DOJ Employee Throws Sandwich at Fed Officer, and New Info About Clinton Investigation, with Stu Burguiere and John Solomon

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Hunter Biden is in a face-off with the First Lady of the United States, Melania Trump.

Speaker 17 She is demanding that he apologize for saying that it was Jeffrey Epstein who introduced her to Donald Trump and

Speaker 17 suggesting she's going to sue him if he doesn't back down on that claim that he made in that very public YouTube interview with the show that calls itself Channel 5, I think, or Channel 4, whatever it's channel.

Speaker 17 And Hunter Biden's refusing.

Speaker 17 So we could see very soon a lawsuit by Melania Trump against Hunter Biden. We'll show you exactly what he said and then what he said in response to her legal threat.

Speaker 17 Also, there was a big arrest in D.C. amid President Trump's crime crackdown involving a subway sandwich.
And according to A.G.

Speaker 17 Pambondi, the man who threw that sandwich at a cop worked at her Department of Justice. She says he's now been fired.

Speaker 17 We'll show you the tape and Judge Janine's comments because she's the prosecutor who's going to have to handle this in response.

Speaker 17 And we'll get to what's going to happen to this guy who apparently worked at the Department of Justice. This is unbelievable.

Speaker 17 I mean, this is Pam Bondi saying this is what we're up against, trying to clean up departments like this. Stuberger will be here in a moment to break it all down.

Speaker 17 But we are starting today with another stunning revelation about Barack Obama's Justice Department and FBI. Can I just tell you something? I want you to listen to the story today.

Speaker 17 Okay, we're going to go through this with John Sullivan. I want you to go through the story, listening and remembering all the reporting we've done here on the show that you guys were with us for on

Speaker 19 the IRS

Speaker 17 and how their investigation into Hunter Biden was slow-rolled to the point that most of the statutes of limitation expired. Remember, we found that out from those two whistleblowers.

Speaker 17 It was, I think, two years ago. I was down here at the Jersey Shore, and we were talking to those two whistleblowers who gave us their first interview and told us all about how the DOJ

Speaker 17 had slow-rolled their investigation to the point where

Speaker 17 they all expired the statutes of limitation against Hunter Biden for his tax evasion and his sketchy scheme overseas, taking all this money from Burisma and Ukraine and elsewhere. Well, guess what?

Speaker 17 What Solomon is revealing today is the same story, different players.

Speaker 17 He's reporting now that the FBI director Cash Patel has just uncovered a memo that appears to show top DOJ and FBI officials obstructing an investigation into allegations of corruption against Bill and Hillary Clinton's family foundation, known as the Clinton Foundation.

Speaker 17 That back in 15 and 2016,

Speaker 17 the FBI was actually

Speaker 17 interested in the Peter Schweitzer book, Clinton Cash, and actually said, you know what, there's something there there. And we better start looking into it.

Speaker 17 And had no less than three different field agents, agencies, part of the FBI, looking into it. But they got shut down by Andrew McCabe, deputy director of the FBI under Obama,

Speaker 17 and Sally Yates, deputy AG

Speaker 17 under Loretta Lynch, Obama's top people at DOJ and FBI,

Speaker 17 said no,

Speaker 17 no, it's Hillary Clinton. We're not doing that.
We're not doing that. Same way they said, no, no, it's Hillary Clinton.

Speaker 17 We're not doing that when it comes to investigating or seeing through the investigation on her homebrew server and the email scandal.

Speaker 17 Remember, we've been talking about the documents that showed Loretta Lynch allegedly saying she would make sure it didn't go too far.

Speaker 17 So, Hillary Clinton twice protected, according to these documents, for her utter corruption, her criminal corruption. That's how it looks in these papers.
Meanwhile, Donald Trump gets indicted twice,

Speaker 17 twice, by Joe Biden's DOJ, special

Speaker 17 counsel Jack Smith, for allegedly having classified documents at Mar-a-Lago that he as president had the right to have

Speaker 17 and for

Speaker 17 the January 6th nonsense on the Capitol. Okay, he gets indicted twice.
They rushed to throw the legal system at Donald Trump.

Speaker 17 And with Hillary Clinton, time and time again, just like with Hunter Biden, those in power work together to protect their favorite Democrats. It's disgusting.

Speaker 17 And now we're really getting the details of a general foundational story we did know.

Speaker 17 But as with so many of these reveals lately, we're getting names, we're getting specific titles, and we're finding out exactly who

Speaker 17 was standing in the way of the wheels of justice turning against a Dem. Former President Obama's Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates is even quoted in the Solomon release now as saying, shut it down.

Speaker 17 Sally Yates is a name we've heard many times over the years. She's a party loyalist.
She's been painted by the left as some sort of a heroine for standing up against Donald Trump.

Speaker 17 She's a partisan hack, and I'm embarrassed. She shares my son's name.

Speaker 17 Here to explain it now, John Solomon, the founder of Just the News.

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Speaker 20 John, welcome back.

Speaker 21 Yeah, good to be with you, Megan. You laid it out perfectly.
That's the dual system of justice we just lived under for the last 10 years.

Speaker 17 It's shocking. So take us through the latest reveal.

Speaker 21 So people I think will become more familiar over the next few weeks as we continue to dig through what we now know and what we're about to learn, that March of 2016 is a moment of great peril for the Democratic Party.

Speaker 21 Donald Trump's essentially secured the nomination. They have a populist that looks like the Brexit movement in America, and they're mortified.

Speaker 21 Hillary Clinton is still trying to crank down her email scandal. And the Justice Department now knows two things have happened simultaneously.

Speaker 21 One, that three separate FBI offices, New York, Little Rock, and Washington Field Office, so two powerhouses and then Little Rock, have all predicated investigations looking at pay-to-play allegations against Hillary Clinton.

Speaker 21 Some of that predication was based on Peter Schweitzer's great book, Clinton Cash. Some of that predication was based on a couple of stories I wrote back in 2015 for the Washington Times.

Speaker 21 And so they have a confidential human source in one of those cases. They have multiple documents.
They have some video and audio footage.

Speaker 21 And they believe they have a true predicated investigation looking at criminal pay-to-play. Basically, you pay the foundation, you get something from Hillary Critton, as Secretary of State.

Speaker 21 It's a mortal threat, way more mortal than the complicated email scandal, which you can always blame on negligence.

Speaker 21 And at the same time, that's happening, it's very important to remember, and I'm going to show people these emails soon. These are emails that the Justice Department's had for a long time.

Speaker 21 Hunter Biden's emails and his

Speaker 21 records of his business partners have been subpoenaed. And Hunter Biden and his lawyers are panicked.
They're going to discover that Hunter Biden was welching on his taxes.

Speaker 21 He was not paying taxes on barisma, the money he had gotten in Ukraine. So I want to set that stage because March of 16 is a moment of calamity.

Speaker 21 March through May, there are multiple Democratic scandals that potentially put Donald Trump in a much better position to win the nomination because the Democratic Party is going to look like the party of corruption.

Speaker 21 And it's in that moment that Sally Yates steps into the void and says, shut it down. And think about this.
Donald Trump's on the campaign trial

Speaker 21 chanting, lock her up. It turns out the FBI has some evidence that might lock her up if they can get through the official prosecution.

Speaker 21 And the answer back from Barack Obama's Justice Department is shut it down. They form a protection racket around Hillary Clinton.

Speaker 21 And as we know from the IRS whistleblowers, eventually a protection racket around Hunter Biden. And then they pivot and they start to legitimize a false investigation against Donald Trump.

Speaker 21 That is the spring and summer of 2016. And there are just some remarkable dates that we all need to remember because they are going to be seminal to the conspiracy.
The first is January 6th.

Speaker 21 2016, four years, or excuse me,

Speaker 21 January 6th, 2017, four years before the January 6th that Democrats like to talk about.

Speaker 21 It's on that day that the Intelligence Committee assessment is released, and it's the day before when Sally Yates is in a meeting with the president and the vice president, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, concocting how they can keep pursuing

Speaker 21 former National Security Advisor Mike Flynn when the FBI has just cleared him of any criminal wrongdoing.

Speaker 21 It is that January 5th and 6th that create the distrust that ultimately boils over on January 6th, 2021.

Speaker 21 And then on July July 5th, 2016, the day that James Comey walks out and waves a magic wand without the legal authority to do so, and clears Hillary Clinton in the email scandal,

Speaker 21 that same day, Christopher Steele walks into the FBI with information that ultimately becomes the Steele dossier. Those two dates are not just symbolic.
They are meaningful dates in the conspiracy.

Speaker 21 And in between those two dates, the FBI is pressing to open up a very serious criminal investigation, and that's when the Obama Justice Department decides we're going to shut it down.

Speaker 17 So this would have been James Comey at the top of that FBI, whose three field offices were looking into Hillary Clinton. So, I mean,

Speaker 17 he presumably knew about it, and I guess at this point, was okay with it because according to this report, he was not the one to shut it down.

Speaker 17 It was his boss, Sally Yates, is effectively over him as the deputy attorney general.

Speaker 21 Yeah, let's keep in mind how these two departments work. The dirty work always falls down to the deputy, right? You never have the attorney general put her hands on it.

Speaker 21 You never have the FBI director, with rare exception, Comey, actually violated that role.

Speaker 21 But that's what deputies exist for in these departments, to carry out the will of the boss and to have their fingerprints on the decision. So it's not an accident that it's Sally Yates and

Speaker 21 the deputy director at the time, Andy Andrew McCabe, that are doing this. There's no chance, zero chance, that the Attorney General and FBI director don't know of something this high.

Speaker 21 These are what are called politically sensitive investigations.

Speaker 21 The director always gets, as does the attorney general, they get advised when there's a politically sensitive figure who's now under criminal investigation. Now, we got to go get that evidence still.

Speaker 21 That's part of the paper trail. But the deputies are simply carrying out the duties, but there's very little chance that the principals don't already know.

Speaker 17 Okay, so we don't, we're not ready to give James Comey any credit whatsoever for the three field offices digging into Hillary Clinton. More than likely, he was in on the plan to kill it.

Speaker 17 We don't have the evidence of it yet. We're just supposing at this point.
But we do have the evidence that Sally Yates killed it.

Speaker 17 And the report seems to suggest, because this is a memo, this is a memo, John, that was written by a DOJ lawyer. And

Speaker 17 this lawyer seems to be whistleblowing on exactly how this went down, saying like the FBI was looking into this and Sally Yates at DOJ, where this whistleblower or this lawyer works, shut it down.

Speaker 21 Yeah, I'm not sure he's whistleblowing. This might actually have been an exercise of CYA, right? Covering a little bit of a tale here, because

Speaker 21 the lawyer is a DOJ lawyer who's been detailed to the FBI. So that happens a lot.
Agency people get moved between agencies. So he comes from the Justice Department.

Speaker 21 He's working for the FBI, and he writes this memo down so that everybody has their story straight about why the FBI took a dive on Hillary Clinton.

Speaker 21 And the goal here is to show, hey, the agents in the field were doing their job, but political pressure on top was coming in.

Speaker 17 He says in writing the memo, this is where I was trying to take it, but he says in writing the memo that they've been told to shut it down by Sally Yates, but he seems to say without explanation, like she didn't say, here's why.

Speaker 21 Yeah, I think when we get to the bottom of this, the goal here was to say the FBI was a victim here.

Speaker 21 The mean old Justice Department kept us from doing this.

Speaker 21 And so when you read it, you see what needed to be chronicled, which is, you know, normally when an FBI agent has a criminal predicated investigation, you go to your local U.S.

Speaker 21 attorney, you get a grand jury started, you get subpoenas or search warrants, and you start finding out whether a crime should be prosecuted.

Speaker 21 What happens after the order from Sally Yates shut it down is the FBI goes and tries to get that normal cooperation that happens every day, 30, 40 times a week between FBI agents and their affiliated U.S.

Speaker 21 attorney's office, and they find a common refrain.

Speaker 21 We can't help you. You have to go alone on this.
Well, you can't go alone. An FBI agent can't get a grand jury subpoena.
Every U.S.

Speaker 21 Attorney's Office is following the direction of Sally Aides and saying, we just can't help you. Sorry, we don't want to go there.
Not going to happen.

Speaker 21 And then on top of that, their own boss, Andy McCabe, the number two official, is saying, no overt action unless I approve it. And that was very troubling to the FBI agents on the front lines.

Speaker 21 Here's why. Everybody knew by that time that

Speaker 21 Andy McCabe, his wife, had run for Democratic as a Democrat for a Virginia state Senate seat and had solicited financial help from Terry McAuliffe, the Virginia governor, and the longtime protege of the Clintons, the former chief fundraiser of the Clintons.

Speaker 21 He's the guy that presided over the 1990s Asia fundraising scandal that left such a dark mark over the Clinton presidency.

Speaker 21 So they know this guy's conflicted.

Speaker 21 His wife is beholden to the Democrats and to somebody that Hillary Clinton relies on to raise money.

Speaker 21 And more so, at the time Andy McCabe did that, it turns out the FBI had an open investigation against Terry McAuliffe. So this is the agents now are very suspicious.

Speaker 21 Why is Andy McCabe allowed to ride herd on this when he has a conflict of interest?

Speaker 21 And why is the Justice Department not helping us when we, every time we go for a grand jury, we know him to get our help? They knew the fix was in it.

Speaker 21 At some point, this lawyer is asked to put together a chronology so that there is a record of exactly who said what, when, and that's what this document represents.

Speaker 17 The interesting chronology shows that in March of 2016,

Speaker 17 the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Eastern District of Arkansas informed the FBI's Little Rock investigators.

Speaker 17 Again, as you point out, there are FBI investigations in Washington, D.C., and New York, and in Little Rock, which is where the Clintons, of course, lived for many years.

Speaker 17 So it shows that in March of 16, the U.S.

Speaker 17 Attorney's Office for the Eastern District of Arkansas informed the FBI's Little Rock investigators that then-Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates ordered the federal prosecutors to shut it down, to, quote, shut it down.

Speaker 17 This is new per year reporting in the Cash Patel release. So that's March of 2016.
Little Rock FBI is being told to shut it down. Then we get to

Speaker 17 August of 2016.

Speaker 17 Federal prosecutors in the Southern District of New York and the Eastern District of New York purportedly said that they would not support the investigation into the Clinton Foundation according to this timeline.

Speaker 17 No explanation was given. That's August of 2016.

Speaker 17 In June of 2016, so in between the bad news to the Little Rock investigators that came in March and the bad news unleashed by SDNY and EDNY in August of 2016.

Speaker 17 So in June of 2016 was the Bill Clinton-Loretta Lynch meeting on the tarmac. We covered that on Fox News.
It was such a big deal.

Speaker 17 Everyone knew something happened on board that airplane where they just happened to meet. That was the story they wanted us to believe.

Speaker 17 The planes just happened to land at the same place at the same time in Phoenix. And they claimed they did not discuss anything.

Speaker 17 They didn't discuss any DOJ investigation, nothing.

Speaker 17 But they never had problems again after that, according to this timeline, John, with the Clinton Foundation investigation.

Speaker 21 Yeah, you got it right. And listen, this is something I've been saying for a long time.

Speaker 21 And

Speaker 21 if you remember, a couple, four years ago, five years ago, I was on Fox and helping people understand the Uranium One investigation.

Speaker 21 The Uranium One investigation was one of the allegations that this corruption set of corruption probes were predicated on, that a transaction was allowed to go,

Speaker 21 American and North American-owned uranium was allowed to go to Rossatom and Vladimir Putin's uranium agency around the time that large transfers of money went to the

Speaker 21 Clinton Foundation. And Hillary Clinton State Department is one of the approval points in that thing.
That's one of the predications that they were looking at at the time.

Speaker 21 That detail was in the FBI's hands, but it wasn't in the public's hands yet. And there's a confidential confidential human source that is assisting that part of the investigation.

Speaker 21 You'll see in the timeline, there's a mention of a CHS confidential human source. So that's going on and it's heating up.

Speaker 21 And I've always argued that I don't believe the Tarmac meeting could have been about the email investigation because Hillary Clinton's lawyers knew by mid-June that the FBI was shutting down the email case, that it was going to be a recommendation of no process, no prosecution, and they weren't worried about it anymore.

Speaker 21 I know that for certain as a reporter who was talking to Hillary Clinton's legal team, they knew in mid to late June that they were out of peril. We didn't know yet.

Speaker 21 We didn't know until July 5th, but they knew. They also knew that Little Rock was bubbling up on a corruption investigation.

Speaker 21 And I think the more likely thing that we all ought to be focusing on is, did that come up? in the meeting? Was there any mention of the foundation? And two,

Speaker 21 was some of the concern about the emails on Hillary Clinton's servers, not the classified information, but what might have been chronicled about what the Secretary was dealing with that had relationships to donors at the Clinton Foundation.

Speaker 21 I think that that is a very significant question that the FBI was trying to get to the bottom of and didn't. And I'm going to remind you of one thing we learned from Tulsi.

Speaker 21 A few weeks ago, we learned that there are five thumb drives of evidence in the Hillary Clinton email

Speaker 21 investigation that were never looked at. That is the explosive annex that got released with the help of Chuck Grassley, with the help of the president.

Speaker 21 At my request, I made the request to the president. No one has ever exploited what is on those five thumb drives.
And we ought to now all be pressing to get that information.

Speaker 21 I've already filed a Freedom of Information Act request. Five thumb drives.

Speaker 21 Maybe there's some evidence on those thumb drives that would relate either to classified documents or to the Clinton Foundation case.

Speaker 21 And I think that is a place now that if the Justice Department revives all of this information, that's a strong place that they're likely to start.

Speaker 17 I just can't get over the contrast. They raided Melania Trump's underwear drawer.
They searched Baron Trump's personals down at Mar-a-Lago.

Speaker 17 They uncovered every stone in an effort to get Trump, this FBI, Biden's FBI, and DOJ. And actually did bring criminal charges against him, the Democrats did, in four different jurisdictions.

Speaker 17 But with this, At every turn, John, they worked to dismiss evidence to, when they found it, simply look the other way. When they might have been getting close to indicting,

Speaker 17 been told no by the deputy attorney general or the attorney general herself, not interested. It won't go, quote, too far.

Speaker 17 I mean, the double standard when it comes to a Clinton and a Biden on the one hand versus a man named Donald Trump on the other is shocking. And the

Speaker 17 dismissal. of any evidence that downplayed their narrative on Putin's trying to help Trump, right? Like they had so much telling them that that is bullshit.

Speaker 17 He actually didn't care who won the election.

Speaker 17 They worked so hard to dismiss the evidence that helped Trump and to play up the obvious false evidence like Christopher Steele dossier that would impugn Trump.

Speaker 17 But meanwhile, you've got three different FBI agents all driving toward the same conclusion, which is the sitting Secretary of State is corrupt. She is doing pay to play.

Speaker 17 You can only get access to her as the Secretary of State if you donate to her corrupt Clinton Foundation, and it gets shut down. It's the opposite.

Speaker 17 It's literally a 180 from what they did to Donald Trump.

Speaker 21 Yeah, listen, the way you opened your show, there's no better description of what the conspiracy is.

Speaker 21 It's a conspiracy to protect potential of Democrats from potential criminal prosecution and then to violate the civil liberties and privacy and reputations of innocent Republicans to create an alternate story to protect political interests, meaning what's going to happen in the election.

Speaker 21 That's what it is.

Speaker 21 It's not more complicated. And I know people say, oh, a conspiracy case is going to be complicated.
No, it's really not. We protected Democrats.
And the cycle is Hillary has two problems.

Speaker 21 Email, now corruption. We can prove that was active at the time.
Hunter Biden's got corruption and taxes. And by the way, the first evidence of that comes in in March, March through May of 2016.

Speaker 21 And then 2019, it's Henry Biden a lot more. And so we impeach the president and we have the government actually creating stories that I think we will prove were false.

Speaker 21 And then in 21, they find Joe Biden's classified documents at UPenn office in Washington and his garage.

Speaker 21 And they got to make Donald Trump look like he's the classified guy first before they can let the pa cat out of the bag that Joe Biden has the same problem. It's a wash, rinse, and repeat cycle.

Speaker 21 And in the course of that, two potential crimes are occurring. Obstruction of legitimate investigations.
Those are overt acts of a conspiracy.

Speaker 21 And then the violation of innocent people's civil liberties to create a political ruse. That is where I believe the grand conspiracy case is headed.

Speaker 21 I now believe that there are multiple grand juries that have begun work around this country in multiple jurisdictions outside of Washington where evidence is now being gathered.

Speaker 17 You do? You

Speaker 17 can report that or you have reason to believe that?

Speaker 21 Nope, I have confirmed witnesses who've had contact with the grand jury. So there are grand jurors in multiple locations.
Some of those are in Virginia.

Speaker 21 I believe one is going to begin based on early discussions in Pennsylvania. There may be one in New York.

Speaker 21 And so the activity has begun. And the question now is, and those are probably not going to be the indicting locations.

Speaker 21 I think the more likely thing is you use multiple grand juries just to make it easy to gather lots of information quickly. That's the way strike forces work.
And then you keep working from there.

Speaker 21 But there are multiple locations where pieces of this are being looked at.

Speaker 21 And maybe the grand jurors don't even know it's a grand conspiracy, just looking at some of the overt acts in one of these chapters of this sad story. But that is going on.

Speaker 21 And I think it's going to be a process, right? It's going to be a six-month process.

Speaker 21 I don't know the reason yet. I wish I knew.
I don't know the reason. I mean, there's lots.

Speaker 21 It could be related to the 2020 election.

Speaker 17 Yeah, that's where my mind went.

Speaker 21 Yeah. Yeah.
So we don't know yet. I just know that certain witnesses have been contacted about acceptance of grand jury subpoenas and they're in different locations.

Speaker 21 So the process is beginning, but it's a long process.

Speaker 21 And, you know, we won't know a lot about if the Justice Department does the right thing, unlike the Obama and Biden Justice Departments that leaked anything, the grand jury process will be unbelievably secret and will be masked from it because that's the way the process is supposed to work.

Speaker 21 In the meantime, we have an opportunity through the Freedom of Information Act and through our purchases as reporters to go out and try to get the story for the American people so they can understand why this is going on.

Speaker 21 The Democrats, who didn't care about going after a president when it was the Republican, are going to start crying, this is payback, this is retribution.

Speaker 21 We need Americans to understand it's not payback and retribution. There are legitimate legal questions here.

Speaker 17 I mean,

Speaker 17 all that comes to mind in response to that is, you know, as Socrates or Aristotle might have put it, suck it. I couldn't care less.
Like, too bad.

Speaker 17 What they have done, truly, they must be punished. They must have skin in the game, real skin in the game, or they really will, A, just have gotten away with it, and B, do it again.

Speaker 17 A couple of questions here.

Speaker 17 What, I agree with you that if there's a grand conspiracy case broad, it's not going to be in Pennsylvania.

Speaker 17 It's probably going to be down in Florida, which, you know, we've had a lot of people kind of kick around and raise over and over in this context.

Speaker 17 The rate on Mar-a-Lago is part of this, which would give them jurisdiction down there. The odds of getting a better judge and a better jury much higher for Team Trump.
But

Speaker 17 what are you hearing when it comes to the possible, possible names who might potentially be looking at an indictment here?

Speaker 21 Yeah, the only thing I know for sure is that there are multiple referrals. The first referrals came from the House Intelligence Committee in 19 and 20.

Speaker 21 They've been secret all this time, but I have confirmed as many as a dozen people referred at that moment in 19 and 20 in the aftermath of the Ukraine impeachment

Speaker 21 show and the Russia collusion unraveling. Then there are the ones from John Ratcliffe and there are the ones from Tulsi Gabbert.

Speaker 21 We kind of know some of those names, John Brennan, James Cole, people like that. Yeah, those are there.

Speaker 21 And I wouldn't be surprised based on yesterday's release of some information, which was incremental but important.

Speaker 21 You've got James Clapper. So it wouldn't be surprising if those names are there.

Speaker 21 They have said on television they expect to be encountering the criminal justice system in some way, and they're lawyering up. So I think those are reasonable things.

Speaker 21 I think this starts much lower than the big names. When you're rolling up the mob, you start with the capos and the street lieutenants.
You don't go right to the Godfather, right?

Speaker 21 You don't go to John Gotti right away.

Speaker 21 So they're going to roll up people in the deep state and in these nonprofits and in some of these other places and then get them to testify upward until they get to the top.

Speaker 21 So the big guns are probably not going to face much consequence short-term other than maybe a subpoena for their records.

Speaker 21 And I think that's, you know, if it's a traditional conspiracy case like you pursue the mob and the cartels, that's how they normally work.

Speaker 21 And I think the Justice Department is going back to the way it used to do things. And that should be comforting to us.

Speaker 17 Yeah. All right.
I have another, it's related, but it's just so the audience can follow us along. It's it's off.
It's off the discussion of today's news.

Speaker 17 You mentioned the House intelligence report, this one that was done in 2020, that wound up in a safe at Langley. Now, I'm trying to understand, John, why

Speaker 17 it is that we didn't get to see this until just now, until it got declassified. And

Speaker 17 what I'm finding, because you got to go back and remember who was in charge. So Trump won in 2016 and the Republicans won the House.
So the Republicans had control of the House from 16.

Speaker 17 Well, I mean, he took office in 17, but he gets worn in a little earlier. So the Republicans take office fall of 16 through fall of 18, and then they lost control of the House to the Democrats.

Speaker 17 So in that two-year period, while Trump was president, Devin Nunes was...

Speaker 17 the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, and he launched an investigation into how the Russia gate nonsense got generated. And he was a real hero.
I mean, he's truly like an unsung hero.

Speaker 17 I mean, he's kind of sung.

Speaker 17 Some Republicans know, but he really did get to the bottom of a lot of the nonsense.

Speaker 17 But he didn't release the report, the House Intel report, that really, the one that we've been discussing that has all these new juicy nuggets in it. He didn't release it.

Speaker 17 That investigation seems to have continued even once the Democrats took power in the House and Adam Schiff, then a congressman, took over as chairman of the committee.

Speaker 17 It continued going and it wasn't completed until the fall of 2020 when the Democrats were still in control of the committee.

Speaker 17 So

Speaker 17 I don't understand why when it was finally done, it didn't get released. I can see why Adam Schiff didn't necessarily want to release it because it wasn't good for his side and the Russiagate stuff.

Speaker 17 But why wouldn't a Republican have leaked it?

Speaker 17 What I'm reading online is that it's the Republicans who sent it to the CIA and then the CIA didn't want to declassify it, and they put it in this safe at Langley.

Speaker 17 So why would the Republicans not have made sure this thing got leaked and made public in 2020? Why did it go underground for five years with all these revelations in it?

Speaker 21 Because Republicans followed the law. This had highly classified information about sources and methods.
Some of it is still redacted, even in the version that we got in the last couple of weeks.

Speaker 21 So they weren't willing to do an atom shift, which is, we'll just leak classified information. They followed the law.

Speaker 21 I think they believed that their Republican president and his administration would get it out there. But the CIA under Gina Haspel often wasn't very friendly to the Republican House intelligence.

Speaker 17 That's Trump's CIA director. Keep going.
Yep.

Speaker 21 Recommended by Mike Ponpeo. And I think when history looks back over time, it is that.

Speaker 21 intelligence apparatus under Gina Haspel that allowed some of the Ukraine things to go on that we now know to be bogus.

Speaker 21 It's that intelligence apparatus that slowed down Devin Nunes until he was in the minority. And then once you're in the minority, the only way you can force it out is by a vote of the committee.

Speaker 21 You're going to lose that vote because you don't have enough members. So the system,

Speaker 21 that steel curtain, I used to cover football and I was a sports writer early in my career and everybody remembers the great Pittsburgh Steelers defense. No one could get through that line.

Speaker 21 They were called the steel curtain. Donald Trump.
faced the steel curtain. It was at the Justice Department.
It was at the FBI. It was at the CIA.
It was at the ODNI.

Speaker 21 And the secrets that could have exonerated him or informed the American people got trapped in that steel curtain until just a few short weeks ago.

Speaker 21 It is remarkable that they were able to keep things a secret for nine, six, seven, six years. And by the way, we're not done seeing some crazy secrets exposed.

Speaker 21 There's going to be more troubling things ahead than anything we've talked about this week.

Speaker 17 Oh, my gosh. All right.
Well, just clear your schedule every day at noon until this stops.

Speaker 17 One not unrelated question to

Speaker 17 to that question. The Senate Intel Committee and its report, this is the Democrats' favorite thing to point to.

Speaker 17 They say there is no scandal here whatsoever, and you need look no further than at Marco Rubio's Senate Intelligence Committee, which they claim verified all the things in that January intelligence community assessment.

Speaker 17 It's not true. They did not support that,

Speaker 17 like the key conclusions on collusion, et cetera, or Putin wanting wanting to help Trump. But it did generally support what the ICA had found.
And one thing all along we've been asking is why?

Speaker 17 And I've heard different answers from different, very smart people. What's your answer to that, John?

Speaker 21 So I saw this split as I was reporting. You know, I was breaking a lot of the early Russia collusion reversal stories, even before Devin's story 18 report came out.

Speaker 21 And I continued to be on Fox for a long time. And kind of every night we'd unravel it on one of the great shows.

Speaker 21 I met an unusual schism inside the Republican Party. And that schism on one side would be someone like Paul Ryan, who wanted to believe that the FBI would never mislead Congress.

Speaker 21 And so for the longest time, Paul Ryan's like, John, I think you lost your marbles, dude. I think you're over the line here.
Trust me, I'm getting the stuff you don't see.

Speaker 21 And I'm like, sir, I'm getting the stuff you aren't seeing. And we, at some point in the late summer, you could go check this, late summer of 2018, he gave me a statement saying, I was wrong.

Speaker 21 There is a problem here. We were misled and I'm pissed.
And that was the first pivot moment.

Speaker 21 The same sort of mindset, which is, you know, there are Republicans who want to believe that the institutions we used to trust and they could still trust.

Speaker 21 And so they were believing the briefings they get from an Andy McCabe, a Pete Strzok, and a Bill Preestop inside the FBI.

Speaker 21 Obviously, those briefings were not nearly as complete as we would later learn. On the other side were the Devin Nunes, which is, listen, I'm just a common sense guy.
None of this makes sense.

Speaker 21 I know what the FBI tells me in these classified briefings, and it doesn't make sense. And I'm just too curious not to find out the truth.
And that schism played out.

Speaker 21 The largest group of institutionalists, the people who still wanted to believe the institutions would never mislead Congress, were on the Senate Intelligence Committee.

Speaker 21 Marco Ruby wants to believe in institutions. I think he did.
And certainly Bill Burr did. And the Senator Burr was a huge critic of President Trump from North Carolina.

Speaker 21 And so he's the chairman for most of the time that report is. Marco gets to release it because Burr leaves, but Marco's at the end of that process.

Speaker 21 And I think at the end of the day, all of those members look back and say, all right, I know what I wrote then, and I wrote it with what I was being told, but the truth of the matter is we weren't told a lot of things.

Speaker 21 I'd love to see what Marco Rubia would say about that report today. I think he has been one of the true truth tellers in the early Trump administration.
He's made big things happen.

Speaker 21 And if he believed in the institutions back then, look at what he's done to the State Department since he got in.

Speaker 21 He eviscerated an institution that had been completely corrupting the American public's expectations. And the State Department, USID are a little bit, that tells you something.

Speaker 21 Marco Rubia finally figured out the institutions were the problem, not the solution.

Speaker 17 And last question, Michael Schmidt, New York Times reporter, married to Nicole Wallace of MSNBC, he was on her show yesterday. They did not disclose that they're married.
I'm sorry.

Speaker 17 That is a serious problem. I mean, I've had my husband Doug on this show to promote his books.
You know, his latest book was a big bestseller, was was nonfiction.

Speaker 17 Even in that context, I disclose to the audience, this is my husband. The audience must know if you have a bias toward the person you're bringing on.

Speaker 17 They must know that it's absolutely irresponsible to have him on to discuss Russia Gate,

Speaker 17 a scandal in which he is caught up and have him opine on the scandal as an objective reporter who's got arm's length from the whole controversy.

Speaker 17 This is extremely corrupt, but that's not what I want to ask you. She did ask him some questions about the Senate Intel Committee report.
And actually it was the day before on his podcast, The Daily,

Speaker 17 his newspaper's podcast, that he tried to dismiss that House Intel Committee report, John, by saying it was done by a bunch of partisan hacks. It was all these Republican partisan hacks.

Speaker 17 And like, they're the outlier. They differed from the Senate Intel Committee report, kind of like dismissing it.

Speaker 17 Like, what do you expect a bunch of MAGA faithful to write in assessing whether Trump was colluding with the Russians? Your thoughts on that?

Speaker 21 You know, I had a fascinating episode in the summer of 17. My office at that time, I was working at the Hill, and I was right near the New York Times Washington Bureau office.

Speaker 21 And I was going out to lunch. I was taking a couple interns who had done a good job.
We were just going to get a sandwich and talk shop for a little bit.

Speaker 21 And I was walking down the street, and one of the New York Times reporters, who I knew for a long time and respected, confronted me on the street and started screaming and yelling.

Speaker 21 He literally was trying to get into fisticuffs with with me, screaming that I was ruining his reputation and that

Speaker 21 I didn't understand who his sources were and I was wrong about Russia collusion and I was ruining his reputation. And he literally was almost to the point of punching me.

Speaker 21 And I told him, I seriously suggest you should just walk away now. Walk away, calm yourself down.
Don't make a fool of yourself in the middle of the street.

Speaker 21 And you're probably not going to hit me in the middle of the street because there's like 9,000 cameras. And he ran off still screaming at me.

Speaker 21 That passion I saw that day tells me something about the New York Times team that has done that reporting.

Speaker 21 And that is they're so emotionally invested in the stories that they wrote, that they won Pulitzers on, that they can't separate themselves from the job of what the facts are.

Speaker 21 You just can't fall in love with a story. That's one of the greatest dangers.
It's the ultimate blinders that journalists get when they make a mistake.

Speaker 21 You have to always be a skeptic, even when it's a trusted source. And I think history will look back.

Speaker 21 at the Washington Post and the New York Times, much like Jeff Gurth has already done in the Columbia Journalism Review and said, good reporters, well-intentioned reporters, fell in love with the story and couldn't separate fact from fiction, couldn't see the motives of their sources.

Speaker 21 We now know the motives of their sources. Why? Because that's what Daniel Richmond admitted to.
What did he tell the FBI?

Speaker 21 I was trying to take care of James Comey's image and fix it, and I was trying to set future narratives. He was basically using the New York Times to accomplish the work he was being paid to do.

Speaker 21 He had a motive.

Speaker 21 I think history will look back at these teams and say, no matter what the Pulitzer Committee says, because I don't think anyone cares about the Plitzer Committee anymore, their award system doesn't mean anything to anyone.

Speaker 21 People say, John, you should get a Plutzer. No, I don't want it.
Don't give it to me. I'll turn it back.
I don't want it. But I think investigators,

Speaker 21 these investigative reporters, fell in love with their sources and the storyline and couldn't see the facts from the fiction. And that is a problem that has existed in journalism for 10 or 15 years.

Speaker 21 Earlier generations of reporters have done great work at these institutions. They did do Plitzer Caliber work and the meaning we mean it by, but they got blinders.

Speaker 21 And I think when you see these defenses now, I mean, if you're still defending Russia collusion now,

Speaker 21 you're beyond delusional. And the American public has moved beyond you if you're trying to make some defense of it.
The great journalists sometimes get it wrong. It's not a perfect profession.

Speaker 21 When you get it wrong, say so and move on.

Speaker 17 The other piece of it is, and I watched this happen to you, and I knew you back on the Fox news days and i knew you to be a man of integrity and you're reporting to be very solid but they tried and still try to paint you as a right-wing lunatic some sort of a nut job far-right unreliable guy because they have to because either they're right or you're right both cannot be true and so they engage in the politics of personal destruction you know it has to be some fringy right-wing lunatic right and you've told us the other day about your you know long background at the AP and the Washington Times and other respectable,

Speaker 17 well, previously at least respectable outlets.

Speaker 17 And it didn't matter because your narrative had to be squashed and so did you.

Speaker 21 Yeah, I definitely encountered that. And, you know, to me, it turned out to be a blessing because I left a fractured industry that was misleading the public.

Speaker 21 And I tried to go do something that maybe would help fix it.

Speaker 21 And I hope before I hang up my spurs, one day people say, hey, people like Megan and John and all the others who went out on their own and started things, they helped fix the problem.

Speaker 21 They got the American people informed again.

Speaker 21 You said something that, and I think you nailed it. The dynamic is either you're right or I'm right.
And that's the personal nature of it that these reporters have looked at. And I've always asked.

Speaker 21 Are the facts right? That's all I care about. I don't care if I'm right or wrong.
I just want to get the facts right. And I know that's what you do.
I look at how you prep for your show.

Speaker 21 I've seen it the last couple of days. You are a quintessential reporter.
You care about the facts. You want to know what's new, what's old.

Speaker 21 And in the way you've interviewed me, that's just about being about the facts. Too many of these reporters have gotten invested in their personality.

Speaker 21 When I grew up in the AP, you didn't get a byline, right? You were just by the Associated Press. So your personality didn't matter.
Your work is what mattered.

Speaker 21 And that was a great culture to grow up in.

Speaker 21 I think reporters have to stop worrying about their personalities and their social media followings and their stardom and who's going to assign them to the next press. Prizes.

Speaker 21 And get back to, yeah, prizes. Yeah, exactly.
Prizes particularly. And just get back to the facts.

Speaker 21 am i right just the facts ma'am like they used to say on dragnet let's get back to facts facts matter and um i i'm so appreciative i listened to your podcast a lot and you just focus on the facts and i i think journalism is best when it does that and it's not about me and you names and stardom it's about what the story told the american public and was it right we got to get back to that that's the ultimate panacea i'm not sure we can but we're i'm sure it's all going to try before i retired yeah amen to that no i'm my team will tell you i'm constantly saying because obviously I'm a Trump supporter and they know that.

Speaker 17 But I'm constantly saying when we do our editorial for this show, for AM update, we are not in the business of running cover for Donald Trump.

Speaker 17 If the facts are bad for Trump, that's going into our report. That's coming into my research.
We are not in the business of running cover for him or any Republican or anyone whatsoever.

Speaker 17 We're in the fact business. And then I'll offer my own particular take on the news, which I think the audience understands the difference between.

Speaker 17 But I would never sacrifice my credibility for him or any other politician. And when you go down that that line, there's no coming back from it, John,

Speaker 17 as you know. Well, listen, I'm so grateful for your reporting, your honesty, and your commitment to true, truly intellectually stimulating, interesting reporting, no matter where it falls.

Speaker 17 God bless you.

Speaker 21 Back at you. Thanks.

Speaker 17 Thank you. All right.
Well, I think we're going to see you soon.

Speaker 17 Based on how things are going, John Solomon, get used to him. You're going to see him a lot here on the MK show.
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Speaker 17 Amid President Trump's DC crime crackdown, an incident involving a subway sandwich is making news and has led to the arrest of a DOJ employee who's now been fired. Joining me now, Stu Bergier.

Speaker 17 He's host of Blaze TV's Stu Does America. Stu, welcome back.
Great to have you.

Speaker 25 Thank you, Megan Sick. It's great to be here.
I appreciate it.

Speaker 17 First of all, can you believe this crap with Solomon, what he's reporting and like the day-to-day, I mean, the cover-up, we knew, of course, that the Obama administration and the Biden administration ran cover for Hillary Clinton and had no interest in Clinton Foundation corruption, which has been, yeah, whole books have been written about it.

Speaker 17 But now we're getting really the details. Like three FBI field offices had investigations into it.
It was shut down by the Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates under Loretta Lynch. I mean,

Speaker 17 Andrew McCabe, too, like the number of people who are running cover for this woman we knew was corrupt. It's stomach turning.

Speaker 21 It really is.

Speaker 25 And I, you know, thank God we have people like John Solomon to sort through it. I mean, I think it's time to get it.

Speaker 17 To release it.

Speaker 25 To release it. Yeah.
And that's a huge piece of this, as you covered toward the end of the interview there. That having people who

Speaker 25 I think a lot of times we talk about, you know,

Speaker 25 people like me who just run my mouth on my opinions every single day, try to do the best to bring out the truth, of course, but like I'm not a reporter like John is.

Speaker 25 I think at times conservatives have sort of abandoned that world thinking, well, all these big institutional

Speaker 25 places like the New York Times and the Washington Post and the LA Times, they don't even hire conservatives.

Speaker 25 If they find out that you are even going to entertain the conservative perspective, you're going to lose your job. You're not going to get any of your Pulitzers.

Speaker 25 You're not going to get any of those awards. And so we sort of almost, for a while, it felt like almost abandoned that space.

Speaker 25 And I think John and several others, Peter Schweizer, I think, does a lot of this. I know you do it as well.

Speaker 25 People who actually care about journalism, people who care about the facts, going into that space and saying, no, we're just going to be, we're just going to just be like dogs, attack dogs, going after this information and trying to find the truth and presenting in a way, as John does.

Speaker 25 He's not a hype machine.

Speaker 25 I don't know what John's, his social media following is probably pretty good considering all the hard work he does, but he's not, you know, he's not trying to be explosive.

Speaker 25 He's not trying to set off fireworks.

Speaker 17 John doing patient farming.

Speaker 25 Exactly. He's trying to give you, I mean, just the news is his website.
He's trying to give you the actual news.

Speaker 25 And it's incredibly valuable to have people like that on our side because, you know, I think, you know, for the most part, the people who have those jobs at these big institutions are on the left.

Speaker 25 Occasionally, we'll see little blips of good reporting from those places. But to have somebody who's not on something like this.

Speaker 25 Not on something like this. They run on this.

Speaker 17 They're not on Russia gate. This is not something they would touch.
And it really did cause serious damage.

Speaker 17 I mean, all this that was done to President Trump, Russia, Russia, Russia, the fake collusion stuff, really damaged his first term and undermined our entire foreign policy with and toward Russia.

Speaker 17 Trump commented on that yesterday when he was at the Kennedy Center, which he is now calling the Trump Kennedy Center.

Speaker 19 Here he is on

Speaker 17 what RussiaGate did to his first term, Satwan.

Speaker 26 I had to go through the Russia-Russia hoax, and it was actually, it was a strain on the relationship.

Speaker 26 I actually told him, I said, you know, they got this phony investigation going on, Russia, Russia, Russia.

Speaker 26 Totally phony, created by Adam Schiff, Shifty Schiff and Hillary Clinton and the whole group of them.

Speaker 26 And it made it very dangerous for our country because I was unable to really deal with Russia the way we should have been. I'm looking at Pam because I hope something's going to be done about it.

Speaker 26 These people put our country at great danger. It was all made up.
It was a hoax. The Mueller report came out.
They all hated me. They had 18 Trump haters.
And they said I did nothing wrong.

Speaker 26 They couldn't believe, they couldn't find anything. After years of investigation, it was all a hoax.

Speaker 26 It was a hoax created by the Democrats, but in particular, Schiff and Crooked Hillary, the whole group. And

Speaker 26 now we've learned all the stuff that's come out over the last two months is incredible through intelligence. And hopefully something's going to happen with it.

Speaker 26 These are people that put our country in danger, in real danger.

Speaker 17 Good point, right? It's true. Danger.

Speaker 25 Yeah, I really did. I mean, it threw off our entire country's foreign policies.
He outlined it. I mean, and Adam Schiff is legitimately one of the worst people that we are aware of in public life.

Speaker 25 He is just, he's, you know, a Cretan of a sort that is, you know, you don't normally, I don't know, I don't know anybody like him in my life.

Speaker 25 I mean, I know a lot of people, some people I like, some people I don't. I don't know anyone who acts like him, who would do the types of things that he does.
Yeah, it's

Speaker 25 borderline psychotic.

Speaker 25 And, you know, I look at this stuff, and I don't know. I'm not as optimistic maybe as John is that we get to the end of this with arrests.
I hope we do. I hope this stuff does get to the end.

Speaker 25 I know it is a long long process.

Speaker 17 I'm very optimistic that people are going to be arrested now.

Speaker 18 Convicted?

Speaker 25 I don't know. Not convicted, I guess.
Yeah.

Speaker 25 But I do see that there is a there's a bit of a charm when you go after somebody like this.

Speaker 25 You know, they went after Trump all these times. I was thinking about this the other day.

Speaker 25 One of the ways they went after him after all these investigations was to go after him in the document scandal.

Speaker 25 That document scandal led to Biden also being asked questions by Robert Hurr, which wound up revealing to America he was an elderly man with a poor memory, as if we didn't know it ourselves but many needed a little bit more on that front which leads to you know him dropping out of the race and the 2024 election going the way it does I don't know maybe there's a way that this all comes together and justice is finally done I hope it's done through the legal system but either way they've certainly paid a price politically and I think reputationally and they also say the process is the punishment which was something we lamented when it was being done to Trump because there was nothing to punish him for there is something to punish them for And so if the process is as much punishment as we can get, I'll take it.

Speaker 17 Stu stays with us. More after this break.
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In a little bit, Stu, we are going to be talking about Jussie Smollett, who is back in the news.

Speaker 17 More details for you and some sound from him.

Speaker 17 He is trying to re-litigate whether he perpetuated a hate crime hoax against himself.

Speaker 17 That case involved him claiming that he went to Subway in the middle of the night and was attacked while holding his Subway sandwich by two white guys wearing MAGA hats who called him racial epithets and then put a noose around his neck.

Speaker 17 That didn't happen. But there was an attack with a subway sandwich last night in DC.

Speaker 17 And it was a white guy, we're now told, who worked at the Department of Justice until this morning when he was fired by Pam Bondi, per Pam Bondi. She's told us that piece of it.

Speaker 17 But we saw this tape go viral on X with this guy behaving like a complete ass in the face of the federal law enforcement officers who are standing there minding their own business, just keeping an eye on things to make sure things are safe.

Speaker 17 For the listening audience, we're going to play it. You see the man jumping up, like just jumping, like he's on a pogo stick in front of these cops.

Speaker 17 And then out of nowhere, he takes his Subway sandwich and whips it at one of the officers. The man is wearing a pink polo shirt

Speaker 17 and tight little gray shorts. He whips it at the officer and then takes off.
And now the officers chase him and they did get him.

Speaker 17 And

Speaker 17 then we heard from Janine Pirro who is look at this slow-mo now we've slow-moed the he really whips it at him it hits him in like the collarbone on the left side and immediately they give chase so then we hear from Janine Pirro who's honestly there's a new sheriff in town down there do not F with Judge Janine here's Janine weighing in on this

Speaker 30 And the president's message to the criminals was, if you spit, we hit.

Speaker 30 Well, we didn't quite quite do that the other night when an individual went up to one of the federal law enforcement officers and started jumping up and down, screaming at him, berating him, yelling at him.

Speaker 30 And then he took a Subway sandwich about this big and took it and threw it at the officer. He thought it was funny.

Speaker 30 Well, he doesn't think it's funny today because we charge him with a felony, assault on a police officer. And we're going to back the police to the hilt.

Speaker 30 So there, stick your Subway sandwich somewhere else.

Speaker 17 By the way, not for nothing, but here's sound from the subway sandwich attack incident. You can hear the man calling the cops a fascist.

Speaker 17 He's calling them fascists. Listen.

Speaker 16 They're what?

Speaker 17 You see these fascists right here in our city?

Speaker 16 Fascists?

Speaker 17 All right, I'm just gonna go ahead and say it. The guy whipping the subway sandwich appears to me like he is on something.
I like he's too animated. He's got too much energy.

Speaker 17 He's doing the whole knee bend, Stu. I mean, when it went, you do the knee bend when you are genuinely mad.

Speaker 17 Like you're bending the knees, like you fascist, you fascist with the knee bend, you mean business. And now, unfortunately for him, so does Judge Janine.

Speaker 25 Yeah,

Speaker 25 I have to say, look, it's, of course, what he did is

Speaker 25 awfully awful and wrong.

Speaker 25 I mean, the whole video is hilarious to watch, though. I have to.

Speaker 25 It is just an amazing video. No one was hurt.
And this, you know, and luckily, this guy and his career is hurt and his reputation is hurt as well. And he may be going to prison for a while.

Speaker 25 And that's all really, really positive because when you act that way, that's exactly what should happen to you. That's a terrible way to act and a ridiculous, ridiculous thing.

Speaker 25 The way he ran away, too, was very...

Speaker 25 He was really pacing himself as if he was going to run for like four or five miles there. I don't understand understand the approach.

Speaker 25 I don't understand the approach of these people, though.

Speaker 25 These are law enforcement officials, and

Speaker 25 they're doing their job. Whether you like the job or not, they're doing it.
They're doing it to the best of their ability.

Speaker 25 And they're trying to protect you in a city that is a horror show, frankly, and has been for a really long time.

Speaker 25 They tried this whole thing of saying, oh, well, it's down by crime is down by 35%.

Speaker 25 There's all sorts of problems with those numbers. I'm sure you covered all that.
But like, down to what?

Speaker 25 You know, I think what Trump has tried to say here is that what you're trying to tell me is acceptable is not acceptable. This is an emergency situation.
It's just been a long brewing one.

Speaker 25 And despite the fact that it might be slightly better than 2023, the peak of the last 30 years, does not make me feel any better about it.

Speaker 25 And having someone like Janine Pirro in charge is going to make a big difference. You know, when she was talked about in this role.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 25 When she was talked about in this role, the media kept saying like the same thing they did, you know, with Pete Hegseth and Dan Bongino and so many others.

Speaker 25 Oh, well, Fox News personality gets this job. How could they give this job to Fox News personality? Jeannie Piro is not just a Fox News personality.

Speaker 25 She became a Fox News personality because of her background in law enforcement.

Speaker 25 My uncle was a homicide detective who in Westchester County worked under Jeannie Pierrow long before I had any idea who she was. He would praise her like nobody's business because of

Speaker 25 what a great job she did, did, how tough she was on the job, how she didn't put up with nonsense. She cared about protecting the people of her community.

Speaker 25 And that is

Speaker 25 something that I feel like we have lost in Washington, D.C.

Speaker 25 You know, I think we all realize that if you put enough police officers in these areas, you know, something like 14% of the murders happens in a 10-block radius in Washington, D.C.,

Speaker 25 you put a bunch of officers in that area, you're gonna be able to stop a lot of that crime. What our

Speaker 25 government has been saying saying for a very long time about DC is: we don't care enough. We don't care enough to do anything about it.
And Donald Trump is stepping in and doing something.

Speaker 25 Janine Piro's doing something.

Speaker 25 And whether that's just, you know, whether it's taking care of something really serious, like, like, you know, a murder or an attempted murder with a Subway sandwich, with a, you know, with a tuna delight,

Speaker 25 there has to be a line there.

Speaker 25 And

Speaker 25 I suppose a foot long is where that line's being drawn.

Speaker 17 Janine Piro is one of the first people I interviewed as an anchor. I was substitute anchor at Fox News.
They hired me in 2004, and I didn't get to substitute anchor, I think, for another couple years.

Speaker 17 And I went up to New York, and she was running for New York State Attorney General. And

Speaker 17 she came on, and I interviewed her, and she's just a badass. I mean, like back then, we talked about all the stuff she had done as Westchester County DA.

Speaker 17 It's just ridiculous that they want to diminish her. I mean, there's nothing wrong with being a Fox News host.
Obviously, that's what I believe.

Speaker 17 But

Speaker 17 she's so much more than that. I mean, truly, like, I, I was a Fox News host anchor for many, many years, 14 plus years.
And you know what? I had a career as a lawyer for almost 10 years prior to that.

Speaker 17 So many of us bring different things into our backgrounds, from our backgrounds, into our hosting or anchoring abilities. Hag Seth, Bongino, Piro, and yours truly among them.

Speaker 17 Here's what Pam Bondi wrote. If you touch any law enforcement officer, we will come after you.
I just learned that this defendant worked at the DOJ no longer.

Speaker 17 Not only is he fired, he's been charged with a felony. This is an example of the deep state we have been up against for seven months as we work to refocus DOJ.

Speaker 17 You will not work in this administration while disrespecting our government and law enforcement. I think she's really onto something there.

Speaker 17 This is an example of the deep state we've been up against for seven months as we work to refocus DOJ. I know this is happening at FBI, at the Pentagon, and elsewhere in the government.

Speaker 17 They really are working against some of the leaders. I think it's happening at FDA.

Speaker 17 Like the Trump administration is real and he's assigned really and nominated and had confirmed really important department heads.

Speaker 17 But that doesn't mean that they can, with a magic wand, change these organizations, which in large part, oh, and by the way, DNI, which in large part not only don't support them, but actively oppose them and are working against them.

Speaker 17 How do you think that guy was handling any directive whatsoever issued by Pam Bondi or Todd Blanche, that DOJ employee?

Speaker 25 Yeah, and we absolutely with certainty know that a lot of people inside of these organizations are working against Donald Trump, at least in the first term, mainly because they bragged about it to author after author after author in their tell-all books afterwards.

Speaker 25 They wanted credit for it. They wanted to be greeted as heroes and liberators from Donald Trump.
And, you know, this, I think, really, it's a bizarre incident.

Speaker 25 And you're watching a guy throw a sandwich at another human being and then try to run away at medium pace.

Speaker 25 It's a fascinating thing. But what it really highlights when you think about it is how deep this issue is.

Speaker 25 It's not like they didn't come into office thinking about getting rid of people like this guy. Right.
The Trump administration ran on saying, what we're going to do is drain the swamp.

Speaker 25 That was the first term. And I think he's

Speaker 25 a lot more serious about it here in the second term. He really wanted to make sure they got rid of those people.

Speaker 25 He put people in charge who were uh you know attack dogs to make sure they could go after the people who were doing this type of thing and now we've gone through a whole period of doge we've gone through a whole period of why is it firing yeah uh they got rid of a lot of these people and yet a guy who is so psychotic that he will bend his knees as he's screaming as hard as he can into the face of an officer and then you know throw a sandwich at his chest that guy was still employed as of yesterday.

Speaker 25 Like, he was still there.

Speaker 17 Have you ever thrown a sandwich in anger, Stu Brigier? Ever.

Speaker 25 I never. Only into my mouth, Megan.
And that usually is more hunger than anything else. Or like

Speaker 17 depression or anxiety. You know, sometimes when my kids are playing tennis, like in a, in a match, I stress eat.
You know, I just, I've got to have like a bag of potato chips. I don't know.

Speaker 17 I've stress eaten with a sandwich before. I don't think I've ever stress felonized anyone.

Speaker 25 No, no. First of all, don't attack people with sandwiches.
Secondly, they're sandwiches. They're delicious.
You don't want to get rid of them. You shouldn't waste them.

Speaker 25 Don't. I mean, that poor sandwich is now sitting on the ground.
Luckily, it's DC. About 400 rats ate it about 10 seconds after that video ended.
So at least someone.

Speaker 17 Is it just me? I love the color commentary. I kind of love the guy who's like, motherfucker.

Speaker 25 It is amazing. I kind of want him to, I don't know, is there an opening at the NFL to just kind of call call games on the sidelines? I kind of want to guess what you're talking about.

Speaker 16 I want to talk about the Megan Kelly show.

Speaker 27 I want him to walk us through exactly, play by play.

Speaker 17 Like, how did you know something was going down?

Speaker 17 What was your reaction inside when you saw the subway get thrown? Anyway, it was all great. It's a great story.
This just in on the guy, his name,

Speaker 17 let's see. I can't see his name, but his last name is Dunn, D-U-N-N.
Sean, Sean Dunn.

Speaker 24 He is.

Speaker 17 He was an internal. Yeah, he is Dunn.
He was an international affairs specialist with with the Office of International Affairs within the DOJ's criminal division.

Speaker 17 According to a Justice Department official, the office handles international extraditions, prisoner swaps, and other overseas operations.

Speaker 17 Well, he should be happy then because President Trump has been doing a really great job getting not necessarily our prisoners back, but people being held hostage back.

Speaker 17 And if he's into prisoner swaps, he should be applauding him. Why is he so angry? I don't know.

Speaker 17 We'll surely find out why he thinks they're all fascists. Okay, let's move on.
Hunter Biden may be soon in a litigation with Melania Trump. How's that for a headline?

Speaker 17 Hunter Biden gave this interview to this Channel 5 YouTuber, and in it, he claimed as follows on August 5th, SOT 8.

Speaker 33 Epstein introduced Melania to Trump.

Speaker 14 The connections are like so wide and deep.

Speaker 5 They knew each other well.

Speaker 33 They spent an enormous time together. According to his biographer, is that Jeffrey Epstein introduced Melania.
That's how Melania and the first lady and the president met.

Speaker 18 Really?

Speaker 17 Epstein made the intro.

Speaker 14 Yeah, according to Michael Wolfe.

Speaker 33 And so I only can go by what people are saying, and I don't know.

Speaker 17 Okay. So he cites Epstein's biographer, who is Michael Wolf, for his information.

Speaker 17 And sure enough, Michael Wolf, the month before, it was July, went on the Daily Beat Beast podcast and said the following, Satanai.

Speaker 34 You know, she was very involved in the Epstein, in this Epstein relationship. I mean, there is this model thing,

Speaker 34 but, you know, and Epstein

Speaker 34 talks about, you know, and she's introduced by a model agent, both of whom Trump and Epstein are involved with.

Speaker 34 She's introduced

Speaker 34 to Trump that way. Epstein knows her well.
The first time Epstein says the first time Donald Trump and Melania have sex is on his airplane.

Speaker 17 So Melania Trump, through her lawyer, wrote Hunter Biden a nasty gram, a legal nasty gram,

Speaker 17 that says, I'm going to sue you for a billion dollars unless you apologize for that.

Speaker 17 And it's retracted and removed and that the error is acknowledged in as public a way as the offense was committed to begin with.

Speaker 17 Saying your source for your false statements was serial fabulist Michael Wolf, whose lies were published by the Daily Beast in an article titled Melania Trump, Very Involved in an Epstein Scandal.

Speaker 17 The Daily Beast, unfortunately for Hunter Biden, issued an apology to Melania Trump and retracted the false and defamatory statements immediately thereafter.

Speaker 17 That because clearly Milani's people had contacted them too.

Speaker 17 And so they did pull it, said they were sorry, and issued a retraction because they'd heard from Milani directly, it's not true, and this is made up, like a lot of things are by Michael Wolf.

Speaker 17 So now Hunter Biden's twisting in the wind because he's repeated the defamatory statement in a very public way on this YouTube show. And

Speaker 17 the ball's in his court. Well, he has responded, went back to the same place, and this interview was posted today.
It was posted today.

Speaker 17 And here's what he said in SOT 7.

Speaker 9 Fuck that.

Speaker 14 That's not going to happen.

Speaker 33 I think they're trying to use other things to distract. And I also think they're bullies.
And they think that a billion dollars is going to scare me.

Speaker 17 Look at him. He's got all the confidence of a man who's been repeatedly protected by law enforcement his entire life.
He's like, fuck that. No one can ever get me.
I'm under Biden. I get pardoned.

Speaker 17 I get DOJs running interference for me when the IRS has got me by the balls. I'm good.

Speaker 13 She can F off.

Speaker 17 So

Speaker 17 should she actually go ahead and file her lawsuit?

Speaker 17 I know I'm not asking you as a, you're not a lawyer, but do you think it would be smart for her to get involved in what will essentially be a political battle as well as a legal one?

Speaker 21 Yes.

Speaker 25 Yes. I will go to

Speaker 25 your punishment is the

Speaker 25 process argument from before process is the punishment.

Speaker 25 I do think that it is worth it. I mean, look, you know, nobody wants their name in a headline with Jeffrey Epstein.
It's not a good thing.

Speaker 25 So, I mean, it's a legitimately serious thing when you're taking somebody's, you're making an argument that I don't even think Michael Wolfe actually made, by the way.

Speaker 25 I mean, Wolf did say, again, Wolf has his own battles with the truth, as it has been well covered.

Speaker 25 But like... Even his claim was that they first had sex on the plane.
It wasn't even that they were introduced by Epstein.

Speaker 25 He even said in the podcast, he just said that, you know, they were all in kind of an area where

Speaker 25 they were all running in those circles with models. And he was introduced to Melania through a modeling agency.

Speaker 25 So it's not even clear that Hunter Biden's claim was accurate, even to what Michael Wolf said.

Speaker 25 Beyond that, it was broadcast on the Daily Beast. The fact that they retracted and apologized for something is maybe the biggest part of the story.
Those people have absolutely no standards at all.

Speaker 25 I don't know that they've ever cared about a journalistic standard in their entire life. They must be scared of that lawsuit.
I'll tell you that. No kidding.

Speaker 25 It's a fascinating thing to watch and to watch Hunter Biden come out. You're right.
He's an entitled person. He believes he's going to be.

Speaker 25 I mean, look, he was actually pardoned by the president of the United States. He has some reason to believe he's going to survive every single thing that comes his way.

Speaker 23 But he's not

Speaker 19 for future crimes.

Speaker 25 Exactly. Not pardoned for future crimes and not pardoned for civil lawsuits.
There's all sorts of ways that this could wind up burning him.

Speaker 25 And I think what's central to the Hunter Biden thing, look, Hunter Biden's gone through some tough years. Okay.
We all kind of are aware of this.

Speaker 25 The past 10 to 15 years have not been exactly a fun time to be Hunter Biden, though he's had many, many parties in that time. They're not always resulting in fun.

Speaker 25 The one thing he has been praised for over the past 10 years has been this interview with this guy from Channel 5, Andrew Callahan.

Speaker 25 And he was praised by the left, the people that he wants to be praised by. He could be the new Joe Rogan, Megan.

Speaker 25 Look at how he's just just such a plain talker. He'll say anything.
I really do think this type of that reaction has incentivized him to go even farther. And

Speaker 25 you think about the way that the internet works, clicks work and money works and donations work and attention works.

Speaker 25 All those incentives point one direction. Keep saying it.
Go farther. You know, it's the Jasmine Crockett theory.
The dumber and louder you are, the more attention that you get.

Speaker 25 And I think Hunter's falling into this.

Speaker 25 And when Donald Trump's on the other side of that, and his wife, who he's going to defend, and a billion-dollar lawsuit, I think this is a terrible mistake from a guy who's made many of them.

Speaker 17 And it's knowable how they met. I mean, Melanie Trump wrote a memoir in her self-titled book back in 2024, and she wrote as follows, that she met Trump.

Speaker 17 at a September 1998 Fashion Week party at the Kit Kat Club in New York City. Quote, I saw my friend wave at someone behind me.

Speaker 17 When I turned around, I noticed a man and and an attractive blonde woman approaching us. Hi, I'm Donald Trump, the man said when he reached my table.

Speaker 17 From the moment our conversation began, I was captivated by his charm and easygoing nature, she wrote, noting that their back and forth was a, quote, refreshing departure from the usual superficial small talk and made her feel like, quote, the center of his world.

Speaker 17 I found myself drawn to his magnetic energy. And then he called me a 10.
No, I made up that last line.

Speaker 24 That didn't happen.

Speaker 25 I would have totally totally believed that, I will say.

Speaker 22 I would have believed it.

Speaker 17 But that's the story. It's not Epstein introduced them.
It's not Epstein, whatever. So we'll see.
Ball's in her court now.

Speaker 17 And it's very, very hard for a public figure to recover for defamation, which is not a crime. It's a civil tort that you would sue for.
But we'll see because public figures...

Speaker 17 If they sue for defamation, have to be subjected to a deposition themselves.

Speaker 17 She will be cross-examined by Hunter Biden's lawyers, but she may be prepared to do all of that because just to make the point that you can't lie about her with impunity.

Speaker 17 And you certainly can't bring Jeffrey Epstein anywhere close to somebody like that and not expect them to rattle your cage a bit. So we shall see.
I'm interested to see how it goes.

Speaker 17 Now, Hunter Biden, in his first interview with this guy

Speaker 17 on Channel 5, he sold the use of crack

Speaker 17 so ardently and in such a heartfelt way that

Speaker 17 it actually helped me understand how he got his dead brother's widow hooked on crack. This man is a true believer in crack.
He loves crack. He loves it like a person loves their children.

Speaker 17 He's a huge believer in crack. Almost as big a believer as Donald Trump is in grass.
Not that kind of grass, actual green grass like you might find on a golf course. And here is why I say that.

Speaker 26 We're going to be redoing the parks, redoing the grass. You know, grass is a lifetime like people have a lifetime.

Speaker 26 And the lifetime of this grass has long been gone. When you look at the parks where the grass is

Speaker 26 all tired, exhausted, we're going to redo the grass with the finest grasses. I know a lot about grass because I own a lot of golf courses.

Speaker 26 And if you don't have good grass, you're not in business very long, Lynn.

Speaker 17 Talk about attention to detail, Stuberger.

Speaker 17 He's worried about the grass in the nation's capital, in the parks, because it doesn't look good. And our national capital doesn't look good.

Speaker 17 And it's all part of his rebeautification project, getting rid of the homeless, doing something about the sanitation issues, cleaning up the crime, and right down to the blades of grass looking past their time.

Speaker 17 And Donald Trump, the sitting president of the United States, doing something about it. I applaud it all.

Speaker 25 Yeah. You know, I mean, it's funny because people will mock him on this.
They go after him for all sorts of these types of efforts. This ties directly into what he's doing in D.C., right?

Speaker 25 This is not just because, you know, there were some violent attacks. He looks at D.C.
as an embarrassment. You know, he's the leader of the free world here.

Speaker 25 He's got world leaders coming in from all over the place, and they're coming to this town that none of them are allowed to walk around in in the middle of the night.

Speaker 25 I mean, honestly, past dusk, it gets a little risky in a lot of areas.

Speaker 25 This is part of his, you know, beautification, I think, is part of it, but like it is, and that's the way he talks about it.

Speaker 25 Of course, he's talking about, you know, things being beautiful, the most beautiful things you've ever seen. But it also ties into what he's doing with this ballroom, the best grass.

Speaker 25 We've got the best grass. It goes into what he's doing with the ballroom inside the White House as well.

Speaker 25 This is something he is looking at this, not from his own perspective. Yes, Donald Trump loves gold things.
Yes, Donald Trump, I'm sure, loves, you know, nice green grass at his golf resorts.

Speaker 25 But he's thinking about this is when he's got got foreign dignitaries coming in and he needs to be able to present something from the United States that is a position of power.

Speaker 25 It is a position of negotiation. He knows those things matter, not to him, but to the people he's talking to.
He knows those things matter. When foreign

Speaker 25 presidents come in and foreign leaders come in and they see D.C. as

Speaker 25 the cesspool in certain areas that it is, it's not only embarrassing, but it's also something that makes us look weak.

Speaker 25 And Donald Trump, I think, correctly identifies the fact that you have to be able to present American power in these arrangements.

Speaker 17 You have to, you know, having

Speaker 25 gold, you know, palaces is, yes, it's, you know, for a foreign

Speaker 25 king or something, is something that certainly coddles their life very nicely, but it's more than that. It sends a signal of power and it is something that you need.
It's not, you know,

Speaker 25 I, as an American, I love the charm that we are led by citizens. I love the charm of us being,

Speaker 25 you know, having a president that has really limited limits in his power.

Speaker 25 I mean, I remember Trump talking about this earlier in his first term when people would be like, well, why don't you just do that? And our Constitution says he can't, right?

Speaker 25 We have those limitations. And as an American, I really, really respect them and love that we have always had those traditions.

Speaker 25 But when you're talking to a foreign leader, you have to be able to communicate in their language. He did that with Kim Jong-un.
He's done that all over the world.

Speaker 25 That's an important thing that he takes seriously. And part of that is making DC seem like a place that anyone on earth would want to visit outside of the mall during the day.

Speaker 17 That's so true. I think back to when I was at Jones Day, a big law firm practicing law.
And I was in their Chicago office and for a time in their DC office.

Speaker 17 And you'd walk into that office, both of them, both at the, and I was in the New York office too. I was all over for them.
But you walk into their offices and like

Speaker 17 it's like marble and glass and like the big thing like on the floor showing where all their offices are across the world, you know, in London and Riyadh and wherever.

Speaker 17 And it's just a whole, and there's war halls hanging on the. the office walls and the lobby.
And it's all part of a presentation to welcome clients.

Speaker 17 Like, this is the level of service you're going to get here. Nothing will be phoned in.
It will be first class beginning to end.

Speaker 17 And Trump's trying to do that to to the nation's capital as the seat of power, as where all these other foreign officials come and meet with him. He wants it.

Speaker 17 I mean, he wants it to be like a Trump golf course. He wants it to be like Mar-a-Lago, where it's extravagant and luxurious and at a minimum, absolutely beautiful and pristine and clean.

Speaker 17 So I applaud it. I think it makes perfect sense.

Speaker 17 He's still taking a lot of flack for it. My only question is, and my husband and I were talking about this this morning, who's next? Let's do New York next.

Speaker 17 We certainly aren't going to get it cleaned up under momdani let's do Chicago which used to be so clean and now is disgusting let's do Oakland let's do Baltimore let's do any but you know you're not allowed to do it to any other city that has a black mayor because the left has said oh these are all towns run by black mayors and that's racist to try to stop them from getting killed

Speaker 17 towns that have a heavy black population or a black mayor, they should suffer the crime.

Speaker 17 That's what's not racist. Let them get killed.
Let them get robbed. If you say anything about their mayor allowing them to be killed and robbed, it's racist.

Speaker 17 So the Chicago mayor, Brandon Johnson, who's an absolute incompetent fool, weighs in on Tuesday on whether Trump's cleanup squad is coming soon to him. And here's what he said.

Speaker 36 What do you say to Donald Trump? How did you feel when Donald Trump called you a counting? What did you feel?

Speaker 17 He just addressed this.

Speaker 36 Thanks.

Speaker 36 Please answer that question. If you want to.

Speaker 37 Okay, fine. Since you are begging, I do believe that Donald Trump is intimidated.

Speaker 14 I know, I think.

Speaker 13 Okay, no interruption. So let me just answer that.

Speaker 37 I do appreciate you begging. So I would just say it like this: that the president has always been intimidated by the intellectual prowess of black men.
And so, of course, he would speak in those

Speaker 37 petite and puerile terms because

Speaker 37 he's small.

Speaker 17 Got it. He is intimidated by the intellectual prowess of black men.

Speaker 17 That's why he wants to stop crime in cities like D.C. and Chicago and why he called Brandon Johnson incompetence too.

Speaker 25 I mean, it's just so absolutely ridiculous. And we know it's ridiculous.
It's been

Speaker 25 like if you go back to pre-Apprentice, right? You go back to the days when Donald Trump was just a really famous real estate developer in New York.

Speaker 25 Go back to those days and see what his comments were about New York City back then.

Speaker 25 He was worried about these things way back then and has been consistently worried about crime in cities his entire public life.

Speaker 25 This is not a person who came in like Mom Donnie, who nobody had heard of, you know, six months ago. This is someone who has been one of the most famous people in the United States for half a century.

Speaker 25 We get really

Speaker 25 aware of what the guy has said on record. And he has been focused on crime in the city for a really long time.

Speaker 25 And the fact that it's treated as racism to try to implement some sort of order in a majority African-American city is one of the most bizarre things I've ever heard in my life.

Speaker 25 I mean, one of the things we all have to admit about what's happened over the past week or so here with the DC situation is that Donald Trump seems to be the first person in a long time who's really cared about any of these people in this city.

Speaker 25 Like we've had a lot of people who have, there have been a lot of mayors, a lot of, I mean, a lot of, I mean, I don't know, maybe Marion Berry was the person who initially introduced Hunter Biden to crack.

Speaker 25 I'm not sure. But people who really, really enjoyed substances

Speaker 25 cared about crime, committing it often in hotel rooms.

Speaker 25 But like, you know, that stat that I was talking about before really hit me this week as I was going through all this DC stuff. A 10-block area is responsible for 14% of the murders in that city.

Speaker 25 It's impossible to understand how this has not been addressed before.

Speaker 23 What happened? How do you stop going there?

Speaker 18 That's what happened in Chicago.

Speaker 17 The cops do not go in the south side of Chicago. They let the gang members kill each other.
And if you're not a gang member, you're exposed, right? You have no posse to have your back.

Speaker 17 And kids get killed, drive-by shootings on their porches, in their homes, at the community center. Those who helped them get shot.

Speaker 17 It's like most cops in these terrible, terrible areas have washed their hands of it. And Trump is actually looking at it saying, no, I'm actually going to send somebody in there.

Speaker 17 And by the way, what we're hearing from black business owners in D.C. and elsewhere is, write on, do this.

Speaker 17 Here's one black business owner who reacted to this narrative from the media. Crime is down.
Crime is down. D.C.
is, you know, some sort of Eden. SAFOR.

Speaker 12 And the city keeps saying crime is down, but do you feel safe?

Speaker 18 No, I don't think so.

Speaker 12 Crime is down.

Speaker 18 Crime is off. NBC.

Speaker 18 I don't tell that lie.

Speaker 17 Total lie. So you have an Indian person and a black person saying total lie.

Speaker 25 Everybody knows it. This is what's so one of the really fascinating things about this back and forth is the media and the left have a certain,

Speaker 25 I believe they think it's a constitutional duty to just say the opposite of whatever Donald Trump is saying. So they are reactionary in that way.

Speaker 25 And in this particular situation, what Donald Trump is saying is that crime is bad in D.C. So they're forced to come up with some justification to say, no, it's not.
Actually, this is Disneyland.

Speaker 25 And that is, Donald Trump is really good at this. He's really good at putting people in positions that they should not be defending.

Speaker 25 Yes. There's no

Speaker 25 any person with eyes or nostrils, for that example, because a lot of the city smells too.

Speaker 25 Anybody who goes into Washington, dc knows that with the exception of very uh public areas where um a bunch of our representatives live uh and uh the mall and certain monuments it is a really tough city a lot of bad things happen everybody with eyes knows it and he's put them in a position to say you know the exact opposite of what everyone sees and knows and they are just dumb enough to do it right they're just dumb enough to come out there and say actually everything's great here and he's the one that's lying So, now here is the related controversy.

Speaker 17 We announced this when he did it back in, was it the end of March, I think, where Trump issued an executive order saying, we are going to take a hard look at the Smithsonian, which is several different museums and several different buildings and the museums in Washington, D.C.

Speaker 17 and we are going to cleanse them of their obsession with hatred for America.

Speaker 17 That doesn't mean we're getting rid of anything that speaks to some of the stains on our history, like the museums that were the pieces of the museums that talk about slavery or the civil rights movement and the conditions that led to it.

Speaker 17 That doesn't mean that at all. It's if you go into these museums, there is a general infection by DEI.

Speaker 17 And I can speak to this personally because I went with my family in April of 2023 and came back on the air and talked about it as soon as it happened. Like, what's what's going on?

Speaker 17 This was right around the time where they added the trigger warning.

Speaker 17 If you wanted to look at the national archive documents like our Declaration and our Constitution, you had to get a trigger warning because, you know, they're obviously in the Constitution, we didn't treat blacks as full citizens when we first were born, and that was rectified later.

Speaker 17 Anyway, so

Speaker 17 during that madness that the country was suffering, it infected our museums.

Speaker 17 And Trump issued this executive order, and they're now getting around to actually doing it, to going into the museums, taking a look at these exhibits, and trying to clean them up.

Speaker 17 And there's going to be interviews by Trump administration officials with all the curators of these museums, and they don't like it, Stu.

Speaker 17 They don't like that he took over the Kennedy Center and tried to de-wokeify it, the awards that are now being given there. You cannot get if you're woke.
Trump said that personally.

Speaker 17 And at the Smithsonian and the other museums, we are not going to let you DEI our history and re-examine every bit of it through your woke lens. It's just not going to happen.

Speaker 17 So there was an extraordinary exchange on CNN last night where Abby Phillip, who never misses a chance to bash the country's race relations and is part of the problem in creating bad ones,

Speaker 17 had she jumped all over Jillian Michaels,

Speaker 17 who it's been fun to watch. I love Jillian.
She's coming out of her like liberal bubble.

Speaker 17 And her journey is not yet complete, but she's kind of, she's over the past few years, she's really started to get it. Like, wait a minute, I think I've been really misled by my side.

Speaker 17 And she's getting red-pilled by the day. She's awesome, I love her.
But so, she's on CNN on that panel, and she tries to defend what Trump's doing at the Smithsonian.

Speaker 17 And she's noticed, too, what I was just saying. And here's how that went.

Speaker 17 We're now literally reviewing parts of American history and parts of American culture to make sure it comports with dearly. Surely Riganson.

Speaker 19 Can we address some of those things that are out there?

Speaker 17 Because have you looked at some of the things that are being released?

Speaker 17 Yeah, slavery was a bad thing that we should talk about.

Speaker 19 Okay, like he forgot about

Speaker 19 Washington slavery. So he's not.

Speaker 17 He's not. No,

Speaker 17 he's not. And you cannot tie imperialism and racism and slavery to just one race.
Which is pretty much what every single exhibit does. Do you know that only less than 2% of white Americans own slaves?

Speaker 27 But it was a system of white supremacy.

Speaker 19 You know, that slavery is thousands of years old.

Speaker 16 White people were sold. Do you know who

Speaker 19 the first race to try to end slavery?

Speaker 17 What are you saying is incorrect by

Speaker 19 saying that it was white people oppressing

Speaker 17 every single thing is like oh no no no this is all because white people bad and that's just not the truth there's one called change your game has been an installation there is gender testing fair in sports does that and then it goes on to talk about how it's complex to do gender testing in sports it's not complex it's basic science so it's look it's it's been completely captured first of all i i don't know and it's totally we don't see first of all we don't have time to litigate politics we don't because then you're gonna to do the argument.

Speaker 17 And now everything I'm racialized, just like you're trying to do to me now.

Speaker 18 Good for her.

Speaker 17 Thoughts on it? Yes.

Speaker 25 That was awesome. Yeah, that's, I mean, it's, it's, it's a complicated picture when it comes to trying to just blame slavery on one race.
It's just not true.

Speaker 25 I mean, like, slavery has existed since the beginning of man, and it's a really terrible thing. We all recognize it's a real stain on our history, and it is something that we should cover.

Speaker 25 That's a a really, really important thing that people understand about our country, largely because, number one, we were one of the

Speaker 25 one of the very first to rip ourselves out of that whole situation. Thankfully, you know, we have...

Speaker 17 The only country that's fought a war to end slavery.

Speaker 25 Yeah, right. And that's something to be proud of.

Speaker 25 And, you know, when you do something that is a stain on your history, correcting that stain is something that's really, really important and also part of your history.

Speaker 25 Also, part of your history is, for example, the first draft of the Declaration of Independence.

Speaker 25 There's a copy of it right across the parking lot from where I'm sitting at the Mercury One Museum, where they go deep into trying to end slavery before this nation even started.

Speaker 25 It was something that was a high priority of Thomas Jefferson, of people who, at the very beginning of our nation, looked to try to end it. There was some opposition.

Speaker 25 They wound up going in this situation to keep the original colonies together, you know, and eventually

Speaker 25 with a real, by the way, line to end it as soon as possible, which they eventually did.

Speaker 25 You know, I think it is, you don't look at slavery and say, oh, well, we should justify it. It wasn't that bad.
It was horrible.

Speaker 25 It's one of the worst things that people do to other people, and they continue to do it to other people all over the world. Right now,

Speaker 25 it's still occurring.

Speaker 25 So

Speaker 25 this museum has become exactly what she was describing there. It becomes this bizarre, sort of woke,

Speaker 25 left-wing self-punishment where you go in there and just think about how bad you are, when in reality, we are the greatest nation that's ever been. There's no apology for that.

Speaker 25 The same thing that happens with capitalism, where we sit here and we say, oh, well, there's this problem with capitalism, and there's this problem. Of course, there are problems with everything.

Speaker 25 We can sit here and look at the problems of capitalism and try to make it better, but we should also acknowledge it's ripped billions of people out of poverty poverty around the world.

Speaker 25 It's one of the greatest things that humans have ever accomplished.

Speaker 25 It's happened within our lifetime, and nobody notices because we're complaining about, you know, what statue is in some park in Alabama. None of this,

Speaker 25 it doesn't make any sense the way that we handle these things.

Speaker 25 And I think what we should do is look at them with perspective, recognize that we've made mistakes, try to use those as examples of things to avoid forever, and learn the lesson of those things.

Speaker 25 And Megan, one of the central lessons of slavery is we shouldn't judge people by the color of their skin.

Speaker 25 And for the last, you know, certainly since the George Floyd situation in prominence, the left has tried to recreate a situation in which that's the way we run our society.

Speaker 25 Everybody looks at each other and says, what skin color are you? Okay, now we can judge what you can do, what colleges you can get into, what jobs you can get. That was the sort of thing we were...

Speaker 25 supposed to be running away from. They're trying to push us back.

Speaker 17 And I do think, at least since, I don't know, 2023 or so, we've made great progress moving the opposite direction but there is still a lot of work to do as that clip shows no it's it's amazing like you we went down as I said and we went to a bunch of the museums and what you get over and over again is like okay you know they lean in they want to spend all the time on slavery and Jim Crow like it's

Speaker 17 there's an emphasis on the worst pieces of our past. It's like they get off on it.

Speaker 17 And then conversely, you see like a huge celebration everywhere you go of like women who did this, you know, like women, women who flew. Women, it's like, that's okay.

Speaker 17 We get it. There were some women who did some great things and that's awesome.
I have nothing against women.

Speaker 17 But let's be honest, that's not the dominant story when we're talking about our country's history and flight. You know, there are a couple who stood out.
We get it. Amelia Earhart and some others.

Speaker 17 But like, that's not the story. But you, you wouldn't know that.
You know, like you go down and like, you've always got to be told, what black person did something? What woman did something?

Speaker 17 What gay person did something? It's like, can we just know what, can we have the bigger picture, please?

Speaker 17 Can we have like the story and maybe like a corner is devoted to what some minority participated in or how they contributed and try not to make the whole story about that because you feel the need to elevate or to center the conversation around some oppressed group.

Speaker 17 That's what the Smithsonian has done.

Speaker 17 And I really hope that Trump and his team take a hard look at it and do what they say they're going to do because it's unnecessary and it's pandering and it feels cheap and false.

Speaker 18 All right,

Speaker 17 let's keep going.

Speaker 17 Let's keep going. I want to talk about Justice Smollett because I said I would and it's such a good story.
So he is resurfacing Stu. Not content to have suffered utter humiliation on a national scale.

Speaker 17 And I told the audience this a week ago when we did a Long Kelly's court on what's about to happen. Netflix is coming out with a new quote documentary, which is more like a mockumentary.

Speaker 17 It's not a documentary. This sounds like utter bullshit, what they're about to do, trying to rehabilitate Justice Mollett.

Speaker 17 They say they're just going to reframe the story in a way that you can decide what's real. Okay, we've decided.
We know he was prosecuted criminally.

Speaker 17 What he claims is that there's a videotape we've never seen before stew that's going to show that he was telling the truth all along and that he actually discussed said videotape on the eve of his trial with his lawyers.

Speaker 17 But his lawyers said, Oh, you know, we've kind of already settled on our defense. We're not going to use that videotape.

Speaker 18 Okay.

Speaker 17 So they let him be tried and convicted, even though they had a silver bullet of a videotape showing he was telling the truth. So now he's out there again and he's making these claims publicly.

Speaker 17 Hold on, let me just pull what he is saying so you can have the very, very latest.

Speaker 17 This is the headline in Variety. He slams Chicago PD Rahm Emmanuel, who was the mayor of Chicago at the time, as villains while denying that he committed a hate crime hoax and mounting a comeback.

Speaker 17 My story, he says, has never changed. Smellette names his quote villains as the two people who assaulted me.

Speaker 17 Do you mean the two men you paid to assault you, the Osandario brothers, Jussie, the Chicago Police Department, and if I may be so brave, the mayor, he says.

Speaker 14 He

Speaker 17 goes on to say, stand by,

Speaker 17 flipping the page here.

Speaker 17 Okay, this is from the Netflix documentary.

Speaker 17 He, when asked why potentially, this potentially exculpatory evidence did not surface earlier, quote, to be honest with you, I don't really know. I'm not an investigative reporter or a detective.

Speaker 17 I can't sit and tell you exactly beat by beat what happened. I can only tell you what did not happen.

Speaker 17 And what did not happen is the story that's been out there for almost seven years, that somehow I would have even a reason to do something as egregious as this.

Speaker 17 Now, here is what actually happened per the two brothers

Speaker 17 who have gone on record with law enforcement and with the rest of the world as having been paid $3,500 by Jesse Smollett to attack him in this hoax. They're on record.

Speaker 17 Here they are in a Fox Nation documentary, which is a true documentary and literally one of the greatest things to ever hit the screen.

Speaker 17 Here it is.

Speaker 26 We made sure we got there at 2 a.m., sharp.

Speaker 32 On the dot. On the dot.
We had no phones because he did not want us to bring any phones. He said, so we don't lose them.
I don't know if that's really the reason. We waited here for about what?

Speaker 35 Four minutes. It was about four minutes.

Speaker 32 But it felt like forever. Because it was cold as balls.
As we crossed the street, we said, hey, to get his attention.

Speaker 16 Hey, Nick. Hey.

Speaker 32 He turned around, looked at us, and that's when we started yelling the famous slurs he wanted us to yell.

Speaker 16 Hey, aren't you that empire?

Speaker 35 It's MAGA country.

Speaker 32 And then he said, what did you say to me? And then that's when I threw the first punch at him.

Speaker 32 I held the blow because I didn't want to hurt him, of course. So I made it look real, but I held it.
And we started tussling,

Speaker 32 moving around, and then I threw him to the ground.

Speaker 32 He wanted it to look like he fought back that was very important for him because he said hey don't just beat my ass make it look like i'm fighting back and whatnot so we did that and then

Speaker 32 fought around and while after i threw him to the ground i he had no bruise i wanted it to look more real so then i threw him to the ground after i threw him to the ground i used my knuckle and gave him a noogie that's where i came around with the bleach the infamous bleach in the hot sauce bottle poured it on his shirt.

Speaker 32 Then I finally put the rope around his face. I did not put it around his neck.
I just placed it on his face.

Speaker 16 And that's when we...

Speaker 17 So, Stu Brageer, why is Netflix allowing this nonsense?

Speaker 25 I don't know. First of all, how have I never seen that special before? I have to go back and watch this.

Speaker 25 It's incredible.

Speaker 25 Yeah, I mean, look, it wasn't just these guys were, too, right? Like, there was a lot of evidence in this case that showed this is what happened. Yeah.

Speaker 25 Like, why is he, why would he be writing a check to his own attackers? It's very, very strange.

Speaker 25 And why would he be out having a Subway sandwich in the middle of the very cold night at 2 in the morning? Who knows? I suppose Subway, you know, they've got an attack on an officer.

Speaker 25 They've got the Jesse Salut thing coming back. I suppose Subway is saying, at least they're not talking about Jared anymore.

Speaker 22 We at least have that going for us.

Speaker 17 Let's not forget the most infamous crime associated with anybody touching Subway. We don't even want to go there.

Speaker 17 Supergear, I can't wait for the documentary to come out because I'm sure we're going to have a lot to say as we have with you today. Thank you, my friend, for being here.

Speaker 25 Thank you so much, Megan.

Speaker 17 All right, we're back tomorrow with a deep dive on the truth on Russia Gate. We are taking on the New York Times directly.
See you then.

Speaker 17 Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

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