Elitist Colbert, Shutdown Politics, and Epstein and Israel - "Megyn Kelly Live" with Adam Carolla, MTG, John Rich, Lowry and Cooke | Ep. 1190

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Speaker 16 Welcome to the Megan Kelly Show, live on SiriusXM Channel 111 every weekday at Noon East.

Speaker 16 Hello, beautiful Atlanta!

Speaker 17 Oh my god, it's incredible here!

Speaker 17 Look at this crowd!

Speaker 16 I'm honored to have you with me tonight. You guys, thank you so much for being here.
Sit, sit, enjoy yourself.

Speaker 17 Okay,

Speaker 16 this one is super special to me for many reasons. I've got my kids backstage, two out of three.

Speaker 16 And I've got my brother Pete out there with you. Pete, are you in the front? Where are you? Stand up, Peter Kelly.

Speaker 16 Where is he? Pierre, right here.

Speaker 16 That's my big brother.

Speaker 16 Pete's five years older than I am, and

Speaker 16 we're a family of three. We lost my sister a couple years ago, but she was the oldest, and then came Pete, and then came me, and he absolutely tortured me as a child.

Speaker 16 He looked out for me, but he tortured me, but it was a good kind of torture, right? It was the 70s. So we were raised right.
Our parents ignored us.

Speaker 16 Our older siblings bullied us, and we wound up having a thick skin that we would very much need later in life.

Speaker 17 Right?

Speaker 16 We're too complimentary these days. I was talking to Tucker the other night, and he was saying his parents literally never paid him a compliment.

Speaker 16 Like, they never, they were not into compliments at all. And he was saying how his dad would look over his shoulder when he was writing his thank-you notes.

Speaker 16 And if the dad ever saw the word I, he'd say, Oh, it's all about you.

Speaker 16 Right? Now, that's the exactly the opposite of the message most of us are sending our kids. Like, it is all about you.
You're so smart, and sweet, and special, junior.

Speaker 16 We're overcompensating, I think, for being ignored for the first 30 years of our lives. But I do believe that Gen X is the greatest generation.

Speaker 16 I know I'm biased, it's the greatest generation, but I did just read today that there, do you believe, guess what generation is considered the most conservative now, right now? Do you know?

Speaker 16 They're saying Gen Z. I do think that the back end of Gen Z, like our kids, they are going to be the most conservative.
But right now, you're not going to believe this. It's millennials.

Speaker 18 I know.

Speaker 16 Millennials are actually the most conservative right now. And you know what? That is such a hopeful sign because they were lunatics like 15 years ago.
So maybe there's hope for the next gen coming up.

Speaker 16 I'm feeling very, very positive about it.

Speaker 16 In that sizzle reel we did, we love the sizzle reels. We have a great producer, Jake Whitman, who puts those together and they're so fun.
You saw a clip of Jimmy Kimmel in his black face, right?

Speaker 16 That guy wore black face more times than he could count. It didn't get canceled, but not only was he in black face, he was like speaking in Ebonics doing Carl Malone.
Fine, no problem.

Speaker 16 You can be a big host of ABC News. We don't care.
So there was a soundbite that was circulating today of Jimmy Kimmel and his wife. And you know, I really do believe this.

Speaker 16 You show me the wife, and I'll tell you about the husband, right? When it comes to politics, it's very rare that there'd be a huge gulf between them, right?

Speaker 16 Just doesn't tend to work, notwithstanding James Carville and Mary Matlin.

Speaker 16 So, Jimmy and his wife gave an interview together in which the wife says she was raised by a conservative family and is talking about in the Midwest. I think she's in Missouri.

Speaker 16 And the faith, yeah, right. You'd think she'd stay normal.
That's not what happened all right just watch this

Speaker 20 it hurts me so much because um of the personal relationship I now have where my husband is out there fighting this man and to me them voting for Trump is them not voting for my husband and me and our family and I I unfortunately have kind of lost relationships with people in my family because of it.

Speaker 20 It's like, this is not just Republican versus Democrat for me anymore. It is, to me, it's family values.

Speaker 20 I like personalize everything now. When I see these terrible stories every day, I'm immediately mad at certain aunts, uncles, cousins who put him in power.

Speaker 16 And it's really hard.

Speaker 20 I wish I could deprogram myself in some way, but

Speaker 20 I get really angry. And I've sent many emails to family right before the election saying, I'm begging you.
Here's the 10 reasons not to vote for this guy. Please don't.

Speaker 20 And I either got ignored by 90% of them or got truly insane responses from a few.

Speaker 16 Unbelievable, right?

Speaker 16 I gave them the 10 reasons not to vote for this guy, but they're just too stupid to understand how right I am. Raise your hand if you lost a friend or a family member because you're a Trump supporter.

Speaker 16 Yeah, most of the people here. And I just wanted to close my opening remarks with, fuck them.

Speaker 16 They're not worth our time. Life's too short.
We have to move on without them. All right, let's get some questions going from the audience, and then we'll start the party.

Speaker 16 I'm so happy to be here with you guys.

Speaker 17 Let's go.

Speaker 16 So happy.

Speaker 16 Love you guys so much.

Speaker 16 Yes?

Speaker 16 I've been honing my question all week.

Speaker 17 Great.

Speaker 23 Hi. This is actually more directed to MTG.

Speaker 16 Okay. So maybe you can attack her.

Speaker 23 It's about immigration.

Speaker 17 Okay. All right.

Speaker 23 I teach in her district. I live in Chattanooga.

Speaker 23 One of my students made national news about a year ago. She turned illegally right, was arrested and put into detention camp.
She is one of thousands in my district.

Speaker 23 I know your stance on immigration is get them all out. I have former students that have been here 20 years.
They came across the border when they were six months old. There is no pathway for them.

Speaker 23 What is Congress doing to give them a pathway?

Speaker 16 I'll run that by her, but I think the answer is nothing because they need to go.

Speaker 16 I'm sorry. I'm not heartless.

Speaker 17 We have enough of our own problems.

Speaker 16 We can barely take care of our own citizens.

Speaker 16 Like, I'm sorry. It's not that I have no empathy for them.
It's just there has to be a priority of taking care of Americans first.

Speaker 16 But if they leave now, Trump is saying, leave now, tell us that you left, and then we can maybe get you back in and do this the right way, but you came in the wrong way, and you're going to have to leave.

Speaker 16 I'm sorry. Next up.

Speaker 16 Hey, Megan. Love your hat and shirt.

Speaker 17 Thank you.

Speaker 24 I'm Reagan Atkins, and I go to Auburn University.

Speaker 24 Awesome.

Speaker 17 Yeah?

Speaker 24 And I recently just went to the turning point event and got this free hat. I just wanted to mention that.

Speaker 20 That's beautiful.

Speaker 16 But my question is for you, is as someone who, like after college, I want to start a family, how do you like recommend for me like how to do it all like you're doing right now that's a good question so I'm a big fan if you can do it of finding your husband like soon right I do I think like college I would love Yates and Yards if you're listening I would love for you to find somebody in college and get married before you're 25 or six really it's about me because I'm old and I want to know my grandchildren

Speaker 16 but honestly it is kind of about me the reason I'm giving this answer because I didn't meet my husband Doug until I was 35 and then we we got married very soon we had kids at 38 40, and 42, which is like I'm like Methuselah having children out here.

Speaker 16 And while I wouldn't change a thing about it, if I could move it back 10 years, I 100% would because I want all the time I can get with my kids and then with my grandkids.

Speaker 16 And I think young women aren't told that. If you wait too long, you know, we do have a window of opportunity.

Speaker 16 And while I was lucky that the fertility didn't turn off, a lot of women aren't that lucky. So I really would prioritize first finding a mate, finding a husband, and building a family.

Speaker 16 And the career will always be there to build. And you can do building blocks along the way while you're doing that for the career.

Speaker 16 Like, you can slowly get your degree or an advanced degree, what have you. But I think having meeting, meeting a spouse and having your children first should be first in line.

Speaker 17 Good.

Speaker 16 What's his name?

Speaker 24 His name's Garrison.

Speaker 16 Garrison, do the right thing.

Speaker 17 Hi, Megan. Hi.

Speaker 25 My name is Joshua.

Speaker 25 My question is, during a recent stop, you had Ben Shapiro as a guest and he had made some claims about Candace saying that she had said certain things online and when he made those claims you looked visibly undercom uncomfortable because you know you hadn't heard that and couldn't verify that.

Speaker 25 So my question is why did you look so uncomfortable in that moment and have you researched the claims that he made since?

Speaker 16 Thank you for that.

Speaker 16 Yeah, no, he said that Candace has been claiming Erica Kirk was behind the murder of Charlie, which I had not not heard, and I was taken aback because that seems like something I would have heard.

Speaker 16 It's so crazy. And I have since learned it is not true.

Speaker 16 Candace has not made that claim. And in fact,

Speaker 16 I've now seen several clips of Candace specifically defending Erica Kirk and saying she would never make a claim like that about Erica and that she, you know, she is open-minded to other people at Turning Point.

Speaker 16 That's obvious. She's been making that point.
I had heard that point.

Speaker 16 But she's specifically been defending Erica Kirk and she's been saying she does not think that of Erica. And in fact, if you read her comments, she's under pressure to make comments about Erica.

Speaker 16 And so far, what I've seen, she hasn't. So thank you for that question.

Speaker 17 Hi, Megan. Hi.

Speaker 27 Carrie Preston.

Speaker 22 Love you. You're the light of my day.

Speaker 19 Oh, thank you. Firstly, I'm from Virginia, so pray for me.

Speaker 17 Oh, God.

Speaker 16 Do not violate a law for the love of God.

Speaker 16 I don't understand. You do not want that man predicting your future.

Speaker 17 I don't understand.

Speaker 19 Secondly, I just sent you a resume.

Speaker 22 Please look at it.

Speaker 17 Aww, awesome.

Speaker 16 You know, we're doing well. We are hiring.

Speaker 17 I know. I saw.
All right.

Speaker 19 Thirdly, my question is, my biggest fear, and there's a lot of fears, but my biggest one is the Islamic takeover of the Western civilization.

Speaker 17 Who feels that way?

Speaker 17 Yes, right. We're not alone.

Speaker 19 And so when I say these, this to certain people, they look at me like I have three heads. I have a tinfoil foil hat on.
So how do we get this message across?

Speaker 19 Because it does sound a little conspiratorial. So how do we make it sound like it's an actual real threat?

Speaker 16 Well, that's a good point. I mean, it's hard for you to play sound bites for your friends, right? But

Speaker 17 you should.

Speaker 16 Like, I'm going to play you some tonight that you could play, like, out of Minneapolis and Dearborn, which are gone. I mean, really, they're under Islamic control.

Speaker 16 Dearborn in particular, but Minneapolis, close second. And then there's New York City,

Speaker 16 which,

Speaker 16 you know, 20 plus years after being bombed by radical Muslims, elects a guy who seems to love radical Muslims. Whether he's one of them, we're about to find out.

Speaker 16 He is Muslim, but I mean, like, as soon as he got

Speaker 16 in the mayor's office, the mayoral post, he seems to have dropped the mask.

Speaker 16 First thing was he went to a mosque with a very controversial imam, which is the last thing he did before he got elected mayor to.

Speaker 16 I got my eye on this guy, and I'm sorry sorry to say, I think he's going to make your point rather clear for your friend very soon.

Speaker 17 All right, Jerry Preston, I send you to the next question.

Speaker 16 Thank you. Got it.

Speaker 29 Good evening, Megan. It's wonderful to meet you.

Speaker 17 Oh, it's so nice to see you.

Speaker 29 This comment is actually more for Congresswoman Green.

Speaker 29 I am one of her constituents. I live in Paulding County, and I am here to beg her.
beg her do not cave to the Democrats on health insurance.

Speaker 29 My son works,

Speaker 29 sorry, My son works for the Department of War, and he has not been paid. And even he says, do not cave to the Democrats, no matter what.

Speaker 16 We're going to talk about it. Thank you for teeing up for me.

Speaker 17 Hi, Megan. I'm Brooks.
Hi.

Speaker 30 I've been watching you since I was 16 on the Kelly file and now I'm 25.

Speaker 17 Oh, wow. Oh, wow.
So

Speaker 30 my question is, we just had this moment of unity among conservatives with the assassination of Charlie Kirk,

Speaker 30 and then we get to the election. Such a short window of time.
How do we screw that up?

Speaker 16 Oh, God.

Speaker 16 Smarter people than yours truly are going to be answering that for us in about a minute, right? We've got Rich Lowry and Charles C.W. Cook.
I'm really looking forward to their analysis on it.

Speaker 16 And I'll ask MTG too.

Speaker 16 There's no question we're seeing a Trump backlash. I mean, there's just like what has changed from last November to this one.

Speaker 16 The biggest thing is Republicans are in power, and in some places, but quite a few of them, we're seeing a backlash. And what exactly it is it that they're backlashing to?

Speaker 16 Ask a different person, you'll get a different answer. My own belief is that President Trump, while he's accomplished a number of amazing things, has not been laser focused on the economy.

Speaker 16 And that's the number one issue, and they're feeling it. Thank you.

Speaker 16 Hi, Megan. My name is Jenna.

Speaker 21 My daughter says that we are best friends.

Speaker 27 You just don't know it yet.

Speaker 17 I love that.

Speaker 27 I am basically a brunette, less attractive version of you, and so we need to be friends.

Speaker 17 I am also a brunette.

Speaker 21 My question is,

Speaker 27 my daughter is here with me today, and she's 25, and we're a little at odds for the first time in our lives, because I've raised three adult, wonderful, conservative children over the Israel issue.

Speaker 27 So I'm wondering how you think we should be navigating that with the younger generation.

Speaker 16 That's such a good question.

Speaker 17 You're not alone.

Speaker 16 You know, it's so upsetting to me that this thing is dividing the conservative movement right now. You know, that our team is splitting in two over this issue because we need our team to be unified.

Speaker 16 You know, we have some truly demonic people on the other side that truly want us dead. So our side needs to stand together.

Speaker 16 My own take on it is, whatever your views on Israel, you should not let it divide us as Americans.

Speaker 16 Like, we have to prioritize our country and we have to have each other's back when it comes to fighting the lunatic left that wants us dead. So, that's number one.

Speaker 16 But I think there's room for good faith disagreements on this issue.

Speaker 16 You know, the younger generation, I assume she's more opposed to Israel or having questions about Israel because there are literally no young people left who are backing Israel.

Speaker 16 I mean, it's truly, it's like you look at the polls, there are none.

Speaker 16 And the older generation tends to understand Israel's importance as a strategic ally in the Middle East.

Speaker 16 So I think just room for grace, because as this conflict has gone on for two years, there are a lot of people who have started to have questions about Israel's behavior.

Speaker 16 And I think, even for those of us who are questioning it now, it'll dissipate once Israel's off the front pages and we're focused more on our own issues here in America.

Speaker 16 And I think maybe not talking about it every day, all day, will help you too and will help all of us too. That's my thought.

Speaker 17 Hi there. Hey, Megan, how are you?

Speaker 26 Great. I'm Vernon Jones.
Obviously, I'm here from the

Speaker 26 to know, I believe that you're as solid as Stone Mountain. We love you.

Speaker 16 I know Stone Mountain. I've been there.
I love it.

Speaker 26 Well, I just want you to know that your message of faith-based hard work, getting a good education,

Speaker 26 that resonates in many communities, not just a white community, a black community, brown community, every community. But the liberal media want to silence you.

Speaker 26 And I just ask of you, don't back down, don't back off, and don't back away.

Speaker 17 Fight, fight, fight. Fight, fight, fight.

Speaker 16 Right on, Vernon.

Speaker 5 And so I appreciate it.

Speaker 26 And I'm here tonight because I'm one of those, not only lost a friend, I lost a relative, I lost colleagues, but it doesn't matter.

Speaker 26 One courageous man in the crowd is a majority, or one courageous person in the crowd is a majority.

Speaker 26 So I just want to ask you, will you continue to carry that message and bring more like me and others who feel the way you feel on your show so we can resonate throughout not only our communities but throughout the state of Georgia and this country?

Speaker 16 100%. I absolutely will.
And isn't it great to be together?

Speaker 16 Isn't it great to know that even though these people have ostracized you, look at all your fellow community members who love you and feel as you do. You're not alone.

Speaker 16 It's only the liberal media and the haters who want you to think that so they can guilt you into over joining the other side. Don't do it.

Speaker 16 There are millions. We're in the majority right now.
We are in the majority in this country. Hello, go ahead.

Speaker 32 Hi. Hi, Megan.

Speaker 21 I'm Erica from the Palmetto State, South Carolina.

Speaker 17 Very nice.

Speaker 32 Your interviews are phenomenal. I love watching them.
And I'm just wondering, is there anybody your team hasn't been able to get in that seat to interview?

Speaker 32 Is there someone on your bucket list that either you're excited about or someone you just want to sink your nails into? Yes. Like, who do you want to get a hold of, Megan?

Speaker 16 Yes, there is 100% a person. And she just produced a TV special that goes by with love, Megan.

Speaker 16 Yes.

Speaker 16 I think we could put it on pay-per-view

Speaker 16 and I could probably pay off the national debt.

Speaker 17 Am I wrong?

Speaker 16 All right, we'll take one more and then we got to wrap it up. Hi, I have one question and then a follow-up question.
You got one.

Speaker 16 My question is, from zero to 100%, if you were to die tonight, do you know that you would go to heaven?

Speaker 17 Oh, wow.

Speaker 16 I like to think I would. I've been thinking about it a lot over the past couple of years, not just since Charlie died, but before that, because I had on Father Mike Schmitz on the show.

Speaker 16 And he talked to me about how getting to heaven may not be as easy as we'd like to think. You know, I used to think if you're just a good person,

Speaker 16 you'll go.

Speaker 16 I think the truth is, if you're a person of faith, if you believe in Jesus, you're going.

Speaker 16 But he did talk about how you actually do need to live the faith. You actually do need to focus on doing good deeds and trying to minimize the sin in your life.

Speaker 16 And when you sin, because we are all sinners, making sure you get in there and make it clean with God.

Speaker 16 However, you need to do it. In my church and the Catholic church, you got to go in.
You got to face up to the priest and you got to say all the bad shit you did.

Speaker 17 It's very awkward.

Speaker 16 But thank God for the evangelicals and Protestants, they don't have to do that, which is reason enough to join those denominations.

Speaker 16 But get right with God and do the good deeds. And above all, truly, and I think many people have been having this feeling since Charlie, welcome Jesus into your life.

Speaker 16 And if you're not feeling it, read up. Go to church.
Be open to it and ask God for a message that speaks to you as he will deliver. Thank you.
Thank you all so much.

Speaker 16 All right, we're gonna get the show started because that's what you're here for.

Speaker 16 I mentioned the sizzle reels by Jake Whitman, and it's so funny because going through like some of the highlights of the shows with the people who come on often have had us in stitches all along.

Speaker 16 And we were laughing coming up with one for Charlie and Rich because they're not stand-up comedians, right? These guys are like policy wonks who can talk about anything.

Speaker 16 And I said to Jake, just get Charlie talking about anything regarding Kamala Harris.

Speaker 16 That's not exactly how it landed, but I think you're going to enjoy this.

Speaker 11 Rich Lowry and Charles C.W.

Speaker 16 Cook of National Review.

Speaker 17 Check it out.

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Speaker 17 please give a warm welcome to one of the rising stars of the conservative movement rich lowry from washington the mclaughlin group what do you think of that rich lowry with all the respect eleaner you're talking out of both sides of your mouth operation no serious health care economist would say medicare is efficient rich lowry is a busy man you've seen others try to frontally confront Trump and not having it work.

Speaker 28 Is it just me or is that term, I don't like that term, frontally confront.

Speaker 16 I don't just take me places I don't want to picture.

Speaker 38 We'll never make an inappropriate reference like that.

Speaker 37 I know, right, I know.

Speaker 17 Never, never.

Speaker 17 Tim Waltz, to portray himself as this great champion of freedom, it reminded me Bill Buckley had this old line that liberals don't care what you do so long as it's mandatory.

Speaker 17 And that's that's how Tim Waldens.

Speaker 16 There is breaking news.

Speaker 37 I want to weep for my country.

Speaker 16 What a sensitive moment to know that what that moment called for was strength.

Speaker 8 One of the things that I like about National Review is that we weren't just there to go after the left, but we were also there to police our own side.

Speaker 8 And I've tried to keep that up.

Speaker 21 It's hard for Barack and I to just be in the world unobserved.

Speaker 38 She just seems wildly ungrateful that she has lived this extraordinary American life.

Speaker 34 The Democratic Party is crazy. And they have adopted crazy positions that people, when they learn about them, just recoil from.

Speaker 16 Stand by.

Speaker 16 Fox News just called Pennsylvania for Trump.

Speaker 8 Whoa.

Speaker 16 Holy cow, you guys.

Speaker 17 He's an ex-president of the United States.

Speaker 34 Wow.

Speaker 17 Look what happened. Is this crazy?

Speaker 17 Rich Holly and Charles T.W. Cook, everybody.

Speaker 17 Very bad.

Speaker 17 Thanks for coming, guys.

Speaker 16 Don't you love the fire?

Speaker 16 Love the fire. You don't get to walk out to fire every day.

Speaker 16 So it's amazing because that clip ended with us on set on my show the night Trump was elected, which was almost exactly a year ago. And now we have some very different news on elections.

Speaker 17 What happened?

Speaker 17 Yeah, so first of all, point of personal privilege. Some people who looked quickly through the agenda tonight might have gotten the idea that Rich was singing songs.

Speaker 17 That's not me, just to be clear.

Speaker 17 That's the other Rich. Well, I think, Megan, on that night when you were drinking champagne out of joy and Charlie is drinking champagne on principle,

Speaker 17 if you had asked us, okay, does this mean

Speaker 17 Republicans are going to lose Virginia and New Jersey? Of course. Of course.
If you win the White House, you always lose those off-year elections. So that wasn't surprising.

Speaker 17 The margins are a little concerning, though. And what happened, I think initially, we all talked about the vibe shift.
There has been a vibe shift. And part of it, there wasn't instant protest.

Speaker 17 The Democrats were on their back foot. They didn't seem energized.
The party's image is still in the toilet. But they've shown once again they fear and loathe the president so much.

Speaker 17 Their people are showing up no matter what. And this wasn't a matter of other Republicans not turning out the Trump vote.

Speaker 17 Jason Maioris, who unbelievingly and stunningly lost to Jay Jones, the guy who muses about murdering Republicans, he matched Yunkin's vote total when Youngin won the governorship race.

Speaker 17 It wasn't enough. Citarelli did better in New Jersey than he did four years earlier when he got surprisingly close to Phil Murphy and got wiped out by double digits.

Speaker 17 So a Democratic wave is coming, I fear, one way or the other next year.

Speaker 16 What is it in response to, Charlie? Do we know? Like, is it the economy? What would you you guess it is?

Speaker 34 Yeah, I think it's the economy. I think that those elections tend to go the other way,

Speaker 17 always.

Speaker 34 I think that the shutdown, especially in Virginia, hurt the candidates there.

Speaker 34 I think that Republicans haven't done a particularly good job in explaining the shutdown. I mean, the Republican position on this is actually very funny.

Speaker 16 You don't think the sombrero meme got it done?

Speaker 34 Well, actually, I love the sombrero meme as you know.

Speaker 34 I did think that was very funny, but the Republicans have a much better argument, which is we have agreed to the status quo. They're not asking for anything.
There's no extortion there.

Speaker 34 They said we'll continue as we are, and then we can debate once the government's open. But they haven't stuck to that line particularly well, and I wonder if that's hurt.

Speaker 16 So now we have Trump talking about the nuclear option, getting rid of the filibuster. Have you guys been hearing about this? Trump wants to

Speaker 16 do it, he says. Trump wants them to get rid of it once and for all so that

Speaker 16 minority rights in the Senate would be severely compromised. Not gone.

Speaker 16 I mean, you still have to get a 51% majority to get legislation through, but we no longer would have to have 60 votes to get a vote on the legislation.

Speaker 16 This has been bandied about for quite some time now.

Speaker 16 I know you're against it. There's no way you're in favor of this.
You're a strict constitutionalist. But this wasn't in the Constitution.

Speaker 16 This came about in the 1800s, and it didn't really become standard practice until the early 1900s, the 60-vote thing.

Speaker 16 And the argument by Trump and others is, if if we don't do it now, the Democrats are 100% going to do it just as soon as they get back in power and pass all their stuff with just a 51 majority.

Speaker 17 So why not?

Speaker 17 Yeah, I think this would be a mistake. One, the shutdown is going to end.
I think probably within the next week or two. Democrats already climbed down.

Speaker 17 The initial demand was extend these Obamacare subsidies forever. Now it's extend them for one year.

Speaker 17 I think there'll be a deal around, we'll guarantee you there'll be a vote on the Obamacare subsidies, a vote that may or may not happen. But otherwise,

Speaker 17 what big things does Trump want legislatively? What he really wanted was the one big, beautiful bill, and he got it. Most of the other stuff that he wants to do, he can do unilaterally, right?

Speaker 17 Whether it's tariffs or blowing up drug boats off the coast of Venezuela. And there you go.

Speaker 17 We're in the South now.

Speaker 17 So even if Republicans will eliminate it, and still lose the House next year, which means it doesn't matter what the vote threshold is in the Senate.

Speaker 17 And then, God God forbid, if you get a unified control by Democrats in 2028, you've taken out the one check to them adding D.C. as a state, packing the Supreme Court.

Speaker 17 And yes, the left will be desperate to eliminate the filibuster, but it doesn't mean they'll be able to do it.

Speaker 17 There are, you know, there are probably about 10 Democrats who think this is a bad idea and don't want to do it in the Senate. So I just think that the upside is very small as a practical matter.

Speaker 17 The downside could be huge. And then there's a deeper argument about how our government should work that maybe Charlie can take on.

Speaker 16 It's supposed to be the, what is it, like on the teacup, it's supposed to be like the saucer or whatever.

Speaker 16 I don't remember the analogy, but the Senate is supposed to be the more somber body where things are supposed to be really hard to get through because they have six years in office and they don't really have to respond to the constituents right away.

Speaker 16 And if we're kind of taking that away, if we change it.

Speaker 34 Yeah, and also the practical point is that anything that the Republicans did now with an abolished filibuster, the Democrats can reverse. So there's a lot of things I would like to to see.

Speaker 34 For example, you do election integrity,

Speaker 34 and then in three years' time, it gets reversed the other way, and they say, actually, you're not allowed voter ID, and then you've set that precedent.

Speaker 34 But to me, the biggest reason not to do it is the Constitution is supposed to allow a lot of room for the states. Now, we're in Georgia.
I think Georgia is a very well-run state.

Speaker 34 I think Georgia is a much better-run state than, say, California.

Speaker 17 Well,

Speaker 34 exactly right, except that the guy who runs California right now, everyone's favorite, Gavin Newsom, wants to be president.

Speaker 34 So let's assume Gavin Newsom becomes president and then everyone's other favorite, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, becomes a senator.

Speaker 34 What they want to do more than anything is essentially litigate Georgia out of existence with federal law.

Speaker 34 And one of the things that stops that, having lost a lot of the constitutional protections in the New Deal, is the filibuster.

Speaker 34 The filibuster has proven very good at preventing the federal government from taking too much power. I know it's done it anyway, but too much power that you would really, really notice.

Speaker 34 And I don't want to lose that.

Speaker 16 Here's what I worry about. Let's say they did it.
They don't have the votes right now. The Republicans don't have the votes.
But let's say they did it

Speaker 16 soon, and Trump started pushing through legislation. Boom, boom, boom.
There is no chance there wouldn't be a bloodbath in the midterms. I mean, Americans tend to like divided government.

Speaker 16 They don't want any one branch or one party to have too much power. And I think the Republicans would definitely lose the House and the Senate if they pushed it through.

Speaker 16 And so it'd be a very short joyride for not that much return. And I mean,

Speaker 16 the loss of the Senate seats could go dangerously high. People are going to want to send a message that they do like minority rights.
So I just think you're playing with fire.

Speaker 16 So I'm not in favor of it personally. Not yet.
I haven't seen a case.

Speaker 16 Okay, let's keep going because there's more to talk about. One question I forgot to ask you on the elections.
One of the problems that the Republicans seem to have is they can't win without Trump.

Speaker 16 And, you know, Trump remade the party in his image, and people will get off of their couch to go vote for Trump.

Speaker 16 He got the low propensity voters to get up and do something they didn't usually do, which is vote for him.

Speaker 16 And when Big Daddy's not on the ticket, people are like, those people are boring, and I don't have any connection to them. So how do they solve for that in the next year?

Speaker 17 They don't.

Speaker 17 This is a huge problem. And Trump posted on Truth Social immediately, I wasn't on the ballot, and that's why we lost.
And that's a huge problem.

Speaker 16 And he loves that.

Speaker 17 element. Unfortunately, he enjoys that.

Speaker 17 But the problem is, unless he's going to be run for

Speaker 17 Senate from Florida or whatever it is, he's not going to be on a ballot ever again. So this is a huge issue.
And it came up in the 2024 campaign.

Speaker 17 There's something he said that I didn't think was that great. I was talking to some shrewd political observer.
I was like, I don't know how this is going to affect fence sitters.

Speaker 17 And this guy said, Rich, there are no fence sitters. What there are are couch sitters, right?

Speaker 17 This is a young guy who is playing video games all day day long on his couch, probably has a bong on the coffee table, and maybe an OnlyFans account. And that's the guy that Trump has to turn out.

Speaker 17 It's like, oh, hell. But you know what?

Speaker 34 You know who helped turn him out?

Speaker 17 It's Charlie Kirk, right? And Charlie had a deeper mission, by the way, to save that guy, right?

Speaker 17 And to show him that there's a higher purpose to life than just doing that, getting married, having faith in God. But who else can reach and motivate that kind of young man? I'm not sure who it is.

Speaker 17 So this is a huge issue for the party going forward.

Speaker 16 We need better candidates. All right, I want to keep going.
Supreme Court. Got a question last night, and it was a good one, about

Speaker 16 whether the Republicans need to worry about being in an RBG situation with our own aging conservatives on the court, in particular, Alito and Thomas.

Speaker 16 And you know, you say to like true conservatives, what do you think about kind of nudging Alito and Thomas out? And you get a sick feeling in the pit of your stomach, like, no.

Speaker 16 But

Speaker 16 much rather have Trump replace them than a Kamala Harris or President Ocasio-Cortez or Newsom. My God, my stomach just turned again.

Speaker 16 So,

Speaker 16 what are your thoughts on the Supreme Court and the seats?

Speaker 34 Yeah, I worry about this. I mean, I think Clarence Thomas is one of the greatest Americans in the history of the United States.

Speaker 16 Yes.

Speaker 16 And

Speaker 34 I also understand if Clarence Thomas doesn't want to voluntarily give up his role given what they did to him when he was getting it. Yeah.

Speaker 34 I also think to replace Clarence Thomas with a Katanji Brown Jackson or a Sonia Sortomayor would be a disaster.

Speaker 34 And this is one of the things, if you look at the first Trump election that swayed a lot of people, Justice Scillia died, and they looked at who Barack Obama had put on the court before and they said, absolutely not.

Speaker 34 So I don't want to see that, but at the same time, I mean, the idea of telling the guy you need to retire now is obviously grotesque. Maybe he will sense this himself.

Speaker 34 I do think there's a greater chance Republicans will lose the Senate now than I did before the elections this week, so I hope it doesn't happen.

Speaker 16 It's terrifying. So what do you think? I mean, do you think if people around Thomas and maybe even Alito should be saying

Speaker 17 better now than later? Clarence, it was such a scarring experience for him, that confirmation battle.

Speaker 17 But by the way, these kind of confirmation battles are sort of a good thing because insurers, once someone's through that, they are not bending a knee.

Speaker 17 Right. And insurers never will.
But the more he hears from outsiders that he should retire, I think the less inclined he would be to do it.

Speaker 17 But we can't have the RBG thing, which is so perverse for their side, because she was clearly failing, right? They were in danger of losing the presidency.

Speaker 17 And the whole left was like, you go, girl, stay there until you're age 105. And then she, you know, unfortunately passes away.
Now what? Right? So we didn't want to do that to ourselves.

Speaker 16 No, I was covering the high court many times and she was there and Alito had just been elevated to the bench. And as the new guy, he was seated next to RBG for a while.

Speaker 16 And she was falling asleep in the middle of the arm. It was very Joe Biden-esque in the middle of the arguments.
And you could see Alito, like,

Speaker 17 what do I do?

Speaker 16 Do I nudge her? Like, I'm the new guy. I'm not sure I'm allowed to nudge her.
And she stayed too long, you know, like so many of them.

Speaker 16 Like Nancy Pelosi, who finally appears to be ready to hang up her congressional hat at age 85.

Speaker 16 But as you guys pointed out in National Review, the person we appear to be getting instead of Pelosi is a complete and total lunatic.

Speaker 16 His name is Scott Wiener, and just as bad as he sounds, he's worse than that.

Speaker 34 Yeah, I mean lunatic is one word. Creep is another.
And look, I have lots of friends who disagree with me on politics.

Speaker 34 I think it's important to know people who disagree with us on politics, but this guy's politics are really weird.

Speaker 34 He has pushed through in California a whole bunch of bills to do with changing the crimes that people are charged with if they commit sex crimes with minors.

Speaker 34 This is his obsession.

Speaker 17 This is his obsession.

Speaker 34 He is, if you were to sort of put up on a pedestal the worst side of the Democratic Party, the weirdest side of the Democratic Party, it's this guy.

Speaker 34 So actually, we might look back fondly on Nancy Pelosi and our hedge fund trading. That's a great moment in America.

Speaker 16 Look how radical you have to be in order to make Nancy look good. Let me show you.
I pulled a little soundbite of him because most people don't know him.

Speaker 16 I don't know if you guys remember, early in the show, we used to to have Britt Mayer and Carrie Prajan come on together, like the most beautiful and attractive panel known to man.

Speaker 16 They're both former beauty queens and also very smart, and they're Californians. And this guy was right in their crosshairs as Mama Warriors because he's very, very pro-transing your child.

Speaker 16 And they would follow him around with their iPhones, like, Representative Wiener, what are you doing? Why are you doing this? And he's just an aggressive, bad guy, in my opinion.

Speaker 16 But here's just a little taste of what he sounds like at SOT1.

Speaker 33 What 107 says is that if you have a family, parents and children that are in a state like Texas and they feel unsafe because they feel like they're going to be criminalized and attacked and they need to leave that state, they can come to California and we will protect them, that we will do everything in our power not to send them back.

Speaker 33 to Texas or Alabama or any of these other states for criminal prosecution, that we're not going to honor subpoenas from those states for medical records, and that these parents can be and these kids, these families can be safe here.

Speaker 33 But the opponents who are trying to attack trans kids, trying to drive them to suicide, pretend they don't exist, and then criminalize the parents who are supporting their trans kids, these opponents are lying about the bill and claiming that it somehow undermines parental rights.

Speaker 33 It's the exact opposite, supports parents.

Speaker 16 Every single piece of legislation, every other one, is about trans kids. And by the way, you heard the lies in there, right?

Speaker 16 Like the trans kids who are just going to commit suicide unless they come to California where he's creating a haven, a safe haven for them.

Speaker 16 Like he follows all the tropes that have been pushed, even at the Supreme Court, falsely. And I do think this guy is a dangerous dude.

Speaker 17 Yeah, this idea of sanctuary, you're encouraging runaways from the rest of the country, these troubled kids.

Speaker 17 So I think this is a key prism through which you can understand the last 20 years of cultural politics in America.

Speaker 17 They thought they could just add letters to the amalgamation of letters and always inevitably win. So LGB,

Speaker 17 they won on that, right? They're not going to bother you, they're going to get married, it's not going to be a problem. It's kind of a libertarian argument.

Speaker 17 They added Q, and no one had a problem with Q because no one knows what Q is, right? Literally, no. The whole point of being Q, I think, is that you don't know what you are.
So, that was fine.

Speaker 17 But then it was the T. And they thought T is inevitable, the next great moral struggle and civil rights struggle over time.

Speaker 17 But the insanity and imposition that have come with the letter T have caused a backlash, not just among everyone in this room, but 70, 80% of the American public.

Speaker 17 And we're winning this issue, not just in transports and the medical procedures, but fewer young people are embracing non-traditional sexual identities.

Speaker 17 And that's the core issue.

Speaker 16 All of you found your voice and started talking about it.

Speaker 17 Yeah, this is an infernal trend. And, you know, women, especially young girls, are very suggestible.

Speaker 17 Jonathan Haight, the greatest social scientist, points out, if you have a group of friends who are girls and one of them gets anxious and depressed, all of them tend to get anxious and depressed.

Speaker 17 Now, guys, if one of their guy friends gets anxious and depressed, they don't care. But the girls are very suggestible.
So what we've done, we've encouraged

Speaker 17 this identity, and then you encourage it on one marginal person, and then it spreads among everyone else. That is finally being reversed.

Speaker 17 But we won't win a final victory until we crush guys like that. Absolutely right.

Speaker 16 All right, let's end it on a nice note. Charles, how many years have you been an American citizen now?

Speaker 34 I became an American citizen in 2018, so that's seven.

Speaker 17 Thank you.

Speaker 16 And I love the story of how you realized that you loved America, wanted to live in America, and needed to move here, ASAP. Can you talk about that?

Speaker 34 Well, which one is it? I have so many stories. I was three when I first realized.

Speaker 16 Well, you were over at Oxford and you were reading about the founders. Oh, yes.

Speaker 34 Well, that was, yeah. So I studied American history in college because I found it more interesting interesting than my own history.

Speaker 17 But it is, it is.

Speaker 34 If you look at those ideas and you look at those people and you look at the story of your revolution, it's extraordinarily inspiring. I mean, these are great ideas.

Speaker 34 These are ideas you don't find anywhere else. And once you've looked at them and once you've embraced them, everywhere else seems quite boring, to be honest with you.

Speaker 16 And so you decided you too wanted to be a revolutionary?

Speaker 34 Yeah, I wanted to be a revolutionary. I mean, I didn't tell the immigration services that, because I think it would have sounded pretty bad on my application.

Speaker 34 But I wanted to embrace the existing revolutionaries, put it that way.

Speaker 16 And how did you wind up in the South?

Speaker 34 Yeah, well, my wife and I, we lived in New York and then in Connecticut.

Speaker 34 And when we were having our second child, we started looking around for houses that could fit the growing family, and that just wasn't an option.

Speaker 34 And then we looked down in, am I allowed to say Florida in Georgia?

Speaker 17 We're great rivals, aren't we?

Speaker 16 Georgia was full.

Speaker 17 That's the only reason he didn't come here.

Speaker 34 We looked down in Florida and we moved down. We've never looked back.
Best decision we ever made.

Speaker 17 Awesome.

Speaker 16 Guys, I love you so much. Thanks so much for all you do for the show.
Love your smart sound analysis and your great senses of humor.

Speaker 17 Thank you, Megan.

Speaker 16 Yeah, we appreciate it. Rich Lowry and Charles C.W.
Cook, everybody.

Speaker 16 I think so, great.

Speaker 16 Honestly, when news breaks, there's literally nobody I'd rather hear from than those two.

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Speaker 16 Our next guest is so popular here in Georgia that she got several questions when she wasn't even standing on the stage.

Speaker 16 I don't think Marjorie Taylor Green needs much of an introduction here, but I think, remember how John McCain used to call himself Maverick?

Speaker 16 I think she's a true Maverick.

Speaker 16 Hugely popular, self-made, comes from a family that worked construction. All she wanted to do is actually help American citizens in her hometown.

Speaker 16 She's exactly the idea that the founders had when they thought about citizen congressmen and women to go to Congress and actually do something. She doesn't spend her time in Washington, D.C.

Speaker 16 She's not at all the Georgia, Georgetown cocktail parties. She's down here at the Georgia cocktail parties where she belongs.
And she does not care whom she offends, what party line she bucks.

Speaker 16 She cares about you guys. Watch this.

Speaker 21 If you had all the death threats I have,

Speaker 21 you can understand why I feel that way sometimes.

Speaker 16 Oh, you do.

Speaker 35 I get them from both sides.

Speaker 21 Oh, yeah, and me too, lately.

Speaker 17 Oh, yeah, rightly, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 17 People say you are Trump and high heels.

Speaker 21 Why don't you fuck off? How about that? I think our government deserves it. Here you are without your mask, and everyone else was forced to stay home.
You belong in prison. This whole city sucks.

Speaker 21 And I say enough. I mean, I want to say the F-word.

Speaker 16 You can on this podcast. I did.

Speaker 21 I was like, fuck it, I'm running for Congress. The first reaction is: Marjorie's crazy.
Marjorie's extreme. And then they find find out, oh, maybe she's not crazy.

Speaker 28 Let me tell you what AOC has never done.

Speaker 21 She's never created one job.

Speaker 17 Are your feelings hurt? Her words down. Oh, oh, oh, girl, baby, girl.

Speaker 28 Oh, really?

Speaker 16 I'm dying to ask you about Jasmine Crockett.

Speaker 21 Oh, boy. I think your fake eyelashes are messing up.

Speaker 36 Total explosion.

Speaker 16 Beach blonde, bad-built, butch body.

Speaker 12 She's nasty, too.

Speaker 21 She's as fake as her eyelashes. She's as fake as her hair.

Speaker 36 There's a reporting that President Trump called to ask, what's going on with Marjorie.

Speaker 21 He knows how to call me and he can ask me himself. I got elected on my own.
I didn't get elected with a Trump endorsement. I'm not afraid to name names.

Speaker 21 I will walk in that Capitol on the House floor and I'll say every damn name that abused these women.

Speaker 39 He's going to get mad at you for saying that thing about the Epstein quilt.

Speaker 21 I'm a mom. I'm going to be 1,000% fighting for them over any politician in any party.

Speaker 17 So cool.

Speaker 16 Absolutely. There's no cooler Congresswoman than you.
Thank you.

Speaker 21 My mom's out there somewhere, and she's probably like, golly, that was a lot of cuss words. Sorry, mom.

Speaker 16 Same. My mom feels the same.
It's not her favorite part of the show.

Speaker 8 All right, so the view.

Speaker 16 Why on earth would you go into that snake pit?

Speaker 21 They invited me.

Speaker 17 Seriously.

Speaker 21 So this is interesting.

Speaker 21 There's a group of hardcore America First people like me that are blacklisted on Fox News.

Speaker 21 They fired Tucker Carlson and pretty much ever since that Tucker used to have me on when he was on Fox News and ever since then I'm pretty much blacklisted. They'll talk about me on Fox News.

Speaker 21 They'll show videos of me and things that I said but they never have me on. So I've done mostly conservative podcasts and so forth.

Speaker 21 did your show which is amazing i do tucker's show steve bannon different shows like that but they actually invited and i thought to myself you know what i definitely would like to talk to them and talk to their audience.

Speaker 21 And so I decided that

Speaker 21 our country is so toxic, politically toxic, and it really bothers me because ever since Charlie was assassinated, I'm concerned of where that's going, especially for our kids' generation and on.

Speaker 21 And I'm a Christian, and I pray the Lord's Prayer every day.

Speaker 21 And here lately, I've been thinking a lot about Charlie Kirk and what Erica said. She forgave the man that killed her husband, which is

Speaker 16 unbelievable.

Speaker 21 But I started, I've been thinking a lot about how we say, forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.

Speaker 21 And we can say those words, but if we're not willing to live them in action, then we're not doing what we're supposed to do. So I've kind of changed my outlook.

Speaker 21 Thank you.

Speaker 21 And so I went on and I decided I would like to have a nice conversation with these women, share my views with them and their audience,

Speaker 21 and try to put those words into action.

Speaker 16 Okay, here's my question for you though, because

Speaker 16 it's no accident they invited you on now because you've been saying some things critical of Speaker Johnson, you've had some had some criticism of Trump, critical on the Epstein files as you saw there.

Speaker 16 And it did remind me a little bit of what Roger Ails once told me. He said, when the left-wing blogs start praising you, that's when you have to worry.

Speaker 16 So

Speaker 16 do your constituents need to worry that you're moderating over to the left side?

Speaker 21 No,

Speaker 21 that's impossible, everybody.

Speaker 21 No,

Speaker 21 here's where I'm at.

Speaker 21 I'm so America first, I'm America only.

Speaker 21 Yep.

Speaker 21 And Megan,

Speaker 21 to be honest with you, I campaigned all over the country for five years for President Trump.

Speaker 28 Did that.

Speaker 21 He didn't ask me to. I did it on my own.
Love the man. Spent millions of dollars.
I don't even know how many rallies I've been to. I totally lost count.
Went to so many states.

Speaker 21 I can't even remember how many I went to.

Speaker 21 I want

Speaker 21 our agenda passed into law. That's what I want.
And I am very upset as a member of Congress that we are not passing our bills that are the agenda that the people voted for.

Speaker 16 How?

Speaker 17 How can you?

Speaker 21 Not our executive orders, his executive orders. We all have bills that reflect them.

Speaker 16 I mean, you could get them through the House potentially, but you're not going to get them through the Senate unless they get rid of that filibuster.

Speaker 21 Well, it doesn't matter though. Here's the thing.
I serve in the House. We should get our job done.
It's not about we should get our job done and then let the Senate do their job.

Speaker 21 And as a member of Congress, I believe in transparency for all the people here, they need to see our voting records. And they need to see these.

Speaker 21 You were just showing Scott Wiener. I have a bill called Protect Children's Innocence Act that makes it a felony to perform gender affirming care on any minor.
Makes it a felony.

Speaker 17 Great.

Speaker 21 That bill needs a vote. That bill needs a vote.

Speaker 16 And honestly, Californians, you need to defeat the wiener.

Speaker 16 You have to do it. You may love it.
It's got to go.

Speaker 16 I agree. He's super dangerous.
I want to show you.

Speaker 21 That's the only one we'll cut off.

Speaker 16 I wanted to show you one thing.

Speaker 16 I know you know how ridiculous and awful the left can be. You definitely know this.
But Sonny Hostin. You know, she has you on over there.

Speaker 16 She is Sonny Hostel. She really is.

Speaker 16 No soon as you leave, and you did them a favor. You spiked their ratings, you let them sort of telegraph to the United States that, okay, we'd entertain a conservative here.

Speaker 16 And no sooner had you left than she went out there and started ripping on her. Here's a little bit of what that sounded like.

Speaker 18 I don't think she's changed. I did ask her, are we seeing an evolution? And she specifically, I think, responded, no, I'm the same person.
So, you know, she's a big age. She's in her 50s.

Speaker 18 And so I think at a big age, in my experience, people don't change, but they may behave differently um to because they want something and i think she she aspires to higher office perhaps it's the senate perhaps it's even the presidency i don't know um but i don't know that we saw a different marjorie taylor greene i thought that we you know saw just someone behaving differently well i will

Speaker 21 behaving differently so she questions your sincerity you're after something so you're acting right i've been dealing with this for weeks so here's here's the only thing that i know to be true the only person I can control is myself.

Speaker 21 I can't affect anyone else's words or opinions of me, but I very much know who I am as a person. She's right, I am at a big age.
I am. And when you get to be in your 50s, you know who you are.

Speaker 16 I call them your fucking 50s. Yes.

Speaker 17 This is who I am.

Speaker 21 That's right, exactly. And here's the deal.
I ran for Congress in 2020 extremely angry at Democrats and Republicans.

Speaker 21 And I was mad at Republicans because they never follow through and put into action the things they promise. And I'm sick of it.
I really am.

Speaker 21 And so

Speaker 21 for me,

Speaker 21 this is our one-time opportunity, Megan. We got this one shot.
And I feel like our majority is being ruined. I really do.

Speaker 16 By what exactly?

Speaker 21 In action.

Speaker 21 I voted to fund the government on September 18th.

Speaker 21 And then guess what? We haven't been to work since.

Speaker 17 But whose fault is that?

Speaker 21 Mike Johnson's.

Speaker 17 Why?

Speaker 21 He's told us not to come back. He's keeping the House out of session.
All the American people are working every single day.

Speaker 16 Chuck Schumer. You don't think it's related to the shutdown?

Speaker 21 Chuck Schumer's in the Senate, everybody. Mike Johnson is in the House.
He's the Speaker of the House. And he can bring us into session where we can be passing our bills.

Speaker 21 We can have our committees at work. we can be working on getting rid of Obamacare and saving the health insurance crisis that we have.

Speaker 17 Let me ask you about that.

Speaker 16 Let me ask you about that because some people have said, okay, it sounds great, get rid of Obamacare. Most people hate it.
But have you proposed anything specifically to replace it?

Speaker 21 So here, let's talk about Obamacare. It was passed in 2010 and then it went into effect in 2014.

Speaker 21 2014, my family's health insurance policy went from $800 a month to over $2,400 a month, destroyed our health insurance, destroyed the industry.

Speaker 21 Many companies went out of the market. There hasn't been competition in the market since.
And then we saw in 2021 the Democrats passed the ACA tax credits.

Speaker 16 What did that do?

Speaker 21 That has skyrocketed costs and they expire this year. The Democrats did that.
Everyone needs to understand.

Speaker 16 They basically artificially lowered the cost of Obamacare.

Speaker 17 Okay, hold on over there.

Speaker 16 We can't hear you. I'm doing this interview.

Speaker 16 They lowered the cost of Obamacare with these subsidies to try to make you think it's less expensive than it is, and those are about to expire.

Speaker 21 They pay the insurance companies directly. So the tax credits, they don't go to the people, they go directly to the insurance companies.

Speaker 16 Did you see Trump today was suggesting we should change that and that he should give the money right directly to the people and not to the insurance companies?

Speaker 21 I think we have to do more. I think we have to do that.
What specifically? Well, we need to build the off-ramp off of Obamacare and off of the tax credits.

Speaker 16 Do we need a new health care plan plan entirely? Do we need Trump care?

Speaker 21 We need to empower HSAs. We need to empower associations where groups can join together and get lower costs.

Speaker 21 Companies like Costco, Amazon, they could mass sell health insurance plans and that would lower the cost.

Speaker 21 PBMs, we've got to cut out the middleman and we really need price transparency.

Speaker 21 People, you need to know how much it costs when you go to the hospital for a surgery, when you, any procedure you have, you shouldn't go in and have that and then have bills just keep coming for months and months and all the things you don't know.

Speaker 21 We need competition.

Speaker 16 So what about Epstein?

Speaker 16 What's going on?

Speaker 16 Because the left, if you tune in to CNN or MSNBC any day right now, they think the whole government shutdown on the Republican side is because they don't want to do any work because they don't want to have any votes on Epstein.

Speaker 16 What do you think?

Speaker 21 I tell you what,

Speaker 21 I've started to question, is this why we're not in session? Really?

Speaker 17 Yeah.

Speaker 21 This is that the discharge petition is sitting there.

Speaker 16 Explain that.

Speaker 21 So

Speaker 21 everyone for how many years now,

Speaker 21 all of us have been calling to release Epstein files. And

Speaker 21 Thomas Massey entered a resolution to release, yeah.

Speaker 21 And I'm a co-sponsor.

Speaker 21 I want to release the Epstein files. And

Speaker 21 it's been blocked over and over, unfortunately. And so there's a discharge petition.
So just so you know, as a member of Congress, I cannot force my bills to the floor for a vote.

Speaker 21 Only the Speaker can decide to bring a bill to the floor for a vote.

Speaker 21 And so when the Speaker is refusing to bring a bill forward, if 218 members of Congress get together and all sign a discharge petition and we put our name on there, it overrides the Speaker and it's forced to the floor for a vote so right now there's 217 signatures

Speaker 21 and there is one mostly Dems yeah mostly Dems there's only there's only four Republicans Thomas Massey myself

Speaker 21 Nancy Mace and Lauren Boebert were the only Republicans on the discharge petition why are they so averse to it

Speaker 21 well there's a lot of information that's coming out of our oversight investigation. I also serve on the oversight committee, so I'm involved in that investigation.

Speaker 21 And there was a batch of emails released just recently that showed that Jeffrey Epstein worked closely with Israel on different

Speaker 21 military contracts,

Speaker 21 their intel agencies, Mossad, and so forth.

Speaker 16 I've been reliably told you're anti-Semitic if you say that.

Speaker 21 Yeah, that's like the thing, but MIGA cannot override MAGA

Speaker 21 And I can criticize any foreign country that I want to because I'm an American and I have free speech MIGA being make Israel great again, yes

Speaker 21 and It's not anti-Semitic to criticize a government.

Speaker 21 It's not and it's not anti-Semitic to talk about Jeffrey Epstein and his ties with any foreign country, whether it was Israel or the UK or the United States or it's that's not anti-Semitic.

Speaker 21 And it's not hating on anyone.

Speaker 21 I certainly don't hate anyone, but I definitely am concerned about any country's, a foreign country's influence on our own, especially when it comes to members of Congress.

Speaker 16 You got some agreement out there. What's the number one thing you'd like to see change in the House right now? You would like to get back to work.

Speaker 21 I want to get back to work. I want to pass the agenda that we campaigned on.
I desperately want to do that. That's the only thing I want to do.

Speaker 21 Everybody's talking about Marjorie Taylor Greene wants to do this. Marjorie Taylor Greene wants to do that.
The only thing I want to do is get to work and pass the agenda that everybody voted for.

Speaker 21 And that's America first.

Speaker 21 And the most,

Speaker 21 that is what we should be doing. No more foreign aid.
No more foreign wars. No more sending your monies overseas.
We need to fix our health insurance. We need to work on the cost of living.

Speaker 21 It is extremely expensive.

Speaker 21 And the most important thing we can do is continue to create a future for our children.

Speaker 16 Now, not everybody believes that these are earnest goals. Your good friend AOC, oh baby girl.
Oh yeah.

Speaker 16 She has a theory about why you're pushing in this way to improve people's lives with specific agenda items, whether they're good for everybody or just the right or just the left, what have you.

Speaker 16 Here it is in SOT 10.

Speaker 41 Here's some tea for you. Marjorie Taylor Greene wanted to run for Senate.
She was gearing up for that statewide race, and Trump told her no.

Speaker 41 The White House and Trump land shut down Marjorie Taylor Greene's personal ambitions to run for Senate. And she has been on a revenge tour ever since.

Speaker 16 Confirm or deny?

Speaker 21 Completely deny. So earlier this summer, I put out a very lengthy post on my own personal social media of the reasons why I do not want to run for Senate.
And you're seeing it in real action today.

Speaker 21 Look at the Senate. It's an absolute, utter chaos.
We can't even fund the government because of the Senate right now. And because of the filibuster, the 60-vote threshold, nothing can get passed.

Speaker 21 And it's uniparty control for forever. And that is seriously.

Speaker 16 Are you in favor of abolishing it?

Speaker 21 I told President Trump several months ago on a phone call that the senators, the Republicans, we have 53 seats in the Senate. 53.
They can do anything they want if they abolish the filibuster.

Speaker 21 And let me tell you why. In 2022, the Democrats,

Speaker 21 Chuck Schumer led them to abolish the filibuster.

Speaker 17 They tried to do it.

Speaker 16 Do you guys remember that? They tried to do it when they were passing.

Speaker 21 They passed their Voting Rights Act, which, by the way, we would have never won another election if they had passed that. The only reason they didn't get through it was Kristen Sinema and Joe Manchin.

Speaker 21 Guess what? Kristen Sinema and Joe Manchin aren't there anymore, Megan. So it doesn't matter if we're like holier than thou and we don't abolish the filibuster.

Speaker 21 They're still going to do it when they get the opportunity.

Speaker 21 So I told the president several months ago, I said, President Trump, we can pass your full agenda if the Republicans in the Senate grow a spine,

Speaker 21 blow through the filibuster, and we pass election reform. I have a bill that calls for a census immediately and it only counts American citizens.

Speaker 16 And it shouldn't be controversial.

Speaker 21 It should be done and it redraws district lines all over the country with only American citizen count.

Speaker 21 You talk about doing something for America that would save our elections. There's so many bills so many good Republicans have.

Speaker 21 And if we would blow through that filibuster, we can literally save this country. But I don't think they're going to do it.

Speaker 16 I don't think they have the votes right now.

Speaker 21 I know there's about 20 Republicans that won't do it.

Speaker 16 Yeah, and you're going to need all of them. Well, you're going to need at least 50, and then J.D.
Vance could break the tie. And speaking of J.D.

Speaker 17 Vance,

Speaker 16 he's America first.

Speaker 16 Would you say he's first in line for 48?

Speaker 21 Let me tell you,

Speaker 21 I was the first member of Congress to endorse J.D. Vance when he ran for Senate.
I was first before Donald Trump. I endorsed him.

Speaker 21 I love J.D. I definitely think he's got a great shot.
I hope so.

Speaker 16 And who do you think he'd be running against?

Speaker 21 Oh, and the Dems?

Speaker 16 Do you think your friend Sandy Cortez?

Speaker 21 Maybe. She might jump out there.

Speaker 16 Could she do it? Are we underestimating her? Some people say we are. Well, I, let me tell you, I don't have a lot of respect for AOC.

Speaker 21 I mean, she, think about it. Would anybody in this country, and I don't know, maybe I'm underestimating her, she's never accomplished anything.

Speaker 21 She was a bartender, and then they made her a member of Congress. It was a big, she had a massive machine behind her.

Speaker 21 She's never been married. She doesn't have children.
She's never run a company. Like, is that someone that belongs in the White House?

Speaker 17 She's just good at social media. Yeah.

Speaker 17 I don't know.

Speaker 16 If you had to back one, would it be AOC or Jasmine Crockett?

Speaker 17 Oh, my Lord.

Speaker 16 You have to choose.

Speaker 21 You know what? I'm a little concerned that we might could see like Mom Donnie, maybe.

Speaker 16 Oh, God. He wasn't born here.
It can't be him.

Speaker 21 Well, that's true. Yeah.

Speaker 21 I don't know. I don't know who it's going to be.

Speaker 21 There's going to be a whole slew of them. Same on our side.
There's going to be a ton of Democrats run. There'll be a ton of Republicans run.

Speaker 16 So why do we have these congressional Kardashians like AOC, like Jasmine Crockett? What is it about our system that keeps attracting these people who just want clicks?

Speaker 21 I don't know.

Speaker 21 You know what it is? Let's talk about it. Like, look, Maxine Waters is like 82 or something.
It's just a perpetual paycheck.

Speaker 16 Is it only 82? She's only 82? My God.

Speaker 17 Maybe she's more.

Speaker 21 I don't know.

Speaker 16 She seems like 102 at least.

Speaker 16 Y'all see that CNN

Speaker 16 appearance she did, that hit? Where like the wig is off. It's like crooked.

Speaker 16 She can see herself in the monitor. She's kind of moving it.
You're like, oh, God.

Speaker 17 No.

Speaker 17 Pat the weave.

Speaker 17 Anyway, keep going.

Speaker 16 Jasmine, your friend Jasmine.

Speaker 21 Jasmine. Jasmine's, she's something else.

Speaker 16 She's your least favorite in the house?

Speaker 21 She serves on the oversight committee with me and she serves on my Doge subcommittee.

Speaker 16 Like when you pass her in the hall.

Speaker 32 Actually, I let her talk.

Speaker 21 I think she is, the more she talks, the better it is for us. Let me tell you.

Speaker 21 Just let her cook.

Speaker 16 Let her go. I hear she's very good to her staff.

Speaker 21 Oh, yeah, there's a lot of rumors about that.

Speaker 16 Tell us about the pillow.

Speaker 17 Well, okay.

Speaker 21 So we were having one of our hearings and she was demanding her staff come over, give her attention right away.

Speaker 16 Can you come over here?

Speaker 16 Yeah, very.

Speaker 21 She tells them something. They go running off.
A few minutes later, they come back with a pillow.

Speaker 16 But it's not a pillow like this.

Speaker 21 It is a big, square, fluffy.

Speaker 21 Very nice pillow and they tuck it behind her back for her.

Speaker 21 And I was sitting there and I'm looking at it.

Speaker 17 I'm going,

Speaker 21 what am I looking at? So I took a picture of it. I actually have a picture of it.
But

Speaker 21 one of the things she does is she always has one of her male staffers carrying around her giant handbag.

Speaker 21 And there's rumors that they have to fetch her dry cleaning and all kinds of things.

Speaker 16 Is she only in her 30s? Why do you need the big pillow and you can't carry your own bag in your 30s?

Speaker 17 I don't know.

Speaker 21 I think she's in her 40s, upper 40s.

Speaker 17 Okay, all right.

Speaker 16 Well, she just acts like she's very, very immature.

Speaker 21 Yeah, well, I don't know. Maybe perimenopause.

Speaker 17 Yeah.

Speaker 16 All right, so you're saying not now.

Speaker 16 You're not aspiring to a higher office right now, but not ever, because I think you actually would make a great president.

Speaker 21 Well, thank you, Megan. That's very sweet.

Speaker 16 I think your I don't give an F attitude is exactly what we need.

Speaker 21 Well, I appreciate that.

Speaker 16 I do.

Speaker 21 But let's think about what does this look like for fundraising. I've burned down the military industrial complex.
I've burned down big pharma. I'm burning down the health insurance companies.

Speaker 21 I mean, if I can get like what, how many 10 million Americans to throw in like 100 bucks, maybe I have a shot?

Speaker 16 It sounds like Trump to me. That's what it sounds like.
Same model, right?

Speaker 16 No one controls you. You'll get there your own way.
Whatever happens, you have a very bright political career ahead of you. Marjorie, thank you.
Thanks for everything. Thanks, Brina.
Straight shooter.

Speaker 16 Thank you.

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Speaker 17 Megan Kelly live on tour across America. I was like, we have to go.

Speaker 28 And then, after what happened to Charlie, I'm like, we definitely have to go.

Speaker 38 The best way to honor Charlie's legacy is to be out here, to be unafraid, to not back down, stand firmly, do not waver on the truth.

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Speaker 16 All right, so my next guest is somebody I met back when I was at Fox News and I was hosting the midday show America Live.

Speaker 16 It was around, it must have been like 2012 because I think I was at the Republican National Convention backstage.

Speaker 16 And I think it was 2012, could have been 2008, whatever. And this guy comes backstage with the handlebar mustache and the black cowboy hat, which he's never without.

Speaker 16 And I knew this guy because I was a fan of his, but I couldn't believe he was actually backstage, wanting to talk to me.

Speaker 16 And from that moment forward, a beautiful friendship was born between yours truly and John Rich.

Speaker 16 He made it huge in the country music industry

Speaker 16 as part of Big and Rich. And then a couple years back said, you know what? I'm not doing the record label thing anymore.

Speaker 16 I'm not going to be controlled by a group of people that's gone woke and has rejected the traditional values that made country what it is and decided to launch an independent music label and get his music out direct to the consumers.

Speaker 16 And that has been a hit.

Speaker 16 Now, John Rich is free to go on Fox News or Fox Nation or do whatever shows he wants, including yours truly's, and say whatever he wants, which is the principle by which he lives as the son of a preacher man.

Speaker 16 Here's a little introduction, and then you will have the pleasure of hearing him not only speak, but play.

Speaker 17 If you're wondering why there's no Johnny Casses or Wayland Jennings or Rhetta Linz, well, there's a good reason for that because none of those people would have been allowed to exist today.

Speaker 17 Stick your promise with a sunbone side. I just decided my freedom of speech was more important to me than the approval of the music industry.
Are you a conservative? Yes, I'm a conservative.

Speaker 28 You are a lover of America, a lover of the Constitution.

Speaker 17 Of course, yeah.

Speaker 28 A lover of President Trump?

Speaker 17 I don't think there's any downside to getting your job back or keeping more of your money.

Speaker 42 My good friend, John Rich, of Big and Rich, he happened to win The Apprentice, but we won't even get into that.

Speaker 17 The winner?

Speaker 42 Week after week, it was John Rich, you're going to make it. They said you fired to everybody but John Rich, right? So

Speaker 35 thank you. Great job.

Speaker 17 The wave of wokeism that's hit this country and especially the entertainment business, that made its way to Nashville. Recently, I put out a post.

Speaker 17 calling out conservative country artists that have yet to come forward and support President Trump. I mean, Trump won the popular vote in a landslide victory.
Every swing state went to Trump.

Speaker 17 What are you guys afraid of? Now, grow a parrot.

Speaker 17 If they made me CEO of Cracker Barrel, we would start doing the Pledge of Allegiance every morning when we opened at breakfast and we do the national anthem at lunch. I pray to God.

Speaker 17 You think that's on? I've got two kids and I didn't want to be the dad. that yells at the TV at home and then goes out in the world and plays patty cake with this nonsense.

Speaker 17 Be the same guy all the time. I didn't want them seeing dad being a hypocrite.

Speaker 17 The thing I love the most about this country is: I wake up every day, I go, as long as I'm still breathing, the game ain't over.

Speaker 16 Literally the coolest man I know.

Speaker 16 There was a picture up there of yours truly at a John Rich concert, a big and rich concert, and that was after John gave me a beautiful Gibson guitar with my name stenciled in Mother of Pearl on the neck.

Speaker 16 And I almost brought that guitar here just to show you that I still have it and it's rather unused.

Speaker 16 And I should have, John. Tell them what what happened.

Speaker 17 Okay, so, first of all, how y'all doing down in Georgia tonight? Y'all feeling good?

Speaker 17 Country music territory.

Speaker 17 Yeah, so Megan, I was trotting up onto the stage to do a sound check. I had a Gibson J45, it was the music mafia edition, covered in rhinestones, the entire thing.

Speaker 17 Brought it from Nashville, and the last step right over there, there,

Speaker 17 the very end of my boot caught that last step, and I fell flat on my face, and that guitar slammed down on the stage, and the headstock broke. We have a picture of Mike Gibson.

Speaker 17 I mean, it smashed my guitar.

Speaker 16 Look how sad that is.

Speaker 17 It broke it in half, and I said, well.

Speaker 17 I guess I'll sing a cappella tonight.

Speaker 16 We would have gladly taken that.

Speaker 17 Which I would have done that. Yeah, you could do that.
But your crew was so good that they actually rounded up a guitar. Within about an hour, I had another guitar in my hands.
And it's right here.

Speaker 17 And here she is. And I don't know her very well.
I feel like I'm cheating.

Speaker 16 But thank you for pinch hitting.

Speaker 17 Yeah, absolutely. It does have some Chinese tuner keys up here, but...

Speaker 17 But it's okay. We're going to bend this guitar's will to Americanism tonight.
Yeah. We're going to bend its will.

Speaker 16 Do you think it was the traditional country music labels that foiled your trip up those stairs? Because I don't think they're too happy that you've managed to make it without them.

Speaker 17 Oh man, they hate me and I hate them too.

Speaker 16 Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 24 How did country go woke?

Speaker 17 Country went woke when

Speaker 17 Nashville started firing the original guys that built and ladies that built our music and they started hiring people from California and New York. That's what happened.

Speaker 16 We ruined everything.

Speaker 17 Well, ruined Florida. But you're from upstate New York.

Speaker 16 Yes, actually, we're normal.

Speaker 16 Upstate New Yorkers speak sense. Well,

Speaker 17 people don't know this, but there's more white-tailed deer in upstate New York than there is in Tennessee.

Speaker 16 No one's ever called me that before.

Speaker 17 Well, I'm glad to be the first.

Speaker 17 No,

Speaker 17 they

Speaker 17 replaced people in Nashville with people from the coast,

Speaker 17 and they started to change the dynamic and the narrative of the, and really

Speaker 17 the livelihood of those companies from the top down. And what happened was it not only affected the artists, but it also affected the songwriters.
And I'll tell you this.

Speaker 17 Songwriters, in my opinion, are the most, some of the most powerful people in the world.

Speaker 17 Because they take blank sheets of paper

Speaker 17 and they can write anything they want to on that blank sheet of paper.

Speaker 17 And most of the time it means nothing. I've written over 2,000 songs in my life and most of them you'll never hear.

Speaker 17 But a few of them

Speaker 17 you will hear. If you look back at the Vietnam War, you think about Even guys that are,

Speaker 17 you know, guys that I go, well, I don't agree with them at all. But I will tell you, back in the Vietnam War,

Speaker 17 they helped to shut it down. It was guys like Bob Dylan.
It was guys like Creedon's Clearwater Revival, John Fogarty.

Speaker 17 American songwriters

Speaker 17 that tap into the populist sentiment, can put it on a page, sing it into a microphone, and project it through radio, they shut down the Vietnam War.

Speaker 17 Powerful what that is.

Speaker 17 Today, it's a little bit different because the industry is completely overrun with

Speaker 17 whack job communists.

Speaker 17 Big time.

Speaker 17 But there's a few of us still out there that will write what we think. And we will not apologize when we sing it and we'll stick it right in your face and make you deal with it.

Speaker 16 Yes.

Speaker 17 That's music. That's what it means to be an American artist.

Speaker 17 An American artist does not kowtow to the company.

Speaker 17 An American artist writes what they feel, and they sing it with conviction, and they make sure that you damn well hear it. Can I get a hell yeah out of Georgia one time? Hell yeah!

Speaker 17 That's what it is.

Speaker 16 Yes, right on. You know, you don't think about artists in music being affected by the same censorship everybody's felt.
I can't say it because I'll get in trouble.

Speaker 16 I can't write it because I'll get fired. And to think that of all industries, country music, which is right at the heartland, it comes right from the beating heart of America.

Speaker 16 It's beloved mostly by conservatives who tend to vote red, that that industry could be corrupted by these people and still manage to sell any records is baffling to me. Did it hurt sales?

Speaker 16 Did the industry suffer?

Speaker 17 Well, so

Speaker 17 I can tell you when I made the move, I lost country radio and I lost the record industry because

Speaker 17 they're conglomerates now. So when I showed up on the scene,

Speaker 17 you had

Speaker 17 all these record labels that were independent, still big companies, but independent. And then here comes Sony, Universal, and Warner Brothers.

Speaker 17 So between Sony, Universal, and Warner Brothers, 95% of all record labels are owned by those three companies.

Speaker 17 And they are run by people who are woke ideologists who understand who the audience is. Oh, they get it.
They know who it is.

Speaker 17 And so they sign artists that they think will speak to that audience.

Speaker 17 But they put guardrails around them and go, you can only go so far with what you're going to say. For instance, Megan, you would never hear,

Speaker 17 I got got a shotgun, a rifle, and a four-wheel drive, and a country boy can survive. You're not going to hear that on country radio today.
You're not going to hear,

Speaker 17 I shot a man in Reno just to watch him die. No, you're not going to hear that either.

Speaker 17 You're not going to hear those kind of lyrics on country radio because country radio is owned and operated by woke liberal crazy people. That's amazing.

Speaker 17 So it comes incumbent upon us, the ones of us that don't have contracts. I got no contract in the world with anybody.
Can I get a hell yeah one time out of Georgia?

Speaker 17 Hell yeah.

Speaker 17 So it comes down to us. We got to be the ones that say it, that can cut through the creases in between the pages.

Speaker 17 And get our message out and let folks out here who are all feeling like they're isolated. You know,

Speaker 17 the main thing they've done to us, Megan, is they have made us feel like I'm the only one that's thinking that way.

Speaker 17 But then that song comes out.

Speaker 17 That song comes out. And everybody says, yes, I feel like that.

Speaker 17 That's when you see some unity starting to happen in our grandma.

Speaker 16 What does that feel like, John?

Speaker 16 You pick up that guitar, you get your sixth string.

Speaker 17 It's my borrowed.

Speaker 16 And

Speaker 16 you sing. I say and you sing all the things that they don't want you singing.

Speaker 16 And you project that message out into the world, and you know it's resonating, you know they're listening, and you're touching something deep inside of them. What is that like?

Speaker 17 It's a responsibility, is the way I look at it. You know, I have a high school diploma,

Speaker 17 grew up in a double-wide

Speaker 17 in Amarilla, Texas, up in the Panhandle of Texas. My dad's been preaching since he was 19 years old, and my dad's 73 now, and he is just

Speaker 17 nasty in the way he comes at it. I mean, he'll tell you straight up

Speaker 17 what the Bible has to say about it.

Speaker 17 That's really all you should be concerned about is what the Bible has to say about it, not what Trump or anybody else has to say about it. I support Trump,

Speaker 17 but what God has to say about it overrides him all day long.

Speaker 17 It's the way I look at it.

Speaker 17 I think it's a very important time in our country, Megan, because

Speaker 17 a lot of people are feeling that press. They're feeling that anxiety.

Speaker 17 What's going to happen next?

Speaker 17 There's a lot of bad people in our country right now, a lot, a whole bunch of them.

Speaker 17 And you wonder, when are they going to show up and what are they going to do when they do show up?

Speaker 17 I was told

Speaker 17 about three or four days after Charlie Kirk was assassinated, I was told by a couple of of three-letter agencies called me up and they said, John,

Speaker 17 make sure you wear body armor when you go out to play any publicly promoted events.

Speaker 17 I said, me?

Speaker 17 Yeah.

Speaker 17 I said,

Speaker 17 why is that? They said, because you're outspoken. Because you talk about things that they hate.

Speaker 17 And they

Speaker 17 just be careful. It's what they basically tell me, was that.
So there's been a shift in the dynamic since Charlie Kirk's assassination. Can I just say, can I just say?

Speaker 16 I'm sure you felt it as well.

Speaker 16 Honestly, I know that's real, and it's something that's been like an unspoken thing underneath the tour the whole time. But thank you for doing this, notwithstanding the threat.

Speaker 17 Of course.

Speaker 16 And thanks to you guys for being here, notwithstanding the threat.

Speaker 16 It's balls to the wall time.

Speaker 16 Like we are all citizen soldiers right now even just in showing up here.

Speaker 16 It took a lot of guts because it is a highly threatening environment and not for one second did you consider canceling because I know you and that's that's the way we fight back.

Speaker 16 We show up, we do our thing, we sing the songs, we stand tall, there's risk involved, but there's risk involved in everything. There's risk involved in driving to the airport.

Speaker 16 There's risk involved in everything we do. This risk actually matters.
This risk actually drives us to something that is unifying, right? Just sitting here with each other, it's like church.

Speaker 16 All these like-minded people who have the same mission generally in life, and we all have each other's backs, and you know that. You don't feel isolated.

Speaker 16 You feel that unity that is like uplifting and gives you the power to do the next thing. And then on top of that, you get a John Rich song.

Speaker 17 What the?

Speaker 16 What blessings are we having here tonight?

Speaker 17 You and I have been friends a long time. Would you like to hear the story of the first time I met Megan Kelly? You want to hear that?

Speaker 17 Can I tell them? Yeah.

Speaker 17 So I was watching Fox News, and there's Megan Kelly and Bill Hammer. What year was that, by the way?

Speaker 16 2007. We launched that show, and it lasted until 2009, and then I went to the afternoon.

Speaker 17 Okay. I thought it was about 07, 08.
So I was right about that. Thank God.

Speaker 17 So.

Speaker 17 Megan was up there killing it with Bill and, you know, doing her thing every day. And I remember hearing you say that, yeah, Bill, I'm taking guitar lessons.

Speaker 17 And I went, oh, what? What did she just say?

Speaker 17 Oh, she wants to play a guitar, does she?

Speaker 17 And then I get a call from Fox News, and they say, yeah, we'd like you to come on with Megan and Bill and talk about whatever the subject was. I said, yeah, the answer is yes.

Speaker 17 And then I immediately called Gibson Guitars and I said, hello, Gibson Guitars. I would like to have a a Gibson J45 made

Speaker 17 with the name Megan, M-E-G-Y-N, right down the neck and mother of pearl, because I want to give it to her. And they said,

Speaker 17 okay, how much time do we have? I said, two weeks.

Speaker 17 They said,

Speaker 17 I'm not sure we can do that. I said, well, you're going to have to get her done because I'm going to New York.

Speaker 17 They said, all right, we'll get it done. We'll get it done.

Speaker 16 It's so beautiful.

Speaker 17 So I handed you that guitar live on television. So my question question is, if I handed you this guitar, could you play a G chord on it, right? I can play a G chord.

Speaker 16 Yes, yes. Can you play a G chord?

Speaker 17 What do you got?

Speaker 17 Let's see if she can play a G chord.

Speaker 17 I prefer to have the king.

Speaker 17 Yes. Yes.

Speaker 17 Oh,

Speaker 17 she got it.

Speaker 17 That was it. Yeah.
I got an E. You got an E minor?

Speaker 17 Yeah, minor. There we go.
You got an E minor, and you got a D?

Speaker 17 Okay, so you can play 90% of all country music if you know those three chords.

Speaker 17 A round of applause for Megan Kelly, guitar picker, honky talker.

Speaker 16 Here's some happy news.

Speaker 16 While I have not been practicing my Gibson guitar in quite some time, though I did spend a lot of time practicing it when I first got it, my son, who is backstage, has picked it up, John Rich.

Speaker 17 Wonderful.

Speaker 16 And he is now practicing on the Gibson guitar.

Speaker 17 Well, I'm happy and sorry for you at the same time because Lord knows what happens next.

Speaker 16 Maybe you could do us the honor of showing him what that practice could turn into.

Speaker 17 I would love to hear that. Would you like to hear some John Rich music?

Speaker 17 I would love to do that.

Speaker 16 I would love to hear something. Whatever you want to play.
What do you want to play?

Speaker 17 Do you want me to play? Could you? Okay.

Speaker 16 All right.

Speaker 17 So I busted my guitar. This is the backup.

Speaker 17 Thanks to your team for bringing me one. There are Chinese parts on this guitar, so it doesn't work as good as the American version.
Can I get a hell yeah one time?

Speaker 16 Let's see what you can do with the Chinese version.

Speaker 17 So being that today is the 60th anniversary of November 8th, 1965.

Speaker 17 I just want to sing this song. Me and my friend Big Kenny of Big and Rich.
Brigand Rich.

Speaker 17 We wrote this song after we met this man in the great state of South Dakota, Deadwood, South Dakota.

Speaker 17 We went all the way back to Vietnam with him.

Speaker 17 The only thing he had from that battle was he still had the boots that were on his feet. They cut the boots off before they put him in the hospital, and somehow or another, he wound up with them.

Speaker 17 They were covered in mud, covered in blood.

Speaker 17 He was one of three that survived that day.

Speaker 17 And there's a big song in the big and rich world called The 8th of November.

Speaker 17 And so I wanted to sing this song and dedicate it to all of our veterans tonight, all of our active duty, all the boys and girls overseas in harm's way,

Speaker 17 and the 13-plus that never came back from Afghanistan. And we know that is total horseshit.
We will never get over it. We will never forgive you for that, ever.

Speaker 17 I want our veterans to know that the civilians feel your pain. We appreciate you.
We appreciate you. Your sacrifice means something to us.
So I'm going to sing this song on nothing but a microphone,

Speaker 17 not my backup Chinese guitar.

Speaker 17 I'll leave that for save a horse ride a cowboy here in a minute.

Speaker 17 Said goodbye to his mama as he left South Dakota to fight for the red, white, and blue.

Speaker 17 He was 19 and green with a new M16,

Speaker 17 just doing

Speaker 17 what he had to do.

Speaker 17 He was dropped in the jungle where the choppers would rumble, with the smell of napalm in the air.

Speaker 17 And then the sergeant said,

Speaker 17 look up ahead.

Speaker 17 Like a dark evil cloud, 1200 came down on him and 29 more.

Speaker 17 They fought for their lives, but most of them died in the 173rd airborne.

Speaker 17 On the 8th of November, the angels were crying as he carried his brothers away.

Speaker 17 With the fire raining down and the hell all around,

Speaker 17 there were few men left standing that day

Speaker 17 saw the eagle fly

Speaker 17 through a clear blue sky in 1965

Speaker 17 on the 8th of november

Speaker 17 now he's 78 and his ponytail's gray but the battle still plays in his head

Speaker 17 and he limps when he walks but he's strong when he talks about the shrapnel left in his leg

Speaker 17 he puts on a gray suit over his airborne tattoo as he ties it on one time a year

Speaker 17 and remembers the fallen as he orders a tall one and swallows it down with his tears on the 8th of november the angels were crying as he carried his brothers away.

Speaker 17 With the fire raining down and the hell all around, there were few men left standing that day.

Speaker 17 Saw the eagle fly

Speaker 17 through a clear blue sky in 1965,

Speaker 17 on the 8th of November.

Speaker 17 said goodbye to his mama

Speaker 17 as he left South Dakota to fight for the red, white, and blue.

Speaker 17 He was 19 and green with a new M16,

Speaker 17 just doing

Speaker 17 what he had

Speaker 17 to do.

Speaker 17 Woo!

Speaker 17 Wow.

Speaker 17 So beautiful. God bless our veterans in active duty.
God bless y'all.

Speaker 16 Amen.

Speaker 16 Wow.

Speaker 16 That was incredible. What a tribute.

Speaker 16 We got to go because we've got to bring on Adam Carolla, but we are not letting you out of here without a little... I don't know.
Anybody in the mood to save a horse, ride a cowboy?

Speaker 16 A little song you may have heard of?

Speaker 17 You know, Megan, when I sing this song, Save a Horse, Ride a Cowboy.

Speaker 17 Let me play this for a minute, make sure their sound man's got it. Does this thing even work?

Speaker 16 It's no Gibson.

Speaker 17 You getting it out there?

Speaker 16 Oh, there it is. There we go.

Speaker 17 I will admit, I used to have a crush on Megan Kelly big time. Wow.
Go on. Guys, guys.

Speaker 17 All the men in the crowd tonight, if you're being honest, at one point or another, did you have a total crush on Megan Kelly? Raise your hand.

Speaker 17 Big time in the front row.

Speaker 16 You better watch it. My big brother's here.

Speaker 17 Give me some more guitar. I'm going to tear the strings off this Chinese sucker.

Speaker 17 This might be the greatest thing the Chinese ever gave us, a guitar to sing on Megan Kelly's show tonight.

Speaker 17 This is one of the dumbest songs ever written in country music,

Speaker 17 but it caused a small baby boom in the early 2000s. Can I get a hell yeah?

Speaker 28 Hell yeah!

Speaker 17 And it goes like this:

Speaker 17 Yeah, when I walk into the room, passing out hundred-dollar bills, and it kills and it thrills, like the horns on my silver bradle grill.

Speaker 17 High by the barn, triple round a crown. Everybody's getting down at this town.

Speaker 17 It ain't never gonna be the same. Y'all sing it, cause I saddle up my horse and I ride into the city.

Speaker 17 I make a lot of noise, cause the girls are all so pretty.

Speaker 17 Riding up and down Bowel my old stuffy boy and the girls say save us right a cowboy

Speaker 17 Everybody's chase save us right a cowboy

Speaker 17 Yeah, well I don't give a damn about nothing I'm singing and bling bling while the girls sing it girls long necks down and I wouldn't can only royal my Chevrolet for your respiratory or your free parade I'm the only John Wayne that's in this town.

Speaker 17 And I started up my horse. I ride into the city.

Speaker 17 I make a lot of noise cause the girls are all so pretty. Be riding up and down by the way on my old study road.
And the girls say, Savo, Shroud of Cowper.

Speaker 17 Everybody says, Sabo, Shroud of Cowper. Are you having a good time with Megan Kelly tonight?

Speaker 17 Come on.

Speaker 17 Alright, this is the audience participation part. Well, I'm a thoroughbred, that's what she said in the back of my truck bed as we was getting buzzed on suds down on some backcountry road.

Speaker 17 We were flying high, fine as wine, having ourselves a Megan Kelly kind of time. I was going about as far as she let me go.
Yo, get your hands up.

Speaker 17 But her evaluation of my cowboy reputation had me begging for salvation on our phone. There you go.

Speaker 17 I took around digging prowls, introduced her to my old bird cow. Sing every Gretchen Wilson song I could think of.
We made love and outside love mode.

Speaker 17 I ride into the city.

Speaker 17 I make a lot of noise. Cause the girls, they also gritty.

Speaker 17 Me riding up and down Broadway on my old steady royal. And the girl says, Say us, try to to cowboy.

Speaker 17 Everybody sing, say us, ride a cowboy.

Speaker 17 What? What?

Speaker 17 Say us, ride a cowboy. Come on, Georgia.
Everybody sing it. Save us.

Speaker 17 Put your hands together for Miss Megan Kelly one time rocking the great state of Georgia.

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Speaker 16 John Rich, everybody.

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Speaker 16 Love John. Honestly, he uh just a follow-up to that guitar story he told you.

Speaker 16 There was one day I was sitting there in America's newsroom with Bill Hemmer and we were doing a story about a fire that had taken over somebody's like whole block and

Speaker 16 like it was one of those things where like the people had two seconds to grab one thing and run.

Speaker 16 And Hammer asked me, if you had two seconds to grab something out of your house, one thing and run, what would it be? And I said, I think it would be my John Rich Gibson guitar.

Speaker 16 And John was watching. He sent me a note immediately saying, Darling, if your house catches on fire, you just run.
I'll get you another guitar.

Speaker 17 You don't worry about that.

Speaker 16 Such a good guy.

Speaker 17 Okay.

Speaker 16 We have for our final act. Love you too.

Speaker 16 Is this a great show?

Speaker 25 Are you guys having fun?

Speaker 16 Like Tonight's is really good. Yes.

Speaker 16 My next guest may be the funniest, most entertaining person I've ever met. I love his dry, sarcastic, don't give an F sense of humor.

Speaker 16 All you have to do with Adam Kroll is really toss out any topic and then be quiet if you want to be entertained.

Speaker 16 And I will say, though we don't really love Jimmy Kimmel, There is something I love about his friendship with Jimmy Kimmel, right?

Speaker 16 It's just kind of good to remember that you you can have diametrically opposed politics with somebody and still love them and hold on to the friendship, like those two have somehow managed to do all these years after starring in the man show and being on radio together.

Speaker 16 So we have a little sizzle for you for Adam Krulla, and then we will bring the man himself out to meet you.

Speaker 17 You can't cancel me.

Speaker 17 I'm already canceled. I'm not fucking apologizing to any of you assholes.
And by the way,

Speaker 38 you don't accept apologies. That's what I figured out from these people.

Speaker 8 You're like the one person I know who seems totally uninterested in what the woke people say and totally unbothered by their attacks.

Speaker 39 There's a sort of freedom in not caring. There's a real freedom in not caring.

Speaker 17 The only thing in California that's not on fire are the homeless. That's all there is.

Speaker 35 I got yelled at. Somebody asked me about AOC and I said, listen, if AOC

Speaker 17 was fat and in her 60s, would anyone listen to another thing she ever said oh boy we're gonna step in that one and everyone is like whoa whoa whoa

Speaker 9 whoa what i do have a way to get biden out of there when he says i'm running for a second term you say but this is your second term

Speaker 43 i wrote a tweet it said COVID kills old people and it kills sick people and the rest of you just got played. And who's getting played next time? You got to take that tweet down.

Speaker 43 I was like, can't do it.

Speaker 17 I'm talking about this fucking hysteria.

Speaker 9 It's not going to work.

Speaker 39 It scares the shit out of the kids.

Speaker 17 Governor, why did you shut the beaches in California during COVID and you arrested a guy who was paddleboarding in the bay?

Speaker 17 Keep in mind, Newsome is a narcissistic sociopath.

Speaker 35 douchebag.

Speaker 38 All progressive guys cross their legs like women.

Speaker 7 David Newsome, watch them all.

Speaker 36 Watch them how they cross their legs and then watch how Trump crosses his legs. He puts a diamond in front of his tentacles.
Right. So there's Trump with the diamond.

Speaker 17 His diamond.

Speaker 36 His diamond, which accentuates his nutsack.

Speaker 36 And then you have Justin Trudeau signaling, I have no ball.

Speaker 36 Adam Parole, everyone.

Speaker 17 So funny.

Speaker 17 Insider joke.

Speaker 16 Take a look at how he's sitting.

Speaker 17 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 17 Now you could get Justin Trudeau and Obama's nutsack in between

Speaker 17 these thighs.

Speaker 17 It is crazy.

Speaker 17 I've been studying the deep leg cross, and it's all progressive men do that. One, Trudeau does it to expose his colorful sock.

Speaker 17 That's how you know he's on the right team. And then he does this deep dipping.
I can't, I wish I could.

Speaker 17 I can't, and I also can't scratch the back of my head because of my biceps. They're so,

Speaker 17 I actually travel with a guy in case the back of my head itches because of the guns.

Speaker 16 I'm checking my SOT list because there was one that I wanted to kick it off with. I can't find the number, but my team knows which one it is.
Okay?

Speaker 16 I wanted to get Adam Carolla's reaction to Zoran Mamdani

Speaker 16 the other night. I can't find it, but my team's better than I am.

Speaker 16 He was out there the other night. He was saying thank you to everybody who put him in office.
And it was like listening to somebody at the UN translate every single speaker who was coming up next.

Speaker 16 Yes, it was literally everyone in New York who was foreign-born, and not a single American that he wanted to thank. Do we have it? Let's find out together.

Speaker 16 Thank you to those so often forgotten by the politics of our city who made this movement their own.

Speaker 16 I speak of Yelene Bodega owners and Mexican Abuzz,

Speaker 16 Senegalese taxi drivers and Uzbek nurses,

Speaker 16 Trinidadian line cooks and Ethiopian aunties.

Speaker 17 It's all part of this crazy race hustle, which we all thought was sort of over like 30 years ago.

Speaker 17 And then Obama got put into office and it got put on creatine and they ratcheted it up a problem that doesn't exist and was gone a long time ago and it's really weird and it's it's sad and it's also super irresponsible to pit cultures against each other and then you come in as the savior who fights for all the cultures somehow just like you fight for the LGBT and the trans and the all communities and it's it's really grotesque and it's super narcissistic too like especially explain that explain that I've heard you say that Well, I mean, so the plan is, is,

Speaker 17 first off, half the time it comes from white women who just go, like, I'm just going to, I'm just going to swing in and rescue all your cultures

Speaker 17 and speak for all of you and all your cultures. But it's also...

Speaker 17 It's a step backwards in terms of what this nation has done and is doing and was about. I mean, this notion that we're living in Alabama in 1953

Speaker 17 is really a pathetic notion, and it's also a really dangerous notion for politicians to put out there constantly because it does get people killed.

Speaker 17 I mean, if you are a black man and a cop pulls you over and you think you have a target on your back, then why not try to attack the cop and get his gun away or take off or never comply?

Speaker 17 So, in Obama did most of this race hustling and it's really sad and I should say the Obamas because we could have with the Obamas and

Speaker 17 with the help of Oprah or LeBron James or many of the other luminaries in that community,

Speaker 17 they could have said sent a different message and they did not.

Speaker 16 They just kept Michelle Obama is still sending the message how aggrieved she is.

Speaker 16 How hard it is to be her.

Speaker 17 And she tells these stories like, well, you don't know what it's like being black because you go in to buy ice cream and people cut in front of you in line.

Speaker 17 She just names all the shit that happens to us all the time.

Speaker 17 That's exactly it. But she thinks it's because she's black.

Speaker 16 Yes, this week she was railing about how you don't understand black women have to straighten their hair and it takes a long time to straighten their hair.

Speaker 16 I'm like, do you have any idea how long it takes to get this hair to look like this? I just wake up with toddler hair in the morning. Like every woman spends a long time on her hair.

Speaker 16 And this week she's bitching about how she has to have a hair and makeup and a wardrobe team and it's not a luxury. It was a necessity, a necessity, because what woman buys off the rack?

Speaker 12 What?

Speaker 17 Literally all of us.

Speaker 17 I love women's racks.

Speaker 17 I think that's what you're saying, right?

Speaker 17 I kind of tuned out with the hair part, but then when you brought up the rack, I jumped back. I brought it home.
Yeah, you brought it home. So now I'm listening.

Speaker 17 i may even do a song where's my guitar god damn it did john take my guitar

Speaker 17 i put it out here before the show i told him don't touch the guitar now he plays my guitar and he strikes it speaking of hot how about your little bit on aoc how does she where does she fall on the hotness scale now oh aoc

Speaker 17 I mean, it was so funny because I did say that thing about her on Hannity and Hannity had to pretend like he didn't know what I was talking about.

Speaker 17 It was so funny because after I said that, you know, if she was fat and from Minnesota and middle-aged, no one would want to hear a word she had to say, right? That was my AOC tech.

Speaker 17 And

Speaker 17 after that, people would say to me, What did you really mean when you said that? And I said, I think it was pretty evident. I agree.

Speaker 17 We would not listen to her. You, we would listen to.
Thank you. Not as much.

Speaker 17 Well, I mean, come on, the package helps.

Speaker 17 But we would still listen to you. Just not as frequently, but we would listen because you, no, because you're beautiful, but you have a message too.
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 17 She's just a look.

Speaker 17 How about Kamala Harris?

Speaker 17 Oh, God.

Speaker 17 Well, okay, so she, all right, so we need to get serious for a second here.

Speaker 17 There is a problem, problem, and people are writing articles on it, and

Speaker 17 I've been sort of getting into it lately, which is a thing called gyno-fascism. And it's basically

Speaker 17 too many women with too many women ideas making too many decisions.

Speaker 17 And I don't mean you.

Speaker 17 No.

Speaker 17 No, well, no, but here's what I'm saying. You know,

Speaker 17 people like yourself do not, you have a much more masculine perspective on

Speaker 17 problem solving, but the aforementioned Justin Trudeau.

Speaker 16 He's a gyno-fascist?

Speaker 17 He is female in his thinking. No, Gavin Newsom thinks like a woman, and Margaret Thatcher has a male perspective.
And so

Speaker 17 when it comes to like Kamala, that's where all the word salad comes in. That's where all the talk, all the, I mean, Mandami's in office because, I don't know, 84% of women under 31 voted for him.

Speaker 17 He says nothing. It's all Pablom, and it's all part of the process talk.

Speaker 17 She just talks about, you know, a seat at the table where all the children of the world can feel like they can't, like, you know, and world-class health care and education.

Speaker 17 and no child should ever go to bed hungry and all this kind of stuff. And it's eaten up.
And I think women respond much more to that than a guy saying, look,

Speaker 17 we're going to storm Normandy Beach. We're probably going to lose about 8,000 19-year-old dudes, but we'll win the war.

Speaker 16 Friends of ours have like this old Jeep, like really beat up. I don't know how old it is, but it's beat up.
And

Speaker 16 it's got a bumper sticker on the back. These are guys.
And it reads, no airbags. We die like real men.

Speaker 17 Yeah.

Speaker 17 Like, I want to be killed by an antler. That's how male I am.

Speaker 17 I'm not saying how it's going to happen.

Speaker 17 I could fall asleep under a fireplace drunk and it could fall off the wall. But either way,

Speaker 17 I'm going.

Speaker 17 By an antler or it'll come through the windshield on a country road

Speaker 17 An antler. Okay.
I talked to John backstage. He says he knows a guy who can see to that.

Speaker 16 What kind of energy does Katie Porter have?

Speaker 17 Oh, my God.

Speaker 17 She can be your next governor if you're lucky.

Speaker 17 Listen, first off, I was early money on hating Katie Porter. You guys, you're all bandwagoners who just, you just jumped on the Katie Porter hate train 10 minutes ago.

Speaker 17 There was a thing about five or or six years ago that I responded to, which was,

Speaker 17 I think it was a bank, it was Washington Mutual, B of A, it was one of the big banks put a thing out and said, like, here's how you can save money.

Speaker 17 Don't buy coffee at the Starbucks, make your own coffee. And don't order an Uber, walk to the place, you know, and stop eating out at restaurants.
Make your own food and save money.

Speaker 17 So this is a bank telling its clientele, hey, here's a good way to save money. Stop going out and spending it all on sushi and Starbucks and everything else and Ubers.

Speaker 17 And Katie Porter had to write the bank and write a tweet to basically say, Hey, rich elitists, why don't you start paying your employees a living wage and blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 17 And that was like six years ago. And I was like, all right, I'm done with this cow.

Speaker 17 I'm done. Because all that was, but bigger, it's a bigger problem because it's a war on traditional values.
It's a war on what got us here, and it's a war on what works. You know what I mean?

Speaker 17 Like my thing is just, you want to lose weight? Diet and exercise. Family and education.
Like real basic stuff. And they're constantly attacking what is and what works, you know?

Speaker 17 And she's attacking Washington Mutual for just saying things your grandfather would have told you to do. Like if you said to grandpa,

Speaker 17 I'm not saving enough money. You go, well, stop spending it at Starbucks and start making your own meals or pack your own lunch or whatever that is.
So she was early money along with Liz Warren on

Speaker 17 that subject. And that's when I learned to hate her.

Speaker 16 I have to say, assumes facts, not evidence, I do not hate her. I actually love her.

Speaker 17 Oh, you do?

Speaker 16 I can't get enough of her. I mean, I really hope she gets the nomination.
I hope she becomes your next governor. I hope we have her to kick around for many, many years to come.

Speaker 16 I look forward to the next time she's triggered, and I can only hope that a camera will be nearby.

Speaker 17 Well, her yelling at underlings is the only thing I liked about the woman, I must say.

Speaker 16 Explain that. Okay, there may be some truth in that.

Speaker 17 I am here to tell you, as somebody who's been on camera quite a few times, when stuff goes wrong,

Speaker 17 somewhere at some point, you do tend to yell. You know, you go, Bill O'Reilly.
O'Reilly, do it live! We'll do it live!

Speaker 17 Fuck it! Yeah.

Speaker 16 I did hear you doing a bit about how some people who work for you believe there's just no pleasing Adam. There's just no pleasing him.

Speaker 17 I know.

Speaker 17 My answer to that is, why don't you try me? Try it. Just let's let's let's conduct a wild experiment.
You do some of the stuff I ask you to do once in a while.

Speaker 17 And let's just see how bitter I am because I I bet it works.

Speaker 16 There is pleasing meat.

Speaker 17 It's a radical experiment, but we could try it.

Speaker 16 There is pleasing me.

Speaker 17 Yes, there's, yes, I could be pleased.

Speaker 16 So I mentioned.

Speaker 17 Not by Katie Porter.

Speaker 17 I would close my eyes.

Speaker 16 You'd be with Justin Trudeau center.

Speaker 17 Yeah.

Speaker 17 I mean, on one hand, she would stop talking.

Speaker 17 I was going to go into a song after that, but

Speaker 16 I lost my train of thought entirely.

Speaker 16 I'm just picturing that.

Speaker 17 Oh, God.

Speaker 17 My eyes.

Speaker 16 I think I was going to ask you about your friendship with Jimmy Kimmel, but let's table that. Let's table that.
I want to start with Gavin Newsom, the other, you know, the sitting governor. Yes.

Speaker 16 Do you recommend him as our next president?

Speaker 17 He's the sitting governor.

Speaker 16 You know, he was born a poor black child.

Speaker 17 I know.

Speaker 17 I love his hard scramble. I love his, I love it.
Everyone slept in their car. Everyone had it tough.
Rich people were like lower middle class. You know, I love it.

Speaker 16 He was just like you and your mom.

Speaker 17 Okay, first off, I'll tell you what poor was like, people.

Speaker 17 But first off, they always give it away. They always give it away.
They go, oh, no, we grew up. I was real lower middle class.
I had to work for everything I had. No, blue collar all the way.

Speaker 17 Anyway, my first year at Cambridge.

Speaker 17 And I'm like, Cambridge?

Speaker 17 How'd you get there? What are you talking about?

Speaker 17 Yeah, I grew up poor.

Speaker 17 You know, food stamps and welfare and blue collar and construction and never went to college.

Speaker 17 you know, drove pickup trucks and all that kind of stuff. Which, yeah, I don't know.
I don't know when It became in vogue recently. When I was poor, it wasn't popular to be poor.

Speaker 17 It was difficult to be poor. But now it's very popular to be poor.
And Newsom

Speaker 17 tries to do it. He did it on my podcast.
He did this single mom hard scrabble BS with me. His dad was a judge, and his dad

Speaker 17 was also like head counsel for Getty Oil. I mean, it basically, his his dad worked with the richest family in America and Gavin Newsome was buddies with all the Gettys.

Speaker 16 He was featured in a magazine with the caption Children of the Rich. Yes.
And now he wants us to believe he's the product of Destitution Derby.

Speaker 17 I was in a magazine called Children of the Corn, which is different.

Speaker 17 It was very difficult in that field growing up with the poverty.

Speaker 17 I do remember we had a cat, you know, poor guy's stories, but we did have, we had a cat that sort of just adopted us, you know, just sort of showed up at our house one day.

Speaker 17 And we went to go try to buy cat food at the market, and the lady said we couldn't use our food stamps to buy cat food.

Speaker 17 But she did.

Speaker 17 She did give it to us because my mom promised her we'd be eating the cat food.

Speaker 17 No, but now everyone's going to, you know, jack in the box and buying, you know, Yoohoos and everything. Like, what the hell? No.

Speaker 16 So like Gavin Newsom, I was also born a poor black child. And I found this out later in life when my mom, who, and my brother's mom,

Speaker 17 who

Speaker 16 she was a big garage sale fan. She still is a big garage sale fan.

Speaker 16 And she went out, she's like 70 years old, and she comes home with her latest purchase from the garage sale. And it's this sweatshirt.
And on the front of the sweatshirt reads, Foo Boo.

Speaker 16 Do you know what that is? For us, by us.

Speaker 17 It's a black acronym. Well, it's actually a blackronym.

Speaker 16 Yeah, it's a blackronym. It's not for 70-year-old white women.

Speaker 17 No, it is not. Yeah.

Speaker 16 That was the first moment I realized we were black.

Speaker 17 Yeah.

Speaker 16 Could have used that.

Speaker 17 My mom wore a tap-out hoodie for several years.

Speaker 17 Not even an MMA fan, just

Speaker 17 garage tale.

Speaker 17 I'll give a secondhand story. I'll be a one-upper or one downer.

Speaker 17 It was all thrift shops. We did a lot of thrift shopping and everything we bought, you know, and my mom would get sofas off the curb and tuck the sheet in, you know, and the whole nine yards.
And

Speaker 17 My sister had a glass that she got from the thrift shop and she drank out of it every day for like eight years. And it was a thick

Speaker 17 weird, kind of tall thing, graduated, had like numbers on the side, but it was cute. We got it at the thrift store.
And my sister drank out for like eight years.

Speaker 17 And then one day, a friend of the family came over, and I guess they were a physician or something. And this thing was sitting out.

Speaker 17 And

Speaker 17 he walked up to it and he goes, oh, look at that. It's one of those old-time urine collectors.
Oh, no.

Speaker 17 Yeah, like

Speaker 17 Civil War veterans with gonorrhea gonorrhea peed into that

Speaker 17 before my sister got hold of it.

Speaker 17 Oh, God. And

Speaker 17 it was interesting because after she drank from it for a while, I remember I said to her, what's going on? She went, what, tarnation? And I was like.

Speaker 17 Then she threw her hat on the ground when she was angry. So maybe it got to her.
I don't know.

Speaker 16 You could live forever with those kind of immunities.

Speaker 16 That's the only upshot when something goes really wrong. We were walking down the street in New York City when when my littlest, who's now 12, was like three, four, and he's lagging behind.

Speaker 16 We're like, where's Thatcher? What happened to Thatcher? We look back, it's New York. Look back, he's literally back there licking the scaffolding of a New York City building.

Speaker 16 The child's going to live to be 200 on the bright side.

Speaker 17 Kid loves construction.

Speaker 16 Yeah, he does, just like you.

Speaker 17 I do. I love construction.
I mean, I didn't like it when I was building other people's houses, I got to say. But now that I'm working on my own stuff,

Speaker 16 I do enjoy it. So what I love about you is notwithstanding your humble beginnings and your construction background, your ability to work with your hands,

Speaker 16 you have the gift of gab, you have the rhetorical gifts, and you use them to make us laugh. Now, some of your brethren in the comedy field choose to use their gifts not at all.

Speaker 16 They've checked all willingness to want to make us laugh and only want to make us think about their opinions, how smart they are, how much better than us they are.

Speaker 16 And that brings me to Stephen Colbert.

Speaker 16 I'm going somewhere with this. We have a little soundbite queued up because he's been, I don't know why he's doing promo, probably to save his dying show, which has already been canceled.

Speaker 16 And for some reason, they let him have some seven-month hiatus where he can stay on the air and just plead victimhood.

Speaker 16 But here he is explaining why he's so important to you and why you really need him. And this is why you love him.

Speaker 33 Watch.

Speaker 17 I'm curious what you feel like the great affirmative case is for a show like yours. Why should shows like mine continue to exist or like Kimmel or Jimmy or

Speaker 17 I said everyone plays a great affection, which is why I'm saying why?

Speaker 17 Oh.

Speaker 17 We're like your friend who at the end of the day paid attention to the news more than you did. And you're aware of it.
You just didn't do the detail work that we did.

Speaker 17 And then we curate that back to you.

Speaker 33 At the end of the day.

Speaker 17 But it's really more about how we feel about her. I as the person who met who like like is the vehicle for that

Speaker 17 How we felt about today all those things that might have made you confused or Angry or or or anxious or happy or surprised or something like that

Speaker 17 I Feel that way at the camera or to the audience really

Speaker 17 I'm really performing for the audience and the camera captures it

Speaker 16 Thank you, right? His sacrificed

Speaker 16 The most amazing thing about that is first of all, yes, they used to want to make us laugh.

Speaker 16 But second of all, the number of times with the I, I, I, I, I, I, I, and the dismissiveness, I have actually said to the audience before, I understand you have busy lives, you have jobs, you have families.

Speaker 16 You definitely probably do not sit there all day looking at every headline and refreshing it, and that's what we in the news business do. But the way he said that was so condescending.

Speaker 16 Like, I read the news, you don't read. I know more than you do.
His arrogance is oozing out of his pores, and he wants to use all of that to educate us because he's clearly our better.

Speaker 17 Yeah, I mean I think a lot of it goes back to college and the college campus and sort of where a lot of these people come from because a lot of these guys are academia type guys and Conan O'Brien's like a Harvard guy.

Speaker 17 There's like a lot of Ivy League sort of eliteism

Speaker 17 and I think somebody said a sense of humor is some sort of marker for intelligence and they all just jumped on it and held it with both hands. And it can be true sometimes.

Speaker 17 But

Speaker 17 these guys, and you know, I don't want to get into the III game like

Speaker 17 Colbert did, but these guys haven't been in the real world for a long time. time.
You know, it's been 30 some odd, you know, it's basically college.

Speaker 17 College goes through to, you know, doing the groundlings or improv troops, which are more like-minded people and then on to the daily show and then, you know, Jon Stewart and everything else.

Speaker 17 And they've really, they talk about

Speaker 17 common people or hardworking people or working men or the middle class or anything. They have disdain for those people.
And that's why not going to college is like the end of the world for these guys.

Speaker 17 And I'm always telling people, get a trade, go to trade school. We need, you won't be replaced by AI.

Speaker 17 If you can, you know, if you can do some, you know, if you can sweat copper pipes and, you know, turn a wrench and, you know, build,

Speaker 17 use a nail gun, frame a house, like you're not going to get replaced by a robot. So learn a trade.
But these guys are elitists. And Colbert's an elitist.

Speaker 17 And also, it's why they don't know what what they sound like when they when they talk because they don't realize they haven't been in that world for a long time and like I said they have a certain amount of disdain for those who are is doesn't it also explain why they look at Trump the way they do yes well Trump okay so the thing about Trump that you guys may not know

Speaker 17 is

Speaker 17 His background is as

Speaker 17 a commercial builder, right? And commercial builders are always in a hurry because it's always like, well, the foundation's done, but now the framing, but what's holding up the framing?

Speaker 17 Where are the doors and the windows?

Speaker 17 Where's the drywall crew? Where's the HVAC crew? Like, where's the pipe fitters? Like, it's always like, who's next? Who's next? Who's next?

Speaker 17 And they're always in a hurry.

Speaker 17 And also, you got to realize if you're a big-time commercial builder, you need subcontractors, really really good subcontractors who work with you all the time and have been there for many years so he has to surround himself with people who can get the job done that's basically Trump is the lead and these are all his subcontractors but if you ever see that tape of Trump coming down to Los Angeles after the fires and sitting with Karen Bass, my mayor, who is not a builder, she's more of a destroyer, and who is in no hurry to do anything and may suffer from a little gyno-fascism.

Speaker 17 He, Trump, is sitting there and he's going, let's go, let's go. People need to clear their lots.
They can start tonight. They should be able to do it themselves.
It's their lot.

Speaker 17 And she's like, slow it down,

Speaker 17 take it down.

Speaker 17 And he's like, no, but hurry. And she's like, no, no, no, no.
Safety, safety. Just slow it down.

Speaker 17 And that's kind of the difference with Trump. You can see the sort of commercial builder in him.
I mean, he literally is constantly like, hurry, what's next?

Speaker 16 What do you make of all the gilding at the White House he's doing?

Speaker 17 The gilding?

Speaker 16 Yeah, like the gold all over everything.

Speaker 16 Are we pro or anti?

Speaker 17 Oh, no, no. I would, look, I got to be honest, I would make fun of it if someone else was doing it.
But that's... That's my job, you know? Yes.
That's my job.

Speaker 16 That's not what you do when you build a house.

Speaker 17 You know, Gold Leaf doesn't have a lot of architectural integrity in terms of strength. Like, it doesn't have a good sheer strength.

Speaker 17 No,

Speaker 17 it is kind of funny. But I can make the case for it.

Speaker 16 I can make the case for it because I'm thinking, like, if you're married to Melania Trump and you've got to build a house around Melania, there has to be some gilding, does there not?

Speaker 16 You can't put her in, like, the double wide.

Speaker 17 No, no.

Speaker 17 No, she doesn't like bad paneling. She doesn't.
No. She won't cook off a George Foreman grill.
Oh, no.

Speaker 17 I found that out the hard way. Story for another day.
A long time ago.

Speaker 17 Yeah,

Speaker 17 she needs like a refrigerator with a window in it. Yes, or at least a mirror.

Speaker 16 That's what I'd do if I were Melania. Now, how about you? Tell me about your love life, because you got a divorce a few years ago.
Yes.

Speaker 17 And I think you got back on that horse did you not yeah I did although she doesn't like it when I call her a horse

Speaker 17 learn that the hard way too

Speaker 17 Yeah,

Speaker 17 I have a younger girlfriend now,

Speaker 17 which is nice, you know,

Speaker 17 but

Speaker 17 oy, oi, oi, yeah, thank you very much.

Speaker 17 Yeah, it's what happens when you get divorced in Hollywood. You get a younger girlfriend, you know.

Speaker 16 Was that difficult for you? Like to learn how to date again?

Speaker 17 No, I actually enjoyed it. But I got to say,

Speaker 17 it was a crazy story.

Speaker 17 I was doing a comedy show, and my girlfriend, as a comedian as well, was putting on the comedy show. It was like a corporate thing.

Speaker 17 And I saw her there and she was like so beautiful and everything and I was talking to her for a while and at the end she just said you know I got all these beautiful young friends who are single and I said oh well good'cause I'm getting divorced so why don't we try to set up this old guy because I need a horse to mount

Speaker 16 no wonder that worked. Yeah

Speaker 17 And she tried to set me up with her friends, but it didn't work and I ended up going out with her.

Speaker 16 You were the constellation prize.

Speaker 17 That's right. Okay.

Speaker 16 So, do you think marriage could be in your future again, or you're moving past that?

Speaker 17 Yeah,

Speaker 17 I think I can do it now, now that I'm going to die pretty soon.

Speaker 17 I don't think it's something you want to do in your early 20s, because that's a long time, especially with modern science.

Speaker 17 But now that I got one foot in the grave, yeah, I could see myself.

Speaker 17 You're such a romantic at heart. Well, you're the one who called her a horse.

Speaker 16 Do you guys argue a lot?

Speaker 17 She's Iraqi, so she has,

Speaker 17 you know, she's hot-blooded, I guess they call her, a little passionate, you know what I mean? She knows how to argue.

Speaker 16 When you have a fight, are you like, my husband needs to make up right away? He can't have me mad at him. Like, he needs to make up.
And I'm like, you know, I'm half Italian-Irish.

Speaker 16 I'm like, I need a minute.

Speaker 17 Yeah, I, you know, it's, it's a,

Speaker 17 there's a lot that I've learned over the years, and what I've really learned is just because you're right doesn't mean you can argue. And that's basically what I'd like to pass along.

Speaker 17 You guys know what I'm talking about, right?

Speaker 17 It's still a no-win situation. So I tend to just sort of button my lip and I put my head down and I just keep walking.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 17 Yeah.

Speaker 16 Yeah. Like Dr.
Phil says, how can you win when the person you love is losing?

Speaker 17 Yeah, that's

Speaker 17 true.

Speaker 17 And

Speaker 17 I do.

Speaker 17 It is one of those things where I really used to just think, well, look, if you're right, then you stand up for what you're right about. And

Speaker 17 you just make your point and then you get your hand held in victory and then you win. But

Speaker 17 there are no winners in that arena, is what I've figured out. And also

Speaker 16 I just I just realized that you know I think they call it the I don't know discretion's the better part of valor or something like that just basically shut up and watch TV yeah that's right that's that's definitely true if you want any action whatsoever again in your life yeah all right so let's let's talk let's spend a minute on Jimmy Kimmel because it seems like a modern miracle that the two of you maintained your friendship we started the night by talking about how many people here have lost a friend or lost a family member because of of their politics, and like at least 60% of the hands went up.

Speaker 16 So, how on earth have you guys maintained that friendship?

Speaker 17 Well,

Speaker 17 Jimmy, okay, a couple things. Jimmy got me into show business, essentially.

Speaker 17 I was his boxing coach, and it was sort of a nutty story. I don't know if you know it or if I've told you this one.

Speaker 17 Yeah, I do on the radio, and they've yeah, he was doing a radio, and he was boxing as a morning show stunt, and they they needed a trainer and I showed up.

Speaker 17 And so he worked very hard to get me out of boxing training and out of carpentry and into the radio,

Speaker 17 which he did. So

Speaker 17 I've always been indebted to him because I really,

Speaker 17 I cannot.

Speaker 17 I think you'll probably share this, which is there's nothing worse than an ingrate.

Speaker 17 Like when you help somebody and you take care of someone and you open a door for that person, you make the introduction and you do the whatever.

Speaker 17 And then at some point down the road, they treat you like shit or pretend like they don't know you. And it's like, come on, man, I got you into this, you know?

Speaker 17 And it's such a horrible trait in a person. And I just think if somebody opened a door for you and somebody helped you and somebody really made a difference in your life,

Speaker 17 you must take that one to the grave. You cannot turn your back on that.
And so

Speaker 17 that was like number one for me. Number two, we were always great friends, and politics had nothing to do with our lives, much like a lot of you.
It just didn't exist. I don't know.

Speaker 17 You know, we're hanging around Los Angeles. It's 1996.
We're trying to do comedy. I don't even know who the governor is, and I don't care, and he doesn't either.
You know what I mean? And

Speaker 17 it was a neither here nor there kind of thing. And so it doesn't have to be front and center to any relationship.

Speaker 17 It's politics. It's sort of, you know, family and friendship and

Speaker 17 faith and other things that start with an F, I guess.

Speaker 17 You know, all

Speaker 17 above, you know, and then at some point you can talk politics, but we never did. So,

Speaker 17 and also, I know him as a very good,

Speaker 17 dedicated person, father, friend, you know, treats my kids, you know,

Speaker 17 literally, you know, they call him Uncle Jimmy and so on and so forth. So, you know, I think there's a thing that happens, which is

Speaker 17 you guys know the version of him. that you see on TV or on your phone or whatever.
And I know another version of him, which is a completely different version. Very generous, very magnanimous,

Speaker 17 literally the most gracious person I've ever met, you know, sending gifts for the kids' birthday, you know, every year, and so on and so forth. So, I know who he is.
Politics was never a thing.

Speaker 17 To be fair to him, he doesn't, he's never done it to me either. It's not, you know, it's kind of a, you know, it's a two-way street.

Speaker 17 I say things that are horrible according to his constituency all the time. And vice versa.
And he never uses it as an example to

Speaker 17 disinvite me to any party or anything like that.

Speaker 16 I do think that's the key. Having friendships, I have a lot of friendships with people who are Democrats and liberals and do not share my politics.

Speaker 16 I have one friend who's actually woke and was on board with the whole BLM and marching and the whole thing. And we just don't talk about politics.

Speaker 16 There are so many things you can talk about other than politics. I love her like a sister.
There's nothing I wouldn't do for her. We just table all that stuff.

Speaker 16 And I do think it's important to remind people it's possible.

Speaker 16 And I think it's the beginning of reconnecting in the wake of Charlie. Now, we're not going to be friends with people who want us dead.
That's a totally different thing.

Speaker 16 But people who are normal leftists, well, liberals, I guess I'll say, normal liberals, are still worth reaching out to. I think it's the solution.

Speaker 16 That, plus going back to church, are the solutions to our problems.

Speaker 17 Yeah, we don't.

Speaker 17 We'll get together. We don't talk politics.
We'll just talk about what a douche Coberta is.

Speaker 16 That can keep you going all night. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 16 And on that note, we got to let you go. Thank you all so much for being here.
What a great night, Atlanta. I'm going to miss you when we're gone.

Speaker 16 Next time I come down to visit Pete, I'm calling you all up.

Speaker 16 Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

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