Dangers of Mamdani, Shapiro vs. Tucker, and the Strong Case Against Comey, with Matt Walsh and Victor Davis Hanson | Ep. 1186

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Speaker 30 Matt, welcome back. Great to have you.
We'll get to gold and all that, but we got to start with Mom Donnie.

Speaker 30 And this guy who's closely linked with radical Islamists like this Imam who testified for the blind sheikh, who bombed the World Trade Center in 1993.

Speaker 30 Mamdami, with his arms literally around that guy, calling him a pillar of the community, about to, as of the vote today, we believe, become the mayor of New York City. What do you make of it?

Speaker 32 Well, I think it's a disgrace. I think it's a shame.
It shows us that, you know, on the right, we were obviously celebrating after Donald Trump's victory as well. We should have.

Speaker 32 And it was a huge victory. And I think without Trump winning, we'd be in a much worse spot today.
But

Speaker 32 it certainly shows that the fight is not over, that there was a lot of talk, I think, among conservatives. And maybe I even use the phrase of like the golden age.
We're entering the golden age. And

Speaker 32 it's okay to be happy and celebrate. And sometimes

Speaker 32 you take it a little too far and you say things like that. But

Speaker 32 this is not quite the golden age yet, because we've got a foreign communist from Uganda who doesn't doesn't even pretend to like this country, much less love it, who's about to take over the largest and most important city in the country.

Speaker 32 And on top of that, I mean, this is, you know, if you were to go back, as many people have pointed out, if you were to go back to like 2002, let's say, and tell and stop anybody in New York City and tell them that in a couple of decades, the mayor would be an Islamist from Uganda

Speaker 32 who holds, tries to hold, tries to hold other candidates to account for not being able to name a mosque.

Speaker 32 That like not being able to name a mosque and not visiting a mosque is an attack line and a mayoral campaign in New York City.

Speaker 32 You know, if you were to tell someone that in New York in 2002, they would not have been able to believe it. And yet here we are.

Speaker 30 It's going to happen. I mean, the latest poll from Atlas Intel showed Cuomo within four,

Speaker 30 but that poll received some criticism for having too much,

Speaker 30 heavily weighted Republicans and independents, which of course are not the dominant voting bloc in New York.

Speaker 30 And it's amazing to me that this city, this great city, I mean, honestly, it's America's crown jewel.

Speaker 30 It's the greatest city in the world, in my opinion, Bar Nun, is about to be taken over by this, yes, communist, potentially radical Islamist.

Speaker 30 I mean, he's a wolf in sheep's clothing, Matt, because he's smiley.

Speaker 30 He's very, very good at social media. He knows how to talk a good game.

Speaker 30 We aired a Sod on our morning AM update show today of him being asked about the fact that Hakeem Jeffries, moments after he endorsed him, said, but is he the future of the Democratic Party? No.

Speaker 30 And the reporter asked, hey, what do you think of that? And he said, oh, you know, I'm just focused on campaigning right now, working out my anxiety before Tuesday's vote.

Speaker 30 by doing last-minute canvassing. That's all.
Very good answer, very smooth, smiley, focused relentlessly on affordability, which is an issue in New York, like in all major cities.

Speaker 30 And the people, especially the young people, are buying it hook, line, and sinker.

Speaker 32 They are. And this is, and what it shows, of course, is that the Democrat Party has not moderated at all.

Speaker 32 They haven't backed down from any of their craziest positions in the slightest bit. They're more radical than they've ever been.
They're more violent than they've ever been on top of it.

Speaker 32 But I think Mom Dani

Speaker 32 represents that. And you mentioned he's potentially radical Islamist.

Speaker 32 And this is one thing that's confusing for a lot of people because you see that he's islamic you know from he's islamic he's from uganda and you hear conservatives worry about the importation of sharia law into america but then you see well he's a far-left radical i think he showed up at a gay club in new york city a couple of days ago and so you see that as well he's not this is not a guy who represents sharia law uh well he he might not himself personally because he is a far left communist, but he's going to open the floodgates even more to immigrants from that part of the the world.

Speaker 32 And that's how you end up kind of with both. And I mean, already in New York City, I think it's 40% of the city was not born in this country.

Speaker 32 Not even that they're immigrants, second generation immigrants, but 40% of the country was not, of the, of the city was not born in the country. 20%

Speaker 32 are not proficient in the English language. And

Speaker 32 that's going to get, that situation is going to get much worse under Momdani, and intentionally so.

Speaker 32 And then at what point, like, at what point does, does, do you get to a point where it just doesn't work anymore?

Speaker 32 Where, like, how can you function as a community, as a city at all, if you can't do basic things like communicate with each other? And, you know, I've raised this point.

Speaker 32 A lot of people have raised this point

Speaker 32 because it's very relevant to this. I mean, this is how Mamdani is going to win.
He's going to win primarily because of all the foreign-born left-wingers who are in this.

Speaker 32 And the response has been, well, New York City has always been that way. Go back 100 years and you'll find that 20% or more

Speaker 32 struggled with the English language. And even if I were to accept that that's true for a second, this is a very, it's a very different kind of thing.

Speaker 32 Yeah, you go back 100 years, 150 years, and there were a lot of immigrants, but the immigrants now are different in two ways. I mean, number one, these are third world immigrants from

Speaker 32 largely from the Muslim world. That was not the case.
That was not the case 100 years ago. No.

Speaker 32 And also,

Speaker 32 this is the most important part.

Speaker 32 You're bringing in this foreign invasion of people who are not even

Speaker 32 interested in assimilating into American culture at all. I mean, they actively hate America, and yet they come here.
Look at Mamdani. I mean,

Speaker 32 he can't bring himself to say anything positive about America. All he does is complain about it.
He has the gall. He has the gumption to complain about Islamophobia.

Speaker 32 That was his closing argument, basically.

Speaker 32 That's what he spent the last week of his campaign doing was complaining about Islamophobia, making making up this story about an aunt who never existed and felt uncomfortable wearing a hijab on the subway, even though nothing happened to her, by the way, even in his fake story.

Speaker 32 She just felt uncomfortable wearing it. And somehow that's an example of Islamophobia.
And so it's just like total lack of gratitude for the country. When in reality, you know,

Speaker 32 there was no wide-scale persecution of Muslims after 9-11 at all. I mean, Muslims are safer in this country than they are in most Muslim-majority countries.

Speaker 32 And there's no gratitude for that, no attempt to assimilate. And that's a big difference between the kind of immigration we have today in the year 2025 and the kind that we had in like 1905 or

Speaker 32 1800.

Speaker 30 We talked earlier this week about his father who teaches at Columbia, who wrote a book in which he argues that we need to destigmatize the suicide bomber.

Speaker 30 That he has to be understood in a new light in modern day America, that he feels they've been wrongfully demonized.

Speaker 30 The suicide bombers, that's the man who raised the obvious next mayor of New York, unless something dramatic happens today at the polls. It's really outrageous.

Speaker 30 And to think that apple fell far from the tree is to delude yourself because the mother too has been on record saying there's nothing American about Zoran. She's very proud.
He's not American at all.

Speaker 30 He was raised in Uganda. He's a Muslim.
He's not American.

Speaker 30 You talk about how a lot of these Muslims, I don't know if they're radical or they're just Muslims, but either way, it's a problem because the tenets of Islam are not consistent with Western civilization.

Speaker 30 And I'm sorry, but they should not be ascending to our mayors and our governors and so on because Islam is not consistent with the premises of the West, the basic premises that led to the Bill of Rights here in America.

Speaker 30 And what you have is this argument about, oh, we're based, we're a nation based on immigrants.

Speaker 30 Yeah, like immigrants like my grandfather from Italy and then my grandfather on the other side from Ireland, who desperately wanted to to assimilate.

Speaker 30 But if they didn't, you know, then you'd have some guy with an Irish brogue eating a lot of meat and potatoes and drinking a lot.

Speaker 30 Like that was the most significant downside to the Irish not potentially assimilating.

Speaker 30 It's a very different story when you're talking about immigrants from Uganda who are Muslim at a minimum and potentially radicalized Muslims.

Speaker 32 Right. And look,

Speaker 32 you know, America is a Christian country. America was a Christian country at its foundation.
It was founded on Christian principles. That's not up for debate.
It's just a historical reality.

Speaker 32 It's historical fact.

Speaker 32 And one thing that you can't,

Speaker 32 I know some people try to argue that and say, well, some of the founding fathers were deists or whatever.

Speaker 32 And fine, some of them were. But the vast majority of the people who founded this country,

Speaker 32 the early settlers,

Speaker 32 the founders of this country, the pilgrims going all the way to the pilgrims, were Christians.

Speaker 32 And that's just, that's not up for debate at all. But what you certainly can't argue is that they were Muslim.
I mean, that certainly is not the case. Okay.

Speaker 32 So

Speaker 32 this is not a foundationally Muslim country. And that's why, like, there's, you go to Dearborn, Michigan, which has basically become an Islamic capital right in the middle of the American heartland.

Speaker 32 And now, if you're in Dearborn, you know, at 5.30 in the morning, you might hear the Islamic call to prayer being blasted by the loudspeakers at the local mosque. And

Speaker 32 Mehdi Hassan, I got into an argument with him recently because

Speaker 32 he said, well,

Speaker 32 what's the difference between that and church bells? It's no different. Well, there's a couple of differences, Mehdi.

Speaker 32 One is that

Speaker 32 the church bells don't chime at 5.30 in the morning. That's one thing.
But the other thing is that America is a Christian country. That's always been a part of our culture.

Speaker 32 Going back to its earliest days, you'd be, if you were, you know, in your town, in your village, you would hear church bells ringing. It's part of our culture.
And the Islamic call to prayer is not.

Speaker 32 And, you know, we shouldn't be shy about saying that.

Speaker 30 Not to mention, when the prayers begin, all you hear is, Allahu Akbar, Allahu Akbar, which is exactly what the terrorists were screaming as they flew those planes into the buildings on 9-11.

Speaker 30 That phrase is chilling for many of us who live through 9-11.

Speaker 30 But Momdani is most popular with young people under the age of 34, which is, I think he's 33, who really have no active memory of 9-11 whatsoever, and with foreign-born New Yorkers.

Speaker 30 So that's who's going to put this guy over the top, unless Andrew Cuomo manages to pull a rabbit out of a hat. Matt, have you seen the

Speaker 30 ballot that

Speaker 30 New York City is providing voters? It's insane.

Speaker 30 I think we made a full screen of of it, but if you put it on the board, it shows Mom Dani. Okay, we're showing it.
So for listening audience, it shows like the first box there, Zoran Momdani.

Speaker 30 And then you've got a second box. I can't quite read it, actually.
Oh, there's Curtis Lew in the second box. And then somebody else in the third box.
And then a fourth box, back to Zoran Mamdani,

Speaker 30 and then back to Curtis. And then Eric Adams is there in the top row.
You have to go down to the second row where the first three boxes are blank. And then you get to

Speaker 30 another box,

Speaker 30 Jim Walden, and then there's Andrew Cuomo finally in the one, two, three, four, five, six, seventh, eighth slot on there, second row, and then Joseph Hernandez.

Speaker 30 So just the way this is set up, two opportunities to vote for Mom Donnie, two for Curtis Lewa, one for Andrew Cuomo on the second row over far to the right.

Speaker 32 Yeah, and that really matters. I mean, it's easy to say that that's nitpicky or whatever.
Will that really make a difference, you know, where the names show up on the ballot? But it does matter.

Speaker 32 And it especially matters in New York City, whereas we just established, like a huge number of the voters are foreigners or weren't born in this country. A lot of them don't even really speak English.

Speaker 32 A large number of them probably have never voted in an American election before. And so, you know, they're going to go in there and it's very confusing to sort your way through it.

Speaker 32 And, you know, it's like the deck is stacked in his favor. Although I will say that I think no matter how the ballot

Speaker 32 is presented, I think that Zorah Mamdani will still probably win for all the reasons that we talked about. By the way, I also just want to say that,

Speaker 32 because I've thought a lot about this, I think we all have about this kind of weird alliance that there is between the far left and Islam.

Speaker 32 How does this work?

Speaker 32 Why do you have the far left trying to import

Speaker 32 the Islamic world into this country, considering that they ideologically would not seem to have a whole lot in common?

Speaker 32 But the answer to that, you know, this, it's kind of the common enemy thing, enemy of

Speaker 32 my enemy. The answer is that the people that bring it in, like Zolhar and Mamdani, the one thing they have in common is that they hate white Americans.

Speaker 32 They hate America generally, and they're anti-Christian.

Speaker 32 And so that's what the left has in common with them. And, you know, I think that.
That's so true, Matt.

Speaker 30 It's a very good observation.

Speaker 30 You mentioned how he raised at the debate, Mom Donnie did, the fact, what mosques have you been to to Andrew Cuomo?

Speaker 30 And then, of course, Andrew Cuomo on brand blew it and didn't turn to him and say, what are you talking? None, none. That's not a priority for me.

Speaker 30 I'll be a mayor for everyone, but I don't need in New York City to visit a mosque to know how to run this city well.

Speaker 30 By the way, the biggest issue that most New Yorkers have after affordability is the fact that there's garbage everywhere, all over the streets, and the sanitation is a mess both in the summer and the winter.

Speaker 30 You got rats running up and down the streets, and you can't get any streets plowed during the winter because they don't know how to manage their budgets. So,

Speaker 30 no one gives a shit what mosques the future mayor has visited, but that's Mom Dalani's push. And in the days, you mentioned on his closing messages about Islamophobia, and then he drops this ad

Speaker 30 in Arabic. Watch.

Speaker 35 Still a morbid November.

Speaker 30 Highly voting team.

Speaker 33 Elections.

Speaker 30 This is unbelievable. This is for mayor of New York City, Matt.
We're not talking about he's not in Uganda anymore. And that

Speaker 30 he's leaning in. You know, it's not like he's trying to hide his plans.

Speaker 30 Linda Sarsour is his big like mentor who's she got kicked out of the women's march organization because they found her to be like far anti-Semitic.

Speaker 30 And she's like, we're going to be keeping an eye on him and he better do what he said.

Speaker 30 She doesn't, she wants him to disband this special police group that breaks up these over-the-top leftist marches. She's like, he better do it.
I mean, this, he is leaning in.

Speaker 30 And I mean, we, you mentioned the guy in, um, you mentioned Dearborn, Michigan. Now we've got Omar Fateh in Minneapolis, Minnesota, who's also potentially going to win.

Speaker 30 And this is the beginning of a trend. I mean, it's one thing to go socialist.
To me, it's a very different thing to go Islamist.

Speaker 32 Yeah.

Speaker 32 You know, Omar Fateh is probably going to become the next mayor of Minneapolis from Somalia. And it's a similar situation in that he has campaigned in a foreign language, basically.

Speaker 32 You look at some of these, you look at the footage from Omar Fateh's rallies, and you honestly, if you didn't have any context, you would have no clue that this

Speaker 32 was happening in America.

Speaker 32 You would absolutely know if somebody woke up from a coma, and they've been in a coma for the last 15 years and you showed them an Omar Fateh rally, they would be shocked if you told them that this was happening.

Speaker 32 If you just showed it to them and say, well, where do you think this happened? They would say, oh, well, Mogadishu, obviously. And then if you said, this is Minneapolis,

Speaker 32 they would be shocked. And this is why, by the way, I think,

Speaker 32 you know, I'm a believer that laws sometimes can help. You know, we should pass laws sometimes,

Speaker 32 not to solve every problem, but some problems. And

Speaker 32 here's one where maybe we should have a law which says that if you are a political candidate, if a politician or a candidate in this country,

Speaker 32 you must campaign in English.

Speaker 32 Like it's actually, in my mind, should not be legal for a political candidate in America to release an ad or to do a campaign event in another language because we speak English in this country and every voter in your district or in your city or in your state should be in America.

Speaker 32 We should all be able to understand what you're saying.

Speaker 32 There should never be an occasion where I, as a voter, if I'm in one of these cities and I speak English because this is America, where I can't understand what you're saying in an ad.

Speaker 32 Yeah, you might put subtitles up, but I don't actually know what you're saying. And this is America.
I should be able to understand you. And I think that's really basic.

Speaker 32 And this is the kind of law that, you know, 20 years ago, it's like you never thought it would even be necessary.

Speaker 32 But I think it is now. And this is just like really basic stuff.

Speaker 30 This Omar Fateh, the guy running for mayor against Jacob Fry, who's also terrible in Minneapolis, he, you mentioned, you know, if you wake up at a time castle and see this, you'd think you were in Somalia.

Speaker 30 And here is a bit of that. I mean, it's really kind of remarkable, waving the Somali flag.
Watch, we pulled a sound bite of it.

Speaker 36 Somalia!

Speaker 10 Hiran State!

Speaker 30 Ma'awisleh! Ma'awisleh! Early voting wai hada ila November 4.

Speaker 30 I need your vote.

Speaker 30 What is this? Is this America or is this Somalia? You love Somalia so much. Go home.
It's just like Ilan Omar.

Speaker 30 They're coming over here. And as Trump would say, they're not bringing their best.
I saw you propose on your show recently that

Speaker 30 there should be a rule that if we look past

Speaker 30 10 years or so, go look back, and there's some country that's sending a bunch of their citizens over here. And more than 10% of those folks are on the public dole.

Speaker 30 No more immigrants from those countries. Like, stay home.

Speaker 32 Yeah, I call that,

Speaker 32 you could kind of set the threshold wherever you want. It's a little bit arbitrary, but let's just call it the 10-10 rule.

Speaker 32 And if 10% of the immigrants from a certain country, first or second generation, are on the public dole or on food stamps or on a welfare program, then we cut off immigration from that country for 10 years.

Speaker 32 And I think it's actually pretty generous. It's a high threshold.
I mean, you could certainly argue for setting it at 5% or even 1% and then making the, you know, and then...

Speaker 32 the time when we shut off immigration could be 50 years rather than 10. But so I'm being very reasonable, very generous, setting it there.

Speaker 32 I think, hey, we do, we do currently, and for a little bit longer, we have this window now where we actually do, as conservatives, as Republicans, we control Congress and the White House.

Speaker 32 And so, hey, I mean, like, maybe someone could pick up this mantle and run with it.

Speaker 32 And when it comes to Somalis in particular, you know,

Speaker 32 And I don't know what the exact numbers are, how many Somali immigrants are on welfare. I'm sure that it's much higher than 10%.
It's much

Speaker 32 higher.

Speaker 32 But someone could look up the numbers. And it raises this question about, and I, and I've been asking this, because I'm a simple man.
I ask simple questions. It's kind of my thing.

Speaker 32 So I would really like someone to explain, why are we

Speaker 32 importing Somalis into this country at all?

Speaker 32 Why are we doing that?

Speaker 30 How is that good for us?

Speaker 32 We've imported a lot of them to the point where now they're basically taking over a once great American city right in our heartland, you know, Minneapolis.

Speaker 32 And why are we doing that? How does that benefit America?

Speaker 32 I would just like someone, I'd like someone who agrees with this to explain to me how it benefits America to import Somalis, because when you look at Somalia, and this is why it's so funny that the Somalis come here, like Ilhan Amar, like you say, and then express all this pride in their country, well, their country is a hellhole.

Speaker 32 I mean, it's a failed state.

Speaker 32 It is an absolute disaster zone. That's why they come here in the first place.
And then what do you find? Well,

Speaker 32 when you take people from a failed state a a a total catastrophe um totally dysfunctional you take people from a dysfunction an absolutely dysfunctional region of the world and you bring them here what do you find well you find dysfunction here you've imported the dysfunction here

Speaker 32 and so why are we doing that how does that benefit us And whenever I ask this question, mostly it's ignored, but if anyone attempts to answer it, they always give answers about how it benefits Somalia.

Speaker 32 They always tell me that, well, it's nice for Somalis that they're able to come here. Do you really want to tell them that they can't come here? Wouldn't that be mean? Isn't that cruel?

Speaker 32 Well, that's not what I asked, though. I said, how does it benefit us? What does it do for me? What does it do for you?

Speaker 32 What does it do for your family sitting around the dinner table wherever you live to import Somalis into this country? And if the answer is it doesn't benefit us at all,

Speaker 32 well, then I think that we shouldn't need the 1010 rule. That's enough reason right there to just cut off that spigot entirely

Speaker 32 because we should be having policies in this country that benefit our country first and foremost.

Speaker 30 If we don't do that, we're going to be London. We're going to wind up like Germany.

Speaker 30 We're going to have the same problems that they're having now with their cities, their most beloved cities being overrun by Islamists whose values are completely antithetical to those of the West.

Speaker 30 I mean, that's, you tell me, Matt, what is the solution to preventing our great American cities from falling in the way we've seen London fall, where there are calls to take down the British flag now because it's triggering to all the Islamists.

Speaker 32 Well, the only solution is what we've talked about is you have to cut it off. You have to cut off the spigot.
You have to just turn it off. And

Speaker 32 we have to greatly raise the bar for who we allow to come into this country. We have to have some real pride in our country.

Speaker 32 The way that these immigrants have apparently have pride in their homeland and they wave the flag and they talk about how great their country is.

Speaker 32 And in a certain way, I want to say, like in a certain way,

Speaker 32 I admire that part. Like I admire if you're a patriot for your home country and if you can love your country, even if it's a total cesspool, even if it's just an absolute hellhole, you still love it.

Speaker 32 I admire that. Like that's loyalty to your country.
I admire it. Now,

Speaker 32 so I think you should go home and have that kind of loyalty for your country. In fact, if you love it so much, then go home and try to fix it.
And that's the other thing, too.

Speaker 32 I know this is a little bit sidetracked, but

Speaker 32 if we're being told that oh well you know we're importing somalis but we're importing the best ones we're importing the best somalis well i i don't know that there's any evidence of that and i don't know what qualifies as the best somali but if we are then that's then if you really care about somalia i mean i don't but if you do then that's all the more reason to not bring them here send them back why are we importing ones let's let them let the best ones go back to their country and fix their country if they're so great i mean if they can contribute to our country if that's your claim they can help build our country i don't really see that they are but if they can well then what could they they could work wonders in their own home country.

Speaker 32 So for their own country's sake, you should send them back. But anyway,

Speaker 32 you know, having patriotism for your homeland,

Speaker 32 I support that. I think every person,

Speaker 32 every person should love their country. And so we should love ours and we should have pride in it.
And we should have an attitude that says, look, coming here is a privilege. You don't have any right.

Speaker 32 You have no right to come here. It's like the entire, there's 8 billion people in the world.
Do they all have a right to come here?

Speaker 32 It's impossible. We can't have them all.
So you don't, you don't have a right to it. It's a privilege.

Speaker 32 And so if we're going to let you come here, you got to prove to us that you have something to offer us.

Speaker 32 Yes, as Americans, right, we should have the attitude, be a little bit selfish as Americans, selfish for our country and say, what's in it for us?

Speaker 32 You know, when we bring in someone from Somalia or anywhere else or Uganda, what's in it for me? Why, why are we, what's in it for my family? Like my, my, my American family.

Speaker 32 We've, we've lived here our entire lives. My children were born here.
What's in it for them to bring you in here? That's my question. And that's the question we should all be asking.

Speaker 32 And when we have that attitude, then it becomes obvious. Okay, we just have to, it doesn't mean that we can never have another immigrant into this country ever again.
Now,

Speaker 32 I tend to think that there should be an immigration moratorium, that we should just shut it off for a period of time.

Speaker 35 We're at our limit.

Speaker 32 Right, we're at our limit, but eventually you're going to open it up again. And when you do that,

Speaker 32 I think we need to greatly raise the bar for who we allow in.

Speaker 30 Yeah. And I think the other part to this is we have to get honest again

Speaker 30 about what Islam is and what its tenets are and whether this is actually the profile of the future leaders we want in our American cities.

Speaker 30 I mean, just take an honest look at it and not be shamed by the made-up term Islamophobia.

Speaker 30 That is not a thing. You are allowed to criticize Islam.
There's absolutely no problem with it. It's a political doctrine as much as it is a, quote, religion.

Speaker 30 And it's absolutely subject to being criticized. And who cares if you get called an Islamophobe? I mean, that's whatever.
We've all been called worse. Okay, let's keep going.

Speaker 30 So, unfortunately,

Speaker 30 there's a war unfolding on the right amongst people you and I both love.

Speaker 30 And our pal Ben and our pal Tucker are not getting along. They haven't been getting along a long time.

Speaker 30 I saw a very interesting discussion you guys on the Daily Wire did about it with the whole crew there kind of talking about what was happening on the right and whether people needed to be excommunicated from the right.

Speaker 30 Well, this all exploded into the public forum even more over the past few days because last week Tucker hosted Nick Fuentes, who is, I mean, an open white nationalist. He said extremely racist things.

Speaker 30 It's kind of his bread and butter and anti-Semitic things. And not like the kind that's now the flavor for some, where it's like, if you say anything about Israel, you're considered an anti-Semite.

Speaker 30 Genuinely anti-Semitic thing. So he's questioned whether 6 six million Jews actually died in the Holocaust.
He's praised Hitler.

Speaker 30 He called, this is an anti-Semitic, but he called J.D. Vance's wife, Usha, a jeet, which I didn't even know what that was, but I know enough to know it's not a compliment.
Sounds like a racial slur.

Speaker 30 We could be here all day. Tucker put him on, I think, because Tucker puts on a lot of provocative people.

Speaker 30 He interviewed the president of Iran, he interviewed Vladimir Putin, he interviewed Andrew Tate. He's not afraid of like, quote, platforming people who are controversial.

Speaker 30 And also, Tucker and Nick Fuentes have been going at it themselves for quite some time. And I think he thought it might be interesting to just have them on and have it out, which he did.

Speaker 30 But then he came under fire by a lot of people for quote platforming, right? Which you're not allegedly allowed to do.

Speaker 30 And one of the reasons I don't like Nick Fuentes is because years ago I saw him play a little video game in a clip that was circulating on XMap

Speaker 30 in which a young man was running wearing a yarmulke and he was shooting this man in his video game, calling him Ben Shapiro. I mean, it was really vile stuff.

Speaker 32 So

Speaker 30 Chucker came under criticism because it wasn't a confrontational interview.

Speaker 30 It was more like a Joe Rogan approach, you know, where you just kind of ask the guy how he feels, what he stands for, what he doesn't. Here's a little bit of how it went.

Speaker 31 I mean, as far as the Jews are concerned, I think that, like I said, you cannot actually divorce Israel and the neocons and all those things that you talk about from Jewishness.

Speaker 31 There's a deep religious affection for the state. It's bound up in their identity, the story of the exodus from Egypt, the promise of the land, all these things.

Speaker 31 So let's say in the United States, for example, somebody like Ishelden Adelson, he's not Israeli. Is he an ideological neocon? Does he believe in the promise of democratic globalism?

Speaker 31 I don't think necessarily.

Speaker 35 His heart is in Israel.

Speaker 31 And it's because he is a proud Jewish person.

Speaker 31 And I guess what I'm saying is that if you are a Jewish person in America, you're sort of, and again, it's not because they're born, but it's sort of a rational self-interest politically to say,

Speaker 31 I'm a minority. I'm a religious ethnic minority.
This is not really my home. My ancestral home is in Israel.
There's like a natural affinity that Jews have for Israel.

Speaker 31 And I would say on top of that, for the international Jewish community.

Speaker 30 Sheldon Idelson, by by the way, is dead. He died in 2021, but was a big donor.
And his wife Miriam is now a big donor. Okay, so cue the internet pile on Tucker.
Like

Speaker 30 he's got to be excommunicated from the right because he hosted Nick Fuentes, which was a sin in the eyes of many.

Speaker 30 Kevin Roberts of the Heritage Foundation weighed in backing Tucker, saying we don't cancel people for platforming others.

Speaker 30 And then a lot of people said it doesn't matter. Like it's it's not about canceling Tucker.
It's about ostracizing him, you know, sort of cutting him out of polite conversation.

Speaker 30 And then yesterday, Ben, and Ben's been attacked by Tucker. Tucker's attacked Ben.
It's gone back and forth, back and forth. Ben did a whole show on this issue.

Speaker 30 And here's a little bit of how that sounded.

Speaker 36 Americans hate Nick Fuentes' philosophy. They think it's trash.
Republicans, by the polling, think it's trash. Independents think it's trash.
Democrats think it's trash. And here's the other thing.

Speaker 36 Americans hate Tucker Carlson's laundered anti-Americanism.

Speaker 36 If they get their way, they will hollow out the Republican Party, lead it to electoral catastrophe, and empty it and the country of any semblance of decency in the process. My answer is no.

Speaker 36 No to the Groipers. No to their publicists like Tucker Carlson.
No to those who champion them. No to demoralization.
No to bigotry and anti-meritocratic horseshit. No to anti-Americanism.
No.

Speaker 32 This is our country.

Speaker 31 This is our party.

Speaker 36 And this is our conservative movement. And I will not stand by while it is handed over to those who betray the most fundamental principles I have spent my entire life defending and advocating.

Speaker 36 That is a path to defeat and a path to moral oblivion. I reject it because if we lose the right, we will lose to the left.
And either way, we'll lose the country.

Speaker 30 Okay, just quick programming note. Tomorrow, we have Tucker Carlson on our next leg of my tour.

Speaker 30 And the night after that, we have Ben Shapiro, which is something I pride myself on, being a show where both of those guys could come and trying to do as little as possible to divide the right, which I think is a force for good in this world, unlike the left.

Speaker 30 However,

Speaker 30 this controversy is front and center and virtually every right-wing website there is, Matt, and you're right in the middle of it, as am I in a way, both of us. So how are you looking at this?

Speaker 32 Yeah, look, there's a few things here. And I do find myself, and I know that you've caught plenty of flack also in a similar way, being sort of in the middle of this.
And it's,

Speaker 32 you know, look, both of those guys, Ben Shapiro and Tucker Carlson, they're both friends of mine, as I know they are you, Megan. And

Speaker 32 so when I, and I get this, this,

Speaker 32 people on both sides that are constantly screaming in my ear, and it's been this way for a long time, but in particular over the last couple of weeks, and in particular over the last like 24 hours,

Speaker 32 demanding that I disavow, you know, disavow, denounce one or the other of those guys.

Speaker 32 And

Speaker 32 I'm just not going to do that. It's just not ever going to happen.
I mean, not ever. It's not ever going to happen.
And

Speaker 32 is that because

Speaker 32 I agree with everything that either one of them say? No. I mean, we don't have to agree on everything at all.

Speaker 32 We can have disagreements. We should have disagreements.
As you pointed out, Megan, we've talked about some of this stuff at the Daily Wire, talked about it with Ben.

Speaker 32 We've had these like debates in the open. So yeah, we can have disagreements.
But when it comes to disavow, condemn, denounce, that's an entirely different thing.

Speaker 32 And I'm not going to do that because I don't do that to my friends. And I mean, it really is that simple.
And you can either respect that or not. I don't really care.
But

Speaker 32 loyalty. is a principle that is incredibly deeply important to me.
And so when I hear the response, oh, but you need to stand on principle. Well, loyalty is a principle.

Speaker 32 And to me, it's as a man, it's one of the most important principles that you can hold. As a human being, it's one of the most important principles.
And so if there's someone

Speaker 32 who I know in person, like this is not all just on Twitter. This is not, we're not just talking heads,

Speaker 32 you know, talking to cameras. We're also like people and we have actually have lives outside of all of this stuff.

Speaker 32 And so if there's someone who I actually know and I've sat down and had dinner with them, I've sat at their dinner table, I have their phone number, I can call them.

Speaker 32 You know, if I have a disagreement, I can call them privately and I can tell them and we can hash it out. Someone like, someone who's supported me, someone who, you know, someone like that,

Speaker 32 the idea that I would stand in public and condemn and denounce and disavow is just totally anathema to me.

Speaker 32 I cannot do it. I won't ever do it.

Speaker 32 Not to someone who's a friend.

Speaker 32 I just, I won't. And when someone does that to me, as has happened, I consider it to be just unforgivable treachery

Speaker 32 that you, and I've had this happen to me where I say something and, you know,

Speaker 32 sure, people can disagree with it.

Speaker 32 I say a lot of things people can disagree with, but I'll have someone who I know personally and they have my phone number and they could just call me, but instead I go on Twitter and I see that they've issued this like denunciation.

Speaker 32 And it's like, dude, I just saw you a week ago.

Speaker 32 What's going on here?

Speaker 32 I consider that to be just treacherous. And I'm not going to do that to anybody else.
I will just never.

Speaker 32 Yeah.

Speaker 32 That's the first thing. And the second thing, also, and I've one of the reasons why I'm catching a lot of shit is that my stance has been

Speaker 32 that I want to focus our fire metaphorically on the left, that we are dealing with people who truly,

Speaker 32 truly want us dead.

Speaker 32 And

Speaker 32 they just killed

Speaker 32 my friend, your friend, Megan, and Charlie. And they spent a month, they spent two months.
They're still celebrating it, like dancing on his grave.

Speaker 32 And so that's what we're dealing with. And

Speaker 32 that's where I want to focus. I mean, I think about, I think it was a day after Charlie was killed,

Speaker 32 I put out a tweet where I said this, where I said,

Speaker 32 you know, that,

Speaker 32 look, I'm not focused. I know there are a lot of disputes and debates on the right, and I'm not saying that they're totally unimportant, but I want to put that all off to a different day.

Speaker 32 And right now, you know, it's very clear who the enemies are, and they are the people who are trying to kill us and want us to. And I want to focus on that.

Speaker 32 And I said that a day after Charlie was killed. And the response I got was wide agreement.
I mean, there were a few people that

Speaker 32 were upset about it, you know, conservatives, but it was almost like 98% approval to that sentiment a day after Charlie was killed. The tweet got like 150,000 likes or something like that.

Speaker 32 Well, I said the exact same thing only a month later, just the exact same sentiment, almost verbatim, certainly the same idea. And the reaction was 180 degrees the opposite, where

Speaker 32 rather than wide agreement,

Speaker 32 it was everybody screaming at me on both sides. Well, how dare you say that?

Speaker 32 How could you, assuming that I'm taking someone's side or the other side by saying that? And it's like, it's only a month later. I mean, have we already,

Speaker 32 this time of unity lasted for four weeks, really?

Speaker 32 And we just can't afford this right now. I mean, they just killed Charlie Kirk, one of our most important leaders on the right, and he's gone now.

Speaker 32 And do we really want to let them win?

Speaker 32 Do we really want to tell the left that, hey, it worked because you took out one of our most important leaders and now we're going to spend the next however many months or years eating each other alive?

Speaker 32 No, we can't do that. We can't afford that.

Speaker 32 And so that's where I want our energy to be focused on these people who, again, like really, truly want us dead. Here's what I know.

Speaker 32 Here's what I know for sure. There are plenty of conservatives who don't like me.
They've made that clear. And that's fine.

Speaker 32 And there are a lot of people on the left who don't like me. None of them do.

Speaker 32 But what I know for sure, and this is what makes it really clear for me, this is the clarifying thing for me. What I know

Speaker 32 is that if I walk outside of my house tomorrow, and I get shot and killed,

Speaker 32 which I'm not saying is likely to happen, it could happen. I mean, but you know, it could happen anyway.

Speaker 32 If that were to happen,

Speaker 32 I don't think any conservative would be celebrating that. I don't think any of them would.
I think even the ones who have an issue with me would not be celebrating it. They would be mourning.

Speaker 32 But what I know for sure is that

Speaker 32 99.9%

Speaker 32 of the left

Speaker 32 would not be able to contain their glee. Okay.
They would piss on my grave and laugh in the faces of my grieving wife and my and my six children. That's what they would do.
And we all know it.

Speaker 32 Okay, so it's really easy for me to look at that dynamic and look at those people over there who are just waiting for an opportunity to laugh at my children who just lost their father.

Speaker 32 It's easy for me to look at them and say, okay, well, that's the enemy. And those are the people that I'm going to oppose with every breath in my body while I still have breath.
Okay, that's it.

Speaker 32 That's the fight. And that's where I am just going to stay focused.
And I don't care, people can be mad about it all they want, but that's where my focus is going to stay.

Speaker 32 I think it's where all of our focus should be.

Speaker 30 I love everything you said. I totally endorse and agree with all of it, Matt.
It's been so frustrating.

Speaker 30 And I've been thinking about, there's this young podcaster who's just starting out, female, and she got attacked recently. And I sent her a text saying, here's what you need to know.

Speaker 30 The right will attack you, but it'll be temporary and fleeting and they'll move on. And when the chips are down, they'll have your back.
They will have your back.

Speaker 30 The left will attack you and will actually want you dead. They will want you destroyed and or dead.

Speaker 30 So it's like we have intra, you know, squabbles over on the right, but when push comes to shove, we tend to back each other. You know, and I was talking about this, I think, recently with Ben even.

Speaker 30 You know, you and I, we've had dust ups around like women, that kind of thing. But you've always had my back on the big picture and I have yours too.

Speaker 30 And same with Tucker and Ben with respect to you and with respect to me. Those two really don't like each other for other reasons.

Speaker 30 But it's to me, it's so sad to see like the right on right violence, you know, rhetorical violence, because we need each other. Those two are both huge powerhouses.

Speaker 30 And, you know, we don't want a house divided when we're fighting the true enemy, which is these radical leftists. And I think what they're really fighting over is Israel.

Speaker 30 When you boil it down, they're fighting over Israel. I know people call Tucker an anti-Semite.
I genuinely don't believe that. He's gotten very critical of Israel and he's allowed to have those views.

Speaker 30 And Ben is very defensive of Israel. He'll criticize Israel too, but as a general matter, he's defensive of Israel.
And I just feel like, how are we letting that issue? Yes, it does relate to America.

Speaker 30 Yes, right now it's very much in the news. But it's like such a small percentage.
of what we need to be worrying about. Like when you look back, you zoom out at America and its problems.

Speaker 30 This is not, this is not even in the top three.

Speaker 30 And yet we're spending so much energy on it, more than I think is warranted.

Speaker 30 And I think you and I, in particular, may be feeling that because your show, like mine, does not really focus that much on foreign policy.

Speaker 30 We're worried mostly about America, about politics in America, about culture wars in America. We don't get neck deep into like exactly how the IDF is fighting its foreign wars, you know?

Speaker 30 And so it's extremely frustrating for people like you and me to

Speaker 30 when people try to drag us, kicking and screaming, into some very complex, long-standing battle about a foreign country that we're really not covering day to day.

Speaker 32 Yeah, and I, look, I've, I have been, there are things I've changed my mind about, and that's part of being a person, part of being a human being and having a brain is to change your mind on stuff.

Speaker 32 And my views have evolved on certain things over the years. But I think for the most part, I have been, you know, very consistent.

Speaker 32 uh on on most things and uh if anything that if you want to criticize me you should criticize me on that end. Like if anything, I'm too stubborn and unwilling to change my views on things.

Speaker 32 And the more that you scream at me to change my view, then the more likely I am to just hold on to that view sometimes out of spite. I'll admit that I do that sometimes.
That's just how I'm wired.

Speaker 32 All that to say, when it comes to Israel,

Speaker 32 my position on this has been

Speaker 32 always been the same. I mean, you could go back.
You could go back to the days when I had a blog that hardly anyone read back in like 2013.

Speaker 32 And

Speaker 32 you'll find the same sentiment. And the sentiment is this: I don't care.
Like, I just don't care about this foreign country.

Speaker 32 I really don't.

Speaker 32 And that's why the other thing, if you go back and you go check my record, what have I said about Israel? Well, you'll find is that I've said very little about it. That's the other thing.

Speaker 32 I very rarely talk about it. You know, I had a blog that I ran independently for two years.
I didn't work for anybody.

Speaker 32 And I had, I think, one post about it, just one of hundreds, just one time, one time. And

Speaker 32 it's always been that. No matter where I've worked, no matter if I worked for myself or anyone else, I rarely have ever talked about it.
And the reason is

Speaker 32 that I just don't care. And

Speaker 32 it doesn't mean that you can't care, right? It doesn't mean that other people can't care.

Speaker 32 It doesn't even mean that it's not important, you know, sort of objectively. It's just not important to me.
It's not what I focus on. I don't focus on foreign countries.

Speaker 32 It's not what I'm worried about. I'm worried about America and American culture.
And that is really, truly my view. And it always has been.

Speaker 32 And

Speaker 32 I agree that

Speaker 32 for this to be like the central issue that's ripping us apart, that just makes the whole thing even harder to swallow.

Speaker 32 Because I don't want us to be ripped apart over anything for the reasons I just stated, but especially over this of all things. Because look,

Speaker 32 no matter what's going on with Israel,

Speaker 32 most of

Speaker 32 the problems that we have in our country and in our communities, the problems that really affect you and affect your family and your children, those would all be the same regardless. And so

Speaker 32 that's why I'm focused on that. And

Speaker 32 that's it. I mean, that is really just the truth.
And the other thing that's frustrating is that

Speaker 32 because every time I say that, it's like, well, you're just saying that because, and I get it from both sides. It's a, well, you're just saying that because you worked for Ben Shapiro

Speaker 32 or from the other side. You're just saying that because you're trying to appease the anti-Semites.
It's like, have you ever considered that I might be saying it just because it's what I think?

Speaker 32 I mean, I might just actually be what I think. And I'd love to be, to get to a point in this country where we can have conversations where you just like,

Speaker 32 you take someone's argument and you engage with it rather than trying to read their mind and figure out what really motivates it. Because to me, that's like 90% now of political debate.

Speaker 32 This is why debates are totally fruitless is that 90 of it is this where someone doesn't respond to the argument instead they say well you're really saying that because

Speaker 32 no okay you can't read my mind okay

Speaker 32 and why don't you just just take what i said take the argument itself let's talk about that let's engage with that um

Speaker 32 Not everything is like a conspiracy.

Speaker 32 Sometimes people really just give their opinion about something. And that is my opinion.
And it has been my opinion literally for as long as I've had any kind of platform at all.

Speaker 30 Yes. And the other point is, we have to take a break, but we're coming back with Matt.
But the other point is, you, Matt Walsh, are responsible for what you, Matt Walsh, say.

Speaker 30 I am responsible for what I say. Neither one of us is responsible for Ben or Tucker.

Speaker 30 And I think I speak for us both when I say, and we will not let you shame us into adopting, defending, or whatever anyone else's words. We're responsible for our shows and the content thereon.

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Speaker 30 Here with me today, Matt Walsh. He's host of the Daily Wire's Matt Walsh show

Speaker 30 and really, probably the best person in the United States when it comes to the trans issue and has made the biggest difference in the United States. He's our J.K.

Speaker 30 Rowling in many ways, who was calling out this bullshit ahead of its time.

Speaker 30 Matt, there's more in the news on this front. And

Speaker 30 it was a great post by this woman who was going to the Gold's Gym in California. Her name is Tish Hyman.
She says she's a lesbian.

Speaker 30 So she's not anti-LGBTQ. That's her point.
But she went to the Gold's Gym in Los Angeles over the weekend, I think this was, the video posted yesterday.

Speaker 30 And she got kicked out because she objected to a man,

Speaker 30 I would say posing as a woman, but I mean just barely.

Speaker 30 He's making very little effort

Speaker 30 at the gym using the women's locker room and bathroom. And she was naked and he was in there staring at her.
And they asked her to leave when she complained. Here's first,

Speaker 30 here she is in the Gold's Gym getting kicked out and complaining. I think that's that one, Tish Hyman.

Speaker 43 Men, grown men with big dicks in the women's locker room. And that's why I'm getting kicked out.
And I want to make sure the girls know.

Speaker 43 What the fuck?

Speaker 43 Everybody saw that man in the fucking locker room. No one's saying shit.

Speaker 43 And I'm fucking done with it.

Speaker 43 It's fucking stupid.

Speaker 43 It's dangerous.

Speaker 43 Me naked in front of a man without my permission. But I'm the one who can't take out the gym now.

Speaker 43 I'm terminated for not wanting men in the locker room.

Speaker 30 She was understandably upset. And then I don't know if it was Tish or somebody else, but somebody filmed Tish confronting the man right outside of the women's room moments later.
Watch.

Speaker 30 I think it was moments later or moments before, but right now.

Speaker 37 Where are you?

Speaker 44 Did you tell me or not that women like to see dudes?

Speaker 35 Exactly. Exactly.

Speaker 35 Stay out of the right now.

Speaker 46 No.

Speaker 44 Now he knows how to be a man, right? Now he knows how to be a man.

Speaker 46 Stay out of the women's locker room.

Speaker 46 We don't want it.

Speaker 46 He needs to have his gym membership evoked with that shit.

Speaker 46 And the woman told you. He assaulted

Speaker 46 yourself. The girl told already.
We have already five reports.

Speaker 46 No. No.

Speaker 35 That's done.

Speaker 44 You can't get rid of me for this. I'm a woman, and I have every right to not want a man in the restroom when I'm naked.

Speaker 30 Now the man's walking into the women's locker.

Speaker 44 Look at him walking in there like it's okay.

Speaker 46 It's not okay.

Speaker 35 I understand.

Speaker 30 Matt, the reason this is happening is because the state law requires it.

Speaker 30 Much as I'd love to blame Gold's gym, Gavin Newsom and his pals have made it state law that every, every facility, public or private, has to allow this. It's insane.
It's deeply wrong.

Speaker 30 And the voters of California don't seem to give a damn. Your thoughts?

Speaker 32 Yeah,

Speaker 32 I do blame Gold's Jim also, though, because, yeah, we blame the law, blame Gavin Newsom, certainly.

Speaker 32 But also, I mean, you're a business owner in that state. You're a business in that state.
You just, you can't allow this. You cannot allow, you cannot put women in this position,

Speaker 32 children in this position. You just, you can't allow it.
And

Speaker 32 so, you know, if I'm if I'm a business in that state, I'm just not going to allow it. And then you kind of dare the state to what are they going to do? You're going to shut me down? Well, go ahead.

Speaker 32 Let's have that fight. I know kind of the easier said, but there are times in life where you have to draw a line, and this is like clearly, clearly one of them.

Speaker 32 I'll also say, though, that

Speaker 32 the reaction from

Speaker 32 that woman is

Speaker 32 exactly correct. And this is how everybody should react.

Speaker 32 And I think that, I think if everyone had reacted that way from the very beginning when this madness first sort of started in earnest, like 10 years ago,

Speaker 32 then it would have been shut down very quickly. Because like usually, I'm not, I don't agree with like making scenes in public, but there are times when that's called for.

Speaker 32 And you go into a locker room and there's a man in there. It's a women's locker room.
That should be a scene. I mean, you should be, that's how a normal person reacts.

Speaker 11 This is totally unacceptable.

Speaker 32 That's completely wrong. And I'm not going to take, I'm not going to go along with it to be polite or whatever.
And

Speaker 32 that's too many people who are willing to do that for too long. That's how we ended up in this position to begin with.
So I think she deserves a lot of credit for that.

Speaker 30 Somebody posted it online yesterday, not all heroes wear capes. That's how I felt too when I watched Tish come out there.
She posted a follow-up, just her on cam after it all went down. And

Speaker 30 you could feel that she

Speaker 30 was somewhat traumatic. The whole thing was traumatic for her.
Here's a bit of that in Sat 2.

Speaker 45 I just had the worst experience ever at the gym, at Gold's gym. Today I was naked in the locker room.

Speaker 45 I turn around and there's a man there in boyish, like boy clothes, lip gloss, standing there looking at me. I'm butt naked.

Speaker 3 So the first thing I think is maybe there's a workdoor in here.

Speaker 45 Maybe I missed the sign. I say the word, sir, to say, sir, what are you doing in here? He goes, don't fucking talk to me.
I'm a woman. I have a right to be in here.

Speaker 45 Immediately, I'm fucking pissed because I'm butt naked. I feel violated.
And then I talk to the people that work at Go's Gym and they don't really have anything to do.

Speaker 45 They just like, oh, we can file a report about it, incident report.

Speaker 45 What the fuck is going on? I'm a lesbian. I've been a lesbian my whole life.
I treat people I want to be treated regardless of whatever their sexual orientation is or whatever they decide.

Speaker 45 So I'm not transphobic and I'm not homophobic. I'm not stratiphobic.
I'm not racist.

Speaker 44 None of these things.

Speaker 45 Why do you guys think it's okay for men to be in the women's restroom?

Speaker 30 You know, Matt, Gavin Newsom follows me on X,

Speaker 30 and I tweeted that out, and I tagged him saying, help her.

Speaker 30 Help her.

Speaker 32 He won't.

Speaker 30 He has absolutely no courage on this front. And while he talked a good game with our pal Charlie, when he had him on about how it's unfair to have men in women's sports,

Speaker 30 he later just said, oh, it's just such a complicated issue, so confusing,

Speaker 30 and threw up his hands. He's not going to help Tish.
He's not going to help girls dealing with boys in his sport.

Speaker 30 And it's really going to come down to President Trump and just how intrusive he can be on these states that insist on fostering this harassment.

Speaker 32 Right. And it should be, I mean, this is a place for federal law.
There should be, there can be laws passed on the federal level because

Speaker 32 this is not a state's rights thing.

Speaker 32 This is a human rights thing.

Speaker 32 This is a human right. This is an infringement on your rights as a human being,

Speaker 32 as a woman, to just like a basic level of privacy and safety and security when you're in your most vulnerable state in the locker room.

Speaker 32 Yeah, you do have a right to that, and that is being infringed upon. And so it is a federal issue.

Speaker 32 And I will say that Tish, she asked that question: well, how is she saying, well, how could anyone think that this is right?

Speaker 32 And the answer to the question is that no one thinks it's right.

Speaker 32 I mean, no human, almost none, but aside from the actual trans activists themselves, and even some of them, I don't even think it's right, but everybody else, like no one else thinks it's right.

Speaker 32 Gavin Newsom does not think that that's right.

Speaker 32 There's no way that Gavin Newsom could look at that situation and come to the conclusion that the woman who is objecting to the man in the locker room is in the wrong. He doesn't actually think that.

Speaker 32 He knows that that's. totally crazy.

Speaker 32 And that is why Democrats have, especially over the last couple of years, for the most part, have run as far as they can, as fast as they can from this issue.

Speaker 32 I mean, Kamala Harris went through her entire abbreviated campaign and barely ever talked about it.

Speaker 32 She only talked about the trans issue when she was absolutely forced to, and then she jumped off of it as fast as she could. It wasn't like that five years ago.

Speaker 32 Now, five years ago, Democrat politicians,

Speaker 32 you couldn't stop them from running out in front of any camera they could find and talking about trans rights and trans women are women and all this kind of stuff.

Speaker 32 Because for a very brief moment in time, for a very brief moment in time, it seemed like that. It seemed like that was the popular position, although it never was.

Speaker 32 But now, you know, the culture is just entirely against them and they know it.

Speaker 30 And so

Speaker 30 What is a woman by Matt Walsh and the Daily Wire, which really was a game changer.

Speaker 30 It just completely changed the conversation by calling out the insanity and questioning the proponents of it in a very fair, matter-of-fact way. They were humiliated,

Speaker 30 but there are still hangers on. Okay, last but not least, on this same same front, in California, there is a women's soccer team.
It's part of the National Women's Soccer League.

Speaker 30 It's Angel City, and it has at least one obvious man who, I guess, says he's intersex.

Speaker 30 It's another one of those boxing situations like we had with that boxer.

Speaker 32 This is him.

Speaker 30 He, quote, identifies as female and is reportedly intersex, meaning may have female genitalia on the outside, outside, but has XY chromosomes and is developing as a male post-puberty.

Speaker 30 And this is, I haven't obviously seen any direct tests, but this is what's been reported about this person.

Speaker 30 And a woman on the team named Elizabeth Eddy wrote a very thoughtful op-ed in the New York Post saying,

Speaker 32 look,

Speaker 30 our league has gotten very big, but there's a real question, how do we preserve women's rights and competitive fairness when we're fostering, while still fostering meaningful inclusion?

Speaker 30 And she said, what we really need in our sport is clear eligibility processes and policies. The uncertainty is serving no one.

Speaker 30 And in particular, we've got questions and controversy over intersex and transgender athletes saying our league has to adopt a clear standard. One is that all players have to be born with ovaries.

Speaker 30 Another is that there should be a gene test.

Speaker 30 like those that the World Athletics and World Boxing have now implemented, where when you go for your annual physical and you get a blood test looking at cholesterol, they would include a test checking your chromosomes or a non-invasive cheek swab, which is how they do it in a lot of other sports to make sure that, in fact, you have XX chromosomes playing in the women's league.

Speaker 30 And then she finishes it by saying, Look, I don't have all the answers, but I do know we're all in this together. It'll take time, space, and creativity to cooperate as we move forward.

Speaker 30 The New York Post ran the piece with a picture of one player who's been questioned over whether this person is trans or intersex, and I guess won't publicly say and wouldn't publicly test.

Speaker 30 And that person happens to be black. So that's relevant because now the blowback that this one writer, Elizabeth Eddy, got for writing her op-ed includes that she's somehow racist.

Speaker 30 She didn't pick the photo, but this is one of the players whose, she plays, this player plays for the Orlando Pride.

Speaker 30 And this player, according to the Zambia Football Association, quote, did not meet the criteria for gender verification, which seems to be a nice way of saying this person did not test female.

Speaker 30 In any event, here are fellow players from Elizabeth Eddy's

Speaker 30 Angel Cities League piling on her.

Speaker 30 This is Angel City Sarah Gordon's response to the Eddie article, SOT 3B.

Speaker 47 That article does not speak for this team in this locker room.

Speaker 47 I've had a lot of combos with my teammates in the past few days, and they are hurt, and they are harmed by the article, and also they are disgusted by some of the things that were said in the article.

Speaker 47 Mostly, the undertones come across as transphobic and racist as well.

Speaker 47 The article calls for genetic testing on certain players, and it has a photo of an African player as a headline, and that's very harmful.

Speaker 47 And to me, it's inherently racist because to single out this community based on them looking or being different

Speaker 47 is absolutely a problem.

Speaker 47 And as a mixed woman with a Belak Ak family, I'm devastated by the undertones of this article.

Speaker 30 Amazing. Your thoughts, Matt?

Speaker 32 Where do you even start? Look,

Speaker 32 I'll tell you one thought that comes immediately to mind is kind of bringing this all full circle to something we talked about earlier in the hour, the conservative Civil War.

Speaker 32 Well, this again kind of shows,

Speaker 32 it's another example that shows who the real enemies are and what we're actually fighting.

Speaker 32 Because this is pure, like, this is pure madness, just total, absolute lunacy using charges of racism and quote unquote transphobia, which is not a thing at all,

Speaker 32 to try to get people to ignore like biological reality, just

Speaker 32 what is actually real, a total rejection, it's a total rejection of reality itself.

Speaker 32 and using this emotional blackmail to get people to go along with it, very much to their own detriment, the detriment of their families and their children. That's what the left is doing.

Speaker 32 And there really is no analog to that on the right. There is no analogous position to like, you know, men are women.

Speaker 32 That is a total rejection, as I said, of reality itself.

Speaker 32 It is unique to the left. And this is what we're fighting.
I mean,

Speaker 32 that's my first thought.

Speaker 30 It's genuinely dangerous, both to those women and to young girls coming up the ranks in soccer. Hello, like my daughter behind them.
Matt Walsh, great conversation. Thanks so much for being here.

Speaker 32 Thanks, Megan. Appreciate it.

Speaker 30 See you soon. Wow.
Covered it all there.

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Speaker 30 All right, we've got something very interesting to start with today.

Speaker 30 The case against James Comey just got a lot hotter. So he's moved to have it dismissed just to set the scene for our audience.
Okay, there's a two-page indictment against him.

Speaker 30 It's pretty straightforward. And they allege in the Eastern District of Virginia that on or about September 30th, 2020, James Comey willfully and knowingly lied, lied to Congress, telling a U.S.

Speaker 30 Senator that he, James Comey, had not authorized someone at the FBI to be an anonymous source in news reports regarding an FBI investigation.

Speaker 30 Okay, so that's basically what the whole thing is based on, and there's really not much more to the indictment than that.

Speaker 30 Two counts that we think are based on just that one allegation that he lied to Congress in September of 2020.

Speaker 30 Now, in September of 2020, what they're really, what happened was in an exchange with Ted Cruz, Jim Comey reaffirmed testimony he gave to Chuck Grassley three years earlier in 2017 and doubled down on those assertions that he had not leaked to the media about an FBI investigation and he had not authorized a person at the FBI to leak to the media about any investigation into Trump or Hillary.

Speaker 30 And I'm just going to play you those testimonials just so we're really clear. All right.

Speaker 30 First, we're going to go in chronological order because they're both at issue very much in this case against him. Here he is in 17, 2017,

Speaker 30 the date was May 3rd,

Speaker 30 Speaking under oath to Senator Chuck Grassley. Listen.

Speaker 48 Director Comey, have you ever been an anonymous source in news reports about matters relating to the Trump investigation or the Clinton investigation?

Speaker 32 Never.

Speaker 48 Have you ever authorized someone else at the FBI to be an anonymous source in news reports about the Trump investigation or the Clinton investigation? No.

Speaker 48 Has any classified information relating to President Trump or his

Speaker 48 associates been declassified and shared with the media?

Speaker 18 Not to my knowledge.

Speaker 30 Okay, so it's that middle question that is at issue.

Speaker 30 He very clearly testified, yet the question was, have you ever been an anonymous, sorry, have you ever authorized someone else at the FBI to be an anonymous source in news reports about the Trump investigation or the Hillary investigation?

Speaker 30 Answer no.

Speaker 30 Now, that was May 3rd, 2017, which was just a couple months after the period of June 2015 through February 2017, where his good friend Daniel Richman, who is a Columbia law professor, had been deputized by Comey to act as a special governmental employee at the FBI on Comey's behalf, who he used to both advise him, James Comey, and now we do know to leak to the media.

Speaker 30 Okay, so this testimonial to Grassley was post that,

Speaker 30 you know,

Speaker 30 year and a half period where he had been using Daniel Richmond to leak to the media. So it would appear to be a very clear lie.
He had been using him.

Speaker 30 He'd been using him for a year and a half, and the guy had been an employee at the FBI, special governmental employee.

Speaker 30 And that's what Grassley asked, ever authorize someone else at the FBI to be an anonymous source in news reports about Trump investigation or Hillary? So he said that.

Speaker 30 He said in May of 17, no, never did. Then Ted Cruz, it's a little convoluted, hold on to your armrests there,

Speaker 30 gets him to double down on it three years later in 2020, September 2020.

Speaker 30 And the only reason they use the September 2020 exchange with Cruz as the basis for the indictment is because the 17 exchange is barred as time limited.

Speaker 30 The five-year statute of limitations on that lie ran out. But he renewed his lie to Ted Cruz.
It's more convoluted, but it's there.

Speaker 30 I urge you to listen to this exchange, but pay attention, most importantly, to the last part of it. Listen.

Speaker 49 On May 3rd, 2017,

Speaker 49 in this committee, Chairman Grassley asked you point blank, quote, Have you ever been an anonymous source in news reports about matters relating to the Trump investigation or the the Clinton investigation.

Speaker 49 You responded under oath, quote, never.

Speaker 49 He then asked you, quote, have you ever authorized someone else at the FBI to be an anonymous source in news reports about the Trump investigation or the Clinton administration?

Speaker 49 You responded again under oath, no.

Speaker 49 Now, as you know, Mr. McCabe, who works for you, has publicly and repeatedly stated

Speaker 49 that he leaked information to the Wall Street Journal and that you were directly aware of it and that you directly authorized it now

Speaker 49 what mr mccabe is saying and what you testified to this committee cannot both be true one or the other is false who's telling the truth

Speaker 50 i can only speak to my testimony i stand by what the testimony you summarized that i gave in may of 2017.

Speaker 49 so your testimony is you've never authorized anyone to leak And Mr. McCabe, if he says contrary, is not telling the truth.

Speaker 33 Is that correct?

Speaker 50 Again, I'm not going to characterize Andy's testimony, but mine is the same today.

Speaker 30 Mine is the same

Speaker 30 today,

Speaker 30 which is a very good hook for prosecutors to say

Speaker 30 not only did he reaffirm the testimony as of 2017, but he expanded it from 2017 forward to 2020.

Speaker 30 So both time periods would be covered where James Comey is on the record saying he never authorized someone to leak on his behalf while at the FBI. Okay, that's clearly his testimony.

Speaker 30 In any event, there's no doubt he stood by that Grassley testimony, at least through his testimony on May 3rd, 2017.

Speaker 30 So if he did authorize somebody to leak for him at the FBI prior to May 3rd, 2017, they've got him. They've got him.
And we were speculating when the indictment first came out,

Speaker 30 who's the indictment even talking about? You heard, you know, Ted Cruz there was talking about Andy McCabe, who worked for him. Was that who it was? Or was it somebody else?

Speaker 30 Was it the Trump investigation? Was it the Hillary? Who knows?

Speaker 30 And now it appears, I mean, I don't want to limit them, but it appears that at least we have clear evidence that Comey did use Daniel Richmond, who was an employee of the FBI, again, from June 2015 through February 2017, to leak to the media about the Hillary Clinton email investigation prior to the time he denied it under oath to Chuck Grassley.

Speaker 30 The reason I say that is today in the news is an explosive report from John Solomon based on documents provided by Cash Patel at the FBI that they found at the FBI that show correspondence between James Comey and Daniel Richmond, his BFF and employee for that year and a half, making clear Comey wanted Richmond to leak and that Richmond did then act as an anonymous source to the New York Times and possibly others.

Speaker 30 All right. And we'll just go through a couple of them.
First, he points out, this is Mike Davis summarizing some of it. Comey had a burner Gmail,

Speaker 30 which he named himself Reinhold Niebuhr.

Speaker 30 I don't know who that is, Victor. You're a historian.
Does that name ring a bell to you?

Speaker 32 Yes, it does. He was a very famous Protestant clergyman, public intellectual in the United States.

Speaker 32 He was the father of Elizabeth Sifton, the head editor for a while at Alfred Kanop, and at one time my book editor. So it's kind of a coincidence you asked that.

Speaker 32 But he was very well known as a voice of morality in America. Oh, you're so smart.
I love that you're afraid.

Speaker 32 Yeah, sanctimonious Comey would always try to identify with a higher moral authority.

Speaker 30 Okay, so there that he that's his alias. And he's corresponding with his BFF, Daniel Richmond.
And

Speaker 32 okay,

Speaker 30 I'm going to try to make this clear. It's not that easy.

Speaker 35 Hold on.

Speaker 30 First,

Speaker 30 just to set the scene for the audience again, it was October 28th, 2016 that Comey wrote a letter

Speaker 30 saying that the FBI had discovered new emails relevant to the Hillary Clinton use of private email servers. That was just like a few days before the election.

Speaker 30 That was the final, like in July of 2016, Comey came out and he was like, Hillary sucks. She has a private homebrew server.

Speaker 30 It's very problematic, but we're not going to indict her because we can't meet certain elements of a crime. And Republicans were pissed, like, she should be indicted.

Speaker 30 Then October comes around, and we're just like a week before the vote now, and he says, ah, we found more emails on Anthony Weiner's laptop, who's married to Huma Ahmadim Abadin, who was Hillary's right-hand person.

Speaker 30 And then the Democrats lost their mind saying, this is election interference by the FBI, which works for the DOJ, days before an election.

Speaker 30 And Comey's like, I had to tell people, I kind of exonerated her in July. And then just before the election, now I find all these other emails.

Speaker 30 And look, I felt a moral obligation to tell America, we did find other stuff. And you can hear him.
He's upset because then the left-wing press went nuts on him.

Speaker 30 And the left-wing press was important to James Comey, who wanted them to love him.

Speaker 30 And what he's doing is using Daniel Richmond to massage the press into thinking Comey was moral, like you point out, like this Reinhold Niebuhr, that he was, he did the right thing.

Speaker 30 And he's writing to his BFF here

Speaker 30 about how, look, you know, I did something noble

Speaker 30 saying,

Speaker 30 first his friend says, do you want me to respond, basically? And then Comey responds from his burner account, no need. At this point, it would be shouting into the wind.
Someday they'll figure it out.

Speaker 30 And as Jack and Ben point out, my, I don't know who that is, my decision will be one a president-elect Clinton will be very grateful for, though that wasn't why I did it.

Speaker 30 So he's anticipating Hillary's going to win and that ultimately, after she wins, she'll forgive him for doing the October thing.

Speaker 30 The next day, Daniel Richmond sent Comey an email regarding an op-ed he'd been asked to write for the New York Times about the Comey letter regarding Hillary's emails.

Speaker 30 Richmond stated he was not inclined to write something, but that he would, if Comey thought it would help things, to explain that the defendant owed Congress absolute candor and that Comey's credibility with Congress could be, would be particularly important in the coming years of threatened congressional investigations.

Speaker 30 That's when Comey wrote back, no need. It would be shouting into the wind.
Someday they'll figure it out. And Hillary Clinton, President-elect, will be very grateful for me having done this.

Speaker 30 Then, Comey appears to have reconsidered that view very shortly thereafter, alleges the government.

Speaker 30 On November 1st, 2016, he emailed Daniel Richman again, saying, When I read the Times coverage involving reporter one, I'm left with a sense that they don't understand the significance of my having spoken about this case in July.

Speaker 30 It changes the entire analysis.

Speaker 30 Meaning, he's like, His point is, having said something in July about how she should be, she can't be charged, I owed it to the public to update my statements in October when I found the Anthony Wiener laptop.

Speaker 30 And then he says to Daniel Richman, perhaps you can make him smarter. And Comey goes on about why he's so noble and this needs to be explained to the press.
My inactivity was not an option here.

Speaker 30 The choices were act to reveal or act to conceal. Richmond responds the next day, stating, this is precisely the case I made to them and thought they understood.
I was quite wrong.

Speaker 30 Indeed, I went further and said mindless allegiance to the policy and recognition that more evidence could come in would have counseled silence in July to have let Hillary twist in the wind.

Speaker 30 Richmond emailed Comey shortly thereafter, writing, I just got the point home to reporter one, who we think was Michael Schmidt of the New York Times, probably was rougher than you would have been.

Speaker 30 Then Comey emails Richmond shortly thereafter, entitling the message, Pretty Good, sending a link to the New York Times piece regarding the defendants, Comey's purported options in late October 2016 about the Clinton email investigation.

Speaker 30 Comey wrote, Someone showed some logic. I would paint the cons that I was facing in not disclosing more darkly, but not bad.

Speaker 30 So this clearly he says to Richmond here, Victor, perhaps you can make him smarter in writing this piece.

Speaker 30 Then he writes the piece, and we have the piece, by the way, from the New York Times where they weigh exactly what Comey had to do and the pros and the cons.

Speaker 30 And Richmond says, okay, I just got the point home. I was rougher than you would have been.

Speaker 30 And then Comey forwards him the piece saying, someone shows some logic, forwarding the piece to him, with which Richmond participated at Comey's behest. And that is just one example.

Speaker 30 There are other examples as well between Comey and Richmond that predate his testimony to Grassley, denying he had ever done it. It's very clear, according to these filings, Victor, he did.

Speaker 30 And so just like the Tish James case that we talked talked about at length yesterday, check our YouTube feed if you missed it. If you missed it, you shouldn't.

Speaker 30 This case against James Comey looks a lot stronger than the media would have us believe.

Speaker 32 Well, I think it's very strong, but I'm not as optimistic that because this is going to be tried in the New York-Washington corridor.

Speaker 32 And I remember in the Letita James case, there were experts who testified that the Deutsche Bank had no complaint.

Speaker 32 The loan was paid on time with interest in full, and they would loan to him again and they didn't let it. They said it was not relevant to the case.

Speaker 32 The Eugene Carroll case, they brought in all sorts of testimony that proved that she was, and they said it's not irrelevant.

Speaker 32 They're going to say, and I hope they don't, but they're going to say we're talking about a particular authorization to McCabe. Just take one example.
This is irrelevant.

Speaker 32 Or they're going to say, well, James Comey never authorized it.

Speaker 32 It was brought to his attention that people were freelancing and leaking, and he didn't authorize it, but he was under no

Speaker 32 compulsion to stop it. He just thought, wow, I don't know what they're, I'm aware of it.

Speaker 32 That's what they're going to do, and it's going to depend on that, you know, if it's in Washington, a Washington grand jury indicted him, apparently.

Speaker 32 And then it's going to depend on the judge and the prosecutor. But there is a common denominator, two of them, with all of this, Megan, and that is he had no business doing any of this.

Speaker 32 He is a FBI director. His job is to investigate and present evidence to a prosecutor.
The prosecutor was Loretta Lynch, and she was conflicted, and Obama knew it, so she bowed out.

Speaker 32 Remember, she had met with Clinton on the tarmac and Phoenix.

Speaker 32 Yes. And so James Comey, who had been a prosecutor, he was the one, remember, a long time ago that went after Martha Stewart.
He was a glory hound, and he really trumped up that thing.

Speaker 32 And they said, you know what? James Comey is such an egomaniac that we'll bow out. And then he took on the role.
They didn't have a subordinate in the DOJ.

Speaker 32 He took on the role as the investigator and the de facto attorney general to determine whether these charges would go. And that's not right.
He should have said, here's the evidence. On the one hand,

Speaker 32 she's obviously guilty on the case of Hillary. On the other hand, maybe it would be hard to prove to a jury.
You make the decision.

Speaker 32 But he was getting the evidence and then making the decision in public to himself. And that was the problem.

Speaker 32 And then the other thing is he's a narcissist and egomaniac, and he's always too smart by half. He always tries to outthink and manipulate.
So he's thinking, Hillary's going to be president, but

Speaker 32 I'll get a lot of criticism if I don't bring this up like I was one of her toadies. So I'm going to kind of sort of bring it up and then kind of sort of bring it down.

Speaker 32 And then when she's elected, I can kind of say, you know, I have a disinterested reputation. And that's the same thing he did all the time.

Speaker 32 He told Donald Trump, you're kind of sort of not the object of an investigation.

Speaker 32 And then you're kind of, and then he would go out and memorialize it, put it in a safe, and then leak it through a third party. So

Speaker 32 it's really disturbing because...

Speaker 32 He's always trying to, if he had just told the truth, if he had just told the truth, he might be okay.

Speaker 32 But he tries to manipulate and go into all of these self-righteous, narcissistic, egocentric conspiracies. And he, you know, if you start lying, oh, what a terrible

Speaker 32 web we weave when we try to deceive. And that's what he does.
And I hope that he gets, they have a good prosecutor, and I hope they have a good judge, because he's obviously culpable.

Speaker 32 But given what we've seen with Alvin Bragg and Letita James and Jack Smith and Fannie Wills, the judges and the prosecutors have been.

Speaker 32 It's a very high bar. If you're a private sector,

Speaker 30 I'll tell you something.

Speaker 30 They may get this dismissed as vindictive prosecution, though I don't know that they will. I actually don't think that's got

Speaker 30 high hopes. It's a very tough claim to prove.

Speaker 30 They may get it booted because they're arguing that Lindsey Halligan, the acting or the U.S. attorney, wasn't properly appointed, and that's that's being handled by another judge.

Speaker 30 That could be a way out for them. We'll see.

Speaker 30 But I no longer believe they have a shot of getting it dismissed on the four corners of the pleading, saying that they did not plead a viable criminal complaint against him, that we are going to have to get into this because they do have very clear evidence that James Comey lied.

Speaker 30 I actually wasn't as sure about it before because the indictment was so vague. But now that I see the case coming together and this supplemental filing, they've got it.

Speaker 30 Like, we'll see whether the jury finds it material and relevant, all that stuff, but if they get to a jury, but I don't think the judge can dismiss this on the paper, on the four corners of the document, or throw it out for failure to state a claim because they did

Speaker 30 plead a very obvious criminal complaint here of him misleading Congress. They've got the evidence.

Speaker 32 It's going to be very interesting what Andrew McKay, because he had been found culpable guilty to lying on four occasions to federal investigators. I think two of of them were under oath.

Speaker 32 So his credibility was not very good if he was going to testify that he had been authorized by

Speaker 32 James Comey to leak. And he said he wasn't, that he leaked spontaneously.
He did not leak spontaneously. He had leaked with the nod of James Comey.
And people, I think.

Speaker 30 But that's not even the case. People were mistaken into thinking that this case brought against Comey was about McCabe.
It's not. It's about Richmond.

Speaker 32 Yes, I know it. But my point is that if you can show that Comey

Speaker 32 was using other people to leak and lying about it, and then when Ted Cruz says McCabe said this, you said this, and that's going to come up, then McCabe, in a weird way, his credibility is enhanced and Comey is diminished.

Speaker 32 Well, there's more.

Speaker 30 Yeah. There's more.
So there's another soundbite I want to play for you because this is also undermined by the documents just released.

Speaker 30 It's James Comey testifying at that same hearing where Ted Cruz cross-examined him, September 30th, 2020, in response to Senator Lindsey Graham

Speaker 30 asking him about whether he received intel, which we know he did thanks to the documents that have been declassified through Cash Patel,

Speaker 30 whether he remembers receiving intelligence about Hillary Clinton's plans to try to connect Donald Trump to Russia.

Speaker 30 This came out over the summer summer where we saw that they had received intelligence showing that Hillary had this plan. And then, lo and behold, what did she try to do?

Speaker 30 She tried to connect Trump to Russia. So, this is Senator Graham in September of 2020,

Speaker 30 long after it's all happened, asking James Comey whether he remembers being told that by the Intel agents. Watch this.
Slide eight.

Speaker 51 September the 7th,

Speaker 51 2016, the U.S. intelligence officials forwarded an investigative referral of FBI to FBI Director James Comey and Assistant Director of Counterintelligence Peter Strzzok regarding U.S.

Speaker 51 presidential candidate Hillary Clinton's approval of a plan concerning U.S.

Speaker 51 presidential candidate Donald Trump and Russian hackers hampering U.S. elections as a means of distracting the public from her use of a private email server.

Speaker 51 You don't remember getting that or being taught that's a pretty stunning thing. It didn't ring a bell, but it did come to you.

Speaker 30 Didn't ring a bell, James Comey wanted Congress to believe. And yet now they've produced the actual handwritten note, showing it right here on screen,

Speaker 30 James Comey's own handwritten note, which I'll read to you. It's dated September 26, 2016, and there's a line item that reads: HRC plan to tie Trump.
HRC plan to try to tie Trump.

Speaker 30 And then there's a note

Speaker 30 or a couple lines down saying,

Speaker 30 Carrie, Trump, finance, debts. I think it says for Moscow.

Speaker 30 I mentioned New York Times and Russia. It's very clearly in the context of Russia.
He's saying Hillary Clinton planned to tie Trump.

Speaker 30 And we know, we know that she had that plan because we've now seen all the intel that was circulating at the FBI and CIA, who had unearthed, thanks to the Russians who had been, it's a long story, but basically somebody had been spying.

Speaker 30 I think it was the Australians had been spying on the Russians and found talk of this plan.

Speaker 30 And they brought it to our intel agents saying, hey, FYI, Hillary Clinton's up to some dirty business, in case you're interested. And our intelligence agencies discussed it.

Speaker 30 We learned learned that over the summer and now you see the james comey note saying it and that then you see the testimony that he didn't remember victor this isn't like hey do you know what salad you had four years ago on a friday this is did the democrat candidate for president have a plan to try the republican candidate for president to russia which is an investigation you then pursued for months and tried to ruin his first term with

Speaker 32 yeah but remember that he testified I think it was to the House Oversight Committee,

Speaker 32 and that

Speaker 32 doesn't ring a bell, not aware of that, couldn't quite remember that.

Speaker 32 People had maybe said that, but I never heard it. That's what he said 245 times under oath.

Speaker 32 And they went through all of these questions and he, and he,

Speaker 32 there was no perjury referrals or anything. So I agree 110% with everything you've, your analysis, but

Speaker 32 given that he, what he's done,

Speaker 32 and what McCabe did, and what Brennan did, and what Clapper did, all of them, and yet all we hear is retribution, revenge for, revenge for.

Speaker 32 When the real issue is not that Donald Trump in a revenge fashion, although maybe he had vengeance on his mind and that weighed into it, but that doesn't really matter.

Speaker 32 The matter is whether they're culpable or not. And for the entire Biden administration, they were given exemptions.

Speaker 32 And the whole purpose was so that the statute of limitation they thought would run out in the small chance that Donald Trump would ever be elected again, they thought. But they're all culpable.
And

Speaker 32 they're so

Speaker 32 James Comey is so, he's the most grading because he is the most sanctimonious.

Speaker 32 You know, he's always saying, I'm wandering on the beach reading Nietzsche, and I'm reading Kieligaard, and I'm reading all of these philosophers. Oh, by the way, I just saw this 8647 on the beach.

Speaker 32 I don't, I have no idea what it means. My wife

Speaker 32 is my, he's a pathological

Speaker 32 liar. He really is.

Speaker 30 And is a narcissist. Wait, let me.

Speaker 30 We only have a few minutes left, but I want to get to this because you mentioned Brennan. There was news about him.

Speaker 30 So Brennan went to some, it was like some conference over the weekend, and he was confronted in a great exchange about him joining with the 51 intelligence analysts to try to dismiss the Hunter Biden laptop as possible Russian disinformation.

Speaker 30 And he got very angry. Here's SAT 10.

Speaker 52 I would like to hear what your justification was for supporting the dossier that was known to be false being used as source material in the second ICA.

Speaker 52 I don't know who put you up to this.

Speaker 53 Nobody put me up to this, sir.

Speaker 35 I'm here online.

Speaker 18 I don't know what role you played or who you are. But it's a bunch of bullshit that you just passed on.

Speaker 53 Absolutely. The emails are clear, sir.

Speaker 35 Bullshit. The emails are clear.

Speaker 35 The emails are clear. Next.
The second question. No,

Speaker 35 I think we're going to.

Speaker 35 You can

Speaker 35 talk about it.

Speaker 35 We can talk about it in the reception. It's Russian disinformation.
No, we didn't say it.

Speaker 53 No, you factor. You said it was likely Russian disinformation.
No, we did not. We said you can't.
No.

Speaker 53 Either way, I'm excited.

Speaker 53 And I just like, I don't get a good uninvited to the after hours.

Speaker 35 No, no, no.

Speaker 35 You're done.

Speaker 35 Come on. All right, we're going to go over here.

Speaker 53 This is disinformation.

Speaker 35 Let's go over here for a question.

Speaker 30 Okay, that was Thomas Spessiale, Conservative National Security Consultant, putting him to it. And then just another quick one.

Speaker 30 Then John Brennan was confronted outside the conference on the same subject, SOT-11.

Speaker 15 And you misrepresented that. We never said it was disinformation.

Speaker 35 We said it was Russian influence operations, which is what they do. There's a big difference between influence operations and

Speaker 35 no, you don't know that.

Speaker 35 You don't know. Nobody knew the little finger in the chest.

Speaker 32 You see how he walked away. Yeah, that was the

Speaker 30 way. He was very angry.
Keep going.

Speaker 32 When Mike, yeah, when Mike,

Speaker 32 when Anthony Blinken, on somebody's prompt,

Speaker 32 we probably know who that is, cooked up this idea that it was going to be very embarrassing on the last debate in 2020.

Speaker 32 And Joe Biden was going to be asked about this laptop, which the New York Post had pretty much shown it was genuine. And I think the FBI, who'd had it almost a year, was leaking that it was genuine.

Speaker 32 They sprung into action. So Blinken called Mike Moral, the former interim director of the CIA, and said,

Speaker 32 get the gang out. And they got Hayden and they got Leon Panetta, but especially Clapper and Brennan.

Speaker 32 And then they had a problem because they knew that it was genuine and it would hurt hurt Biden because, you know what was in it, the big guy, Mr. 10%,

Speaker 32 besides all the pornography and the drugs. So they came up with this word game, this gymnastics.

Speaker 32 It has all the hallmarks of a Russian information campaign. And of course,

Speaker 32 the synonym for all that was disinformation. So when Brennan is confronted with that, he says, well, I didn't say it was disinformation.

Speaker 32 I didn't say that it was disinformation. I said that it was just Russians were trying to pass

Speaker 32 something off. It may or may not have been an.

Speaker 30 Yeah, an influence operation. That's all.

Speaker 30 How are they trying to influence?

Speaker 32 But you saw him blow up about the dossier, which he was told was bogus. And Obama, he said to Obama, and so did Clapper, and so did...
Comey and to others, our subordinates know that it's bogus.

Speaker 32 And they were told to go back and get back and that it was not and to run with it, i.e., to the press and then the laptop and the disinformation laptop thing and the

Speaker 32 dossier are really going to hurt him.

Speaker 32 So if he can't even answer that and he blows up and he gets angry and he uses all of you bull crap and he storms off, and he did the same thing when he was caught lying to the Senate about the Senate computer staffers.

Speaker 32 They said, you've been, the CIA director, Brennan, you've you've been tapping into these. He blew up.
No, he haven't. We would never do that.
Same thing about targeted assassinations,

Speaker 32 about collateral damage. He lied twice.
But I hope that he does that if he gets indicted, because I don't think a good prosecutor will allow that blow up and those psychodramatics to work.

Speaker 30 And it's so visionist.

Speaker 32 Yeah, he knows.

Speaker 30 Every headline. Every headline at the time.
I just pulled one, Politico. Hunter Biden's story is Russian disinfo.

Speaker 30 Dozens of former Intel officials say that was the headline everywhere did john brennan run around trying to correct it saying no not disinformation it's just an influence operation and let me explain to you the difference the guy is a liar he's caught and i agree with you i hope he gets a compliment

Speaker 32 remember christopher ray they had the fbi they had the laptop they had already done authentic to see if it whether it's authentic they have they had done forensic on it they knew that it was hunters the The laptop owner knew.

Speaker 32 He had the receipt that

Speaker 32 Hunter had left it there. So it wasn't even a question of doubt at all.

Speaker 30 Yeah, it's just he's been humiliated now, so he wants to revise history.

Speaker 30 Victor Davis Hansen, he tells us real history every time he comes on, and for that, we are always grateful. Thank you, VDH.
See you soon. Thank you.
Thank you.

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