Ep. 1764 - “Brain-Dead” Woman Gives Birth To A Baby

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Speaker 2 The Supreme Court deals a a major blow to Planned Parenthood just days after the birth of a baby from a supposedly brain-dead woman, causes not only infanticidal leftists, but even a prominent pro-lifer to criticize the abortion ban that saved the baby's life on Michael Knowles.

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Speaker 2 Great news out of the Supreme Court. Here we have the decision.
There's just one page of it.

Speaker 2 Obviously, these decisions are a little bit longer, but the upshot of this Supreme Court decision is that state Medicaid programs don't have to fund Planned Parenthood.

Speaker 2 Your tax dollars

Speaker 2 through state Medicaid programs do not need to pay to murder babies.

Speaker 2 And this is a great Supreme Court decision. Huge congratulations to Alliance Defending Freedom, which just keeps racking up wins.

Speaker 2 But it shows you how much ground conservatives had lost in recent decades.

Speaker 2 The fact that we have to celebrate this victory, the fact that we have to celebrate the victory that, you know, I don't know, that men.

Speaker 2 That states are allowed to pass laws against castrating little kids so that men don't pretend to have a right to be women or something like that. I mean, it's crazy how much ground we've lost.

Speaker 2 But what specifically does this do?

Speaker 2 This case rules on a South Carolina woman and Planned Parenthood, which claimed a legal right to bring a lawsuit challenging South Carolina's decision to keep Planned Parenthood out of the state's Medicaid program.

Speaker 2 Now,

Speaker 2 South Carolina

Speaker 2 took Planned Parenthood out of the state's Medicaid program because Planned Parenthood exists to slaughter babies.

Speaker 2 Federal law already prohibits tax dollars from going to abortions. So you'd say, okay, well, how on earth does Planned Parenthood get the money anyway?

Speaker 2 And the answer is that Planned Parenthood pretends to do other stuff. So they say, okay, look, we...

Speaker 2 And they do technically. You know, they say, okay, we pass out condoms sometimes.
So, okay,

Speaker 2 that means that not all of our money goes to abortion. So, hey, you give me millions and millions of dollars, and I'm not going to use the millions and millions of dollars for

Speaker 2 abortion. I'm going to use the millions and millions of dollars to keep the lights on or to keep the rent paid.

Speaker 2 But of course, money is fungible. So, if you're giving any money to Planned Parenthood, which is an abortion bill, then you are paying for abortions.

Speaker 2 So it's a 6-3 vote, and the court says, an opinion written by Neil Gorsuch,

Speaker 2 that the Medicaid Act requiring states to ensure that Medicaid patients can obtain care from any qualified provider does not create

Speaker 2 a clear and unambiguous right

Speaker 2 that the Supreme Court would need to see in order to allow this lawsuit to go through. All good stuff.
Really glad to see it.

Speaker 2 We need to set our bar higher. We need to set our aims higher.
And I think we do have our aims set higher. And we need to claw back as much ground as we possibly can.

Speaker 2 It gives you, to me, some people complain. They say, these justices aren't doing enough or, you know, Trump isn't doing enough.

Speaker 2 Look how much ground we've lost. It gives you, I think, a great deal of sympathy for these guys, especially President Trump.

Speaker 2 It shows you how hard-charging we need to be while we have the presidency, the House, the Senate, and the Supreme Court. We won't have them forever, so we've got to make hay while the sun shines.

Speaker 2 Now, on abortion, on pro-life politics, there's an amazing story. Really, it's a sad story.
It's also got a ray of hope to this story, but it's a really bizarre one.

Speaker 2 This is woman, Adriana Smith in Georgia. This woman was declared brain dead in February.
She was pregnant. And

Speaker 2 she was kept alive, but she was brain dead. But she was kept alive.
And her baby kept growing.

Speaker 2 And the reason that she was kept on ventilators and life support was so that her baby could be saved. And then she was born via emergency C-section.

Speaker 2 This should be, you know, the silver lining in a storm cloud. This should be the ray of hope in this otherwise terribly sad story.
Except people are furious about it.

Speaker 2 The pro-abortion crowd is furious that this baby is alive. So there's one comment that went viral from the left, from the infanticidal left, says,

Speaker 2 I still hope the baby doesn't survive more than another day or two. People are seriously not understanding the precedent across the country that will happen if the baby survives.

Speaker 2 It really is the absolute worst thing that can happen.

Speaker 2 7.9,000 retweets, 107,000 likes, 3.3,000 bookmarks, not even ratioed, under a thousand

Speaker 2 replies. So I was tempted to think initially that this was

Speaker 2 satirical, dark satire, but it was satirical of the left-wing position.

Speaker 2 I don't think it is, but even if it were, all of the retweets, all of the likes not being ratioed suggests, no, this is a mainstream position saying, no, no, no, you can't.

Speaker 2 If we admit that the baby is a baby, if the baby survives and it is possible, and now we have really firm, undeniable proof. The baby is a baby, the baby is a separate person.

Speaker 2 If we see this example of

Speaker 2 a mother, you know, living for a longer period of time on life support, then

Speaker 2 that'll kill our abortion ideology. And our abortion ideology, our political ability to persuade people to kill babies is worth more than the life of this actual baby who happily survived.

Speaker 2 But it's not just the left. So this is ghoulish stuff.
The notion that you want the baby to die

Speaker 2 because the baby was able to be saved, which tells you that the baby is his own person, which tells tells you that life is good, which tells you, which suggests that maybe the baby has a right to life.

Speaker 2 So the infanticidal left

Speaker 2 has this, to my mind, demonic hatred of life, of innocent life. They love guilty life.

Speaker 2 They love getting people on death row off, serial killers and rapists and total freaks, but innocent life, little babies, grandma, grandpa, they want to kill those people. So they're for abortion.

Speaker 2 They're for so-called euthanasia. They're for all these things.

Speaker 2 But it's not just the left.

Speaker 2 There is a very, very prominent pro-life activist, Abby Johnson. I like Abby a lot.
But Abby also had problems with this story.

Speaker 2 She tweets out, I know I'm the very odd man out in this Georgia situation where a woman is being essentially used as an incubator to keep the child alive.

Speaker 2 She was pronounced brain dead when her unborn child was nine weeks along, and she is being kept artificially alive for now over 11 weeks in order to continue the pregnancy.

Speaker 2 I have a huge ethical problem with this. Death is natural.
Keeping people alive by dehumanizing the mother into the form of an incubator is, in my opinion, unethical and dehumanizing.

Speaker 2 Women are not made to have babies, even if they are dead. Natural death is okay.

Speaker 2 Life and death are two places in medicine where we have gone too far. We've created too many ways to create life.
She's right about that.

Speaker 2 And we have created too many ways to extend life instead of letting people die peacefully.

Speaker 2 Abby is wrong in the, but she's right. She has a good point given her mistaken premise.
And did you figure out what the mistaken premise is here?

Speaker 2 She is not wrong in the way that the people on the left are wrong. The people on the left are wrong because they hate innocent life and they want to,

Speaker 2 they're wishing death upon an innocent baby who survived in this beautiful way because it contradicts their abortion ideology, which is false and hideous. That's not what's going on with Abby Johnson.

Speaker 2 The reason Abby Johnson has gone wrong here is because of the mistaken premise of brain death.

Speaker 2 Because obviously, the woman isn't dead.

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Speaker 2 If the woman were dead, the baby wouldn't have been growing.

Speaker 2 If the woman were really dead, the baby would be dead now too.

Speaker 2 But the baby is alive, which should cause not only the left to re-examine their abortion priors, but it should cause the right, some people on the right, to re-examine their priors, specifically on brain death, because brain death is fake.

Speaker 2 It's fake news.

Speaker 2 The clinical category of brain death dates back to, I think, 1968 and a study out of Harvard, but it's not real. I'll give you a good example.

Speaker 2 2006, there's a little boy, very sad story, little boy, four and a half years old, contracts bacterial meningitis.

Speaker 2 and is brain dead. And when I say brain dead, I mean brain dead.
I mean like doesn't have a brain anymore. By the time they performed the autopsy, his brain did not exist.

Speaker 2 There was some calcified material. There was nothing that was recognizably brain tissue.

Speaker 2 And yet that kid lived for 20 years.

Speaker 2 And not only did he live, meaning his lungs were on life support, but not only was what were his lungs bringing oxygen into his blood and all that,

Speaker 2 he grew. He went through puberty.

Speaker 2 He was alive. He didn't have a brain, but he was alive.

Speaker 2 And what's very scary, I mean, there's story after story about this with brain death, where a guy will go in, you know, he'll be declared brain dead, and then the organ harvesters get ready to chop him up and take out the organs and he'll he'll start twitching, you know, or, you know, a relative will touch him and he'll kind of flinch.

Speaker 2 This happened in one case, I think it was a cousin, I forget the guy's name, but was touching his fingernail, you know, kind of, and finally there was some doubt that he was actually brain dead, and then he woke up and he survived and he was perfectly fine.

Speaker 2 But he would have died from the organ harvesting because the actual immediate cause of death for people who donate their organs generally is the organ harvesting, which is why that's what's so ethically suspect.

Speaker 2 But you should not look at this case, this amazing case of, wow, at least the baby survived. Don't forget, the original purpose of a cesarean section was to save the baby.

Speaker 2 It was a death sentence for the mother. Now, happily, we live in a medical age where you can almost always save the mother and the baby with a C-section.

Speaker 2 But initially, it was just a way to save the baby. It was pretty much just this.
It was a rudimentary ancient form of this.

Speaker 2 Now, instead of looking at this and saying, oh,

Speaker 2 good, out of this tragedy, at least we were able to save the baby. People are looking at it and saying, oh, this is really unethical.

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 2 No, if you think that saving this baby is unethical, you need to re-examine your ethics, not just on the left, but on the right as well. Okay.
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Speaker 2 You're going to hear that the abortion pill, which now accounts for over 60% of abortions officially, I have heard from pro-life people in the know that it's actually closer to three-quarters of abortions.

Speaker 2 You'll hear that this is just a medicine that is prescribed by doctors and it's very serious and clinical and has all sorts of there's no downsides to women, even though something like 11% of women who contract these abortions have serious complications afterwards.

Speaker 2 But there are no downsides for women and it's all very medical and clinical and serious. Well,

Speaker 2 the Daily Caller just found that in about five minutes, pretty much anyone can get a prescription for an abortion pill. So Daily Caller finds

Speaker 2 five minutes they were able to

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In 2021, the FDA removed a requirement that providers distribute this poison pill in person.

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Speaker 2 Sets ranged from $90 to $150 each just by filling out online medical forms. And that was it.

Speaker 2 Three of the five organizations that sent the pills to the Daily Caller use GenBioPro. That's one form of this poison pill.
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Speaker 2 The final one sent pills in a plain manila envelope that did not indicate the drug's provider. And the return address was listed as Supplement City.
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Speaker 2 quite likely harm the mother, too. This is crazy stuff.
So, look, I think abortion is horrifically evil and is always wrong, and we need to protect the most vulnerable among us.

Speaker 2 And I'm as pro-life as it comes.

Speaker 2 Even if you're not, though, even if you're one of these people in the middle who incoherently says, well, abortion is bad at eight months, but not at four months or something, you know, somehow a human being becomes a human being at five and a half months or something, whatever your view, even if you have that incoherent view, or even if you are super pro-abortion.

Speaker 2 How can you possibly justify this? Just look, let's say we're sitting here, me and you,

Speaker 2 super pro-abortion person. We're sitting in a coffee shop, no cameras anywhere.

Speaker 2 You're going to tell me that's acceptable, a very powerful drug that ends a life that could have serious harmful side effects on women,

Speaker 2 almost certainly will have harmful psychological side effects, but could have harmful physical side effects too.

Speaker 2 You're telling me you should be able to just fill out an online form in five minutes, pay 90 bucks and get it in a manila envelope from Supplement City. Siri, are you kidding me?

Speaker 2 I can't get Tylenol with codeine here. I got to go.
If I want Tylenol with codeine, I got to cross the border into America's evil top hat because that's too dangerous to get.

Speaker 2 But I can order an abortion pill online in five minutes? No way. No way.
So

Speaker 2 this ties into what we're talking about at the top of the show. The conservative legal movement has so much ground to make up.
We've lost so much ground in our culture.

Speaker 2 It's almost sad when we rack up our wins because it shows you how far we've fallen. Oh, hey, men, we're not going to castrate the littlest kids anymore.

Speaker 2 Or, well, we will, but states can sometimes not castrate the littlest kids. Maybe if they want, maybe.

Speaker 2 Woo!

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Hey, maybe all of your tax dollars don't need to go to infanticide in some states. Hey, you know, so it, I, it's very, it's kind of sad how much, but we are racking up wins right now.

Speaker 2 And this is, this is one way to go after this. You just say, you know, you wouldn't treat

Speaker 2 colloidal silver with this kind of lax attitude. You wouldn't, you wouldn't treat like vitamin D supplements like this.

Speaker 2 You're going to treat an abortion poison that kills a baby and might kill a mother. Are you insane? On what grounds could you do that?

Speaker 2 One way to challenge it, because that is a scary report from the Daily Caller. Okay.

Speaker 2 Now on the positive side of birth, good news coming out of South Korea. The birth rate in South Korea is up.
That's the good news. Bad news is it was basically at zero.

Speaker 2 So it shows you how, I guess that's the theme of today's show, just how far we've fallen. So the overall birth rate, do you know what it was in South Korea? The birth rate in South Korea

Speaker 2 was 0.06.

Speaker 2 What is replacement? Like 2.1? It was 0.06

Speaker 2 in April of last year. Now it's 0.79.

Speaker 2 So, okay,

Speaker 2 that's up.

Speaker 2 Still, obviously, well below what you need for replacement. Natural deaths also rose by 0.8.

Speaker 2 What caused this? The rise in births, according to Statistics Korea, was influenced by increased marriages since last year,

Speaker 2 growth in the population of women in their 30s, in their early 30s, and various birth promotion policies by the central and local governments.

Speaker 2 So there was a pretty conservative leader in South Korea, and this was Yoon-suk-yool, and he acknowledged that the birth rate problem was a national emergency, which it obviously is.

Speaker 2 He got booted out of office because he declared martial law, and there are some issues in South Korea.

Speaker 2 But before he was booted out of office, the Yoon administration had a bunch of measures to reverse the demographic collapse, including more parental leave allowances, flexible working hours, support for child care, after-school programs, subsidies for employers who need to hire temporary workers when the pregnant workers go on leave.

Speaker 2 Okay, however, it works.

Speaker 2 This is the existential issue in our countries.

Speaker 2 The birth collapse, not just in South Korea, not just in America, not even just in Europe. There is a global population collapse.

Speaker 2 And it's going to crater and it's going to wreak havoc in our societies. And it's going to cause our entitlement programs to collapse.
And it's going to cause social solidarity to collapse. And

Speaker 2 it is as dangerous an issue. It's more dangerous than Iranian nuclear weapons.
It's more dangerous.

Speaker 2 It's related to the open border because the only reason that politicians have been able to justify the open border is is because we don't have babies ourselves.

Speaker 2 And so we import the third world and we try to use that as a Ponzi scheme to keep our economy afloat. This is the issue.

Speaker 2 And we need to throw spaghetti at the wall to fix it. And there are going to be some conservatives who say, well, I don't want the government getting involved.
Get the government involved.

Speaker 2 Get the government involved. Get the police department involved.
Get the PTA involved. Get Joe Blow down the street involved.
Everybody needs to get involved. You need to get involved.

Speaker 2 You need to, look at me. Look at me.
Look right at me right now. You need to get married and have a lot of kids right now.
You need to stop.

Speaker 2 Stop using contraception. Well, first get married,

Speaker 2 then

Speaker 2 don't use contraception, then have a billion children. You have to do that.
In that order, ideally, you have to do that. It's more important than you getting out and marching in the street.

Speaker 2 It's more important than

Speaker 2 almost anything you're doing.

Speaker 2 Have you gotten the message? It's very important. And it can be done because you see these government programs do appear to have helped a little bit in South Korea.

Speaker 2 In Hungary, Hungary is the only Western nation that has instituted a family policy that has been at all effective. And it happens to be the only Western nation that

Speaker 2 is turning the demographic problem around, albeit still well below replacement levels. I talked to Prime Minister Orban when I was over in Budapest just a few weeks ago.

Speaker 2 We asked him about the family policy, if it was working.

Speaker 2 How do you turn the demographic problem around? And he said, look, I don't know. That's a million dollar question.
But what I'll tell you is we're trying.

Speaker 2 And we're the only people that are trying in the West. Got to do it.
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Speaker 8 And the president looks over at me, puts the foreign leader on mute and says, this is not going very well. And he presses the red button.

Speaker 8 And

Speaker 8 my eyes get really big, and I'm like, Mr. President, you know, what just happened? And he looks at me and he goes, Nuclear.

Speaker 8 Nuclear.

Speaker 8 And two minutes later, a guy walks in with a Diet Coke, and he looks back at me and he says, It wasn't nuclear, it's just the Diet Coke button.

Speaker 2 And that's.

Speaker 8 so that's the kind of guy, my fellow Republicans, that we have as the president of the United States.

Speaker 2 Love it. Love it.
I had heard elsewhere about the Diet Coke button. I couldn't tell if it was merely legendary, but no, it's real.
There is a Diet Coke button. And that's a funny thing.

Speaker 2 Sitting on the phone in the Oval Office, you're sitting there with the President of the United States. It's not going well.

Speaker 2 Nuclear.

Speaker 2 What does this mean? What is the political import of this? Because there is political import. It's not just a funny little joke between two friends.

Speaker 2 The political import is we're having fun.

Speaker 2 The political import is we're cool. The political import is we're the ones laughing.

Speaker 2 And fun

Speaker 2 and laughter and levity are of

Speaker 2 immense value in politics.

Speaker 2 In fact, I'm thinking back

Speaker 2 in every presidential election in my lifetime, I guess with the exception of 2020 where they changed all the rules, but every other presidential election in my lifetime, the lighter, more fun,

Speaker 2 cooler presidential candidate has won.

Speaker 2 Bill Clinton over George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton over Bob Dole, George Bush over self-serious St.
Al Gore,

Speaker 2 George Bush over

Speaker 2 Gilligan's Island John Kerry.

Speaker 2 Thurston Howell III. Love me.
Monkey. Where's my yacht?

Speaker 2 George Bush, cool, fun, light guy. Barack Obama over John McCain.
Barack Obama over Mitt Romney.

Speaker 2 Trump over Hillary.

Speaker 2 Something happened in 2020. Biden's a little light too, but something happened in 2020.
And then. And then, of course, Trump over Kamala.

Speaker 2 Lightness,

Speaker 2 coolness, fun

Speaker 2 is very, very politically effective. And what is great about that story with JD is that's just an apparently private moment.

Speaker 2 It becomes a public thing because these stories get out, but it's just an apparently private moment

Speaker 2 because you got to be that guy all the time. You can't really fake it.
Kamala Harris tried to fake it. She tried to just completely contrive personas in politics.
It doesn't work.

Speaker 2 Joe Biden is somewhat contrived. It worked a little better.
But Kamala doesn't work. Hillary tried to crack jokes and be cool.
How about you, Pokemon? Go to the polls.

Speaker 2 Didn't work.

Speaker 2 None of that stuff works.

Speaker 2 Trump just has. He just is that guy.
He's that guy from the moment he wakes up to the moment he goes to sleep.

Speaker 2 I am positive he is certain he is that guy with one person and he's that guy with 10 million people. And so it makes perfect sense that the White House official account posted this yesterday.

Speaker 9 I really wanna be all up in your head.

Speaker 9 And I know you've been waiting for this loving all day.

Speaker 9 You know your daddy's song and not the fast.

Speaker 9 You ain't got ticking my love

Speaker 2 If you're just listening, it's Trump. You know, he walks off Air Force One.
All the guys are going around to talk. Daddy's back at NATO, baby.

Speaker 2 It's not just him, though. It also shows Pete Hegsets.
It also shows Marco Rubio are also there. Sharing the spotlight a little bit.
Oh, Zelensky's coming up. Hi, Dad.

Speaker 2 Hey, Dad, how was work today?

Speaker 2 Do you have any more missiles for me?

Speaker 2 I gave you a missile last week. Vladimir?

Speaker 2 But it's not just Trump. Notice they're sharing the limelight a little bit.

Speaker 2 Because they'll even give solo shots to Pete and Marco Rubio. Daddy's home

Speaker 2 is referring to Trump, and it's referring to this comment that the chief of NATO made, that Trump is dealing with Iran and Israel like daddy.

Speaker 2 He's dealing with all these nations in the world like daddy.

Speaker 2 But it's really America's daddy. America is daddy.

Speaker 2 Okay, we're not micromanaging everything,

Speaker 2 but we're daddy. We kind of call the shots.

Speaker 2 We ultimately we have the authority and and pete hegseth is a representative of that at the pentagon marco rubio is a representative of that at the state department daddy's home okay it's fun man it's fun it's really fun that the official white house account is posting usher songs about how daddy's home and it's trump looking like the riz king just full of swag walking down air force one it's fun you could not imagine a republican doing that over 10 years ago

Speaker 2 Now you can't imagine a Democrat doing that. Isn't that crazy? What a shift.

Speaker 2 You know who the Riz King used to be before that word was even in use?

Speaker 2 It was Obama. Oh, he was no drama Obama, man.
He was cool from the choom gang, you know? Mr. Obama, he's slick and cool, not like those stodgy Republican, Mitt Romney and George Bush.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and then it totally flipped. And that's fun and that's effective and it has real political import.

Speaker 2 What can they say about it? What can they say? It's daddy's home. Okay, speaking of daddy and all sorts of scintillating kinds of language, Sabrina Carpenter has a new album out.

Speaker 2 Do you know Sabrina Carpenter?

Speaker 2 I've been introduced to Sabrina Carpenter by my producers. They've had me review two of her songs, Man Child and Please, Please, Please.

Speaker 2 And I watched them and I was prepared to not like them and think they were trash. And yet, I found them quite whimsical.
I found them quite charming.

Speaker 2 And she's in big trouble now because sabrina carpenter has a new album cover where it's a guy grabbing her by the hair and she's in a kind of slinky little dress and stilettos and he is he's dragging her along she's looking subservient and the album is called man's best friend like she's a dog and then there's she posted a dog collar says man's best friend so this is real saucy stuff Apparently, it's coming out at the end of August.

Speaker 2 Can't wait for it to be yours, X.

Speaker 2 And people are going after her. Feminists are going after her.
Even some feminists who are kind of on the side of the religious conservatives when it comes to things like obscenity and transgenderism.

Speaker 2 And they're all going after her. This is setting women back 100 years.
This is tawdry. It's terrible.
Yeah, it's a bit tawdry,

Speaker 2 but

Speaker 2 it's charming.

Speaker 2 It's charming. And do you know why? It's charming because

Speaker 2 this woman is self-conscious. Her lyrics, I should say, are self-conscious.
I've only listened to two Sabrina Carpenter songs when my producers made me: Man, Child, and Please, Please, Please.

Speaker 2 And what is notable about the Sabrina Carpenter songs is

Speaker 2 she's not saying, I'm doing all the right things. Everyone's treating me bad, and I'm totally right.
And

Speaker 2 I can do whatever I want, and no one can ever judge me. Her songs are saying, Yeah,

Speaker 2 I'm making some mistakes, aren't I? Ooh, I'm bad. Ooh.

Speaker 2 That's the thesis.

Speaker 2 Oh, you men, you men are like man children, but I keep falling for you, don't I?

Speaker 2 Maybe I'm a girl child.

Speaker 2 Maybe everything I'm accusing you of, I'm guilty of too.

Speaker 2 Ooh, I'm bad, which is why I find the album cover charming.

Speaker 2 Because

Speaker 2 it's bad within normal bounds. It's bad.
It's just, oh, I'm doing something naughty, and I'm admitting it's naughty.

Speaker 2 What our modern culture does is they do things that are naughty and they say they're really good.

Speaker 2 Our modern culture,

Speaker 2 a non-charming version of this album cover would be some like

Speaker 2 old gross guy in her position, you know? And I don't know.

Speaker 2 It'd be totally perverse. It would be totally out of the normal bounds.

Speaker 2 It would be calling good, evil, and evil good. But here she's saying, no, it's, I'm being kind of bad, aren't it? That's what pop music has done for a long time.

Speaker 2 Even her whole aesthetic is late 70s, early 80s,

Speaker 2 which is nostalgic. And by the way, it shows you how far we've fallen is that culture.
This is the, I didn't consciously line the stories up this way.

Speaker 2 It's just, that's kind of how they fell, but it shows you how far we've fallen that we long for the good old days of virtue, the 1980s. Oh, yes, that virtuous age, the late 70s through early 90s.

Speaker 2 Ah, yes.

Speaker 2 A quasi-Victorian era that was. No, not really.

Speaker 2 But relative to today, it is.

Speaker 2 At least when Sabrina Carpenter is going to be Taudry, it's going to be like, hey, I'm a hot young girl dressing in a kind of promiscuous way, and I'm lusting, which is bad.

Speaker 2 It's bad to lust, but I'm lusting after a man, which is bad in a normal way. It is, in its transgression, it is upholding.
good, normal values and behaviors in nature, which is why

Speaker 2 it's kind of charming. It's why I'm a little bit at least of a Sabrina Carpenter stan.

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Speaker 2 My favorite comment yesterday is from Jack Lyles, 3187.

Speaker 2 Says, Michael, undoubtedly the best Tucker Carlson impression there at the end with the intonation, quick speech, and especially the laugh. Ha ha.

Speaker 2 Thank you. Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 I've worked on my Tucker impression for a while because it was very nice when I would get to go on Tucker's show.

Speaker 2 And sometimes I would say something and he'd look and I couldn't tell if he was going to destroy me. Kind of look at, but then I'd make a little joke and he would open his eyes and he'd do the.

Speaker 2 Is that okay? Is that all right if I do that? It's not. Someone accused me yesterday in the creme de la creme comment section of,

Speaker 2 said my Tucker and my Jordan were the same impression. That's not true.
Tucker, last I checked, doesn't, he doesn't really have a kind of a Canadian accent. It's more like a high-pitched kind of, ah,

Speaker 2 whereas with Jordan Peterson, you know, it's a little more like I'm ordering a coffee and a donut at Tim Horton's, Bucco, but I'm doing it in the most serious way possible.

Speaker 2 You think a donut is some joke? You think it's a trivial matter? I don't think so, Bucko. Okay, so anyway, that's enough.
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Speaker 10 Hi, Michael. My name is Asher.
I'm an Orthodox Jew from Switzerland. Love the show.
Thank you for your hard work. I had a question regarding your views on Zionism.

Speaker 10 I recall you saying several times that you were not convinced about the historical nor the theological claims of Zionism.

Speaker 10 I understand you don't agree with the religious claims since you're a Christian.

Speaker 10 However, I'm confused as to why you disagree with, you seem to disagree with the historical and national claims of Zionism.

Speaker 10 So setting religion and theology theology aside, I'm sure you know it has been proven historically, culturally, linguistically, and even now genetically that modern-day Jews originate from the Holy Land, and that we Jews are direct descendants of the Hebrews and Israelites, and that we have kept a distinctive ethnic and genetic background, as well as a strong cultural, national, and historical tie to our native homeland, the land of Israel, from which we were expelled several times.

Speaker 10 So, my question is: is, why do you seem to disagree with the national and historical claims of Zionism despite ample proof that we, the Jews, are

Speaker 10 the native people of the land of Israel, and that we as a people have a right to national sovereignty in our homeland, a sovereignty that we have fought for and are still fighting for tooth and nails for.

Speaker 10 Just curious. Thank you.
All the best. Love the show.
May God bless you and all your loved ones. All the best.

Speaker 2 Thank you. Very, very good question.
The reason I don't buy the historical argument of Zionism is that I don't buy that principle for any people.

Speaker 2 So you rightly say, you say, look, you're a Christian. I get why you don't believe in the religious arguments for Zionism, but why not the historical ones? We're the native people.

Speaker 2 What do you mean you're the native people? Did you spring out of the ground like a root vegetable? No.

Speaker 2 Was there a time

Speaker 2 before

Speaker 2 the Jews or the Israelites were in the Holy Land? there was.

Speaker 2 So I'm not persuaded that because you were in a place 2,000 years ago, as you point out, the Jews have been expelled from the Holy Land a handful of times,

Speaker 2 that therefore you're entitled to it today. Because I wouldn't apply that same principle to any other people.

Speaker 2 I wouldn't say just because the Comanche used to occupy a certain area of the United States that they have a right to that. land.

Speaker 2 I mean, you will recall that before the Israelites got to the Holy Land, there were some other people there.

Speaker 2 And those the Israelites routed those other people happily, but what was it? The Canaanites, the Jebusites, the Hittites, the Amorites, there were a lot of ites that got ousted from the land.

Speaker 2 So I think that's just how it works.

Speaker 2 I occupy, I guess

Speaker 2 I have the least popular view on Israel-Palestine of any

Speaker 2 group that I have yet seen, which is I don't believe in the religious arguments of Zionism.

Speaker 2 I don't believe in the historical arguments of Zionism or any such historical arguments, but I am broadly supportive of Israel and I'm completely dismissive of the Palestine liberation movement, the river to the sea people,

Speaker 2 on grounds of prudence and practice, the shared historical experience of Christians and Jews, the development of Zionism as an essentially Western imperial project, which is what the anti-Zionists argue.

Speaker 2 They say, it's a Western imperial project. I say,

Speaker 2 listen, you're trying to sell it to me. All right, I'm convinced.
And

Speaker 2 because the West has been in a hostile relationship with Islam for roughly 1,400 years. So, you know, the fact that

Speaker 2 Islam has been trying to expand into the West from the very beginning and by the year 732 made it to 150 miles outside of Paris.

Speaker 2 So these are all really practical reasons why I'm generally favorable toward

Speaker 2 Israel over, say, these kind of radical Islamist liberation movements. But it has nothing to do with the religious or historical claims of Zionism, which I wouldn't accept for really any group.

Speaker 2 Though I suppose I would accept religious claims made by Christianity, obviously, because that's my religion. And I think it's the true one.
Okay.

Speaker 2 So anyway, now that I've alienated every single person on all sides of that question

Speaker 2 who can listen to the show. Next question.

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Speaker 11 Hey Michael, fellow Tennessee in here. Appreciate all your work.
First of all, the Mayflower Dawns are great.

Speaker 11 I had some for Father's Day yesterday with my dad and my brother, and also with my groomsmen at my wedding. So thanks for being a part of those occasions.

Speaker 11 My question today is about Protestants, especially Baptists. So I'm more of a Reformed Baptist, and I know that you're connected with Reformed figures like Ali Stuckey.

Speaker 11 So I'm just curious, what are your overall thoughts on Protestants?

Speaker 11 Obviously, we're not a part of the Roman Catholic Church, but many would say that we're a part of the small sea, the little sea Catholic Church, or the kingdom of God.

Speaker 11 So, do you believe that Protestants are Christians? In my view, anyone with genuine faith is a part of the church, and this transcends denominations.

Speaker 11 And I believe that those who have faith in Christ will worship the Lord in heaven one day. So, in your opinion, what happens to me when I die? You know, do I go to purgatory? Do I go to hell?

Speaker 11 Can a Baptist achieve sainthood? We'd love to hear your thoughts.

Speaker 2 Thanks, Michael. Okay, really good question.
So,

Speaker 2 I want to address, it's really two parts of this. We think, you know, the lower C Catholic Church and then also are Protestants Christian.

Speaker 2 So for the lower C Catholic Church, I think that's a little bit cope.

Speaker 2 I think that's capital C cope

Speaker 2 because it comes from the creed. You know, we believe in one holy Catholic and apostolic church.

Speaker 2 And so if you, in practice, don't really believe in the four marks of the church, then you have to try to figure out a way to. to back yourself into it.

Speaker 2 So you say, okay, well, no, I believe that anyone who's a professing Christian is part of the lowercase C Catholic Church. Now, first of all, our Lord gives us a visible church.

Speaker 2 He picks actual men, gives us visible signs of a church. So the notion that the church is somehow invisible or something, I think, is contrary to the Christian tradition.

Speaker 2 But furthermore, I don't even know that you believe that. You believe that anyone who says he's Christian is really Christian?

Speaker 2 What about a Mormon? Do you think a Mormon is Christian? I actually have sort of... complex thoughts on LDS, and I like actually a lot of aspects of LDS, but that's a question for another time.

Speaker 2 Do you think a Mormon is Christian? Most Baptists would say no. Do you think a Jehovah's Witness is Christian? Most Baptists, I think, would say no.
Do you think an Albigensian is Christian?

Speaker 2 But do you think a Pelagian is Christian? Do you think an Arian with an I, not a Y is Christian? Probably most people would say no.

Speaker 2 If someone denies the divinity of Christ, but says he believes in Jesus, would you say he's Christian? Probably not. So there obviously have to be some

Speaker 2 guardrails here. There has to be, has to be some limits.
And so your question then is, well, am I a Christian? I don't know exactly what you believe.

Speaker 2 I don't know exactly, you know, your kind of version of, I have have great love and respect for my Baptist friends.

Speaker 2 In fact, I had a Baptist grandpa who went to Mass for 70 years, but a Baptist grandpa on my Mayflower line. It's Puritans and Protestants and separatists all the way back.

Speaker 2 A lot of the way back. I guess not all the way back.
But are you Christian? I guess I would say

Speaker 2 if you're validly baptized, you're Christian.

Speaker 2 You know,

Speaker 2 1 Peter 3 says, baptism now saves you.

Speaker 2 So, yeah, if you're

Speaker 2 validly baptized Christian, baptized with water, the Trinitarian formula, you are Christian.

Speaker 2 But I guess

Speaker 2 my

Speaker 2 concern for our brethren of various shades of Christianity and for lapsed Catholics and for all these people is our Lord gives us baptism, which is a sacrament. He gives us other sacraments too.

Speaker 2 You know, he gives the apostles, who are the visible signs of the church, the power to forgive and retain sins and he does this for a reason you know he our lord says in for in john chapter six he says you know you have to eat the flesh of the son of man and drink his blood or you have no life in you and he repeats this and it's a hard saying and a lot of people go away and so i guess just my point is it's not i don't i don't say who's going to heaven i don't say who's going to hell that's above my pay grade i don't but

Speaker 2 it would seem to me if our lord gives us a great sacrament like baptism, which now saves us.

Speaker 2 And if he gives us a church and everything,

Speaker 2 if he gives us these sacraments, which are the meeting of the material and the immaterial, you know, of it, of time and eternity, just as our Lord is incarnate on earth, if we don't avail ourselves of all of the resources that our Lord gives us, especially the sacraments, we're putting ourselves in a kind of spiritual peril.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 that would be my concern about it. But if you're baptized, you're a Christian, but then what do we do as Christians? What are we supposed to do? What does our Lord want us to do as Christians?

Speaker 2 Okay, next question.

Speaker 3 Hey, Mike, you talk a lot about the true roots of conservatism and Christianity being at the heart of what conservatives are talking about if they're really honest about what conservatism means.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 3 what would you say to someone that would point out to you

Speaker 3 that if we really want to conserve America's founding ideals, we would be conserving Anglo-Protestant ideals

Speaker 3 and not vaguely European ones and not vaguely Christian ones, including Roman Catholicism, but Anglo-Protestant ones. What would you respond?

Speaker 2 Thanks.

Speaker 2 Well, how conservative do you want to get?

Speaker 2 There are some people who call themselves conservatives who want to conserve the late 2000s or the 90s or something. The 90s or the new 50s.
But I don't even just want to conserve the 50s.

Speaker 2 I don't want to go back in time. It's not possible to go back in time.
I want to conserve the eternal things and the practices and the traditions and the culture that they have produced.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 I don't know why I would stop at 1776. America's older than 1776.

Speaker 2 America goes back at least to 1620, but doesn't it go further back than that?

Speaker 2 You know how much I love the Mayflower. It's a great cigar brand.
But

Speaker 2 if we're really going to conserve,

Speaker 2 don't we want to go further back than that? And our roots do not lie in the Anglo-American experience of some deistic Freemasons in the 18th century. We wouldn't arbitrarily draw the line there.

Speaker 2 Where does it really come from? It goes back further. Our form of government, really, as far as I'm concerned, goes back to Thomas Aquinas,

Speaker 2 directly or indirectly.

Speaker 2 Our founding fathers were conscious of modeling the government off off of the political philosophy, not only of the Enlightenment, which the liberals want to point out to, but men like Cicero, you know, ancient political philosophers, the Roman Republic, and

Speaker 2 all manner of antiquity, up through the scholastic tradition. So, no, we got to go back deeper.
Don't just draw an arbitrary line. Go all the way back, go all the way to the roots.

Speaker 2 They think I'm not going to get to the fourth mailback question, but I will. Take it away.

Speaker 12 Hi, Michael. I love your show.
I've been watching for a long time.

Speaker 12 I used to watch Matt Walsh. I still do, but he's like a little cynical for me at times.
And I very much appreciate your catholicism.

Speaker 2 No, I'm really good at that. And like,

Speaker 12 you know, more positive, hopeful, virtuous, hopeful, upbeat, you know, take on things. My question is, how do I sell the stay-at-home mom life to other moms without sounding judgy? Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 Great question. I want all questions questions to be like that.
Michael, Michael, you are so handsome. And this is, I like all that interest.
That's great.

Speaker 2 Well, you don't need to sell it to him.

Speaker 2 It sells itself, first of all, and you don't need to sell it to him.

Speaker 2 You got this great thing and you want to share it with your friends who you think are unhappy. And you're probably right.
So what I would do,

Speaker 2 actually, to the preface of your question, which is, Michael, you're generally upbeat, you know, and you don't let the bad things get you down.

Speaker 2 And that's, I would just kind of show that to them and say you know life's good in it you know and okay maybe we don't have two incomes so maybe we don't get to go on vacation to Tahiti every six months yeah maybe we don't get the newest car every two years maybe we don't yeah

Speaker 2 but look how great our life is you don't need to you don't even need to say it you just can show it to them And then when people ask questions, then you can give them answers. All right.

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