Carolla on Ellen, End of Woke Brands, Dems in Denial, and Paltrow's Bland Bio - MK Media Highlights

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Speaker 12 I'm Megan Kelly. Welcome to this special episode today featuring some highlights from our MK Media stars on our MK Media Podcast Network shows this week, just in case you missed their highlights.

Speaker 12 I got them for you. Emily Jashinsky had Adam Carolla live on After Party this week, where they dug into Stephen Colbert and the truth about Ellen.

Speaker 12 Link Lauren, he took a look at the way brands like Nike and yes, American Eagle have swung back from their woke moments back in 2020. Thank God.
He did that on his show, Spot On.

Speaker 12 Mark Halperin got into the state of the Democratic Party on Next Up and why their leaders are in denial right now.

Speaker 12 And Maureen Callahan took on Gwyneth Paltrow's bland new biography on her show, The Nerve. Enjoy, and we'll see you Monday.

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Speaker 15 One reason actually people alienate half of their audience is because so many fewer people are watching in general that it's easier to sell ads to a loyal group of people rather than trying to bring in a giant piece of the pie because everyone has so many different choices.

Speaker 15 Do you think that's what's going on here, or is there something else happening?

Speaker 18 I, you know, I don't know what the dynamic is behind a lot of stuff. Like, I can't tell if it's just a personal preference thing or it's an overt, you know, attempt to make money.

Speaker 18 I personally have just always sort of said what I wanted to say, and I never really thought much about who was angry or who was listening or anything.

Speaker 18 I mean, every comedian says that, but I think some probably don't.

Speaker 18 I think Colbert

Speaker 18 and any late night comedian,

Speaker 18 and by the way,

Speaker 18 news anchors used to be this way and Sunday show anchors used to be this way and reporters used to be this way. They felt there was a kind of a thing in our society in general where

Speaker 18 you were a little bit stoic about things. There's no Pedro Pascal talking about all his emotional difficulties he's having.

Speaker 15 Is he not stoic?

Speaker 18 Yeah, you want to call a guy pussy, right?

Speaker 18 And throwing him off the ship. Like,

Speaker 18 well, what I'm saying is, is

Speaker 18 There isn't, I mean, I'm just sort of thinking this out in real time, but it wasn't about late night and it wasn't about politics it was in general if i'm having issues at home or i'm issue with my children or whatever that's our business that's like our family business i'm not going to take to some

Speaker 18 Twitter that didn't exist back then, but you know, write op-ed pieces and stuff talking about how much I hate my daughter or something, or my son's transitioning or something.

Speaker 15 You know, it was like, there was a decorum.

Speaker 18 You know, it's like people used to dress to go on an airplane, you know, know and so late night show hosts news anchors news reporters doctors and lawyers weren't going to oblige and give you let you know how they felt about everyone all the time you know they you know if you if you'd brought up a trump-like character you know in the 60s then jack parr would have said well not exactly my cup of tea but i'm sure some people find him amusing or some some something snarky and a little underhanded but they wouldn't go fuck trump and start screaming it over and over again into a camera lens you know so it's like there was a decorum

Speaker 18 and we didn't know what johnny carson thought politically because he didn't want us to because he didn't believe

Speaker 18 just like whatever marital issues he was having or or or situations at home, that wasn't our business. He was there to entertain us and we weren't there to know everything about him.

Speaker 18 And now we've gone into some realm where these people have to be more than talking heads who entertain us. They have to be our friends and our, you know, co-sponsors.
And so they're going to start

Speaker 18 talking about things that they never would have talked about that were personal.

Speaker 18 You know,

Speaker 18 Jay, I should say, David Letterman famously had his whole heart situation and a medical scare. And he got out there and,

Speaker 18 you know came to tears and was talking about the surgeons that saved him and stuff and it was a moving moment but johnny carson wouldn't have done that because that wasn't for us you know and it wasn't comedy it was he was doing the comedy that was him that was his doctor so i think in general it's just a lot more sharing going on and i think if it's you know the ladies from the view or a late night show i think we're going to know how they feel about politics nowadays there's no more of that.

Speaker 18 And I don't know that people want to go back to those days where we had no idea. You know, I mean, hell, a guy could be gay for 50 years and be on TV every day.

Speaker 17 No one knew it.

Speaker 18 That guy's a bachelor and he's 74 years old.

Speaker 15 Well, we knew David Letterman wasn't gay.

Speaker 16 Let's roll this clip of Johnny Carson.

Speaker 17 He had a room.

Speaker 15 Let's roll Johnny Carson. This is F S5.
He was being interviewed, actually, by Mike Wallace. And this sort of gets to, I think, the sentiment that used to drive the entire late-night ecosystem.

Speaker 15 So this is S5.

Speaker 20 Do you get sensitive about the fact that people say he'll never take a serious controversy? Well, I have an answer to that. I said, now, tell me the last time that Jack Benny, Red Skelton,

Speaker 20 Benny comedian, used his show to do serious issues. That's not what I'm there for.
Can't they see that?

Speaker 20 But you're neither do they think that just because you have a tonight show that you must deal in serious issues.

Speaker 20 That's a danger. It's a real danger.
Once you start that,

Speaker 20 you start to get that self-important feeling that what you say has great import. And, you know, strangely enough, you could use that show as a forum.
You could sway people.

Speaker 20 And I don't think you should as an entertainer.

Speaker 15 Adam, there, it's almost eerie how accurately he describes what Stephen Colbert has become, at least from my perspective.

Speaker 18 Yeah, I agree. And, And, you know, I mean, sadly, there's a lot of,

Speaker 18 look, I wrote a book

Speaker 18 15 years ago called 50 Years Wallby Chicks, and basically happened in 12 years.

Speaker 18 So, I mean, there's lots of tape, lots of books, lots of KGB agents from the 80s explaining what they're going to do to the American mind. And you go, but that's what we just did.

Speaker 18 That was COVID, you know. So

Speaker 18 there's a lot of prescient stuff out there.

Speaker 18 I agree. On the other hand,

Speaker 18 it's your show and it's got your name on it. And you should be able to say what you want.

Speaker 18 And then

Speaker 18 once you say what you want, you should be prepared for any consequences that may arise from saying whatever you want. So I think that's the stage we're at.

Speaker 18 I don't find it. I don't feel like Colbert's been victimized.
And I don't feel like this is anything other than what shall be when you just do what you want to do. I mean, personally,

Speaker 18 I, you know, as long as stuff is funny, that's kind of, that's the bar that it needs to clear for me. Sometimes stuff just turns into something else, like activism or something.

Speaker 15 Yeah, let's let's let's put this Trump post up. This is F1.
This was a Truth Social from last Tuesday.

Speaker 15 He said the word is, and it's a strong word at that, Jimmy Kimmel is next to go in the untalented late-night sweepstakes, and shortly thereafter, Fallon will be gone.

Speaker 15 These are people with absolutely no talent who were paid millions of dollars for, in all cases, destroying what used to be great television.

Speaker 15 It's really good to see them go, and I hope I played a major part in it. Let's also then put up Kimmel's response.
This is F2.

Speaker 15 He said, I'm hearing you're next responding to Trump, or maybe it's just another wonderful secret, alluding, of course, to that Wall Street Journal report that Donald Trump said something about a wonderful secret in a Jeffrey Epstein birthday book, which is something that sounds like a mad lib.

Speaker 15 But Adam, did you predict that Kimmel would become a chick this quickly?

Speaker 18 Well, first off, can we leave poor Jimmy Fallon out of this? That guy

Speaker 18 just does impersonations, does a great Bruce Springsteen, plays acoustic guitar. That's true.
I mean, I don't know how he got balled up in this whole mess.

Speaker 18 I don't know that Fallon's has ever done anything political.

Speaker 18 Jimmy is always been

Speaker 18 feisty, I guess, would be the.

Speaker 18 When we were taping the man show once,

Speaker 18 he literally almost punched. He almost punched a guy in like the front row, kept telling him to shut up or something.
The guy, like, I don't know, the guy was probably drunk or something. And

Speaker 17 I was like, you're going to have a, it's going to be a lawsuit.

Speaker 15 I don't know. So you were the chick in that situation.

Speaker 22 I was the

Speaker 18 I was the chick in that situation.

Speaker 18 Jimmy hates Trump. Trump hates Jimmy.

Speaker 18 Jimmy's pretty alpha E. Trump's pretty alpha E.
I realize there's a lot of alpha on alpha battles going on. You know, us betas are just popping the popcorn and sitting back and watching.

Speaker 16 Letting the alpha

Speaker 18 weird.

Speaker 18 I like Trump and I like Jimmy. I've known them both.
Obviously, I know Jimmy

Speaker 18 a lot better. They're both exquisitely different, but, you know, there may be some of the same kind of alpha componentry somewhere lurking in both of them.

Speaker 18 And, you know, the thing about Jimmy is my daughter's working for him

Speaker 18 right now.

Speaker 18 I mean, not at the show. She's on it, doing his alon.

Speaker 18 But, no, she's at the show. And

Speaker 18 he's treated me and my family and my kids, especially like,

Speaker 18 you know, precious gems his whole life. He's always been generous with me.
He's always been good with me. So I cannot summon any negative words about Jimmy Kimmel.

Speaker 18 I don't agree with everything that comes out of his mouth, but I didn't agree with everything that came out of his mouth when we shared an office together. for all those years.

Speaker 18 But I've always loved Jimmy and I've always felt indebted to Jimmy. And I like Trump as well.
And there is

Speaker 18 probably

Speaker 18 some universe somewhere where those two avatars could have a beer and have a laugh, but

Speaker 18 not today.

Speaker 15 What a beautiful moment, though.

Speaker 15 But is so, okay, Trump is actually arguing something that a lot of his detractors or a lot of his supporters are not. They're saying this had nothing to really do with Donald Trump.

Speaker 15 It was just that Colbert wasn't very funny. And here you have Trump saying, I hope I was the reason that Colbert started to fail.

Speaker 18 I don't like when people hang the not funny on people they disagree with. You know what I mean? Like, I disagree with a lot of comedians.

Speaker 18 And there are some who aren't funny, but like, you can't go about Jimmy. You can't go, not funny.
You know what I mean? And in a weird way, I think you hurt your case,

Speaker 18 you know, when you just start

Speaker 18 people,

Speaker 18 I've had it obviously done to me. People do that thing where they go, this guy's an asshole and he's not funny.
It's like, well,

Speaker 18 you know, Jimmy's been doing comedy for 30, you know, he's been getting paid to do comedy for 35 years.

Speaker 18 He is funny. He knows how to be funny.
You may not agree with

Speaker 18 some of his jokes. But I don't like when people get, you know, wholesale-y, you know, the untalented Jimmy Fowler.
Like, Jimmy Fowler's a very talented guy.

Speaker 18 And I get what Trump's doing. You know, he's got to paint with

Speaker 18 a broad brush.

Speaker 17 But

Speaker 18 in a weird way, I think you kind of hurt. You know, I'll put it to you this way.

Speaker 18 It's like when AOC goes,

Speaker 18 Elon Musk, that guy's an idiot, man. He don't know anything, man.
It's like, okay, bitch, you seem stupid. You seem really stupid now.
Cause, yes. He knows things.

Speaker 18 I'd say it's fair to say he's not an idiot. And by the way, if he's idiot,

Speaker 18 if Elon Musk is an idiot, that makes AOC fully retarded.

Speaker 18 Right? I mean, she's got to be almost vegetable.

Speaker 15 Medically.

Speaker 18 She's like Terry Shiva.

Speaker 17 I mean, right?

Speaker 18 I mean, if you're just doing...

Speaker 18 Well, we're not in good shape either if Elon Musk is an imbecile. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.
On the grand scheme of things. But

Speaker 18 so I don't like when people do that just say you know the guy's smart he's done some good things i disagree with this latest thing he did or whatever that whatever that thing whatever your bitch is currently you know but uh i feel that way with comedians i hate when people go unfunny you know well it's the same standards like if if the resistance wine moms are laughing at something that colbert said

Speaker 15 and the like MAGA voters are laughing at something that a kind of right-wing coded comedian said, it's funny because people are laughing. It's sort of the same.
It meets the same very low bar.

Speaker 18 Yeah.

Speaker 18 Well, I don't, you know, I do think,

Speaker 18 I do think Trump is responsible for a lot of

Speaker 18 people's, I don't know, demise. I'm not talking about Kimmel, but I'm just saying.
In general, he gets under their skin and then they get a sort of obsession with him and then they become preoccupied.

Speaker 18 And it's, it's like in a a movie,

Speaker 18 it's like in a basketball movie where you say to your little player, you know, go bug their star center. Just keep bugging it.

Speaker 18 And eventually the guy snaps and punches him and gets thrown out of the game. Like there's an element of that with Trump.
And the guy's laying on the ground.

Speaker 18 He's got a bloody nose and he looks at his coach and he smiles, you know, because that guy's going to the locker room. There's an element of that with Trump.

Speaker 15 Well, okay, so that's a great,

Speaker 15 that was a great transition into the one and only Ellen DeGeneres.

Speaker 15 And I want to ask you adam if you stick around through this very quick break all about ellen's uh move over to the united kingdom first though over the years I have of course been clear about this.

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Speaker 15 That's pre-born.com/slash Emily. Speaking of babies, let's bring Adam Carolla back in to weigh in on Ellen DeGeneres, who is now in the United Kingdom for some reason.

Speaker 15 So let's go ahead and roll this clip of Ellen DeGeneres from last week, S7, talking about what she perceives as a grave injustice occurring under our noses here in the United States.

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Speaker 23 The Baptist church in America is trying to reverse gay marriage. They're trying to, at the very least, stop it from happening in the future and possibly reverse it.

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Speaker 16 Honest to God,

Speaker 15 how is she? I thought they were married years ago.

Speaker 15 She says she's also, this is F3.

Speaker 15 She says she moved to the UK because of Trump, which reminds me of exactly what you were just saying, Adam, that something about Trump himself seems to have triggered the unraveling of very talented people.

Speaker 15 Do you consider Ellen to be one such case?

Speaker 18 Well, Ellen has always been a mean person.

Speaker 18 And it's not, you know, she had her dusted up with the press and these stories probably three years, two or three years ago, but I did her show.

Speaker 18 And I, I mean, look, I'll tell you truthfully, sort of how it works when you do every show. Every show

Speaker 18 has its own kind of personality, the show itself, not the on-air show, but the behind the scenes. They all take on sort of the personality of their leader.

Speaker 18 And it's sort of like when you go into a business and people are always all friendly, or they go into a business and everyone's sort of douchey, you know, and you're going like, what's going?

Speaker 18 Why is everyone so mean and crappy in this business? You know, it's the owner is that way, you know.

Speaker 18 And

Speaker 18 so when you would go do Letterman,

Speaker 18 I'll start here. When you do Leno, Leno was fun and breezy and easy and people were nice and they were kind of laid back and they weren't looking over their shoulder at all.

Speaker 18 and it was very kind of laid back and

Speaker 18 kimmel's show is is laid back and nice and people are nice and uh lenerman's show people are scared or they were

Speaker 18 they were scared when i did it

Speaker 18 two times i did they're sort of they're scared because dave is would scare them

Speaker 18 and ellen's show people were scared real scared and and i knew they were scared because it's like i was just sitting in the my dressing room and their like segment producer came in and he went, all right, so we've went over all the stuff we're going to talk about, you know, Christmas vacation or whatever it was.

Speaker 18 And I go, yeah, yeah. And he goes, you're not going to talk about meat or beef or anything like that, right? And I go, no, I'm not.

Speaker 18 I'm just going to talk about the.

Speaker 18 stuff we talked about going on vacation or christmas or the kids or you know their anecdotes you know you know okay all right okay all right and he like came back like 20 minutes later before, right before I went out.

Speaker 18 He's like, Okay, but don't talk about beef or meat or any.

Speaker 16 And I was like, You got two warnings?

Speaker 18 Yeah, yeah. And I was like, oh, this guy's scared to death.
This guy's scared. And then, and then later on, I talked to someone who signed an NDA, so I won't say his name, but he wrote for Ellen.

Speaker 18 And I just went, How's Ellen? And he said, worst person,

Speaker 18 worst person. And then he went, not worst person I've worked for, worst person I've ever met.

Speaker 18 And by the way, I knew the guy did Rosie when Rosie was Judy Chubb Club, the worst and the meanest.

Speaker 18 So, I don't know, some kind of

Speaker 18 some sort of mean off between Rosie in her prime and Ellen in her prime, you know, the two clash of the Titans.

Speaker 15 Um, mixing mud wrestling, she's uh,

Speaker 18 I like that, but

Speaker 18 so

Speaker 18 um,

Speaker 18 she's not a nice person at all,

Speaker 18 which now everyone knows what I knew 15 years ago or whenever I learned it, but now that seems to be common knowledge, which I would expect, I was trying to explain to everyone how mean she was.

Speaker 18 Not because she was mean to me, because everyone was scared of her, which means she's mean. She's not going to be mean to me.
I'm a guest on the show, right? So I wouldn't know it from my exchanges.

Speaker 18 I would know it with how her staff was cowering.

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Speaker 16 after years and years of wokeness someone's in an advertisement that doesn't look exactly like you get over it and nike nike is another brand like american eagle they've decided to revert back to their core competencies they're now prioritizing tradition conservative values family by putting scottie scheffler in this new nike ad where he's with his child.

Speaker 16 It is a beautiful Nike ad, and it's in sharp contrast to their 2020 ad, Own the Floor, where they had plus size women. So they're switching it up, right? They tried one thing, right?

Speaker 16 The last four years with Joe Biden in this post-November 5th world, where President Trump won overwhelmingly, they're switching back now because it's popular to love your family, to be healthy, to be active, to get outdoors, to promote traditional conservative values.

Speaker 16 That is what's popular now. And so Nike and a lot of these big brands, because of the free market, because of capitalism, they are going back to what they knew years ago.

Speaker 16 And it's why you see this side by side of how the ads looked years ago ago and how they look now.

Speaker 16 And of course, some people are going to choose to be offended, but there is no guarantee in life that every single brand is going to have someone that looks like you in an advertisement. Okay.

Speaker 16 If you want to get upset with Nike, that's fine, but you can also just go to buy the sneakers and the shorts and the athletic gear. That's what you're supposed to be in the store for.

Speaker 16 But there are also some other brands like Calvin Klein, right? Calvin Klein, Calvin Klein, which was all about hotness, right?

Speaker 16 Calvin Klein, they did all these hot ads with Mark Wahlberg and Nick Jonas. Everybody was doing these Calvin Calvin Klein ads, you know, in the 90s and the early 2000s.
It was a whole thing.

Speaker 16 Calvin Klein decided to go woke and go broke. Also, I believe they put a bunch of like non-binary women with beards and men in dresses.

Speaker 16 Calvin Klein, I don't know what was happening in those marketing meetings. We'll put it up on the screen, but they decided to go woke and go broke as well.
Now, can we just have some hot people?

Speaker 16 Okay, is it too much to ask that we have some hot people in ads? Maybe it will drive some traffic to the website.

Speaker 16 Maybe it'll drive traffic to the stores because I don't want to see like some overweight non-binary man woman with a beard like a freaking circus clown selling me underwear. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 16 I don't need a circus clown selling me underwear. And Calvin Klein, they've now gone back to putting some hot people in ads.
Okay, they have this new ad with Lily Collins. She looks gorgeous.

Speaker 16 She looks stunning. If you look at Bad Bunny, if you look at these other people in the Calvin Klein ads, they have clearly done an about face, a 180.

Speaker 16 They've left the non-binary Chewbacca trolls behind, and now they're prioritizing hotness.

Speaker 16 And what confuses me also when it comes to these brands that went so woke and so broke, non-binary people are like 0.00000 whatever percent of the population.

Speaker 16 But Calvin Klein, because of DEI, ESG, whatever, a lot of these big brands thought we need to jump on this bandwagon. This is what we need to do.
Sort of like Bud Light with Dylan Mulvaney.

Speaker 16 Let's stray from everything we've known and everything that's worked for years and try this ridiculous tomfoolery, buffoonery, and clownery. Guess what? It didn't work.
It didn't work.

Speaker 16 So now you've got Sydney Sweeney, you've got American Eagle. People are in an uproar.

Speaker 16 But also, this is something money can't buy because you'd have to spend a lot of money to get people talking about your brand. Now they're all talking about your brand.

Speaker 16 Now, last night, I was talking to my producer, and this reminded us of the Victoria Secret Fashion Show. Now, as a gay man, a 100%

Speaker 16 gay man here in 2025, I will tell you with unequivocal certainty, I would make it appointment viewing to sit down and watch the Victoria Secret fashion show. Okay, I love the entertainment.

Speaker 16 I love the pageantry. I love the music.
They always had like Taylor Swift performing, or they had Maroon 5, or whoever the hell was performing at the Victoria Secret fashion show.

Speaker 16 And I love to see the superhuman size 0000 seven-foot-tall Amazonian models traipes down the runway in ridiculous clownery outfits, okay? That is why I like the Victoria Secret Fashion Show.

Speaker 16 And it's probably why a ton of you also tuned in to the Victoria Secret fashion show.

Speaker 16 Well, a few years ago, they tried to cancel the Victoria's Secret fashion show because Ed Razick, one of the developers of Victoria's Secret, one of the producers of the iconic fashion show, made a comment about, oh, trans women aren't the fantasy.

Speaker 16 Trans people aren't the fantasy, right? He should be allowed to have his opinion. Well, he got canceled.
He got so freaking canceled by the woke mob.

Speaker 16 In fact, they didn't even do a Victoria's Secret fashion show for years. They did not do one for years.

Speaker 16 Well, they came back recently with a Victoria's Secret fashion show and they said, you know what?

Speaker 16 Get those skinny bitches in here, get those size quadruple zeros in here, put the wings on, get the freaking music going, and strut down the runway and make sure there's film in those cameras.

Speaker 16 And we all loved it. Okay.
Nobody out there thinks they should look like Bella Hadid all the time. Okay.

Speaker 16 Unless you are insecure, unless you're insecure and you're not living in reality, you know that these are alien, superhuman people who have personal trainers, personal chefs, plastic surgeons, aestheticians.

Speaker 16 Okay. Us as civilians, we're not supposed to look like superhuman models, but some folks still get offended by seeing skinny models on television.

Speaker 16 And that's sort of the dichotomy I'm trying to paint for you here in this episode right now. There are brands that are allowed to put skinny, tall, supermodels in advertisements.

Speaker 16 Does that look like 99% of the country? No. Does it look like 99% of my group of friends and family who are of all different shapes and sizes and backgrounds? Absolutely not.

Speaker 16 But if you choose to be offended, that is because you are insecure and you have thin skin. We shouldn't be so offended all the time that brands choose to give us some skinny models.
You know what?

Speaker 16 If American Eagle decides we're going to put Sidney Sweeney, a skinny little hot blonde chick on January in Hollywood in an advertisement, and you choose to be offended, that's on you.

Speaker 16 You're allowing that to erode your happiness and eat away at you, okay? Not everyone is going to look like you all the time.

Speaker 16 I walk into rooms, I walk into meetings, and sometimes I'm the only gay person in there. But you know what? I I don't make being gay my entire personality.

Speaker 16 And so for these folks at home, these liberals on the internet, they feel so upset when they see Sidney Sweeney or so upset when they see the Victoria's Secret fashion show and these skinny models because they're so insecure.

Speaker 16 They need such outside affirmation all of the time. They need to see someone who looks exactly like them, which is tough because some of y'all look like trolls and you look like Chewbacca, okay?

Speaker 16 It's tough. Some of these like LGBTQIA R2D2 non-binary folks sitting around on TikTok with the pride flags in the background, as we just showed you.

Speaker 16 They choose to be offended, but someone isn't always gonna look like you in every single TV show.

Speaker 16 And they've ruined plenty of good TV shows, which we'll get to later in the episode, because they feel like they have to check every single box and every single quota.

Speaker 16 If you choose to be offended by Victoria's Secret, that's on you. If you choose to be offended by American Eagle, that's on you.

Speaker 16 And you should go look in the mirror and get comfortable with who you are and your own skin. That is how I live.

Speaker 16 And that's the advice I give to so many people, especially young people growing up who message me, who leave comments.

Speaker 16 And this is the advice I give to parents who are raising young kids and raising young adults going out into the world. Be comfortable with who you are.
It might take a journey.

Speaker 16 It might take years, but figure out who the hell you are. So when you go out into the real world, you're strong, you're secure, you know who you are, and you can't be offended by every little thing.

Speaker 16 You can't be knocked off your rocker. Okay, because a brand puts some skinny model who doesn't look like you in an advertisement.

Speaker 16 You can't be knocked off your rocker because someone makes a negative comment about the way you look, maybe on your social media, because that's the way the world is.

Speaker 16 Do the work to figure out who you are and to be confident and secure and you are who you are so you can go out into the world and get shit done. Okay, that's what I did.

Speaker 16 I knew growing up, I'm not going to be a six foot tall supermodel, but communication is my skill and it's what I was put on this earth to do.

Speaker 16 So go to the drawing board and figure out what you were supposed to do in this world. And it might not be being a supermodel because for 99.9% of us, that is not

Speaker 16 the career path laid in front of us. We aren't all going to be Bella Hadid, Gigi Hadid, and Kendall Jenner.
That's okay. But you have to make the choice not to be offended constantly.

Speaker 16 And it's interesting to see these brands go from woke back to what was working for them before for decades.

Speaker 17 But I think there are four things at least that are objectively in the interest of the United States. One would be immigration, controlling the border.

Speaker 17 Trump has clearly in this area and all four of the areas I'm going to list, he's clearly done some things that people rightly say are overstep,

Speaker 17 that that these policies have some downsides. But controlling the border is something that's in the national interest, something a majority of the Americans want.

Speaker 17 Trump has created a spectacle, but he's also shifted the paradigm on what it takes to close the border and how effective it can be. Number two, tariffs.
Okay. Trump has changed the paradigm there too.

Speaker 17 Lots of these countries now are doing what the United States wants. The coverage this week of the deal with the EU.

Speaker 17 favorable to the United States, favorable to Trump. Even news organizations that don't normally say positive things about Trump have said this is in the United States interest.

Speaker 17 Trump got a good deal out of this. And again,

Speaker 17 the goal is clear. He wants to re-engineer global trade by leveraging the U.S.
market and other American advantages without hurting the American or global economy. Right now, that appears on track.

Speaker 17 It's early. These deals are not fleshed out yet.
But I'll say again, this is another area of a Trump achievement in the national interest. Other presidents didn't do it, just like closing the border.

Speaker 17 And Democrats just pretend it's just a total failure. Same with number three, controlling the size of the workforce.

Speaker 17 Trump has turbocharged the capacity of a White House to control the size of the bureaucracy.

Speaker 17 He already has eliminated a lot of positions. He plans to eliminate more.
This concept that we've had for decades that

Speaker 17 the federal government is just going to keep growing,

Speaker 17 he's figured out a way to change that. Again, popular, not in every respect, overreach in some areas, but this is another area that Democrats are simply criticizing.

Speaker 17 Finally, as I mentioned before, NATO, where Trump has ensured that terms and conditions apply now to be a member.

Speaker 17 He's changed the relationship from one where the European countries were free-riding and freeloading to one now that's more transactional.

Speaker 17 It's a post-globalist arrangement in which the alliance can live on, but on terms that are far more favorable. to the United States.

Speaker 17 Now, again, I say again, in each case, there are objectively downsides to what Trump has done.

Speaker 17 but i'll say also in each case that overall these directionally are positive and popular and no other recent president has had the research requisite desire or drive to change the status quo in such a fundamental way

Speaker 17 in this country the democrats simply accentuate the downsides of these achievements they find and highlight the weak links and there are weak links rather than grappling with what's actually happening that i think is more important that the trends in this country in terms terms of public opinion have fueled Trump's rise and capacity to get stuff done.

Speaker 17 Trump has understood where public opinion was on these issues and others. And the Democratic Party has been and largely remains clueless.
Okay.

Speaker 17 This is to me fundamental if you're thinking about the connection between what Trump has done and what's happened with the Democratic Party. And it's not just the United States.

Speaker 17 Trump has read the mood of where things are and these issues and others. And the Democrats have failed.
The American left has failed on these and other issues.

Speaker 17 So if you look at Europe and the other industrialized democracies in the West, you see the same conditions that have grown over decades that have caused rebellion against the parties on the left, out of control, mass migration, out of control crime, the dominant

Speaker 17 influence of wokeness and all sorts of cultural institutions, the LGBTQ changes that many have seen as overreach, particularly in in the area of trans.

Speaker 17 Censorship, over-regulation, cancellation, neo-socialism, all these things exist in other countries. Kim Strossel has written about what's happened to the United States in the Wall Street Journal.

Speaker 17 Very good focus that most Democrats haven't even thought about. Open borders, unrestrained spending, supports for teachers' unions when they're acting antithetical to the interests of our kids.

Speaker 17 an obsessive focus on climate change,

Speaker 17 bashing the police, being against Israel, the dominance of identity politics.

Speaker 17 All of this has caused Democrats in this country to lose support from demographic groups, independent of Donald Trump, although Trump has taken advantage of that.

Speaker 17 Imagine if the Democrats, if the Republicans rather, were losing support from interest groups that had long been a bedrock of their electoral success.

Speaker 17 Imagine if the reverse were happening, how much the media would cover it. This is a massive story.
Democrats losing support from voters of color, from younger voters, massive. Now, Trump is singular.

Speaker 17 All these other industrialized democracies, they have the same issues. But what's different is they haven't found their version of Trump.

Speaker 17 There have been kind of poor man's versions of Trump, but they haven't succeeded. They haven't had Trump's skill.

Speaker 17 They haven't had Trump's level of aggressiveness, tough enough and determined enough to take on the old order.

Speaker 17 So what's happened to these other countries with their left parties, their equivalents of the Democratic Party, is they're weaker than they were before, but they're not crushed.

Speaker 17 They haven't declined as precipitously in most cases the way the Democratic Party has, who is now as low as they've been in poll after poll.

Speaker 17 I'm thinking about this stuff, and I talk to some Democrats who are, but very few prominent Democrats, whether you're talking about people in elective office, you're talking about activists or writers or people in think tanks, they're not even vaguely grappling with this problem in public.

Speaker 17 Why? Because they fear that the activist left will push them out of the party or cancel them.

Speaker 17 And because most of them lack the creativity and self-awareness that's required to say how did this happen how far back has this been going on some of these trends are go well before donald trump's rise when the few democrats do tepidly and timidly put their toe in the water and say

Speaker 17 what what have we done wrong they do it in a way that doesn't really give voice to a full analysis of what's happened and what needs to happen next because they're afraid as i said of being canceled by the left they're afraid of being out of step with the activist wing of the party.

Speaker 17 So, Nira Tandon, a liberal, advisor to Hillary Clinton, advisor to Joe Biden, one of the smartest people in the Democratic Party, in my experience, very knowledgeable.

Speaker 17 She wrote Not Bed Peace in the Wall Street Journal, not in the Washington Post, not in the New York Times, but in the journal, a conservative editorial page.

Speaker 17 And she admitted that the Biden administration that she was part of, a big part of it, and advising on domestic policy, screwed up on the Mexican border.

Speaker 17 And she called for comprehensive immigration reform. She rightly in her piece put in sharp relief all the unpopular elements of Donald, of

Speaker 17 President Trump's immigration policies, because some of the things Donald Trump has done are unpopular on the border.

Speaker 17 But she also felt compelled to call for a path to citizenship for some of the people in this country illegally. That is known by many Americans as amnesty.

Speaker 17 And she criticized other elements of what Donald Trump has done to try to stay on the good side of her liberal wing of her party.

Speaker 17 If the Democrats can't figure out how to lead with being tough in 2028,

Speaker 17 whoever the Republicans nominate, whether it's Vance or somebody else, they'll make men's meet of the Democrats.

Speaker 17 In Trump world, they laugh at how, even now, even after Donald Trump's victory in 2024 was clearly fueled in large part by immigration, they laugh at how much the Democrats still don't have a clue on immigration and a range of other issues.

Speaker 17 Then you think about New York City and the nomination by the Democrats of Mr. Mandani to be their mayoral candidate.

Speaker 17 The reaction to that, again, reveals how clueless far too many Democrats are about what his election would mean for their brand.

Speaker 17 Republicans are salivating at the notion of having Donald Trump be able to run against Mandami and campaign against him if he's the mayor of New York City.

Speaker 17 Now, there are people in Trump's orbit who don't want him to win because they think he'd ruin the city. And some of them have pretty big investments in New York.
So there's cross-pressure there.

Speaker 17 But on the left, they continue to not grapple with what it would mean to elect someone with Mondami's background and stated positions on the economy and law enforcement, a range of other issues.

Speaker 17 There was an op-ed piece for the New York Times by a woman named Tressie McMillan Cotton.

Speaker 17 She argued that the opposition to Mondami is based pretty much solely on his racial heritage rather than say the fact that he's a socialist. Okay.

Speaker 17 New York Post story this week talked about how so many prominent people in the party, in the Republican Party, plan to make Mondami the face of the Democrats.

Speaker 17 And then you have people like Chuck Schumer, Hakeem Jeffries, the leading Democrats in Congress, both from New York City, Kathy Hochle, the mayor of New York, the governor of New York.

Speaker 17 They know how dangerous this is politically for the party. They're really worried about it.

Speaker 17 But except for the fact that none of those three have publicly endorsed Mondami yet, they're frozen in amber because the base does not want to see them be outspoken against the nominee and they're worried that he he may win but they're not doing anything at least overtly to stop his march to victory who can solve this for the democrats who can speak out thoughtfully i don't think the current democratic party chair ken martin or the past party leaders barack obama kamala harris joe biden These folks are not well positioned to try to stop Donald Trump on his march to achieving more or to do the other task that needs to be done in parallel, rebuild their party's brand to try to come up with policies and ideas and messengers that could really make a difference.

Speaker 17 Okay.

Speaker 18 Trump's going to continue to have success and failures.

Speaker 17 The Democrats may do very well in the midterms. They may well.

Speaker 17 But in each case where Trump may have failure, I don't think it has much to do with the Democrats having a capacity.

Speaker 17 to affirmatively and assertively meet the moment, to rethink why voters are so down on their brand, to change their image on the economy, on social issues.

Speaker 17 Because based on all the available evidence, the Democrats actually, right now, are on worse shape than the polling suggests, because the polling is a snapshot of where we are.

Speaker 17 They're running out of time. Again,

Speaker 17 because of the nature of the midterms, because we don't know where the economy will be, we don't know what's going to happen with the Epstein story.

Speaker 17 It's possible that the Democrats will have a good 2026.

Speaker 17 But the Democrats I talk to are far less worried about 2026 in the midterms because this history suggests that even weak, the party could still do well enough to take back the House.

Speaker 17 What they're worried about is 2028.

Speaker 17 What they're worried about is the capacity of the party to redefine itself and to win back voters they'll need to win the White House, particularly because they are a party right now without strong candidates.

Speaker 17 The Democratic brand on its own right now,

Speaker 17 it appears to be on the wrong side of both the polling and of the history. And that's a big problem.
It's a big problem to be on the wrong side of polling and of history.

Speaker 17 You think back to where did this start to go wrong? As I said, some of these trends have been around forever.

Speaker 17 But what's to me, and talking to the smartest Democrats I know, what to me is their biggest concern is not the history, but the future.

Speaker 17 How can they fix this when so many of the dynamics on social issues, teachers' unions, the economy,

Speaker 17 immigration,

Speaker 17 government spending, relationship with NATO, on so many of these issues, there's no reflection about where things went wrong. And it's very hard for Democrats to criticize Donald Trump and praise him.

Speaker 17 Because if you give him any praise, think about in the first term with the Abraham Accords, ask any Democrat privately,

Speaker 17 what do you think of the Abraham Accords? Privately, they'll say fantastic. Ask them what they think about shutting down the border.
Most of them will say, great, huge accomplishment.

Speaker 17 But in our polarized red, blue America now, it's very hard for either party to praise. And

Speaker 17 you take heat from the base if you praise Donald Trump. And they're worried about what Donald Trump would do with that praise.

Speaker 17 But a realistic appraisal

Speaker 17 shows that Democrats are not getting on the right side of these issues. We're on the wrong side of public opinion, the wrong side of history.

Speaker 17 These other industrialized democracies, their liberal parties, have survived because they haven't faced Trump.

Speaker 17 And I'll say again, if you think Trump is a bad political athlete, you're making a mistake.

Speaker 17 Trump has lots of unpopular policy positions, but he knows how to mitigate them better than the Democrats know how to mitigate theirs.

Speaker 17 And he fights to get on the right side of issues when he's on the wrong side.

Speaker 17 Democrats, for instance, are counting on being on the right side of Medicaid and Medicaid spending and people on healthcare.

Speaker 17 Trump's not going to sit back passively and be on the wrong side of that. He'll do whatever he can as much as he needs to change.

Speaker 17 The Democrats have not shown the same level of awareness, the same level of nimbleness. And so I say, again, this question, how did the Democrats go wrong?

Speaker 17 And there's plenty of other things we could list. We've talked about some of them here.

Speaker 17 Trying to block Bernie Sanders from winning the nomination in 2016 and 2020, trying to keep Bobby Kennedy off the ballot, law affair against Trump.

Speaker 17 There's a whole range of things that are kind of episodic. that Democrats did in part because of Trump derangements and in part because they were too wedded wedded to the establishment of their party.

Speaker 17 It's a long list, but the core of the list is being on the right side of the issues that mattered to the American people.

Speaker 17 I still rarely find any Democrats who can speak with passion about how they got on the wrong side of the issue of trans athletes and girls and women's sports. Rarely.

Speaker 17 They continue to drift back towards the ideological base of the party.

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Speaker 19 The Gwyneth biography, which has been everywhere for about the past week, it's coming out today.

Speaker 19 Troublemaker,

Speaker 19 Troublemaker's everywhere. Just save your money.
Okay. I'll tell you what's in it and what's not in it and we can talk about it.

Speaker 19 I read it over the weekend and it was kind of a slog. It was kind of a slog.
And, you know, that's a lot to say for somebody who most people either love her or hate her, but there's no in between.

Speaker 19 So she's a polarizing. figure who has been in the culture for about 30 years.

Speaker 19 She's in in her 50s now. She got famous when she was in her early 20s.
I mean,

Speaker 19 we've been living with Gwyneth Paltrow for a long time, and it's the best you can come up with is the headlines. Okay, so there were a few takeaways we got last week.

Speaker 19 One of the most Gwyneth anecdotes ever, she had, she complained allegedly to a friend that she had to tell Brad Pitt the difference between

Speaker 19 beluga caviar and Ossetra caviar, which I had to look up. I didn't know the difference either.
I didn't know there was an Ossetra caviar. And she told

Speaker 19 the

Speaker 19 cosmetics scion, Aaron Lauder, that Brad Pitt is dumber than a sack of shit.

Speaker 19 And listen, I think Brad Pitt's got that coming. He's had it coming for a while now.
He's getting it.

Speaker 19 And there are also hints in this biography that Brad, even though he was a much bigger star when they got together, was threatened a bit by Gwyneth's, what was clearly a meteoric rise and that wouldn't surprise me now Gwyneth also according to this book Gwyneth the biography I mean you would think it was like a queen of England it's not that it's a short life she's only 50 okay according to this book she told the late makeup artist Kevin Aquan that she loved it when Ben Affleck teabagged her

Speaker 19 I understand that there may be troublemakers among you who do not know what trouble, sorry, you you know what trouble is, what teabagging is.

Speaker 19 And I'm going to pause here and pay homage to the great John Waters, whose movies like saved me as a kid.

Speaker 16 Like I like,

Speaker 19 I would go rent them and just like die. Just laugh till tears were coming down my face.

Speaker 19 Now he is credited with introducing the phrase teabagging into the lexicon. It was a movie he did called Pecker, I think.

Speaker 19 So this is, this is, I'm going to warn you, it's graphic.

Speaker 19 Children are around.

Speaker 19 You don't want to listen to this aloud.

Speaker 19 But it's very funny. So here is John explaining this sex act to a writer at Boing Boing in a piece that was published April 17th, 2009, John Waters.

Speaker 19 And I quote, teabagging, it sounds so dainty, doesn't it? It sounds like you took your tea bag out of your fine china and you just put it daintily on the saucer out of your sight.

Speaker 19 Tea bagging, John tells us, is

Speaker 19 quote, by my definition, the act of dragging your testicles across your partner's forehead. In the UK, it is dipping your testicles into your partner's mouth.

Speaker 19 I didn't invent the term or the act, but I did introduce it in my movie Pecker.

Speaker 19 Teabagging was also a popular dance step that male go-go boys did to their customers for tips at the Atlantis and now defunct bar in Baltimore. Hope this helps.

Speaker 19 John Waters always helps in the culture. He always always helps.
Now,

Speaker 16 the good part.

Speaker 19 It's all good, but this is great. Ben Affleck is scandalized by this.
He has been leveled by this. He is utterly furious and he is contemplating reportedly a lawsuit.

Speaker 19 An Affleck source told Radar Online last week that, quote, this isn't going away quietly. Ben is livid and he is ready to fight.
back.

Speaker 19 Now, I am sorry, but just like Brad Pitt, I'm not sorry, actually. This is Ben's karma.

Speaker 19 I bet Jennifer Garner was livid when rumors circulated that Ben was having an affair with Blake lively on the set of the town.

Speaker 19 Go look at those paparazzi pics of those two, the body language, or when he was accused of sleeping with the nanny, which he has always denied. But I mean, come on.

Speaker 19 She walked away with a drop-top lexi. She was going on social media, posting images and video of herself to Katy Perry's Girl on Fire.

Speaker 19 Or I'm sure, I'm sure, during his infamous Oscar speech, which we all just revisited an episode or so ago, in which he said that their marriage was work, or when he told Howard Stern that he drank himself into oblivion because he, I'm, I'm, I'm like, this is a,

Speaker 19 what do you call it? I'm not quoting directly.

Speaker 19 He felt trapped in their marriage. I mean, I think Ben can take this one, okay? I think he can field it elegantly and just accept it as payback.

Speaker 19 And we will come back to him later, as promised in the show when we get to Shlo's latest onstage.

Speaker 19 I mean, I would call them sexploits, but that almost sounds like

Speaker 19 it's darker than that. It's actually darker than that.
Now, okay, back to the Gwyneth book.

Speaker 19 There is otherwise really nothing in this book. Okay, the last half of the book is about goop and who cares?

Speaker 19 Do you really want to read about how she got the idea or how she came to uh you know do series a rounds of funding or how her her she interacts with her employees or her managerial style.

Speaker 19 Like, do you want to see the P ⁇ Ls, the profit and loss sheets? It's so dry. This book is so dry and it's clear that nobody in Gwyneth's circle talked to the author.
Nobody.

Speaker 19 The only passage, by the way, that's relevant for our purposes at the Nerve, it goes to one Amy Griffin.

Speaker 19 who I think I think her claims are specious at best.

Speaker 19 Those claims that are in the tell we addressed again in a recent episode, but I'm going to read the passage in this otherwise snooze of a book

Speaker 19 about,

Speaker 19 well, okay, so this graph first goes to Derek Blasberg, who

Speaker 19 she does clock

Speaker 16 accurately in here.

Speaker 19 And he is the guy who last summer

Speaker 19 Gwyneth was reportedly spreading the word that Derek had been a guest at her house in Amagansett and had fled in the middle of the night after

Speaker 19 literally shitting the bed and he left a mess for the maids to clean up and didn't leave a note or apparently even send a text giving a heads up. Fled like a thief in the night down Montauk Highway.

Speaker 16 Okay.

Speaker 19 When I first met him, meaning Derek, I was a little dubious, Gwyneth admitted. I was like, are you a professional friend of celebrities? Yes.
That's my side.

Speaker 19 Anyway, Gwyneth, the author then goes on to say,

Speaker 19 Gwyneth's circle around this time also included Amy Griffin, wife of billionaire hedge fund founder John Griffin, whose firm G9

Speaker 19 also invested in Goop.

Speaker 19 At first, Gwyneth told friends Griffin was one of her, quote, disciples, and quote, wants to be me. I hope Amy Griffin is listening.

Speaker 19 So good. You know it's true.
But then she moved closer to Griffin and distanced from others. Well, you know, Amy is a big, a big investor in goop.
So, you know, that's how that works. Okay.

Speaker 19 I also want to give you guys just a little peek behind the curtain as to how most of this stuff works, especially when it comes to unauthorized celebrity biographies. So

Speaker 19 the author will have a meeting with sales and marketing about six months before the publication. and

Speaker 19 they will say to the author what are the headlines what's the stuff that nobody knew before and that's the stuff we're going to try to plant as a first serial in like a meaning like a serial edition in like a people magazine we're going to try to get you booked on

Speaker 19 cbs sunday morning or the view or the today you know one of the very like there are very few mainstream media outlets left you can go to. So to get in is like, is really hard.

Speaker 19 And so usually, what happens is,

Speaker 19 unless you are bringing something really weighty to your subject matter,

Speaker 19 it's going to be the flashy stuff that gets the headlines and

Speaker 19 the first serial in People Magazine, which I believe was like three or four pages, like with art. And that's it.
And

Speaker 19 they stripped this book for those parts. There's nothing else in this book.
Nothing.

Speaker 19 It just makes me angry because it's such a money grab, you know? It's like, anyway, so Gwyneth,

Speaker 19 just the other day, this started going viral.

Speaker 19 You know, her ex-husband is Chris Martin of Coldplay, who has found himself in the news cycle over the astronomer couple who are having an affair and have since been fired, let go, resigned, whatever.

Speaker 19 And so

Speaker 19 I bet Astronomer went to her and they came up with this. Take a look.

Speaker 26 Thank you for your interest in Astronomer. Hi, I'm Gwyneth Paltrow.
I've been hired on a very temporary basis to speak on behalf of the 300-plus employees at Astronomer.

Speaker 26 Astronomer has gotten a lot of questions over the last few days, and they wanted me to answer the most common ones.

Speaker 26 Yes, Astronomer is the best place to run Apache Airflow.

Speaker 19 So if you're listening, the question in that little typing

Speaker 19 sound accompanying that was a graphic that said Q colon underneath

Speaker 19 OMG period. What the actual F?

Speaker 19 Very cute, very clever. And then we get, so that's likable Gwyneth.

Speaker 19 And see, this is where I really think a better author, a smarter one, frankly, would have been able to bring some sort of cultural criticism to bear here because

Speaker 19 you have a Gwyneth who can be completely likable and funny in something like that and like winking and nodding and we're all in on the joke.

Speaker 19 And then you get the totally insufferable Gwyneth who last week was doing an Ask Me Anything for her podcast. And

Speaker 19 she's asked,

Speaker 19 what do you think your husband most loves about her? And this is what buckle in. Buckle in.
This is a little bit of a lengthy segment, but we got to run it at length for the full effect.

Speaker 19 This is what we get.

Speaker 16 Do you want to see if Brad said anything? Oh.

Speaker 25 I honestly don't have a favorite, he said.

Speaker 26 I truly love it.

Speaker 19 This is her husband's text.

Speaker 25 Your physical beauty, the way your body moves through space, the way you disappear a little when you're working, the way your hands add something to a pan,

Speaker 25 your love of dirty jokes and well-plastered walls, how much you know about art, that you feel so comfortable naked and hate fake people. When you're needy, when you're angry on the road.

Speaker 25 I love when you chug water by the bedside at night. I like the things you choose to worry about and how you handle problems.

Speaker 25 I love your morning routine and when you act like I've been demanding you to get out of the bath when I haven't said a word about it.

Speaker 25 I love the skin on the back of your knees and the arch of your feet and when you smile at me in bed after you've put in your retainers, I love how hard you try and how often you succeed.

Speaker 25 Oh my god, I can keep going if you like.

Speaker 19 I think that segment was like 28 seconds. That's a long segment, maybe longer, maybe closer to a minute.
First of all, this guy clearly knows how to keep the peace at home. Okay.

Speaker 19 What do you like about me?

Speaker 19 He submits a laundry list that includes things like well-plastered walls and like moving her body moving through space you forgot time on that continuum Brad it's Brad Falchuk her husband I mean a person with a little more self-awareness and a little less narcissism would have stopped less than halfway through that text and said this is a lot and I'm not going to subject you guys to it okay

Speaker 19 none of us want to be subjected to that

Speaker 19 That is a provocative personality though. Okay, you got to give her that.
And in this book, what we get is the equivalent, it's the equivalent of a book report.

Speaker 19 Gwyneth said this, then she did that, then somebody else said this and did that. I don't want a summary.
I want something I can sink my teeth into. So save your money.

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