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Speaker 15 Welcome to the Megan Kelly Show, live on SiriusXM Channel 111 every weekday at Noon East.

Speaker 15 Hey everyone, I'm Megan Kelly. Welcome to The Megan Kelly Show.
We've got a big Kelly's Cork coming up where I'll be breaking some news about Blake Lively and yours truly.

Speaker 15 But first, the left's stunning reaction to yesterday's horrifying shooting at a Minneapolis Catholic school's first mass of the year.

Speaker 15 The 23-year-old shooter, a man pretending to be a woman who identified as transgender, shot and killed an eight-year-old and a 10-year-old.

Speaker 15 14 other kids were wounded, as were three adults who are in their 80s. All of the wounded, miraculously, I mean, truly, miraculously, are expected to survive.
I mean, thank God.

Speaker 15 Thank God. I mean, I know I'm feeling, as you are, just incredibly so sad for the parents of that little eight-year-old and that little 10-year-old

Speaker 15 and

Speaker 15 would do anything to help them. But I'm also so

Speaker 15 relieved that the wounds all the other children and the elderly people suffered have turned out not to be fatal. I don't know.

Speaker 15 You just, you look for the silver linings you can find in these situations.

Speaker 15 FBI Director Cash Patel says the Bureau is investigating this shooting as an act of domestic terrorism and as a hate crime targeting Catholics.

Speaker 15 And in the aftermath, Minneapolis Democrat mayor made sure his focus was on protecting not children, not Catholics, but the trans community.

Speaker 15 Here he is talking to a nodding Aaron Burnett on CNN last night. Watch.

Speaker 17 Obviously, I've heard about the rhetoric and the narrative that is being being pushed out, but here's the thing.

Speaker 17 Anybody that is going to use this as an opportunity to villainize our trans community or any community has lost touch with a common humanity.

Speaker 13 We got to be operating not out of hate for any group,

Speaker 18 but out of a love for our children.

Speaker 17 That's where the focus needs to be right now.

Speaker 21 A love for our kids.

Speaker 20 Seeing these kids, not just as somebody else's kids, this horrific thing happened, but what if it was our own? How would we feel then?

Speaker 23 So look, we need to be standing up for every community out there, a Catholic community too,

Speaker 21 by the way.

Speaker 15 He doesn't know anything. He doesn't know anything.

Speaker 15 Hate can't be operating out of hate for the trans community. It's not about hating the trans community.
It's about being honest about what was wrong with this obviously extremely ill, mentally ill man

Speaker 15 who picked up his guns, three of them to be exact, and shot a bunch of kids. It's not about hate.
How dare you try to turn this into a pro-LGBTQ moment?

Speaker 15 We have to get really honest about what was wrong with this shooter.

Speaker 15 And P.S., it's the same thing that's been wrong with shooters in a multitude of mass shootings now, which your side, Mayor, refuses to acknowledge. What is this guy? Like 29, 32 at most?

Speaker 15 Where were you during Sandy Hook? Because I don't remember you out there, Mr. Mayor.
Some of us were with parents, were at these scenes moments after the gunfire went off.

Speaker 15 You've got, yes, one terrible tragedy in your community.

Speaker 15 It's about a lot more than your alleged hate for certain communities. It's not about that at all.
It's about calling a spade a spade. It's infuriating watching that guy.

Speaker 15 I mean, also like, oh, and the Catholic community, by the way. Oh, like, that's an afterthought.
Like, yeah, Catholics. Yeah, we're realized.

Speaker 15 We know that. Catholics were targeted.
Thanks for the nod of the head. We really appreciate you deigning to acknowledge that Catholics have been targeted here.

Speaker 15 I mean, literally putting the group that was the targeted chosen victims of the shooting as like an afterthought. What this is really about is how mean we are to trans people.

Speaker 15 When we were planning today's show, I knew there was nobody better to to start it with than Matt Walsh. He's host of the Matt Walsh show on the Daily Wire.
He's here with us today.

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Speaker 15 Matt, thanks so much for being here. It's infuriating listening to that guy.
Absolutely maddening.

Speaker 25 Yeah, I mean, it is, and you expect nothing less from this guy.

Speaker 28 Remember, this is the mayor, Jacob Fry, who wept at the golden casket of George Floyd back in 2020.

Speaker 18 So this guy is just a completely pathetic

Speaker 30 piece of garbage.

Speaker 31 But you're exactly right that

Speaker 29 it's way past time that we start being honest about

Speaker 27 all this, and that includes the fact that trans violence is not, this is not an aberration.

Speaker 31 Now, of course, the media plays this game all the time where they want us to deny the reality that's in front of our face.

Speaker 18 And when it comes to transgenderism in particular, that's, of course, been the game for a long time.

Speaker 27 But

Speaker 38 it certainly seems as though, very often these days, when there's a mass shooting and then we find out a little bit more about the killer, we find out that, oh, they've got the she-her pronouns, they, them, non-binary, trans.

Speaker 37 It certainly seems like that is a big part of the story very often.

Speaker 26 And it is, and that's what the stats bear out.

Speaker 43 And also keep something else in mind that

Speaker 25 there's no official database of trans violence that any government entity keeps.

Speaker 30 Probably there should be now. Probably we need that database.

Speaker 26 But there isn't one, which only means that

Speaker 39 we only find out about the trans connection to violence when it's one of these big, huge mass shootings that the media has to talk about because they have no choice because of the bloodshed.

Speaker 25 But there are many other cases of violence, assaults, these sorts of things, where maybe nobody is killed.

Speaker 26 It's not really reported, certainly not on the national scale. And

Speaker 29 so how often is there a trans connection there? We don't know exactly.

Speaker 32 But my only point is that I think the problem is even worse than any of us realize.

Speaker 15 Makes perfect sense because you look at what's happening today in the media and the New York Times does a whole article about the shooter.

Speaker 15 And the only mention of the gender identity is in the context of pointing out conservatives are attacking it, not even considered.

Speaker 15 as something we should be looking at and trying to figure out what was wrong with this shooter's head.

Speaker 15 CNN, an article entitled How the Absolutely Incomprehensible Shooting Unfolded by Chelsea Bailey, makes no mention of the shooter's gender identity.

Speaker 15 USA Today doesn't mention the shooter's gender identity at all. Hat tip to Tom Bevan of Real Clear Politics for pointing these out on X Today.

Speaker 15 They're completely whitewashing it like it's a non-factor, Matt.

Speaker 49 Yeah, and

Speaker 43 they don't want to have the conversation.

Speaker 38 And by the way, the fact that the person is trans,

Speaker 23 this is obviously a very irrelevant fact.

Speaker 18 This is not just some conservative gotcha moment.

Speaker 38 This is very irrelevant.

Speaker 13 Why is it relevant?

Speaker 32 Well, number one, if somebody identifies as trans, that means that they are delusional.

Speaker 32 This is a delusional person who is confused about a basic fact of reality, like one of the most basic facts, which is their own, which is biological reality, their own sex.

Speaker 26 So this is someone who has a delusional mindset.

Speaker 50 We We already know that.

Speaker 38 And also,

Speaker 32 what are trans people being told?

Speaker 26 What has the media been telling them for years now? They've been telling them that if somebody does not affirm your fake identity, then that person is a threat.

Speaker 40 They're an actual threat to you.

Speaker 31 Trans, you hear the phrase trans genocide has been used many times.

Speaker 35 And of course, it's completely absurd.

Speaker 26 There's no genocide happening of trans people. No one's rounding up trans people and killing them.

Speaker 32 It's completely ridiculous.

Speaker 40 But what they mean by transgenocide is, well, people like you, Megan or me, who when we go on the air and we say that biological reality exists and we're not going to affirm your delusions, we are somehow participating in a genocide, which makes no sense.

Speaker 53 But if you have someone who's already mentally ill, they're already suffering from delusions, and then

Speaker 14 you take that person, you tell them, hey, those people over there, conservatives, Catholics,

Speaker 47 They're committing a genocide against you.

Speaker 52 When they refuse to affirm you, they're they're actually physically harming you.

Speaker 35 Well, now you're giving that person all the excuse they need, all the pretense they need to commit an act of violence.

Speaker 47 So

Speaker 35 you've got Peggy Flanagan, the lieutenant governor, wore a shirt that said, protect trans kids with like a knife on it.

Speaker 40 I mean,

Speaker 35 this is not subtle.

Speaker 26 You are actively encouraging them to commit acts of violence, and then that's exactly what they go do.

Speaker 15 And then on top of that, there's the problem of the way the psychiatric system deals with anyone, child or adult, who says they're trans.

Speaker 15 And this person started saying it when they were still a minor and apparently got a name change from a male name to a female name when they were a minor. They applied at age 17.

Speaker 15 And you and I both know, including Miriam Grossman, who was in your wonderful movie, What is a Woman?

Speaker 15 She's one of the few honest brokers in the field of dealing with this, like the trans, the gender dysphoria and trans confusion amongst youth.

Speaker 15 And she pointed out in your movie and on our show and elsewhere, and I think she's written a book now too.

Speaker 15 The only standard when someone like this shooter goes in to see a child psychiatrist or any sort of mental health professional is to affirm you're not allowed to explore possible psychotic breaks that the person may be experiencing, maybe just upset due to a shitty childhood or parents' divorce, or who knows?

Speaker 15 It could be a girl's anorexic, she's whatever, she's getting bullied, has nothing to do with gender. The modern psychiatric standards is you just lean into the gender ideology.

Speaker 15 And as a result, all those underlying and other things really go untreated.

Speaker 26 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 32 And that's why every, I mean, we can,

Speaker 18 I think we can safely assume that this person, this scumbag,

Speaker 31 had plenty of experience with the psychiatric community, psychiatrists, therapists, all the rest of it.

Speaker 29 I mean, I don't have any information about that.

Speaker 36 I think we can probably assume it.

Speaker 26 And all of those people, we should have the names of all those people because they all

Speaker 18 hold a fair amount of responsibility for what happens.

Speaker 13 Yes.

Speaker 28 Because, of course, you're exactly right. That

Speaker 26 when you have someone come in, especially a minor, and they're claiming that

Speaker 26 it's a boy that claims he's a girl, well, I said before, these people are delusional.

Speaker 36 They suffer from delusions.

Speaker 42 And that's, of course, true

Speaker 30 in many cases.

Speaker 45 But

Speaker 38 what you can also have is someone who kind of like knows that it's not, they're not actually confused.

Speaker 50 They actually know that they're not.

Speaker 26 They don't actually, they don't actually think they're a woman, but they're making this claim for some other reason.

Speaker 32 You know, and whether it's a fetish or in the case of a kid, it could be that kid was abused,

Speaker 40 something else is happening, and this is their way of like coping with it.

Speaker 26 But because you have to just affirm, you can't get to the bottom of that and actually start talking about what is really going on.

Speaker 49 And then you take this very disturbed person and you're basically just you're abandoning them.

Speaker 14 They've got their they have their very unhealthy coping mechanism,

Speaker 45 which is to

Speaker 35 reject their own identity and pretend to be somebody else.

Speaker 33 And rather than saying, okay, well, this clearly there's something very wrong here.

Speaker 26 We've got to get to the bottom of it so we can help this person.

Speaker 26 Instead, you just abandon them to that coping mechanism and kind of just wait until the inevitable, awful thing happens.

Speaker 15 Yeah, because it's considered conversion therapy within the psychiatric community to try to talk to that person about whether they're actually having gender dysphoria or whether this is just like something they're throwing out there as a more fashionable excuse for certain feelings they're having of depression or what have you.

Speaker 15 And so you're not allowed to really get into that stuff. You just have to affirm and go along with it.

Speaker 15 And then in most cases, they add to the mix by putting the person on a dangerous cocktail of puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones and even chopping off healthy body parts, which can really cause deep problems.

Speaker 15 We don't know whether that happened in this case. We're just talking about the system and how messed up it is.
You mentioned Peggy Flanagan. She's the lieutenant governor of Minnesota.

Speaker 15 Her messaging has been so deeply flawed on this and wrong. Same as her boss, Tim Walz.
But here she is in March of 2023 in SOP 14.

Speaker 55 Because let's be clear,

Speaker 55 this is life-affirming and life-saving health care.

Speaker 55 When our children tell us who they are,

Speaker 55 it is our job as grown-ups to listen and to believe them.

Speaker 56 That's what it means to be a good parent.

Speaker 15 Oh my God. I know you covered that on your show at the time.
We did too. It was such an insane way of phrasing how you react when your child has this issue.

Speaker 25 Yeah, I can't think of a

Speaker 49 I can't. It's hard for me to imagine worse parenting advice than that.

Speaker 28 Our job as a parent is to believe whatever your kid says. What?

Speaker 40 If anything, it's exactly the opposite.

Speaker 18 If anything, it's your job as a parent most of the time is to not accept whatever crazy nonsense comes out of your kid's mouth.

Speaker 47 So that's

Speaker 32 totally insane.

Speaker 29 And what really infuriates me about it, when I hear people like Peggy Flanagan or any of these people on the left, is that

Speaker 51 I know

Speaker 41 that they don't really believe it.

Speaker 41 They don't really believe any of this.

Speaker 18 You would have to actually be mentally ill yourself, which of course plenty of them, maybe Peggy Flanagan is.

Speaker 22 But

Speaker 41 everyone at bottom knows that a man is a man and a woman is a woman.

Speaker 44 Everybody knows that children are children and there's a lot of things they don't understand about the world.

Speaker 45 Everyone knows that you can't just give a kid a cocktail of drugs and magically turn him from a girl into a boy.

Speaker 52 They all actually know that and yet...

Speaker 29 And they know the harm that it causes, but they do this anyway.

Speaker 28 They do it for political gain.

Speaker 28 They do it for control.

Speaker 29 They do it, you know, if the pharmaceutical industry and the medical industry, they do it for money.

Speaker 29 They do it for all these reasons, knowing, knowing, knowing the harm that it causes. And that to me just makes it all the more despicable and evil.

Speaker 15 You mentioned that some of them genuinely might be nuts.

Speaker 15 That leads me to Nebraska Democratic state senator Michaela Kavanaugh, who when Nebraska passed a law saying, we're not going to offer these procedures for minors.

Speaker 15 Like, if you want to do this stuff to yourself as an adult, that's one thing. Minors should not be cut up by

Speaker 15 money-motivated surgeons who want to make money off of their delusions. And this was her response in 2023: it's SOT 15.

Speaker 15 Trans people, trans people belong here, we need trans people, we love trans people, trans people belong here, we need trans people, we love trans people, trans people belong here, we need trans people, we love trans people, trans people belong here, we need trans people,

Speaker 15 we can be here all day.

Speaker 15 She goes on.

Speaker 15 You get it. But some of them truly do seem like actual nuts.

Speaker 13 Yeah, I think, well, certainly.

Speaker 25 There's plenty of Democrats who are insane, but I almost think we give them too much credit or we let them off the hook a little bit by writing them all off as insane.

Speaker 35 Because if you're insane, then it's not your fault, right?

Speaker 29 I mean, that's what being insane is.

Speaker 36 And I think even in the case of that, I mean, you'd be excused for seeing that performance and thinking this person's totally nuts.

Speaker 44 And yet,

Speaker 47 I think that that's,

Speaker 31 there's a strategy, though.

Speaker 26 There's actually,

Speaker 29 when they do the thing where they just yell the phrase over and over again, this is very common on the left.

Speaker 26 It's one of their favorite tactics.

Speaker 38 And there's a strategy. The strategy is like, we're just going to filibuster by screaming because there's no actual argument.

Speaker 25 They can't make an argument in favor of this.

Speaker 38 They can't present.

Speaker 39 I mean, I've been talking about this, of course, for a very long time, and I've yet to hear anyone on the left actually present anything resembling a coherent argument in favor of chemically castrating kids.

Speaker 37 It doesn't exist, they know it, so instead they start screaming about it.

Speaker 53 And also, by the way,

Speaker 45 not to sidetrack this, but you mentioned

Speaker 32 this is in response to a law that would ban this stuff for kids.

Speaker 26 And, you know, for, and even a lot of conservatives will say, well, when you're an adult, you can do what you want.

Speaker 44 I think that part of the conversation now, especially in light of what happened yesterday and in general, I think

Speaker 48 as conservatives, we need to move to the next step, which is that

Speaker 52 this is not just about protecting, protecting kids is the number one priority.

Speaker 18 And fortunately,

Speaker 18 we've made huge strides in protecting kids against gender ideology.

Speaker 45 There's still more to be done,

Speaker 44 but we are winning on that.

Speaker 50 We are winning on it.

Speaker 26 But for me, anyway, that was never going to be the end of it because the next step is to destroy the gender transition industry, period.

Speaker 46 Because it may be true that adults in their own private life can do what they want in the privacy of their own homes.

Speaker 50 Like if you're in your own home and

Speaker 39 if you're a man who identifies as a woman and in your own home, you put on a dress or something, that's weird.

Speaker 26 You shouldn't do it, but no one else can see it. And so there's nothing we can do about it.

Speaker 52 But when we talk about gender transitions, even for adults, That's not something that they're doing to themselves. That's something that a doctor is doing to them.

Speaker 46 And my point is is that doctors should not be allowed to do that to anyone of any age.

Speaker 40 If someone comes to you and is a male and says, I feel like I'm a female,

Speaker 26 you should not be allowed to take advantage of that confusion and that delusion by giving them castration drugs and permanently physically harming their bodies, no matter what their age is.

Speaker 39 What they need is psychiatric help.

Speaker 52 And as a doctor, as a medical provider, you should be legally required to give them the psychiatric help that they need.

Speaker 32 And so that's what I, that's, that's, I think, where the conversation should go from here.

Speaker 15 I agree with you. And I also think it's, we've been derelict and not having the conversation about just how blatantly offensive it is.

Speaker 15 You know, I mean, I go back to the Irish girl, Brand Dove, she goes by, and she did that amazing poem about how I am not a dress. You know, I'm not a costume to be worn.

Speaker 15 It's not that far afield from the blackface discussion. You just can't do it because it's offensive.
It's deeply offensive to the target target group who you're pretending to be.

Speaker 15 And that as a woman, that's how I feel. Like, you don't get the first thing about being a woman just because you put on lipstick and a dress.
And I'm not a costume. I'm not a dress.
You're offensive.

Speaker 15 Looking at you parading around and insisting I call you Ms. is offensive to me.
I don't want to have to participate in it. Most of these guys are having a sexual fetish fulfilled anyway.

Speaker 15 I don't want my kid to participate in your sexual fetish, nor do I want to do it. There's all sorts of reasons to take issue with it at the adult level, too.

Speaker 15 I want to keep going because we have so many things to get through. Back to the question of the fakers, the ones who aren't nuts, but are doing it to virtue signal or,

Speaker 15 as you point out, some of these people are on the payroll, who have gotten donations in the form of ads or in the form of direct payments to their hospitals. Here's NPR's Alisa Chang.

Speaker 15 Doing an interview with Senator Klobuchar, who's a Minnesota senator, on this issue yesterday.

Speaker 15 Two children have just been shot dead. You've got another 18 who have been wounded who are in the hospitals.
And listen to what's upsetting Ms. Chang in this discussion.
Safor.

Speaker 59 There is, of course, the hate you're going to find that this perpetrator, that this

Speaker 59 horrific offender, that he, there was, it was all-purpose hate, right? He hated a lot of different groups. It wasn't one ideology or another.

Speaker 56 We're going to have to leave it there. That is Senator Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota.
Thank you very much for for taking the time.

Speaker 15 Thank you for thinking of us.

Speaker 59 Thank you.

Speaker 56 And just a point of clarification. Senator Klobuchar referenced the shooter as he.

Speaker 56 Although police have identified a suspect, it's still unclear at this time what that person's gender is or how they identify.

Speaker 15 Oh my God, Matt.

Speaker 47 Yeah, I actually had not that I hadn't seen that clip, and

Speaker 46 I don't know how I can continue to be surprised by these people, but somehow

Speaker 34 just the total shamelessness of that and worrying about respecting the so-called gender identity of a guy who just killed children.

Speaker 29 I mean, he went to a,

Speaker 43 we all understand this, he went to a church and shot children.

Speaker 45 So you're dealing with

Speaker 26 that's the most evil you can possibly be.

Speaker 32 That is the absolute depths of

Speaker 13 evil.

Speaker 32 And the idea that we should be at all concerned.

Speaker 42 concerned.

Speaker 50 Because why are we concerned?

Speaker 26 Are we concerned about hurting his feelings?

Speaker 52 That guy's burning in hell right now.

Speaker 18 He's got bigger problems, I can tell you that,

Speaker 27 than whether or not his gender identity is being respected.

Speaker 32 So that is just shameless and

Speaker 25 nonsense.

Speaker 15 And was looking forward to it. I mean, his manifesto online has entries that read as follows.

Speaker 15 I love when kids get shot. I love to see kids get torn apart.
I've had thoughts about mass murder for a long time. Then he says, I'm very conflicted with writing this journal.

Speaker 15 I need to get my thoughts out without getting on a watch list.

Speaker 60 Ha ha ha.

Speaker 15 And I mean, there's a real question about your point. Like, yeah,

Speaker 15 who should have been watching you and reporting you to authorities? The mother willingly participated in the name change and was all smiles and pictures of this guy trying to look like a woman.

Speaker 15 There had to be some sort of mental health professional involved, I'm sure. And then we find out that he actually had regrets about it.

Speaker 15 The New York Post reporting this morning that he confessed he was, quote, tired of being trans and wished, quote, he never brainwashed himself in this manifesto that was posted online, wrote, quote, I only keep the long hair because it's pretty much my last shred of being trans.

Speaker 15 I'm tired of being trans. I wish I never brainwashed myself.
I can't cut my hair now as it would be an embarrassing defeat and it might be a concerning change of character that could get me reported.

Speaker 15 I will probably chop it on the day of the attack. So, what does that tell us?

Speaker 32 Well, I mean,

Speaker 45 again, it tells us, among other things, just the total dereliction of duty

Speaker 22 on the part of

Speaker 52 whatever group of so-called mental health professionals

Speaker 22 he

Speaker 18 had been consulting.

Speaker 26 and we can assume that there were plenty.

Speaker 43 I mean, this is someone who,

Speaker 48 and we find this very often also.

Speaker 26 This is another common thread with these mass shootings.

Speaker 32 What you find is that whether this is a trans person or not,

Speaker 25 very, very often they're on psychiatric medication. We don't know if this guy was on psychiatric medication.

Speaker 26 I think it sounds like pretty good possibility he was, but very often that's the case.

Speaker 52 And also, very often, these are people who are very much, you know, they have therapists, they have psychiatrists, they're in that whole world.

Speaker 26 And yet, when we, and now of course it's with hindsight, because we're only aware of these people in the public after they commit the heinous act, but still,

Speaker 52 it's like, if I had seen that guy a week ago and had a five-minute conversation with him, I could have immediately known, like, this is a dangerous person.

Speaker 18 This is a disturbed, potentially dangerous person.

Speaker 50 It just, it leaps off the screen at you.

Speaker 48 Even if you didn't have the the benefit of hindsight, I think any of us could.

Speaker 38 And so the question is always, well,

Speaker 33 where were the, whatever therapists, whatever counselor,

Speaker 52 what were you doing exactly?

Speaker 47 What was happening in these sessions?

Speaker 45 And I think we need more clarity on that.

Speaker 18 And I know that there's all kinds of laws because you have privacy and all that stuff is important.

Speaker 52 But I think we need some changes of policies because when this sort of thing happens, we need to know what psychiatric drugs, if any, was the person on, and

Speaker 25 which medical professionals was this person consulting?

Speaker 37 We need to know these things.

Speaker 26 And I think that needs to change.

Speaker 15 One of the other things the manifesto makes clear is that he was smoking a lot of pot, vaping all the time.

Speaker 15 And like Alex Berenson, who's done a lot of writing on the dangers of today's marijuana and vaping,

Speaker 15 he's raising that as a common thread that we've seen with a lot of these school shooters. So you've got this, basically this madman who's lost it, who's had some sort of a break.

Speaker 15 It's manifesting in a number of ways, including this trans ideology, who's smoking a bunch of dope and vaping all the time. Some of the manifesto shows like wafts of smoke coming up.

Speaker 15 He's obviously smoking. And all the left wants to talk about, Matt, is guns.
That's it. The guns are the problem.
And also, by the way, they're sick and tired of our thoughts and prayers.

Speaker 15 I'll give you Gensaki in SAT 9.

Speaker 61 All they should be hoping to do is have someone to sit with at lunch or someone to play with on the playground. And

Speaker 61 they should be waiting to hear an update when they get home. And that is not what these parents at the school experience today.
Because we have been here so many times, so many times.

Speaker 61 And yet, again, like clockwork, half of the politicians in our country have little more to offer than thoughts and prayers.

Speaker 62 That is all they are offering. You're going to start seeing narratives.
You're already seeing them. They're already out there about how the shooter was trans.

Speaker 62 You're going to see narratives about how the shooter appeared to be anti-Trump and anti-Semitic and clearly was in the midst of a mental health crisis.

Speaker 62 Weaponizing the shooter's identity is meant to distract from what matters. That is what they are doing, trying to distract from what matters.

Speaker 62 Here's what matters: today's shooter bought the rifle, handgun, and shotgun they used to do what they did today legally. It's the guns, everyone.
It's not really a secret.

Speaker 15 Thoughts on it, Matt?

Speaker 48 Yeah, well, I, first of all, you want to talk about guns.

Speaker 29 Okay, so this was a trans killer.

Speaker 31 So I don't know, Jen Socky, are you saying that, what, we should stop trans-identified people from owning guns?

Speaker 40 You want to have that conversation? Okay, let's have that conversation.

Speaker 47 I don't think she does.

Speaker 38 And I think this stuff about, you know, this stuff about thoughts and prayers, well, we've got to do more than just pray.

Speaker 50 Yeah, we all know that. Okay, that.

Speaker 18 First of all, that is obviously a direct attack on and an insult against the actual victims themselves.

Speaker 53 As many people have pointed out, of course, it's true.

Speaker 26 These people were in a church, they were praying, and now here you are being dismissive and contemptuous of prayer.

Speaker 28 So, obviously, you're directly insulting the people, the kids who were just killed, which makes you just an absolutely vile scumbag.

Speaker 35 But also, as every Christian knows, that, yes, we pray, we believe in the power of prayer, but no one thinks that, well, you should just pray and do nothing else.

Speaker 38 You pray and you you beseech God for his mercy and for

Speaker 23 his help,

Speaker 23 but then you have to also go out and do things.

Speaker 43 And when it comes to cutting down on these kinds of incidents, it just so happens that most conservatives,

Speaker 22 there are a lot of

Speaker 40 actual things that we want to do, that we are proposing.

Speaker 52 Yes, we should pray, but also

Speaker 38 we should stop transing the kids.

Speaker 38 Also, we should shut down the gender affirmation industry entirely.

Speaker 26 Also, we should start holding the big pharmaceutical companies accountable for all these psychiatric drugs that

Speaker 27 they're

Speaker 50 putting all these people on.

Speaker 44 We should do that.

Speaker 40 Also, we should have

Speaker 35 every school in the country should have armed security.

Speaker 45 I mean,

Speaker 40 unfortunately, we're at a spot now where every church also probably needs armed security.

Speaker 28 So, there's like, I don't know, there's four or five things I just listed, actual active things that we can do.

Speaker 46 And that many conservatives have proposed the exact same thing.

Speaker 28 So this idea that we don't want to do anything but pray is just a ridiculous and insulting straw man.

Speaker 15 She won't talk about it. She won't talk about any of those ideas.

Speaker 15 She just wants to act exasperated in front of her audience, that it's all about the guns, that a madman like this wouldn't have found an alternative way of hurting these children, and that in Gen Saki's world, you know, you just take away the guns and then they'll never hurt somebody again.

Speaker 15 The gun solution is totally impractical. It's never happening.

Speaker 15 Even if the the United States, if the people wanted it and voted for it, there's no way of getting 400 million guns out of the United States of America. It's not a possible thing to do.

Speaker 15 And even if you did it, you'd still have mass death because

Speaker 15 madmen do what madmen do. The solution is to look at the madmen and figure out how to keep them away from the rest of us.

Speaker 15 If you can stop the deterioration, which is what you're talking about with the crackdown on the trans enablers, Great.

Speaker 15 But if you can't, I'm all for institutionalizing these people when it's clear that they're a danger to society.

Speaker 15 And at a minimum, we should be fortifying all the soft targets that we know, we know they want to hit.

Speaker 15 We've now had way too much evidence that schools are vulnerable and that places of worship are vulnerable.

Speaker 15 So still you have, I mean, even look, you had Andy McCabe, right, formerly of the FBI on CNN this morning. And

Speaker 15 he's drawing the line, Matt, between the shooting in Nashville, Tennessee by a girl who said she was trans

Speaker 15 and targeted this Christian school, to this shooting that we had yesterday. And he talks about all the similarities.
Okay, this is a former law enforcement official.

Speaker 15 And see if you can guess, see if you can glean what's not included on his list as he's trying to find

Speaker 15 the seam in the story that can help law enforcement figure out who to be wary of going forward. Here it is in SOT 7.

Speaker 63 I haven't seen the manifesto, so I I can't say whether there are specific references to the 2023 Covenant School shooter in Nashville. But if you look at

Speaker 63 that situation and this one, there are remarkable similarities. So both were in their 20s, both targeted religious schools that they formerly attended.

Speaker 63 Both brought three weapons to the crime. Both purchased those weapons legally.
Both drove to the attack site and left a vehicle there.

Speaker 63 Both posted manifestos in which they raged and expressed grievance towards numerous ethnic groups and religions, you know, a real broad stroke of kind of anger there.

Speaker 63 Both sought to kill children, young children specifically. And I think the most important here is both were students of other mass shooters.

Speaker 15 He doesn't even.

Speaker 15 mention it, the trans thing. Let me just give you one more quickly.

Speaker 15 Former FBI agent, again, law enforcement official, Catherine Schweit, goes on MSNBC, talks about how the shooter became radicalized, appears to catch herself making a reference to the gender thing, and then tries to completely whitewash her own reference here in SOT 11.

Speaker 64 Likely stopped communicating with other people. They began to withdraw and change their appearance.
And

Speaker 64 I don't mean change their appearance like you might hear. I understand at least early reporting is that we have someone

Speaker 64 who is is female

Speaker 15 and but present but came presents as female but was male so I'm not talking about that kind of change appearance I mean the clothing the dark the jackets and things like that people begin to say hey what is going on with this person around me we're not doing a good job of looking for that type of thing what a liar what a liar she's she did mean the trans thing she just caught herself oh we have to look for people changing from tan jackets into black jackets that was a bunch of bullshit what horseshit matt she She caught herself because she had a moment of saying what was real and then realized she couldn't say that on MSNBC.

Speaker 15 And Andy McCabe doesn't even mention it as a possible factor to be considered, but the left wants to condemn the right for thoughts and prayers and wanting to do nothing.

Speaker 44 Yeah,

Speaker 28 it's completely ridiculous.

Speaker 23 The good news, though, is that Well, those two clips you played, right, they're all over X right now.

Speaker 26 They're all over social media.

Speaker 26 And Andrew McCain might not want to acknowledge it, but a lot of people, you know, millions of people on social media are happy to say, oh, you don't want to acknowledge it, but I'll let you know the one thing you forgot.

Speaker 30 So the good news is that this is the game these people want to play

Speaker 26 by ignoring the obvious reality.

Speaker 22 But

Speaker 34 it's not working.

Speaker 18 I mean, maybe it worked like five years ago, but it's just not working anymore at all.

Speaker 26 And

Speaker 44 the trans agenda in general is losing in pretty much every facet of life.

Speaker 30 I mean, it's losing politically, it's losing culturally, it's losing in the state houses, it's losing in the courts, it's losing, it lost in the Supreme Court, it's losing everywhere.

Speaker 36 So, the team sanity, as I've, as I've come to call it, is winning on this issue.

Speaker 28 And so,

Speaker 36 when you watch even a couple of those clips, it almost feels like a relic, an ancient relic of the ancient times of 2021

Speaker 52 when people were still kind of gingerly stepping around this issue but we're not we're not doing that anymore at least not in out in the broader culture regular people aren't doing that but so that's the good news but what I would warn everybody and you know not not to

Speaker 46 not to

Speaker 42 you know not to be alarmist but it's just true that well the trans radicals are losing But because they're losing, I think that they've never been more dangerous than they are right now.

Speaker 29 I mean, these people are, they know they're losing. They have nothing left to lose, and they know that their agenda is going down in flames.

Speaker 43 And so now I think we're getting to a point where they're going to try to take down as many normal, sane people as they can

Speaker 25 along with them.

Speaker 29 I mean, they're desperate.

Speaker 31 You know, when you, when you get back someone into a corner and they're losing and it's out and it's gone, it's like they can either just give up and wave the white flag and say, okay, you got us, it's over, we're going to stop.

Speaker 29 Or that is the moment when they become the most dangerous and the most desperate.

Speaker 50 And I think that's the moment that we're in right now, which is only just all the more reason to be viligent, to be vigilant, rather, be on your guard.

Speaker 48 I hate to say it, but

Speaker 30 I hate that this is the case, but it is the case that even going to church,

Speaker 29 you should be carrying when you go to church

Speaker 43 if your church doesn't have armed security.

Speaker 48 I mean, that's the place we're in right now in the country.

Speaker 15 You're 100% right. And

Speaker 15 that is a silver lining, like when I think about, okay, you know, at least

Speaker 15 the jig is up. I mean, unfortunately, we still have Bostock out there.
And, you know, this is a Supreme Court decision, thanks to Neil Gorsuch, who sided with the Libs, to give us a mandated

Speaker 15 right amongst trans people to be hired at your organization. And so now you're looking at this.

Speaker 15 You're looking at the series of mass shootings perpetrated by these people suffering from trans ideology.

Speaker 15 And then one comes to your place of business, and unless you have another very good reason not to hire them,

Speaker 15 they could sue you for not hiring them because of their trans status. That has to be undone.
The Supreme Court must take a fresh look at that decision, and it has to be reversed.

Speaker 15 I mean, it's a massive problem, Matt, and it's still sitting on the books is good law.

Speaker 40 Yeah,

Speaker 40 which is why I say they're losing

Speaker 36 in every area of American life, and they are, but it's not over, and there are still some major problems.

Speaker 49 Even the issue of

Speaker 43 protecting kids from chemical castration and mutilation,

Speaker 43 I think it's been one L after another for the trans side, but that's not, I mean, there are still plenty of states in this country where that's happening to kids.

Speaker 44 So

Speaker 30 the fight continues. But still, I think the good news is that, and this even goes beyond politics, it goes beyond the courts.

Speaker 34 I think that just in the culture, generally, People are just done with this.

Speaker 29 I think five years ago, a lot of normal, nice, polite people people kind of went along with it because they didn't want to be mean. They didn't want to be rude.

Speaker 31 And I think that was certainly a massive mistake, but

Speaker 39 it was rooted in the fact that they're normal, polite people.

Speaker 29 But I think that those people now are done with it and are not going to go along with it anymore.

Speaker 41 And so that's been the real shift that ultimately is the kind of the last nail in the coffin for the people.

Speaker 15 If you think about it, every day you see something on X or elsewhere like, did you vote for this on Donald Trump? He's an authoritarian. He's doing unlawful power grabs and so on and so forth.

Speaker 15 We were so close to having Kamala Harris and Tim Waltz in there, Matt, who would have exploded this gender ideology crap all over us.

Speaker 15 This was Tim Waltz at the Democrats DNC summer meeting that they're having in Minneapolis. This is him on Monday.

Speaker 15 On Monday, a couple days before this happened, this is the message he wanted to bring to top Democrats about his state, his policies, and what he thinks should happen in this country. SOP 12.

Speaker 65 Minnesota ranks the highest per capita for being a safe haven for transgender individuals in Minnesota.

Speaker 50 And

Speaker 16 can I just say

Speaker 65 we can talk about economic growth and feeding children and growing the economy and creating jobs simultaneously with talking about everybody's human rights matters and we shouldn't be demolishing them.

Speaker 13 You can do both.

Speaker 15 When he was running, Matt, I did a whole story on the trans refuge law in Minnesota and how he, if you won't

Speaker 15 affirm your child's gender confusion, they can go to Minnesota. Planned Parenthood will sponsor them.
You can get like a third party to sponsor you.

Speaker 15 And custody can be wrested from the non-affirming parents, both of them, and placed temporarily in the state of Minnesota where then they can trans your child.

Speaker 15 It's insane, but it's there thanks to Tim Walsh, who tied it, who signed it into law.

Speaker 15 We dodged such a bullet with this lunatic and his would-be boss, Kamala Harris, who would have signed on to all of that.

Speaker 15 So it's like, I really don't have a ton of time for the people who get upset about the fact that Trump wants to make cities have fewer murders when we're looking at that on the other side.

Speaker 40 Yeah, yeah, I mean, that's, and I totally agree with him about having a fewer murders in the cities, too.

Speaker 47 So, but, but also, we did dodge a major bullet, um, but that also speaks that that's that's you know, we got to keep in mind that Trump is in office till 2028, and we have another election.

Speaker 29 Democrats are not going to be, as much as I would love to think that Democrats will be held out of the White House from here until kingdom come. I don't think that's going to be the case.

Speaker 36 We're going to end up with another Democrat president

Speaker 29 sooner than later.

Speaker 47 It's going to happen, which just means that we need

Speaker 49 as many victories as we can get

Speaker 46 that

Speaker 26 are also not things that can be overturned by the next Democrat president in two seconds.

Speaker 13 That's all.

Speaker 26 A lot of the executive orders are great. I support

Speaker 49 a lot of these executive orders, but the next Democrat president could get in there and just write another executive order and get rid of the last one.

Speaker 26 So that means we need, Congress needs to step up, and we also need laws on some of this stuff.

Speaker 13 They're never going to do it.

Speaker 13 Why isn't a law you're going to do? They tried.

Speaker 15 You know, you saw they tried on the school's sports thing. They tried on the keeping boys out of a girls' sports and they failed.

Speaker 15 They couldn't get cloture on it in the Senate, so they couldn't get a vote. We need 60 Republican seats in the Senate and a Republican House and president, and then we can actually get that done.

Speaker 15 But until then,

Speaker 15 these Democrats, they couldn't even find an additional seven Democrats, just seven Democrat senators to say, I'll vote for cloture so we can have a vote on keeping boys out of sports, never mind this other stuff, which they would consider even harder to pass.

Speaker 15 You know, stopping the chemical castration should be easier, but they would consider it harder.

Speaker 22 Yeah, well,

Speaker 48 I think actually stopping chemical castration would ⁇ it should be easier.

Speaker 18 I think it probably would be because it puts ⁇ sports are one thing, but putting Democrats in a position where they actually have to stand up and defend the chemical castration of an 11-year-old, I mean, that's not an argument.

Speaker 32 None of them want to talk about that.

Speaker 18 None of them want to have that debate.

Speaker 26 They want to stay.

Speaker 40 There's a reason why when Kamala Harris was running for the presidency,

Speaker 35 she did not,

Speaker 18 three, four years ago, she was talking about trans stuff all the time, trans rights, waving the trans flag.

Speaker 18 But during her presidential run, she kind of stayed as far away from it as she could because this is not a conversation they want to have.

Speaker 51 And

Speaker 46 one way or another, that has to be,

Speaker 42 we need actual laws in place at the federal level

Speaker 27 as well.

Speaker 18 Or what I'm worried about is that although we're getting all these wins, maybe three, four years from now, we're going to look back and all that stuff or most of it has been erased in the blink of an eye.

Speaker 15 It's terrifying. I've got to show you this clip.
It's kind of where

Speaker 15 a fair amount of the press is going with it. It was from Joe Scarborough this morning, who is upset with the New York Post headline.
The headline reads, transgender maniac, Minneapolis school shooter.

Speaker 15 Okay, so they're calling the shooter a transgender maniac. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that.
It's

Speaker 15 factually correct. But here's Joe Scarborough's reaction to it.

Speaker 66 Rev on the front of the New York Post, they say demonic, and then it's transgender maniac shoots up Catholic school.

Speaker 66 You know, they could very easily say time and time again,

Speaker 66 straight white maniac shoots up Catholic school or shoots up country music concert or shoes up this or shoots up that.

Speaker 66 I mean, I suppose some people tried to distract from the ongoing mass slaughters that are going on of our children at schools and churches and across the country, of people that go to country music concerts, of people who are sitting in pews at churches, at Baptist churches.

Speaker 66 I mean, we could go on and on and on. So, again,

Speaker 66 I suppose they can focus on

Speaker 66 whether it was transgender or straight white male or whatever it was. Fact is,

Speaker 66 this is happening too much.

Speaker 15 Oh my God, Matt. He's acting like transgender is the same kind of label as white or black

Speaker 15 and doesn't come with a whole host of mental health implications, right?

Speaker 15 Like he's trying to sort of suggest the post is a bunch of bigots because that's, they never say straight white male goes in and shoots up a high school.

Speaker 15 by the way yes they do but anyway it's it completely ignores that it this is mental illness we're talking about which the left has made an impossibility to discuss as you know you could get penalized on youtube for even saying that

Speaker 18 yeah well it's like if uh if this was if this person was a diagnosed schizophrenic

Speaker 40 uh would it be would it would it be irrelevant would it be strange to say a schizophrenic killer well no of course not because that's that's a that's a driving driving factor, but it's one of the reasons why this happened is because,

Speaker 22 to your point, because

Speaker 32 of

Speaker 25 this mental illness.

Speaker 39 And

Speaker 48 transgenderism is also a mental illness, and it was categorized that way by the psychiatric industry for many years up until relatively recently.

Speaker 53 So it is very relevant. And also, by the way,

Speaker 13 The media is really happy to tell us if a white person commits an act of violence, straight white male, they're very happy to include that label, even where

Speaker 3 it's actually not relevant.

Speaker 35 It actually doesn't have anything to do with it.

Speaker 15 But in this case, even where it's not where it's not a white person, remember CNN with that shooter.

Speaker 15 Even when it's not actually a white person, remember CNN with that shooter outside of the New York City corporate office building a few weeks ago saying possibly white, was very clearly a black man.

Speaker 15 But yeah, they love to sell you it's a white person, whether it is or it isn't. It's just this one thing they can't mention, even though it's clearly much more relevant than skin color is.

Speaker 35 Right.

Speaker 25 And white is not, white doesn't tell you, the thing about trans is it not only tells you that this person has a mental illness by definition, but it tells you it indicates a lot about ideology as well.

Speaker 29 I mean, the trans is also an ideology.

Speaker 34 It's also, of course, very left-wing.

Speaker 26 coded and so this is someone who's attacking a church and so there's a lot that you can you can glean from that.

Speaker 29 But white is not an ideology.

Speaker 43 It's also not a mental illness as much as the media would like to say that it is.

Speaker 32 And so that is a far less relevant detail that they still are very happy to tell us, even as you point out,

Speaker 26 even when it's not true.

Speaker 15 I just think it's so clear this guy had mental health problems.

Speaker 15 He was funneled into some system that probably just affirmed, affirmed, affirmed from his mother to potentially a mental health counselor. And by his own words, he didn't actually think he was trans.

Speaker 15 Later, he got to the the point of realizing, what am I doing here? And I guarantee you, no one had ever taken a serious look at why he was saying that.

Speaker 15 He was probably just affirmed, especially in the state of Minnesota. And it was one of, I'm sure, a multitude of factors that led to the mass murder we watched him commit yesterday.

Speaker 15 Matt Walsh, thank you. Thanks so much for being here.

Speaker 18 Thanks, Megan.

Speaker 15 One of the few people who has stood up. from the beginning on this courageously and made a real difference in some of those changes he was just outlining.
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Speaker 15 Welcome back to the Megan Kelly Show. An extraordinary update for you in the Blake Lively-Justin Baldoni legal battle.

Speaker 15 This is a case in which Blake Lively accuses her co-star from the movie It Ends With Us, Justin Baldoni, who is also the creator of this movie.

Speaker 15 He's the one who optioned the book and had the idea for it to begin with, of sexual harassment and disparagement.

Speaker 15 Baldoni cross-claimed, saying Lively is a nasty bully who is unfairly blaming and disparaging him for the negative press she generated with her disastrous promo tour around the release of their movie back in August 2024.

Speaker 15 News broke in July that Lively had begun sending subpoenas to podcasters and others who had said or written negative things about her.

Speaker 15 From Candace Owens and Perez Hilton to people you've likely never heard of like Zach Peters. She targeted more than a dozen journalists and online creators igniting a free speech firestorm.

Speaker 15 We can now reveal that we were among those targeted by Blake Lively. Yes, she actually tried to get the confidential and proprietary materials my team and I used for any and all stories about her.

Speaker 15 Hmm.

Speaker 15 Because Blake Lively was unable to fathom that yours truly had developed a genuine revulsion toward her on my own, she posited that I must have been ensnared in Baldoni's alleged ongoing smear campaign against her.

Speaker 15 That his attorney, who happens also to be my own from well before his representation of Baldoni, must be controlling our coverage.

Speaker 15 In addition, she suggested that I was getting paid by Baldoni or by his lawyer, Brian Friedman, for my anti-Blake coverage, demanding to see all documents reflecting this alleged agreement or payment structure.

Speaker 15 This is how narcissistic this woman is. She actually thinks I needed to get paid by Baldoni's team to say negative things about her.
News Flash Blake. I came to those conclusions totally organically.

Speaker 15 Don't give away your power, sweetheart. It was you.
It was all you who made me unable to stand you. No man had anything to do with it.
We fought her subpoena and won.

Speaker 15 She backed down and has now missed the deadline to pursue her harassment of me and my team any further. Sorry, sweetheart.
You might want to try harder the next time.

Speaker 15 But in any event, we gave her absolutely nothing. Not one document, not one record, not one communication.

Speaker 15 In no world would I ever, ever allow my teams or my communications with each other or with our sources for our news reporting to be turned over to a third party and certainly not to this nitwit.

Speaker 15 It's called the First Amendment, freedom of the press. She has zero right to nose around in how I gather news or in how my team and I prepare for any show we do.
Pro tip, we're extremely fair.

Speaker 15 We are extremely thorough, factual, and unsparing of any public figure and frankly of ourselves when it comes to our own high standards. But access to our actual communications, it's a no.

Speaker 15 You cannot have them. I am a member of of the press.
You are a sad, pathetic, untalented, narcissistic bully. And I will never back down to the likes of Black Blake Lively.
Never.

Speaker 15 And her fight to harass me and my team ended in her getting nothing, nothing.

Speaker 15 However, there are still many content creators whom we believe are actively being bullied by Blake Lively to this day.

Speaker 15 We were in the fortunate position of being able to hire a lawyer to tell Lively to pound sand. Most of the people she's harassing do not have those resources, and she knows it.

Speaker 15 She's targeting them because she knows she can.

Speaker 15 She's richer, better connected with high-powered lawyers who have nothing but time and billable hours on their hands thanks to Ryan Reynolds' booze and acting fortunes.

Speaker 15 These two Hollywood mega-millionaires think nothing of harassing powerless people on social media who have the temerity to write or speak negatively about Queen Blake.

Speaker 15 Remember that.

Speaker 15 The next time you see Ryan Reynolds trying to pawn himself off as the super nice guy, aw, shucks, as he tries to blow apart the lives of these content creators who happen to think she's a liar.

Speaker 15 He's a bully too.

Speaker 15 So while we at the Megan Kelly Show are not worried at all about Blake Lively's attempt to harass us, we are concerned about this ugly bully's efforts to embarrass other online creators with fewer resources.

Speaker 15 And we sincerely hope the judge in this case will send a message to Lively and her legal team that they have overreached.

Speaker 15 It's ironic, of course, that in an effort to disprove that she's an unlikable bully brat who did not deserve any of the negative press she received, Blake Lively acts like an unlikable bully brat.

Speaker 15 who cannot believe any of that negative press could possibly be genuine. So I will just say this.
I came to to this case entirely open-minded.

Speaker 15 Go back and look at the first interview I ever did on this case of Brian Friedman, who is Baldoni's lawyer. It was probing.
I raised many of her defenses. We talked about the Me Too stuff, all of it.

Speaker 15 And I underscored to the audience that I don't have a horse in this race at all. I had nothing against her.

Speaker 15 It was not until I saw how many allegations she clearly made up and reached the independent conclusion as someone who practiced law for a decade and has been in journalism for two more that she was glomming on to the Me Too movement to try to save her reputation that I finally realized she's a terrible person.

Speaker 15 Then I started looking at clips, in particular the clips that had generated such negative coverage of her last summer and saw that I was actually quite late to the Blake Lively is terrible party.

Speaker 15 Clips like this one, where she bullied a reporter with no power after the journalist journalist had the nerve to compliment Blake's very obviously pregnant state.

Speaker 70 First of all, congrats on your little bump.

Speaker 15 Congrats on your little bump.

Speaker 71 Did you guys love wearing those kind of clothes that you

Speaker 15 know working in dinner? Everybody wants to talk about the clothes, but I wonder if they would ask the men about the clothes.

Speaker 54 I would.

Speaker 15 Yeah, it's not just the women that have the clothes.

Speaker 13 But I feel like we're going to get the conversation.

Speaker 15 So absurd. So that the reporter wasn't pregnant.
She was belittled and she did feel insulted and she spoke out about it after the fact.

Speaker 15 But Blake Lively couldn't be asked about the very obvious baby bump. It's called being a reporter.

Speaker 15 Because let me tell you, when you're a reporter and there's something glaringly obvious about the person who you're interviewing, whether it's multiple nose rings or a large baby bump, you call attention to it to get it out of the audience's mind so then you can move forward and have a real exchange.

Speaker 15 And as if Blake Lively thinks talking about fashion is insulting or sexist, she's constantly pushing it on us on her social media. She's so proud of her stupid floral themes she's always wearing.

Speaker 15 She was pissed that she got asked about her baby bump by this reporter because she gets pissed at everything.

Speaker 15 She's always the victim, even when she's the one with all the power, all the money, and all the ability to walk out of the interview. She didn't have to agree to it.

Speaker 15 By the way, she was once again effing up her promo tour.

Speaker 15 So since then, Blake Lively has been accused by many people of bullying them, including a woman named Barbara Sussman, an assistant director who worked with Lively on the set of the movie A Simple Favor.

Speaker 15 Barbara posted online that Lively, quote, was cruel to many on that set, adding, quote, I cried my way home many nights because you try so hard to please someone who is never pleased and puts you down constantly.

Speaker 15 Think about this. Blake Lively is a star of this movie.
This woman was the fourth AD. She has no power.
She's low, low on the totem pole.

Speaker 15 She's working her way up in Hollywood, and Blake Lively treats her like shit. The mark of one's character is how you can treat someone who can do nothing for you.
Nothing for you.

Speaker 15 Somebody very wise once told me that, and it's really true. And Barbara said Blake Lively's treatment of her was the, quote, reason I quit being an AD.

Speaker 15 And while she did not specifically name Blake Lively in her posts complaining, she later linked to a Perez Hilton YouTube post in which he surmised that Barbara was indeed talking about Blake.

Speaker 15 Then an intern who goes by the name of Ewood on the show that made Lively a star, Gossip Girl, similarly came out publicly to say that there too, Lively was a bully to staff and nasty to her fans to boot, noting that unlike Leighton Meester, who would pose for photographs with adoring fans who came by the set, Lively never would.

Speaker 15 Here's how he put it, quote, I noticed a stark contrast between the lead actresses. Blake often displayed mean, bullying behavior disguised as jokes, very passive aggressive.

Speaker 15 On the other hand, Layton was consistently lovely to everyone, even fans. He actually gave an interview doubling down on those allegations.

Speaker 73 me or anything my thing was like well that's strange because I was not acting like a fan you know I was just like doing my job and because I just saw Leighton before and just say hi and she was so I don't know like her smile and just she was just amazing like she just made the experience better when I saw Blake she was just not nice was very passive aggressive behavior the way she was talking to other people you know it was not nice i just pretend nothing happened, and you know, but she was very rude.

Speaker 73 And just the way she was talking to people around,

Speaker 73 you know, it was just like the kind of people just don't want to be around that kind of person. Just the way she was acting, you know,

Speaker 73 towards people, just the way she was talking to people, the way she was,

Speaker 73 she was not welcoming, you know. And there was like a major difference when I saw Leighton.

Speaker 15 That was on the Colonel Kurtz K-U-R-T-Z YouTube channel. So maybe E.

Speaker 15 Wood there and Barbara and the journalist with the baby bump, maybe they were all part of the Justin Baldoni smear campaign efforts, which I guess we're all on the payroll.

Speaker 15 They're on the payroll and I'm on the payroll. Is that the theory of her case? That's really what she's going to hang her hat on in court.
Oh, and Candace Owens, which is bullshit.

Speaker 15 Like Candace needs to be paid by Justin Baldoni to have her opinions. Wake up, right? It's so diminishing.

Speaker 15 She's smart.

Speaker 15 These guys who are commenting on Blake are smart. Yours truly has a couple of nickels to rub together in between my ears.
Smart enough to realize she's a liar.

Speaker 15 Blake Lively is a narcissistic liar bully brat. That's the truth, in my opinion.
And now we know that she harassed Justin Baldoni, too. She threatened him that her dragons,

Speaker 15 Ryan Reynolds and Taylor Swift, she was the mother of dragons, she said, were there to be her enforcers, a claim that appears to have cost her her relationship with Taylor, who now reportedly wants nothing to do with Blake.

Speaker 15 She tried to wrest control of the movie, It Ends With Us, from Justin, from the editing to the wardrobe to the writing of the script and so on.

Speaker 15 And when he failed to comply with her demands completely and totally, She ginned up clearly fake allegations against him that he harassed her and turned the cast against him. That's what she did.

Speaker 15 She claimed his best friend, for example, was parachuted in to play the part of the OB when her character gave birth, just so that he could get a look at her lady parts during the scene, which she claimed were entirely uncovered.

Speaker 15 Well, that man, a Shakespearean actor, has since gone on the record saying he's an acclaimed actor with many credits and that Miss Lively was fully covered in biker shorts for the scene in question.

Speaker 15 She claimed Justin and his co-producer would stop by her trailer unexpectedly and watch her breastfeed her baby against her wishes. She didn't want to be so exposed.

Speaker 15 Then Belldoni produced a text message of hers inviting them over while she was breastfeeding something she clearly had no problem with.

Speaker 15 She claimed that that co-producer subjected her to watching porn on the set.

Speaker 15 We later found out it was a still shot that could have been on the cover of any magazine of his wife doing a bathtub birth of their infant with absolutely nothing X-rated about it.

Speaker 15 as a motivation for the scene that she was going to do. She's a liar.
It's obvious. We could go on, but you know the truth.

Speaker 15 This is yet another entitled, nasty, elitist, Hollywood snob who thinks she's untouchable to the point where, not unlike Megan and Harry, who have made a career themselves out of suing members of the press who write disparaging things about them.

Speaker 15 She believes that anyone who does not worship her must be on the payroll of her enemies. Well, I'm not, Blake.
No one has to pay me one dime to say negative things about you.

Speaker 15 I do it because I believe them and because you really are terrible.

Speaker 15 Turning to me now, Mark Eiglarsch, Mark Garagos, and Phil Holloway, all contributors to MK True Crime, our new MK Media Podcast Network show.

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How's it going?

Speaker 19 Great. Megan, why don't you open up and tell us how you feel about live like this?

Speaker 13 Yeah, really.

Speaker 19 Don't be the one thing that I thought of, Megan, as you were telling this story, and in full disclosure, as you disclose, Brian is your lawyer, and Brian Friedman is, I count, as one of my closest friends.

Speaker 19 But one of the things that makes, as I was sitting here smiling, as you were ranting,

Speaker 19 that makes me smile about this is people don't realize how you came to have brian as your lawyer brian started off as representing somebody adverse to you so it's not like it's not like you came to this as oh this is my lawyer you know i'll go through wars with him or i'm gonna i'm gonna uh burn my integrity for him you recognized his talent in a depot and said hey i don't want to be adverse to this guy yeah I loved him.

Speaker 19 Right. And one of my favorite stories, and I love that.
And the idea,

Speaker 19 to your point, the idea that somehow you're going to just flush, I mean, people don't remember, you did practice law.

Speaker 19 When I first met you, you were a cub reporter, but you had practiced for 10 years and were a real lawyer. You were a real lawyer at a real law firm, actually, too.

Speaker 19 And this idea that somehow you're going to flush all of that to be a mouthpiece or like some kind of an influencer is somewhat, I get why you're disturbed.

Speaker 15 Yeah,

Speaker 15 it's very insulting, Phil, like to suggest that I would, first of all, I don't need money from Justin Baldoni, okay? Let's just be clear. I don't need his money.
I don't think he has it to spare.

Speaker 15 And I don't need his money. And it's an insult to me.
It's an insult to Baldoni. It's an insult to Brian Friedman.
It's an insult to Candace. It's an insult to Perez Hill.
Like all these people.

Speaker 15 I don't know Perez in his situation, but I firmly believe Candace would never take money from somebody to do her reporting. I would never take money from somebody to do my reporting.

Speaker 15 And this is her trying to smear, to use her word, the reporters who are out there who aren't in love with her.

Speaker 16 Yeah, look, in my opinion, let's be very clear. I'm stating my opinion here.

Speaker 16 This entire litigation train is probably being driven almost exclusively by the attorneys who have a financial interest in the longevity and complexity of this of this litigation.

Speaker 16 It's almost like a class action case where the only people that benefit are the lawyers. And so, look, Baldoni is probably being bled dry by the litigation costs.

Speaker 16 And she's the ones that launched this whole thing with a, in my opinion, specious claim of sexual harassment against him.

Speaker 16 And now to see that she's extending this out and she's going after public figures like you and others who have, like you said, come to their own conclusions about what they want to think about her.

Speaker 16 It just confirms my suspicions. And look, I'm like you.

Speaker 16 I have very low opinion of her.

Speaker 16 I have never really known much about her until this litigation started, but it didn't take me long to reach my own conclusions. And I didn't, I wasn't influenced by Baldone yet.

Speaker 54 I'm influenced by her.

Speaker 16 And how she's behaving in this case. It has nothing to do with him.

Speaker 16 And honestly, if there's there's anybody that I care less about than Blake Lively, it might be her husband, Ryan Reynolds. These people have zero impact on my day-to-day life.

Speaker 16 I don't even think about them unless or until somebody's talking about this litigation in the media. And so it just has this unseemly air about the whole thing.

Speaker 16 And quite frankly, I'm ready for this litigation to be done with, but apparently it's going to be dragged out as long as it possibly can.

Speaker 15 Yeah, Friedman just took her deposition at the end of July or early August. Mark,

Speaker 15 you're known, at least to me, for defending the little guy and like people who don't have a lot. Like you'll step in and help them.

Speaker 15 That's the thing that's really galling to me about this is it's like one thing to come after me. Obviously, I've got good lawyers.

Speaker 15 I did not use Brian on this because he's already involved in this case, but I did hire a lawyer and it did cost me some money and we made sure that I was protected and that we gave her the middle finger.

Speaker 15 But there are, you know, social media influencers who are just starting out their online careers who have no money and wouldn't know the first place to call to get a lawyer who could defend them on this kind of a subpoena that comes from these powerful law firms who then are trying to bully them.

Speaker 15 More than one has gotten a motion to compel after they've said, I'm not giving you this.

Speaker 15 And by the way, like just the obvious infringement, just because you're a social media influencer doesn't mean that you don't have a First Amendment protection in dealing with sourcing, which she's trying to probe at.

Speaker 15 She wants to know people's sources and see communications with sources. Just the overreach and again, the bullying nature of it is offensive.

Speaker 19 This would be one of those cases, I'm glad you brought it up, that I would say if somebody called me, they didn't have the money, I would consider assisting them for free because it is distasteful.

Speaker 19 Now, I don't feel the same way you guys do as of yet. I don't judge these people individually.
I don't know them at all. I also do not know fully the merits of what she's alleging or not.

Speaker 19 I can tell you, however, that some of the things that she did allege, we've discussed on this program a number of times, how it's not necessarily supported by the evidence.

Speaker 19 And that all you need to do, like Garagos and I do and Phil does in the criminal arena, is create reasonable doubt.

Speaker 19 I don't know that you need to take every single thing that she's alleging and disprove it. A couple of things are clear or they're not.

Speaker 19 You'll have the footage of what occurred during shoots to undermine some of the things that she's alleging. And I think we've already done that on this show.

Speaker 19 So my concern legally is that what's being alleged isn't necessarily supported by the evidence.

Speaker 15 Final point, and then I want to move on. Mark Guerrigos,

Speaker 15 how many public figures have you represented?

Speaker 15 When you are famous, people are going to write and think and feel negative things about you. It comes with the job.

Speaker 15 The nerve.

Speaker 15 I mean, in this way, way, it really didn't remind me of Harry and Megan to try to go around whack-a-mole and harass like these, and I don't mean this insultingly, but like low-level social media influencers, some of whom had under 40 followers, by dragging them into court to try to intimidate them after

Speaker 15 into not saying negative things about you, is as petty as it gets.

Speaker 15 The true stars know this and would never dream of bothering the the press in this manner to try to scare them into not saying anything about the star in the future.

Speaker 19 So funny you say that because I've been thinking about this case. And when I heard Phil talking about the lawyers, I don't think this is as much lawyer driven as PR flak driven.

Speaker 19 And I mean that in a negative sense because PR flaks, I think, are one of the

Speaker 19 they're worse than PI lawyers. So

Speaker 19 the problem with this case and what's going on here is precisely what you've said.

Speaker 19 You've got people who have very thin skin, don't understand what I tell most of my clients, just keep your head down for 96 hours and somebody else is going to do something more stupid and nobody's going to.

Speaker 19 did.

Speaker 19 And so just haters are going to hate, forget about it.

Speaker 19 You don't need to engage unless and until somebody gets, you know, if somebody gets traction and there's, you know, when when that happens, you understand when there's a critical mass, and then you take action.

Speaker 19 But otherwise, this is so petty, to your point, and it's so driven by PR people and their kind of nonsense calculations that that to me is what's driving this and not so much the lawyers.

Speaker 19 Megan, can I ask you a question just to keep it balanced, okay, at the risk of anybody yelling at me? Are you certain that nobody was paid for their criticism?

Speaker 19 And if you're not certain, don't her lawyers have an obligation to explore and potentially, not necessarily you, but others, and see whether there's any evidence that corroborates that this was exactly what they allege?

Speaker 15 No, because it's throwing darts at a board. It'd be one thing if they had a basis for it.
Someone gave them a tip. That's my question.
No,

Speaker 15 as far as I know, there's zero basis for this. There's zero good faith basis to allege this.

Speaker 15 You'd have to have a tip.

Speaker 15 You know, like, hey, I heard that, you know, Joe Schmo is getting paid by Bell Doni for the, I don't, as far as I am aware, and I've been following the coverage of this, there's not even a hint of an allegation along those lines.

Speaker 15 Go ahead, Mark.

Speaker 19 I was just going to say, and by the way, Mark, it's a frustration.

Speaker 19 Do you know how many times in a criminal defense case, I've wanted to pierce source criticism because I know that it's law enforcement who's doing it, but you can't do it. It's there.
It's a wall.

Speaker 19 That's it. Sorry.
That's it. And the point's been made.
If there's no good faith basis to believe that someone's been paid, then yeah, you can't.

Speaker 19 Even if there is, there's nothing you can do.

Speaker 15 No, because we're reporters.

Speaker 15 She wanted all, you know, whenever I get ready for a show, when I got ready for the show, right? I get a packet. It's got a bunch of information.
It's very thorough and detailed.

Speaker 15 My team goes through document after document to try to condense it so that we can do an orderly segment. And you guys know, because when it's a legal segment, we'll usually give it to the lawyers too.

Speaker 15 So you have all the factual background I have. And it's, I would, I mean, I'm proud of it.

Speaker 15 Very few people are this thorough in their preparation for their new show. Good stuff.

Speaker 13 Pretty lengthy.

Speaker 24 Yeah.

Speaker 15 It is. So we're very serious about it and we try to make it fair.

Speaker 19 A little too lengthy. Out of every show that I've ever done over whatever number of years, your packets are way the best.
And I think anybody would agree with that.

Speaker 19 Thank you. Well, they're certainly the thickest and they're the best too.

Speaker 15 So, but my point is simply like, okay, so now if what she basically wanted was for any segment that in which I spoke about her, like my interviews of Brian Friedman or what have you, she wanted everything.

Speaker 15 She wanted the emails between me and my team. She wanted the briefs or the packets.
She like, hell no, the drafts of the packets. My team, you know, our discussions about how it went.

Speaker 15 Absolutely not the nerve of this woman to think that I would ever turn that over or allow my team to turn it over. It just shows you the hubris that comes from being like this Hollywood star.

Speaker 15 Like, you know what? You're up against it now, sweetheart, because I will fight you. I will fight.
I'll spend tons of money.

Speaker 15 It'll be my pleasure to spend tons of money fighting you and turning you into a loser, which is what happened here.

Speaker 13 Okay, moving on.

Speaker 15 The Brian Kohlberger case has had some extraordinary reveals in the past week, including the body cam worn by the officers when they showed up at the King Road house.

Speaker 15 Right after they got called, 911 got called by, you recall it was the friend of the surviving roommate. The surviving roommates were Bethany Funk and Dylan Mortensen.
They called a friend.

Speaker 15 He came over with

Speaker 15 his other friend and they discovered the bodies and got the two girls out. And then the cop showed up wearing body cam.
And for the first time, we see

Speaker 15 one of the main people in this case, Dylan Mortensen, who's the only one who laid eyes on the killer, who we now know is Brian Kohlberger, by his own admission.

Speaker 15 Moments after he committed the murders, he was walking out of their house and she opened her bedroom door for, I think, the fourth time and laid eyes right on him. And he kept going.

Speaker 15 But she was the one who said he had bushy eyebrows and described his build and that he was wearing some sort of a mask. So here she is on camera.

Speaker 15 And then she did not call the cops for another eight hours, which became very controversial. Here she is on camera talking to the cops in SOT 33.

Speaker 15 What do you remember seeing?

Speaker 69 Get started. I remember I was in my room and I was trying to go to bed and I heard Kaylee, who

Speaker 69 ex-girlfriend, all I heard was I heard her go upstairs like okay I'm gonna go to sleep now because she's going upstairs all I heard who go upstairs Kaylee and the dog Murphy and then all of a sudden I heard her walking up I heard her scream and she ran downstairs because she saw someone that's what I'm pretty sure she said she's someone's here and she screamed and just ran downstairs and I called for her name but I jumped up and locked my door because I was so scared um

Speaker 69 and then and the I heard someone in the bathroom and I heard her crying and I heard some guy say that you're gonna be okay I'm gonna help you and I kept calling her name, but she wasn't answering.

Speaker 69 And then I opened the door for a second, and I saw this guy, and he was not insanely tall, but he's wearing all black and like this mask, which is covering his forehead and his mouth.

Speaker 69 And then I locked the door, and I called and I didn't know what to do. This was

Speaker 69 4 a.m., yes.

Speaker 69 And so then I just ran down to the room.

Speaker 15 You left here?

Speaker 69 I left my room down to room, but she's that one with the white blinds at the very bottom.

Speaker 69 I ran down there and we talked, and I just we just locked the door. We didn't think anything of it.
We're like, nothing happens in Moscow. So we just like try to go to bed.

Speaker 69 And then we woke up and it was weird because none of our roommates were up and we called all of them. They were not waking up.
And it's a meme. Like, this is weird.
So I called

Speaker 69 and to come over and then that's almost happened.

Speaker 15 Phil Holloway, the thing that jumped out at me in that was

Speaker 15 how much more aware she was of the danger than we were led to believe by the police affidavit, you know, which made it sound like frozen, frozen shock phase upon seeing someone in the house, then kind of went catatonic for eight hours, then called police.

Speaker 15 I'm not blaming Dylan Mortensen, to be clear, this poor girl's been through hell. But it was shocking to me to see how fearful she was the whole time and yet didn't call cops until noon the next day.

Speaker 15 And the murders and the encounter happened right after 4 a.m.

Speaker 16 Yeah, that video and the others are some of the most gut-wrenching body camera videos that I've ever seen in my practice.

Speaker 16 And I'm sure that both Mark's here as well as you, Megan, none of us are strangers to looking at police body camera video, but this stuff is so, so compelling because it illustrates the just enormous sadness of the whole case.

Speaker 16 And for anyone who's been living under a rock until this afternoon, what we now know, of course, is that Brian Koberger's defense team, they're the ones that made a plea offer to the prosecutor to take the death penalty off the table in exchange for a guilty plea.

Speaker 16 And of course, the prosecutor accepted Koberger's offer, and that's where we are.

Speaker 16 No wonder he pled guilty because he knew that when a jury saw that and some of the other very compelling stuff, they would have the emotional reaction that I know I'm having.

Speaker 16 And I think most people who have a soul have when they see this kind of thing.

Speaker 16 And it just illustrates how,

Speaker 16 you know,

Speaker 16 just the utter evilness of the case. And I keep going back, and I hate to be in death.

Speaker 14 I keep going back.

Speaker 16 Why is the death penalty off the table?

Speaker 15 But I don't know.

Speaker 15 Again, I don't blame Dylan Mortensen even one bit for this crime or anything. They were not savable.
The four victims were not savable.

Speaker 15 If she had called 911, you know, five minutes after, it doesn't seem like they would have been saved. They were so extremely attacked and brutalized.

Speaker 15 But it is at odds, somewhat, Garagos, with what we read in the police affidavit. Like, I can't kind of get past the disparity.

Speaker 19 Well, you know, it's a really good point, but it also, I think,

Speaker 19 clarifies and amplifies something that I've always argued in a different context. There is no playbook.
There is no way that

Speaker 19 you can say people should react. You can have now a you can look at this after the fact and you can say she was shell-shocked or

Speaker 19 they didn't understand. And when the enormity of it kind of clicked, that then there was that emotional reaction.

Speaker 19 That's always been when people point to somebody, and I've been on the receiving end of a client who didn't act right. I always, my retort is, I don't know how you're supposed to act.

Speaker 19 I don't know what was going through their minds at the point and how they had grappled with it. And it works for virtually everybody.

Speaker 19 Nobody reacts the same way

Speaker 19 to any same stimuli.

Speaker 15 You refer there to Scott Peterson, I assume, because we've discussed that. And I know you see.

Speaker 19 I was not thinking that, Megan, but

Speaker 15 it also applies to him, I think you'd say.

Speaker 19 I knew you would default to that.

Speaker 15 Okay, wait. I want to show you another clip and then I'll bring you in, eye glars.
Here is more of the police interviewing Dylan Mortensen in SOT 35.

Speaker 69 I heard her scream and run as fast as she could upstairs. And she said someone's here and then I heard Murphy barking a lot

Speaker 69 and then I heard her go into the bath I think there's the bathroom and I remember her sobbing and I just remember hearing this guy's voice and I didn't recognize saying you're gonna be okay I'm gonna help you but it wasn't like I don't know how to explain it like it wasn't in like a nice way it was like a weird way like a weird tone So then I opened up the door to look and that's when I saw the guy pass by.

Speaker 69 He looked at me, but he didn't come towards me or say anything, which was really confusing to me.

Speaker 69 I don't understand that. And I'm pretty sure he went out the side door.

Speaker 69 And then I called

Speaker 69 and

Speaker 69 said she thought maybe there was a fire or like a firework. We didn't know.

Speaker 69 She heard this loud noise and there was a light, I guess.

Speaker 69 And that's when I called

Speaker 69 and I told her, Can I need to come to your room? Because she was the only one that was answering me. So I just ran down there.
And for a second, I stopped and I saw Dana passed out.

Speaker 69 And I thought maybe she was just like sleeping or something. I didn't think anything because I was so out of it.
And I went into the room and just fell asleep.

Speaker 15 Okay, so there's a lot in there, Mark Eyeglarsh, including she heard screaming. She heard one of her roommates scream.
She heard sobbing.

Speaker 15 She saw that there was a strange man in the home wearing a mask. She called the other roommate.
They blank out the name there, but she's saying Bethany. The other surviving roommate.
She called her.

Speaker 15 She was scared enough. She called the other surviving roommate who said, maybe I thought I saw like a firework inside.
And then she saw Xana

Speaker 15 down

Speaker 15 post-attack. She said she thought she was passed out or that she, Dylan, was out of it.

Speaker 15 I guess I just don't, I still wrestle with how, how could you hear your roommates screaming and sobbing and see one down

Speaker 15 and not call sooner? I'm not blaming. I just genuinely am searching.

Speaker 19 Megan, okay. So first I agree with Phil.
This would have been a compelling witness if this went to trial.

Speaker 19 And who knows knows what would have happened there. But I start the analysis with this could be my daughter.

Speaker 19 I have three kids. One just graduated from college, two are in college.
So this could be my daughter.

Speaker 19 And so my daughter could be on Megan Kelly's show and all these networks and now being analyzed by all of you, substituting what you think you would have done in that scenario.

Speaker 19 And you're well-intended. But I sure know if this is my daughter or this girl in particular, she's well-intended.
And she did the best she could at her level of awareness at that moment.

Speaker 19 And just like Garrett said, there's no typical way to act.

Speaker 19 It's really problematic as a defense lawyer, as a father, as a human being to continue to hear people say, well, they should have done this, they could have done this without ever really hearing what they were going through and or ever being in that particular abhorrent scenario, the worst moment of your life, being questioned by law enforcement.

Speaker 19 I praise her for having the courage to answer the questions, to help out with this investigation, and nothing that she did was nefarious in any way.

Speaker 15 But what about

Speaker 15 suggested it was?

Speaker 15 Scott Peterson's nefarious. No one's suggesting it's nefarious.
So I and you can save your umbrage and outrage. No one's suggesting it is.

Speaker 15 There's a very odd situation here where she was way more upset and she heard a lot more than the police had revealed to us in that affidavit.

Speaker 15 She was much more aware that there was danger in the house than

Speaker 15 she'd ever been told before.

Speaker 19 What do you think it was, Megan?

Speaker 15 So it's a fair question to say, why is that? Why didn't the cops reveal more of that? Why did they try to keep that out of the public eye? And I'll tell you what that has done.

Speaker 15 This is not a Megan Kelly theory, nor do I subscribe to it.

Speaker 15 But you take 30 seconds and Google her name online, you've got half the internet thinking she knew more, that she wasn't in on it, but that she knew more about it than was previously revealed.

Speaker 15 I don't believe that. But I do think it's odd that the cops did not disclose any of that to us.

Speaker 16 And now we learn when the case is all over that she heard screaming and sobbing and ran for it and all that go ahead Phil police police reports are usually i mean there i've never seen one in my entire career that had uh everything that should have been in there in there and on the other hand as a when i put my former police officer hat on uh sometimes i don't want to put things in a written narrative that i know is going to be part of the larger case file uh because i'm going to

Speaker 15 put it in to the public i accept that but i think they didn't put it in there because it doesn't make dylan look very good because they they knew that people would say she was screen she heard screaming she heard sobbing and she saw Xana Crenodl down on the floor she was scared enough and then she laid eyes on an intruder she was scared enough to run to the other room roommates room and they still didn't call 911 for eight hours it's odd we are allowed to ask questions about how that could happen it doesn't mean i'm certainly not saying she had anything to do with it It's a very odd thing that's just been revealed about this case.

Speaker 15 And we've been covering this case closely. So I make no apologies for discussing it.
All right, we're going to move on to the, yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 19 I'm just going to say, I think both of of you are right.

Speaker 19 I think Phil is right when he says, from the police officer perspective, they're not going to put something in there that is going to undercut somebody who's in her position.

Speaker 19 And I think from your standpoint, absolutely, it's odd. And that probably supports what Phil did.

Speaker 19 A savvy police officer knows, why am I going to highlight this for a defense lawyer to point out the fact that she should have done it?

Speaker 19 And in her defense, who knows what went through her mind and whether she had some other issue the night before. I don't necessarily went into shock or something.

Speaker 19 There is an explanation there that we don't have that would help allay everyone's concerns. And Megan, I'm not blaming you for asking the question.

Speaker 19 I just, I'm frustrated because then the internet and everybody then just criticizes this poor young girl in the worst state. But by the way, Megan asks the same question any lawyer would.

Speaker 19 I understand. Megan's okay with it.
I'm all right with Megan asking the question.

Speaker 15 Well, I'll say this. I think she's also disadvantaged here because clearly when she's being interviewed by the cop, she now knows they're dead.
And so, you know, in the moment, she hears the stuff.

Speaker 15 She's confused. She doesn't know, you know, you're not thinking everyone's dead in my home.
You know, you're thinking, oh, I'm being an alarmist. I'm sure it's fine.
It's a college house.

Speaker 15 People are in and out of it. Who knows whether somebody's hooking up? Right.
So now it's the next morning.

Speaker 15 And the slow build has crescendoed to where like the friend comes over, he rushes them out of the house. They call the cops.
The cops get there. she hears them talking about four bodies.

Speaker 15 I mean, you know, that's the state in which they finally got to her for some questions. So, okay, we're going to talk about the Edelson trial.
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Speaker 15 So in a nutshell, this case is about, we talked about this with Dave Ehrenberg and others not long ago, but he knew the victim. So it's kind of interesting, Dan Markel.

Speaker 15 It was about a guy who lived in Florida who was married. His name was Dan.
He was married to Wendy. They got a divorce.
Wendy really wanted to move to a different part of Florida, South Florida.

Speaker 15 They were up in Tallahassee and she wanted to move down south to like the Miami area. And Dan did not want her to go because they have two kids and he wanted to be with his kids.

Speaker 15 And her parents were down there, including her mother, Donna. And Donna really wanted the grandkids by her.
Next thing you know, Dan winds up dead.

Speaker 15 No bueno. Turns out there were two hit men who were hired to do the job.
And

Speaker 15 it was a woman who hired them. That woman and the hitmen have all been convicted.

Speaker 15 That woman's connection to the family was she had worked for, remember, Wendy is the one who's in the divorce with the decedent, the victim.

Speaker 15 Wendy's brother, Wendy's brother, employed the woman who hired the hitmen. So the allegation is that Wendy's brother is guilty.
By the way, he went to jail. The

Speaker 15 hitmen are guilty. They went to jail.
And so is the woman who worked for the brother who found the hitmen. All in jail.

Speaker 15 However, the prosecution alleges like the kingpin or pins, queen pins behind the whole thing remain free.

Speaker 15 And they're starting with the grandma, which is of the two little boys, which is Wendy's mom, Donna.

Speaker 15 And Wendy could be going down soon, too. We'll get to that.
But first, we're starting with Donna, who's on trial now in Florida, where Mark Eyeglarsch is.

Speaker 15 And thanks to the Florida Sunshine Law, we get to see it all.

Speaker 15 I just want to show the audience a couple things.

Speaker 15 Donna Adelson is sitting there at defense table crying. She's doing a lot of crying.
All right. Now,

Speaker 15 maybe there is crying in criminal defense, but this judge does not seem to want it, Iglarsh. I'm just going to show a little bit of the crying in SOP 37.

Speaker 70 How did you take this photograph?

Speaker 15 for the darkened area on his forearm.

Speaker 70 Why was that of significance?

Speaker 71 That is consistent with stippling. What is stippling? Stippling is being close contact to a firearm that was discharged, and it's going to be the unburnt

Speaker 71 gunpowder and gases that leave the barrel of a gun at a high velocity, and it will tattoo or stain the skin.

Speaker 15 States exhibit 12.

Speaker 15 Just to let the audience know, we can wrap that.

Speaker 15 We showed Donna Adelson with her eyes closed, shaking her head, putting her hand up over her mouth, like, no, no, she's clearly either crying or fake crying. And

Speaker 15 they were describing the victim's injuries, which, according to the prosecution, she caused. So the crying seems a little off.
And the judge, Judge Edward Everett, did not like it. SOP 38.

Speaker 76 Mrs. Adelson,

Speaker 76 when the testimony is occurring or the evidence, I know you may have a natural reaction, but as best possible, you need to control your reactions concerning any head movements, any expressions of disagreement, or any emotional outburst.

Speaker 76 The jury must decide this matter on the merits on the evidence.

Speaker 8 Do you understand this?

Speaker 76 Very well. I do not wish to do this in front of the jurors at all, but it's very important that you are able to control your emotions.
Do you understand what I'm saying?

Speaker 15 Iglarsh, he gave her the stop crying or I'll give you something to cry about line that my mom used to give me in the 1970s.

Speaker 19 Yeah, well worth it. I mean, listen, the trials are not necessarily about the truth.
Trials are about theater.

Speaker 19 And if you can have your client testify without testifying, what she's doing is she's saying, I feel so horrible. This is horrible.
What happened to my brother-in-law? Here's the problem.

Speaker 19 I would nudge her and say, stop.

Speaker 19 This is not the message that you want to convey. No one's buying it.
We know the facts show that you didn't like him. You were talking crap about him.

Speaker 19 He then went to court and there was a pending motion where he was trying to keep the kids from her. So she didn't like him.
Stop acting like you're sad that he's gone. You're thrilled.

Speaker 13 Now, whether you pay

Speaker 57 off

Speaker 60 a different issue.

Speaker 44 Right. No, not a good act.

Speaker 19 And it doesn't make sense and it doesn't fit the evidence.

Speaker 15 Here's one other thing. Robert Adelson is not the son.
There's Robert. There's Wendy, and then there's the son forgetting his first name.

Speaker 13 Yeah.

Speaker 13 strange.

Speaker 15 Then there's Charlie. Charlie's the one who's in jail for finding the woman who found the hitman.

Speaker 15 But there's the estranged son, Robert, who parachutes into the case and gives testimony for the prosecution, talking about his discussion with his mother, the defendant Donna, who was not really all that interested in finding her son-in-law, Dan's killer.

Speaker 15 Listen here, SAT 46.

Speaker 77 Did Donna Adelson seem curious about who killed Dan Markell?

Speaker 78 No.

Speaker 72 Was there a complete lack of curiosity?

Speaker 78 Yeah, nobody seemed curious.

Speaker 71 Did you actually ever ask her, like, after the murder, like, hey, like, what do you think happened?

Speaker 72 What do you...

Speaker 78 Yeah, and the conversations were kind of rerouted, or that was certainly discouraged. And it was probably like

Speaker 78 maybe sometime like mid-August, you know, when I finally had a chance to ask and say, you know, what is going on? This was not a small event. This was getting a lot of notoriety.

Speaker 78 And I said, you know, what do you guys think happened?

Speaker 78 And she had said, you know, I don't know and I don't care. It doesn't concern me.

Speaker 15 Oh, boy. All right.

Speaker 13 Well, Garigo.

Speaker 19 Those tears make sense then, really?

Speaker 60 Come on.

Speaker 13 She felt deeply.

Speaker 15 Garrigos, that was meaningful. Getting the other brother.
That's a win for the prosecution.

Speaker 19 Yeah, but

Speaker 19 I'm going to dial back for a second.

Speaker 19 I have been in a courtroom, I can't tell you how many times, countless times, where I have reacted myself, even though I counseled the client not to, where I'll either roll my eyes or I'll look like, oh, come on, something like that.

Speaker 19 I understand from a judge's standpoint. And I thought his admonition to her was completely appropriate because he said she was.
Yeah, it was gentle. Yes.

Speaker 19 Gentle. he didn't i assume that was not in front of the jury i don't know wasn't no it wasn't

Speaker 19 um i i'm not as hard-boiled as all of you are if somebody may not have particularly liked what they were doing but reacts to being confronted with it i think there is an innocent explanation for that and she could be emotional and i don't know

Speaker 15 i think i speak for you when i say we object to being called hard-boiled i think it we are we are soft boiled we're We're soft-boiled, maybe occasionally scrambled.

Speaker 15 So, Garrigos does not think the judge was being particularly hard on her. It's fine, okay, we moved on.

Speaker 15 But the prosecution is bit by bit making its case that Donna Adel Adelson, while she sits there, oh boo-hoo, is really a cold-blooded killer who thought nothing of taking out her son-in-law Dan just so she could get the grandkids and her daughter Wendy to come live with her.

Speaker 15 Mark Garagos, I'll let you make a point on that.

Speaker 19 Well, just make I'll make one point.

Speaker 19 And my father used to say, if they've got a great case, they want state prison. If they've got no case, they want a year in jail.

Speaker 19 If you're factually innocent, they offer you time served. What's my point? They offered her time served in this case.

Speaker 19 How much do you think they really believe in their case if they're offering her time served and she turned it down? I heard that wasn't true, Mark. I don't think that's true.

Speaker 13 Yeah, I'm not sure. That's unconfirmed.

Speaker 19 I've heard

Speaker 19 that they've turned it down. Well, I know it doesn't make sense, but a lot of this case doesn't make sense.
And I've heard the exact opposite that they did make that offer.

Speaker 13 Well, here's the thing.

Speaker 15 You pissed him off, Garagos, with the hard-boiled remark. You started it, and now you're going to have to take her just like I've had to deal with it for 20 years.

Speaker 19 Time served in a murder case.

Speaker 19 No one's offering time served.

Speaker 16 Yeah, well, look, here's the thing. Well, they've explicitly denied that they made that offer, but who knows? But here's the big problem that I see with the case.

Speaker 16 The defense, in my opinion, is making a mistake by not leaning into something known as being an accessory after the fact.

Speaker 16 The charging document, the indictment in this case, charges her with soliciting the murder, with entering into a conspiracy for the murder, and as a party to the crime or a conspirator being a principal.

Speaker 16 So she's charged with literally pulling the the trigger although it's not exactly what it means so they didn't charge her with any crimes pertaining to anything she may have done to conceal a conspiracy after the fact which is what the evidence right now I think is very compelling she was in it up to her eyeballs we're starting to see through some wiretaps and conversations some other things we're starting to see some evidence that may suggest that she knew about it and participated in it was part of the conspiracy beforehand but the prosecutor because they didn't charge her with any after-the-fact type of crimes, leaves open the possibility for the defense to say, you know what?

Speaker 13 They're right.

Speaker 16 Our client, Donna, was in it up to her eyeballs. She's guilty of helping her kids kind of cover up this thing, but she's not charged with that.
So you've got to find her not guilty.

Speaker 16 There is...

Speaker 16 You know, a method to what the prosecution is doing. They're working their way backwards to her.
They got the two hit men.

Speaker 16 They got Catherine McBanois, who is the go-between, which, by the way, she didn't actually work for Charlie. She was, well, she worked under Charlie in a sense, but she wasn't working for Charlie.

Speaker 13 She was a girlfriend.

Speaker 16 Yeah, but

Speaker 16 Donna was the one writing the checks. Donna was the one writing the checks for the business.

Speaker 19 Phil is establishing a chicken or egg scenario.

Speaker 16 So they're going backwards. And now

Speaker 16 they got the easier people. And now they're working on Donna, which is a little bit tougher nut to crack.
And then if they can get Donna, I think they're going to go to

Speaker 16 Wendy next.

Speaker 13 I think that's true. That's who they want.

Speaker 19 Phil just did something that the defense didn't do in opening. It gave a theory.

Speaker 19 Now, listen, I don't like to be hard on defense lawyers, but I will likely play the defense opening in my law school class next Wednesday and say, okay, you see what she did? Don't do that.

Speaker 19 And by that, I mean there was such a lack of passion. For every action, there's a reaction.

Speaker 19 If you really believe that your client client is snow white innocent you're being paid to say that she is then get up there and feel it so what's going on is your client is being stripped of her liberty while she was going to vacation or relocate to a to a nice place and would have come back if needed but

Speaker 19 whatever whatever theory you advance for that she was fleeing for the members of the audience who have been following her she was fleeing but got caught by cops but but that she's innocent and look what they're doing and how dare they do that i know when both these guys that i'm on the panel with get up there and defend someone they have the passion and energy that mirrors the feeling inside that that is an innocent person and they should never be there.

Speaker 19 That woman got up there and with utmost love and respect, this former judge who left in disgrace, I don't know exactly why, but this former judge got up there and it did not seem to match the energy that you should have when you have an innocent client.

Speaker 69 Nope.

Speaker 15 Well, here's what they are doing. So the defense is interestingly, this is the defense.
This is Donna

Speaker 15 seeming to point to Wendy. Like they actually do seem to be pointing to the daughter, Wendy, which is new because so far they've been a united front.

Speaker 15 There's been no daylight between Donna, the grandma, and Wendy, the mother of the two little children who, you know, is, we believe, possibly behind this thing, though hasn't been charged in any way.

Speaker 15 And so, so far, they've been united, but in this trial, now we're seeing as Donna's really getting, you know, her freedom questioned here and possibly on the line, that her defense lawyers are going after Wendy.

Speaker 15 Here's a taste of that. Because Wendy did take the stand.
Donna has not yet taken the stand, but the daughter, Wendy, she took the stand and here's SOP 42.

Speaker 79 He's not here to give them advice.

Speaker 80 He is not.

Speaker 79 He can't come to any of their functions, sports, anything else.

Speaker 70 Correct.

Speaker 79 They're not eating kosher like they would have with their father. They are not.
They don't have him at all.

Speaker 80 They don't have him in their lives day to day, no.

Speaker 79 Because on July the 18th of 2014, he was brutally murdered in his driveway.

Speaker 79 isn't that true that is true and you testified on direct that anybody in your family that had anything to do with it should be held responsible isn't that correct yes and that includes you doesn't it anyone anyone who's responsible

Speaker 15 that's the defense that's not the prosecution that's the defense going after her yeah so what you know in other words well no it's not what is that really yeah but what is that

Speaker 15 wendy down the river

Speaker 19 well of course first of all they haven't spoken in two years secondly she's looking at the rest of her life in prison. She's going to do whatever she can and later say, by the way, no offense.

Speaker 19 I needed to do that to get out of this thing. So that's not abnormal.

Speaker 15 Up the river,

Speaker 15 down under a bus. That's how you throw people.
Under the bus and up the river. I don't know what kind of an egg that makes her.

Speaker 15 I know it's hard. It's hard.
Okay, wait. I want to play another one here because

Speaker 15 there is, let's see, this is the prosecution. Now, they had a shot at Wendy, too.

Speaker 15 And this was SOT 40. Take a listen here.

Speaker 70 At the time of Dan Markel's murder, was the defendant, your mother, very angry at Dan Markell

Speaker 71 before he died?

Speaker 80 Yes, ma'am. Yes.

Speaker 70 And you hated him too, right?

Speaker 80 At certain points, I was very frustrated with him.

Speaker 70 Did you refer to him as an STD?

Speaker 80 I don't remember saying that.

Speaker 54 Tab five.

Speaker 80 Looks like I made that analogy.

Speaker 70 Danny is an STD. One wrong mistake, marrying him, and this will never go away.
Is that what you said? I did. And did you share that kind of sentiment with your mother?

Speaker 80 I don't remember ever saying that, so I don't think it's something I said very often.

Speaker 70 Did you ever refer to your ex-husband as the Dark Lord?

Speaker 80 I don't remember saying that,

Speaker 80 but I certainly might have.

Speaker 70 Did you refer to your ex-husband as gibbers? I did. What is the meaning of gibbers?

Speaker 80 Gibbers was just a silly name that a friend helped me come up with to basically make him feel less scary. It was nonsense.

Speaker 15 All right. So there you have the prosecution trying to get Wendy on record with all the terrible things she said about Dan.

Speaker 19 Is that the worst thing you've ever heard in a divorce? He's an STD.

Speaker 19 That is literally so tame in most divorces. I can't even tell you.
He's a STV. Because there was a lot more than that, Mark.
I mean, what a joke. Those two

Speaker 19 mother and that daughter spent hours trashing that guy. Come on, I know the culture.
I know what's going on.

Speaker 19 STD was the nicest thing she said about him. It's precisely why I don't do family law.
It's a

Speaker 19 name-calling, yelling. and people on their worst behavior.

Speaker 15 Well, I see that as a twofer because that's the prosecution questioning. You both get Wendy to say she thought he was a jerk and you get her to say, I told my mom I thought he was a jerk.

Speaker 15 So everybody was getting the same messaging around him. Last one,

Speaker 15 one of the two guys who actually committed the murder, Luis Riviera, he testified. And this is the defense, again, the defense for Donna questioning him in SOT 39.

Speaker 79 Then I said, if you would, put the number five next to the lady that wanted the man killed. And did you do that? Yes, I did.
And was that with Wendy Adelson?

Speaker 13 Yes, I did.

Speaker 79 And then I asked you if the two people on the top of the page who have their pictures there and the names Donald, I mean,

Speaker 79 Donna Adelson and Harvey Adelson, you see those on the top? Yes, ma'am. I ask you, as far as you know, were they involved in any of this? And you said no, correct? Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 79 So I ask you to put X's next to the people who on that page were not involved in this. Yes, ma'am.
And you did that.

Speaker 14 Yes, I did.

Speaker 79 Thank you.

Speaker 15 So there he is, Phil, saying that Donna was not involved.

Speaker 16 So I got some frustration with that bit of that testimony because this guy, Rivera, in the past, he's always referred to as the lady, okay, back in Tallahassee who, you know, who didn't want the kids to go to South Florida.

Speaker 16 He's never identified that person as being Wendy. And so he also has...

Speaker 16 stated many times that you know he wasn't personally in communication with anybody other than his uh the other hitman who was in touch with katie mcbanla the go-between And so I have a problem with how he knows this information.

Speaker 16 It looks like

Speaker 15 it was Wendy. Wendy's the one who wanted Dan killed.

Speaker 16 Yeah, but it looks like he's speculating. It looks like he might be guessing a little bit.
We don't know the basis of that knowledge.

Speaker 16 And the lawyers, the prosecutors didn't redirect him on that. They didn't drill down and try to say, okay, is it possible you could be wrong about her? What is the basis of this knowledge?

Speaker 16 And it was just kind of left hanging out there. So I was very frustrated.

Speaker 15 Just to be clear, I'm going to give you the floor, Eiglars, but just to be clear again for the audience, this is the defense of Donna pointing the finger through the actual hitman at someone else, namely Wendy, who's Donna's daughter.

Speaker 15 Like Wendy's the one who wanted this murder, not Donna. She was just the grandma.
Go ahead, Eiglars.

Speaker 19 Phil is absolutely right. The prosecution should have really gotten in there to explain.
You don't know who paid this whole thing and what Donna's involvement was. But you've got to admit, and this is

Speaker 19 probably part of Phil's frustration, it was very effective.

Speaker 19 You know, as much as I criticized that opening and the lack of passion, this was very effective to have someone, a main player in here, cross off Donna as one of the persons involved in this scheme.

Speaker 19 Granted, it's got a lot of holes, Swiss cheese, but it's great theatrics. It's great for court.

Speaker 19 Reasonable doubt.

Speaker 19 Yes. Got two reasonable interpretations, one that points towards innocence.
Yes. He has strongly.

Speaker 15 But how?

Speaker 15 How without a foundation that he knows?

Speaker 19 But then nobody questioned that. That's the point.
Nobody knows.

Speaker 13 You can make the point closing.

Speaker 19 Megan, a lot of jurors are not very bright.

Speaker 15 A lot of them are not.

Speaker 15 They need to be dragged right to that water. Go ahead, Phil.

Speaker 19 The bright ones might say, why didn't they drill down on it?

Speaker 19 What were they? Right.

Speaker 13 I think they caught them by surprise, I guess.

Speaker 24 Yeah.

Speaker 16 I don't think they were ready for it, but they should have been ready for it because there was a, you know,

Speaker 16 in Florida, unlike many states, like in Georgia where I practice, we don't have the ability to take pretrial depositions in criminal cases.

Speaker 16 In Florida, they went down and deposed this guy several months ago, and they created their own chart and says, okay,

Speaker 16 cross out anybody that wasn't involved. And he apparently put an X over Donna Adelson, and he went all in on it being Wendy as being the mastermind.

Speaker 16 Again, I don't know what caused his change in testimony from being the lady to specifically naming Wendy, but hopefully the prosecution will bring that back.

Speaker 16 It's something I think they need to clean up before closing argument.

Speaker 15 All right. So let me, before I let you go, how's it going? Like, do we think this is inching toward a conviction or no? Let's go down the line.

Speaker 13 Too early.

Speaker 19 Too early. I mean, there's enough there.
There's a lot of little, you know,

Speaker 19 motive, a lot of good motive here, but we're not there.

Speaker 19 If the prosecution arrested their case today, I would be yelling, in spite of me believing that she's guilty, that an acquittal is required by law.

Speaker 15 Okay. How about you, Gargos?

Speaker 19 I'm not in that courtroom. And like I say, all trials are won or lost in jury selection.
So I would have to see jurors.

Speaker 19 But I will tell you: if I thought that I had the jury that I wanted, if I had a couple of people, and all you need is one or two who are not going to be buying what the prosecution's selling because they've been through a bad divorce or they've had kind of animus within their family.

Speaker 19 And I heard that

Speaker 19 so-called hitman, whatever you want to call him,

Speaker 19 say that it wasn't her. I don't know how you lose that case if you're the defense.

Speaker 13 Oh, I know. Phil Holloway? I know how.

Speaker 16 Well, so they're going to lose it because they haven't presented the rest of their case yet, which includes very compelling video evidence of a not-so-frail-looking Donna Adelson trying to get on a jet going to Vietnam, which is a country that she's on wiretaps talking about doesn't have an extradition treaty.

Speaker 16 And by the way, it was a one-way ticket. So they've got that, which is consciousness of guilt.

Speaker 16 They're going to link that back up to a lot of the other incriminating statements on the wiretap. And let's just face it, the jury knows that she's not the mother of the year already.

Speaker 16 So when you factor all that in together, I think they're going to convict her because it's going to be her own words and her own conduct when it comes to flight.

Speaker 16 in the face of accusation and the video is going to get her.

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Wow.

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