Dems Urge Military to Ignore Orders, and Couric's Charlie Kirk Smear, with Buck Sexton, Andrew Kolvet, and Blake Neff | Ep. 1197

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Speaker 14 The Senate unanimously agreeing to pass the House-backed bill forcing the Justice Department to release the Jeffrey Epstein case files with some notable exceptions.

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Speaker 39 Welcome back, Buck. Great to have you.

Speaker 50 Hey, Megan, thank you so much.

Speaker 36 How's that for a tease on Joy Reed?

Speaker 35 Okay, let's start with the weirdness that I don't even know what this is.

Speaker 17 Maybe you can explain it to me as a former CIA guy.

Speaker 36 This Democrat military video, where you've got Senator Elise Slotkin, who's truly terrible.

Speaker 24 She pretends to be moderate, but she's actually a rabid leftist.

Speaker 22 And Senator Mark Kelly of Arizona, who's a Democrat, married to Gabby Giffords,

Speaker 58 for some reason decided to urge U.S.

Speaker 8 troops to ignore any illegal orders.

Speaker 13 Not even exactly sure what they're saying here.

Speaker 32 It feels very insurrection-y.

Speaker 60 Here it is.

Speaker 61 We want to speak directly to members of the military and the intelligence community who take risks each day to keep Americans safe.

Speaker 30 We know you are under enormous stress and pressure right now.

Speaker 29 Americans trust their military.

Speaker 4 But that trust is at risk.

Speaker 61 This administration is pitting our uniformed military and intelligence community professionals against American citizens.

Speaker 62 Like us, you all swore an oath to protect and defend this Constitution.

Speaker 61 Right now, the threats to our Constitution aren't just coming from abroad, but from right here at home.

Speaker 4 Our laws are clear. You can refuse illegal orders.

Speaker 48 You can refuse illegal orders.

Speaker 4 You must refuse illegal orders.

Speaker 58 No one has to carry out orders that violate the law or our Constitution.

Speaker 61 We know this is hard and that it's a difficult time to be a public servant. But whether you're serving in the CIA, in the Army, or Navy, the Air Force, your vigilance is critical.

Speaker 64 And know that we have your back.

Speaker 61 Because now, more than ever, the American people need you. We need you to stand up for our laws, our Constitution, and who we are as Americans.

Speaker 4 Don't give up.

Speaker 67 Don't give up. Don't give up.

Speaker 62 Don't give up the ship.

Speaker 42 Oh, Lord.

Speaker 13 Pete Hegseth tweeted out in response to this.

Speaker 20 This is stage four TDS.

Speaker 68 What are they doing?

Speaker 50 Well, first off, it's funny. Slotkin was, like me, a CIA analyst working the Iraq issue, although we

Speaker 50 didn't coincide or I didn't actually work directly with her. But yeah,

Speaker 50 the CIA cannot afford any more damage to its reputation than it has suffered in the last, well, depending who you ask, decade or many decades.

Speaker 50 But that's just the whole video, Megan. is really an extension of that.
Remember the hashtag resistance? That was the big thing in the initial Trump administration.

Speaker 50 People just saying, resist, you know, do anything you can. And there was that guy who pretended to be, now he pops up on MSNBC as like a third-tier pen.

Speaker 56 Anonymous.

Speaker 50 Yeah, anonymous. And people were like,

Speaker 50 if this isn't Jared Kushner, clearly it wasn't. But like, if this isn't somebody really important, this is the most grandiose, preposterous essay ever written.

Speaker 50 And sure enough, it was some preposterous stooge.

Speaker 50 And yet here we are again with people who are effectively saying, throw sand in the gears of government. Do whatever you can.
Now, I know what they're going to say. Oh, an illegal order.

Speaker 50 You can't file. Okay, what's the illegal order?

Speaker 70 What are they even talking about? No one even knows what they're talking about.

Speaker 50 But this is, but what I'm saying is if there's illegal orders, tell us what they are. Tell us what the problem is.
Why are you reminding us?

Speaker 50 You know, this would be like Megan badgering a witness on the stand. Excuse me, sir.
Do you know that you're under oath for the fifth time?

Speaker 50 The judge is going to be like, yeah, we all know they're under oath. What are you doing? Right.
It's meant to be kind of an underhanded swipe at the administration.

Speaker 50 And I also think it's their attempt to start to lay the groundwork.

Speaker 50 If you really want to know i think that they're if we have a democrat administration heaven forbid in 2028 uh they're going to try to uh bring effectively a war crimes tribunal together over these strikes on the narco terrorists i mean i i think you can you can basically set a timer to that so is that what you think it is because i i genuinely didn't know what they're it's not an effective ad because

Speaker 70 I'm very immersed in politics and I have no idea what they're addressing.

Speaker 13 I was like, are they talking about ICE?

Speaker 16 You know, because they've been pushing the lie that ICE is running out there arresting American citizens.

Speaker 74 Is that what it is?

Speaker 37 Or is it the narco strikes?

Speaker 13 Like, is that an illegal order where, you know, President Trump has designated these cartels as foreign terrorist organizations.

Speaker 43 They're trying to bring in lethal chemicals to kill our sons and daughters.

Speaker 37 I have no idea. So who exactly are they talking to?

Speaker 13 Like the guys who run those bombers who are taking out those narcos ships?

Speaker 68 What do you think?

Speaker 50 Yeah, I think that their plan is that they're going to, again,

Speaker 50 do they have control of the Senate? Do they have control of the House? Do they they have the White House, right? That's going to factor into this hugely.

Speaker 50 But let's just say they take the House. They're going to really push on this issue.

Speaker 50 They

Speaker 50 are right now setting the groundwork.

Speaker 50 They think that the strikes, meaning the Democrats, the Democrat establishment, and I've talked to people who, let's just say in the national security sphere, are already seeing the rumblings of this, you know, already seeing the beginnings of it.

Speaker 50 So this isn't just me coming up with this out of thin air. Although, again, I worked in the CIA, so I have some idea of how these things go.

Speaker 50 They are going to say that these are war crimes and that these are illegal strikes and that they're unjustified. And they're going to hold a whole bunch of hearings over it.

Speaker 50 It'll be a bit like for Democrats a revisit of

Speaker 50 black sites and waterboarding and, oh my gosh. Now, the problem they're going to run into, Megan, I just want to throw this out there.

Speaker 50 And from your legal mind, I think you'll appreciate this a lot. is that Barack Obama droned American citizens without trial abroad,

Speaker 50 including a 16-year-old. And there was no, you know, this was just a 16-year-old U.S.
citizen.

Speaker 50 You go back to the Anwar Al-Laki stuff, and they tried very hard not to have this out in the press, and they still pretend like, oh, well, this was something that maybe happened, maybe it didn't happen.

Speaker 50 I mean, this is what the New York Times and all these others have ended up reporting.

Speaker 50 So if you're allowed to drone American citizens who are not engaged in any active anything other than plotting, right? You could say they were plotting like Anwar al-Laki.

Speaker 50 Didn't Obama set this precedent?

Speaker 50 Also, the massive acceleration of the drone strikes in parts of pakistan the northwest frontier province the federally administered tribal areas you know waziristan uh they're blowing up people left and right including women and children by accident

Speaker 50 obama bragged about how good he was at killing people with his drones and and exactly and so that all happened and so what you're going to see is they try to say well that's different that was war on terror and really it's different because he's a democrat he was obama the sainted obama um but i i really do think that that's the plan here.

Speaker 50 And this ad is the beginning of them creating this whole, you know, it's like no kings, war crimes. You're starting to see the beginning elements of the hashtag resistance come back together again.

Speaker 5 So I really seriously question the effectiveness of this whole messaging because in no way to diminish what happened on 9-11 or what happened thereafter.

Speaker 24 But we have lost more people to fentanyl in this country, young people, than we lost in 9-11 and the post-years, including all the firefighters and all the military blood and treasure that we sacrificed.

Speaker 5 Like the

Speaker 28 human toll on this fentanyl crisis is beyond measure.

Speaker 14 And it's of our youngest, best, brightest, you know, kids who have it all in front of them and make one mistake and take a pill they thought was an Adderall that's laced with fentanyl and they're dead.

Speaker 13 And it's that is what Trump is trying to get at as these Venezuelan drug ships try to come up to America and elsewhere from south of the border to poison our children.

Speaker 69 Like find me the American who's got a long list of sympathetic thoughts on those drug boats and thinks they ought to be allowed to come here.

Speaker 12 And then we'll just see if we can catch them.

Speaker 48 Who the hell has sympathy for these, the people driving these boats to our border?

Speaker 50 I think there's much broader public support, quite honestly, for these strikes than the Democrats anticipated.

Speaker 50 And on the human toll, you know, I have a dear friend, I believe you know him as well, Megan, Stephen Yates at the Heritage Foundation. He lost his daughter two years ago to fentanyl poisoning.

Speaker 50 And he was having to deal with that just last year. He's bowing in the history of

Speaker 50 losing his daughter. And

Speaker 50 when you understand, when you're near somebody who suffered the direct human toll, the unimaginable loss of a family member, and as you rightly point out, fentanyl is not marijuana. It's not cocaine.

Speaker 50 This is a different thing. This is

Speaker 50 far more addictive and far more deadly than any other substance that's been part of the war on drugs ever before.

Speaker 50 And I sat in a meeting years ago with an attorney general and a bunch of his staff where they were discussing the use that the cartels make of press machines to seem to make it seem like the fentanyl pills that are sold in the street look like the actual pharmaceutical stuff that people will take sometimes.

Speaker 50 So you think you're taking a Xanax to your point about poisoning, but it's actually made in some vat in a lab somewhere in Mexico with Chinese precursors, and it kills the person who takes it on the first dose because there's no dosage control because it's from the cartels.

Speaker 50 But they make it look like it's from big pharma because people think that's safer. So that's the level of deviousness here.

Speaker 50 That's what's happened to so many Americans and we're losing so many of them. And what we've been doing isn't stopping it, right?

Speaker 50 So that's the other part of this is we can continue to lose 100,000 Americans a year to this, or we can change the game. That's right.
And Trump approach.

Speaker 74 That's so right.

Speaker 24 A moment on Alyssa Slotkin before we leave this topic.

Speaker 18 I can't stand her. I sat in on the Pete Hegseth confirmation hearings.

Speaker 35 She stood out in her terribleness.

Speaker 13 Here's just a reminder of who she is and how she tries, tries to talk about how reasonable she is.

Speaker 82 I'm from Michigan.

Speaker 12 The same voters who elected President Trump voted for me. So I get them.

Speaker 80 I totally get them. And I'm former CIA.

Speaker 28 I'm of this industry.

Speaker 13 So I understand the military.

Speaker 20 But here's who she really is.

Speaker 52 Watch.

Speaker 62 Is there anything that a commander-in-chief could ask you to do with the uniformed military that would be in violation of the U.S. Constitution?

Speaker 4 Senator, anybody of any party could give an order that is against the Constitution or against the law.

Speaker 62 Right. Okay.
So, and are you, so are you saying that you would stand in the breach and push back if you were given an illegal order?

Speaker 84 I start by saying I reject the premise that President

Speaker 62 at all.

Speaker 62 Mike, this isn't a hypothetical, okay? Again, you're going to be in charge of 3 million people. The active duty that I know you care about, I believe you care about.
So,

Speaker 62 have you been in conversations about using the active duty in any way, whether it's setting up in detention camps, policing dangerous cities? Have you been involved in any of those conversations?

Speaker 84 Certainly, I have been involved in conversations relating to doing things this administration has not, which is secure the southern border.

Speaker 62 Sir, I get your bilibustering.

Speaker 76 I get it.

Speaker 55 She's so annoying.

Speaker 14 She's so self-aggrandizing and congratulatory.

Speaker 72 And there she was there.

Speaker 33 If you play out the whole thing, Buck,

Speaker 79 she continued.

Speaker 16 The whole cross-examination of Pete was about how Trump is going to give an illegal order and he's going to execute it.

Speaker 14 And here she's back again.

Speaker 39 What illegal order has been given?

Speaker 12 They're making it. There is no illegal order.

Speaker 12 And by the way, Trump has immunity for orders given in his capacity as commander-in-chief, the U.S.

Speaker 35 Supreme Court just so found, a ruling with which she should be very familiar.

Speaker 50 Yes, well, this is playing right into Trump derangement syndrome.

Speaker 50 I know there was recently a guest I saw on Fox who's a psychotherapist, and he said that he's dealing with a lot of patients who should be described as having a clinical Trump-based anxiety disorder.

Speaker 50 And that is what Trump derangement syndrome is.

Speaker 50 These people are not rational.

Speaker 50 They don't care what's actually happening. And the Democrats are able to mobilize them and keep them in this state of frenzy by these, really these insinuations.
And that's what this,

Speaker 50 would you follow a lawful, I mean, an unlawful order from Donald Trump? It's like, what's the unlawful, as I started out saying, what's the unlawful order? Where is he? This is the administration.

Speaker 50 Yeah, this is the administration that every time some grandiose Obama or Biden or maybe even Clinton appointed judge decides to usurp the executive branch for himself.

Speaker 50 This administration goes, All right, we'll see you in court. We'll deal with this again.
You know, we'll go to appeals, we'll go to the Supreme Court, what we'll do, we have to do.

Speaker 50 These are not the actions of someone of an administration that doesn't care about the rule of law and that isn't doing things as they're supposed to be done, despite whatever the Democrats tell themselves and how frenzied and maniacal they get on this issue.

Speaker 50 So, they're dying to be victims.

Speaker 68 They're dying to be like victims of his legal excesses.

Speaker 55 And oh my God, we knew he was going to issue an illegal order.

Speaker 70 And now he's doing it without even specifying what the hell they're talking about.

Speaker 16 It's a failure on a PR level and it will be a failure if they pursue it legally too.

Speaker 43 Okay, let's keep going.

Speaker 50 He's saying that he's a Nazi and if you really think that Nazism has taken over America, you belong in a straitjacket in a rubber room. Like you need a lot of help.

Speaker 46 I mean,

Speaker 35 literally, Mark Levin was calling me a Nazi two weeks ago.

Speaker 22 That term is grossly overused.

Speaker 55 It is a joke now.

Speaker 14 And because of fuckers like him, they've taken a term that has actual teeth to it, and they're working on diminishing that one too.

Speaker 55 It used to be a leftist tactic with the word racist and bigot.

Speaker 13 Now it's a right-wing

Speaker 17 tactic by guys like Mark Levin who have lost it, actually truly lost it and need, in my view, psychological help.

Speaker 13 All right, let's keep going to Epstein because lots of news in that.

Speaker 72 Why do you think Trump reversed himself after like literally a week and a half ago was called Lauren Boebert, Republican, into the situation room to reportedly lean into her to not vote for this Jeffrey Epstein file release bill that was making its way through the House.

Speaker 17 Like he was picking on individual Republicans to get them not to vote for it.

Speaker 35 She wouldn't agree.

Speaker 13 And then within hours, Trump did a 180 saying,

Speaker 87 I'm in favor of it.

Speaker 36 Now I'm in favor of it, which led to a near unanimous passage of the bill in the House and then a unanimous passage of the bill bill in the Senate, which prior to that reversal, there's a question about whether it would even get a vote in the Senate.

Speaker 73 Now it not only got a vote, it passed immediately last night.

Speaker 19 Now it's headed for his desk where he says he's going to sign it.

Speaker 70 And I have my own theory on

Speaker 35 why he did the 180 and what's going to be withheld

Speaker 5 because he does control the DOJ that's got these files.

Speaker 20 But

Speaker 35 what's your take on it?

Speaker 50 I just want this issue to be something that we have the full transparency needed to move beyond, at least in the day-to-day,

Speaker 50 this sort of constant, what I view as the speculation Olympics, because what happens is people just approach this, you know, not you, and I hope, you know, not me, but a lot of people, it's just an opportunity to try to create some fable where Donald Trump is actually at the center of this and he's a bad guy.

Speaker 50 And the Democrats are so desperate for that. Okay, but on the Trump part of this,

Speaker 50 here's what I see. Knowing Trump for a, having met him a very long time ago and having known him, obviously, throughout the administration,

Speaker 50 his two administrations, I would say he does not like to be told what to do. And I know that sounds very basic.
And what does that have to do with this?

Speaker 50 He didn't want these released.

Speaker 50 And the fact that the base is effectively demanding, and the Trump base, and I know this because of my radio show, I hear from them every day, the Trump base is demanding. Epstein file transparency.

Speaker 50 So he doesn't like to be feeling like he's overruled. So I think there's just a stubbornness, quite honestly, with this.

Speaker 50 And then I think from Trump, and I think that there's a, which has been overcome, and I think that there's a frustration from Trump as well that now here we go again.

Speaker 50 You know, the, you know, he's going to be like the fake news, ABC, CBS, you know, they're saying that like I'm involved in this. We've already been over this.
We've talked about it a million times.

Speaker 50 I mean, the timing of this from the House Democrats releasing some of it right when the shutdown turned into a giant belly flop of epic proportions for them.

Speaker 50 That was obvious and he was right to call that out, Megan. So I don't,

Speaker 50 I am absolutely confident that there's nothing in there that is truly derogatory about Donald Trump.

Speaker 50 There might be some things that people can insinuate and they will, but I don't think there's anything that's truly derogatory or I should say

Speaker 50 shows culpability of any kind. And I think that he's just frustrated with all the stuff around this.
I will say the administration made some big mess ups here.

Speaker 50 And not Trump, but some of the people that work for him. Yeah, they screwed up on that.
And they just did. And we have to be honest about that.
The binders, that was foolish looking.

Speaker 50 And then the Pam Bondi talking about it and not talking about it. And what's going to happen? And I have them on my desk.

Speaker 50 So there were PR missteps, but that's a world of difference from Donald Trump is hiding the smoking gun. He's not hiding the smoking gun.
People need to get a grip.

Speaker 50 The walls are not closing in on him. And I hope that finally when these files come out, that will be

Speaker 13 It's so disgusting because the media's determination to make this story about Donald Trump has completely bastardized the whole story. The story is not about Trump.

Speaker 13 It's about Jeffrey Epstein and his disgusting pals who were using and abusing and sexually molesting young women for years.

Speaker 13 They have nothing, nothing to suggest that Trump was one of them.

Speaker 22 He was friends with Jeffrey Epstein, but the main alleged victim they've been pointing to on Trump is on the record under oath saying Trump never touched her and that she never saw him with another woman.

Speaker 27 And all these alleged victims who keep going on NBC and so on, they all say, no, nothing on Trump.

Speaker 33 There is not a single woman who has said, yes, I was trafficked by Epstein to Trump.

Speaker 12 There's one who says Trump walked into a house with Epstein and allegedly fondled her upon meeting her.

Speaker 73 Okay, that's that's what the best they have so far.

Speaker 40 And they're waiting for some sort of smoking gun in these materials.

Speaker 5 So I think Trump did his 180 because he had to. He knew he was going to lose it.

Speaker 50 Like the Republicans were determined to vote yes on this because his base was demanding it too, Megan. Finally, his base was like, no, we need this.

Speaker 28 And so he said, but he doesn't mind flipping the bird to his base.

Speaker 91 You know, he's like, he always, he's quick to remind them, I'm the boss here.

Speaker 22 But he was going to lose the vote in the House and he didn't want to look like they did.

Speaker 50 The first time around, basically, he was like, shut up, guys. We're done talking about this, but they didn't stop talking about it.
And they're, yeah.

Speaker 6 So I think he had to do the 180 just to save face.

Speaker 45 And then that made the ball, you know, go even faster in the House and then the Senate.

Speaker 19 Now he's got to sign it.

Speaker 26 But look, there are enough exceptions to what the DOJ has to turn over that if Trump were really worried about a document or two, there is the potential that he could just designate it classified and we wouldn't see it.

Speaker 19 They're not releasing classified documents

Speaker 22 and they're not releasing anything that would reflect identities of victims and so on.

Speaker 19 Like, look,

Speaker 20 I don't believe for one second that the Epstein scandal is about Trump, nor do I believe Trump trafficked girls, nor do I believe Trump ever raped or sexually assaulted a girl that we're going to see in these files, or that's, that's even in these files.

Speaker 24 But I do think something has gone on that changed his opinion.

Speaker 22 And given that he controls the DOJ, Pam Bondi answers to him, he's got to have some level of comfort that nothing's going out there that's going to completely crush him.

Speaker 13 Because otherwise, I think he'd be standing where he stood in July, which is we're not doing this.

Speaker 39 Move the hell on.

Speaker 50 Yeah, I think that this was one of the rare times where Trump threw the pressure. You cannot bend Trump if you are anti-Trump, right?

Speaker 50 I mean, that's like his, his, he has an invincibility, an unstoppable force when it comes to if you're a Trump hater, if you're Trump deranged, he doesn't care what you say, he doesn't care what you do.

Speaker 50 It is a rare occasion when Trump voters can say, you know, effectively, Mr. President, we need you to do this and you can't tell us that we don't want this.

Speaker 50 And this is, I think, one of those occasions. You point out rightly that he was going to lose the vote in Congress if he didn't go along with this.

Speaker 50 But that's because Trump voters were telling people in Congress, you, you know, you jokers better get this done. We're watching you too, right?

Speaker 50 So it was really a groundswell of everybody, including the, you know, the, or everybody rather on the Trump side saying, we can't let this thing go.

Speaker 50 We actually have to get more transparency out there.

Speaker 50 And so that's, that's that's where we are but yeah i have no you know there have been times where something's going to drop and it's going to hurt somebody on the right and maybe it's even going to hurt trump and i'm i'm like look i got a brace for impact going to speak about it honestly uh we'll we'll work through this it's not one of those times now i'm not sitting here saying to myself oh my gosh when the files come out how are we going to explain whatever's in there about trump first of all if he did anything wrong people on the right would be outraged about it but we know he did know we would already know we'd know who ran the doj before pambony Merrick Garland,

Speaker 10 who tried to put Trump in jail repeatedly.

Speaker 14 The thought that there's something in the DOJ back pocket that would totally incriminate Trump is a Democrat fantasy.

Speaker 13 It's not going to come true.

Speaker 21 Let's keep going because there's other Epstein news, including this,

Speaker 18 she's not a congresswoman because she's from the Virgin Islands, which is a territory, not a state.

Speaker 13 So, but her name is Stacey Plaskett.

Speaker 5 And it's come out that she was

Speaker 32 texting with Jeffrey Epstein while she was conducting a congressional hearing.

Speaker 14 She was cross-examining Michael Cohen, taking his suggestions on exactly what he should ask Michael Cohen in the best way to set up Trump and get Trump.

Speaker 38 And it was all after, after

Speaker 32 it was clear that he had pled guilty to solicitation of prostitution with a minor, which, as I always remind people, is not a thing.

Speaker 40 If you're soliciting sex with a minor, you're raping somebody.

Speaker 5 There's There's no consenting for a minor to prostitution.

Speaker 13 Minor prostitution is not a thing.

Speaker 33 In any event, she had no problem corresponding with Epstein post-that.

Speaker 12 And then the Miami Herald piece broke, which really blew the whole Epstein scandal wide open in November of 2018.

Speaker 55 And this is post-that.

Speaker 34 So this is post-that, where she's texting with him.

Speaker 51 It's February of 2019.

Speaker 12 She's texting with him like he's her BFF on how to get the goods from Michael Cohen.

Speaker 51 So now the House decided, should we censure her for doing this?

Speaker 19 This is so disgusting and it's really given us a black eye.

Speaker 28 And they decided not to.

Speaker 9 The vote was very close, but it did not pass.

Speaker 76 And Buck

Speaker 16 Hakeem Jeffries goes out there and says, oh,

Speaker 43 I want to get the quote exactly.

Speaker 13 During the debate on the resolution, suggested Republicans were targeting Plaskett because of her race.

Speaker 69 Oh,

Speaker 69 the race card.

Speaker 50 I couldn't see that one coming a mile away.

Speaker 31 Yeah. Do you believe this crap?

Speaker 50 Look, here's something else that Trump has been saying about this issue. And I truly believe that he is frustrated that this is still a thing that we have to talk about.

Speaker 50 And as I said, the administration made some missteps and fed into that a bit. And some of the administration figures, including people I like and respect very much, were kind of part of...

Speaker 50 fanning these flames and then trying to douse them, which is a little bit of a, you know, a difficult, a difficult dance to do, like fanning the flames of we need transparency.

Speaker 50 And then it's, well, I mean, we gave you as much transparency as we can. Like that was a tough,

Speaker 50 yeah, that was a tough turnabout.

Speaker 50 But I would say on the broader issue, Trump is saying, look at who was really involved with Epstein.

Speaker 50 Meaning, and when I say involved, I want to be very clear, because I also think it's important ethically and legally to be very specific.

Speaker 50 And I would caution other people out there in the commentary space or listening to this or just, you know, in their own social media, like, don't accuse people of things for which there is no evidence, especially when you're talking about sex crimes, because they will and should sue you and will win, okay?

Speaker 50 Because you can't go around saying someone's a pedophile because you don't like them.

Speaker 50 And I think that there's going to be a lot of people that are trying to find something in this

Speaker 50 trove of release documents so that they can attack their political enemies, right?

Speaker 50 So that's one part of it, but it's Democrats who were involved as friends, associates, longtime companions, frequent companions at the island on the plane.

Speaker 50 You know, it's Bill Gates, it's Bill Clinton, it's Reid Hoffman, it's, I mean, you know, you go down the list, these are all Democrats.

Speaker 89 Larry Summers.

Speaker 50 Larry Summers, who's just with the CCP, daughter, you know, the Chinese Communist Party. That's an amazing story, by the way, that that isn't getting more attention.

Speaker 50 Larry Summers, one of the senior most, really the treasury secretary, in a sense, of the Democrats over the course of like 20 years.

Speaker 50 He's trying to seduce the daughter of a top Chinese Communist Party member and is like passing pronouncements on U.S.-China policy and he's already married and he's going to Jeffrey Epstein for advice.

Speaker 50 You would think that would be a... Could you imagine if that was a Republican? Imagine if that was like Ted Cruz instead of Larry Summers, like a big figure.

Speaker 39 And like it would be the big scandal.

Speaker 22 Like a nervous, perverted little schoolboy being like, Jeffrey, is she a prostitute?

Speaker 82 Jeffrey, what should I do, Jeffrey?

Speaker 89 This is all post-the scandal.

Speaker 12 Like he, just like Plaskett, knew full well what Epstein had pleaded guilty to, was being accused of.

Speaker 89 They didn't care.

Speaker 8 Larry Summers kept his relationship going with Jeffrey Epstein well beyond that Miami Herald report.

Speaker 10 He didn't care.

Speaker 32 And just as a reminder to the audience, the Miami Herald report blew open the number of victims who had come forward, alleged victims, back in 28, 2008, when he pleaded guilty to those two crimes, but that there were literally three dozen young women who had come forward saying, me too, me too, me too.

Speaker 12 And so that broke in November of 18.

Speaker 95 And still Larry Summers and Plaskett and a long list of others were like, no problem for me.

Speaker 82 Larry, it's me, Larry.

Speaker 34 Jeffrey, please help me figure out my love life.

Speaker 44 Keep going.

Speaker 50 Yeah. How did Jeffrey Epstein get such a hold psychologically over some of these incredibly powerful, influential, and wealthy men?

Speaker 50 And I really do need to be aware of that.

Speaker 69 Very good question.

Speaker 50 I know there are, yeah, I know there are a lot of possible answers, but I do think we should get closer to the actual answer or answers on that. Because to your point,

Speaker 50 this guy was the Treasury Secretary and he's acting like just some like weirdo buffoon on this issue, going to Jeffrey Epstein, who's a, who's a convicted, at this point, convicted sex criminal.

Speaker 86 He's on the sex offender list. Right.

Speaker 50 He's on the sex offender list. I mean, I always remember Christopher Hitchens had this test.
He's like, he's like, is someone too gross?

Speaker 50 He's like, well, if you're sitting down at lunch with somebody and they say, you know, I did a couple of years for tax evasion. Do you finish the lunch? Yeah.

Speaker 50 You know, I mean, you shouldn't evade your taxes, but you paid your debt to society and, you know, tax evasion.

Speaker 50 He's like, if you sat down with somebody and they said, you know, I had, you know, committed like a violent sex crime or underage sex crime, do you finish the lunch?

Speaker 75 No.

Speaker 76 Yeah. You do not finish the lesson.
I raped a minor.

Speaker 39 I raped a minor.

Speaker 70 Sure. How about dessert?

Speaker 50 You're not, you're not fine. You know, you're adjourning the meeting, right? And so all these people who were around

Speaker 50 who were around Epstein seem to be willfully turning,

Speaker 50 it's not even turning a blind eye. I mean, they just, I guess they didn't care.

Speaker 50 And then the other part of this, though, and I wanted to get to this, because this is still, and I would ask anybody, we will hear people say things like, well, we know where Jeffrey Epstein's money came from.

Speaker 50 That is a lie.

Speaker 76 That is not a lie. We do not know.

Speaker 50 We do not know where his money came from. I mean, for some reason, this kind of gets chirped around.
Oh, we know where his money came from. We absolutely do not.
You can go on AI, AI of your choice.

Speaker 50 I'm a Grok man myself, but you go on AI of your choice and say, where did Epstein's money come from? It'll say, not really clear. A bunch of, Megan,

Speaker 50 $600 million,

Speaker 50 you know,

Speaker 50 this is the kind of money, and that's what they found. I'm sure there was more that was stashed in numbered accounts in some of those little jurisdictions where people still can hide money.

Speaker 50 $600 million, people say that he was a tax expert. I have a tax expert.

Speaker 50 great guy by the way but he's not worth 600 million dollars you know what i'm saying like this this is you you don't make someone gifted him have you ever seen that i mean i you know you're you spent a lot of time in manhattan too have you ever seen the house that epstein lived in it's the nicest biggest house in manhattan or at least was at the time pretty much it's like i mean it is like a rockefeller era mansion extraordinaire i think it's something like an 80 million dollar home and it was given to him now yeah the thing about money money is that you can trace it, you can follow these flows.

Speaker 50 Why don't we have, I want to see more so even than you know, a lot of the questions that are sort of floating around now, because I think that if there was anything, again, I think if there was something in this release, we would have already found out.

Speaker 50 This is what I've been saying about all the JFK files, by the way, and that's also been true.

Speaker 50 I was in the CIA, super cool secret stuff doesn't stay secret for long because somebody eventually wants to be the one who blows the whistle on it.

Speaker 50 But I want to know where the money came from because I think that's the moment.

Speaker 54 The townhouse was gifted by Victoria's Secret founder, Lex Wexner.

Speaker 39 And I mean, I think a lot of us have questions about how close he was to Epstein, why, for how long, why he continued it, and why he would give him these extraordinary gifts.

Speaker 18 Would love to know more.

Speaker 50 Yeah, and that's so that's okay. That's the $80 million house.
$600 million stashed over.

Speaker 50 This guy had a private island and was running his own you know was running his own jet all over the world and getting all these people he was able to impress with his wealth and connections the wealthiest and most powerful people not all of them obviously but prince andrew

Speaker 50 on the planet bill clinton

Speaker 70 yeah it's a long list all right let's keep going there's more to discuss

Speaker 50 bill bill gates is like wow this guy's really got something what has he got bill you got a lot of money why are you why are you trying you know let's not forget why Bill Gates's marriage broke up.

Speaker 8 Melinda Gates is on record as saying one of the reasons was she was very uncomfortable with his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 35 And also, he has a serious penchant for young women and seems to be somewhat of a sexual dog for somebody his age.

Speaker 8 I mean, he seems to like them, you know, on the younger side and the parties with the young women and infidelity to his wife allegedly.

Speaker 22 And look, it's disgusting.

Speaker 87 Doesn't mean he's a sexual predator, but as long as we're taking a hard look at all of Jeffrey Epstein's associates, like Donald Trump, no man who was close to him is safe.

Speaker 77 We're allowed to look at Gates, we're allowed to look at Summers, we're allowed to look at Clinton, and thanks to Trump, we will be having a DOJ investigation into some of them.

Speaker 55 Okay, I want to get to this because it's just so dumb.

Speaker 57 Um,

Speaker 55 Jasmine Crockett, she's so dumb.

Speaker 69 Um,

Speaker 50 let's just play the side, by the way, just based on the way you were setting this up.

Speaker 39 She's so dumb.

Speaker 16 Here she is in stop four.

Speaker 41 Let's listen,

Speaker 103 folks who also took money from somebody named Jeffrey Epstein, as I had my team dig in very quickly. Mitt Romney, the NRCC,

Speaker 51 Lee Zeldon, George Bush, Wynne Red, McCain Palin, Rick Lazio.

Speaker 103 I just want to be clear. If this is the standard that we're going to make, just know we're going to expose it all.

Speaker 43 Oh my God.

Speaker 30 She's talking about a Dr.

Speaker 34 Jeffrey Epstein,

Speaker 32 who's not the Jeffrey Epstein who made those donations.

Speaker 69 Her crack team uncovered the latest list of possible predators.

Speaker 46 No, no, no.

Speaker 5 Honestly, she's lucky she said that on the House floor because she could get sued like that if she didn't.

Speaker 55 She's too dumb to be a member of Congress.

Speaker 74 And that's saying something, Buck.

Speaker 50 There was a story, and this is sound like a diversion, but it just reminds me too much of this. There was a story at Amherst, my college,

Speaker 50 where

Speaker 50 the student committee that invites speakers. This is back in like the, I don't know, the early 80s or something when people still use phone books.
They wanted to have Jesse Jackson.

Speaker 50 And so they invited the Reverend Jesse Jackson from Chicago to come speak. And they no one figured out until the Reverend arrived that it was a different Reverend Jesse Jackson.

Speaker 87 Oh, no.

Speaker 51 Oh, this just happened to the

Speaker 13 Was it the Guardian who tried to interview Bill de Blasio, former mayor of New York?

Speaker 76 I love it.

Speaker 34 And they got the wrong Bill de Blasio, who gave him a big interview about his thoughts on Mom Die.

Speaker 87 No, he was totally the wrong guy.

Speaker 50 I give this guy the action. First of all, you know what Bill de Blasio is?

Speaker 50 I've been, you know, when I used to fill in for Rush, I remember I popularized this and people in the Rush audience remember this. Do you know what Bill de Blasio's name was?

Speaker 75 Warren Wilhelm.

Speaker 50 He changed his name. What?

Speaker 50 Yes.

Speaker 50 Go check it out. Go check it out.
No one ever believes me. Grocking, everybody.

Speaker 69 Go check it out.

Speaker 21 It's a much better name than Bill de Blasio.

Speaker 50 Bill de Blasio. Hey, he wanted to be Bill de Blasio, the union guy.
You know, you could trust him. You know, Bill de Blasio from down the block.
Yo. He changed his name.

Speaker 50 His name was Warren Wilhelm, and he changed it. And I just think that that's one of the most kind of astonishing name changes.

Speaker 73 Very telling.

Speaker 22 By the way, I was wrong.

Speaker 17 It wasn't Guardian.

Speaker 18 It was Times of London, just for the record.

Speaker 13 I mean, honestly, the irresponsibility of just

Speaker 59 throwing things out there as a sitting representative is stunning.

Speaker 25 And speaking of...

Speaker 50 The Bill de Blasio guy, who's not Bill de Blasio, giving his thoughts on the mayor's race. I love that guy.

Speaker 85 That guy's amazing.

Speaker 51 I know.

Speaker 82 He's like, hey, they wanted my thoughts on Mom Donnie, so I gave them.

Speaker 36 The Times of London was just doing a spiral for days thereafter.

Speaker 42 Okay.

Speaker 49 Kara Swisher has some thoughts on where this release of the Epstein files, which is coming now after it's been passed by both houses of Congress and is going to Trump's desk, on where this is going.

Speaker 16 Here she is in SOT5.

Speaker 104 I do think this is it.

Speaker 63 There is definitely a photo of him in some fashion.

Speaker 104 And so if there's a photo, I think, you know,

Speaker 63 the pussy-grabbing thing was voice, which was problematic enough. But there's a photo like what happened to Andrew, I think it's game over.
And then we have President fucking J.D.

Speaker 62 Vance.

Speaker 85 But if we're supposed to speculate. Wait, hold on.

Speaker 61 You think this ends his presidency prematurely? Yes.

Speaker 63 He'll be sick. He'll be that bad.

Speaker 64 Yeah. I do.
I think he's not going to make it to the end.

Speaker 2 Be careful what you wish for.

Speaker 61 I think J.D.

Speaker 105 Vance.

Speaker 104 I agree. Hello.
I just called him a couch fucker to San Francisco.

Speaker 45 Just checking in on the normal left.

Speaker 14 So this, the Epstein thing will bring the Trump presidency down, and J.D.

Speaker 5 Vance is a couch fucker, according to Kara Swisher.

Speaker 50 Yeah,

Speaker 50 those are supposed to be like the two leading intellectuals of the new left or the, you know, the established, the sort of new establishment left, if you will, because they're on the podcast side.

Speaker 50 and you know kara swisher my only interaction with her ever was her just astonished that i didn't think that masks outside was a good policy so i mean i'm one of these people who looks at them like these are not smart people i mean they maybe they have she's really hateful uh yeah really really nasty um and i would say on the on the trump thing i mean she's i i what does she want to bet that this doesn't you know this is i i wish we could start doing this now where i just say you know what what do you want what do you want to put up how much money do you want to put up that there's no photo of trump it's not going to end his present presidency but megan the problem is the democrat audience has been so conditioned for oh my gosh we finally got him that anything that isn't we finally got trump doesn't get attention in fact people get angry at those who will say look guys like let's think about the midterms you know the country's not actually on fire no you can't say that as a democrat you have to say that trump is hitler you have to say these insane things and she's just playing into them what she said is manifestly stupid and in a week or in a day or whatever it is, when we see what comes out of this, it won't be true.

Speaker 50 And what she said will look asinine, but she'll just move on to something else.

Speaker 91 And remember when James Carville predicted that Trump wasn't even going to make it to mid-February of 2025 on his term, that like he was going to, this is the beginning of the end.

Speaker 13 He was going down.

Speaker 35 He was going to implode.

Speaker 27 It was like these.

Speaker 43 These like hardcore Trump-deranged Democrats

Speaker 17 who are in the public eye, like issuing opinions for a living.

Speaker 77 They view it as like dropping.

Speaker 22 Let me finish.

Speaker 80 They view it as like dropping like little dollops of cocaine on the tongues of their listeners, right?

Speaker 8 Like, I'm going to give you like an upper.

Speaker 55 I'm going to make your serotonin surge with exactly what I know you want to hear.

Speaker 31 And it's just so opposite of the business we're supposed to be in, which is speaking hard truths and like staying in the field of reality.

Speaker 50 Yeah, they take this all very personally because, and I think that always has to be remembered, the anti-Trump media lost. He beat them.

Speaker 50 He defeated them, not just in getting elected the first time, but even more so in getting elected the second time when they had the full force of

Speaker 50 a corrupt and senile presidency and its DOJ henchmen and all of the establishment Democrat media arrayed against Trump to stop him from becoming president. And now also,

Speaker 50 because of shows like this one and also the ability to say things freely on X, they just don't have the same hold on the public's mind and even the public's imagination that they used to.

Speaker 50 And I bring it up because they're deeply resentful. The New York Times to well-informed people is a joke.
It is not an objective entity. It is not fair.

Speaker 50 It is not taking the approach of journalism. Yeah, it says things that are true, but that doesn't mean that it's doing so in in order to spread the truth.

Speaker 50 It also says a lot of stuff that's absolute crap and that it's dishonest, just like CNN, fundamentally dishonest about the mission.

Speaker 50 The mission is not to inform the public in a neutral way about what matters.

Speaker 50 It is to program the public based on a previously set ideology and orthodoxy that if you don't adhere to in any of these newsrooms

Speaker 50 or on that podcast, whatever it's called,

Speaker 50 you're a bad person and they will shun you and they will kick you out. Trump beat them.
He beat all of them.

Speaker 50 And so this is why I think the bitterness, yes, the audience craves that bitterness to your point about like putting a little bit of, you know, cocaine or whatever out there for them, like the old experiments with the, you know, the hamster and the pedal, like yes, get more cocaine.

Speaker 50 See, um, beyond that, though, I think that a lot of people who think of themselves as like the guardians of our democracy in the media realize that I look at them and I've been doing this now for 15 years and I'm like, you people are just jackasses, honestly.

Speaker 50 And you've done a huge disservice to your audience.

Speaker 14 To your point, let me give you another Kara Swisher thought.

Speaker 22 So that thing about JD allegedly effing a couch was completely made up by some blogger when Trump and Vance were running against Kamala.

Speaker 24 And it was literally just made up out of thin air.

Speaker 40 Somebody claimed it was in his book.

Speaker 16 It's not in his book.

Speaker 53 Just read the book. You'll see it's a lie.

Speaker 5 And they just did it to smear him.

Speaker 40 And now in the anatomy of a smear, it gets raised over and over by dishonest people like Kara Swisher.

Speaker 41 And so, understanding that she could get sued if she let that

Speaker 51 hang in the air, as she just did, she decides to fix it.

Speaker 13 And this is how she fixes it.

Speaker 30 Take a listen to SAT 6.

Speaker 63 Just what's been released now is crazy and problematic for the president, obviously. And I think

Speaker 63 he hasn't had an eruption all day.

Speaker 63 J.D. Vance is gone.
I don't know where he went. He usually gets on and gets all mad about things and

Speaker 63 sits on a couch, etc.

Speaker 63 And he has not been available. I have to.

Speaker 104 I don't think he fucked a couch, everyone. I think I, I don't.
I don't think he fucked a couch. But the fact of the matter is, I think he could.
See,

Speaker 104 that's where I feel about him.

Speaker 50 It's not even, I mean, it's not funny.

Speaker 38 It's not clever. She's disgusting.

Speaker 50 She's gross. And people that are laughing at that,

Speaker 50 I feel sorry for them because they have been so programmed.

Speaker 50 You know, they are they are the left-wing lemmings. Although, fun fact, lemmings actually don't commit mass suicide.
That was totally fabricated by a Disney documentary, Conversation for Another Time.

Speaker 50 Something you learn, Megan, you have me on your show. We learn fun things.
We talk about fun things together. Yeah.

Speaker 50 But

Speaker 50 they have been so programmed. They have been so brainwashed.
by their own media that they just they would rather you could hear it.

Speaker 50 It was an uneasy laugh because I think at some level they must recognize that what she's saying is i mean he's a sitting vice president what what she's saying is dumb it's based in nothing it's disrespectful

Speaker 8 it's true he's got young kids it's like really you have to drag him with a completely made-up lie you know his children are going to see this like you're so gross they just don't care

Speaker 50 there's no this is the thing on the right we actually have a there are a lot of people on the right who whether you agree with them or not, they are actually impressive individuals.

Speaker 50 They're people of considerable character, talent, skill, thinking of somebody like J.D. Vance, of course.
I mean, his story is amazing.

Speaker 50 People know Hillbilly Elegy, but he's an incredibly high wattage guy. He understands these issues.
You look at Marco Rubio, you look at Scott Besson, you look at the people in this administration.

Speaker 50 whether or not you agree with their decisions and think that they have tremendous wisdom, they definitely have tremendous IQ, ability, talent,

Speaker 50 you know, backgrounds. And then you look at the Biden administration and you look at the Democrat bench and you look at the people that are making decisions.
It's a clown show.

Speaker 82 And you see, Jasmine Carlos.

Speaker 50 It's not just because I disagree with them. I mean, the top people around, I mean, Corinne Jean-Pierre is a moron.

Speaker 69 And I don't like being any objective measure.

Speaker 50 She's an idiot. She's truly a moron.
And Joe Biden wasn't smart before he had the dementia, has always just been the slimiest used car salesman of a politician on the planet.

Speaker 50 And then you look at Kamala. Kamala's a moron, okay? Not an intelligent person, not impressive in any capacity whatsoever.

Speaker 69 Tim Walls?

Speaker 50 Tim Walls, not an impressive person.

Speaker 50 You go down this list and you compare, and an objective party or somebody who's just trying to look at things for what they are goes: on the one side, you have people who, men and women who aren't their own ways, are badasses and do cool things and have been successful.

Speaker 50 And you look at the leadership of the Democrat Party, and they're a bunch of whiny, DEI-obsessed, you know, pro-transing your kids, open borders, wackos.

Speaker 50 And this is the fundamental problem the Democrat Party has. And they can't seem to find a way to get around this.

Speaker 73 On that subject, here is Scott Jennings on CNN.

Speaker 40 And he's raising questions about whether this panel's willingness to run toward Trump's in the Epstein files in a way that's going to bring him down is sound reasoning.

Speaker 45 And he gets this back from a guy named Joshua Das.

Speaker 13 Watch this exchange, Scott 7.

Speaker 3 Scott, you keep saying, well, he didn't do anything. There's no indication of criminality.

Speaker 92 If that's true, he should be elated that we're putting these things in.

Speaker 4 It is true.

Speaker 105 Can you name any evidence?

Speaker 3 I would like to see the evidence.

Speaker 85 What I'm saying is that... After 10 years of public life, you wouldn't know it already? No, I don't.
That's exactly what I'm saying. Oh, my goodness.
Scott, this is an IQ test.

Speaker 105 Don't fail it. Come on, man.
Scott, that's fine.

Speaker 85 10 years Donald Trump is in the past. That's in public.
That's embarrassing.

Speaker 106 Just real quick, I just want to bring it back to something that just happened. I feel like I just heard Scott call into question this black man's intelligence with the IQ test.
That's right.

Speaker 106 I feel like I heard that. And so I just want to say something.
This is what

Speaker 85 it sounded like.

Speaker 105 You want to make it racial?

Speaker 106 Go ahead, but it's ridiculous. Well, I mean, I think that.

Speaker 85 By the way, we know each other.

Speaker 105 We're friends. I'm not, I know this man.

Speaker 85 He's a smart guy, and we're having a debate. We're having a debate.

Speaker 105 Don't make it into so. We don't even know each other.

Speaker 4 But we did.

Speaker 106 This actually relates back to the topic that we're having, Scott. There is a person.

Speaker 106 You're sitting here with so much confidence without seeing all of the documents that Donald Trump is innocent. There is a

Speaker 106 presumption of guilt that a black man walks around the United States with. Oh, my God.

Speaker 106 That I have been watching Donald Trump navigate this situation with a presumption of innocence that is never, never afforded to us.

Speaker 30 Okay, first of all, it's presumption.

Speaker 18 It's not presumption.

Speaker 13 Second of all, calling out somebody to say, this is an IQ test. Let's see if you pass it, can be done to a white person, a brown person, a black person, an Asian person.

Speaker 35 Get over your obsession with your melanin.

Speaker 41 It's ridiculous, Buck.

Speaker 50 Well, playing the race car just doesn't work the way that it used to. And that's why you can tell Scott's not, you know, he's like, he's calling it out.
He's, he's not worried.

Speaker 50 He's like, oh no, what's going to happen to me now? Am I going to get fired? Is my career over? Am I going to be kicked out of, you know, polite society?

Speaker 50 Because everyone understood what Scott was saying. He said, it is an IQ test.

Speaker 50 He wasn't even really referring directly to the guy's IQ that he's talking about. But this is what you're going to see more of this.
There's a desperation.

Speaker 50 The way the left has to argue, unfortunately, is stuff like this, because on the primary issues, they're just wrong.

Speaker 77 On the big issues,

Speaker 43 even if he said, you are dumb, you are failing the IQ test.

Speaker 14 You're stupid.

Speaker 13 And I know that from your inane analysis here, you can say that to a black man.

Speaker 82 It's actually disrespectful to say you cannot say that to a black person.

Speaker 68 Black people are just like white people.

Speaker 12 Some are dumb, some are smart, all are capable of withstanding an insult or an offensive comment.

Speaker 16 And to pretend there's a special category of group who we can never insult because somehow it cuts more deeply is to otherize black people in a way that we really want to stop doing and kind of started to stop doing 50 years ago.

Speaker 13 It's only recently that they've renewed the request to put themselves in a special category.

Speaker 11 It's a no.

Speaker 50 Yeah, I'm very pleased that American society has has evolved to a place in recent years

Speaker 50 where we can just treat everybody like individuals and human beings.

Speaker 50 We don't have to put everybody in these DEI-obsessed boxes and we can treat each other as adults and as equals, truly, and not play games like what you just saw there on air, which was just bad faith.

Speaker 50 I mean, watching Scott Jennings on CNN is definitely a guilty pleasure. It's a lot of fun watching him slap these people around, but nonetheless.

Speaker 24 Just the clips, because literally nobody's watching the Abby Phillips show.

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Speaker 34 Always great to have you.

Speaker 50 Great to see you, Megan. Thank you.

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Speaker 18 Now we're joined by two first-time guests at the center of the conservative movement with Turning Point USA.

Speaker 18 There's been some insane hate, insane, that Turning Point has received on college campuses recently, and we are going to get into more of that on today's news.

Speaker 30 Joining me now, Andrew Colvett.

Speaker 13 He's a TPUSA spokesperson.

Speaker 54 He is and has been executive producer of The Charlie Kirk Show, along with Blake Neff, also a producer of The Charlie Kirk Show.

Speaker 73 Guys, welcome to the show. Great to have you.

Speaker 4 Thanks, Megan. It's an honor to be here.

Speaker 3 Thanks for having us.

Speaker 5 It's wonderful to see you both.

Speaker 19 Last time we were actually together was when I was sitting on your set with you guys.

Speaker 18 talking about Charlie. And we saw each other at the memorial, but last time I saw you up close and personal.

Speaker 5 So it's great to see you.

Speaker 68 I have to start with something joyful.

Speaker 13 Okay, we're going to start with something super joyful. I think this is going to make us all happy.

Speaker 72 And it happens to relate to a woman named Joy.

Speaker 34 In this case, Joy Reed, who believe it or not, you're going to applaud.

Speaker 82 Listen to Sot 13.

Speaker 110 I would be disturbed. I'm telling you, I would be alarmed.
I'm alarmed enough when I see a woman with her dangling boobies.

Speaker 110 If I saw a penis in the ladies' rocking room, I would freak out too.

Speaker 110 This is just, I mean, this is nothing against trans anybody. What it's saying is if I turn around and I see a pee-pee, a

Speaker 110 penis in front of me inside of the room, I would probably go to management and say, wait a minute, why is there somebody, a naked man in this room?

Speaker 110 Because just the world we live in, just from a safety standpoint and just from a, you know, from a privacy standpoint, I would, so I can see why she would have gone and reported to management.

Speaker 110 There's a man naked in the band. Now, if they clarified and they said, well, trans, da, da, da, okay, but I think they should take her concerns also seriously.

Speaker 110 Because if she's uncomfortable, does she not have the right to be at least uncomfortable with this situation is what I'm saying.

Speaker 45 Okay, I know that I don't want to overstate it, but this is kind of a watershed moment.

Speaker 24 She's talking about Tish Hyman, who got kicked out of the Gold's Gym in L.A.

Speaker 35 because she objected to a trans person being in there walking around in full frontal nudity, she alleges.

Speaker 40 And by the way, the guy was a domestic abuser convicted of breaking a woman's jawbone in a compound fracture.

Speaker 28 I mean, you may not know the kind of force that would take, a dangerous guy.

Speaker 55 And I know it's like, okay, maybe it's because this woman was black and she's a lesbian and Joy Reed's like, okay, I can shout her out, but I don't really care.

Speaker 17 It actually is very important to have somebody who's such a committed far-left person come out and start standing up for women's rights against these trannies who are invading our locker rooms and our bathrooms and bathrooms and so on.

Speaker 5 And so I genuinely

Speaker 5 applaud Joy Reed for doing this.

Speaker 35 I genuinely applaud her and I welcome her to the fight and I hope she stays on the right side.

Speaker 9 I think this is a very, very good sign.

Speaker 25 Thoughts on it?

Speaker 3 Long odds, Megan. Long odds.

Speaker 39 What do you mean, Blake?

Speaker 60 What do you mean?

Speaker 12 She's crossing over on one issue. And on this issue,

Speaker 8 as somebody who had this all wrong back in like the 17, 18 timeframe myself, I can say like when somebody sees the light and joins the right squad, we should welcome them with open arms, even if we disagree on literally everything else.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I mean, I'm a big fan, Megan, of

Speaker 4 not having a totally insane opposition party. That the country would be a better place if we could get the basics.
right and we could come to an agreement on, you know, there's men and there's women.

Speaker 4 They do not belong in each other's locker rooms. Those type of things should be common sense, but increasingly, you know, they haven't been.
And so, yeah, I'm with you.

Speaker 4 I mean, I find Joy Reed a really, really detestable race baiter. I find her opinions largely

Speaker 4 impossible to listen to and agree with. And by the way,

Speaker 4 Charlie felt the same.

Speaker 4 One of our favorite pastimes was

Speaker 4 commenting on Joy Reed's incessant insanity. And so, but listen, I'm with you.
Yeah, this is good. More of this, Joy Reed.

Speaker 32 More, more, more, because you have a long way to go still that's that's what i net out here she does but it's like the people we're trying to influence who are still in the dark ages on this issue are all the people on her side they are much more likely to listen to joy reed than they are to the three of us so it's great like i'll no i'll take all the support and help i can get we can get and especially because this really is a women's rights issue you know it's not like guys aren't complaining about fake men going into the men's room it's the other way around that we really do need a united front from actual women who are the ones going into these spaces and finding themselves endangered.

Speaker 13 And that's why this woman, Tish Hyman, who just threw down over this issue, she was a game changer.

Speaker 14 This woman has not stopped talking since it happened, and she's very effective.

Speaker 8 She shut down a San Francisco group meeting on this with the terrible Scott Wiener, who's a nightmare who may be elected to Nancy Pelosi's seat.

Speaker 14 And she appears to have convinced Joy Reed.

Speaker 9 So go, Tish, go.

Speaker 28 Okay, lots more to discuss.

Speaker 79 And almost none of it is

Speaker 19 as uplifting as the Joy Reed moment.

Speaker 16 I'm just going to tell that to you honestly.

Speaker 11 Let's kick it off after her with Jack Schlossberg.

Speaker 13 He is JFK's grandson.

Speaker 22 He is running for Congress.

Speaker 40 He is, in my opinion, fucking deranged.

Speaker 13 Sorry, I know you don't swear on the Charlie Kirk show, but we do hear on the MK shows, you know.

Speaker 33 He's, I really think, an insane person.

Speaker 16 I think he's not well.

Speaker 17 There were reports that his mother, Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg, really did not want him to run for Congress, which is what he's doing in New York.

Speaker 17 And I think it's because she knows her son is nuts and probably deserves to be locked up in a facility as opposed to running for Congress.

Speaker 24 Kind of a different place you can get locked up for being a nut.

Speaker 42 He's come out and gotten the white glove treatment, including by Maureen Dowd at the New York Times, who completely whitewashed his insane social media history, where I'm just going to give you a couple of examples.

Speaker 21 There is one

Speaker 15 where he is, do we have it?

Speaker 32 Yeah, this is a video, not a, I don't think it's a soundbite exactly, but he's doing the Nazi salute over and over and over again, SAT 22.

Speaker 75 Watch.

Speaker 3 Yo, yo, check this out.

Speaker 36 Yo, check this out.

Speaker 20 There's one.

Speaker 36 Yo, check this out.

Speaker 75 Number three.

Speaker 58 Four, five, six.

Speaker 26 Didn't we all just live through a fake Nazi salute gate with Elon Musk literally just saying thank you?

Speaker 22 My heart goes out to you.

Speaker 81 It was non-stop covered by the left-wing media for days, for weeks.

Speaker 15 This

Speaker 13 totally whitewashed, not an issue for the New York Times nor anyone else.

Speaker 15 All they hear is a Kennedy who hates righties.

Speaker 81 He's in.

Speaker 25 Thoughts on it?

Speaker 111 Go ahead, Blake.

Speaker 3 I just, I'm very tired of the Kennedy thing. I just, it feel, okay, I think I'm the youngest one here.

Speaker 3 It feels like this strange boomer artifact to be like continuously obsessed with this family because of its

Speaker 3 presidential figure who disappeared from the scene 60 plus years ago. At least this guy doesn't have the Kennedy name.
I think that will make it less bad.

Speaker 12 And also, it's going to come out.

Speaker 3 At least we know he's going to be able to get away from him.

Speaker 13 Immediately he's going to be Jack Kennedy Schlossberg, which is not his name, but go ahead, ahead, Blake.

Speaker 36 Sorry.

Speaker 3 No, actually,

Speaker 3 you shouldn't be giving them these free ideas. They'll probably do that now.

Speaker 3 But I guess that also, maybe we have more videos on him. I'm not super familiar with

Speaker 3 his work, but he doesn't seem as charismatic. He doesn't exactly seem to have the Kennedy magic.

Speaker 50 He seems a little twitchy.

Speaker 97 Disturbed.

Speaker 80 Here, let me just give you one here.

Speaker 44 We're going to go through a few, but he's disturbed.

Speaker 22 I'm going to play one, a couple of them, but I just want to, and you're going to really have to forgive me for this.

Speaker 75 He,

Speaker 20 let's see, he's 32 years old.

Speaker 36 He posted on January 20th of this year

Speaker 22 a piece, whatever, a post, in which he said he was making fun of RFK Jr., his

Speaker 70 uncle, no, his cousin, and the Maha movement.

Speaker 43 And he wrote, I will have a Maha energy ball.

Speaker 64 He proposed a recipe, I'm reading here from the Free Beacon, that called for several ingredients, including, again, again, please forgive me for this.

Speaker 74 This is his words.

Speaker 55 These are two ounces of Jew blood, Ashkenazi, not Sephardic, baked at 300 degrees until totally dry, like your wife, wrote Schlossberg, a Yale graduate with law and business degrees from Harvard.

Speaker 43 He went on to say that, hold on,

Speaker 43 he was calling for them to add, again, forgive me, semen

Speaker 13 into the energy recipe.

Speaker 21 I think he used the word jizz.

Speaker 16 And this is the man who gets this treatment from MSNBC when announcing his run, SAT 18.

Speaker 112 But Trump has been seemingly obsessed with dismantling your family's legacy. He's declassified previously classified Kennedy assassination records.

Speaker 112 He's paved over the Rose Garden, which your grandmother last renovated. He recently raised the Jacqueline Kennedy Garden with the demolition of the East Wing.

Speaker 112 He sought to mogify the Kennedy Center and he also even wants to repaint Air Force One so that it no longer has, as he's put it, a Jackie Kennedy color.

Speaker 112 What do you think Trump's trying to accomplish here and does it make your decision to run for this seat that much more urgent?

Speaker 113 My grandfather's legacy of service means a lot to me. It's not just my family's legacy.
It's generations of Americans and New Yorkers who fought and sacrificed to build this country.

Speaker 113 And he is dismantling that legacy.

Speaker 113 He's so obsessed with the Kennedys and the Kennedy name and the Kennedy brand that he caged one and put it in his cabinet, a rabid dog in his cabinet, put a collar on my cousin RFK Jr.

Speaker 113 and has him there barking,

Speaker 113 spreading lies and spreading misinformation.

Speaker 32 Just see, he's just a normal guy.

Speaker 48 She's like basically licking his feet.

Speaker 52 And they're going to try to whitewash this guy, his Nazi salutes, his comments about Jews, his comments about semen going into your average Maha energy drink, his constant mocking of very prominent women on the right, including yours truly, his bizarre, I don't know, weirdly sexual, half-naked writhing that he's put on camera multiple times because he is deleting all of this from his social media feed as fast as humanly possible.

Speaker 4 Yeah, my take on this guy is that

Speaker 4 he's a left-wing troll. He's,

Speaker 4 I will tell you, he's wildly popular on social media, at least before he deleted, I guess, his TikTok account.

Speaker 4 Our team here kept telling me how popular he was on the left with young people.

Speaker 4 So he's got this kind of shock jock troll persona.

Speaker 4 But here for me, yeah, he's crass. He's completely out of bounds on so many things, Megan.
But here for me is the real deal breaker for him. The way he's treated Bobby Kennedy Jr.

Speaker 4 has been completely, completely, I believe, disqualifying. I genuinely cannot stand a person that would throw his own family member under the bus like that.

Speaker 4 He has no regard for any decency or etiquette or decorum, no class when it comes to how he's dealing with Bobby Kennedy. And I just, I find that beyond the pale, candidly.

Speaker 4 I cannot imagine doing that to one of my family members. I would have disagreements with them, maybe, yes.
And we would deal with those in private.

Speaker 4 But the way he's treated him, calling him a rabid dog and barking for trump you and i both know megan that he joined the trump administration willingly he he saw an opportunity to advance uh things he's very passionate about the maha movement and president trump has honored that promise and so i would think if you ask bobby kennedy he's going to say he's really excited really happy with the opportunities being given that trump put him at the head of hhs and to have one of his own family member and the entire kennedy clan by the way just i mean to it is an artifact of years past and they've totally lost their shine and for just to see how low they have fallen generally it's like each generation gets continually less impressive and he's just the latest uh iteration of that it's really sad because america would do well to have proud families that we can look up to as models they're not one of them as exemplars of the country and they just completely debasing the brand yeah they are not one of them i i'm old enough to remember blake when the democrats had a complete meltdown saying that Trump had mocked a reporter who has a disability in that clip where Trump kind of does this with his hand and he's like imitating a reporter.

Speaker 22 Trump denied that he was mocking a disability.

Speaker 13 But they freaked out, they still raised that as evidence that Trump is a bad person.

Speaker 13 Here's Jack Schlossberg talking about his own cousin who has spasmodic dysphonia, which is why RFKJ talks the way he does in SOT 20.

Speaker 111 Hey, everybody,

Speaker 102 I'm trying to figure out the right president to get Donald Trump for the inauguration. So I found a really rare animal and killed it, and I'm going to give it to him.

Speaker 19 So we no longer care about Nazi salutes, and we no longer care about mocking people with disabilities.

Speaker 18 We definitely don't care about misogynistic attacks on women.

Speaker 11 What do they care about?

Speaker 3 You know, just the fact that he was attacking, as you note,

Speaker 3 his own relatives stands out because

Speaker 3 obviously Trump can be pretty combative, but one thing that always stood out to me is Trump had

Speaker 3 his sister who was a federal judge and was appointed by a Democrat and they never really went out of their way to bash each other or hate on each other. And

Speaker 85 they

Speaker 3 like that was Trump actually respects, surprisingly, some like old-fashioned decorum about how you're supposed to behave. And

Speaker 3 that

Speaker 3 even that has like fallen by the wayside.

Speaker 3 And it's a perfect encapsulation because the left will write those essays, how you should disown your uncle who says bad things at Thanksgiving, how you should break off all contact with your family member.

Speaker 3 A hugely popular piece of advice that people on the left will give each other. Oh, if your parents are MAGA, they're toxic, cut them out of your life.

Speaker 3 I saw one that went viral the other day where it was someone saying, I'm so disgusted by

Speaker 3 one of my family members. I think it was either, I think it was his brother.

Speaker 3 He and his his wife are MAGA supporters,

Speaker 3 but I can't break contact with them because I don't know how to drive and they drive me to my doctor's appointments.

Speaker 3 The cognitive dissonance going on there is so extreme. And I guess now that sort of thing is primed to get into Congress.

Speaker 4 And Megan, to your point, the fact that the left-wing media is going to whitewash it, they are willing for a Kennedy to

Speaker 4 do anything to help get him elected, to make him a big star, because A, they're desperate for stars.

Speaker 4 They're desperate for white men that are stars candidly and uh you know i i am very happy that he's got the last name schlossberg which is a hard to say and it's not that attractive of a last name i'm just gonna say it uh and he doesn't deserve the name kennedy but like you know they are willing to do whatever they can and throw out all their standards all the the same uh you know high bar that they would hold a conservative to they don't care about that because what they ultimately care about is about power they care about getting trump this guy's going to be a rabid dog to fight trump And by the way, can I just say in that one clip, Megan, that I have never perceived or observed that President Trump is obsessed with the Kennedys or dismantling the Kennedy legacy.

Speaker 4 I've ever even heard him talk about it.

Speaker 3 One of the best things about that, actually, I want to hit, is they're describing the Kennedy legacy, and the Kennedy legacy is like architectural features of the White House, the color pattern on Air Force One.

Speaker 3 It is the most superficial elements of a legacy. You'd think, what would the legacy of the Trump administration be? It might be a secure border.
It might be radically changed foreign policy.

Speaker 3 And then the Kennedy legacy is, you know, the east wing of the White House, which needed to be expanded until suddenly getting rid of it was, I think they called it the heart of America, the New York Times did.

Speaker 13 Yeah, it's basically Jackie Kennedy and her amazing style.

Speaker 68 The We got to go on now to less pleasant things, which brings me to Katie Couric and her exchange with John Fetterman.

Speaker 19 I think I speak for all of us when we say

Speaker 24 you kind of wanted a smacker.

Speaker 58 We wouldn't, we wouldn't smack her, but we kind of wanted a smacker when we watched this incredibly obnoxious exchange.

Speaker 13 It's so obnoxious, you guys.

Speaker 22 I almost never run a soundbite more than one minute on the program.

Speaker 43 It's just my own rule.

Speaker 52 I think they go on too long if you do.

Speaker 26 This one is three minutes, and there's a reason for that.

Speaker 76 Sit back, buckle up, and

Speaker 18 I don't know if I can say enjoy, but watch.

Speaker 54 Here we go.

Speaker 114 Do you think that flag should have been flown at half-staff? Do you think his body should have been flown on Air Force 2?

Speaker 114 Do you think he should have posthumously be given the Presidential Medal of Freedom? I think some people felt that that was

Speaker 114 perhaps over the top in terms of

Speaker 114 mourning someone like Charlie Kirk. How did you feel about that?

Speaker 83 I'd say that that was his choice and his prerogative. And that's where that's

Speaker 83 that was up. That was really entirely up to him.

Speaker 114 Did you have any issues now in hindsight over some of the things that Charlie Kirk said and some of the rhetoric he used during his life?

Speaker 83 I didn't agree with much of it. I didn't closely follow his specific kinds of views, but I did.

Speaker 114 I'm sure you learned about them after his death, though.

Speaker 83 No, I haven't done a deep dive on it. You know, I described, I mean, we've all seen that terrible video.
Perhaps if you've seen the actual video, I have. And it's like appalling.

Speaker 83 And that's part of the political violence. And from what I'm saying, it's like that's unacceptable.
And engaging in a debate and views I strongly disagree on, that's part of the American democracy.

Speaker 83 And for me, it's

Speaker 83 that would never justify

Speaker 83 what's happened. And I just chose not to take the opportunity to argue his views after

Speaker 83 Children lost his father in the most violent public way. I mean, so that's, I would say the equivalent, the equivalent on the left might be, say, Mr.

Speaker 83 Piker, I strongly disagree with his views, but I would, I'm appalled if something like that happened to him. Oh, my God.
I mean, that's, you know, like we have to.

Speaker 83 We have to disagree in better ways where, you know, you're going to solve it by shooting people. And that's why the kinds of rhetoric, we have to turn the temperature down.

Speaker 83 Extreme rhetoric makes it easier for extreme reactions or to justify them.

Speaker 114 I think some people might say Charlie Kirk's rhetoric was extreme. You know, I think that's the conversation that happened.

Speaker 114 People condemned political violence, but they also felt a great deal of discomfort with his language suggesting that these kinds of words lead to violence. I don't know.

Speaker 114 I'm just kind of sharing my observations as I saw the conversations unfold.

Speaker 66 Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 83 I mean, I think we agree that we probably didn't agree with much of what he said.

Speaker 83 But I think I'm sure we both agree that you shouldn't shoot people, you know, and you shouldn't execute them in public.

Speaker 83 And that's, I think that's two things must be true. That

Speaker 83 free speech, I'm an absolute free speech guy, and you have the right to say these things, and you definitely also have the right not to get shot by sharing your views.

Speaker 97 Five times she tried to get him to condemn Charlie.

Speaker 45 Five times and five times he kept going back to, this is not the time you don't start condemning a man's rhetoric after he's just been assassinated.

Speaker 74 Well, all you do is condemn the political violence.

Speaker 30 And she couldn't stop herself.

Speaker 13 And then she ultimately ends by suggesting, quote, these kinds of words lead to violence.

Speaker 22 Unbelievable, her insensitivity.

Speaker 49 What do you make of it, Andrew?

Speaker 4 Yeah, I mean, she's, she's doing the, the meme. Like, she's doing it where she's like, you had this coming.

Speaker 4 She's suggesting that Charlie Kirk had this coming and that something that he said was somehow justified the shooter's actions. And I find it appalling.
I find it

Speaker 4 really disgusting. And the fact that she's so out of touch, I, you know, and by the way, you got to say, like, the redemption arc of John Fetterman is truly remarkable.
I actually tweeted about this.

Speaker 4 I said, thank you, John Fetterman, for the moral clarity here. We need more of it.
Again, I go back to what I said earlier, Megan. I am very pro having a non-insane opposition party in this country.

Speaker 4 And it's like, we've got John Fetterman. It's like he's the guy.
He's the guy willing to like take the barbs when it comes to a number of issues. But I just find it really appalling.

Speaker 4 And this was an observation Charlie used to make all the time.

Speaker 4 It's like you take these people out of the box, like, you know, the TV set, you know, whatever, Katie Kirk's former career, and they fail time and time again. They become uninteresting.

Speaker 4 They be exposed for the frauds that they are. You are one of the ones, Megan, that has been able to grow and expand.

Speaker 4 And I think even become more popular getting outside of the system, outside of the network system. And you've done it.
You're one of the few.

Speaker 4 Most people, they kind of branch off and they try and do podcasts and stuff like and they totally expose what hacks they are and how uninteresting and unimpressive they are.

Speaker 4 And Katie Couric is sadly one of those people.

Speaker 6 It's amazing her hate, Blake.

Speaker 40 And you listen to him.

Speaker 9 You know, he's like, I chose not to argue his views right after he was killed so violently.

Speaker 81 You know, we have to disagree in better ways.

Speaker 12 His rhetoric was extreme. People felt a great deal of discomfort with his rhetoric.

Speaker 3 she just can't get past charlie's words which first of all is wrong factually but second of all is irrelevant when the man's just been assassinated well no but she she wasn't she wasn't saying it she said some people might say that his rhetoric was extreme i just i hate that

Speaker 3 okay you're not on network news anymore katie like you don't need all of this extremely fake neutrality which you also deliver in this weird little vocal fry voice it's just it's so grating it's so aggravating it's so played out.

Speaker 3 If you think Charlie was extreme, if you think he deserved it, just say it, Katie.

Speaker 85 Other people have said it.

Speaker 3 Other more popular people will say it. And just this fakery, this fraud nature of it is one of the most aggravating aspects.

Speaker 4 Well, can I also say, Megan, that, you know, we did a whole episode on the Charlie Kirk show debunking.

Speaker 4 most of the viral kind of lies that were going around about Charlie, especially from leftists, right?

Speaker 4 And so I'm sure she consumed some of those and she didn't see any of the context that some of those clips were taken out of context. They were cherry-picked.

Speaker 4 They were edited to make them look so egregious. And it's like we are living in two different algorithms.

Speaker 4 And so like, I want to shake her and just be like, Katie, there's more than what meets the eye. You obviously are believing lies about Charlie and smears against Charlie that are on the right.

Speaker 75 Like you take

Speaker 70 Don Lemon, okay?

Speaker 24 He and I don't get along on anything.

Speaker 18 He's attacked me many times. I've attacked him many times.

Speaker 77 He's a human being on this earth.

Speaker 24 I pray for him. I don't want anything bad to happen to Don Lemon.

Speaker 43 God forbid.

Speaker 80 I like if, God forbid anything were to happen to him, I would never, never, never run to the camera and talk about his rhetoric.

Speaker 14 There is absolutely no excuse for political violence against a pundit.

Speaker 80 Are you kidding me?

Speaker 82 And even to have the discussion so soon after Charlie died, it's so disrespectful.

Speaker 31 And what it's telegraphing is she favored it.

Speaker 29 She, at some level, she liked it.

Speaker 13 It's not totally dissimilar from the Jack Schlossberg conversation.

Speaker 19 The reason they're whitewashing all of his terrible comments is they liked them.

Speaker 72 They enjoyed them.

Speaker 55 They want him to keep doing it.

Speaker 4 And by the way, Megan, it's whitewashing on purpose.

Speaker 4 And this is why I got so upset about the Jimmy Kimmel thing when he lied about who killed Charlie, because he tried to make it out to be some MAGA supporter or whatever.

Speaker 4 What that communicates to the world, what Katie Couric's communicating to the world, that if you do these heinous acts, if you commit violence against people that had it coming, because we don't like the things they say or their ideas, that we're going to whitewash it and we're going to celebrate it.

Speaker 4 And you saw this also with Mad Mangione, where

Speaker 4 you had like... Taylor Lorenz saying that he was hot and that like he was somehow you know attacking an evil system and therefore this United healthcare CEO had it coming.

Speaker 4 This is the this justification and this this media whitewash that comes in after the fact, I think is just as damaging in some ways, if not more, because it's sending a signal to a bunch of crazy people that we're going to celebrate you.

Speaker 4 We're going to laud your actions in this public way if you do these heinous acts. And that's truly disgusting.
And it's like Blake and I used to say it in the immediate aftermath.

Speaker 4 It deserves repeating. It's like, let's make political assassinations taboo again.
Can we do that? Can we do at least that?

Speaker 46 Speaking of Taylor Lorenz, here she is just this week, I think it was, doing an interview with Jack Mack, who's just launched a podcast series.

Speaker 40 I think he's from Barstool Sports called Journalisming.

Speaker 13 And here's what she told him.

Speaker 53 This is this week, SAT 30.

Speaker 3 So we're in Central Park.

Speaker 3 This is the place that Luigi Mangion

Speaker 4 fled to and then got away.

Speaker 85 Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 4 You famously have said that you felt joy on that day.

Speaker 115 I felt joy that we were acknowledging the barbarity of our healthcare system.

Speaker 4 So do do you, okay, and do you...

Speaker 115 I stand by that 100%.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 92 you felt joy there was memes being shared in your group chat. A CEO has been dead.

Speaker 85 And like you also called,

Speaker 92 I think you called Luigi, is he a hero in your mind?

Speaker 115 I've definitely never said that.

Speaker 115 What I would say is that, yeah, I've definitely never said that in my life.

Speaker 92 A morally good man?

Speaker 115 Definitely never said that. I said his supporters view him as a morally good name.
I don't think we actually know much about his morality or kind of really much about his ideology.

Speaker 11 I think he's a reactionary.

Speaker 4 So do you think he's like a good person?

Speaker 92 I have no idea. We don't really know.

Speaker 85 I would say bad.

Speaker 92 We can't be like going out and shooting people right on the street.

Speaker 115 Obviously.

Speaker 37 But I think like we just don't even know enough about his ideology and his motivation.

Speaker 42 Okay, Blake.

Speaker 39 Who could know?

Speaker 34 I mean, how could we figure out whether Luigi is a good person?

Speaker 3 First of all, I also have to commend that host for getting Taylor Lorenz to go outside without a mask on. I'm not sure I've seen that in a while.

Speaker 3 But also, the big picture, and the thing that overlaps overlaps with Katie and so many of these others who justify what this happened, there is nothing more toxic and more damaging than telling people you can be cruel, you can do evil things.

Speaker 3 And actually,

Speaker 3 it's not even not a bad thing. It's actively a good thing.
You should feel righteous while doing it. You should actually feel bad if you don't do it.
And so much of modern leftism is...

Speaker 3 essentially about deliberately stoking that, stoking envy, stoking hate, stoking outright violence and saying these things are actually good. And we'll see that boil over sometimes.

Speaker 3 It's why I think the October 7th terrorist attacks were so evocative for so many people because you saw

Speaker 3 BLM groups in Chicago just overtly praise it, praise people going door to door, murdering civilians, murdering children, and saying that was a righteous thing.

Speaker 3 You should feel awesome that that happened. And you'll see it here in America.
You saw that during the Floyd riots in 2020. You'll see it,

Speaker 3 I mean, you see it with with Luigi Emangion, and of course, you're seeing it with the man who allegedly murdered Charlie, that they'll take a completely heinous act, a completely indefensible act, a thing we all know is heinous and indefensible, and say, it is heroic, it is good, and that's really intoxicating for people.

Speaker 14 Or even to debate the person's point is to invite more political violence.

Speaker 35 It's not that we can never discuss health insurance again because they executed the CEO of United Healthcare, but you don't do it right after, or you play right into the assassin's motivations and his goals, and you encourage another one.

Speaker 11 Same thing about Charlie.

Speaker 53 You talk about his violent rhetoric, which is a lie.

Speaker 11 Okay, put that to the side, though. You started talking talking about like, what, what did Charlie stand for?

Speaker 13 What did he say right after he's assassinated by somebody who hated his views?

Speaker 72 You play right into it and you encourage more of it.

Speaker 13 Not to mention Hunter Biden, who I'm sure you guys saw this, but he's got thoughts on Charlie's murder.

Speaker 18 Here is what he said in SOT 23.

Speaker 67 That is the narrative that is being spun by the right. I can think of another one that this kid, if it was this kid, was a graper.
And he is a

Speaker 67 Nick Fuente's acolyte. They want to create chaos.
And so it didn't matter whether you shot Charlie Kirk or whether you shot the Charlie Kirk's equivalent on the left.

Speaker 67 And I don't know who that would be.

Speaker 3 Probably someone like Yassan Pico.

Speaker 67 So

Speaker 67 there's an answer. He wasn't necessarily shot for his beliefs.
He was shot because he was one of the loudest people speaking out there. I don't know why Charlie Kirk was shot.

Speaker 67 Janice Owen says Charlie Kirk was shot because

Speaker 67 he was about to

Speaker 67 disavow Israel. Okay.
I don't know why Charlie Kirk was shot, but I do know this. It

Speaker 67 only served one group of people, Charlie Kirk's death.

Speaker 42 MAGA.

Speaker 52 Unbelievable.

Speaker 72 His death only served one group of people, MAGA, which frankly is the Jimmy Kimmel comment in different dress, in a different dress.

Speaker 6 It's the same thing.

Speaker 42 Like,

Speaker 28 this is something that's serving the MAGA wing.

Speaker 13 So, like, let's take a closer look at who actually murdered him.

Speaker 54 Wink wink, who stood to benefit.

Speaker 9 That's really what he's doing there, Andrew.

Speaker 4 Yeah, and it's first of all, yeah, it's untrue.

Speaker 4 And I encourage the whole like tendency of the left to say that all of these political assassins, except for I guess, Luigi Maggioni, are left or are of the right, right? This instinct is bizarre.

Speaker 4 It's crazy to me.

Speaker 4 I encourage everybody in your audience, Megan, to check out a guy named Turkey Tom. He's done a

Speaker 4 deep dive on some Discord chats.

Speaker 53 We did check that out.

Speaker 41 We almost went to air with it, but we couldn't shore it up to the point where we were comfortable with the reporting.

Speaker 17 But he did a deep dive on Tyler Robinson and his weird, furry trans lover.

Speaker 4 Yes. And I've been credibly informed, Megan, that those are authentic.
And so, you know, feel free to keep diving into them because

Speaker 4 I believe that they are authentic and it's a real window into the weird LSD, THC, vaping, incessant drinking, alcoholism, furry, fetish, you know, paranoid schizophrenia of this world that they were inhabiting with, yeah, furry fetishes and all kinds of stuff.

Speaker 4 This is black market HRT. So this was a very bizarre world that they were living in.
And so for a hunter to kind of wade into this water

Speaker 4 is,

Speaker 4 I find it confusing. I don't actually know what he's getting at.
But secondly,

Speaker 13 I'm telling you what he's getting at. He's pulling a Jimmy Kimmel.

Speaker 55 I don't know who killed Charlie.

Speaker 10 You know, maybe it was this.

Speaker 32 MAGA is the one who stood to gain.

Speaker 74 They're the ones, quote, benefiting.

Speaker 12 It's a clear implication that this guy was MAGA and was trying to help the MAGA movement by having a martyr.

Speaker 51 I mean, that's obviously what he's suggesting without having the balls to actually come right out and say it.

Speaker 4 Yeah, well, exactly.

Speaker 4 And it's funny because if you're actually in right-wing circles or if you're paying attention to any of the conversation online, everybody's worried about the infighting or the fractures within the conservative movement in the wake of Charlie.

Speaker 4 Like, this has not benefited MAGA.

Speaker 4 Charlie was such a force of nature for MAGA that keeping the coalition together, keeping the disparate tribes singing from the same hymnal,

Speaker 4 if you will.

Speaker 4 So A, it doesn't make any sense. But yeah, to your point, they want to whitewash it.
They want to make it look like political violence is a thing of the right.

Speaker 4 And they want to look like there was some grand conspiracy here.

Speaker 4 It's really disgusting. And I'm glad you...
showed me that. I had heard about this clip, but I hadn't seen it yet.

Speaker 4 So

Speaker 4 this is my first reaction to it. But I find it really, really disgusting, disgusting, this tendency to do it.

Speaker 7 Same.

Speaker 54 He really should have resisted the urge and the podcast host should have resisted the urge to join in, which is what he did.

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Speaker 13 Andrew Colvett and Blake Neff of the Charlie Kirk Show and Turning Point are back with me now.

Speaker 24 Guys, you mentioned it before we went to break and I do want to follow up on it.

Speaker 40 You know, the conservative movement is,

Speaker 18 I don't know how to say it's breaking in two right now, but it's definitely going through some growing pains over the issue of Israel.

Speaker 19 You guys have been watching it, so have I.

Speaker 27 We've been right in the middle of it, all of us.

Speaker 27 I have wondered to myself how Charlie would have navigated this, because if there's one group Charlie knew better than anyone, it was young people.

Speaker 17 And he saw the split on this issue of Israel coming amongst the young folks before most, since he was so in touch with them.

Speaker 33 And so, and yet he has, as you guys know, Turning Point has got many Jewish donors who did not feel as the young group feels and wanted him and Turning Point to be much more supportive of Israel.

Speaker 109 And now that that's only gotten worse, you know, in the past couple of months, like it's such a tricky issue. And I have asked myself many times, I wonder how Charlie would be handling this.

Speaker 74 What do you guys think?

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's an issue that Charlie thought about a lot, talked about a lot. And you're correct.

Speaker 3 He saw the sort of crackups that we're having today coming several years in advance because he spoke to young people a lot. He read the emails they they sent in.

Speaker 3 He could see the polls.

Speaker 3 He always would look at what the polls were saying about what sentiment was. And

Speaker 3 he would talk about this in private too. So you'd mention donors and all of that.
He would talk to our supporters who were Jewish or just generally big Israel supporters.

Speaker 3 And he would say, one thing you guys need to understand is young people are a lot less supportive of Israel. And he would try to chart out, I think, a viable future on that issue where he would say,

Speaker 3 guys, we have to be able to make the case that supporting Israel is an America first position.

Speaker 3 And if we can't do that, we may have to choose a more moderate path forward, where it might be we don't give them as much financial support, but we might still give them moral support.

Speaker 3 We can still back them up in other ways.

Speaker 3 But that a big reason, a big thing driving a lot of the anti-Israel sentiment was when you have overt financial support going to such a degree to another country.

Speaker 3 And he was was always trying to chart that out ways.

Speaker 3 We were discussing that even up to the point of his assassination. What are arguments we could make towards people who are hostile to Israel?

Speaker 3 And also, what can we make to supporters of it to try to hold the coalition together?

Speaker 53 Because

Speaker 53 it's very hard, Blake.

Speaker 56 Trust me when I tell you.

Speaker 69 It is very hard. If you want to make

Speaker 13 for both sides of that discussion, there is one side that will insist you not.

Speaker 53 You know, I mean, the sort of tucker, more isolationist wing of the Republican Party that's been highly critical of Israel is now, according to the more polite people who are neoconnie, no longer allowed.

Speaker 24 You're not allowed to have that discussion.

Speaker 13 And it's one of the things, you know, I've been trying to make space for both sides to discuss it. I know you guys have too.

Speaker 30 It's very infuriating because it's just the one side who says you're not allowed to let that other side in.

Speaker 3 Well, so what he would say is he would say what he wouldn't have room for. And what he would say is he has no room for actual anti-Semitism, Drew hate, as he called it.

Speaker 3 No room for it anywhere on the right because we're not a hate-based movement. And he would also say, okay, we are an American political movement.

Speaker 3 You must clearly articulate our political principles in terms of making America the number one priority and the American people the number one priority. And so he would emphasize those key points.

Speaker 3 And then he would talk about, I think what he would often emphasize is,

Speaker 3 guys, it's a huge problem if attacking Israel or criticizing Israel is some sort of top issue on the right. He would, that's why he talked about Islam so much in the last few months of his life.

Speaker 3 He was saying, guys, the clear threat to Western civilization that is unfolding, that is spreading across Europe and coming into America, is Islamization.

Speaker 3 And also, you know, the Mamdaniism, the various third world resentful ideologies. And those are the things that are poisoning in the West.
And we absolutely need a united front against those things.

Speaker 3 And we should be able to unite on that issue.

Speaker 3 And we can't allow something like criticizing Benjamin Netanyahu to break apart the coalition on when there's things that are far more important for us to be worrying about.

Speaker 7 Yeah. Yeah.
And

Speaker 4 I agree with that.

Speaker 4 Charlie was very much, I'm an American. I should be allowed to criticize my own government.
I should be allowed to criticize other governments, even if that government is Israel. Right.

Speaker 4 And I think what, you know, I was a part of a focus group with Charlie at the Student Action Summit in July. You were there, Megan.

Speaker 4 And, you know, it was an interesting thing because we asked these kids, you know, what are your feelings about Israel?

Speaker 4 And these, these were kids from all over the country, different geographies, different types of schools, Stanford to state colleges and

Speaker 4 everything in between.

Speaker 4 And most of them were not antagonistic per se to Israel.

Speaker 4 They just wanted the freedom to be able to have opinions that you know, were not orthodox American foreign policy, you know, for the last 60 years, right?

Speaker 4 So they wanted the freedom to be able to say and believe those things without being called an anti-Semite.

Speaker 4 And that was the space that Charlie was carving out, basically saying, you can have these opinions and you can still be a part of the club.

Speaker 4 You don't have to feel a certain way about Israel to be a part of America first or part of MAGA or part of the conservative movement. And so that was

Speaker 4 the course that he was charting. And I think we're still

Speaker 4 devoted to that and committed to that here at Turning Point and at the Charlie Kirk show because

Speaker 4 we don't want to say, hey, you can be a part of America first if you feel a certain way about another country. As long as you love.

Speaker 85 Charlie had a pinch.

Speaker 41 As long as you totally support Israel.

Speaker 4 Exactly.

Speaker 4 That makes no sense, I think, on so many levels. Now, Charlie had certain opinions about Israel, and he would go through point by point.
I actually did a tweet on this this week, Megan, about,

Speaker 4 and I showed four examples of Charlie working through very patiently with students their concerns about the U.S.-Israel relationship. But he didn't start resorting to ad hominems.

Speaker 4 He didn't resort to name-calling or saying that you're a bad person. It was like, hey, we're going to go point by point by point through your concerns, and I'm going to agree with you where I can.

Speaker 4 And yeah, we probably shouldn't, you know, have foreign involvement in the United States government.

Speaker 4 But, you know,

Speaker 4 he basically had a very

Speaker 4 morally clear stance that, listen, we are for America, America first, and you can have a wide-ranging opinion on this matter, and let's talk about it.

Speaker 13 Andrew, let me ask you about how Turning Point is doing because you were updating us for a while in like the number of chapters that kids have opened.

Speaker 13 There were, I think, a total of 2,000 chapters between high schools and colleges at the time Charlie was killed.

Speaker 24 And then there was a huge surge after his assassination by young people wanting to be a part of the group.

Speaker 19 Where do things stand now?

Speaker 4 Yeah, I think, yeah, there were 2,200 altogether

Speaker 4 approximately when Charlie was killed. And yeah, we had a surge of inquiries.
So that was a lot of people

Speaker 4 were talking about that. It was 136,000 inquiries to start new chapters or something incredible.
It was just an insane number.

Speaker 4 I think at this point, the starting chapters is actually quite a tough process, but we're doing 50 a day right now.

Speaker 4 50 new chapters are starting across the country at either a high school or a college campus every day, which if you know the amount of work that that takes to start those chapters, you understand how insane that is.

Speaker 4 And the field team is doing such incredible heroic work and the pulling off that the tour. You have to understand a lot of people

Speaker 4 I don't think have put this together. That field team that did those tours that you were a part of, that Glenn Beck was a part of, that Tucker was a part of, so many of these governors,

Speaker 4 it was the same team that was at UVU. And they were there when Charlie was assassinated.

Speaker 4 And they kept that tour going out of just sheer sense of duty and honor to to continue Charlie's legacy you know and when we wrapped that tour up we told most of them like please take some time off you you deserve this like go like you need to take time for yourself and to heal and to grieve but they they they every single one of them Megan said we're going to keep this going because we love Charlie and we need to keep the mission going and I don't know I just I there's not words enough to express my gratitude and my admiration for them because of just how difficult that was.

Speaker 4 And, you know, we had a meeting with somebody here at the office.

Speaker 85 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 69 Like those young staff

Speaker 18 who were clearly still in mourning, who were there at Virginia Tech putting on this event, like, you know, we got to do business as usual for Charlie.

Speaker 54 Go ahead, finish your thoughts.

Speaker 49 Sorry.

Speaker 4 Yeah, no, and, you know, we met with one of them here at the office after the tour wrapped, and it was, you know, tears in her eyes. And, you know, you could tell she was still grieving.

Speaker 4 She was still hurting. And she's one of the leaders of the tour.
And I was just,

Speaker 4 like I said, I can't express to you enough how proud I am of that team, of her.

Speaker 4 And I hope they take their time and they come back stronger and

Speaker 4 just understand what they accomplished because it was truly heroic.

Speaker 4 And I think our chapter count, though, Megan, just because you did ask about that, I think we're approximately at about 6,000, if not six, just shy of that now.

Speaker 4 So the number keeps growing every day, but it's like, it's truly amazing. And we're going to keep pushing until we have a high school chapter at

Speaker 4 every high school in the country. And that's 23,000.
So we're pretty much maxed out at the college level at this point. But high school, we're going to keep charging ahead.

Speaker 4 That was one of Charlie's last real mandates to the organization. We want to be in every, we want to Club America, which is our high school brand, at every high school in America.

Speaker 13 Let's do what the left does and get them while they're young. We've seeded the fight for the hearts and minds of young people for too long.

Speaker 13 And that was what Charlie Kirk saw when he was 18 years old and got this brilliant idea for a company called Turning Point.

Speaker 16 They're not going down without a fight on these campuses, Blake.

Speaker 19 There was an incident at Purdue University, Northwest, with a professor interrupting a Turning Point meeting.

Speaker 9 There was this incident from former professor David Kozak

Speaker 19 calling Turning Point USA supporters Nazis at Fort Lewis College on November 7th. Here's that,

Speaker 19 37.

Speaker 66 Come on, fascists.

Speaker 66 Let's need kindness. Come on with kindness.

Speaker 66 There's no need for that. There's no need for that.
We haven't said anything to you. Thank you.

Speaker 64 Giving the finger to the camera.

Speaker 66 You're a pleasant Jesus. Fuck the Nazis.

Speaker 66 Fuck the Nazis. Jesus loves you.
Oh, the Son of God loves you. And he loves Nazis too, huh?

Speaker 66 No, Jesus loves everybody.

Speaker 66 Christ, our God, loves everybody.

Speaker 66 God loves everybody.

Speaker 66 I hope you have a very blessed day, sir.

Speaker 7 Look at this toddler.

Speaker 3 It really is. It's what we were talking about earlier when you take an ideology that says, take your worst impulses, go up, be rude to people, curse them out, attack people.

Speaker 3 I mean, we've seen far worse from professors. We've seen them rip down our displays.
We've seen them basically attack students.

Speaker 3 And of course, we also see it when they celebrate Charlie's murder, which plenty of them have at this point.

Speaker 3 It is an ideology that embraces all of your worst personal temptations and says, indulge them, repeat them,

Speaker 3 marinate in them, hate other people, attack other people, hurt other people. And it tells you that is righteous.
All of those things you want to do, they're good things.

Speaker 3 You should feel bad if you don't do them. And the end result is you have lunatics who feel entitled to attack whoever they want and they're shocked

Speaker 18 they're shocked that other people would not want to do that a bunch of young kids who are in mourning by the way absolutely no sensitivity he's another katie curric you guys um we're heading to glendale arizona this weekend on saturday night the last night of our megan kelly live tour and we'll be interviewing your new ceo erica kirk as you both know i hope i see you there i salute you for all the great work you've been doing sending you all my love and support.

Speaker 3 Thank you. Thank you very much.

Speaker 4 We'll see you in Glendale.

Speaker 109 Good, good. I hope so.
Andrew, I'm going to give you a big hug when I see you. Lots of love.

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