Erika Kirk on Continuing Charlie's Mission, Marriage Advice, and Power of Prayer, Plus Walter Kirn on UFOs and TDS | Ep. 1200

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Speaker 8 Welcome to the Megan Kelly Show, live on SiriusXM Channel 111 every weekday at Noon East.

Speaker 8 Thank you all so much for coming.

Speaker 8 Sit, sit, please get comfortable.

Speaker 8 This is incredible. I love you too.
I sincerely love you.

Speaker 8 You guys, this is such a big night. This is a huge one for us as a team.
I hope for you this this is the last night of the tour and there is no place i would rather be

Speaker 8 yeah i love you so much

Speaker 8 you guys know we announced this tour before charlie

Speaker 8 and he was supposed to be with us in bakersfield california and then he was murdered And immediately we turned to the question of whether we should still go, right?

Speaker 8 I mean, absolutely wound up being the answer.

Speaker 8 But I'm not going to lie, we had some long talks about it at home. You know, my husband, my children, and me.

Speaker 8 Is it safe? Can we keep it safe for you guys, for us, for my team?

Speaker 8 And the more we thought about it, and my husband was not in favor. And as my therapist said, your husband's behaving as your husband should.
You know, Doug was saying the right things.

Speaker 8 And then I had to say the right things for me. And he's been totally supportive as soon as I made my my decision.

Speaker 8 But it became very clear to me, very clear to me, as Charlie's friend, as somebody who's in the same industry as Charlie, and as somebody who has been fighting for the same principles as Charlie for a very long time, there was no not doing this tour.

Speaker 8 Let me tell you something.

Speaker 8 It took guts for every single one of you and everyone who has shown up to all of the tour stops to do it. It's not just a matter of me putting myself on this stage.

Speaker 8 It's a matter of you guys getting out there. You understand the environment we're in.
Hell, just to declare yourself a conservative in this environment is actually an act of courage.

Speaker 8 You know, Charlie, I like to say, be a rebel, be a conservative. That's what's rebellious.
That's what's cool, subversive, right? The liberals control everything. They control big media.

Speaker 8 They control the movies. They control the sports.
They control corporate America. They used to control politics up until about 13 months ago or so.

Speaker 8 Right?

Speaker 8 And the best way to honor Charlie's legacy, truly,

Speaker 8 these are not just words. You see a lot of people posting things online, like, for Charlie, for Charlie.
This one really is for Charlie. We are here to make sure

Speaker 8 his assassin, the people who laughed about it, the people who celebrated it, get the message that they can fuck right off.

Speaker 8 Fuck off.

Speaker 8 You can't stop us.

Speaker 8 There are millions of us. Millions.

Speaker 8 I love you too.

Speaker 8 And I know, I know, God forbid anything were ever happened to me, and I certainly pray, Jesus, it doesn't, you guys would be out there doing this for me. I know you would.

Speaker 8 I apologize to the people of Arizona and the turning point students who have been grieving and have had to deal with the vitriol from these haters who say the terrible things.

Speaker 8 But I am so encouraged that they are a minuscule number when you look at the groundswell of support and revival and faith and unifying nature that's overtaken us all in the wake of Charlie's death.

Speaker 8 I feel much more united with the people who are here and the people who are fighting the same demons we are than I do divided from people who are having a minor spat right now over, yes, it's Israel, but we're going to get past it.

Speaker 8 We are. It's dividing with the Republican right.
We'll get through it. We always fight.
We love fighting on the Republican side. We love fighting in general.

Speaker 8 Usually we direct all our ire at the left, and that feels good. When we're in power, we don't want to do certain start picking on each other.
And we don't feel as good.

Speaker 8 But we're going to get through that because we have the same basic fundamental values, and those values include knowing who your enemy is, and it is literally the people who are firing bullets at us.

Speaker 8 So

Speaker 8 it's a great way to end the tour with the beautiful people. for whom I started it in a way.
And I know that this whole thing has hit you guys in a particular way.

Speaker 8 And that long after the nation moves on, the people who are driving by the Turning Point HQ every day are not.

Speaker 8 You're still seeing the flowers line up and you're seeing the stuffed animals line up.

Speaker 8 And maybe some of you are lucky enough to see Erica Kirk pushing her baby in a stroller or at the area park or grocery store. And she needs all your support.
They all do.

Speaker 8 Turning point needs your support. She needs your support.

Speaker 8 And all those of us in the public eye who are continuing on the fight and Charlie's message needed to. So I seriously love you.
I'm so grateful to you all. Here's what we're going to do.

Speaker 8 We're going to have a little Q ⁇ A. Then we're going to bring out Walter Kern, who, do you love Walter?

Speaker 8 Haven't you totally fallen in love with Walter? Love him.

Speaker 8 And then we will have our guest of honor tonight, Mrs. Erica Kirk.

Speaker 8 All right. I love your shirt, madam.
Yeah, come on in.

Speaker 12 Megan, thank you for letting us come here for Minnesota. Me and my best friend, Chad Peterson, both Army folks.

Speaker 8 God bless. Minnesota.

Speaker 8 Long voice.

Speaker 12 I'm up there where the rocks and cows are, according to our piece of shit, governor. And I'm a retired sergeant major for the United States Army.

Speaker 8 Peace in service. The Army.

Speaker 12 Very blessed to be here. Thank you for that.
Thank you for all blessed Americans. Well worth my service.
Now we found out that billions of dollars have gone to terrorists.

Speaker 12 Will the federal government step in and go after this guy? You being a former prosecutor?

Speaker 8 I don't know if you're a government or you're a private, but. I wasn't a prosecutor, but I aspired to be one.

Speaker 12 Could the state, could the government come in and say, hey, buddy, where's this money at? How do we get it back?

Speaker 8 Potentially. Yeah, potentially.
There could be government action here. I mean,

Speaker 8 already the government has stepped in to eject all of these Somalis who were conducting this scam to take public funds and pad their pockets with and send it off to terrorists.

Speaker 8 So they're going home, which should have happened long ago. And you saw the mayor there is apologizing to the Somali community.
What What do you mean? What just defrauded us?

Speaker 8 Like, they've lost their ever-loving minds in Minnesota. You got to get out.
Get out of there. Honestly, Tim Wallace is too crazy.
Minnesota's lots is ever-loving mind.

Speaker 8 Anyway, I hope something can be done more than that, but I mean, I would settle for shipping them out. Goodbye.
Enjoy Somalia. Take Elon Omar with you.

Speaker 8 How are you doing, my friend? How are you, my friend?

Speaker 13 First and foremost, I love you, Megan Kelly. I'm I'm a gay conservative.

Speaker 8 All right. A gay.

Speaker 8 Conservative.

Speaker 13 Where do you direct me to lead my voice to bring change? What advice do you give a gay conservative to move forward?

Speaker 8 First of all, the divorce from the TQs needs to happen immediately. Yeah.
Already done it. Okay, good.
So we got to speak up about that.

Speaker 8 I mean, a strongly worded 10,000 letters to GLAAD and all the other organizations that have totally abandoned LGB for the much weirder TQ would be in order.

Speaker 8 But I think your call to duty is the same as mine as a straight American, which is get out there and fight. Gay, straight, don't, we don't care.
Like,

Speaker 8 on the right side of the aisle, we don't care about your sexuality, right? It's the left that makes it all about that. We don't care who you sleep with.

Speaker 8 Just get out there, and especially in Arizona, you guys are so important. You live in a swing state.
You actually can shift the election.

Speaker 8 And if we're going to have JD be 48, as we all want, we're going to need every single one of you.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 8 Thank you. Hi, Megan.
Hi.

Speaker 14 I am your number one fan. I'm another gay conservative.
I'm here with my beautiful wife.

Speaker 8 Nice.

Speaker 8 The question I have for you: I've been dying to wonder what your answer was on what you thought of Trump's meeting with Mundami. Oh,

Speaker 8 I didn't like it.

Speaker 8 Did you guys like it? No, I didn't like it.

Speaker 8 I felt the same way as I felt when those morons over at Morning Joe went to Mar-a-Lago and kissed the ring Like that was kind of satisfactory because they were like they had to bend down and genuflect and they did it but

Speaker 8 I Don't Zora Mamdani is a radical.

Speaker 8 I mean, he's a communist He was embracing the radical imam who testified for the blind sheikh who tried to bring down the World Trade Center like he was you know this non-controversial nun

Speaker 8 and we elected him somehow as our mayor of New York, and he was saying the nastiest things about Trump. I mean the net and then he shows up there like,

Speaker 8 right? Like, what's happening? I get Trump, because he does that to everybody. Like, he's gracious, notwithstanding what you read about him in the paper.

Speaker 8 So, I get why he did it, but I'm comforted by the fact that they will be fighting again in about two minutes. Yeah.
And all will be right with the world. Thank you.
Thank you.

Speaker 13 Hello, Megan.

Speaker 8 I'm here from all the way from Canada, and I wanted to be here for such a historical moment after what happened to Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 13 And the question I wanted to ask is what can I do to make Canada better?

Speaker 8 Oh sweetheart

Speaker 8 That's gonna be a tough one.

Speaker 8 Oh my goodness, well

Speaker 8 I I Got nothing

Speaker 8 do we have turning point chapters in Canada

Speaker 8 We can get one.

Speaker 8 I have some connections with turning point. I might be able to help you get this going.
Bit by bit. That's all I can say.
Brick by brick. Get another and another and another.

Speaker 8 I mean, listen, it's no worse than the upper west side of Manhattan was for me, right? We are just as far left on the upper west side of Manhattan as Canada. And what did we do?

Speaker 8 Parents who are more conservative-leaning started to meet, like kind of underground, to talk about our conservative deals and ideals and how everybody was crazy.

Speaker 8 And we kind of started to organize and started to make a difference in these woke schools. And you guys can start that too.
There really is power in numbers. So don't be afraid to speak out.

Speaker 8 And especially if you can get some other young people on your side, they're going to have to listen to you. They're going to have to.

Speaker 13 Good luck.

Speaker 8 Good luck. God bless.

Speaker 8 Hi, Megan. Hi.
Love you. Love you.

Speaker 8 Wanted to know what you thought of Margie Taylor Greene resigning from Congress. Oh, that's another one I'm so conflicted over.

Speaker 8 I wish she'd stayed. I wish she'd stayed the way she was before and also in Congress.
You know, I'm not sure what I think she might be going through something.

Speaker 8 I know somebody was posting today that she's playing the long game.

Speaker 8 She's separating from Trump where she can maintain her integrity and like not have bent the knee to him and then resurface as like a MAGA leader when Trump exits stage left.

Speaker 8 That's not generally how it goes when you cross Trump.

Speaker 8 I think they could have made up. He's already saying nice things about her on X.
You know, like you got. Trust me when I tell you, if you just wait him out, you can come to a good place with him.

Speaker 8 I wish he had done it.

Speaker 8 Hi.

Speaker 15 Hi, Megan. My name is Ocean Rosso, and I'm a Turning Point USA chapter president.

Speaker 8 Nice, Ocean. Thank you.

Speaker 15 My question is, I see a lot of apathy in my generation toward freedom and in America in general.

Speaker 15 How do you think we can combat the rise of democratic socialism threatening to end our way of life in America?

Speaker 8 Very good question, Ocean. Thank you for what you do.
I mean, I think the best thing that could possibly happen to bring that message home just happened in New York City.

Speaker 8 You know, they're going to see, and they will see, because Zoram Mamdani will be the Republican poster boy, what those policies do to a city or a state or a town or a country potentially if we get AOC as our next potential president.

Speaker 8 Don't laugh. That's who the Democrats are actually putting their hopes on.

Speaker 8 She's slightly scary.

Speaker 8 She's a slightly scary person because she's very good at social media and she has a way of communicating that's very effective, but she's a lunatic. So it's quite scary.

Speaker 8 But I do think that's in some ways. I didn't want him and I much would have preferred anyone other than him.

Speaker 8 I mean, when I uttered the words, I guess you're going to have to vote for Andrew Cuomo, I really, I threw up a little in my mouth. But he's not a communist.
I'm like, that's his tagline.

Speaker 8 I'm not a commie, not a pinko commie. Okay.

Speaker 8 So let's just see what happens in New York City because I know the people who are on the comms shop in Washington for the Republicans and they are salivating over this guy's policymaking.

Speaker 8 So fingers crossed, that that'll do it. Thank you.

Speaker 8 Hi, Megan. Hi.

Speaker 8 I'm leaving for the Army in March. Oh, God bless.
Good for you. Thanks for doing that.

Speaker 8 And I just wanted to know your opinion on transgenders in the military, and also your opinion on the Democrats stating that we no longer need to listen to the president on illegal things.

Speaker 8 Yeah. And just your opinion on that.
I'm against transgenders in the military.

Speaker 8 There's no such thing as a transgender, by the way. It's not a thing.
It's men pretending to be women or women pretending to be men, but there's not a trans anything. It's not a thing.

Speaker 8 I'm against it because, look, the truth is that the vast majority of trans, like male to female, are autogonophiles who are working out a sexual fetish.

Speaker 8 Why should you have to sit next to that? What's just because you joined the army? I don't want to sit next to anybody working out a sexual fetish. You know, like, that's sick.

Speaker 8 I don't want to be a part of it. Take it in your bedroom, take it wherever you want, but don't take it in a public space or the army.

Speaker 8 And it's just too difficult to ferret out which ones have genuine gender dysphoria and which ones are working out their sex kink on you. So it's a no.

Speaker 8 There are many other things they can do, right? That's my answer. As for my answer on the disobey the orders, it's disgraceful.
It actually is going to get people killed.

Speaker 8 You cannot tell American soldiers that they don't have to obey the commander-in-chief and leave it up to them to figure out which orders are the good ones and which orders are the bad.

Speaker 8 Those senators and lawmakers are actually literally endangering our troops and shame on them.

Speaker 11 Hi, Megan. Hi.

Speaker 13 My question to you is, is there a difference between America first

Speaker 11 and being an isolationist?

Speaker 8 Interesting.

Speaker 8 I guess so.

Speaker 8 I think so. I mean, I think Trump would say he's America first, but he's not an isolationist.
You know, Trump, he's pretty quick to drop the bomb if he thinks he needs to.

Speaker 8 Look at 1.0, right? Like Soleimani, and then 2.0, the whole Iran nuclear program thing. That's not really isolationist exactly, but it is America first, right?

Speaker 8 He did not believe that Iran should have the bomb. He believed

Speaker 8 it wasn't good for America. It wasn't good for Israel, which is an ally.
So he did it. So I think...
That's why Trump did it.

Speaker 8 But if you look at the more truly isolationist wing of the party, you know,

Speaker 8 maybe JD is a little bit more isolationist. Tucker certainly is more isolationist.
Young people are much more isolationist. They've, you know, they've had it with the forever wars.

Speaker 8 So I do think there's a little difference there. Anyway, thank you for that.
That was an interesting question.

Speaker 16 Hi. Hi, Megan with a Y.
I'm Sarah with an H from Cincinnati.

Speaker 8 How you doing?

Speaker 16 So I work in the financial services industry, and I would love to get more involved politically. However, the current regulations prevent me from being able to contribute any sort of monetary

Speaker 16 contribution to any political affiliation. What advice would you give to someone who's kind of shackled by government regulations and not being able to get involved?

Speaker 8 Well, the money is the least of what you can do, right? I mean, you're limited in how much you can give anyway, but I think far more effective, especially. Are you from Arizona?

Speaker 8 Where are you from?

Speaker 16 Cincinnati.

Speaker 16 Oh.

Speaker 8 Well, Ohio is still kind of swingy. Not exactly, but you also appear willing to travel to Arizona for important events.

Speaker 8 So I would urge you to potentially get down here with a bus and get people to the polls on election day. Like, that's way more impactful than actually donating your $3,500.

Speaker 8 Consider doing that because actually canvassing or getting out there, distributing literature or just speaking out, if you are able to post online, if you're able to go door to door, if you're able to just get your voice out there and start convincing people, not shouting at them, that's fun too.

Speaker 8 But I mean, the main thing is to convince them, you know, show them actual stories on like the trans issue or what have you or the affirmative action or you know healthcare.

Speaker 8 That would be very helpful. That's a way you can do it.
Okay, quickly.

Speaker 8 Okay, no, I guess. Sorry.

Speaker 16 Outside business activities are also something that has to be approved by our employers in order for us to be able to participate. Maybe this is a question for later.

Speaker 8 This is an outside business activity. What do you mean? This is not business.
They can't stop you from politicking. I hope not.
No, that's an infringement on your rights.

Speaker 8 I think I would challenge that policy. One thing at the office is quite another when you're on your own time.

Speaker 8 That does not sound like an appropriate or a sustainable policy.

Speaker 8 Thank you. Thank you.

Speaker 8 Hi, Megan.

Speaker 17 I'm Kirsten, all the way from Michigan.

Speaker 17 My question is, Muslim populations in places like Dearborn, Michigan, pursuing a deliberate strategy of outbreeding native Westerners, aiming to demographically overwhelm and eventually supplant our Judeo-Christian civilization through birth rates and sustained immigration.

Speaker 17 Essentially, my question is:

Speaker 17 what can we do in terms of immigration and prioritize those who will embrace our traditions and better America?

Speaker 8 Very good question.

Speaker 8 Very good question. Very timely.
Thank you. And I'm sorry for what's happening to Michigan.
I can't believe my eyes. Minnesota, too, Minneapolis, but Dearborn, Michigan is like lost.

Speaker 8 First of of all, the non-Muslims need to have a lot more babies.

Speaker 8 That's just true. We do.
I mean,

Speaker 8 when the guard is down and the more radicalized Muslims tell you what their plan is, it involves having six to ten children so that a generation from now, they're in the majority.

Speaker 8 And they start it by city to city and take over states. And then before you know it, they're a majority in the country.
And we don't want that. And there's no reason we need to want that.

Speaker 8 We don't have to be shy about saying we don't want that.

Speaker 8 That Islam is not consistent with fundamental Western values, period. Learn it, love it, say it, embrace it.
It's not that we don't love our Muslim neighbors. I've got Muslim friends.

Speaker 8 No judgment on them and the way they choose to practice their religion, but their religion happens to be a political doctrine as well. It's very entangled.

Speaker 8 And they just don't stand for the same things that we do in the West, like free speech, like separation of church and state, like women's rights. So we have to say no.

Speaker 8 We have to stop electing these people to positions of power. And we have to stop the immigration pipeline from countries that don't share our values.

Speaker 8 And we have to do what Trump did, which is eject the ones who are here taking advantage of the rest of us, especially when they're funneling money back to other Muslim terrorists.

Speaker 8 So that's my two cents.

Speaker 8 Hi, Megan. Hi.

Speaker 18 I just drove in from Texas. I had to be amongst my people because

Speaker 8 it feels so good, doesn't it?

Speaker 18 One of the main reasons I needed to come to see you is because I've been diagnosed with a really terrible disease called masculine.

Speaker 8 Toxic masculinity? Oh, I'm so sorry. So sorry.

Speaker 18 My question is on legacy media. You've said over the past months that it's going, that's dying.

Speaker 18 Do you see it coming back because of the, you know, how our podcast network is, but, you know, you thank God they're there, but do you see them coming back?

Speaker 8 I don't.

Speaker 8 No, I think the MSM is over, dead and dying.

Speaker 8 I do have something that will

Speaker 8 cure you of your toxic masculinity. She goes by the name of Katie Porter.

Speaker 8 I I think if you watch a bunch of videos, she's going to change you. You're going to have some sort of a sea change.
But no, I don't think the MSM is coming back. Do you? It's funny, actually.

Speaker 8 I'm enjoying watching them try now that they realized we have all the market power and that we actually spend money and have money. And now they're trying to get us by being like more moderate.

Speaker 8 You know, CBS is trying because the berry's there. And she's trying to make it more moderate.
Okay, CNN's trying a little. They're like, okay, it's too late.

Speaker 8 They already showed us that they hate our guts. Why would we take in any news from them, right? Who the hell wants to watch,

Speaker 8 sorry, but Jake Tapper or any of these people who have betrayed us and has

Speaker 8 fed us a bunch of bullshit, and we know they loathe us and our children. It's a no.
So, no, I have no hopes for them whatsoever.

Speaker 8 All right, we'll take one more. We're taking one more.
Sorry, you guys waiting in line, but we want to get our show on time.

Speaker 8 Hi, my name is Tiffany.

Speaker 11 Hi.

Speaker 19 My question is, there's so much chatter around Epstein now and whether Trump was involved involved or he wasn't and it's on the heels of the P. Duddy trial.

Speaker 19 And I don't think most people really care about whether Trump was involved. We care about the butterfly effect.
Who are all the other names who we don't know about? Do you think they'll ever come out?

Speaker 8 It's a very good question.

Speaker 8 I don't know. Yeah,

Speaker 8 I do think that power tends to protect power. I think we've heard some names.
You know, like, wouldn't you like to know more about Les Wexner,

Speaker 8 the Victoria's Secret guy, the Bed Bath and Beyond, right? Wasn't it Bed Bath Beyond? One of those companies, but definitely Victoria's Secret. Why? Bath and Body, thank you.
It was different.

Speaker 8 I'd like to know more about him. I was surprised at the Larry Summers reveals, right? This guy's teaching at Harvard.

Speaker 8 He was like buddy-buddy with Epstein all the way up to the day Epstein was arrested. I mean, like, it's bad enough when you're fraternizing with him after he pleaded guilty to molesting a minor.

Speaker 8 This was something different. By the time we get to 2019, the Miami Herald report had broken.
They knew about the three dozen girls who had come forward against it.

Speaker 8 These people are sick still associating with him. So

Speaker 8 I don't know. Like, some have been hiding in plain sight.
And then I just want to put this out there because

Speaker 8 I don't want to get to like me too Salem witch trially

Speaker 8 over Epstein. It is also possible that the guy didn't have a ring of like sex trafficking friends.

Speaker 8 that it was just him and maybe a couple of very bad judgment perverts nearby, but not like a huge ring. You know what I mean?

Speaker 8 And so we have to be open to that possibility because I just want to be like, you don't want to see anybody who is like friends with Epstein but didn't molest somebody find themselves with the scarlet letter.

Speaker 8 Like, we can't, we have to remember how we went overboard during Me Too as we learn these names that we think are about to get released.

Speaker 8 Just for the sake of the men who are innocent but may have known the guy. Just like having gone too far in Me Too, I feel like there's just a note of caution there.

Speaker 8 But for the actual scumbags who touched a girl, any any girl, yeah, let's throw the book at them. Let's shame them.
I have no problem seeing them lose their jobs at Harvard.

Speaker 8 I have zero sympathy for them and I look forward to seeing it, actually.

Speaker 8 Thank you. Thank you all.

Speaker 8 Okay, I'm going to get our show on the road because Erica is still hoping to get home in time to put the kids to bed. I know.

Speaker 8 So I'll have to talk to her later about what time a 17-month-old needs to go to sleep because this is, you know how it is when you're young. It's 7 o'clock.
Off you go.

Speaker 8 but my first guest you're gonna love so I didn't know Walter Kern that well but then he started going on with Matt Taibbi once a week and they had such a no-nonsense no BS kind of podcast where they talked about everything and they're both kind of disaffected Democrats do you know that like Matt always he never says who he voted for but it's clear he was of the left and he was a Democrat and Walter was too he's a he's of Hollywood Did you see the movie Up in the Air with George Clooney?

Speaker 8 Guess what that was based on? A Walter Kern book. He's this very successful Hollywood author and Hollywood writer, and his career was on fire.
And he was pretty committed liberal.

Speaker 8 Not leftist, but liberal. And then his turn came right around 2016.
And that is fascinating because it's very few leftists who became righties in 2016. A lot of righties went the other way.
Right?

Speaker 8 So what did it? Well, he's going to explain it to you in a couple of minutes. But he has gone on to write this newspaper called County Highway.
It comes out six times a year. It's amazing.

Speaker 8 You should definitely subscribe. He's doing the podcast with Matt Taibbi, and he's become a superstar now.
He's all over the place. He started coming on our show.
Now I can barely book him anymore.

Speaker 8 He's on real time with Bill Maher. They're trying to get him all over.
No, it's a no, he's ours. Little intro to Walter Kern, and then we'll bring him out.

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Speaker 13 The Trump-Russia scandal, which was really Hillary throwing a S-H-I-T fit over having lost, is, you know, less real than one of my novels.

Speaker 8 James Comey is trying not to become a bully.

Speaker 13 I struggle with how to stand up to bullies without letting their meanness infect me. It's so creepy.
It's like some strange person or vice principal trying to relate to you, you know.

Speaker 13 They've got you in a room. You're 13 years old.

Speaker 8 Oh, hello. Why you got to be so mean? Get out of my fucking shop.

Speaker 13 The lady in the back was used to this abuse. You could tell.
Totally. She didn't jump or anything.
It was just another day at Katie's.

Speaker 11 Yes, yes, we should have. We didn't get the grace that I think some other families have got.

Speaker 13 Still complaining? She acts like she was persecuted after becoming First Lady of the United States.

Speaker 13 That is the greatest honor so far short of female president that can go to a woman and to her husband. Even electing you president won't get you off our case.

Speaker 13 For me, the news of Sidney Sweeney is that heterosexuality is legal again.

Speaker 13 The idea that it was about her skin or her blue eyes, I'm sorry as a red-blooded American male, it's not her blue eyes or her skin that I first see when I look at that picture.

Speaker 13 Please help me welcome Walter Kern.

Speaker 13 I haven't been in Phoenix in 50 years since I was a ninth grader at Central High School. I'm glad to be back.

Speaker 8 Wowee.

Speaker 8 Because you're a Midwestern boy.

Speaker 13 I was a Midwestern boy. My dad decided we were going to become a Southwestern family in 1976, and it didn't work out.

Speaker 8 And that's how you wound up in Montana. What's that? That's how you wound up in Montana.

Speaker 13 I wound up in Montana because I was...

Speaker 13 A guy who lived in New York City, was educated in England and Princeton, New Jersey, lived all my life as a young guy after I left home among what you call the East East Coast establishment.

Speaker 13 And I wanted to drive a truck again.

Speaker 13 So I moved to Montana and I realized that I'd, like Dorothy, come home and I haven't left.

Speaker 8 So you do go out into the wild every once in a while, like you're here. And something interesting came up on my ex-feed today, Walter.
I don't know why it took as long as it did.

Speaker 8 I don't know if any of you saw this, but apparently it's from a good year ago or so. Yeah.
And Walter was with Matt Taibbi, and they were in an airport.

Speaker 8 And I'm just going to play the sound bite and let you get a little taste of our friend here.

Speaker 13 Stand up. Do you regret now that it's going MAGA on Twitter that you did the shoddy coverage of the Twitter files there?

Speaker 13 Shoddy coverage? Well, I mean, it's going shoddy in that, obviously, there was MAGA stuff to do. Get out of my fucking face.

Speaker 8 Not in your face.

Speaker 13 Get out of my face.

Speaker 8 So good.

Speaker 13 That's because I'm a Vikings fan.

Speaker 8 That was amazing. Everyone else always does the like, oh, I'm not going to engage.
What made you just get over there and get on his grill?

Speaker 13 Well, my real name is Walter the Fish Kern. And Joe Pesci is my hero.

Speaker 13 And that Joe Pesci can stand up next to Robert De Niro and be even tougher than him is inspiration to little guys like me. So

Speaker 13 this guy started in about five minutes before he turned on the camera because that's the guerrilla viral video technique. Get them all wound up and then catch them at their worst moment.

Speaker 13 But it might have been my best moment.

Speaker 8 Yeah. No, I think if you had it to do over, you'd do the same thing.
What was Matt's reaction?

Speaker 13 Matt's a Pisces. Does anybody understand

Speaker 13 astrology? I'm a Leo.

Speaker 13 Matt is six foot five. And he doesn't have to worry about little people wearing cheese hat head.

Speaker 13 I, however, am slightly threatened by them. So unless I win right away.

Speaker 8 It's like the Lasa Abso versus the Great Dane. Yeah.
Okay. So now I set it up in the intro about how you used to be like a normie Dem, a Normie liberal.

Speaker 13 And then more than that, I wrote, I was the

Speaker 13 national editor for the New Republic magazine.

Speaker 13 I don't think they've gone one cover for 15 years without making fun of Trump or so on.

Speaker 13 I was at Spy Magazine in the 80s, a magazine in New York City, which was almost devoted entirely to making fun of Donald Trump back when he was a Playboy real estate developer.

Speaker 8 So I was a gold-plated liberal.

Speaker 13 The problem was I couldn't keep lying about certain things.

Speaker 8 It's tough. That will make it tough.
So, but what when did the veneer come down? Like, what was it? How in 2016 did you go from the left to the right? It was just you.

Speaker 13 Well, Obamacare costing me a couple thousand dollars a month didn't help.

Speaker 8 People are about to feel that acutely.

Speaker 13 You know, pocketbook issues for a middle-class freelance writer who's trying to raise a family are very important.

Speaker 13 But I think what really happened was this Russiagate business. When I and all these other journalists were expected to sign off on the notion that Donald Trump was an agent of the Russian president.

Speaker 13 And the only thing that was preventing me from spreading that news was evidence.

Speaker 13 I kept asking for it. I begged my colleagues, I said, you're all leaving on the good ship, you know, Trump derangement syndrome.

Speaker 8 I want to go along.

Speaker 13 Just give me a reason.

Speaker 13 And they said, well, we all know he is. I said, but how do we all know? Who told you? Well,

Speaker 13 and it broke down. And suddenly I realized that I had spent my life not getting rich, but building up my integrity.
And I was not willing to sacrifice it over what I knew to be a lie.

Speaker 8 Think of that.

Speaker 8 That's a story of one person only. I mean, literally, nobody in the industry had the integrity to do that, Walter.
It's like

Speaker 8 plenty of us on the right stayed on the right, notwithstanding some objections to Trump or whatever they were saying, but no one on the left saw the lies and said, I'm out.

Speaker 8 So, how has that affected your life, especially as a big Hollywood person?

Speaker 13 I got real friends. That's how it affected my life.

Speaker 13 You know, this isn't about me, but when you go to Princeton University, grow up in a small town in Minnesota, and you see the world spread out before you.

Speaker 13 You know, the fathers and mothers of your classmates run major corporations. Hell, some of them run foreign countries and are just here

Speaker 13 on a study abroad program. You think, I want to join, I want to join the party, the World Party.
You know, I want to go to Davos someday.

Speaker 13 But the problem is that the compromises of the truth, of your your own integrity, of your vision of how life works,

Speaker 13 get in the way. And you can either sacrifice them and go along to the party, or you can keep them and stay with the people who also tell the truth.

Speaker 13 And now I have better friends, the people who were only around me for professional reasons, or because we'd gone to college together, or, you know, ate at the same fancy restaurants, they've all gone away.

Speaker 13 But I'm on the Megan Kelly stage at age 63, yes, with all you beautiful people, yeah.

Speaker 8 Well, and as you've watched your former party over the past 10 years, you must be really glad to have nothing to do with them.

Speaker 8 Um, I'm just gonna guess, because I gotta know you a little bit since we've been doing shows together.

Speaker 8 I'm gonna guess that this person whose soundbite I'm gonna play here, um, she goes by the name of Jasmine Crockett, does not speak for you. But you tell me, let's let's see what we can glean from

Speaker 8 this.

Speaker 20 What are you gonna do?

Speaker 20 They're not even gonna, honestly they're about to outlaw the idea of white supremacy and white hate like they are about to be like oh that's not a thing forget the fact that you're talking about getting rid of like the classification for nooses in a time in which we have seen these random black bodies be strung up down south

Speaker 8 also

Speaker 20 seemingly at a time in which you're back in office because what you do is you embolden the hate you embolden everybody to take off their hoods that is what he has done he is the one that is producing this violence

Speaker 8 okay

Speaker 13 is she talking to me

Speaker 13 i i mean i feel accused every time she gets on the stage and i didn't do anything totally um i grew up in minnesota where the only minority was lutherans um

Speaker 13 I came out of my youth without a trace of prejudice. She's trying to get me to have it for the first time.

Speaker 8 Yes, she's doing her level best. And the nonsense about their stringing up black bodies, wait a minute, okay.
Hello, 1950 called and it wants its history back.

Speaker 8 There was one young African-American person who died by suicide in a hanging incident. By suicide.

Speaker 8 She's trying to start a race war, suggesting it's whites who did it. And we're back to the Jim Crow era and things are just that bad.
And now they're going to outlaw the idea of white supremacy.

Speaker 8 How the hell do you do that? You can't get ideas out of anybody's head. This is just made-up stuff trying to aggravate people and create division.

Speaker 13 You know, liberals used to love ideas, and they used to love diversity and true difference.

Speaker 13 But now they've become a monolithic, uniform, dictatorial party, which wants to police language, police pictures, police

Speaker 13 every bit of our culture.

Speaker 13 They're dulling it down to the point where we can barely go to movies, we can barely watch TV shows, the music isn't good, the books aren't good, and it's all because of people like this who are trying to make us ashamed 24-7.

Speaker 13 We're Americans, we're here to have fun.

Speaker 8 So right.

Speaker 8 Isn't that so true? It's like

Speaker 8 Noah Rothman wrote a book a couple years ago calling them the new Puritans, the woke left. They really are Puritanical.
They're miserable and they want us to be too.

Speaker 8 And they'll find whatever label they can throw on us just to ruin our party, right? They look at us. It's like the Republicans are the cool kids having a great time at the prom.

Speaker 8 And these are like the nerdy losers who are hanging out in the smoking section, who are like putting little pins in the voodoo dolls of the fun ones.

Speaker 13 She's a big bummer.

Speaker 13 You know, when I finally got out of Minnesota and met a few people of other races and other things, I thought they were loose. I thought they were fun.

Speaker 13 I thought that the new things about, you know, self-expression and so on. I thought they were free.
I don't want to to be put back in a box by this kind of scolding.

Speaker 13 It's like a horrible kindergarten teacher.

Speaker 13 The problem about black bodies is there are a lot of white bodies. I was in Las Vegas yesterday walking down a not particularly good street, and it's strewn with white bodies.

Speaker 13 I can't even tell if they're dead. They're in such bad shape.
This country is full of casualties of the kind of policies that this woman espouses.

Speaker 13 And

Speaker 13 I'm for picking up all bodies off the street and I'm for them not getting there in the first place and I think that the world that she's painting for us is gonna lead to a

Speaker 13 lot more suffering a lot more misery a lot more despair

Speaker 13 she she's not gonna

Speaker 13 get me to feel guilty about the fact that I want something more for myself, my brothers, and people of every race. When I was at Central High School in Phoenix, we had so many gangs.

Speaker 13 We had Hopi gangs. We had Navajo gangs.

Speaker 13 We had diversity and a portrait of America that was far beyond, you know, even what we can imagine in that inner city.

Speaker 8 We all got along.

Speaker 13 We didn't have politicians trying to drive us into conflict like this. It's horrible.

Speaker 8 Hopie gangs, that's amazing.

Speaker 13 They were nice.

Speaker 8 Hopie gangs were like mellow.

Speaker 13 You know,

Speaker 13 I'll tell you about that story some other time.

Speaker 8 The other thing that you and I have talked about recently that is back in the news is the possibility of other life forms here on Earth.

Speaker 8 Is it just my feed or is this coming up in your social media and like your life more these days? Okay, no, it's just me. Okay.
But I'm in news and I talked to Walter, so that's what's happening.

Speaker 8 Well, my old pal, Brett Baer over on Fox News, just did this interview. Okay.
Yes, we like Brett. And he interviewed like the god of

Speaker 8 UAPs.

Speaker 13 That's what they call them.

Speaker 13 What used to be called UFOs. Yes.
They got an upgrade.

Speaker 8 Former Air Force guy.

Speaker 8 Just listen to this soundbite.

Speaker 21 Watch. I don't like to characterize necessarily where they came from.
They're definitely some kind of non-human sentience, but it is true. Believe it or not, we've recovered the vehicles

Speaker 21 and we actually have physical proof. And I was actually partially cleared into some of those activities.
It was beyond the oral testimony provided to me.

Speaker 21 I actually had partial access to the data and actually read the intelligence reports resulting from those programs with your own eyes. You saw it.
Yes.

Speaker 8 All right, now that's extraordinary because my understanding is this is not some kook, this is not some crackpot, this is a former Air Force, and he's saying he actually saw the vehicles and some sort of non-sentient being.

Speaker 13 No, sentient beings. Non-sentient beings are Jasmine Crockett.

Speaker 13 Sentient beings have awareness and thought.

Speaker 8 But this is something you've been reporting on, you've been paying attention to.

Speaker 13 So in the spirit of Charlie Kirk, I decided I would do nothing but tell the truth when I came out here tonight.

Speaker 13 I was invited to be on his show a couple of months before he died, and I declined. That should give everybody pause.
Take every opportunity you have with good people

Speaker 13 because they might not be around forever.

Speaker 13 Dave Grush is a friend of mine and he's a source, and I've known him for three years. I was texting him in the green room.
I said what can I tell Megan's audience?

Speaker 13 He said the problem with the aliens is that we care a lot about them but they don't care a lot about us.

Speaker 13 In other words, we're still exploring this universe.

Speaker 13 The gorilla was only discovered in the middle of the 19th century.

Speaker 13 It was a mythical being that they finally discovered in the jungle. They found bodies and so on.

Speaker 13 I'm convinced, and I hate to tell you this, that Dave is telling the truth and that against great pressure and great mockery, he's trying to describe our actual world to us.

Speaker 13 It's a world in which we have not made all the discoveries yet. Now, he often compares them to mountain lions.
He says, Do you believe in mountain lions?

Speaker 13 Everybody would say yes, right? How many of you have actually seen one?

Speaker 8 I have seen one. You've seen one? In Montana.
Okay, well,

Speaker 8 ugly.

Speaker 13 I am convinced that this isn't a psyop, that this isn't what conspiracy theorists call Project Blue Beam, an attempt to dazzle us all with a false god that will bring us all under, you know, slavery of some sort of world government.

Speaker 13 I think that very rarely, but somewhat commonly, over the years, going back through human history, we have been visited by beings of other types. It's a big universe, one we barely understand.

Speaker 13 We're very young.

Speaker 13 We're going to learn about, I can promise you this, we're going to learn more about this. And in the same interview, he tells you that Donald Trump knows a lot about it.
That's my information, too.

Speaker 13 If you know anything about Donald Trump,

Speaker 13 he will not avoid... bragging about what he knows before he

Speaker 8 so so i expect him to be the president who tells us what we haven't heard so what can you just like outline it for us more clearly like what exactly is he telling you they've seen

Speaker 13 they've recovered craft that

Speaker 13 have crashed some of those craft have fought each other in other words they people say how could they crash they come across the universe well we're not so sure they come all that far frankly We're not so sure they don't have places nearby to come visit.

Speaker 13 They're a little bit like gardeners from the descriptions of the people I've had as sources. They check on the garden every once in a while, but they have their own business.

Speaker 13 They have their own family fights. They have their own voyages.

Speaker 8 Now,

Speaker 13 what he's talking about are actual bodies on the ground.

Speaker 13 I imagine there's going to be a day where you're going to sit down in front of your television and people who you trust, scientists, politicians,

Speaker 13 ones who don't necessarily agree with each other on everything, but do agree on something like the truth, will bring forward the evidence. You will be convinced.

Speaker 13 It will not rock your world if you're a religious person. You can handle it.
If you've read the Bible, there are all sorts of creatures in there who aren't explained.

Speaker 13 If you believe that these are a demonic presence, I don't think they are any more than certain animals are.

Speaker 13 But you know, there was a time when we thought we were alone in the universe almost as a planet, that the sun revolved around us and so on.

Speaker 13 We survived the revelation that it was the other way around. We'll survive this.
It'll be interesting. Kids will be more interested in science.

Speaker 13 I think our universe will light up for us again.

Speaker 13 They've kept it to themselves for, I think, obvious reasons.

Speaker 13 And

Speaker 13 I spoke to someone just recently. I said, how should they first disclose this? And he said, they should take the craft that they've reverse engineered

Speaker 13 that have capacities that you and I don't know about and fly them over Phoenix

Speaker 13 and in fact that happened because the Phoenix lights is one of the great UFO scares of all time if you know about it

Speaker 13 so so I predict that's going to happen and I don't think it's going to be all that long and I don't and I think after all the movies and all the you know

Speaker 13 pop culture we're not going to be all that shocked by it I think we'll integrate it and

Speaker 8 it's not going to destroy our civilization to find out I have an idea for them them to integrate into the United States in a way and the world, the earth, that's going to make everybody really happy.

Speaker 8 It's going to make things non-controversial. People are going to be in favor of their addition to our way of life.
They just have to start by grabbing one of us. I nominate Elizabeth Warren.

Speaker 8 Just you take her. She's gone.

Speaker 8 She probably was part of that Hopi tribe at your high school.

Speaker 8 And we can all get behind that idea. Another unifier.

Speaker 13 The problem with if Trump announces it, the liberals won't believe him. I mean,

Speaker 13 Trump could lay out absolute proof of this thing, and half of the people wouldn't believe it. Just like, you know, they went and grabbed Tylenol the minute it seemed like he was against it.

Speaker 8 That was insane. Yeah.
Listen, I actually kind of hope you're right. I hope they actually have found it.

Speaker 13 I'm here to tell you, in the spirit of truth-telling, that I am right.

Speaker 8 Oh.

Speaker 8 What do you think? Are we in favor of actually seeing these crafts and these bodies if they exist? Should our government show them to us? Yeah. I want to know.

Speaker 13 They look like giant frogs. I'm not kidding you.

Speaker 8 So it's not Elizabeth Warren.

Speaker 13 There are different kinds. Okay.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 8 And on that note, we have to say goodbye to Walter. So we'll just let you dream about that tonight.
Thank you so much, my friend. Thank you.
Such a pleasure.

Speaker 13 Thank you, Megan. We'll see you.
Okay.

Speaker 8 Walter Kerr and everybody.

Speaker 8 So great.

Speaker 8 Next time somebody harasses me in the airport, I'm pulling one of those. I'm sure Doug will be thrilled.

Speaker 8 You know how it is, ladies. We start it, but the men have to finish it.

Speaker 8 So

Speaker 8 I don't know what to say about Erica Kirk that you don't know.

Speaker 8 All I can tell you is that since Charlie died, I've wanted nothing more than to be with her and talk to her and hold her.

Speaker 8 There is something about Erica Kirk that is deeply spiritual and she just seems closer to God than the rest of us.

Speaker 8 And I don't know if this is a trait she's had all her life, if this has been imbued in her since she became more religious or since she lost Charlie because that's when she and I became friends.

Speaker 8 I had met Erica prior to Charlie's death, but we didn't know each other. And since then, I have had this incredible urge.

Speaker 8 It's a strange urge because I have this huge urge to take care of her, to make sure that nothing happens to her, not from the media scoundrels, not from the terrible leftists who are hating,

Speaker 8 and certainly not from anybody who actually wishes to do her or her children, God forbid, any harm. But I also have at the same time this wish to be near her so she can heal me.

Speaker 8 Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 8 And I don't know, you guys, like, I kind of feel like this whole tour,

Speaker 8 trying not to get emotional already,

Speaker 8 was in part to heal me

Speaker 8 and maybe some of you too.

Speaker 8 You know what I mean?

Speaker 8 We suffered a severe loss in September, a severe loss that affected us all, I think, very deeply and profoundly.

Speaker 8 But no one more than Erica and their two children. We have done our best to

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Speaker 13 I know what every guy is thinking in the audience. How do I get a wife like Erica? I know that's what you're all thinking.
And the answer is, you don't deserve it, and I don't deserve it.

Speaker 13 It's by God's grace. That's the answer.

Speaker 11 I have to say this without getting emotional, but I'm very proud of my husband. You have worked so hard.

Speaker 11 And I know a lot of you have have seen obviously his videos on tick tock and all the stuff he does on campus all right you guys know how it works we're in your questions for a couple hours here no one gets to see him from my angle except for myself and our children

Speaker 11 he's amazing I'm very blind.

Speaker 13 And I would not have been able to do any of it without Erica. And that's the real truth.

Speaker 11 Charlie always said that when he was gone, he wanted to be remembered for his courage and for his faith.

Speaker 8 Charlie loved, loved life.

Speaker 11 After Charlie's assassination, we didn't see violence.

Speaker 11 We didn't see rioting.

Speaker 8 We didn't see revolution.

Speaker 11 Instead, we saw what my husband always prayed he would see in this country.

Speaker 8 We saw revival.

Speaker 8 That man,

Speaker 8 that young man.

Speaker 11 I forgive him.

Speaker 11 The movement my husband built will not die.

Speaker 8 It won't.

Speaker 8 I refuse to let that happen.

Speaker 11 No one will ever forget my husband's name, and I will make sure of it.

Speaker 8 I love you, baby.

Speaker 11 Rest in the arms of our Lord

Speaker 11 as he blankets you with the words I know your heart always

Speaker 8 strives to hear.

Speaker 11 Well done, my good and faithful servant.

Speaker 11 I can't wait to see you again one day.

Speaker 8 Please welcome Erica Kirk.

Speaker 12 You spoke the truth, you guided the youth,

Speaker 8 you showed the proof,

Speaker 8 you raised the light,

Speaker 8 And you were right

Speaker 8 Hey Charlie

Speaker 8 And now it's all around How could you be gone?

Speaker 13 How do we stay strong?

Speaker 8 It's been way too long

Speaker 8 We had to do the fire

Speaker 11 Charlie loved those fire words He loved so much that really is for Charlie

Speaker 11 anytime that's the signature of a Turning Point USA event more pyro he would do the walkthrough and they would do the pyro and he'd be like more

Speaker 8 it's very louder More do we do the fire after this beautiful tribute? People are going to be feeling emotional. I'm like, fire it up.
Fire it up. Charlie would want it.

Speaker 11 Same with at the memorial. You know,

Speaker 11 everyone got the fire. Everyone got the sparks.

Speaker 8 The fire makes a nice difference.

Speaker 11 So let's get everyone in the crowd ready.

Speaker 8 Let me ask you a question that my friends who have lost somebody say is the right question.

Speaker 8 How are you doing today?

Speaker 11 Well, we talked about earlier this week how

Speaker 11 it was an emotional week for me.

Speaker 11 The firsts are always

Speaker 11 so interesting because the firsts are either like your first date, you know, your first kiss, your first,

Speaker 11 and then with loss, it's like the first birthday, the first holiday.

Speaker 8 You know, it was Erica's birthday this week. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 Happy birthday.

Speaker 11 It was yours too, wasn't it?

Speaker 8 There you go.

Speaker 11 Happy birthday to you. Thank you.

Speaker 11 This is our birthday celebration together. You guys are all just happening to be here while we have coffee.

Speaker 8 But

Speaker 11 every day is different.

Speaker 8 Let's sing happy birthday. We sang to you last night.
I saw that.

Speaker 11 So

Speaker 8 two nights ago. Why not? May we?

Speaker 8 Happy birthday to you.

Speaker 8 Happy birthday to you.

Speaker 8 Happy birthday, dear Erica.

Speaker 8 Happy birthday to you.

Speaker 8 Many more.

Speaker 11 Many more. I told myself I wasn't going to cry hard not to.

Speaker 8 So this was the first one. And you're right.
The first, and we're about to go into a season of firsts, which is always challenging.

Speaker 11 And I know you can relate to this because you lost your father at a really young age.

Speaker 11 Every day is different.

Speaker 11 But I am so grateful that my husband,

Speaker 11 it was, he's hand-selected the village that surrounds me now.

Speaker 11 You know, he built Turning Point USA, yes, and it's a machine, yes, but he hand-picked all of the people.

Speaker 11 that not only run the organization, but that were within our orbit, our closest orbit, the people that he loved and he trusted so much and that he knew without a shadow of a a doubt, if something happened to him,

Speaker 11 that they would step up and they would be filled with the Holy Spirit and they would do what he knew they were born to do. And they wouldn't be afraid.
They wouldn't cower.

Speaker 11 They would take on the mission that he had instilled in them. And so to be able to have that chosen family in that village that he helped literally handpick,

Speaker 11 I could not do a fraction of a fraction.

Speaker 8 They've been amazing. Turning point is in such good hands.

Speaker 8 Yes, obviously, with you as the CEO, but the team that you have around you, all of whom I've met, are good and decent and loving people who adored Charlie. They loved him.
Adored him.

Speaker 11 Loved him.

Speaker 8 Let's go back before we get into your relationship with him and your future to

Speaker 8 you.

Speaker 8 Because I think people are very curious about you. I think they want to know more about you.
So I know that, obviously, you were Miss Arizona.

Speaker 13 Hello?

Speaker 8 Nicely done. Good, very, very top selection.

Speaker 8 And that you were a businesswoman in New York when you first got interested in turning points. So, what were you doing in New York?

Speaker 11 So, to go back a little bit further, I mean, right now, first and foremost,

Speaker 11 I'm a daughter to the king of the Most High. That's the most important

Speaker 11 title, if you will.

Speaker 8 And

Speaker 11 my husband,

Speaker 11 in August, before all this happened, he had an event where he had some donors at.

Speaker 11 And one of the first questions they asked was:

Speaker 11 God forbid, if something happens to you, like, what

Speaker 11 would happen next to Turning Point? And Charlie made a really interesting point. He said, companies,

Speaker 11 you know,

Speaker 11 example, Apple, Macintosh.

Speaker 11 He said they're founder-led.

Speaker 11 He said, but what I have built is,

Speaker 11 will one day, if I'm not around, be vision-led.

Speaker 11 And he had made mention at the end, like, you know, Erica will do a great job running it.

Speaker 11 And

Speaker 11 when I watched that video this week, it really put into perspective

Speaker 11 my

Speaker 11 youth and what I went through growing up, and what I witnessed, you know, my mom having her own company and being a single mother and watching her be the blueprint of,

Speaker 11 you know,

Speaker 11 I'm not afraid of raising my children alone because I saw my mom do that. I'm not afraid of being a CEO because I saw my mom do that.

Speaker 11 The only thing that I fear to be fully transparent with you is being out of the alignment of God's will because I feel like that is a very dangerous position to be in.

Speaker 11 And so for me growing up,

Speaker 11 when I was in New York, it was one of those moments where I really trusted God. That's where I needed to be.
I prayed on it at first because originally I was living in LA.

Speaker 11 And I said, Lord, if this is where you need me to be, make it so clear. Bought a one-way ticket to New York.
One suitcase, my mom was like, what are you going to do when you're there?

Speaker 11 I was like, I'll figure it out once I get there. I just know that's where the Lord needs me.
And so many people questioned that. They said, you're such a strong Christian.

Speaker 11 Why would you go to such a dark city? And I said, the more that you take the light out of a dark place, the darker it gets. So that's where I'm going.
Then I was there.

Speaker 8 And yeah, but when I moved to New York, my brother said, why would you want to move to New York? And I said, it's the big city of dreams.

Speaker 8 And he said, scary, nasty, wake up in the middle of the night screaming dreams.

Speaker 8 So I get it.

Speaker 8 But so you were working in New York for a while and then you went back to Arizona to apply for the Turning Point job?

Speaker 11 So

Speaker 11 I was in New York. I was casting director.
I was signed with a modeling agency. I had just gotten my real estate license three months prior to meeting Charlie and

Speaker 11 rewind a little bit. I went to Turning Point's office opening for their first building.

Speaker 11 And

Speaker 11 Tyler was, he runs Turning Point Action now.

Speaker 11 And he said, you need to meet the CEO. I said, okay, great.
Met him very quickly, shook his hand, said, hi, nice to meet you. Neither of us thought anything of it.

Speaker 11 Looking back now, he apparently sat down with Tyler and said, we need to hire, or Tyler said, we need to hire her. And he goes, mm-hmm.

Speaker 11 And he's like, where does she live? And Tyler said, New York. He's like, okay.

Speaker 11 I'm going to have a Fox News hit, and then I'm going to sit down with her and interview her in New York. So, lo and behold, he comes to Manhattan, and I thought I was so career-minded.

Speaker 11 My mother raised me

Speaker 11 to, and this is why I can relate a lot to

Speaker 11 the Manhattan mindset of a lot of young women, where it's career-oriented.

Speaker 11 Because my mom used to tell me, don't feel like like you need to rely on a man for

Speaker 11 life and work. And so, my mindset, my healthy marriage example was my grandparents.

Speaker 11 But my mindset was career, career, career.

Speaker 11 When I met Charlie, the only reason I sat down with him because I thought it was a consulting position for work. I was not thinking, I did not date in Manhattan.

Speaker 11 I saw the pits of hell of the dating pool through my roommates, and I was not touching that with any longest pole you can imagine. I stayed far away from the dating pool in Manhattan.

Speaker 11 So I viewed it as obviously the job interview that it was supposed to be. And

Speaker 11 the Lord knew. I just,

Speaker 11 Charlie, in some way, similar to how...

Speaker 11 You know, he sees things in a lot of people, in some way

Speaker 11 beautifully saved me from

Speaker 11 a huge mistake of putting career over family and career over husband because it's easy to do when as a female when you see bright lights big city

Speaker 11 but

Speaker 11 he

Speaker 8 the lord used him the lord used him for me how long did it take you to fall in love with him

Speaker 11 he that's the funny thing is it was

Speaker 11 It's so interesting because when we were sitting there, I fell in love with how

Speaker 11 brilliant he was to be able to articulate what he believed in.

Speaker 11 And when he said, I'm not going to hire you, I'm going to date you.

Speaker 11 I knew that was the Lord because there were so many times where I said,

Speaker 11 my future husband that's out there, he will literally, it will be.

Speaker 11 The only reason why I look up is because the Lord says to look up. And that was something to look up to when someone's like, I'm going to date you.

Speaker 11 And so, I just and but honestly, it was the constant consistency of I'm here for you,

Speaker 11 you know, the little texts in the morning, and then it just continued to grow in a beautiful way. So, yes, love at first sight, yes, obviously.
But I, again, my mindset wasn't there, his was.

Speaker 11 So, you think of it, you're in an interview, you have to totally do a 180 of a mindset.

Speaker 11 But I honestly, where like the depths of the love started was when we were playing basketball together at the gym, just shooting around together.

Speaker 8 By the time we saw that video, where he introduced you as his fiancé, and the two of you were staring at each other.

Speaker 7 Oh, I was obsessed.

Speaker 11 I'm still obsessed.

Speaker 8 Now break your gaze. I mean, that's, I think, as the kids would say, hashtag goals for virtually everybody who wants love in their life.
So you did get married.

Speaker 11 Yes.

Speaker 8 You have two kids.

Speaker 11 Two precious babies.

Speaker 8 And

Speaker 8 you told me this in private, but

Speaker 8 how many kids did you guys want to have?

Speaker 11 We wanted to have four.

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 11 And I was praying to God that I was pregnant when he got murdered. Oh, wow.

Speaker 8 I thought of that once,

Speaker 8 just like whether it was meant to be or whether we'd

Speaker 8 get news like that.

Speaker 11 I was like, oh, goodness, that would be the ultimate blessing out of this catastrophe.

Speaker 11 So now when I see young couples, I tell them, please, like,

Speaker 11 don't put it off. Especially if you're a young woman, don't put it off.
You can always have a career. You can always, you know,

Speaker 11 go back to work. You can never just go back to having children.
And they grow so fast and so quickly. But I just,

Speaker 8 I was praying.

Speaker 11 Both of us were. We were really excited to just expand our family.

Speaker 8 Thank God you have the two i know thank god you know

Speaker 8 i know that one day they'll find out right now they're just you know little loves and one day they'll find out that they're charlie kirk's children and they'll know what that means

Speaker 8 so i wanted to ask you erica because you are so faithful, whether you had any premonition that something was going to happen to Charlie.

Speaker 8 Because I really do see you as connected, more so than the average, than the rest of us, to God. And I just wondered,

Speaker 8 did you have any sort of a feeling?

Speaker 11 We always, we, see, the thing is, is that I guess we just operate differently. We always knew there were threats.
We always knew that there were

Speaker 11 people out there that hated us with deep, deep passion of hate.

Speaker 11 But it didn't scare scare us.

Speaker 11 Never, he was never afraid of that. Neither was I.
Obviously we protect our children. You know, we don't show their faces on the internet.
So that's very intentional. But

Speaker 11 I think we lived our life in such a way where

Speaker 11 if that was our last day, it was our last day, like we always lived as if it was the last day. That's why Charlie's speeches were so good.

Speaker 11 Because he didn't know if that was going to be his last speech.

Speaker 11 And he was

Speaker 11 so intentional about every word.

Speaker 11 Every word had a meaning.

Speaker 11 And every speech had a connection point for the students and for whoever he was speaking to. And that's why he never missed the opportunity to weave the gospel into what he was saying.

Speaker 8 Yes, that's what made him so much more

Speaker 8 powerful than the rest of us.

Speaker 8 If you see the difference between Charlie Kirk and many of the right-wing pundits or commentators, it's that he supercharged the message that the rest of us were saying with biblical references, with faith-based wisdom, which made it 10 times more powerful.

Speaker 8 And people knew it.

Speaker 8 It's one of the things we're all missing right now.

Speaker 11 But to answer your question,

Speaker 11 we always knew there were threats. We always knew that that could be a possibility.

Speaker 11 But obviously,

Speaker 11 but we never lived in fear fear of when that day would be. We just trusted the Lord every day.

Speaker 8 You know, now, of course, in the wake of Charlie's death, many are living under threat. I mean, the nutcases have gotten very loud and emboldened.

Speaker 8 And I just wonder whether it was the kind of threat environment that you needed to actually worry that something could happen, or was it just the din of like, there are haters out there, you get these nutcase letters sometimes, you know?

Speaker 8 was it something like no it's actually getting really serious and we need to worry or was it just the din of like

Speaker 11 no I mean you would see obviously leading up to that there was several shootings there was several individuals with guns on campus so you you knew that the threat was there and things were starting to heat up but again it wasn't anything that

Speaker 11 You know, you would think any different.

Speaker 11 No, no.

Speaker 8 I know that the morning he died, he went back into your your room. He had slept in your daughter's room because he got up in the middle of the night and she got up in the middle of the night.

Speaker 8 There was a switcher room.

Speaker 8 We've all been there. Yeah.
But he came back into your room and he got his necklace and he got his wedding ring, right?

Speaker 8 And his necklace had a cross on it and it had St. Michael's medal.
Yeah. I wear it every day.

Speaker 11 It's right here.

Speaker 8 Wow.

Speaker 8 Oh, it's so beautiful. Yeah.

Speaker 8 And Erica, I... Help me understand.

Speaker 8 I genuinely don't understand. I've asked Frank Turek this.
I've asked everyone I can ask this question.

Speaker 8 I don't understand how you can be wearing your cross and your St. Michael's Medal and be shot to death.
I feel, as Charlie felt, that that's armor.

Speaker 8 You know, we wear that to protect us and we believe God will protect us. How have you squared that?

Speaker 11 The Lord is so powerful, and we're not meant to understand

Speaker 11 all of his ways

Speaker 11 but there's mercy in that

Speaker 11 knowing that God uses evil for good

Speaker 11 I don't know what exactly that is

Speaker 11 but I do know that the Lord will use it and if that means revival

Speaker 8 the Lord

Speaker 11 I told people, I said, I have never found more comfort in in the statement, thy will be done.

Speaker 8 Explain that why.

Speaker 11 Because it shows that control is an absolute illusion.

Speaker 11 The Lord knows

Speaker 11 the number of hairs on our head, and he knows the number of our days.

Speaker 11 And that's why Charlie was so intentional of making sure everyone knew that their role in life was so important,

Speaker 11 and that you guys are all the missing puzzle piece to

Speaker 11 this whole story. And

Speaker 11 we used to explain it when we would have dinner sometimes about

Speaker 11 how, when you look at a tapestry on one side, you see all of these hanging threads, and it doesn't make any sense. They're all different colored threads all over the place.

Speaker 11 But when you turn that tapestry around,

Speaker 11 you see how beautifully woven together and how intentional every thread is to that tapestry.

Speaker 8 And

Speaker 11 yes, I fully believe that you put on the full armor of God every single day.

Speaker 11 I mean, henceforth, all of my bracelets and rings, like everything has meaning to me, and that's why I always wear my bracelets, always wear my rings, always wear my necklaces. And

Speaker 11 it's one of those things where we will never understand

Speaker 11 God's ways fully. We're not meant to.

Speaker 11 We wouldn't be,

Speaker 11 our

Speaker 11 mortal brains would not be able to even compute what he has designed and put together.

Speaker 11 But what I do know

Speaker 11 is that

Speaker 11 the Lord spoke through Charlie in so many ways.

Speaker 11 And

Speaker 8 I

Speaker 11 still feel so deeply connected to him.

Speaker 11 And I know that the Lord used such evil

Speaker 11 to bring about something that will eventually come to good.

Speaker 8 It's already started.

Speaker 8 I've seen it.

Speaker 8 I am a big believer in signs.

Speaker 8 You know, I think when you lose somebody, if you ask for signs, do you guys believe in signs?

Speaker 8 Have you gotten any from him?

Speaker 11 You know, it's so interesting. When we first started dating,

Speaker 11 this is personal, but I share it only because maybe it'll be a sign for you to know that Charlie's with you in something.

Speaker 11 When we first started dating, we would walk, we were walking to dinner one night, and this happened a lot. The lights would start to flicker.

Speaker 11 And he'd look up at the light and be like, you know, it's so weird. This happens to me a lot.
And I was like, really? He's like, yeah.

Speaker 11 So our whole dating and whole marriage, anytime we'd be in a room and a light started to flicker, he would just look at me and wink. It was like our little thing.

Speaker 8 It's power.

Speaker 8 It's a total frequency thing.

Speaker 11 And so

Speaker 11 the night everything happened when we were in Utah, I was in a hotel room by myself, in the bedroom portion by myself. And the bathroom light was on, and it just was a strobe light all night.

Speaker 11 Just flipping.

Speaker 11 And I was like, part of me couldn't sleep because it was a strobe light, the other part of me couldn't sleep because of how just my world has just crumbled, and the other part of me couldn't sleep because I was like, baby, I feel you, I know you're here.

Speaker 11 So that was, you know, some signs. But another sign, too, is just my daughter, you know, just saying little things and like, I'm okay,

Speaker 11 I see you. Is she starting to get it?

Speaker 8 Um,

Speaker 8 I

Speaker 11 yes and no.

Speaker 11 We talk about heaven. I make it really exciting.

Speaker 11 I tell her, Daddy had so much fun today. Everyone who has written letters and sent gifts to my children, thank you.

Speaker 11 I tell her, my son, he's only a year and a half, but I tell both of them,

Speaker 11 Daddy is telling all of his friends to send you gifts and letters. And you know, daddy is orchestrating from heaven to make sure that you always feel so loved.

Speaker 11 And the other day, she was like,'Tell me about Daddy's day in heaven.' So just

Speaker 11 we talk about that at night. And then sometimes I'll say,'Well, tell me what you think he did in heaven today.' And we just, I just try to make it exciting because it is, it is,

Speaker 11 heaven is

Speaker 11 heaven's our home.

Speaker 11 And so I just want her to know that daddy is having so much fun and building a place for her and our family in heaven.

Speaker 8 How do you...

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 8 I know that you haven't watched the video and you shouldn't watch the video and you don't. I'll never watch that video.
And you don't want the kids to watch the video. Yeah.

Speaker 8 But how are you going to handle it when they get older, Erica, and they start to learn about the haters? Right?

Speaker 8 Because there does have to come the time where that needs to be put in the proper perspective. Charlie was so tough.
He

Speaker 8 it was hard to get him rattled about these attacks. But

Speaker 8 and I can speak to this having having my own children, two of whom are backstage, you know, there comes a time where you have to sort of help your kids understand

Speaker 8 the terrible negative messages that are out there about someone they deeply love.

Speaker 8 How have you thought about that at all? Like how are you going to walk them into that?

Speaker 11 You know, it's I first and foremost I want my children to have a childhood. So that's another reason why I don't put them on the internet.

Speaker 11 It's another reason why I don't expose them to certain screen time.

Speaker 11 I've said it before, some of the shows, the only shows I would watch is Charlie, Bob Ross, because he has a very nap-inducing voice.

Speaker 11 And then, you know, every now and then it would be some of Charlie's events.

Speaker 11 But I want them to be children first, and I want to teach them

Speaker 11 so much about God

Speaker 11 and Jesus so that when they do get older and they do see the hate,

Speaker 11 they also understand how much good is still out there.

Speaker 11 And they also understand that they could be the antidote to the evil.

Speaker 11 And they can pray for those people and not be afraid. I'd never want them to be afraid.
But I want them to also see that that evil

Speaker 11 is because they or their parents or their loved ones is actually doing something to make a difference.

Speaker 11 Because if

Speaker 11 you're not getting attacked or slandered or

Speaker 11 whatever else out there, you're just looking a lot like the rest of the world. And I want them to know that that's okay.

Speaker 11 You know,

Speaker 11 I have been called so many names. I have been

Speaker 11 slandered, and

Speaker 11 none of that means anything to me. It's all just noise.

Speaker 11 It's something crazy.

Speaker 8 No, it's unbelievable. Watching people turn on you

Speaker 8 has been one of the most unexpected, strange, terrible things that I've been doing. You know what, Megan?

Speaker 11 And I know you get this because you have a very, you have a thick skin and a soft heart. The thing is, is that

Speaker 11 the more that people, and that gets outlandish more and more crazy as time goes on because there's just a void that apparently needs to be filled. But

Speaker 11 I'm okay with the world not understanding me.

Speaker 11 I'm okay with that.

Speaker 11 I'm okay with

Speaker 11 they,

Speaker 11 you know,

Speaker 11 I don't want to look like the world.

Speaker 11 As Christians, we're called to be in the world, not of it. And if they could understand me, then I'm not doing something right.

Speaker 8 Well said.

Speaker 8 Forgive me, did you see people didn't understand the hug that you and JD had?

Speaker 8 They went to the weirdest places, Erica. Oh my gosh, you guys.

Speaker 11 Please. So for those of you who know me, I never, I'm a very,

Speaker 11 I love, I hug.

Speaker 11 You're an intense hugger. Whoever is like hating on a hug needs a hug themselves.
I will give you a free hug anytime you want a hug. My love language is touch, if you will.

Speaker 11 But seriously, that hug, so I will give you a play-by-play.

Speaker 11 I'm walking. They just played the emotional video.
I'm walking over. He's walking over.
I'm starting to cry. He says, He's so proud of you.
And I say, God bless you. And I touch the back of his head.

Speaker 11 Anyone who I've hugged, that I have touched the back of your head when I hug you, I always say, God bless you.

Speaker 11 That's just me. If you want to take that out of context, go right ahead.
Again, that to me shows that you need a hug more than anyone else.

Speaker 11 So if anyone...

Speaker 8 They were acting like you touched the back of his ass.

Speaker 11 I feel like I wouldn't get as much hate if I did that, versus.

Speaker 11 But no, seriously, so now when I go and hug people, I'll bring them back in and be like, I obviously didn't give you the right hug. Like, come, let me touch the back of my ass.

Speaker 11 I don't know what to do with my hair.

Speaker 8 You can't touch the head.

Speaker 8 What can I touch? I know. I'll just.

Speaker 8 Not me. I'll just say, if you touch the back of my head, I'm like, oh, she's feeling the extensions.

Speaker 11 Damn. That's another thing.
People think my hair is fake. It is very real.

Speaker 8 My hairstylist told me your hair is real. She was like, oh no, that's all real.
This is real. I love some women.

Speaker 11 They like come and touch the back of my head. I'm like, what are you doing?

Speaker 8 They're feeling

Speaker 8 out. Yeah.
They're patting the weave.

Speaker 8 I know.

Speaker 8 How is that real? Have you just been growing it out your whole life?

Speaker 8 We want to know.

Speaker 11 My mother.

Speaker 11 Okay, so I was, I loved sports growing up. I was the

Speaker 11 my I started playing basketball when I was five. My first coach, he was Charles Barkley of all people, which is amazing to have as your five-year-old YMCA coach.

Speaker 8 Good to see you with your little Charles Barkley doll. No, it was great.

Speaker 11 He's an awesome man. His daughter was a dear friend.

Speaker 11 And so I loved sports. And my mom, I was swimming all the time.
I was always super active. And since my mom worked,

Speaker 11 I was always at the Boys and girls club always and I was the last kid to get picked up from the boys and girls club every single day and the poor counselor or whatever you want to call him that had to stand with me and waiting for my mom to pick me up every day I loved sports I loved basketball so much it was such a good escape for me as a as a child and

Speaker 11 And I remember my hair from swimming was so ratted because I have very coarse hair and my mom hated combing my hair. And so her solution was a bowl cut

Speaker 11 straight across.

Speaker 11 Traumatizing. To this point, my hairdresser knows when we get a trim, it is literally like a fraction of my hair.
I will never have hair shorter than my shoulders. Charlie loved my hair, though.

Speaker 11 He just...

Speaker 11 He loved how long it was.

Speaker 8 So what you're saying is you have long, thick, coarse hair that takes you a while to grow out and take care of, and you're not black or named Michelle Obama.

Speaker 11 Which is fascinating that can happen with all the conspiracy theories out there.

Speaker 11 I'm not going to touch that one either.

Speaker 8 Hopefully, you haven't been paying too much attention to the news cycle, but they know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 11 No, but

Speaker 11 my hair, to get back to that, is something that I just,

Speaker 11 it was, I'm not going to cut it.

Speaker 8 I'm not going to, you know, Charlie liked it long.

Speaker 11 He liked it. He liked it long, and here we are.

Speaker 11 But my mom, if you ask my mom, she'll tell you

Speaker 11 it's when

Speaker 11 you, if she grew up from the standpoint of a Lebanese Italian background, and you're supposed to shave your kids' head when they're two, and then it's supposed to grow back really thick after that.

Speaker 11 I was a product of the shaved head, so if you would like to try that on your two-year-old,

Speaker 11 unsolicited advice.

Speaker 8 Does it work on the 55-year-old? I have no idea. You guys tell me.
I don't know.

Speaker 8 Am I going to try?

Speaker 8 You know, you raised the issue of the girls.

Speaker 11 If you're going to see us shaved head by December, you know why. Oh, yeah.
We all look like Britney Spears.

Speaker 8 The headline will, they went full skin head. Right.
Yeah. There you go.
And are listening to Nick Wynne. That's the last thing.
That'll be. Yeah.
No. Yeah.
It's a no.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 8 While we're on the subject, because you really were a very strong female athlete. Can I ask you your position on that? No, yeah, definitely.

Speaker 8 Because this is obviously a dominant thing. We had Megan Rapino in the news just this week saying people are, they don't really mean it.

Speaker 8 They don't actually have an objection to men playing in women's sports. They're just using it as an issue.
She made all her money. She's sitting pretty.

Speaker 8 But she wants your daughter to play against boys. Your thoughts on it?

Speaker 11 So,

Speaker 11 well, you can take this as a twofold. So if you're looking at it from the sports angle, where you're playing up against

Speaker 8 men,

Speaker 11 I mean, I know this has been said before, but then what's the point of female sports?

Speaker 11 But to me, being an idiot, I played in college. I worked so hard for that scholarship.

Speaker 11 I knew my strengths as a point guard. I hated driving the lane, always.
I always shot the three. That was like my thing.
I'm not driving to have someone who's like six, seven, just

Speaker 11 not happening.

Speaker 11 She said it.

Speaker 8 So

Speaker 8 for me,

Speaker 11 sports has a very special place in my heart. But

Speaker 11 as a mom

Speaker 11 now and watching my daughter compete, it's just,

Speaker 11 I know they say, you know, life isn't fair. I get that.
Life's not fair. But there's certain things

Speaker 11 that

Speaker 11 are really special.

Speaker 11 And women's sports is one of them. And it's really, some people look down on it.
Some people think it's not. But you know, those girls have worked so hard for their position.

Speaker 11 And to have it taken away from them by someone who

Speaker 11 couldn't rank in their own

Speaker 11 sport and field,

Speaker 11 it's demoralizing. And it also weighs on the whole topic of

Speaker 11 being a woman, being proud to be a woman, being proud to be a strong female athlete. And I wouldn't want that taken away from anybody.

Speaker 8 That's right, having having the glorious chance of accomplishment. I mean,

Speaker 8 we'll never win if we're playing against biological boys.

Speaker 8 We'll never have that glorious feeling of crossing the finish line first or being the one who has the game-winning shot because it's always going to go to a man. It's just one of the basic things.

Speaker 8 We always talk about the unfairness of it and the safety of it, but just think about that-like the glorious feeling of winning, which I never had because I wasn't an athlete. But you had it.

Speaker 11 I don't know. I feel like politics somewhat is form of an athletic feat.
So,

Speaker 8 you know, I had it like when Don Lemon got fired.

Speaker 11 It depends. That was your moment.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 8 You know, we all look for our moments. Yeah, we feel good.

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Speaker 8 I want to ask you about the book that you're holding in your hand.

Speaker 11 Yes, Charlie's book. I took the dust cover off because I carry his book everywhere.
Stop in the name of God. It's coming out soon.

Speaker 8 Charlie's coming out with a book. Yeah.

Speaker 8 He's coming out with a book.

Speaker 8 Stop in the Name of God, which is a great title. Stop in the Name of God.
And what is it about?

Speaker 11 Took him a year and a half to write it. And this book, I mean, when I'm reading it, I'm like, I did not even know you knew that.

Speaker 11 It is so powerful.

Speaker 11 Overarching theme of it is the power of honoring the Sabbath and the importance of rest.

Speaker 11 And reading this, and I even brought one of his journals with me to read out of it because

Speaker 11 the thing that's so interesting about reading this book and reading this journal, and I know a lot of you that are Christians will understand this.

Speaker 11 They tell you that when you read the Bible, it's the living word of God, and it is.

Speaker 11 And you see the Lord in technicolor when you read the Bible and you actually understand

Speaker 11 those words. And so, for me, reading Charlie's journals and reading this book,

Speaker 11 it's like he's, I mean, he's still, he's present with the Lord, but it feels like he's still fully here.

Speaker 11 And that's what's so powerful about this book. And I watched him as a wife completely transform

Speaker 11 into

Speaker 11 an already, I mean, he was already amazing and incredible, but it totally elevated him when he was honoring the Sabbath and when he really took that seriously, that time to rest seriously. And

Speaker 11 I just can't help but think, like, everything, and to go to your point of signs,

Speaker 11 I don't think anything is by coincidence, but

Speaker 11 to have this be his last book and to him totally master what it means to rest with the Lord. It's all for us full circle now because it's the ultimate Sabbath where he is right now.

Speaker 8 When did you get to read it?

Speaker 11 When? Yeah. As much as I can, driving into the office or.

Speaker 8 You know what I mean? Was it written

Speaker 8 in its entirety before Charlie died? Yes.

Speaker 11 It was. Yes, it was.
He finished writing this, I believe, in July, June or July of this year.

Speaker 8 So you had read it?

Speaker 11 But to read it in a book format and not an email format that he would send me is

Speaker 11 night and day difference, yeah.

Speaker 8 What are the pages that are folded up?

Speaker 11 The one that I, well, all of them are amazing, but the one that I wanted to read

Speaker 11 was

Speaker 11 the part about sleeping because

Speaker 11 Charlie, his adrenaline was always going, and it was very hard for him to turn his brain off at night. Henceforth, snacks at like 2 a.m.

Speaker 8 Didn't you tell me olives and bananas?

Speaker 11 Not together.

Speaker 8 Not together, but it was like even snacking in a healthy manner.

Speaker 8 Almonds, yeah. Also, we do have to discuss the fact that you said he only had mint chocolate chip ice cream once a year.
Twice. Twice a day and fourth a year.
Fourth of July on his birthday, right?

Speaker 8 And no ice cream any other day.

Speaker 11 His self-control and self-discipline was phenomenal. And to the point too, where when I was pregnant, 70% of the reason why no one saw me when I was pregnant was because of this situation.

Speaker 11 The other 30% was because I just was with my babies. But 70% of it was...

Speaker 11 I'm really hungry. I think I, should I have a milkshake? Baby, get that milkshake.
But I don't know if I should have that milkshake. You need the milkshake.
I'm gonna go and get you that milkshake.

Speaker 11 Do you want a hot fudge Sunday too? I'm gonna get the In-N-Out burger. No questions.
I'll be right back. Animal style.
So he'd come home. He loved it because he loved driving around at night.

Speaker 11 So he'd come home with the In-N-Out burger, animal style, protein stock, whatever mixed in with the hot fudge Sunday, the chocolate shake.

Speaker 11 And he would be so excited to give it to me and watch me eat it. But that was because he was living vicariously through me.

Speaker 11 So no joke, I got to like 190 pounds. I was like, I am literally going to weigh more than you by the end of this pregnancy.
And he'd be like, baby, you look great.

Speaker 8 You look,

Speaker 11 don't worry about that. That's just baby weight.
I mean, granted, it does go away. It takes a while.

Speaker 8 He's sitting there eating his olives?

Speaker 11 No, no, he's just watching me. And I'm like,

Speaker 11 I will enjoy this hot fudge Sunday while you wish that you could have. But he was so self-disciplined and he was so good about eating.

Speaker 11 He was, biohacking was his love language of being healthy, eating clean. He could not operate on fast food the way that he was in general.
Like, that's why he never drank.

Speaker 11 That's why he never, it wasn't from, you know, a motive of I'm better than whoever.

Speaker 11 It was from the motive of, I need to operate as if I'm going to war every single day, and I can't operate on this type of food.

Speaker 8 That's amazing. And speaking of the sleep, that's very...
No, right.

Speaker 11 So the sleep was important because I was like,

Speaker 11 he loved his sleep. And something that I was very intentional about is when he came home,

Speaker 11 I would always let him sleep in, always on the weekends.

Speaker 11 I would take the kids, go for a walk, whatever it took, and I would want him to wake up when it was time to wake up because I knew how important rest was for him.

Speaker 11 And so, when I read this in the book, I just, it was on my heart to share it with you because the title of it says, Jesus Slept, Elijah Slept, and So Can You.

Speaker 11 And he said, So start tonight, close the laptop, power down the phone, let the dishes wait, pull the shades, dim the lights, and give your body permission to do what it was created to do: to rest.

Speaker 11 Let your bed become an altar of trust as your head touches the pillow and whisper to God, I release it all to you.

Speaker 11 You don't need to check one more email. You don't need to prove anything.
You don't need to carry the weight of the world. It already has a Savior.

Speaker 11 And it's not you.

Speaker 11 Sleep is not a distraction from your purpose. It is part of your purpose.
It is a sacred rhythm that restores your mind, heals your body, and quiets your soul.

Speaker 11 The Sabbath is your weekly reminder that you are not a machine. You are a beloved child.
And children sleep well when they know their Father is near. So go ahead, embrace the gift.

Speaker 11 Make your Sabbath a day not just of rest, but of sleep. Deep, joyful, and replenishing sleep.
You're allowed. And more than that, you're invited.
Rest isn't weakness, it's worship.

Speaker 11 And tomorrow will be better because you trusted God enough to rest today.

Speaker 8 Wow.

Speaker 8 And he was keeping the Sabbath.

Speaker 11 He was.

Speaker 11 So with that, since today is his Sabbath,

Speaker 11 I wanted to read to you from his journal.

Speaker 8 Oh, wow. Is that it right there?

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 8 Wow.

Speaker 11 In his handwriting.

Speaker 11 A note that he wrote to himself.

Speaker 11 to honor the Sabbath. He said, Dear Lord,

Speaker 11 thank you for a wonderful week. Thank you for your endless protection and provision.

Speaker 11 Father God, thank you for your mercy and grace.

Speaker 11 Lord, I did better this week despite the challenges of travel.

Speaker 11 I miss my wife. It's hard to be away from her for a few days.

Speaker 11 Thank you for giving us a roadmap of what it means to be obedient and put Christ first.

Speaker 11 Lord, I have realized the following.

Speaker 11 The battle against the mind is Satan's playground.

Speaker 11 He dwells and prowls to destroy.

Speaker 11 The more in alignment we walk in your command and teachings, the more joy and blessing we experience.

Speaker 11 Lord, thank you for showing us the way, the truth, and the life.

Speaker 11 Thank you for blessing our organization.

Speaker 11 I pray for resolution amongst the divides that Satan is attempting.

Speaker 11 Lord, we pray for blessing for the people who feel they have been wronged. Father God, we ask for your guidance, wisdom, and direction, your comfort and your healing.

Speaker 11 We love you, Lord. Thank you for another Sabbath.
CK.

Speaker 8 Wow.

Speaker 8 Erica, I know you touched on it earlier,

Speaker 8 but I

Speaker 8 one of the reactions I have to hearing that is like, I get angry.

Speaker 8 How can that man have been taken? How

Speaker 8 he was all goodness. The left who are bastardizing his memory have no idea what they're talking about.
Charlie was all goodness.

Speaker 8 I know we can't understand God's plan, but have you had bouts of anger? You know, I think about what the kids are going to miss, what you got gipped out of, what poor Charlie now

Speaker 8 is going to miss, and I feel angry.

Speaker 8 Sadness, of course, obviously, but yes, against the accused shooter, but just

Speaker 8 I know you don't ever feel angry against God, but I kind of do.

Speaker 8 I understand. How do you make sense of that? And do you have any anger when you think about it? Not towards the Lord, but in general?

Speaker 11 The enemy would love for me to be angry.

Speaker 8 He would love it.

Speaker 8 He would love it.

Speaker 11 Because it would distract me from building what Charlie entrusted to me, raising our babies,

Speaker 11 turning point,

Speaker 11 being there for the team,

Speaker 11 being there for what the future holds. And if I had any any amount of anger in my heart and spirit, the Lord would not be able to use me.

Speaker 11 And every single day, just how Charlie did, stood on stage, he would say, Here I am, Lord, use me.

Speaker 11 And if I had that anger in my heart, that foothold from the enemy,

Speaker 11 he wouldn't be able to.

Speaker 8 I know

Speaker 8 at Charlie's memorial,

Speaker 8 right across the way here,

Speaker 8 there was that extraordinary moment where you forgave his accused accused killer.

Speaker 8 And I mean, I looked and I said, that's the most powerful, strongest thing I've ever seen anybody do in my life.

Speaker 8 And then somebody helped me understand because I thought,

Speaker 8 I could never do it. I could never do it.
And somebody said to me, forgiveness is an action, not an emotion. And I was like, okay, that's getting me closer to feeling like I could do it.

Speaker 8 If I don't actually have to feel loving in my heart toward the person.

Speaker 8 But I wonder, like, how do you,

Speaker 8 if you could say something to him, if you could, like, if you say something to his parents, like, what would it be? Would it be anger? Would it be sympathy? What would it be?

Speaker 11 That's a good question.

Speaker 11 Wouldn't be, it wouldn't be,

Speaker 11 it wouldn't be sympathy. It wouldn't be anger.

Speaker 11 How do you put this?

Speaker 11 Anything that I could ever

Speaker 11 wish upon him or that family

Speaker 11 would pale in comparison

Speaker 11 of the justice of God,

Speaker 11 and so I would look at them

Speaker 8 almost like,

Speaker 11 I'm so glad I'm not you.

Speaker 11 I am so glad I'm not you.

Speaker 11 And I pray that,

Speaker 11 you know, you figure out a way to be right with the Lord, but

Speaker 11 our God is... Our God is sovereign, but he's also very just.

Speaker 11 We serve a very just-filled God. right

Speaker 11 so

Speaker 11 i really have nothing to say to any of them

Speaker 8 yeah

Speaker 8 nor do you need to never you mentioned in your remarks at charlie's funeral that you know you pointed out the irony that

Speaker 8 the accused shooter is exactly the kind of person who charlie meant to help yes i mean that's kind of what he dedicated his life to doing

Speaker 8 is trying to reach disaffected young men who had been forgotten by a system or worse than forgotten

Speaker 8 remembered and told that they're terrible and to blame for everything.

Speaker 8 And those messages for years now have really materially, seriously affected the health and mental well-being of a generation of young men

Speaker 8 who need turning point.

Speaker 8 And so that's a huge responsibility for you.

Speaker 8 Like, it's not just, oh, we have a great political organization and it's a really big thing and people love it.

Speaker 8 You actually have to go about the business of saving an entire generation, in particular of young men but young women too

Speaker 8 how

Speaker 8 are you gonna do that

Speaker 8 i mean i think everybody wants to know without charlie how how are you gonna do that

Speaker 11 a few things

Speaker 11 first charlie would say i want to save the lost boys of the west

Speaker 11 that was on his

Speaker 11 he had a to-do list and that was on the top point of the to-do list. That

Speaker 11 he has that piece of paper still on his desk at his office.

Speaker 11 But what's so powerful about all of this is that Charlie was so focused on the family.

Speaker 11 He didn't believe that it was up to the government to raise your kids.

Speaker 11 He wanted to not only empower the students, but also the parents.

Speaker 11 And something that you've done so beautifully, Megan, is that your children,

Speaker 11 you've raised them with the truth and understanding the importance of loving this country. You might not agree with everything that the government does.
That's life.

Speaker 8 It's the government.

Speaker 11 But you still love this country.

Speaker 11 And so your babies even started Turning Point chapters.

Speaker 11 But it's also because you as a parent saw how important that was.

Speaker 11 And I think that's what's so special about Turning Point USA is that when we have these events, especially America Fest, it is so family-oriented.

Speaker 11 We're not out there trying to raise your kid. We're trying to reaffirm what you've been telling them this whole time.
We're trying to reaffirm to them that there is a space for you.

Speaker 11 We are here for the civil discourse. We are here for the debates.
We are here for the dialogue. We are here for the freedom of speech.
That's our

Speaker 11 role.

Speaker 11 Save Western civilization.

Speaker 11 But what Charlie loved, and him being a parent also, was that he wanted to inspire the parents to

Speaker 11 show their kids what true North is, and then say, you have a home at turning point that will help fuel that even more. And so that's how I view us, being able to help.

Speaker 8 Charlie spoke very frankly to young men.

Speaker 8 He did it on my show many times. And one of my favorite clips of him is the dating advice one.

Speaker 8 Right? Do you know the clip clip I mean where he said, you got to pay on the first date to the guys.

Speaker 8 When you are courting a woman, he said, when you are courting, yes. He was very sweet to those guys.

Speaker 8 He says, you seem like nice guys, but it's absolutely ridiculous that you're talking about not paying. Right.
So let me ask you the other side of it.

Speaker 8 What's your advice to young women who get asked out by young men?

Speaker 11 Well, stay away from hookup culture. Don't just date to date.
If a guy wants to take you to drinks instead of dinner, that's a huge huge red flag.

Speaker 11 If they don't want to go to church with you and have brunch afterwards, another huge red flag.

Speaker 11 Don't introduce them to your family until you know without a shadow of a doubt that might be the man that you're going to marry. And don't treat your boyfriend like your husband.

Speaker 11 Don't treat your boyfriend like your fiancé. Treat them like your boyfriend.
Treat your fiancé like your fiancé and your husband like your husband.

Speaker 11 And I think that when you stay focused on the Lord and the lane that He has you in, which is a stream of significance, keep swimming in that, the man that's supposed to be with you will not detract you from the Lord.

Speaker 11 He'll enhance your focus on the Lord. And He will help

Speaker 11 be there to build with you, to love on you, to be there for your family. He won't tear you away from your family.
He won't challenge your beliefs in a way that makes you question

Speaker 11 the Lord and what you know in your heart to be true.

Speaker 11 He'll love you so well, just like my Charlie did. And he'll be a compliment to you in such a beautiful way.

Speaker 11 And you'll be equally yoked where you're not having to compete and you're not having to strive. The two of you are in lockstep, and you're building something beautiful for the kingdom.

Speaker 11 And it's powerful.

Speaker 8 If I could, just a quick addendum:

Speaker 8 Don't be a slut.

Speaker 11 Right.

Speaker 8 Just that too.

Speaker 11 Note to self. Note to self.
Right.

Speaker 8 All right. Now, in the time we have left, I've got to ask you this.

Speaker 8 Turning point

Speaker 8 played a massive role in the past election, in the presidential election.

Speaker 8 Massive role. I know.
And so we have to talk about what Turning Point may or may not do in 26, and most importantly, in 28, and why is it get behind J.D. Vance?

Speaker 11 Let's start with midterms first before we start jumping to 28. And let's enjoy the fact that we do have Donald Trump in office, and we worked really hard.

Speaker 8 Let's enjoy that.

Speaker 11 We worked really hard to make that happen. My husband did.

Speaker 11 So, I just want to enjoy that for a minute before we start jumping ahead. But

Speaker 11 my husband, like I said, built a machine.

Speaker 11 And

Speaker 11 some of the secret sauce within that was that

Speaker 11 he loved the students,

Speaker 11 but also

Speaker 11 he loved empowering them to know that they could make a difference and how important voting was.

Speaker 11 And when you see these pictures of him when he first started Turning Point USA,

Speaker 11 he was so bought into his own mission. He wasn't

Speaker 11 you know, in an office cubicle while the students were out in an event.

Speaker 11 He was there wearing his lanyard with his little name tag and a big gov sucks button and socialism sucks button.

Speaker 11 And he believed in the mission so much.

Speaker 11 And for lack of a better term,

Speaker 11 he knew that the unsexy work was what it took to save elections, which is

Speaker 11 tennis shoes and clipboards and speaking to your neighbors, knocking on doors, being involved with your community, not being afraid to explain to people why you believe what you believe.

Speaker 11 And nothing is changing at Turning Point USA or Turning Point Action. If anything, it's just continuing to grow.

Speaker 11 I mean, you've seen the numbers of how many chapters and churches, and it's been phenomenal. And yes,

Speaker 11 there is a structure of quality over quantity,

Speaker 11 but

Speaker 11 the 26 midterms, obviously, will be focusing heavily on Arizona.

Speaker 8 It's our home state.

Speaker 11 But

Speaker 11 the thing I love the most, especially about, and if you guys have ever been to our campus, if you have not, I really suggest you come by.

Speaker 11 We have a building that's specifically for the Turning Point Action Building.

Speaker 11 And it is one of my favorite buildings to go into because I feel the heartbeat of Charlie in there from a strategy standpoint because it's a literal, it's like a war room in there.

Speaker 11 They have the polling and they have

Speaker 11 the strategy laid out and they have the door knockers. It's really, really powerful to witness.
And I can just see Charlie being like, knock on that

Speaker 11 one more door, one more door, talk to that neighbor one more time. And so we are thrilled to be able to still make massive impacts and inroads with the upcoming elections.

Speaker 11 And the team that Charlie built, I tell you what.

Speaker 11 I would bet on them any day.

Speaker 8 Always. You mentioned, I mentioned JD, you mentioned Trump.
Can you just give us a minute on them? Because from afar, it has looked like they've been so there for you.

Speaker 11 Yes.

Speaker 8 And, you know,

Speaker 8 I don't think most people were surprised to see J.D. do it, but everyone says Trump has no empathy.
He's a nasty guy.

Speaker 8 He's a mean guy. He's a Nazi.

Speaker 8 Pick your term.

Speaker 8 I saw him with you at the Presidential Medal of Freedom when he awarded it to Charlie posthumously. Can you just tell us a little bit about how they've been behind the scenes in this whole thing?

Speaker 11 Charlie and President Trump had a really special relationship.

Speaker 11 It was one that some people would understand, others wouldn't.

Speaker 11 At some times, it was fatherly son,

Speaker 11 but at other times it was this mutual deep respect of

Speaker 11 being able to build in a way where Trump understood building in Manhattan and building across the country and across the world architecturally.

Speaker 11 And he also, Charlie understood building with Turning Point USA and

Speaker 11 his

Speaker 11 ability to

Speaker 11 see things that other people couldn't really see, especially in other people.

Speaker 11 But what Charlie really appreciated about President Trump

Speaker 11 is that no matter what anyone says about him,

Speaker 11 he is so mission-focused.

Speaker 11 He's so laser-focused. And Charlie was the same way.

Speaker 11 And he admired so much the president's tenacity to keep going, especially after January 6th, when no one wanted anything to do with him.

Speaker 11 Charlie said, I got your back. And he meant it.

Speaker 11 And moments like that really put into perspective the human aspect of politics.

Speaker 8 You can

Speaker 11 go down the rabbit hole of slandering someone. But at the end of the day, when it's all said and done, the most important thing

Speaker 11 is that you realize that we're all just doing our best here

Speaker 11 with our one life that we have.

Speaker 11 And the president was so good to Charlie from the standpoint of he didn't look down to Charlie.

Speaker 11 He appreciated

Speaker 11 his ability to be able to mobilize the youth, but also to share the message of how amazing the country we live in. Yes, we have faults.
Anything with humans have faults. We're all sinful.

Speaker 11 But he appreciated that Charlie was always there for him, and he was always there for Charlie.

Speaker 11 And the president has always had a very soft spot in my heart because I got to witness that he wasn't just the president to my husband. He was a friend.
And I'll never forget that. Yeah.

Speaker 8 And JD and Usha have been incredibly supportive. It's been really nice to see.

Speaker 8 And I look forward to you guys throwing the full weight of turning point behind them in about three years.

Speaker 8 Am I being subtle? No, it's don't worry.

Speaker 11 It's already, you know, it's in the works. But

Speaker 11 that was a thing that my husband was very direct about.

Speaker 11 It was interestingly enough, one of the last few conversations we had was how intentional he was about supporting JD for 28.

Speaker 8 Yeah, he was totally behind JD. And he was largely responsible for Trump picking JD.

Speaker 8 That's true. Okay, here's another one.
Charlie said on the record, Erica is way more conservative than I am. Way more.

Speaker 8 How so?

Speaker 8 Well,

Speaker 11 first and foremost, we were always

Speaker 11 very in alignment with, obviously, a lot of things.

Speaker 11 But there were certain things where we made sure that I

Speaker 11 a little in the beginning, and Andrew Colvett can attest to this, it was an immigration side of things that I had a different viewpoint on. And then he was like, I see that point.

Speaker 11 It was a long time ago. It was student visa-related topics.

Speaker 11 But other than that, we were in alignment with a lot of things.

Speaker 11 I was just a little bit more direct behind the scenes about it. But

Speaker 11 we were always in lockstep with one another.

Speaker 8 So people hoping for a turning point to go conservative light now that's not happening.

Speaker 11 Okay. No, we are not turning point USA is not becoming feminized, let me tell you that.
But it's not going to happen.

Speaker 8 Awesome.

Speaker 11 Never. No, we have a great team.

Speaker 11 We have,

Speaker 11 you know, a phenomenal group of people that are.

Speaker 11 That's, you know, that's what's so amazing, too, about Turning Point is that after all this happened,

Speaker 11 we didn't have a mass firing. We didn't have mass exodus.
We didn't have any issues internally. Everyone, we grieved,

Speaker 11 but

Speaker 11 we were able to pull off an unbelievable memorial service.

Speaker 8 It was incredible.

Speaker 11 But that just is a testament to the team. I mean, that's not normal.

Speaker 11 That is the Holy Spirit moving within the organization. And

Speaker 11 now more than ever, I see the strength of the organization because people aren't just there to write emails. And that's why

Speaker 11 the age of the individuals that work at the office, everyone's so young. Charlie didn't care if you went to college.

Speaker 11 He actually preferred that you didn't, and he would hire you right out of high school. But

Speaker 11 the organization itself is so healthy and the culture is so healthy.

Speaker 11 And our chapters and the students and the field program and the Charlie Kirk show and the events team and everyone that is a part of the organization goes back to that tapestry of, yeah, there's a bunch of threads, but woven together, the organization is phenomenal.

Speaker 11 So, no, we are not weakening at all. We are not becoming feminized at all.

Speaker 11 If anything, we're being more emboldened, and we will carry on my husband's legacy in a way that no one could even have imagined, and we'll make it everything he could have ever dreamed of and more.

Speaker 8 Amen.

Speaker 8 Amen.

Speaker 8 God bless you. God bless your children.
God bless Turning Point USA. And you let all of us know if you need anything.
Prayers.

Speaker 11 Prayers would mean everything. You got it.
Wisdom and discernment and protection. And just pray for our country.
Pray for our leaders. Pray for people that you don't agree with.

Speaker 11 You don't have to like them, but just pray for them.

Speaker 11 Pray that the Lord softens their heart. Pray that the Lord has his will be done and justice always prevails.
And

Speaker 11 just pray that

Speaker 8 we're on it.

Speaker 8 We love you. I love you.
Don't we love Erica?

Speaker 8 Thank you.

Speaker 8 Don't forget to buy the book. Stop in the name of God.
You can get it now. Thank you.

Speaker 8 Thank you so much. I know I love you.

Speaker 8 Thank you.

Speaker 8 Right there.

Speaker 8 You guys, I feel better. Do you you feel better? Yes, the fire is lit.

Speaker 8 Our hearts are excited. I want to thank all of you so much for being here.
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Speaker 8 They've done such a great job for us throughout the tour. I love you, and I'll talk to you on Monday.

Speaker 8 Bye. God bless you.
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