Arrested For Posts, Epstein Victims Speak, and Sick Trump Health Reactions, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Greg Lukianoff

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Speaker 9 Welcome to the Megan Kelly Show, live on SiriusXM Channel 111 every weekday at Noon East.

Speaker 13 Hey, everyone, I'm Megan Kelly.

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Speaker 17 We have alleged Jeffrey Epstein victims speaking out in DC this morning along with a bipartisan group of legislators, including Rokana and MTG.

Speaker 21 This comes as the House Oversight Committee releases tens of thousands of documents related to the case, but is there anything new in these documents that they receive from the DOJ?

Speaker 26 Let me just start by saying this.

Speaker 27 I've got my doubts.

Speaker 21 This is the House Oversight Committee subpoenaing the DOJ,

Speaker 16 and neither of these groups has any

Speaker 16 motivation, any real interest in doing anything to upset Donald Trump, who wants this thing over.

Speaker 35 So to me, I've got to be honest, it seems like fig leaf a mania by everyone other than that Massey Rokana effort, which is a, which is a separate thing.

Speaker 40 So you've got the House Oversight Committee subpoenaing the DOJ for all of its Epstein documents, and they do a $30,000 document dump, which so far looks like there's some stuff that may be mildly interesting, but people who know the case really well are saying this is all old, which seems like what the DOJ would do because they're not going to give anything to House oversight that they actually think is probative since they've already told us that allegedly there isn't anything and they're not interested in producing anything.

Speaker 23 So let me tell you, as a lawyer involved in many litigations over the course of my professional life, it's easy to generate thousands of documents that are technically responsive to a subpoena while withholding the ones you don't want to produce, especially when it's a friendly, it's a Republican-controlled committee.

Speaker 17 They're not actually going to go after Bondi or Team Trump for not giving the goods.

Speaker 23 So I have very low expectations on this.

Speaker 46 A couple of things have come out.

Speaker 42 We're like, oh, that's kind of interesting, but

Speaker 47 mild, mild.

Speaker 48 I don't have high hopes.

Speaker 42 But then you got this separate effort by Massey, who has become a Trump antagonist, and Rokana, who's a Dem, who are trying to actually get, you know, real documents.

Speaker 16 And MTG, who she loves Trump, but she's not a sycophant. As you know, you saw her here.

Speaker 8 She'll criticize the administration.

Speaker 23 trying to actually speak with Epstein victims and what they're saying now this morning at a presser that Massey held.

Speaker 18 So that lane is kind of interesting to me and we'll continue to watch both and bring you whatever news is coming, but just setting realistic expectations.

Speaker 52 All right, but we are going to begin today with a case from across the pond that shows just how dangerous the battle over free speech has become.

Speaker 14 And by the way, you do need to pay attention to what's happening in the UK because it does affect Americans now, and I'll explain in a minute how.

Speaker 30 All right, over in in the UK, comedy writer, I mean, this guy's like the god of comedy writers over there.

Speaker 27 He's written some of, if not their most popular comedy shows in the UK.

Speaker 55 His name is Graham Linehan, and he was arrested at Heathrow Airport, met by five, count him five armed officers.

Speaker 4 And as you may know, in the UK, most of the officers are not armed with firearms, but these guys were. Why?

Speaker 62 Because they had to take down this comedian who sent out three mean tweets.

Speaker 54 I am not kidding.

Speaker 63 Three mean tweets got him arrested by five armed guards before he barely stepped

Speaker 17 onto British ground, getting off of the plane from America.

Speaker 8 He's, I actually don't know his citizenship.

Speaker 21 I think he's a British citizen, but he was over here.

Speaker 22 And he had to go back there because he was already on trial for allegedly taking the phone of this tranny activist who was harassing women speaking up for their own rights.

Speaker 15 He allegedly took the phone.

Speaker 65 So he got, he got criminally charged. The tranny didn't get charged with criminal harassment, just he did.

Speaker 36 And he had to go back over there to stay on trial.

Speaker 67 When his plane landed, he got off the plane, he got arrested for three mean tweets.

Speaker 38 In the wake of his arrest, he was slapped with what he calls a legal gag order in the UK, a country where critics say sweeping speech laws punish everything from online jokes to private prayer.

Speaker 21 That gag order said he wasn't even allowed to speak about the charges slapped against him.

Speaker 71 Can you believe this?

Speaker 20 Now, he has a court date later this week, and after that court date, his first on-camera interview will be right here with the Megan Kelly Show.

Speaker 11 And we look forward to bringing that to you exclusively.

Speaker 15 So, I want to talk about this case, and then I want to talk about what's happening, not just in the UK, but in the European Union, because they've just passed this sweeping law that's going to affect all of our social media companies and all of us.

Speaker 8 Have you been noticing more and more when you're on your iPhone, you have to accept cookies or deny cookies?

Speaker 60 That's in large part due to what they're doing in the EU.

Speaker 21 What they do online with their sweeping anti-free speech laws laws will affect your life.

Speaker 25 So listen up because as goes the life of the Graham Linemans in the world, so goes your life potentially.

Speaker 10 And we need to, sorry, Linehan, need to pay attention.

Speaker 11 All right, joining me now to talk more about it is Greg Lukianoff.

Speaker 58 He's president and CEO of FIRE, the foundation for individual rights and expression.

Speaker 76 He's also the co-author of the new book, War on Words, 10 Arguments Against Free Speech and Why They Fail.

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Speaker 20 Greg, welcome back. Great to have you.

Speaker 80 Great to see you again, Megan.

Speaker 22 This is getting crazy.

Speaker 69 I realize there's no First Amendment in the UK, but you know, we're kind of of them.

Speaker 14 You know, we've got like a toe still that connects us very much to them.

Speaker 19 We're all supposed to be part of the modern West and have like shared values.

Speaker 25 And literally, all Graham did was send out three tweets.

Speaker 22 I'm going to tell you what they are.

Speaker 16 You probably already already know, but we'll bring this audience up to speed that just got him arrested for offensive speech in the UK.

Speaker 16 One, April 19th, showed a picture of a trans rights rally and captioned it, a photo you can smell.

Speaker 27 Two, April 19th, in a reply to the picture and a follow-up, he writes, I hate them, misogynists and homophobes.

Speaker 81 F them.

Speaker 21 And number three, on April 20th, he writes, if a trans-identified male is in a female-only space, he is committing a violent abusive act.

Speaker 30 Make a scene, call the cops, and if all else fails, punch him in the balls. That's it.

Speaker 21 And this in the UK can get you arrested with five-armed guards, and God only knows what the potential punishment will be if Graham does not prevail in this case.

Speaker 48 Your thoughts on it all, Greg?

Speaker 80 Well, I think I'm going to say something that might surprise you.

Speaker 80 Actually, it's good that they arrested him because it's making people aware of how insane the law has gotten in the UK and honestly the rest of the so-called free world at this point.

Speaker 80 America at this point is truly alone in protecting free speech

Speaker 80 as passionately as we do. And thank goodness we have the First Amendment.
Because of course, the unfree world is a nightmare.

Speaker 80 They've been using AI in Iran. and China to bring a whole new level of dystopia.

Speaker 80 But in the European Union, in the UK, in Canada, in Australia, the situation for free speech is getting more and more desperate.

Speaker 80 I mean, just to put this in perspective, about 2,000 people were arrested per year in the first Red Scare, which was 1919 and 1920.

Speaker 80 12,000 people approximately have been arrested this year in the UK. alone.
And they're half our population at the time of the Red Scare.

Speaker 80 So we're talking about a genuine free speech crisis that when you go to Britain still, and my mom's British, so this was literally very, very close to home.

Speaker 80 They used to laugh at us about our political correctness in the United States. But now they'll be like, oh, well, yeah, it was rude.
It's like, are you insane?

Speaker 80 And the funny thing is they're doing this to route out fascism, you know, in their own minds. It's kind of like, hmm.

Speaker 77 Yeah, they are.

Speaker 4 They.

Speaker 65 They're dangerous.

Speaker 52 They're genuinely dangerous.

Speaker 26 Like, I'm not sure where this goes, how much more radical radical they can get.

Speaker 23 They're arresting people who are silently praying outside of abortion clinics.

Speaker 8 They're really hot on the trans issue.

Speaker 23 You cannot say anything about trans activism, trans activists,

Speaker 58 the gender issue.

Speaker 38 You know, you have to be completely woke and politically correct on it.

Speaker 18 Or you can wind up like Graham.

Speaker 71 Graham, I mean, this is a celebrity.

Speaker 21 He is a celebrity over there who is very well known for these hits.

Speaker 10 And of course, our comics, he's a comedy writer, tend to be, in many cases, amongst the greatest geniuses.

Speaker 21 Really, they see the scenes and the story.

Speaker 32 They're our most important cultural commentators.

Speaker 13 They come to these issues before many of us do, and they're important for that reason alone.

Speaker 58 He actually gave an interview to Jordan Peterson a year ago or so.

Speaker 18 It was December of 2024, and spoke about being canceled because he's been very hot on the trans issue.

Speaker 23 Here's a bit of that in Sat 1.

Speaker 84 I always think of that Muhammad Ali line where he said, you know,

Speaker 84 the Vietnamese never called me no N-word. And I feel the same way about the left.
You know, the right never called meot.

Speaker 4 Right, right, right.

Speaker 84 And they called me a bigot for

Speaker 84 basic things like saying, hey, you shouldn't be cutting the breasts off little girls.

Speaker 88 You shouldn't be.

Speaker 6 Yep, there's one non-hate crime incident.

Speaker 6 We can keep piling them up.

Speaker 84 There shouldn't be men in women's prisons.

Speaker 84 It's actually against the Geneva Convention to put men in women's prison.

Speaker 8 Okay, so he's speaking complete sense, Greg.

Speaker 26 Complete sense.

Speaker 23 It's not even like here in America, we always talk about how you have to find the least popular speech, the most provocative and unpopular, and that's the stuff we need to zero in on protecting.

Speaker 21 What he's saying over there is actually factual statements.

Speaker 42 Now, the one statement about kick them in the balls, okay, that's a little bit more provocative than his other statements.

Speaker 81 But I mean, that wouldn't even come close to being censorable speech here in America.

Speaker 80 No, that's nowhere near the line when it comes to First Amendment.

Speaker 80 I mean, basically, the argument is that it's incitement, you know, and that's literally like when you're standing outside the mayor's office with a torch-wielding mob being like, let's go burn down the mayor's office.

Speaker 80 Like the idea of like theoretically in this circumstance, if there's a man in a woman's dressing room that you should, if all else fails, punch him in the balls is rightfully protected in the United States.

Speaker 80 And this has been going on. I mean, the scale of this is just absolutely astounding.

Speaker 80 And it's been hard to get people to really pay attention to how bad it's gotten in the United States, or for that matter, not in the United States, in the UK.

Speaker 80 And

Speaker 80 we were done a real favor, actually, by 60 Minutes, because they did actually a piece on how bad it's gotten in Germany as well. We showed it.

Speaker 71 60 Minutes loves it.

Speaker 80 Yeah. Oh,

Speaker 80 the host did seem to kind of be like, oh, this makes sense.

Speaker 80 And they show morning raids of these

Speaker 80 speakers.

Speaker 80 And they gave one example of like a German called a politician a penis,

Speaker 80 and that got him arrested. It's like, okay, so you can't insult politicians anymore? And they actually

Speaker 8 and why in the United States of America. I mean, you know, everybody would be under arrest if you couldn't say negative.

Speaker 80 Part of being a free person is you can pick on your politicians.

Speaker 46 Well, speaking of politicians in the UK, J.D.

Speaker 34 Vance went over there and spoke at the Munich Security Conference in February and really was very frank with our European friends about where things are going there.

Speaker 23 And there was very negative leftist reaction at home to what he was saying.

Speaker 25 Like, oh, how dare he lecture them?

Speaker 16 Who does he think he is?

Speaker 50 He was spot on.

Speaker 23 And I'm going to show this soundbite, but I hope people will listen to this thinking about what just happened to Graham and to many others.

Speaker 16 I'm going to get into what's happening beyond Graham, but watch this.

Speaker 92 The Scottish government began distributing letters to citizens whose houses lay within so-called safe access zones, warning them that even private prayer within their own homes may amount to breaking the law.

Speaker 92 Naturally, the government urged readers to report any fellow citizens suspected guilty of thought crime. In Britain and across Europe, free speech, I fear, is in retreat.

Speaker 77 I mean, that to put it mildly, you've got Adam Smith Connor.

Speaker 35 He's an Army vet who was fined nearly $13,000 for silently praying near an abortion clinic over there.

Speaker 78 Lucy Connolly is one many have cited over there.

Speaker 60 She was sentenced to 31 months in prison for calling for deportations of illegal immigrants on X.

Speaker 21 It's getting genuinely scary. And now you have Nigel Farage, who formed his own party over there, which is on the rise because of issues like this, who testified in front of the House, the U.S.

Speaker 25 House Judiciary Committee, this morning, a couple of hours ago, in the wake of Graham Lineham's arrest and had the following warning sought for.

Speaker 87 He's not even a British citizen.

Speaker 95 He's an Irish citizen.

Speaker 87 This could happen to any American man or woman that goes to Heathrow. It is a potentially big threat to tech bosses, to many, many others.

Speaker 87 This legislation we've got will damage trade between our countries, threaten free speech.

Speaker 87 I've come today as well to be a claxon to say to you, don't allow, piece by piece, this to happen here in America.

Speaker 87 And you would be doing us and yourselves and all freedom-loving people a favor if your politicians and your businesses said to the British government, you've simply got this wrong.

Speaker 85 At what point did we become North Korea?

Speaker 87 Well, I think the Irish comedy writer found that out two days ago at Heathrow Airport.

Speaker 33 Good for him.

Speaker 4 Agreed.

Speaker 23 Here's the, I think, what in part he was referring to.

Speaker 23 It goes beyond Graham, because you and I are swept up into this weird web of censorship that they're casting, not just in the UK, but in Europe, thanks to the EU Digital Services Act, which is this law that has been passed that could cripple free speech, not just over there, but over here.

Speaker 16 It governs all of our social media companies, which is now the new public square.

Speaker 21 And it basically bans speech that is offensive.

Speaker 49 Not basically.

Speaker 21 I mean, it does.

Speaker 22 And what can it's relatively new in terms of taking effect?

Speaker 16 It was passed a couple years ago, but in terms of when it took effect, it's relatively new.

Speaker 21 And it says that you can silence or censor voices that you find offensive.

Speaker 54 It gives super broad powers to the European Commission to regulate content deemed harmful.

Speaker 9 Harmful.

Speaker 44 It took effect in 2024.

Speaker 21 And this is by using the biggest and most expansive definition of so-called hate speech one can imagine.

Speaker 14 So Megan Kelly can get on X or

Speaker 81 Facebook and say there are only two sexes, male and female, and a man cannot become a woman.

Speaker 53 And Elon Musk is fine with that as the owner of X, and Mark Zuckerberg, at this point, would allow that as the owner of Facebook.

Speaker 25 But they both operate in Europe.

Speaker 21 And this European commission can look at Megan Kelly's tweet and say, no, that's hate speech, and go to those platforms and insist that they shut down the tweet or even potentially take down the account, Greg.

Speaker 80 Yeah.

Speaker 80 And there is actually a lawsuit, I think, that was launched last week with 4chan trying to defend the findings against it under the DSA, or actually the findings against

Speaker 80 Britain.

Speaker 80 So one thing I wanted to tell your entire audience is that I would love to have a case that FIRE could bring that would defend American free speech rights and the rights of American companies from encroachment from European laws or laws from the UK, because

Speaker 80 this could sink our free speech here. Actually,

Speaker 80 we just wrote a book on this called Authoritarians in the Academy. Sarah McLaughlin at Fire wrote it.

Speaker 80 And it's about how China and Qatar are actually using their power and influence to limit free speech on campuses in the the United States. But what the European Union is doing, what the UK is doing,

Speaker 80 could reach just as far.

Speaker 8 How is China using its influence to silence free speech on American university campuses?

Speaker 80 Pressuring different administrations to punish Chinese national students

Speaker 80 who are critical of China, to shut down events, to report, they report back situations where Chinese nationals are

Speaker 80 saying things that are critical of the crackdown in Hong Kong, for example.

Speaker 80 Or for that matter, when they try to have events that feature the Dalai Lama or express support for Tibet, they're figuring all sorts of ways to exert pressure on various campuses to get that punished or shut down.

Speaker 37 So it's basically what they're doing to the film industry here in America.

Speaker 80 Exactly what they're doing to the film industry.

Speaker 23 It's amazing.

Speaker 21 It's like, this is the same reason why you don't let Pfizer advertise on your show.

Speaker 72 Because once they control your salary, they control your speech.

Speaker 4 And what's happening is we're so beholden to China and its dollars or, you know, it's yen, whatever, that we bend the knee when they call us up and say, don't put that in your movie.

Speaker 14 We don't want to see that patch or that poster or that messaging.

Speaker 21 And Hollywood has bent the knee.

Speaker 16 And now you're saying this is happening when it comes to speech on university campuses.

Speaker 58 And instead of having a very strong instinct of saying, forgive me, but fuck off.

Speaker 21 This is the United States of America.

Speaker 4 We're doing it.

Speaker 29 We're going along with it.

Speaker 80 Yeah, no, and that's one of the reasons why I think we should all be concerned about this unreviewable power that the Secretary of State has to kick out anyone who, in the sole opinion of the Secretary of State, is adverse to foreign policy.

Speaker 81 Let's talk about that because I've defended that. I've defended that.

Speaker 17 And I know

Speaker 78 we're in disagreement a bit on this, but I really want to hear your argument.

Speaker 80 Well, let's take the Graham Linehan case. You know, Graham Linehan, you know, like he said, some anti-trans activist things.

Speaker 80 And you can imagine under a future AOC, you know, administration, there would be people in her administration who's like, we should return this person to be prosecuted in the UK for his transphobic things that he said.

Speaker 80 And under the law, as it currently stands, the Secretary of State under that administration could kick that person out of the country without any review whatsoever.

Speaker 80 It's the reason why Trump's own sister,

Speaker 80 when asked to review that portion of regulations that gives that power to Secretary of State, said it was unconstitutionally vague and broad.

Speaker 45 So, but I mean, I guess I don't totally understand the analogy because Mark Orrubio is looking at these Hamas-loving college campus students saying, when you say things like globalize the intifada, that is not consistent with the foreign policy of the United States, which recognizes Hamas as a terrorist group.

Speaker 21 And you're only here on a visitor's pass. And so it's like having somebody over for dinner.

Speaker 17 You came over, you got drunk, you barfed on my brand new living room carpet.

Speaker 89 So you're out.

Speaker 23 Your visitor's pass is revoked.

Speaker 64 Like,

Speaker 21 why is that not okay when they're just here as visitors?

Speaker 21 And he should be wary of visitors coming over here and antagonizing Americans and others with speech that goes against what we've stated as a policy that we support, which is keeping terrorists out and opposing terrorism.

Speaker 80 But when it comes, it's the exact same principle of the the Gran Linehan case. Like essentially, he came to the United States because he was afraid he was going to get arrested in the U.K.
for

Speaker 80 his trans-critical speech. And future administrations are probably going to say things like, it is the policy of this administration that we support trans rights.

Speaker 9 Well, that's a domestic policy.

Speaker 49 And don't you think foreign policy is something that's uniquely within the control of the executive branch?

Speaker 80 But once you actually have a policy that's as vague and broad as the one the Secretary of State has, its potential for abuse is ripe.

Speaker 80 And once again, like so much so that the one person who's reviewed it, Trump's own sister, thought it went too far. So I'm saying that this is not a power you want to hand off to anybody else.

Speaker 80 And when it comes to the way it's actually been used, I mean, even Joe Rogan noticed this case. The Ramesa Oz Turk case, this is the, she's a Muslim student.
She was here on her student visa.

Speaker 80 She wrote an op-ed saying the Tufts should divest from Israel, something I disagree with, to be clear. But it wasn't crazy.
It wasn't bomb throwing. And

Speaker 80 she was basically stuffed into a van by immigration people, like flown to Louisiana and held more or less in jail for weeks until a judge said, no, no, no, no. And

Speaker 80 since you're a fellow lawyer, Megan, there is a Supreme Court case on the books called Bridges v.

Speaker 80 Wixon that, of course, you can consider things like opinion and whether or not someone's suitable to get a visa in the first place.

Speaker 80 But once they're here, people who are here on a visa are supposed to have rights that are similar to ours under the First Amendment, under this 1945 case called Bridges v. Wixon.

Speaker 65 I guess I just think when it comes to foreign policy and you're in the midst of supporting an ally who's in midst who themselves are in the midst of a war, it does seem like the Secretary of State should have some power to say yay or nay on these visas that have been granted.

Speaker 16 And if it's based on ideology, I guess I'm fine with that.

Speaker 21 I

Speaker 78 see it as a much bigger deal if you go after an American city, American citizen.

Speaker 26 If an American citizen tomorrow comes out and says, I support Hamas, I actually think Hamas is right.

Speaker 22 Israel sucks.

Speaker 4 That's fair game. You can say that.

Speaker 23 Even if it's a terrorist organization, Marco Rubio cannot throw you out.

Speaker 16 He cannot do anything to you.

Speaker 37 It's just you're on much shakier ground when you really don't have a right to be here in the first place.

Speaker 80 Well, I think of Jordan Peterson, you know, like who came to the U.S. partially because of his horrible treatment on this very same issue, by the way,

Speaker 80 in Canada. And the idea that we could just kick him out at any time,

Speaker 80 even though he's on a visa, because of speech that any other American could actually say, doesn't sit well with your civil libertarian.

Speaker 8 Again, it's only with respect to foreign policy speech that goes against the foreign policy of the administration.

Speaker 45 So it's not some blanket.

Speaker 16 You can throw anybody out for any speech they make.

Speaker 21 It's a limited provision, and it isn't clear whether it's going to be upheld.

Speaker 23 I mean, it's been challenged. It's working its way through the system on whether that permission slip to the Secretary of State is consistent with our First Amendment.

Speaker 96 And a lawyer smarter than yours truly will ultimately have to say on that, specifically nine of them sitting in black robes, though

Speaker 40 I take it back because not each one of them is smarter than yours truly.

Speaker 4 A couple of them definitely are, though.

Speaker 23 Okay, well, I'm horrified by this Graham case. I can't wait to talk to him about it.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 16 I'm still kind of shocked that it's even happening.

Speaker 8 I want to talk to you about, though, about that, the trans thing, because this has become,

Speaker 23 you know, when we start to bully and self-censor ourselves, the outside censors have really gotten it right.

Speaker 38 They've done their job.

Speaker 17 You know, they've really won.

Speaker 29 And there was an extraordinary admission by Malcolm Gladwell, famed author.

Speaker 45 He's written so many great books.

Speaker 23 He's been on this show before.

Speaker 64 I like Malcolm.

Speaker 16 He definitely struck me as a bit woke.

Speaker 97 when he came on the show in 2022.

Speaker 77 And

Speaker 17 I'm not.

Speaker 23 And one of the things I hate about the woke is how censorious they they are.

Speaker 48 And he had, like, at the time, he was like sponsoring a podcast by Ibram X.

Speaker 4 Kendi, which I was like, come on, why?

Speaker 8 What?

Speaker 48 He's too smart for this.

Speaker 42 And he was also saying some strange stuff in the gender lane, you know, very open-minded.

Speaker 57 And this is 2022.

Speaker 49 Look, by this point, we understood that boys should not be in girls' sports.

Speaker 36 But Malcolm was a little later to come along, but he has come along to his credit.

Speaker 4 In any event, he

Speaker 74 hosted, he moderated a panel with a bunch of people who were active on the trans issue in March of 2022.

Speaker 65 And it was over Leah Thomas, among other cases.

Speaker 26 It was at MIT.

Speaker 38 And the people who were on his panel included Russ Tucker, and our audience may remember Russ Tucker.

Speaker 61 He hosts this sports podcast, The Real Science of Sport.

Speaker 42 And he came on to talk to us about Emain Khalif.

Speaker 13 over the summer of 2024 and was very fact-based, real no nonsense, and laid it all out that, you know, Emain Khalif likely likely has male testicles and undescended and all the stuff.

Speaker 16 Like this guy knows what he's talking about.

Speaker 8 He's a fact-based guy.

Speaker 51 Then there's Joanna Harper, who's more of a trans activist.

Speaker 8 She's, Joanna is a

Speaker 26 Joanna's been on this program as well.

Speaker 20 And then a third panelist.

Speaker 27 So Malcolm Mott moderates the panel.

Speaker 44 And here's a moment.

Speaker 16 that happened on the panel.

Speaker 23 This is Joanna Harper in

Speaker 81 7C.

Speaker 3 I I would say that if we let trans women compete in women's sport, then we have to let them win.

Speaker 4 Not win disproportionately, but win, at least some of the time.

Speaker 23 Okay, so Joanna is saying we have to let trans athletes win.

Speaker 12 We must.

Speaker 60 If they're going to participate in the women's sports, we have to let them win.

Speaker 42 And now Malcolm was there, and he just gave an interview to Ross Tucker, that same guy I just mentioned, and he talks about that moment with the benefit of hindsight in Sat 7B.

Speaker 99 And at one point they turned to you, Ross, and they said,

Speaker 99 Ross, you have to let us win.

Speaker 99 And it was at that moment that I realized this position has gone,

Speaker 99 this argument has gone to the furthest extreme.

Speaker 99 What the trans movement is not asking for,

Speaker 99 they're not asking for

Speaker 99 a place at the table.

Speaker 8 They're not asking for to be treated with respect and dignity.

Speaker 99 What they're asking is for no one to question the considerable physical, physiological advantage they bring to the sport and no one to question if they're going to win these races by five seconds, suck it up.

Speaker 43 Very good point and very true. And here's what brings me to you on it, Greg.

Speaker 27 You can comment on that too.

Speaker 23 But now here's Malcolm saying he's seen the error of his ways and how embarrassed he is about the way he moderated that panel just three years ago, SAT7.

Speaker 99 If we did a replay of that exact panel at the Sloan Conference this coming March, it runs in exactly the opposite direction.

Speaker 99 And it would be, I suspect, near unanimity in the room that trans athletes have no place

Speaker 99 in in the female category.

Speaker 8 I don't think there's any question.

Speaker 99 I just think it was a strange. I mean, I felt, I mean, I was

Speaker 99 the reason I'm ashamed of my performance at that panel because

Speaker 99 I share your position 100%,

Speaker 99 and I was cowed.

Speaker 41 I was cowed.

Speaker 29 An extraordinary admission.

Speaker 12 Good for him for making it. Glad he's no longer feeling that way.

Speaker 59 But that's what happens when the bullies get in your head, and it's one of the main goals of, yes, the woke and certainly the transgender movement activists.

Speaker 48 Your thoughts on it, Greg?

Speaker 80 Yeah, I mean, we all saw it happen and the intensity with which over the course of about 10 years, we went from, well, no, of course, biological men and women are different.

Speaker 80 And

Speaker 80 also, like in First Amendment circles, how like how quickly people started making the argument that, yes, it could be potentially harassment if you don't call someone by their chosen pronoun or if even there was a law in Colorado that we opposed, for example, that was saying that you could potentially have your kids taken away if you don't use their new chosen name.

Speaker 80 And I'm like, so what you're telling me here is you're saying that someone could lose their kids if they call them their legal name.

Speaker 80 And there was so much pressure around this issue. And I'm honestly, to this day, still kind of embarrassed on behalf of a lot of First Amendment activists who actually, during this time,

Speaker 80 were more or less saying it's like well yeah no I mean like not calling someone who is biologically male her could actually by itself be harassment you know Fire was very clear that can never be harassment by itself

Speaker 80 and I feel like but I feel like what people were just afraid to admit was that they were and it's good that Malcolm put it this way is people were just terrified of the trans rights activists but then started rationalizing why they agreed with them and why they weren't actually being cowed

Speaker 80 and I think we're waking up from this to a degree.

Speaker 80 But what we're seeing in England, you know, with the Graham Linhan case, to bring it back to that again, you know, is the fact that this is far from over.

Speaker 61 So

Speaker 81 what is your advice as somebody who's spent the vast majority of your adult life fighting for free speech rights on college campuses and other campuses for students who get chastised and punished by these university professors, virtually all of whom are radical leftists who don't want to hear conservative thought or just the questioning of their liberal orthodoxy.

Speaker 26 What is your advice for young conservatives going off to college now and feeling a little more empowered, certainly gravitating a bit more to the Trump movement, the MAGA movement, and not being woke, rejecting wokeism wholesale, but still under the same pressure by those in charge to say the right thing on the exam, to speak the right way in class, to have the proper opinions in mixed company.

Speaker 80 Oh, Megan,

Speaker 80 I could do like a couple days on what my advice would be here.

Speaker 80 But the most basic part of it is if someone's saying that you have to, that you have to say something that you do not believe is true, that you have to call someone by a name that you don't believe is theirs or by a pronoun that they don't believe that actually applies to them.

Speaker 80 That's compelled speech. Compelled speech is worse than telling someone what they can't say.
It's telling telling someone what they must say. That's totalitarian.

Speaker 80 And if that case comes up, if you have actually that situation, contact fire because there's a long string of cases that indicate, you know, compelled speech is the heart of darkness and you have rights under those circumstances.

Speaker 65 How about just the pronoun game in general?

Speaker 43 Because it's very annoying.

Speaker 31 I'll tell you what, this is the first week of school where we go and we intentionally chose non-woke schools.

Speaker 27 And our son's school is definitely non-woke and very reasonable they're not they're not MAGA you know they're just non-woke they're old school traditionalist the way like we used to be where they keep this ideology out of the classroom but our girls school our daughter school is woke more woke than I'd like and first day of school all the forms are given to my daughter in her classes asking her to say her pronouns it's an all-girls school They all have the same damn pronouns.

Speaker 57 Stop asking this.

Speaker 67 I really wanted her her to say, I'm not going to, I don't play that game.

Speaker 16 I'm not playing the pronoun game, but you couldn't because the forms were electronic and they had to click something in order to go to the next box and the forms were mandatory.

Speaker 71 It's infuriating, but it's another, it's that too is a forced, a compelled speech in its own way.

Speaker 20 Yeah.

Speaker 80 Well, we've definitely seen cases where, like when it's in a live context, where people have said, I'm not, I'm not playing with this. I'm not, I'm not going to give you my

Speaker 80 pronouns. And increasingly, I have seen a lot of examples where someone says, like, I'm not doing this.

Speaker 80 Like when they go around the class and ask for people trying to like, no, I'm opting out, where that's become increasingly kind of acceptable,

Speaker 80 where people are like, yep. So there is some sanity returning to that.

Speaker 80 But I do think that, you know, like this is an ideology that there's been a lot of celebration of like wokeness sort of like going away.

Speaker 80 I actually kind of like my preferred term for wokeness is social justice fundamentalism. It's Tim Urban's term because because I think it like

Speaker 80 it's just this radical kind of like belief that everybody must comply with my essentially secular religion. And there's this idea that it's gone away.

Speaker 80 And it's like in some circles and it's like, no, it hasn't.

Speaker 80 It's still there. Nothing has happened

Speaker 80 that's massively changed this. And it's going to come back just as ferociously as the political correctness of the mid-1980s, early 1990s came back with a vengeance around 2014.

Speaker 80 This is all going to come back unless people really stand up for it. And also, frankly, Megan, if people start deciding to

Speaker 80 start deciding to go to entirely different institutions to figure out ways to do their K through PhD educations in different ways, favoring different ways that can't actually coerce ideology out of them.

Speaker 4 or won't want to at least.

Speaker 7 I really like that social justice fundamentalism.

Speaker 48 That's exactly what it is.

Speaker 27 Well, I'll be making a phone call to my daughter's school today.

Speaker 8 I just think this is insane.

Speaker 23 Everybody knows what the pronouns are of these girls.

Speaker 22 If you've got somebody who's confused, that's her issue.

Speaker 16 My daughter should not be forced to be questioning pronouns at all because some random unknown person in the school may or may not be having gender issues.

Speaker 23 I completely reject the entire discussion.

Speaker 67 It's offensive, it's objectionable, and it actually can cause harm.

Speaker 21 You do not inject confusion around gender where it doesn't exist.

Speaker 36 In any event, look, this is why you've devoted your whole life to things like War on Words, 10 Arguments Against Free Speech and Why They Fail.

Speaker 76 Your book, The War on Words, is well worth your time.

Speaker 35 Greg will give you all the arguments you need to stand up for free speech in America, which is under threat, perhaps not quite as badly as it is in the UK and in the EU.

Speaker 4 But hey,

Speaker 20 it could be a harbinger of things to come.

Speaker 37 Thanks for being here. Absolutely.

Speaker 80 Thanks, Megan. Take care.

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Speaker 27 We've got a lot of other big news to get to today, including President Trump fighting crime in Democrat-run cities and fighting the Democratic politicians in the process.

Speaker 21 Updates in the Epstein story and more.

Speaker 34 Want to be joined now by Batya Unger Sargon, whose new show on News Nation is called Batya, and it debuts September 20th.

Speaker 46 Congrats, Batia. That's awesome.

Speaker 93 Thank you so much, Megan. I have to say, you have been such a role model for me for such a long time.
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Speaker 93 And for everything you do for this country, thank you so much, Megan, and for having me.

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Speaker 35 Okay, let's talk about Epstein because that's what's happening right now on Capitol Hill.

Speaker 35 As I explained to the audience at the top of the hour, you kind of have the House committee that subpoena oversight is subpoenaing DOJ.

Speaker 23 Been underwhelmed with what they've produced, and I expect to remain underwhelmed.

Speaker 14 But then you have the Massey-Rokana tandem pairing where they're kind of going around everybody.

Speaker 75 They are trying to go through Congress to like mandate that virtually all documents, real documents, be released.

Speaker 71 We'll see.

Speaker 30 We'll see how that goes.

Speaker 37 But they did have a presser this morning with a bunch of Epstein victims or women who say they were his victims.

Speaker 38 And I'll give you an example.

Speaker 7 Here's Lisa Phillips, who says she's committed to sort of working outside of this process and making sure the truth comes out.

Speaker 16 Her name is Lisa Phillips again, and it's SOT50.

Speaker 101 Several of us, Epstein survivors, have been discussing creating our own list of names.

Speaker 101 We know the names.

Speaker 101 Many of us were abused by them.

Speaker 101 Now, together as survivors, we will confidentially compile the names we all know were regularly in the Epstein world.

Speaker 101 And it will be done by survivors and for survivors.

Speaker 101 No one else is involved. Stay tuned for more details on that.

Speaker 93 Because history is washing, and so are the women who will come after us.

Speaker 93 Thank you.

Speaker 27 Okay, so I say good for them.

Speaker 18 This is like the actual men who are in Epstein's circle.

Speaker 44 This is their worst nightmare because not all of them are pedophiles.

Speaker 21 Some of them just knew Epstein.

Speaker 23 I mean, I think Trump is in that category. I think Alan Dershowitz is in that category.

Speaker 16 Eventually, Steve Bannon was kind of in that category because he was advising Epstein to some extent after he, you know, got in trouble.

Speaker 17 I don't think these people did anything wrong morally, you know, in terms of the girls.

Speaker 55 But, you know, if the list is now up to the survivors of like who was in his orbit a lot, because the real officials won't tell us the names of those who have been actually accused of bad actions.

Speaker 60 You know, I'm not surprised the women are taking control of the situation.

Speaker 4 And I think this is going to be an even worse outcome for men who are potentially innocent of wrongdoing.

Speaker 48 But your thoughts on it?

Speaker 93 It's very interesting because one of the journalists asked them, well, can you give us a preview of some of the names on the list?

Speaker 93 And they declined to do so because they're worried about getting sued, which I think is a good thing, right? You don't want people randomly naming people who haven't done anything wrong.

Speaker 93 I will say I thought the most interesting thing that happened was that the lawyer seemed to dispel the myth that there was a big pedophile ring.

Speaker 93 And what I mean by that is he was very clear and he said at one point to one of the in the QA portion of the press conference, he said, let me be very clear, Jeffrey Epstein personally abused all of these women for his personal gratification.

Speaker 93 And then, and here's the key point, Megan. He said, when they reached a certain age,

Speaker 93 he then did farm some of them out to some of his friends, which to me, I don't know if you agree with me, but it does seem to suggest that he was interested in them when they were underage.

Speaker 93 And then when they reached a certain age, one of them even said when she got too old for him, he kind of kicked her out.

Speaker 93 And at that point, he would introduce them to his friends, which does seem to suggest that those friends are not actually implicated in pedophilia and possibly not even in anything criminal now the the the the alan dershowitz thing i think is very important because he's kind of for me the reason that i don't think that releasing a full list is a good idea i think that he he he managed to to to prove that he had been falsely accused but i have to say i don't think his reputation ever recovered from having been associated with the scandal.

Speaker 93 And I personally think that's kind of an unfair thing to do to a lot of people.

Speaker 93 The other thing I will just say is I do think that the women themselves are on kind of a different page than Rokana and Thomas Massey. They did not seem to want the same things to be released.

Speaker 93 I don't think they want everything released. They kept saying, is there footage of what happened to me in the hands of the government?

Speaker 93 As if the last thing they want is for that to be, God forbid, released, right?

Speaker 93 So I do think they are being manipulated a little bit and used in this kind of gross titillating way to hurt Trump by people who see him as a political adversary.

Speaker 52 See, I think it's interesting what you said about Dershowitz.

Speaker 8 I disagree that his reputation didn't recover.

Speaker 23 I think what happened was Dershowitz never recovered from defending Trump in the first impeachment trial.

Speaker 42 That's what, quote, ruined his reputation. Not that you use that word, but with the left.

Speaker 16 They looked at him very differently after that. They couldn't forgive him.
His stories of being ignored and, you know, ostracized in Martha's Vineyard go on.

Speaker 30 That's really what did it.

Speaker 21 It wasn't the Epstein thing.

Speaker 12 I think the left used that as an excuse to say, oh, it's that.

Speaker 43 I'm moral.

Speaker 35 I just have an objection. They didn't care about Epstein.

Speaker 21 The left couldn't give two shits about Epstein until Trump and recently told us they saw it was like an Achilles heel potentially for Trump.

Speaker 36 So I don't think that these men will have trouble rehabilitating themselves.

Speaker 4 They will have to work for it, though.

Speaker 8 And the irony of what you said, though, is Alan Dershowitz does think that the name should be released.

Speaker 19 And he thinks men should have to defend themselves, same as he had to.

Speaker 14 He's like, you know what?

Speaker 15 It shouldn't be that hard.

Speaker 21 If you didn't do anything, it should be very easy to say, this is bullshit.

Speaker 17 I never went to the island, or I went to the island, and I never met with any women or girls or what have you.

Speaker 16 And the final point I was going to make on Epstein is I've told the audience this before.

Speaker 16 I do know somebody who's very known, very close to the Epstein case, and this person's never misled me.

Speaker 52 Everything they've told me has been true as far as I can tell.

Speaker 16 And this person has been saying from the beginning that this person doesn't view Epstein as a pedophile, but that he was into the quote barely legal type. That, you know, I don't know if that's true.

Speaker 23 I think if Epstein could have an interlude with a 14-year-old, he would have done it and he probably did do it.

Speaker 36 And that is a pedophile.

Speaker 16 It's not the same as a six-year-old.

Speaker 23 I accept that there's a distinction, you know, between those two.

Speaker 82 You know, morally.

Speaker 16 It's not, and I'm not justifying one, just to be clear.

Speaker 60 But I think that's probably right, because I think if you looked 14 or were 14, he would probably spend time with you.

Speaker 42 But if you looked 24 or were 24, he was over you.

Speaker 26 So anyway, the whole case is very complicated.

Speaker 16 And I'm interested in hearing these women's stories, as I have been in every Woman's Me Too story, to see whether it's true, what it tells us about power, what it tells us about women,

Speaker 24 and all of it.

Speaker 39 And I think more sunlight, more and more, more sunlight.

Speaker 49 Trump feels differently.

Speaker 21 Here's what he said.

Speaker 7 SOT 54.

Speaker 6 So this is a Democrat hoax that never ends. You know, it reminds me a little of the Kennedy situation.
We gave him everything over and over again, more and more and more, and nobody's ever satisfied.

Speaker 6 From what I understand, I could check, but from what I understand, Thousands of pages of documents have been given.

Speaker 6 But it's really a Democrat hoax because they're trying to get people to talk about something that's totally irrelevant to the success that we've had as a nation since I've been president.

Speaker 6 Even if you look at DC right now.

Speaker 26 Thoughts on that one?

Speaker 93 I got to say, Megan, I think we may not agree on this, but I just think Trump knows his base better than anybody.

Speaker 93 And when he keeps saying this is a hoax, he's not trying to convince them to drop something he thinks thinks will hurt him. I think he feels like no one cares about this.

Speaker 93 They care about really important things like kitchen table issues, what he's doing to get the country back on track, why inflation is not going down faster.

Speaker 93 Like people have real concerns and they don't hold him personally responsible for this. I keep having like, you know, totally normie people ask me like, why do I keep hearing about this Epstein thing?

Speaker 93 Like they don't quite understand why it's such a big topic so i'm kind of with the president on this i don't think you get very far betting against trump's understanding of where like the average american is at on an issue and i think he's really clocked it that this is something that really preoccupies kind of elites on both sides but like average americans i think just don't care that much about

Speaker 93 Jeffrey Epstein. What do you think?

Speaker 12 Well, I don't think it's elites on the right who are interested in Epstein.

Speaker 45 I think it's like, you know, Dan Bongino is not an elite.

Speaker 17 Now he's, you know, part of government.

Speaker 23 But like when he was talking about this on his show, it wasn't because he had some privilege position, you know, that he was going to exploit.

Speaker 14 To the contrary, it's been people like Cash, like Dan.

Speaker 16 podcasters on the right who have been saying, what the hell?

Speaker 21 We smell a rat.

Speaker 42 We think that these people in power protect their own and we're not being given the straight story.

Speaker 42 And we want the straight story because we do believe that powerful elites get away with this shit when the rest of us don't, like nobody else would, and that we have a right to know what these elites were doing and why they're covering for each other because everybody within Epstein Circle was pretty much well off, connected, or rich, you know, in one way, shape, or form.

Speaker 23 So I just don't see this as an elites issue, not this one. I have interest in this case from a legal standpoint.

Speaker 11 And I also think Trump's very first instinct, it'd be one thing if after, you know, all these months, Trump was like, get over it.

Speaker 16 We've done some releases.

Speaker 51 I'm sick of talking about this shit.

Speaker 21 But on day one, he was like, Jeffrey Epstein, who is interested in that story?

Speaker 89 Are we still talking about Jeffrey Epstein?

Speaker 49 And it was like, what?

Speaker 97 What are you saying?

Speaker 15 Your DOJ has just released this ridiculous two-page memo trying to declare it over.

Speaker 61 That's why we're talking about it.

Speaker 56 Why are you acting like we just brought this up out of the blue?

Speaker 16 So that's really one of the things that set off the firestorm.

Speaker 89 Having said all that,

Speaker 67 it's not my top issue by far.

Speaker 15 It's not one of my top 50 issues.

Speaker 22 I just think the ongoing saga of it is interesting.

Speaker 36 So anyway, okay, we're going to pick it up on the back end of this break.

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Speaker 61 Okay, so Trump's alive, thank God, alive and well, happy to report.

Speaker 16 We need to report it because for some reason, the loons on the left spent the entire weekend speculating that he might be dead based on what?

Speaker 53 Some errant report that he had suffered a heart attack or something.

Speaker 72 No, based on the fact that they hadn't actually seen him on camera for three days.

Speaker 21 Three days.

Speaker 35 He had a presser.

Speaker 21 He was out in the news.

Speaker 72 And then for three days, he wasn't actually on camera holding a press event.

Speaker 16 And they went into meltdown speculating that he might be dead.

Speaker 27 It led to people like George Conway of the Lincoln Project, formerly married to Kellyanne Conway, saying things like, shh, don't jinx it.

Speaker 77 Like, if you talk about it, he might wind up alive.

Speaker 16 Like, the fervor for this man's death was in full flower over the weekend.

Speaker 23 There's one great example we have here, which is Jen Saki. Now, she, of course, I'm sure, hoped Trump was dead.

Speaker 58 And she was one of the chief cover-uppers.

Speaker 4 coverer ups or uppers for Joe Biden's mental infirmity.

Speaker 76 She worked for Joe Biden for the first half of his presidency and said nothing, nothing about the fact that the autopen was really president.

Speaker 26 And now she wants to be the authority on Trump's possible health problems, his status as an alive or a dead president, something she really should keep quiet about, given that she covered for Joe Biden.

Speaker 21 And here's what she said after Trump, oh, miraculously resurfaced playing golf.

Speaker 27 very much alive.

Speaker 48 Here she is in SOT 26.

Speaker 98 We went from Trump saying he hadn't heard about the rumors of his death to Trump saying he did hear about them from reports.

Speaker 4 Really can't make this stuff up sometimes.

Speaker 98 And look, we may never know why Donald Trump suddenly spent a week hiding entirely from the American public, but you don't actually need baseless online conspiracies to explain why he might not want to show his face in public right now.

Speaker 98 A newly released Wall Street Journal poll finds that the percentage of Americans who think they have a good chance of improving their standard of living has fallen to just 25%.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 52 Badia, the man had a presser last Tuesday.

Speaker 56 He was seen on Sunday golfing.

Speaker 16 She's very, very upset that she had to go, I guess, Wednesday through Saturday.

Speaker 41 So, okay, four days, not seeing.

Speaker 29 We may never know.

Speaker 54 We, you know, we may never know why he spent a week hiding the nerve.

Speaker 93 It's so insane because think of what they're telling on themselves that Trump is so active, so efficient, so accomplished, so constantly working for the American people in the public eye that if you go for 12 hours without seeing him, he might be dead, right?

Speaker 93 Like just think about what that means for what they are actually admitting. They're just telling on themselves.

Speaker 93 Of course, the real reason they wish he was dead is because they cannot compete against him.

Speaker 93 And the reason they can't compete against him is that despite the fact that the left portrays Donald Trump as some sort of 21st century George Wallace, what he actually is, is a 21st century FDR.

Speaker 93 He stole all of the best parts of their agenda. He's anti-war, he's pro-worker, and he's socially moderate.
This is the nature of the American people.

Speaker 93 And they know that they have nothing to offer the American people to convince them to come back to the Democratic Party. And so they are left to simply wish that he dies.

Speaker 93 I mean, this is such a capitulation, Megan. This is what defeat looks like.

Speaker 7 Yes, it's so true.

Speaker 71 It's so, that's their only way out is to hope for an early demise, which is just so vile.

Speaker 80 Disgusting.

Speaker 69 You've got Tim Walt.

Speaker 9 Okay, Jen Saki, she's a talking head, whatever.

Speaker 16 But Tim Walz was recently the vice presidential candidate on the Democratic ticket.

Speaker 4 Maybe you'd expect a little better, a little higher in terms of the rhetoric.

Speaker 16 You would be disappointed.

Speaker 48 Here is Sot 27.

Speaker 95 You get up in the morning and you doom scroll through things. And

Speaker 107 although I will say this, the last few days you woke up thinking there might be news.

Speaker 6 Just saying,

Speaker 95 just saying, there will be news sometime. Just so you know, there will be news.

Speaker 51 Look at him.

Speaker 8 So chipper.

Speaker 13 And don't worry, there will be news.

Speaker 38 In other words, Trump will die.

Speaker 58 Something to look forward to.

Speaker 57 The absolute nervous, especially with a president who was subjected to at least two assassination attempts and just dodged death in recent history to the great relief of every sane person in the nation.

Speaker 23 Now to be openly, you know, talking about what a delicious day it's going to be, it's totally irresponsible

Speaker 93 i mean it's godless is what it is it is truly truly godless and i remember the first time somebody an over-credentialed leftist elite said to me no i wish that the shooter had succeeded

Speaker 93 and i was just in disbelief what has donald trump ever done to you i mean talk about the american dream jen sake says americans don't believe they have access to the american dream that's thanks to democrat policy.

Speaker 93 Amen. Like NAFTA, you know, like shipping 5 million really good middle-class jobs overseas to build up China's middle class for some reason.
Defunding vocational training. Thank you, President Obama.

Speaker 93 Cutting off another avenue that working class Americans had to the American dream. Since the 70s, Democrats.

Speaker 93 Democrats built an economy that was an upward funnel of wealth from the pockets of working class Americans into the top 10%, the over-credentialed leftist progressive college elites.

Speaker 93 It was wage theft of their working class neighbors.

Speaker 93 And then now these same rich people who got rich off of the mass immigration that resulted in the downward mobility of working class Americans sit there saying, oh, wow, I wonder why working class people don't think they have access to the American dream.

Speaker 93 Huh, do you think it's because you welcomed in millions and millions of illegal immigrants to replace them in the job market and drive down the wages and live off of the government and, you know, take their welfare.

Speaker 93 Like, it's so obvious. It's so obvious.

Speaker 16 It's the nerve of her to use that Wall Street Journal poll, which I do want to discuss with you, but on the decrease in believing in the American dream that it's possible for me or my children, that came out this week.

Speaker 65 And the nerve of somebody who not only is a Democrat, but worked for the previous Democrat administration, a guy who was vice president for eight years under Barack Obama.

Speaker 16 And Jen Saki's been tied to them all to be like, it's all Trump's fault.

Speaker 69 It's the first seven, eight months of Trump that have led to these poll numbers.

Speaker 16 It's all on Donald Trump, not a Democrat creation at all.

Speaker 93 It's so frustrating. And you catch them in these catch-22s because, on the one hand, they hate the tariffs.
You know, the Democrats have secretly, quietly become the party of free trade.

Speaker 93 I don't know if you noticed, because whatever Trump is, they have to be the opposite. So Trump said, you know, this trade's not fair to American workers.

Speaker 93 Suddenly they're rushing to defend trickle-down economics and free trade. Okay, let's set that aside.

Speaker 93 So they hate the tariffs like all rich people, which is who the Democrats' base is now, hate tariffs, right? They want free trade. They want cheap stuff.

Speaker 93 But then they will say, but Trump, everything he does is for the rich and for the elites. If that's true, why do the rich and the elites hate him?

Speaker 93 If that's true, why did for every billionaire who backed Trump, Kamala Harris get two?

Speaker 93 Why did 95% of donations to politics coming out of the top three management consulting firms go to Kamala Harris and not Donald Trump? Why did Wall Street pick Kamala Harris and not Donald Trump?

Speaker 93 I mean, they know it's not true, even as they say it, but you know, data coming out of Treasury right now shows there's been a 1.4% wage increase for blue-collar workers just in the last eight months, thanks to Donald Trump's administration.

Speaker 93 Megan, 1.5 million illegals have exited the workforce and they have been replaced by 1.8 million American workers. This is like an astonishing feat.

Speaker 93 And despite the fact that many of those Americans who replaced illegals are working in things like meat packing, you haven't seen a huge increase in prices.

Speaker 93 There's a very small increase in prices and consumer prices. It's less than 1%.

Speaker 93 Despite the fact that we're replacing people who will work for $5 an hour with Americans who expect health care. I mean, what Donald Trump has done with our economy is staggering.

Speaker 93 He's reduced the income gap, reduced the wage gap. He's literally bringing back the American dream for the bottom.

Speaker 93 And All you hear when you turn on cable news is millionaires bemoaning the fact, you know, that this economy is bad for them.

Speaker 93 It's just the chutzpah here, the chutzpah, and them blaming him for everything that went wrong under successive Democrat administrations. It's disgusting.

Speaker 35 The nerve.

Speaker 48 So I want to give a couple stats on that poll in one second, but I do have to play the Trump response.

Speaker 21 He spoke with Peter Doocy at the White House about the alleged rumors.

Speaker 76 You know, the rumors of my demise have been greatly exaggerated.

Speaker 23 And Peter Ducey raised it with him and sat 25.

Speaker 48 Here's how that went.

Speaker 6 How did you find out over the weekend that you were dead?

Speaker 102 Did you see that?

Speaker 85 No.

Speaker 94 People didn't see you for a couple days.

Speaker 86 1.3 million user engagements as of Saturday morning about your demise.

Speaker 6 Really? You didn't see that? You know, I have heard it's sort of crazy, but last week I did numerous news conferences, all successful. They went very well, like this is going very well.

Speaker 6 And then I didn't do any for two days, and they said there must be something wrong with him. Biden wouldn't do him for months.
You wouldn't see him.

Speaker 6 And nobody ever said there was ever anything wrong with him, and we know he wasn't in the greatest of shape. No, I heard that.
I get reports.

Speaker 6 I did numerous shows and also did a number of truths, long truths, I think pretty poignant truths. No, I was very active over the weekend.
I didn't hear that one. That's pretty serious stuff.

Speaker 6 I'm glad it's fake. Well, it's fake news.
You know, it's just so

Speaker 6 fake. That's why the media has so little credibility.

Speaker 16 So now you had Jensaki and others out there saying, I don't believe him that he didn't hear it.

Speaker 91 And, you know, as if Trump ever lies about that crap.

Speaker 64 Like, Trump would be like, yeah, I heard it.

Speaker 71 It was ridiculous.

Speaker 21 Screw them. He said, I heard reports that I wasn't doing well.

Speaker 23 Allegedly, I wasn't doing too well.

Speaker 38 Meanwhile,

Speaker 21 it was the other guy who wasn't doing well.

Speaker 53 I sent out all these truths, great truths, true truths.

Speaker 38 And he had done that throughout the days.

Speaker 21 And I misspoke before.

Speaker 12 He was seen playing golf on Saturday.

Speaker 16 So they got eyes on him on on Tuesday at a robust presser.

Speaker 50 They got eyes on him on Saturday playing golf.

Speaker 8 But we had to go Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, which led to these lunatic conspiracy theorists on the left saying he died.

Speaker 39 And then when he says, no, I didn't hear that, but that's insane. I'm fine.
It's fake news.

Speaker 21 Then they say, oh, he's lying.

Speaker 62 He did hear.

Speaker 4 What's wrong with them?

Speaker 91 These are the same people who look at our side and say, we're the conspiracy theorists.

Speaker 16 We're the people who don't believe science and truth when it's staring us in the face.

Speaker 67 I know people have called them out for Russia Gate and these other conspiracies, but truly they cannot see the truth when it's before their eyes if it has anything to do with Donald Trump.

Speaker 93 Yeah, they're completely blinded by this and they think we're still in 2016, which actually is one of the

Speaker 93 president's superpowers. They think they still matter and they don't matter, Megan.

Speaker 4 I mean, you matter.

Speaker 93 They don't matter, but they haven't realized it yet. And so they're sitting there thinking that they're controlling the narrative.

Speaker 93 And when Trump just looks at them and is like, what are you even talking about? and makes a mockery of it, it's so powerful.

Speaker 93 I mean, when you think about the extent to which he is operating on so many levels, whether it's domestic policy, the economy, immigration, foreign policy, navigating these conflicts, bringing an end to these conflicts, to wars, but also navigating India, navigating China, navigating Russia, Ukraine, and to

Speaker 73 the Smithsonian.

Speaker 93 The Smithsonian. And they're literally, if you watch channels like CNN,

Speaker 93 they take the opposite side, literally will root for our enemies.

Speaker 93 I was watching the other day, I forget which liberal channel, and they were trying to talk up China's military during the parade and say that China's military is stronger than ours.

Speaker 93 They were like, well, we don't have that and we don't have that. Are you freaking kidding me? Is that what it has come to?

Speaker 93 You are literally rooting for China's military because you know that Trump is fighting China. It's so absurd.
And thank God it's 2025 and the American people can see it for what it is.

Speaker 20 100%.

Speaker 23 Which is going to bring me in one second, by the way, it was CNN,

Speaker 61 to the blowing up of the drug cartel boat, which was amazing and suddenly has leftists supporting drug cartel boats full of drugs on their way to the United States.

Speaker 43 But before we get to that, this Wall Street Journal poll is right up your alley.

Speaker 4 The headline was, Americans lose faith that hard work leads to economic gains.

Speaker 76 It's a rather large survey, 1,500 plus adults done in July, mid-July.

Speaker 8 The share of people who say they have a good chance of improving their own standard of living fell to 25%.

Speaker 23 Just 25% of Americans believe they have a good chance of improving their standard of living. It's a record low in surveys dating back to 1987.

Speaker 16 42% say they strongly or somewhat disagree that they can improve it.

Speaker 23 More than three quarters of those polled say they lack confidence that life for the next generation will be better than their own life.

Speaker 48 I mean, that's amazing.

Speaker 77 78%, nearly 80% of Americans do not feel confident that life for our children's generation will be better than it was for us.

Speaker 52 That is just depressing.

Speaker 77 And then 70% of Americans believe that the American dream that if you work hard, you will get ahead, no longer holds true or never did.

Speaker 42 The highest level in nearly 15 years of surveys.

Speaker 70 My God, Batia, this is just so dark.

Speaker 42 I do think a lot of it comes down to homeownership and what you talked about in terms of middle-class jobs.

Speaker 78 And I think AI, too, is potentially in there because you hear about it a lot, how AI is going to be stealing all the jobs, and our children aren't going to be able to find work at all, thanks to rampant AI that has no master reeling it in.

Speaker 40 But what are your thoughts on these numbers?

Speaker 93 So I think for a long time, we saw the American dream become basically a privilege for the college educated. The working class was really cut out of it thanks to democratic policies.

Speaker 93 What we're seeing now is a lot of these over-credentialed college elites who would have 10 years ago been assured of making it into the top 10%, but now because of AI are struggling because of a lot of the entry-level white-collar jobs are being destroyed by AI.

Speaker 93 And these people are unbelievably, unbelievably resentful. A lot of them have college debt.
They were told they were very special.

Speaker 93 And at university and college, they were taught to have contempt for people who don't have a college degree.

Speaker 93 And now they come out of college and are being forced to work in industries that don't require that degree. And so they're very resentful.
This is the Mamdani base.

Speaker 93 This is what's fueling the rise of socialism.

Speaker 93 Because, in their view, you know, the ideal situation would be that you have illegal immigrants doing all of the actual work everybody else living on some sort of welfare and subsidized housing you know and then they can just kind of become podcasters right like that's their you know fantasy of the way that the economy works

Speaker 93 labor exactly is is beneath them it's really about you know it's a hatred of America but also a hatred of labor they've been taught to have immense contempt for work that requires labor um so those are the people i think think who are losing trust that they're going to be better off than their parents.

Speaker 93 But I think a much bigger thing is exactly what you pointed out, Megan. It's home ownership.
This has to become a major concern for the GOP going forward.

Speaker 93 This is what Gen Z is thinking about all the time. They're really not thinking as much about the cultural battles and the cultural issues.

Speaker 93 They're thinking about why, or Epstein, they're thinking about why they can't afford a home, which which brings me to this Lisa Cook.

Speaker 4 This

Speaker 30 story

Speaker 93 lied as you've been covering it so well on her mortgage applications, bought three homes, said each was her primary residence.

Speaker 93 Okay, a lot of people do kind of fudge that exact point in mortgage applications, but what makes it utterly unforgivable in this case is that she is sitting on the board of the organization that is preventing young people from being able to afford a home because they are insisting at the Fed at keeping interest rates high.

Speaker 93 So while this woman gathered for herself acquired home after home after home with a little bit of, you know, trickery in her paperwork, she sits there and says, but not you.

Speaker 93 I'll have three homes and you will have none. And that is what makes this the epitome of the Democratic Party, Megan.
I always say the Democratic Party is kind of like a plane.

Speaker 93 And the base are in first class. They're rich, okay? They're the top 10%.

Speaker 93 You know, we know that 65%, 70% of Americans who make over $500,000 a year now are Democrats. Okay.
This is just like nine of the 10 richest counties in America, Democrats. They're in first class.

Speaker 93 Okay.

Speaker 93 And they're basically saying to the rest of the country, we'll pay for your tickets. You can sit and coach, you know, smushed together like sardines right in the back.
You can ride for free.

Speaker 4 You know,

Speaker 93 we'll give you welfare. We'll give you a housing voucher.
We'll give you snap benefits.

Speaker 93 But don't you dare think that you can touch that little screen and come and sit in first class or have anything to say about where this

Speaker 93 or use our bathroom. We will decide all of that for you.
That is the Democratic Party and it is so epitomized by this Lisa Cook.

Speaker 90 Oh my God. There was actually a great piece of tape that we had.

Speaker 16 I I wasn't sure if we'd get to it today, but might as well play it.

Speaker 37 But this reporter, he used to work for the New York Times.

Speaker 42 This guy actually went and tracked down one of her many houses.

Speaker 38 You recall there were three.

Speaker 78 There is one in Ann Arbor, Michigan, which is very confusing because I think Ann Arbor, she worked at Michigan State. Ann Arbor is where the University of Michigan is.

Speaker 23 I think it's at least an hour away from Michigan State.

Speaker 65 So I'm not sure why she was buying an Ann Arbor.

Speaker 78 She said it would be her primary residence.

Speaker 76 It does not look like it was.

Speaker 78 And two weeks later, she bought a residence in Atlanta, Georgia, and said that was going to be her primary residence, but we don't think that was the case either.

Speaker 22 And then she also bought a house in

Speaker 16 Cambridge, Massachusetts, which she said was going to be a secondary residence, but it appears she rented it out as a rental property to bring in income.

Speaker 29 All of those were lies.

Speaker 21 You call it trickery. I say it's fraud.
It's criminal fraud, Lisa.

Speaker 31 Lisa, that's not legal.

Speaker 14 Okay, that's how it looks to me.

Speaker 16 And this journalist, Charlie LaDuff, went to the Ann Arbor home, listed as her primary residence.

Speaker 21 And guess who wasn't there?

Speaker 15 Lisa was not there.

Speaker 38 Watch what he found.

Speaker 107 The door's dirty.

Speaker 6 There's a key lockbox right there.

Speaker 6 There's a white man at the dining room table.

Speaker 87 It's weird.

Speaker 54 I don't think she's married.

Speaker 85 Hello?

Speaker 4 How are you doing?

Speaker 85 Okay, how are you? I'm good.

Speaker 94 My name's Charlie. I'm a reporter.

Speaker 94 This house is in the news. I was wondering if Lisa Cook lives here or do you rent?

Speaker 85 We're just renting this. We'll have to cook them.

Speaker 26 I'm sorry? We're just renting.

Speaker 85 We'll have to talk to you over here.

Speaker 94 Okay, you just live in here? Yeah. Okay, just renting?

Speaker 85 No comment.

Speaker 85 I'm sorry? No comment. We'll have to talk to the over the night.
Okay, the owner. After the owner, would you have a contact

Speaker 85 number?

Speaker 85 Oh.

Speaker 38 so the person inside before he realizes says quote we're just renting talk to the owner then says no comment oh my dear in any event he didn't do anything wrong but she appears to have so i mean and by the way bill pulte god bless bill pulte

Speaker 19 he's the federal housing authority guy who keeps finding all these cases from Tish James to Adam Schiff to now Lisa Cook is holding a presser tomorrow morning at 10.

Speaker 38 So on the show tomorrow, we we will have everything covered for you.

Speaker 21 We will give it for you all the latest on Lisa Cook and the others.

Speaker 46 And possibly there's a new person.

Speaker 23 We have no idea why he's holding a presser, but we'll find out.

Speaker 4 But yeah, amazing.

Speaker 62 That it doesn't even appear it's a secondary residence.

Speaker 16 The thing she said was her primary.

Speaker 70 It appears.

Speaker 16 It's a rental property like her place in Cambridge, which she said was a secondary.

Speaker 32 And you're right.

Speaker 67 As she sits there, and by the way, why did she feel the need to commit mortgage fraud if that's what she did?

Speaker 20 Because the interest rates are too high.

Speaker 15 Because she didn't think she wanted to pay or could pay right the high interest rates those are too high i've got to game the system then she gets in a position where she could do something about it and she pulls up the ladder behind her like uh f all of you like you say i'm in a first-class cabin don't touch my bathroom

Speaker 93 so right megan i hadn't even thought about that

Speaker 15 She's my favorite character in the news right now, by far.

Speaker 106 Okay, let's go back to

Speaker 38 the left being turned against.

Speaker 29 We don't like children with cancer, and we won't applaud them at the State of the Union.

Speaker 32 We don't like criminals being arrested and locked up, so we will oppose federal troops in LA and Washington, D.C.

Speaker 43 and elsewhere.

Speaker 28 And we don't like crackdowns on Trenda Aragua terrorist groups, drug cartel terrorist groups bringing drugs into the United States, which are a poison that is killing our young people.

Speaker 4 It's the number one killer of young Americans, fentanyl.

Speaker 26 100,000 plus dead the year before last and almost that last year and keep going back several years.

Speaker 9 It's taking out millions of our young people.

Speaker 16 So Trump actually did something about it and declared these drug cartels terrorist organizations, which changes the abilities.

Speaker 38 that he has to deal with them as they try to bring that poison into the United States of America.

Speaker 37 Yesterday during the pressure that he held, he called attention to the fact that he dropped a bomb on one of these drug boats he says was bringing these drugs into the United States.

Speaker 21 And here is the video.

Speaker 29 Okay, so for listening audience, you see the boat, you see some people on the boat, it's got three engines on the back, it's plowing through the waters.

Speaker 35 It's kind of a rough ride.

Speaker 42 Yours truly would be wearing my life jacket and have a life preserver around me in the moment because I'm not a good boater, specifically when it's wavy.

Speaker 23 As it would turn out, my life jacket wouldn't do anything for me because I'd be blown up

Speaker 83 like these drug cartel members were.

Speaker 71 And I have zero sympathy for them, none whatsoever.

Speaker 97 And yet the left, I mean,

Speaker 89 they're upset.

Speaker 16 Okay, we're already hearing like, what did he think he was doing?

Speaker 16 Why did he do it? Let me find it.

Speaker 96 I'm going to get you some examples.

Speaker 22 Here's the guy from Human Rights Watch, the annoying group that keeps scoring all of our corporations.

Speaker 17 And if they're not woke, they get a bad grade from Human Rights Watch.

Speaker 67 Trump admits he ordered a summary execution.

Speaker 4 The crime of murder.

Speaker 50 Drug traffickers are not combatants who can be shot on site.

Speaker 57 They are criminal suspects who must be arrested and prosecuted.

Speaker 78 Here's the former Latin America advisor to Bernie Sanders.

Speaker 34 Why didn't we just track and interdict the vessel in U.S.

Speaker 16 waters, arrest the crew, and seize the drugs as the U.S.

Speaker 8 Coast Guard routinely does?

Speaker 21 I cannot imagine the timing of the Venezuela boat strike has anything to do with this, and then posted a link to the Epstein story.

Speaker 68 What an idiot.

Speaker 67 Then there's this guy, Ed Krasenstein.

Speaker 16 These Krasenstein brothers are ridiculous personalities of the left online.

Speaker 21 All I can say is that I hope Trump is using actual evidence that these are actual drug traffickers and gang members in Venezuela, unlike what he did with the 280 plus immigrants whom he sent to Seacot prison for being gang members without any legitimate evidence in many cases.

Speaker 16 Taking human lives is a major thing.

Speaker 15 Does drug trafficking warrant death?

Speaker 46 Bacha, I can't with these people.

Speaker 4 Okay, like

Speaker 23 do they not understand what's actually happening in our country?

Speaker 76 To your point about the elites, like although drug, you know, fentanyl and all that, it's affecting everybody across classes.

Speaker 72 You know,

Speaker 22 Susan Wojecki, the CEO of YouTube, which is owned by Google.

Speaker 17 I mean, this is a very rich company.

Speaker 41 Her son unfortunately died from a fentanyl-laced pill.

Speaker 23 I mean, it's happened across classes, but these people don't seem to understand. And I pulled this sound by just to make the point, okay?

Speaker 21 Because that, like,

Speaker 42 does drug trafficking warrant death?

Speaker 11 Why didn't we just track and interdict the vessel, the vessel?

Speaker 72 Tell it to the parents who have lost their 19-year-olds to

Speaker 23 what they thought was a Xanax and turned out to be deadly fentanyl.

Speaker 78 Like, God forgive me, but the son of my dear friend, Eric Bowling, Eric Chase.

Speaker 46 And that's exactly what happened to him.

Speaker 21 He came on this show when we were just born, and we were still an audio-only podcast, so you won't see his face, but you'll hear him talking to me.

Speaker 42 This is not long after it happened.

Speaker 14 Okay, tell it to him. Watch.

Speaker 4 Come home from a restaurant.

Speaker 61 I'm sorry, love. I can feel it.

Speaker 4 That's right.

Speaker 6 So we get the call

Speaker 4 that

Speaker 85 he had

Speaker 87 taken what he felt was

Speaker 6 a Xanax that he bought on campus, and it was laced with fentanyl that he didn't know.

Speaker 87 And he passed.

Speaker 7 It's so awful, Bhaja.

Speaker 8 As a parent, I look at these people and I say, yes, the answer to your question,

Speaker 42 does drug trafficking warrant death?

Speaker 40 The answer is yes.

Speaker 81 Yes, it does.

Speaker 16 The answer to why didn't we just track and interdict the vessel in U.S. waters is because we had the right to take them out.

Speaker 65 They were here to poison our children. They were literally coming on shore to poison our children to death.

Speaker 76 I don't understand how the left doesn't see that.

Speaker 23 They don't care what happened to Eric's son.

Speaker 14 They don't care about this problem at all because they don't think it's going to affect them or they don't think it's a limousine liberal issue like paying off student loan debt.

Speaker 11 And the reason I know that is because they haven't done anything about it and they're having anything other than the reaction of applause in response to Trump's move.

Speaker 93 Watching that boat blow up, I felt the way I feel when the same European leaders who mocked Donald Trump and mocked the United States and laughed at us come to the White House now on bended knee and beg him for things.

Speaker 93 It just made me feel so proud and safe to be an American.

Speaker 93 And it's amazing to me that the left is literally coming out and saying it like, hands off our trend-a ragua, right?

Speaker 4 Like,

Speaker 93 it wasn't actually a mistake with Kilmar Garcia Obrego that he was a wife beater, human trafficker, MS-13 member. Like they didn't make a mistake.
No.

Speaker 93 If you are all of those things and you are Donald Trump's enemy, they will back you. You are their friend.
You have the Democratic Party in your corner, you know?

Speaker 93 We are all Kilmar, as AOC put it, you know, the same people who were, you know, out in pussy hats and, you know, doing Me Too movement, you know, turning turning flirting in the office into like the civil rights issue of our time, are now out here saying, hands off our wife beater, right?

Speaker 93 And it's the same thing here. How dare you kill these gangbangers coming to murder American citizens? And with this kind of moral authority, they're high on their own supply.

Speaker 93 They think that they have the moral high ground here. It's so disgusting.
And this truly is one of Donald Trump's geniuses.

Speaker 93 It's not just that he's actually making the country better and safer and more prosperous and lifting up the hardest working Americans into the American dream.

Speaker 93 It's that he manages to bring out the lowest, worst qualities in his opponents. There is no depth to which they will not sink if they think they are opposing him.

Speaker 93 And they just keep getting shown up again and again and again.

Speaker 93 There is not a single value the Democrats hold dear that they will not turn on on a dime if they think that they can use that to hurt Trump. And it's astonishing.

Speaker 23 I can't imagine, I genuinely can't imagine watching a President Biden.

Speaker 16 or a President Wes Moore do this to a drug cartel, bringing drugs into our country, and having anything other than the reaction of good for him, good for him.

Speaker 23 There are certain things where you don't get partisan.

Speaker 8 You just say, you know what, that's a defense of our borders and our children.

Speaker 23 And it's about time.

Speaker 61 We've been seeding this battle for far too long.

Speaker 49 And he's done everything he possibly can to stop down, to crack down on these people.

Speaker 38 From the tariffs, which even the New York Times admitted were changing the way these drug labs were popping up all over Mexico, because he said to Claudia Schombaum, you will crack down on these fentanyl labs or your tariffs will go up.

Speaker 57 And guess what she started doing?

Speaker 51 Cracking down on the fentanyl labs.

Speaker 71 So they started to evaporate so much so that the New York Times had to acknowledge it.

Speaker 21 He's closed the border, which makes it a lot harder.

Speaker 22 It's not that they're giving up, they're now trying to do the East Coast and the West Coast and in from Canada and so on, but he's fighting them everywhere.

Speaker 21 And now he's doing this not because that one boat had all the drugs and all the fentanyl.

Speaker 70 You know, I mean, there's just endless supplies of it, but to send a message, deterrence, here he is explaining it, SAT 28A.

Speaker 6 On the boat, you had massive amounts of drugs. We have tapes of them speaking.
It was massive amounts of drugs coming into our country to kill a lot of people. And everybody fully understands that.

Speaker 6 In fact, you see it. You see the bags of drugs all over the boat.
And they were hit, obviously. They won't be doing it again.

Speaker 6 And I think a lot of other people won't be doing it again when they watch that tape. They're going to say, let's not do this.
We have to protect our country, and we're going to.

Speaker 6 Venezuela has been a very bad actor. They've been, as you know,

Speaker 6 they've been sending millions of people into our country, many of them trendwa,

Speaker 6 some of the worst gangs, some of the worst people anywhere in the world in terms of gangs. And we had some in Washington, D.C.
We took care of them very quickly, but they're out of here. They're gone.

Speaker 6 But Venezuela has been very bad, both in terms of drugs and sending some of the worst criminals anywhere in the world into our country.

Speaker 16 Can I just say something about you that jumped out at me in that soundbite?

Speaker 43 He's sitting in the White House, and you can see some of the

Speaker 23 decoration on the fireplace behind him is now gilded.

Speaker 35 You know, Trump's big on gilding.

Speaker 23 His entire penthouse is gilded.

Speaker 30 He's gilding the inside of the White House in many areas.

Speaker 25 It's getting very gold.

Speaker 16 And, okay, it's not my personal taste for the White House.

Speaker 9 I don't care. It's like, this is the left can't stand this.

Speaker 21 But to me, his need to gild the white house is born of his need to clean up washington dc and born of his need to close the border and to bomb the drug cartel it's all part of the same package you know he wants a pristine beautiful safe white house your house my house the houses on the south side of chicago and south washington dc it's all born of the same thing it's a perfectionism it's a commitment to excellence it's an inability to settle for less or this is good enough.

Speaker 16 And I always thought people criticize his narcissism.

Speaker 78 Everyone who runs for president has a touch of narcissism, some more than you don't think Obama's a narcissist? Good lot.

Speaker 38 Good lord.

Speaker 16 Bill Clinton, you don't think he's a narcissist?

Speaker 4 Wake up.

Speaker 68 Trump's narcissism is such that you could always sense that if it could be unleashed on our behalf, it could really make a difference.

Speaker 16 And that's what I see when I see the gilding and when I see Washington, D.C.

Speaker 64 now with almost no crime crime and when I see that drug ship get blown out of the water.

Speaker 93 I think it's a little gaudy, but I love it. I mean, it's gaudy and big and tasteless in the way that America is.
We're not here to imitate Europe.

Speaker 93 We're not here to try to pretend that we have class and that, you know, we want to be like you guys. No, we have our own thing going.
We like gaudy stuff. We like big stuff.

Speaker 93 We like to make a statement. You know, we're not out here trying to like, you know, win magazine fashion awards or whatever.
You know, I like that.

Speaker 88 We wear the flowered pants,

Speaker 32 the flowered shorts when we go over to Europe.

Speaker 93 Exactly. We're in our flip-flops.
You know, we're not trying to play in.

Speaker 93 Exactly.

Speaker 93 So I think it's great. I totally agree with you.
And I think, of course, the tariffs is really the proof in the pudding. The tariffs said to Wall Street, I don't work for you.

Speaker 93 I work for the American people.

Speaker 93 And that split screen with President Obama, who in the 2008 financial crisis, he came into office right after and gave $700 billion to the very crooks who resulted in 10 million Americans losing their home, including $30 billion

Speaker 93 in bonuses. Imagine being an American who lost their home in 2008, saw the crooks who did that to you get $30 billion in bonuses.

Speaker 93 And now you're standing here and watching Donald Trump tell the entire global elite, screw you. I don't work for you.
I work for that guy who lost his home.

Speaker 93 And I'm going to get a factory back into his town so that he can get a job again and buy a new home. That's what we're seeing here, really.
Like, yeah, of course, he's Trump, right?

Speaker 93 He's got a very healthy sense of himself, but he's not just a president right now. He's a leader.
He really does see what is good for this country as the only thing that matters.

Speaker 93 And he has a theory of the case about what went wrong and how to fix it. And there's nothing he won't do in order to do that.

Speaker 93 And I think for a lot of people, even ones who don't agree with how he's doing it, they see him willing to take on the elites in the media, in finance, the economists, the experts, and say, I don't care what you think and I don't care if you call me names.

Speaker 93 I am here to serve.

Speaker 93 And that idea of service is just so totally foreign to the left. There's this real kind of theater kid mentality to everything that's going on there.

Speaker 93 You know, even in the attempts to fight Trump from Newsom and Pritzker and whatever, again, it's like hands off our crime, right? They just want the press conference.

Speaker 93 They don't actually have any policy to offer the American people to make their lives better.

Speaker 90 Hands off our crime, right?

Speaker 23 Exactly. We're watching this happen with Pritzker

Speaker 82 in

Speaker 45 Illinois, where Trump is saber-rattling about sending troops next, saying, quote, it's going to happen.

Speaker 46 That'll be interesting.

Speaker 23 I mean, it's going to be a legal battle because he's very limited in what he can do outside of Washington, D.C.

Speaker 16 He got away with sending them to L.A., sort of.

Speaker 23 He just got his hand slapped by a judge. The judge said you can leave the troops there, but they're more limited in what they can do.

Speaker 32 You can't use American troops for law enforcement.

Speaker 18 And so the judge found you did use them for some law enforcement, so you can't do that.

Speaker 20 But you can leave them there and you can do all the things that you said on paper you were going to use them for, which is more in in a supportive role of the ICE officers who you sent.

Speaker 14 So it was kind of a split-the-baby ruling for Trump out there.

Speaker 16 But you can't just send them into random cities in support of just fighting crime. Like that, you really can't do without the invitation of a governor.

Speaker 40 So we're heading for an uncomfortable showdown with Governor Pritzker in Illinois. And here's what Governor Pritzker is saying about it in SOT 17.

Speaker 86 Hi, Hi, everyone. Governor J.B.
Pritzker here. I'm here in Little Village, a beautiful part of the city.

Speaker 86 I was able to just walk down the street and say hello to some of the small business owners and patrons in those small businesses.

Speaker 86 Just a lovely day here.

Speaker 86 No emergency, so Donald Trump understands no emergency in the city of Chicago to send troops in.

Speaker 86 But I know people are very afraid because ICE officials, ICE officers are planning to come here to Little Village.

Speaker 86 And I just want people people to know that we're doing everything we can in the state and in the city to keep you safe.

Speaker 86 We'll make sure and protect your rights, but you need to know your rights and make sure that you understand

Speaker 86 that the ICE officials don't have a right to knock down doors and to take people away. But make sure you stay safe, all right? We're thinking of you and doing everything we can to protect you.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 8 Chicago is a big city.

Speaker 37 He's clearly not in the worst area because over Labor Day weekend alone, 58 people were were shot in 37 incidents around the city, including eight homicides.

Speaker 38 So we've got 58 people who were shot, eight of them dead, from 6 p.m.

Speaker 54 Friday to noon on Monday.

Speaker 16 So it's not all unicorns and rainbows, as the governor would have you believe.

Speaker 76 He doesn't want Trump's help.

Speaker 23 And Trump is kind of saying, well, you're getting it.

Speaker 37 It's coming.

Speaker 16 Here he is in SOT 20A.

Speaker 8 Both of these soundbites were from Tuesday.

Speaker 6 Well, we're going in. I didn't say when.
We're going in. When you lose, look, I have an obligation.
This isn't a political thing.

Speaker 6 I have an obligation. When we lose, when 20 people are killed over the last two and a half weeks, and 75 are shot with bullets.
So let me tell you a little story about a place called DC,

Speaker 6 District of Columbia, right here where we are. It's now a safe zone.
We have no crime.

Speaker 6 It's in such great shape. You can go and actually walk with your children, your wife, your husband.
You can walk right down the middle of the street. You're not going to be shot, Peter.
You're safe.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 73 So

Speaker 77 we can't have Trump going in without the invitation of this governor.

Speaker 69 I'm sorry, but we can't have it.

Speaker 23 He does not have the constitutional permission to do it.

Speaker 51 And I think...

Speaker 16 And I hope, I'm sorry for the people of Chicago, because I wish their governor would be better and ask for help.

Speaker 54 But I think Trump knows that.

Speaker 7 I think it was just a saber rattle because here's what he just said on it today: 20C.

Speaker 6 So we're making a determination now.

Speaker 6 Do we go to Chicago or do we go to a place like New Orleans, where we have a great governor, Jeff Landry, who wants us to come in and straighten out a very nice section of this country that's become quite, you know, quite tough, quite bad.

Speaker 6 So we're going to be going to

Speaker 6 maybe Louisiana, and you have New Orleans, which has a crime problem. We'll straighten that out in about two weeks.
It'll take us two weeks, easier than DC.

Speaker 6 But we could straighten out Chicago. All they have to do is ask us to go into Chicago if we don't have the support of some of these politicians.

Speaker 6 But I'll tell you who is supporting us, the people of Chicago. And I sort of want them to let it be known.
They have incompetent people.

Speaker 16 So he didn't finish the sentence to go into Chicago without the support of the local politicians.

Speaker 8 And I think the end of that sentence would have been, is not constitutionally permissible. It very clearly is not constitutionally permissible.

Speaker 23 He cannot do it. I really hope he doesn't do it

Speaker 40 because I don't want a world in which I'm siding with Governor Pritzker over President Trump.

Speaker 21 But I will if he does it, because he can't do it legally.

Speaker 16 However, I think that's what he's saying, Batia, that he's realized that and that he's going to send the help to cities and states that want it.

Speaker 11 And what a great way of shaming the governor Pritzkers of the world.

Speaker 93 Trump has promised to abide by the Constitution and all of the court rulings, and so far he has, something that of course the media refuses to cover.

Speaker 93 One of his most undercovered strengths is his nimbleness. He will pivot.
If he sees something is not working or if somebody shows him a better option, I totally agree with you.

Speaker 93 I think going to New Orleans, which is extremely violent, would be a great alternative.

Speaker 93 My heart really breaks for specifically the black citizens of Chicago who make up 80% of the homicide victims, just totally disproportionately represented in the crime statistics.

Speaker 93 I'll just give you a few. A black Chicagoan is 20 times more likely to be killed.
A black child is five times more likely.

Speaker 93 There's literally a crime apartheid in Chicago driven by the false pieties and disgusting leaders like J.B. Pritzker and Mayor Brandon Johnson.
It's appalling.

Speaker 93 And there's an incredible book called There Are No Children Here. It was written in the 90s about Caprini Green and the public housing and how dangerous it was.

Speaker 93 And the opening chapter It's about a child who just turned eight years old and was given a bunch of change from his mother and his uncles and his grandmother.

Speaker 93 And he's taking the change and it's in his pockets and he's so excited. He's going to go to the store and he's going to buy something he's been really, really wanting and never had any money for.

Speaker 93 And he's so excited and he walks outside and the shooting starts and he has to hit the floor and all the change goes flying everywhere and he loses it all. trying to save his life.

Speaker 93 And I was thinking about that scene when I saw

Speaker 93 from a soccer game in the south side of Chicago from over the weekend where children had to drop to the grass because they were shooting at them.

Speaker 93 It's just nonsense what Pritzker is saying. The city is not safe for the most vulnerable residents.

Speaker 80 It is so unacceptable.

Speaker 93 Exactly. So you have rich white progressives from their gated communities.

Speaker 93 You know, this is just a reprisal of the defund the police, where the most safe and secure and privileged Americans are sentencing black children to get shot at on the way to school. It is horrifying.

Speaker 93 And it is so amazing that Donald Trump wants to do something about this. He knows he got, you know, 15% of the black vote.
He doesn't care. He feels responsible for every child in this country.

Speaker 93 It's truly amazing.

Speaker 23 There's no way if this were happening in Evanston, Illinois, just north of Chicago, they'd be putting up with this.

Speaker 16 Governor Pritzker puts up with it because he's banking on people not giving a damn that it's blacks killing other blacks or Hispanics killing other Hispanics.

Speaker 4 Here he is speaking to a local reporter,

Speaker 43 NBC5 Chicago Marianne Ahern.

Speaker 40 Listen here, SOT 19.

Speaker 100 You're going to hear people, especially this past weekend. 54 shot, seven dead.

Speaker 100 They're going to say the city's not safe.

Speaker 106 Would you ask your friends to ride the L after midnight or after 9 o'clock at night even to come down to the city from O'Hare?

Speaker 4 Look, big cities have crime.

Speaker 87 There's no doubt about it.

Speaker 4 Unbelievable.

Speaker 87 Let's just pay attention to what President Trump is doing targeting Chicago. He's overlooking

Speaker 87 red states that have much higher crime rates.

Speaker 16 Trump, he just dodges. He doesn't care.

Speaker 73 He takes no responsibility for his state.

Speaker 23 Unfortunately, I have to leave with Eric because I'm out of time.

Speaker 26 But, Badia, well said on all points today.

Speaker 7 You're especially good.

Speaker 38 You're always good.

Speaker 17 You're gearing up for your big show, and I can't wait to hear more on it.

Speaker 23 Looking forward to seeing you over there, my friend.

Speaker 93 God bless you, Megan. Thank you for everything.

Speaker 8 You too, girlfriend. See you soon.

Speaker 10 Okay, and we're back tomorrow with our friend Glenn Greenwald.

Speaker 90 Looking forward to that as well.

Speaker 38 Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly Show: No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

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