Absurd Signalgate Spin, NPR Exec Grilled, and Biggest Media Hacks in America, with Ruthless Podcast Hosts | Ep. 1036

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Speaker 8 Oh,

Speaker 9 they're still on freaking Signal Gate everywhere.

Speaker 8 We're just like, move on.

Speaker 12 It's not going away.

Speaker 5 The Democrats are so excited.

Speaker 13 They've got something juicy that makes the Trump administration look bad to talk about.

Speaker 15 And for some reason, the Trump administration does keep talking about it, which

Speaker 18 just stop.

Speaker 19 This is pointless.

Speaker 13 You have so many good things you can talk about that don't involve this egg on the face situation.

Speaker 24 But they all are.

Speaker 16 So we will too, to some extent.

Speaker 26 Way more delicious is.

Speaker 6 what happened on the Hill yesterday with NPR and PBS.

Speaker 28 My God, if you listen to the AM update this morning, that's our new morning show with just the news headlines, which I think you'll like.

Speaker 19 My friend Donna, you know, she listens to the show every day.

Speaker 5 My closest friend from law school, she says, you're starting to get spicier.

Speaker 32 Your personality is starting to come through more.

Speaker 6 And then first off, we started out Walter Cronkite-like with our delivery.

Speaker 28 Now we're getting a little looser.

Speaker 12 In any event, I think you'll like it.

Speaker 10 We talked about some of the sound bites.

Speaker 22 We played some of the sound bites.

Speaker 36 And oh my God, we have so many more.

Speaker 38 It was so fun.

Speaker 5 It's wonderful to see these left-wing hacks get called out explicitly for their left-wing hackism.

Speaker 42 And we'll do more of that here.

Speaker 15 Plus, it's March madness, which means it's hack madness too.

Speaker 36 Speaking of hacks, it's hack madness. What do I mean?

Speaker 45 Well, what media hacks are performing well in their ruthless brackets?

Speaker 25 There's only one group of fellas that have the answer to that, and they are Josh Holmes, Michael Duncan, John Ashbrook, and Comfortably Smug, the hosts of the Ruthless podcast or variety program.

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Speaker 18 Great to see you guys.

Speaker 60 Hey, great to see you.

Speaker 8 Thank you for having us.

Speaker 45 I like, I love, love, love the NPR story so much.

Speaker 36 And I hate, hate, hate the signal story, not because it makes the Trump administration look bad.

Speaker 10 I'm happy to talk about stuff that makes the Trump administration. I don't care.

Speaker 62 And it's like, I'm obviously a Trump supporter.

Speaker 61 Still, the news is the news, but this one's just so pointless.

Speaker 64 No one's saying anything new.

Speaker 61 We're going back and forth, arguing about whether it was war plans or attack plans.

Speaker 66 And like, is Mike Walls more culpable because he appears to have added Jeffrey Goldberg to the thread?

Speaker 58 Or is it Pete Hegseth who, you know, released was it classified information or is it not classified?

Speaker 5 Because as defense secretary, he's declassifying it by sharing.

Speaker 10 Like,

Speaker 8 I don't care.

Speaker 68 The Houthis are dead, which we're really happy.

Speaker 65 like, the average person, like, dead Houthis.

Speaker 8 Cool.

Speaker 49 And probably you should take it off signal for the next one and get rid of the nasty reporter.

Speaker 54 Like, don't you think that's how most normal people are reacting to this?

Speaker 60 100%. No question about it.
I mean, we did our entire show basically on this today. And look, the upshot of this thing is that every administration makes some kind of mistake.

Speaker 60 The previous administration, their mistake cost their team Marines their lives. This administration added a reporter to a text chain

Speaker 60 and then happened to run a flawless mission against the Houthis, which was a 17-month in-the-making problem where they had 175 separate attacks on U.S.

Speaker 60 Navy personnel while the Biden administration did absolutely nothing. Donald Trump's in office all of eight weeks.
Boom, taken care of. Suez Canal reopened.
An Iran-funded terror operation destroyed.

Speaker 60 Okay, you know, like in the matter of scandal, scandal,

Speaker 60 where does this rank? I mean, for me, overwhelming success.

Speaker 60 Now, granted, they shouldn't have any sort of external communication with the heads of the national security apparatus that includes a reporter. They know that.

Speaker 60 They acknowledge as much literally the day after.

Speaker 8 They clearly did not mean it.

Speaker 8 They did not include him.

Speaker 60 Right.

Speaker 60 And the president, in fact, took it straight on. He said, here's the way that I would prefer we handle this.

Speaker 60 And he talked about the lead ceilings and lead walls, basically describing the situation room. And that should make perfectly clear to anybody going forward the way the president sees this.

Speaker 60 It was a screw up. He's standing by his people because, oh, by the way, they executed a perfect mission, which was the whole point of this.
And by the way, an afterthought in the media. Yeah.

Speaker 60 But, but ultimately, yeah, I mean, that's why you stand by your national security folks. Clearly, a screw up, but we'll do things differently and move on.
The story's done as far as I'm concerned.

Speaker 70 Yeah, right?

Speaker 47 I don't, it's like

Speaker 18 they want a scalp.

Speaker 3 And, you know, yesterday, with all due respect to Dave Portnoy, they actually raised Dave Portnoy's name at the White House press briefing.

Speaker 71 Some reporter was like, well, Dave Portnoy, even Dave Portnoy was laughing about the fact that they took his commentary and elevated it to the presidential level.

Speaker 12 Like, well, what do you have to say?

Speaker 10 I mean, Dave Portnoy is calling for someone to get fired.

Speaker 18 He wants Mike Wallace to be fired.

Speaker 73 What do you like?

Speaker 74 What are we doing?

Speaker 14 If Dave Portnoy tells me not to go to a certain place for pizza, I'm very interested.

Speaker 67 If he has something interesting to say about sports about which I know nothing, I'm interested.

Speaker 58 His social commentary is fun, but whether someone needs to get fired over SignalGate, I'm out.

Speaker 76 And I certainly would never be so dumb as to raise that with the White House, which I think Portnoy agrees with me on.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 60 I mean, I think that pretty much gives away the whole game of what is exactly happening right now with our media.

Speaker 60 You've got the establishment media that's in that White House briefing room, and they're concerned with Dave Portnoy's thoughts on what happened here. Probably because it runs against Trump.

Speaker 60 Is they don't care about actual news. They don't care about what Americans got from that story, which is, oh, wow, Terrace got blown up.
Terrific.

Speaker 60 They're trying to make this like some process, gossipy, juicy story when there's nothing there to discuss. They're like, well, Dave Portnoy said this.

Speaker 60 It's like, maybe you're a little bit way too online here. Like you're using your time in the White House press briefing room to talk about Dave Portnoy's thoughts.

Speaker 8 Dave Portnoy is a a heck of a showman. He's a heck of a showman, but he's no showman compared to Donald Trump.

Speaker 8 And that's my recommendation in the Trump administration is like, change the conversation.

Speaker 8 You just arrested one of these top gang leaders of MS-13 in Virginia. I don't know, bring them into the briefing room.
You know, we can dissect all of his tattoos.

Speaker 8 We can ask Robert Costa, do you think this guy is a gang member of MS-13? He is an MS-13

Speaker 8 calligraphy on his chest.

Speaker 40 Dave Portnoy, is this or is this not MS-13?

Speaker 10 They're trying, but that won't do it because that's good news for the Trump administration and the left-wing media that's driving this story won't go along with it.

Speaker 57 But what's been remarkable to me, because if you if you search like all the news sites, and obviously that's my job,

Speaker 18 they're all still on it.

Speaker 80 Everyone, I mean, everything online, all the print papers completely on SignalGate.

Speaker 33 And so are all of the more establishment Republican media outlets, right?

Speaker 34 Like the Wall Street Journal's all all over it.

Speaker 31 National Review's got like four pieces up on how somebody needs to get fired and how terrible this is.

Speaker 36 I mean, they, I love National Review, but they're really turning into never Trumpers. Like they are starting to read much more like the Dispatch and they should watch it.

Speaker 13 I love those guys, but they need to rein that in a bit because it's all Trump bashing.

Speaker 5 So, but my takeaway is

Speaker 5 the people who wanted, and it's in particular about Hegseth, Hegseth to have nothing to do with the Pentagon, and we're totally against his elevation to that post, are the loudest critics in this scandal.

Speaker 12 They think there's blood in the water.

Speaker 59 They're trying to change the conversation from Mike Walls to Pete Hegseth, even though, and I don't think either one should be fired, but even though it was Mike Walls who added this Jeffrey Goldberg to the Atlanta, like Pete Hexeth didn't do that.

Speaker 27 Pete Hexeth trusted.

Speaker 28 the national security advisor that this was an appropriate place to have this conversation and that he who had created the group, Walls, had screened everyone appropriately.

Speaker 5 That was Pete's sin, right?

Speaker 18 And then had a frank conversation about the plans, as was obviously requested by Mike Walls and the others who were on there, including the vice president.

Speaker 41 But I really think it's all these people who hated Pete who will not let this die because they think they can get a scalp.

Speaker 19 And I'm here to tell you, it's not gettable. He's not getting fired.

Speaker 30 You're going to have to cry harder.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I think that's right.

Speaker 79 Yeah, no, I think that's exactly right. You look back at at what did Joe Biden do when it comes to the Houthi terrorists? He took them off the terrorist list.
What did Pete Hegseth do? He killed them.

Speaker 8 And so this is exactly what people voted for.

Speaker 79 They wanted action out of this president. It's what Trump told people he was going to do.
He came in and he started acting.

Speaker 79 And I mean, we talk about the mainstream media and you're saying that they don't want the conversation to go away. Well, the one guy who's going away is this top leader at MS-13.

Speaker 79 Another action that the president has taken. We talked about it a second ago.
But like, this guy is acting every single day in a way that voters wanted.

Speaker 79 And that's why his approval rating and the right track number that everybody follows is so high. I don't know if you saw this poll from Maris just this week.

Speaker 79 It showed that the right track number is higher than it's been in 20 years. And Democrats are

Speaker 79 scrambling. And when you say Democrats, you have to include the mainstream media in that group of people.

Speaker 79 They are also scrambling, trying to figure out what they can do to get out from under Trump's popularity and just incredible start in these first two months.

Speaker 60 I think it's also worth a little trip down memory lane when we're talking about the press here. And you're right.

Speaker 60 They're trying to get a scalp, whether it's Pete or Waltz or whatever they ask, incessantly about whether or not one of them are going to get fired.

Speaker 60 How many of those same journalists talked about Afghanistan withdrawal in the same way? Who is going to get fired?

Speaker 60 Of course, nobody got fired. Right.
And it cost 13 Marines their lives. But also, the story was sort of a process story about, well, Trump wanted to get out of Afghanistan too.

Speaker 60 Everybody wanted to do this thing and I'll move on. And you look at some of the Democrats, like Chuck Schumer, we highlighted on our show.
He had exactly one

Speaker 60 thing on all of X over the last five years that contained the word Afghanistan, where there was no call for an investigation. There was no discussion about what went wrong.
He condemned terror, right?

Speaker 60 And now he's saying that every single American's life is at risk because of an operation that happened 10 days ago, which was a resounding success. Like, this doesn't, it strains credibility.

Speaker 20 Yep, 100%.

Speaker 77 And so now you've got Jeffrey Goldberg moving into saintly status of the Atlantic, this complete left-wing hack who has never seen Republican catnip that he hasn't sniffed and rolled around in and peddled to his viewers as real, right?

Speaker 84 From Russia Gate to

Speaker 11 the fawning piece he did on Mark Milley for like holding the line against this dictatorial Trump, the guy who was going to tell the Chinese if we were going to unleash an attack on them, which, by the way, no one was even planning.

Speaker 14 Only Mark Milley's head was Trump going to go attack the Chinese.

Speaker 20 We didn't attack the Chinese.

Speaker 22 Trump didn't give the order to go attack the Chinese.

Speaker 21 But Mark Milley decided to take it upon himself to, in a treasonous communication, tell his counterpart in China, if we are going to drop any bombs on you, I will give you the heads up, which is totally, I mean, insubordinate is an understatement, but he's a patriot in the eyes of the Atlantic.

Speaker 6 Okay, so Jeffrey Goldberg goes out there like,

Speaker 30 I'm the dignified one here, okay?

Speaker 22 They added me because I'm important.

Speaker 19 Obviously, I'm in everybody's phone, not mine.

Speaker 4 Mike Walz is even saying not in his.

Speaker 31 Now, I have to say, to be honest, that sounds like bullshit to me.

Speaker 57 He does, I mean, I don't know how he'd get added from Mike Walls' phone if he weren't in there.

Speaker 15 Walls, in a very awkward exchange with Laura Ingram, seemed to be trying to say, it'd be like if I texted you something, Holmes, and said,

Speaker 13 hey, you know, great having you on the show today.

Speaker 26 Doug, my husband, wanted to send you something.

Speaker 13 And like, I CC Doug on the communication, you know, how like I added him in.

Speaker 32 So you didn't have Doug in the community, in, in your contacts, but like sometimes your phone would recognize, oh, this is Doug, right?

Speaker 36 Like it might say

Speaker 45 at a future point, if you're searching for a Doug, it might pull that up because there is some AI on your phone that does that for you.

Speaker 28 He seemed to be suggesting Goldberg was part of a different conversation he had with somebody.

Speaker 71 And that's somehow how I have no idea.

Speaker 8 Okay. Anyway, back to my main point.

Speaker 31 All these thoughts.

Speaker 12 So Goldberg goes out there and he's like, I didn't, I didn't want to do any of it.

Speaker 19 I'm so sad that they're making me do this, but I feel, you know, an obligation to tell you how insecure,

Speaker 43 unsecure these comms are and that I had war plans and he went all over the news media on tuesday saying

Speaker 19 i'm not i'm not going to release the stuff they texted about the war plans because it's too incendiary it's really it's going to compromise uh our military so that i won't do and here's a little bit of how he sounded on tuesday watch that too

Speaker 89 the last thing i want is to see american lives endangered in any way

Speaker 90 Let me, which is why you didn't include it.

Speaker 91 And Jeffrey, you rightly didn't publish, of course, the details of everything you saw in that exchange, so I don't expect you to repeat them here.

Speaker 89 Again, I don't want to go into details because I don't think it's responsible to

Speaker 89 operational issues. As much as I enjoy national security investigative reporting,

Speaker 89 I don't need strike plans two hours before a launch.

Speaker 89 That should not be coming into my phone. I mean, I take this stuff very, very seriously.

Speaker 92 White House Press Secretary, I've said you're lying. I've said there are no war plans there.
I've said there's no classified information.

Speaker 92 So the obvious question is, shouldn't you now demonstrate it? Shouldn't you publish the text?

Speaker 89 No, because they're wrong.

Speaker 89 I have a pretty clear standards in my own behavior of what I consider

Speaker 89 information that I consider to be in the public interest, even if it's technically classified or not.

Speaker 89 I'm sticking to my principles here.

Speaker 27 Sticking to his principles.

Speaker 44 Okay.

Speaker 46 So just for the record,

Speaker 21 that was him and the messaging up and down television on Tuesday.

Speaker 33 For whatever it's worth, this is what I said on tuesday

Speaker 10 for you by the way i think we're t minus like 72 hours before jeffrey goldberg releases it anyway with maybe a couple of things redacted but i i don't think he's gonna stay in this like i i'm above it all and i won't release it he he just i don't think he can help himself and that was 100 right except for the redacting 24 hours later

Speaker 8 yeah

Speaker 6 except for the redacting so he releases it all virtually 99.99 has been released i think he withheld the one name of the one guy But the whole, all the, it wouldn't be responsible.

Speaker 27 I take this stuff very, very seriously.

Speaker 66 No, I shouldn't publish it.

Speaker 21 It'd be wrong.

Speaker 54 I have clear standards out the window.

Speaker 8 Not a single redaction.

Speaker 81 Read it all.

Speaker 65 Please click on the Atlantic.

Speaker 79 It's the kind of turn that would make Nancy Kerrigan wish she could do it.

Speaker 8 I mean, it was a full double axle triple toe loop.

Speaker 79 The guy in 24 hours was so esteemed and he's never going to do it because of principle. And then he's like, you know what?

Speaker 8 Here it is.

Speaker 79 Let's get some more publicity.

Speaker 60 Also, special hats off to your researchers, Megan, who had to sift through Tim Miller and MSNBC and all of that. I mean, that's enough to give somebody brain damage.
There should be some kind of a

Speaker 60 cop reward for something like that.

Speaker 8 Hazard pay.

Speaker 40 It was just, it's unbelievable.

Speaker 45 So, this guy, he's been turned into some sort of a hero, and pick your poison.

Speaker 49 I mean, if you are pro-Europe, you're blaming this all on JD Vance.

Speaker 31 Like, he said terrible things about our best friends, about how they needed to take care of this.

Speaker 45 If you are anti-Pete Hexeth, you're saying he needs to get fired.

Speaker 16 A lot of the sort of pro, more neoconnie guys much prefer Tim Walls.

Speaker 94 I mean, sorry, not Tim Walls, Mike Walls.

Speaker 26 So there's like different constituencies coming out.

Speaker 20 And Mike Walls with Laura Ingram claimed he will get to the bottom of it, which I believe we will.

Speaker 14 And he said he's brought in a special helper to do that.

Speaker 27 Take a listen here.

Speaker 16 top three.

Speaker 96 It's embarrassing, yes.

Speaker 95 We're going to get to the bottom of it. We've, I just talked to Elon on the way here.
We've got the best technical minds looking at how this happened. But I can tell you, I can tell you for 100%,

Speaker 96 I don't know this guy. I know him by his horrible reputation, and he really is the bottom scum of journalists.
And I know him in the sense that he hates the president, but I don't text him.

Speaker 96 He wasn't on my phone. And we're going to figure out how this happened.

Speaker 8 Okay.

Speaker 31 I don't.

Speaker 75 I mean, I guess it's good to have Elon and his tech bros, right?

Speaker 49 Weigh in, but like

Speaker 19 they need to stop going on shows and talking about it.

Speaker 34 Do they?

Speaker 8 Am I wrong? Yeah.

Speaker 24 Just stop it.

Speaker 8 So I don't know. Like Elon flies rockets to Mars.
He might be a little overqualified for this job, but I love how Elon is now like generic IT guy for the entire government.

Speaker 81 Like it sure does.

Speaker 8 It's like the way you guys treat me around here. Like the internet goes out and you're like, Duncan, the router.

Speaker 60 Did you plug it in?

Speaker 8 Did you take it?

Speaker 60 Did you take the plug out?

Speaker 8 That's it.

Speaker 28 That's like when I married Doug, he was running an internet security software firm.

Speaker 30 Like

Speaker 19 they would protect against hackers, that kind of thing.

Speaker 12 And my mom would call up and be like, my browser disappeared.

Speaker 8 Where's my browser?

Speaker 60 You know, my email is running slow, Elon.

Speaker 60 Everything is going to junk.

Speaker 3 Okay, but here, here is the most offensive, absurd take of all.

Speaker 33 Someone I've never heard of.

Speaker 57 You guys are in the biz, so you might have.

Speaker 33 Democrat representative of Texas.

Speaker 35 What's going on with Texas? We got Jasmine Crockett.

Speaker 4 We got this loser, Jimmy Gomez, who had this take on it.

Speaker 10 at a hearing with the CIA director and others, but this exchange is with CIA director John Ratcliffe.

Speaker 8 Cliff.

Speaker 100 To your knowledge, do you know whether Pete Hegseth had been drinking before he declassified information?

Speaker 56 You're an idiot.

Speaker 15 I don't have any knowledge of Secretary Hegseth's personal habits.

Speaker 100 Director Radcliffe, same question. Yes or no?

Speaker 98 You know, no, I'm going to answer that. I think that's an offensive line of questioning.
The answer is no.

Speaker 98 I find it interesting that you want to focus on

Speaker 98 the time.

Speaker 8 Director, you want an answer? No, listen.

Speaker 98 You don't want to focus on the good work that the CIA is doing, that the intelligence community.

Speaker 8 Director, I want to claim my time.

Speaker 98 I have

Speaker 100 huge respect for the CIA, huge respect for men and women in uniform. But this was a question that's on the top of minds of every American.

Speaker 100 He stood in front of a podium in Europe holding a drink. So, of course, we want to know if his performance is compromised.

Speaker 8 His performance compromised because of a successful strike.

Speaker 100 Mr. I bring my

Speaker 97 know

Speaker 98 you want to talk about accepting responsibility

Speaker 98 responsibility for a successful strike to make americans safer i really want to focus on

Speaker 59 by the way apologies to texas he's of course actually from california can you believe the nerve of this guy no i i i can I can't.

Speaker 60 Democrats are in such bad shape. Matthew Brooke mentioned it earlier, but their right now favorability rating is the worst it's been in over a generation.

Speaker 60 President Trump's favorability rating is the highest it has ever been. It's higher than it was on Election Day.
The Democrats are trying to manufacture anything. This is beyond grasping at straws.

Speaker 60 They see that they are falling into a pit and they're trying to grab anything they can.

Speaker 60 anything that they think will let them get some kind of traction because since election day, they've been just getting steamrolled nonstop.

Speaker 60 Americans could not be more thrilled seeing criminals, illegals getting deported out of this country. The media doesn't watch about egg prices.
Egg prices have halved in the past month.

Speaker 60 The story that they were trying to push, that, oh my God, Biden killed all these chickens and now Trump's caused the egg prices to go up. Everything that they've tried to get Trump on has failed.

Speaker 60 This is going to go down in the same line. They're going to try to make a story out of this.
And I completely agree with you. The Trump administration should ignore this.

Speaker 60 Talk about the MS-13 guy you just arrested today and move on. Keep putting up W's for the American people.

Speaker 43 This guy, Jimmy Gomez, according to

Speaker 94 a radio host in South Carolina, Brett Winterbull,

Speaker 31 was before he entered electoral politics, a labor organizer.

Speaker 8 He was organizing labor.

Speaker 48 At the time, Pete Hegseth had

Speaker 28 a backpack on and a gun slung around his shoulder and was killing bad guys for us in Iraq and Afghanistan and down at Gitmo, dealing with the worst of the worst.

Speaker 46 So that's how Pete spent his formative adult years while Jimmy was a mini Barack Obama trying to organize, in his case, labor but he wants to besmirch Pete as a drunk because he says we saw him with the drink in his hand what an absolute fucker that

Speaker 15 that is based on Pete standing up in front of a room full of people at a public event in which he was addressing I can't remember what the what was the event you guys and like a whole group was this the NATO summit?

Speaker 8 Yes.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 14 It was in Belgium.

Speaker 45 It might have been that.

Speaker 51 Anyway, look, he's saying this is him drinking booze. This idiot, Matt Iglesias, said, I assume this is the trick of the light.

Speaker 10 And he's not actually throwing back bourbon on camera, but it's interesting that the water looks brown.

Speaker 62 Meanwhile, it would have taken him 10 seconds to Google.

Speaker 94 video from the event where it makes very clear the water was clear, like all water is, and that it was just a lighting trick.

Speaker 17 But like now it winds up in a congressional hearing as like he's been, he's been, this is so disgusting how they use this stuff to absolutely smear honest, hardworking men.

Speaker 60 But it's also a perfect vignette into the larger problem that Democrats have when Smug was talking about their approval rating and what it is that they're talking about, this knee-jerk opposition to hugely popular things that President Trump is doing.

Speaker 60 Think about Jimmy's information flow. Right.

Speaker 60 Think about the information that comes to him on a day-to-day basis to one, conclude that that that was in fact bourbon, and two, that it's on the top of minds of everyone he's talking to.

Speaker 60 Think about the information that has to go into that man's head in order to conclude those two things in a congressional hearing and not feel entirely humiliated by the question in the first place.

Speaker 79 You know, these people are wrecked.

Speaker 60 Their brain is just broken.

Speaker 22 It's real, it's so deeply offensive that you would get up there and actually suggest, and only in Congress can you get away with this because you've got a liability shield from defamation.

Speaker 16 Actually, basically, call him a drunk.

Speaker 52 Say, like,

Speaker 22 was he drunk when he was tweeting this shit?

Speaker 31 But if not for nothing, there's zero about the actual text that suggests in any way, shame,

Speaker 36 shape, or form that anyone was impaired while having this discussion.

Speaker 50 It's absolutely defamatory, but they get away with it.

Speaker 14 To pick up on the point you just made, Smug,

Speaker 22 everyone's favorite pollster, or at least poll analyst, Harry Enton was over on CNN doing a bit on what you just said on Trump's approval and here's a bit of it.

Speaker 102 His net favorable rating right now comes in at minus four points.

Speaker 102 Compare that to where he was when he won in November of 2024 when he was at minus seven points or March of 2017 when he was at minus 10 points.

Speaker 102 So when you compare Trump against himself, he's actually closer to the apex than he is to the bottom of the trough.

Speaker 102 And of course that's so important because Donald Trump, historically speaking, has had his numbers underestimated.

Speaker 102 So let's take a a look at the percentage of the country who say that we're on the right track. It's actually a very high percentage when you compare it to some historical numbers.

Speaker 102 What are we talking about? According to Maris, 45% say that we're on the right track. That's the second highest that Maris has measured since 2009.
How about NBC News? 44%.

Speaker 102 That's the highest since 2004. The bottom line is the percentage of Americans who say we're on the right track is through the roof.

Speaker 77 Yeah.

Speaker 76 His body movements are so great.

Speaker 77 They make the hits, don't they? Like, he's like

Speaker 8 through the roof and he's like, it's so high.

Speaker 40 It's down low.

Speaker 76 And it's segmented.

Speaker 63 It's out the window.

Speaker 8 Like,

Speaker 103 he's very entertaining to watch.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 60 No, a little theater goes a long way, particularly on CNN. It makes the rest of the stuff go down a little lazier.
Well, it really does.

Speaker 79 And he did that on a morning show on CNN. And so what I like to think about is what your typical CNN viewer did for the rest of the day after learning that information.

Speaker 8 Speaking of Bourbon.

Speaker 79 start off on the right foot when they found out that Donald Trump, the guy they hate so much, is actually very, very popular.

Speaker 8 Yeah, they're not feeling about Harry the way the rest of us are.

Speaker 10 He's from the Bronx, which is another thing.

Speaker 57 I love the New York City accent. I love it.

Speaker 52 But Brooklyn Bronx, it always just is utterly charming to me.

Speaker 12 Okay.

Speaker 66 Enough of that. Signalgate will go away.

Speaker 45 No one will be fired and we'll be fine.

Speaker 8 However,

Speaker 10 I don't know if NBR is going to be okay.

Speaker 51 I think NBR is about to lose.

Speaker 10 its taxpayer funding based on what I saw yesterday, right?

Speaker 73 I think it's going to based on what Trump tweeted and what we saw yesterday.

Speaker 38 It was so great to watch this woman, Catherine Maher,

Speaker 85 have you like this, speaking of smug, smug, right?

Speaker 93 She was so smug.

Speaker 64 She was like oozing contempt and like

Speaker 36 superiority and trying to be like, thank you so much for raising a thank you.

Speaker 28 Thanks for giving me the opportunity to respond to that.

Speaker 23 Now let me lie for two minutes about how it never happened.

Speaker 19 I appreciate you giving me the chance to lie about how I never did the controversial thing.

Speaker 26 I'm very grateful to you for bringing up.

Speaker 93 And then these congressmen just kept hitting her with, oh, you never did it?

Speaker 66 Oh, well, here's you saying you did it.

Speaker 31 And the best, I mean, there's so many good ones to choose from, but we might as well just kick it off with my new favorite congressman.

Speaker 51 He is from Texas.

Speaker 64 He's Brandon Gill.

Speaker 53 He's married.

Speaker 76 to Dinej D'Souza's daughter.

Speaker 67 I didn't know any of this.

Speaker 38 He is a cold, stone, dirt, stone, cold assassin in that congressional seat.

Speaker 24 Watch him.

Speaker 99 Do you believe that America is addicted to white supremacy?

Speaker 105 I believe that I tweeted that, and as I've said earlier, I believe much of my thinking has evolved over the last half decade.

Speaker 99 Do you believe that America believes in black plunder and white democracy?

Speaker 105 I don't believe that, sir.

Speaker 99 You tweeted that in reference to a book you were reading at the time, apparently, The Case for Reparations.

Speaker 105 I don't think I've ever read that book, sir.

Speaker 99 You tweeted about it.

Speaker 99 You said you took a day off to fully read the case for reparations. You put that on Twitter in January of 2020.

Speaker 105 I apologize. I don't recall that I did.

Speaker 105 I'd no doubt that your tweet there is correct, but I don't recall that.

Speaker 8 Okay.

Speaker 99 Do you believe that white people inherently feel superior to other races?

Speaker 105 I do not.

Speaker 99 You don't? You tweeted something to that effect. You said, I grew up feeling superior.
Ha, how white of me. Why did you tweet that?

Speaker 105 I think I was probably reflecting on what it was to be to grow up in an environment where I had lots of advantages.

Speaker 99 It sounds like you're saying that white people feel superior.

Speaker 105 I don't believe that anybody feels that way, sir. I was just reflecting on my own experiences.

Speaker 99 Do you think that white people should pay reparations?

Speaker 105 I have never said that, sir.

Speaker 99 Yes, you did. You said it in January of 2020.
You tweeted, yes, the North, yes, all of us. Yes, America.
Yes, our original collective sin and unpaid debt. Yes, reparations.
Yes, on this day.

Speaker 105 I don't believe that was a reference to fiscal reparations, sir.

Speaker 99 What kind of reparations was it a reference to?

Speaker 105 I think it was just a reference to the idea that we all owe much to the people who came before us.

Speaker 8 Oh, my God.

Speaker 101 I love him so much.

Speaker 23 I need to know him. He's got to come on this show.

Speaker 6 I have to tell him how much I deeply admire him.

Speaker 60 He's an absolute rock star. So he was elected class president for the incoming freshman, and for good reason.
It's because of that. He showed up and he wanted to be the tip of the spear.

Speaker 60 He doesn't take any garbage.

Speaker 60 I mean, every time you see the left try to come up with some dirty trick to go after President Trump, to go after Republicans, or like this, try to rob taxpayers like NPR has been doing, pushing their fake hoaxes, he holds them accountable.

Speaker 60 That's what you want from a member of Congress. He's off to a phenomenal start and you love to see it.
You want to see this is the people that we are sending to Congress.

Speaker 8 What I love most about it, Smug, is you can tell he's enjoying it. Oh,

Speaker 8 he's getting a crack in the smile as he's going back. It's like, oh, I got a receipt for that one too.
No,

Speaker 60 the cadence of it is fantastic he's like oh but do you have there's a there's a tweet about it

Speaker 8 yes you did good i was so good yes you did his his lack of emotionality is what made it so good

Speaker 66 he was just like you did you said that you did tweet that here's the exact tweet you did you said you read that book you said you took the whole day off and spent the day reading that book and here's the thing that's so great about it is you know so which which is the lie were you lying when you said that you read these woke, annoying books time and time again to try to pander to left-wingers who you think are your fans?

Speaker 48 Was that a lie?

Speaker 64 Or are you lying today under oath when you're looking at me saying you never read these books?

Speaker 41 Because like, not only did you take the time to lie to all these people if you didn't read these books, but like you actually tweeted it in front of I don't know how many followers she has, probably hundreds of thousands.

Speaker 31 So like the virtue signaling that she felt was important to do to be like, I'm a leftist, just like all of you, and I'm reading all your favorite insane books, like, which is worse.

Speaker 73 If those were lies and she was just pandering, or if she really did that shit and then just lied under oath to Congress.

Speaker 60 I think it's pretty clear that she lied under oath to Congress. I mean, look at the organization that she's running.
I mean, this is not somebody who's faking leftism.

Speaker 60 You had a deep commitment to it over a period of time that like, I don't know, if you just flip on the radio, turn on, I mean, that's that's what it is, folks. That's what it is.

Speaker 60 There's no secrets there.

Speaker 8 Remember the TED talk? Do we think she read the case for reparations?

Speaker 25 I don't think she read the case for reparations.

Speaker 15 Go ahead, Ashbrook.

Speaker 79 Remember the TED talk she gave where she was trying to explain why truth doesn't matter, why leftist ideals are more important than truth?

Speaker 8 Yeah, that like objectivity gets in the way how annoying white men are. Yeah,

Speaker 8 yeah, yeah. What I loved most about that exchange is like we all had this buddy in college who would black out so much.
And then the next, the next day, you'd have to walk him through his name.

Speaker 8 And he'd be like, oh, no,

Speaker 8 that doesn't sound like me at all. I'd never do that.

Speaker 60 The end of it is like, all right, who do I need to do with politics?

Speaker 67 Thank God that guy was never subjected to my new favorite representative.

Speaker 60 So it probably went down exactly like that with his buddies. Yeah.

Speaker 8 It was like, well,

Speaker 60 here's a picture of it.

Speaker 8 You tweeted about it.

Speaker 60 I didn't know you were standing on the bar.

Speaker 70 Yeah, you did.

Speaker 59 Here's more.

Speaker 57 First of all, I'll go back to the congressional hearing, but I will give you a little bit for old time's sake of Catherine Marr's TED Talk that you referenced in 2022.

Speaker 49 This is before she

Speaker 17 became the head of NPR.

Speaker 48 This is the stuff that got her the job.

Speaker 8 Watch.

Speaker 108 That perhaps for our most tricky disagreements, seeking the truth and seeking to convince others of the truth might not be the right place to start.

Speaker 109 In fact, our reverence for the truth might be a distraction that's getting in the way of finding common ground and getting things done.

Speaker 108 It's because the truth of the matter is very often, for many people, what happens when we merge facts about the world with our beliefs about the world. So we all have different truths.

Speaker 8 What the?

Speaker 79 This is not extemporania. She practiced that speech 37,000 times in front of the mirror so she could deliver it with that cadence and the in fact,

Speaker 79 folks, with that hushed tone.

Speaker 60 It's like the worst HR person in corporate America showed up in your office and they're telling you why you have to shut your computer down.

Speaker 8 I mean, she's like,

Speaker 8 you go through all the seminars.

Speaker 24 Go ahead, Smuggy.

Speaker 60 She's the embodiment of the whole problem the left has now found itself in. They've been completely siloed off from the majority of people.

Speaker 60 The way she talks, she's doing a TED Talk with such self-importance and explaining to people: here's the thing: there's lots of truths. You know,

Speaker 60 I run NPR. It's not important for me to give objective facts.
So we're talking about we need to get across the message that we want people to believe.

Speaker 8 Public radio.

Speaker 8 I'm not surprised at all that she has no memory of tweeting any of those things because people like this, life is theater for these people.

Speaker 8 And they're just acting, right? And so, yeah, when you're an actor, sometimes you forget your lines.

Speaker 59 Here's some more from Catherine Mayer over the years.

Speaker 94 Again, this is just over the past few years.

Speaker 19 Again, before she was made CEO, but I would suggest to you, this is why they made her CEO in January of 2024.

Speaker 8 Okay, on looting.

Speaker 4 I mean, sure, looting is counterproductive, but it's hard to be mad about protests not prioritizing the private property of a system of oppression founded on treating people's ancestors as private property on whiteness.

Speaker 71 I know that hysteric white woman voice.

Speaker 19 I was taught to do it.

Speaker 36 I've done it. It's a disturbing recognition.

Speaker 20 While I don't recall ever using it to deliberately expose another person to immediate physical harm on my own cognizance, it's not impossible.

Speaker 35 That is whiteness.

Speaker 65 She's got a rant about too many white men in business class and in the lounge.

Speaker 3 She's annoyed seeing all the white people like herself and the guys, especially with the penises.

Speaker 58 She gets upset.

Speaker 20 I mean, there's, you name it.

Speaker 36 There's a tweet for it. Catherine Maher absolutely hates white people, but reality, realistically, she doesn't.

Speaker 67 I think she's just faking.

Speaker 41 She's been faking for a long time, like all these other Upper West Side women who are the wokest

Speaker 27 that you can be and who are being reflected in these polls as the only thing thing still propping up the Democratic Party.

Speaker 34 Right.

Speaker 41 It's these woke white women like Catherine Marr.

Speaker 84 Meanwhile, black people are like, would you stop that shit for the love of God?

Speaker 8 I have a fantastic idea for her, you know, since she's so concerned about reparations and everything in BLM. You know, we're tearing up BLM Plaza here in Washington, D.C.

Speaker 8 16, 16th Street is going to be restored to its former glory. But NPR has some fantastic real estate here in our nation's capital, a beautiful building in the heart of the city.

Speaker 8 I think we take off the words NPR and we put BLM.

Speaker 60 Yeah. And then we can just have everybody go there too.
I mean, it doesn't, you know, we can just make it like basically housing. Yeah.
Right. For everybody.
Yeah.

Speaker 60 That'd be a great service to the community. Maybe she'd be interested in that.

Speaker 60 I was sort of with her, though, you know, when you were talking, Megan, you were talking about the people that she cloisters herself around. And, you know, the white woman, the wine mom, essentially.

Speaker 60 She was like, oh, I know that voice. I was kind of with with her on that.

Speaker 8 You know, I mean, she's like, Yeah, yeah. Okay, Karen.

Speaker 60 That's pretty much it. That's, that's exactly what annoys all of us.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 22 But I mean, it's like, I've been that voice. Okay.
But what do you mean?

Speaker 56 Like, what specifically did you do?

Speaker 22 I want to know exactly. Get into more.

Speaker 8 That would have been a good follow-up.

Speaker 51 Like, what exactly? You said you did this.

Speaker 45 Could you walk us through how and when?

Speaker 20 You used the white woman voice and said all the things that you were taught, who taught you that it's a disturbing recognition.

Speaker 56 And you're suggesting you did use it to deliberately expose another person to immediate physical harm.

Speaker 88 You might have done that. Who?

Speaker 34 Who got hurt? Why'd you do that?

Speaker 71 That is fucking racist.

Speaker 8 That's actually really upsetting. Like, you should not be the head of NPR or any other news organization.

Speaker 79 I remember one time she used that voice and said, you're fired to a guy named Uri Berliner, who had the temerity to say, damn, and maybe at NPR, we should have another Republican or two.

Speaker 79 Maybe it shouldn't be 1,000 libs and Democrats.

Speaker 8 Deep track.

Speaker 60 Deep track.

Speaker 40 That's all. Here's a little bit more.

Speaker 20 Let's go to Representative Tim Burchett.

Speaker 16 This was one of the best.

Speaker 68 Saad 8.

Speaker 79 Why did you call President Trump a fascist and a deranged racist sociopath in 2020?

Speaker 105 Congressman, I appreciate the opportunity to address this. I regret those tweets.

Speaker 110 I would not tweet them again today.

Speaker 105 They represented a time where I was reflecting on something that I believe that the president had said rather than who he is. I don't presume that anyone is a racist.

Speaker 79 You don't believe anyone is a racist i don't start by presuming anyone is a racist sir

Speaker 8 but thank you so much for asking me because i i i love that why did you why did you call him a racist fascist sociopath i i regret that that's

Speaker 93 i regret that volsha she doesn't regret that at all she totally stands by every word of that

Speaker 60 Thank you so much for the opportunity to address all these past comments. I can't thank you enough.

Speaker 60 I think the most important thing for everyone to take away from all of this is you're paying her.

Speaker 60 Your money is going to her against your will. And that has to stop.
It has to stop immediately. This hearing was so important because everyone should have to see.

Speaker 60 This is what Doge is doing. They're getting vilified.
They're getting attacked, terrorized across the country because they're bringing garbage like this to light.

Speaker 60 There's no reason hardworking people who go to work day in, day out are paying that that woman's salary. That's completely unfair.
It's wrong. Yeah, it's supposed to be public information.

Speaker 60 It's there to try to get people educated on what's going on in their government and their communities and everything else. In reality, what it is, is a poison.

Speaker 60 It's going into communities. When you have viewpoints like this, it's not a surprise that the derivation of that is like DEI that goes

Speaker 60 all the education system problems that we've seen pop up over the last few years. I mean, what they're doing is quite literally tearing communities apart.

Speaker 8 100%.

Speaker 22 Well, so here's the thing.

Speaker 59 So maybe, so she later tried to claim, oh, there's a strong firewall between me and the news division.

Speaker 8 You know, I don't run editorial. I'm the head of NPR, but trust me.

Speaker 107 But even so, like

Speaker 66 whatever, the whole organization is full of rot.

Speaker 76 It's up and down to the studs. It's full of rot.

Speaker 71 and hatred for Republicans and an aversion to the truth if that truth reflects negatively on Democrats or positively on Republicans.

Speaker 57 And that's where the real problem is with NPR.

Speaker 55 It's not so much, I mean, she's fun to make fun of, but the real problem is that this really is media matters with a different moniker.

Speaker 111 That's how far left they are.

Speaker 21 And getting to like how biased they are in their coverage, which again, we're paying for, is really getting to the heart of the matter.

Speaker 26 That's what Jim Jordan tried to do in the following exchange SAT-12.

Speaker 112 He wrote on the Trump Russia story: He wrote, at NPR, we hitched our wagon to Trump's most visible antagonist, Representative Adam Schiff. And he said they interviewed him 25 times.
Is that accurate?

Speaker 110 I was not there at the time, but those numbers sound accurate.

Speaker 112 Those sound accurate. But then he said when the Mueller report came out, he said, Russia gate faded from our programming.
Is that accurate?

Speaker 110 Again, I was not there at the time.

Speaker 110 I couldn't say.

Speaker 112 You couldn't say? I was not at NPR at the time. You didn't prepare for that.
You knew we were going to ask you about this guy, didn't you? It's come up like 6,000 times already in the hearing.

Speaker 110 I just couldn't say whether it faded from our coverage, sir.

Speaker 112 How about this story?

Speaker 112 October 2020, the New York Post had the Hunter Biden laptop story, and one of those editors, I guess one of those 87 Democrat editors, said this, we don't want to waste our time on stories that are not really stories.

Speaker 112 We don't want to waste the listeners' and readers' time on stories that are just pure distractions. Was that a pure distraction story?

Speaker 110 Our current editorial leadership believes that that was a mistake, as do I.

Speaker 112 Yeah, the whole country knows that was a mistake. Mr.
Berliner said we became fervent members of the team Natural Origin, even declaring that the lab leak was debunked by scientists.

Speaker 110 Is there a question there?

Speaker 8 There is.

Speaker 112 You guys were 0 for 3 on the three of the biggest stories in the last five years. You guys were 0 for 3, and yet you maintain that NPR is not biased?

Speaker 110 Congressman, I do not believe we are politically biased. No, we are a nonpartisan organization.

Speaker 8 Oh, my God. RussiaGate,

Speaker 16 Hunter Laptop, and COVID.

Speaker 3 I mean, he exposed her.

Speaker 31 And he's exactly right.

Speaker 57 The mistakes only go in one direction.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 60 Well, I'm also reminded that none of this would be happening if not for a two-seat majority in the House of Representatives. None of those questions would be asked in the first place.

Speaker 60 She would have no regrets about any of that at all.

Speaker 60 I mean, it's one of the things that we tell our listeners, and I know you tell your viewers and listeners as well, is you can't sort of relax and hope that everything is going to work out all right.

Speaker 60 Because but for two seats in the House of Representatives across this country, none of those questions would even be asked, much less contemplated by a woman who's clearly got an agenda to run national public airwaves as she sees fit and as she sees fit is off the left-hand side of the map.

Speaker 25 So true.

Speaker 4 I mean, they did a great job yesterday of exposing just how left they are.

Speaker 71 And they referenced back to that Uri Berliner piece in the free press.

Speaker 36 He said he won a Peabody.

Speaker 33 He was there for 25 years, very respected journalist who comes out to say, We've lost our way. I mean, we are just, we're hard left now.

Speaker 21 We don't care about truth.

Speaker 43 What we care about is protecting Dems and promoting them.

Speaker 4 And this came up because somebody was asking her, I think it was Jordan again, yeah, about

Speaker 56 what Uri posited in that piece, which was, of the editors in the DC area alone, that's that's just the only one I checked.

Speaker 57 We found 87 Dems and zero Republicans.

Speaker 5 And she actually had the nerve to try to say that that was concerning to her.

Speaker 71 I think this is that SOT.

Speaker 19 Let's just watch a little bit of it, SOT 11.

Speaker 112 Is NPR biased?

Speaker 110 Congressman, I have never seen any instance of

Speaker 110 political bias determining editorial decisions. No.

Speaker 112 Well,

Speaker 112 Mr.

Speaker 95 Berliner,

Speaker 112 in his story

Speaker 112 last year, wrote,

Speaker 112 in the DC area, editorial positions at NPR, he said he found 87 registered Democrats, zero Republicans. Is that accurate?

Speaker 110 We do not track the numbers or the voter registration, but I find that.

Speaker 112 There was an award-winning journalist who worked 25 years at NPR, Mr. Berliner, was he lying when he wrote that?

Speaker 110 I am not presuming such. I just don't have, we don't track that information about our journalists.

Speaker 112 87 to zero?

Speaker 113 And you're not biased.

Speaker 110 I think that is concerning if those numbers are accurate.

Speaker 30 Then do something about it.

Speaker 8 It's more dishonest.

Speaker 32 She doesn't find that concerning.

Speaker 76 It's been a year since Berliner's piece.

Speaker 38 And if she cared at all, they already would have been hired.

Speaker 46 They hired some six-person editorial board to like shore up their editorial over there, not one of whom is a Republican, right?

Speaker 48 Like there is no way forward in cutting out

Speaker 39 the majority of the country.

Speaker 33 Now, the majority is right-leaning and voted for Trump out of the conversation entirely.

Speaker 42 And if you want to be that left-wing rag, right on, sister, you do you.

Speaker 52 That's why we have MSNBC and a lot of other organizations, but we don't have to pay for it.

Speaker 8 Bingo. Right.

Speaker 60 Right. That's totally right.
I mean, Johnny, you bring this up all the time, but they've had ample opportunity to rectify what was exposed by Berliner.

Speaker 79 Right. And

Speaker 79 we all know what happened. She pretends like she, she, you heard what she said.
She says, I was not there at the time that this was taking place.

Speaker 79 But when she started, the first thing she did right after she got her login and her password was to get rid of Uri Berliner because he had the temerity to say that maybe we shouldn't be so biased at this place.

Speaker 79 And so she's, her dishonesty is multi-level in this whole interaction. And I really hope so many people saw this because they can see NPR for what it is.
And finally, we cannot have to pay for it.

Speaker 8 It is wild that you could be the CEO, ostensibly the CEO of a a company or organization and have little to no idea of what goes on there. Right.

Speaker 8 You admit that in a public hearing. It's like she doesn't know anything about the BLM tweets.
She doesn't know anything that's happening in NPR.

Speaker 8 The only thing she's 100% sure of is that she's tweeted that Donald Trump is racist. Right.

Speaker 46 And she's very glad that you brought that up.

Speaker 71 Very glad so she could tell you it.

Speaker 19 It isn't true.

Speaker 94 I don't know why I said that.

Speaker 19 I was, that was crazy talk.

Speaker 66 The funny thing is there was a report, I think it was Politico, after the hearing yesterday saying that,

Speaker 80 no, it was New York Times, Benjamin Mullen, who reported that

Speaker 87 supporters of public media were breathing a sigh of relief at the end of the hearing.

Speaker 31 One longtime public media executive texted me to say that neither chief executive, because PBS is also there, had made a major error yet.

Speaker 8 I mean, they don't get it, you guys.

Speaker 79 No, they're living in a bubble with viewers like you and the members of the Paul R. and John D.

Speaker 8 MacArthur Foundation that are right alongside the rest of us as can tell you. Tell you to point every April.

Speaker 38 They're like, Catherine,

Speaker 76 it was stellar right on point.

Speaker 67 That part where you said you didn't actually read the books.

Speaker 17 Loved that part.

Speaker 8 Didn't lay a glove on you.

Speaker 8 Wait until you see

Speaker 81 your funding go away.

Speaker 46 I mean, probably, to be honest, the most important question there was that question we played of the guy being like, why'd you call Donald Trump a fascist, racist sociopath?

Speaker 67 I meant it lovingly.

Speaker 49 That was probably the most important one because Trump already tweeting out, we need to defund these guys.

Speaker 12 They've got like, there's no point in us funding PBS.

Speaker 57 And all the Dems had was, but Elmo, but Elmo.

Speaker 21 Meanwhile, Sesame Street was sold to HBO in 2015.

Speaker 8 That's right.

Speaker 104 Elmo is going to be just fine.

Speaker 60 He's in the private sector now. He's doing great.

Speaker 8 All right.

Speaker 70 We're going to take a quick break. We'll be right back.

Speaker 44 The fellas are with me for the full show, and there's a lot more to get to.

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Speaker 51 There's been a lot of this in the news lately, and so I decided to save this segment for you.

Speaker 32 And I know we're going to get to Hack Madness, your own special version of March Madness in a minute.

Speaker 18 But to put us in the mood, this is the appetizer to Hack Madness,

Speaker 87 I have my own little game for you. And this is more in the field of the Academy Awards.

Speaker 3 And I really would love for you guys to weigh in on who you think, who you think is,

Speaker 80 in fact, the best actress in America today outside of Hollywood.

Speaker 12 Okay.

Speaker 16 And I have got a couple of contenders for you.

Speaker 33 All right.

Speaker 36 I've narrowed it down to four.

Speaker 80 And I'm going to show you how these people normally sound and then how they sound when they get in front of certain audiences and certain cameras.

Speaker 8 I think I know what they're doing. And you're going to tell me who you are.

Speaker 60 I see what's happening.

Speaker 24 Who wore it best?

Speaker 8 Who fooled fooled you?

Speaker 78 Who's really like, who's phoning it in?

Speaker 53 And who's really going method?

Speaker 8 Okay.

Speaker 76 In fourth place, not necessarily fourth place.

Speaker 71 This is just, I'm going to start with as the fourth possibility, but I've got four total and you'll decide what order they go in.

Speaker 8 I'm going to kick it off with AOC.

Speaker 8 Okay.

Speaker 51 Her real name is Sandy Ocasio.

Speaker 8 This is.

Speaker 16 what she went by her entire life, Sandy Ocasio.

Speaker 31 And only when she decided to run for office did she decide to suddenly become Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and lean into her Puerto Rican history,

Speaker 80 where her mother was born in Puerto Rico, but her father was born in New York City.

Speaker 10 And she decided to tell us sob stories about how she's from a poor family and she was living, you know, paycheck to paycheck.

Speaker 82 Meanwhile, she was raised in a tony part of Westchester called Yorktown Heights.

Speaker 10 The single family home she grew up in was just sold in 2016 for $355,000.

Speaker 20 So it's not exactly, you know, food stamp central.

Speaker 82 She went to Boston University.

Speaker 21 You know, you hear her tell her story, you'd think she never even went to college, right?

Speaker 41 She was only a bartender.

Speaker 49 No, she went to Boston University and graduated with a BA in international relations and economics and then spent some time as a waitress and a bartender.

Speaker 30 Good for you, virtually everyone in America.

Speaker 8 I mean, literally, raise your hand if if you had a service personnel job. Oh my God, yes.
Right. All of us, all five of us.

Speaker 51 Hello.

Speaker 14 The difference is we don't run around asking for people to pat us on the back because we did it.

Speaker 3 It's called being a normal human.

Speaker 35 When you're young, you take those kinds of jobs.

Speaker 85 And even when you're older, sometimes you do to pay your bills.

Speaker 12 This is called being a normal human, not, oh, woe is me.

Speaker 8 I worked as a waitress.

Speaker 19 And I'll get to some of what she's saying around that.

Speaker 77 But that's her story.

Speaker 10 Now she makes almost $200,000 a year as a U.S.

Speaker 21 Congresswoman and is still pretending that she's on her waitress salary.

Speaker 8 But in any event, here is how she

Speaker 57 normally sounds when she's speaking and not thinking about who's listening or trying to fool anybody.

Speaker 115 When Donald Trump tapped into this idea of make America great again,

Speaker 115 there was times of economic opportunity. Wages rose until the 1970s.

Speaker 31 They should have taught her at Boston University.

Speaker 28 It was were.

Speaker 50 There were times. She was right.

Speaker 71 You got to get that subject-verb agreement.

Speaker 32 I know it's top sandy.

Speaker 111 Work on it.

Speaker 57 That's her, though, sounding relatively normal.

Speaker 44 Relative.

Speaker 12 Then there's a different version that we've heard a lot more of a lot recently.

Speaker 116 I'm proud to be a bartender.

Speaker 116 Ain't nothing wrong with that.

Speaker 72 Ain't nothing wrong.

Speaker 63 I

Speaker 29 know.

Speaker 117 am tired about hearing about how a two-bit union buster thinks of himself as more of a patriot than the woman who fights every single day to lift working people out from under the boots of breed, traveling on our way of life.

Speaker 8 Our way of life.

Speaker 8 All right, so

Speaker 65 you got you got that in mind? Are we you're waiting?

Speaker 81 It's pretty tough to beat.

Speaker 4 It is, but we have contenders.

Speaker 5 All right.

Speaker 8 Now I'm going to go outside of the political realm for this next one.

Speaker 66 You'll know her as soon as you see her, I think.

Speaker 12 Let's play the normal version of the person

Speaker 64 whose name is Hillary, who grew up in a very nice suburb of Boston, going to some Tony Rich school that virtually no one else can afford.

Speaker 15 I think her dad is a dentist,

Speaker 81 but now goes by Hilaria Baldwin.

Speaker 83 Here she is, sounding like her normal self.

Speaker 118 It's not easy. I mean, I think part of it is that I'm in shape before I have a baby and then I stay active when I'm pregnant.
And

Speaker 118 I'm not trying to stay thin. I'm just trying to keep my circulation going and stretching and keep my muscle tone up.

Speaker 11 And then?

Speaker 118 Married life is really nice.

Speaker 8 It feels different.

Speaker 90 You know that.

Speaker 119 So please.

Speaker 90 Leave my family in peace and let this all play out.

Speaker 118 We have

Speaker 8 containing cucumber, cucumbers,

Speaker 60 how do you say?

Speaker 118 We have olive oil and we have some vinegar.

Speaker 17 Vinegar.

Speaker 8 We have some fun vinegar.

Speaker 8 That's so fun.

Speaker 8 She sounds like Penelope Cruz.

Speaker 8 I'm making it tough for you. Cucumber? Yeah.
You're such a fucking hypocrites.

Speaker 17 That's the vinegar.

Speaker 8 Okay.

Speaker 74 So already I'm torn.

Speaker 32 I like, I got to say, just to be honest, I'm not sure who I like better on Best Actress, but we've got other contenders. So, you know, keep an open mind.

Speaker 59 This woman, all over the news these days, the new spokesperson for the Democrat Party, and we all hope the future of it.

Speaker 41 Here is Jasmine Crockett as recently as 2023.

Speaker 17 Again, sounding like a normal person.

Speaker 120 My mind, I'm thinking, I just got to Austin and I had to beat five people to get here. It's a huge responsibility.
You know, the congressional seat is over four times as large as my house seat.

Speaker 8 Kind of cute, excited, optimistic, normal hair, normal eyelashes, and probably normal nails, though they weren't shown in that clip.

Speaker 64 Flash forward to today's day and age, and more recently, and we've done a 180.

Speaker 106 If you could speak directly to Elon Musk, what would you say?

Speaker 8 Fuck off.

Speaker 14 Now, I am tired of the white tears.

Speaker 119 There has been no oppression for the white man in this country.

Speaker 119 That it is white men on this side of the aisle telling us, people of color on this side of the aisle, that y'all are the ones being oppressed.

Speaker 99 If you could tell Donald Trump anything tonight,

Speaker 92 what would you tell him? Stop being Putin's hoe.

Speaker 121 Unfortunately, we had an opportunity to have a woman leave this country, and I promise you she would have led us to the promised land.

Speaker 121 But instead, we got somebody that seems like he wants to take us to hell hell and back again.

Speaker 120 We have someone that is occupying the White House. And as far as I'm concerned, he is an enemy to the United States.

Speaker 119 We are going to be in your face. We are going to be on your asses.
You and your little friend off of Twitter. Y'all about to find out.

Speaker 102 All right.

Speaker 72 Y'all about to find out. All right.

Speaker 58 Do I need to say it again?

Speaker 65 Because I will.

Speaker 93 She sounds absolutely nothing like she used to, you guys. Nothing.

Speaker 60 I mean, that's fake it till you make it. That's how you become the head of the Democrat Party.

Speaker 8 It's absolute fakery.

Speaker 60 I have to confess that I love her.

Speaker 8 I do.

Speaker 60 I just do. I love everything about her.
She's fantastic. The best spokesperson for Democrats.

Speaker 8 Yeah, exactly. Right?

Speaker 45 We do. We need a whole lot more of her.

Speaker 22 It's amazing how she's now like street, right?

Speaker 54 Like, I'm going to whip somebody head.

Speaker 8 Okay, sure.

Speaker 6 We'll look forward to that, Jasmine.

Speaker 8 Okay.

Speaker 51 No segment like this would be complete without our fourth candidate.

Speaker 93 And honestly, she's probably got the inside track, and you'll see why.

Speaker 77 Here she was sounding normal.

Speaker 28 Let's talk about respecting the American people.

Speaker 109 You respect the American people when you tell them the truth. You respect the American people when you have the courage

Speaker 58 to be a leader speaking of those things that you may not want people to hear, but they need to hear.

Speaker 48 Note how she said courage and here, where we had Rs being used properly.

Speaker 4 And yet, when she ran for president, having been passed the baton by Joe Biden, very,

Speaker 19 very different sounding.

Speaker 44 Here it is.

Speaker 122 Have you no empathy, man?

Speaker 8 You know, for

Speaker 122 the suffering of other people.

Speaker 122 Have you no sense of purpose?

Speaker 8 You better thank a union member for sick leave. You better thank a union member.

Speaker 117 You better thank a union member for vacation time.

Speaker 122 You all helped us win in 2020, and we're going to do it again in 2024.

Speaker 8 We go. Hello to all my divine nine brothers and sisters

Speaker 8 and my sorrow.

Speaker 28 This is a margin of error race.

Speaker 5 It's tight.

Speaker 8 I'm going to win. Okay.
I'm going to win.

Speaker 5 But it's tight.

Speaker 8 Weeping may endure for a night.

Speaker 8 but joy cometh in the morning.

Speaker 8 The path may seem hard, the work may seem heavy, but joy cometh in the morning.

Speaker 38 And church morning is on its way.

Speaker 8 Oh, man. That's me Saturday night with a bourbon.

Speaker 8 Come on.

Speaker 60 Have you no decency, mud?

Speaker 8 Come on, you know?

Speaker 8 cool

Speaker 8 reference for the listener. We're going to win.

Speaker 4 Who is going to win this little contest, gentlemen?

Speaker 78 Who's is there a clear number one?

Speaker 60 I mean, I just have such secondhand embarrassment every time you play the second half of those clips. You watch it.

Speaker 8 You pick one, Holmes.

Speaker 35 You can't, you, you have to pick one.

Speaker 60 I mean, I just, for me, the Hilaria,

Speaker 60 what makes her special

Speaker 8 is like they all have this

Speaker 60 beautifully presented juxtaposition. But what makes her special is pretending that she didn't know the word cucumber.

Speaker 8 That is special.

Speaker 60 To me, that's talking about. That's a commitment to the bit.
That's such a commitment to the bit, right? I mean, it's like, no, I don't understand the English language. I'm going to pretend

Speaker 60 that I don't know what a cucumber is.

Speaker 8 Yeah. You said you love Jasmine Crockett.
I love Ilaria. I love her so much.
I love that she tries to sound like Penelope Cruz. It makes me want to buy a Snessna and start running drugs.

Speaker 54 Wait, we're going to come back to Ilaria in one second.

Speaker 59 But I mean, I feel like you might be giving short shrift to Jasmine, right?

Speaker 70 Who's like,

Speaker 63 the 2023 version is so sweet.

Speaker 77 You like her.

Speaker 61 You're like, oh, I see why Houstonians said, yeah, let's send this gal to Congress before she was like, bitch, I will cut you.

Speaker 8 Whoa, wait, what?

Speaker 8 What happened?

Speaker 60 I think, you know, among those selections that you gave us, number one, it overlooks lifetime achievement, Hillary Clinton, who famously, when she goes in the South, all of a sudden is a Southerner.

Speaker 8 Lifetime in those choices,

Speaker 60 three of those people

Speaker 60 are doing it out of political expediency. They're just your standard run-the-milk.
There's

Speaker 60 a lot of points for that, right? Yeah.

Speaker 8 Well, I take way points.

Speaker 60 That's commonplace. In BC, it's a dime a dozen finding someone who's going to lie and just play to the audience to get what they want out of them.
Hilaria Baldwin is just crazy.

Speaker 8 She's doing it for the love of the game. Exactly.

Speaker 8 It's so pure. It comes from a pure place.
It's like, I want to be crazy.

Speaker 8 I'm going to be totally nuts. Yeah.

Speaker 31 You're right. And Alex totally buys in, right?

Speaker 67 Like, he goes on the late night shows. He's like, you know, my wife, she first, she's from Spain.

Speaker 54 She might, she, she's a nickel.

Speaker 8 Literally, she grew up in Boston. Wait, what? She's like,

Speaker 8 definitely not from Spain.

Speaker 93 What are you saying?

Speaker 60 Two Bostonians in this, by the way, which is an interesting. Maybe there's a regional issue there.
Boston University has just got a reputation for putting out horrible people.

Speaker 8 Wait, who's the other Boston?

Speaker 60 I think this is a known thing. Like a lot of people from Boston University, just problems.
Problems, problems, problems.

Speaker 8 It's a known thing.

Speaker 60 You're going to get a hate mail for that.

Speaker 22 Wait, Holmes, who is the other Bostonian?

Speaker 29 Hilaria.

Speaker 60 Oh, no, BU. You've got

Speaker 60 to be

Speaker 83 Alexandria Cortacio Otes.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 60 And I don't think she found that accent until she left Boston, right? I mean, I've seen some clips of her at BU where none of that.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 60 She was like, looked like a sorority girl.

Speaker 8 No.

Speaker 8 Honestly.

Speaker 88 It's like, it's truly like if I were running for mayor of Chicago next year and I'm running around going, top of the morning to you.

Speaker 8 Like

Speaker 8 it's obvious. what you're doing.
Megan's doing that.

Speaker 60 Oh, hey, what's going on? We just got here in Chicago just looking out for the crime on the streets and all that.

Speaker 8 Watching out from the Weebooks.

Speaker 8 Okay.

Speaker 20 Speaking of Illyria, I think we all agree.

Speaker 58 Are we all in agreement that Illyria won or would you guys like to disagree?

Speaker 79 Anybody have any man? It's so hard to disagree with that.

Speaker 60 It is.

Speaker 79 I would say that Kamala deserves special points for doing it on a national stage.

Speaker 60 When you know everyone is watching.

Speaker 13 Right. Yeah.

Speaker 84 And in so many different flavors.

Speaker 8 Right.

Speaker 8 Let's actually give her or do. You know what happens to that?

Speaker 8 It's worth consideration, Megan.

Speaker 60 Is she's got she has a full spectrum of options. Yeah, I mean, you, if you want Jamaican, we got some of that, right? We can go urban, we can go uh

Speaker 60 horse, we can go southern. I mean, there's versatility, but if it's a backed actor, yeah, it's multiple personality disorder.

Speaker 77 No, but like, if you're a Hollywood

Speaker 75 casting agent, dexterity and talent, like if you're if you're casting for SNL, that's you gotta you gotta go with Kamala, she can She can do any bit.

Speaker 3 You know, we can go take it Rastafarian.

Speaker 59 I have even no decency mom, right?

Speaker 8 We can go Latina.

Speaker 39 We can go preacher.

Speaker 66 We can do the black sand.

Speaker 49 Whenever I don't know what she's doing there with her, she goes

Speaker 60 seamlessly transitions from Bob Marley to MLK. It's amazing.

Speaker 8 And you're right.

Speaker 60 There is that accent, it's like her channeling John Ossoff channeling Barack Obama. So it's like a copy of a copy.

Speaker 8 You know, it's a tough third rate.

Speaker 28 all right so while we're on the subject of ilaria she and alec have this this reality tv show it must not be doing well because they're clearly now making a point of doing and saying very weird things to try to get into segments like the one that i'm doing right now and um it's working because they're very strange people and uh the following clip went everywhere we could have raised it earlier in the week but We saved it for our friends from the Variety program.

Speaker 27 And you will see why.

Speaker 60 I've seen one of the loves of her life naked.

Speaker 8 About the love of her life. He was one of the loves of her life.

Speaker 60 We went to go see him on Broadway, and he was naked. We went to go see Take Me Out for the musical that our dear friend Scott Ellis directed.

Speaker 60 And all these baseball players were in the locker room, and they were all turned around naked with their dongs hanging out.

Speaker 8 And I'm at him and he's there, her boyfriend, and I recognize him.

Speaker 60 I'm at him. And when he turns around with his personality hanging out, I'm like, oh, oh,

Speaker 8 oh, okay.

Speaker 8 You hear like a clarinet hanging from his pants.

Speaker 8 The guy literally turns around, you're all like, ah, ah.

Speaker 8 Well,

Speaker 8 we go out into the lobby, we meet them all, and her boyfriend comes in.

Speaker 60 I'm like, hey, how are you doing?

Speaker 58 And I was like, I'm going to stay over here.

Speaker 60 And you can't pay attention to a word he's saying. He's standing right here talking to me.

Speaker 124 I'm sitting there, look at him going, then he's looking at me going, Yeah, you know, the show and this and that. I'm like,

Speaker 8 you have like

Speaker 124 a baseball bath that you stuff into your pants every day. How would that work for you?

Speaker 8 Let's move on from that section. section

Speaker 8 well that's good

Speaker 8 speak currently

Speaker 8 oh man i've actually seen that

Speaker 60 he ends it with saying it had to be said it had to be said

Speaker 31 there's a lot going on there um is dong an appropriate word for the fellow down south in rio i thought that was much more of a dated reference from like 16 candles dong is that still in the vernacular

Speaker 60 you know we've got a lot that we explore on this topic it probably not appropriate for the serious xm uh crowd but we have many nicknames that we could probably share with people dong is a pretty common vernacular but not necessarily one that you would use to describe your wife's ex-boyfriend

Speaker 76 but but in general you're telling me it's still in favor this is good to know how about the personality he referred to it as the personality he turned around with his personality out is that That's got to be a new one.

Speaker 60 That's new to me.

Speaker 60 Also new and I thought innovative was the clarinet.

Speaker 8 That was

Speaker 60 something that was.

Speaker 64 That makes it sound like there's somewhat of a skin problem.

Speaker 8 Also

Speaker 60 alludes to how it was used, perhaps.

Speaker 8 Oh.

Speaker 8 Oh,

Speaker 60 I'm sorry. You know what? This is a classy show.

Speaker 8 Is that right? Sorry.

Speaker 93 What was the last last thing?

Speaker 31 Oh, the baseball bet. The baseball bet.

Speaker 56 Because it really hurt Alec.

Speaker 19 I think that's why that came to mind.

Speaker 111 It really hurt him.

Speaker 8 You don't want to think about it. I don't know.

Speaker 49 Has anyone given a moment's thought to those that came before them with their spouse?

Speaker 19 I don't, I'm not sure.

Speaker 57 This is, maybe it's just because we haven't seen them naked.

Speaker 60 And well, what it's truck, he keeps referring to the guy as her boyfriend, like present tense. And all it did was remind me of President Trump.
What's the name of that dinner that happens in New York?

Speaker 60 Al Smith. Al Smith's dinner, where he was like, I'm talking about the dudes for Kamala.

Speaker 60 You know, they're all voting for Kamala, but that's fine because all their wives and wives' boyfriends are voting for me.

Speaker 8 I'm like, Alec Baldwin, I think he was talking about you.

Speaker 57 I don't know what's going on in that strange relationship, but I do know they're actively seeking attention because they need ratings on their show.

Speaker 28 Okay, I feel like I would be remiss if I did not mention, as we're talking about people who have changed themselves dramatically, in mentioning a Republican controversy today that involves Christy Noam.

Speaker 101 So Christy Noam is our Department of Homeland Security head, as you know.

Speaker 16 She was a controversial pick.

Speaker 4 The reason she wasn't chosen for vice president was probably that ridiculous memoir she wrote confessing to killing her puppy Cricket, who she shot in the face for no reason,

Speaker 46 right after, before she killed their goat.

Speaker 49 And I don't know, like a set of horses.

Speaker 28 No, not really.

Speaker 5 No horses died, just the puppy and the family goat.

Speaker 18 And then the daughter got off the bus and was like, where's Cricket?

Speaker 71 Anyway, there was that.

Speaker 28 There was an alleged affair with Corey Lewandowski, which was reported by the Daily Mail, which we talked about in the show.

Speaker 45 She got probably downgraded off of VP and she got made DHS.

Speaker 19 And I said to this audience, well, I will be rooting for her because that is a very big job.

Speaker 43 And

Speaker 94 what we've seen so far is a lot of photo ops.

Speaker 22 Okay.

Speaker 75 She went on, was it Fox News wearing her like FBI DHS jacket?

Speaker 3 Like she just finished a field operation while she was actually doing the arrests.

Speaker 75 Like that's cosplaying.

Speaker 30 All right. We'll show you that picture when we get it.

Speaker 36 Then we saw her out there rounding up illegals.

Speaker 16 on her horse with her cowboy hat, which I said, all right, I'm going to have to give her a pass on that because she actually was raised on a ranch in South Dakota.

Speaker 28 That's not necessarily cosplaying, right?

Speaker 51 Like that could, but it was obviously a curated photo op that she put together to make sure she look.

Speaker 80 And all this, she's got false eyelashes, heavy eyeliner, the big lips with all the gloss, the heavy blush.

Speaker 37 You know, she's camera ready.

Speaker 42 Like I would be for doing a television hit, but maybe not while I was riding the horses.

Speaker 21 and like capturing illegals.

Speaker 85 And then she went next level last night.

Speaker 54 By the way, this is after she got in trouble for like being a spokesperson for a dental office when she was still the governor of South Dakota and showing off her fake veneers, which she's really proud of, like very obsessed with the new look, which is dramatically different than the old look.

Speaker 63 And then we see her last night

Speaker 35 dropping this video from that El Salvadorian prison.

Speaker 30 Watch.

Speaker 123 I also want everybody to know if you come to our country illegally, this is one of the consequences you could face. First of all, do not come to our country illegally.

Speaker 90 You will be removed and you will be prosecuted.

Speaker 123 But know that this facility is one of the tools in our toolkit that we will use if you commit crimes against the American people.

Speaker 123 Okay.

Speaker 21 Standing behind her in a cage

Speaker 21 are dozens of shirtless prisoners in the El Salvadorian jail, looking kind of scared, confused.

Speaker 72 They're being used as props for her photo op in her skin-tight shirt with her hair perfectly curled and coiffed and again the makeup as she tries to sound tough with these prisoners behind her as her background as like truly her human props in her photo.

Speaker 15 And I'm telling you, you guys, it's fucked up.

Speaker 47 I have no empathy for Venezuelan gang members who wound up in an El Salvadorian jail.

Speaker 31 But this is messed up.

Speaker 76 I mean, truly, like to use them in this way as her backdrop to show us how cool she is and how tough she is is gross and utterly unhelpful to those of us who have been out there arguing that Trump is within his rights to round up these igle eagles in America and send them there with very limited due process.

Speaker 8 Utterly unhelpful.

Speaker 48 So,

Speaker 8 any thoughts on that?

Speaker 60 You know, she's had a tendency in recent years. I mean, she started as a congresswoman from South Dakota, a wonderful cue.
Like, I've got to know her staff and whatnot a little bit on Capitol Hill.

Speaker 60 But in recent years, if she's got a major glaring weakness, it's that she gets out in front in a little too public of a way.

Speaker 60 I mean, one of the things that caught my eye early on in the administration was them deciding that they were going to run a bunch of public service announcements using, you know, taxpayer dollars, but with her basically to camera.

Speaker 60 And I think the challenge for that is you're in Donald Trump's administration and Donald Trump's the star of this show, right? It's, it's not Christy Noam.

Speaker 60 And I think everybody sort of understands that. At least it seems that this administration understands that a lot better than the first time around.

Speaker 60 But but she's kind of getting herself into a territory where it's a little overexposed.

Speaker 60 I mean, everybody knows that Tom Holman is walking around, literally showing up in a different place every day, deporting some incredibly violent gang member somewhere. And he's getting the job done.

Speaker 60 And the best, you know, his only publicity at all is when some journal asks him a horrible question and he just dresses him down and moves on, right? I think that's a better approach.

Speaker 28 I don't remember another DHS secretary showing up for TV hits like this.

Speaker 80 Hold on, we'll put it on the board.

Speaker 57 Like trying to look like, look at her, with the long dangling earrings and the hat and like the jacket.

Speaker 76 This is the whole thing feels like an act.

Speaker 83 And I'm all for women taking over these powerful, tough, important positions, but I'm embarrassed.

Speaker 28 for how she's presenting herself while doing it.

Speaker 41 Like maybe it's time.

Speaker 88 And as you know, like I look, I'm not really in a position to cast stones here from my made-up face at my desk, but I can guarantee you that if I became Secretary of Homeland Security, I would not be laying on the lip gloss, the lashes, and the blush before I started talking about illegals I made sure wound up in El Salvador or cosplaying up with my DHS wear before I went on Fox News.

Speaker 67 This is a deeply insecure person.

Speaker 65 And I'm sorry, but it doesn't, who are we if we only have honest talk for the left?

Speaker 10 This is honest talk from someone who's a Trump supporter that he needs to rein her in because she's becoming an embarrassment.

Speaker 8 It's all a little much, you know, all of the stuff, the ads, that, you know, the video in front of the prison.

Speaker 8 And the reason why, back to Holmes's point, is like, it seems sort of excessive and spiking the football. And you're getting out ahead of the Trump administration.

Speaker 8 Let Donald Trump talk about how he wants to talk about the El Salvadorian.

Speaker 60 And by the way, there's ongoing. Right.

Speaker 8 Litigation.

Speaker 60 Litigation over exactly what it is that she's talking about there. I mean, that guarantee you.
I guarantee you will be entered as an exhibit in that courtroom.

Speaker 8 The one thing I would say in her defense, the one thing I would say in her defense is like the PSAs, if it gets people to self-deport, fantastic.

Speaker 8 If that video, you know, in front of those criminals gets less migrants to try to cross the border and smuggle drugs

Speaker 8 into this country, good.

Speaker 18 I take your point.

Speaker 27 I see that.

Speaker 45 Now, actually,

Speaker 33 in her defense, when she put that out last night, it's getting way more likes than it is getting criticism.

Speaker 12 And most of the people criticizing it are like on the left and against this policy to begin with.

Speaker 26 So I think I'm in a unique spot because I actually support this policy and I want more illegal gang members deported to El Salvador.

Speaker 111 However,

Speaker 46 The way to convince Judge Bozberg, who will be the ultimate trier fact on this, that we're not winning this fight right now.

Speaker 22 We just lost to the Court of Appeals, and the Supreme Court may not take it immediately.

Speaker 56 So, Judge Brozberg is in control at the moment, is really not to give him more reasons to suspect what kind of treatment they're going to have down in El Salvador.

Speaker 64 And to take them and make them look like little lab rats behind prison bars, looking dazed and confused and shirtless as she stands there totally glammed to the nines, is a bad fucking move.

Speaker 76 I can say this as a lawyer.

Speaker 3 This is not what you'd want introduced into the record, Christy.

Speaker 21 And what should have been done, Duncan, to your point on deterrence is

Speaker 36 let's stick with the video we have that's already out there of the prisoners being processed.

Speaker 49 It's bad enough, frankly, of them bent over and being like,

Speaker 10 you know, put assembly line as they get checked out and yeah, and put into the prison.

Speaker 73 Like I'm not really that comfortable with that, but it's fine.

Speaker 41 Like these are gang members.

Speaker 20 These are fucking people who killed Americans.

Speaker 28 So, you know, Crime A river, some of them.

Speaker 51 But there is a debate about who got in there that shouldn't have.

Speaker 64 There were two mistakes made.

Speaker 4 A woman got in and she was sent back home.

Speaker 49 A guy from Nicaragua, who clearly is not a Venezuelan gang member, got in and he was sent back home.

Speaker 56 Anyway, I'm just saying, right now, we're debating over how much due process they should get while we figure out whether they really are Trenda Aragua and whether we should have shipped them to this prison.

Speaker 42 And

Speaker 20 shots of them looking, maybe it's for the camera, whatever, but like scared and disoriented and a little shell shocked aren't helpful okay

Speaker 8 that's my that's my take on the matter um feel free to disagree my audience often does with me but that's what we love about each other megan at megankelly.com can we take one second to be yeah yeah yeah yeah go ahead smoke the the the not the voice of rationality like you have been i support it

Speaker 60 i support it that's good i like i know it's a bad take but i like it and i support it all the democrats at their debate raised their hands and said i'll give illegals free health care you know if you have an attractive woman, it gets more eyes online.

Speaker 60 And what they're going to see is, shoot, if I try to enter the country illegally, I'm going to end up in this cage with a bunch of terrible people and that doesn't look fun.

Speaker 60 I know it's absolutely bad for the legal system. And I'm counting on the Supreme Court to hurry up and do its job and help us out there.
We can make bad decisions along the way.

Speaker 8 We can have a little bit of fun.

Speaker 60 Our resident nihilist.

Speaker 8 He's the devil on the bottom. It's funny because I'm really against these people.

Speaker 20 And I trust in Tom Homan's ability to figure out whether they're Venezuelan gang members.

Speaker 10 I really do.

Speaker 41 He is not running around willy-nilly, just picking random Hispanics as the left would have you believe.

Speaker 8 Right. But

Speaker 62 it's another thing to put that on display and ask Americans to be like, all right, sure, I'm fine with zero due process before we do that.

Speaker 88 Right.

Speaker 22 Like, because that's really what Trump is asking for under the Alien Enemies Act.

Speaker 26 And look, I've defended it, defended it repeatedly on the show, but

Speaker 28 I just feel like, I don't know, maybe it's a woman thing, you know, maybe I'm too soft, but I,

Speaker 36 for me, that was too much.

Speaker 31 It was like,

Speaker 5 you look like you're on the backs of people who are in a lot of trouble.

Speaker 49 We understand that.

Speaker 36 And most of us are okay with them having to sort that out, but you look like you're trying to make it into a photo op about you looking tough as opposed to a serious and sober legal issue that we're really regretful we have to deal with, but we do have to deal with thanks to Joe Biden.

Speaker 10 And you should not look like this is a fun thing for you to do and you're going to wear your skin tight shirt and go down there and try to look hot and threatening.

Speaker 28 I just, it's to me is a big turn off.

Speaker 20 Okay, sorry, stole the last word, but I appreciate the disagreement and keep them coming.

Speaker 45 All right, stand by, quick break more after this.

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Speaker 43 So, Hack Madness is a play on March Madness, and I liked the top four,

Speaker 76 your number one seeds.

Speaker 18 This is for hacks in the media.

Speaker 57 As I understand it, correct me if I'm wrong, are Nicole Wallace, Eugene Daniels of Politico, but now he's got a show on MSNBC,

Speaker 11 Nora O'Donnell, and Margaret Brennan.

Speaker 65 I like it.

Speaker 45 I like it a lot.

Speaker 60 Big year for CBS.

Speaker 60 I mean, Smug is our resident bracketologist here. We all put a lot of work into the seedings this year.

Speaker 60 This is our fifth annual, Megan. And every year, it's a body of work, right?

Speaker 60 You got to do a lot of things throughout a calendar year in order to qualify for the tournament. And then we seed you appropriately on how we thought you did throughout the year.

Speaker 60 And that's the thing is, so, I mean, it starts with 66. We have two playing games.
We're talking about it's the same size as March Madness. There are 64 hacks that are going head to head.

Speaker 60 It gets voted on online on X. It's huge.
I mean, we've so far had, you know, throughout the history of these over 10 million votes cast.

Speaker 60 So, I mean, it's bigger than some congressional races in terms of the number of race votes that go into this. But also, it's so great because I tag every single one of these hacks.

Speaker 60 I at them on X every single time. And very frequently, I get blocked.
They start tweeting about how mad they are. They're like, I'm so unbiased.

Speaker 60 And then without fail, they get all these replies of screenshots of like Russia gate nonsense and everything else.

Speaker 60 But like Holmes said, it's their previous year's body of work that goes into deciding it. And I think to me, the story of this year is that two

Speaker 60 CBS people got the number one seat in each of their divisions. Further, they were the two who also managed a vice president debate.
Like, this has to stop too. Yeah, it's really remarkable.

Speaker 104 Yeah.

Speaker 45 this is like that trans movie about the Colombian guy who wanted to be trans and they got all the nominations.

Speaker 57 That's CBS right now.

Speaker 17 They got all the nominations.

Speaker 67 But I do, I mean, I have one bone to pick because it seems that the latest matchup has this Eugene Daniels up against Don Lemon, who's only an eight seed.

Speaker 27 What kind of disrespect is that to Don Lemon's hacking?

Speaker 8 This is very, very, very important, Megan. We have a proprietary methodology.
In college basketball, Ken Pomeroy has this Ken Palm, which he uses as like a quotient to rank basketball teams.

Speaker 8 We have this methodology that includes everything from like how liberal they are,

Speaker 8 how crazy they are, how much of a liar they are, and then exposure. And like Don Lemon dropped in the seating because his quotient and exposure has gone down a little.

Speaker 60 He's been fired twice.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 36 I've never seen Duncan this animated about any other subject.

Speaker 94 that we've ever discussed with him.

Speaker 8 I put a lot of thought into this.

Speaker 79 It included

Speaker 8 a lot of work. It included a lot of numbers.

Speaker 8 I might be on the spectrum.

Speaker 56 Now, is it going to be, is it like the NCAA March Madness where we've learned this year, there's no more Cinderella stories because it's basically because we're allowing the athletes to make money and so they can switch to schools and they're leaving their small schools and they're all going to the big schools.

Speaker 52 Good comparison.

Speaker 58 So is that what's happening in Hack Madness too?

Speaker 53 Or could there be a sleeper surprise?

Speaker 76 Like I would say Eugene Daniel's kind of a sleeper surprise.

Speaker 12 Most people, not a household name.

Speaker 60 No, not a household name. I mean, there's an inherent bias as we've done this over five years for people who are on TV, they're recognizable.

Speaker 60 All the crazy stuff that they've done is visual, so people can actually see it.

Speaker 60 There's an inherent bias against print, whose body of work, might I say, is extraordinary, but they don't get the kind of representation that's necessary

Speaker 60 to make it all the way to the final four in this kind of thing. We're hoping that that sort of works its way out a little bit, but there's only like six print journalists left after one round.

Speaker 60 So, yeah, I mean, this is you know, household names go a long way.

Speaker 79 And there were some newcomers that went down really hard in the first round.

Speaker 79 And I'm telling you, I mean, as much as some of these people have tried their best, they are not going to overcome Margaret Brennan. She has done yeoman's work building towards this championship.

Speaker 79 And I don't think she's going to be denied this year.

Speaker 60 A real powerhouse.

Speaker 67 Wait, what?

Speaker 59 What, did Jeffrey Goldberg even make the dance?

Speaker 32 He was probably not even on your radar.

Speaker 8 No, he was a bubble team. He was a bubble team.

Speaker 60 He was a bubble team, but it happened. All of this happened a week after the bracket came out.

Speaker 8 And so, sorry, sir.

Speaker 51 Sorry. Late,

Speaker 60 he could have been, you know, in terms of what he's done lately, yeah, a serious contender.

Speaker 71 After that,

Speaker 17 he played at the top of the show.

Speaker 51 I could have elevated him a couple of seeds at least.

Speaker 8 I know.

Speaker 60 We have some upset.

Speaker 8 This is breaking news because the next round of Hack Madness is currently live. Voting is now on X.

Speaker 60 Everyone visits Comfortably Smug.

Speaker 51 Can people still get in on this, you guys? Or is it two-way

Speaker 8 against AAA?

Speaker 8 Well, where do they go?

Speaker 60 Well, Eugene, you vote at Comfortably Smug on X. I have it pinned right on my profile.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I mean, Eugene Daniels right now is losing to Don Lemon.

Speaker 8 He's a one seed. Don Lemon's an eight seed.

Speaker 60 Upset. Saboteur.

Speaker 8 Arena Navarro is beating Chris Hayes. Oh, that's right now.
Oh, it's very surprising.

Speaker 8 Keith Olberman is beating Sonny Hostin. She was a two-seed.

Speaker 60 Boy, she did a lot of work this year. The view is really like the power of the view has really started to wane.
Yeah. Well, and Joy,

Speaker 60 what's her name got from the view? Yeah, got knocked out? Joy.

Speaker 8 Joy Behart. Joy Behart.

Speaker 64 What about Joy? What'd you do with Joy Reed?

Speaker 8 Because now no visibility, but I mean, but it's a body up on the hackery scale.

Speaker 60 Body of work throughout the year, right? She had that kind of visibility throughout a calendar year, and so she richly deserved it.

Speaker 8 Well, and it's paying off for Anna Navarro, right? Because in addition to like that, she's also going on like Bill Maher and she's on CNN a lot.

Speaker 8 And so all that visibility means she's going to make a long run here in the tournament.

Speaker 60 All to crown the biggest hack in all of political reporting.

Speaker 40 Who did you guys pick?

Speaker 32 You know how we have to pick our number one.

Speaker 56 This year I went with Duke for all sorts of reasons on the other bracket, which is completely collapsed, by the way, my bracket.

Speaker 10 But who do you guys have for number one?

Speaker 21 Did you all pick different people?

Speaker 60 I think we might have picked different people. I will say I had three CBS

Speaker 60 people in my final four, but I ultimately ended up going with Nicole Wallace. I thought her making fun of the kid at the State of the Union thing.
Oh, very good. It's just

Speaker 60 a recency bias, perhaps, but sometimes that propels a team.

Speaker 8 I mean, I have to go farther.

Speaker 60 Brendan, I just, I, I, she goes in day in, day out with the hackery. It started her like Cinderella run started at that VP debate.

Speaker 60 And then you saw things as recent as when she tried to go after Marco Rubio on Sunday. Like, she keeps at it week after week with the hackery.
Humiliation finish.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I'm with Smug on this. I, I'm counting on America's love of JD Vance, America's love of memes, and America's hatred of Margaret.
Margaret. You know, I don't really care, Margaret.

Speaker 8 I don't care, Margaret.

Speaker 60 It was just huge moment. Yeah.

Speaker 79 I'm also a big believer in Margaret Brennan this year.

Speaker 8 You know, this tournament.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I did.

Speaker 79 I believe because this tournament is about the big moments, like what she did in the debate. It's also about doing, you know, what you're doing when nobody else is watching.

Speaker 8 That's her show. Nobody watches her show.

Speaker 79 But in the big moments, you know, when like Marco Rubio dunks on her or JD Vance dunks on her, that's on X. People see it.
She's performing well then, too.

Speaker 81 So I'm telling you, I think this is hers to to lose yeah who was it um which which blonde news anchor was it who said to jd like only two only a couple a few apartment buildings have been taken over by the venezuelan gangs who was that steve was it it might have been martha rattitz yeah it was it was martha raditz we didn't see she should get an honorable mention in there yeah that was like a you know

Speaker 24 but she was a bubble

Speaker 17 the exposure's low yeah she could be a bubble exposure yeah i mean colon the mayor

Speaker 78 marr she got in there super late, you know, media executive.

Speaker 15 God, if she had just had this testimony, what might have been?

Speaker 12 In any event,

Speaker 8 I will tell you,

Speaker 60 Megan, there's one really special Cinderella story in this year's tournament.

Speaker 60 A former champion who had not made the bracket for a couple of years due to an unfortunate employment situation has made a return and is now working his way through the bracket, the potato himself, Brian Stelter.

Speaker 60 Such a story. Gets fired by CNN, begs his way back.

Speaker 8 Yeah. I mean, it's crazy.
Fighter.

Speaker 79 It's what's built this country.

Speaker 22 How can you root against him?

Speaker 19 I can only imagine the halftime speech he's giving the rest of the team.

Speaker 44 Great.

Speaker 52 While we're on the subject of actresses and awards and hacks, do we have a moment for Rachel Zegler and Snow White?

Speaker 50 Because there is an update in that story today.

Speaker 31 There was an in-depth piece, like a behind-the-scenes piece.

Speaker 27 Was it Variety?

Speaker 13 Talking about how

Speaker 13 they've been in a full meltdown about this girl for a couple of years now and how they had her tweet out like a little, yay, Snow White, can't wait, so excited.

Speaker 41 I love to play her.

Speaker 88 And she did it and got like millions of views.

Speaker 104 And they were like, good job, Rachel.

Speaker 84 And then she, like, minutes later, followed it up with, and never forget, free Palestine.

Speaker 8 This is just like a few months after 10.7.

Speaker 81 It was like, it hadn't even been a year.

Speaker 46 And they were like,

Speaker 69 my God, what?

Speaker 60 And isn't her co-star Jewish?

Speaker 18 Yes. Yes, Gal

Speaker 12 Godot, Godot.

Speaker 8 What about us? I mean,

Speaker 8 wow.

Speaker 88 She's Jewish.

Speaker 22 And apparently, this actually,

Speaker 25 all hell broke loose.

Speaker 48 Gal started getting death threats.

Speaker 46 She's Israeli

Speaker 21 and I think served in the IDF.

Speaker 36 They tried, they flew an executive, one of the producers, out to go visit personally with Rachel Zegler to say, could you please take that down?

Speaker 66 Because we understand you can have your political views, but those aren't really helpful while you're trying to build an audience for a movie.

Speaker 59 Maybe you can save them for like your diary and your friends, but like, maybe not.

Speaker 15 Maybe just take the tweet down.

Speaker 81 And she wouldn't.

Speaker 76 And then they had to hire a special media consultant for her to follow her around all the time and make sure she didn't continue shitting on Snow White and the Prince and Young Love and Women Who Want to Get Married and Steven Spielberg, the executive producer of her previous movie, and white people who

Speaker 36 she claims wanted to know if she was really a Latina on her first movie.

Speaker 78 Like, the list was really long.

Speaker 49 And then the son of that producer who got on the plane to go over and say, would you please, for the love of God, take this down?

Speaker 21 And she wouldn't, was all on Instagram yesterday.

Speaker 88 admitting it all.

Speaker 38 The variety report being like, of course, what would you do when you have this narcissistic nightmare trying to ruin a film that you've put hundreds of millions of dollars into that's employing all these working class people.

Speaker 69 She refused to keep her fat mouth shut.

Speaker 54 It was a great spilling of the tea.

Speaker 8 And yeah.

Speaker 59 So I don't think she's in the running toward the real Academy Awards.

Speaker 57 She wasn't, right?

Speaker 10 She was not nominated for this past year because the film hadn't come out.

Speaker 67 But you tell me you're, you know, you're not Hollywood guys, but you are political oddsmen.

Speaker 82 So what do you think the odds are of this person working ever again?

Speaker 60 I don't know. Doesn't it seem like it's almost a prerequisite in Hollywood? I mean, maybe things have changed a little bit.

Speaker 8 They are, didn't they?

Speaker 60 Megan, tell me, isn't this the one where they actually took the dwarves out of the seven dwarves?

Speaker 51 Yes, we have CGI dwarves now.

Speaker 60 Okay, yeah, yeah, because little people didn't need jobs either. Yeah, but it's Peter Dinklage wanted the whole field to himself and went out there and was like,

Speaker 27 unless it's me.

Speaker 8 He kicked the ladder. Yeah, he got the ladder.
He's got a body in Hollywood.

Speaker 52 Now he's like, oh, nicely Nicely done, Smug. The ladder.

Speaker 8 That was nicely done.

Speaker 94 That was low.

Speaker 60 No, but I mean, he got his money acting as a little person. Now he's saying it's demeaning for them to have those roles.

Speaker 60 He acted as a dwarf on like the most popular show on TV for 10 years, made millions of dollars. Now he's like, how dare people hire dwarves to act as dwarves? It's ridiculous.

Speaker 60 He got his money and they kicked the ladder down behind him.

Speaker 8 The thing that really shocks me about this story, you know, Disney and all these media companies, they invest hundreds of millions of dollars into into these projects, right?

Speaker 8 Have they ever thought about maybe like a little bit of like, I don't know, vulnerability study, opposition research, that sort of thing, before you go and hire some Zoomer who's a lunatic?

Speaker 60 Yeah, but they're all lunatic.

Speaker 95 I mean,

Speaker 60 how many people in Hollywood, maybe not to this extent, but how many people do you hear about actors you love? You love what?

Speaker 8 Look at Robert De Niro.

Speaker 60 I love like basically every movie he's ever done. Every time that guy opens his mouth as a private citizen, I'm like, oh my God, you can't possibly believe that.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 8 So it's like, if you're trying to vulnerability study it,

Speaker 60 where do you start? Yeah.

Speaker 8 I don't think they're all this bad.

Speaker 64 I think so. I think most young ingenuous can be scared into just being quiet until the movie comes out.

Speaker 28 At least, like, please give the movie a chance, understanding that Republicans buy sneakers too, you know, to quote Michael Jordan.

Speaker 80 Like, just

Speaker 60 give it a few actors now that are not, are less afraid of sort of showing their conservatives. It's also a generational thing.
I mean, her generation has basically

Speaker 60 grown up being told every opinion you have, post it online, share it with the world. You're the most special person.

Speaker 8 The world revolves around you.

Speaker 60 Everyone has to change to fit your beliefs because you're so special and you're so important and everything you say is validated and that's your truth. And that's not going away anytime soon.

Speaker 60 The other problem is. Disney keeps doing this shit.
Yeah. They don't care how many times they lose money.
I mean, this is they're going to learn a lesson on this one, though. I don't think so.

Speaker 60 I I mean, they're projected to lose between two and 400 million on this.

Speaker 8 I mean, they're still not going to

Speaker 8 learn their lesson.

Speaker 79 About a third of what Democrats lost on Kamala Harris. And I will tell you that I think that this woman will be the governor of California.
I think she is going to run.

Speaker 79 And I think that Californians are looking for a step up from Gavin Newsom. And I think they found their candidate.

Speaker 60 I think she's going to be the governor.

Speaker 8 Maybe a formidable

Speaker 60 voice of the left.

Speaker 3 Here's some good news.

Speaker 56 Speaking of the woke wars, Anheuser-Busch declines for the first time in over 30 years to sponsor the Pride Fest parade in St. Louis.

Speaker 31 They will not, that's Bud Light learning its lesson.

Speaker 57 They won't sponsor the Pride Fest, and several other companies are saying, we're out.

Speaker 36 This LGBTQ Pride Fest is now openly complaining, saying, we don't understand.

Speaker 51 DEI is somehow becoming a bad word.

Speaker 64 We need these partners.

Speaker 12 We need them now more than ever.

Speaker 31 And they've lost hundreds of thousands of dollars as various companies refuse to pitch in, including reportedly,

Speaker 64 according to the New York Times, Booz Allen Hamilton, Deloitte, Comcast,

Speaker 57 an auto dealership group, Darkars, and then there's Bud Light all saying, Not interested.

Speaker 80 This is a huge victory in an important battle that we've all been fighting.

Speaker 34 Will it continue, guys? What do you think?

Speaker 60 Yeah, I do think it will continue at least for a while. I mean, all of these companies are ultimately in the business of making money and providing value to shareholders.

Speaker 60 And you look at election results and for the first time, they're not talking to just a far-left shakedown artist. They're looking at the American people and they want to change it.

Speaker 57 It's wonderful to see that they're learning their lesson.

Speaker 8 Go ahead, Ashbrook. You got 30.

Speaker 79 I was just going to say, I grew up in a very small town. We had a 4th of July parade every year, and I don't remember giant corporate sponsors coming in to make people turn out for that.

Speaker 79 So I'm guessing if this parade is as popular as that one, then maybe people will still show.

Speaker 10 Yeah, they can make it happen without all these corporate dollars.

Speaker 56 And these corporate corporations are looking at people like Chris Ruffo and Robbie Starbuck, who's been doing such a good job of shaming them for continuing DEI policies that are divisive and racist and sexist.

Speaker 25 And we've all got our eyes on them now.

Speaker 41 They know they have real skin in this game.

Speaker 28 They will not be universally praised.

Speaker 6 They will be publicly humiliated with their core audience, like Bud Light was.

Speaker 22 So I love it.

Speaker 48 It's progress.

Speaker 71 Great to see you, fellas.

Speaker 60 Great to see you, Megan. Thank you.
Thank you so much.

Speaker 8 Thanks for having us.

Speaker 45 All right. We'll be back tomorrow with Halperin and the morning meeting crew.

Speaker 28 See you then.

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