Fighting the Establishment in DC, and Why Woke Lost - Piers Morgan, Eric Trump, Calley Means - "Megyn Kelly Live" | Ep. 1194

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Speaker 3 Welcome to the Megan Kelly Show, live on SiriusXM channel 111 every weekday at least.

Speaker 3 Hi, Miami.

Speaker 3 I'm so happy to be with you. Woo!

Speaker 3 Oh, what a gorgeous group of people. Thank you for being here.
Sit, sit, get comfortable.

Speaker 3 I love you so much.

Speaker 3 I'm so grateful to you.

Speaker 3 Thank you, God. Thank you so much for coming out and being here.

Speaker 2 Love you.

Speaker 3 Truly, truly, I love you and I'm so grateful to you. You know,

Speaker 3 I'm so grateful that you allow me to do this job that's so important to me and that I think is objectively important to the nation.

Speaker 3 And honestly, and I'm grateful to you for coming out and proving what I said at the end of that last speech there, that we will not be silenced, that we will not be afraid, and we will continue on the mission that Charlie was on and that we've all been on together.

Speaker 3 We know it's not without risk. That's life.
You know, I mean, the beautiful thing about courage, and Charlie was

Speaker 3 a fan of saying this, was that all it requires is that you say yes. Just yes.
That's it. You don't have to feel good about it.
You don't have to feel fearless about it.

Speaker 3 You just have to say yes and then do the thing. And all of you guys did that here tonight.

Speaker 3 I know it. And I know maybe like me, you had a spouse or a person in your life who said,

Speaker 3 is it the best idea? Right? God bless Dugger.

Speaker 3 It was funny because I said to my therapist, I'm like, Doug doesn't want me to do it. And he said, Doug is having exactly the right reaction for a spouse.

Speaker 3 And I said, but I told him I'm doing it. And he said, and you are having exactly the right reaction for you.
And Doug got on board. Doug got on board.

Speaker 3 So we have such a great lineup tonight. I love Callie Means.
Do you know Callie Means? Have you been watching him?

Speaker 3 I mean, he is the heart of Maha. There's no one who's more Maha than Callie Means, including RFKJ.
And including his sister, Casey Means, who's about to be confirmed as our surgeon general.

Speaker 3 Callie Means is the man who is implementing Maha. If you're a Maha mom or a Maha dad, we have him to thank for this beautiful movement.

Speaker 3 And then, of course, we're going to have Piers Morgan, who takes no BS from anyone.

Speaker 3 He and I go way back, and can I tell you, Piers is one of the reasons I'm doing what I'm doing, but I'll get to that when I introduce him individually. And he's got a book out now called Woke is Dead.

Speaker 3 It sounds so good, doesn't it? It's like music to your ears.

Speaker 3 And we're going to talk about whether it is. Is it actually dead? Is it on life support? What is it? And then, of course, we've got Trump.

Speaker 3 Eric Trump,

Speaker 3 who, don't kid yourselves, could be the Trump we're voting for within eight to 12 years.

Speaker 2 I don't rule it out for Eric Trump.

Speaker 3 I think he actually might do it. I'm not ruling out Don Jr.
either. Both of them are possibilities.
kind of winkled that out of Don Jr.

Speaker 3 when I spoke with him in Texas, and we'll see what Eric has to say, but totally capable and totally possible.

Speaker 3 On the subject of Woke is Dead, something happened today that I wanted to talk to you guys about just to kick it off, and then we'll take some Q ⁇ A before we bring the guests out.

Speaker 3 There was an extraordinary situation at Condé Nast.

Speaker 3 Now, I've been to the Condé Nast buildings because remember when the left loved me for those five minutes that Trump and I were fighting?

Speaker 3 And they invited me all these things, and then they realized, oh my God, actually, she's not like us at all. We hate her.

Speaker 3 So I got invited to go to the Condé Nast building by Anna Wintour.

Speaker 3 Yes, yes. She's just as much of a bitch as you think she is.
Yes.

Speaker 3 Like she, to walk down the hallway to go visit her, all of her like staffers actually were wearing the Janet Jackson headsets, like, and we're walking, we're walking.

Speaker 3 I'm like, isn't it just the fashion lady? Why are we pretending that there's a head of state in there? She had a plate of steak brought out to her. Like, they knew exactly what she wanted.

Speaker 3 She had two bites of it. I remember I was starving, and I was like, I know from the movie you're not allowed to eat.

Speaker 3 Anyway, I was at Condé Nast, and I met all the heads of magazines at Condé Nast. David Rebnick was there, the New Yorker, of course, Anna was at the head of the table.

Speaker 3 And they were all very stuck up and prigs and unfortunate people, demanding that I declare that I'm pro-choice. I mean, it was really kind of like the terms of my being there.

Speaker 3 I'm like, what is happening?

Speaker 2 Why am I here?

Speaker 3 So that's Condé Nast, and they went very, very woke very, very early on. Because that was before 2020 in George Floyd at Palooza.
That was back in like 17.

Speaker 3 And you could feel it. You could see it with the staff, you could see it with the heads of the magazine, and so on.

Speaker 3 And it explains a couple things that would happen later.

Speaker 3 For example, when my staff and I are covering stories, and we're all searching the news, figuring out what are the stories that we want to do, we recognized that a magazine, an online magazine called Wired,

Speaker 2 had gone really weirdly woke.

Speaker 3 Wired, it's a tech magazine for techies about tech.

Speaker 3 and like they were taking a stand on every trans issue and they were on the wrong side. In particular, on the Emain Khalif story, you know,

Speaker 3 that man's picture was featured there as the boxer pretending to be a woman.

Speaker 3 Intersex, technically Emain Khalif is, but look, the reason Emain Khalif looks like a man is because he has XY chromosomes and he has male reproductive organs on the inside.

Speaker 3 He may have been born with a female reproductive look on the outside, but it's a man. It's an unfortunate position, but it's a man.
And in every way relevant to athletics, it's a man.

Speaker 3 And that's why Emain Khalif was beating the shit out of every woman he boxed in the Olympics and won the gold medal.

Speaker 3 Remember the women were like falling down immediately saying, oh my God, I've never been punched so hard in my life, right? Because men tend to be stronger than we are.

Speaker 3 So Wired got out on the limb with Amain Khalif and many other. I thought, what's happening at Wired? Well, they went super woke because they were part of Condé Nast and Anna Wintor's Empire.

Speaker 3 And that is why I'm so happy to show you the clip I'm about to show you.

Speaker 3 So something happened at Condé Nast that I absolutely love.

Speaker 3 A bunch of people who worked at Teen Vogue got fired, which is great because they're as woke as they come. Yeah, one of their writers tweeted out, like, I don't understand.

Speaker 3 I've been writing about intersectionality and skin color and trans issues. And, you know, I thought that's what I was hired to do.

Speaker 3 And now I'm out of a job it's like you're starting to get it you're so close is it you just give it a little bit more thought and you're gonna be there

Speaker 3 so you know how the young wokesters are now they'd have no respect for authority they think they run the asylum and what did they do they decided to get together and pay a little visit to the head of HR a guy named Stan

Speaker 3 All right now I just before I show you this clip I just want you to remember we talked about this when I first launched the show in 2020 what happened at Evergreen College it was I think it was 2019 or right around there where, speaking of the inmates running the asylum, the young wokesters on the college campus went, they stormed the office of the head of school and the admissions office.

Speaker 3 They demanded, they wanted reparations and all the things, and demanded because of their skin color that they have extra things that the whites didn't have. And it was ridiculous.

Speaker 3 And the school bent the knee. I mean, they couldn't have gotten down on the knee fast enough.

Speaker 3 And they humiliated, remember there was a young black girl who they made apologize for being nice to Brett Weinstein, a professor who was on campus, who had said, Should we really be forcing whites to take off the days that the black students say they have to take off just as a show of solidaire?

Speaker 2 I don't, I think it feels a lot of racist.

Speaker 3 And the black students said, Yeah, you might be raising a nice guy. And they humiliated this girl and made her do a forced apology.
So just keep that in mind as you watch what happened at Condé Nast

Speaker 3 today

Speaker 3 with our friend Stan when the fired teen Vogue workers and others, including a guy from Wired,

Speaker 3 tried to confront him.

Speaker 7 So, everyone, you know, we'd appreciate it if you would go back to the workplace where you're. Is there a place that you would be able to speak to us? Not today.
We have other things going on.

Speaker 7 Do you think we're not worth speaking to, Sam? Those are your words, not mine. But they might be your beliefs.
They're not my beliefs. Oh, okay.
So, you do think we're worth speaking to Sam.

Speaker 7 Everyone should go back to your workplace.

Speaker 7 I work here.

Speaker 2 You dismiss us instead of talk to us.

Speaker 7 You told us that we have to come work in person here four days a week. Sam, are you running away from us? No, No, I'm directing you back to your place of us.
You can just go this way, you guys.

Speaker 7 Will you come this way with us? No, no, I'm in a meeting. I'm working.
Okay, well, we have some quick questions. If you answer them, we'd be happy to go back to our desks.
All right.

Speaker 7 Thank you.

Speaker 7 That's that's a good answer, guys.

Speaker 5 Absolutely not. Come on, Stan.

Speaker 7 It's not a really good answer, Stan. We're concerned about

Speaker 7 our colleagues. We're concerned about the people who are.

Speaker 7 Come to our job. You're disengaging with the employees who work here.
What are you going to do to stand up as a Trump administration?

Speaker 3 Go, Stan.

Speaker 3 Can I just tell you, for a guy who runs human resources at Condé Nast

Speaker 3 to not bend the knee immediately, for the non-binary person who is all over Stan, for all the ones who said, I've been fired, Stan, how dare you fire me? You owe us accountability, Stan.

Speaker 3 This guy was hired by Condé Nast in 2019 at peak woke, right?

Speaker 3 Can you imagine what his reaction would have been, let's let's say, June of 2020, if that same group confronted him and demanded explanations as to why they were losing their intersectionality jobs writing for the Condé NAS magazines?

Speaker 3 It's a breakthrough. The fact that Stan didn't give them what they wanted, walked them right out the door, and by the way, most of those people were fired.

Speaker 3 The ones who hadn't been fired, who were protesting, they all got fired for that behavior.

Speaker 3 It's a watershed moment. More and more of these incidents are coming up.
Right?

Speaker 3 Like Jennifer Lawrence talking in the New York Times, who played this on the show yesterday, saying, I'm just not going to talk about my politics anymore. I don't think celebrities matter.
Right.

Speaker 3 You're starting to get it.

Speaker 3 Thank you.

Speaker 2 Right?

Speaker 3 Sidney Sweeney, same thing. Like,

Speaker 3 I'll let you know when I have something that I want you to hear, right? Like, just the controlled, like, no, I won't be baited by you, leftist reporter, into saying something you think will hurt me.

Speaker 3 It's starting to happen before our very eyes. And so I do think the Piers Morgan book is very timely and he's got a point.
All right, we'll leave it there for now. Let's take your questions.

Speaker 3 Thank you so much for being here.

Speaker 2 There. Oh, here we go, right here.
Hi. Hi, Megan.
So we met backstage. My name is Stan, but I'm not that Stan.
No, we love Stan's today. I go by Stanley.

Speaker 2 So at any rate, my question is a little bit off topic. So to preface it a little bit, And I promised my seven-year-old daughter that I would give a shout out to her.

Speaker 2 So can you please say I love you, Kalita? I love you, Kalita. Thank you.

Speaker 2 So, my wife and I are first-generation immigrants from Poland. We live in Chicago, which is a very woke city.
Jean-Dobre.

Speaker 2 Thank you.

Speaker 2 My question is: so, we're huge fans. We listen to your podcast all the time and your stance on immigration.

Speaker 2 And the name eludes me, but it's a representative from the state of Florida who I think is a proponent of the Dignity Act,

Speaker 2 which essentially states that if you've lived here for an X amount of years, and you can justify that you've never been in government support and you've never

Speaker 2 committed a crime, that's another one. There should be some sort of pathway to citizenship.

Speaker 2 And I think that's a better question for Eric and President Trump, but how do you feel about that?

Speaker 3 Stan, is this a confession?

Speaker 2 Kind of. It's kind of a confession because I will say openly that my parents, I was born in Poland, but I was 10 months old when we moved here in 1989 as asylum seekers from communists.

Speaker 3 Well, that's a different story, of course. I appreciate the question, and I'm not inhuman.

Speaker 3 I understand there are a lot of good people who are in that position in the United States right now who realistically will never be deported because we can't even seem to deport the ones who are extra, you know, who have committed violent felonies and are here illegally.

Speaker 3 But if you're asking me what my belief you know, in the policy is,

Speaker 3 I think they have to go. They got to go.
We can barely take care of our own, and we really can't take care of an extra 20 million who are here illegally.

Speaker 3 And you can blame it on Joe Biden, who opened up the floodgates and just let way too many across the border. So I am in favor of deporting everyone who is here illegally.

Speaker 3 And President Trump has made it such that you can leave and come back if you admit you're here illegally.

Speaker 3 But if you stay and Tom Holman finds you, then you're leaving and you're never coming back.

Speaker 3 So with all due respect to your family and you, I think if you're not here lawfully, you got to go. And I hope you come back.

Speaker 2 Hi there.

Speaker 8 Hi, nice to meet you.

Speaker 3 Nice to meet you, hun.

Speaker 8 So I'm 13 years old, and I'm interested when I'm older to be a lawyer or even a politician. Awesome.

Speaker 8 Wow.

Speaker 8 And I'm in eighth grade right now, and I'm running for eighth grade class president.

Speaker 3 And look at her getting up second in the line.

Speaker 8 And

Speaker 8 I was wondering if you can give me any advice on how to make it where you are and how to influence others like you do.

Speaker 3 Oh, you're so sweet.

Speaker 3 I feel like you're already on your way, right? Because you're sitting in the front row of your life.

Speaker 3 You got up, you asked a question of somebody who is up on stage here, you didn't feel intimidated, second in line, you stood up, you have your shoulders back, you projected your voice.

Speaker 3 Look at you, you're smiley, you're affable, everybody liked you immediately. This is a risk that paid off for you immediately, and it will continue to because this is who you are.

Speaker 3 We can see it in you.

Speaker 3 Keep taking these risks. Sit down.
Ask yourself, you know, how you can win this election. What actually will resonate with your classmates? Like, what do they want?

Speaker 3 Not what you want, but what do they want? And how can you speak to them?

Speaker 2 And then don't be afraid to ask for their vote.

Speaker 3 Go around and say, like, I'd love it if you would vote for me. What will it take? What can I do for you? What will make you happy? What will make your lives better?

Speaker 3 Really try to come to understand what matters to them, whether you're a politician in the eighth grade or one actually running for a House seat, which could happen for you.

Speaker 3 actually in the not too distant future. But practice.
Keep standing up for yourself and do it over and over and over and over again, and then you'll get get a lot better at it as time goes on.

Speaker 3 I definitely believe in law school. I don't know about the practice of law, but I think if you're going to be a politician, read the Bible, keep going to church, or start if you haven't already.

Speaker 3 And remember to shore up your moral core because you're going to need it. Good luck, honey.

Speaker 2 Thank you.

Speaker 2 Hi, Megan. My name is Tucker.
I met you earlier. Yes.

Speaker 2 I am the reality TV producer who solved my aunt's murder.

Speaker 2 That's not the point of this. I

Speaker 2 want to keep it lighthearted. I'm curious what you have to say to Don Laman,

Speaker 2 who says you look like a transgender. I haven't heard you respond to that, and I think he's a fucking idiot because you are beautiful.

Speaker 3 To quote Sidney Sweeney, I'll let you know when I have something to say about that.

Speaker 9 Hello, ma'am.

Speaker 2 I have a question.

Speaker 9 There is a story today that the American Airlines is about to announce the layoffs for thousands of American workers all of throughout their company and offshoring them to India.

Speaker 9 The President recently scored a major victory in getting the United and American Airlines unions to announce their support for the president, the first time they have ever supported a Republican in history.

Speaker 9 My question is,

Speaker 9 as a young American, as young Americans like me, we are noticing fewer jobs and increased competition with

Speaker 9 non-native workers.

Speaker 9 Student visas and work visas like the H-B1 visa have made employment for many of Americans, especially for myself and young Americans, nearly impossible.

Speaker 9 How can we convince American companies to keep jobs in America and when can we anticipate the end of the H1 visa and a moratorium on immigration to defend American workers?

Speaker 3 That's a great question. I'm sorry that you're suffering.
It's wrong. And I think what's happened here, and this actually is a largely Republican problem too.

Speaker 3 I mean, the Republican, I grew up in the Republican Chamber of Commerce is the one principally responsible for this problem.

Speaker 3 And every Republican president was listening to the more old school Republicans who said we had to have these foreign workers and their companies weren't going to be able to sell cheap goods without them and so on.

Speaker 3 And there's still an ear to that argument, as you may know. And it's really unfair to our own working class people and young people who actually will take these jobs.

Speaker 3 The truth is not that they're doing jobs Americans won't do. The truth is that we're not willing to pay a living wage so that more Americans are attracted to them.

Speaker 3 We'd rather pay the dirt-poor wages that we can get foreigners to take, which is deeply unfair.

Speaker 3 And I think these companies with these enormous profit margins and so many of these industries should take the hit, should take care of, if they're America first, it's not about just showing up to support President Trump at the inauguration.

Speaker 3 It's about hiring American and making sure that they're grooming next generation so you can buy a house, so you can get married, so you can have a life that's better than the one your parents gave to you.

Speaker 3 So you're right to complain, and you're square over the target. Thank you.

Speaker 3 Thank you, Megan, Players.

Speaker 2 Thank you.

Speaker 2 Hi, Megan. Thank you for taking my question.
Hi. Love your jacket.
Thank you. I was born on Flag Day, same day as President Trump.
Wow, well done.

Speaker 2 That's awesome.

Speaker 2 So my question to you is, I have four children. Two of them are type 1 diabetics.

Speaker 5 So I'm hoping you'll be able to bring this over to Callie Means for me. My daughter, who is the youngest, had the nerve to turn 26 and fell off of my insurance.

Speaker 5 And now she is out on her own, but has to pay $900 a month for her medications to stay alive.

Speaker 2 And so I'm hoping that there is some other programs.

Speaker 5 I have volunteered for the JDRF and now breakthrough type 1 diabetes and all that to try to get more information on how to help these people.

Speaker 3 Does she have a job?

Speaker 7 She does.

Speaker 2 Does she have health insurance?

Speaker 5 She just got full-time

Speaker 5 and so her health insurance will kick in December 1st. But she went on Obamacare in July when she fell off of my insurance.

Speaker 3 And she doesn't love it.

Speaker 3 She's not alone.

Speaker 3 I mean, I have to be honest.

Speaker 3 I don't think the Republicans have a plan for this, and I know the Democrats don't have a plan for this other than endless subsidies to help people afford a plan that's not affordable.

Speaker 3 You know, we've Barack Obama shoved that plan down our throats against

Speaker 3 our will by his pen and his phone and his bully nature. And we've been dealing with the fallout from it ever since.
And these subsidies are going to expire.

Speaker 3 It does not, I will ask Eric to see whether we think there's a deal that's going to get passed on that. But people have all but given up on health care.

Speaker 3 I think they've just decided it's too much of a morass and they're not willing to help. So I think that

Speaker 3 the best way forward is a good job with good benefits. Unfortunately, not everybody can do that.

Speaker 3 I respect your willingness to work so hard to help your daughter, and I'll ask Callie when he comes out here, and Eric, too.

Speaker 2 God bless.

Speaker 2 Hi there.

Speaker 5 Hi.

Speaker 3 Oh, I love your shirt.

Speaker 2 Thank you.

Speaker 5 Tonight, we are Megan,

Speaker 2 America. Great again.

Speaker 3 Oh, that's so sweet.

Speaker 3 You're a doll.

Speaker 2 Also, a big thank you to Charlie.

Speaker 9 My girls voted for the first time this year.

Speaker 2 Trump, of course.

Speaker 5 My number one issue, why I vote Republican, is judges.

Speaker 10 I hope Alito and Thomas retire after the midterms. I think it's critical we don't make the same mistake that Obama and RBG made.
What are your thoughts on that?

Speaker 5 And I have a message from you to me.

Speaker 5 Friend of yours, David Kelly. How's it going? I wish I could meet you.
You sound like a person of good character, good judgment. Yes, he is.
He's a smart guy. He's a wonderful guy.

Speaker 2 He just, he adores you.

Speaker 3 I think I was right.

Speaker 3 Listen, that's a scary, it's a scary thought to me to think about Alito and Thomas retiring, right? Those are the two we can always depend on to do the most sense on the bench. But I take your point.

Speaker 3 We don't want an RBG situation, you know, and they're getting a little long in the tooth.

Speaker 3 I had to say this out loud. But there is some speculation about what happened on Tuesday being so bad that some are now worrying that the Republicans might actually lose the Senate in the midterms.

Speaker 2 Think about that.

Speaker 3 What if they lose the Senate, then we need Alito and Thomas to go nowhere, right? Like then, then if that's actually in play, they need to retire right away, right?

Speaker 3 Because you need the 51 votes in the Senate to get them confirmed.

Speaker 3 So I don't know. I'm very reluctant to say they need to go

Speaker 3 now because we really need them. They're better than anybody.

Speaker 3 But I would say if we get any closer to those midterms and there's more talk about, like serious talk about Republicans possibly losing that Senate, Senate than they do they got to go we cannot have it you certainly cannot have a you know president Newsom filling those two spots so thank you for the question thank you for the shirt

Speaker 6 very nice to meet you my name is Benjamin I am 21 years old I'm a current senior at Florida International University studying broadcast journalism and pre-life

Speaker 6 thank you and so I actually started my media journey 10 years ago when I was 11 years old. I started working professionally at 16.

Speaker 6 And I was inspired by you and by the Pat McAfees of the world who decided, you know what? I have a great voice. I know I have an audience.
I know I have a group of people who can relate to me.

Speaker 6 I'm going to start my own show independently. And because of that, I started my own podcast.
First, it was very sports-centric.

Speaker 6 Now, as I've grown older, it has sort of pivoted into just almost a roganism in the sense that I only have conversations with people that I'm interested in learning from.

Speaker 6 I've also worked for the mayor's office, Mayor Suarez, here in South Florida and the city of Miami, who's termed out now but is doing an amazing job.

Speaker 6 My question to you is, I apologize for all the context.

Speaker 6 I have found out and doing some reflecting, I am very interested in pivoting from media to public service.

Speaker 6 I think it is something that is so fulfilling in terms of helping people, whether it's at a local level or a state level or a municipal level.

Speaker 6 My question to you would be, as someone who has really been in this game for a long time, How can I go from pivoting to being the one who asks the questions to the one who hopefully people trust to questions of, and hopefully, I can give them answers that can really help bring solutions to the table.

Speaker 2 Well, thank you for that.

Speaker 3 And good for you. You seem perfectly suited for the job, so good for you.
I mean, we need more great young men and women interested in politics.

Speaker 3 That's the answer to our problems, frankly, because what we have there now is a mess and inspires no one.

Speaker 3 I don't think it's as hard as you think. You know, there are a lot of young people who actually start running.

Speaker 3 In fact, a great organization you might want to connect with is Turning Point USA, which has helped people like Ana Paulina, Luna, run for office and make it.

Speaker 3 Like, we didn't, the reason we know her name is because of Turning Point. And you get connected with a great organization like that that's got the grassroots connections, they can really help you.

Speaker 3 There are also quite a few books written by young whippersnappers who have decided to run for office or create a cause that they try to get in front of young politicians. And it's surprisingly simple.

Speaker 3 But you have to get your name out there. You have to build a constituency.
And I think if you're actually doing a podcast, that's probably a great place to start in terms of groundswell of support.

Speaker 3 I wouldn't give that up just because you want to run for office. It actually, you could do both simultaneously, and they probably serve each other.

Speaker 3 Good luck. I think we're going to wrap it there for now, you guys.
I apologize to everybody standing. Okay, one more.
Yeah, Jiffy, quick.

Speaker 11 Thank you so much, Megan. Go for it.
I'm actually nervous about this, but I listen to you all the time online. I even reached out to Bill O'Reilly for this question as well.

Speaker 11 So, I'm a physical therapist. I work in a hospital in South Broward.

Speaker 11 There's about 100 people who are Democrats and five who are Republicans, like myself.

Speaker 11 I was disciplined, verbally spoken to for talking about politics to one of my other co-workers in the lunchroom who is a Republican like myself.

Speaker 11 My question is, if I have a patient who wants to talk to me about politics, what's going on in the Republicans, and she's happy to talk to me about it, can I be fired or disciplined for that and how do I handle that moving forward?

Speaker 11 Because I foresee it happening in the future.

Speaker 3 Thank you for that. I would never advise you legally without seeing seeing your working contract.
I'm not going to give you a legal advice from here because I'll probably get sued.

Speaker 3 But I would say as a general matter, it's fine for an employer to say politics don't belong in the workplace.

Speaker 3 I actually like that policy, frankly, because it's usually, as you point out, dominated by Democrats, and who wants to listen to them jabbering on all day about how much they love Kamala Harris.

Speaker 3 So this is actually a good policy as long as they've enforced it against both sides. And I think if a patient brought it up, there's very gentle, polite ways of getting out of balance on that.

Speaker 3 You know, you can always give a generic response like, oh you know so many people feel that way and then get out of bounds to something about the movies I think that's actually a great thing because let's face it politics tends tends to stir people up it can make them the heart race faster it can make anger flow through the veins depending on the topic and the hospital is probably not the greatest place for that.

Speaker 3 So I think you should lean into the policy, just make sure they're enforcing it against both sides, and find some stuff other than politics that bring us together to bring up with these sick patients.

Speaker 3 Thank you for working in nursing. All right.
Thank you guys all so much. We're going to get this show on the road because we've got some great guests who are waiting and they cannot wait to meet you.

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Speaker 3 First up, we're gonna bring out Callie Means in one minute. Now, Callie Means

Speaker 2 is brilliant.

Speaker 3 He went to, I always get it confused, but I think it was Stanford undergrad and Harvard MBA. And then he went to work for the beverage industry, Coca-Cola.
And he was on the inside of the big,

Speaker 3 bad.

Speaker 3 beverage company that wanted to pump all the disgusting stuff into their drinks and then pump all the drinks into us and didn't seem to give two craps what it was doing to America's youth in particular, never mind all of us.

Speaker 3 And Callie means he's sort of like a Michael Schellenberger who started off as a Greenpeace activist and then went on to work for Solyndra, that solar company that was taking all the Obama subsidies, before he realized this is a scam.

Speaker 2 I'm on the wrong side.

Speaker 3 These people say they care about the environment, but they don't at all.

Speaker 3 They only care about like one thing, maybe the ozone layer, like maybe global warming, but they don't care about the earth at all.

Speaker 3 And Callie seemed to come to a similar realization when he understood that this beverage company didn't care at all about actually servicing the American population.

Speaker 3 Seemed like they might have been more interested in getting us all sick. And then he looked at the healthcare industry and found exactly the same conclusion, which is deeply disturbing.

Speaker 3 I sat next to Callie. I sat in between Callie and Casey Means at the RFKJ confirmation hearing.
And it's one of my favorite stories about getting to know him because

Speaker 3 at those things, you're supposed to be like stoic, and you're supposed to just sit in the background, like,

Speaker 3 right? Like, you're unflappable. You know, nothing they ask him can bother you.
You're not going to give them a face for the evening news. And having been in news, okay, I sat there emotionless.

Speaker 3 It was whatever. It was also my Botox, but it was fine.
I nailed it.

Speaker 3 And Casey and Callie are both such big personalities, and they're both so fired up about this issue, it was hilarious because you'd have some jerk up there cross-examining Kennedy on some totally unfair question, right?

Speaker 3 Senator Mark Warner, could have been Bill Cassidy. And these two next to me are like, ah,

Speaker 3 oh my God, this is ridiculous. Come on.
No, no, it isn't. No.
And I'm like.

Speaker 3 But that's how deeply they feel it, right?

Speaker 2 And then the best thing possible happened.

Speaker 3 The best thing possible happened. They both agreed to go into the Trump administration.

Speaker 3 Both could be making millions, millions on their own in private practice, private industry, but they did it because they genuinely care more about all of us than they do about their own pocketbook.

Speaker 3 Here's a little intro to Callie Means.

Speaker 5 What is happening to our health in this country and uniquely in America is dark.

Speaker 2 Probably a bad way to start off a podcast of how fucked we are.

Speaker 5 50% of teens and 80% of adults are overweight. The number one item purchased with food stamps in America is addictive diabetes water.

Speaker 2 So the U.S.

Speaker 12 government pays people to drink soda.

Speaker 5 10% of all food stamps funding goes to soda. We're the only country in the world that allows that.
Wow. We are truly incentivizing poison for kids.

Speaker 5 And then the healthcare industry profits when they're sick. Now it's about obesity and trying to get Ozempic to six-year-olds.
This drug medically is an absolute disaster.

Speaker 5 They don't allow this drug for obesity. in Europe.
They're taking advantage of a broken U.S. system in the United States.

Speaker 5 It is insane for you to insinuate that the the thing standing between us and better health is more government bureaucrats.

Speaker 5 The lobbyists in this room laughing when we have the sickest children in the developed world. I think people are waking up.
I really do. They're clamoring to this message.

Speaker 5 Making America healthy isn't complicated. It just takes political courage.

Speaker 13 I got a call from Callie Meads and he asked if I would talk to President Trump and I said, of course.

Speaker 5 Watching RFK and Trump at a rally, it's the most electric political experience I've ever seen.

Speaker 13 Don't you want a president that's gonna make America healthy again?

Speaker 5 When RFK starts saying we're gonna get to the bottom of why our food for our kids is poison and we are going to reverse childhood chronic disease by taking on this corruption, when they say that, it's electric.

Speaker 5 It's like a release.

Speaker 2 How are you? I'm fired up.

Speaker 3 Great.

Speaker 3 Tell us everything. How's it going?

Speaker 2 You know,

Speaker 5 my mind always goes back to an hour after Secretary Kennedy got sworn in and by President Trump. And President Trump looked at him and said, I have your back.

Speaker 5 Special interests have rigged our health care system, rigged our food system for decades.

Speaker 5 And he said, I want you to get in a room with the USDA Secretary of Agriculture, the administrator of the EPA, the military leadership, across the entire government, the treasury, the OMB.

Speaker 5 And he said, I want you to figure out why kids are getting so sick. And I want you to be fearless, and I want you to completely ignore special interests.

Speaker 5 And what he particularly said to do is look at trend lines between different countries. And you look at what's happening in America, and it's very unique and pronounced.

Speaker 5 In America, when a child is born, we actually recommend two times more vaccines than they do in Norway. In America, a child's diet is 70% ultra-processed food, and it's 10%

Speaker 5 in other countries. In America, the American Medical Association, which really controls the standard of care for everyone in this room, still recommends gender-affirming care for two-year-olds.

Speaker 3 Oh my God, that is sick.

Speaker 5 You just go through the inputs to American Health, you know, getting older.

Speaker 5 A teen is eight hours on their phone.

Speaker 5 We have the highest cancer rates for kids of any society in human history this year in America. Iowa particularly is the highest rates of cancer of any place in the world in human history.

Speaker 5 Childhood obesity rates, diabetes rates are six times more than any other developed country in the world. So President Trump asked them to get in the room.

Speaker 5 And we started talking about the real root cause. We started talking about our food system.
We started talking about environmental toxins and chemicals.

Speaker 5 It was talking about these for the first time, things that the Democrats, Republicans in the past would never talk about. And it's interesting, you mentioned that my background in the soda industry.

Speaker 5 And just last week, the soda industry started a group, like the thing I used to do, $200 million, every single food company in the world.

Speaker 5 And they came into the White House and they said, this is hurting jobs to take food stamp funding away from soda.

Speaker 5 They said, we need, because we're building new factories, we need to keep ultra-processed food in school lunches because the Trump administration is taking a sledgehammer to school lunch, to crappy food in school lunches and getting fresh food in schools.

Speaker 5 They said that it is completely inappropriate that the FDA is finally studying the chemicals in our food. We have 10,000 more chemicals in our food today than Europe.

Speaker 5 And the FDA actually has a gall with the NIH to study them. And they said that's going to hurt our business.
And the administration said, no, thanks. You can get out of this office.

Speaker 5 And that has never happened before. And I'll just say that the reason I fired up is because this is what is happening on every single front.

Speaker 5 This administration is taking on big, messy conversations on every single level. They are putting warriors in there to go up against entrenched interests.

Speaker 5 Pete Hegseth, absolutely dismantling the military-industrial complex.

Speaker 5 We are shutting down the Department of Education, which we spend more on education than any country in the world, and we're failing. We're shutting down, returning that back to the states.

Speaker 5 We have insurgents, Tulsi Gabbard.

Speaker 5 Every single part of the U.S. economy, we are asking bold questions.

Speaker 5 And every single time, the media, the expert class, you know, the entire organs of DC that profit from this existing system are saying that President Trump is failing, that Bobby Kennedy is failing, that Pete Hechtett is failing.

Speaker 5 This is a psyop.

Speaker 5 The Democrats are saying that the status quo is acceptable and all we need to do is put more money into our existing systems.

Speaker 5 And I think this midterm coming up, I think we need to harden up right now. I think we have an opportunity for President Trump to be the most important president in American history.

Speaker 2 And we must, we must harden up.

Speaker 5 We must resist this psyop that's happening because this is a long-term journey.

Speaker 2 We need 10 years of MAGA to really uproot these institutions.

Speaker 3 100%. We need not only Trump, we need Trump Jr., JD, Marco, any of them will keep the Maha legacy going.
So

Speaker 3 speak to us about the many reports that RFKJU are being undermined from within.

Speaker 5 So I was forwarded from one of the good career employees. And just so everyone knows, the FDA, when Marty McCary, who's a hero, came in, he's amazing.

Speaker 5 For a couple of months, he had... just around 10 political appointees.
So those are people he was actually able to choose. Jay Bhattasharia at the NIH had one.

Speaker 5 So every employee in government is these deep staters. They've been there for a long time.

Speaker 5 And I got an email from one of the good ones, and they're sending around a CIA manual called How to Be a Bad Bureaucrat and Subvert an Institution from Within.

Speaker 5 And they said that 90% of employees at HHS, which had 70,000 employees, are working and talking in the lunchroom about this manual and telling each other that their job is to save America and save science from the agenda of President Trump and RFK.

Speaker 5 That is how

Speaker 5 people think throughout, I think, every major department.

Speaker 2 How do we get rid of them?

Speaker 2 Yes, right.

Speaker 5 This is where the PSYOP comes in.

Speaker 2 The CDC has been...

Speaker 5 Can you think of a better case study of failure?

Speaker 5 Can you think of a better public health disaster than the COVID response where the CDC accidentally, in their guidance on school lockdowns, copy and pasted directly from the teacher union document who they were in bed with.

Speaker 5 They copy and pasted the paragraphs from the teachers' union saying that we should shut schools down for two years. They said that cloth masks were fine, right?

Speaker 5 They led.

Speaker 3 They also funded the whole pandemic.

Speaker 5 Not to mention

Speaker 5 with the NIH funding literally the creation of the pandemic with the gain of function research. I mean, you could not have a bigger example of failure.

Speaker 5 RFK correctly fires three employees, and it is national news.

Speaker 5 Pete Hegseth,

Speaker 5 when our kids are being sent into thoughtless war after thoughtless war, we spend more on the military than the rest of the world combined. We're not getting the right outcomes.

Speaker 5 We're not positioned for the future. He fires a couple generals.
Front page breathless news.

Speaker 5 There is an absolute information architecture to say that these actually pretty moderate and pretty things that 90% of people in the country would agree with are absolutely attacks on the American way of life.

Speaker 5 And we need to harden up and absolutely resist that. They need to be firing a lot more people.

Speaker 5 They need to be doing a lot more, which President Trump is commanding, which President Trump is telling them to do. President Trump, my image of President Trump from

Speaker 5 my time in the White House, he sits at that desk and the issues of the world come in and out of his office in a 15-minute increment and he sits there and tells them to go hard.

Speaker 5 That's what he says every time.

Speaker 3 How's Bobby Kennedy feeling about the job?

Speaker 5 Bobby is very similar. I've been so fortunate to see him up close, and he has an incredible, I call it spiritual mindset on this.
I think he is put on this earth for this mission, and

Speaker 5 I think he is in the running behind President Trump as the second most attacked person in the country, and he is never, ever flustered.

Speaker 3 He's the most popular cabinet member. Did you know that?

Speaker 3 Number one.

Speaker 5 He sits behind his desk and says, how can we get kids healthier food? How can we support American farmers? How can we get cell phones out of schools?

Speaker 5 How can we get recess in schools? 40% of public schools actually don't have mandatory recess. These are all things that are, it's unbelievable.

Speaker 5 These are all, this is the agenda of the administration right now. In the senior most meetings, it is how can we get food stamps to healthy food?

Speaker 5 How can we work with local farmers to get whole food for schools? How can we have more medical funding instead of going to

Speaker 5 SSRI rates among teenage girls going up eight times in the past five years? 8x has gone up. How can we get to the root cause of these issues of mental health?

Speaker 5 It's just constant hammering on getting to the root cause, very positive things, but he's slandered.

Speaker 5 But somehow, him and President Trump are the two most popular political officials in America still to this day, much more popular than Gavin Newsom. Yes.

Speaker 5 Loba. And I think that comes, this is what we talk about.
We're trying to do the right thing. We're trying to do the right thing.

Speaker 5 We are going to get slandered, but people in that White House and people under Secretary Kennedy are trying to push against these broken institutions that have led, I think, to a poisoning of the American people.

Speaker 5 It's just that simple.

Speaker 5 90% of our health care costs, which are the biggest part of our budget, the biggest driver of unaffordability right now, 90% of those health care costs are preventable lifestyle conditions.

Speaker 5 But we have a system, the medical system, the largest industry in the country, the fastest growing industry in the

Speaker 5 country, not as a conspiratorial statement, just as a statement of fact. They profit from people being sick.
That is the fatal flaw of Obamacare. Obamacare actually incentivizes this sick care system.

Speaker 5 Companies actually make more money when people are sick.

Speaker 5 They capped insurance profits at 15%, so insurance companies want to make more and more premiums. And premiums go up, up, up, up, up.
And insurance companies want you sick.

Speaker 5 The reason our health care costs are so high, the reason we have three times higher health care costs than any other country in the developed world, is because we're so sick.

Speaker 5 And we must, and the Republican Party, quite frankly, is the only place where they're saying, how can we fundamentally reform this? It's got to be about health.

Speaker 5 And the Democrats are saying we need to shut down the government to pour more money into this broken system without any reform.

Speaker 3 That's such a good point, right?

Speaker 3 Because you and your sister have been focused from the beginning on changing the system of let's keep everybody sick and then put them into this health care system that makes corporations rich to why don't we encourage some exercise?

Speaker 3 Why don't we change the food pyramid? Why don't we talk about detoxifying people's lives?

Speaker 3 Why don't we talk about the vaccine schedule for newborn babies and maybe actually create wellness so that they don't need the insurance companies anywhere near as much as they do now?

Speaker 3 But what do you think about, like, we had a questionnaire come out earlier talking about his daughter who still just has a new job but is paying $900 a month

Speaker 3 to be insured.

Speaker 14 Like

Speaker 3 that's impossible for somebody who's young and just starting out.

Speaker 5 Well, the issue of the day after the previous elections a couple days ago is affordability. And health care is, as I said, the largest driver of lack of affordability.

Speaker 5 It's 25% of our national spend, our national income. It used to be 4% in 1940.
In European countries, it's 10%.

Speaker 5 It's skyrocketing out of control. So on a personal level,

Speaker 5 We need to allow young people to get outside the medical system to have catastrophic coverage, but to really invest in their wellness, their health. And young people are suffering.

Speaker 5 Young people are suffering from chronic rates of anxiety, obesity, depression, infertility, and they're being funneled into the sick care system.

Speaker 5 So I'd advise her to find the cheapest plan she can with the highest rate of coverage and just invest in her own health.

Speaker 5 But let's not mince words. And I think this is what Republicans need to understand.

Speaker 5 These institutions, the military, the

Speaker 5 immigration system, the health care system, they're oil tinkers.

Speaker 5 As aggressive as the Trump administration is being, we are starting the bold conversation to start turning these things. But I do see MAGA as a 10-year journey.

Speaker 5 We have to have a health care system where hospitals are incentivized for beds to be empty instead of full, as they are today.

Speaker 5 We need a pharmaceutical industry that is incentivized to prevent and reverse disease instead of manage it when all their revenue comes from people getting sick and managing it.

Speaker 5 We need insurance companies to be incentivized for wellness, which will lower costs.

Speaker 5 The Republican Party, and I think the Maha argument of the system being so broken and slanted against us, is the predicate for a real conversation about health care reform.

Speaker 5 And I'm worried, Megan, because I do think with this affordability question, health care is

Speaker 5 at a breaking point.

Speaker 5 We will have a different health care system, I think, in the next five years.

Speaker 5 And we are marshaling a conversation what true reform to unleash thriving of the American people looks like, which is so central to this Maha argument that Democrats are going to have socialized medicine.

Speaker 5 And we need to win this argument. We need to continue supporting President Trump and winning this argument about a reform that we need, or else we're going to have socialized medicine, I fear.

Speaker 3 Let me ask you about the big O,

Speaker 3 Ozempic.

Speaker 3 Because President Trump just announced that he's going to push a program that would make the drug a lot cheaper for a lot of people. But you're not a fan of this drug, so how do you feel about that?

Speaker 5 So, what President Trump has done actually is one of the most aggressive

Speaker 5 moves against pharma in modern American history. So he is demanding that every single drug is at the best possible price compared to the rest of the world.
And Ozimpic costs $1,600

Speaker 5 when it's $80 in Germany. $80? $80 in Germany and $1,600, and they were trying to push it on the American taxpayer.
So this, he said, this is not happening. I'm going to use tariffs.

Speaker 5 I'm going to use every single tool in the tool belt to get drug prices at the same price, the most competitive price, the rest of the world. The U.S.

Speaker 5 is 4% of the population of the world, and we produce 75% of worldwide pharmaceutical profits right now. 75%.

Speaker 5 So the Ozimpic is a drug, it's out there, and this announcement was part of that overall plan, and they've dramatically lowered the cost of the drug.

Speaker 5 Now, as Secretary Kennedy and others said at the press conference announcing it, obesity, and as I've said a lot, obesity is not a drug deficiency.

Speaker 5 We have a spiritual crisis in this country where there's an epidemic of obesity among six-year-olds. I mean, that is a moral failing among our country.

Speaker 5 And while this is being approved for Medicare, in some cases, Medicaid, stay away from the kids on this drug. We are going to improve the food system for these kids.

Speaker 5 But I will also say, we need an all-of-the-above strategy for obesity. The drug might be useful in some cases.
It's much lower price right now.

Speaker 5 But this administration, in the next four years is going to dramatically improve our food system and have healthy food on a child's plate, healthy food on our soldiers' plates.

Speaker 5 And I will bet anyone, I will bet anyone,

Speaker 2 these

Speaker 5 people in the media who are slandering Maha, saying Bobby Kennedy is dangerous, at the end of the Trump presidency, we are going to have shockingly lower rates of obesity, of diabetes, I think of cancer, of Alzheimer's, which is highly related to diabetes.

Speaker 5 Because of the policies, all of the above policies, but also, and I think President Trump deserves credit for this, he, through his alliance with Bobby Kennedy, has unleashed, you've seen it.

Speaker 5 People are just talking about health more.

Speaker 2 Moms are reading labels more.

Speaker 5 I hear moms, probably some in this room, that are demanding healthier food at their schools. People are just thinking about this stuff more.

Speaker 5 Snacking, actually, in the United States, has gone down 7% just this year. The food industry is reeling.
They're having to change their ingredients, lower sugar, add more protein.

Speaker 5 There is a lot happening. And I do see this whole movement as a 10-year bridge.
You know, we're going to have lower drug prices.

Speaker 5 We're going to dramatically reduce the ultra-processed food consumption. We're going to be moving more.

Speaker 5 We're going to have a surgeon general talking not about the need to take a drug, or as the last surgeon general said, the greatest health threat being misinformation about vaccines.

Speaker 5 It's just going to be talking about sunlight, exercise, healthy food. Like, these are simple things.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 5 So

Speaker 3 it's encouraging. It's so, I'm so hopeful about it.
It's like, if a few things hadn't happened, none of this would have happened. You know,

Speaker 3 of course, most of all, President Trump being elected. But to me, it's like you and Casey went on Tucker's show to talk about your book, Good Energy, which I highly recommend.

Speaker 3 It's so many good things in there. And

Speaker 3 it kind of changed everything. Like, senators saw it.
I saw it.

Speaker 3 Before we knew it, you knew Don Jr. You were putting

Speaker 3 Bobby Bobby Kennedy, you met him, he saw it in touch with Don Sr.

Speaker 3 A beautiful friendship was born, an endorsement came, which is a really important endorsement for Donald Trump, and Donald Trump won and rewarded RFKJ.

Speaker 3 He brought you into the administration, and Bob was your uncle. We're off to the races on this revolutionary approach to childhood wellness and wellness for all of us.
I've got to leave it on this.

Speaker 3 How is Casey, who missed her confirmation hearing a few weeks ago, because her baby decided to come that day.

Speaker 3 So what did she have? How is she? And when is she going to be sworn in as our Surgeon General?

Speaker 5 Casey had a beautiful baby boy

Speaker 5 just a month after my wife and I welcomed the beautiful baby boy.

Speaker 2 Congratulations.

Speaker 5 They're going to be best friends. And Casey you know, has been kind of under the radar, not able to talk, has been in Hawaii just summoning the good energy

Speaker 5 and is just,

Speaker 5 I think, ready for battle. And

Speaker 5 the hearing was scheduled two days after her due date. You know, these processes drag on, but I think we should be hearing from her very soon.
And she's an amazing person.

Speaker 3 You guys make an amazing team. Last but not least, last but not least, the New York Times reported that you were leaving the administration.
Is that true?

Speaker 5 So I was doing a special government employee job.

Speaker 3 That's the same job Elon took on as a temporary job by Sean.

Speaker 5 I think it's termed out, but

Speaker 5 more more news maybe to come soon.

Speaker 3 Okay, but you're enjoying your position.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 2 Oh, yes. Yeah.

Speaker 5 This is a singular moment. I think we all feel it.
I think we all felt it when we voted last November for President Trump.

Speaker 5 This is a singular moment in American history where the smartest people in the country, in the world, are coming to the Oval Office, battling

Speaker 5 about big ideas, and with the encouragement of President Trump, we must continue to support the bravery of this administration.

Speaker 3 Yes, including you. Maha forever.
Thank you. Hallie Means.

Speaker 3 Excited. Thank you.

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Speaker 3 You know, I've talked throughout this tour and on the show many times about my time on the couch after NBC.

Speaker 3 And I have to tell you, like, I did a lot of soul searching about what I was going to do next and why I was feeling so pessimistic about a return to regular legacy media.

Speaker 3 I knew I didn't want to do it for obvious reasons. They're horrible.
I knew I didn't belong there. Most of them didn't want me.
And so I just figured, like, maybe I don't have a future in that.

Speaker 3 Maybe I'll hang out my legal shingle again and I'll go back to practicing law. But there were a few figures out there who I listened to regularly who kind of gave me the thought,

Speaker 3 or maybe I could just say all the things I want to say and have a career in this industry.

Speaker 3 Like maybe it is possible to not bend the woke knee, genuflect at the altar of identity politics, say what's real,

Speaker 3 and just have a no BS approach to the news and still pay the bills. And one of the people who showed me that that could be done was Piers Morgan.

Speaker 3 I was a fan of Piers's from the beginning. He was fearless, funny, loves conflict.

Speaker 3 His background in tabloid news over in the UK has served him so well because he understands what's entertaining and how to translate news in a way for every man to consume it and enjoy it.

Speaker 3 Too many of our American newsmen, like look at ABC Evening News, whatever, look down on you when they're presenting it. Not Piers.
Pierce wants to look up at you while he's delivering it to you.

Speaker 3 He will talk to anybody, anybody. He will have anybody debate on his show.
He's not afraid of opposing viewpoints. If you want to hear both sides debated, his show is the best place to go.

Speaker 2 And he will fire it up and let it rip.

Speaker 3 And he's been doing it now for decades. It's one of the many reasons he's one of my heroes.
Here's a little bit on Pierce.

Speaker 2 Welcome, we'll be giving us some breaking news. Woke is dead.
The war on common sense is officially over. No,

Speaker 2 those days are done.

Speaker 3 Piers, you're challenging.

Speaker 2 Because he's so stupid. Why can't I identify as a black lesbian?

Speaker 2 Why can't I on international women's days say, I'm Piers Morgan, I'm a black lesbian? You've already opened the absurdity door by saying it is limitless. Anyone can say, I'm a woman.

Speaker 2 We are finally free to call a spade a spades. Did you invite me here to interrupt me? Are you going to laugh at me? I think you're being a complete dick, if I'm honest with you.

Speaker 2 Nothing you're saying has anything to do with

Speaker 5 regret. Hey, boy.

Speaker 2 Don't tell me, boy.

Speaker 5 You were not loved. You were not loved.

Speaker 10 Mr.

Speaker 5 Trump, you're not loved. Is that important to you?

Speaker 2 No, it's not. You're not loved.
That's true.

Speaker 13 It's crazy Piers Morgan. Did you see that show?

Speaker 12 I believe it was a free and fair election and that you lost.

Speaker 2 I don't really believe that.

Speaker 16 That's my belief. Well, then you're a fool.

Speaker 13 You sort of had it. I think Piers is over the hill.

Speaker 3 Piers Morgan has a question for you.

Speaker 2 My wife would divorce me if I took questions from Piers Morgan. Okay, let me tell you why I think of you, you impertinent little twerk.
I love eating steak. I'm not going to stop eating steak.

Speaker 2 The very last thing on earth that will stop me eating steak is people like you with your pasty faces running into our restaurants telling us to stop eating steak. Why are you so triggered

Speaker 2 by a flag? Tell me rainbow flag. I'm telling you some reasons.
I'm not triggered by a rainbow flag. I'm triggered by the fact that everywhere I go, everything has to be a rainbow flag.

Speaker 2 Where's my straight flag? It's everywhere. It's never been a straight flag.

Speaker 5 You're a straight flag.

Speaker 2 The more she talks, the fewer votes she's going to get.

Speaker 4 Investing in the ambitions and aspirations of...

Speaker 5 What did she just say?

Speaker 7 Let's move forward and see where we are.

Speaker 2 What silent gibberish? Let's go. Megan Markle, nasty little buddy, who sends staff into therapy.
As the Spotify guy called the pair of effing grifters. What are your pronouns? They them.

Speaker 2 What does that mean? This is only one of you.

Speaker 3 What does they then?

Speaker 2 I've got to be honest with you, I don't understand the concept of what non-binary means. To me, this is the problem with the whole woke thing.

Speaker 2 It's inexplicable. Are you a female?

Speaker 3 If you don't understand what non-binary means. I don't.

Speaker 3 Then I'm not sure you're in a position to lead a debate. So just tell me.

Speaker 3 This has really become uncomfortably personal. Has it?

Speaker 2 You said it, not me.

Speaker 2 As Winston Churchill said, it's not about being able to listen to opinions you agree with. We can all do that.
It's about being able to tolerate opinions that you don't like.

Speaker 2 We have lost that, and it's been driven by the woke left.

Speaker 17 Interview adjourned.

Speaker 2 Ladies.

Speaker 2 Here's Morgan, everyone.

Speaker 3 Woke is dead.

Speaker 2 Good evening, Miami.

Speaker 2 I've got to say,

Speaker 2 this tour has been fantastic. When Megan said, do you want to come and do that? I said, yes.
Because I thought she would have the best audiences having the best time.

Speaker 2 And it's funny, actually, looking at the celebrity apprentice. Anyone remember watching that season? Celebrity apprentice.

Speaker 2 So at the end, Donald Trump, right before he met, I was just reminded of this and talking about it with Eric Trump backstage.

Speaker 2 That Donald Trump, his last words before he made me his apprentice were, Piers, you're tough, you're vicious, vicious,

Speaker 2 you're possibly brilliant, I'm not sure.

Speaker 2 He said, But you beat the hell out of everybody, you're my celebrity apprentice. And so, when he won

Speaker 2 the presidency, I sent him a note: Donald, you're tough, you're vicious,

Speaker 2 you're possibly brilliant, I don't know, but you beat the hell out of everybody, and you're president of the United States.

Speaker 3 That is brilliant.

Speaker 3 All right, so I love the the name of the book, Woke is Dead. I love it and I want it to be true.
Is it true right now?

Speaker 2 Not yet. So it's a bit like we're now in a game of whack-a-mole.
You know, whack-a-mole? So every time they poke their head up, the wokeys, you've got to whack them down again.

Speaker 2 Because as Elon Musk said, it's like a virus. This thing came along, and the best description I've had of it was an Australian lady came up to me in London.
And she said, Mr.

Speaker 2 Morgan, I hope you don't mind me interrupting your walk. I said, not at all and she said here's the thing about these wokies

Speaker 2 she said they just suck all the joy out of life and I went yes and she said don't let them get away with it mr.

Speaker 2 Morgan so I've seen it ever since that conversation as my vocation in life not to let the wokies suck the joy out of our life who's with me yes

Speaker 3 So well done. The they them conversation with the non-binary person was one of your all-time best.

Speaker 2 I've never understood it.

Speaker 2 They say they're non-binary. Nobody knows what that means, right? And then I said, what does that mean? What do you call yourself? I'm a they-them.
And I said, but there's only one of you.

Speaker 2 And I'm just a common sense guy, right? I'm a centrist, journalist, common sense guy. But when I see one human being looking at me, insisting I call them they-them,

Speaker 2 I think I've literally died and gone to Madland.

Speaker 3 That's the problem with they, them. That one's taken.
The whole thing is confusing. Like, how do we sound like that?

Speaker 2 How did it make sense? It's like having six foot five inch blokes in women's sport.

Speaker 2 Obviously, it's ridiculous. Yes.
Right? It doesn't mean you're transphobic.

Speaker 2 I want trans people, if they want to lead their life like that, to have the same rights to fairness, equality, and safety that I have. No problem.
Okay?

Speaker 2 It's not about hating people or wanting them to be victimized. Very important to say that, right?

Speaker 2 But, and it's a really important but, I don't want the trans activists to erode women's rights in their pursuit of those things. It's as simple as that.

Speaker 3 Did you see that story in the news this week of the woman at the Gold's Gym in Los Angeles?

Speaker 3 And it turns out that guy has a criminal history. The guy pretending to be a woman.
Not only does he have a criminal history, he committed domestic violence so bad,

Speaker 3 he broke the mandible, the jawbone, of the woman he was with a compound fracture you know compound fractures when the bone is sticking out think of how badly he would have had to beat this woman in order to be causing that kind of damage and then convicted and that's the man who's taking over the women's rooms in the gold gyms and it's pursuant to the law that Gavin Newsome and these Californians signed in.

Speaker 2 They wanted it.

Speaker 2 And by the way, the woman, the actual woman who said, I feel really uncomfortable, rather than supporting her about her discomfort they throw her out of the club and they let the transgender

Speaker 2 character who's obviously from what you're telling me an awful person continue to be using the club how can that be right right that is not right so again it's about fairness and equality and preserving women's rights and I've got a 13 year old daughter I don't want her if she suddenly becomes a great athlete at some sport to have her place potentially, say, at the Olympic.

Speaker 2 I mean, get this. You won't believe this.
I mean, even you, Megan, have not heard anything like this.

Speaker 2 Last week, I interviewed a woman called Betty Yee. Anyone heard of Betty Yee? She's a candidate to be governor of California.
And she came on to attack Katie Porter.

Speaker 2 Not a candidate to be governor of California. Angry woman.
Right, very angry woman. She's the one who always shouts at all her domestic staff.

Speaker 3 Get out of the shut!

Speaker 3 That one. I mean, if we're being honest, get the fuck out of the shut.

Speaker 2 Yeah, get the fuck out of the shot. She's that one.
So this one, Betty, came on to attack mad Katie with shouting at all the staff.

Speaker 2 And in the middle of it, I said, well, I went on Bill Maher show with Katie Porter, and we had an argument about trans athletes in women's sport.

Speaker 2 And to my surprise, the Bill Maher audience, a little bit more liberal than the audience tonight, I suspect,

Speaker 2 but they all cheered me, not her. And she couldn't believe it.
She was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what? I thought everyone agreed with me about this, but they didn't. So I then turned to Betty E.

Speaker 2 I said, what do you feel? And she said, well, I kind of agree with Katie on that one. I went, uh-oh.
And then she said, I said, Well, let me give an example.

Speaker 2 You've got the Olympics coming to Los Angeles.

Speaker 2 If you're the governor of California, if you genuinely think there's no problem in having trans athletes in women's sport, would you advocate for a gender-neutral Olympics where all the men and women compete together?

Speaker 2 She went, Yes. And then she said, Especially in track and field where there's really no advantage.
Oh my God.

Speaker 2 So imagine you Usain Boltz

Speaker 2 in lane one and then the women in lane two, three and four. Apparently he has no physical advantage over the women.
What a load of baloney. What an idiot.

Speaker 2 And this woman wants to be the governor of a state where I own a property in LA. And I'm like, this seat's insane.
Gender-neutral Olympics. Think about it.

Speaker 2 Women, they've worked out that women would win, I think, two medals if they did that in the entire Olympics. And this is supposed to be a woman who wants to run California who thinks she's pro-women.

Speaker 3 It's enough to make you want to see it happen. Like, with all due respect, right? You just want to see it happen one year because that would be the last year we'd see it happen ever anywhere again.

Speaker 2 Just to put the lie to it. I don't think Betty Yee is going to be governor of California.
I don't think so either. No.

Speaker 3 God willing.

Speaker 3 I don't think it's going to be Katie Porter either, though I could be wrong. I have to say, I had a lot of thoughts on that Katie Porter thing.

Speaker 3 I have to say, like, the employee shouldn't have been in the shot, just to be perfectly perfectly honest. But she could have handled that so much differently.

Speaker 3 She should have come out instead of being like, you know, I understand, I try to be respectful, but she should have come out and said, like, sometimes I get pissed.

Speaker 3 You know, like, I don't care.

Speaker 3 That reporter was annoying. She was digging at me.
I didn't like her. And I was just to be honest, that's who I am.
People would have responded to me.

Speaker 2 But you know what? People that get caught like that, it's never the first time they've done it, is it? You know what I mean? I watched that and thought, she's doing that all day long.

Speaker 2 Those poor staff, can you imagine the hell of working for Katie Porter? Well, who has it worse? My shot!

Speaker 3 The Katie Porter staff or the Megan Markle staff?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Who would you rather work for?

Speaker 2 Katie, right?

Speaker 3 Or Megan, because at least you could spy on them and see their weird little life.

Speaker 2 Do we have to go to the bathroom? We definitely have to. There's only one Megan I can actually still be civil to, and it's the one sitting to my left.

Speaker 2 The other one.

Speaker 3 You know, she's getting back into acting, Piers. I'm sure you saw that.
She's shooting a movie now.

Speaker 2 She's playing herself in a movie.

Speaker 3 Yeah,

Speaker 3 which is, I guess, acting.

Speaker 2 Yeah, look.

Speaker 2 I'm actually genuinely curious. Are there any fans of Megan Markle in tonight? No.

Speaker 2 Oh, hang on.

Speaker 2 There is

Speaker 2 one lone hand has raised a single. Subversive.

Speaker 2 Actually,

Speaker 2 that is one more than I expected, I have to be honest.

Speaker 3 Do you think she's going to make it?

Speaker 2 And remember, I used to do a show called Good Morning Britain in Britain. And I love that show.

Speaker 3 That was a great show.

Speaker 2 And in five years, we trebled the ratings. It was on fire.
Everyone loved it. And then came the Oprah Winfrey win-a-thon, as I call it.

Speaker 3 You and I were on together the morning after that.

Speaker 2 Remember that?

Speaker 3 I had no show. I was sitting in my living room.
We took that thing down.

Speaker 2 Well, because there were certain things she said in that, and halfwit Harry, her husband.

Speaker 2 And one of the things they said was that the Archbishop of Canterbury had secretly married them in their back garden three days before the wedding on TV.

Speaker 2 So we did a quick check, because I thought, that can't be right. And we did a quick check.

Speaker 2 It turns out that had the Archbishop of Canterbury secretly married them in their garden, he would have broken the law and been sent to prison.

Speaker 2 So I thought, yeah, old Princess Pinocchio is off on a good one here.

Speaker 2 And then the rest of it was, and all the racism claims turned out to be bullshit. The mental health claims were bullshit.
All of it was bullshit.

Speaker 2 Designed to damage and attack the royal family, the monarchy, and all of it. And it made me puke.

Speaker 3 Let's not forget the Oprah performance. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 What?

Speaker 2 They did.

Speaker 2 What? These people? What?

Speaker 2 How dark your baby was.

Speaker 2 It was ridiculous.

Speaker 2 And you know who they were talking about, by the way, because they accidentally put the names of the alleged racists in a, I think it was a Danish copy of the book by Omid Scobie, this

Speaker 2 little rat bag who writes books supporting them. And

Speaker 2 the two members of the royal family who apparently expressed concern about the skin colour of their unborn child were King Charles, Prince Charles at the time, and Catherine, William's wife.

Speaker 2 Now, how likely do you think it is that either of those two people expressed negative concern about the skin colour of an unborn child?

Speaker 2 Absolutely big, fat, zero.

Speaker 2 And yet that was what they told the world in that interview. That's why I thought it was so disgusting.

Speaker 2 And all right, in the end, I was told that 57,000 people complained to the television regulator Ofcom in the UK.

Speaker 2 A world record, I'm proud to say, complained about me for not believing Princess Pinocchio.

Speaker 2 So I was then told by my bosses, look, by the way, rule one here, never apologise, never clarify, never do anything. I can verify that.

Speaker 2 We know this. So we did a clarification the next day, and it made no difference.
The complaints kept coming in.

Speaker 2 And eventually my bosses said, Can you just apologise to Meghan Markle or you're going to have to maybe lose your job? I went, I'll take the job option. Thanks.
I'll leave.

Speaker 2 And I walked off into the sunset. That's right.

Speaker 2 Because.

Speaker 2 Two things about the woke mob, and she's the high priestess of Wokery, and her husband's the high priest half-wit of Wokery.

Speaker 2 And the truth about it is, never bow to the mob, never grovel, never apologise, never give them an inch.

Speaker 2 And when you have something, it's a point of principle, stand up for yourself and walk the fuck out. Yes, yes.

Speaker 3 Amen. Preach.

Speaker 3 I know you've lived it, I've watched it.

Speaker 3 She's a bully, and her acting career, whatever she's trying to do, is going to fail, just like everything else she touched fails.

Speaker 2 Didn't you think the Dodgers video clip from the

Speaker 2 living room

Speaker 2 with her waltzing around?

Speaker 2 Like a hyena. Literally, like a hyena with a spear in its back, wasn't it?

Speaker 2 And Harry's face. The half-wit sat there like he was doped out of his brains, which he probably was.

Speaker 2 And the whole thing was so cringe, wasn't it? It was awful. Terrible.

Speaker 3 I really want there to be a season three, though, of With Love, Megan. Don't you want to see another? Do you want to see another Maureen Callahan parody? We got to do it.
We did a little parody of it.

Speaker 2 Ours was fuck off, Megan.

Speaker 3 And I think I can channel her better than she can channel her.

Speaker 2 I think I'm a much more likable version of her.

Speaker 3 As I said in the parody, as she's encouraging people to drink more, people tend to like me better when they're intoxicated. And I think that's really been her experience.

Speaker 3 So I don't think the acting career is going to do it, but the name of the movie is Close Personal Friends. And I thought, how ironic Pierre is, because she has none of those.

Speaker 2 None.

Speaker 2 Right?

Speaker 3 I mean, like you see the parade of people who go through her little TV show and it's all like, oh this is the person who might my closest and dearest friends and they're sitting there and she's like, oh do you have children?

Speaker 3 That is your best friend.

Speaker 2 What was your name again?

Speaker 2 It's amazing.

Speaker 3 All right, but you mentioned that you mentioned British television, how poorly you were treated, and it was disgusting.

Speaker 3 And like the UK is even wokier than we are and they're very annoying and they're way more Muslim than we are, radical Muslim, and way more pro-immigrant. It's bad.
It's bad.

Speaker 3 You guys are a canary in the coal mine in a lot of ways for us. But we saw something happen on the BBC this week that made national headlines, international headlines, and it was absurd.

Speaker 3 So this woman, this presenter, as you say,

Speaker 3 was doing a report about

Speaker 3 various groups who might be affected by some medical policy, and the list included,

Speaker 3 should have included, pregnant women, but instead this happened. We have the soundbite.
Let's watch it.

Speaker 18 London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine has released research which says that nearly 600 heat-related deaths are expected in the UK.

Speaker 18 Malcolm Mistry, who is involved in the research, says that the aged, pregnant people, women, and those with pre-existing health conditions need to take precautions.

Speaker 3 Would you believe for that

Speaker 3 they're trying to give her the Piers-Morgan treatment?

Speaker 2 They just upheld 20 complaints against her. Imagine who those 20 people are, right?

Speaker 2 Just imagine, stuck in their dungeon at home, right, in their joyless woke dungeon, and decided to complain about a woman presenter being forced to read the words pregnant people.

Speaker 2 Well, how many times have you seen a pregnant man

Speaker 2 in your life?

Speaker 2 How many times do you think you'll see a pregnant man in the rest of your life? Here's a spoiler alert. You won't.
There aren't any pregnant men.

Speaker 2 It is bullshit.

Speaker 3 It's so mad.

Speaker 2 You know the irony, Megan. The irony, I tell that story in my book, Woke is Dead, about that incident.

Speaker 2 And I say, wasn't it great that the BBC didn't bow to the mob and actually didn't take any action against her? As my book is published in America now,

Speaker 2 They come back and they punish her. I mean, you literally couldn't make it up.

Speaker 3 Yes, no. I mean, is she going to to lose her job over this?

Speaker 2 I don't think so, but it's just, I wish every female presenter at the BBC stood up and walked out until they withdrew the ruling against her. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Because no woman should have to be made to read out the words pregnant people.

Speaker 2 It is actually about the

Speaker 2 complete disintegration of

Speaker 2 gendered language that benefits women. You know, we talked about...

Speaker 3 It's the truth. It's about the disintegration of women.

Speaker 2 And mothers became birthing people. I mean, what does it mean?

Speaker 2 Nothing.

Speaker 3 Nor is chest feeding a thing. That's also a lie.

Speaker 2 Chest feeding.

Speaker 2 Chest feeding!

Speaker 2 What the fuck is that?

Speaker 3 It's also known as child abuse.

Speaker 3 This poor woman, her sin in that video was not just that she corrected the term pregnant people, but then they said she made a face.

Speaker 3 She made a face.

Speaker 3 That expressed personal opinion. Meanwhile, people are all over the BBC expressing opinions, especially on race.
race, like when they watch sporting events and so on.

Speaker 3 There's never any discipline. It's only in something.

Speaker 2 It's a democracy. It's a really bad misstep by the BBC.
I actually like the BBC. It's a lot of great stuff.
Honestly, but they've grown very woke.

Speaker 2 And this is an example of why, although I say woke is dead, it's an aspiration. It still pokes his head up, and you've got to rebel it.
The reason I think it's dead,

Speaker 2 the story recently of Graham Linehan, the comedian, Irish comedian. Came on our show.

Speaker 2 Pretty fearless guy. He winds people up with the way he he says stuff.
Fair enough. He could be very abrasive.

Speaker 2 But he's fought a pretty lonely battle on behalf of women's rights against the trans activists. And it's cost him everything.
Cost him his marriage, his home, his job, his livelihood.

Speaker 2 He was the creator of Father Ted, one of the great comedies. And

Speaker 2 we should give him a round of applause, actually. Yeah, go Graham.
And

Speaker 2 not all heroes wear capes, right? They can come in all in all guises. And he's an unlikely hero, but he became one for me because the other day, he comes into Heathrow Airport.

Speaker 2 And it's the first time he's been back to the UK since he put two jokes on X, on his X account, in April. And one joke was, to summarise it, was a bit of a lame gag, but is it really that terrible?

Speaker 2 He talked about a trans

Speaker 2 woman coming into a woman's changing room, and he said, what, the best thing to do is kick them in the balls. Now, look.

Speaker 2 Some will find that funny. Some will think it's a bit over the top.
All right. You know, if you go to any comedy club in the world, you'll hear jokes like that every 10 seconds.
That was the joke.

Speaker 2 It sat there on his exit account. People either laughed or didn't laugh as we've done tonight.

Speaker 2 But when he came into Heath Robe three, four weeks ago, five armed police officers were waiting to arrest him and take him to the cells for his joke. Five armed police.

Speaker 2 And in that moment, I realized my country, which was, you know, Winston Churchill fought World War II with the help of the Americans, before you all remind me. And thank you.
Thank you.

Speaker 2 We're pretty proud of that. Thank you.

Speaker 2 No, genuinely thank you. It was a great team effort.
We repelled them together. It was great.

Speaker 2 But you know, that war was fought to save us from the Nazis, who would have killed free speech in a second. What are we doing in the United Kingdom?

Speaker 2 And several hundred people have been arrested for tweets and social media posts in the last couple of years. It is completely ridiculous.

Speaker 2 You cannot have a free democratic society if you don't aggressively defend freedom of speech and freedom of expression. It is the cornerstone of a democracy.

Speaker 3 Obviously we love our First Amendment and I know you and many other Brits are jealous of it. I mean the First Amendment is being eroded day by day even here, but at least we have it.

Speaker 3 It's a very important principle of how we live the way we do.

Speaker 3 I think the woke mind virus is uniquely tied to a deep unhappiness. You know, you never meet a super happy woke person.

Speaker 2 They're joyless.

Speaker 3 Right, utterly joyless. And that brings me to.

Speaker 2 They never laugh at any jokes. Have you noticed? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Nothing is ever funny.

Speaker 2 No book is ever a good read. They're all toxic.
Every movie is toxic. Everything, clothing you wear at Halloween is toxic.

Speaker 3 And they are toxic.

Speaker 2 They themselves are the toxic ones.

Speaker 3 They become toxic. So they're always deeply unhappy, which brings me, of course, to Michelle Obama.

Speaker 3 Again, to quote Stephen L. Miller, Miller, Red Stees on X, I regret to inform you we've disappointed the Obamas again.

Speaker 3 She's been out there promoting her new fashion book. I know all you ladies look up to Michelle Obama as a fashion icon, do you not? Anna Wintour told us she is.

Speaker 2 Hello. She was on the cover of Vogue four times.

Speaker 3 Melania Trump, zero. Okay.
Not as first lady anyway, when she was an actual supermodel and Mary Trump, they gave her one.

Speaker 3 In any event, so Michelle Obama's been doing a book tour to promote her fashion book. And the latest, she's been making all sorts of news for the wrong reasons.

Speaker 3 And the latest bit that she offered was how tough it was to be First Lady because of the hair, makeup, and wardrobe team she had to deal with. Here's just a little sampling of what she's been saying.

Speaker 14 The job of First Lady is an interesting job, non-job.

Speaker 14 You know, it doesn't come with a real salary or a job description.

Speaker 14 No one technically elected the first spouse, I'll say.

Speaker 14 We've only had first ladies.

Speaker 14 You're supposed to be aspirational, but representational, reachable, approachable.

Speaker 14 You're supposed to be feminine, but not too sexy. Barack wears the same suit, changes his tie, buttons up.

Speaker 14 His decision or a man's decision is: do I go with a striped shirt or a plain white shirt? Yes. Do I go with a red tie or blue tie?

Speaker 14 If the day is long and there are a lot of events, which was always a challenge for me with Barack, if we'd go from Air Force One to a hike to, you know, a fundraiser.

Speaker 14 What do I wear?

Speaker 2 Hold on.

Speaker 3 Stand by. There's another one.
Sat 3.

Speaker 2 Stand by.

Speaker 14 I was accused of being angry.

Speaker 14 It was shocking to me. Well,

Speaker 14 I didn't really have that choice this first lady. Of course.

Speaker 14 Every day, every time I was up, as we called it, you know, I was up for the public. Yes.
And the days were long. So, as you mentioned, to save time,

Speaker 14 I know having a GLAM team, a trifecta, it feels like a luxury, but it was a time

Speaker 14 necessity

Speaker 14 there's absolutely no way that I would be able to do my hair and makeup and have clothes ready that fit you know because

Speaker 14 where is the woman that can live off the rack

Speaker 3 right no one can live off the rack

Speaker 3 I'm sorry, but you have you have to subject yourself to the burdens of a hair makeup. And

Speaker 2 by the way, how rich have they become since they left office? I mean, this is the difference.

Speaker 2 They serve their country on a not insignificant sum of money. I think it's about $400,000 a year, the president guess.
And they live in unparalleled luxury the entire time they're in office.

Speaker 2 And when they leave, they make hundreds of millions, if not billions, of dollars. Has anyone got a tiny violin for me? Yes.
I can start playing here. Yes.

Speaker 3 And by this, not for nothing, but did you see that hideous outfit she was wearing?

Speaker 2 I'm sorry. That's what having too much money does for you.

Speaker 3 I've I've just never met somebody so ungrateful in all my life. And what did she start it off with?

Speaker 2 People said I was hateful because you are.

Speaker 3 She can't stand America. She definitely can't stand Barack.
And I don't think she likes herself very much either. So she's been doing this non-stop tour.
And I just think there's a strain. She's woke.

Speaker 3 He's woke.

Speaker 3 There's a strain in the woke that leads you to be absolutely miserable, which is why they too should be praying for woke to die.

Speaker 2 And it's why I know this audience is not woke because you seem so happy. Yes.
Look at me, look. Totally happy.
Genuinely happy people.

Speaker 2 Or it may be, having come from England recently where it was pouring with rain and freezing cold, as it is for about eight months of a year, it may just be because of the weather. Yeah, go Miami.

Speaker 2 The Florida weather.

Speaker 3 Enjoy it while you're here.

Speaker 2 I will.

Speaker 3 Thank you, Piers Morrigan. I love you so much.

Speaker 2 Thank you very much. Thank you.
You're amazing.

Speaker 3 Such a great guy.

Speaker 3 Not the Brits.

Speaker 3 Save Great Britain. Say a prayer for them.

Speaker 3 They're in a rough spot, too. They had a preview of Mom Donnie over there.

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Speaker 3 Speaking of politics,

Speaker 3 my next guest barely needs an introduction. He is a very, very well-known Trump.
He's not the best-known Trump, but he's a very, very well-known Trump.

Speaker 3 And I would say, knowing most of the Trumps, I think Eric is the most dignified Trump in many ways.

Speaker 3 He holds himself with a certain class, a certain elegance, a certain gentlemanliness. And he's just as pugilistic as his brother and his father.
He can give just as good as he gets.

Speaker 3 But he's one of the nicest Trumps, too. He's a sweet guy.
And even when his father and I were not getting along, he would come on my show. He was always kind to me.

Speaker 3 His dad would send him out there because he knew he was probably a Trump who could really win me over. And he was not wrong about that.
Eric Trump did exactly that.

Speaker 3 And I think it's no accident if you know Eric why Don Sr.

Speaker 3 has Eric running the Trump organization. Right? He's got a head for business and he's got an affable personality, but he has fought with the best of them.

Speaker 3 He and his brother Don are the most subpoenaed men in the United States.

Speaker 3 He has a number one best-selling book right now called Under Siege, which is an amazing read, but it's also a deeply disturbing one because what's been done to them, and the fact that Eric Trump can still be an affable, gentlemanly, nice guy, notwithstanding what the Biden administration put them through and the Obama administration too, is a testament to his good character and good genes.

Speaker 3 So Eric is now in a position where he has a great wife. He's got a great family, right? Lara Trump, let's hear for her.
He's got a great family and he too has an aptitude for the political world.

Speaker 3 So could he be the person who gives us Trump on the ballot when the elder can no longer run? We'll ask him in a minute, but first, take a look at this diddy.

Speaker 3 Trump was king of the world before he was President of the United States, and you had a front row seat.

Speaker 2 They were the ultimate power couple in the world. My mom was an amazing woman.
Man, was she tough.

Speaker 3 If I didn't hit something out there to man, I would know my day.

Speaker 14 I would get it.

Speaker 2 We got out of line as a kid. She would grab you by the neck, her long fake nails.
They go into your neck,

Speaker 2 and it was the best thing that ever happened to us.

Speaker 3 Little did you know that you were going to need that tough skin in more ways than one.

Speaker 2 He called me and he goes, honey, you got the kids. So I bring up Ivanka Don and he looks at us and he goes, you know, kids, I'm going to do this.

Speaker 13 We need somebody. that literally will take this country and make it great again.

Speaker 2 We hardly knew what a delegate was. We hardly knew what a caucus was.
We didn't know a damn thing about politics. In fact, you come into the story.

Speaker 3 Eric Trump is here, the Republican candidate's son.

Speaker 2 And he's like, I need somebody who's going to defend me on this show tonight.

Speaker 12 He wants to put America first. Right?

Speaker 2 There's 100 million people in this country that are out of work. Yet people are coming over the border unchecked every single day and it's just not right.

Speaker 2 And I mean, if you want to talk about faking it until you make it, like, I think that was my first experience in politics with you, Megan. I mean, we are really going to win in Leiden.

Speaker 2 There's just no question about it. He said, you know what? We're going to find out who our true friends are.
And they are going to come after us so viciously. You have no idea.
I became the pinata.

Speaker 2 I was getting a subpoena every single day, $400 million defending from just totally insane attacks. Guys, this is a political witch hunt.
This is the hell that they put us through, Megan.

Speaker 3 The home of former President Trump searched by FBI agents.

Speaker 2 If there's ever a siege, I mean, that was the literal siege of our home. When they took his passports, they went through Melania's closet.
They went through Barron's room. They were unrelenting.

Speaker 2 Her whole platform that she raised money on was: I'm going to go after Donald Trump. I'm going to get his family.
I'm going to force them out of New York.

Speaker 3 You know, and it's a travesty.

Speaker 2 I mean, I remember when they read off those 34 felony convictions, and we were in the car. He said, Honey, I don't know how.
It was the lowest moment of all of them, right?

Speaker 2 I don't know how, but somehow we're going to win this. And he didn't just mean the court case, he meant the entire presidency.

Speaker 2 And I looked at him, I go, Dad, it's either the White House or it's two jail cells for us because that's what they wanted.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 2 Eric Trump, everyone!

Speaker 3 Such a great guy.

Speaker 2 So I'm the nicest Trump.

Speaker 3 I think so.

Speaker 2 You might be. You know what? I think Tiffany's the nicest Trump actually.

Speaker 3 She might be, yeah. Well, of the male Trumps, we don't know Baron as well.

Speaker 2 Yeah, well, Don's kind of a jerk, right?

Speaker 2 My father's pretty tough.

Speaker 2 You're old.

Speaker 2 And Baron's young, right? He's not old enough to be a jerk and get away with it, right? Like, you'd really...

Speaker 2 If you were a jerk at 18 years old, you're just kind of like pompous and like a prick.

Speaker 3 Baron's the quietest Trump. We don't know him as well.

Speaker 2 He's a little shy. Yeah.
But yet he's, you know,

Speaker 2 Barron's smart as hell. He's got a...
Do you remember that whole controversy where he went up to Biden, right? Yes.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 they had all these lip-reading experts, and they just, you know, and they're like, Baron just told Biden to go F himself.

Speaker 2 So one night, I'm very close to Baron. I love Baron to death, right? One night I call Baron.
I go, buddy, what did you actually say? And he goes, you know.

Speaker 2 It was something so polite, I almost wouldn't even get it right, but like, you know, congratulations and, you know, best of luck to you, or something like that, something very respectful.

Speaker 2 And I said that. Patrick Bett David, I was on his show.
And he goes, did Barron release tell Biden to go F himself? I'm like, he just doesn't have that in him. Like, he's a nice guy.

Speaker 2 He's probably thinking it. He definitely has it up here, but like, he's too courteous to actually go out there and say it.
But

Speaker 2 Baron's a really nice kid.

Speaker 3 But it's so typical of the media to just assume the worst about every Trump, right? They cannot see your family clearly at all, even after all these years.

Speaker 2 No, they can't, nor did they want to, right? I mean, they probably could. You go back to the NBC days, right? My father had the number one show on The Apprentice.
Everybody saw it.

Speaker 2 Did anybody here watch The Apprentice?

Speaker 3 Our last guest won it.

Speaker 2 So this was 14 seasons. I was on the last seven seasons, all those celebrity apprentice seasons.
NBC absolutely adored us. NBC was dying at that time.
CBS was winning everything.

Speaker 2 NBC adored my father because he's the only thing that was keeping that channel alive. And guess what?

Speaker 2 My father went down the escalator, that golden escalator, and instantaneously, like this guys, they turned on him like he he was a dog, like they had never met him before.

Speaker 2 So it's not that they can't see who you are, it's that they choose not to, right? Out of their own political animus, out of their, you know, kind of corporate motivations.

Speaker 2 So they know my father is a good person. They just couldn't get around to ever acknowledging he was a good person because it just didn't fit their mantra.
Now, my father was a Democrat.

Speaker 2 You better believe that they would have absolutely loved him, right? And Chuck Schumer was the same way. You know, Chuck Schumer loved my father.
Hillary Clinton loved my father, went to his wedding.

Speaker 2 The second he went down that escalator, he was, you know, a no-good son of a, you know, what.

Speaker 3 You know, they. Did Nancy Pelosi ever love him?

Speaker 2 Does anybody in this room like Nancy Pelosi?

Speaker 2 It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable.
What's that? She does. By the way, she lives.
I live in Jupiter, Florida. She has a house right next to me.

Speaker 2 Oh, wow. We've got some Jupiter people here.
I love it.

Speaker 2 Go, Jupiter. By the way, guys, moving to the great state of Florida was single-handedly the best thing that I've ever done in my life.

Speaker 2 I actually call it

Speaker 2 fleeing communism. So, and by the way, I said that before, Mandami.
Now you're really fleeing communism. Now you're actually fleeing.

Speaker 3 So, Nancy Pelosi had some thoughts that she shared recently on your dad. And you know, there's a lot of bad guys in the world.
I mean, there's genuinely bad guys out in the world.

Speaker 3 But to hear Nancy Pelosi tell it, there's only one who really, really stands out. Take a listen to this.

Speaker 19 He's just a vile creature.

Speaker 19 The worst thing on the face of the earth.

Speaker 2 But anyway.

Speaker 5 You think he's the worst thing on the face of the earth?

Speaker 19 I do. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I do.

Speaker 5 Why is that?

Speaker 19 Because he's the President of the United States and he does not honor the Constitution of the United States. In fact, he's turned the Supreme Court into a rogue court.

Speaker 19 He's abolished the House of Representatives.

Speaker 2 He has?

Speaker 2 Get a drink.

Speaker 3 He abolished the House of Representatives?

Speaker 2 She's actually drunk, but... I mean, did she just win the Masters? Do you see that jacket that she was wearing, the bright green jacket?

Speaker 3 Another fashion icon.

Speaker 2 You know, it's really amazing. Paul Pelosi makes Warren Buffett look like a mediocre investor based on his returns.
Isn't it really interesting that

Speaker 2 the single greatest stock picker of all time was Nancy Pelosi?

Speaker 2 Everybody, you know, they have all these websites that follow, they're like indices that follow the politicians on all their stock buys, trades, shorts.

Speaker 2 I mean, she's up like 80% a year, year over year, every year.

Speaker 2 Isn't it really interesting that, like, you know, right before a big company gets indicted, she drops a stock, she shorts the stock, then three days later, before some, you know, legislation goes through, she's buying it.

Speaker 2 I mean, this is like the epitome of corruption. And by the way, then she was the one that was bitching at me when I would have a guest go into Trump International Hotel Doral,

Speaker 2 buy a margarita at the bar, and she was saying that we were profiting off of the presidency, literally a hotel that we had 20 years before my father even decided to run.

Speaker 3 And yet, it's unbelievable.

Speaker 2 it's uh it's the hypocrisy is is nothing short of a but she's you know she's retiring now that's they say she's retiring

Speaker 3 she's not gonna run again even though she's a surprise 85 years old but look who replaces her like hakeem jefferies aoc

Speaker 2 I mean this is what they had on it.

Speaker 3 This is going to be the nightmare Scott Wiener. That guy, you guys may know him even though you don't know him.
He's this far-left trans all-the-children Democrat politician out in San Francisco.

Speaker 3 He is literally the worst on the issue of trans. And the report is that she felt threatened by him.
She didn't actually think that she could beat him, which is why she's going to step down.

Speaker 3 But honestly, if you could find somebody worse than Nancy Pelosi, I think they did. This is my least favorite politician in America, that Wiener guy.

Speaker 3 Honestly, like he's my number one least favorite guy, and that's who they think is a suitable replacement.

Speaker 2 By the way, I mean, think about that last name. What is it, Wiener? What did you say? It's Wiener.
By the way, they also had Anthony Wiener, which was Cuma Abedin's ex-husband.

Speaker 2 Did anybody ever see that documentary on Netflix? It was actually called Wiener. It was hysterical.
It was very good. It's like must-watch TV if you've never seen it.

Speaker 2 By the way, this is the problem with the Democrat Party.

Speaker 2 Not that Megan and I should be giving the Democrats any advice, but like, how about you just be quasi-normal and you might actually do okay?

Speaker 2 You lost all of this country when you thought it was okay for six-foot-five men who weighed 210 pounds like me to swim against

Speaker 2 daughters and collegiate

Speaker 2 NCAA sports. How about you not go that fringe? You lost the entire country when you thought it was okay for men to change in young girls' locker rooms.

Speaker 2 At what point do they step back and realize that their policies are hated on behalf of everybody?

Speaker 2 And that's why my father had the greatest political victory in history, despite what Kamala says, by the way. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 Tightest race ever.

Speaker 2 I don't know. I think Al Gore would probably disagree with that.
The 537 votes in the state of Florida, right? I think Al Gore would probably disagree with the fact that it was the tightest race.

Speaker 2 But, you know, listen, we won the popular vote. We won every swing state.

Speaker 2 Every state in the country went to the right. We won Miami-Dade.
This county right here hadn't been won by a conservative.

Speaker 2 37 years, guys, hadn't been won by a conservative, and my father won it by 11 points. Guys, this wasn't like a minor victory.
This was like an ass-kicking, It's like a serious ass kicking.

Speaker 2 And so you would think that they would start to learn. And now

Speaker 2 it's like the most fun thing for me because I rarely stand on the stage anymore. I just kind of retired from politics.
It's actually a lot of fun to be back.

Speaker 2 But I called him the other night and I said, I go, you're doing so great. You're throwing so much damn lead in the air that they don't know what to do with it.
Like they can't catch it all, right?

Speaker 2 And by the way, he's having the most fun.

Speaker 2 He's tweaking their minds right now. Somebody asked him, like a reporter the other day asked him, you know, do you think it's okay for trans people to have guns?

Speaker 2 And are you going to remove their ability to own guns? And he goes, I'm going to consider that.

Speaker 2 And then all the Democrats, two minutes later,

Speaker 2 all Americans have the right to own firearms. They have a second.

Speaker 2 And I go, you literally. You got the Democrats.

Speaker 2 You got the Democrats to defend gun rights by one simple statement because you goaded them into it. It is.
It's the coolest freaking thing in the world.

Speaker 2 Okay, but here's what we're worried about.

Speaker 3 We know Trump can win. That's been proven time and time again.
But can Republicans win without daddy on the ticket? And I don't just mean you're daddy. The Republicans look at him that way.

Speaker 3 And this past week's election is really scary because we're not going to have Trump for too much longer.

Speaker 5 Well, is it scary or is it not scary?

Speaker 2 Like, did I ever think that we were going to win New York City? Hey, guys, guess where every conservative New Yorker lives?

Speaker 2 Right? Like, is that a great shock to me?

Speaker 2 And by the way, everybody says that Mondami's, you know, not a good politician. No, no, no, make no mistake about it.
Madami's a very good politician.

Speaker 2 He just goes around promising everybody free crap, right? And that's why they vote for this guy. And does it surprise anybody that we didn't win the People's Republic of New Jersey?

Speaker 2 Like, it certainly didn't surprise me. And yet, you know, but it's like the trap that Republicans, and you know this better than anybody, it's a trap that Republicans fall into every single time.

Speaker 2 It's like, we're going to win New Jersey. It's like, I don't know, guys.
We probably won't win New Jersey. I'm not going to lie to you, right?

Speaker 2 Like, you know, we'll pick up a lot of other victories, but we probably won't win New Jersey, especially when you have areas that that are certainly rigged. And guys,

Speaker 2 is there anybody in here, by the way, that doesn't think that the 2020 election wasn't rigged?

Speaker 2 So I said that to my father the other day. He puts out that tweet.

Speaker 2 You should go ask Barack Obama whether or not he really believes that Joe Biden got 16 million more votes than he did

Speaker 2 in 2012.

Speaker 2 And, you know, say what you will. Like, Obama is a charismatic guy.
He was a charming guy, right? He was an inspirational guy. You might might not like him, but he was at the time.

Speaker 2 Whereas Biden was hanging out in his basement. But I just think Republicans go down this.

Speaker 2 He was. Biden was literally hanging out.

Speaker 2 I would do campaign events across the street for Biden.

Speaker 2 He couldn't fill the social distancing circles, and we'd have like, you know, 2,000 people at every single one of our events. So

Speaker 2 I will never, ever, ever believe

Speaker 2 that Joe Biden won the election in 2020. At the same time,

Speaker 2 I think it was the best thing that ever happened to us that we had the little, we had the little timeout.

Speaker 2 But Republicans do have to stop going down the rabbit hole of thinking that we're going to win cities like New York, and then they put all their stock into it, and then when we don't win New York, because we have a bad candidate, and we have no candidate really, and

Speaker 2 then all of a sudden the media comes out and kills us, saying, see,

Speaker 2 you didn't win, and you promised us you were going to win. It's like, it's a really bad strategy the Republicans have, and I think we've got to stop it.

Speaker 3 But what does it say that a communist want? I mean, like,

Speaker 3 there's going left, like Bill de Blasio left, and then there's going Mamdani.

Speaker 2 Well, listen, I mean,

Speaker 2 it's shocking to me. Well, it's one of the reasons I left New York, by the way, but it's totally shocking to me.
I mean, this is a guy who promised to defund the NYPD. So he hates cops.

Speaker 2 He hates the Jews, right? I mean, he came out and said Netanyahu was

Speaker 2 a criminal, and he's going to arrest him if he ever comes into New York. He hates the Indian population.
He literally says that Modi is a war criminal. He wants to nationalize grocery stores.

Speaker 2 He He wants to raise everybody's taxes by, what, 12%?

Speaker 2 Guess what? You're just going to see a lot more people come down to New York. Other than that, and by the way, he wants to empty all jails.

Speaker 2 He doesn't believe in the concept of having jails for a city. Other than that, he's a wonderful human being.

Speaker 2 I don't know how people can vote for this guy. I really don't.
And listen, you lived in New York. I lived in New York.
We spent a lot of time in New York together, right?

Speaker 2 You were there for years. I was there for years.
And all you need to do in New York is very simple. Clean streets, safe streets, reasonable taxes.

Speaker 2 I'm not saying you need to go down to zero, but do like North Carolina-style taxes where you charge 4% or something along those lines. Knock out the city tax, knock out the state tax.

Speaker 2 And honestly, New York would be pretty unstoppable if you had that recipe. But yet, these guys create this petri dish, and it always has to be another social experiment.

Speaker 2 And that social experiment's not working, and it's devastating because I truly love everything that New York stands for, and they just routinely screw it up.

Speaker 3 Who are you hoping for in 2028 on both sides?

Speaker 2 Wait, on both sides? I'm not hoping for anybody on one side, that much I can tell you.

Speaker 2 You know what, guys? We have a different breed of fighter now. What we do, we've all found our voices.
And I mean this sincerely. Like, you know, go back to 2016.

Speaker 2 Like, who was the voice of the Republican Party other than my father? It sure as hell wasn't Jeb Bush. Right? I mean.

Speaker 3 Jeb!

Speaker 2 Look. Well, I mean,

Speaker 2 but you know, by the RNC, he was literally the anointed one, right? I mean, he got into the race. He had 300, he blew $300 million before South Carolina in 2016.

Speaker 2 That's more than we used to win the entire race, including beating Hillary Clinton.

Speaker 2 So he wasn't the voice, like, you know, Mitt Romney. Mitt Romney was, and Ben Sasse, was Ben Sasse the voice of the Republican? Of course not, right? Like, we didn't have a good Republican Party.

Speaker 2 And all of a sudden, my father goes out there and he's totally politically incorrect. And he

Speaker 2 totally politically incorrect. I think you would agree with that.
He was totally, totally, and politically incorrect.

Speaker 2 You know, and all of a sudden, he created this kind of class of fighters. And now people have backbone.
And And now we all have our voices.

Speaker 3 Quick question on that, Eric. Because Trump got more earned media coverage than anybody.

Speaker 3 He would say something crazy, and then every single media outlet would cover it for days, and then he'd say something else, and then they cover that, and so on.

Speaker 3 And so, like, he just dominated all of the media non-stop, which is what made him even bigger in his start.

Speaker 3 Well, so that's the question. Was it a tactic, or is it just your dad? It's just who he is.

Speaker 2 Oh, no, no, it was 100%.

Speaker 2 It was 100% a tactic, right?

Speaker 2 I mean, first of all, it's his personality and you can't fake personality but it's his personality but like hillary raised 1.5 billion dollars my father pretty much funded his entire campaign at least until the the general election you know we funded we self-funded the campaign you can't beat 1.5 billion dollars worth of media spend including an entire mainstream media who's in your pocket and hated our guts i mean we had like 98% negative media coverage in 2016.

Speaker 2 We still do, to tell you the truth, right? Other than the fact that the mainstream media is dead now, thank thank God. Yes.

Speaker 2 Amen. You're here.
But so, no, no, honestly, it's like, and it's the greatest thing. I mean, you're, look how many people will be watching this, right?

Speaker 2 Look how many people watch Megan's podcast, and they go, and then go

Speaker 2 and then go look at Caitlin Collins on CNN

Speaker 2 on a Wednesday night. So she's got prime time TV, she's got these big studios in Atlanta, these big studios in D.C., you know, AOL Time Warner Center in New York City.

Speaker 2 They've got thousands of employees, the most expensive studios you've ever seen. And you will blow her ratings out of the water.
It's not even close. I mean,

Speaker 2 my wife, does anybody like Laura Trump in here?

Speaker 2 She really likes Laura. Holy shit,

Speaker 2 that was really good. So 9 o'clock on, and Megan will tell you this because there's no one who knows Fox better, 9 o'clock on Saturday night is what they call Death Valley, right?

Speaker 2 It's like, it's like, but they try and put a good person in there who can actually drive ratings because it's the hardest time of the week.

Speaker 2 She's getting 2 million plus people at 9 o'clock on a Saturday night. And Caitlin Collins on CNN in the same time slot.
I'm not trying to pick on Caitlin.

Speaker 2 I actually have a nice relationship with her, but she's getting 300 to 400,000 people.

Speaker 2 What does that tell you about our country?

Speaker 2 And yet, you look at Megan's podcast, you look at, you know, I mean, you look at Joe Rogan. I mean,

Speaker 2 they can do these off of iPhones, two iPhones, and an interesting guest, and all of a sudden they're beating the biggest kind of political apparatuses in the world with brand names who spend hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars in production costs.

Speaker 2 And they're failing because no one likes the message that they're putting out there. So I think independent voice in this country has totally changed.
And it's a big difference between 2024 and 2016.

Speaker 2 Guys, 2016, you couldn't fight against the media. It was very, very tough.
And that's why you had to go do those rallies.

Speaker 2 2024, I almost feel like, you know, CBS and NBC and ABC, I almost feel like they're irrelevant at this point.

Speaker 3 Yeah, same.

Speaker 3 No, it's amazing. We have many months where just our shows, YouTube, will beat all of CNN's YouTube, every single show up and down the network with ease.
All collective.

Speaker 3 Cannot match the YouTube numbers that are.

Speaker 2 So what's your production cost versus theirs?

Speaker 3 Oh my god, a teeny tiny fraction. I remember when Anderson Cooper was doing the eight and I was doing the nine at Fox, we had 12 staffers.

Speaker 3 He had a hundred, a hundred staffers to do that show that never had any ratings for one show.

Speaker 3 So CNN is always too bloated and too boring and now too biased to last. And all of that's catching up with him.

Speaker 2 And like the interesting thing, so I was on Chris Cuomo a couple weeks ago. I'm not sure if anybody saw this interview, but it got a little explosive.

Speaker 2 And I actually, again, I have a fine relationship with Chris. I'm not trying to.

Speaker 2 But I'm sitting there and he goes over to News Nation. He's trying to be this kind of like moderate, you know, down the line.
And so I come out with this book under Siege, right? It hit number one.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 It stayed there. By the way, it hit number one by a lot, right? Number one New York Times.
And New York Times did not want to make Eric Trump number one this much, I can tell you.

Speaker 2 And Chris Cuomo asked a question that was something along the lines of, you know, do you really really believe that there was weaponization of government, you know, toward your family?

Speaker 2 Do you really believe in weapons?

Speaker 2 And I go, Chris, the same freaking people who are coming after us, Letitia James, threw your brother out of the governor's office like he was a dog and then threw you off of CNN.

Speaker 2 And you're trying to argue with me that there isn't weaponization of government?

Speaker 2 The point is, it's almost like they can't get this crap out of their DNA. They just can't, you know, like

Speaker 2 it hits them. It's hitting them personally.
It's not working. The recipe is not working.
If you're a business person and something's not working, you try something new. You change course.

Speaker 2 And yet, despite how bad it's been for them, despite the ratings, despite all of them getting fired, despite all of them getting massive pay cuts, they still just can't get there.

Speaker 2 And it is so hugely ironic to me that they, you know, they're like the last people to smell the trends of this country.

Speaker 2 and see that people no longer like them and they can't even morph their positions. And it's just, it really boggles my mind.

Speaker 3 Yeah, but we're slowly but surely getting like everybody's having that truth bomb come over them, you know, from the Sidney Sweeney moment of like,

Speaker 3 right, I'm just not going to play this game, like I'm just not, to, like I mentioned earlier, Jennifer Lawrence saying, I'm not going to talk about my political opinions anymore.

Speaker 3 And just you're starting to see a little sign here and there of mainstream media trying to be slightly more objective.

Speaker 3 Like I watched the 60 Minutes With Your Dad interview with Nora O'Donnell on Sunday, and she definitely doesn't like him. However, she did try.

Speaker 2 You could see she tried at least to do like the doe-eyed, like, but what about the people who are being arrested in the street and thrown out by Tom Homan?

Speaker 3 And she's doing that because she's afraid of Barry Weiss. who is trying to bring some more fair and balanced news over to CBS.
But so it's interesting because to me, I'm like, this is great.

Speaker 3 I'm really enjoying the self-flagellation. Like, they're never going to make it.
But it has no chance. Like, it's too late.

Speaker 2 they're dead it's like you cannot revive this patient well i mean listen you know look at 60 minutes look at their track record the last time my father was on 60 minutes was with leslie stahl he goes leslie they're spying on my campaign donald there is no proof of this right now she's asking joe biden what kind of ice cream he likes right and you know practically you know they're spying on my campaign there is no proof of this donald we just can't verify this so we can't publish we're 60 minutes you know it's very like high the laptop couldn't be verified she said

Speaker 2 the laptop can't be verified there's just nothing to be be verified about this.

Speaker 2 And then, sure enough, so that was the last time he embarrasses her because everybody knows that they were actually spying on the campaign, and everybody knows that the laptop was the laptop from hell, and it wasn't Russian disinformation, and that whole thing was a sham.

Speaker 2 You know, and then fast forward to Kamala going on there. They ask her a question about Israel.
She is incoherent. She is incapable of answering a question.

Speaker 2 It's some massive word salad of just muck, of nothing.

Speaker 2 And then they edit this whole thing to make her quasi-sound intelligent she still doesn't sound intelligent but 60 minutes was stupid enough that they ran the original answer in a promo and they ran the edited answer in the actual 60 minutes segment and somebody in the public was like wait a second the same question was answered two different ways so he sued the hell out of 60 minutes he made a fortune off of the thing because they ended up settling in a massive way

Speaker 3 By the way, how nice is the Trump library going to be at this point?

Speaker 2 What, the victory?

Speaker 3 The Trump Library is going to be the best library ever because he keeps putting these settlements toward the Trump Library.

Speaker 2 Well, can I tell you about the Trump Library? Are we allowed to go off script a little bit? Yeah, that's a good idea. Not that there is a script.
Yeah, go for it. So the Trump Library is going to be

Speaker 2 about one mile away from here, where we're sitting right now.

Speaker 3 Lucky you.

Speaker 2 And who do you think is in charge of the Trump Library?

Speaker 2 Nice.

Speaker 2 Guys, this is the most spectacular freaking building you've ever seen in your entire life.

Speaker 2 And I think everybody knows in in here we build good buildings.

Speaker 3 It doesn't look like the Obama big garbage bin that we're seeing in Chicago.

Speaker 2 So I'm really glad Megan brought up the

Speaker 2 Obama Garbage. Have you ever seen them? They go around the neighborhood and they're asking guys, what do you think of the library? And they're like, man, that thing looks like a jail.

Speaker 2 That thing does not look good, right? It's awful. And by the way, the great irony is they're like billions of dollars over budget, hundreds of millions of dollars over budget.

Speaker 2 It practically looks like nothing's happening there. And Barack Hussein Obama is getting sued every single day for discrimination.
Like the great irony that

Speaker 2 I'm like, what the? Money is escaping to everybody, it seems like. I mean, the reports are awful.

Speaker 2 I can tell you the building that I'm going to build for my father, and I'm doing it as a passion pride. I get nothing, not a penny will go missing.
The thing will get done ahead of time, under budget.

Speaker 2 And I can promise you it will be the most spectacular structure. In the country, certainly in Miami,

Speaker 2 but in all of the country. And I can't wait to show people the renderings.

Speaker 2 Outside my office, there's only one person that's seen the renderings, and that's my father. And

Speaker 2 I can tell you guys it's really something special.

Speaker 3 Please tell me there's going to be a McDonald's in it.

Speaker 2 By the way, that's a great idea. So I was on Benny Johnson, who's a friend of Megan's as well, I think, right? You and Benny are bringing it.

Speaker 2 And he goes, Eric, please tell me that there's going to be a whole wing dedicated to fake news. And I go, Benny, that's freaking genius, 100%.
So we're going to do like a fake news.

Speaker 3 That's so good.

Speaker 2 It's going to be pretty awesome.

Speaker 3 That's really good.

Speaker 3 Now, when I saw Don, Don joined me in Texas on the first leg of the tour, Don Jr., he told me a story behind the scenes about eating at the White House, like going to dine with your dad at the White House, and

Speaker 3 what your dad will typically order up, like what he likes to serve himself mostly.

Speaker 3 And I'm just wondering, without you and I haven't spoken about this, whether you've had any similar experiences where you go to dine at the White House and what your dad likes to eat.

Speaker 2 Oh, God. Well, I mean, he's a creature of habit, right? He's like, I mean, my father is like the quintessential meat and potatoes guy.
And yeah, he's like, it's funny.

Speaker 2 I had both sides of this in my life. I had my mom, who was like, you know, the glamorous European, you know, knew every street in Europe.

Speaker 2 And then I had my father on the opposite side who was just like that meat and potatoes type. And I'm definitely the meat and potatoes type guy, too.

Speaker 2 But, you know, Donald Trump loves a great cheeseburger. Donald Trump loves a great steak.
Donald Trump loves good

Speaker 2 vanilla Haagen-Daz ice cream.

Speaker 2 You know, like that's his, he loves, he loves good fries. Like, that's, you know, he loves bacon.
He's just, he's an all-American guy. And

Speaker 2 by the way,

Speaker 2 who likes me and who likes Don?

Speaker 2 Let's hear it from me.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 2 And Don?

Speaker 3 Oh, no, poor Don. No, we love Don.

Speaker 2 We love Don. Don't one of my closest friends.

Speaker 3 You will laugh because he told me, I don't think you'd mind me repeating this, Trump is really enjoying the full Thanksgiving dinner.

Speaker 2 served as just a regular meal at the White House. I'll take stuffing.

Speaker 3 Yeah, like of the turkey and the the stuffing and the cranberry sauce and the whole bit, which sounds like such a great idea.

Speaker 2 But we never do it. Like Donald Trump's bringing Thanksgiving to

Speaker 2 that brought like breakfast to like dinner.

Speaker 2 Donald Trump's bringing Thanksgiving to just, you know, to March. It's kind of cool.

Speaker 2 He might be onto something, Megan.

Speaker 3 One of the things you revealed in your book, and I didn't spoil it when you were on my show because I wanted people to buy the book, but now we can tell them, is your secret service names.

Speaker 5 So

Speaker 2 you somewhat get to to choose these, and then some of them are also kind of chosen for you. So,

Speaker 5 you know,

Speaker 2 I'm marksman because I have the Second Amendment. I love shooting.
Do we have any Second Amendment lovers in here?

Speaker 2 You know, the good thing about Florida, guys, is no one's running out of ammo. No one's running out of ammo.
We don't run out of ammo in Florida.

Speaker 2 My wife, Laura, she's marathon because she loves running.

Speaker 2 Ivanka is Muse.

Speaker 2 Tiffany is Marvel.

Speaker 2 I could go on and on, but who am I missing? My father.

Speaker 2 What the hell is Baron?

Speaker 2 What's your dad? I forget what Baron is. Mogul? My father's Mogul.
That works. Did they all have to be M's? Yeah, they all have.
So they're all M's. They're all M's.
And these are why.

Speaker 2 I don't actually think Baron's is published yet, so I think that's why maybe he was underage. Okay.
So that's why he left. Is this your current Secret Service name?

Speaker 3 Like, you're allowed to tell us that without having us killed?

Speaker 2 I think so.

Speaker 2 Either that or I just pissed off the guys backstage.

Speaker 2 Sorry, guys, if I pissed you off. It wouldn't be the first time, by the way.
We'll find out. I have to say, the Secret Service,

Speaker 2 they're the greatest people you'll ever meet in your entire life. And honestly,

Speaker 2 I love them to death. And you spend a lot of time with people over the course of four years.

Speaker 2 And I can tell you how many people from my first detail are dear friends of mine to this day and how much I respect the agency. And they didn't always have the greatest leadership.

Speaker 2 And, you know, they're too professional to ever say that. I think Kimberly Cheadle was an absolute joke, and she shouldn't have been in the job.

Speaker 2 But the men and women on the front line of the Secret Service are the greatest people in the world.

Speaker 3 What about it, Eric? Like,

Speaker 3 we talked about this a little bit, but I know you still have questions about Butler, and we all still have questions about Butler. Like, why do we know so little about the shooter? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, no, guys, it's definitely a question I have, and it's definitely a question that's bothered me and frankly pisses me off. I mean, we're getting a little deep.

Speaker 2 But here's what I'll tell you: I love Cash Patel, and I love Dan Bongino. They're phenomenal human beings.

Speaker 2 And unlike the last group of characters, these two would not hide anything. They just would not.
They would not hide anything about that situation.

Speaker 2 They would not hide anything about the Charlie Kirk situation. I saw all the conspiracy theories on the Charlie Kirk situation.
They were just too good of people, right?

Speaker 2 And they were all friends with Charlie and everything else. But no,

Speaker 2 I don't like it at all. I talk about that a lot in the book.

Speaker 2 I don't like the lack of answers. I don't like the fact that we've seen one picture of this kid.
He looks like a pre-pubescent 14-year-old. No, it's bothered me every day since.

Speaker 3 Do you think there's a chance that he was co-opted by somebody and coaxed into it?

Speaker 2 Honestly, I think it would have come out if he would have been, to tell you the truth. Listen, who the hell knows? I have serious questions when

Speaker 2 we haven't published the phones. They broke into the phones of every January 6th protester, but they can't get into this kid's phone.

Speaker 2 Every grandmother that walked the halls of the Capitol and took a selfie, they got into their phones and they didn't get to this guy's phones.

Speaker 2 I can only tell you as a son, know, when you see your father get shot in the face, you know, when you see an ear come off, you know, especially as somebody that's as protective as I am and also as a guy who's pretty much been a competitive shooter my entire life, 130-yard shot is a chip shot, guys.

Speaker 2 It's like Tiger Woods missing a four-inch putt with a competent shooter with a modern rifle, with modern-day optics. My seven-year-old son will make that shot every single day.

Speaker 2 So you can only imagine how infuriating it is for somebody like me. And you know, I just, I find it interesting that we've seen one picture of this kid.

Speaker 2 And again, he looks like he's a baby. It's this innocent little picture.
And he wasn't. This guy was an absolute animal.
So

Speaker 2 I think we're all happy the guy's no longer around and they handle the situation brilliantly.

Speaker 2 But I can tell you how pissed off I am. And I think a lot of this country is still pissed off about that situation.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I mean the whole world would have changed in that moment if he hadn't turned his head.

Speaker 3 How has Charlie's death changed things for you? I'm sure your security footprint got tighter,

Speaker 3 but how has it changed for you too, just as a man?

Speaker 2 So, I'm going to say something that's very kind of unPC to say, right, in terms of security.

Speaker 2 Guys, listen,

Speaker 2 if somebody wants to get you, they're probably going to get to you. I hate to say that, right? And Secret Service probably freaks out if I say something like that, but it's just the reality.
And

Speaker 2 what they wanted by taking out Charlie was they wanted us all to hype. They wanted us to go inside.
They wanted us off of that stage. I mean, Megan, you remember this.

Speaker 2 I saw some of the baby videos of me up there and you and I and Fox. But I mean, I spent years of my life going through every single swing state in the country.

Speaker 2 I'd grab a bullhorn, I'd hop on top of a John Deere tractor, literally on the,

Speaker 2 right, and you'd have 500 people or 1,000 people on a field, right?

Speaker 2 And that's the only way we were able to win against Hillary and against that machine was having a loud voice and just getting out there and wearing through shoes and speaking to every person we possibly could and doing it authentically and from the heart.

Speaker 2 You know, you don't think by putting a bullet in Charlie they wanted to put us all underground? Of course they did. They didn't want my voice on the stage.

Speaker 2 They sure as hell don't want her voice on the stage. You think they want my father's voice on the stage? They didn't want Charlie's voice on the stage.
They did everything they could to kill us.

Speaker 2 And literally and figuratively, that's what Under Siege is about, right? I mean, I never got a speeding ticket and I became the most subpoenaed person in the history of this country.

Speaker 2 112 subpoenas from Pocahontas and everybody else, right? And, you know,

Speaker 2 the impeachment one, impeachment two, the Russia hoax, you know, where they're making up dirty dossiers about, excuse me, I apologize because this is crude, but prostitution and golden shit and all this stuff that was not true.

Speaker 2 Hillary was paying for it. And then the, you know, calls from the FBI, Eric, I hear you have secret servers in the basement of Trump Tower that are communicating with the Kremlin.
It was lies.

Speaker 2 And then throwing you off of Twitter and Instagram and Facebook and YouTube and taking you off the ballots and states and the 91 indictments and the mug shots and the raids of Mar-a-Lago.

Speaker 2 And I mean, everything else that they did to silence our voice, keeping us in courtroom after courtroom every single day.

Speaker 2 Guys, they wanted us arrested. They wanted us in jail cells, even having done nothing wrong.
We've got every single one of those convictions overturned. But they wanted my father in prison.

Speaker 2 They wanted him voiceless. They wanted him bankrupt.
They wanted our family totally dysfunctional.

Speaker 2 And when none of that worked, you better damn believe they wanted him dead, no different than they wanted Charlie Kirk dead.

Speaker 2 And I'm sure if they had the chance, they probably wouldn't want me on the stage either. This was their tactic because they lost the argument.

Speaker 2 They lost the the narrative.

Speaker 2 And so guess what they do?

Speaker 2 They label us the whole time, Megan, right? You know, you're sexist. Well, that's kind of funny considering Kellyanne Conway, our first campaign manager, was a female.

Speaker 2 And then Susie Wiles, our second campaign manager, was a female. The first two female campaign managers ever to win presidential elections, but yet my father's sexist.

Speaker 2 And then, you know, you must be, you know, xenophobic and you must be, you know, anti-Semitic. Well, it's kind of funny, anti-Semitic.

Speaker 2 Like, my sister's converted to Orthodox Judaism, and my father's done more for the people of Israel than probably anybody. But you must be anti-Semitic.
And

Speaker 3 you know, now it's full-blown Nazi.

Speaker 2 What's that?

Speaker 3 Now it's full-blown Nazi.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Nazi, and then you're a Nazi.

Speaker 2 You're a fascist. I'm like, I don't know.

Speaker 2 Like, I'm pretty sure if you define fascism, that wouldn't be Charlie Kirk, who's literally sitting there engaging in First Amendment kind of dialogue with another person.

Speaker 2 I would say that the guy dressed in black with the sniper rifle, shooting over the heads of college kids, like that guy's probably the fascist.

Speaker 2 But, you know, it's really interesting that that's how you label us. And, you know, it's like the greatest projection of all time.
They're everything that we say we are.

Speaker 2 The problem is America no longer believes they're bullshit anymore. And that's why we won in such spectacular fashion.
Well, we...

Speaker 3 We hope that's true. You know, Tuesday's results are a little disturbing because they won with the crazy guy in New York and they won with the more moderate people in Virginia and sort of New Jersey.

Speaker 3 I don't think she's so moderate. But people are worried about the future.
So back on the original question, 2028,

Speaker 3 is there going to be a Trump on the ballot?

Speaker 2 I don't think it would be me, guys.

Speaker 2 Listen, at a certain point in your life, I can tell you politics is brutal. Politics is, you see a beautiful side of it in certain moments.

Speaker 2 When my father got Middle East peace, you realize that everything that you'd been through, that whole siege, was worth it. At the same time, you see the worst.
You see the worst of people.

Speaker 2 These guys are, you know, politicians. I generally just dislike most of them.

Speaker 2 You know, these are people, especially on the one side, that they've never opened a business. They've never had to make payroll.
They've never had to sign the front of a check.

Speaker 2 You talk to them about any complicated topic, and they generally have zero understanding of it, and yet they're the people responsible for the legislation of it. And I find that highly ironic, right?

Speaker 2 But it's a nasty game.

Speaker 2 At the same time, it can be beautiful if you can actually really kind of effectually change. But the problem is I'd see politicians go in there all the time into Washington.

Speaker 2 Eric, I'm going to go to Washington now. I'm going to make such a difference.
And I go, no, you're not. You're going to get there.
And you're going to get run over in about two and a half seconds.

Speaker 2 And that's generally what happens. And isn't it really amazing that it took this kind of brash billionaire from New York to go into Washington, D.C.

Speaker 2 and kind of give the middle finger to the entire establishment?

Speaker 2 And guys, he sat there and he didn't care. He didn't care what it cost.
And believe me, it cost us a lot of zeros.

Speaker 2 And he didn't give a damn, and he didn't care about the lawfare, and he didn't care about the impeachments.

Speaker 2 What he wanted to do is he wanted to go in there and he flicked the hornet's nest over and over and over.

Speaker 2 And every single time he flicked the hornet's nest, they got worse and worse and worse and came after him harder and harder and harder.

Speaker 2 Most people wouldn't have had the financial ability to do that and most people wouldn't have had the voice and the movement to be able to do that.

Speaker 2 It was the ultimate David and Goliath story.

Speaker 2 He had the two things that you needed. He had that incredible voice and that incredible weight of message, and he had the monetary ability to fight these guys back.

Speaker 2 We spent $400 million as a company defending ourselves from nonsense shams, the Russia hoax, which was totally fabricated, these dirty dossiers, $400 million.

Speaker 2 Anybody else would have gone in there and they would have just turned them into motion one day.

Speaker 3 Well, never mind when the criminal indictment started, which would have collapsed most people. So not Eric Trump.
I mean,

Speaker 3 is Donald Trump Sr. going to be on the back? Because, you know, he sometimes he suggests he might still be there.

Speaker 2 So we created the Trump 2028 hat. I actually did.

Speaker 2 And I wore one.

Speaker 2 It was actually

Speaker 2 my chief of staff who's back there, she created it. She's as great as Kim.
And she goes, we can print the hats on demand. And so she goes, we got to do something.
So she comes to my hat.

Speaker 2 She's holding a Trump 2028 hat. She goes, put it on.
I'm taking a picture of you. Let's post it on social.

Speaker 2 And instantly, the world started blowing up. Elon retweeted it two seconds later.
Everybody starts retweeting it. And the media goes freaking nuts.

Speaker 2 And I'm literally snapshotting, like I'm screenshotting the media, the emails to me. Does this mean your father's going to subvert the democracy of the United States and the Constitution?

Speaker 2 How dare you? I mean, this is like from Bloomberg and Time magazine. And I'm literally snapshotting it, putting laughing emojis and posting it on my Instagram and having so much fun.

Speaker 2 So, anyway, like the controversy goes on for like three days, they're melting down. Everybody finds it hysterical.
And she's like, We need to come up with a slogan for this campaign for Trump 2028.

Speaker 2 And I go, Kim, what's the slogan? She goes, Trump 2028. Rewrite the rules.
Oh, God.

Speaker 2 And the media freaking melts down again, guys. It was so great.
It's must be so great. But he takes the hat, right? He has it on his desk when Hakeem Jeffries is in there the other day.

Speaker 2 I'm not sure if you see this.

Speaker 2 And then one of these great geniuses puts the picture into Grok.

Speaker 2 Thank God we have Elon, by the way. Puts the picture into Grok and edits the picture.
So AI has my father throwing... the Trump 2028 hat at Hakeem Jeffries, and it lands perfectly on his head.

Speaker 2 And once again, the media melts down. But,

Speaker 2 hey, I mean, joking aside, to Megan's actual question, we have so many fighters right now. I'm really proud of JD.
He's doing a great job. I'm really proud of.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I'm proud of Marco. He's doing a great job.

Speaker 3 Oh, big Marco fans.

Speaker 2 And by the way, you have 30 other people that could do the job and do a phenomenal job. This is not the class of Mitt Romney that much, I can tell you.

Speaker 2 And honestly, I think my father's answer to Oprah Winfield a a long time ago, you know, like, you know, would you ever run? He said, only if it got so bad, I had no other choice.

Speaker 2 I think there's probably a couple people in our family that feel the same way. If we ever had to throw our hat into the ring, because it got really

Speaker 5 bad, maybe we would.

Speaker 2 You heard him here first.

Speaker 2 Not for now.

Speaker 2 I want to take a little time out from politics for a little while.

Speaker 3 I'll tell you one thing.

Speaker 3 When and if your dad does exit stage left, we are going to miss him.

Speaker 3 Thank you. Thank you for your family's service, for your dad's sacrifice, and yours too, Eric Trump.
You're an American hero. Love you.
Thank you.

Speaker 2 So great. Eric Trump, everybody.

Speaker 2 Thank you, Miami. We love you.

Speaker 3 We'll see you soon.

Speaker 3 Thanks for listening to The Megan Kelly Show.

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