Fani Willis Trump Case Done, COVID Bombshell, and Attacker Caught, with Chamath Palihapitiya, Dave Aronberg, Phil Holloway, and NYU Students | Ep. 1205

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Speaker 13 Plus the Kelly's court on Luigi Mangioni January 6th and those pipe bombs and more. But we begin today with some political news.
The Republican

Speaker 13 who was running for the seat in Tennessee being vacated by a Republican did manage to pull it out in the special election yesterday in Tennessee. But it was close.

Speaker 13 It was closer than the Republicans would have liked.

Speaker 13 Last count I saw in the New York Times was around nine points between the GOP candidate and the weird Democrat who cried outside of the governor's office.

Speaker 13 It should have been 22 points. That's what Trump won that district by.
And it's a solidly red district. So why are the Republicans only winning it by nine points?

Speaker 13 Especially since the Democrat candidate was a complete loon.

Speaker 13 That's a problem. I mean, the Republicans can just pretend that they don't have any problems.
That's fine. You can do that.

Speaker 13 If you want to sit here for the next 11 months and say, this is all your haters, okay. We'll see how that turns out for you in November.

Speaker 13 Or you could actually get honest about why you're having these problems and change some things and then possibly win the midterm elections. It's not a foregone conclusion that you're going to lose.

Speaker 13 Look what Joe Biden did. You know, he, yes, the Republicans took, you know, they did okay, but there was no big red wave.
You remember that a couple years ago? You could limit the losses.

Speaker 13 Will they try? Will they try to figure figure it out what's causing this?

Speaker 13 We'll talk about it. Joining me now on this and much, much more is Jamath Palihapatiya.
He is a co-host of the All-In podcast and CEO of Social Capital. Jamath, welcome back.

Speaker 16 Hi, Megan. How are you?

Speaker 13 Great to see you. Great to see you.
Let's start there because, you know,

Speaker 13 Our mutual friend, your close friend David Sachs, is in the administration. I know a lot of folks in the administration.
And this thing in Tennessee a bit of a rattler.

Speaker 13 Trump won it by 22. They only won it last night by 10.

Speaker 13 The Democrat is a nutcase. Excuse me.

Speaker 13 Yes, they put a bunch of money into the race, the Dems, but so do the Republicans. So, what's happening here?

Speaker 13 Like, if you actually got the audience with Trump and he said, what should I do to make sure it's not a bloodbath for Republicans in November? What would you tell them?

Speaker 16 I think the plan

Speaker 16 is actually pretty straightforward to diagnose, but it's complicated to fix.

Speaker 16 So just to set some context, when I was at the White House, I think it was two or three weeks ago, I saw some data that had been vetted and that was

Speaker 16 about to be shared with the president. And now I think it's been widely shared, which is that under Joe Biden,

Speaker 16 I think that the average American family lost about $3,000 of purchasing power.

Speaker 16 And the reason they lost that was in large part because of inflation and runaway costs and the cost of practical, useful things that they need for their life, electricity, health care, and

Speaker 16 childcare.

Speaker 16 So the Trump administration starts from a $3,000 hole. Now, what they've been able to do in 11 months is that they've earned back $1,000,

Speaker 16 which is a third of where they are. I think

Speaker 16 the problem, though, is that they will need to find the other 2,000.

Speaker 16 And it's not their fault because, again, they inherit where they started from. But I think the perception that people have is just that negative $2,000.
So if I had to diagnose an answer,

Speaker 16 I think it's about breaking down the population that's voting into three cohorts. Cohort number one are people that are mostly retired.

Speaker 16 I think that their priority is going to be mostly around healthcare.

Speaker 16 Then there's cohort number two, which are middle-aged, middle-income families.

Speaker 16 I think their huge sensitivity is general cost of living.

Speaker 16 And then I think what people like Mamdani uncovered, which I think the Republicans should embrace, is for young people, the huge hot button question is around student loans and debt load and on-ramping into the United States economy with a decent starting job and salary.

Speaker 16 So I think you have to have programs that touch each of these three areas. And that is probably the path forward where you can earn back the 2000,

Speaker 16 show that you've basically closed this hole that Biden created, and then ideally you get out of that hole so that you're now gross net positive, which would be a huge economic win for them.

Speaker 13 Now, of those voting blocks, the the one that is most likely to actually show up on election day is the older group.

Speaker 13 If history is any, excuse me. I've got my Ludins.
I've got all my tools searched them up, but I'm coming off the future.

Speaker 13 Taricola. Yeah, I got you.

Speaker 13 In any event,

Speaker 13 the older people are the ones who vote. But also people who are economically motivated will vote.
I mean, we did see a higher turnout of the young people.

Speaker 13 last time around in large part thanks to our friend Charlie.

Speaker 13 So

Speaker 13 where do you focus on? I mean, truly, like if you're just talking like brass tax, November's coming. We've got to get people motivated to vote Republican or we're going to lose the House.

Speaker 13 We're going to have nonstop impeachments and investigations. The Trump agenda will be stymied.
Where do you go?

Speaker 16 I mean, I can brainstorm with you. These are all kind of like hypotheticals, but I think the hypotheticals are kind of interesting because it starts to make the point you're making.

Speaker 17 So

Speaker 16 I think if you look at older folks,

Speaker 16 the biggest cost that they bear is the uncertainty and the actual lived cost of medical expenses as they get older. Because most of them, you know, for better or for worse,

Speaker 16 have structural housing. You know, they've either owned a home or have been renting something for a long enough period of time where that issue is less of an issue for them, per se.

Speaker 16 You know, we all talk about how boomers sort of were buying homes in the 80s and 70s and

Speaker 16 early 90s, and everybody else now is sort of on the sidelines frozen out.

Speaker 16 So if it's around medical care, we heard yesterday in the cabinet meeting, Bobby Kennedy say something really interesting, which is starting in 2026,

Speaker 16 you will not allow for certain procedures to have to go through prior off,

Speaker 16 which is this crazy scheme that the insurance companies use to essentially slow down approvals. They do that.
so that they can make more money in the short term before they have to pay out claims.

Speaker 16 But the lived experience for older Americans is when you need a procedure, you're kind of waiting around hand-wringing, wondering why the insurance you're paying into isn't approving a legitimate medical procedure.

Speaker 16 So if you look at that narrow issue and expand the scope,

Speaker 16 the interesting thing would be to figure out how can we make the healthcare rails in America more frictionless? How do you make prior off

Speaker 16 much easier to do? across a wide variety of procedures, but also maybe we should look at medications.

Speaker 16 How do we think about out-of-pocket costs in Medicare and Medicaid?

Speaker 16 Could those be subsidized in some way with sources of funds that are neutral to the government, meaning they don't come out of the general fund?

Speaker 16 There are some very clever financial things that one can do there that rely heavily on

Speaker 16 private corporations and the money that they're already making. So that's one practical issue.
How do you specifically, narrowly lower health care costs for older voters?

Speaker 16 So, that, but that consolidates the block of people, as you said, that are going to come no matter what.

Speaker 16 I think if you're going to go after homes and middle-aged folks, you have to look at utility costs, food costs, and electricity costs, and you have to find a way.

Speaker 16 And there are, by the way, very clever things that one can do, again, that don't require the general fund or treasury.

Speaker 16 So, one example of this is that if you had a large group of corporations come together, they can directly use the big beautiful bill language around things like batteries and smart thermometers, and you can go and implement these things into a home, help reduce the cost of electricity in some cases upwards of 50 or 60 percent, and what you get is actually a rebate on the taxes you would otherwise pay.

Speaker 16 That at scale I think has a huge impact on CPI and could activate

Speaker 16 the 35 to 55 year old voter who's

Speaker 16 in a household family of four type thing.

Speaker 16 But I go back to this other thing. This younger cohort was activated by these

Speaker 16 programs that are, you know, they're, frankly, they're regressive, but they're massed as like equity.

Speaker 16 And I think the most important thing that they care about is what is the long-term solution for all of this student debt that they're signing up for?

Speaker 16 Because the jobs that they get afterwards make absolutely no sense and do not generate anywhere near the revenue relative to the cost that they undertake.

Speaker 13 We're not doing anything about college tuition. Nothing.
We just keep increasing the amount that they can borrow.

Speaker 13 So then they do borrow that because the universities increase their tuition immediately accordingly.

Speaker 13 And the students are left with this enormous bill that cannot be paid off any sooner than 30 years with jobs that don't justify that sort of energy. It'll never be paid off.

Speaker 16 It'll never be paid off. And look, the different, the difference, look, think about a house, right? You take on a multi-hundred thousand dollar mortgage in a house.
Most people

Speaker 16 don't also pay off their mortgages. What they're able to do is rise and

Speaker 16 participate in the appreciation of the home and then close the mortgage out when they sell the home, right?

Speaker 16 The overwhelming majority of people get the capital appreciation of this huge loan that is a liability on their balance sheet.

Speaker 16 But if you look at student debt, those loans are of the same order of magnitude as a home mortgage, but they don't appreciate in value in any way. They don't accrue value to you in any way.

Speaker 16 And they're an albatross that you can't even discharge in a bankruptcy.

Speaker 16 So I think the thing that we have to seriously consider now is at a minimum, do we stop federally underwriting all loans in an equal way it's it's doesn't make any logical sense that somebody chasing an eight-year PhD in art history has the same economic opportunities as somebody chasing a four-year degree in biochemistry

Speaker 16 the latter has a lot more practical applications yet when when we, the United States people, underwrite that loan so that it can be sold into Wall Street, we view them the same.

Speaker 16 So then what happens is Harvard is just as incentivized as to push that person into a, you know, they go to that person and say, Megan, I think you should get an undergrad in biochemistry.

Speaker 16 You're like, no, I really like art history. They're like, well, what about this PhD?

Speaker 16 That can't happen anymore. You have to be able to differentiate these things and understand the downstream economic value.

Speaker 16 And if you want to study art history, maybe the right thing for most people is to learn by yourself.

Speaker 16 or in a community college class while you are working because you appreciate that underwriting a $300,000 degree for that thing doesn't make any sense economically.

Speaker 16 We don't have that conversation in the United States, but I think we have to.

Speaker 13 No, because it's all federal loans. I mean, if there were private lenders making a case-by-case decision, we would factor earning ability in, but we don't.
The government just gives it.

Speaker 13 And I lived this firsthand too, even when I was in law school. They raised the amount that you could get from the government on the tuition loans.

Speaker 13 And sure enough, you know, and I was thinking, oh, great. I'll actually be able to get some that will go toward toward my

Speaker 13 cost of living.

Speaker 13 Like, I'll actually pay for my own apartment without having to work all these hours on top of my law school.

Speaker 13 And no, I couldn't because the law school just raised the tuition exactly the amount that the government raised the loan amount. So it all goes to the university.
Everybody's experiencing this.

Speaker 16 Can I give you an example that underscores this even more?

Speaker 16 The best example of why there is sanity in the private markets.

Speaker 16 Now, now you've given me what what you had.

Speaker 13 Excuse me. Oh, no.
Or the transom.

Speaker 16 I'm good. No, you know what it is? In Thanksgiving, all that happens is we all spend time at home.
We all just get sick. I have five kids.
Three of them were laid out all Thanksgiving.

Speaker 16 My wife and I were just trying to duck bullets the whole time.

Speaker 13 It's a miracle. And you know, you have to be aware of

Speaker 13 how easy it is to infect your family because every doorknob you touch in your, in your home, the refrigerator, the remote control, you're just like this petri dish.

Speaker 13 Although I will tell you, Jamath, Doug and I, we had a very funny exchange this morning.

Speaker 13 I don't know if you're like this, but whenever I get sick, I'm sitting here like a walking ball of germs, like coughing, I'm blowing my nose, and my eyes are running.

Speaker 13 And Doug's like, I feel something in my throat. There's a tickle.
I have a tickle. We have to spend 10 minutes on the tickle in his throat.

Speaker 13 We spend zero on what's happening to me right now at this second. Like men are

Speaker 13 just. You're a woman.

Speaker 16 You're a woman. You're strong.

Speaker 13 Men are weak.

Speaker 16 And we need to be coddled when we get sick. This is a a rule.

Speaker 13 It's true.

Speaker 13 It really is true. Men are physically stronger, but they are mentally weaker when it comes to the thought or experience of illness.
This is a fact. This is why we have the babies.
God knew.

Speaker 16 I have an incredibly funny but sad story about this. So during Thanksgiving, we go on Black Friday to a mall here in Silicon Valley, and two of my kids are sick, and my wife is sick.

Speaker 16 And in the middle of this thing, there was like a shooting, which never never happens where we are. Wow.
And the whole mall goes into lockdown. We're in a store.

Speaker 16 The people at the store did a wonderful job. They closed all the doors.
We were sitting in the dressing room, just waiting for everything to clear. And it was clear pretty quickly.

Speaker 16 It was just an isolated event. But in any event, in the whole thing, I look at my wife and my kids who are sick, and I'm like, are you guys okay? They're like this.

Speaker 16 And they're like, are you okay? And I had nothing wrong. And I was just a puddle.
I was like, you know, I don't know what's going on. I think I have COVID plus the flu, plus the avian flu.

Speaker 16 I don't know what's happening. I'm ready to like just completely.

Speaker 16 It was so, it was so sunny. Okay, anyway, so going back to what I was going to say to you before.

Speaker 16 The best example of where there's rationality when the private market prices

Speaker 16 something versus the public market is in mortgages. So when you buy a home

Speaker 16 and you want to get either the insurance or the mortgage itself.

Speaker 16 One of the things that we've been told about for years is there's this threat of climate change. And climate change could meaningfully impact sea levels.
They could impact the weather.

Speaker 16 They could impact extreme weather events. Well, you know who has the best incentive to understand whether those claims will be true in a dispassionate way? It's banks.

Speaker 16 And the reason is it's the banks' money that's being used to buy a home.

Speaker 16 And what's so interesting about that is that forget all of the rhetoric, all of the emotional Sturman drawing around climate change.

Speaker 16 If you actually just looked at how the banks priced risk over these last 20 years,

Speaker 16 what the financial direction would tell you was that climate change was something that could theoretically be important, but not much of a thing.

Speaker 16 And that was the actual financial underwriting. This is just an example to show you that when you have

Speaker 16 these important philosophical issues of society, sometimes the clarity and the truth can be found through unemotional financial underwriting. It's not true for all things,

Speaker 16 but if you gave these educational degrees into the hands of institutions that would have to pay for it,

Speaker 16 you would very quickly see them figure out what the ability for these kids would be to pay it, and also what the ability for these kids would be to enjoy a good life and their version of the American dream.

Speaker 16 You would get that answer within a year.

Speaker 13 Yeah. Yeah.
And today,

Speaker 13 our government approached it the same way. There was what you said about climate change reminded me of this.

Speaker 13 It went kind of viral yesterday.

Speaker 13 Nicole Shanahan, who was RFKJ's running mate and was married to Sarah Gay Brin of Google, co-founder, she has her own podcast now, and she went off a bit on the obsession with climate change among many people in Silicon Valley.

Speaker 13 It's not just Silicon Valley, but among especially like the rich Silicon Valley wives. It was pretty interesting.

Speaker 16 Yeah, the private equity wives. Yeah.
The tech team.

Speaker 13 Take a listen to this. Yeah, she was on with, actually, she was on with Ali Beth Stuckey, but here she is, Nicole Shanahan, Sat 13.

Speaker 19 What I don't think many of the tech mafia wives realize is that they were used to set the groundwork for what was called like the reset, what is called generally as like the reset.

Speaker 19 The tech wive mafias, I believe, were kind of being conscripted in many ways, and their money especially was being conscripted in

Speaker 19 to set the groundwork for the great reset, specifically through

Speaker 19 a

Speaker 19 network of non-NGO advisors,

Speaker 19 relationship with Hollywood,

Speaker 19 relationship with Davos,

Speaker 19 and their own companies, completely blind to everything else that's going on and how their groundwork is being used

Speaker 19 to then enable

Speaker 19 these other policies, these great reset policies. And these women find their meaning through their philanthropic work.
That was my self-worth, was my philanthropic work, and I really believed in it.

Speaker 19 I really believed that I was giving black communities a chance to

Speaker 19 rise up out of oppression. I really believed that I was helping indigenous communities rise up out of oppression.

Speaker 19 The problems of the community have gotten worse, crime in the community has gotten worse, mental health in the native community, the indigenous community, has gotten worse. The whole model is broken.

Speaker 19 The whole model makes everybody worse off. Social justice and climate change, it always boils down to those two things, and it gets progressive women 100% of the time.

Speaker 13 It's amazing to watch her red pill evolution. Super fun to see her get there.
And yes, everything she said is right, Jamath.

Speaker 16 I can kind of see where she's coming from. I think that,

Speaker 16 look, the thing with Silicon Valley that's so incredible is you can believe in yourself and you can start something.

Speaker 16 And in any other place, what would otherwise take you 50 years,

Speaker 16 you can accomplish in five.

Speaker 16 Now, that's an incredible thing in terms of what you can make for society. But it can be a very destabilizing thing because along with making great things, you can be rewarded in five years

Speaker 16 in a way and at a scale that would have otherwise taken 50 or 75 as well. That second part is very destabilizing.

Speaker 16 And I think that there are those folks that then have access to these resources that aren't necessarily anchored to something, who want to find purpose.

Speaker 16 And if you are an elite organization like Davos and you can create this air around yourself about intellectual and moral superiority, you have the ability to pull these folks in and use them as tools and mechanisms to affect your agenda.

Speaker 16 I think that's essentially what she's saying.

Speaker 16 It's a very complicated topic.

Speaker 16 I sympathize for

Speaker 16 what a lot of those folks are doing. Some of these tech wives, to be honest, I know.

Speaker 16 And I think the honest answer is you actually have to start looking at the core of these organizations, like these Davosos, and start asking the question, like,

Speaker 16 maybe we don't need to have this hyper

Speaker 16 globalist monocultural view from the top.

Speaker 16 And I think if you have the courage to say that and say, there's a lot of different viewpoints, and many people

Speaker 16 acting independently always gets to a better answer than a group of a thousand people deciding for 8 billion.

Speaker 13 And I think that's something different. I think it's something else.
I think these women tend to be gunners in their own right.

Speaker 13 Nicole, I think she was getting her degree at Stanford when she met Sarah Gay, like she was on her way toward doing her own independent thing.

Speaker 13 It's the same story for a lot of the women in Silicon Valley, same story for a lot of the women where I am in Connecticut who wind up marrying billionaires or, you know, guys who are on their way to becoming.

Speaker 13 And I think what these women need is a more active purpose in their lives. I think they wind up married to people who are more successful than they are.

Speaker 13 So it's like, okay, I'll sacrifice my career and I'll raise children. But the children quickly age out of the range where you need a mom there full time.
And so now these women are bored.

Speaker 13 They have a lot of brainpower. It's like Secretariat is sitting there in the pasture during his prime years and he's fucking bored.
He needs to run.

Speaker 13 And like what these women need to do is step away from Davos and these fake charities as like something that's real and helping anybody and go to work.

Speaker 13 Like find the balance that allows you to use your brain power in the way God intended and also take care of your children if that's what you would like to do. And I totally support that.

Speaker 13 But I think what happens is they're bored and they find the wrong outlet for it. That's not real work.

Speaker 13 It's a substitute for it. Because if you have real problems, Shamath, if you let's say you have an actual bill to play to pay, let's take it down to like my mom, who's a nurse.

Speaker 13 She doesn't have time to think about this bullshit. She is taking care of patients all day.
Well, now she's retired. She's 84, but in the day,

Speaker 13 those people are never the ones creating society's problems. They're too busy managing their own.
It's almost like these people need real problems.

Speaker 16 So

Speaker 16 if, so when you say go to work, do you mean like join a corporation and, you know, slot yourself in and try to work yourself up the ladder? Or?

Speaker 13 Whatever your passion is. I don't know.
It could be you, you start a business. You know, and I don't mean the fake business either.
Here's the other problem that I see with these billionaire wives.

Speaker 13 So many take their husband's money and then they're like, I'm a founder. And they start doling out the husband's money to random groups.
And they're like, oh, I'm the founder of that company.

Speaker 13 I'm one of their chief investors. That's not doing anything.
That's giving away your husband's money.

Speaker 13 Pick a fucking job that requires you to use your brain, that requires you to take risk, hire people, evaluate situations, and make judgment calls, fail, succeed, stand up on your own two feet, be your own individual person and not just your husband's wife.

Speaker 13 If you really want an active profession, not every woman does, but for the women who do, do that instead of doing fake Davo shit that is meaningless.

Speaker 13 And actually, it's worse than meaningless, it's harmful.

Speaker 13 It just makes you feel better about your fragile ego, you know, getting it stroked, but you're actually hurting people because you don't understand that world, you don't understand how you're being used, and how you're not even important to them.

Speaker 13 You're just a gateway to your husband's wallet. And they, on some level, they know it, so it's unfulfilling.
But we all pretend it's not the case.

Speaker 13 Find something that, I mean, honestly, I've said this to some of my friends. I would rather they get a job at the damn supermarket.

Speaker 13 Just do something that genuinely requires you for eight hours a day or six hours a day.

Speaker 13 Sorry for my rant, but that's, I have strong feelings about it.

Speaker 16 Yeah, I mean, I think that that's, it's just an incredibly hard thing to do, I guess.

Speaker 16 Because I think if you put yourself in their shoes, maybe there's a level of stature that they feel like they won't get by doing that. I'm not, I agree with you.
Like I've been a worker my whole life.

Speaker 16 It's the opposite.

Speaker 13 Yeah.

Speaker 16 I think you have to have a social circle as well that rewards that.

Speaker 16 You know, it's hard to go back and say, listen, I've decided to do X, Y, Z, and that's less interesting than, say, flying around to Davos and giving away money.

Speaker 16 That's the thing that those folks are able to do, Megan, is they're able to market and make you feel very special for doing that.

Speaker 13 So

Speaker 16 all I'm saying is we have to find a way. of creating a social culture that rewards what you just said.

Speaker 13 Right. And if we can have it with me, I'll create the culture around them.
They can call me for daily psych up. Affirmations.
Affirmations. Yes.

Speaker 13 I'm happy to give it to like, honestly, when I'm choosing a friend, I would much rather see somebody who's like hustling on her own, whatever it is.

Speaker 13 Even if she's married, I know people like this right now.

Speaker 13 We're married to very rich men who are constantly finding something else intellectually interesting to do, whose children are launched, you know, in college.

Speaker 13 They don't require them full-time any longer, and who just continue to challenge themselves. Like, this isn't good enough.

Speaker 13 I'm not actually actually happy just sitting around here being asked for my investments. I have to find a way to make my own life matter more than that.

Speaker 13 And when women don't do that at any income level, I really think it leads to bad things. I think it's one of the reasons why women are a huge part of our problem right now.

Speaker 13 They're a huge part of our societal and political problems because they're voting overwhelmingly Democrat.

Speaker 13 They buy into the narratives that the left sells them about DEI and racism and the trans stuff and empathy. And they're ruining the country with all this apathy and free time.

Speaker 16 What is it exploiting, do you think? Like, how are the Democrats able to exploit that so well, so efficiently?

Speaker 13 Because it is, Ali Bestucci is speaking of her. She wrote the book called Toxic Empathy, and that's exactly what it is.
Women have a beautiful thing called empathy in spades way more than men have.

Speaker 13 That's the way God intended it. And it's the reason why, generally, when your kid gets hurt, he wants his mom and not his dad.
You know, you're going to stroke him and hug him and press him into her.

Speaker 13 Yeah. And the dad's going to be like, you're fine.
You know, toughen up.

Speaker 13 But that gets exploited from K through 12 and beyond by these teachers who use it to make these girls feel like bad people if they don't buy the Democratic Party line.

Speaker 13 It's from all the DEI messaging and the trans messaging right down to when I was in law school, Chamoth,

Speaker 13 they taught us. that the Constitution, this is a liberal line, was a living, breathing document that could evolve over time.
I had no idea that was a liberal line. I thought that was real.

Speaker 13 It was shoved to me by professors who were trying to exploit my empathy. Like it lives and breathes in a way that will allow

Speaker 13 due process for people in a way that had never been intended, that will allow the Supreme Court to issue a ruling saying

Speaker 13 you can't legislate sex at a certain level, like in a certain way, whatever, to read rights into there that were never in there, like the right to privacy and the right to have an abortion.

Speaker 13 That's exploiting your toxic empathy. Anyway, this is women are genetically prone to it, given evolution, given how we are.
And these leftist professors and teachers know it. The systems know it.

Speaker 13 They take advantage of it. And I think we need a little bit more testosterone running through our veins.

Speaker 16 Do you think it's organized or do you think it's disorganized? But because they all have the same incentive, it all kind of goes in the same direction.

Speaker 13 It's the latter. It's taught in a way that, you know, I don't know.
It's taught in the same way like my mom knew how to make the meatballs because her mom knew how to make the meatballs.

Speaker 13 And now it skips a generation because I don't know how to make the meatballs, Shamath, but I think my daughter's on her way.

Speaker 13 It's just, you learn it, you see it every week growing up. It's modeled for you by the teachers and the professors you respect.

Speaker 13 It's assumed that you're going to go along and you know you're going to get a pat on the head if you do it. And then before you know it, you're doing it.

Speaker 13 And like in my case with a living, breathing constitution, that's just one example. But like, you don't know that this is even questionable.

Speaker 13 It's just taught to you by somebody you respect and you know want to get a good grade from.

Speaker 13 It's not so much later where you get exposed to other things and you realize, holy shit, that was a manipulation. So all of this, I just think women can avoid a lot of this.

Speaker 13 And again, it's not to say everybody needs to work, but women who are bored are dangerous.

Speaker 17 Okay.

Speaker 13 There you go. Okay, let's keep going.
Women who are bored may be interested in this next story because they were manipulated, as were men. We were told during the COVID vaccine

Speaker 13 mania,

Speaker 13 and I believe that you were very attuned to this. I think you,

Speaker 13 I don't know why, I think you have a lot of nicer.

Speaker 13 Yeah.

Speaker 13 But an extraordinary piece of reporting has just come out about the COVID vaccine trials. and children.

Speaker 13 Alex Berenson reported this, and I have been reliably informed that we are fine to go with this reporting and that this will be borne out in the coming days.

Speaker 13 His headline is, and it was an exclusive to him, the FDA may add a strict black box warning on the mRNA COVID shots for kids and teens,

Speaker 13 millions of whom have already been given this thing, a black box warning.

Speaker 13 He reports the FDA may soon place this warning on the vaccines to alert physicians and parents of their link to childhood deaths. This is the strictest an agency can impose, this kind of warning.

Speaker 13 It's generally the last step they take before forcing a manufacturer to stop selling it. They're also considering

Speaker 13 an alternative, forcing Moderna and Pfizer to stop selling them to kids and teens, period.

Speaker 13 The potential move, he reports, follows the FDA's report on Friday that its reviewers had found COVID mRNA jabs killed at least 10 children and adolescents and likely many more. more.

Speaker 13 He said they'd asked the FDA for comment, waiting to hear back. My sources tell me this is safe reporting.

Speaker 13 This actually is under consideration and we're going to hear a report confirming this within days from the highest levels. This is an outrage, Shamath.
This was forced on us.

Speaker 13 Every school, including my own, they were expelling boys who would not take the vaccine once they hit 16 and so on.

Speaker 13 This is downright dangerous, and it was sold to us by the Fauci, Biden, Collins administration under Joe Biden that refused to consider actual scientists like Vinay Prasad who led this, he's leading this within FDA, who was an independent physician at John Hopkins at the time.

Speaker 13 And he was saying this at the time, saying these vaccines are causing deadly myocarditis in kids and teens. And he was scoffed at.
He was marginalized like so many others.

Speaker 13 and tried to dismiss as fringe. And now, thank God, under Trump and Marty McCary, he's been elevated to an important position.
Your thoughts on it.

Speaker 16 COVID is probably the most important historical moment of the last 50 years for the world.

Speaker 16 And

Speaker 16 it needs to be understood, I think,

Speaker 16 in three really important and critical things for the success and the future of the United States.

Speaker 16 The first is that we did not allow

Speaker 16 robust thinking and dissenting voices during that period.

Speaker 16 All the way up to being able to call places like Facebook and places like Twitter and telling them, places like Google and telling them, take this down or, you know, do put a warning on this, deboost that.

Speaker 16 You know, that's the effective equivalent of a black box label for content.

Speaker 16 If you're not going to create even reasonable disclaimers and just suppress information, what the average person will do is come to a conclusion based on what is available to them.

Speaker 16 But if what is available to them is a small sliver of the total groupthink or of the total thought, you're going to get very narrow opinions.

Speaker 16 And it allowed a small group of people to control the narrative and then to make decisions. That is extremely dangerous in a democracy.

Speaker 16 So that's the first thing that we learned in COVID that has to change. So within that, I think we have to go and uncover all of the true underlying medical research and put it out into the light.

Speaker 16 You know, the Great Barrington Declaration that Jay Bhattacharya wrote caused them to essentially get defenestrated from Stanford. And yet he turned out to be right as well.

Speaker 16 There are umpteen examples where very credible scientists were saying, let's just slow down here and think about this. And they were not allowed to say that.

Speaker 16 And they were, and that content was essentially suppressed. So rational, independent thinking people like you and me and your listeners could not come to our own conclusion.
So that's number one.

Speaker 16 The second thing is that what we learned in COVID is, hold on a second, this globalist monoculture has made us super fragile.

Speaker 16 If somebody in some remote part of the world decides that they don't like what we're doing or saying, they can shut things off.

Speaker 16 And all of a sudden, these supply chains go dark and our entire economy folds in on itself.

Speaker 16 That cannot be how a robust, resilient country like the United States thrives for the next 250 years, like we have in the last 250. So that was the second big thing.

Speaker 16 And then the third thing, which we still are not putting our finger on, is we have had a huge setback to kids. It created an enormous deficit from learning and from socialization.

Speaker 16 And I can speak personally about this myself.

Speaker 16 With five kids all sheltering in place for that period of time, when I look at the impacts, it's the children at that age that were six, seven, and eight, who are today 11, 12, 13, and 14, of which I have one, two actually.

Speaker 16 My gosh, they really took a step backwards in their ability to learn, in their ability to engage.

Speaker 16 And I don't think we're doing the best for these children who are the future of our country in the next 20 or 30 years. So those three things in COVID, frankly, caused me extreme frustration.

Speaker 16 The lack of free speech and democracy, the lack of resiliency in the United States economy that we had created because we just outsourced everything to Davos and their ilk, and then the impact of our kids that we are still not addressing.

Speaker 16 I think that all of that needs to get put on display, and we need to be extremely honest about it.

Speaker 16 The problem that Biden did at the end, which I thought was extremely offensive, was by pre-pardoning all these folks.

Speaker 16 We essentially allow this get out of jail free card where you can't even interrogate the truth. So you can't even have an accounting for the future.

Speaker 16 You know, look, we have had huge mistakes in the past in the United States, but we've been able to have commissions. Those commissions can at a minimum write reports.

Speaker 16 Those reports can then be taken by think tanks. We may not agree with this process, but at least at a minimum, there is a way for good, sensible policy to then enter the water table.

Speaker 16 None of that will be possible here because so much of it is suppressed or because we've already taken all of this stuff off the table, we can never even ask the questions. That is really wrong.

Speaker 13 Here's the other problem. The media.

Speaker 13 They were totally complicit. Totally complicit.
Totally complicit. Right? Totally complicit.
They went along with it.

Speaker 13 Not everyone.

Speaker 13 I mean, independent media in our lane, Allen and Yuris Trulli and Tucker and many others were speaking up against the lies that we were being told, in particular when it came to children.

Speaker 13 But let me just give you one example. All right.

Speaker 13 When this was happening, I was listening to Dr. Vinay Prasad.

Speaker 13 I had had never heard of him, but I was very attuned, thanks to Brett Weinstein and many others I do listen to, that there was a problem with these COVID vaccines, especially when it came to kids.

Speaker 13 And it led me to Dr. Vinay Prasad.
I listened to his podcast all the time, and he was, he's a doctor, and he was talking real truths about the COVID vaccines and about myocarditis and pericarditis.

Speaker 13 in particular in teenage boys, but teenage girls too, and in kids. And now he's at FDA and now Alex Berenson reporting, again, we expect this to break from the highest level soon, reporting that Dr.

Speaker 13 Vinay Prasad wrote a six-page note to staffers saying the real number of children and teenagers killed by the mRNA vaccines is likely much higher than 10 children.

Speaker 13 After looking at 96 deaths of kids aged 7 to 16, FDA reviewers found 10, quote, died after and because of receiving the COVID-19 vaccination, but that depends on voluntary reporting and is almost certainly a significant underestimate, Prasad wrote.

Speaker 13 In addition, the FDA reviewers excluded cases where records were ambiguous. And Berenson reports that one of these children died during the Moderna vaccine trial.

Speaker 13 And what they did with that kid was just to exclude him. They excluded him.
We covered a case like this where we had on a guy who was vaccine injured. He was a biker, a mountain biker.

Speaker 13 He was vaccine injured during the whole process, and they excluded him from the trial. Or was it him and his wife or his wife? I had two on.
In any event, they just rode him out of the trial.

Speaker 13 So they didn't have to count him.

Speaker 13 So this is what was being done. And then those vaccines were made mandatory for our children.
I want to say one note to scared parents right now.

Speaker 13 The information seems to be that, God forbid this thing were going to cause a death. It would have happened.
Like it wouldn't be now four years later.

Speaker 13 Like you don't, yes, of course, get your child checked for sure. You should, like, if for sure, I'd be having my kid checked if they had a vaccine.
But even without the vaccine, if they had COVID,

Speaker 13 get an EKG, get an echocardiogram that's actually not too expensive. You can get your doctor to order it

Speaker 13 and just check out their heart. That's all you need to do.
But the real danger period is right after you get the vaccine. So don't worry if your child had the vaccine and is still fine.

Speaker 13 You likely avoided it.

Speaker 13 It doesn't scare people. Go ahead.

Speaker 16 The one one great thing is, you know, I know Marty and I know Bobby and Jay. These are three

Speaker 16 exceptional Americans and they are bulldogs for the truth. And so I suspect that if this comes to pass and there is a black box label, it's because they've done some pretty thoughtful

Speaker 16 research and they've rerun the data and they've, you know, included.

Speaker 16 The thing is that, you know, you can exclude data, but that data is written down somewhere.

Speaker 16 So to the extent that they got their hands on this and was able to see it and they decide that the black box label is the right way to go,

Speaker 16 I really trust those three to do the right thing.

Speaker 16 The other thing that I'll say is that

Speaker 16 it would be really incredible over time

Speaker 16 where

Speaker 16 we can release some of this data in an anonymized way so that some of these new AI models could rerun some of these statistical analyses just to make sure that all the math was was right.

Speaker 16 I think that's probably something that should happen anyways, you know, that's something that the FDA could do in partnership with Google and Anthropic and OpenAI and Grok, as an example.

Speaker 16 But I think it would give people a lot more

Speaker 16 certainty that the math and the analysis and the conclusions are defensible, not just in the eyes of the companies who have an economic incentive to get to a yes,

Speaker 16 but

Speaker 16 AI models who are trained trained to just be extremely truthful. And I think that that could be a very helpful new tool in the arsenal

Speaker 16 of how we as a community, like let's be honest, Megan, I mean, you and I have both been prescribed drugs. It's really hard to understand what's going on.

Speaker 16 And, you know, I've just assumed that everything is done correctly. I remember that when I once said on the all-in podcast,

Speaker 16 Are you allowed to call something a vaccine that is 30 or 40% efficacious?

Speaker 16 That's when I got some of the most severe pushback ever just to even ask that question.

Speaker 16 You know, because when I think vaccine, when I get a vaccine, I'm protected for life. That's what I, that's what I just kind of assumed.

Speaker 16 And so when I give my kids vaccines, that's what I'm thinking as well. But if I'm taking something that's 30 or 40 percent efficacious, it doesn't seem like a vaccine.

Speaker 16 It seems like a best efforts attempt.

Speaker 16 You know, and that's when like, you know, at some point I stopped taking the flu vaccine because of that, because it's, it's not really a vaccine.

Speaker 16 It's my doctor tells me yeah 30 or 40 percent of the time it'll help you 60 of the time you're on your own um and i wasn't even allowed to ask that question on air yep well so the media thing

Speaker 13 back in

Speaker 13 it was october 19th 2022 just to walk down memory lane and i'd been listening to vinay and others and i tweeted out the following because they were the cdc had just added the COVID vaccine to its list of mandatory or you know recommended school vaccinations.

Speaker 13 And I tweeted out the following. A scary number of kids are dying after taking the COVID vax from myocarditis, among other injuries.
How dare the CDC add this to its list of school vaccinations?

Speaker 13 Don't listen. Be very careful with your teenage boys in particular, but girls too.
These are not honest brokers. This is dangerous.

Speaker 13 With an exclamation point, the shitstorm that rained down upon me was massive. and ongoing.
I'll just give you a couple.

Speaker 13 The Daily Beast, which is literally wrong about everything all the time, tweeted out, Megan Kelly's anti-vax lies are a threat to public health. Daily Beast, you fucking got kids killed.

Speaker 13 You got kids killed. I saved lives.
This show saved lives without question.

Speaker 13 The Hill, Megan Kelly faces a backlash of a COVID tweet. It went on and on.
Kara Swisher, Silicon Valley, speaking of Silicon Valley,

Speaker 13 this was the issue.

Speaker 13 Not long after this,

Speaker 13 literally two days after this, Vinay, I mean,

Speaker 13 Vinay Prasad I'd been listening to, literally two days after this, my sister died,

Speaker 13 not of COVID.

Speaker 13 It was a long story, but she died. And I was supposed to do Karis Wisher's podcast and I had to cancel.
So my assistant texted her saying she has a family emergency. She didn't give up the farm.

Speaker 13 And Karis Wisher wrote back, oh, I'm sure it's a family emergency and not just she's afraid to come on now, given the storm around her stupid COVID tweets. I'm really sure.
And

Speaker 13 Abby was like too polite to just shove it down her throat and say, actually, her sister's dead.

Speaker 13 And by the way, when she found out she wasn't apologetic,

Speaker 13 she didn't say, oh my God, I'm such an asshole. Sorry for being such a jerk.
Anyway,

Speaker 13 that's what was happening. That was the reaction to that, Jamath.

Speaker 13 It's a huge storm around me telling the truth.

Speaker 13 And I did a whole talking points memo on it the very next day, a whole talking point, giving me examples of what I was talking about, kids who were dying from this.

Speaker 13 And now we have the FDA finally coming out out about to put a black box warning on this thing, saying it was all true.

Speaker 13 Where's the media accountability? Where's the apology from The Hill, The Daily Beast, from Kara Swisher?

Speaker 13 Why won't any of the dishonest brokers come out and say, we're sorry?

Speaker 16 I think that what has to happen

Speaker 16 are a couple of really important things. The first is that places like you,

Speaker 16 places like All In,

Speaker 16 whoever is willing to just independently call balls and strikes,

Speaker 16 we have to find a way of growing and thriving. And I think that while we're doing a good job, I think it's still very fragile for independent media.

Speaker 16 We're still reliant on large distribution channels like Facebook and Instagram and TikTok and Google and X.

Speaker 16 And at any point, if those fall into the wrong hands or we go back to repressive or regressive regimes around free speech, the ability to talk about an issue

Speaker 16 from all angles will disappear. That's what we can fix, which is we have to become economically viable to be independent forever.

Speaker 16 So that even if all of those places at some point say, hey, you know what? I don't like what you're saying.

Speaker 16 You can somehow get access to satellite internet and start broadcasting your own thoughts independent of everybody else. Now, what does that require?

Speaker 16 I think what that requires is extreme privacy and a monetary system that can be shielded.

Speaker 16 Now, that's a risk today because I think there's still a lot of ways in which

Speaker 16 wrongthink can be punished. And wrongthink ebbs and flows depending on who you are.
Like, you know, the European government of wrongthink is very different than what,

Speaker 16 right?

Speaker 13 And so, so, and we've seen this, by the way, we've seen it. You guys get, you, you get suppressed.
Your videos get suppressed.

Speaker 13 They don't, they get lower circulation if you, if you have wrongthink in them. And in my case, you know, you know, the green videos from our summit.

Speaker 13 I get ultimately savaged by the media for something else. They make up some fake controversy to try to diminish my voice because they recognize I'm a threat.
Keep going.

Speaker 16 Look at my, look at one of my best friends and, you know, my bestie on the pod, David Sachs. Look at this weekend, this huge trash burger that was written by the New York Times, complete garbage.

Speaker 16 Now, and frankly,

Speaker 16 I talked to David along the way over these months, just seeing how he was dealing with it. And

Speaker 16 I was so shocked at how patient he was and how forthright he was, because he was like, there's nothing to see here. And it was five people over five months trying to dig something up.

Speaker 16 And ultimately, when they found nothing,

Speaker 16 They tried to write the most hurtful headline, probably with the presumption that maybe most people will just read the headline and move move on and we will inflict the damage we want to see in what is an incredible American.

Speaker 16 And I think that the reason why that happens is because they still have an economic leg to stand on.

Speaker 16 And the faster that the rest of us become economically independent and self-assured, now we can really compete with those folks.

Speaker 16 And all of these people that malign you or try to suppress us have a much harder time doing it. and then let people come to their own conclusion.
They can listen to us and turn it off.

Speaker 16 They can go and listen to something else. I'm completely fine with that in the free market of ideas.
Not everything we say is going to be right.

Speaker 16 But we're going to get stuff more right than wrong most of the time for most people so that they're like, at least I'll have it in my diet. And I think the same applies to you.

Speaker 16 I think the same applies to a handful of other folks. But that's what we need to do.

Speaker 16 The second thing we need to do is you cannot allow one small cabal of people to control the economic parameters of the United States. That can't happen.

Speaker 16 And when we outsourced everything to one country and we outsourced all the decision-making to a confab in Switzerland once a year, we just completely stop thinking for ourselves and we can't do that anymore.

Speaker 16 And I think the good, the best thing about the Trump administration is they don't have any tolerance for that.

Speaker 13 No, none whatsoever. Jamath, we got to go because I'm up against a heartbreak.
Love talking to you. Please come back soon.

Speaker 16 Great to see you. Happy holidays.
You too.

Speaker 13 Good luck to your family. Hope everybody heals up.
We'll be right back.

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Speaker 13 Speaking of this show getting it right, no matter how many hits in the media we take, Fannie Willis is the first topic of today's Kelly's court.

Speaker 13 While many of us were enjoying the Thanksgiving holiday, a judge in Georgia officially ended the election interference case against Donald Trump brought by Fulton County DA Fannie Willis in 2023.

Speaker 13 It was this case that brought us the infamous mugshot that Mr. Trump ended up using on campaign merchandise and that now hangs at the White House.
Many in legacy media fawned over Fawnee and her case.

Speaker 13 Harvard law professor Lawrence Tribe once wrote for The Atlantic, Willis's determination to deliver on her responsibility to the rule of law exemplifies a civil servant doing her duty without fear or favor.

Speaker 13 Oh my God.

Speaker 13 Former prosecutor Joyce Vance told MSNBC: the prosecution looks like a slam dunk.

Speaker 13 But then, good old Fanny blew up the entire case because she couldn't keep it in her pants.

Speaker 13 It was discovered she had a romantic relationship with the special prosecutor who she hired to lead the case. That news hit the night of January 8th, 2024, and within hours, this show called it.

Speaker 13 Sorry, but we were the truth tellers. We knew Fannie Willis was in trouble, and we owned the coverage as it fell apart over the next several months.
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Speaker 13 I have so much to tell you about today, and the lead story is unbelievable. Why is it not everywhere? The case against Trump in Georgia.

Speaker 13 I'm not sure the case itself is going to go away, but the prosecutor might be. Some people might be saying, so they're having an affair.
Who cares? You don't understand.

Speaker 13 The law puts extraordinarily high ethical burdens on prosecutors. Given the power they have, it can't even have the stank of impropriety.
Fanny, you're in trouble.

Speaker 13 I really don't see a way in which Fannie Willis stays. I don't know that the whole case goes away, but I think she's going to go away.

Speaker 17 We all know that Fannie Willis is toast. This is going to get a lot worse for old Fannie and Nathan Wade before it gets better.

Speaker 18 There have been massive and explosive developments in the Fannie Willis case. She's picking up the documents.
It's a lie. It's a lie.

Speaker 13 No, no, no, no. This is the truth, Judge.

Speaker 13 It is a lie. It is a lie.

Speaker 17 Anytime she gets caught in a lie, she lashes out.

Speaker 13 We have gotten our hands on the text.

Speaker 17 These text messages show that Fonnie Willis and Nathan Wade did in fact have a romantic affair. When you put it together, it's probably lights out for Fonnie Willis and her prosecution team.

Speaker 13 The folks over at the New York Times are absolutely flabbergasted. Who even knew that this could potentially be a thing?

Speaker 13 The feeling that a lot of people had when this motion was filed was that it was kind of a hailmary, right? And there was not much evidence that it was necessarily even true.

Speaker 13 Actually, just fact-check for you, New York Times. Some of us knew exactly what to make of it.
If you just have an open mind when it comes to anything involving Donald Trump, Christmas came early.

Speaker 13 It finally happened. A Georgia appeals court has officially disqualified her from the Trump election interference case.
She's gone. She's done.
It's over for her and her entire office.

Speaker 13 And it's official. Another nail-in-the-lawfare coffin against now President-elect Donald Trump.

Speaker 13 Wow. What a walk down memory lane.

Speaker 13 Joining me now, two of the lawyers who helped walk us through the case falling apart with honest on-point analysis, Phil Holloway and Dave Ehrenberg, who are both now contributors to the MK True Crime channel.

Speaker 13 That's its own podcast. If you haven't subscribed, go to wherever you get your podcast.
Type in MK True Crime and hit subscribe.

Speaker 13 We've got a couple of week offerings on true crime around the country, and it's a great show. It's doing really well.
Phil, Dave, welcome back.

Speaker 13 Phil, congrats on having that one right from the beginning. Dave, we still love you.

Speaker 17 Thank you.

Speaker 17 It took me a while. Dave was ever on the other side of that.
I thought it was sort of unanimous that we all kind of knew she was going to be gone.

Speaker 13 He would be devil's advocate, I'll say. He was devil's advocate.

Speaker 13 It took me a while to.

Speaker 18 You know, at the beginning, Megan, you're right.

Speaker 18 You're right to call me out because I thought, like others did on my side of the aisle, that, well, you know, there may be some issues here, but the underlying case is strong. It won't affect it.

Speaker 18 And then as more evidence came out of this and possible lying in court, I was like, yeah, this is going to jeopardize this whole thing.

Speaker 18 Although I did correctly predict that the judge would remove Nathan Wade rather than Fonnie Willis.

Speaker 13 Yep. And then, but then eventually she went and the whole case went.
And what a remarkable ending, Phil. You know, it's like, it's fun to walk back to like how this all went down, January.

Speaker 13 In fact, most of those clips for the listening audience were all from January, February, 2004, leading up to that announcement at the end, December of 2004. Sorry, 24, 2024,

Speaker 13 that she'd been disqualified. And, you know, she, no one believed it was going to happen.

Speaker 13 I love that New York Times, the daily clip where they're like, it was obviously a long shot, you know, Hail Mary by this weirdo Ashley Merchant. Like, this isn't going anywhere.

Speaker 13 Everyone can see it's not going anywhere, but I guess we'll have to entertain it a little.

Speaker 17 Yeah, so I go back to, I remember like the whole thing, obviously, but going back to, let's say, the day or the evening, I guess, of the grand jury indictment, I actually was out doing a live remote with Fox News in front of the Fulton County courthouse.

Speaker 17 And, you know, she comes out, Fannie Wills does, and she has this press conference and she's in front of this giant podium. And next to her is, among other people, Nathan Wade.

Speaker 17 And I remember thinking to myself, what in the world is going on here? Right.

Speaker 17 Because I knew, like, I knew the guy. I knew there was something going on.

Speaker 17 I mean, it was kind of like one of these things that in my legal community, everybody sort of knew that these two like were some kind of an item.

Speaker 17 And so right then on the spot, it occurred to me, I'm like, this is going to be a problem.

Speaker 17 And then, of course, fast forward to the motion being filed and the other revelations that came out through that motion and then the testimony and the things we've learned subsequently.

Speaker 17 uh it's just really remarkable to think back and think about all the different gyrations this case has has gone through but i i kind of suspected the moment of the indictment that this was going to be a problem.

Speaker 13 It's crazy.

Speaker 13 Like Ashley Merchant, who's also part of MK True Crime, smelled a rat and she continued to follow that lead that they were allegedly having an affair while he was married and he was working for her on the taxpayer dime and was like a dog with a bone on that story.

Speaker 13 She would not let it go.

Speaker 13 And it ultimately got something.

Speaker 17 Sorry, Dennis, I forgot to say, you showed a picture just a moment ago of her, Fannie Willis, out with Nathan at that press conference.

Speaker 17 Look, a confidential source whose name is Ashley Merchant tells me that that giant podium there was something that she rented.

Speaker 17 uh especially for this occasion and continued to rent it uh thereafter until eventually one was purchased and also that giant seal that says district attorney on it that was something that was also as i understand was sort of custom made for the occasion So the whole thing just reeked with theatrics from the beginning.

Speaker 13 That's a great tidbit. Wow, the vanity.
I'm sure you did that too when you were Palm Beach DA, Dave Ehrenberg. Did you forget to do that for yourself, that self-aggrandizement?

Speaker 18 No, no, no. I used whatever furniture was there from my predecessor like 10 years prior.

Speaker 13 So, no.

Speaker 13 So, what do you make of this, Dave? So, the official news is that... The whole case is now gone because they did appoint a subsequent prosecutor.

Speaker 13 Well, it was basically this group, the Prosecuting Attorney's Counsel of Georgia, which Phil told us was exactly who it would go to.

Speaker 13 It's a nonpartisan group to figure out whether there's another prosecutor who wants to take this case. And lo and behold, the guy who took it, prosecutor Peter Scandalakis,

Speaker 13 noticed, notified the judge, Scott McAfee, who he followed a lot when he did that DQ hearing. He said, we're not going to go forward with this judge.

Speaker 13 And now, as a result of the judge saying, okay, it's out. Like, all these defendants, it's over, right? Like,

Speaker 13 it can't be re-broken, is it is it done with prejudice like can they re-file against trump and these other defendants and also my other question is what happens to the people who copped pleas like sydney powell jenna ellis and others theoretically

Speaker 18 oh i'm sorry oh david well actually uh well let me take that last part phil and you could take the other part that last part i have some experience with because it's up to the prosecutor.

Speaker 18 The prosecutor could go back and say, you took a plea. I'm now undoing the plea deal.

Speaker 18 Remember the Robert Kraft case i had that case in palm beach county well he fought those charges yeah yes yes and he fought those charges we got plea deals from all these other guys in advance and after craft was able to win on appeal and the judges said they threw out all the video and we said okay enough we don't we can't pursue the case we went back and then we undid the plea deals with all the other defendants saying you guys pled early you did the right thing and we're going to undo the the prosecutions, dismiss everything, because you shouldn't be penalized for copying the plea deal early on, accepting responsibility.

Speaker 18 And so it's up to the prosecutor here to say, you guys accept responsibility. Why should we punish you from doing, in the prosecutor's mind, the right thing early on? So it's up to them.

Speaker 18 But otherwise, those plea deals stay. They remain.
And I believe they can still go after the other co-defendants. I believe this.

Speaker 18 ruling only pertains to Trump and they will not be able to file it again against Trump. And I would also defer to Phil because he knows Georgia law better than I do.

Speaker 17 Well, so this is called a null process. That's Latin for dismissal.
And it applies to every remaining defendant who did not take a plea deal.

Speaker 17 So all the cases are officially dismissed, not just Trump, all of them. Theoretically, in Georgia, after this null process or this type of dismissal,

Speaker 17 and a charge can be rebrought within six months.

Speaker 17 However, As we now have seen, there's no other prosecutor in the state of Georgia that's able or willing to take the the case, according to the prosecuting attorney's counsel.

Speaker 17 Let me just say, Pete Scandilakis is somebody I've known professionally for many, many years.

Speaker 17 He is, I would say, politically a moderate,

Speaker 17 but he is always, he's always struck me as a straight shooter, right? He calls it as he sees it. And he wrote a rather long opinion that he filed with this dismissal that explained his reasoning.

Speaker 17 But at the end of the day, it's just a matter of, look, he thinks this thing needs some finality. There's no other prosecutor that wants to take it.

Speaker 17 It's not feasible for the PAC to do it, even though they can. So no other prosecutor is able to do it.
No other prosecutor can do it. He's not going to appoint another prosecutor.

Speaker 17 He's already made his decision. So that six month is just a hypothetical.
It's over. It's not coming back.
There will be no re-indictment of this case by any prosecutor.

Speaker 17 As far as the ones that have pled guilty,

Speaker 17 you know, a card laid is a card played, kind of like as Dave was describing.

Speaker 17 And if there there were a prosecutor on the case who were willing to go back and somehow undo these things, that might be a possibility. But in Georgia, there are very strict time limits.

Speaker 17 Those time limits have long since passed.

Speaker 17 Some of them have actually, I know of at least one, maybe two that have actually tried to withdraw the plea and the trial judge has denied it, according to Georgia law. And he was right to do that.

Speaker 17 But I think that those people will forever remain, you know, either convicted or perhaps they'll get their first offending discharge.

Speaker 13 Yeah. You're convicted.
A plea is a conviction of whatever they pled to, a misdemeanor or felony. I don't, I didn't go through them all.

Speaker 13 Sidney Powell, Jenna Ellis, Kenneth Chesbrough, and Scott Hall, all of whom decided to cut deals to lesser charges. That's really unfortunate for them.

Speaker 13 They should have put their faith in Ashley Merchant, but who knew? She represented

Speaker 13 one of the defendants, not even Trump, but she was a local lawyer who knew the local courts, the local players, and knew Fanny Willis a little too well for Fanny Stace. Fanny, a man is not a plan.

Speaker 13 And you chose the wrong man to lay down with. You got the fleas, and now everyone's free.

Speaker 13 Okay, let's keep going because there's a couple of other interesting cases in the news today, which is why we brought you on.

Speaker 13 The January 6th pipe bomber. So this has gotten a fair amount of coverage, but not as much because it happened right before Jay 6th.

Speaker 13 It actually happened on Jay 5th, I think is when the bombs were planted.

Speaker 13 And

Speaker 13 there was a very explosive, pardon the pun, report in the Blaze recently on this case,

Speaker 13 which does not seem to have held up. And so the question to you guys is whether the Blaze is about to be hit with a massive defamation lawsuit.
Here are the facts as we know them. The

Speaker 13 pipe bombs, okay, the FBI said an unknown subject placed pipe bombs under a park bench at the DNC and the Capitol Hill Club near the RNC building between 7:54 and 8.16 p.m.

Speaker 13 the night before January 6th. So, January 5th.

Speaker 13 Discovery of the devices between 12:40 and 1.05 p.m., respectively, the next day on Jay 6th, drew already depleted police resources away from the Capitol.

Speaker 13 The FBI released the first photo of the pipe bomber on January 7th. So they do have a picture of this person on surveillance cam, offering a $5,000 reward.
It later upped the reward to $500,000.

Speaker 13 The description of the person is 5'7 with a face mask, gray hooded sweatshirt, dark pants, gloves, distinctive black and light gray Nike Air Max speed turf shoes.

Speaker 13 The pipe bomber sits on the DNC bench first, then walks away for several minutes, then walks back and plants the bomb, does another several loops near the RNC and is believed to have then planted the bombs there.

Speaker 13 Here we're showing for the listening audience, screen grabs of the same person with what we now know are bombs in a bag. Very clear visuals from a ring camera in the alley near the RNC can be seen.

Speaker 13 Now the blaze just like two weeks ago, if yeah, right around there.

Speaker 13 With this big report, it was November 8th by Steve Baker and Joseph Hanneman. A forensic analysis of a female former U.S.

Speaker 13 Capitol police officer's gate, G-A-I-T, meaning the way one walks, is a 94 to 98%

Speaker 13 match to the unique stride of the long-sought J-6 pipe bomb suspect, according to a Blaze News investigation confirmed, they say, by several intelligence sources.

Speaker 13 A source close to a congressional investigation of J-6 additionally told Blaze News evidence has emerged recently that pointed toward law enforcement possibly being involved in the planning of the pipe bombs.

Speaker 13 A software algorithm that analyzes walking parameters, including flexion, hip extension, speed, step length, cadence, and variance, rated, and I'm going to skip her name since we now have serious reason to believe she did not do it, of Alexandria, Virginia, a 94% match to the bomb suspect shown on video from January 5th, 2021.

Speaker 13 Now

Speaker 13 they name her, they go through

Speaker 13 that how she broke her leg once, and that's why they think her gait is off, as they believe is true of the J6 pipe bomber.

Speaker 13 And yet, what we know now is that CBS News reporting, she has an alibi, guys.

Speaker 13 That this woman they named has an alibi showing herself on video with her puppies during exactly the time of the pipe bombs being

Speaker 13 planted.

Speaker 13 And the Blaze has not taken down its article, remains online, but they've added the following updates. One,

Speaker 13 they point out that an attorney for the woman told the Washington Post that she categorically denies that she planted the pipe bombs. Two,

Speaker 13 they point out the CBS News report from November 25th that the FBI has ruled out this person as having any involvement in the pipe bomb plot citing three sources who are not identified and three

Speaker 13 they say according to CBS the suspect was cleared after establishing an alibi Blaze News repeatedly requested such evidence from the FBI

Speaker 13 the FBI apparently did not provide that So the Blaze is sort of, Glenn Beck went on the air. He would not name this person, saying,

Speaker 13 you know, I don't know, he wasn't comfortable naming her, but the Blaze did name her.

Speaker 13 So this is like every reporter's worst nightmare, that you go out on a limb with something this incendiary, which is why most of us would not go out on the air with something this incendiary unless we had it, you know, dead to rights.

Speaker 13 And now the woman's saying she has an alibi. And you tell me, Phil Houston, whether a big old defamation lawsuit is coming.

Speaker 17 Yeah, it very well could be. You know, and I'm, look, you're the journalist of the three of us.

Speaker 17 I am not a journalist.

Speaker 17 I'm simply a lawyer, but I know that there are things called like junk science, for example, that get

Speaker 17 a lot of people convicted wrongly in America. And so I know that it's very dangerous to use junk science in a courtroom.

Speaker 17 So it stands to reason that it would be dangerous to use junk science to name someone as the perpetrator of a crime in a media report. You know, this gate analysis,

Speaker 17 it hasn't yet met the standard in the United States. We would call that the Daubert standard.
It's the standard for the admissibility of scientific evidence. But this stuff has a very high,

Speaker 17 you know, I guess, failure rate, upwards of 30% in real world settings. And so you've got variables such as lighting.

Speaker 17 You've got temporary conditions like someone might be injured for the moment, but then they walk a different way later.

Speaker 17 There's subjective pieces of it that can change from one person to the next making this comparison. And we don't know what kind of source code goes into this

Speaker 17 software that was used. And so it's the kind of thing that, you know, if you're law enforcement and you want to use this as maybe a tool that might make a suggestion as who you might want to look at.

Speaker 17 And then you'd have to confirm it and verify it through some other type of corroborative evidence.

Speaker 17 But to use this exclusively to name a suspect seems extremely reckless, in my opinion, something I would not do.

Speaker 17 And if I were a lawyer representing a media company, I would definitely say do not do it because the risk of defamation is extremely high.

Speaker 13 Same. Sorry I called you Phil Houston.
That's my CIA spy-the-lie guy, but you're both in the business of truth detection, Phil Holloway. Similar, same initials.

Speaker 13 Dave, what do you make of it?

Speaker 18 You remember the name Richard Jewell?

Speaker 13 Yeah. Yeah.
He was.

Speaker 18 Yeah, he was the security officer who was blamed for the Olympic Park bombing, and it was false.

Speaker 13 And most people think he still did it. Most people still think he did that.
Keep going. Right.

Speaker 18 No, and that's the problem here. The Blaze could have retracted it and mitigated their damages, but they didn't.
They're explaining it away.

Speaker 18 And that opens them up to punitives because we know now that this is not the person who did it. And they're still going with the story, although presenting, you know, both sides of it.

Speaker 18 Here's the issue. She's not a public figure.
So it's a much lower burden to prove defamation.

Speaker 18 And here you had this, the Blaze relying on an unverified draft memo that came from Tulsi Gabbert's department, along with disputed software, which Phil correctly mentioned.

Speaker 18 And the fact is that the FBI never charged her. If the FBI had charged her, it'd be a different story.
So you have all this stuff that leads to a potentially massive defamation lawsuit.

Speaker 18 And I don't know why the Blaze would continue to go with this story

Speaker 18 because now, in doing so, it's now opening themselves up to punitive damages. It just just keeps getting worse for them.

Speaker 13 Well, I think I love the guys at the plays, and I know them to be honest reporters. I think if this is wrong, it's an honest mistake.

Speaker 13 But I'm going to guess, Phil, without knowing, the only reason they would leave this up is they still believe it.

Speaker 13 That they, you know, that we say it's an alibi video, but they're saying it hasn't been provided to them by the FBI.

Speaker 13 Maybe they're not comfortable with CBS's reporting that it's a legit video, the timestamp of which is legit. You know what I mean? Like they haven't seen it themselves.
And they didn't make it up.

Speaker 13 You mentioned the Tulsi memo, which is, I guess, important to how they got here.

Speaker 13 And that was, as I understand it, somebody in the DNI's office, Tulsi's office, generated some memo because someone brought a tip to them is how I understand it went down saying maybe it was this gal.

Speaker 13 And since this gal is still working in the government, they had some sort of an obligation to let her employer know within the government, yo,

Speaker 13 this allegation has come in against your employee. You know, look into it or we're looking into it or the FBI is looking into it just in case.

Speaker 13 Like, if she really were a pipe bomber, it'd be something that they'd want to know. And I think that's what somehow got leaked to the blaze.

Speaker 13 But even Tulsi is now distancing herself from that, saying, I was out of the country when that shit went down. I don't have nothing to do with that.
And I don't like,

Speaker 13 this is very scary to me as a journalist because to me, it feels like they took an unnecessary risk and they're about to get seriously burned.

Speaker 17 Well, yeah, look, if I'm, I'm wondering where the lawyers are in this because the Blaze obviously has counsel, right?

Speaker 17 All media organizations have counsel that this is their job is to make sure that their clients don't get in trouble.

Speaker 17 And, you know, I think that any lawyer would have to say, you need to take this down, issue a retraction, do something. As Dave mentioned, there's a duty to mitigate damages.

Speaker 17 And so I wonder if it's the thing where the client is saying, we're going to leave it up over the objections of our counsel, or maybe the counsel has not, you know, said, take it down.

Speaker 17 I just don't understand why.

Speaker 13 That may be something we don't know. Yeah, exactly.
There may be something that we don't know. And I'll tell you, like, we saw the story because it was everywhere when they first hit it.
And

Speaker 13 we contacted some of our sources in the government and we were told, stay away. Like right away, we were told, don't touch it.
And we did not touch it.

Speaker 13 And so I love the Blaze and

Speaker 13 I hope they do the right thing. And I hope I don't want to see them get sued, but they're going to if this was wrong.
Okay, let's keep going.

Speaker 13 So there's some interesting information coming out now against Jada Pinkett Smith and Will Smith. A big old lawsuit.

Speaker 13 This got like the stench of some of the crazy Diddy lawsuits around it, it, some of which were valid and some of which were insane and completely made up.

Speaker 13 So you guys tell me what you think this one is.

Speaker 13 Okay, this is via the Daily Mail people, TMZ.

Speaker 13 Lots of them are reporting on this.

Speaker 13 There's a man named Bailal Salam who made a cameo appearance in Will Smith's 2000 movie, The Legend of Bagger Vance, who describes himself, this is him saying about himself,

Speaker 13 as a best friend for nearly 40 years of Will Smith. Now, I am being told by a source close to the case, they are not anything close to best friends, nor are they close at all.
Like, they're not close.

Speaker 13 So that this is a glomer.

Speaker 13 But he's filed a lawsuit in Los Angeles Superior Court seeking $3 million.

Speaker 13 And whenever I say $3 million, you guys, I think, okay, did someone break your femur? or your skull?

Speaker 13 You know, do you have permanent brain damage? What is it? No, it's intentional infliction of emotional distress. And whenever I see that claim, I think money grab.

Speaker 13 We need Mark Eiglarsh in his $20 bill like that he likes to hang over the top of the screen and then grab it. It's a money grab.

Speaker 13 Intentional infliction is a bullshit claim in my view and in many courts' view unless it's paired with a serious physical injury. Otherwise, I laugh at those claims.
Sorry, Bailal Salaam.

Speaker 13 I don't mean to prejudge you. Here's the other thing that tells you it's bullshit.

Speaker 13 Do you guys know what the other big problem is with his lawsuit and how it's being handled that tells us it's bullshit?

Speaker 17 Because he's doing it himself. He doesn't have a lawyer.
That's pro se. Any guy, any lawyer with a brain doesn't take this case.

Speaker 13 So he's representing himself. No bueno.
Okay, but let's go through it nonetheless. He spoke to the Daily Mail after filing papers.
He said he is seeking justice.

Speaker 13 For the atrocities committed against him by Will and Jada. Atrocities, I tell you.
He clarified that while the three counts target Jada, he plans to file against Will as well.

Speaker 13 He alleges she,

Speaker 13 let's see, her alleged actions, which include her and her emissaries, included trying to bribe, intimidate, and suppress him.

Speaker 13 He says he suffered damages, the complete derailment of his personal life and career.

Speaker 13 He's suing Jada for intentional infliction because she denied to TMZ that she had ever seen her husband engage in sexual or intimate behavior with men. Now we're getting to it.

Speaker 13 He alleges that Jada confronted him in the lobby of the Regency Calabasas Commons on September 25th, 2021, while he was at a private birthday celebration for Will Smith.

Speaker 13 He alleges Pinkett Smith, Jada, was accompanied by approximately seven members of her entourage during the confrontation.

Speaker 13 He claims that she became verbally aggressive and threatened him by stating that if he continued telling her personal business, that's a quote, he claims, that he would end up missing or catch a bullet.

Speaker 13 He also alleges that she demanded he sign a non-disclosure agreement or else, or else.

Speaker 13 After the alleged incident, Pinkett Smith's team followed him to his car, he claims, while continuing to issue verbal threats. Six months later, he claims there was another

Speaker 13 incident where he refused a request from a mutual friend to assist with crisis management.

Speaker 13 He thought the tasks he was asked to do were illegal. And then he started getting threatened by them, he said.

Speaker 13 And it turns out he was all this while writing a, quote, whistleblower memoir. My note reads, oh Lord,

Speaker 13 alleging that he faced further threats after that was discovered.

Speaker 13 He was supposed to get $500,000 for it. And now those hopes have been destroyed as a result of the pressure by these two.

Speaker 13 Last but not least, before I toss it to you, I'm sorry I have to do it, but I have to do it.

Speaker 13 This plaintiff,

Speaker 13 he

Speaker 13 went on a podcast called Unwind with Tasha Kay.

Speaker 13 And

Speaker 13 in this interview, he alleged something very, very ugly about Will Smith.

Speaker 13 It's very, very graphic. It actually does require a viewer warning.
Please cover the children's ears. Turn down the sound if they're with you in the car, moms and dads.

Speaker 13 But here is what he's saying about Will Smith, which I think now he's claiming Jada denied, thus leading to his emotional distress. Here, watch, hide the kids.

Speaker 13 So, all right, I open the door to Dwayne's dressing room, and that's when I see Dwayne having anal sex with Will.

Speaker 13 Let me process that for a second.

Speaker 21 Who was on top?

Speaker 13 It wasn't a top. There was a couch, and Will was bent over over on the couch and Dwayne was standing up, killing him.
Murder, like murder. It was murder in there.

Speaker 13 Okay.

Speaker 22 What did you do?

Speaker 9 I froze.

Speaker 13 See, I'm not used to seeing. Listen, it's traumatizing.

Speaker 13 I've never seen any, I don't watch gay porn. And I finally said, oh, shit.

Speaker 13 And they turned around and said, close the fucking door, right? So I back out the door.

Speaker 13 Okay, just the final thought. Again, I am told by someone close to the case, this is a total money grab.
This is not a close friend of theirs.

Speaker 13 This guy's been trying to hustle the family for money for years, and that there was never a meeting where Jada or any of her friends confronted or threatened him at all.

Speaker 13 So there are real questions about whether this guy has any credibility, but he's filed a lawsuit and it's getting a fair amount of coverage and attention. What do you make of it, Dave?

Speaker 13 I'll start with you on this one.

Speaker 18 The strongest allegation he has is that Jada threatened him by saying you'll catch a stray bullet.

Speaker 18 But even if that's to be believed, and I don't know if I believe anything this guy says, that allegation is from September 2021.

Speaker 18 That's well beyond the statute limitations for intentional affliction of emotional distress. And this guy would know that if he had actually hired a lawyer.

Speaker 18 But no lawyer would want to file this case because it's based on crazy stuff.

Speaker 18 Like, for example, he says that it's intentional infliction of emotional distress because after she said that to him, he gained 100 pounds. Really? You're going to blame it on that? No doctor's note.

Speaker 18 He just says I gained 100 pounds.

Speaker 13 I'm going to sue my mom for intentional infliction for those middle school years.

Speaker 17 Right, right. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 18 Blame who are you going to blame for like the freshman 15 when you go to college, right? I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's silly.

Speaker 13 I'll also. Sam Adams.

Speaker 13 Right, exactly.

Speaker 18 You know, he's claiming defamation.

Speaker 18 What's a defamation? He said that Jada defamed him by saying she would sue him for the sex comments, but never did. That's not defamation.

Speaker 18 So this is a strategic move to try to get money from Jada and Will Smith and perhaps to win in the court of public opinion. But so far, he's losing badly.

Speaker 13 My feeling, Phil, is that he's banking that they would pay money to avoid that soundbite getting rerun on this show or Entertainment Tonight or TMZ.

Speaker 13 He thinks they have enough money and they care enough about Will's reputation that they would pay to stop the airing of these mirror allegations.

Speaker 13 But these allegations have been out there for years about these two. If they paid off anybody who was like alleging Will was bisexual or gay, whatever, they'd have no money left.
Yeah.

Speaker 17 Well, Will Smith and Jada Smith, they have enough money to hire good lawyers to sue him for defamation and other things. Unlike this guy, who apparently could not find a lawyer to take his case.

Speaker 17 Normally, these things are taken on a contingency basis. So, any lawyer with the brain, for all the reasons Dave laid out, we just would not want to touch this with a 10-foot pole

Speaker 17 because there's not going to be any recovery. Listen to what has to be proven.
And I actually had to go back and look this up to make sure I was remembering this from law school correctly.

Speaker 17 But this intentional infliction of emotional distress requires that someone

Speaker 17 intended the emotional distress and the defendant's actions must go beyond all bounds of decency tolerated by society, often described as shocking or egregious.

Speaker 17 And then in addition to that, the defendant's alleged conduct must be the actual cause of the emotional distress.

Speaker 17 And it's got to be severe emotional distress, not just hurt feelings or anything like that.

Speaker 13 £800 pounds, Phil.

Speaker 17 Oh, you know, look, it's got to be serious and of a nature that no reasonable person could be possibly expected to endure it. Now, um, so the things that have to be proven are a lot.

Speaker 17 And, you know, you're going to have to have some really solid evidence, not to mention the fact that the claim is stale, it's old, but you got to have really solid evidence.

Speaker 17 And I'm sorry, but if you gained 100 pounds, it's going to be very difficult to try to, you know, pinpoint how that happened. Very easy.
Not to mention.

Speaker 13 The next lawsuit I have it on good authority, is going to be against Aunt Jemima.

Speaker 13 I want to quickly just touch on Luigi Mangioni. We reported the other day on AM update.

Speaker 13 He's been in court this week trying to get the evidence that was found in his backpack, which included his 3D gun, a note that appears to read like a confession,

Speaker 13 thrown out because the cops, when they confronted him in that McDonald's, searched the backpack incident to the arrest. They arrested him.
He hadn't yet been read read his Miranda rights.

Speaker 13 And when they arrested him, then they searched his backpack. But they actually questioned him before reading him as a Miranda.
And he's claiming that it was an invalid search.

Speaker 13 It was illegal under his Fourth Amendment rights because it hadn't been Mirandized. I mean, now this is what you did this, a lot of this stuff for a living, Dave.
Is he on to something?

Speaker 13 How do you think this judge is going to rule?

Speaker 18 The judge is going to reject this request. It's a normal request by defense lawyers to suppress key evidence.
I don't blame his very fine lawyers for trying, but they're not going to win on this.

Speaker 18 There is something called a search incident to arrest, as you mentioned, which is an exception to the warrant rule. When you arrest someone, you can search around them.

Speaker 18 What they're saying is, is that, well, he was handcuffed, so he had no access to his backpack. It shouldn't have been a threat.

Speaker 18 Yeah, but if it's on his or next to his person, they can still search it. Then they say, well, maybe

Speaker 18 it was searched before the arrest. Now, if that's the case, they have a little better argument, but apparently everything I've read said it was searched incident to the arrest as part of the arrest.

Speaker 18 But even if it was searched prior to the arrest, they could get away with it because exigent circumstances, or they have a right to stop and frisk him, and it could relate to the backpack.

Speaker 18 After all, he has been alleged to murder someone and they're on high alert. They don't want this guy to pull out a device, a gun, or have a bomb in his backpack.

Speaker 18 So there are many reasons why you don't need a warrant there. So it's a noble trial by the defense lawyers, but it's not going to work.

Speaker 13 How about all the questioning before they actually read him as Miranda writes, Phil?

Speaker 17 Yeah, this is a common misperception. We all grow up watching crime shows and you see, you know, you got the right to remain silent and all that as soon as the cuffs go on.

Speaker 17 So people assume that you have to read Miranda rights, but otherwise the case gets thrown out. But it's not true.
Miranda only applies to what we call a custodial interrogation.

Speaker 17 So number one, the person's got to be in custody. And two, it's got to be an interrogation, questioning by the police.
Think about every time you get pulled over for speeding.

Speaker 17 The cops can come up to you. They can ask you questions.
Do you know why you, why were you speeding and all this kind of stuff?

Speaker 17 They don't have to read you your rights simply because they are doing an investigative type of stop. So this is much ado about nothing.

Speaker 17 There's nothing wrong with the questions that were asked prior to the handcuffs going on. There's nothing wrong with the search.

Speaker 17 There's nothing wrong with the questioning that was done after the Miranda rights because after all, he committed a state law crime by providing a false name to these officers.

Speaker 17 So I see no problem with it. And like Dave said, defense lawyers, they need to do this.
This is part of being a zealous advocate.

Speaker 17 But just because they raised the claim doesn't mean it's going to be valid. There's all sorts of reasons the judge would deny their claims.

Speaker 17 And even if they did something wrong that Dave and I have missed, there's something in the law known as inevitable discovery.

Speaker 17 An appellate court would say that no matter what, they would have eventually searched this bag and found this stuff as part of the inventory process.

Speaker 17 You've got to inventory some of the things that you're talking about.

Speaker 13 And the inevitable discovery rule was what I argued my,

Speaker 13 they called it senior prize trials in my law school competition that we won

Speaker 13 on inevitable discovery.

Speaker 13 And by the way, they did teach us in criminal procedure, if you ever get arrested and you want to assert your Fifth Amendment rights, which you should to a lawyer, you should say, I assert my Fifth and Sixth Amendment rights to counsel.

Speaker 13 There's a whole reason for doing that in the law. But you should say both, mention both amendments.

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Speaker 13 Earlier this week, I reposted on X a horrifying video of

Speaker 13 she's not my friend, but she's a dear friend of my friend. And she was violently attacked on the streets of New York City in broad daylight.
This is an NYU student named Amelia Lewis.

Speaker 13 She was walking to class around 9.20 in the morning on Monday, just a couple days ago, when a man came up from behind, struck her, and yanked her to the ground by her hair.

Speaker 13 Let me tell you what happened here. My dear friend is the mother of Amelia's best friend at NYU.
And so my friend Nancy texted me the video of Amelia talking about this on TikTok.

Speaker 13 She went on TikTok immediately and was upset. I'm like, what is this? She said, it just happened.
This is outrageous. I'm like, this is outrageous.
I said, is she on X?

Speaker 13 You know,

Speaker 13 I'm not personally on TikTok. Our show is on TikTok, but I'm not personally on there.
And she's like, she's not. I'm like, tell her to get on X.

Speaker 13 So she went over, she created an account on X and tweeted the video. She has a new account.
I retweeted it, calling attention to it, saying we need help identifying this guy.

Speaker 13 And can I tell you what happened? The X Army went to work.

Speaker 13 I tagged the NYPD and the NYPD police chief, and then some other people I know who are very connected to NYPD retweeted it and added other CCs who they knew would pay attention.

Speaker 13 And this thing started to go viral online on Monday. And guess what?

Speaker 13 Police confirmed late yesterday the arrest of 45-year-old James Rizzo, who has been charged with persistent sexual abuse, forcible touching, and assault.

Speaker 13 And now we're learning even more about this guy's deeply disturbing history. 16 prior arrests, a two-year sentence for persistent sexual abuse, and even a 1997 murder charge.

Speaker 13 Amelia Lewis joins me now.

Speaker 13 And also, we've brought in Summer Armstrong, who is my family friend and also her mother's my dear, dear friend, who helped obtain the footage of Amelia's attack, both NYU students.

Speaker 13 And Summer was also assaulted herself in New York last May.

Speaker 13 Gals, welcome to the show. It's great to have you.

Speaker 21 Hi, thank you so much for having us.

Speaker 13 Of course. Oh my God.
I'm like, this is like a horrifying story, but it's also kind of uplifting in its own way. So I'm going to start with you, Amelia.

Speaker 13 What? So you're walking down the street on Monday morning. This is the first day back from Thanksgiving.
You're in a good mood, I assume, as you've been with your family. And how did you experience?

Speaker 13 We'll show the video, but how did you experience this attack?

Speaker 21 Yeah, as you said, it was Monday morning, about 9.20 a.m. I was crossing the street, walking up south of Broadway, right by Waverly Place.

Speaker 21 And in broad daylight, I felt an extremely painful and hard whack to my butt. And then I turned around and was shocked to see a middle-aged man.

Speaker 21 And he proceeded to grab my hair and violently and forcefully throw me to the ground.

Speaker 13 Were you totally shocked? Like you had, did you have any idea you were in danger as you were walking?

Speaker 21 I had no idea.

Speaker 21 As you can see in the clip that you're going to show, he targets me and follows me from behind. So there was this is where I could have seen it.

Speaker 13 Okay, so just for the listening audience, we're seeing a street cam and people are walking. Now here comes Amelia.
She circled. She circled herself helpfully on this video.
She's got her jeans on.

Speaker 13 She's walking. She's got his headphones on.
There's a man coming up. He's running to catch up with her.
He wails her from behind. She turns around in shock and then you can see her go down.

Speaker 13 You see all the, what it's one, two, three, four, five, six women on the sidewalk stunned, stunned at what just happened to you.

Speaker 13 And then like lovely New York women come over to help you, which is sweet. And I understand there was a man who came to help you too.
So what happened? Like, where did he hit you, Amelia?

Speaker 21 So he initially first hit me on the left side of my butt extremely hard. And then after that, it's when he pulled my hair to the ground.

Speaker 13 After that, did you say it again?

Speaker 21 He pulled my hair to the ground.

Speaker 13 Oh, and then just ran.

Speaker 21 Ran.

Speaker 13 So did you get a good look at him?

Speaker 21 I only got a look at him for like a quick second. I only could see that he had a beard and long hair.
And I could tell that he was a white older male.

Speaker 21 And but after that, he threw me to the ground and in shock, I just kind of laid there for a bit.

Speaker 13 Okay. And what happened with the passersby?

Speaker 21 So I could tell that they were also in shock. They kind of stood there and stared at me for a second.
But after a bit, they came and lifted me off the ground and kept asking, like, are you okay?

Speaker 21 Are you okay? They asked if I knew this man, which I said I do not. And then later on, a man helped me call 911.

Speaker 13 And what made you go on TikTok? shortly thereafter and post your reaction.

Speaker 21 I really wanted to bring awareness to the stuff that has been happening to young women in New York City.

Speaker 21 I've heard so many stories, and on my TikTok, I say, I never thought that this would happen to me, but it's really sad. This is something that happens all the time in New York.

Speaker 21 And I really want to make sure and use my voice to

Speaker 21 raise awareness and help other girls stay protected and also help other girls that have maybe gone through the same experience as I.

Speaker 13 Because this has been happening over and over and over

Speaker 13 to young women in New York. The stories are legion.
They go on and on. You were aware of that.

Speaker 21 Yes.

Speaker 21 I mean, the news on TikTok,

Speaker 21 a woman was just thrown with gasoline and set on fire. The stories are insane and it's horrific.

Speaker 13 Yeah. So this isn't like when you go to NYU, your campus is New York City.
So it's not like you're not on campus exactly. It's a public street, but you were on your way to class.

Speaker 13 And so it's a place where you would expect to be safe. So you decide after this happens, you did decide to call the cops to your credit because a lot of women would not have done that.

Speaker 13 Yes, exactly.

Speaker 21 I first was in shock and didn't know what to do, but after the man approached me holding his phone with 911, I decided to call the cops just because

Speaker 21 I wanted to report this.

Speaker 21 And after I did tell the cops, I decided to also let NYU security know so they could alert other students around around campus to let them know that this man is going around doing this to other women.

Speaker 13 And what were your hopes that the NYPD was actually going to hunt down this man and find him at that point?

Speaker 18 I was,

Speaker 21 I had high hopes. They were very understanding and kind, and they were also told me that they were already aware of the man and the blue towel around his neck.

Speaker 21 running around the city and getting this guy. But I definitely think because of your platform and also X, it helped really put pressure on them to really find this guy and make work quickly.

Speaker 21 So even though I had hopes that they would find this guy, I really don't know if this would get as much attention as it did if it wasn't for X and also for Summer going and getting the footage.

Speaker 13 So that's key, because even if I had posted it to X and retweeted your tearful testimonial, it would have been different without the actual video of the assault. And that's where Summer comes in.

Speaker 13 Summer, you and Amelia are dear friends. What made you think to go to the store to say, do you have video of this?

Speaker 22 I mean, right when I got Amelia's text, I was in class and I got a horrible sinking gut feeling because this has also happened to me. And I was lucky enough to have footage in my case.

Speaker 22 Unfortunately, my assailant was not caught. But I knew that footage is key in this and I knew that it was in front of stores.

Speaker 22 And so my first thought was, we need to get this footage and we need to catch this guy.

Speaker 13 So was it a liquor store you got it from? Whose camera captured it?

Speaker 22 Yeah, Warehouse Wine and Spirits on Broadway.

Speaker 13 Did you go there? Did you just call there? How did you get it?

Speaker 22 I walked in. I was on FaceTime with Amelia and I just said, my friend was assaulted.
Please, can you go through?

Speaker 22 this time frame of footage and see if you have it because I'm pretty sure you guys have a camera facing and lo and behold, they found it.

Speaker 13 Oh my God. And it's so clear.
It's great footage. Awesome.
And on top of it being so clear, it is the reason I think you actually got results in this case.

Speaker 13 If I had just retweeted Amelia's testimonial, I really don't think this would have drawn as much attention. It's the fact that we can see the crime.
It's so infuriating.

Speaker 13 You want to punch this guy in the face. Every man on X was resolved to help you at this point, Amelia, having seen what he did to you.

Speaker 13 And everybody knows it's not like, forgive me, but like some hysterical college student saying something that may not have happened or she may be exaggerating.

Speaker 13 They can see for themselves this is an assault. It really was a sexual assault, which is what this guy has an alleged long history of doing.

Speaker 13 So now the story starts going viral on X and the NYPD sees it. They told us they did see it on X.
And now we're going to pick up the story there after this break. Quick break.

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Speaker 13 We're back now with Amelia and Summer, two NYU students who have both been attacked in New York City recently, right on the street.

Speaker 13 And thanks to the collective effort of these young women and the Twitter army, Amelia's assailant has been caught and is in custody right now. We just found out that he has a court hearing today.

Speaker 13 We believe he's going to get arraigned today. He's in custody.
And we just found out, Amelia, that he's a registered sex offender. Here he is.

Speaker 13 His name is James Rizzo, the man accused of, really, it was a sexual assault because he hit you so hard on the backside. I know I don't know if that's an okay term for you.

Speaker 13 It implies something that didn't happen as well, but it was a vicious assault by any measure. And that his name is James Rizzo, so he will be answering to those charges.

Speaker 13 And let me tell you something, Amelia, you're a very lucky woman because as you probably know now, he just got out of state prison two months ago.

Speaker 13 where he served a two-year sentence for a quote persistent sexual abuse conviction.

Speaker 13 And as I mentioned at the top, he actually had a murder charge against him back in 1997, the status of which is unknown. So this is a very dangerous man.

Speaker 13 And this could have been far, far worse, not to diminish what happened. But as you see his face there up close and you hear that he's on a sex offender registry, how does that make you feel?

Speaker 21 I'm honestly terrified and also grateful at the same time. I'm so grateful I wasn't alone on like a dark,

Speaker 21 abandoned street with no people around. And also I'm so thankful that no weapons were involved because this could have been so much worse knowing now who he actually is.

Speaker 13 Yeah, seriously. And

Speaker 13 they caught him later that day. By the way, his rap sheet includes charges that he grabbed a woman's breasts in Manhattan in December of 23.
allegedly snapping at the victim, oh, you want more?

Speaker 13 He was caught yesterday, allegedly, in the the act of burglarizing an apartment near Washington Square Park.

Speaker 13 He was also charged with four burglaries, which is three of which while the residents were sleeping, which is good for you. I mean, it's better if he has more charges.

Speaker 13 He's more likely to stay behind bars, which has to be a concern of yours. I'll round back to that in one second.
Summer,

Speaker 13 I... know you and your family very well and I did not know that you were assaulted last spring.
I think that's because it's like common.

Speaker 13 It's not even that huge a headline for young women in New York anymore.

Speaker 13 Yeah,

Speaker 22 this is one of the most frustrating parts about this situation because I think as women, we are told this always happens.

Speaker 22 But what the narrative needs to be is this always happens and there's something done about it. I didn't go public my attack because it honestly was very traumatizing and hard to talk about.

Speaker 22 I was struck in the face by a 35-year-old man,

Speaker 22 and I was struck because he was verbally assaulting my friend and I asked a simple question to try to deter him away. And he responded with immediate and hard violence.

Speaker 13 Wow. What time of day was that?

Speaker 22 It was around 10. So it was a little different from Amelia's case, which was in broad daylight.

Speaker 13 Okay. And did you ever, like, how do you know he was 35? Was he apprehended?

Speaker 22 Um, he was not. That's just my guess.
Unfortunately, it became a cold case. He was not found.

Speaker 13 But

Speaker 22 crazy enough, this summer I was on a lunch break and I saw him walking around.

Speaker 13 Oh, wow. Yeah.

Speaker 13 That must have been traumatizing.

Speaker 22 Yeah. Yeah.
It was very scary.

Speaker 13 And not in the way that people use that term trauma, you know, too many times. Like this, this guy did assault you.

Speaker 13 And like this Rizzo guy may have a history of sexual assaults, rapes, attempted murders. Who knows? Where like you actually do need to worry.

Speaker 13 And one of the reasons you both need to worry, unfortunately, and I have a daughter too. I need to worry.
Even I, as a 50-some-odd-year-old woman, need to worry.

Speaker 13 Let's face it, the New York cops will arrest these guys, but the DA and the court court system, nine times out of 10, will not keep them incarcerated.

Speaker 13 It's in large part due to cashless bail, where they believe it's racist, so they don't require any bail of these guys, which leads to the revolving door of, I'm here, I'm James Drizzel, goodbye, I'm already out back on the streets.

Speaker 13 And I hope this won't happen in your case, Amelia, again, because he has other charges too. I don't believe that the New York courts will take sexual assault seriously.
I really don't.

Speaker 13 I have a history of reasons to believe that.

Speaker 13 But are you worried now about either Alvin Bragg, the DA, not taking this seriously enough or the courts not taking this seriously enough to where he's going to be back out on the streets too soon?

Speaker 21 So they have contacted me the other day and I'm going in and speaking to them. So I don't have really much to say yet until I go in and just hear.

Speaker 21 what they're going to ask me and what their stance is on this case right now.

Speaker 21 But I'm praying, I'm praying they take this seriously because I don't know how I'm supposed to go back to school and go back to my normal life knowing that he's still on the street.

Speaker 21 And because of how much publicity the story has gotten, it just makes me really scared.

Speaker 13 Yes, but it also is your insurance policy. You know, it's, I think, also a reason why maybe they will pay attention.
because now they know that there really will be follow-up.

Speaker 13 Oh, I assure you, there will be follow-up if this guy walks because of Alvin Bragg or a judge who's too lenient on crime. I'm happy to go sit in any courtroom where you need me.

Speaker 13 I will sit in the front row. I'll bring my camera.
It'll be super fun for everyone and we'll make Alvin Bragg an even bigger star than he is. So that's fine.
Maybe he doesn't care.

Speaker 13 I'm going to make him care. And any judge who decides this is not a big, because it is about you, but it's about far more than you.
It's about summer.

Speaker 13 It's about all the young girls who just, you weren't doing anything risky.

Speaker 13 Not that I would blame you even if you had been, but you're literally somewhere, like you were walking on the street, you were walking to class, Amelia.

Speaker 13 Like this cannot be, this is what shatters a society. There has to be a basic covenant.
You go off to college, even if it's in a city.

Speaker 13 You can just get from A to B without being in a dark alley, without doing a drug deal, right? Just living your life as a normal, law-abiding citizen, that you can make it from A to B safely.

Speaker 13 And you must, it must have been very destabilizing somewhere. You've had a longer time to process it.

Speaker 22 Yeah, it definitely,

Speaker 22 I would say it kind of came in waves. I remember short thereafter, I was in an elevator and a man that kind of looked similar walked in and I just froze.
And it sticks with you, but it doesn't define

Speaker 22 how I feel in general. I definitely think it's made me way more precautious when walking and when interacting with people that are mentally ill.

Speaker 13 But

Speaker 22 I'm proud to go to NYU and I'm proud to live in the city. But there has to be things done about this.
There has to be more concern about NYU student safety around campus.

Speaker 13 Well, where's NYU on this? I mean, it's not their, again, it's their campus, but it's not their city. But where are they?

Speaker 13 Because I'll tell you, back in the dark ages when I was at Syracuse University, there was a rash of rapes. And they started installing these rape phones all over the campus, like everywhere.

Speaker 13 So if you were in trouble, you could immediately pick up one of these phones and call campus security. But, like, what is NYU doing, Amelia?

Speaker 13 Have they said anything to you about what are they doing to keep their students safe?

Speaker 21 So, right after I reported my incident, they were very helpful and gave me all the resources to process what happened, and as well as that reassured me that they're going to take the next steps for campus safety.

Speaker 21 They have not reached out to me saying what they are doing, but I made sure to

Speaker 21 highlight how a lot of NYU students weren't aware of what happened to me that day.

Speaker 21 And I just wanted to let them know that they need to be better on communicating with NYU students and that they should all know when things like this happen.

Speaker 13 Is there anything, you know, I look at that tape, Amelia. We should roll it one more time so people can see it.
I look at that tape and I don't see anything you could have done differently.

Speaker 13 I mean, some people were like, don't wear headphones. But even if you hadn't been wearing headphones, you had like one second to realize you were about to get hit.

Speaker 13 Like, I just, I'd be the first to say, Amelia, don't wear headphones if I thought that would have saved you. To me, I don't see that at all on this tape.

Speaker 13 I don't know if there's anything you could have done differently, but how do you see it?

Speaker 21 Yeah, I definitely have been getting a lot of comments saying, don't wear headphones in the city. I definitely agree.
I think that all women, just for right now, please do not wear headphones.

Speaker 21 Always be aware. You You should have your head on a swivel constantly.
But in my case, I really don't see how it played any role because he ran up from behind and hit me.

Speaker 21 There was nothing I could have done. But yeah, also people are saying like, you should get out of the city, run.
And I transferred to NYU. My dream was to go to NYU.

Speaker 21 I just moved to the city and my dream was to live in New York City. And it's the greatest city in the world.
And, you know, New York is always going to come back.

Speaker 21 And so will Summer and I after these experiences. And I want to reassure and tell everyone that experiences like these aren't going to defeat me and other people.

Speaker 21 And I'm not going to let this man disintegrate my dream.

Speaker 13 Good. Good for you.
And honestly, it's like getting struck by lightning. I mean, the odds of actually becoming a crime victim are slim, even still in New York City.

Speaker 13 The odds of it happening twice, even slimmer. So hopefully you will feel empowered.
And hopefully, you know, you girls, you can go, you can take Krav Maga, you can get pepper spray.

Speaker 13 You cannot get a gun in New York City. It's impossible.
All our friends watching this in Texas are like, why don't you just get a gun? My Texas friends are like, why wouldn't they be carrying?

Speaker 13 They don't understand. Like, you literally cannot get a gun unless you have, you know, some serious threat against you.
You can get some brass knuckles.

Speaker 13 You figuratively already have the brass knuckles now, girls, because you did everything a woman can do.

Speaker 13 I mean, really, I think think nine out of ten women probably wouldn't have called the cops because they would have realized the odds of something happening, you know, them actually following up,

Speaker 13 sadly, are very slim. And I don't know, I mean, not to go political, but do you worry? Because now we have a soft-on-crime mayor about to take over who says things like this: I'm going to play SOT 42.

Speaker 23 The jail population of Rikers has increased since Eric Adams has come into office by more than 1,000 additional incarcerated New Yorkers.

Speaker 13 And

Speaker 23 what is quite staggering to me is that we know that we can reduce that jail population to less than 4,000.

Speaker 23 I mean, Vital City had an article about a number of different proposals that could reduce it to 3,700.

Speaker 16 And

Speaker 23 some of this also just has to look at

Speaker 23 The average stay on Rikers in the 90s was 50 days. Now it's more than 100.
There are more than 1,500 people on Rikers who have been held there for more than a year.

Speaker 23 So I do think many of the reforms that have to be made are also reforms around

Speaker 23 the court system.

Speaker 13 So he's talking about opening up Rikers and letting out the people who are in there by the thousand.

Speaker 13 There's also still no promise of getting rid of cashless bail. We also have a serious problem with the judges who are on the bench.

Speaker 13 So I do wonder, you know, whether that adds to any of your concerns, Amelia.

Speaker 21 When I spoke out and decided to share my story, I didn't really have the goal of making this kind of any way political. I mostly just wanted to do this for basic human safety.

Speaker 21 So after all this, I'm really hoping that he and everyone else that is in office and in power is seeing what's going on in New York and actually going to do something about it.

Speaker 21 Because if we're going to have these people in office, their priority should be their citizens' safety.

Speaker 13 It's really scary when you think of the population of Rikers in March summer was 7,000.

Speaker 13 So he's talking about letting out half, half of the criminals who are in there now, in addition to this revolving door we have in our court system, thanks to the prosecutors who are soft on crime and the courts, the judges who go right along with it.

Speaker 13 And they are not the ones who are going to have to walk on the streets and be assaulted. The DA is a man.
The judges tend to be men who are bald and 70.

Speaker 13 I have practiced in these courts for many, many years. And they are not the targets.
They are not young, beautiful girls in the prime of their youth walking around just trying to get an education.

Speaker 13 Your thoughts on it?

Speaker 22 It's definitely scary.

Speaker 22 And I think in the face of this, we have to focus for

Speaker 22 on girls for girls and people for people. We're all living, no matter who's elected, we're all still living here.

Speaker 22 And if we protect each other, whether that's men protecting girls, girls protecting girls, girls protecting men, even, we need to do that for each other, no matter who's in power.

Speaker 13 Well, sadly, that's right. I mean, that's the best option you have because it just doesn't seem, you know, they're capping the number of cops.
under this new mayor. They're not adding more.

Speaker 13 They've already had their hands tied. I mean, it's not a good situation.
Thankfully, you're sophomores, so maybe you don't have that many more years to worry about it.

Speaker 13 But I think self-defense classes would be good. They at least feel empowering.

Speaker 13 And you, I hope, are feeling a little more empowered, like today, for example, Amelia, and you too, Summer, than you were right after it happened on Monday.

Speaker 21 I definitely am.

Speaker 21 I posted on my ex saying it honestly is helping me sleep at night knowing that I used my voice as many other women weren't able to to try to get this guy off the streets and it makes me so happy that he isn't going to be able to hurt any more young women.

Speaker 13 Right. How about you, Summer? You feel differently about it now? Like you had two, you know, you got assaulted and now what, you know, six months later, seven months later, it happens to your friend.

Speaker 13 But because of what happened to you, you knew what to do, you took action. And it's directly as a result of what you did that this guy was caught.

Speaker 13 If that video, if you had not gotten that video, I promise you, even I could not have made this a national story.

Speaker 22 I'm feeling really hopeful after this whole situation. I mean, a horrible thing happened, but the silver lining is that there is now an attention on this.

Speaker 22 And I think we all have to have that fire in us to be either ready to pick someone up after they're hit to the ground or get the footage for someone.

Speaker 22 We all all have to be ready and willing to help each other because that's all we can do in this situation.

Speaker 13 I love, Amelia, that it was man who came over to you with his phone out having dialed 911, right?

Speaker 13 Like that man who assaulted you and the one who assaulted you somewhere do not represent, as you guys both know, the men of America or New York.

Speaker 13 The guy with the cell phone and the 911 ready to dial does. God bless you.
Let us know if you need us at all. And thank you so much for telling your story here.

Speaker 22 Thank you so much.

Speaker 13 All right, lots of love. Wow, what a story.
Okay, this is the first time we actually ran over on our Series XM

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I'll pass it over to Emily Jashinski. Thank you all for listening.
We're back tomorrow with Michael Knowles. See you then.

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