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Speaker 12 Welcome Welcome to the Megan Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM channel 111 every weekday at Noon East.

Speaker 12 Hey, everyone, I'm Megan Kelly. Welcome to the Megan Kelly Show and happy Monday.
Hope everyone had a great weekend.

Speaker 12 We have tons of stories to get to today that cross over from the political to the cultural arenas. The Sydney Sweeney American Eagle ad campaign has made its way to the White House.

Speaker 12 President Trump, just today, he's got lots of thoughts. He put it out in a true social post this morning that includes comments on Sweeney, on Bud Light,

Speaker 12 on Taylor Swift,

Speaker 12 and more. We're going to get to it.

Speaker 12 And everyone's favorite political liability, Kamala Harris, has soft-launched her book tour with a repeat appearance on the soon-to-be-canceled Stephen Colbert late-night show.

Speaker 12 Because when you find out that a show has no ratings, that's where you go to launch your book. She has not changed at all.

Speaker 12 We've got the perfect guest joining us for the full show today, Michael Knowles, host of the Daily Wire's Michael Knowles show.

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Speaker 12 Michael, welcome back. Great to have you.

Speaker 11 Great to be with you, Megan. Thank you for having me.

Speaker 12 There's a lot to go over. Oh, so much.
Why don't we just start with Kamala because it's just so fun and it's Monday, so everybody needs a little fun.

Speaker 12 She's launching this book and she's trying to make it sound like there are some real nuggets in there, some really exciting things. And hold on a second.

Speaker 12 This is the tease for what's going to get us really excited to buy her book, 107 Days. Here's Sot 8.

Speaker 13 I mean,

Speaker 13 there's a lot of personal stuff in the book. I mean,

Speaker 13 poor Dougie.

Speaker 11 You almost let off the dog. What's wrong?

Speaker 13 For example,

Speaker 13 my birthday's in October. The election's in November.

Speaker 13 You see where I'm going?

Speaker 12 No, no one does.

Speaker 13 And Docie kind of dropped the ball at my big birthday.

Speaker 11 He didn't get you anything?

Speaker 12 Oh, you have to read the book.

Speaker 11 All right.

Speaker 14 Just tell me the page.

Speaker 11 Tell me the page.

Speaker 12 It's all classic Kamala. The weird, drunk-sounding giggling at absolutely nothing, saying nothing, nothing clever, nothing amusing.

Speaker 12 Her weirdness is somewhat amusing, but she and her substantive comments are not. Her, her tease, oh, we've got to, we've got to read the book to find out if he didn't get her a present.

Speaker 12 Who gives a flying fig?

Speaker 12 She's off socially in like a very weird way, continues to be, Michael, and yet the reports persist that the reason she didn't run for governor of California is she's using this book to soft-launch her 2028 presidential run.

Speaker 11 Your thoughts? Megan, I don't, I guess you and I differ here. I'm on the edge of my seat.
What did he or did he not get her for her birthday?

Speaker 11 This is almost certainly the most exciting thing in the book. You know, the book is called, what, 107 Days? The Life and Times, The Rollicking Campaign of Kamala Harris.

Speaker 11 My first book that I ever put out is called Reasons to Vote for Democrats, a comprehensive guide. It has no words in it, and it is the number one national bestseller.

Speaker 11 It almost certainly has the exact same content as Kamala's book, because what could she possibly write about? No one voted for her. No one wanted her to be the nominee.

Speaker 11 The only reason she got it is because her boss made the mistake of going on television and showing everyone that his brain didn't work anymore. So she was the only person who could fill it.

Speaker 11 No one at that point even wanted her to be the president.

Speaker 11 And then she kept making a lot of mistakes but not even interesting mistakes kind of boring mistakes like she just she was just boring on the trail and then she lost what could you possibly have in the book in her defense this was a cheap cash grab

Speaker 11 And she got whatever the advance was, and now she's got to go through the charade of selling the books. Going on the Colbert show is just as good as going on any show.

Speaker 11 She could go on the top-rated show in the country. No one's going to buy this book.
So

Speaker 11 you're perhaps right that she's trying to soft-launch a presidential campaign. I'm a little bit more cynical about it, maybe.

Speaker 11 I think this is a cash grab for a desperate, gasping politician whose career is over, whether she knows it or not.

Speaker 11 I think the reason she didn't run for governor of California is she could lose because nobody likes her. In her defense, she is very good at behind-the-scenes politics.

Speaker 11 I'm not even making Willie Brown jokes. I mean, she's good at wielding the levers of power and insinuating herself with all sorts of political elites.

Speaker 11 In terms of retail politics, the woman could not get herself elected dog catcher in Palocaville. And so maybe she's got some delusion that she's going to run for president in 2028.

Speaker 11 Ain't going to happen. Take the money and run, Kamala.

Speaker 12 Maybe behind the scenes, her little, I eat no for breakfast, works on these weak-kneed Democrat donors who are like, yeah, I like it. I like it.

Speaker 12 Look at this, a strong black woman who eats no for breakfast.

Speaker 12 Here's my checkbook here's a little bit more of how she's titillating us explaining the photo in her book of her from the day Joe Biden dropped out watch this up night

Speaker 13 that day July 21st 2024

Speaker 13 was a Sunday and it was

Speaker 13 my family was staying with us and including my baby nieces my niece's children I call them my baby nieces

Speaker 13 and we had a really wonderful breakfast again I talk about what that day is but

Speaker 13 and then I get the call from Joe

Speaker 13 and immediately that's the dining room at the vice president's residence and immediately my incredible team and I'm just my incredible team they just people just started coming

Speaker 13 and we turned it into a war room and I made over a hundred calls that day I rolled calls And that's me on a call. So you'll see my phone is actually on my lap.

Speaker 13 And I'm, and you know, I, so I know I've been teased about this, but I like these kinds of earpods that have the thing

Speaker 13 because

Speaker 13 I've served on the Senate Intelligence Committee.

Speaker 13 I have been in classified briefings, and I'm telling you, like, don't be on the train using your earpods and thinking somebody can't listen to your conversation.

Speaker 13 I'm just telling you, that's a little bit more secure.

Speaker 12 Oh, my God. Oh, my God.
Michael, your face is exactly how I feel. He's got a listening audience.
He's got the hand over his mouth and a furrowed brow.

Speaker 12 Trying to understand how she came within a whisper of the presidency, this woman, Michael.

Speaker 11 This is what happens when your entire life is just bred in a Petri dish to appeal to the lowest common denominator of lowercase D Democratic politics, is there's just nothing interesting about you.

Speaker 11 I mean, say what you will about Trump, but the fact that Trump became a politician only 10 years ago, the fact that he was a boisterous billionaire playboy, real estate mogul, TV star, he's really interesting.

Speaker 11 Even people who hate him just find him attractive. It's like a moth to a flame.
Our attention just

Speaker 11 whereas with Kamala, she was raised to never say anything offensive, to just appeal to the most normy, plain, whitebread, spaghetti dinner kind of constituent.

Speaker 11 And so the most interesting thing she can talk about are the chords that come out of her headphones. But I want to go back to the first part of the clip.
She says, and I was sitting there.

Speaker 11 I was sitting there.

Speaker 11 And then I got the call, and I turned my dining room into a war room.

Speaker 11 What war exactly?

Speaker 11 So is this like, you know, I don't know, Czechoslovakia just before the Nazi tanks rolled in? What war room? This was the worst side in a war I've ever seen.

Speaker 11 I mean, I I guess she sort of put up a fight, but she got absolutely steamrolled.

Speaker 11 So I don't really get ultimately what the point of the book is other than as a cash grab for her retirement plan because

Speaker 11 she got clobbered. I mean, the campaign was poorly run, even by Democrat standards.
Even insiders will admit that.

Speaker 11 She lost to Trump, who, to bring up the Hitler analogy again, all of the people around her said was Hitler.

Speaker 11 But then Trump not only managed to win, he won with the popular vote for the first time as a Republican in 20 years. I mean, it was just such an historic drubbing.
Why does she want to rehash it?

Speaker 12 Yeah, well, she thinks she's interesting.

Speaker 12 This is what I find interesting about her: is

Speaker 12 how empty she is. The only time she really gets animated is when she talks about race, abortion, or herself.
Truly,

Speaker 12 I'm a connoisseur now of this woman's commentary. And those are the three things that really light her up.
And like the giggling about when she gets to herself, I call them my baby nieces.

Speaker 12 Like, that's something special about me. I have this term of endearment about my two nieces.

Speaker 12 I see I put the word baby in front of them.

Speaker 11 They're nieces, but they're also babies. You're saying, I'm just so quirky.
I decided to put it together.

Speaker 12 That's what I do. That's my thing.
And then she gets equally animated when she gets to her stupid AirPod choice. Like, I know, I know things.

Speaker 12 I've been told I'm special. I have briefings, and I can just tell you,

Speaker 12 get the ones that have the thing, okay? The ones that have the thing. It's ridiculous, but she comes alive.

Speaker 12 On the subject of me,

Speaker 12 yes. Oh, this is actually, I have a button on this.
Reminds me of this gal from Legally Blonde.

Speaker 11 That's Kavala.

Speaker 11 A man wrapped up in himself makes a small package indeed, Megan. And I suppose you're right.

Speaker 11 What's so disturbing about it is not just that a politician would make an anodyne remark or observation and then pretend that that were edgy. That's actually pretty typical.

Speaker 11 Politician on the trail, you know, listen, I'm going to get a little blue here. I'm going to loosen my collar and say that I like beer.

Speaker 11 You know, that's the kind of thing that a politician will try to say to ingratiate himself. But they're always joking.
You know, Bill Clinton goes out, you know, I really love fast food.

Speaker 11 And, you know, that's like the 500th sketchiest thing about the guy. He doesn't generally bring up the pot in the UK and all the women or anything like that.
But with Kamala,

Speaker 12 that's not the only fast thing he likes.

Speaker 11 Am I right?

Speaker 11 The problem, though, with Kamala is it seems as though this actually is the edgiest, most titillating

Speaker 11 part about her. You know, there is,

Speaker 11 I remember she went on the breakfast club during the campaign, or maybe it was even on the previous campaign when she was running for vice president, and she said that she loved listening to Snoop Dogg in college.

Speaker 11 And you can just look at the timeline. Snoop Dogg had not come out with his debut album while she was in college, so it was either a false memory or she just made it up.

Speaker 11 And I thought, man, lady, you're not even edgy enough to listen to Snoop.

Speaker 11 I mean, legitimately, when she talked about how she liked to put pepper on her chicken in that cringe-inducing video of Tim Walls during the campaign, that I think that actually is her.

Speaker 11 And I think that's even worse than being dishonest.

Speaker 12 I agree. I don't think it is that she

Speaker 12 has been taught not to touch anything radioactive and that she's been like schooled in this leftist field of don't offend, don't touch any, you know, third rails. I think she's empty inside.

Speaker 12 There's nothing there. She's advanced.
I mean, we, you mentioned Willie Brown. We know how she advanced originally.

Speaker 12 And then after that, she wrote a cultural wave of black, Indian, and a woman all the way to the vice presidency. And it almost got her the presidency.

Speaker 12 If it weren't for Donald Trump, it could have happened.

Speaker 12 So like she didn't need anything more. She's been empty inside with nothing interesting.
And it's not a surprise. She didn't live a life before becoming a politician.

Speaker 12 It's like I always worry about people who become journalists without having had a life before getting here.

Speaker 12 Like you need to have done something to teach yourself about the world that you want to report on. And same for a politician.

Speaker 12 You need to have done something to teach yourself about the world that you now want to legislate on or lead. And she hasn't done it.
She is an empty vessel.

Speaker 11 There's a word here for this that we're sorely lacking in our present culture, which is magnanimity. Going back to classical antiquity, there was this idea of greatness of soul.

Speaker 11 And I was reading a comment by the great Harvard law professor Adrian Vermuel the other day, where he said, I wonder if you could meet a European noble from before the 16th century, I think we would be shocked and terrified by the greatness of his cruelty and the greatness of his gentility.

Speaker 11 That he'd be as brutal as anybody who's ever lived, but also as courteous and chivalric as anybody who's ever lived.

Speaker 11 And we we just can't take that these days because it seems as though people have become smaller. You know,

Speaker 11 one can have greatness of soul in a grotesque and horrifying way, but at least there's something there. And one can also be one of the great saints of history.

Speaker 11 But when it comes to these modern politicians, and sadly for Kamala, she's the exemplar of it, it just seems like

Speaker 11 she's just smaller. She's not that bad.
She's not that good.

Speaker 11 She's just not much of anything at all.

Speaker 12 She's a shell. And there's nothing there.
There's nothing there to hate. There's nothing there to love.
There's only something there to mock or pretend about.

Speaker 12 And half of us did one and half of us did the other when she was running for president. And now, I mean, they are saying that she's got the number one slot going into the imaginary primary.

Speaker 12 We're not there yet, but it'll come before you know it.

Speaker 12 Among damn names. Now, that's because she has the greatest name recognition, but that she is above above all of them.

Speaker 12 There are some others creeping up like Newsom and AOC. And I do want to talk about AOC because I think what's happening with the Democrat Party is interesting and the Democrat Socialists of America.

Speaker 12 But Kamala, it's still technically hers to lose.

Speaker 12 And what would happen if she actually got in, if she has the hubris, you know, if she believes what everybody's told her, which is she's clever and she's special and she can do it and she's destined to be the first female president, is she's going to get eaten alive by her own party.

Speaker 12 We're We're never going to have the fun of kicking her around again, Michael, because the Democrat Party will stop her, because unlike when she was anointed for her 107 days, they have the chance to stop it this time.

Speaker 12 And they know, no matter what they say to you and me, they know she cannot do it. She'll get killed in the primary.

Speaker 11 I love that you say this word technically.

Speaker 11 She's technically the frontrunner in the Democrat presidential primary, which is probably true, but it's like being the tallest guy on the Oompa Lumpa basketball team.

Speaker 11 It's just the field has not taken shape. The biggest candidates right now are her, Gavin Newsome, American Psycho, you know, government, Governor Bateman over there in California.

Speaker 11 You've got AOC, I guess. You've got, who? Mayor Pete? Give me a break.
It's ridiculous. So this hasn't taken shape.
These guys just got completely destroyed in November, including the popular vote.

Speaker 11 That's going nowhere. The one thing Kamala has going for her right now is

Speaker 11 that the Democrats don't don't know what they believe. They don't know what they believe about trade.
They don't know what they believe about workers' rights.

Speaker 11 They don't know what they believe about the border and crime. They don't know what they believe about Israel and Gaza.
They don't know what they believe about anything.

Speaker 11 And the one thing Kamala has going for her is she stands for nothing. So AOC, lover or hater, she does kind of stand for something.

Speaker 11 If the Dems double down on wokeness, then she is a very legitimate presidential candidate. Gavin Newsom is extremely liberal, but he's also trying to be friends with Charlie Kirk and Steve Bannon.

Speaker 11 He's also trying to be a weather vane and such that you can't nail him down. But Kamala right now, by being the least person,

Speaker 11 I guess is technically the frontrunner.

Speaker 12 Yes. Yes.
No, I agree with you. You're right.

Speaker 12 Totally agree. But we'll see because those others are sort of ascending.
You know, AOC hasn't run for president yet. Neither has Gavin Newsom.
She's old news.

Speaker 12 You know, she's stale, and she's got the albatross around her neck of Joe Biden and his mental acuity problems. This came up a little, her failure to differentiate herself from him.

Speaker 12 And Mark Halperin is at reporting today.

Speaker 12 If she tries to do that in running for 2028, if now she chooses to say, oh, you know, Joe Biden, he was yesterday's news and I was respectful, but let me tell you, I had a lot of differences with him.

Speaker 12 And, you know, behind the scenes, she'd have somebody release, like, I also knew he wasn't all there. He said that they're going to kill her.

Speaker 12 The Biden team will unleash, he said, pale and esque stories about her, which is completely easy to believe, that she was a fool behind the scenes, that she knew nothing.

Speaker 12 No one believes she knows anything about anything, please. And they're ready to stick that knife in her, but here she is being asked about how she didn't differentiate herself in Saud 11.

Speaker 14 That must have been difficult because you have to differentiate yourself as a candidate, and yet you respect this man who you're still working for at the same time. What was that like to navigate?

Speaker 13 I talk about that extensively in the book.

Speaker 13 No, no, and I.

Speaker 11 It's in the chapter with Doug.

Speaker 13 No, it's it's because

Speaker 13 and I and I say that because you're raising something that you and I both know is requires a lot of a lot more time than we probably have right now to talk about

Speaker 11 are we in a hurry?

Speaker 15 Are we in a hurry, guys?

Speaker 11 Thanks, everyone.

Speaker 13 I

Speaker 13 feel very strongly that

Speaker 13 I mean it's an instinct of mine to be

Speaker 13 someone who does not participate in piling on.

Speaker 11 Oh my goodness.

Speaker 13 And I was not going to pile on.

Speaker 13 And I just wasn't going to do that. And there was a lot of piling on at that time, and I wasn't going to participate in that.

Speaker 11 Michael. We weren't piling off.
We were piling. We weren't.
And there was.

Speaker 11 It was like going to the corner. She was running for president.

Speaker 12 She was running for president. The question was really simple.
Like, how are you different than him? Than he, like, how it is. And you can see when she glitches.
Long pause,

Speaker 12 awkwardly long. And then back to I and me.
It's always I and me. That's where she's, you know, most comfortable.

Speaker 12 I have this policy. I have this thing

Speaker 12 about piling on. This, it's another thing that makes me special, like my AirPods.

Speaker 12 And I am against piling on, which is why I was a total fucking fool whenever anybody asked me that question, including you, Stephen Colbert. We polled when he asked her about it.

Speaker 12 It was after the view had asked her about it. And she glitched live on Stephen Colbert the first time.

Speaker 12 Here she glitched again, but here's the OG in SOT 15B.

Speaker 14 Polling shows that a lot of people, especially independent voters, really want this to be a change election and that they tend to break for you in terms of thinking about change.

Speaker 14 You are a member of the president administration.

Speaker 14 Under a Harris administration, what would the major changes be and what would stay the same?

Speaker 13 Sure. Well, I mean, I'm obviously not Joe Biden.

Speaker 13 I know. And so

Speaker 13 that would be one change in terms of.

Speaker 13 But also, I think it's important to say with, you know, 28 days to go, I'm not Donald Trump.

Speaker 13 And so when we think about the significance of what this next generation of of leadership looks like, were I to be elected president, it is about,

Speaker 13 frankly,

Speaker 13 I love the American people, and I believe in our country.

Speaker 13 I love that it is our character and nature to be an ambitious people.

Speaker 11 You know, we have aspirations.

Speaker 13 We have dreams.

Speaker 13 We have incredible work ethic.

Speaker 13 And I just believe that we can create and build upon the success we've achieved in a way that we continue to grow opportunity and in that way grow the strength of our nation.

Speaker 11 No.

Speaker 11 I can't even, I have to, I'll poke my eyes through my finger. I can't even watch it.
It is the scene from The Simpsons when Bart didn't do his book report or it was a report on Libya or something.

Speaker 11 And he just starts making things up and stringing words together. And, you know, in short, Libya is a land of contradictions it it is so my

Speaker 11 question

Speaker 11 after

Speaker 11 the first clip is did she even read the book does she even read her own book I'm not did she read the book I can't imagine she wrote it I doubt she's read it but but then after the OG clip I guess the question

Speaker 11 that you if you're this kind of politician that you would have to ask yourself at the end of your career at the end of your life is

Speaker 11 what was it for

Speaker 11 What was it for? Is it to fly around on Air Force One? Is it to be in the White House? The White House is very beautiful in many ways. It's also a government building.

Speaker 11 There are nicer buildings than the White House.

Speaker 11 Is it what, if you don't believe anything, if you don't have any clear conception of the good, if you have no view of anything that you want to do, if you don't even know what America is,

Speaker 11 Why are you a politician? Is it the money or the fame? There are easier ways to make money and get fame. Like,

Speaker 11 why is this woman? Why does she exist?

Speaker 12 Because she was told early on, you know, it's not your time. And don't you let them.
Don't you let them, Michael Knowles.

Speaker 12 Eat no for breakfast. You just keep eating and eating and eating until you're full.
You're finally full of yourself.

Speaker 12 She claimed to Colbert that she really just wants to sit on the sideline now. She doesn't want to go.
I can't play any more comala soundbites. Michael's going to leave.

Speaker 12 She says, though, I don't want to go back into a broken system. I just want, I've been on the inside for so many years.
What I really want to do now is travel the country and talk to people.

Speaker 12 Listen to people. Okay, so literally nobody wants to talk to her.
And even fewer want to actually listen to her. And this was CNN's Harry Enton, the data guru, reacting to that claim.
Watch this.

Speaker 16 Can't possibly believe that someone who was Attorney General for a good period of time, a United States Senator for a good period of time, and then vice president for four years and then ran for president, all of a sudden believes that the best way to solve it is from being outside the system.

Speaker 16 Oh, please, not a chance on God's green earth that that's necessarily the case. What's probably going on is she saw what the polling numbers were, perhaps, for her running for governor of California.

Speaker 16 Yes, she has left open the idea that maybe she could run in 2028 for the Democratic nomination, but I'll tell you, Abby, I've looked at those numbers. She would be the weakest front runner since 1992.

Speaker 16 So the bottom line is this. She's looking at the numbers.
She knows what's cooking. And then all of a sudden, you know what? Actually, this lifelong politician, I want to be outside this system.

Speaker 10 Give me a break.

Speaker 12 Totally agree with every word.

Speaker 11 Of course, of course. You know, she

Speaker 11 right now is giving me the vibes of a weaker Sarah Palin. You know, say what you will about Sarah Palin.
Sarah Palin did believe things in her career and she actually

Speaker 11 had charisma. I mean she she had much more political talent than Kamala Harris and more political purpose and yet after 2008 it was pretty clear that was a very bruising race McCain Palin.

Speaker 11 Her political future was very much in doubt. And so she kept teasing, maybe I'll run in 2012.
Maybe I'll run for this. Maybe I'll run for that.

Speaker 11 And she was teasing it to keep herself in the public square, but it was not going to happen.

Speaker 11 And I think that's what's going on here with Kamala, minus the charisma, minus the political purpose, and minus the plausibility.

Speaker 12 Yeah, it's incredible to me. She has nothing else to do.
She wrote a book. I'm sure she's getting millions for it.
It's not going to sell well.

Speaker 12 And she thinks this is soft launch for 2028 when she'll have longer than 107 days. And you know what else she's going to have?

Speaker 12 Like I said, Democrat knives pointed for her because they didn't have a choice last time around many were desperately calling for a primary but you know

Speaker 11 bottom up bottom up as chuck shubert so falsely said she was chosen and um they got stuck with her okay i want to stay on the demo again just one last point on this the title 107 days is as you are implying an excuse as to why she lost last time she won't win this time Does anyone think that she would have done better with more time?

Speaker 11 Does anyone think day 107 was better than day one? No way. No chance.

Speaker 12 Just Kamala. She's the only one and maybe her inane, inept campaign manager, Jen O'Malley Dillon, who absolutely sucked and blew $2 billion

Speaker 12 on nothing, on a huge air sandwich that the best thing she managed to do was get labeled a brat, brat summer, in a way that we were supposed to think was favorable.

Speaker 11 Okay.

Speaker 12 Doug Schoen, my old pal, he's a Fox News contributor and a Democrat, lifelong Democrat. And he is making the case for AOC, why AOC could take the White House in 2028, not just the Dem nomination.

Speaker 12 And Kamala Harris won't. He says AOC appears to be the frontrunner for the presidential nomination if she foregoes a Senate campaign, because there's a lot of buzz about her taking down Chuck Schumer.

Speaker 12 I say this for multiple reasons. First, it could be argued that she's even stronger than the other candidates at this moment in their careers or respective races.

Speaker 12 She talks about how she's better known and polling better than somebody like Barack Obama, that he looks at 2020 and at that point,

Speaker 12 she's got better numbers at this point in this race than President Biden and Oprah had in 2020 and the speculation around that race.

Speaker 12 So that's interesting that she's polling higher at this point than even Biden was and he became the nominee. And then he says, okay, right now she ranks third.
according to Democratic primary polls.

Speaker 12 It's an aggregator he's citing. So this is like an average of them.
Behind only Pete Buttigieg and Gavin Newsom. Gavin Newsom's at 13%,

Speaker 12 and so is Pete Buttigieg. They're basically tied at 13.
And AOC is at 10%.

Speaker 12 This is when Harris, however, is not included. Then he points out when polls with Harris are included, the former VP gets 21%, so she's above everybody.

Speaker 12 But he says that's well below even a 30% barrier. Her support has dropped 14 points since January, whereas AOC's has gone up by 9%

Speaker 12 percentage points. So she was at one.
She's now at 10 because she's been out there on her fight the oligarchy tour, which she takes on a private jet. But she's been popular.

Speaker 12 She's been filling the seats. And this new brand of Democrat socialism is selling in certain corners.

Speaker 12 He says in individual polls where Harris and AOC are tested together, AOC holds a four-point lead over the former VP, 19%. to Kamala Harris's 15%, according to Atlas Intel polling.

Speaker 12 Her favorability rating, again, per Atlas Intel, two points higher than President Trump's. She's at 46, he's at 44.
J.D. Vance, 42, Kamala Harris, 42.

Speaker 12 Now, AOC has not run for president, and that'll take a beating. That'll give a beating to your favorability, no matter who you are.

Speaker 12 And so, you know, query whether that's going to factor in more later. But in any event, she's also a dominant fundraiser.
She's able to generate enthusiasm.

Speaker 12 And he points out on the money raising front, she's raised more than $15 million in 2025, almost double Speaker Mike Johnson, with 99% of it coming from small dollar donors.

Speaker 12 That's fascinating, Michael Knowles, that she's on the rise, AOC, as is her brand of democracy, meaning socialism. And the old school, you know, air sandwich Kamala Harris, well, no.

Speaker 12 But even the Gavin Newsoms and the Pete Buddhajudges of the world, who are woke, they're woke leftists, are on the outs.

Speaker 11 AOC is a real presidential candidate, and she's probably the strongest candidate for the Democrat nomination in 2028.

Speaker 11 To me, it's clear as day. She's a much more persuasive candidate than Kamala or Pete Buttigieg.

Speaker 11 Newsom is talented because he manages to be somewhat likable, even while he is being caught in egregious lies, like going to French laundry when he shut down all the establishments in his own state of California, even when he's burning major cities to the ground through his incompetent politics.

Speaker 12 He's Nero.

Speaker 11 He's Nero. He is Nero.

Speaker 11 But he's pretty good looking. He's pretty articulate.
He's weirdly likable. He's not a bad candidate.

Speaker 11 In many ways, AOC is even better because AOC has the advantage of being able to run against her own party.

Speaker 11 And that can be very helpful in presidential politics. Ronald Reagan won by running against his own party.
Bill Clinton won by running against his own party.

Speaker 11 Barack Obama won by running against his own party. Donald Trump won by running against his own party.
So

Speaker 11 I think actually she's in a pretty good spot. And if she's debating between running for Senate in New York or running for president, she'd be much smarter to run for president.

Speaker 11 Because if you're running in New York, the Schumer machine is going to be very difficult to take down. People actually know her a little bit better in New York.

Speaker 11 They see that she's a liar and a fraud and would not be very very good for the state.

Speaker 12 Whereas congressional Kardashian?

Speaker 11 Yes, yes. I mean, she's kind of glitzy and glamorous on a national stage.
She's already making swings through places like Idaho

Speaker 11 on this tour with Bernie Sanders. So

Speaker 11 I hate to say it. It's sending a shiver down my spine.
I think she's a pretty strong presidential candidate.

Speaker 12 I said more so than Newsom and Buddha Judge. That's not correct, just correcting myself.
They technically have

Speaker 12 three percentage points ahead of her, but the point is simply she's on the rise without really having done much other than push her anti-oligarchy tour.

Speaker 12 Those two seem a lot more thirsty for the nomination, including Gavin Newsom actually going to South Carolina and doing all these podcasts and so on.

Speaker 12 So, you know, her stock is going up from her just doing her normal thing.

Speaker 12 On the Schumer front, Doug Schoen points out a poll conducted earlier this spring showed AOC leading Schumer by almost 20 points, 55 to 36.

Speaker 12 And he says Democrats would likely be encouraged by the idea of having a younger candidate than the 74-year-old incumbent. And so that's what brings me to these Democrat Socialists of America.

Speaker 12 Now, I have never paid too much attention to them. The main introduction I got to this group was when literally on 10-8,

Speaker 12 2023, the day after the disgusting, awful massacre in Israel, they gathered in Times Square, blaming it all on Israel and celebrating what had happened to the innocent Israeli babies.

Speaker 12 They thought it was fantastic. They were literally in the streets of Times Square celebrating it all and blaming it all on Israel.
Okay, who's that again? I said, Democrat who? Socialists of America.

Speaker 12 Now they've got, you know, I mean, that's what AOC is.

Speaker 12 It's effectively what Bernie Sanders is. It's 100% actually what Mom Dani is, the likely next mayor of New York City.
And now in New York, we have a group called the Democratic Socialists of America.

Speaker 12 That was the group that was out there in Times Square. And they're organized, they're enthused, they are feeling the wind at their backs because of Mom Dani.

Speaker 12 And they're explaining explicitly what they're all about.

Speaker 12 This was posted by somebody who works for the Manhattan Institute, who I guess bothered to go to their little convention and get tape of them talking about their plans. And this is Mom Dani's party.

Speaker 12 Okay. So when this guy, our understanding is he's extremely close to Mom Dani.
His name, you're going to hear the sound bait. His name is Daniel Goulden.

Speaker 12 He is a member of the New York City Democratic Socialists of America steering committee.

Speaker 12 And per Stu Smith, who's with the Manhattan Institute, who posted this, Stu says that this guy, Daniel Golden, worked on Momdani's campaign, helped write his platform when it comes to trans policy, says that he regularly meets with Momdani and Mamdani's staff, and said at this conference, quote, the Democratic Socialists of America have regular meetings with Momdani, let alone his team.

Speaker 12 His policy director is my friend, says this guy you're about to hear from. And I've been working with his campaign manager for well over a year.
Well, what is it they've been working on?

Speaker 12 Take a listen to this.

Speaker 18 Zoron is literally attempting to do what conservatives say,

Speaker 18 you know, we want to do, which is provide gender-affirming care to anyone who wants it for free.

Speaker 18 And we're going to like ship people, we're going to fly people in and pay for their hotel rooms, and we're going to do all of the like Fox news.

Speaker 18 But most importantly, we collaborated with the Zoron Mondani campaign on his trans rights platform.

Speaker 18 And what we explicitly wanted to do was use the power of New York City to provide free gender-affirming care, and I say free in case insurance companies decide to boot us off, free gender-affirming care, not just to people in New York City, but across the country.

Speaker 18 With Zoron,

Speaker 18 we're in basically the best possible position to seize state power that we can be in because,

Speaker 18 you know, we're like this, right? DSA has regular meetings with him, let alone his team. His policy director is my friend.
I've been working with his campaign manager for well over a year.

Speaker 18 New York City could provide trans health care for every trans person in the country who

Speaker 18 can't afford it. And

Speaker 18 it would be a blip on our radar.

Speaker 12 Okay. Just for listening audience, everybody on the panel was wearing a mask.
They were wearing a mask. This just happened.
This just happened.

Speaker 12 You couldn't quite hear him as well in the beginning because mid-comments, he took off his mask so we could hear.

Speaker 12 It was very important that we hear his comments that New York City is going to provide so-called gender-affirming care for everyone in the nation.

Speaker 12 That the plan is that they could be flown to New York. We would put them up in hotels.
They would be given, quote, free, meaning the taxpayers of New York City would pay for it.

Speaker 12 Chopping off of minors' penises. That's what you're going to be paying for if you live in New York with this Zoran Mamdani from the guy who says, we're like this with the fingers crossed.

Speaker 12 We're that tight. We're working with him.
We're the ones he got his platform from. This is horrifying.
And my question is, I love Andrew Schultz. He's a frequent guest of the show, and he's brilliant.

Speaker 12 He's been saying nice things about Mom Dani, and I get it. He's talking about affordability and so on.
And he's a lifelong Democrat now and Independent. I really want him to look at that.

Speaker 12 I want him to look at that and tell me how he feels about it because I trust his opinion on things like this. He's not a nutcase.
There's zero chance he supports this.

Speaker 12 And tell me how people are going to to vote for that. How, how, how, how.
Your thoughts, Michael?

Speaker 11 Looking at that clip, I am reminded that all stereotypes are true. It's always the ones you most expect.
If you told me, Michael, close your eyes, draw a picture of the Democrat Socialists meeting,

Speaker 11 I would have drawn exactly the image that we saw there.

Speaker 11 And the way that he's bragging about this is it's illustrative because he says, you know, these conservatives are always prattling on about how we want to trans everybody and fly people in and pay for for all these mutilating surgeries.

Speaker 11 And why don't we just do that? Why don't we just do that? That's what we do.

Speaker 11 He's saying, yes, they're right about us. We do want to do this.
Sometimes you'll hear Democrats say, oh, these Republicans are fear-mongering, and that's not real. No, no, no.

Speaker 11 Listen to the Democrat Socialist chief over there says, no, no, no, we do want to do that.

Speaker 11 And so the next squishy Democrat defense says, well, look, some people want to do this, but they don't have any real political power in the party.

Speaker 11 And what the Momdani election tells you is, yes, they do. They have taken over the the party in many ways.

Speaker 11 AOC is a top presidential candidate, and Momdani is probably going to be the next mayor of New York. So these people do have political power.

Speaker 11 When someone tells you who he is, believe him, the conservatives have been right about everything the whole time. In fact, this is just generally true of social conservatives.

Speaker 11 Any debate that pops up over abortion, over marriage, over trans, over whatever, they'll say, oh, you conservatives, you and your slippery slope arguments, you're always worried that the sky is going to fall.

Speaker 11 Every single slippery slope argument ever made by social conservatives has come true. This guy is admitting it.
So we all agree.

Speaker 11 And if they don't change something in New York soon, it's going to be a political reality.

Speaker 12 And not just New York. I mean, AOC,

Speaker 12 as we just discussed, could be ascending to the presidency, to at least the presidential level. And there's not a thing that Zoran Momdani believes that she doesn't believe too.

Speaker 12 From defund the police to free, so-called gender-affirming care for trans people and minors. It's amazing.
Where do these absolute losers think they're going to get all this money from?

Speaker 11 Literally, who?

Speaker 12 There aren't enough taxpayers in New York to fund gender-affirming care for everyone in the nation to come to New York. The hotels are already full of the illegal immigrants.
It's insane.

Speaker 12 That was far enough left under Eric Adams. And now, by the way, Eric Adams is saying nice things about how he had some like great meeting with the Mom Donnie team.

Speaker 12 Okay, this guy will kiss anybody's ass just to get a job at this point. You know, first it was Trump's, so he got rid of that federal prosecution.

Speaker 12 Now he's, what, going to buddy up to Zoran Mom Dami because he knows he's losing. But what, he wants a post in that administration?

Speaker 12 I mean, the only one left to save New York is sadly the sex pest, the lover of the fannies and killer of the grannies, Andrew Cuomo. Curtis Lewa.
quoted that. That wasn't me.

Speaker 12 Curtis is still in there, but he has no chance. No Republican does.
I love him.

Speaker 12 I'd vote for him in a heartbeat but i'm just saying so that's it that's what new york has but but but just zooming out this is this is this party to your point is ascending the american people are turning to these socialists as like

Speaker 12 in the same way that the that the republicans turned to trump you know they were sick of the republican party and the republican dogma and there's another girl who spoke at this

Speaker 12 Democrat Socialist of America convention, whatever it was.

Speaker 12 And she said, first of all, I just want to start by saying everybody here hates the Democratic Party. So I get it.
Like they're frustrated with it.

Speaker 12 They don't think that they're standing up for what they believe in. And

Speaker 12 there's a large faction of Democrats, in particular younger people, who are feeling totally energized by these people because of things like they can't afford a home.

Speaker 12 No young person can afford a home. And they think that these people are going to help them.

Speaker 12 And they've been totally fucking brainwashed by K through 12 woke schools and Ivy League colleges on things like race and oppression and oppressor narratives.

Speaker 12 So they think that Israel's the devil and the Palestinians are the truly noble ones and they hate what the Democrat Party and America has done in supporting Israel.

Speaker 12 And so they're completely with, that's why they were out there chanting in favor of Hamas on 10-8.

Speaker 12 That's what they find attractive about this group, Michael. And it's, it's real.
Like we have to pay attention to it.

Speaker 11 Certainly. I mean, you can see it just focusing on the left.

Speaker 11 Now in New York, the debate, the broad spectrum of politics goes from, should we fill up all the hotels with illegal alien gangsters, or should we fill up all the hotels with transgenderists who want to chop off their body parts?

Speaker 11 That's it. That's the debate.
Okay, that means that New York is quite left at the moment.

Speaker 11 But more broadly, if you look at the right, you see that there's a similar phenomenon going on, and we even use similar language for it.

Speaker 11 So the left has become woke, and for the right, we say we take the red pill. You know, we use the imagery from the matrix.
But it's much the same thing.

Speaker 11 It's to say we've been living under an illusion and we've come out of that illusion and we realize that what we took for granted in our political order was actually just imagined and illusory and there's a more gripping reality that we have to deal with.

Speaker 11 The way that they're dealing with that on the left is to embrace socialism and all manner of radical ideologies.

Speaker 11 And the way that people are dealing with it on the right is to embrace, I think, at the best,

Speaker 11 the best way they're dealing with it is embracing a more classical understanding of politics that's more substantive, that's less obsessed with procedure, that really deals with virtue and what is most conducive to our flourishing, that's even open to discussing concepts like the common good.

Speaker 11 I mean, there's a lot of good stuff there, but this happens regularly in politics.

Speaker 11 It's a cyclical phenomenon that at a certain point you say, okay, our political order is just kind of fake, you know, and it's not, even our top-line economic numbers don't reflect the reality reality on the ground of young people can't buy houses and are stuck under mountains of debt.

Speaker 11 So we have to accept that. We're not going to remain in the 1990s consensus for very long.
We have to deal with what's changing in our politics.

Speaker 11 But we can either go march with Kefia-wearing Hamas supporters and embrace socialism for the trans, illegal, alien gangsters of Guatemala, or

Speaker 11 we can go back to the very best of our country and pull something up that even the Republican Party, even the conservative movement has neglected, something deeper in our wellspring, but that is nevertheless patriotic, pro-American, conducive to the common good.

Speaker 11 I mean, I'm seeing that happen on the right. That's what won the day in November.
That's what the MAGA movement is largely about. That's what the new right is largely about.
But

Speaker 11 regardless, we've got these much more polarized extremes now. And if we don't win those elections, we're going to be facing a very different country.

Speaker 12 It's happening. It's happening before our very eyes.
I mean, I don't, did you see that chart that was all over X this weekend on the homeownership graph over the past like 50 years?

Speaker 12 And it was showing, hold on a second, I just saw it.

Speaker 12 Okay, yeah.

Speaker 11 Okay,

Speaker 12 a mere 12% of 30-year-olds are married and own a home right now.

Speaker 11 12%

Speaker 12 of 30-year-olds. And the graph shows it's basically, okay, from 1950,

Speaker 12 the percentage of 30 year olds who were both married and homeowners okay 1950 it was over 50%

Speaker 12 and in 2020

Speaker 12 it is under 15%

Speaker 12 in 2020 it is under 15 like I said it's 12%

Speaker 12 of people who are 30

Speaker 12 and also married and own a home. They are not getting married and they cannot afford a home.
That's the reason the reason they don't own a home is because they cannot afford one.

Speaker 12 I'm sure they'd love to own one, but they cannot afford it. And we just continue to laugh at people like Mom Donnie, who is an absurd character when it comes to policies.

Speaker 12 But we're not actively fixing the problem that is driving people to him. You know, I mean, Trump tried.

Speaker 12 Trump actually said, hey, No taxes on tips and no taxes on overtime and let's cut taxes for everybody across the board, including the working class who pay the least in taxes, but let's cut their taxes too.

Speaker 12 And did it. I mean, keeping those Trump tax cuts permanent is a cut in your taxes because the Democrats were about to raise them by a lot.

Speaker 12 They were about to expire, and the Democrats would not have approved

Speaker 12 the lowering of them back to what Trump had in term 1.0. But that's not going to get it done, Michael.

Speaker 12 Now, Trump's running around telling the Fed to lower interest rates so people can buy homes and so on, but even that's not going to get it done.

Speaker 12 You know, right now we had a downward revision on the jobs numbers. Trump fired the woman who runs the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
And let's face it, those numbers were all over the board.

Speaker 12 And this person, I realize she's just a data input, like control-enter kind of person. But the jobs numbers haven't been as strong as we want.

Speaker 12 And all of this is building towards support for radicalism.

Speaker 11 Yes. Yes.

Speaker 11 And so, look, it's good to pay some attention to economic factors because if the economy were more well-rounded and sound, and if there were greater support in the private and public sectors for families, then you'd probably see more people getting married and having kids.

Speaker 11 But

Speaker 11 people got married during the Great Depression, didn't they?

Speaker 11 We've had plenty of very serious economic crises throughout American history and it never destroyed the marriage rate and stopped people from having kids. Something else has obviously happened.

Speaker 11 When I see a chart like that,

Speaker 11 when I see the takeaway that people aren't getting married or having kids anymore, my reaction to that is, why should they? Why should they? I'll tell them why.

Speaker 11 The reason why is because it's good for you and it will lead you to have a more flourishing life and it's the thing you should do.

Speaker 11 But if you're just a random person who's been educated over the last 30 years in America, you've been told that God doesn't exist.

Speaker 11 So, you know, be fruitful and multiply, you know, leave your parents and join together. That's not going to persuade you.

Speaker 11 You've been told that the most important thing is to just do whatever fulfills you at any given moment. And you're the only person you should think about.

Speaker 11 Not moral obligations, not your obligation to your community, not close your eyes and think of England to have kids. No, no, just think about whatever you want.
Your career is all that matters.

Speaker 11 Your money is all that matters. So, okay, then we've been told that marriage isn't anything real.
It doesn't come from nature. It's not part of what it means to be a human.

Speaker 11 No, it's just a thing we can rewrite. If Anthony Kennedy wants to write some romantic poetry from the Supreme Court one day, we can redefine it.
And no longer will it be between a man and a woman.

Speaker 11 It could be two fellas or two ladies or three guys in a billy goat. Who knows? So it's an artifice.
Who needs it, you know? it's just like a piece of paper, man. And why have kids? Kids are a burden.

Speaker 11 They're a sexually transmitted disease and they're going to limit your freedom. So 30 years of this, Megan, 50 years of this.
Why should people get married?

Speaker 11 Why should we be surprised when they don't want to?

Speaker 12 Mm-hmm. Oh, gosh, it's chilling.
But you're 100% right. And you made a great point earlier about all the slippery slope arguments have come true.

Speaker 12 I mean, I feel like I've lived that personally over the past 20 years in media, just watching conservatives warn and be called, you know, these uptight

Speaker 12 bigots, whatever. I mean, all the terms.
And yet it's all come true. I mean, it really, like, marriage no longer means anything.

Speaker 12 The thrupple is all the rage.

Speaker 12 You know,

Speaker 12 incubate a baby with absolutely no connection to a mother is the next wave of all of this, just like grow one in an incubator with no mother present whatsoever.

Speaker 12 These are dark times. And you're right, it's having a real effect that better explains that marriage number, and it's related to home ownership.
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Speaker 12 Michael,

Speaker 12 no better place to continue our discussion than the Sidney Sweeney update. This actress decided to star in an ad for American Eagle Jeans.

Speaker 12 She celebrated her jeans, play on words, both the jeans she had on her body and the jeans she has in her body. The leftist meltdown continues.
I'll just give you the latest turning point.

Speaker 12 Sent a reporter named Savannah Hernandez to go ask a bunch of liberals at some sort of a conference how they feel about the Sweeney ad and got some fresh reaction.

Speaker 12 Here's how that went over the weekend.

Speaker 12 The Sydney Sweeney ad, have you seen it?

Speaker 11 Oh, yes, I have.

Speaker 12 What are your thoughts?

Speaker 19 Sidney Sweeney has good genes. Really? Like, the eugenics in that.
It's dripping with it. And I'm like,

Speaker 11 no.

Speaker 20 I mean, I thought, you know, it was disgusting. I think it's just

Speaker 20 showing what kind of country we're turning into because it's white supremacy at the end of the day. That's what this ad is representing.

Speaker 12 And comparing the blue jeans to blue jeans, blue blood, white hair, eye, or not white hair, but like blonde hair, blue eyes. And

Speaker 12 there's been a lot of comparison to that. I think it's absolutely unacceptable.

Speaker 13 Yeah, that's not a good look.

Speaker 13 Yeah, I mean, she's blonde hair, blue-eyed, white woman, you know, very cute.

Speaker 12 Whatever the intentions were, the impact is very problematic. It's just, it's not acceptable to begin with.

Speaker 12 I mean, ironically, what I'd really love to do for all those women is introduce them to the glories of self-tanner. Just one little application.
It doesn't take much. Takes off 10 pounds.

Speaker 12 Makes you feel like a million bucks.

Speaker 12 They're a little too, those ladies themselves, a little too in favor of white skin, in my opinion.

Speaker 12 They're the eugenicists, Michael.

Speaker 12 They're all homely. They're all overweight.

Speaker 12 They're at something called a rage against the regime protest, where the number one rule, I looked it up on the back of that, that woman has a sign, and the number one rule is wear PPE, your personal protective equipment, like it's COVID, like it's March 2020.

Speaker 12 And they're really pissed off about Sidney Sweeney and her jeans, Michael.

Speaker 11 Hot girls have aroused the ire of many, many a lady in the course of history. I'm trying to figure out what their exact claim is.

Speaker 11 So you heard the first lady starts out talking about eugenics, as the problem with this ad is it promotes eugenics, which is ironic because you know every single one of those women supports Planned Parenthood, wants federal funding to Planned Parenthood.

Speaker 11 Planned Parenthood was founded in the eugenics movement by one of the most prominent eugenicists in the country for eugenics purposes.

Speaker 12 Yes, she actually wanted to kill black babies.

Speaker 11 Yes, in fact, I think the line from Woman in the New Race is we don't want word to get out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, which however one reads the phrase would seem to undercut the argument of these women.

Speaker 11 So that's the first part. Eugenics is good sometimes, it's bad sometimes.
I guess in reality, by a broad definition, marrying a hot person is a form of eugenics.

Speaker 11 In the sense that eugenics just means good genes. So everyone wants to marry the hottest, smartest, coolest person they can find.

Speaker 11 That's a kind of eugenics, I guess. The bad kind of eugenics is like Planned Parenthood when you want to kill a bunch of babies, or Hitler, where you want to exterminate whole races.

Speaker 11 But there's a good kind, I guess. People have good genes.
Which brings me to my second question.

Speaker 11 Is the left now claiming that some people are not born naturally more beautiful than others?

Speaker 11 Is that the claim? The claim is that everyone is naturally just as hot?

Speaker 11 Are they going to look, they tell a lot of lies about biology and human nature and society, but they're going to look us in the face and say, some people are not born hotter than others.

Speaker 11 Sidney Sweeney looks just like every other woman that's ever been born. Is that

Speaker 11 the argument? Yes.

Speaker 12 That is how they talk. That's why you as a cisgendered heterosexual male are a transphobe and a bigot if you, if you were single, would refuse to date a trans woman as opposed to an actual woman.

Speaker 12 You have to like penis if it's attached to someone wearing a dress with fake boobs or you're a bigot. Those are their rules.

Speaker 11 I guess actually that's a very good point, Megan. It's very insightful about liberalism, which is that liberalism broadly is about denying natural difference.

Speaker 11 So we're told that when we're born, we're all tabola rasa, we're all just total blank slates. Every child can be an astronaut or the president.
There's no distinction whatsoever.

Speaker 11 And the fact is, that isn't true. I flatter myself that I was the product of at least some eugenicist calculations.
I hope so. But I'm probably not

Speaker 11 going to be an NBA star. That's probably not going to happen.
I'm probably not. I don't know.
I'm not going to be a linebacker. That's for sure.

Speaker 11 I don't know. I'm not even going to be able to be a mathematician, probably.

Speaker 12 You are an intellectual linebacker.

Speaker 11 Yes, yes, that's right.

Speaker 11 There are limits that are just placed on human beings. And one of those limits is we look a certain way.

Speaker 11 bodies where and some bodies look better than others and I guess this is the thrust of the American Eagle ad is you know this rediscovery of marketing 101 that when you put very beautiful people in a product you sell more of that product and I think I'm sure this conversation actually did take place in the boardroom I'm sure that that when they pitched this ad they said look we're gonna do something really really edgy that hasn't been done for 10 years it's gonna be the opposite of that jaguar eunuch androgynous commercial from six months ago we're gonna put a really hot lady in the jeans and say this lady's really hot by the jeans and we're gonna do we're gonna do what marketers did for all of human history and we think it's gonna work again

Speaker 12 they are so right they've made 200 million dollars at least off of this ad according to stock price rise on market cap and now it's even up higher because president trump tweeted about it or posted on truth social which also makes its way over to x the following this is one of the classic trump tweets of all time and that's saying something now he found out that she's a registered republican that hit the news this weekend.

Speaker 12 Sidney Sweeney, a registered Republican, has the hottest ad out there, he writes. It's for American Eagle, and the genes are flying off of the shelves.
Go get them, Sydney. Exclamation point.

Speaker 12 On the other side of the ledger, Jaguar did a stupid and seriously woke advertisement that is a total disaster in all caps. The CEO just resigned in disgrace, and the company is in absolute turmoil.

Speaker 12 Who wants to buy a Jaguar after looking at that disgraceful ad? I'll show it to you in a a minute, audience.

Speaker 12 Shouldn't they have learned a lesson from Bud Light, which went woke and essentially destroyed in a short campaign? The company?

Speaker 12 The market cap destruction has been unprecedented, with billions of dollars so foolishly lost. Or just look at woke singer Taylor Swift.
Here we go, Cherry on Top.

Speaker 12 Ever since I alerted the world as to what she was by saying on truth that I can't stand, her hate, in all caps with an exclamation point, she was booed out of the Super Bowl and became no longer longer hot in all caps.

Speaker 12 The tide has seriously turned. Being woke is for losers.
Being Republican is what you want to be. Thank you for your attention to this matter.

Speaker 12 It's the greatest. It's all right.
He's right.

Speaker 12 What did he say that was wrong in there? Absolutely nothing. And if you doubt me, folks at home, here's the Jaguar ad, which doesn't even show a damn car.
It just shows a bunch of ugly pride people.

Speaker 12 Here it is.

Speaker 12 It's like from the year 3000 for the listening audience. It says create exuberant.

Speaker 12 It's people in like orange and red live vivid. A man with little Lord Fauntle Roy hair painting something.

Speaker 12 I don't know what that is. Everyone's androgynous.
There's no gender.

Speaker 11 Everyone's androgynous. That's a key feature.

Speaker 12 You can't see like a copy, nothing. Where's the fucking car? Okay, where's the Jaguar?

Speaker 11 There's no car.

Speaker 12 I just want to say this, Michael Knowles. When I was a young lawyer at Bickel and Brewer, which is a very cool firm, it was like Rambo litigation.
We were tough. I loved it.

Speaker 12 If you made partner there, they would get you a Jaguar. And the Jaguars back then, this is 1995, they were gorgeous.
They were sleek. You could get it in white or...

Speaker 12 green and they had the little jaguar in the front and it was like a man's sports car because it was an overwhelmingly male firm as most law firms were. And it was like hashtag goals to get a Jaguar.

Speaker 12 Now you've got the Dylan Mulvaney of sports cars, and guess what? No one wanted one. Trump is 100% right.

Speaker 12 They just canned their loser, weird, also androgynous looking CEO who was all about the pride and leaned into that weird messaging, tanking the brand.

Speaker 12 And now they've got to rebuild from basically scratch. Now Jaguar really is the Bud Light of cars.
And American Eagle went a different route and is rolling in money.

Speaker 11 Of course. You know, when you look at the Jaguar ad, what's striking about it is not that these people couldn't look good.
Some of them could look pretty good. You know, a man can look good.

Speaker 11 A woman can look good. A white person can look good.
A black person can look good. But you're going to look good by being what you are, what you are naturally good at and good for.

Speaker 11 So when a man acts like a man, he can look good. When a man acts like a woman, he's never gonna look good.
Same thing. Look at that first person.

Speaker 12 Just to put out, when they started that ad, I don't know what that was.

Speaker 12 That first person that came out had breasts, but looked like a man and walked like a man and had a huge afro that was androgynous, so no way of telling. But

Speaker 12 the person was walking exactly like a man with boobs. Keep going.

Speaker 11 Yes, this is the problem. I mean, even down to grotesque pictures through all of history, I think even down to really grotesque demonic image of Baphomet,

Speaker 11 a very famous image.

Speaker 11 What is distinctive about it is it's the mixing of all these features, human and animal, male and female, all together, but it's all jumbled in a way that's totally incoherent and naturally repellent.

Speaker 11 Whereas American Eagle gets this

Speaker 11 really good-looking woman and she's wearing ladies' jeans and she's walking like a lady and she's talking like a lady. They could have made commercials with a guy.

Speaker 11 They could have made commercials with people of other races.

Speaker 11 They could have done any number of commercials that would have worked. She happens to be the Hollywood starlet at the moment right now.

Speaker 11 And Trump is this absolute culture vulture who just gets where the winds are moving.

Speaker 11 Because the one pushback I've heard to conservatives happy about Sidney Sweeney, two pushbacks, but one in particular is, well, I thought we didn't care what celebrities think.

Speaker 11 And I thought, listen, you're telling me the people who have said now for 20 years, politics is downstream of culture, and we need to win back the culture and we need we need pop culture figures whatever of course it matters what celebrities think this is politics politics is the public these are public figures they do carry sway they do influence people we have parasocial attachments to them we say we don't care what celebrities think because the celebrities used to be uniformly on the left but President Trump being a massive celebrity and pop culture figure when he took over the Republican Party that really opened the gates to conservatives to be able to assert ourselves in pop culture final point on Sidney Sweeney, now that it's come out that she's a registered Republican, a lot of people are surprised by this.

Speaker 11 It's because they don't know one of the rules of thumb in Hollywood, which is if a celebrity is not constantly braying about his politics,

Speaker 11 every time. Yes.
Every single time.

Speaker 12 100%.

Speaker 12 I know a lot of them. I've known them for years.
And they stay underground because they love acting and it's totally understandable. And you yourself are a famous child actor.

Speaker 12 So you are of Hollywood and you know this firsthand, I'm sure. They just keep their mouths shut.
If you don't know what their political affiliation is, they're a Republican.

Speaker 11 You could lose your whole livelihood, of course. And so you see someone like Sidney Sweeney.
And the thing that I really love about her as a public figure is

Speaker 11 she's pretty.

Speaker 11 She's a pretty good actress. And she doesn't, she just leaves it at that.
She just seems nice, seems kind of pleasant, seems generally happy, isn't isn't yelling at me about abortion or whatever.

Speaker 11 She's just, she's great. She's just exactly what you expect out of a Hollywood starlet.
And because of that, she was obviously a Republican. Obvious.

Speaker 12 Totally obvious. And now we see the video getting released online of her at the shooting range doing rather well this hit over the weekend.
Watch.

Speaker 11 Eyes up here.

Speaker 6 Sidney Sweeney has great splits

Speaker 12 Okay, so there we go you get it you get it. She's I mean all you had to show us was that video and we would have known she was a Republican.

Speaker 12 We didn't actually need somebody to dig up the voter registration.

Speaker 11 Yes. Look, I don't need Sidney Sweeney now to go out there and talk about how great Edmund Burke is.
I don't need her to go out there and lecture on the Federalist Papers.

Speaker 11 I don't need, I don't, Sidney Sweeney, if she just wants to keep doing what she's doing, being a prominent Hollywood actress, playing, you know, playing her parts, doing her movies, and just

Speaker 11 opening up that aperture, just not being on the left, just pointing out that now that screechy, whiny, cringe-inducing, saccharine, insufferable culture of leftist Hollywood is on the back foot and people don't really like it anymore.

Speaker 11 And we actually just reelected with the popular vote one of the most famous right-wing celebrities of our lifetime. You know, great.

Speaker 11 That is the win. It's not that the right needs to constantly dominate everything explicitly.
We just want to be the normal. And right now, the normal is not,

Speaker 11 you know, Susan Sarandon ranting about some leftist cause. Right now, the normal is Sidney Sweeney and Donald Trump.

Speaker 12 Yes, you're so right. We have no desire to become

Speaker 12 what the left is right now, these overbearing, preachy, control, you know, thought-control police at colleges and so on. We just want normal.
That's all. Go back to normal.

Speaker 12 You guys can be your crazy selves, but let hold, let go of the minds of our youth and let go of our institutions and your weird totalitarian domination of them to where we can't participate at all in the arts, et cetera, if our politics are known.

Speaker 12 And that's actually going to be an interesting thing with Sidney Sweeney is to see now because she's the toast of Hollywood, she's the it girl.

Speaker 12 Now does she get roles?

Speaker 12 Like, I would argue her being called a eugenicist is far less damaging to her career than it emerging that she's a registered Republican. Like that actually will be held against her.

Speaker 12 And, but yet they're going to want to make money. And these Hollywood bosses are going to have to see,

Speaker 12 I'm going to make more money with this one than I am with Lena Dunham. So

Speaker 12 what do I do? You know, and by the way, I want to show you something. She,

Speaker 12 first time I ever saw her was in White Lotus, where she played one of the daughters of Connie Britton, who played like this frazzled businesswoman who was there on vacation at this fancy hotel with her family.

Speaker 12 And her her daughter went with her daughter's friend, and they were like your typical sort of

Speaker 11 what?

Speaker 12 I don't know, whatever,

Speaker 12 okay, like your understated

Speaker 12 Gen Z

Speaker 12 teen types. And they were based on our friends from Red Scare who come on this podcast,

Speaker 12 which is perfect because those two have sort of a laconic,

Speaker 12 even tone, even though they have like razor blade tongues.

Speaker 12 They can cut with their intellect, they don't need to do it in any other way. They are the opposite of sweaty tryhards, and so they this she was perfectly cast, and this is how she first came to fame.

Speaker 12 For those of you who are not familiar with Sidney Sweeney's acting roles, here she is.

Speaker 12 Where'd you meet him? Through friends?

Speaker 11 Not Raya,

Speaker 12 Raya? No, not Raya. How long is the engagement? We actually just met last September.

Speaker 11 Oh, wow, that was really fast.

Speaker 12 Yeah, like, how did you know he was the one?

Speaker 11 Oh, I don't know.

Speaker 12 The chemistry was there, and

Speaker 13 his duck's not strong.

Speaker 18 I don't know.

Speaker 12 Shane really wanted to get married, and he's very decisive and pretty convincing, so it just felt right.

Speaker 12 It's amazing. It's amazing, right? It's so well done.

Speaker 11 You know, that's the only thing I've ever seen Sidney Sweeney in other than this American Eagles commercial. And she was great in it.
I thought, yeah, I did notice her.

Speaker 11 I was like, oh, she's actually, she's very good. And she really gets your attention.

Speaker 11 But I didn't know of her,

Speaker 11 certainly didn't know her politics, didn't know anything about that.

Speaker 11 She became this it girl, I think in part, by the way, as a reaction to the failure of wokeness, because they've been trying to shove all of these like wacky, eccentric, crazy pop stars down our throats for 10 years.

Speaker 11 And Lena Dunham, as you mentioned, and that it just wasn't working anymore.

Speaker 11 So, you know, it's she's Sidney Sweeney and American Eagle here is both a cause of some of the cultural shift, but also is a reaction to the cultural shift.

Speaker 11 You saw American Eagle put out that statement and said, look, this genes ad is just about how Sidney Sweeney's got great genes and we make no apologies and it's totally great and, you know, stuff it.

Speaker 11 You know, they had written that. not apology statement probably before the campaign launched.
They knew how this was going to play out.

Speaker 11 Yeah, they don't have their heads. They just looked at the numbers.
They said, look, Trump won the popular vote. I think a lot of it really does go back to November.

Speaker 11 Look, we're going to face a lot of pressure from activist groups. And when we don't cave to them, we're going to shoot our market cup up even higher.

Speaker 11 I think what's so wonderful about the Sidney Sweeney American Eagle saga is not just the cultural message, but the fact that it was probably written by calculating accountants with green visors on who just see the way the culture has moved, and they're affirming for us what a lot of us had already expected.

Speaker 12 So, I gave my full thoughts on Sidney Sweeney on Thursday's episode, but I want to add one addendum. I think another thing that people are responding positively to is

Speaker 12 she's all woman. You know, she has a great pair on her that would be the envy of virtually every woman.
And they're obviously natural, and she's natural. If she's had work done, it's imperceptible.

Speaker 12 And so, she's like the kind of, in some ways, the opposite of a Kardashian. Like she's petite.
She has, you know, bosoms. I don't know.
I can't think of a nice, like polite way of putting it.

Speaker 12 So she does.

Speaker 12 She's buxom. Yeah, she's buxom.
But like they're natural. And her face is not overly prodded or manipulated.
She looks normal.

Speaker 12 She looks like just a pretty American girl who's not, she hasn't Kardashianized herself. So like you look at her and she's beautiful.
She's a natural beauty.

Speaker 12 And I think that's another thing people are responding to. We're like, I think they're fucking done with like the Lauren Sanchez's of the world.

Speaker 12 I mean, I was just talking to somebody who had seen her at this very public venue.

Speaker 12 And this person was saying, most of the people at this venue were well-known and were looking to like not be spotted, not be in the middle of the fishbowl.

Speaker 12 And that this person's observation about Lauren Sanchez was, she was like, where's the fishbowl? How can I get in the middle of it?

Speaker 12 And just kept standing and posing so she could be seen and admired and looked at.

Speaker 12 And I just think, like, there's a certain, you know, the enormous lips, like the lips that would scare you if you were sitting at the dinner table with them. Like, your first instinct would be, Run!

Speaker 12 You know, I'm not safe. What is it? It's people are, they're done with it, Michael.

Speaker 12 And so, here comes this actual natural American beauty who's she's not like perfect by the weird TikTok Instagram filter standard you know what I mean like that's the point her face yeah like her face is beautiful beautiful absolutely but it's not like it's not like the perfectly skinny skinny nose and like the big big lips and I have to say it's like nice to see someone who is more of like the classic American beauty totally embraced I think there's a reset that has happened.

Speaker 11 I think that's what the Sweeney campaign is about. I think that's what the Trump campaign is about, really.
I was having this conversation with Wocal Distance, a great social media observer of things.

Speaker 11 And we were talking about Baudrillard,

Speaker 11 this writer who observed a phenomenon of hyper-reality, such that,

Speaker 11 you know, his example was you start out with a strawberry, and then you say, I like the strawberry so much, I want strawberry jam. I want even more of the strawberry flavor.

Speaker 11 And I like the strawberry jam so much, I want a strawberry candy. I like the strawberry candy so much, I want a strawberry syrup.

Speaker 11 And then I want the strawberry syrup so much, I want a strawberry jolly rancher.

Speaker 11 And then you go down the line, and eventually, you have a strawberry jolly rancher syrup tastes nothing like the original strawberry. And I think that's basically what has happened to women.

Speaker 11 You say, I like that nose on that woman. And then you take it further into this realm of plastic surgery to the point that the woman looks like a caricature, like a grotesquerie.

Speaker 11 And you say, you don't look anything like the pretty woman I was first admiring.

Speaker 11 I think you see this in politics, where you say, okay, things happen in politics and we come to abstract conclusions about them.

Speaker 11 But then sometimes we get high on our own supply, such that before the Trump moment happened, we had become so ideological about our politics that somehow, you know, being a good patriotic American meant we had to bomb every country in the Middle East.

Speaker 11 We had to fling open our borders and let the whole world in. We had to ignore the working class.

Speaker 11 We had to do all of these things that were totally disconnected from on-the-ground realities of good politics. And I think Trump comes in there and he says, hey, I'm going to have a reset.

Speaker 11 Yeah, we're going to have borders again.

Speaker 11 I'm just running to give you good neighborhoods. I think we just need to be good and normal.

Speaker 11 And I see this in Hollywood, this ad campaign says, okay, we've all become basically grotesque clown caricatures of what celebrities were. We're going to reset.

Speaker 11 Here's a nice girl next door, looks very pretty. She's going to sell you blue jeans, the most normal kind of clothing you can have.

Speaker 11 And I bet you people are so starved for normal, for something close to reality, for a reset, you're going to send us up 10%, $200 million in market cap in one day.

Speaker 12 Yes, yes. And then in a way, it's turned out to be, I don't think this was part of American Eagles' plan, but it's turned out this way.

Speaker 12 It was a trap for the left, you know, because you and I both know what happened in November 2024.

Speaker 12 The listening audience here knows what happened in November 2024 and what the message was by the voters. But the left either didn't listen, doesn't know, doesn't matter.

Speaker 12 Either way, they're not prepared to take it. They are not de-wokifying their party.
And

Speaker 12 they've walked right into this trap by reacting, by like recoiling at

Speaker 12 her appearance and the messaging of the ad. And that led to the vice president of the United States, both the president and the vice president of the United States have now commented

Speaker 12 on this ad. This is an American Eagle Dream.
Here's what J.D. Vance told the fellas over at our Pals the Ruthless podcast.

Speaker 21 Yeah, my political advice to the Democrats is continue to tell everybody who thinks Sidney Swinney is attractive is a Nazi.

Speaker 21 That appears to be their actual strategy.

Speaker 11 I mean, it actually reveals something pretty interesting about the Dems, though, which is that you have like a normal all-American beautiful girl doing like a normal jeans ad, right?

Speaker 21 They're trying to

Speaker 21 sell jeans to

Speaker 21 kids in America, and they have managed to so unhinge themselves over this thing. And it's like, you guys, did you learn nothing from the November 2024 election?

Speaker 21 Like, I actually thought that one of the lessons they might take is we're going to be less crazy.

Speaker 21 The lesson they have apparently taken is, we're going to attack people as Nazis for thinking Cindy Sweeney is beautiful.

Speaker 17 Great strategy, guys.

Speaker 11 That's how you're going to win the midterm, especially young American men. Their course correction lasted about 30 seconds.

Speaker 21 That's right. Lasted 30 seconds.
Somehow has gotten even crazier. But again, it's just so much of the Democrats is oriented around hostility to basic American life.

Speaker 21 So you have a pretty girl doing a jeans ad.

Speaker 12 He is such an effective spokesperson for our side.

Speaker 12 The one comment I wanted to ask you about

Speaker 12 great message, especially to young American men who I'm sure you covered it on your show and we've covered it here.

Speaker 12 The Democrats are literally spending tens of millions to figure out how to talk to, how to recruit back to Team Blue. And this, guys, is not it.

Speaker 12 This would be lesson number one in how not to do it.

Speaker 12 Like,

Speaker 12 must I play the montage of the women at the event, the rage against the machine event again? You're either on that team or you're on the Sidney Sweeney team. It's a problem.

Speaker 12 It's a serious problem getting worse for the Democrats.

Speaker 11 The Democrats might consider speaking to any actual men that might help them formulate their strategy.

Speaker 11 I remember there was a gal, I forget her name, I think she's since been ousted from the role, who was trying to help the Democrats win back young men in particular. And I thought,

Speaker 11 she didn't look like a sorority girl necessarily.

Speaker 11 But even if she had been a sorority girl, why don't you get a guy for that role? And not just any guy, not some like weird androgynous guy that you fill your ranks up with, not some whiny guy.

Speaker 11 How about you get like a normal guy? He doesn't even have to be the biggest giga chad that's ever walked the earth. Just like a normal guy who wears normal clothes, who is attracted to Sidney Sweeney.

Speaker 11 Hire one of them. I'm sure you can find one of them somewhere and say, hey, buddy, how should I talk to your friends?

Speaker 11 But I don't want to give them any advice. So forget about that.
Democrats, if you're watching, forget I said that.

Speaker 12 No. Instead, what you have is guys on the Democrat Party like Jonathan K.

Speaker 12 Park, who he's not into Cindy Sweeney because he's gay, but he's a prototypical Democrat in that he's constantly crying, whether it's via his pen or on his MSNBC hits.

Speaker 12 And he just resigned from the Washington Post. I'll show you why in a second, but let me just give you a little refresher on what I'm talking about.
Where Jonathan Capehart,

Speaker 12 oh, I think we have it via a montage, and you'll see some of the things that I just mentioned in SOT 33.

Speaker 11 Officer Fanon, I'm going to try to get through this.

Speaker 12 He's crying.

Speaker 11 Thank you for what you did three years ago today.

Speaker 17 This election

Speaker 17 seems to be

Speaker 17 if it proves out that the millions of people who are watching Fox Fox News, if that ends up being the case, then

Speaker 17 I can't help but wonder if the American people have given up on democracy.

Speaker 10 The thing that I'm grappling with is

Speaker 17 that someone was elected who ran a campaign that was openly hostile.

Speaker 17 openly racist, xenophobic, misogynistic, transphobic,

Speaker 17 everything.

Speaker 17 Once again, turning Madison Square Garden into a staging ground for extremism. How many of you believe that racism and misogyny played a role in Vice President Harris's defeat?

Speaker 12 They all raised their hands.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 11 So

Speaker 17 that's good. You all passed.

Speaker 12 That was while electing the new head of the DNC. You passed because you say she lost because of racism and misogyny.
So that, yeah, that's a more accurate representation of today's Democrat Party.

Speaker 12 Not for nothing, but he, as I point out, just quit, left, resigned, forced out, don't know, of the Washington Post and managed to have the folks over at PBS NewsHour definitely work in a question about that at the end of his recent hit on that channel.

Speaker 11 Here, watch.

Speaker 12 You should point out after nearly two decades at the Washington Post, you recently made the decision to leave. I just wanted to give you a chance to speak directly to our audience to tell them why.

Speaker 17 Well, the direction of the opinion section changed.

Speaker 17 Jeff Bezos, the owner of the Washington Post, as is his right, decided that he wanted the section to focus on the twin pillars of personal liberties and free markets.

Speaker 17 And it became clear as time went along, and especially when he chose a new leader for the section, that there was just not going to be any room for a voice like mine, especially when we were told that we would have to be unapologetically patriotic in talking about the positive things happening in the country.

Speaker 17 How can you talk about the positive things happening in the country when the rest of the house is engulfed in flames and the foundation is flooding?

Speaker 4 I wanted to go someplace where my voice would be heard.

Speaker 11 Single tear.

Speaker 12 That was the deal breaker, Michael. He had to be unapologetically patriotic.
There was nothing, nothing he could find to write about that was good about America, so he had to quit.

Speaker 11 Yeah, you you can't say, Megan, you can't say that was the only problem. One was Bezos said, you have to not hate your country.
You have to be a patriot. You have to love your country.
And

Speaker 11 you have to sometimes, occasionally, at least once, find something positive to say about your own country. And he couldn't do it.

Speaker 11 That was a bridge too far. And by the way, there are going to be people who say, well, journalists shouldn't be patriotic.

Speaker 11 There are going to be some extreme ideologues who say, I want my journalists to be totally neutral, not to have opinions about anything, to just come at every issue as a blank slate.

Speaker 11 That's not how human beings work. That's not how journalism has ever operated.

Speaker 11 We are not just creatures floating through outer space. To bring us all the way back to Kamala from the top of the show, we did not just fall out of a coconut tree.

Speaker 11 You know, we actually do exist in a political context. And I forget the words.

Speaker 11 There were more giggles when she talked about it.

Speaker 11 But

Speaker 11 journalists are expected, at the very least, to love their country. It doesn't mean they're running PR for an administration or something, but to say, hey, can you love your country?

Speaker 11 It's like saying, hey, you should love your parents, respect your parents.

Speaker 11 And the fact that these libs in very prestigious quarters of journalism can't do that tells you everything you need to know about these legacy outlets.

Speaker 12 Yeah, so right. It's crazy.
They didn't say, you have to write something nice about Trump or even a single nice thing at all about his administration. It was, you have to love your country.
That's it.

Speaker 12 You have to love your country. There's nothing, I could talk to you about why I love America all day long.
It would not matter at all who was in the White House at all.

Speaker 12 He had to quit rather than do it. He found that assignment so disgusting and abhorrent.
That's the Washington Post. All right, that's MSNBC and that's PBS.

Speaker 12 It's disgraceful. All right, stand by.
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Speaker 12 Michael, we've been following on this show the Russia Gate revelations that Tulsi Gabbard has been making from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence.

Speaker 12 And it's just been one bombshell after another. The bottom line is

Speaker 12 we now know how RussiaGate got started, and we know that it was all a lie started by the Hillary Clinton campaign.

Speaker 12 That the Hillary Clinton campaign realized she was in trouble because of her email scandal, which had broken in 2015 in the wake of Benghazi.

Speaker 12 We found these emails of hers that were weird, and people were like, what server was that on? and so on. And it created a problem for her all the way up to Election Day 2016.

Speaker 12 And as she got closer to Election Day, she decided to concoct two lies about Donald Trump to distract from her email scandal.

Speaker 12 She got the Steel dossier through this fusion GPS company that her campaign paid, and she got this group CrowdStrike, which

Speaker 12 was the one responsible for

Speaker 12 the hack

Speaker 12 into

Speaker 12 that, that's the one that said that the Russians hacked the DNC email.

Speaker 12 And she created this entire storyline around the Russians doing these terrible things in tandem with Donald Trump in order to, yes, hurt Trump, but also mostly to distract from her own scandal.

Speaker 12 And we also know that Obama knew.

Speaker 12 He knew about it. He was told by his intelligence agencies in the late summer and fall of 2016 at the latest.
I'll give you one example. In the documents Tulsi released, this is from an Aaron Monte

Speaker 12 post that came. Oh, actually, sorry, forget it.
This is actually from our interview with Aaron Monte,

Speaker 12 where he pointed out, and this was in last week, so you can go back and look at it. There was a September 12th.

Speaker 12 2016, September 12th intelligence community assessment where the FBI and the NSA both said they had low confidence that Russia was the one who hacked and released the DNC emails.

Speaker 12 Our intelligence did not believe Russia had hacked the DNC.

Speaker 12 He goes on to say, but that did not stop the Department of Homeland Security or the DNI from putting out a statement in October that they thought Russia was behind the hack.

Speaker 12 And Jay Johnson, who was the head of DHS, later testified that Obama approved that statement, which was a lie. He approved saying that it was Russia who hacked the DNC.

Speaker 12 We also learned from a December 7th, 2016 DNI memo declassified by Tulsi that intel assessments about intrusions into the DNC emails was based on evidence identified by CrowdStrike, which worked directly for the Clinton campaign.

Speaker 12 Okay. So, and then that info was leaked to a Washington Post reporter named Ellen Nakashima.

Speaker 12 In other words, intel assessments about intrusions into the DNC emails were based on evidence evidence identified by CrowdStrike, which worked for Clinton.

Speaker 12 So Clinton was the hand orchestrating all these big reveals

Speaker 11 about, oh,

Speaker 12 my emails or the DNC emails were hacked by Russia. Oh, Donald Trump had prostitutes peeing in front of him at a hotel room in Russia.
Okay, so she did it and she did it to distract from her own email.

Speaker 12 And Obama knew.

Speaker 12 His intel community went to him and told him, we just found out from the Dutch who are spying on the Russians that the Russians have unearthed a Hillary Clinton plan to do this whole thing.

Speaker 12 To say Trump is a Russian agent and that she's going to do it to distract from her email scandal. Obama knew.
He knew,

Speaker 12 as far as I can tell, it was either September or August of 2016. He knew.
Here he is in December. 2016 after she's lost the election in an interview making the rounds online.

Speaker 12 one of those things that's resurfaced talking about these issues. Listen.

Speaker 15 Did the Russian hack of the Democratic National Committee and other targets actually affect the results of the election, in your view? Elections can always turn out differently.

Speaker 15 You never know which factors are going to make a difference. But I have no doubt that it had some impact.
Everyone now acting surprised by

Speaker 11 the

Speaker 15 CIA assessment that this was done purposely to

Speaker 15 improve Trump's chances. And my only point was that shouldn't be treated as a blockbuster

Speaker 15 because that was the worst kept secret in this town.

Speaker 15 Everybody understood that. It was reported on.
It's a pretty clear inference that people would draw and did draw. that this was helping the Trump campaign and it was hurting the Hillary campaign.

Speaker 15 My only point was we shouldn't now suddenly act as if this is a huge revelation. Every intelligence agency in the federal government arrived at a consensus that the Russians had hacked

Speaker 15 the DNC

Speaker 15 and

Speaker 15 the information that was now being released

Speaker 15 was

Speaker 15 as a consequence of a decision by Russian intelligence and Russian officials at the highest levels.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 15 what the CIA

Speaker 15 is now assessing, which was it was done purposefully to

Speaker 15 tilt the election in another,

Speaker 15 in the direction of a particular candidate, shouldn't be a surprise to anybody and in fact isn't a surprise to anybody.

Speaker 15 Okay.

Speaker 12 Those are all lies. Everything he said was a lie.
They knew the intelligence community knew that the Russians had not hacked the DNC and he'd been briefed.

Speaker 12 And they knew that there was no goal by the Russians to help Trump at all.

Speaker 12 That had been, at best, a low confidence assessment by somebody within the intelligence community, which only got elevated to an actual action point in an intelligence assessment thanks to President Obama.

Speaker 12 He demanded it. And now he's out there acting like, oh, well, everybody's known this.
They knew that they hacked, the Russians hacked the DNC, and they knew they wanted to help Trump.

Speaker 12 Everyone knew that. They knew that it was reported on.
Why was it reported on?

Speaker 12 Because you had your intelligence people leak to Ellen Knock, whatever her name is, at the Washington Post, and others at the New York Times.

Speaker 12 You've sprinkled false information to these stenographers in the press who then did your bidding. So you could wind up on NPR in December acting like this has been out there, everybody knows it.

Speaker 12 Meanwhile, the truth is, as we've seen in these Tulsi documents, he knew everything he said there, Michael, was not true.

Speaker 11 Everyone knew it because he wrote the story. So I guess that would be one true statement.

Speaker 11 Everyone knew it because he's the one who concocted the lie that everyone then came to believe.

Speaker 11 But I guess the problem with this scandal

Speaker 11 is that everyone knew it.

Speaker 11 Everyone who paid any attention, who supported Trump, who didn't buy into the mainstream lies that were cooked up by people like Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, everyone already kind of knew it.

Speaker 11 Yeah, yeah, Hillary cooked up this nonsense dossier. Hillary cooked up all this Russia, Russia, Russia nonsense.
It did rise to the presidential level.

Speaker 11 There's no way this kind of messaging could have gotten out without presidential approval. And then he doubled down on it.
And Barack Obama's a liar.

Speaker 11 And yeah, of course, Barack Obama's the guy who said you get to keep your health insurance if you like it. And then the minute that he passed his health care bill, he said, well, what?

Speaker 11 You think I was going to let you keep your health insurance? There's no way.

Speaker 11 Not a chance. So he is an infamous liar.

Speaker 11 And the problem for the Trump administration right now is

Speaker 11 we need to remind people to care about this, even though it happened a long time ago and everyone suspected it for a long time. We now have proof.
We have hard proof on all of these fronts.

Speaker 11 And it's hard. People have the attention span of a fruit fly.

Speaker 11 I guess the one way you might be able to persuade people to care about this is that constantly we hear that we need our corrupt public officials to be held accountable. We want actual accountability.

Speaker 11 We want consequences for these people. Don't let them keep getting away with it.

Speaker 11 Well, the only way that you're going to have consequences for this massive scandal that sought to upend our democracy and compromise a presidential election, all the things the left accuses us of that they were actually engaging in, the only way you're going to have consequences is if you hold these people's feet to the fire now and don't get distracted and don't get tired and don't be don't despair and don't just move on because probably

Speaker 11 if I'm a gambling man I don't think that they're going to face serious consequences for this because I don't know that the American people have the attention span for it I think it's going to happen if it's going to happen I think we're going to see indictments this month

Speaker 12 I think we're going to see indictments this month it's so hard to keep it straight I my I apologize to the audience it's just so dense I try every show to say it in as clear terms as I can but it's so dense that it's hard hard.

Speaker 12 But here, let me take one more shot, okay? This is from one of the documents that was released

Speaker 12 late last week by Tulsi.

Speaker 12 And the headline here is that John Brennan, who is head of the CIA, briefed President Obama, Joe Biden, the vice president, DNI Clapper, and FBI Chief Comey on the possibility of the Clinton plan to tie Trump to Putin.

Speaker 12 It happened on August 3rd, 2016.

Speaker 12 So the head of the CIA sat down with Barack Obama and others and said, Hillary Clinton is getting ready to say falsely that there's a Russian influence operation here that involves Donald Trump.

Speaker 12 And his handwritten notes, Brennan's, after the meeting, said, read, quote, we're getting additional insight into Russian activities that cite alleged approval by Hillary Clinton on 26 July of a proposed plan from one of her foreign policy advisors to vilify Donald Trump by stirring up a scandal claiming Russian interference by the Russian security services.

Speaker 12 He knew. Obama knew it was coming.
And And then when those leaks started to come in that, oh, oh,

Speaker 12 he did bad things with prostitutes in Russia and Putin has compromised on him. Or, oh, the Russians hacked the DNC email.
Instead, they didn't stop and say, oh, this is the Hillary Clinton plan.

Speaker 12 Who's behind this information? Oh, wait, that stuff about the prostitutes came from the Steele dossier. Who funded that? The Clinton campaign.

Speaker 12 Oh, that stuff that the DNC was allegedly hacked by the Russians, that came from a group called CrowdStrike. Who's paying them? The Clinton campaign.
They didn't stop to say any of that.

Speaker 12 They buried all of that. They ignored that.

Speaker 12 They used the steel dossier as if it were real evidence and the crowd strike information as though it were real evidence to hang this around Trump like an albatross.

Speaker 12 And then there's Obama talking about it, an NPR, after Hillary is lost. Like, we all knew that the Russians did this.
We've known for months. It was obvious to everyone.

Speaker 12 The whole thing was so pernicious. It was such a disgusting, dirty, dangerous lie.
And there will be accountability, Michael.

Speaker 12 I'm really starting to believe we're going to see indictments as soon as this month because the statute of limitation is about to run on some of the lies that were told during Durham's investigation, which was 2020.

Speaker 12 Five-year federal perjury statute. And some of the lies were told in August of 2020.
So it's on. The clock is ticking.

Speaker 11 And I would love to see nothing more.

Speaker 11 The reason why it's so important for the people who say, well, don't relitigate the politics of 10 years ago. Yeah, whatever.
But Trump won. All's well that ends well.

Speaker 11 The reason that there has to be consequences is because if you don't punish the people for doing these extremely corrupt things, they're just going to keep doing it.

Speaker 11 And then don't complain to me when next cycle or the cycle after that, you get another version of this.

Speaker 11 In politics, you need sticks and carrots, and there are a lot of carrots for good positive behavior, but sometimes you need to bring the stick. And I hope you're right, Megan.

Speaker 11 I hope we see the stick come down and we see some real indictments.

Speaker 12 I agree with you on on the deterrence factor, but it's also the justice of it. They

Speaker 12 stole his first term as president.

Speaker 12 These absolute liars who run around trying to act like they're the protectors of democracy completely ruined it, tried to undermine it at every turn and at the highest levels with lies, with out-and-out lies that were really serious and changed foreign policy and changed the course of history in this country in Trump's presidency.

Speaker 12 And there must be accountability. There has to be actual criminal accountability for those who lied.
And I can't wait to see this administration do it. Michael Knowles, a pleasure, my friend.

Speaker 12 Thank you for being here.

Speaker 11 Megan, always great to be with you. See you next time.

Speaker 12 Oh, I love when you're out. Okay, we're back tomorrow with an MK true crime preview with eight, count them eight of our Kelly's court favorites.
One of the cases we're going to take on,

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