What Happens Now with Comey and Letitia, Absurd Couric Comments, and J.Lo’s Revealing Outfit, w/ Aronberg, Davis, and Benny Johnson | Ep. 1201

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Yes, it's the press is too soft on Trump. But first, we have got to discuss this, what happened yesterday.

Speaker 1 A Clinton-appointed judge dismissing both indictments against James Comey and Letitia James, finding that Trump prosecutor Lindsey Halligan was improperly appointed.

Speaker 1 That sounds like a major victory for Comey and Tish James, but we took a closer look at the cases, and both Comey and James should not be celebrating quite yet because this thing is far from over.

Speaker 1 To help us dive into this, we're going to bring in two of our favorites, Dave Ehrenberg, former state attorney for Palm Beach County, Florida, and now managing partner of Dave Ehrenberg Law and MK True Crime Contributor, and Mike Davis, who's founder and president of the Article 3 project.

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Speaker 1 Guys, welcome.

Speaker 6 Great to see you for having me, Megan.

Speaker 1 Yeah, great to see you. So if you watch anything on the mainstream media, they would tell you this is a complete victory for Comey and Tish James.

Speaker 1 I realize it is is good news for today, very good news, but

Speaker 1 not quite so fast necessarily, because Mike Davis, why don't you outline for us what the court did here and what's going to happen next?

Speaker 7 Yeah, there is overwhelming evidence that James Comey lied to the Senate and obstructed a congressional investigation as it relates to Crossfire Hurricane, the biggest scandal in American history, where Democrats politicized and weaponized intel agencies and law enforcement to take out their political enemies.

Speaker 7 The prior interim U.S. attorney, who was on a 120-day appointment, refused to bring the indictment against Comey.

Speaker 7 He also refused to bring an indictment against New York Attorney General Tish James, where there is overwhelming evidence that she committed bank fraud when she lied on her mortgage application for an investments property in Virginia instead of a second home.

Speaker 7 So she got more favorable rates, higher risk. Lindsey Halligan got appointed as the next U.S.
Attorney and Trump U.S. Attorney by the Attorney General.

Speaker 7 She sought indictments against both Comey and Big Tish James. She secured those indictments with a Democrat-controlled grand jury in the suburbs of Washington, D.C.

Speaker 7 Certainly not a rubber stamp because this grand jury also rejected the more serious perjury charge against James Comey.

Speaker 7 They brought false statements and obstruction charges against him, but rejected the third perjury charge. So not a rubber stamp.
And again, a DC suburban grand jury of Democrats brought these charges.

Speaker 7 So what did both Tish James and James Comey do? They filed many motions to dismiss, many motions to derail these prosecutions. So Lindsay Halligan showed the receipts.

Speaker 1 But, but

Speaker 1 the specific issue at order here is an interesting one.

Speaker 1 I'll shift it over to you, Dave. There is a statute that says when you don't have like a permanent U.S.

Speaker 1 attorney installed, that the Attorney General can install one, and it says for 120 days, and then it suggests that after that 120 days,

Speaker 1 a district court may

Speaker 1 appoint someone to the position. And the question here is whether only

Speaker 1 a district court judge may appoint someone to the position after the first 120 days, which has expired.

Speaker 1 And the question is whether, since it was A.G.

Speaker 1 Bondi who put Lindsey Halligan in that position, after the temporary Trump A.G., the guy who was just holding the post until Bondi got confirmed, he appointed Siebert.

Speaker 1 Then Siebert walked. Siebert got, I think Siebert lived out his first 120 days.
He got reappointed by the judges of the district to continue. And then he either quit or was fired.

Speaker 1 It doesn't really matter. But the appointment of Lindsey Halligan was made by the AG.
So it kind of went AG appointment, judge appointment, AG appointment.

Speaker 1 And now Tish James and James Comey are arguing AG Bondi did not have the right to appoint. a successor.

Speaker 1 In other words, after that 120-day period of the initial appointment expires, only judges can appoint subsequent U.S. attorneys, which I have to say, Dave, seems completely wrong to me.

Speaker 1 I just, there is no way that that is what Congress intended in enacting this statute.

Speaker 1 It would take the powers of appointment away from the executive branch and give them to the judiciary, which makes zero, zero sense.

Speaker 8 Well, Megan, it's good to be back with you and my friend Mike.

Speaker 8 It's not just the judges, though. The president can still appoint a U.S.
attorney.

Speaker 8 That person just has to get confirmed by the senate the whole advice and consent thing and so what you can't do is that you can't appoint someone for the 120 days and they overstay their 120 days and then replace them with another acting U.S.

Speaker 8 attorney for another 120 days or else the appointments clause and the statute means nothing because then the president and the attorney general can just appoint one after the next after the next without ever having the u.s attorney confirmed by the U.S.

Speaker 8 Senate. And so that's the issue here.
And that's something that Judge Curry brought up.

Speaker 8 And by the way, the amendment to this law that says that the judges get to decide, that was passed after the whole Alberto Gonzalez U.S.

Speaker 8 Attorney scandal, where it became politicized in 2006 under George W. Bush.
And so the amendment was passed in 2007 in response to that. And it was designed to limit executive branch power.

Speaker 1 But, Mike, what the statute says, it's 28 U.S. Code 546 on vacancies, is except as provided in subsection B, the Attorney General may appoint a U.S.
Attorney for the district that's vacant.

Speaker 1 Subsection B is the only subsection for which the Attorney General may not appoint the U.S. Attorney.
What does subsection B say?

Speaker 1 It says the Attorney General can't do this if the Senate has already refused to give advice and consent on this person. That's not this case.

Speaker 1 The Senate has not refused to do advice and consent on Lindsey Halligan. So the the one exception in the statute to Bondi's ability to do this is not met.

Speaker 1 Then when it goes on to talk about the judges, it says if an appointment expires, the district court for such district may appoint a U.S. attorney to serve until the vacancy is filled.

Speaker 1 And the question here is whether that is an exclusive authority by the district judge or a concurrent one. Like

Speaker 1 they can do it or A.G. Bondi could do it.
And A.G. Bondi clearly thinks she can do it, that this is not an exclusive power to the district court.

Speaker 1 And there's a little bit of funny business in this Clinton-appointed judge's opinion where Judge Curry, her name is,

Speaker 1 she,

Speaker 1 your guy, Will Chamberlain, who was on our AM update this morning, pointed this out. It was a good point.
She had to break up the quotation of the statute and add her own words to make her argument.

Speaker 1 She goes to the part that says, hey, subsection D provides a single option for how subsequent appointments may be made.

Speaker 1 And she changed the words from: if an appointment expires, the district court for such district may appoint a U.S. attorney.

Speaker 1 She inserted the district court and only the district court may appoint a U.S. attorney.
That's the whole case. Like that's that language is not in the statute.

Speaker 1 And so the whole thing comes down to whether, after that initial 120 days dies, can the district court and the AG appoint a replacement or only the district court? Your thoughts?

Speaker 7 It's concurrent. And it's, look, this is what happened here.
You had this

Speaker 7 Obama chief judge of the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals, who that's the appellate court over the Eastern District of Virginia,

Speaker 7 hand-selected this Clinton judge from South Carolina, this Judge Curry, and she came in there and she got the result that the Democrats wanted here.

Speaker 7 This is pure judicial

Speaker 7 activism.

Speaker 7 As you said, Will Chamberlain at the Article III project pointed this out on his X thread, where it's very clear that this Judge Curry made up language in the statutes to get the result she wanted.

Speaker 7 And that is going to get reversed on appeal, maybe not at the Fourth Circuit, because the Fourth Circuit is dominated by Democrats, but it will certainly get reversed by the Supreme Court of the United States.

Speaker 7 But the Democrats got what they wanted here. They got an embarrassment for Lindsey Halligan, and they got delay in this case.
And so it is a purely political result here.

Speaker 7 And if this judge would have actually followed the statutes, you read them in harmony. You do not create constitutional conflict.

Speaker 7 That is one of the key canons for the judges to follow is to it's called constitutional avoidance. You do not create constitutional problems when you're interpreting the law unless you have to.

Speaker 1 If the judge, if the Supreme Court doesn't take it,

Speaker 1 if the Fourth District upholds this Judge Curry and U.S. Supreme Court says we're not taking this, then this decision would stand.
And

Speaker 1 then it would. It would.

Speaker 1 Basically,

Speaker 1 if

Speaker 1 the Fourth Circuit affirms her and SCOTUS refuses to take it, then this judgment will stand. And Halligan will be DQ'd.
She won't be able to prosecute this case.

Speaker 1 But now there's a debate about whether anyone will be be able to prosecute this case.

Speaker 1 Letitia James is 100% going to get re-indicted, but the question is whether Comey

Speaker 1 can be re-indicted. This is, again, assuming that Halligan

Speaker 1 is off the case.

Speaker 1 Comey has an argument that

Speaker 1 there was never a proper indictment, Dave, because the person who indicted him was not properly in the role.

Speaker 1 And Judge Curry, in her opinion, says, thus restoring James Comey to the position he was in pre-indictment.

Speaker 1 So she's basically trying to like completely nullify the indictment as though it was never brought. And the statute of limitations on him expired, I think, six days after she got the indictment.
So

Speaker 1 while normally the rule is you can re-indict somebody when your indictment gets thrown out within six months of the day your indictment gets thrown out, there's a question in this case about whether that would be possible

Speaker 1 given the judge's language about the whole thing is like nullified as though it never happened to begin with.

Speaker 1 Right, right.

Speaker 8 There's that Latin phrase, but void ab initio, which means it's void from the beginning. So you can't fix a defect when she did not have the right to even sign the indictment from the beginning.

Speaker 8 So the whole thing is void. I guess if you translate that Latin phrase, it means

Speaker 8 it's void from the beginning or you snooze, you lose. And I think that's more like it because here, the judge in this case, she even emphasizes your point that you mentioned, or the

Speaker 8 point that she mentioned in footnote 21. And this is where she hid in some dicta, which is non-binding language, which does show her hand that she does not think this case should be re-filed.

Speaker 8 And it says here on this footnote, An invalid indictment cannot serve to block the door of limitations as it swings closed. So I think that's her signal.

Speaker 8 Now, I think also from a public policy standpoint, you can make the argument that it's not good public policy to allow someone to appoint a prosecutor who does not meet the qualifications to be a prosecutor, who is there for the sole purpose of going after the president's enemies and got in there just shortly before the statute of limitations expired.

Speaker 8 And then because of that, you give them six extra months to redo it and cure the defect. that would game the system.

Speaker 8 And I think that's a good public policy argument to convince the appellate courts that, no, the door is closed. You can't refile this.

Speaker 1 Okay, but Mike, that footnote that Dave is talking about is this, Judge Curry cites two non-binding federal district court cases outside of her district.

Speaker 1 One is in...

Speaker 1 Well, one's from the... Okay, yeah, hold on a second.
Yeah, one's from the District of Maryland and one's from the Northern District of Illinois. Neither's from the Eastern District of Virginia.

Speaker 1 They would only be influential if they were her level, but she needs, she needs Fourth Circuit authority or Supreme Court authority to say this cannot be refiled. And

Speaker 1 what she cites, what Dave's quoted from there is, quote, this is from a parallel court in Maryland. An invalid indictment, however, cannot serve to block the door of limitations as it swings closed.

Speaker 1 And then she has one from the Northern District of Illinois that's similar.

Speaker 1 And then the judge goes on to say, but if the earlier indictment is void, there is no legitimate peg on which to hang such a judicial limitations tolling result, meaning

Speaker 1 if the initial indictment is void, you can't get the six months extension. Do you agree?

Speaker 7 No, not at all.

Speaker 7 That directly contradicts a very clear federal statute addressing this, 18 U.S.C. 3288.

Speaker 7 That indictment, the only way you would be able to get this thrown out is if they brought the indictment after the statute of limitations already, and then they threw out the indictment.

Speaker 7 You don't get six months if you're already beyond the statute of limitations. That's not what happens here.

Speaker 7 So that, and this just further shows that this Judge Curry is going out of her way as a political actor to protect Tish James and James Comey.

Speaker 7 That's very clear in the first sentence of both of her orders.

Speaker 7 And I'll just, she she gratuitously added these irrelevant digs at Lindsey Halligan that were not at all a part of her necessary for her analysis.

Speaker 7 She says on the date of the indictment for both Comey and Halligan, Lindsay Halligan, a former white house aide with no prior prosecutorial experience, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 7 That is completely irrelevant, whether she has

Speaker 7 a prosecute. This is just a political hit by this Clinton Judge Curry on Lindsey Halligan to discredit her.

Speaker 1 Yes, but what was the point of including that, Dave? Obviously, this judge is bitter and doesn't like Lindsey Halligan, which, you know, I'm sorry, but F her.

Speaker 1 No one gives a shit how she feels about Lindsey Halligan personally. That had no place in either decision.

Speaker 8 I will agree, it did seem gratuitous when I first saw it. I was surprised.
It was the very first sentence of the order, too, no less.

Speaker 8 And I think the reason why she put it in there was to demonstrate why this case should not be allowed to be filed under the savings clause, which says you get that extra six months if it's a procedural defect.

Speaker 8 She's trying to explain in advance of why this thing was null and void to begin with, because you had someone who is not qualified to be a prosecutor who was there for the sole purpose of just getting this indictment right before the statute of limitations.

Speaker 1 So let me just ask you something, okay? Because I never prosecuted cases. I never prosecuted.
I was never a criminal prosecutor. I was big law.

Speaker 1 I was at Jones Day for most of my nine and a half year career and on the partnership track and a successful lawyer.

Speaker 1 You want to tell me I couldn't be dropped into the Eastern District of Virginia and be the U.S. attorney? Bullshit.
I could do it tomorrow after 20 years off.

Speaker 1 So I don't accept that she's not qualified just because she never did criminal prosecution. Go ahead, Dave.

Speaker 8 You are absolutely right that you could be dropped in and you could do it. And so could Lindsey Halligan, quite frankly.
But the reason why they bring this up, I think, is more than gratuitous.

Speaker 8 I think it's just to show that this was an attempt at a bad faith prosecution where they fired Eric Siebert, Mike Davis's friend from the Federalist Society. It's irrelevant

Speaker 7 because he wouldn't

Speaker 1 have to be aware of that. It's irrelevant here.
I can see it's relevant to their malicious prosecution argument, which is happening in front of a different judge on a different motion.

Speaker 1 This is irrelevant to whether Halligan or whether only the AG or the district judges had the right to appoint Halligan. Go ahead, Mike.

Speaker 7 I would say this.

Speaker 7 Again, the evidence was so strong that a Democrat-controlled D.C. suburban grand jury brought indictments.
The FedSOC attorney didn't have any balls, and so he got fired.

Speaker 7 And they brought in Lindsay Halligan, and she actually had balls.

Speaker 1 And so FedSOC, Many Federalist Society?

Speaker 7 Yeah, the Federalist Society. Look, I always say that my friends in the FedSOC are very good attorneys, but they're pussies, right? They have no balls.

Speaker 7 And we, so we had to bring in, we had to get rid of this pussy attorney.

Speaker 7 He can go back to his FedSOC debate society where they, you know, they want to

Speaker 7 debate the nation's decay. And then we had to bring in a real attorney with balls, Lindsay Halligan, who actually saw the evidence and she brought the indictment.
And look, they want to criticize her.

Speaker 7 They want to call her legally blonde. You know, they want to say because Lindsay's beautiful, she must be stupid, right? And it's just complete horseshit.
It's the same thing with Megan.

Speaker 7 They think, oh, she's beautiful, so she must be a dumb attorney. These beautiful blondes will smoke these, these Democrat lawyers and these pussy Fedsock lawyers every day of the week.

Speaker 6 I mean, this is good, this is good TV.

Speaker 1 Keyword, yes. Oh, this is what we love about podcasting.
You can say it like it is. And I mean, I see his point, though.
Dave, I don't,

Speaker 1 whatever her objections are to Lindsay Halligan, I don't give a shit. I don't care.
They're not appropriate. She was just trying to undermine her.

Speaker 1 And as you point out, in the first line of both opinions, dismissing Comey and dismissing James.

Speaker 8 Look, I think it's fair because when I first read it, I thought it was gratuitous. But I do think the reason why she included that was to have a public policy reason why this should not be refiled.

Speaker 8 It's even though she dismissed this without prejudice, which said you could refile it, she's saying you shouldn't let an administration take advantage of the system that gives them an extra six months when from the beginning it was boy she was not qualified to be u.s attorney not appro not appointed properly and she got in and appointed for the sole purpose of getting in there just days before the deadline

Speaker 8 how is she not qualified to be the u.s attorney because she wasn't confirmed by the senate and she wasn't approved by the judges that's that's neither was qualified versus confirmed yeah exactly he was approved by the judges he was approved by the judges but

Speaker 1 you don't have to be approved by the the judges for this role.

Speaker 6 Yes.

Speaker 6 Yes, you do. After 120 days, you do.

Speaker 7 But that's the point. The statute is unconstitutional.

Speaker 7 If you're giving federal judges the ability to appoint these executive branch interim officers, but not the attorney general, that shows that the statute,

Speaker 7 if that's how it was written, which it wasn't, but if that's how these Democrat judges are going to misinterpret this statute to keep power and protect their allies, it's unconstitutional.

Speaker 7 It's a violation of the separation of powers.

Speaker 8 Doesn't

Speaker 8 the appointments clause talk about judges, though, Mike?

Speaker 7 It does. It does.
We talked about this before we went on air, but we also have Article 2 of the Constitution. So judges can appoint magistrate judges, for example, right?

Speaker 7 And they do that every day in the federal court system. They have the appointment power over U.S.
magistrate judges that do pre-trial work, do discovery. But I don't think U.S.

Speaker 7 district court judges have the Article III power to pick Article II interim officers over the objection of the President of the United States and the Attorney General of the United States.

Speaker 1 All right, let's. So we don't know what's going to happen.
I mean, we assume Bondi will appeal this.

Speaker 1 By the way, we covered this on AM update when it happened, but Bondi did try to cure whatever defect may be present by this Halligan not having been chosen by district judges by on October 31st, issuing a memo saying, like, I ratify, you you know, what she's done.

Speaker 1 This judge said, nice try, but no cigar. Close, but no cigar.

Speaker 1 So they will appeal. The Fourth Circuit, I don't know how they'll find.

Speaker 1 I would have to put money if I had to on, they'll affirm. It's a left-leaning court.
And then they'll try to appeal it, the DOJ, up to SCOTUS. SCOTUS may not want to touch this.

Speaker 1 I have to tell you my analysis on this. If I were SCOTUS, I'm like, I can kill

Speaker 1 at least one of these things, the Comey indictment and case, in one fell swoop.

Speaker 1 And that'll save me from having to get involved on all of the substantive issues that are also going to come up my way via vindictive prosecution and all the other arguments that he's raising.

Speaker 1 They're like, it's a procedural error. They made it.

Speaker 1 I can get out of this scot-free. So I would not

Speaker 1 bank necessarily in the Supreme Court taking this. Speaking of the P-word, okay, okay, we'll see.

Speaker 1 But if it's reversed

Speaker 1 and they say that the statute of limitations is extended, or if it's, let's say, even if they don't reverse it, if they at least find that the statute of limitations goes for six more months, Comey can be re-indicted.

Speaker 1 Do we all agree?

Speaker 6 Yes. Yes.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 So, and Tish James, without question, can be re-indicted, right?

Speaker 6 Yes.

Speaker 1 All right. The only question would be,

Speaker 1 would she, who's going to re-indict her? Because if Halligan actually is Ixnaid,

Speaker 1 then,

Speaker 1 and it's because we need a judge to decide who's like, this doesn't make any sense to me, Dave Ehrenberg. So what's the, like, let's just say Halligan's gone.

Speaker 1 Who's going to decide who's the interim acting U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia? The judges?

Speaker 8 Yes, Judge Curry's order actually said it was decided by the judges.

Speaker 1 If that happens, then you've got some judge-selected U.S. attorney,

Speaker 1 and then you have Trump saying, okay, well, I want Mike Davis, let's say, to be the actual U.S. attorney for Eastern District of Virginia.
He has to go through Senate confirmation.

Speaker 1 And then you have all these Democrats who don't want to.

Speaker 7 And Republicans.

Speaker 6 And Republicans.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and Republicans.

Speaker 8 Especially the FedSOC guys, yes.

Speaker 1 They might not understand his brilliance the way we do, Dave. And

Speaker 1 so forever, they stand in his way. And as a result, the president doesn't get his choice.
Even this isn't a judgeship. This is a U.S.
attorney position.

Speaker 1 Like, you see how this could be gamed so inappropriately by the Democrats

Speaker 1 if the ruling goes any way other than the way Mike and I think it should go.

Speaker 8 Well, that's the issue or the gaming seemed to be. from the piggybacking on previous acting U.S.
attorneys to get someone you wanted without having to go through the U.S. Senate.

Speaker 8 I see why you'd be upset about the judges doing it, and that could be a constitutional issue, but this statute has been around a long time. It has never been thrown out as unconstitutional.

Speaker 8 So maybe that's something the Supreme Court would take a look at. But Judge Curry's order said the judges will decide.
And if the judges do appoint the next acting U.S.

Speaker 8 attorney, there's no way that that acting U.S. attorney will prosecute either the Comey or the James case because they're a weak sauce.

Speaker 8 Although, if Trump gets to appoint his own, confirmed by the Senate, I think you'll see the return of at least the James case.

Speaker 7 Can I ask this, Megan? What happens when these Democrat activist judges in the Eastern District of Virginia pick their fake Republican as their U.S. attorney, the next Fed sock cock?

Speaker 7 So then what happens when Pam Bondi and President Trump say, okay.

Speaker 1 C U C K?

Speaker 7 Yes, exactly. Exactly.

Speaker 7 I'm trying to figure out what cuss words are acceptable on Megan's show. We can say shits.
We can't say shit.

Speaker 1 Pretty much all of them. I got to be honest.
Yeah, you can say it all.

Speaker 6 So here's the issue, Dave.

Speaker 7 What happens when this guy will not prosecute and Pam Bondi or President Trump say, okay, you're fired? Then what?

Speaker 7 Then

Speaker 7 the district judges are going to say, no, you're the president of the United States, but you don't get to fire your U.S.

Speaker 7 attorney because we're the all-powerful judges and we interpreted this statute to give us all the power over the U.S.

Speaker 6 Attorney for the next three years.

Speaker 8 We just saw this, this exact situation with Eric Siebert. He was appointed by the judges because he exceeded his 120 days and then Trump effectively fired him.

Speaker 8 So yes, I would think the president could fire that person and then the judges would have to reappoint someone else. So unless the president sends someone through the U.S.

Speaker 6 Senate.

Speaker 1 And then the Democrats, these Democrat judges can keep this going in perpetuity long past the six months to refile.

Speaker 1 So who's dead later?

Speaker 7 So who's playing the game, Deb, Dave? Who's playing the game?

Speaker 7 Is it President Trump and Pam Bondi who want a Republican who will actually do the job or these Democrat judges who are obstructing this with their gates.

Speaker 8 Well, here's my question though. If they want a Republican U.S.
attorney, they've got a Republican U.S. Senate last time I checked.
Why can't they just get the U.S.

Speaker 6 Senate to confirm them?

Speaker 7 Because we have blue slips, which is a bullshit process where home state senators get a hand select the U.S.

Speaker 7 attorney who would prosecute them, the district court judge who would oversee their corruption trial, and the U.S. Marshal who would escort them to prison.
So President Trump can't pick a U.S.

Speaker 7 attorney in a lot of these blue states because these

Speaker 7 senators are refusing to return blue slips.

Speaker 8 All you need is a majority in the Senate to change the rules, and the Republicans control the Senate. So if you want to change the rules, your friends in the Senate can do so.

Speaker 7 That's a fair point, but

Speaker 7 there would be 100 senator revolts if they lost this power. And that it doesn't seem like it should go away, but it won't.

Speaker 7 But in the meantime, you can't have these Democrat judges misinterpreting federal statutes to give federal judges more power to protect their political allies. They're not

Speaker 1 I have a question for you. So

Speaker 1 if the

Speaker 1 okay, let's say they

Speaker 1 it gets decided in a way that gives the government six months to refile against Comey and James, both of them.

Speaker 1 So I don't know whether Halligan is on the case in this scenario or she's not, but the government gets six more months to re-indict them both. Do they have to go back before a grand jury again?

Speaker 1 Do you have to start at square one? Do you guys know the answer to that?

Speaker 7 Yes. And Pam Bondi can go in as the attorney general and get this indictment regardless of who the U.S.
attorney is. And so, and I think Todd Blanche.

Speaker 1 But are we a little scared about that? Are we a little scared about that, Mike?

Speaker 1 Because now that the cases have had so much attention, you know, the alleged grand jury pool has been manipulated by nonstop media coverage about how this is retribution and so on.

Speaker 1 Are we a little worried about her ability to do it twice?

Speaker 7 I would, if I were the attorney general, I would bring, I would seek the indictment in the Richmond division of the eastern district of virginia and not the alexandria division of the eastern district of virginia i'd go somewhere where the people are a little bit less democrat and less crazy sorry dave but uh

Speaker 7 but uh that's what i would recommend if i if i were if anyone ever listened to me what do you think

Speaker 7 i think they want to get to the southern district of florida where judge aileen cannon is i think that's where they want to go yes that's that's exactly right these are the appetizer indictments in virginia the appetizers got sent back.

Speaker 7 It's time to go for the main course down in Fort Pierce, Florida.

Speaker 1 That's what Mike's been saying all along, that there could be a sort of a grand conspiracy case coming out of Florida that's going to pull in all of these same actors.

Speaker 1 And the statute of limitations on that will not have run. Not for Comey, not for any of these guys.
I know

Speaker 1 you guys have got to run. So I thank you both so much.
It's great to have you both. Dave, Mike, till the next time.

Speaker 8 Thank you, Megan.

Speaker 1 Okay, I do want to tell the audience this.

Speaker 1 This came out this morning. Hold on.

Speaker 1 This is my update packet. There's so much material, as always, as you guys know, because we want to make sure that everybody knows exactly what's going on.
And here's the interesting thing.

Speaker 1 There's new evidence now against Tish James. And this is very interesting.
So I'm just going to take a few minutes and tell you about it.

Speaker 1 So, you know, this bank, it was like a mortgage fraud case against her. She cares about mortgage fraud.
Don't let her tell you she doesn't.

Speaker 1 She's made a long, long history now of saying, doesn't matter whether there's a victim, doesn't matter whether there's a bank complaining or who lost any money.

Speaker 1 All that matters is you committed fraud in the abstract, and that will subject you to liability, in her case, potentially criminal liability. So those are her standards.
We're just playing by them.

Speaker 1 She has argued.

Speaker 1 We did this on AM update. Did you hear her denial? She's like, I remain fearless.
Like, who calls themselves fearless? I am fearless. Like, a normal person says, I'm not afraid and I'm innocent.

Speaker 1 She's like, I am fearless. Because of course, she's got to be this like self-grand, aggrandizing, like, just kind of pathetic.
I felt uncomfortable reading it.

Speaker 1 Like, Tish, a fearless person doesn't say, I am fearless.

Speaker 1 Just don't. Okay, so it made me uncomfortable, but there she is.
That's her whole thing. She's trying to turn this into like, I am woman, hear me roar.

Speaker 1 But she's in increasing amounts of trouble. So the MSM will tell you that there's absolutely no case against her.
Au contraire, au contraire.

Speaker 1 We had the former CFO of Crazy Eddie, remember that? The TV company, Crazy Eddie?

Speaker 1 He went to jail for a long time on felony fraud charges. And he has since spent, I think, the last 30 years or so.

Speaker 1 working with the white hat on, trying to help people

Speaker 1 figure out when there is fraud and when there isn't, help the government figure it out in cases. And he took a hard look.
He's not even a Democrat. He doesn't even, not even a Republican.

Speaker 1 He doesn't like Trump. But he took a look at this.
And what he found was

Speaker 1 she's in a lot of deep doo-doo because she represented one thing to the mortgage company about this home at issue and the Virginia case against her being her secondary residence, meaning she was getting it as a vacation home, basically.

Speaker 1 And then she was telling the IRS something very different, claiming it as an investment property, which has a different meaning. And let me just put it to you this way.
If you get a second home,

Speaker 1 same as your first home, you can deduct things like your mortgage interest and I think your property taxes from what you pay.

Speaker 1 I'm not an accountant, but if memory serves, you can deduct those two things from your income taxes, right? Just to show like, I had to pay those things and I don't have to pay on them again.

Speaker 1 If you buy an investment property, one that you're going to rent out,

Speaker 1 one that potentially you're going to, you know, resell, whatever,

Speaker 1 to make the money off of it, that you can deduct a lot more, actually, expenses.

Speaker 1 I think I wrote this down, hold on. On an investment property, you can deduct mortgage costs, rental income,

Speaker 1 insurance, mortgage payments, property tax, and capital gains. So there's a lot that you can deduct.
on that kind of a property.

Speaker 1 And it has, we knew when we had the CFO accountant from Crazy Eddie come on,

Speaker 1 you know, convicted felon, he's quick to admit, he kind of uses it to show you that he does no fraud when he sees it.

Speaker 1 But he had pulled her IRS filings and he said she's been claiming this house, the one at issue, that she told the mortgage brokers would be her secondary residence as an investment property, which is a legally different animal for years with the IRS.

Speaker 1 And he said that right there is going to show the jury, if it gets that far, that she was deceitful. It can't be both at the same time.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 it's very clear

Speaker 1 she did this. She classified them differently, depending on what audience she was in front of.
And then this comes out in the latest document that was filed against her

Speaker 1 by the DOJ.

Speaker 1 Letitia James moved to dismiss for vindictive and selective prosecution. And in response, the DOJ revealed new evidence against her, including a text message March 28th, 2024.

Speaker 1 And it was about how she's taking deductions on, again, what we know is actually an investment property, not a second home in Virginia, the one at issue in this case. And she texted him saying,

Speaker 1 this is to her accountant, okay, her accountant. So this is an IRS filing.

Speaker 1 And she says,

Speaker 1 I do not want to take deduction. It looks suspicious, and I need to do everything according to the tax code.

Speaker 1 So she'd been taking the deduction for years, by the way.

Speaker 1 For years.

Speaker 1 The government represents James represented that the Perrone residence, that's the one in Virginia, was an investment property in her income taxes, including taking deductions consistent with investment property, not a secondary residence, because that was more tax advantageous to her.

Speaker 1 These deductions demonstrate that James never occupied nor intended to occupy the Perrone residence as the mortgage terms required.

Speaker 1 That's what she promised the mortgage lender she would do, and she didn't.

Speaker 1 Defendant continued taking the investment property deductions for several years until in 2024, she told her accountant, I do not want to take deduction.

Speaker 1 It looks suspicious, and I need to do everything according to the tax code. Now, March of 2024,

Speaker 1 you've got Donald Trump as the nominee, Joe Biden extremely weak. June of 2024, he would have his meltdown.
November of 2024, Trump would be elected.

Speaker 1 But in March of 2024, the numbers were already spiraling, and there were serious questions about whether Joe Biden could win.

Speaker 1 And I think she's sensing there is the possibility of a Donald Trump return to office where somebody takes a closer look at my documents.

Speaker 1 And clearly, she realized that there was a massive inconsistency in what she was doing. One could argue a fraudulent inconsistency in what she was doing.

Speaker 1 And this will 100% come back to haunt her if, well, when her case gets refiled. We'll see if the throwing out gets affirmed on appeal.

Speaker 1 But even if they affirm the fact that Lindsay Halligan couldn't do this, She's getting re-indicted. And by the way, the case against her has only gotten stronger.

Speaker 1 So a grand jury, I actually do have a lot of faith, will reindict her.

Speaker 1 And fearless or not, she's going to have her hands full with texts and documents like these. Okay, coming up next, Benny Johnson.
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Speaker 1 Here with me now, Benny Johnson, host of the Benny Show on X, YouTube, Insta, and all podcast platforms. Benny, great to see you again.

Speaker 1 We have got to talk about the mainstream media anchor, Katie Couric. Well, no one's media anchor right now, just has her own show, which is not really doing that well.

Speaker 6 But anyway, she clearly produces from a closet in like her studio.

Speaker 1 Absolutely no effort at hair or makeup. I object.
There has to be some effort for us all. Trust me.
I don't look like this when I wake up either, but I make an effort because I'm on camera.

Speaker 6 Yes, you know, I have the best that head and shoulders two-for-one Costco special shampoo can provide.

Speaker 1 All you guys have it so easy. I look over at Doug in the morning.
He's at his sink. I'm at mine.
I'm like, you wake up looking like that.

Speaker 2 It's just not fair.

Speaker 6 Can I give you my favorite conspiracy theory really fast? Yeah. That all of the lib podcasters who've been banished from their corporate media platforms that kept them so beautiful and powerful,

Speaker 6 almost like a Frankenstein's monster, well beyond their expiration date, that they're all morphing into the same person.

Speaker 6 So like Rachel Maddow and Keith Oberman and Katie Couric,

Speaker 6 and they're all like looking looking the same.

Speaker 6 Yeah,

Speaker 6 they're all becoming the same like androgynous,

Speaker 6 weird, neutered, frail,

Speaker 6 like like

Speaker 6 crunched up, like angry little vestibule of hate.

Speaker 6 And they're all doing, it's very bad. You know, it's very bad what this stuff does, what this ideology does for you as a person.
You know,

Speaker 1 everyone on our side is becoming Melania Trump. I mean, yes, that's what we do.
That's exactly right.

Speaker 6 Who wants to look like RFK when they're 71?

Speaker 6 What do you mean? They're 71. I mean, that is like

Speaker 6 what every man actually wants to look like.

Speaker 6 He's very,

Speaker 6 yeah,

Speaker 6 you know, clearly quite attractive to

Speaker 6 a number of young reporters.

Speaker 1 But I think

Speaker 6 Ronald Dahl has this great quote. I'm sorry to go off on a tangent here, but he has this great quote about how no matter how beautiful you are,

Speaker 6 your ugly thoughts will begin to appear on the outside very quickly if you have ugly thoughts on the inside.

Speaker 6 And beautiful people remain beautiful well into their old age.

Speaker 6 We all have a grandmother, right, that we can like close our eyes or like a godmother, we can think about and how beautiful they were, even in their 80s, right?

Speaker 6 Because they were beautiful on the inside. And that twisted, warped, and cruel people filled with hate.

Speaker 6 That those people become twisted, warped, and cruel, no matter how fleeting their beauty might be, they'll always become that on the outside. It'll manifest.

Speaker 6 And I think you can really

Speaker 1 ants and James and the giant peach. Yes.
I don't know. Like you spend enough time with Roald Dahl and you'll see what he does to the characters you really can't stand.

Speaker 1 They all want, like, look at Augustus Gloop. Baruch Assalt was pretty, but not by the end of the movie.
You weren't feeling that when you watched her go down the egg educator, egg decator.

Speaker 1 That's right. At any event, point taken.
I agree with you. Yeah.

Speaker 6 So it's like, that's what they're all becoming. And I find that fascinating to watch at scale.

Speaker 6 That now that, like, instead of like going off into the sunset, yeah, instead of going off into the sunset.

Speaker 1 This is Katie Couric.

Speaker 1 I'm sorry. Okay, I'm just saying we all need to work on it, including you, Katie.

Speaker 1 I'm saying it from love.

Speaker 1 Along with Jensaki, who

Speaker 1 understands because she actually still has her TV job, the hair and makeup can make a difference, but has decided to bring her least attractive self onto Katie's podcast.

Speaker 1 Maybe it's because they know literally nobody's watching, but I don't know.

Speaker 1 Look at this absurd exchange about the problem with today's media.

Speaker 9 More and more of the questions in there are by sycophants, are by people who are not asking about news that the American people cares about, but they're asking about...

Speaker 9 I mean, literally a question has started more than once. Why is Trump in such good shape, right? Or they are,

Speaker 9 you know, putting out conspiracy theories. There are people who, and they are getting a lot of the questions.
There are some of the people who are in the press pools.

Speaker 9 This means that reporters who are there to cover MBS being at the White House or to cover Zelensky being at the White House or to ask these questions that Mary Bruce fortunately asked yesterday, there are fewer of them.

Speaker 9 And that is,

Speaker 9 you don't know that and see that unless you've lived there, but that's a huge, huge problem because it's becoming more of a Kremlin-esque press corps.

Speaker 1 Right. And they've invited a lot of reporters from very right-wing media outlets.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Unlike the good old days prior to Trump, when the media was so hard on people like Obama and Biden, I'll give you the sound bite, Benny, then you take it out on the backside 24B.

Speaker 1 Mr. President, what are you doing?

Speaker 1 Chalka, chalka, chip.

Speaker 7 You don't have any doubts that you're ready. No.

Speaker 7 Where do you get all this confidence?

Speaker 7 How are you finding the job?

Speaker 7 It's exhilarating. It's challenging.
What's the most frustrating part of the job?

Speaker 7 Did you take a day off?

Speaker 9 I got to tell you, when you walked in, I checked out, is she wearing them?

Speaker 1 You're not wearing your chucks today.

Speaker 1 Trump has questioned Joe Biden's mental fitness and his cognitive skills. What do you want us to know about that? I mean, Joe is working so hard every day.

Speaker 7 And if she become first gentleman, what would that say about you know defining the gender role and about masculinity?

Speaker 11 When you watch the news, when you read the news, what do you think we get wrong?

Speaker 11 Or journalists who watch what you do, what's your advice for them about trying to stay close to the truth in this world of lies?

Speaker 11 Is the relationship between the White House and the Press Corps now at least functional in ways it wasn't in the Trump years?

Speaker 7 We hear he's lifting weights.

Speaker 7 What sort of weights is he lifting? Does he have a personal training?

Speaker 1 But I can tell you, having traveled with him a fair amount,

Speaker 9 sometimes he's hard to keep up with.

Speaker 6 So two major takeaways from that, Megan. One, that's not good TV.
So let's just start at the basic level. You have to have people watching.
So this kind of like toe-sucking sycophancy

Speaker 6 is not fun to watch. It's not entertaining to watch.

Speaker 6 Like on your show here, right? Like, what would be the equivalent of that? Megan, you're so beautiful.

Speaker 1 Oh, just go.

Speaker 6 How is it so hard being so smart how smart are you okay you could do the tissue

Speaker 6 how fearless are you are you just as courageous and fearless as i thought you go girl yeah wow like that's no fun by the way that's exactly right like that it first off is just terrible for the entertainment value for the news value uh none of like none of that works as an actual product so start with that but then the grab graduate into what is without question the single greatest fraud, the most dangerous fraud pulled on the American people, which Jen Saki was the architect of, to her great and abiding shame, which was that Joe Biden did not suddenly develop stage five pancreatic cancer metastasized to his bone, which all experts say is a death sentence.

Speaker 6 That is a horrible thing.

Speaker 1 That's an awful thing.

Speaker 6 Prostate cancer. Prostate cancer, yes.

Speaker 6 Yes, prostate cancer. Metastasized to his bones, which takes, according to medical experts, 12 years or more.
They knew that Joe Biden had this terminal illness.

Speaker 6 They knew that he was suffering from it. He was most likely being prescribed an enormous amount of medication to deal with it.

Speaker 6 And that's what made Joe Biden so zoinked out of his brain, falling directly on his ass in front of military graduations, right? Like this was a...

Speaker 6 This was one of the largest scale lies ever perpetrated on the American people. And that's a long list to be at the top of.

Speaker 6 And so Jen Saki was the major proponent and purveyor of that sinister lie that put this diseased and crippled old man into the hardest job in American history at the time when he was getting people killed with these Afghanistan withdrawals, when he was crippling our nation with open borders and so on, being taken advantage of because he was a dying man.

Speaker 6 It is indefensible. It is immoral.

Speaker 6 It is sick and wrong.

Speaker 6 And so for Jen Saki, of all people, to have a bloody cheek and to go on there and harp about reporters not asking tough questions or the press secretary not getting tough questions when she herself was on a level of Kremlin Soviet propaganda encouraging not only Joe Biden to run again.

Speaker 6 When who knows how long he has to live, we know he's in end stage cancer treatment right now. So what was the what was the goal there, Jen?

Speaker 6 Was the goal there for Joe Biden to die in office and then Kamala to take the reins? How sick and dark and twisted are you, people? Get ye to a nunnery, to a church. Like

Speaker 6 get down on your knees and pray for forgiveness for what you've done to the American people. That's clearly the worst and darkest thing that I probably hopefully will ever see in American politics.

Speaker 1 That you took advantage of something. darker for the dedication.
Take advantage of this

Speaker 1 poor old man. But no, I, so Jen Saki is living in la-la land, of course, if she thinks that Trump is the one getting sycophant questions as opposed to her old boss.

Speaker 1 When the White House press corps had press briefings under her and her successor, Corine Jean-Pierre, the only hard questions that were asked for the most part were questions like, the Republicans are arguing X.

Speaker 1 Can you respond? Right? Like, that's as adversarial as they get because they wanted to tee up

Speaker 1 Jensaki or Corine Jean-Pierre into ripping on the right half of the country.

Speaker 1 Now, at best, under Trump, which has a few more open doors to people who are open-minded to Trump, now you might get a more fair and balanced question from a right-wing perspective, right?

Speaker 1 Like, what is it that those six lawmakers did wrong in the video? As opposed to, how dare you threaten death for innocent U.S. lawmakers, right?

Speaker 1 So, that's why he has more fair and balanced reporters in there now, because he's like, maybe I could get some fair questions from one or two

Speaker 1 in between getting abused by everybody else that's in there. That's what Caroline Levitt goes through every day.

Speaker 1 She wants to pretend that in the good old days when she was there, it was universally tough questions for Biden, and she was just super deft at handling them. We got a minute to break, Benny, go.

Speaker 6 Well, I mean, of course, what you want is you want a reporter suite from a different perspective,

Speaker 6 and you don't want one ideological block to be asking questions because that's not the American people. We aren't one ideological block.

Speaker 6 Megan, you were just on a massive tour around the entire country. You saw all of these different audiences.
You saw the different applause lines.

Speaker 6 Even inside of this ecosystem, there are such a diversity of opinions. And you spoke with people and you heard the booze and the laughs and the applause.
And it's different everywhere.

Speaker 6 And so you need those perspectives to be represented. And the best way to represent that is to ask a question.
Just hearing your perspective asked is a pressure release valve on society.

Speaker 6 And so it's a good thing what Trump's doing.

Speaker 1 Right. That's not how they see it.
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Speaker 1 You do not need cinching.

Speaker 6 Well, I was going to say,

Speaker 6 that's the perfect vest for David Muir of ABC News.

Speaker 6 It's perfect, Megan. He's probably your number one customer right now.

Speaker 1 He's probably on there.

Speaker 6 If you know, you know.

Speaker 1 Titer.

Speaker 6 Megan, I just want to, it is your show, so I just want to give you an opportunity to explain that joke because it is absolutely one of my favorite rants of yours in history.

Speaker 1 Oh, the David Muir thing?

Speaker 7 That was the biggest.

Speaker 6 I mean, that was the biggest cinch that ever cinched.

Speaker 1 A rain jacket?

Speaker 1 So not only did it get caught. No, it wasn't a rain jacket.
It was a fake fireman's jacket.

Speaker 1 He was pretending pretending like your little boy and mine, that he was a little fireman with his little reflective stripes on it. And then he made the mistake of turning to gesture to something.

Speaker 1 And we all saw the clothespins on the back of his fireman's jacket at a disaster scene. It was like massive floods.
People were dying.

Speaker 1 He was worried about his waistline.

Speaker 1 And he did it again, Benny, because we caught him out in the field at yet another disaster wearing literally this, a tight, I don't think his tight black t-shirt would have fit me he got like my size and put it on his man body

Speaker 1 and it looked normal in one of the shots and then when he got to the anchor uh shot it looked all super cinched again the man loves showing off his teeny tiny waistline

Speaker 6 What is that exactly?

Speaker 6 I mean, I guess he's just trying to delay the inevitable androgynous morph into the Rachel Maddow archetype, which, by the way, we didn't get a chance to say, like the cliff of Katie Kouric and Jen Saki, they're like indistinguishable, right?

Speaker 6 It's like they're all because they're all coalescing into the same hive mind, the same person, the same like sort of hermaphroditic, like sad, crippled old person. It's terrible.
It's terrible.

Speaker 6 It's wonderful to see you on the road because I was watching those clips and the energy was incredible in those stadiums.

Speaker 6 And I know that it's not on the slate and the suite that your producer sent to me to talk about. But if you don't mind, can I ask a question on here? Like, that seems like a spiritual experience.

Speaker 1 It was wonderful to see it's wonderful to see that kind of energy it's kind of the turning point energy that we get at these large stadium events um you know what's your biggest takeaway from that tour are we what spiritual moment are we in as a country right now since you've been out you know with the people i mean my my biggest takeaway was how healing it was for us all to be together it wasn't just me with the audience it was the audience with the audience you know people need to be with others and and when you can be surrounded by thousands of others with shared values, it's church.

Speaker 1 You know, it's church on steroids. Like so many people, for example, in Arizona and California, which were the last couple of stops on the tour, had flown in from Washington State.

Speaker 1 One family had flown in from the UK. A woman wrote me a very nice note about it in my show mail.
Like people came from all over. Why did they do that?

Speaker 1 Because they wanted to see the show and they wanted to see the guests and so on, but like they also wanted to be together.

Speaker 1 And so sitting sitting there, getting all the inside jokes, laughing with one another, rolling our eyes at the ridiculous left, it's therapeutic.

Speaker 1 And so, while the right is having like some infighting right now, Benny, and they're important infights, like they do need to be settled.

Speaker 1 Like, the stuff on Israel, there's something shifting in the party, and it's going to have to go through this and settle wherever it needs to settle. It was a long time coming, frankly.

Speaker 1 Net net, we're still together. Net net,

Speaker 1 nobody who's having these fights is going to vote for a Kamala Harris. They're all going to vote for a Donald Trump or a Marco Rubio, and I think for a J.D.

Speaker 1 Vance, too, even though the neocons, he won't be their first choice, but they're not going to vote for an AOC over him. So we're in the same family.

Speaker 1 We're having a family squabble and it matters, but the big picture is what really matters. And that's, I think, what I felt more than anything.
Like the audience felt that.

Speaker 1 Like that night I had Tucker. The next night I had Ben.
Half the audience, you know, was on Tucker's side. Half the audience was on Ben's side, whatever, rounding my numbers.
But they all still came.

Speaker 1 They all still wrote letters, they got fired up about one and maybe not the other, but we're all still part of the same family, you know, and I know your viewers are part of the same family too, and this was, it was great for me too.

Speaker 1 It's great for them. And honestly, like, I was struck, just on a separate level, by the vast diversity in the audience, Benny.
You know, like in this

Speaker 1 Realm, you don't really know exactly who your audience is. Like when I was on Fox, I knew exactly what the key demos were.
I knew how many I had over 55.

Speaker 1 I knew how many I had, you know, who are true senior citizens. I knew how many young people I had watching the show every night.

Speaker 1 And they would break it down for you demographically in terms of men and women, race. You could find anything out you wanted thanks to Nielsen and some other metrics.

Speaker 1 And now you don't really have that. So it's like amazing.
And my takeaway is.

Speaker 1 It's everybody. It's like, it's young people.
It's middle-aged people. It's old people.
It's men. It's women.

Speaker 1 It's people who have money, it's people who are working class, it's truck drivers, it's doctors, it's judges, it's dig ditcher or ditch diggers, like it's you name it.

Speaker 1 Like, I was very proud of what an array there was in terms of socioeconomic status.

Speaker 1 And also, I would say, you know, maybe we have at the tour, we had slightly more female attendants than we did male, but like tons and tons, thousands and thousands of men who bought tickets and come and who've been watching me.

Speaker 1 They tell me for 25 years, you know, it's crazy numbers. Anyway, it's good too.
And I'll give you one other thing. Sorry, now I'm really rambling, but you and I both know in our business,

Speaker 1 your primary interaction with the world can be on X,

Speaker 1 which I love and is my primary news source, but also is a disgusting, filthy, toxic place where you get nothing but vitriol. That's what we all sign up for.
You go to Insta for the niceness.

Speaker 1 You go to X for the nastiness. And

Speaker 1 if you spend too much time there, you can think that's real life.

Speaker 1 And so getting out and seeing like a bunch of people who really listen to the show and actually know me, you know, unlike the fake internet shit, like people that spend 10 hours with me a week, they know me.

Speaker 1 And interacting with them is so uplifting and just a good grounding reminder of what's real and not to listen to like the nasty haters. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 6 Yes, totally. And not like I'm here to give your producers or the people who put your tour on advice.
I'm not smarter than them, but as a man,

Speaker 6 can I give you a suggestion just to increase increase male attendance

Speaker 6 at these events?

Speaker 6 If you want to increase male attendance at your next tour, then all you need to do is just have one scheduling mistake. And you simply need to schedule Ben Shapiro and Tucker Carlson on the same night

Speaker 6 and trick one of them. Okay.
And then welcome them both on stage at the same time. And then just watch what happens, right? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Then put the octagon up okay and do the cage match yeah and just let it happen right i think that's what everybody wants in fact i would have loved to trust me benny i tried very hard to convince them to talk behind the scenes i i offered to do a private coffee in which i moderated obviously i offered the show if they wanted to do that but i didn't want to commercialize it it was really just truly about trying to find a way where they could

Speaker 1 i don't know get to détente private nicotine pouch session yeah yeah neither one is in that headspace right now it's too bad That's kind of what Charlie always did, right?

Speaker 6 Is he always moderate? You know, he always brought these forces together, like the Infinity Stones, you know, and broke the gravitational

Speaker 6 incompatibility and then shoved guys like Elon Musk and Trump together, which is still miraculous, RFK Jr. and Trump together, which is still miraculous.

Speaker 6 You know, sort of like bridging the populist and that's the same thing.

Speaker 1 Charlie shoved me and Trump together. He shoved me and Trump together.
That's where I first saw Trump. Yes.

Speaker 1 We'd already made up years earlier, but I hadn't seen him in like three years until Charlie said, come meet him backstage at the turning point event. And I did, and everything was fine.

Speaker 1 And then we had an interview right after that. Like, thanks to Charlie.

Speaker 6 You talk about how there's infighting in the party right now. And everybody, that's obviously the headlines because they want to rip MAGA to pieces.

Speaker 6 On some levels, they've been successful with like the Epstein op. And we can talk about that.

Speaker 6 But I want to talk about it as, you know, in its totality, there's this incredible map, and I don't have it immediately printed printed out in front of me, that shows the ideological spectrum of the left and right.

Speaker 6 It's pretty famous. This gets posted on X all the time.

Speaker 6 And it shows how narrow the ideological perspective of the left has become because

Speaker 6 they practice true intellectual purity, like true proper fascistic

Speaker 6 thought policing occurs on the A left. And so the blue circle

Speaker 6 of what is ideologically acceptable on the left is teeny.

Speaker 6 And then it maps the right. And this is a peer-reviewed scientific study.

Speaker 6 And it shows something that is at least 10x or 15x bigger that shows the various nodes of right-wing thought and ideology and what is acceptable inside of our space.

Speaker 6 And as you just demonstrated with your tour, there are so many different ideas and ideologies that are roundly considered part of the right.

Speaker 6 And Thanksgiving is just a couple hours away, right? So

Speaker 6 I liken it to a Thanksgiving table with

Speaker 6 your aunts, right? Who have drained an entire box of wine, you know, making, making dinner.

Speaker 1 And they've argued over.

Speaker 6 Yes, they've argued. That's exactly right.

Speaker 6 That's right. A whole jug of phrancia is like, is an empty jug of phrancias rolling around and the boxes of wine are empty of Chardonnay.
And you're like, we're cooked. We're cooked.
And

Speaker 6 the aunts at your Thanksgiving dinner are going to scream and they're going to throw things and they're going to argue and it might spill out onto the front yard. But in the end, you're all family.

Speaker 6 And in fact, you're treating yourself like that because you're family. We wouldn't treat a stranger like that.
You know, some things you can only say to your family.

Speaker 6 And in fact, you're, you're a friend and a brother when you do give hard truths to your friends.

Speaker 6 Like those are the, those are the kind of, you know, those are the, those are the people who really are your friends, right?

Speaker 6 Not the people who abandon you or don't give you good advice or let you keep wasting your life or making mistakes or harming yourself. It's actually your friends who give you the tough truths.

Speaker 6 And so I don't mind this whole MAGA infighting thing. I don't mind it at all.
I view it as a healthy family

Speaker 6 crucible, Thanksgiving dinner table that's messy and entertaining and exciting.

Speaker 6 And it's because we have so much ideological adherence to free thought and free association, which is our First Amendment, damn it. And that's what we all agreed on, right?

Speaker 6 We all agreed that we have free association and that above all else, we have the capacity to disagree with each other without hating each other, because that's evil, and without killing each other, which is what the left has now resorted to.

Speaker 6 So if you want to see what like the opposite of my opinion is, it's not people who I disagree with who have ugly ideas or naughty thoughts

Speaker 6 or, you know, or opinions that I don't like, because that's actually the point of this country.

Speaker 6 opposite of my ideology is somebody picks up a gun and kills someone to end the argument. And that's actually what we're fighting against.

Speaker 6 And Megan, I'd like to just realign our party into recognizing that this is good, that we can all debate and disagree with each other. The best ideas will rise to the top.

Speaker 6 I'm sure you were surprised at various applause lines that were spoken at your tour, various booze, you know, that people got.

Speaker 6 It's a wildly dynamic party. What didn't happen at your tour is nobody got killed, right? Like for disagreeing.
And that's America.

Speaker 6 What the left wants is the people who they disagree with to actually get harmed and killed Anna Navarro on the view, bragging, in fact, that Charlie got killed for his opinions and that good, the good, in fact,

Speaker 6 what an evil witch and monster.

Speaker 6 What a monstrous ideology. But they're going out and they're saying it, right? They're celebrating this result because that's what they believe.
And that's what they want.

Speaker 6 So it's good for us to paint a picture of the differences.

Speaker 6 And this is the Thanksgiving that you want to go to. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I love that. And honestly,

Speaker 1 I'll double down on it because I've been having a Twitter war with Mark Levin.

Speaker 1 And before that, with this guy, Abe Greenwald of the Commentary magazine, and many others who have just decided I'm against them because I won't disavow Tucker.

Speaker 1 I would take Mark Levin or Abe Greenwald or any of these people who are just very, very pro-Israel are mad at me over the Tucker thing any day of the week over this crew.

Speaker 1 I'm going to show you a soundbite. It's going to disturb you.
You haven't seen it because it just hit. It's fucking awful.
It's Joy Reed and those two hateful hens. I don't know what their names are.

Speaker 1 One, I think, is named Jennifer.

Speaker 1 She's all over the internet, only saying hateful things about Republicans, but this one is particularly vicious about Erica Kirk. Watch this.

Speaker 1 Motivates them. So they can't have the successor to MAGA be the guy with the brown Hindu wife.
They're also Christian nationalists. That ain't going to work.

Speaker 1 That's why he's throwing his wife under the bus or Usha. Or she's in on it, right? And she's playing slap and tickle with Erica Kirk.
It's the weirdest shit I've ever seen.

Speaker 1 Yeah, she's like in her Tammy Faye era. Okay.
Holding on the back of his head and rubbing on his head. Some weird shit.
Baby.

Speaker 1 Don't do that to Jason. I'm going to start thinking something's going on.
Why are you holding the back of his head? I'm like, you're not doing that right thing. You're supposed to be a widow.

Speaker 1 You in leather pants.

Speaker 1 That's not widow wear.

Speaker 1 Could you imagine if. Wouldn't it be the most perfect fairy tale, MAGA fairy tale? Yeah.
If he finally sees the light, that he needs a white queen instead of this brown Hindu?

Speaker 1 I mean, I'm not saying that's happening. Right.
Or maybe that Usha's not even in on it. Maybe she's whatever, but that's one entrant.
Another entrant is frankly Donald Trump Jr.

Speaker 1 If he can, you know, you know, keep it together.

Speaker 1 this is so sick. She's speculating who Erica is going to be with.
She's going to break up JD's marriage. She's going to wind up with Don Jr.

Speaker 1 She's not wearing the appropriate clothes in Joy Reed's view for a widow and the nerve to get it to get out there. That other woman, she's in her Tammy Faye era.

Speaker 1 Fuck you, you absolute disgusting evil Cretan. She is in mourning.
You've seen her only at very public appearances, like when she accepted the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

Speaker 1 Last night she did as a favor to me because I've been out there for Charlie and she knew Charlie and I were friends.

Speaker 1 And yeah, when she goes on camera, terrible, awful, unknown podcast lady, she puts on makeup. Because the clique lights are on her, because the cameras are on her.
And if she didn't,

Speaker 1 you'd be judging that too. So yeah, she's beautiful and she's used to looking nice on camera.
And that's to her credit that she's able to pull it together.

Speaker 1 She cried the entire night, Benny Johnson, but through our interview the other night, she was holding it together, but she was non-stop tears.

Speaker 1 But she looked beautiful, and these eight hateful witches hold it against her and want to speculate about how it's an ultimate MAGA fantasy for JD to break up with the brown one and wind up with Erica Kirk.

Speaker 1 What kind of hate?

Speaker 1 Give me the divided, angry right any day of the week.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 6 And there's a difference.

Speaker 6 The difference actually is in the data. I mean, what you saw there, you're exactly right to call it hateful, evil.

Speaker 6 It's demonic to laugh at and speculate on a widow who just had her children orphaned and her husband killed on a live stream.

Speaker 6 And the world saw it murdered and some of the most the most heinous act of political violence in our generation.

Speaker 6 I mean, tantamount effectively to our own JFK assassination. And this is what happened.
And so now they're harassing and making fun of

Speaker 6 our era's, you know, Jackie Kennedy, Jaclyn Kennedy.

Speaker 6 And what does it say about you when you can do something like that?

Speaker 6 How could you possibly

Speaker 6 resort to doing that? First off, being a parent, you're a parent. I'm a parent of young children.

Speaker 6 Being a parent of young children is the most excruciating and most difficult and toughest job on earth. And then to celebrate the widowing of that woman and the orphaning of those children,

Speaker 6 you're evil. You know, you're a demon, in fact.
That's just demonic activity. And I can say that as a Christian, not as a pejorative, but as something that is doctrinal.

Speaker 6 from a Christian perspective, because you can see actually the fruits of Satan in people. You can know them by their actions.
In fact, you can judge people by their fruits.

Speaker 6 Now, let me explain, Megan, why I know that the right won't do this. Because as we talked about earlier in this show, Joe Biden has terminal cancer.
Now, I have an audience.

Speaker 6 We have 20 million subscribers across multiple platforms. We track very closely sentiment of our audience on certain topics.

Speaker 6 I didn't find a single member of my audience celebrating Joe Biden's imminent death. No one.
I, as a matter of fact, prayed for him live on the show. I prayed for him.

Speaker 6 Now, I think Joe Biden's the worst president in American history.

Speaker 6 I think I've spent as much effort as I possibly can to make sure that he doesn't become president again or that we hampered as much of his time as president as possible. I don't like Joe Biden.

Speaker 6 I don't want Joe Biden anywhere near power. I didn't once laugh, giggle, or snort at Joe Biden becoming a widow or his children losing their father.

Speaker 6 Because I can separate the human element of this, the spiritual element of this,

Speaker 6 my soul, right, as a person, I want that to be reflective of Christ. That's my religion.
I can separate that from the politics. The left can't do that.

Speaker 6 Why, Megan, and it's very important to understand why. The left can't do that because they don't believe in God.
According to Gallup, 93% of Republicans believe in God or a God.

Speaker 6 Less than 60% of Democrats believe in God. So you can just kind of round number that to about half of Democrats don't believe in God.

Speaker 6 If you don't believe in God, then you don't believe that we were created in God's image.

Speaker 6 This is the first book of Genesis. This is like the doctrinal creation story shared across religions

Speaker 6 that we are created by God and we have a purpose and we have value higher than the animals, that we're created different and that all human life is precious no matter who you are, where you come from, what your skin color is, and that it is a moral evil to take that life or to celebrate the taking of that life.

Speaker 6 And that, Megan, is the ballgame. That actually explains these differences.

Speaker 6 If you don't believe in God, if you have that hatred in your heart, if you don't believe that human life is precious and all life is effectively just a power struggle, then you're just simply going to want power.

Speaker 6 And if it takes death to get there, then you're just like all the other Marxists who've killed 100 million people this last century: Pol Pot, Mao Cedong, and Joseph Stalin.

Speaker 6 You're the same as all of them. And here's the final thing I'll say on this, Megan.

Speaker 6 They want us to hate them because that means they win.

Speaker 6 When hatred inspires more hatred through name-calling or sneering or laughing at orphaned children, when they can pull you down to their level, when Satan can tell you to eat the apple and you take a bite, and you then begin to reflect the same hatred they have, they win.

Speaker 6 That's why they call you an anti-Semite. That's why they call you a racist.
That's why they call you Hitler. Is it because I'm Hitler? No,

Speaker 6 it's because they want want me to hate them. They make absurdities.
They make these straw man arguments. And they come at you.
Okay, come at your family.

Speaker 6 They come at your children to bring you down to their level. And if they can do that, they win.

Speaker 6 That is why critically in this Christmas season, Megan, we have to remember as Christians and we have to remember as the moral movement that we are, the 93% of our party that believes in God and believes in the foundations of this country.

Speaker 6 We have to not let them win by welcoming that hatred into our hearts. And they're working overtime to get us to hate them.
Yeah, right. We must respond.

Speaker 6 We have to respond with love. We have to respond with love and laughter and charity and joy.

Speaker 6 And there's nothing evil hates, and there's nothing evil hates more than us laughing in their faces, living out our lives with our children, with our loving families, with the things they will never have.

Speaker 6 And that destroys them. They're miserable and we're happy.
That means we've won.

Speaker 1 What you say is very interesting to me because, you know, my audience knows I've been on this faith journey now for quite some time, but went into overtime after Charlie's death.

Speaker 1 And I've been watching a lot of debates involving and also reading books by William Lane Craig,

Speaker 1 who is this extremely smart man who's on our side, who runs around doing atheist debates, you know, with Christopher Hitchens and other doubters,

Speaker 1 who's got like a very son. He's brilliant.
He's very well educated and he's studied this and written about this for his entire life, trying to find like the

Speaker 1 historical evidence of Christ and engaging in like full-throated debates about like cosmopology, not cosmetology, that's makeup,

Speaker 1 and how it really does support the Christian beliefs, not the atheist beliefs. And one of the things he, one of the points he often makes is that if there's no God,

Speaker 1 then there's just, there's no morality. There's no morality.
There's no hardcore foundation for good and evil, for judging actions. And what you were just saying dovetails perfectly into that.

Speaker 1 Like his predictions are about a society where there is no God. You're talking about a faction, a political group that has no God.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 it's leading to the same result. One would be worldwide in his, you know, worst case scenario.
And yours is a party-wide situation for

Speaker 1 a disturbing number of people who are on the left.

Speaker 1 Not all, some are faithful, but it is a disturbing number who have no God in their life and have lost all tether to good and evil, to like a fundamental

Speaker 1 level of decency and honor, kindness.

Speaker 1 I don't, like, I do not get the absolute ripping apart of a new widow whose main goal every day is to make sure her children are okay because their father was shot to death two months ago.

Speaker 1 This isn't five years ago, or maybe it would make its way into a joke here or there on a late night show. I don't, whatever.
It's just part of the national healing process. This is two months.

Speaker 1 It's raw. Everyone's still in mourning, especially the Kirk family.
And she was in the center of their target as their bullseye as they laughed at her.

Speaker 6 That one podcaster there in the clip you played, her name's Jennifer Horn. Nobody is quite sure where the hell she came from.

Speaker 6 I don't really know who she is, but I know that she went viral in the weeks after Charlie's assassination by saying that that was a warning and that if Democrats don't get on board with fighting MAGA, that that's going to happen to you.

Speaker 6 And they're just out and out saying it, right? So the top law enforcement official in Virginia now is somebody who wants to kill Republican babies, like kill their children, right?

Speaker 6 Because they're a little fascists.

Speaker 6 They're just being the mask is off, right? So the mask is off. They're telling us who they are.

Speaker 6 We have to believe them.

Speaker 6 And more importantly, Megan, we have to be able to counter this. We have to accept what this is

Speaker 6 and to be able to present the counter argument so that this doesn't continue to warp and shape the way that politics is done in America with assassination culture. You know,

Speaker 6 it's totally and completely evil. It's something that's really wrong.

Speaker 1 That's a crazy term you just used.

Speaker 1 You're not wrong. Assassination culture.
That's like, it's a thing now after Luigi, after Charles.

Speaker 6 Yeah, just one final thought. The Constitution, so it's like the civil rights era, right, is like the favorite thing for these people.
Okay, that was like the crowning achievement.

Speaker 6 How do you get that without, I mean, they point back to our founding documents, right, about America's, you know, that's what the founders would want, but they never look at the words.

Speaker 6 All men are what, Megan? All men are

Speaker 6 created equal, endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights. If you take God out of the founding documents, then you have no no America.
You have no reason to free the slaves.

Speaker 6 You have no reason for the civil rights era or for women's suffrage or for any of it, in fact.

Speaker 6 If you remove God from the equation, as the left does and is constantly on the march to do, then their ideology becomes pure fascism.

Speaker 1 There is no America founding without that.

Speaker 6 Yes, that's right. So that is the fact.
So foundationally, yes, all men created equal, endowed by their creator. If you remove that, then you're just left with totalitarianism.

Speaker 1 I just want to show you, I asked Erica Kirk for what it's worth about that moment where she hugged JD.

Speaker 1 I mean, she hugged me just as warmly and closely.

Speaker 1 She's a hugger. And then she's a total hugger, which we love.
I mean, honestly, I loved it. I felt like I was next to God.

Speaker 1 That's how it feels when you're around her. Like you're just with somebody who's got a more evolved spiritual presence and connection with the Almighty.
Something to aspire to.

Speaker 1 Anyway, here she is talking about the JD hug, and then on the back end, we'll play the one where the follow-up.

Speaker 1 We just watch.

Speaker 1 Forgive me, did you see people didn't understand the hug that you and JD had?

Speaker 1 They went to the weirdest places, Erica. Oh my gosh.
You guys.

Speaker 1 Please.

Speaker 10 So for those of you who know me, I never, I'm a very,

Speaker 3 I love, I hug.

Speaker 1 You're an intense hugger.

Speaker 10 Whoever is like hating on a hug needs a a hug themselves. I will give you a free hug anytime you want a hug.
My love language is touch, if you will. But seriously, that hug.

Speaker 10 So I will give you a play-by-play.

Speaker 10 I'm walking, they just played the emotional video. I'm walking over.
He's walking over. I'm starting to cry.
He says, he's so proud of you. And I say, God bless you.
And I touch the back of his head.

Speaker 10 Anyone who I've hugged, that I have touched the back of your head when I hug you, I always say God bless you.

Speaker 10 That's just me. If you want to take that out of context, go right ahead.
Again, that to me shows that you need a hug more than anyone else.

Speaker 1 So if anyone... They were acting like you touched the back of his ass.

Speaker 10 I feel like I wouldn't get as much hate if I did that versus...

Speaker 1 Watching people turn on you

Speaker 1 has been one of the most unexpected, strange, terrible things that I've done. You know what, Diane?

Speaker 13 And I know you get this because you have a very, you have a thick skin and a soft heart.

Speaker 13 The thing is, is that the more that people, and it gets outlandish more and more crazy as time goes on because there's just a void that apparently needs to be filled, but

Speaker 13 I'm okay with the world not understanding me.

Speaker 13 I'm okay with that.

Speaker 10 I'm okay with

Speaker 13 they,

Speaker 13 you know,

Speaker 1 I don't want to look like the world.

Speaker 13 As Christians, we're called to be in the world, not of it. And if they could understand me, then I'm not doing something right.

Speaker 1 She's so evolved, Benny. That's exactly the right answer.

Speaker 6 Yes, she is.

Speaker 1 You just said it. You're evolved, too.
I'm the only one who's still here in the sewer plant thinking about what I can do to Jennifer. Well, okay.

Speaker 6 Well, hold on. Yeah, I mean, President Trump famously goes on after Erica Kirk forgives her husband's assassin and goes, I hate my enemies.
I don't love my enemies.

Speaker 6 I hate them, you know, and everyone laughs, right? I hate them. And everyone can experience that.
And actually, doctrinally, from a Christian perspective,

Speaker 6 that's totally aligned. And I know that a lot of people don't study this and I'm no theologian at all, right? I'm just a guy who's a simple Christian.
I just read my Bible and I try to understand it.

Speaker 6 I call my pastor and he tries to knock some sense into me.

Speaker 6 But listen, first off, that is aligned. And it's very important to understand this, to separate the two.
So

Speaker 6 a for your own soul you're supposed to forgive people and you're you're supposed to love them and practice the beatitudes the exact inverse of what the world tells you to do

Speaker 6 and that is christianity that's christendom that's us living it out but there's a verse in romans romans 13 that says that the governments and the law of the nations is established by god and he gives them the sword to wield not for the good men but for the terror of evil men that's and it is good to it is, that's the, that's a New Testament.

Speaker 6 That's not Old Testament. That's New Testament.

Speaker 6 And it is calling for us as a moral and good people to make sure that our government has the sword to punish evil, to make sure that they live, not, not just live in fear.

Speaker 6 That they live in terror, actually, that evil people should be terror, should be, should live in terror from a government of good men.

Speaker 6 And so you have to ask the question, and this is the final question, you know, as I get older, you know, I'm pushing 40. As I get older, I'm realizing this.

Speaker 6 As As I raise my own kids, as I see the world around me, I'm realizing something, Megan, that the, it can all can be boiled down to one question, critical for our ruling class, which is, is there a God?

Speaker 6 And do you think you're God?

Speaker 6 You know, are you God? Or is there actually a higher power above what we're all doing? And those who believe in that higher power totally structure their lives differently. Entirely.

Speaker 6 The tax don't work, the ad hominems don't work, the pejoratives don't work, The deplatforming or the jailing, it doesn't work.

Speaker 6 You're totally aligned. And that's why you can still see joyful audiences in spite of good and bad things happening to our movement all the time.
On the left.

Speaker 1 And also, here's another thing. They also understand as Christians that persecution is part of it.

Speaker 6 Of course. Yes.
In fact, you know, it's something that is a mark of honor. It's a badge of honor.
When you are persecuted,

Speaker 6 the Christian church is a church and not completely smoked because of a martyrdom. A man named Stephen, who was the first martyr.
And that's what actually inspired Christianity. That him dying,

Speaker 6 Stephen getting killed for his belief, let people know, wait a second, this isn't just an old story. This is something people believe in because people don't die for a lie.
Charlie Kirk died,

Speaker 6 not for a lie, for the truth. Charlie Kirk died doing what he loved, which was telling the truth on campus.
And he died for truth. And that's why we've seen this incredible moment.

Speaker 6 I still don't know exactly how to diagnose it and I never will.

Speaker 6 You were live on stage in front of a massive arena with Erica Kirk. What was that exactly? What was the spiritual energy there? I don't know, but that's the power of martyrdom.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It's overwhelming.
That is another one of the points as I go through all these books, so many books. I was talking to Frank Turek about it backstage after Erica,

Speaker 1 that in favor of

Speaker 1 believing, believing in the resurrection, believing that Jesus was Christ, which is no man will die for a lie. And the disciples who were put to death after Jesus was crucified and came back,

Speaker 1 and they told everyone about it. They said what they witnessed, that they saw him.
They saw him. It wasn't just like he was missing from the grave.
They actually saw him and they were killed for it.

Speaker 1 And no man would willingly go to his death. Like these were Jews who were going to be killed for saying this blasphemy that Jesus was Christ and that he'd come back.

Speaker 1 And they went to their deaths willingly following his example.

Speaker 1 So anyway, I know everybody already knows this, but I am on my own little faith discovery at a ripe old age in life, Benny, and it's been very helpful to me. Very helpful.
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Speaker 15 I said something that was pretty simple and non-controversial, and that was that members of the military should follow the law. And in response to that, Donald Trump said, I should be executed.

Speaker 15 I should be hanged. I should be prosecuted.
I think it says a lot more about him than it says about me. He doesn't want accountability.

Speaker 1 I'm not sure it was quite that non-controversial. Welcome back to the Megan Kelly Show.
My guest today, Benny Johnson.

Speaker 1 That was Senator Mark Kelly, husband of Gabby Giffords, former astronaut and member of the military.

Speaker 1 And he is suggesting that he did absolutely nothing wrong in the so-called seditious six video, in which they made very clear their opinion, advising U.S.

Speaker 1 troops that if they receive an illegal order from Donald Trump, they should ignore it. It came out of nowhere.
No one knew exactly what they were talking about.

Speaker 1 They haven't been very good at identifying exactly what they meant.

Speaker 1 But now there's an investigation that's been opened by the Pentagon into

Speaker 1 Mark Kelly because he was in the military and the others were CIA or Intel services. And so he's still within their jurisdiction.

Speaker 1 And they're considering a court-martial because he's inserting himself in the chain of command between the commander-in-chief and his troops. What do you make of it?

Speaker 6 I have four little children at home:

Speaker 6 five, three, two, and eight months old. And so my home has a tendency for disorder, Megan.

Speaker 6 Now, my wife and I

Speaker 6 have disagreements, clearly. You know, you always have that in any healthy relationship.
And we sort those out as best we can.

Speaker 6 But there's one thing that we have total and complete agreement on, which is when an order goes down from one of us, we are the commanders in chief of our household. Those children must follow orders.

Speaker 6 Otherwise, the house will immediately and

Speaker 6 inextricably entropy. Everything will fall apart.
If my wife is undermining me or I'm undermining my wife, if she says no dessert or you've had enough candy and I'm sneaking them candy,

Speaker 6 If she says, pick up your toys and I'm helping them make a mess, then things are going to spiral out of control and it's going to happen quickly and everyone can understand that parents get that innately i know that you are a parent obviously also of uh kids

Speaker 6 you know i yeah i think they're relatively young yeah there you go okay so you you remember these days they weren't that long ago when things could really fly off the rails and so everyone gets that you know we all understand that But all the more so if my kids had nukes.

Speaker 1 Right?

Speaker 6 Like all the the more so if my kids were in charge of nuclear submarines or Abrams tanks or F-22 Raptors or a bunch of deadly weapons.

Speaker 6 All the more so if like a stray bullet fired from one of my kids could start a world war because we have a base in every damn country on earth.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 6 And we have, we have outward-looking bases in countries that hate us. And so one wrong move.
from my for my children, you know, could could potentially plunge the world into nuclear war.

Speaker 6 That's, of course, terrible. And that is why the military has such swift, such tight controls on standard order and on following orders and processes in order to sift out and to punish illegal orders.

Speaker 6 Those already exist. When you have members of Congress that are using their position in the federal government as partisan Democrats, brandishing their military service and then instructing

Speaker 6 our children to disobey their parents. That's not order.
That's going to lead to a nightmarish scenario. It's going to lead to an insurrection.
It's going to lead to civil war.

Speaker 6 It's going to lead to world war. It's going to lead to

Speaker 1 terrible happening. And our troops without a thought for it.
They only want to look like political grandstanders, like they're tough, like they're taking on Trump. Totally.

Speaker 6 Yes, of course. But they're defying the law.
And I'm really in favor of the court martial of Mark Kelly. I'm in favor of more harsh punishments.

Speaker 6 I want more harsh punishments, please, like from the Trump administration on a slight of issues, whether it's the pipe bomber or whether it's Epstein files, you know, or whether it was the bad actors, James Comey and John Brennan and so on.

Speaker 6 You need to have, much like in a household, you need to have disciplinary action to prevent bad behavior. So I hope that they really do court-martial them.

Speaker 1 Okay, now we have to end on a lighter note. Why won't Jennifer Lopez wear clothing? Explain this to me.
She's 56. I think she's almost 57 now.

Speaker 1 She went to perform at some billionaire's wedding in India. Oh, no.
Let me just show you what she chose to wear. Like, I'm not begrudging her looking good at her age, but I'm in favor of clothing.

Speaker 1 Just a little. It doesn't have to be that much, but generally to cover your vag, like that at 57 seems like an appropriate standard.
Let's watch.

Speaker 1 sent to make love to you, baby.

Speaker 1 So many ways would have touched you tonight.

Speaker 1 I'm a big girl here.

Speaker 1 Take whatever you want,

Speaker 1 and whatever you want, good.

Speaker 1 Put your name on the daily night.

Speaker 1 I try

Speaker 1 to love

Speaker 1 Picture in your mind a thong bathing suit, right? Like a thong bathing suit, except the person put it on backward.

Speaker 1 That's what the front of her looks like. Denny, it's like a borat.

Speaker 6 It's like a borat swimsuit. Yeah, okay.

Speaker 6 Sure.

Speaker 6 Yeah, that's, yeah. I mean, I don't, you know, I don't get it, you know, at your age.
I think that this is like exactly, I think that this is a just a

Speaker 6 first off, I've never felt bad for Ben Affleck, but he's like married and divorced this lady like seven times. All right.
For probably these reasons.

Speaker 6 There's nothing more beautiful than a woman who is aging gracefully because the beauty doesn't have to do with like how much skin you can show.

Speaker 6 And in a world of synthetics and OnlyFans and AI and, you know,

Speaker 6 clap traps all throughout the internet. It's less,

Speaker 6 it's less valuable than ever. So it's actually the reason why the meme on the right for young men is that they want a trad wife,

Speaker 6 not a party whore.

Speaker 6 They want a woman wearing like a dress, like a sunflower dress,

Speaker 1 making a sourdough, right? They want that woman. My 16-year-old said that to me.
My 16-year-old said to me,

Speaker 1 the kids my age do not want these girls wearing next to nothing.

Speaker 1 They like, obviously, some contingent does, but he's like, some modesty actually is considered very attractive, even at the teenage level.

Speaker 6 Yeah, because what does that signal to men? That signals to men that sex is, is, is precious and is a gift that should be obviously

Speaker 6 should be, oh, no.

Speaker 1 It's the backward. Look at it.
It's the backward thong.

Speaker 1 It's ridiculous. And this was honestly one of the more modest outfits she wore there.
Another one was this leather strappy. Look at this.
Look at this.

Speaker 1 For the listening audience, it's just like two horizontal stripes over her backside and then one over the front side. And you can see virtually everything.

Speaker 1 I'm sorry, Benny, why can't we have somebody who's J, like she had her day of being the sex kitten when she was in her 20s and early 30s? It worked, made her a star.

Speaker 1 Why can't she now, as she's getting closer to pushing 60, just, you can still be saucy. She could wear a tight dress.
She could pull a Tina Turner, right?

Speaker 1 Who never lost her sex appeal ever, but didn't look desperate ever either.

Speaker 6 You know, Melania Trump is one of those women who,

Speaker 6 like yesterday, she welcomes the Christmas tree to the White House. She's wearing multiple heavy layers, and she's the most beautiful woman on earth.

Speaker 1 Right. You're seeing plaid, like Christmas plaid manolos on, which were to die for.
And her whole ensemble just screamed, class and classic beauty.

Speaker 6 I don't know what that, I don't know what a Manolo is. Are you talking about her heels, her shoes?

Speaker 1 Yes. Okay.
Yes.

Speaker 6 That's a random guess. It could have been something in her hair.
But whatever, whatever that is, you know, as men, we don't have any idea what the hell it is. We just look at the full package, right?

Speaker 6 As men, we're like very simple binary creatures. And again, in a world of AI synthetics and like, you know, cheap OnlyFan thoughts, you know, this stuff is like less valuable than ever, right?

Speaker 6 Being out there and, you know, bearing, you know, pretty much walking around naked.

Speaker 6 What is what is really rare and always has been actually is true beauty and true beauty that sort of emanates from the inside and that makes you a, makes you a beautiful and light and bright person that you, that you actually want to be around.

Speaker 6 And it's remarkable. That's the reason why Erica Kirk hugs people, actually.
Because she's, she's, people gravitate towards her because of that. It has really little to do with what she's wearing.

Speaker 6 I watched it happen, just a real quick story. I watched that happen with Elon Musk of all people.

Speaker 6 If there's one guy who is a literal Terminator robot, you know, androgynous and literally behaves like a robot, it's Elon Musk.

Speaker 6 And after Charlie Kirk's memorial, I watched Elon wait out back to give, to just say hello to Erica Kirk. And she gave him like a 30-second prolonged hug.

Speaker 6 And it was like watching his little robot heart melt, right?

Speaker 1 It was like just one of the, you know, one of these incredible movies, like a Pixar movie, right? And coming on to people with her hug, then she was coming on to my daughter, to me.

Speaker 1 Like, this is absurd. She's a hugger, she's a very loving, lovely woman.
Only the most hateful trolls would take it someplace else. Benny Johnson, thank you.
We're back tomorrow.

Speaker 1 Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

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