Media Gaslights on Alleged Shooter's Motivations, and Charlie Kirk's Legacy, with Victor Davis Hanson | Ep. 1151

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We are continuing to follow the latest developments in the assassination of Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 15 Yesterday, the alleged killer, Tyler Robinson, was formally charged by Utah authorities, who confirmed they are seeking the death penalty for aggravated murder.

Speaker 15 The media reaction has been shocking, but not surprising, again,

Speaker 15 with reporters and pundits claiming the motive is unclear. Despite alleged shooter Tyler Robinson telling his parents, there's too much evil, and he referring to Charlie spreads too much hate.

Speaker 15 That's according to the charging documents.

Speaker 15 And in text messages to his male roommate, quote, transitioning to female, which cannot be done, Robinson wrote, referring to Kirk, quote, I had enough of his hatred.

Speaker 15 Some hate can't be negotiated out. Joining me now to react to all of this, Victor Davis Hansen.
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Speaker 16 Thank you.

Speaker 15 Victor, great to have you. Also, the author of the book, The End of Everything, which is now out in paperback.
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Speaker 15 This is such gaslighting. We went through how many days after we saw what was written on the bullets of them saying, no, don't believe what's on the bullet casings.
He was a right-winger.

Speaker 15 He came from a MAGA family, and he was MAGA.

Speaker 15 But went from days of that, by the way, here's just one example, Jimmy Kimmel.

Speaker 15 This is him on Monday refusing to acknowledge that he was a left-winger, notwithstanding the fact that we already had this information from the Utah governor that he was indoctrinated into the left-wing ideology.

Speaker 15 We saw what he had written on the bullets. Just one example of one prominent media figure refusing to accept that.
Here it is in SOT 9.

Speaker 17 We had some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it.

Speaker 15 Okay, so it's

Speaker 15 the right wing who's in denial about this young man's affiliations. By the way, he was not a kid.
He was 22 years old. We went through that.

Speaker 15 Then it was made perfectly clear over the past two days that this kid, to use Jimmy's word, has been completely indoctrinated into left-wing ideology. His parents said that.

Speaker 15 His parents said he had moved moved farther left politically. He had gotten very

Speaker 15 into

Speaker 15 the messaging of the left wing around gay rights and trans ideology.

Speaker 15 And then we see what was written on the bullet casings. And now the message is shifting from the left to,

Speaker 15 well,

Speaker 15 we still might not know his motivation, but really, who cares? Listen to CNN analyst Juliet Kayim, SAT 11B.

Speaker 17 I heard the congressman on there saying, oh, we need to tone down the rhetoric. Well, will the rhetoric get toned down?

Speaker 17 I mean, again, I go back to what was on the bullet from this kid was fascism, and that's only coming from one side currently in this debate.

Speaker 17 And it's on every placard and every poster around the country.

Speaker 19 I mean, I don't think we

Speaker 19 know the meaning

Speaker 15 of his message.

Speaker 19 We know his history.

Speaker 17 Bella Chow is an anti-fascist thing.

Speaker 22 It says fascists catch the fascists.

Speaker 16 Then I'll give you his history, right?

Speaker 19 Think about his history. His history.

Speaker 19 But this is not the point.

Speaker 24 That's why I wanted to tell you that.

Speaker 19 This was my point, not yours. This was my point, not yours.

Speaker 19 The point is,

Speaker 16 who cares?

Speaker 19 A man was killed. And you have yet to say political violence is bad, period.
That's all that people want from the president. That's all.
And we are getting the spin-up of the you and this and what.

Speaker 19 Stop counting.

Speaker 19 Stop looking. Because

Speaker 19 you're not going to divine

Speaker 19 a perfect motive in this case. I think we're looking for it.
You're not going to divine it. We generally don't.

Speaker 15 Okay, that was Friday. But she continued to double down on those sentiments as the days passed by.
And then I'll end on this one for now. CNN's Caitlin Collins with Ted Cruz.
Last night.

Speaker 15 Last night, when

Speaker 15 we heard everything, she's heard everything that you and I have heard. And this is what she says to Ted Cruz.

Speaker 22 We don't have a motive yet. We We don't know yet.
We're waiting. Obviously, we've heard what the governor's had to say with the accomplishments.

Speaker 16 We know. Come on, we don't have a motive yet.

Speaker 22 We know

Speaker 22 what's happening with really that's CNN's position.

Speaker 17 He just happened to fire the gun in celebration.

Speaker 16 You can't tell the motive.

Speaker 22 Senator, that's not what I said. And I said law enforcement hasn't laid out a direct motive.
They've laid out a lot of evidence here of these messages and what they're doing.

Speaker 16 They've said that he's a left-wing activist who hated Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 16 Pardon?

Speaker 22 Senator, with all due respect, you know exactly what I'm saying. I'm not arguing with you politically.
I'm saying that law enforcement has not put a specific motive.

Speaker 22 You know that there's a difference of what they're putting in a legal argument

Speaker 22 than what you're talking about.

Speaker 16 And

Speaker 22 we're not even arguing about the facts here.

Speaker 17 You just said is false.

Speaker 23 No. Caitlin.

Speaker 15 Good for Ted Cruz. He was 100% correct, and she was 100% wrong.
And there's a reason they won't say what we are being told.

Speaker 15 I mean, that quote about him drifting over to the left considerably and endorsing gay rights and becoming indoctrinated by trans ideology, that's from his mother. Where do we get that?

Speaker 15 Law enforcement. But Caitlin Collins will not acknowledge that, nor will any on the left who are out there pretending it's all just a mystery.
Maybe we'll never know, Victor.

Speaker 18 Yeah, I think everybody knows what's going on.

Speaker 18 They project, and what they're deathly afraid of is that someone might use this tragedy or this, not a tragedy, this act of evil in the way that they took George Floyd and they rioted for five months and when they were done they pushed through no cash bail, defund the police, BLM, DEI mandates and they feel that everybody operates in the same mindset that they do.

Speaker 18 So it's very important that they say there's no political motive here. It was probably a right-wing family.
Don't dare do what we did. And of course,

Speaker 18 the people who have been commemorating his passing never had any desire to do that. They're not rioting.
They're not arson. They're not torching courthouses or

Speaker 18 police precincts. They're not doing any of that.
They're not getting

Speaker 18 free zones in the middle of cities and but they think they'll do that and the irony about it is this was clear-cut that chat group of 20 or so people they were from one ideology.

Speaker 18 The trans lover was one from everybody in his family said he had gone hard left. So that was

Speaker 18 that was on that was unmistakable. But in the case of George Floyd, there were two things.

Speaker 18 There was a big debate whether his amphetamines or his prior COVID or his fentanyl use or resisting police had made him more vulnerable to what Officer Chauvin did.

Speaker 18 And there was a big debate about whether unarmed black men are inordinately shot as suspects.

Speaker 18 And everybody from Harvard economist Roland Fryer to the Washington Post said, given the encounters with black males between 19 and 40 with the police,

Speaker 18 and

Speaker 18 what were the percentage of the encounters versus being shot while on the arm, it was no, it was statistically no different than anybody else. And that was the fact.

Speaker 18 And yet they took that and they fabricated a whole myth that the police are on a rampage killing black males and therefore we got to get this critical race theory, critical legal theory, all these Soros DA.

Speaker 18 And they did. They had a revolution for four years.
And now they're saying to themselves, oh my gosh, that was successful. And now the right could do what we did.

Speaker 18 So we've got to nip it in the bud and stop all narratives that this was politically motivated and say it's both sides, it's a cycle of violence, and concentrate on ending assault weapons.

Speaker 18 You know, the irony is I have kind of a 30-06 that I inherited, the same rifle. It's not a mouser at, say, Springfield, but it's a bold action 30 out 6.
And

Speaker 18 when these people talked about banning assault weapons,

Speaker 18 it's very slow firing, believe me, with a bold action. And when Jasmine Crockett said,

Speaker 18 well, left-wing people can't shoot anybody that has, I'm a very bad shot, and I've been shooting that rifle since I was 12 years old.

Speaker 18 You can make that shot with an open peep site or a buckhorn sight without a scope. It's not a hard shot to do, especially in our elevated.

Speaker 18 So all this disinformation that we're going to ban assault weapons are handguns when the the gun was a deer rifle.

Speaker 18 That's what it's used for and it's a slow firing gun and for someone who's had two or three hours of experience, it's not difficult to do what this horrible person did.

Speaker 18 So all this, what I'm getting at, Megan, this is all misinformation because they're projecting and they're terrified that the right would use their methodology. And the final irony is they're not.

Speaker 18 They never had any intention of riding, protesting, driving through an agenda by using the death of Charlie Kirk in the way that they're.

Speaker 15 By the way, let me just play that Jasmine Crockett soundbite, which we have. Here it is.

Speaker 23 When we look at it, please tell me who is fostering this gun culture, right?

Speaker 23 I mean, the reality is that the average person on the left probably couldn't make a shot from 200 yards because they haven't been playing with assault rifles since they were a little kid.

Speaker 23 Like that is just the reality of how people on the left typically work.

Speaker 23 And if we believe that political violence is a problem in this country, if we believe that our children on campuses, just because they want to go out and have a day of free speech on campus, may be subjected to this kind of violence, then maybe we need to start talking about legislation that will keep these types of weapons out of certain people's hands now whether or not this gentleman would have qualified under any type of laws that many of the democrats have proposed um i don't know

Speaker 15 okay everything left wing can't shoot guns because they're not good shooters i mean i i'm sorry but didn't we have 20 children shot three weeks ago at the minneapolis school

Speaker 15 while the children were at the opening mass.

Speaker 15 That was a left-wing crazed lunatic. Seemed pretty decent with the gun, unfortunately.

Speaker 18 Yep, the person who shot Steve Scales was a former Bernie Sanders activist.

Speaker 15 The person who shot Trump?

Speaker 18 Yep, same thing. They were pretty good shots.
They seemed well acquainted. Everything she said actually was a lie.
It wasn't an assault weapon. She doesn't know what an assault weapon is.

Speaker 18 It was a bold action hunting deer rifle.

Speaker 18 As I said.

Speaker 15 But that's important, Victor, because even on the left, when they were talking about they want assault weapons bans, they think that's going to solve everything.

Speaker 15 This wouldn't have been banned. This gun would not have been banned under their assault weapons ban.

Speaker 18 There's 500,000 guns, 500 million guns in the United States, and there's no way you're going to round them all up unless you want a police state.

Speaker 18 More importantly, when she said this gun culture on the right, there is a gun culture, and it is an illegal gun culture, and it's called inner city handguns. And that's where most people are killed.

Speaker 18 It's about 7% of people.

Speaker 15 She should know that as a self-proclaimed woman from the hood, you know, if you believe her. She should.
That's her background.

Speaker 16 She does know it.

Speaker 18 She knows it. She does know it.
And she's lying as she always does.

Speaker 18 And

Speaker 18 I think after we've seen this horrific last two weeks of the murder on the light rail of Irina Zaritsu

Speaker 18 Zaritska. Yeah.
And you saw Charlie Cook and there was the Auburn murder and there was queen. I think people are just

Speaker 18 tired of all of this demagoguery.

Speaker 18 And when Jasmine, I don't know why people, I mean, Jasmine Crockett was a upper middle class kid who went to prep school, and then she gets on television and adopts this fake inner-city patois, and she spouts all this hatred and all this misinformation.

Speaker 18 And we're supposed to take her seriously.

Speaker 18 She's not a serious person. But the left is in full, you saw that with Cash Patel.
They're in a full-fledged panic because they know that this violence is coming from left, that people who are trans

Speaker 18 identify as trans are overrepresented. Not in all of the, what they do is they go back to all the shootings of the last hundred years when the trans phenomenon is about 10 years old.

Speaker 18 If you look at the most recent one, five, six incidents, and you look at what scientists, psychologists, sociologists have said about the incidence of gender dysphoria in the general population, it's about one or two people per 100,000 prior to this sensationalism and

Speaker 18 fetish. So they know all that.
And so what they're doing is transparent.

Speaker 15 Let me ask you this, because some have taken it to an even more bizarre place. You know, you've got the he's MAGA crowd into the who cares? What does it matter crowd?

Speaker 15 And then you have like a truly bizarre strain of, it was loving. He did it out of love.
This is not a hater.

Speaker 15 This is somebody who was, well, I'll let Montell Williams put it in his own words here on CNN last night, Saad 8.

Speaker 20 There are people who are trying to pigeonhole this as a leftist thing and a right thing. And what we're really talking about,

Speaker 20 hear me, because I'm going to throw you when I say this. We're talking about a love-torn child, a kid.
This is probably his first real relationship.

Speaker 20 And somebody was disparaging the person that he loved.

Speaker 20 He sat on that building for 30 minutes before he took the shot. Why did he wait until the first word trans came up? Then he took the shot.

Speaker 26 You think he heard it?

Speaker 20 He could hear it. I think he could hear it.
I think he also,

Speaker 20 I don't believe he was motivated politically. I think this was motivated emotionally.
I think this was a emotionally stunted person who literally,

Speaker 20 when I say it this way, just hear me, tried to defend his significant other, not trying to defend some ideology.

Speaker 15 Okay, not for nothing, but the lower third on that whole SOT, which was on CNN,

Speaker 15 which is Caitlin Collins Network, said docs, and

Speaker 15 they're referring to the indictment. Docs, suspect's mom said he had grown pro-gay rights, trans, pro-trans ideology.

Speaker 15 That's on CNN at an hour that follows Caitlin Collins, but the hour before Caitlin Collins was telling Ted Cruz, we don't know the motive. We just, why don't you read your lower third?

Speaker 15 It's literally referring to the indictment documents that federal officials, that state officials used to actually bring charges against him.

Speaker 15 Try reading. It could help you.
And then they platform this Montel Williams, who's lost his mind, trying to make it sound like a beautiful love story, like this guy should be valorized.

Speaker 15 And I'll let you take that one, and then we'll get to this moron, Matt Gutman, on ABC.

Speaker 18 Yeah, I don't think if anybody said that Derek Chalvin was under stress and he was trying to he had some deranged view that he was protecting his wife from inner-city crime and therefore he put his knee on everybody would have thought that that's not only absurd but amoral and sick and it would have been nobody said that and yet we're supposed to take this guy seriously and then what he's thinking it's just fantastic he's saying that the shooter went positioned himself somewhere between 150 and 200 yards away and said to himself

Speaker 18 i'm going to shoot only when a trans question comes up and I can hear it very well. And even if he could hear it on the amplification,

Speaker 18 he's going to sit there and predicate that. And what would that show if he did do that, that he loved a particular person or that he was

Speaker 18 a deranged trans activist in general, as his chat group suggested. So any way you interpret what he said is insane.
And I don't know why they put those people on.

Speaker 18 They're just continual embarrassments.

Speaker 18 They have no logic.

Speaker 16 They're irrational. Well, Well,

Speaker 15 which is so maddening because he's talking about it like as if, as if Charlie Kirk had gotten up there and said, you know, let's say this guy was in a normal or heterosexual relationship, as if Charlie had Kirk had been out there saying, you know, blonde women are all loose women and you shouldn't marry them.

Speaker 15 You know, something like, and he was with a blonde woman and he was out there to avenge his woman.

Speaker 15 Okay, that would be a bizarre set of circumstances, but I guess then you could say, all right, he was trying to stand up for his partner. This, the whole thing about the partner is political.

Speaker 15 Charlie had taken a position on the trans,

Speaker 15 whatever, it's not rights, on the trans indoctrination issue. Charlie had been very clear that a man cannot become a woman.

Speaker 15 And this guy was with a trans person in the middle of a transition and obviously connected to other trans people, if you believe what we're seeing online.

Speaker 15 And on top of that, he had a thing for furries, as evidenced by his meme, which is very hand-in-glove with the whole trans community. He wrote about it on his bullet casing.

Speaker 15 And by the way, he was subscribed or he was on a furry website, according to the FBI. So

Speaker 15 that is a political argument that's being hotly debated right now and has been for the past few years in the United States. And Charlie Kirk was very outspoken on it.

Speaker 15 How does he reduce that? to a love quarrel, a defending his love,

Speaker 15 and totally divorce it from the politics.

Speaker 18 Well, he does it. He does it because they have a list of excuses.
And excuse number one was he was apolitical.

Speaker 18 That didn't work. Excuse number two, he was a right-wing inter-maga feud narrative.
That didn't work.

Speaker 18 Now they're down to excuse three, that it was a personal love relationship that showed how trans people are so devoted to him. That didn't work.
I think

Speaker 18 all they're going to be left with is that they're going to have to go, and I think they already have, Megan, full Luigi Mangioni, that he was a heroic person that is an iconic figure and belongs in the pantheon of leftist heroes and we're going to name an opera after him and he's going I think that's next that's the fourth narrative because another thing that people don't talk about and it was true of Carlos Williams there is a general perception

Speaker 18 in these killers whether they do it out of racial motivations or ideology there's two assumptions they make.

Speaker 18 Number one, if they do it, either people will try to contextualize it or praise it, as we saw with Robinson in the left, and we saw with the mayor of Charlotte immediately she said, don't demonize the homeless.

Speaker 18 This is not race, dude, it can't rest. And they know that, that there will always be some excuse or even praise.
And second, there will not be consequences.

Speaker 18 When he went into that rail car, he had 14 times he committed a felony and never really paid a serious price. And he thought he could do almost anything and get away with it.

Speaker 18 And the same thing, if you look at the cheery attitude, oh,

Speaker 18 I thought he had to be taken out, lift up the computer, there's the note. He was acting in the same manner that he thought Luigi Mangioni was going to get off.

Speaker 18 And until we just say to ourselves, we don't really care.

Speaker 18 what your motivation is, we don't care what you say, we don't care if you have a beautiful mansion or you're homeless, we don't care if you claim that you're on that, we're just going to treat what you did.

Speaker 18 And there's going to be sure and swift punishment

Speaker 18 after your fair trial and it should you be found guilty. And that's going to be deterrent.

Speaker 18 And you may think that's biblical or ancient or old-fashioned, but there's a 2,500-year history that it works.

Speaker 15 Well, you're making a point about consequences to the actions. And when we administer the consequences, no, we shouldn't care.
We should look at the end result of what they did.

Speaker 15 Luigi killed Brian Thompson in cold blood with absolutely no justification. And that's what Tyler Robinson clearly did to Charlie.

Speaker 15 But it is valuable to know the motive when we try to figure out

Speaker 15 why did this happen and can we prevent it?

Speaker 18 Yes, that was my point. They have two things going for them.
They have a motive because they think if they act horrifically

Speaker 18 on some leftist cause, that they are going to be famous. They come out of the woodwork because

Speaker 18 they feel the general climate says people are persecuting trans. Trans people should be given exemptions.

Speaker 18 Joe Biden says half the country is semi-fascist,

Speaker 18 fascist everywhere. All of our generals have called the president a fascist, a Nazi.

Speaker 18 Mark Milley called him a fascist.

Speaker 18 So you kill a fascist and you'll be sort of like one of the assassins who tried to kill Mussolini and Hitler. You will be praised.
That's the motivation.

Speaker 18 They want to be a famous political activist who really, you know, spoke violence to power or something. And then secondly,

Speaker 16 they think I can get away with it.

Speaker 18 Yeah, they think I can get away with it.

Speaker 15 Can you imagine,

Speaker 15 God forbid anything ever happened to Barack Obama, but can you imagine if some shooter had actually taken a shot at Barack Obama and, God forbid, actually hit him?

Speaker 15 And we found out it was because he was MAGA and he was deeply offended by the deplorables comment or, you know, that Hillary had made or the bitter clingers comment that Barack Obama had made.

Speaker 15 And so he had turned on Democrats. He thought they were demonizing Republicans.

Speaker 15 And his wife, maybe this guy, the shooter in this fake scenario is an independent, but his girlfriend or his wife is Diehard MAGA.

Speaker 15 Do you think Montel Williams would be on CNN saying he, you know, he did it out of love? It was a loving thing, really. That's what did it.

Speaker 15 We all know the answer to that. And that brings me to Matt Gutman.

Speaker 18 Well, just before you, could I just say one thing?

Speaker 18 He would be banned for life, but

Speaker 18 we all know the answer to your question. You don't even have to talk about a threat of physical violence.

Speaker 18 A clown at the Missouri State Fair put on a Barack Obama mask, and he was just sort of like clowns do at rodeos, but it was a mask of Obama.

Speaker 18 And the administration went ballistic, and they banned him for life for being at that fairgrounds and rodeo. That was just wearing a mask that made fun of Obama.
So, yeah, we know the answer to that.

Speaker 15 They would not be rewriting it as a Romeo and Juliet type story. Oh, it's so sad.

Speaker 15 Look at the love he felt for his partner. He did it out of love.

Speaker 15 And not to be outdone, here's Matt Gutman, a straight news reporter, a national correspondent for ABC News, describing the text messages between the alleged shooter, Tyler Robinson, and the defendant and his girlfriend, sorry, his boyfriend who was trying to become his girlfriend, in which he kept calling the lover my love as he was confessing.

Speaker 15 I mean, he was going through line after line about how

Speaker 15 I've got to get my gun. You know, don't talk to the police, my love.
And this was this ABC News reporter's take on that.

Speaker 17 We have seen an alleged murder with such specific text messages about the alleged murder weapon, where it was hidden, how it was placed, what was on it, but also it was very touching in a way that I think many of us didn't expect.

Speaker 17 A very intimate portrait into this relationship between the suspect's roommate and the suspect himself with him repeatedly calling his roommate who was transitioning,

Speaker 17 calling him my love and I want to protect you, my love.

Speaker 17 So it was this duality of someone who the attorney said not only jeopardized the life of Charlie Kirk and the crowd but was doing it in front of children which is one of the aggravating circumstances of this case and on the other hand he was you know speaking so lovingly about his partner so a very interesting and as Pierre said riveting press conference data.

Speaker 15 First of all, he did not say in these text messages, I just want to protect you, my love. That's an invention by this reporter.
It didn't happen. Second of all, there's nothing very touching.

Speaker 15 It's not a very intimate portrait of the duality. And he refers to him, oh, the partner was identified male at birth and now identifies.
There's no such thing as identity.

Speaker 15 He's speaking all the language of the left with their buzz terms and rewriting this as a very touching love story, Victor.

Speaker 18 Yeah, well, he said that we didn't expect it. Actually, we did expect it because we've seen a long history of the left doing this.

Speaker 18 We saw the Sarnef, one of the Sarnef brothers, on the cover of Rolling Stone as if he was some photogenic movie star. We saw an opera named after Luigi Mangioni.

Speaker 18 We saw the Taylor Lorenz Gaga interview about him.

Speaker 18 I think there was somebody on cable news who said, well, Robinson might not be as iconicized as Luigi Mangioni because he wasn't as handsome. So there is an idea in the left.
It's a crystal ball. Yes.

Speaker 18 That they feel that these young killers, they try to romanticize them and try to make them into folk heroes.

Speaker 18 And part of that narrative is that they're good looking or they're intimate or they're warm or they're sincere.

Speaker 18 And what he should have said is he was talking to his murderer, the murderer was talking to his boyfriend and was talking about rationalization why he killed somebody premeditatively, but that's not what he wanted to convey.

Speaker 18 But yeah, we expect that.

Speaker 18 Every time there's a young shooter who's politically motivated from the left, we know that the left is going to romanticize him and try to make him into a Hollywood rock star or a sensitive therapeutic figure.

Speaker 15 No, they're determined.

Speaker 15 And now, by the way, today, Matt Gutman did come out, was forced to come out and say he deeply regrets that his words did not make clear what he was trying to do, which was to underscore the jarring contrast between this cold-blooded assassination of Charlie and the personal disturbing texts read aloud by the Utah County Attorney at the press conference.

Speaker 15 I'm going to say this to Matt Gutman. Ask yourself again whether, God forbid, someone like Barack Obama had been assassinated instead of Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 15 And we found the assassin's texts confessing to his lover, calling the lover my love.

Speaker 15 Do you think there's any world in which you would have gone out there and talked about how very touching the texts were, about this duality that gives us a window into their intimate relationship and used the word touching twice?

Speaker 15 We all know the answer. This is his own bias, his own priors coming up in his reporting.
And it's dangerous to reshape the narrative. You know, you talk about the Luigi thing,

Speaker 15 Victor. Yesterday in New York, as his charges were,

Speaker 15 two of the main ones were thrown out, the terrorism charge against him was thrown out by a New York City judge.

Speaker 15 There were throngs of supporters outside the courthouse, male and female. But the women were out there like Manson's girls, like in love.
with this Luigi, like he's some sort of a hero.

Speaker 15 And the guys were no better. They were dressed as like Luigi from the Super Marios thing.

Speaker 15 He's become a folk hero. And you're right.
I agree with you. It's starting on the left with respect to the Charlie killer as well.

Speaker 15 This here, listen to this. This is an undergrad student at Oberlin College.
Now, obviously, this is a leftist institution.

Speaker 15 But just here's a window into what's happening on our college campuses right now, which looks very much to me like what happened outside of the Luigi hearing and what we saw on CNN. Here's SOT 30.

Speaker 26 So the day after Charlie Kirk died, I was in class. My teacher said, I'll give you five minutes for hot takes about Charlie Kirk.
I was the only person who raised their hand.

Speaker 26 I said, I've been saying we need to bring back political assassinations. I don't feel bad and I don't think that everyone deserves the right to free speech.

Speaker 26 I think some people should be afraid to express their opinion in public. And you know what people start saying? They start saying, Oh, you know what? There was a school shooting on that same day.

Speaker 26 And how can you claim to oppose school shootings and oppose gun violence when you're now celebrating Charlie Kirk dying? As if those two forms of violence are the same.

Speaker 26 The worst thing that was said in that class was that it was a shame that Charlie Kirk died because he was such a huge figure in the right-wing movement. And now who will the left debate?

Speaker 26 Now there's no one to have like productive, productive conversations with. They used, he used that word.
Of course, everyone's saying this. They were all male students.

Speaker 26 Like there were probably five or six male students who raised their hands right after me and just responded.

Speaker 26 So yeah, it just shows that white men will always choose to empathize with the people who look like them over any of the people who that man they're glorifying ever hurt.

Speaker 16 Oh,

Speaker 15 for the listening audience, that was an Asian woman with the oversized leftist glasses. And it's, I mean, she hit it all there, Victor.
I don't feel bad.

Speaker 15 Some political assassinations are good. Not everyone has the right to free speech.

Speaker 15 And the white men in her class only stood up against her position that political assassinations need to be brought back, she said, because they identify with Charlie because he's a white man.

Speaker 15 Because only white people, white men, I guess, can feel bad about Charlie being murdered right in front of us.

Speaker 18 Yeah, and where did she learn all that? That's the question.

Speaker 18 Where does all this come?

Speaker 18 You can say it's in the media, you can say it's in public. But originally it comes from where she learned it.
It comes from the university.

Speaker 15 The wind-up to those comments talked about that, about learning in a college textbook. Absolutely.

Speaker 18 I can tell you, I'm speaking from the Stanford campus, and I know it very well.

Speaker 18 And so the trans ideology, the critical race theory, the critical legal theory, the separate dorms, the safe spaces, the separate graduations, the set-asides on admissions, the violation of the Supreme Court's civil rights rulings,

Speaker 18 all of that, that whole package of radical environmentalism, ban fossil fuels, all of that comes on the campus. And anybody knows that the administrators know it.
It's part of the culture.

Speaker 18 And anybody knows if you're a conservative or traditional speaker, you need security. I can tell you that personally.
And if you are a leftist, you have an exemption. Everybody knows that.

Speaker 18 Everybody knows the profile of the faculty. They know it's indoctrination.

Speaker 18 And that's part of the problem. We are raising an elite.
Now, notice who's not sounding off on videos. It's not the working welder.
It's not the electrician.

Speaker 18 It's not the guy who 10 hours a day is in an assembly plant with a high school education or went to trade school.

Speaker 18 It's a bi-coastal and elite group of people sometimes, and they're wealthy, they're elite, and they go to these schools and they're indoctrinated, and they feel that there's no consequences for this crazy ideology because they live in the right zip code, they have enough money, they have status, they have letters after their names, they have credentials, and they're arrogant.

Speaker 18 And that is the base now of the Mandami and the Democratic Party. It's a frustrated professional class of overeducated, ignorant people, and they feel that I am so much more moral than anybody else.

Speaker 18 I'm so much smarter and yet for some reason I can't buy a brownstone in Manhattan. Oh my gosh, I'm so brilliant.

Speaker 18 I'm coming out of Oberlin and my parents are very wealthy, but my sociology degree or my studies degree doesn't give me

Speaker 18 a brand new car. And they get frustrated and

Speaker 18 that's who they are. They're the most spoiled, entitled group of ignorant people.
And that's the sins of commission, not the omission, that they pay all this money and they're not educated.

Speaker 18 They get an English major, they don't know anything about Shakespeare because they get this stuff spoon-fed down their throat as an excuse of having to work and real study and real work and real exams.

Speaker 15 And in some families, it's indoctrination that begins right in the living room, which is just stunning and wrong. I mean, it's one thing when you blame the academy.

Speaker 15 We've been knowing about that problem and blaming them for many years.

Speaker 15 But there are some families who are totally on board with indoctrinating their children into thinking political assassinations would be great just as long as they're targeted against the right people.

Speaker 15 This clip is making the rounds on X. They've now identified this person.
I don't see a name, but they say that the husband, she's married to a lieutenant colonel for the National Guard.

Speaker 15 They say she's a preschool teacher.

Speaker 15 We have not independently confirmed that, but I can show you the video of this woman trying to deliver news to her children that Taylor Swift got engaged, but watch the lead-up to that moment here in SOT 29.

Speaker 12 I have the best news ever. What?

Speaker 24 Donald Trump died?

Speaker 26 Uh, second best news.

Speaker 24 What has it died?

Speaker 12 Okay, third best news.

Speaker 21 Did Elon Musk died?

Speaker 16 Okay, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 22 Nobody died. My best friend's getting married.

Speaker 24 Which one is it? Taylor Swift!

Speaker 21 Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey got engaged!

Speaker 15 That is so wrong.

Speaker 15 It's abuse.

Speaker 15 And by the way, there is more information from the Daily Mail described as a progressive teacher, Krista Cole, a substitute teacher at Colorado Springs Public School.

Speaker 15 She's been placed on leave over the clip. Yeah, of course.
Of course she has. She's since deleted her social media.
She took that. First of all, she did that.
She indoctrinated him.

Speaker 15 She took that video. She posted it.
The reason I see it and you see it is because because she posted, she's proud of what she's doing to her little girls there, Victor.

Speaker 18 She is, and I don't want to be reductionist, but she got her teaching credential from a school of education.

Speaker 18 She went to the university and she's part of the teachers' union if she's full-time and maybe part-time. And she understands that the school of education does not teach you any

Speaker 18 real method. It doesn't teach you any knowledge.
All it teaches you is what is left-wing indoctrination and the methods to indoctrinate people on race, gender, et cetera?

Speaker 18 And then they have a coterie of unionized teachers that if you object to that, then you're going to be socially ostracized, et cetera. And that university trains all of our teachers from K through 12.

Speaker 18 And yes, you're right, they do indoctrinate their children, but that's just an extension of what they do in the classroom. And how do you break this cycle? I think you have to do two things.

Speaker 18 I think Trump is doing the right thing to call the higher education, especially the elite, to account, but all of us have to just say, you know what?

Speaker 18 If Yale gives 80% A's or Stanford lets in 9% of their student body as white males, they're not really universities.

Speaker 18 It's no big thing to say you work at Stanford or you have a BA from Yale. It doesn't mean anything anymore.
They destroyed their, you know, they're sort of like, I don't know, Target or Bud Light.

Speaker 18 That's the way I look at it.

Speaker 18 I think if everybody, you know, and I think people are, I think a lot of parents do not want to send their kids to these schools anymore because they know they're going to come home as monsters at Thanksgiving.

Speaker 18 And so I think there's a big, a lot of things are going on, Megan, that we're not really sure of the ultimate effect because we're right in the middle of it.

Speaker 18 But there's something about the death of Charlie

Speaker 18 that followed from

Speaker 18 the death on the rail car that just it just said to people collectively, quietly, I've had enough.

Speaker 18 There's something different about the country and I'm not going to let these people in the 248th year of this country take it over. I'm just not going to let it happen.
I'm going to go out and vote.

Speaker 18 I'm going to register, and I got to do something. I think there's, it's a quiet, it's not like what we saw in 2020, but it's more powerful in some ways.

Speaker 15 You've got now 54,000 new turning point chapters having been applied for, says Turning Point, by high school students and college students. The youth has

Speaker 15 turned on the left. They saw Charlie as one of theirs, as someone who would take the time to care about them, to talk to them, even if they weren't on his side politically.

Speaker 15 And now they see what their side has done and how their side is celebrating his cold-blooded murder.

Speaker 15 That's what's driving these 54,000 new applications from a group that only had 2,000 college and high school campuses covered before Charlie's death.

Speaker 15 I mean, I can't do the math on that, but it's a huge number by which it's gone up if you want to do percentages. And it's not going to stop.

Speaker 15 I mean, the country's really deeply moved by Charlie's message, which is now ubiquitous. It's everywhere.

Speaker 15 And by the hatred that the left is showing toward him.

Speaker 15 And

Speaker 15 here, like on the subject of faith, Victor, like we

Speaker 15 Charlie's proselytizing, his messages of believing in Jesus and what Jesus would want for you and how he sees us all as God's children and believes everyone can change and in the goodness of everyone are everywhere.

Speaker 15 And these young people, many of whom are applying for these to open up TP USA chapters at their colleges or high schools, are seeing it. Here is like the opposite of the videos we've been showing.

Speaker 15 And I mean, I could have taken dozens. I have so many examples of these, but I just chose one.
This is a TikToker named Amelia Grace. And listen to her in SAT 27B.

Speaker 25 I don't know if anybody else is feeling it, but there has been this huge

Speaker 25 spiritual shift

Speaker 25 since the death of Charlie Kirk. Now, let me be very clear when I say I had no idea who this man was until the assassination.

Speaker 25 And for whatever reason, I have just been like absolutely mourning this death, like

Speaker 25 as if I knew him.

Speaker 25 I turned away from God and pretty much stopped believing in everything altogether when I was about 17 years old. I am 28 now and I am happy to say that I have recently found my way back.

Speaker 25 Let me be very clear when I say that it was not Charlie Kirk's death itself that brought me back to God,

Speaker 25 but the pure just evil

Speaker 25 that I have been seeing surrounding it. I keep seeing all of these quotes saying that

Speaker 25 if you feel

Speaker 25 this deeply about a man's death that you didn't know, it's because in your soul somewhere

Speaker 25 you knew that he was a brother in Christ.

Speaker 25 And I think that somewhere in my soul,

Speaker 25 because of this, I just felt this pull,

Speaker 25 this pull that I can't explain to just like

Speaker 25 to come back to God. I am happy to say that

Speaker 25 I have gotten my first Bible.

Speaker 25 I am giving my wife to Jesus. I am

Speaker 25 coming back to my roots.

Speaker 15 Charlie would be so proud of her. And there are so many just like her, Victor, out there reacting that way.

Speaker 18 Yeah, I think so. I did a show in late August.
I think it was the 23rd or 4th. And then I talked to him for 30 minutes, and I had gone out earlier to speak in Phoenix.

Speaker 18 What was unique about him, he wasn't just peddling a political agenda. He was trying to address, I think, root causes.
And what he talked about was

Speaker 18 the blue state model of

Speaker 18 atheism, infertility, 1.4.

Speaker 18 We talked about that. The fertility rate of the top 10 states is that's about 1.9 to 2 are red, and the bottom 1.2 to 1.3 are blue.

Speaker 18 And he talked about the age when people are getting married, it's gone way up. The age when they have their first, if any, child, child, gone way up.
The age when they can buy a house is gone way up.

Speaker 18 And it was part of a political, economic, social.

Speaker 18 cultural atmosphere in these blue cities and blue states and it's nihilistic it's suicidal It's all about personal appetites, gratification, professionalism, pseudo-education, credentialing, but it's not about we're going to have a nuclear family, two-parent family, we're going to try to have children, we're going to try to reproduce the species, we're going to try to inculcate people in the idea of a transcendent soul and body and higher deity, none of that.

Speaker 18 And he was very

Speaker 18 adroit at getting that message in comprehensible terms to young people. He's basically saying to them, you're on a campus and all of the messaging and narratives that you're receiving are nihilistic.

Speaker 18 They're suicidal. They lead to civilizational decline and destruction.
And he said it in a ⁇ he didn't say it the way I did it. He said it in a much more upbeat fashion.

Speaker 18 But that was what he was working on when he was killed. And I think it was, and that's one of the reasons, Megan, if you look at what he did, I don't think people have talked enough about it.

Speaker 18 There was a lot of reasons why Donald Trump won, but one of them, I don't know if it's the chief one, but one of the reasons was that he gained 6% of the national vote of young people from 19 to 40.

Speaker 18 But more importantly, in three states, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan, where Charlie was really active,

Speaker 18 trying to get people to register and vote,

Speaker 18 he got 17 and 18 to 23 percent higher, Trump did, than in 2020. In Michigan, the youth vote was split 49, 49.

Speaker 18 And that was largely because he and people like him were giving this message to people: you don't have to vote and reflect and be politically aligned with these messages you're getting on this campus because they're going to lead to your personal unhappiness.

Speaker 18 You're not going to have children. You're not going to be happily married.
You're not going to have a house. You're not going to want to go to church.
You're not going to believe in God.

Speaker 18 You're not going to believe in your community. You're just going to be a nihilist, cynic, skeptic, and bitter person as you age.
And all the degrees in the world are not going to to help you.

Speaker 18 All the titles, all the zip codes, all the money, it's not going to help you. That was a very powerful message.

Speaker 18 And I think that's one of the reasons Donald Trump won the election with that demographic.

Speaker 15 You know, Andrew Colvett, who's Charlie's right-hand man on his show, is

Speaker 18 he

Speaker 15 put out a tweet that read something to the effect of, we thought they were

Speaker 15 college, you know, prove me wrong type debates, whatever.

Speaker 15 We thought that's what we were doing.

Speaker 15 We We were actually doing tent revivals. I see it so clearly now, he said.
And he's right.

Speaker 15 Like, it was having the effect, whether they knew it or not, of reviving the faith of an entire generation of young people who had lost it or had never had it to begin with.

Speaker 15 Victor, how many times have we talked about wokeism as this leftist, pernicious, sick religion?

Speaker 15 And that it could even be be treated as a religion that we could object to them teaching our children in schools in the same way we would object if they just taught Islam theology in all of our K through 12 schools.

Speaker 15 It is a sick religion. And

Speaker 15 it was used. First, they got rid of religion at all.
They got rid of Christian beliefs out of the public square, out of our schools, prayers under God, all of it removed, scrubbed.

Speaker 15 And then they replaced it with this sickness, the woke mind virus, political, whatever you want to call it.

Speaker 15 But it was so unnourishing and sick and dangerous that young people genuinely started to reject it. I mean, I see that in Gen Z, in the tail end of Gen Z, even in my own house and with their friends.

Speaker 15 They rejected it. They knew it had gone too far, that it was dangerous.
And Charlie came along just at the right time with an alternative, the original.

Speaker 15 Here's this other thing that we used to have and love and lean into that was actually nourishing and enriching. And it spoke to them, Victor, and it still does.

Speaker 15 Charlie's gone, but that message is still there and resonating.

Speaker 18 Yeah, and historically, there's these periods of mass craziness. It was the first century AD in Rome when you can read novels like Petronius the Securiticon about what? trans,

Speaker 18 cross-dressing, gender reassignment, decadence, atheism, foreign cults.

Speaker 18 You saw the same thing in the French Revolution with the Jacobins, Robespierre, just a total madness where they killed 7,000 nuns. They renamed the days of the year, the days of the week.

Speaker 18 They worshiped somebody called Rattio, the divine rational deity. secularism.
We saw it with the anarchist movement in the late 19th century. So we have these periods, and this is what we're in.

Speaker 18 We're in a complete period of left-wing derangement, and it's not... The problem, Megan, is that they're not just crazy, they're dangerous, very dangerous, violent people.

Speaker 18 And they're very unhappy people. And it's usually, these movements usually start, they don't start with the lower classes or the poor.
They start from the top down or the upper middle class.

Speaker 18 And they're always based on historically envy and jealousy that I am entitled because I'm articulate and I can speak and I read and I know Voltaire and I and I know Rousseau or I've read Cicero and I deserve more and these people, these stupid people, are making money and they don't appreciate.

Speaker 18 And it's really a self-referential, self-obsessed, narcissistic cult.

Speaker 18 And it manifests itself in our lifetime at this particular moment in these movements, these crazy Antifa, Black Lives Matter, trans, but it's all got the same common denominator.

Speaker 15 Right.

Speaker 15 The ugliness of

Speaker 15 the leftist messaging. I want to, in the last minute, before we take a break,

Speaker 15 go out with the following thing. I saw it on X This Morning, and it is a song by singer Diesel for Charlie.

Speaker 15 It's called How Dare They? And I listened to it this morning and I just cried. It's really moving.
Take a listen here.

Speaker 17 Name was Charlie.

Speaker 29 Husband, daddy. Voice for the kids.
Lord, why'd it go down like that?

Speaker 29 stage lights cold as a winter rain one breath one prayer then the world went strange crowd froze up when the thunder cracked truth on a mic and a life attacked he talked about hope and a storm and land Bible in the heart and a promise in his hands but a shadow reached from a coward's perch Cut down a sun in the middle of church and I swear if the tables turned the other way y'all know there'd be fires in the streets today.

Speaker 29 But here we stand with candles and a folded flag, begging God for mercy on the road we drag.

Speaker 29 How dare they steal the breath from a faithful man?

Speaker 29 How dare they stain the grass where his boots once stand?

Speaker 29 They call us evil,

Speaker 29 point at our cross.

Speaker 29 Then pull that trigger

Speaker 29 and reckon no cause.

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Speaker 15 We absolutely have to keep talking. It's more important now than ever.
To cower, to hide, to go silent is not the answer.

Speaker 15 And all I can tell you is there is no fucking way I am canceling One Stop on this tour.

Speaker 15 Not one stop. I'm going.
I'm going to stand on these stages and I'm going to say all the things that we say all the time on this show. We're going to make it safe for me.

Speaker 15 We're going to make it safe for my team and my guests and you. We're going coast to coast and do something really important, which is say what's true and what's real to honor him.

Speaker 15 I really now more than ever would love to see you all face to face. God, I would love to see you face to face.

Speaker 15 I need to see you face to face. I am doing this tour and I would love for you to join me.
MeganKelly.com for the tickets.

Speaker 15 That song was so moving, I'm like completely floored by it that it reminded me I wanted to tell you about something else I read.

Speaker 15 And it's by our pal, Joseph Massey, our favorite poet, the official poet of the Megan Kelly Show, and hopefully of your home too, because he's amazing and he's been through a lot and he writes the most beautiful poems and self-publishes since he was canceled by the evil, truly evil poetry world,

Speaker 15 but continues to write and be there for us in times of celebration like when Trump won. and in times of mourning like right now.
And let me just read you. It's not long.
Hopefully he won't mind.

Speaker 15 I'm reading his poem in Memoriam for Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 15 Under a technicolor Utah sky, in the clear September air, in the commons made uncommon, a man spoke through riptides of Babylonian confusion, and he spoke with the light of the word of life, and that light dispelled the darkness that cannot comprehend its truth.

Speaker 15 In the clear air, the bright and open air, a man spoke, and as the sky cracked to silence him, how many mouths gasped at once a terrible hush like a rogue wave crashing.

Speaker 15 But he was not silenced. The assassin slithered into ruin, but he was not silenced.
His words extend now into time in concentric circles, further than before and further still.

Speaker 15 Martyr for truth and in truth, alive.

Speaker 15 America, may the Holy Spirit inflame and guide our tongues, and let everything that breathes praise the Lord. Let everything that breathes praise the Lord.

Speaker 15 Let everything that breathes praise the Lord. That's so beautiful by Joseph Massey.
You should definitely go to his website. Just Google Joseph Massey, and I'll take you there.

Speaker 15 You can buy his books, including America is the poem, to see more of his writings. Back with me now is Victor Davis Hansen, Victor's book.
He's got a book, and he's so worth reading.

Speaker 15 You'll learn everything you need to know in life if you just read VDH. It's the end of everything.
It's out now in paperback this month, and it's been updated with new information, so check it out.

Speaker 15 And VDH will be joining, yours truly, on the Megan Kelly Live Tour. He and I will be coming to Bakersfield, California on November 20th together.

Speaker 15 And that happens to be the tour stop where Charlie was supposed to join as well. But the tour goes on.
We must continue and we really hope that we will see you there.

Speaker 15 Obviously, we will be thinking about Charlie that night. And I'm really honored, Victor, that you're going to come.

Speaker 15 You know, that notwithstanding what you said about security, and I understand it, you know, intimately, that you're going to come.

Speaker 15 And everybody should know you can get tickets to see Victor and yours truly and the entire tour at megankelly.com.

Speaker 15 But my true gratitude to you, Victor, for saying yes in the first place and saying yes, notwithstanding what's happened.

Speaker 18 Well, I'm looking forward to it. And I actually live about an hour and a half away, or two hour and a half away.
And Bakersfield is one of my favorite cities.

Speaker 18 It's actually in kind of a renaissance now, so it's a wonderful place. And I always like going there.
I go there a lot. So

Speaker 15 it's going to be, you know, it's going to be an emotional one. I think of like all the tour stops that are we're looking at.

Speaker 15 That one's going to be very emotional since Charlie was supposed to be there. And we're going to Glendale, Arizona, which is right by where he lived, which will also be an emotional one.

Speaker 15 But, you know, our general hope is to keep it fun and upbeat and you know exciting and a great time for the audience. But there's moments, you know,

Speaker 15 as my daughter used to call them,

Speaker 15 not tears of joy, but joy of tears. Sometimes you can have joy of tears.
They can be cathartic.

Speaker 15 Ideally, you can laugh through them and you can find moments of levity, notwithstanding the moments of sadness we're all feeling. I want to tell you that

Speaker 15 all week, Charlie's team has been having people who were close to Charlie guest host his show. On Monday, it was J.D.
Vance.

Speaker 15 Yesterday, it was the guys from the Daily Wire, Ben Shapiro, Matt Walsh, and Michael Knowles.

Speaker 15 And today, it's Glenn Beck. And Glenn,

Speaker 15 you know, in the James Rosen obit on Charlie, he, I think, mentioned this, but

Speaker 15 Glenn is the person like Charlie looked up to. He lived for Rush Limbaugh when he was in high school, and he loved Glenn Beck.

Speaker 15 And he tweeted at Glenn Beck: I'm a 17-year-old in like a liberal high school.

Speaker 15 I'm standing up with the Tea Party

Speaker 15 for, you know, limited government spending. Can't remember exactly how he put it, but said something like, fight liberal bias.
And he added

Speaker 15 Glenn Beck on his tweet, and they've known each other a long time. And Glenn showed up there today with the microphone of Rush Limbaugh, which Rush's widow, Catherine, gave to him after Rush passed.

Speaker 15 Watch this.

Speaker 17 Brought something with with me today that I thought was appropriate while I did the show:

Speaker 17 that I would sit in front of Charlie's microphone.

Speaker 17 It was given to me after the death of Rush Limbaugh by his wife.

Speaker 17 It is Rush's golden microphone.

Speaker 15 Sweet Glenn.

Speaker 15 Glenn, overcome by emotion there. It's hard, Victor.
You know, it's been a very tough week. I think a lot of us are feeling it, just feeling even people who didn't know Charlie.

Speaker 15 I've heard from, I mean, thousands of people, and I've seen their testimonials on the internet. People are feeling it so deeply because they feel like they knew Charlie.

Speaker 15 You know, all these videos, and there's endless tape of him,

Speaker 15 have really made a difference. People are like seriously in mourning, even people who were strangers to him.

Speaker 18 It's in Europe. I cannot believe it.
It's worldwide. There's people who

Speaker 18 feel that he, even though he wasn't speaking to Ireland or Britain or Greece or France or Italy in particular, that the message resonated with them and they understood that they were in a dilemma.

Speaker 18 and that

Speaker 18 sort of the problem that he outlined and the solutions that he offered applied to them, and they appreciated that, especially given that they were demonized by the same forces that he was. So

Speaker 18 he's becoming kind of a mythical person. Not that he wasn't a real person with all that achievement, but

Speaker 18 I don't think the left had any idea what they did.

Speaker 18 They had no idea. They had no idea.

Speaker 15 And they must be scared now. I mean, that would explain some of

Speaker 15 the disassembling.

Speaker 15 They had a memorial for him two nights ago at arizona state university and it was packed they they did the you know iphone on we used to do it with candles or your like your lighter they did the iphone on lights look at this

Speaker 15 i mean just tens of thousands from the look of it showed up

Speaker 15 and wall to wall we we saw the march look at this definitely tens of thousands of people the march in great britain which was you know by tommy robinson for great britain's independence from from this incredible fascist overreach there.

Speaker 15 And by that, I mean the takeover of illegals, the crackdown on free speech, which is also for Charlie had

Speaker 15 between one and three million people out there. It was crazy the numbers.
They were chanting Charlie's name, South Korea same.

Speaker 15 He was in Japan,

Speaker 15 not this past Sunday, obviously he passed a week ago today, but the Sunday before he died.

Speaker 15 And

Speaker 15 he, a friend of mine, oh gosh, I want to make sure I I get it right. A friend of mine told me a story about Charlie texting him because

Speaker 15 this friend had been to Japan a bunch of times and I think has a home there. And he told me the following.
He called me on Sunday night from Japan before a speech.

Speaker 15 We talked about how some there don't like General MacArthur and what he did there. Charlie said he loved MacArthur and had named his son's middle name after him.

Speaker 15 He was so proud of his last speech in Japan because it really was a spiritual one for him.

Speaker 15 What I see on the internet right now is like person after person getting it, seeing it. And I want to show you just one example here.
This is a bunch of kids.

Speaker 15 For the listening audience, we're going to play this in SOP 42. It's per MyGSD Nation on Instagram.
The kids in this video I'm about to show are largely single digits, maybe up to 10. Let's watch.

Speaker 24 I am Charlie Kirk. I am Charlie Kirk.
I am Charlie Kirk. I am Charlie Kirk.
I am Charlie Kirk. I am Charlie Kirk.
I am Charlie Kirk. I am Charlie Kirk.
I am Charlie Kirk. I am Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 24 I am Charlie Kirk. I am Charlie Kirk.
I am Charlie Kirk. I am Charlie Kirk.
I am Charlie Kirk. I am Charlie Kirk.
I am Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 31 I am Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 15 And we are just getting started.

Speaker 17 You guys give me great hope. God bless you.

Speaker 16 Oh,

Speaker 15 that's the left's worst nightmare because

Speaker 15 we're finally, finally going to fight for the children. Our side of rationality and reason, Victor, is finally not going to seed the children anymore.

Speaker 18 Yeah, and I think, you know, traditionally an administration loses badly the midterms, but

Speaker 18 I think they're also scared when you saw the spectacle they had put on on with Cash Patel.

Speaker 18 I'd never seen anything like what

Speaker 18 Corey Booker or Adam Schiff. They were crazy.
They were insane. Just the vitriol and anger.
And I think a lot of it's panic.

Speaker 18 And if people really want to commemorate a voting age, Charlie Cook, they'll go out and register and they will vote a year a little over a year from now.

Speaker 18 And I think they will readdress what should happen to every president. They lose the first midterms and their agenda gets derailed.
But I don't think that's going to happen.

Speaker 18 I think for the first time,

Speaker 18 as I watch this, I think there's going to be a continual outpouring of support for what he stood for, and people are going to make a difference politically.

Speaker 18 And I think that's one of the reasons that you saw that spectacle of the hearings. And in general, the paranoia among the Democratic Senate.

Speaker 15 I'm definitely going to get to that. Oh, we'll get to the cash thing next.
A couple more minutes on Charlie before we do. I've been wanting to show this soundbite for days now.

Speaker 15 It's on the topic of faith and Charlie's insistence, no matter who he was across from, that it could play a meaningful role in their life in making it better.

Speaker 15 This is Charlie with a group of porn stars and OnlyFans models

Speaker 15 speaking to them directly. The same truth he said everywhere.
This is the man that the left wants to tell us now was hateful. SOT 41.

Speaker 27 Thank you guys for a respectful conversation, even though we see things very differently. And if you're engaged in the creation of that content, I think God has a better plan for you.

Speaker 27 I know that might sound preachy and not what you want to hear, but maybe you'll have an encounter with God and Jesus loves all of you and he can transform your life. He transformed my life.

Speaker 27 And every day is a new day and it's a hopeful, beautiful life ahead of you. And God loves every single one of us.
We're all sinners. And Jesus died.

Speaker 15 I mean, you've definitely been the most respectful one that I've seen.

Speaker 16 Well, thank you. That's very

Speaker 27 kind. And I can tell you, it's not me.
If it was me, I'd be yelling and screaming. It's the Holy Spirit.
It really is. I know it might sound silly.

Speaker 27 It might sound cliche, but Jesus has gone to work on my life. And so, God bless you guys.
Thank you for a great discussion.

Speaker 15 Charlie, thank you for coming.

Speaker 15 He had just spent two hours talking to them about what they do and why they do it. And that's how he treated them with respect.
You see that in every video, Victor.

Speaker 15 The people, even when people came up disrespectfully to him and the crowd would sometimes jeer them, Charlie would quiet them down and say, stop, let them speak.

Speaker 18 Yeah, you know, another aspect that people don't talk about him, but the times that I've talked to him, he left college when he was 18,

Speaker 18 but he was a voracious learner. Every time I had talked to him, he was asking what books to read, and he was on,

Speaker 18 he said he was always on a Hillsdale online course. He was self-taught, but the upside of all that was he was never,

Speaker 18 he knew what the university was about, but, and he, because he was on all these campuses, but he wasn't a product of it.

Speaker 18 And I'm saying, I know the university does a lot of great things, especially in the STEM and math things, but in the humanities and social sciences, it has a toxic effect.

Speaker 18 And I think one of the strengths of his, that he wasn't,

Speaker 18 he didn't spend a lot of his life as a student, and he spent it instead with working class people and people who did not go to college.

Speaker 18 And then he used that earthiness and accessibility and skill in talking to normal people and went back to the campus and talked to these people with respect, but he didn't talk like an academic or a professor or a fellow student to them.

Speaker 18 And that was new to them. And they had never, they don't, they don't, they're in an insular world, but he wasn't part of that world, but he took

Speaker 18 the idea of working class and middle class America to that world because he had not been in college, but he had been self-educated.

Speaker 18 So he was articulate, he was knowledgeable, but he was able to communicate to these students in a different way. He wasn't, you know, he didn't have that nasal, twangy voice.

Speaker 18 He did not talk about as if he was degreed or credentialed. But, and he knew how to talk to people.
And he considered them the students people, not students.

Speaker 18 And that was one of the reasons he was very effective.

Speaker 15 The,

Speaker 15 you know, the gaslighting about his killer. motives and all that we talked about in our first hour.
There were two soundbites I didn't get to that I want to. There's a second one from Matt Gutman.

Speaker 15 I've got to play it. It's SOT 6.

Speaker 17 It's heartbreaking on so many levels, Kira.

Speaker 17 Obviously, Charlie Kirk was murdered brutally in front of a crowd of thousands of people who watched him being shot through the neck and then essentially bleed out in front of him.

Speaker 17 And on the other hand, there is this duality of a very

Speaker 17 portrait of a very human person, a very human experience from this entire family, as you mentioned it.

Speaker 17 The mother essentially discovered that it was her son who had done this, the kid who had got a 34 out of 36 on the ACTs, who had a 4.0, who got a full ride to college here.

Speaker 17 And I don't think I've ever experienced a press conference in which we've read text messages that are A, so fulsome, so robust, so apparently, allegedly self-incriminating, and yet on the other hand, so touching, right?

Speaker 17 With the suspect reaching out to his roommate, who is allegedly his boyfriend, who we understand

Speaker 17 identified as male at birth, now identifies as female, and the terminology he used. He was trying to protect him.
He kept calling him, my love, my reason for doing this is to protect you.

Speaker 17 But also

Speaker 17 to delete the messages and not speak to law enforcement. So there's this heartbreaking duality that we're seeing very tragically playing out.

Speaker 16 Oh, okay.

Speaker 15 We already, I mean, it's heartbreaking on so many levels. It's heartbreaking on one level.
One level. Keep going.

Speaker 18 They're going to have to kid him off. He's done so much damage to the ABC.
I mean, he's a pop philosopher. He's half-educated.
He's a fool.

Speaker 18 And that therapeutic gobbledygook, it just sounds so amoral and senseless, stupid.

Speaker 18 And I don't know why they'd have him on there because he thinks that he's some kind of philosophical persona and he's going to enlighten us. But he just

Speaker 18 proves how stupid he is and heartless.

Speaker 15 He was already suspended by ABC when Kobe died for erroneously reporting that all of Kobe's children had been killed in that helicopter crash.

Speaker 15 So he doesn't appear to be all that careful because here again, he makes factual errors in addition to tonality and emotionality errors.

Speaker 18 The only question I have about his inner circle is

Speaker 18 did they notify the police the nanosecond they found out?

Speaker 18 I know that as a parent you always worry about what your children are doing, but when you find out that your best friend or your lover, so-called lover or someone

Speaker 18 in your household is a likely killer,

Speaker 18 how long do you wait? That's all I want to know.

Speaker 18 I want to know if some of the people on that chat list had prior warning or he discussed things in a manner in which if somebody had come forward and said he's saying things or he's imagining things that are really dangerous and we need to, you need to take a look at him, if that would have made a difference.

Speaker 18 That's all my concern, but I don't find anything

Speaker 18 moving or loving about anything he said. Not one shot.

Speaker 15 I don't either.

Speaker 15 You know, a lot of people have said that

Speaker 15 they may not believe that these text messages are from the shooter because they sound so like they have punctuation. They have capitalization.

Speaker 15 And I get it because trust me, I have two teenagers and a 12-year-old too. And I mean, I'll write my kids these long, flowery texts like, I love you.
I'm so proud of you. We'll meet you at the event.

Speaker 15 We can't wait to see you. And then I'll get back, Kay.

Speaker 15 You know, that's how young people text. And I get that.

Speaker 15 But it appears that this guy's other writings, because we do have some of his correspondence in like the Discord chats he was in, this gamer website, they also seem to track consistently with the way he wrote in these texts.

Speaker 15 We went through all these on a lot of them on AM update, but I'll just read the audience sums because we've referenced them a few times and it's frustrating not to hear them. Robinson texts,

Speaker 16 the lover,

Speaker 15 I'm still okay, my love, but I'm stuck in Orem for a little while while longer yet. Shouldn't be long until I can come home, but I got to grab my rifle still.

Speaker 15 To be honest, I had hoped to keep this secret till I died of old age. I'm sorry to involve you.
Roommate, you weren't the one who did it, right? Robinson, I am. I'm sorry.

Speaker 15 Roommate, I thought they caught the person. Robinson, no, they grabbed some crazy old dude that interrogated someone in similar clothing.

Speaker 15 I'd planned to grab my rifle from my drop point shortly after, but most of that side of town got locked down. It's quiet, almost enough to get out, but there's one vehicle lingering.
Roommate, why?

Speaker 15 Robinson, why did I do it? Roommate, yeah. Robinson, I had enough of his hatred.
Some hate can't be negotiated out. If I'm able to grab my rifle unseen, I will have left no evidence.

Speaker 15 Going to attempt to retrieve it again. Hopefully they've moved on.
I haven't seen anything about them finding it. Roommate, how long have you been planning this?

Speaker 15 Robinson, a bit over a week, I believe. I can get close to it, but there is a squad car parked right by it.
I think they already swept that spot, but I don't want to chance it.

Speaker 15 Robinson, I'm wishing I had circled back and grabbed it as soon as I got to my vehicle. I'm worried what my old man would do if I didn't bring it back.
Bring back grandpa's rifle.

Speaker 15 I don't know if it had a serial number, but it wouldn't trace to me. I worry about Prince.
I had to leave it in a bush where I changed outfits, didn't have the ability or time to bring it with.

Speaker 15 I might have to abandon it and hope they don't find Prince. How the F will I explain losing it to my old man? Only thing I left was the rifle wrapped in a towel.
Remember how I was engraving bullets?

Speaker 15 The effing messages are mostly a big meme. If I see notices bulge anywhere on Fox News, he says, I might have a stroke.
All right, I'm going to have to leave it. That really effing sucks.

Speaker 15 I mean, Victor, first of all,

Speaker 15 there's nothing heartbreaking about that. There's nothing about

Speaker 15 the humanity.

Speaker 15 There's nothing touching about it whatsoever. This is a cold-blooded killer who's in the full body of the text messages says, guess that rifle really works.

Speaker 15 Haha, granddad's rifle really, really got it done. So there's nothing touching.

Speaker 15 But I will say, like, the full, the full confession in there that hits like every detail, I see why there are many people online who are like, this can't be real. I mean,

Speaker 15 have you heard that? Have you read any of those pieces?

Speaker 18 Well, I have, but I do think it's real. And they'll have forensics that can probably go onto his phone if he wrote it from a phone or computer and

Speaker 18 they can look at all of his messages and the grammar and the syntax and see to what degree, if any, these are different. So they'll find out very quickly if they haven't already.

Speaker 18 But what bothered me about it was he just blew apart somebody's neck and he's worried about whether his dad's going to get mad at him about the rifle.

Speaker 18 Two, he obviously thinks it and he thinks he's going to get away with it and live to an old age about it.

Speaker 18 And three, I would like to know the time differential from the moment he said to the so-called partner, I did it,

Speaker 18 till when law enforcement was notified.

Speaker 15 Oh, yeah, the roommate did not notify law enforcement.

Speaker 16 They went to him

Speaker 18 because as I understand the law, you're not, if you have reason to believe that he's kidding or that just you don't have to. But that wasn't kidding.
He was very explicit.

Speaker 18 And then especially when he referenced, you saw me, I think I heard that right, carving the bullets or, you know, engraving the bullets.

Speaker 18 That means that this person knew that he was actually engraving message on a bullet and that he had confessed, and this person did not come forward while there was a Herculean effort to find him.

Speaker 18 And so I think there's going to be a lot of people that were...

Speaker 18 either privy to what he was doing before that or had a good inclination of what he was doing or in the immediate aftermath of Charlie's death knew about it before law enforcement was notified.

Speaker 18 And if that's true, I think there's going to be a lot of co-conspirators.

Speaker 15 Part of it reads to me like, I agree with you, the roommate knew. I think the roommate probably knew in advance.
And I think some of that exchange may have been pre-set up between them.

Speaker 15 You know, like,

Speaker 15 I'm going to, I'll give you the big reveal just in case I get caught. I'll at least get you off the hook by, I'll be telling you, you'll be in disbelief.
Oh, I'm shocked, shock. It was you?

Speaker 15 What do you, I mean, that's kind of how it read to me.

Speaker 15 Because, yeah, you're the roommate.

Speaker 16 You see him engraving bullets with Christmas bulges and

Speaker 15 anti-fat, like catch this fascist. And, you know, you don't say anything.

Speaker 15 And by the way, we're still not to the bottom of all these trans activists or trans people online who are saying, wait until September 10th. Something big is

Speaker 15 coming. Charlie Kirk should be evaporated.
You just wait. We got him.
You know, maybe it's just chatter. Maybe not.
But I do believe the FBI is going to get to the bottom of that real quick.

Speaker 15 And if this guy, this roommate, who now the left is like, oh, he's so cooperative, they're so thrilled that there's a trans person involved.

Speaker 15 They don't like that piece of it, but they're like, he's cooperative, like he's some sort of a hero. He didn't call the police when he had this exchange.
It was the parents.

Speaker 18 That's a great point because as soon as I heard that, I thought, why are the police, he's not cooperative. He didn't.

Speaker 18 He may have, when they confronted him and said, if you don't tell us, you're facing conspiracy to commit murder and that

Speaker 18 can be a life sentence. Now, are you going to talk? Maybe he did, but he didn't come forward voluntarily when they were in an active investigation and shortened the process to finding him.

Speaker 18 And the other people who may have known didn't.

Speaker 18 And I don't think that the shooter meant to say you saw me or you knew that I was engraving the bullets because that gave it away that maybe if that conversation was concocted to give him an alibi, that's not going to work because that does show that this guy was in the room perhaps and saw him doing that or was told that he was engraving bullets and then maybe he knew the messaging and etc.

Speaker 15 Nobody just

Speaker 15 posted online yesterday and I do

Speaker 15 have empathy for the parents. I do.

Speaker 15 I cannot imagine.

Speaker 15 It's his fault. It's not his parents' fault.
And they seem like they were good parents by what we've read so far. But I do have questions.

Speaker 15 I do have questions that I'd like to see answered about the parents because obviously this kid went, whatever, kid, yeah, now I'm doing what they did.

Speaker 15 This young man at some point went south and something infected his brain. You know, he got sucked into this far-left ideology.

Speaker 15 He was gaming too often from the sound of it, got very into this online culture of the gaming world and went into some sort of a downward spiral.

Speaker 15 And what I did see online was the mother when he was about 10 showing this big gaming system she had purchased for him when he's wearing the headphones, and her being like, We're never going to get him away from this now, or something to that effect.

Speaker 15 And that's exactly, of course, part of the problem. You know, there are a lot of parents who do seed their child rearing to game consoles, and it becomes a babysitter.

Speaker 15 I don't know whether that's what happened here, but it's something I'd like to have an answer to, and to figure out exactly how he went from

Speaker 15 that guy that Matt Gutman was talking about, 4.0,

Speaker 15 nearly a perfect score on the ACTs and an eight semester scholarship to the University of Utah to left University of Utah after one semester, enrolled in a technical school, started dating a trans furry,

Speaker 15 and

Speaker 15 decides it's his right to take another life because he feels that person's full of hate.

Speaker 18 Yeah, it's easy to double guess, but if I was a parent, and I saw this transition in my son, and I am a parent of a son, and I saw him talking, and according to some reports, he was talking very radically,

Speaker 18 and he, in political terms, very radically. I don't think that I would allow him to have his grandfather's 30-out six.

Speaker 18 And I don't know where he got it or whether the parents knew it, but I would, the first thing I would do is say to him, you're not going to be anywhere near a gun, and I'm going to lock them up.

Speaker 18 Because the way you're talking and the change in your lifestyle and the anger that you express is not healthy.

Speaker 18 And so, the idea that he borrowed his grandfather's gun and he was very worried that he was going to get in trouble if he didn't bring it back.

Speaker 18 I just don't get that. I don't see anybody who had such evidence that he was undergoing a radical transformation and he hated Charlie Kirk.
And apparently, he expressed that at dinner or as a guest.

Speaker 15 And mentioned this event.

Speaker 18 He mentioned that event. Why in the world did he have access to the family armory? I don't understand that at all.

Speaker 15 It may have been a gift to him. I'm not sure where I read that.
But even so, he's only 22. If you gave it, you can go get it.
You're the parent still.

Speaker 15 You never stop being the parent.

Speaker 18 Yes.

Speaker 18 And how would they know if he said, I'm afraid they're going to find out that I lost it? Well, how would they know he've lost it if it was his? And, you know, does he report back every week?

Speaker 18 I still have grandfather's gun.

Speaker 15 Well, here's what happened. But that is spelled out in some of the text messages or by the police at at the presser yesterday.
I'm trying to remember who said it, the DA.

Speaker 15 The dad, this is very eerie, very eerie when you think about it. The dad saw the pictures.

Speaker 15 I think first the mom saw the pictures on TV that the FBI released and she knew it was him.

Speaker 15 She recognized her son and she called the dad. And the dad recognized him too.
They both thought it was their son.

Speaker 15 And then they saw the picture the FBI released of the gun, gun, which they found in that nearby wooded area.

Speaker 15 So they might have recognized that gun as the dad's father's, his own father's gun that they had gifted to Tyler, the suspected shooter. And they were putting two and two together.

Speaker 15 And then the dad called Tyler to see if he would pick up, to see where he was.

Speaker 15 And that's why Tyler is referencing, my dad's calling right now in these longer form, in the longer version of the text message. He's saying he's calling RN right now.

Speaker 15 And he, I think, didn't talk to him. He did talk to the mom and he claimed he was homesick that day.

Speaker 15 This is on the 11th, the day after the event, and that he'd been homesick on the day before, September 10th. But I do, I do wonder

Speaker 15 the parents seem to know awfully quickly that it was their son. And it doesn't seem to have been like full of denial.
Like there's no way, you know? So I bet there's more to the story.

Speaker 15 That's all I'm saying. I bet there's more to it.

Speaker 15 I bet you that one videotape of him, you guys, can we pull that over of him when he got his scholarship into utah university and the mother's like he's he's opening up the letter and the mother is like yay i think it's the mother forgive me she's off cam but you can hear him join in with the cheer at the end and he sounds off victor he sounds off and this is right at the precipice of becoming a man he's i think 18 or so in this video It's just as he's going off to college.

Speaker 15 And this is when, in that 18 to 25-year-old period, that we see some sort of a psychotic break or some sort of break with a lot of young men, did they know something more?

Speaker 15 And I'm not trying to blame them. And this is not like it's the parents' fault.

Speaker 15 It's we as a free society need to know what, if any, warning signs were there so we can prevent something like this from happening again. We have it.
Here's the video.

Speaker 18 Okay.

Speaker 32 Congratulations. You have been selected to receive the resident presidential scholarship from Utah State University.
The value of this scholarship is approximately approximately $32,000.

Speaker 15 This scholarship is available for four years or eight semesters.

Speaker 15 There's just something off. I mean, I can see it, and I'm sure my audience knows it too.
There's something off. Anyway, your thoughts on it.

Speaker 18 I just

Speaker 18 confused. I know that the law enforcement and the prosecutor were very careful not to prejudice their case and imply something they didn't have factual evidence.
I respect that.

Speaker 18 But I just, there's something about the narrative that

Speaker 18 the family was shocked. They had no idea.
As soon as they got the message, they immediately called law enforcement.

Speaker 18 The lover or whatever he was was completely cooperative. He's just helping us.
There's just something about it. It doesn't

Speaker 18 ring accurate or it's strained.

Speaker 18 Whereas I think there were people who, in the case of the lover or the associates on the chat line, had a good idea what was going on.

Speaker 18 And there were other people in that community that thought September 10th was going to be an iconic date. And I think these people did not come forward.

Speaker 18 And I think there might have been people in the family that hesitated too long, but that's just my own.

Speaker 18 And I think they were naive about the mental status of their own son and his access to a very powerful gun.

Speaker 18 And the fact that he knew that he was responsible for that gun and worried about not getting it back or that they would find out that it was no longer in his possession shows that they were aware that he had it and it was important to him.

Speaker 18 And

Speaker 15 as you can see, the hate building,

Speaker 15 specific mentions of an upcoming event, him withdrawing more and more from you, him

Speaker 15 going over to left-wing ideology, him embracing, in the mother's own words,

Speaker 15 gay rights and trans ideology, now dating a trans furry. I don't know whether they knew that or they didn't, but they should have.

Speaker 15 All these, these are potential. Yeah, they're not potential.
They are warning signs that someone is having a mental health deterioration.

Speaker 18 I agree. They are.
And

Speaker 18 I don't know what to say. The whole thing,

Speaker 18 what's sad is that when you looked at the security, everybody said he didn't have good security, but it was more like he didn't have any security because you look at where he was talking and you just survey about four rooftops and you would just think, I want one person on one of them with binoculars

Speaker 18 and a microphone so they can see if there's anybody up there. I don't.

Speaker 15 I still don't know. I still, I actually, I hope we find out exactly what the extent of the security was.

Speaker 15 and how this failure happened, same as we found out, you know, after Butler, how the Secret Service failed.

Speaker 15 Not to blame people, not to, not to, you know, this wasn't a presidential event. In fairness to the security guards, it wasn't.
But there must be some reason why

Speaker 15 they chose to have the event in such an open-air arena, like where a shooter could easily get up and fire straight down at Charlie. I think that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 16 I really, really hope

Speaker 15 that that's taken into mind in any future public events. Go ahead, Victor.

Speaker 18 Yeah, I just think if you're Donald Trump, I get worried when I see Donald Trump walking walking into a restaurant, you know what I mean, and there's people that he's arguing with him.

Speaker 18 I just think that if you're a major Republican politician or you're a political activist,

Speaker 18 that there, because of the reaction to Charlie's death, that there are going to be a lot of people who still believe that if they were to do harm to you,

Speaker 18 kill you or wound you, that people would not mind at all, that they might get out of it. There might not be swift accountability, legal accountability, and they would be praised.

Speaker 18 And then that creates a climate in which I think

Speaker 18 we're in a new era.

Speaker 18 In the United States, we've had political assassinations, but unlike Europe or Mexico or Latin America, we don't go after media people.

Speaker 18 We have in the past, but not high-profile media. And he was a media person, podcaster, writer.
And so it's kind of like a journalist now in Europe or Mexico that's taken out.

Speaker 18 And

Speaker 18 that's a bad precedent. I think we crossed a river, the Rubicon, and

Speaker 18 it's going to be very, I think everybody's going to have to be very careful because I think there's a lot of people.

Speaker 18 I was on UU the day and I said, I think you're going to see a lot of sympathy with the killer. We didn't know who it was, but I had no idea.

Speaker 18 of the kind of stuff that we've watched and that you played today.

Speaker 15 Well, and let's face it, I mean, you're right, but the people who need to worry are the people who are, you know, pundits or journalists or podcasts on the right.

Speaker 15 It's, it's those of us on the right who are getting shot down and killed.

Speaker 16 So,

Speaker 15 you know, as much as Abby Phillip or whoever wants to pretend this is a both sides situation, it isn't.

Speaker 16 Who, like,

Speaker 15 the only example they keep pointing to, they're two. They point to Paul Pelosi.
The guy who broke into the Paul Pelosi house and attacked Paul Pelosi was not a Republican.

Speaker 15 He was a pride flag-bearing BLM boasting.

Speaker 18 He had an Antiva flag at his communal home. There was an Antiva flag.

Speaker 3 Yes, lunatic.

Speaker 15 Lunatic is how that sounds.

Speaker 18 Illegal alien from Canada.

Speaker 15 And then there was the Minneapolis House Speaker, the Minnesota House Speaker, which

Speaker 15 that guy was a lunatic. He was a nut.
And to the extent he had a political affiliation, it was with Tim Walz. He said Tim Waltz told him to do it, to like go kill demons.

Speaker 15 There was no MAGA affiliation. And by the way, there was nobody demonizing that House speaker on the right.
There was no campaign to call her a fascist or a Nazi like there was toward Charlie.

Speaker 15 And then after she died, you know how many Republicans celebrated her murder? Zero. Zero.
Not like Charlie, where it's near ubiquitous on Blue Sky and even on X and Instagram.

Speaker 15 The number of videos that have gotten posted celebrating his murder is stomach turning. So that's, I don't just don't,

Speaker 15 it's us. It's people on the right who literally now need to worry for their lives.
It's inexcusable.

Speaker 18 Well,

Speaker 18 it's a message. It's saying to people on the right,

Speaker 18 oh, it's both sides, haha, but secretly we know it's only one side, and therefore you better be careful what you seek. That's the intrinsic message.
Be careful where you go. You shouldn't be out.

Speaker 18 You shouldn't speak. And of course, everybody has to speak more and speak out more clearly so that they don't get away with it.
But they feel that there's a deterrent now

Speaker 18 to suppress free speech. And

Speaker 18 you can't let that happen. But they know exactly.
And when you, and a larger point, we had the nominee for President of the United States, Kamala Harris, say that Donald Trump was a fascist.

Speaker 18 Joe Biden gave that Phantom of the Opera speech where he said that half the country was semi-fascist.

Speaker 18 And then we had, I don't want to name their names, but we had, I think, nine generals, retired generals during the Trump first term, including the, and then during the campaign, I'm including the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, former, who called Donald Trump a fascist, fascist,

Speaker 18 and some worse, liar, equivalent to the jailer at Auschwitz. These were, these were not colonels, they were not private.

Speaker 18 These were all in violation of Article 88 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Nothing happened.
If you've got the highest military officers, retired mostly,

Speaker 18 saying that the President of the United States, they're commander-in-chief, and they're subject to the uniform code, and they're calling him a fascist, and there's no consequences, or

Speaker 18 he's the equivalent of the people at Auschwitz, what does that message mean to somebody

Speaker 18 in the woodwork? It comes out and says, well,

Speaker 18 Donald Trump is a fascist, huh? Well, if somebody had killed Mussolini or Hitler, they would have been famous. And so that's the problem.
And nobody, and then it is coming from the left.

Speaker 18 It's always coming from the left. And nobody's.

Speaker 15 And on that front, Randy Weingarten, of course, head of one of the largest teachers' unions in America, is just out with a new book, Why Fascists Fear Teachers.

Speaker 15 It is published in the Rolling Stone right now, an excerpt with the headline, Why Fascists Hate Critical Thinking. This is dated September 16th, 2025.
They're not backing down one minute. And

Speaker 15 the headline, the subhead is Randy Weingarten's new book, Why Fascists Fear Teachers, reveals why Trump and the right demean teachers/slash school funding and rewrite history by Randy Weingarten.

Speaker 15 They're not standing down one bit on that messaging, even though it's appeared now on bullet casings in an assassination.

Speaker 18 We had the campaign, the New Republic put a picture of Donald Trump with a Hitler mustache at Photoshop that he was Hitler. This is after he'd been the first assassination attempt.

Speaker 18 No one said a word that he was Hitler. We've had members of Congress call Donald Trump a fascist.

Speaker 18 So if you keep saying that again and again and again, then you have the Luigi Mangioni effect, that you can come out and you can kill an enemy of the people, and you can expect to be treated as a rock star, and you don't think, given our criminal justice system and our revolving door and our critical legal theory,

Speaker 18 and given what repeat felons have experienced, maybe de Carlos Brown is a good example, that you're not going to really pay a price.

Speaker 18 If you're not going to pay a price and you're going to be canonized, then why not do it?

Speaker 18 That's their attitude, since so many people of authority and prestige have already sanctioned the idea that the person you're targeting is an enemy of the people.

Speaker 15 And they already have these empty lives to begin with. So what do they have to lose? All right, stand by.
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Speaker 15 Back with me now, Victor Davis Hansen. Okay, so Victor, there has been now there have been two days of hearings involving Cash Patel, first in front of the Senate and now in front of the House.

Speaker 15 This exchange he just had with Eric Swalwell, Democrat from California, is burning up the internet. Let's watch it.

Speaker 28 Anyone that has been terminated at the FBI has been done so that

Speaker 28 you can fail to meet the mustard in the constitutional capability.

Speaker 16 I will work on the audio-visual capabilities. I'm going to borrow your terminology and call bullshit on your entire career in Congress.

Speaker 28 It's been a disgrace to the American people.

Speaker 28 You can reclaim your time all you want.

Speaker 16 Mr. Trump, are you going to allow witnesses to speak this way?

Speaker 28 Why don't you try serving your constituency by focusing on reducing violent crime in this country and the number of pedophiles that are illegally harbored in your sanctuary cities in California?

Speaker 28 I work with you on that.

Speaker 16 Do you want to work with you?

Speaker 15 So that was meaningful. Did you get anything out of that, Victor?

Speaker 15 That really resonated with you on its substance, did it not?

Speaker 18 Yeah,

Speaker 18 I think what Cash Patel has to experience is that the Senate and the House people are going to shout and scream and yell, and what they want him to do is to lose his temper and

Speaker 18 reply. And part of it's good.
He's got to show them that he's defiant for this insanity, but I think he's going to have to,

Speaker 18 you can't get in a shouting match with those people because that's what they want.

Speaker 18 They want to shout, shout, shout, and then they're going to say, I'm the inquirer and you're the public servant servant who's got to be sober, judicious, and quiet while I malign you and defame you.

Speaker 18 And so

Speaker 18 it's effective up to a point to say, you know what, I'm not going to take this, but at that point, after you've made that point, I don't think, I think they want you to end up shouting back and forth.

Speaker 18 That's all I, and I know Cash. I've known him a long time.
I like him. He's very bright.

Speaker 18 But I think he's got to realize that they're out to fire him.

Speaker 18 The left is. And they're trying to put pressure on every aspect of his career.
They're trying to say he doesn't have the temperament. He's on social media too much.
He shouldn't be in the media.

Speaker 18 And they are working on members of the Trump administration. And he's got to say, I'm going to go to Congress.
I'm going to be defamed. I'm going to be maligned.

Speaker 18 I will be sharp and tell him not to do this. And then I'm going to

Speaker 18 keep my cool.

Speaker 15 Yeah.

Speaker 15 Well, he's fighting and talking over them, which is another way kind of silencing the message. Yeah, I love the saying, don't, don't, um, fight with a pig.
You get dirty and the pig likes it.

Speaker 15 That's exactly right. Like, it's the truer words.

Speaker 15 It works for me. Here's another exchange with Representative Pramea Pramila Jayapal.
She's a Democrat from Washington.

Speaker 26 You are not answering the question. The question is.
I have.

Speaker 33 You just don't like this question.

Speaker 21 These women, are these women credible? It's a yes or no answer.

Speaker 33 I have answered the question.

Speaker 16 Well, what is it?

Speaker 28 I keep telling you, I'm the only FBI director that has welcomed new information in this case. This administration is the only one that has welcomed any new information in this case.

Speaker 28 Present new credible information.

Speaker 6 Present new information.

Speaker 21 Are the victims credible?

Speaker 18 Victims not.

Speaker 28 I'll tell you what happened in the last Trump administration.

Speaker 28 Victims credibly came forward, and you know what happened? President Trump authorized the indictments of Jeffrey Epstein,

Speaker 16 not Biden, not Obama. Are you going to cover up?

Speaker 16 Are you going to continue to do that? I'm going to recognize the gentleman for the rich

Speaker 21 and powerful men, including those that might be on this committee.

Speaker 16 I can yell too, Mr. Chairman.
I don't want to yell about it.

Speaker 15 Oh, you don't say. Which ones in particular? He should have said, who? Walk me through exactly what they do.

Speaker 18 Exactly. He should have.
He should have. He should have gone through all of them.

Speaker 15 But you know, Victor,

Speaker 15 this is such a,

Speaker 15 I don't know, it's all like performative because

Speaker 15 some of those alleged victims are credible and some are not I mean the one who died Virginia Duffrey definitely told lies I mean repeated lies in her case was it all a lie no but I mean what what an inane asinine question to ask him

Speaker 18 are they all credible I don't know how does he know sitting there The same thing of the people that are on his text messages or emails. Some of them went to the island.

Speaker 18 Some of them were dastardly and deserved to be indicted. But some of them just saw him somewhere and they thought, wow, he's got money.

Speaker 18 Maybe I'll text him and maybe he'll give money to my campaign or maybe he'll help my foundation. So there were all different categories on all aspects of it.

Speaker 18 And that's, I think, what Cash was trying to say. They're going through the whole.

Speaker 18 But the subtext of the whole thing is they sat on this for the whole period under Joe Biden. They didn't mention it.
No one talked about it. It wasn't an issue.
It only came out.

Speaker 18 And then I think now the only remedy is just to let it all out there and let people sift through it.

Speaker 15 There was an exchange between Cash Patel and Senator Josh Hawley of Missouri, Republican, yesterday on whether there are groups out there that are actually trying to fund violence in America.

Speaker 15 Watch this. Interesting exchange here in SOT 19.

Speaker 17 Are you investigating any domestic cells that instigate or encourage or fund

Speaker 17 or in any way support attacks on churches or other houses of worship?

Speaker 33 Senator, you raise an incredibly important point that most people don't look at.

Speaker 33 I've always said we follow the money, and whether it's terrorism or attacks based on ideology or attacks on institutions of faith or people of faith, someone's paying for it.

Speaker 33 And we are reverse tracing those steps. We are not stopping at the perpetrator themselves.

Speaker 33 We are reverse-engineering to hold those accountable in our investigations to who funded them and knowingly funded them. And we will bring the appropriate steps against them with our partners at DOJ.

Speaker 17 Good. I'm glad to hear that.

Speaker 15 We look forward to hearing reports on that progress.

Speaker 15 I mean, that dovetails with what Stephen Miller said the other day to J.D. Vance when he was subbing in on Charlie's show.
And Victor, it's about time.

Speaker 18 Yeah, I mean, every time you see

Speaker 18 when you look at the demonstrations that were in the Columbia campus, or you look at the LA anti-ICE, you see all of these tents or all of this equipment or masks.

Speaker 18 They're all the same. They're all new.
So somebody knows these protests,

Speaker 18 and that would include religious protests. They know them in advance and they are supplying material for them and financial support.
Because after all, a lot of these people, they're not working.

Speaker 18 They're just out there constantly. And we know that some of the signs that they are, they're all printed out and they go out.
And especially the one that was really strange was the Tesla stuff.

Speaker 18 All of a sudden, we had this epidemic that everybody was.

Speaker 16 Yes.

Speaker 18 it was like a script. You go after Tesla, you run them off the road, you try to harass them, you go after dealerships, you key cars.
Where do they get all the talking points?

Speaker 18 And then it just dies down. And so

Speaker 18 I think it's going to be hard to find.

Speaker 18 He says he's attempting, it's going to be hard because they're going to say, well, we were just funding peaceful demonstrations, but to the degree that they're violent and there's

Speaker 18 I think they're going to be able to do that. At least the IRS can look at them.

Speaker 15 There was a good exchange between Senator Eric Schmidt, Republican from Missouri, and Cash Patel on left-wing violence.

Speaker 15 And I'm going to play this not for Cash's response, which wasn't much, but for Senator Schmidt's list of

Speaker 15 the examples. It was thorough and it was powerful.
Here it is in Sod 18.

Speaker 34 Don't give me this. Both sides, bullshit.

Speaker 34 Mr. Director, I want to ask you,

Speaker 34 tell me if each one of the following perpetrators or alleged perpetrators were acting from a left-wing or

Speaker 18 right-wing political violence.

Speaker 34 The man

Speaker 34 who tried to kill Republican congressmen at the congressional baseball practice, nearly killing House majority leader Steve Scalise, left-wing or right-wing violence?

Speaker 30 Sir, I believe it was a left-wing ideology.

Speaker 16 Okay.

Speaker 34 Burned down cities during the summer of love in the George Floyd riots. Left-wing violence or right-wing violence?

Speaker 33 Sir, I'll rely on you on these.

Speaker 16 I don't have off the top of my head. I'm sorry.
Okay, left-wing.

Speaker 34 The Waukesha Christmas Parade massacre, left-wing or right-wing violence, left wing. The Lee Zeldon stabbing attempt, left-wing or right-wing, left-wing.

Speaker 34 The Covenant school shooting in Nashville, left-wing or right-wing, left-wing. The Butler, Pennsylvania assassination attempt on President Trump, left wing or right-wing? Left wing.

Speaker 34 The Trump International West Palm Beach assassination attempt, left wing. The Abundant Life Christian school shooting, left wing.
The United Care

Speaker 34 CEO's murder, left left wing, Tesla's burned, Key, damaged, firebombed, left wing, left wing, the murders at the Israeli embassy, left wing, the ICE facilities firebombed, left wing, the Minnesota Catholic school shooting, left wing, the anti-white Charlotte in North Carolina stabbing, left wing, the attempted Utah News State firebombing, left wing, and now, of course, the culmination of this vile trend, a left-wing assassination of President or of Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 15 Honestly, Victor, it leads me to ask:

Speaker 15 would anything

Speaker 15 get the leftists' attention? Like, if Charlie's murder on camera doesn't change them into

Speaker 15 stopping with the violent rhetoric and the normalization of violence when it comes to our politics, what will?

Speaker 16 What will it take?

Speaker 18 I don't think it will.

Speaker 18 I think what it will take is a complete political repudiation, sort of what followed the hijacking of the Democratic Party by the McGovern people in 72, and when they got a complete landslide, and then except for Jimmy Carter's aberration of four years, there was 20 years of Republican governance.

Speaker 18 And that's the only thing they understand. And they don't understand that because they're idealistic or they're judicious and sober and judicious.
They understand that because they don't have power.

Speaker 18 So the only thing they're going to understand is they're going to have to lose the House and the Senate again, and they're going to not not win the presidency for the next

Speaker 18 10 years.

Speaker 18 And then maybe, just maybe it'll sink in that people don't want their message.

Speaker 18 But in that process, they're going to get angrier and angrier and angrier and double down and more radical until they implode.

Speaker 18 And then somebody has an intervention, a kind of a Federman intervention, not just one senator, but a bunch of people come forward and say, the people don't like us and we can't win and we have no power.

Speaker 18 So we've got to at least do a Bill Clinton as he did in 92 or something. But they're not going to self-correct because they want to or it's the right thing.

Speaker 18 It's going to have to be imposed politically on them.

Speaker 18 But we're in some rough times because the more they feel impotent and given their arrogance and narcissism that they think they're better educated and more moral than the rest of us and therefore they have a right of any means necessary or justified because the ends are so noble and so moral and they are the bicosto elite, and they can do this.

Speaker 18 It's going to be a long haul. It really is.

Speaker 16 They're very dangerous people.

Speaker 18 I believe that. I think they're very dangerous.

Speaker 15 I totally agree with that, too.

Speaker 15 There are some who are still normal, but not enough. And while they may be reaching out to those of us on the right now, they need to speak up to their own people.
They do.

Speaker 15 So that the overwhelming message of the country is this has to stop.

Speaker 15 We can fight on politics, we can get into all the issues, but just stop with the constant fascist, Nazi, white supremacist. That does rile people up.
We have seen too many examples of it.

Speaker 15 Anyway, Victor, I love having you on. I will be getting the new paper book, even though we have read the end of everything, but I want to see the updated info.
You guys should do it too.

Speaker 15 Check it out, and thanks for coming on.

Speaker 18 Thank you.

Speaker 15 We'll see you all tomorrow.

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