.

Speaker 15 In your suit and coat, talking about how you went to see her when you were the head of Bridgewater and about to be made FBI director.

Speaker 15 There's too much weirdness for me to digest in one sentence here, Walter.

Speaker 16 That he's memorized Taylor Swift lyrics is one of the most embarrassing admissions I've ever seen an adult make.

Speaker 16 Also, he's standing against a wall that looks like he may not be a free man. I'm not sure where he is.

Speaker 16 That could be almost anywhere in the world. Is he still in the United States? It's unclear.
Also,

Speaker 16 I love how buying tickets for your kids is financially supporting

Speaker 16 people attending Taylor Swift concerts. Oh, what a fancy way of saying I gave my kids some money to buy tickets.
Right. He's such a giant.

Speaker 15 Everything he does is so altruistic.

Speaker 16 He hasn't been to a concert for 14 years, but he's her biggest fan. What?

Speaker 16 This makes me wonder also if there was a pre-arrangement with Taylor Swift. Would she agree to be name-checked at length in this way?

Speaker 16 Or did he surprise her? Because she just became uncool by proxy. Like the last thing a teenager wants to do is go to the FBI approved concert.

Speaker 15 Didn't she? And by the way, what's wrong with the rock?

Speaker 15 Well,

Speaker 15 the way he's talking about her is exactly the kind of language that would put a red alert on an FBI agent investigating someone. Like, she and I go way back.

Speaker 15 I've known her for 15 years. No, you don't know her.
You went to a concert. That you, you don't know Taylor Swift.
You saw her on a big screen at a concert. You and she have no relationship, sir.

Speaker 15 Step away from the Taylor Swift doll. It's very, like, it's very creepy.
And it's amazing to me that We used to respect this man so much.

Speaker 15 And by the way, he's been in the business of ruining lives for a long, long time. Look what he's tried to do to Donald Trump, right? With the whole the Russiagate stuff.

Speaker 15 And now he actually wants to lecture us on being like nice and appealing to your better angels instead of becoming the bullies that affect us we can't become the bullies it's like you actually went after Donald Trump and tried to to sick the entire FBI on him you came up with false charges against him which you knew were bullshit meanwhile you ran cover for Hillary Clinton

Speaker 15 and while you're lecturing us on being super sweet you're calling him our elderly man wearing makeup who sits in the white house like i i'm not sure you're picking up what you're putting down there, Jim.

Speaker 16 He could have used some makeup. Did you see how white the area of

Speaker 15 eyes are? One might even say ashen.

Speaker 16 Yeah, one might say.

Speaker 16 Yeah, exactly. I would report stalker Jim Comey to the current FBI if I were Taylor Swift.

Speaker 17 You know, I would.

Speaker 16 But also, this.

Speaker 16 He seems terrified. That is some kind of appeal to

Speaker 16 pop culture, maybe to a jury, hoping that

Speaker 16 he'll get a Taylor Swift fan on his jury someday.

Speaker 16 That is the most odd choice of appeals when you are in legal peril that I've ever seen. And it can only be, in my estimation, because it didn't convince anybody out there who's a civilian,

Speaker 16 an attempt to make himself look human to a potential jury. Or one that's sitting right now in a grand jury room somewhere.

Speaker 15 You cannot be bullied. You were the former FBI director.
Like, that is literally the height of power, of law enforcement power

Speaker 15 in the United States of America. You're unbullyable, James Comey.
And I realize you're no longer in the role, but you...

Speaker 15 The reason people are interested in you is because you held that power for years and it seems very clear, abused it as we're learning more every every day.

Speaker 15 The nerve to run out there and act like he's been bullied. And it reminds me of, I had negative commentary about Beyonce not long ago.

Speaker 15 And some moron on Twitter was like, said something similar, like, it's amazing to see the people Trump bullied become bullies themselves. I can't bully Beyonce.

Speaker 15 She's literally one of the richest, most famous, most successful artists in the world. It's not possible to bully her.
And by the way, way, this is a McDonald's, madam.

Speaker 15 Like she's on X complaining about barbs against other people. Like go to Instagram if you're looking for soft talk or maybe James Comey's sub stack.
But on Twitter, we throw sharp elbows.

Speaker 15 If you don't like it, get the fuck off. Sorry.

Speaker 16 These people know something's coming.

Speaker 16 This was a, you know, a very

Speaker 16 pathetic

Speaker 16 PR move. I don't know who advised it.
I hope maybe one of his daughters was listening to a Taylor Swift album or whoever it is in his family who attends these concerts.

Speaker 16 But this guy is about six foot eight, by the way. Okay.

Speaker 16 A six foot eight FBI director is in two ways an intimidating person.

Speaker 16 And now he looks frightened. And now he's making fun of other people's appearances.
And he's, you know, talking about not being dragged down into the dirt.

Speaker 16 Isn't Taylor Swift, by the way, famous for getting revenge on every ex-boyfriend that she's ever had? I mean, she's not exactly

Speaker 16 a pushover herself. I mean,

Speaker 16 she takes revenge on people after they break up with her or whatever.

Speaker 16 In a way, it's a very Trumpian aspect of her personality.

Speaker 15 You know, she's not the only one who could potentially be indicted, who might just be be out there trying to soften someone before that bad event occurs.

Speaker 15 Hillary Clinton made some obviously insincere comment about nominating Trump for a Nobel Peace Prize under very, very limited circumstances that no one's actually discussing.

Speaker 15 And there is some speculation, including from our own Link Lauren, that this may be an attempt to soften Trump on her. Take a listen here.

Speaker 15 He gains nothing by capitulating to Putin. I understand from everything I've read, he very much would like to receive the Nobel Peace Prize.

Speaker 15 And honestly, if he could bring about the end to this terrible war

Speaker 15 where Putin is the aggressor invading a neighbor country, trying to change the borders, if he could end it without putting Ukraine in a position where it had to concede its territory to the the aggressor, had to, in a way,

Speaker 15 validate Putin's

Speaker 15 vision of greater Russia, but instead could really stand up to Putin, something we haven't seen, but maybe this is the opportunity.

Speaker 15 Good faith efforts, let us say, not to threaten European security. If we could pull that off, if President Trump were the architect of that, I'd nominate him for a Nobel Peace Prize.

Speaker 15 Okay.

Speaker 15 So

Speaker 15 then President Trump actually responded when he was asked about this. Watch.

Speaker 31 In fact, did you see that Hillary Clinton yesterday said that if you got this deal done and not capitulate to Putin, that she would nominate you for the Nobel Peace Prize?

Speaker 15 If President Trump were the architect of that, I'd nominate him for a Nobel Peace Prize. Well,

Speaker 21 that was very nice.

Speaker 24 I may have to start liking her again.

Speaker 15 Don't do it, President Trump. Do not buy it.
Do not take the bait. And by the way, she said, if Ukraine doesn't have to concede any of its territory, which is not a realistic

Speaker 15 condition, as she puts it. So she gives herself the out in the premise as she offers it.

Speaker 15 Your thoughts on whether she, too, is trying to soften someone who may have control in some way over her future freedom.

Speaker 16 She's licking his hand. You know,

Speaker 16 she came up and she gave a little tentative lick of the hand to show that there are, you know, there are circumstances in which she might team up with him.

Speaker 16 And Trump, you know, one of Trump's charms and one of his weaknesses is that no matter who flatters him, I mean, if Charles Manson came out and said he loved Trump, Trump would say, you know, Manson isn't a bad guy.

Speaker 15 It's not all bad.

Speaker 16 You know, he really does respond to it. And

Speaker 16 I thought he was a little too soft on her, you know,

Speaker 15 because

Speaker 16 she either did bad things or she didn't. And whether

Speaker 15 she's trying to ruin your presidency, she would have loved for you to be in jail for a fake made-up

Speaker 15 hoax controversy. What are you saying? It was like obviously off the cuff, but absolutely no.
There will be no softening on Hillary Clinton. None.

Speaker 16 Well, let's hope not. I mean,

Speaker 16 if the goods are there, they're there. And it doesn't matter if she comes and kneels at your doorstep.

Speaker 15 Correct.

Speaker 16 But

Speaker 16 my sense is that the real peace negotiation in the world right now is between Hillary and Trump.

Speaker 16 The Zelensky and Putin-Trump negotiation may have already been settled behind the scenes, but Hillary and Trump and James Comey and Trump are actively engaged in negotiations.

Speaker 15 And that one can never be. That one can never be settled.
All right.

Speaker 15 Now, while we're on the subject of possible indictments, we are looking at an update on the possible indictments of Adam Schiff and Letitia James, New York State's Attorney General.

Speaker 15 Uh, Tish James is an Adams, uh, Adam Schiff, now the senator from California, but longtime House of Representatives member.

Speaker 15 The special prosecutor, special attorney Ed Martin, who's been appointed by the DOJ to look into both of those cases, was spotted checking out Tish James's home in Brooklyn on Friday.

Speaker 15 He went out there. This is the home.
She's got a couple of problems. She's got one home that she said was her primary residence, I think down in Maryland, which it isn't.
She lives in New York.

Speaker 15 She's the New York State Attorney General, but she said it was her primary mortgage because you can get, the allegation is, you can get a more favorable interest rate or mortgage rate if it's your primary residence.

Speaker 15 And the allegation is she lied in order to do that, which is mortgage fraud. Her defense is it was a mistake.
Virginia, Virginia, I keep

Speaker 15 Maryland and Virginia. Her defense is it was an honest mistake, and I had disclosed to the mortgage broker two weeks earlier that it was not going to be my primary residence.

Speaker 15 That's one of her problems.

Speaker 15 Another of her problems, and by the way, this is not the complete list because she's also getting investigated for abusing the system in going after Donald Trump's business.

Speaker 15 That's a separate inquiry by the DOJ. But before we get there, we've got the inquiry into whether, in getting this house in Brooklyn and a mortgage on that one, she lied

Speaker 15 and said that this building has four units because the truth is, we are told, it has five units. It's a five-unit dwelling.

Speaker 15 And she is accused of buying this property, 296 Lafayette Avenue, and misrepresenting it again on her mortgage applications as having only four units, not five, which allowed her to qualify for loans with better interest rates and lower down payments.

Speaker 15 So Ed Martin, the DOJ's Ed Martin, goes out there and kicks the tires on her home. Do we have that video?

Speaker 15 I thought I saw that here on our list.

Speaker 15 Yes, here it is.

Speaker 15 You tell me why you're here.

Speaker 15 You're interested in the houses. You're not interested in the houses.
You know who lives here. Is this like Second Empire?

Speaker 15 It's just a track house. That's all.

Speaker 15 I know, but when was it built?

Speaker 15 They were built before the 1899.

Speaker 16 Oh, so, okay.

Speaker 15 Why are you being so disingenuous about what you're here for?

Speaker 15 What business is it of yours, nosy neighbor?

Speaker 15 I have a right to know what you guys work for. No, you don't.

Speaker 15 I'm just happy to be on a block looking at a house.

Speaker 11 That's not true.

Speaker 15 Why won't you be honest? No, you're just happy.

Speaker 15 Why won't you be honest with me about what you're doing? You are actually

Speaker 15 on my blog in front of my

Speaker 15 trust. And you're not telling me what you're doing.
That's not

Speaker 15 I don't answer to you.

Speaker 15 Bad die job lady.

Speaker 15 What? Say again?

Speaker 16 Can you imagine what she was like during COVID? I mean, she was probably walking around the supermarket, you know, did you touch that cantaloupe?

Speaker 15 Yeah.

Speaker 16 Why are you wearing gloves?

Speaker 16 So many Americans learned to be junior detectives and cops in the last few years, and now they are underemployed.

Speaker 15 Ed Martin needed to give her the line my mom used to give me when I was little, which was, stop crying or I'll give you something to cry about. You're next.
Shut up or you're next, lady.

Speaker 16 Mind your own beeswax was my mom's turn.

Speaker 15 I don't answer to you, you Cretan. Shut up.
Leave me alone. I'm Ed fucking Martin.
I'm here to investigate the Attorney General, but it's none of your damn business.

Speaker 15 Go read the New York Post like everyone else. He's a little Tish James defender out there trying to like cross-examine Ed Martin.
Okay, sister, you're a real tough guy.

Speaker 15 Having said all that, I do appreciate the questions because, you know, I also want to know the answers.

Speaker 16 I thought they showed endless good humor with her. I mean, she was, she was pushing it.
She wanted them to lose their temper and there was somebody filming.

Speaker 16 Remember, you always forget whenever you see something that, like that, that means there's somebody that you're not seeing holding up a camera.

Speaker 16 And she was performing for that person and trying to get their goat and they weren't buying it.

Speaker 15 And she wound up on the Megan Kelly show, so good for her. But do we think that we will likely see

Speaker 15 indictments?

Speaker 15 Because grand juries right now in Virginia and Maryland, the two jurisdictions where she conducted this nonsense and maybe Brooklyn as well, I don't know, are currently weighing criminal indictments for James and Schiff, respectively, over the allegations, because he too is, he's accused in Maryland of doing something similar, declaring the Maryland home his primary residence when it wasn't.

Speaker 15 He lived in California. So, both of these two got second homes, said that they were primary mortgages, and are under investigation right now.
Do you think we are likely to see indictments?

Speaker 16 Yes, I do, because the supposed

Speaker 16 felon, Donald Trump,

Speaker 16 the 34-time convicted felon, was convicted for a

Speaker 16 process

Speaker 16 crime, a documentary crime,

Speaker 16 misfiling his payoff to Stormy Daniels.

Speaker 16 In other words, it was a paperwork crime. And these are paperwork crimes,

Speaker 16 which actually are a little bit more in the fraudulent sense because they save money for the people.

Speaker 16 And it isn't just an attempt to look good or whatever Donald Trump was doing.

Speaker 16 And so why not? I mean,

Speaker 16 game theory suggests that if you play tit for tat,

Speaker 16 you stay even. Why let them get ahead of this process?

Speaker 16 You know, why not make them 34-time convicted felons, too?

Speaker 16 If that's the way it's going to be, that's the way it's going to be.

Speaker 15 Fair rules. Here's Ed Martin himself on Sunday Morning Futures on Fox speaking to the visit that he paid to Tish James' home, SOT 24.

Speaker 15 Well, you went to Letitia James' home this week. You were in New York.

Speaker 32 Yeah, look, I'm a prosecutor, and when I do these cases, I was in New York for Newark, actually, New Jersey, for some meetings, and I went over to New York for another meeting, and I went by there.

Speaker 32 One of the referrals is about that property that she has.

Speaker 26 It's a very prominent neighborhood in Brooklyn, and I wanted to lay eyes on it.

Speaker 32 I think most people, if you know, if you're prosecuting something, you're careful.

Speaker 26 I didn't go there and announce it.

Speaker 33 Some woman came storming up and shooting video and talking to me.

Speaker 32 But I wanted to see the property. And there's a number of other aspects of these cases where you got to get a sense of what is actually at stake.

Speaker 15 Do you have a grand jury in these cases?

Speaker 32 Let me say when you get a criminal referral, one of the tools you have is a grand jury. And I'll leave it to you to infer what I mean.

Speaker 15 So yes.

Speaker 16 Yeah, the answer is yes. I mean, they portray everything Donald Trump does as revenge, but doing it second doesn't mean you're taking revenge.
It just means you're evening the scales.

Speaker 16 I doubt she would be in this situation, okay, if she had not prosecuted him in the way she did. At the same time, our politics is going to either settle down or it's going to get really petty.

Speaker 16 And it's going to get really petty for a while before it settles down, is my prediction.

Speaker 15 Okay, there was another visit to one of Tish James's homes. This one was paid by the Daily Caller to the home she has in Virginia.
So it's like, I can't keep track of all her homes.

Speaker 15 This is New York City, New York State's public servant, by the way. She's got the home in Brooklyn, which she said was a four-unit dwelling, which is really a five-unit dwelling.

Speaker 15 Then she's got the home in,

Speaker 15 again, Virginia. And that one she said was her primary residence, but it's not her primary residence because she lives in New York.

Speaker 15 So presumably that's a third home because I don't think she lives in that Brooklyn home.

Speaker 15 And here's what happened when the Daily Caller, when this story first broke, went out to take a look at that home down south.

Speaker 34 Hi there, I'm a reporter with the Daily Caller, New Zealand.

Speaker 34 I understand.

Speaker 25 We mean no trouble.

Speaker 34 We're just curious who the occupants of the home are because there's nothing about whose occupants.

Speaker 15 That's none of your business.

Speaker 34 Well,

Speaker 15 there are connections to

Speaker 34 New York Attorney General Letitia James.

Speaker 34 Are you related to Letitia James?

Speaker 7 Do you know her?

Speaker 15 You're trespassing. Go into the house.

Speaker 22 Do you know Letitia James? Okay.

Speaker 19 No comment. Thank you, ma'am.

Speaker 19 Thank you, ma'am. Thank you, ma'am.

Speaker 6 You have a good one.

Speaker 34 Do you well?

Speaker 34 Hello there, ma'am. No comment, you're trespassing.
No comment? Yeah, you're trespassing.

Speaker 15 Okay, well, who lives here?

Speaker 15 Who lives here, ma'am?

Speaker 34 No comment. No comment.

Speaker 34 Okay.

Speaker 15 So that was the Daily Caller trying to figure out whether Tish James lives in either of these properties that could be her primary residence.

Speaker 15 At the first property, they found, well, at both, they found that James does not appear to be even a resident of either home, much less have it be her primary residence.

Speaker 15 One neighbor of the first property they went to told Daily Caller that he believes a black woman and children inhabit the home, which had had a basketball hoop in the driveway, but did not recognize Tish James when shown a photo.

Speaker 15 A second neighbor commented only to say that it's not the lady from New York. So she's not, it's not Tish James living there.

Speaker 15 At the second property, none of the residents of the neighboring homes knew much about the inhabitants, but it doesn't seem like anybody recognized Chish James.

Speaker 15 I'm sorry, Walter, but like if you are going to be placed in a position like Tish James has as Attorney General of the United States, by the way, Sam Rules for James Comey, and you wield that power in a way where you are satisfying your own personal or political vendettas.

Speaker 15 You deserve every ounce of pain you get once those enemies themselves are empowered.

Speaker 15 And it's not that crimes can be made up, but unless your business is squeaky clean, you're going to get it and you're going to deserve it.

Speaker 16 She's a lawyer. She's not only a lawyer, she's a lawyer for the public.
You know, she's an officer of the court and she's a representative of the people. And she's playing it this way.

Speaker 16 She has

Speaker 16 extra responsibility. She has a duty to be worthy of those offices.
And

Speaker 16 she's a bad landlord, too. Did you see that yellow house?

Speaker 16 That thing needs a coat of paint. I mean, I would be embarrassed to own that house if I was the landlord and be renting it.

Speaker 15 Oh my gosh.

Speaker 15 She's got other attentions, like Donald Trump. That's what she's worried about.
That's why she salivates when she looks at 40 Wall Street. Oh, I can't wait until I seize it.

Speaker 15 That'll be another place where I can commit another mortgage fraud. She denies it all and demands proof.

Speaker 15 President Trump just met with President Zelensky, meaning, you know, glad-handed, as he arrived. Here's a bit of that.

Speaker 15 Shaking hands.

Speaker 15 He has a suit on the South Leaders hand appear today.

Speaker 34 We love them.

Speaker 15 We love Zapisters.

Speaker 34 Thank you very much, everybody.

Speaker 15 President Zelensky wearing a turtleneck with a suit coat. So that's an improvement off of the last go-round, I think.

Speaker 15 And standing next to President Donald Trump, who is kind kind of nice to the reporters, screaming out questions to him there about Russian President Vladimir Putin, not answering, but seemed to be in a good mood and said, We love them about the world leaders from Europe who are attending for today's meeting.

Speaker 15 Now, all the drama will happen inside, and we will keep our eyes on that just to make sure it doesn't go off the rails as it did the last time.

Speaker 15 Okay, let's keep going because there's other stuff happening. Gloria Gaynor,

Speaker 15 I will survive, is one of the people people nominated by Donald Trump for a Kennedy Center Award, a lifetime achievement award. And that's nice.
Everybody knows that song.

Speaker 15 Literally everybody in the world knows that song. It's been celebrated for decades.
And so good for her.

Speaker 15 That's not exactly how the left is reacting. Here is the Atlanta Journal of Constitution's Tia Mitchell and her thoughts on this award, SAT 33.

Speaker 35 I do believe as much as the Trump administration has attacked DEI, I think they wanted a person of color on the list of Kennedy Center honorees.

Speaker 35 And to me, the fact that

Speaker 35 Gloria Gaynor is the one person of color on the list indicates that they struggled to find a person of color who would agree to be on the list because she doesn't have a huge body of work, which is what the Kennedy Center usually picks: people who are icons in their genre of

Speaker 35 the arts. and she's basically a one-hit wonder.

Speaker 15 Okay, Anna Navarro, too, urges Gloria Gaynor to reject the honor, saying she's a goddess and deserves all the flowers that come her way.

Speaker 15 But I wish she wouldn't accept an award from the hands of a man who has attacked the rights and history of women, people of color, and LGBTQ.

Speaker 15 The gay community in particular helped turn her signature song into an anthem. Trump is a stain on the prestige and significance of the Kennedy Center honors.
Don't do it, Gloria.

Speaker 15 So now there's pressure. This is a new era.
Pressure on the awards nominees in the Trump era to reject the honors that they're being offered because Trump's evil.

Speaker 15 And now they're against what they perceive as DEI.

Speaker 16 Oh, well, you know, they want to have it both ways. They make all the rules, don't they? You know, they tell you

Speaker 16 when you can receive an honor and when you must, and they tell you when you shouldn't and when you mustn't. And they do it from on high, and they do it to people who've worked hard all their lives.

Speaker 16 And the answer to that for any self-respecting artist should be. F you, go away.
I mean,

Speaker 16 the first thing they notice about her is her race, right?

Speaker 16 At the same time,

Speaker 16 they want to say that she's a token, basically. That's what they're saying.
She's a token.

Speaker 16 You can't have it both ways.

Speaker 16 Yet they always want it both ways. And

Speaker 16 first of all, also, Sylvester Stallone,

Speaker 16 we know he was going to get one. You know,

Speaker 16 who are the other people there?

Speaker 16 Kiss.

Speaker 16 Now, that was the one I was told a little odd about.

Speaker 15 What do you mean? They totally deserve it.

Speaker 16 Well, I mean, yeah, but the KISS is a bit of a novelty band, too. I mean, they're not, you know, they're not.

Speaker 15 But that's another one everybody knows. Literally everybody on Earth.
Like, they revolutionized the genre in some ways. Nobody was looking like that or acting like that.

Speaker 15 You say Kiss in the context of rock, everybody has an image in their head. They really are iconic.

Speaker 16 My point is this. That commentator,

Speaker 16 she derogated Gloria gaynor she gloria gaynor the only black person on that list was also the one who was unqualified that person said

Speaker 16 why did she go after why didn't she go after anybody else um

Speaker 16 you know

Speaker 16 that's a horrible reality of these racist commissars or these anti-racist commissars is that they will tell you when you're an uncle sam and they will tell you when you're a shining light and they determine it and you're not an individual and they don't let her be one.

Speaker 16 She has to be suddenly a representative of everybody and she can't just be Gloria Gaynor singer.

Speaker 15 That's so true. It's so true.
And it's, I don't know Gloria Gaynor's politics at all. I know Sly Stallone leans right.
I think Gene Simmons does too, of KISS.

Speaker 15 So I don't, maybe Trump did have some sort of a, hey, let's see what conservatives have been ignored.

Speaker 15 by the Kennedy Center for decades and see if we can right some of those wrongs, like elevate some of our people who have been completely rejected by the leftists who've been running this thing since its inception.

Speaker 15 What's wrong with that? That's awesome. He should do that.

Speaker 15 There are so many amazing conservative filmmakers and songwriters and performance artists and so on up and down the line who will never be honored. under the old system.

Speaker 15 Because as we saw from all the firings he did, it was a bunch of progressives who only believe in honoring their side. You know, it's like Bruce Springsteen back to the Kennedy Center.

Speaker 15 Oh, sure, what a shock. So why not? I don't know what her politics are, but she must have done something that Trump agreed with.

Speaker 15 These people are the ones who left right to it's their skin color because they see everybody through that lens. They can't imagine that Gloria Gaynor, you know, Trump's got his playlists.

Speaker 15 He feels very strongly about music. She's probably on it, to be honest.
And he's probably like, get Gloria. I love her.

Speaker 16 I think Trump knows more about Gloria Gaynor than James Comey does about Taylor Swift, probably.

Speaker 16 And I think he he loves the sentiment of, I will survive. That's secretly why I think he might have chosen it.

Speaker 16 Here's a guy who survived an assassination attempt, who's been through everything. And she sings the anthem of getting through tough things.
And frankly, suddenly what?

Speaker 16 It's a demerit that she was a hero to the gay community. That should be a wonderful thing.

Speaker 15 She owes it to them now to reject this honor that's being paid to her.

Speaker 15 Otherwise, and you mark my words, if she doesn't, I don't think she's commented on this yet, but if she doesn't reject it, she's going to be out. There's going to be leftist pushback.
How dare you?

Speaker 15 How could you?

Speaker 15 Same as we've seen like some football players and other athletes who go to the White House, some of them get blowback, like it was a betrayal of them to accept this honor of shaking hands with the president.

Speaker 16 You know, the guy can't win. If she shakes hands with Putin, he's giving him too much credit.
If he shakes hand with Gloria Gaynor,

Speaker 16 she's a traitor for letting him shake her hand.

Speaker 16 You know, these culture police want to look at every move that's made before the cameras and before the American audience, and they want to award tickets and

Speaker 16 they want to discipline it, and they want to be in control.

Speaker 16 And one of the reasons there is a Donald Trump is this ridiculous, overbearing, condescending arrogance about who can do what, who can go where, who can be liked by whom. And we're tired of it.

Speaker 15 And you know, by the way, the creators of Hamilton, they got a Kennedy Center award in the year that they created Hamilton.

Speaker 15 Now, yes, it was a Smash Broadway hit, but a lot more people know, I will survive, than know, Alexander Hamilton. No, no, no, no, no, no.
Like, I'm sorry.

Speaker 15 But the relative scale of success favors Gloria Gaynor.

Speaker 15 But nobody was complaining when Hamilton got awarded by the Kennedy Center honors because that was a play that made all the founding fathers black and Hispanic, and had them sing about, you know, the creation of our foundational documents.

Speaker 15 So that was okay because it was elevating minorities.

Speaker 15 But if you're a minority who elevates herself just with great talent and a great song, then that's not okay because it's an evil orange man who's honoring you.

Speaker 15 I'm like, trying to keep up with the rules. Minorities can be honored for honoring other minorities as long as it's a white president named Biden or maybe Trump.

Speaker 15 I guess Trump was the president in 2018. Was he being racist then? Like, no, wait, Trump wasn't in charge of the Kennedy Center in 2018.
He still let the Libs have it.

Speaker 15 So I guess we were still playing under their rules. It's very hard to keep up, Walter.
If you are an artist who would like to accept a Kennedy Center award, how do you do the calculation?

Speaker 15 What is the math?

Speaker 16 Well, you first call up NSNBC and say, can you arrange a panel and determine whether or not I should be able to get this award or not?

Speaker 15 What does Anna Navarro think?

Speaker 16 Yeah, I'll be sitting here down in the slave cabin waiting for the master of the plantation to tell me whether I can go up to the house or not.

Speaker 15 That's right. I mean,

Speaker 16 also, one thing I know about music, some of the greatest popular musicians have no hits.

Speaker 16 Gloria Gaynor, whose work I'm afraid I don't know that well, could for all I know be one of the most inventive and dynamic popular musicians of our time.

Speaker 16 Just because somebody knows her for one hit does not mean she hasn't had a wonderful, deep, and meaningful career. And so

Speaker 16 for those people to simply slag her off as a one-hit wonder like that is, I think,

Speaker 16 deeply insulting and arrogant on their part.

Speaker 15 It's amazing.

Speaker 15 It's like if Megan Kelly looked at the Kennedy Center honorees under a Joe Biden presidency, presidency, or really at any point prior to Trump taking it over, and said, that person's only there because of DEI.

Speaker 15 They'd say that's racist, but they can say it when it's a Trump nominee because it's just factual. No, that's just obvious.
Trump would never nominate a black woman for her talent.

Speaker 15 That's really what they're saying. And they get away with it.
It's fine. Like, of course, right, Gloria Gaynor can't possibly be there for her talent.
It's because Trump is secretly doing DEI.

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Speaker 15 Walter getting a little color from inside the White House as Zelensky and European leaders meet with President Trump. Peter Ducey firing off a question to Donald Trump about

Speaker 15 what if it goes a certain way. Listen here.

Speaker 19 Is this the end of the road for American support for Ukraine? Is today's meeting deal or no deal?

Speaker 21 I can never say that. It's never the end of the road.
People are being killed and we want to stop that. So I would not say it's the end of the road.
No, I think we have a good chance of doing it.

Speaker 15 Okay, so that's

Speaker 15 good. That's classic Trump, too, right? Like, it's never the end.
Like, I'll decide when it's over.

Speaker 15 Then there was a funny moment where at the last meeting in February, a reporter for Real America's Voice, Brian Glenn, gave Zelensky a hard time about not wearing a suit.

Speaker 15 Well, he was there again today, and as I mentioned, Zelensky is wearing close to a suit. And the following exchange took place between those two men, same two men.

Speaker 15 First of all, Mr.

Speaker 16 President Zelensky, you look fabulous in that suit. I said the same thing.

Speaker 24 Yeah, look, you look good.

Speaker 21 I said the same thing.

Speaker 22 Yeah,

Speaker 22 I said someone that attacked you last time. See, that was an awful lot of people.
I remember that.

Speaker 16 I apologize to you.

Speaker 15 You look wonderful.

Speaker 16 No, my first question for you, President Zelensky. In the same suit.

Speaker 15 You see, I changed the eyes.

Speaker 15 Maybe yours is inside of mine.

Speaker 15 That was funny.

Speaker 15 Zelensky says, you're in the same suit. I changed, but you didn't.
That's good. This is getting off on a better note, Walter, than the last time, right? Like

Speaker 15 he's giving some jazz out to the reporters, and Trump seems in a good mood. I feel better.

Speaker 16 Right.

Speaker 16 Maybe Hillary Clinton will have to make that nomination. I mean, she did put too many conditions on it for it to ever be real, but

Speaker 16 America should be

Speaker 16 delighted should be delighted that this is the mood. It doesn't look like a grim,

Speaker 16 let's go on with the war mood. They look like they maybe have a little bit of light at the end of the tunnel.
And I think we will all be relieved if that's true.

Speaker 16 I think this has been a weight on us unconsciously and consciously and financially that we haven't properly reflected on because it came right on the heels of COVID, this Ukraine war.

Speaker 16 You know, I mean, in some ways it maybe replaced COVID

Speaker 16 and we were tossed into it. And I want it off my shoulders as an American.
I want this fear for my children off my shoulders. I want this financial weight.

Speaker 16 I want to start thinking about the future again, not paying past due bills.

Speaker 15 Yeah, amen.

Speaker 15 Okay, so this is the thing I teased before the break.

Speaker 15 Speaking of the left and their wacky views on race, there's this show called Surrounded where you can go and you can choose the premise that you want to debate and they will surround you with critics who get to like sit in the chair and debate you on various points.

Speaker 15 They've asked me to go on there. I said no, because to be honest, like I'm just too open-minded.
That's genuinely how I am.

Speaker 15 If somebody gives me like a good idea that I think is it, I'll be like, like, that's a great point. Yes, maybe I was wrong.

Speaker 15 It's not my thing to just like hold on to my positions and fire blast anybody who feels differently. In any event,

Speaker 15 they brought on this woman, Amanda Seals.

Speaker 15 This is a woman who is extremely woke. She's got her master's degree from Columbia.
She's an actress comedian. She had shows on Nickelodeon, MTV2, HBO.
She had her own stand-up comedy special on HBO.

Speaker 15 And she is very woke. And all you need to do is take a listen to her to figure that out.

Speaker 15 So, the topic for the first part of the show was: it is undeniable, this is her position, that reparations are just and necessary. Did I mention she's a black woman? She's a black woman.

Speaker 15 And everyone in the audience, I believe, are black conservatives.

Speaker 15 So it was a thing of beauty because

Speaker 15 woman after man after woman sat down across from this woman, Amanda Seals, and unleashed cans of reality on her.

Speaker 15 And she did not know what hit her because liberals never debate outside of their circles. Like they just, they never have their ideas challenged.

Speaker 15 And yet this woman did, to her credit, she went on the show. And here's a sampling of how that went, South 34.

Speaker 37 You can give everyone here like a $50,000 check, especially people that are in the streets who are committing violent crimes consistently, a $50,000 check. It's not going to fix anything.

Speaker 37 It's not going to to increase the median household income in the next 10 years by 10% or 20%. For example, we had the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882.

Speaker 37 We prevented Chinese people from getting citizenship and even entering the country. We discriminated against them and basically put them under apartheid, even here in the United States.

Speaker 37 Yet they have the highest median household income. How is that possible?

Speaker 37 I think the only racism we've actually seen recently, systemic racism that we've seen, is the application of systemic racism against white people.

Speaker 37 The University of Western Washington, for example, has been trying to segregate dormitories using black-only dormitories because black people feel safer amongst each other.

Speaker 37 But they're more likely to kill each other than white people are ever to kill them. That's just the truth.
You have King Vaughan rapping about killing other black men.

Speaker 37 Why should I think that the white man is the oppressor when black men are more likely to kill me?

Speaker 15 Oh my God. Oh my God, this is scary.
You need to think about me as y'all mama. Do not talk to me in that fashion.
So let's check that now. Okay.
Okay, so...

Speaker 15 On a basic level, we have to understand that systemic racism is grounded in the realities that black people have not been considered an equal human being in this country since its onset.

Speaker 15 So there's simply no way to make the argument that there isn't systemic racism. And we have seen in very clear ways the system operate in an organically racist way.
Do not cut me off.

Speaker 15 Okay. That she's just living up to so many tropes there.
Like, ha ha ha, laughing at him like she's blowing him off, like he's a laughable character.

Speaker 15 You're scary. Like you're so misinformed.
Everything he said was right. But

Speaker 15 you're so misinformed, you're scary. You need to think of me like your mama.
And like the respect I command is basically what she was saying.

Speaker 15 And then we are a systemically racist country because we have been from the beginning. We haven't been equals from the onset.
Okay, so we're not equals today.

Speaker 15 And a lot of the black conservatives there were like, you know, we have, we have a black president. So another guy goes, we had a black vice president.
I think she was black.

Speaker 15 Anyway, but this, these guys, these young people, guys and gals, Walter, were not having it.

Speaker 16 Can you imagine if I said to someone who was arguing with me, you got to treat me like

Speaker 16 I'm your daddy? What?

Speaker 16 I mean, she lost it right there. And also,

Speaker 16 it's not a debate if you hold that your side is self-evident, that it can't even be argued. How dare you dispute me? How, you know, how dare you

Speaker 16 have another point of view? That kid was impressive.

Speaker 16 I feel like every day of my life is surrounded, frankly.

Speaker 16 I don't go on shows like surrounded because if I go on Bill Maher, it's like being on surrounded. If I walk out to the Starbucks, it's like being on surrounded.

Speaker 16 But it's guys like that who have thought through their positions, who are taking endless hell because they are black and a conservative, who have to work out their debating points to a level that almost no one else has to.

Speaker 16 And

Speaker 16 my hat is off to him because even though he was in the more aggressive mode because of the layout of that show, he spends most of his day surrounded.

Speaker 15 Yes. All right.
Here's another one.

Speaker 15 This is 37. Watch this.
A different, I think this is a different young man. Can't remember.

Speaker 16 Watch.

Speaker 15 The black culture is a different guy. We have produced a culture that is toxic and let's not let's get on the fact that there's no father so white culture let's get let's get let's say

Speaker 15 let's talk about that this none of this is gonna work if y'all are just gonna sit here and make up we have it's not gonna work no it's a bit you're having in fact you're you're you are literally emotional liberalism i am not putting off emotional liberalism you're putting off unfounded lies based on conservatives information remember they're disinformation

Speaker 15 i don't know if i'm gonna laugh we're selling our own

Speaker 15 i don't know if i'm gonna laugh You're probably going to last with me. I won't because your ignorance is so over.

Speaker 15 That's liberals. Y'all start name-calling when you're getting it.

Speaker 15 You won't have an argument because you keep cutting me off.

Speaker 15 So interesting. Now, he was going to the place you are not allowed to go, saying

Speaker 15 there's something in black culture that's toxic that's leading to bad results. And we have to get honest about it.
It has to do with fathers not being in the home.

Speaker 15 And I can't remember if it was this gentleman because I watched most of it

Speaker 15 or another one who was raising like what happened with Asians.

Speaker 15 They were immigrants too, but they have a different approach toward education and, you know, work ethic, and they've done very well in this country that they've adopted.

Speaker 15 And she was like, you cannot compare the Asians to the blacks who were slaves. And basically kind of acknowledging with a wink and a nod, somehow they're under some, you know, some

Speaker 15 challenge that nobody else is under from which they cannot escape. That's what she would argue.
And those around her were saying, yes, we absolutely can. But once again, you're making up shit.

Speaker 15 And he was ready for it, right? With you're basically an emotional liberal, bringing up emotional liberalism as a defense. And all she could do was just say, wrong, wrong, wrong, unfounded.

Speaker 16 Yeah,

Speaker 16 whatever false sense of confidence caused her to go on surrounded was completely exposed there. I mean, she has nothing as a debater.
She has nothing as a proponent of her side.

Speaker 16 And it's good to see the Maoism turned on its head and the struggle sessions go the other way every once in a while.

Speaker 15 It was amazing. These kids were citing Thomas Sowell and so many others who like finally their ideas are getting heard and that's all that's required.

Speaker 15 You listen to Thomas Sowell, you believe in Thomas Sowell. You listen to Shelby Steele, you believe in him.

Speaker 15 And it's happening. I was really encouraged, encourage everybody to go and watch the whole thing.
Walter, thank you, my friend. Great to see you.
Thank you. Thank you.

Speaker 15 We're back tomorrow for the first time ever with Marjorie Taylor Greene. Looking forward to that.

Speaker 15 Thanks for listening to The Megan Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

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