Vance and Erika Shine at TP, Kamala Whiffs, and Turning NJ Red, with Allie Beth Stuckey and Jack Ciattarelli | Ep. 1183

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Speaker 34 I mean, could we actually get a Republican governor for the People's Republic of New Jersey? I know it wasn't that long ago that we had Chris Christie, but like it seems like forever ago.

Speaker 34 Their current governor, Phil Murphy, just signed a bill into law allowing abortion on demand through all nine months of pregnancy. All nine months, up until the day before the baby's born.

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Speaker 34 Okay, let's get to some news. There's a lot going on today.
What I want to start with is J.D. Vance appearing at the Charlie Kirk Turning Point

Speaker 34 event last night at the University of Mississippi. What an extraordinary evening.

Speaker 34 He was introduced by Erica Kirk. And you know, the Vance's have been so good to Erica, and she's really been leaning on Usha, who's been a complete rock for her.

Speaker 34 I love the fact that Usha Vance is able to play this role for Erica. She's a sweet, smart, strong woman.
She's completely changed JD's life.

Speaker 34 I met her back in 2017 when I first profiled him in depth for NBC and went deep on his family, his sister Lindsay, his aunt Wee, his mama, and Usha, who sat with us when I interviewed JD for that long piece in which J.D.

Speaker 34 said he really, he felt like he projected Hugh's car salesman when people like me told him he should run for national office. It's before he was even running for Senate.

Speaker 34 And anyway, theirs is a deep love love story. They met at Yale Law School, both brilliant, both brought very different things to the relationship.

Speaker 34 And among the gifts that Usha has is just a quiet strength, just to be in her presence. You can see it.

Speaker 34 You have to be brilliant to wind up at Yale Law School and go on to clerk for the Chief Justice of the United States like she did.

Speaker 34 She's truly gifted intellectually. And I think she's, you know, how they use that phrase of sound mind.
I think she's really of sound mind. I mean, she's got like an especially sound mind.

Speaker 34 And like I said, a calmness to her that I think Erica has found comforting.

Speaker 34 I saw Erica literally leaning on her at the Charlie Kirk Presidential Medal of Freedom award ceremony a couple weeks ago at the White House. In any event, it's fitting.

Speaker 34 Erica's chosen her events post-Charlie's death very carefully. And she pointed out last night that it was the seven-week anniversary or mark

Speaker 34 since Charlie was killed. And you know how that is, especially when you're close to somebody who dies, you count, you count it in days, weeks, months, and eventually years.

Speaker 34 And she's still in the counting it in weeks phase of being a widow. So she flew cross-country.
She introduced J.D. Vance at the University of Mississippi, and they both got a hero's welcome.

Speaker 34 Let me just show you the lines to get in. All right, Turning Point put this out.
And you can see the people lining up. It's raining too, which really shows how badly they wanted to get in there.

Speaker 34 You know, know, it's like, it's tough to ask people to stand in the line all day. They've got their ponchos, they've got their umbrellas.
It seems to go for miles and miles and miles.

Speaker 34 Andrew Culvert,

Speaker 34 the EP of Charlie's Show, was reporting online yesterday that half of the students at the University of Mississippi applied for tickets. They were free.

Speaker 1 But half.

Speaker 34 Half of all students at the university tried to get into this thing. And then on top of that, another 13,000 adults and faculty and so on.
So look at this.

Speaker 34 For listening audience, we're still showing the line. It's still going for all the time I've been talking.
My God, there's no end to it.

Speaker 34 You can see the enthusiasm for Turning Point, for our sitting vice president, and of course for beautiful, sweet, sensitive Erica.

Speaker 34 Erica, there's video of her behind the stage, and she's wearing, for the listening audience, jeans and a white freedom t-shirt like Charlie had on when he died.

Speaker 34 And they did something, Turning Point is very sophisticated on its productions and

Speaker 34 clever in the use of its tape. And they did something that I'm sure they got her blessing for.
They used Charlie's voice to introduce Erica to the stage, obviously, from an earlier appearance of hers.

Speaker 34 Can we play that with the sound, you guys? Do we have that?

Speaker 34 Sorry.

Speaker 36 Speaker is a very, very special speaker, and she has had a heroic blast year. And I believe she's the best mom in the world, truly the best mom in the world.
She is my hero and the love of my life.

Speaker 36 Join me in welcoming Erica Kirk.

Speaker 34 She's now walking out at the University of Mississippi last night.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 34 Got tears in my eyes just watching that. You could see her just drop her arms to her side and take in the enormity of the crowd who had gathered there before her,

Speaker 34 truly to honor her, to honor Charlie, to honor the things that Charlie was fighting for.

Speaker 34 She's so strong, honestly. It's like seven weeks out is a short amount of time.
And she has been forcing herself to do a few of these things just to keep

Speaker 1 her

Speaker 34 organization going

Speaker 34 and to keep turning point on people's minds, which is what Charlie would have wanted.

Speaker 34 She spoke to the crowd before JD came out, and here's a little bit of that. Sat six.

Speaker 34 Being the courageous generation that you are,

Speaker 34 stand up for the truth.

Speaker 3 Defend life.

Speaker 3 Love your family fearlessly.

Speaker 1 Love your spouse fearlessly.

Speaker 3 Love this country.

Speaker 37 Defend her.

Speaker 16 Defend her.

Speaker 34 And serve our God.

Speaker 34 And don't think that it's someone else's role to do it.

Speaker 34 You do it.

Speaker 3 You do it.

Speaker 34 Do it for Charlie.

Speaker 3 Do it for Charlie.

Speaker 3 Wow.

Speaker 34 I'm in a standing room only in the auditorium. And you can feel the love that those students and others were sending to Erica Kirk.
That was a good decision.

Speaker 34 You know, she should only only be going to places that are loving right now. She should stay off the internet with the insane theories that are being kicked around.
People are so harsh.

Speaker 34 People are crazy. People are literally attacking her for seeming too together.
You know, as if, I mean, there's like crazy theory.

Speaker 34 I don't want to get into them, but she should stay off the internet and she should go to places like that where she can feel what's real. what's real

Speaker 34 the love for charlie the love for her the love for her family the love for her turning point family, which she and Charlie helped build.

Speaker 34 I mean, she helped Charlie build it in the later years and take it next level and inspired him to take his own life next level.

Speaker 34 I don't know. It's, you know, she's coming to our tour too.
You know that, right? She's coming to Glendale, Arizona. It is all but sold out.
I think we literally only have a couple tickets left.

Speaker 34 Forgive me if it's, if you get to the website and it's sold out because I, last I looked, it was like, there was a smidge left. You can get the, you can try at megankelly.com.
But

Speaker 34 that's a big, big auditorium. That's like a big arena.
And it sold out like almost instantly, like

Speaker 34 as soon as we announced she was coming. And you can just feel the enthusiasm for her, for Charlie still.

Speaker 34 That's going to be the most powerful night of the tour. With respect to all my other guests who I love, I think they would probably concede this too.

Speaker 34 We're finishing off the tour in Glendale, Arizona, with Erica.

Speaker 34 And

Speaker 34 this will be her first, you know, live on-stage sit-down

Speaker 34 talking about herself. She's giving one other interview to Fox and our pal Jesse Waters about Turning Point and Charlie.
And that's good. That's good too.

Speaker 34 She should be doing what's right for Turning Point. But this one's going to be personal.

Speaker 34 And

Speaker 34 I don't know. It's weird to say I'm looking forward to it, but I am looking forward to it because

Speaker 34 I have a love for Erica Kirk that's like pretty profound. I feel the need to look after her.
And

Speaker 34 I feel like this is, I don't know, I just kind of feel like Charlie wants me to do this, and I will do this, and I will handle it right. And I think Erica will leave feeling

Speaker 34 better, feeling like some important things were said, and some important things were shared. In any event, looking forward to that.

Speaker 34 She introduced Vice President J.D. Vance.
And when he got on the stage, take a listen to how the auditorium sounded here in SOT7.

Speaker 38 Old Miss, I got a question.

Speaker 38 Are you ready?

Speaker 34 Hell yeah, damn right.

Speaker 34 Hotty-totty, gosh almighty.

Speaker 34 Who the hell are we, hey? Flim flam, bim, bam, ole miss by damn, it's a thing.

Speaker 34 Clearly, he knew how to evoke the old miss cheer, and the students responded totally appropriately. He then

Speaker 34 took the QA, and boy, oh boy, was that fun. He is so smooth.

Speaker 34 The way he handled himself, the way he interacted with these students, had virtually every right-wing publication today using the number 48. 48, 48, 48 got up there.
48 was great.

Speaker 34 Let's look at some of it. Here is one of the sound bites that's gone viral, SOT 8.
Watch it.

Speaker 39 Pushing out policies that hurt us, and these policies are not even solving the problems. These policies are just creating problems.

Speaker 1 No, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 38 I can believe that the United States should lower its levels of immigration in the future while also respecting that there are people who have come here through immigration path, lawful immigration pathways that have contributed to the country.

Speaker 38 But just because one person or 10 people or 100 people came in legally and contributed to the United States of America, does that mean that we're thereby committed to let in a million or 10 million or 100 million people a year in the future?

Speaker 38 No, that's not right. We cannot have...

Speaker 38 I'll go and finish. We cannot have an immigration

Speaker 38 where what was good for the country 50 or 60 years ago binds the country inevitably for the future.

Speaker 38 There's too many people who want to come to the United States of America, and my job as vice president is not to look out for the interests of the whole world, it's to look out for the people of the United States.

Speaker 38 Now,

Speaker 34 rock star. In the middle of the question, the woman raises her hand again.
She's got a follow-up.

Speaker 34 At one point, he says, I think it was to her, because he did allow somebody to ask a multi-pronged question. He was like, you know, let me see if I can condense the nine questions you just asked me.

Speaker 34 He was her. He's just, he's funny and he's very deft at maneuvering through these issues and condensing down like a lot of information into its most salient point and hitting it.

Speaker 34 It's from all the experience he's had. It's from his fearlessness and going on those Sunday shows with hostile media.
Like there's not a, there's not a corner he won't go into.

Speaker 34 Unlike the left, he's used to getting cross-examined by people who can't stand him. So answering a few questions from a couple of hostel students at University of Mississippi, not a problem.

Speaker 34 Here, he's asked about how his faith has helped him in his current job. Take a listen asop nine.

Speaker 34 Can you tell us how your faith helps you in your role as vice president?

Speaker 38 I grew up in a country where you just didn't hear political leaders talk about their faith, but the reason why I try to be the best husband I can be, the best father I can be, the reason why I care so much about all the issues that we're going to talk about is because I believe that I've been placed in this position for a brief period of time to do the most amount of good for God and for the country that I love so much.

Speaker 38 And I have two very important duties as vice president of the United States to the American people and to God, and that's the most important influence my faith has on me.

Speaker 11 Thank you.

Speaker 34 He talked about how he

Speaker 34 is hoping that at some point his wife, Usha, will convert to Christianity. And

Speaker 34 I think he said she's agnostic. I think that's what he said.
And forgive me if I've gotten that wrong. Pretty sure that's what he said.
And that he's hoping that soon she will convert to Christianity.

Speaker 34 Yeah, that's what he said. And that would be, that would be pretty extraordinary.
He said they're raising their children Christian.

Speaker 34 And then he also talked about how he grew up in an area, you know, of course, he was in Middletown, Ohio. He spent lots of his summers down in the Hala in Kentucky.

Speaker 34 And he talked about how where he grew up, people were faithful, but they did not talk about their faith.

Speaker 34 It was not like the way Charlie did it, but talked about how Charlie really influenced him on that front.

Speaker 34 And as he did with so many of us, you know, right now I'm on my fourth faith book that I've been reading just in the past couple of weeks, thanks to Charlie.

Speaker 34 I think a lot of us are going through that.

Speaker 34 And thanks to all of you too, by the way, who many of you emailed into the show and emailed me, Megan, at megankelly.com, with your recommendations of faith-based books that could help somebody like me who's looking for a window of entry i mean obviously i'm catholic but i don't i don't know the bible i don't know scripture i certainly can't quote it the way charlie could and i have been having questions about faith given everything that's been going on with the annulment process that i'm pursuing on my first marriage i think you you guys have heard that story so in any event He can relate from the sound of it.

Speaker 34 Maybe Usha can relate from the sound of it. And maybe some of you guys can relate too.
So good for him for taking that on.

Speaker 34 The question of what we're doing with our National Guard in U.S. cities came up.
And just, this was an interesting answer because it kind of got to, I think, overall,

Speaker 34 in my view, also maybe some of the lawfare. It was basically,

Speaker 34 should we be more careful when we Republicans are in charge,

Speaker 34 understanding that we won't always be. and that when Democrat rule returns, some of these same tactics are going to get turned around on us.
That's basically where I think this questioner was going.

Speaker 34 So take a listen to the question, but listen most importantly to how JD answers it.

Speaker 40 You guys have sent the military into Washington, D.C.

Speaker 41 and a few other cities that I can't think of off the top of my head, which first off, they've had wonderful results. Like no one,

Speaker 41 no one can deny the results of that. It's wonderful.

Speaker 30 Some might even say the greatest.

Speaker 40 Well, it's not necessarily something you did wrong, but it's what could someone else do wrong.

Speaker 40 Let's say we get a complete tyrant in office and let's say we're having, let's say Turning Point USA is having a huge protest against

Speaker 40 something really bad that we don't like. And let's say

Speaker 40 a president is saying that it's getting violent.

Speaker 41 How can we prevent someone from abusing that power?

Speaker 38 Here's something that I want conservatives, I want every conservative to remember, it's an important part of my entire political philosophy, is we cannot be afraid to do something because the left might do it in the future.

Speaker 38 The left is already going to do it regardless of whether we do it.

Speaker 38 That is the takeaway of the last 40 years.

Speaker 38 What I'm worried about, frankly, is what the far left already did with American law enforcement. And that is the thing that we have to prevent against.

Speaker 38 And the answer to that question is you make sure the people who did it face penalties for using the federal power against American citizens.

Speaker 34 Right on. And that's what's happening.
That's what's happening. I mean, they're going through all these old files.

Speaker 34 And if it's beyond the point where a crime could be charged, they're just outing them to the media. You know, and if it's something that's not a crime, but a scandal, they're outing it to the media.

Speaker 34 And if it's something that actually is a crime, like John Bolton allegedly sending classified documents to himself and his wife and his daughter without clearance, they're charging it.

Speaker 34 And some of the worst actors obviously are getting charged for other crimes that would not clearly have been charged but for the fact that they charged Trump with made-up crimes, like Tish James.

Speaker 34 She's at least getting charged with a real crime. Whether she did it, she'll have her day in court to prove one way or the other.

Speaker 34 But I mean, no one's disputing that charge would not normally be brought against her.

Speaker 34 It was brought because she made several years of Trump's life a living hell where she tried to steal his business from him over bullshit made-up charges involving alleged bank fraud that he did not commit.

Speaker 34 I mean, it it was just so obvious. All the banks said he paid us back with interest.
We're delighted to do business with him.

Speaker 34 And she said, no, there's some inherent harm in just you having gotten these interest rates for some time.

Speaker 34 Well, now she's dealing with interest rates and accusations that she got some sort of a benefit, whether somebody was actually harmed or not.

Speaker 34 It's the turning of the tables. Fine with it.
I'm totally fine with it. And if she's not guilty, legally, we'll hear that from a judge or a jury.

Speaker 1 Fine.

Speaker 34 But I like the fact that he's standing behind it and he's not apologetic about it because he's exactly right.

Speaker 34 They are going to do what they are going to do. We saw that during the Biden administration.
How many times do we have to learn the lesson that they will be absolutely ruthless when in power?

Speaker 34 Absolutely ruthless. And the only question is whether Republicans are in power, they are going to try to hold those ruthless people to account.
That's what's happening right now.

Speaker 34 So good for him for understanding that and understanding, you know, what's the point of having power if you're not going to use it? You know, that's what you were elected to do.

Speaker 34 Clean up these cities, get rid of these illegals, and restore some accountability to these disgusting offices that have been totally corrupted under Democrat rule, like the DOJ, like the FBI.

Speaker 34 Finally, the issue of faith came back up.

Speaker 34 And JD had more to say on the subject of faith in the public square. Take a listen to Soph 10.

Speaker 42 As much as I hope and pray that we can be a nation of Christians, the idea of a Christian nation scares me.

Speaker 42 So I'd like to hear your feedback on a pretty nuanced argument here, that perhaps there should be a wall of separation, as at least one of our founders advocated,

Speaker 42 between church and state at the national level. However, that line can and should get blurrier as we descend to the community level.

Speaker 38 If you go back to the First Amendment, it doesn't say separation of church and state. It says Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.

Speaker 38 But if you go back to the founding time, there were actually a number of states that had formally recognized churches. So there was the Anglican Church of Virginia.

Speaker 38 That was the official state church of Virginia.

Speaker 38 And yes, I do think that what happened is the Supreme Court interpreted Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion to effectively throw the church out of every public space at the federal, state, and local level.

Speaker 38 I think it was a terrible mistake, and we're still paying for the consequences of it today.

Speaker 38 But if, and I think this is your point, if you were to undo that, if you were to get back to a system actually meant by the founders where Congress is not setting up an established religion, but people in their local communities can kind of do whatever it is that they want to do, I think that would be a better system than what we have today.

Speaker 38 But I think the most important principle that we have got to remember is you do not.

Speaker 38 You do not have to completely kick God out of the public square, which is what we've done in modern America. It's not what the founders wanted.
It's not good for the United States of America.

Speaker 38 And anybody who tells you it's required by the Constitution is lying to you.

Speaker 34 Amen. Religion was all over the public square when this country was founded.

Speaker 34 What do you see all over our money? And God we trust. Why is that there? The Ten Commandments were everywhere.

Speaker 34 Like, it's, we've, we've deluded ourselves into believing that you can't have any mention of religion or that we're not actually a Christian nation, which was kind of baked into his question.

Speaker 34 We are a Christian nation.

Speaker 1 We are.

Speaker 34 And our Constitution was set up based on foundational principles of Christianity,

Speaker 34 including the Ten Commandments.

Speaker 34 So there's nothing wrong with that.

Speaker 34 That's fine. There are a lot of virtually every country in the Middle East is based on a different religion.

Speaker 34 Islam. Okay, that's how they want to live.

Speaker 1 Great.

Speaker 34 That's not how we want to live. That's fine, too.

Speaker 34 It's the radical left that has made us pull religion out of every corner of the public square.

Speaker 34 And thanks to some radical judges who have issued some rulings suggesting you can't have any reference to it.

Speaker 34 And we need to get back to that. We actually need more religion in the public square.
We do. We need more Christianity in the public square.
That's the answer.

Speaker 34 That's the way out of this for everybody.

Speaker 34 More faith in the public square and in their lives and more connection for people and more dwarfing of oneself and understanding that there is something larger than you in this world that matters.

Speaker 34 There's a reason atheists and others push that out and have led us into being more and more godless.

Speaker 34 And I do think it's directly linked to those polls we talked about yesterday, where you've got between 20 and 30 percent of leftists who think political violence is acceptable, who think it's fine.

Speaker 34 And we saw that poll of Illinois primary voters in the Democrat Party thinking 81% of them say Trump and MAGA are Nazis. 81%.

Speaker 34 So I do think those people need to get back in touch with God,

Speaker 34 with their faith, and understand the roots of this country and what leads to happiness and what doesn't.

Speaker 34 A life of atheism and non-belief and disconnection to anything other than one's navel

Speaker 34 has proven to be deeply problematic and dangerous. And we're going down the wrong path.

Speaker 34 Okay, I want to keep going. Kamala Harris, she's finally subjected herself to a couple of mildly challenging interviews.
And it's no coincidence that it happened overseas, right?

Speaker 34 We showed you the one with the British journalist the other day. And now we have an Aussie

Speaker 34 who works for the Australian Broadcasting Corporation. Her name is Sarah Ferguson.
And take a look at this exchange that happened with these two, SAT3.

Speaker 43 Wasn't Joe Biden then to put it on him? Wasn't his refusal to recognize his own frailties the reason that you faced a nearly impossible task.

Speaker 44 I ran against Donald Trump for president, and Donald Trump ran on

Speaker 44 a platform that was in large part, I believe, misrepresenting his intentions.

Speaker 34 Non-responsive.

Speaker 44 I do believe that there are a fair number of people that voted for Donald Trump who believed him when he told them that his first priority on day one is going to be to bring down prices.

Speaker 44 And he didn't. And you combine that misrepresentation of intention

Speaker 44 with also what was at play in terms of massive amounts of mis and disinformation.

Speaker 1 Forgive me.

Speaker 44 Calendar in terms of the

Speaker 43 clock.

Speaker 43 I want to interrupt you because that is a world-class pivot, but it is not the question that I asked you, which is about Joe Biden's failure to recognise his own frailties and what that did to you.

Speaker 43 The question is about Joe Biden. Are you still reluctant to criticize the former president?

Speaker 44 In what regard, please?

Speaker 43 Well, just in terms of that question. So you went on...

Speaker 1 Exactly what you'd like to ask.

Speaker 44 Be more specific. She asked him twice.

Speaker 43 Was it Joe Biden's decision, his failure to recognize his own frailties in that position that put you in the position that made it almost impossible to win that race?

Speaker 44 He was not frail as President of the United States. But he had frailties.

Speaker 43 We all saw the debate.

Speaker 44 I do believe that Joe Biden had the capacity to be president of the United States.

Speaker 34 And she goes on to say, you know, maybe not the capacity to run for president. She tries to draw some distinction.

Speaker 34 Listening audience, you have to watch this clip back on YouTube. Go to 28 After the Hour.
She looks dumbfounded. She's truly stunned that she's being asked a difficult question.
It is amazing.

Speaker 34 It's been like on the theme of our week here on this show as we watch these dumbfounded Democrats. Like, what are you doing?

Speaker 34 Like Corrine Jean-Pierre, you know, in the, in the interview with the New Yorker, like, they don't understand. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. And Kamala pretending,

Speaker 34 ask a precise question. The problem is your question.

Speaker 34 The question was very, very simple. Wasn't Joe Biden, wasn't his refusal to recognize his own frailties the reason that you faced a nearly impossible task?

Speaker 34 Then she answered an entirely different question, talked about how Donald Trump promised affordability and he didn't deliver it. She got interrupted.

Speaker 34 and she said again that's it that's that's a world-class pivot that's not the question i asked which is about joe biden's failure to recognize his own frailties and what that did to you the question is about biden are you still reluctant to criticize the former president in what regard in the exact regard i've just told you twice now twice twice i talked about his failure to recognize his own frailties That's literally the phrase the reporter used in both of the questions.

Speaker 34 Kamala pretended she didn't understand. She did understand this one.
She's not as dumb as Corine Jean-Pierre. And she just pretended she didn't because she didn't want to answer it.

Speaker 34 And then, in what regard, people, which is like, what? Huh? You can tell she's flustered in terms of that question. What exactly would you like to ask? Be more specific.

Speaker 34 Okay, you know exactly what she's asking. You're stalling now for time because you're shocked.
You've been asked a pointed question and you're being forced to answer it. And she asks it a third time.

Speaker 34 Was it Joe Biden's decision, his failure to recognize his his own frailties in that position that put you in the position and made it almost impossible for you to win that race?

Speaker 34 He was not frail as President of the United States. Oh my God.

Speaker 34 Amazing. That's where she landed.
He wasn't frail. Well, here we are, all this time later.
I mean, truly, it's going to be a year later next month that she lost. And she still can't admit the truth.

Speaker 34 Like the gaslighting is amazing. And speaking of gaslighting, we did a story on AM update.

Speaker 34 I think it was yesterday morning. My mornings are blending together.

Speaker 34 Talking about how all these people went in there and they pled the fifth, including Dr. Kevin O'Connor, President Joe Biden's personal physician.

Speaker 34 And the House Oversight Committee has now referred this all to the DOJ saying, like, please investigate these people who took the fifth on what appears to be the greatest cover-up in presidential history, that Joe Biden was incompetent and non-compassmentis, and even his own physician appears to have been in on the cover-up.

Speaker 34 Please look at him, Pam Bondi, because he pled the fifth when he came before us at a House Oversight. And we were talking about Dr.
Kevin O'Connor in the appease, and we pointed out the fact that

Speaker 1 he

Speaker 34 helped before Joe Biden had returned, had won president. It was like 2017, 18, 19, right in that timeframe there.
So Trump was president.

Speaker 34 And he helped facilitate some business deal with a hospital group for Joe Biden's brother, James. And so Jim Biden got this sweetheart deal where right after Dr.

Speaker 34 Kevin O'Connor hooked him up with this medical group, he got a loan from that group of $600,000. And that day, $200,000 arrived across the transom.

Speaker 34 And later that same day, $200,000 went from Jim Biden to Joe Biden. Okay, it all seemed very suspicious.
And why was Dr.

Speaker 34 Kevin O'Connor recommending Jim Biden to do anything with a hospital group when the guy had zero experience in hospital administration?

Speaker 34 It spoke to the cozy, the overly familiar relationship that this doctor had with the Bidens from Jill to Jim to Joe

Speaker 34 and raised the question of whether Dr. O'Connor received any sort of a kickback.

Speaker 34 Well, we didn't know the answer to that because what we did have was a denial from James Biden's lawyer that this doctor received any kickback, but we couldn't ask the doctor himself because again, he pled the fifth.

Speaker 34 Okay, and we went back actually to see who specifically, it was Joe, it was the Biden spokesperson, Joe Biden, who said there was no kickback. We went back to see who that was, who denied it.

Speaker 34 And it was a White House spokesperson named Ian Sams.

Speaker 34 And I remember thinking, I'm pretty sure that guy's lied to us many, many times.

Speaker 34 He's been on, you know, we've run clips of him many, many times where he was denying the mental acuity problems and so on. And it was very clear to me he was a liar.

Speaker 34 And he's in the news today. Why is he in the news today? Because he, too, had to give an interview to the Oversight Committee.
And

Speaker 34 he was asked about how he allegedly knew that Joe Biden was A-OK. Something he said publicly and apparently insisted was true to the House Oversight Committee.
How did you know?

Speaker 34 How much time did you spend with him? Like, walk us through the two of your relationship. And would you listen to this, SOT1?

Speaker 45 How often would you say that you interacted with the president in person?

Speaker 46 I interacted with him pretty infrequently.

Speaker 45 So

Speaker 45 weekly, monthly,

Speaker 1 what are we talking about?

Speaker 47 Very infrequent.

Speaker 46 I think I met with the president.

Speaker 47 A handful of times during my tenure in the White House.

Speaker 45 You pulled a couple quotes.

Speaker 1 A handful.

Speaker 45 an interview you did on MSNBC, and one of the quotes says, When I deal with him, he is sharp and being President Biden, and he is asking tough questions. Do you recall this?

Speaker 48 I gotta say, that doesn't look anything like the president that I know. When I deal with him, he's sharp, he's asking tough questions.

Speaker 48 That's the President Biden that so many of us experience every single day.

Speaker 45 Liar. So, this statement, the basis for this statement was your interactions somewhere between one and five times.

Speaker 47 Yes.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 45 Do you think that's a bit misleading?

Speaker 47 I think it was pretty direct and honest and said that when I do deal with him, he's, you know, sharp, and he was asking incisive questions during my meetings with them.

Speaker 45 But you dealt with him five times in 24 months. That's not exactly a large scope of knowledge on how he interacts with staff.
You don't think it's missing some context?

Speaker 1 I don't.

Speaker 45 Do you think that statement suggests that he dealt with it more than he did?

Speaker 20 I don't think so. I mean, I spoke about my own interactions with him.

Speaker 48 That's the President Biden that we experience every day.

Speaker 34 Every day. By the way, he goes on to admit that he only saw him in person twice.

Speaker 34 Twice

Speaker 34 in all those years. And he's running around on MSNBC saying he is sharp.
He cross-examines with questions. That's the Biden we see every day.
You never saw him. You lied.
You're a liar. It's obvious.

Speaker 34 Ian Sams, you disgraced yourself. Why didn't you just say, in my position, I'm low person on the totem pole and I don't get that much exposure to the president.

Speaker 34 But I will tell you, in the couple of times I've seen him, I give him an A plus. That would be honest spin.

Speaker 34 But instead, you got caught in a lie and then you had to admit it. And then you wouldn't confess.
to being out of context at a minimum.

Speaker 34 Those Republicans were being nice to you in the way they styled what you did on MSNBC. And that is why MSNBC viewers, in part, were grossly misled about the state of the president.

Speaker 34 They have you to blame. You,

Speaker 34 Kamala Harris, Corine Jean-Pierre, and Joe Biden and his family themselves. Plus these top aides like Mike Donnellin, who we talked about the other day, who admitted he had only not only $4 million

Speaker 34 in his pocket.

Speaker 34 To get Biden re-elected, but another $4 million promised to him if he could get him over the finish finish line.

Speaker 34 Okay, we're going to bring on Allie Beth in a second, but I just want to make two more points, two more points before we do.

Speaker 34 One of the things that

Speaker 34 I've been thinking about today, because we are, yesterday was a seven-week mark on Charlie, is the Kirk family.

Speaker 34 And there was a video that was shown online, Erica posted it, of their little girl who's three.

Speaker 34 And they appear to be going by the Charlie, the turning point HQ in Arizona. It's totally heartbreaking.
And

Speaker 34 the reason I want to show it is because of the heartlessness of the left.

Speaker 34 You know, we're not only dealing with people who are serial fabulous, to put it nicely, for this guy, Ian Sams and Kamala Harris, but who really have lost their humanity, as we've been covering on this show ever since Charlie died.

Speaker 34 The absolute inhumanity.

Speaker 34 And the people who, like Lucy Martinez, who mocked shooting herself in the neck when the Charlie Kirk truck drove by her No Kings protest, who's still working in Chicago schools. And all the others.

Speaker 34 She's not alone. All the Halloween costumes, all the celebration of Charlie, you know, these fake costumes of like fake blood coming out of people's necks.
It's disgusting.

Speaker 34 You remember this when you see those next time. Here's this little girl riding in a car past the turning point at HQ.

Speaker 34 She's singing her dad's name. She has no idea.
She does not understand. She's too little to.

Speaker 34 And her little brother doesn't understand either, who is actually truly just a baby. So shame on those people.
Shame on you, Jamie Lee Curtis, for taking back the sympathy you offered for him.

Speaker 34 Shame on you, Gavin Newsom, for trying to lie about how much your son admired him now that you've apparently received blowback from who knows whom on the left. Shame on you.

Speaker 34 It's not just the seven-week, one-day mark since we lost Charlie. It also happens to be the four-year mark since my dear friends, Allison and Tom Barkledge, lost their son, Blake.

Speaker 34 Blake died at age 17 from a heart attack. on this day four years ago after contracting myocarditis.
Here we are.

Speaker 34 This is Allison and Tom, and that's their daughter, Lexi, who survived her brother, her big brother Blake, at our annual Fourth of July party, where we dress up like colonial

Speaker 34 figures. Here's Blake, gone too soon at age 17.

Speaker 34 The parents don't know. We talked to all of it.
We did a piece on Blake, and we talked about the myocarditis. They don't know.
He did have COVID, which can cause heart infection.

Speaker 34 He had received a double dose of the vaccine, as almost every teenage boy did, because those are the recommendations.

Speaker 34 Most places you couldn't even go to school, most colleges, he was in high school, but couldn't even go unless you proved that you did it.

Speaker 34 And they don't know what caused the myocarditis exactly or what you know what led to it, but they know it caused a heart attack in someone they adored too soon.

Speaker 34 And as a result, they lost their son Blake, and Lexi lost her big brother, Blake. Here's a piece of the tribute we did to Blake a year or so after he died.

Speaker 34 What lessons has this taught you about why we're here?

Speaker 34 What your purpose is?

Speaker 49 I mean, every time I'm hanging with my friends now, I like, I always just take a second just to look around because I feel like when I used to hang out with them, with my friends, I wouldn't like live in the moment, I guess you could say, and it would go so fast and then it's over.

Speaker 49 Now, like, we're all leaving for college, the hangouts before last few weeks. Like, I just look around and just I can enjoy it so much more.

Speaker 34 Clemson's man down going into this freshman year.

Speaker 34 They lost a good one.

Speaker 1 Did

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 34 those are Blake's friends, Kyle and Hayden, who were there when he collapsed.

Speaker 34 And

Speaker 34 they're still suffering. But I wanted to tell you the upshot as we're thinking about Erica Kirk and we're thinking about Erica and Charlie's two babes.
And that is the Barkledges were determined.

Speaker 34 That's one of the reasons we profiled them was because the mom and dad, who are dear friends of ours, just refused to give up.

Speaker 34 They refused to let their lives be ruined to subject their daughter Lexi to a life of nonstop pain. They did turn their pain into purpose.

Speaker 34 And since then, they've formed this foundation, Blake Gives Back, which is helping do screenings at hospitals, I'm sorry, at schools across the nation for cardiac irregularities. And they've saved

Speaker 34 innumerable lives with kids who had no idea that there was something wrong, but the EKGs that they've been offering found them. Found them.
In one case, it was like one kid almost didn't go.

Speaker 34 He was like the last one in. He barely got the test.
He had something else going on. Sure enough, he had an issue.

Speaker 34 And he got it addressed thanks to this Blake Gives Back foundation that they're now running in honor of their son,

Speaker 34 powered by their son and his memory. So they've,

Speaker 34 Tom, you may remember, he works at at Johnson and Johnson.

Speaker 34 And that wasn't for whatever it's worth, the vaccine that Blake got, but he works at JJ and he changed the bereavement policy there, which had only allowed for five days off in the loss of an immediate family member to now 30, 30 days off, which of course is what it should be.

Speaker 34 And JJ was very good about it and like very, has been very supportive of the Barkledges.

Speaker 34 It's just, I'm just thinking about it because in the initial stages here, and when you're two months in, you're not, most people can't even function. Never mind, think about it.

Speaker 34 I mean, when we ran that tribute for Blake, Tom and Allison,

Speaker 34 they hadn't formed Blake Gives Back. They hadn't done anything.

Speaker 34 I remember saying, like, you might want to consider like a foundation or something, but they were, it was like, you know, you're still dealing with your grief. So it's a couple things.

Speaker 34 Number one, four years later, they are on their feet. Lexi, well, I'll tell you about her in a second.

Speaker 34 We talked about it in the piece, and I can barely tell this story without getting choked up, but Blake had

Speaker 34 wanted to go to either he was on the fence between, I think, Clemson and Georgia, but he really liked Clemson. And he said, Dad, I think I could get a scholarship to Clemson.

Speaker 34 He had really good grades. And Tom said, Blake, if you get a scholarship to Clemson, you can go.
And they made a bet about whether Blake could do it. And then Blake died on October 30th, 2021.

Speaker 34 And

Speaker 34 they called all the colleges to which Blake had applied. He was a senior in high school.
It was the fall of his senior year.

Speaker 34 And they withdrew Blake's applications because they didn't want Blake to get the spot of some aspiring college attendee.

Speaker 34 And

Speaker 34 I guess Clemson didn't get the

Speaker 34 message because

Speaker 34 they mailed the package to Tom and Allison and Blake, and it was a huge envelope.

Speaker 34 And they knew immediately what it was. And he had gotten into Clemson with the scholarship.

Speaker 34 It's like,

Speaker 34 of course, Tom, you know, Allison's more stoic as between them. She cries privately, but Tom's got his emotions on his sleeve.

Speaker 34 And, you know, to hear him tell this story, there wouldn't be a dry eye in the house. But their daughter, Lexi, who's a couple years younger than Blake and now is an only child in the family.

Speaker 34 is at Clemson now herself. And they go down and they visit with her and they go to the football games and they celebrate.
And there is a way forward for families who are suffering. You know,

Speaker 34 we had the dear family on yesterday that lost their son. He died by suicide.

Speaker 34 Coaxed into the act by Chat GPT. They allege in a lawsuit that they are likely to win, in my view.

Speaker 34 They're still dealing with it. They're only six months into this.
But there is a way forward for families like Erica's, like our family yesterday, like the Barkledges.

Speaker 34 And the Barkledges are a great example of it, it, of how you do it with dignity and grace, and you keep the loved one and their life and their name fresh in people's memories.

Speaker 34 And in that way, you keep them alive.

Speaker 34 In that way, you keep their memory alive.

Speaker 34 I'm so proud of them and how they've dealt with loss.

Speaker 34 If you want to see the piece, you can see it on our website, youtube.com slash Megan Kelly, and see for yourself how it is possible to deal with the pain of loss, especially as we go into the holiday season, right?

Speaker 34 A lot of people feel it. My own sister passed a year after I did that piece on Blake.

Speaker 34 Little did I know when I was doing a piece on my dear friend's loss that I'd suffer a profound one of my own a year later. And that stuff can always come up this time of year.

Speaker 34 I always feel like Halloween is the kickoff to, you know, the true holiday season. We've got Thanksgiving, we've got...
Christmas, Hanukkah, you know, then you get the New Year's.

Speaker 34 It can bring up a lot for people.

Speaker 34 So check it out on our website. I don't know.
Steve, is there a way of like re-upping it so people don't have to go searching down the website?

Speaker 34 Yeah, he said we'll put it on our homepage so you guys can check it out. So, in any event, you can consider donating to Blake Gives Back.
That's not why I raised this, but it's a great cause.

Speaker 34 We donate every year and help do screenings for kids. And they also help kids who just had heart surgeries and transplants go to summer camp so that they can have some time outdoors.

Speaker 34 There's a number of causes that they support that are wonderful. And, you know, just honestly, the same, the lesson is always the same, which is hug your children.
Hug your spouse.

Speaker 34 Be kind to your spouse. Ask your spouse today what you can do for them.
Ask your sibling what you can do for them. Call them up.

Speaker 1 See how they are.

Speaker 34 You know,

Speaker 34 what do they say? Your parents go too soon. Children come too late, but your siblings are there for the whole ride, or at least they should be.
Okay, so that's my message for the day.

Speaker 34 I'm sorry if that felt like a downer, but I hope you took it a different way.

Speaker 34 I hope it inspires you to lean into the love in your life. We're back right after this with Ali Beth Stuckey.

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Speaker 29 The best way to honor Charlie's legacy is to be out here, to be unafraid, to not back down, stand firmly, do not waver on the truth.

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Speaker 34 Joining me now, Ali Beth Stuckey. She is the author of Toxic Empathy.
Great title and great book. And she's host of Relatable with Ali Beth Stuckey.
Welcome back. Great to see you, Allie.

Speaker 50 Thanks so much. Great to see you, Megan.

Speaker 34 Okay, so we have to kick it off with this disturbing news out of New Jersey and Colorado. Both states passing laws now making abortion available throughout

Speaker 34 the entire pregnancy, all the way up to 40 weeks. And both states are now touting clinics that have opened or about to open.
The one in Colorado is leaning in.

Speaker 34 They say, oh, we're going to draw the line at 34 weeks. 34.
Now, not to make this personal, but I did ask Abby, my assistant, who went into early labor on her first child.

Speaker 34 She had her child at 31 weeks, and she's a beautiful, vibrant, awesome kid. 31.
They're talking about killing babies at 34 weeks and beyond in Colorado and New Jersey.

Speaker 34 They've lost their ever-loving minds, Ali Beth. What do you make of it?

Speaker 50 Oh my goodness. Well, let me preempt what I know is a rebuttal that a lot of pro-choicers say.

Speaker 50 You've got a lot of reasonable, moderate people in your audience who might be thinking, well, Megan, they only have abortions at 34 weeks or in the third trimester because there's something wrong with the mother.

Speaker 50 They've got to save the mother's life or there's something wrong with the child. Look, the reality is, and this is not just me, this is an OBGYN perspective that I've heard many times.

Speaker 50 There is never a reason. at that point in the pregnancy to kill the baby to save the mother.
If the mother has to deliver, that does happen.

Speaker 50 She has preeclampsia or something like that, you deliver the child. There is no reason to kill the child first.

Speaker 50 And look, if a child has some kind of fatal fetal anomaly diagnosis, then you still care for the child.

Speaker 50 I don't believe that a diagnosis of special needs should justify the murder of a human being in or outside of the womb. There really is no justification for this whatsoever.

Speaker 34 The one in Colorado is opening because the one they had been using called the Boulder Abortion Clinic just closed its doors after Dr.

Speaker 34 Warren Hearn retired following 50 years of performing late-term abortions in Boulder.

Speaker 34 And the Washington Times reporting that at least half of his late-term clients had no diagnosis of severe fetal abnormalities. Not a one, at least half.
They say it as follows.

Speaker 34 The Atlantic did an article on this in 2023. Quote: The reason doesn't really matter to Hearn.

Speaker 34 Hearn believes the viability of fetus is determined not by gestational age, but by a woman's willingness to carry it.

Speaker 34 And so now this new clinic is going to become one of an estimated five U.S.

Speaker 34 clinics offering abortions up to 34 weeks of gestation, which is 10 weeks after fetal viability, where that child can live on its own outside of the womb. It's so disgusting.
It's amazing to me.

Speaker 34 Colorado has no limits whatsoever. And one pro-life woman posted this video.

Speaker 34 Allie,

Speaker 34 her name is Lydia Taylor Davis, and she's part of Students for Life. She called one of these abortion clinics.

Speaker 34 I don't know which one, just to see what they would say if she was like inquiring about getting an abortion at 34 weeks. A warning to the audience, this is disturbing.
Here it is.

Speaker 51 I'm going to help you. I'm looking to have an abortion.
How about a long run? I'm 34 right now. My boyfriend is kind of out of the picture now, so I don't really have any support.

Speaker 52 It's a four to five day procedure. A needle is inserted through the abdomen and into the fetal heart.

Speaker 45 Lidocaine is injected, and that will completely numb the fetus. After that, we inject a medication called digoxin and another medication called KCL, which will slow and then stop the fetal heartbeat.

Speaker 52 And then we'll give you a medication called mesoprostal.

Speaker 52 Mesoprostyl will sort of induce contraction, will assist you in sort of pushing in the induction, and then remove all of the products of conception.

Speaker 52 You're definitely going to feel discomfort and cramping, but we do give you fentanyl and versed during the procedure. We specialize in later trimester care.

Speaker 52 Our doctor is very well versed in what he's doing and he's very good.

Speaker 51 So I'm not like a rare situation. Y'all help women this late in pregnancy all the time? All the time.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 34 What stuck

Speaker 34 what jumped out at me there, Alibeth, was the products of conception. We'll make sure the products of conception are out of you.

Speaker 50 Yes, they have to euphemize before they euthanize this child because they know that saying what they're doing, killing this child, just isn't good PR. It's not good messaging.

Speaker 50 So they've had to dehumanize what a baby in the womb is so much so that people will be calloused when they hear about abortion. And I just want to decode something there.

Speaker 50 That woman on the other end said, we inject something called KCL. KCL stands for potassium chloride.

Speaker 50 Potassium chloride is the same chemical combination that is used in the lethal injection of death row inmates to stop their heart.

Speaker 50 However, of course, how that is conducted on death row inmates is actually a lot more merciful because they are put to sleep before this.

Speaker 50 But for a child, that is injected to the heart, into the heart of the baby, this wiggling living human being, injected into their heart to force cardiac arrest, to force a painful heart attack in this baby.

Speaker 50 And then they are delivered and dismembered and discarded like toxic waste.

Speaker 50 That is what is happening in the second and third trimester abortions that they're acting like it's no big deal, just like a root canal.

Speaker 34 Oh my God. I mean, I hate to even ask this, but what, what do they do with the remains of 34 week old babies who are killed like that by their own mothers? Like there's no burial.

Speaker 34 There's no, they're not going to a cemetery. I mean, are they treated like medical waste?

Speaker 50 They're treated like medical waste, or in some cases, from what we've seen from investigations over the years, they are donated to science.

Speaker 50 We know this actually, the NIH has talked about funding that kind of research before, and they'll say, oh, you know, it's an elective abortion, so it's no big deal.

Speaker 50 But of course, there probably is some kind of monetary incentive there. I don't think we really truly know just how dark this industry is.

Speaker 50 I mean, if you're willing to kill a child, I don't think that you have any moral limits that would stop you from profiting off of that.

Speaker 1 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 34 Mm-hmm. It's amazing, like the procedure we just discussed and potassium chloride injected into the baby's heart by its mother, by his or her own mother.

Speaker 34 It's just so dark when you actually frame it in real terms, which you're never afraid to do. You've been so good on this issue.

Speaker 34 You actually went on that show surrounded, which Charlie went on, Ben Shapiro's gone on. They asked me to go on there, Ellie, but I was like, I'm not going on there.
That's crazy talk.

Speaker 34 I'm not doing it.

Speaker 34 So I hats off to you for taking on the challenge you're very brave and you're an expert on this like you're so good on this issue and um you took on 20 young people who were very pro-choice and here's a little bit of how that went in sop 15.

Speaker 53 when the majority of abortions happen which is in the first six weeks of pregnancy that fetus has not developed pain receptors that doesn't happen till maybe at the earliest 10 weeks, Ellie.

Speaker 50 So are you saying that we're

Speaker 50 not going to be able to do that? Is killing only wrong if if someone can feel pain?

Speaker 53 It's wrong for you to characterize it as violent

Speaker 34 painful when it's not.

Speaker 50 It is violent. There are a lot of people who are murdered who can't feel it.
Are you saying that that murder is justified because they can't feel it? No, we're talking about abortion.

Speaker 1 We're not talking about something else.

Speaker 53 We're talking about abortion. Abortion is...

Speaker 53 health care for women who need it, who have unwanted pregnancy.

Speaker 50 That's less than 1% of all abortions.

Speaker 50 If I said to you, okay, fine, we will only allow, which this is not my position, but if I said we will only allow abortion in those 1% of cases in which it's rape or incest, would you agree with me to ban the rest of abortions?

Speaker 53 The denial of abortion health care to women is 100% harmful to the woman who absolutely loves the body.

Speaker 50 Abortion is 100% harmful to the child.

Speaker 34 Well done. So not to college students in that instance, but progressives who are opposed to you on the issue.

Speaker 34 And that guy was, I don't know what that guy's stake in it was, but boy, oh boy, he really wanted those babies killed.

Speaker 50 Yes, he was very worked up. That was such an experience.
It was actually the day before Charlie's memorial. I was working on very little sleep.
I was sad.

Speaker 50 There was so much stress and I wanted to cancel. But one of the last conversations that Charlie and I had was about Jubilee.
He loved Jubilee. He loved debating.
As we all know, he was the best at it.

Speaker 50 And he had sent me probably 40 texts in a row saying, this is what you need to do. This is how you need to go in there.
This is the strategy. And I really carried that with me.
I really did.

Speaker 50 And I felt like, of course, I'm trying to do this for the glory of God. I'm trying to do this for conservatives and Christians.

Speaker 50 But I really felt like also, I want to do this for Charlie because I know that if he were here, he would say, you cannot cancel this. You have to go in there.
You have to go in the lion's den.

Speaker 50 So yeah, I was, I was very, very grateful. And actually the first person who sat down, they didn't show this in the final cut, but he was so sweet.

Speaker 50 He sat down and he said, I am so sorry about your friend, Charlie. And that completely changed the tone of the entire debate.

Speaker 50 And yeah, it really did kind of just endear me to them and made it easier to debate them in some way. That's great.

Speaker 34 That's amazing. Can I ask you something, Allie? Because you've been so good on your faith.
You're just like Charlie in that regard. You could quote scripture with the best of them.

Speaker 34 What have you been doing to get through like the grief around Charlie's death? Like,

Speaker 34 what do you turn to? Does it ever cause you to question your faith? Like, how have you been experiencing these last seven weeks?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 50 Gosh. You know, the last time I was on was the day that Charlie was murdered.
I was on that morning talking about what I thought would be the saddest story of the day, and that's Irina Zaruska.

Speaker 50 I had already, all three of us, you, me, and Megan Basham, had all been on the verge of tears, if not actively crying, watching this terrible footage.

Speaker 50 I finished our interview and I got in the car to go to the doctor's appointment. And I got a text from my publicist saying Charlie Kirk has been shot.

Speaker 50 And I just thought, okay, that's not, that's not, that's not real. She heard that or like he was shot in the arm or something crazy, which is obviously terrible.
But I called our mutual friend.

Speaker 50 And as soon as he picked up the phone, he wasn't even talking. He was crying.
And I was like, oh, okay. This is real.
And of course, I turned around, broke down. My husband and I, who worked together.

Speaker 50 So we were were both home, just completely lost it, praying. And of course, everything that everyone was doing.

Speaker 50 And I was just, I can't even imagine how Erica felt infinity times more than you and I felt. But man, I've just been so distraught in so many ways.

Speaker 50 Of course, it's gotten better for us, those of us who are more removed, but there are still days where it just catches me in my throat or it hits me in the gut.

Speaker 50 And I just find myself on the verge of tears when you were playing that video of his daughter saying, Daddy, Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 50 I mean, I can't even say it, not only because of how sad that is for them, but also because, you know, I've got a six, four, and two-year-old daughters myself. And it's like their voice.

Speaker 50 It sounds like them. And I'm just, I'm just so sad and so devastated.
And you asked if it makes me doubt. I mean, of course, there are times that I question, like,

Speaker 50 why,

Speaker 50 why him, or why this?

Speaker 50 Why now? Why would you allow this to happen? And then I go to the memorial and I saw you there very briefly.

Speaker 50 And I don't know about you, but I felt maybe more tangibly than I've ever felt, like just the presence of the Holy Spirit.

Speaker 50 There was this moment when the worship team was playing and it was just instrumental, which I learned was totally spontaneous. And everyone started holding out their Charlie Kirk signs that said,

Speaker 50 send me, I'll go, or here I am, send me, which is a Bible Bible verse from Isaiah. And I just, it felt like this out-of-body spiritual experience.

Speaker 50 And while this is not always a satisfying answer, because it's still so tragic and seemingly premature and sad, I'm like, oh,

Speaker 50 okay, God is doing something.

Speaker 50 I don't know exactly what it is, but I know that Bible sales are up. I know that people are going back to church.

Speaker 50 I know that I personally have had more opportunities to share the gospel than I maybe ever have in my entire life, just in the past few weeks, more questions from people who say, I used to hate you.

Speaker 50 I used to hate Charlie's message, but now I want to know what he died for.

Speaker 50 And so it doesn't make it any less sad. And even Jesus wept when his friend Lazarus died.
But I do know that God is in the business of redemption.

Speaker 50 that he brings beauty out of ashes, that he brings light into darkness and hope when it seems like we have every reason to despair.

Speaker 50 And so I know he's doing something bigger and better than what I would do or what I can see. And that is faith.
Faith is the assurance of things hoped for.

Speaker 50 It's the confidence in the things that we cannot see.

Speaker 50 He doesn't spell it out for us. He doesn't show us what it's going to look like.

Speaker 50 But I do see now clearly that Charlie, he had to work as hard as he did. and get up as early as he did and work as many days as he did because God knew that he would die at 31.

Speaker 50 So he had a limited time to get it all done. That's not what all of us are called to, but that's the pace that he had to go on his race because he was going to die early.

Speaker 50 And thank the Lord, he finished really well.

Speaker 34 Did you see the text messages that Candace Owens posted? between her and Charlie from, I think it, I think she said it was 2018. So it was, you know, a few years back.

Speaker 34 But they were chilling because they showed that Charlie knew he was likely to die early. Like he was openly texting with her back then that he has nightmares about how it's going to end.

Speaker 34 Like he, he, he felt pretty sure he knew how it was going to end. I'm trying to see if I have it on my phone because I think I grabbed it.

Speaker 34 I screen grabbed it because I was so like, oh my god, this is shocking.

Speaker 50 I did see that. That is extremely chilling.

Speaker 34 Oh, here, I have it. Stand by.
Okay.

Speaker 34 He wrote for for the listening audience,

Speaker 34 this is per Candace in a text exchange she posted.

Speaker 34 He writes, you are going to be the iron,

Speaker 34 Kanye, you are going to be the Iron Lady of America. I see it so freaking clearly.
I might be Moses, though. I might not see this whole thing through, L-M-A-O.

Speaker 34 If that is the case, be my David. She wrote, dude, you don't even realize your power yet.
He responded, if I tell you the true prophecy, I know in my gut, it's really sad, but I hope it's wrong.

Speaker 34 And then he went on to say as follows, anyway, I'm not sure if I will live to see the end of this revolution. I believe you are the peace God meant me to meet that will finish the fight.

Speaker 34 Since the beginning of Turning Point USA, I knew in my gut that I might get wiped out at any time. I cannot explain it, but I dream about it all the time, like all the time.

Speaker 34 Anyway, that's a depressing conversation for another time.

Speaker 34 Right, he says. And then he finally says, I'm not really afraid of it, but I'm just telling you what I know to be true.
That is,

Speaker 34 I'd never heard Charlie talk like that. I didn't realize he knew, like, I knew he was coming under increasing security threats, Ali, but that really does show you, frankly, how brave he was

Speaker 34 and also how insane the left has gotten. for a long, long time.

Speaker 50 Yeah.

Speaker 50 And you know, it kind of dispels, I think, a lot of the rumors or innuendo innuendo that is, have surrounded him and the cause of his death over the last few months, because we've been hearing, oh, it was only in the last few months that Charlie started feeling this pressure and he felt like, oh my gosh, they're going to hurt me.

Speaker 50 Well, this goes to show actually he felt that seven years ago. And I don't know why he would have had, you know, that intuition, except for maybe God at least was telling him, hey.

Speaker 50 We got, we got things to do. Okay.
You don't have that much time. I mean, that's really haunting.
I don't think any of us would like to hear that message.

Speaker 50 But what a man that Charlie was, that instead of saying, okay, I'm out. That's, I think, what most of us would do.

Speaker 50 If we had this premonition that we're going to be slaughtered, most of us would stop talking. Most of us would get out of the fight and say, I'm going to go be an accountant.
I'm going to stay home.

Speaker 50 He could have done that. He was so smart.
He could have made a lot of money in business doing whatever he wanted to.

Speaker 50 But he knew as well as a finite human could that, okay, I think I'm going to die for this. And he went even harder.
Like he went even more.

Speaker 50 He went into the lion's den more often. I mean, that is the kind of courage that I think most of us don't have.

Speaker 50 And a kind of faith in God that, okay, I don't know what this looks like, but I'm just going to follow you, even though it's really scary. It actually reminds me of Jesus.

Speaker 50 And I'm not saying that Charlie Kirk is Jesus. I'm just saying this reminds me of when Jesus is about to go to the cross and he knows what's about to happen.
And he's in the garden of Gethsemane.

Speaker 50 And he says, Jesus, who is God? He says, Father, please take this cup from me. Like, I don't want it.
I don't want to suffer in this way. Yet, not my will, but your will be done.

Speaker 50 And again, Charlie is not the savior, but all of us as Christians are called to do that. Lord, I don't know what this looks like, but you're calling me to do it.

Speaker 50 And I'm just going to obey you and trust you. And he knew, like

Speaker 50 Charlie knew that the cost was worth it. And that's amazing.

Speaker 34 Yeah, it really is extraordinary. All great points.

Speaker 34 Not everyone shares this commitment to faith. Some people find it worthy of mocking.
And that leads me to former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who is in the news today for the following soundbite.

Speaker 34 She's such an odd, strange, nasty person. Here is SOT 13.

Speaker 34 Do you agree with apparently a big swath of Americans, according to our last election, that Democrats pushed the country too far to the left, specifically on cultural issues?

Speaker 55 No, I don't agree with that at all. I think that we are a reflection of our country.
We are a beautiful, diverse country.

Speaker 55 And if they find that offensive with their DEI initiatives and they want to sell it as we're also left, it's ridiculous. So they're undermining our culture.

Speaker 55 Look, there's certain people in the country who don't want to see they don't want to see women, LGBTQ, people of color, immigrants

Speaker 55 taking their place in anything.

Speaker 55 and that's just the way it is that's

Speaker 55 that's not america's problem so we respect everybody in our country so for them to be saying what they're saying about people is like and you're people of faith you're people of faith you go to church on sunday and pray on church on sunday and pray on people the rest of the week what is this

Speaker 34 She slipped into a little fake southern accent there. You're going to pray on Sunday? And then what is it? You're people of faith?

Speaker 1 She, okay.

Speaker 34 Your thoughts on her and not challenging the faithfulness of those on the right, who she thinks just want to get rid of people who don't look like them.

Speaker 50 Look, if Democrats represented America, those are her words as a quote, then they would have won the election.

Speaker 50 Then they wouldn't have had a problem winning the election because they would have had the majority of the vote, but they didn't. They didn't just lose the electoral vote.

Speaker 50 They lost the popular vote too. So that means you don't represent the values of most of America.

Speaker 50 Maybe there is a tiny sliver percentage of people who hate all of those categories that she just listed. They're not enough to win an election.

Speaker 50 I don't even think they're enough to influence an election. So this is what the internet calls a cope.
She is coping. Instead of being self-aware and saying, how can we win the next election?

Speaker 50 How can we change? How can we moderate? She's not even attempting to do that.

Speaker 34 Right. And she's basically ignoring

Speaker 34 the question was about polls that have just come out showing that the Democrat Party has realized that it's gone too far to the left.

Speaker 34 And Democrats think in particular on immigration and crime, like this massive survey that they did of tens of thousands of Democrats, that they've gone too far left in particular on immigration and on crime, but also on social issues.

Speaker 34 So the reporter is basically saying, do you agree? And she manages to twist it into a

Speaker 34 right-wing people are threatened by black and brown people and anyone who doesn't look like them. while lying about their faith.

Speaker 34 Okay, okay. So this is a woman who very much favors abortion and going to church and taking communion.
Okay. All right.
I don't think she should be our teacher on matters of faith. Okay.

Speaker 34 Let's keep going because I've got to ask you about Glamour.

Speaker 34 Glamour UK, it's a women's magazine and they are presenting their Women of the Year awards.

Speaker 34 And I realize no one really cares what Glamour thinks, but this one's so egregious, it's worthy of a mention.

Speaker 34 On the cover of Glamour UK is not,

Speaker 34 well, I'll show you the cover. For listening audience, we have nine people here who look like women, sort of, in skimpy little shirts

Speaker 34 that read something about the dolls. And it says, protect the dolls, protect the dolls.
And it's not like, see if you can find the trans person in here. They're all trans.

Speaker 34 All nine of these people are men pretending to be women. And the cover literally reads women of the year.

Speaker 34 And then they go through and do interviews with these women who are,

Speaker 34 I guess, fine with the protect the dolls slogan. One of them objected, but everybody else seemed fine with it.

Speaker 1 Here's one, Munya.

Speaker 34 She's a model in London. He, he is a model in London.

Speaker 34 There's a level of privilege whiteness provides for dark-skinned black people, including, or then he says, for dark-skinned black people, including in fashion, it's also harder for us to access the opportunities than our white counterparts.

Speaker 34 So this guy's got it all going on.

Speaker 1 I'm black.

Speaker 34 I'm a man pretending to be a woman. And I object to white privilege and also women privilege, which I want to have but can't.

Speaker 34 Uh, then there's a there's another one, Belle Priestley, who says, One big thing you would really like to see change for quote trans women, Belle would like the following to change: I'd love the narrative to be changed around dating us, particularly for guys.

Speaker 34 It's not a crime to fancy trans women, meaning men. It's not a negative thing.
The stigma makes our lives hell

Speaker 34 that like straight white guys don't want to go to bed with these people. And here's the last one I'll read to you.

Speaker 34 This person goes by Maya Memi, who's a DJ and musician in London, and says the following: I think people just need to understand: not only are we human, most of us are batter than everyone else.

Speaker 34 Put some respect on it, bitch.

Speaker 1 I look better than you.

Speaker 34 I dress better than you. I smell better than you.
Please learn that and understand that. One of Glamour's potential, quote, women of the the year.
Thoughts on that?

Speaker 50 Yeah, that's definitely a woman. I want to share a bathroom with my daughters.
Sounds lovely.

Speaker 50 Okay, gosh, I've just got so many thoughts on this. So, a doll is a fake woman.
Are they trying to be on the nose, like protect the dolls? Are they like a fake woman like a doll?

Speaker 50 I'm just not totally sure what the positive PR messaging is surrounding that. I just find this very disturbing.

Speaker 50 You know, the UK has made some really good advances in recognizing that, you know, things like puberty blockers are dangerous for children.

Speaker 50 They're dangerous for everyone, should not be given to adolescents.

Speaker 50 And yet, this media company is hoisting up this absolute delusion that a man can be born in the wrong body and can be a woman by declaration, and that we should submit to that.

Speaker 50 That women should submit to no man except for the man who puts himself in a skirt and comes into my bathroom. No, thank you.

Speaker 34 Okay, that leads leads me, last but certainly not least, to Sidney Sweeney, who is all woman, real woman, actual woman, and absolutely stunning. So she was on the red carpet.

Speaker 34 What was she on the red carpet for? I can't remember what she was doing there, but she was on the red carpet last night and

Speaker 34 she decided to show off her number one asset, which contrary to the American Eagle jeans ad,

Speaker 34 is not really her jeans. It's her enormous breasts, which are spectacular.
No one would take that away from her. But controversial opinion, Allie.

Speaker 34 I object to this. I disapprove of the dress she wore because it's completely see-through.
You can see her entire like nipples. She reminded me of Kim Kardashian,

Speaker 34 you know, who over-shares and then takes away like the thing that is the sexiest, which is like, every guy's hoping to be the one who actually sees them for real and leaving a little to the imagination.

Speaker 34 Now, I know this is being universally celebrated online, but I have to say, even though Sydney Sweeney fan loved the jeans campaign, I thought this is a rare misstep. Your thoughts?

Speaker 50 Yeah, I mean, she's absolutely beautiful and no one, no one at all is trying to deny that. But

Speaker 50 I mean, I am definitely pro-modesty. It's not that I'm pro-Burqa, but I think that we should do everything we can to like draw the eyes to the beauty of the face.

Speaker 50 There's nothing wrong with a womanly figure. I think that God made it and it is beautiful.
And there's a way to dress that with dignity and respect. But I feel like we could draw the line at Areola.

Speaker 50 Like, I don't know.

Speaker 34 Like, I just feel like maybe- Draw the line at Areola. That's definitely the rule.

Speaker 50 Make t-shirts, Megan. Sell them in your merch shop, please.

Speaker 34 So walk me through this, because I actually am curious. We've seen this as a growing trend among these Hollywood celebrities.
And it's always a very beautiful woman.

Speaker 34 I will say, unlike going to the beaches of France, where the nude people are always gross old men, the women who take it all off for these photo shoots in America do tend to have the rocket bodies.

Speaker 34 And I get it. Like, was it that Irina Shank or whatever?

Speaker 34 I don't want to wrongfully disparage the model who was like walking across the hotel lobby at Cannes, France, in nothing by saying the wrong one. But we've seen this.

Speaker 34 Then the Kanye wife pictures, Bianca Sensori showing up literally naked at the Grammys.

Speaker 34 More and more Lauren Sanchez going out in like an outfit that's just pure lace,

Speaker 34 strategically covering only a couple of things.

Speaker 1 Why?

Speaker 34 Why do these otherwise stunning women who would get plenty of attention just by wearing like a great, a well-styled dress and having their hair and makeup, you know, done right, why do they feel the need to take it here?

Speaker 50 I think there are so many answers for this.

Speaker 50 I think maybe on an individual level, it's probably as superficial as just liking the attention, liking how they look in the mirror, knowing that they are going to be written positively about.

Speaker 50 And maybe Sidney Sweeney has just been like, okay, I'm going to be a lightning rod and I'm going to cause controversy. Maybe her PR people have decided that that's a good thing.

Speaker 50 On a macro cultural level, you could say that it is like a big pendulum swing to the other side. On the one hand, you have, oh, men can be women.
There is no definition of a woman.

Speaker 50 Femininity is something that is weak and a white cis hetero woman should never be on the cover of any magazine.

Speaker 50 So maybe it's a little bit of a swing of Sidney Sweeney saying, you know what, I'm hot and I know I'm hot. I know people think I'm hot and I don't really care.

Speaker 50 So you could kind of analyze it in two different ways, but you know, Occam's razor, it's probably the most obvious thing. It's probably just because she likes how she looks.

Speaker 34 No, you're right. I'd much rather look at Sidney Sweeney in a sheer dress at whatever event this was than look at nine fake women on the cover of UK Glamour.
Much rather.

Speaker 34 I guess I just want like for my daughter, you know, I want her her to look at amazing women like that and say i can be totally sexy when that time comes in my life with an appropriate outfit on like i don't actually have to show areola in order to get male attention or feel gorgeous or sexy i don't know i mean i no i i kind of think she might have been misled into it that's my bet because

Speaker 34 Like when I did a saucy photo shoot one time for, it was GQ, I think it was GQ.

Speaker 34 And when I turned 40, but I it was like what I wore was appropriate it was just a slip dress that's all it was it I did not show anything close to Areola and I never would but I think probably she's very young I think she's only like 26 and I guarantee you somebody brought the dress to her and was like now we'll take it next level and she trusted the wrong person and before you knew it you know we had all seen it and

Speaker 34 she'll she's not gonna hurt her at all it's just people like us who I think were becoming her new fans who are like

Speaker 34 okay that wasn't that wasn't the move.

Speaker 50 No. And self-objectification is still objectification.
And look, like, I think all porn is bad. I think it's horrible.
I think it's bad for people.

Speaker 50 And I think this kind of thing is making it even more difficult for the honorable men out there who said, you know, I'm not going to look at porn. I'm not going to go to porn websites.
It's bad.

Speaker 50 That addiction is horrible. It ruins relationships and sexuality and all of that.

Speaker 50 Well, this makes it, things like this make it even more difficult because now you don't even have to go to a porn porn site.

Speaker 50 All you have to do is log on to X or open up Instagram or something like that. And you've got Sidney Sweeney with her full titties out.
And that is just like, that's just tough. That's just tough.

Speaker 50 And for those of us who don't want to see it, like I didn't, you know, none of us chose to see something like that. And now the fullness of someone's nakedness is on display.
I don't like it.

Speaker 34 There is fullness. That's for sure.
I did not have Allie Beth Stucky saying titties in my life.

Speaker 50 I probably shouldn't have, Megan. You probably brought it out in me.
i'm by the way

Speaker 50 saying that it's not good

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Speaker 34 New Jersey has long been a blue state, with Democrats winning most elections easily. The last time the state voted for a Republican for U.S.
Senator was 1972.

Speaker 34 The last time the state voted for a Republican president was George H.W. Bush in 1988.

Speaker 34 Republican Chris Christie made national news when he was elected governor in the Garden State in 2009 and then again in 2013, but that did not end well.

Speaker 34 Republican Jack Chittarelli shocked many when he lost to the incumbent Democrat governor Phil Murphy back in 2021 by just three points. All of us were like, what? Three?

Speaker 34 That's an amazing feat in the state of New Jersey. Well, Chittarelli is once again the Republican nominee for governor.

Speaker 34 And with his opponent, Mikey Sherrill, mired in multiple scandals and the state struggling, MK Media's own Mark Halperin, host of Next Next Up with Mark Halperin, says Chittarelli has a real chance of victory here.

Speaker 37 All the issues he raises, energy costs, traffic congestion,

Speaker 37 jobs, all these things are problems in taxes, all these things are problems in New Jersey.

Speaker 37 So I think that message not just fits the mood of the state and is what the same kinds of things that got Chris Christie elected.

Speaker 37 So even though it's become a very blue state, they haven't elected a Republican senator in forever

Speaker 37 or voted for a Republican for president, I think think, since Bush 43 or 41.

Speaker 37 They did like Chris Christie not long ago on all the same kind of themes, corruption in Trenton, economics out of whack, et cetera.

Speaker 37 So I agree with Dan that Chitterelli's momentum is not what it was, but no one I know in either party who works in the state familiar with this race, no one would be surprised if Chitterelli won.

Speaker 37 No one.

Speaker 1 Ah.

Speaker 34 Here with me now, Jack Chitterelli himself. Jack, so nice to meet you.
Thanks for coming on.

Speaker 59 Thanks for having me on, Megan. And on Tuesday, I'm going to make you a true believer.
We're going to win this race.

Speaker 34 Oh, shoot it in my veins. How? How exactly are you going to do it? The polls are tightening, and I've been very encouraged by the latest polls, but how do you get it over the finish line?

Speaker 59 First of all, Megan, the polls that we trust, including Emerson this morning, have it as literally a dead heat. There's a couple that have me up by a point or two.

Speaker 59 Listen, people across the state are ticked off after eight years of failed policies of the current administration, all of which have been endorsed by my opponent. She's not from New Jersey.

Speaker 59 She hasn't been able to answer the most basic questions. And as you mentioned at the very beginning, there's been a number of scandals that call into question her character.

Speaker 59 We're just going to continue to get out there. And don't forget, the majority party in New Jersey are the 2.5 million unaffiliated, independent voters that lean right.

Speaker 59 And this time they favor Chettarelli.

Speaker 34 What if they haven't registered? Is there any way to still register to vote in New Jersey before Tuesday or no?

Speaker 59 We don't have same-day registration here in New Jersey, and that's not something I support. What I do support is voter ID, and that's something I'll champion once we win.

Speaker 34 Well, if you are registered, get up off of your couch, get up, get up. We can actually get a Republican running the state and restore order or some sort of decency to New Jersey.

Speaker 34 I want to show one thing that is personal to yours truly, because I do spend every summer in New Jersey. I'm a homeowner there.

Speaker 34 This is small ball, but I think everybody watching this will understand our frustration. This is from a report that aired on Fox News.
Fox News is Brian Yenis.

Speaker 34 I don't know how to pronounce his last name. Forgive me.
Yeah. Reporting today.
Watch this.

Speaker 60 Now, Chitterelli also says he's been surprised by how fired up voters are over a sleeper issue potentially in this campaign.

Speaker 60 His plan to get rid of the state's plastic bag and single-use paper bag ban.

Speaker 34 Yes.

Speaker 34 Come out of the store with a bunch of items and you got to purchase a new bag. It's really ridiculous.
It's so silly.

Speaker 44 My car is filled with all those other kind of bags and they're not biodegradable.

Speaker 34 It's definitely a struggle when you need to find a plastic bag.

Speaker 61 They don't exist anymore but I think that's a good thing. It's not a bad thing.

Speaker 57 They are not single-use bags. I use them all the time for all sorts of stuff and I recycle when they are finished.
So what is the problem?

Speaker 50 We need plastic bags back.

Speaker 34 We do.

Speaker 60 We spoke to voters all over New Jersey, Harris. It is a hot topic.
People love to talk about. Chitterelli says it's his number one applause line, it seems like, at his rallies.

Speaker 60 Cheryl says she wants to keep the band, so we'll see.

Speaker 34 This could win you, New Jersey.

Speaker 59 It could. So she's doubled down on the Green New Deal that the current governor has put in place that has two things that people can't stand.
The first is the plastic bag ban.

Speaker 59 We're getting rid of that. And the second thing is wind farms off the Jersey Shore.

Speaker 1 If the current governor

Speaker 59 and my opponent were from New Jersey, they'd know that the Jersey Shore is Sanchrosan. And we're not going to have wind farms off our Jersey shore.

Speaker 59 We will lower the cost of electricity by pulling out of Reggie, but we're not gonna have wind farms off the Jersey Shore when I'm governor.

Speaker 34 It's bad enough when you go to the grocery store and you have to buy all those new allegedly recyclable bags like that you bought the last time, but you forgot to bring them in with you.

Speaker 34 But let me say this. Try going to Bed Bath and Beyond or one of those stores where you have to get like big things and a lot of them, you know, like...
dish towels or bath mats, whatever.

Speaker 34 Like I had to do this past summer. And they won't give you a bag.
It's like either they let you take the cart directly to your car or not. But then when you get home,

Speaker 34 you need a bag. It's like, what's so wrong with plastic bags? I love that you've made this an issue.

Speaker 34 Now talk to me about your opponent's military history because she's not even been consistent on the story.

Speaker 34 And I have to say, I smell a rat in her story about why she didn't walk in her graduation from the Naval Academy.

Speaker 59 Megan, she's changed her story three times, which strongly suggests she's not telling the truth. But listen, She could very easily come clean by approving the release of her disciplinary records.

Speaker 59 Only she can do that. If what she's telling us is the truth, the disciplinary records will confirm that.
But there's a pattern here, Megan.

Speaker 59 She wasn't allowed to walk at her naval graduation at the Naval Academy.

Speaker 59 And by the way, she's built her entire political brand about her attendance at the Naval Academy, but now we know that she was severely punished.

Speaker 59 She violated federal law while in the Congress when it came to stock trades and stock reporting. And she tripled her net worth in only six years' time in the Congress, but can't explain how.

Speaker 59 I mean, come on, who wouldn't know if they made $7 million?

Speaker 34 Yes, she does seem a little befuddled on whether she made money or how. Do we have that with the Charlemagne Exchange? It's one of our assemblies I'm trying to look.

Speaker 34 Yeah, SAP 31. Let's listen.

Speaker 62 So when Newsmax claims that you made $7 million from stock trades, what are they talking about?

Speaker 56 Newsmax is, first of all, a very questionable organization that is paying multiple fines. I'm not sure what they're talking about.

Speaker 62 Well, did you make 7 million in stock trades at all?

Speaker 1 I haven't

Speaker 56 believed I did, but I'd have to go see what that was alluding to. Again, what kind of came from.

Speaker 53 It was a report in the...

Speaker 56 No, I know it's from Newsmax, which again, I.

Speaker 62 I did another one in the Washington Free Beacon, which is a conservative-leaning platform, but they said you had increased from between $733,209 to over $4 million in 2019, and then between $4 million to 13 million in 2024.

Speaker 62 So that's where they got the 7 million increase.

Speaker 30 Just the average out of 200.

Speaker 56 They averaged out that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Look,

Speaker 56 both my husband and I come from very middle-class families. My parents were the first in their family to go to college and his were both teachers.
And then we both went into the military.

Speaker 56 And afterwards, he got a good job. And

Speaker 56 we've been really lucky.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 34 She's much happier playing the destitution derby card, but she's a multi-millionaire who won't own up to exactly how or when she got the funds.

Speaker 59 Exactly. And she should know something about paying fines.
She had to pay them for breaking federal law. It's embarrassing and it's a disqualifier.

Speaker 59 She's been going all around saying she'll be the most transparent candidate and governor ever, but yet she's not transparent about her own personal situation that has been legitimately called into question.

Speaker 59 And by the way, Megan, the New York Times reports that while she's sitting on the House Armed Services Committee, she's trading defense stocks. I mean, are you kidding me?

Speaker 34 It's so unethical. The issue of boys playing in girls' sports is another clear dividing line between you and this Mikey Cheryl.
She favors it. She wants to allow this to keep happening.

Speaker 59 This mother of two daughters voted yes twice. to allow biological boys to participate in girls sports.
That's an 80-20 issue.

Speaker 59 And I just find this so hypocritical because you and I both know the Democrats will always talk about their defense of women.

Speaker 59 Well, you're undermining Title IX by allowing biological boys to participate in girls' sports.

Speaker 59 But this is somebody that also supports one of Phil Murphy's policies, our current governor, where school districts keep secrets from parents, which I think is immoral, indecent, wrong, and dangerous.

Speaker 59 If we really care about kids, stop allowing biological boys in girls' sports, and we're getting rid of policy 57, 56. No more keeping secrets from parents when I'm governor.

Speaker 34 Before you came on, we were talking about how Colorado and New Jersey, New Jersey are now the only two states in the Union, thanks to Phil Murphy,

Speaker 34 that are allowing abortion on demand all the way through the 40th week of pregnancy. It's crazy.

Speaker 34 So I have two questions for you. Number one,

Speaker 34 what would you do about that now law in New Jersey if you became governor? And number two, how do you get a state that's crazy enough to actually pass that?

Speaker 34 You know, they had to have state lawmakers involved. Phil Murphy had to sign off on it to vote for a Republican.

Speaker 59 Yeah, first let me say, Megan, that back at 21, with that very close race that I lost, you alluded to, you know, I flipped eight seats in the state legislature, and that was with wind in my face.

Speaker 59 We got some serious wind in our back this time. I could flip 13 seats.
And when we do that, we'll have something we haven't had in 25 years, a Republican majority in our state legislature.

Speaker 59 But listen, I'm going to fight like hell to make sure there are not late-term abortions. Taxpayer dollars are not.

Speaker 59 paying for abortions, but most of all, parental notification, something else my opponent does not support.

Speaker 59 I mean, in New Jersey, you can't get your ears pierced under the age of 18 without the permission of your parents.

Speaker 59 And yet a 15, 16, or 17-year-old woman is going to get an abortion and not have parents be notified. Another one of those 80-20 issues here in New Jersey that I'm going to fight like hell for.

Speaker 34 The thing is, New Jersey does have large pockets of red.

Speaker 34 It's kind of like California in that it's almost uniformly blue when you look at who's running it, who are the elected lawmakers, but it has large pockets of red.

Speaker 34 You know, trust me, like Jersey Shore, Atlantic City, You go there, you're overwhelmed with Trump flags. So there are Republicans, long-suffering Republicans in the state of New Jersey.

Speaker 34 She's trying to depress your turnout by suggesting you killed people. That's where she went because you ran this medical company that put out materials involving opioids that downplayed the risks back

Speaker 34 at a time when a lot of people didn't understand. But in any event, here was the attack she launched on you at the debate.
It was Sot 34. Let's watch it.

Speaker 1 I got to talk about

Speaker 56 my college graduate.

Speaker 56 Even during, even

Speaker 56 though 200 seconds that you then went on to kill tens of thousands of people in New Jersey, including children

Speaker 56 as they got, you just broke the law. In fact, your campaign right now is under federal investigation for how you illegally got access to my records.

Speaker 56 So to say that right now, and I think you're trying to divert from the fact that you killed tens of thousands of people by printing your misinformation, your propaganda, and then getting paid to develop an app so that people could more easily get the opioids once they were addicted.

Speaker 34 How do you respond to that?

Speaker 59 Megan, it is a baseless, reckless lie from a desperate candidate who felt the heat from the Naval Academy revelations and the revelations about her net worth and breaking federal law and stock trades.

Speaker 59 She cracked. But I'll tell you what, that one's going to end her up in court.
We'll be filing a defamation suit real soon on that one. And you want to talk about hypocrisy.

Speaker 59 Guess what we found out 48 hours after she made those baseless claims? That she took massive campaign contributions from the the very same company she was accusing me of colluding with.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 34 Okay, let's talk horse race because we want to give people a realistic assessment of where things are. You mentioned the Emerson poll, which now has this dead heat, which is amazing, amazing.

Speaker 34 But New Jersey has early voting too, and we have to look at that. And it sounds like so far,

Speaker 34 I'm a little worried about the early voting. Explain to me why I shouldn't be because here's my producer with it, with the glass half-empty take.
Democrats, again, won the early person vote,

Speaker 34 in-person vote on Tuesday. You had won it on Monday, but they took it back on Tuesday.
Republicans still behind in the overall

Speaker 34 early in-person vote. Republicans actually won the early in-person vote in 2024, and Trump still lost New Jersey to Harris.
So that's scary.

Speaker 34 You look at the mail-in vote, Dems are up 26.4 points over the GOP. in the early in-person plus mail-in vote.
So what this tells me is that you really need them to show up on Election Day in droves.

Speaker 34 You walk me off the cliff.

Speaker 59 Okay, first of all, keep in mind with regard to the polls that show this literally as a dead heat, that traditionally, historically speaking, Republicans under poll in this state because we're outnumbered by so many Democrats.

Speaker 59 But the other thing to keep in mind is back in 2021, I beat Phil Murphy, the current governor, on Election Day, in-person voting on the machines by 250,000.

Speaker 59 So if we're going into Election Day somewhat tied based on the vote-by-mail ballots that have been returned and early voting, nine days of early voting, we're in really good shape.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay.

Speaker 34 I see your point. Yes, you just need to keep, you're not expecting to win the mail-in vote and the early vote as a Republican.

Speaker 34 You just have to keep the margin tight enough that your day of vote will put you over the edge.

Speaker 59 I'm not ruling it out that we don't win the nine days of early voting, Megan. If you take a look at the motivation of voters, the motivation is all on my side.

Speaker 59 And one of the crosstabs in many of the polls measures enthusiasm. I'm beating my opponent by 10 points when it comes to the enthusiasm factor.

Speaker 34 How could you not be? She's so milquetoast and not likable. I don't understand.
New Jerseyans are so down-to-earth. They're fun.
They're funny. They're fighters.

Speaker 34 I don't get that they're resonating with her or that Phil Murphy would resonate with them. Like, explain to me what's happening with this electorate, that it's this tight between you and this woman.

Speaker 59 She's not from New Jersey, and she's demonstrated that time and time again, Megan. We get up and down the state eight days a week.
She has ducked appearance after appearance after appearance.

Speaker 59 Yesterday was another day in front of 500 members of an important business advocacy here in the state. You got to get out there and press the flesh.
We do. Listen, I'm very confident.

Speaker 59 Everything learned from 21 and the closeness of that race, this one feels very, very different. The energy is electric.

Speaker 59 The reception in minority communities has been overwhelmingly positive this time around. And keep in mind one other thing.

Speaker 59 13 prominent Democrats, all current office holders, have endorsed my candidacy. When Democrats in this state start endorsing the Republican nominee, that's telling you something.

Speaker 34 Mm-hmm. Meanwhile, it's like you get this gift.
I saw you poster about it on an X just as we go to, you know, voting week.

Speaker 34 Drag queens are being invited by the Democrat Union to appear at their next month big, I don't know, it's their some woke event called Celebrating the Vibrant World of Drag.

Speaker 34 This is the union's annual convention in Atlantic City, touting equity, justice, and et cetera, ahead of learning.

Speaker 34 Do New Jerseyans even know about this? Do you think that this is just a matter of like watching too much CNN and not knowing this is happening?

Speaker 59 This is the teachers union, which will be convening in about a month's time, and they're advertising their programming for this year's convention, and one of which is this drag programming.

Speaker 59 I don't understand it one bit. I find it disgusting.
Listen, I'm a live and let-live guy. but there's stuff that does not belong in our schools.
That includes the LGBTQQ curriculum.

Speaker 59 It also includes this drag thing that the NJEA, the teachers union, has going on. Listen, they already own my opponent.
They've been lying about me left and right, but I take it as a compliment.

Speaker 59 To me, it's a sign of desperation.

Speaker 34 Jack, let's go. Let's do this thing.
You got a couple of days to go. New Jerseyans, get up.
Get off the couch. Make sure if you're registered to vote, you vote for Jack Chittarelli.

Speaker 34 We cannot have this woman taking New Jersey into another four plus years of Democrat rule. Thank you, my friend.
It's jackfournewjersey.com. Jack4newjersey.com if you want want to help them out.

Speaker 34 Good luck.

Speaker 59 Megan, thank you.

Speaker 34 All the best. Wow.
Okay, thanks for joining me today. And all week tomorrow, you're going to get to watch and listen to our MK live show from Saturday with Link, Mark Halpern, and Glenn Beck.

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