2 Liberals vs. 1 Conservative: BAR FIGHT | Michael Knowles, Luke Beasley, & Zina

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Speaker 2 Despicable person! No, I thought I'm sick and tired of it.

Speaker 6 Let me finish. You had a monologue already.

Speaker 7 I tell people that Michael Knowles is my internet dad.

Speaker 2 Stop it. You got a bar full of people.
And you want us to debate HOAs. Because this is America.

Speaker 2 Welcome to Bar Fight.

Speaker 2 Tonight I'm joined by two libs.

Speaker 6 That's my case. I think it's a pretty good one.

Speaker 2 My first guest, that is Zina Ikeme.

Speaker 6 You've been calling me a lib this whole time. I hate to break it to you.
It might be a little bit worse than that.

Speaker 2 Oh. Just be consistent.
I've been very consistent. Luke gets to finish his voice.
He's got his bells rigged.

Speaker 2 He's my second guest, one of the top names in online liberal commentary today, Luke Beasley.

Speaker 2 Here is how it works. We have each brought three topics to the table.
The audience chooses the topics. The bell rings.
We'll duke it out for that round.

Speaker 2 And then our highly sober patrons can come up to the microphone. Why are they laughing already? How long have they been in? They can go up to the microphones to pick a fight with any of us.

Speaker 2 If If you want to fight me, you go to the blue microphone. It doesn't seem to make a lot of sense, but that's what you have to do.

Speaker 2 If you want to fight either of my wonderful guests, you go to the red microphone, but do not wait because there is a time limit to each round.

Speaker 2 We have over here for the asker of the best question, a magnificent VIP table where you can have some delicious John Rich redneck Riviera bourbon. And I think we have some Mayflower cigars.

Speaker 2 I don't, you know, there's always...

Speaker 2 There are all these dumb rules in American cities where you can't like smoke indoors anymore or whatever. But anyway, I won't pay attention.

Speaker 3 Lady,

Speaker 2 gentlemen, are you ready?

Speaker 3 Ready.

Speaker 2 It's round light.

Speaker 2 Now

Speaker 2 we read.

Speaker 2 The potential topics. Ladies first,

Speaker 2 this liberal man was going to cut off the lady.

Speaker 2 Come on, Luke. What are you doing?

Speaker 2 Take it away. Zena, what's your topic?

Speaker 6 My first topic is that Donald Trump is a sexual predator.

Speaker 2 True.

Speaker 2 Pretty simple. Who cheers for that?

Speaker 6 That's crazy behavior.

Speaker 2 Luke? If the Epstein files were released, actually released, not whatever the heck he's doing now, Trump's presidency would be destroyed.

Speaker 2 It started out with crickets, but okay.

Speaker 2 My claim is that libs are ruining Thanksgiving and they need to cut it out.

Speaker 2 I actually wanted to talk about the other topics, but Mr. Davies, do we know which topic?

Speaker 2 My ears are still ringing from this side. I think Thanksgiving won this round.
Okay, Thanksgiving. It's too bad.
I want... Maybe in a bonus round or something, we can get back to one of those.
Okay.

Speaker 2 It's very, very frustrating. We've all seen it anecdotally.
The Libs want to pick fights at Thanksgiving.

Speaker 2 Sometimes they don't want to show up to Thanksgiving, and sometimes they want to disinvite you from Thanksgiving. This is backed up by empirical data.

Speaker 2 There's a study that came out, I think it was Deseret News, said that 40% of Kamala voters would disown a family member over politics. That is compared to only 11% of Trump voters.

Speaker 2 Then there was a survey from the American Enterprise Institute that showed that 23% of very liberal respondents have, in fact, disowned family over political views, compared to just 9% of very conservative respondents.

Speaker 2 There was one final number comes out of, I think it was the Skeptic Research Center, said that liberals across all ages are more likely than conservatives, much more likely actually,

Speaker 2 to disown friends and family over politics. And I think that's mean and nasty and wrong.

Speaker 2 And I, listen, if I'm willing to have Thanksgiving with my liberal relatives, they should have Thanksgiving with me. Do you disagree? Peterson.

Speaker 6 I would say I definitely disagree, Michael, and I think it's because libs have a lot more to disown family members about.

Speaker 6 I mean, when we look at what the president is doing at our borders, as well as how we're treating, you know, immigrants in this country, I think it's pretty clear that there's something humane and immoral that's going on.

Speaker 6 I think that's what's mean and nasty.

Speaker 2 Okay, just on that moment. Well, before

Speaker 2 I'm looking forward to talking at Thanksgiving with my relatives about why their king is

Speaker 2 still covering up the Epstein files. Right.

Speaker 2 Look, he's not king yet. We're working on it, but he's not king yet.

Speaker 2 I don't know if it's going to ruin Thanksgiving, but like she said, if you're the one supporting the guy who's covering for one of the greatest pedophile rings ever, then yeah, that would be more disowned over than what?

Speaker 2 Okay, so on that point, he did just sign a bill with almost unanimous support in Congress to release all the Epstein files.

Speaker 2 We'll get to that in a moment.

Speaker 2 I think, so you'd be willing to talk to your conservative friends that they're...

Speaker 2 Okay, so then really to Zena's point, I guess you say, look, we have a lot more reason to disown conservatives because we find their policies and their desires morally objectionable.

Speaker 2 But think about it the other way. You support abortion, I take it.

Speaker 6 Yeah, before I would say

Speaker 6 second trimester, yeah.

Speaker 2 Okay. So from my perspective, as a conservative, as a Christian, I don't support abortion.
I think it's really bad. I think it's killing babies.

Speaker 2 I think even the fact that you would put some limits on abortion suggests you might consider that at least at some point, too. So

Speaker 2 I am perfectly willing to sit down with friends and family members of mine who I think support.

Speaker 2 We're sitting down right now. What's the point?

Speaker 2 Right. Liberals might be too sensitive.
I agree.

Speaker 2 So you agree with me? So it's you and me against Zena. Hold on, Xena's with me.

Speaker 2 No, you guys are. Michael's Michael.
Michael.

Speaker 2 To finish my point. Michael, you made the point.
That's towards me, right?

Speaker 6 So you want me to respond, right?

Speaker 2 Yeah, well, just to finish my point, Xena,

Speaker 2 I'm willing to sit down, and conservatives are willing to sit down with liberal family members who we believe, correctly, support the wholesale slaughter of infants to the tune of 70 million a year.

Speaker 2 Hold on, one second. You might object to our immigration policies, but doesn't the principle of moral objection got both ways?

Speaker 6 So the problem is, like, the point that you're making is not about human persons. You're talking about...

Speaker 2 I think it is.

Speaker 6 Well, personhood is defined by consciousness, and it's not just the case.

Speaker 2 Of course it is. Well, okay.
I guess we disagree on that.

Speaker 6 What makes a human being dead? Like, when does a human being,

Speaker 6 when are they considered dead?

Speaker 2 Not when they go unconscious, because then I would be dead every single night when I go to sleep.

Speaker 6 But when there's no longer an ability for conscious experience to occur, there's no longer a human person, right?

Speaker 2 No. And that's not the case.
No, no, let me finish.

Speaker 6 Hold on.

Speaker 6 I gave you a moment.

Speaker 6 So what we're talking about here is the sense that... Thanksgiving.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we're talking about Thanksgiving, but we're also talking about morality.

Speaker 6 So if we want to talk about Thanksgiving, we can also, well, let's get back to the moment.

Speaker 2 I guess Lucina. Michael, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
Michael, let's get started.

Speaker 2 Michael, let's get back to the morality point.

Speaker 6 You find homosexuality to be immoral, right? Yeah.

Speaker 2 All right.

Speaker 2 So you wouldn't.

Speaker 2 You have to have sexual friends. Okay.

Speaker 6 But you wouldn't elect a homosexual to be president, right?

Speaker 2 It depends. If he were just like homosexual in the British way, where, you know, like he likes cold pork.
What if he was went to Eaton or something?

Speaker 6 Okay, but what if he was homosexual in the blowing Bubba way?

Speaker 2 Would you elect him then?

Speaker 2 I don't just think Donald Trump is Bill Clinton's type. I don't know.

Speaker 2 We know a lot about Bill Clinton's preferences.

Speaker 6 No, but Epstein seemed seemed to think so. And in the legal documents that are being reviewed,

Speaker 2 I'm not sure if Jeffrey Epstein, I guess.

Speaker 2 I mean, I trust legal documents. I think you're evading the question, Zeni.
I think you've totally evaded it. I've not on Thanksgiving.

Speaker 2 I think you shouldn't disown your relatives except for some crazy cases. Family's number one.
But we're on the same team.

Speaker 2 But what is going to ruin Thanksgiving is that the guy who promised affordability is driving up costs, as even he's having to admit now with the reversal of his tariff policy.

Speaker 2 The Thanksgiving meals getting more expensive, I think is more relevant to this.

Speaker 2 Because we're all here, wait, before, we're all here to discuss, so clearly none of us are those people disowning family members. It feels a little irrelevant, but the cost feels more relevant.

Speaker 2 You're saying the point you're making is irrelevant. I agree.
No, I'm saying your point about, oh, like some random liberals that aren't here disown family members. I don't really care.

Speaker 2 No, Zena's actually saying she would disown family members. Wait, no, I think she was just aware of that.
Michael, which of my family members have I disowned? I'm confused.

Speaker 2 No, no, I'm just, so you agree that liberals should not disown family members. They should share Thanksgiving, that 40% of liberals are wrong to say that we should disown family.

Speaker 2 So we all agree on that point. I don't think 40% said we should disown family.
Yes, 40%

Speaker 2 are more likely to. Or anyone who supports them.
They would justify it.

Speaker 2 40% of common house supporters.

Speaker 2 Yeah, okay. So I'm trying to figure out, because both of you are completely evading the topic and changing it.

Speaker 2 Louis, how am I supposed to argue with something that I don't think you should disown family members? But if we want to talk about Thanksgiving,

Speaker 2 because

Speaker 2 you, I don't care. We're not talking about other topics.
We're talking about the one that the people chose. And so you might agree with me, and that's delightful for you.

Speaker 2 It means you're on the right side of the question. But Zena,

Speaker 2 I think you disagree. And so you're trying to avoid the question.
My claim.

Speaker 2 Which is the claim we're debating. I think there's grounds for ruining Thanksgiving and they need to cut it out.
Do you agree with me?

Speaker 6 I think there's grounds for

Speaker 6 considering disownership when we look at the fact that Trump has been held civilly liable for sexually assaulting a woman named Eugene Carroll.

Speaker 6 This was held in federal, she was crazy.

Speaker 6 Well, how come what were the two crazy were the courts were the two courts were the two courts in two separate years that found him guilty and him not having exculpatory exculpatory evidence to prove that he was he wasn't guilty?

Speaker 6 Were they all

Speaker 2 when did Donald Trump assault E. Gene Carroll?

Speaker 6 I'm not sure what the date was.

Speaker 2 Neither is E. Gene Carroll because she doesn't know if it's 95 or 96.
Okay, she only reported in 23 years, 24 years.

Speaker 6 Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Michael, do you or do you not support our court system? Like, do you agree that that article?

Speaker 6 I think courts sometimes make mistakes, and I think in the middle of the day, and what evidence do you have of the mistake that they've made?

Speaker 2 Okay, here's my evidence because you keep changing the topic because you don't want to discuss the point that the people ask you. That's fine.
That's fine.

Speaker 2 Eugene Carroll herself cannot tell you when the alleged sexual assault in Bergdorf-Goodman occurred. She then reported it only 23 or 24 years later.

Speaker 2 She then went on Anderson Cooper's show when she was reporting this and said that rape is sexy. It was so weird that Anderson Cooper had to cut to commercial.

Speaker 2 This then was reported by George Stephanopoulos in ABC. He said that Trump was liable for rape and ABC News and George Stephanopoulos pay Trump $16 million for defamation because that wasn't true.

Speaker 2 So I don't find her. Now you have to let me, since you made a bunch of points on that, respond to it.
Put in all these events. He's on tape saying, oh, my grandmother, it was a joke, okay?

Speaker 2 Then he is found civilly liable. He's on tape saying what? Wait.

Speaker 2 Okay, I don't think we talked about my point. So I think I, well, hold on.
We have to ask who won. So if you agree, I don't even know what sides we're on here.

Speaker 2 I guess if you agree with, if you agree with me and Luke, I guess, is on my my side, you raise the red sign. And if you agree with Zena, you raise the blue sign.

Speaker 2 Got some good people there.

Speaker 2 I would say there's a couple of blues there. Is that blue down there? Yet two.

Speaker 2 And then the rest is red. Okay, I think that goes to us.

Speaker 2 Good job, Luke.

Speaker 2 Now we cut for questions.

Speaker 8 Yes, I think that

Speaker 8 In the idea of disowning your family and the borders and all those things, I think the liberal liberal heart is the compassion is misplaced because we're not concerned about all these children that have been come across the border who were given a number that they can't, they call and no one answered.

Speaker 8 They've been abused, they've been sexually trafficked, they've been lost. We don't even know where they are.

Speaker 8 So if you have the compassion for them, you should have the compassion for closing the borders and taking care of their own country to help them get a better life and a better life in their own country with the things that they need.

Speaker 8 We can partner with those countries.

Speaker 2 Charity begins at home. Do you agree?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 obviously, we should have a secure border, obviously. You're right.
Are you on the Republican side of that?

Speaker 2 And we can both have a secure border and then separately not ignore due process, which is completely unrelated to what you're talking about, which is what Trump has done.

Speaker 2 And deporting people without due process who had legal asylum cases to prisons in El Salvador. to rot there forever is completely against everything America is supposed to stand for.

Speaker 2 So let's have both. I think that's

Speaker 2 supposed to stand for

Speaker 2 Latin American gangsters. Okay, I didn't read that.
The Federal Regional Council. There was zero way.

Speaker 2 Wait, explain what evidence against Andrew Hernandez Romero was there that he was a gang member?

Speaker 2 The gangster case named the name

Speaker 2 of the case. There was no evidence against him because he was a lawful asylum seeker.

Speaker 2 Hold on.

Speaker 2 Who has come to the border checkpoint legally, who didn't illegally cross the border. Exactly.
Was he

Speaker 2 ended up being sent because of a mistake, not the one you're thinking of, of, the other guy? I'm talking about. What was the other guy's name?

Speaker 2 You know his name.

Speaker 2 Listen, listen. You know, it's me, the poor refugees and asylum seekers.
That's who you're going to bring up. That's not who I'm bringing up.
Bring up Andrew. I know his name.

Speaker 2 You don't know anything about him, and you're fine with our government sending him to a prison indefinitely. So you bring up the money.

Speaker 2 Which is against every basic international law and what America is supposed to stand for. So to the question,

Speaker 2 you have a secure border. But you asked about this guy.

Speaker 2 You asked about this guy, and I think it's very important. It's true.
We don't know the names of all of the 20 million million illegal aliens who are in this country.

Speaker 2 He wasn't an illegal alien who need to

Speaker 2 points. He wasn't an illegal card.
He was an American citizen? He wasn't an American citizen either. You don't have a green card.

Speaker 2 That was a difference. Did he have a green card?

Speaker 2 No, no, you said he was seeking asylum. And he hadn't entered illegally, so he's not illegal.

Speaker 2 No, he had no right to be in the United States. You're saying he was seeking asylum.
He went lawfully to a checkpoint, applied, and his case was pending.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you could have like Osama walking through with a trend-eye Aragua member. He's making random campaigns.
He can lawfully make you a checkpoint.

Speaker 2 It doesn't mean you have no random right to be in be in the United States.

Speaker 6 Michael, you do understand that illegal immigrants are less likely to commit crimes in this country than the legal citizens. That is 100% true.
And

Speaker 2 what did you just call them? Zeno, what did you just call them?

Speaker 6 Right. Hold on, what did you just call them? Undocumented immigrants.

Speaker 2 That's not what you called them. You called them illegal immigrants.

Speaker 2 I think you gave the game away.

Speaker 2 I think ultimately illegal means unlawful. We care a little bit more about that.
Here's the problem.

Speaker 6 Undocumented immigrants who come come to this country fleeing, you know, oftentimes war-ridden countries, oftentimes that have been intervened from America, right?

Speaker 6 Come to this country and they are less likely to commit violent crimes than any of the rest of you sitting in this bar. That is a fact that you can fact-check on.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I don't know about that.

Speaker 6 And the problem is there has been a narrative spread about illegal immigrants to make them seem as if there's some kind of villain in this country that are somehow, you know,

Speaker 6 when your lights shut off, when your electricity doesn't work, damn, it's those damn immigrants somewhere out there. They're always lurking.
That's the problem.

Speaker 2 I don't blame them for that. I blame them for high prices and

Speaker 6 what we realize, though, is that they're doing the jobs that everyday Americans don't want to do. The jobs that pay, you know, lesser wages.
The problem is when you push it.

Speaker 2 We need cheap slave labor, so bring in those refugees. When you push them out,

Speaker 6 other Americans are still doing that labor, and that's a fault of our system. But pushing them out continues to make worse living conditions for millions of people.

Speaker 2 They're doing that labor for living wages. And that's a pretty good idea.
I kind of support that. That's true.
Okay, next question. Okay.

Speaker 2 This question is for Zina.

Speaker 2 I'm assuming you're a supporter of Black Lives Matter?

Speaker 2 I do believe Black Lives Matter, yes. Okay, okay, good, good.

Speaker 2 So if you're in favor of protecting black lives, where do you believe the most dangerous place in our country is right now for black children?

Speaker 6 That depends. Probably at the hands of law enforcement.

Speaker 6 I think that would be like the worst place for a lot of black children to be.

Speaker 2 Okay, so according to the CDC, 17 million black babies have been aborted since Roe v. Wade.
That's 35% of the current black population in America.

Speaker 2 Unfortunately, so if you really care about Black Lives Matter, wouldn't you want to protect the millions of babies that are being slaughtered by their parents?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 6 So the only problem is when you're with your girlfriend and she needs to get a plan B, we don't kind of charge her with murder, right? That's because fetuses don't have plan B.

Speaker 2 Who needs to get a plan B? It's an abortive

Speaker 2 drug.

Speaker 6 A lot of people.

Speaker 2 You don't need to. You could just get the kid.

Speaker 6 You could, or you can also engage in your rights and get a plan B.

Speaker 2 Like a lot of men are. You could kill your kid, but he's saying that's bad and it's bad specific.

Speaker 6 So any women in here who have IUDs, you could be considered a murderer, according to Michael Knowles.

Speaker 2 No, IUDs are not necessarily abortive.

Speaker 6 And in many different cases, IUDs will actually remove

Speaker 2 eggs, but they're different.

Speaker 6 They're eggs from, fertilized eggs from the uterus, and that could lead to, or implantation, you're right. And that would lead to a baby no longer being able to be conceived.

Speaker 6 So yes, that would be considered a murder of a human person, right? That would be equal to any of the lives in here, which isn't the case. If we had like 50 fetuses just like stacked up on this

Speaker 6 on this table and we took 50 people from the audience, would you say like these lives are worth the same?

Speaker 6 Are those lives the same?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think all human life has equal dignity.

Speaker 6 So if we said, okay,

Speaker 6 let's take Luke over here. If we said Luke

Speaker 6 or one fetus, like literally sitting, like

Speaker 6 on the table.

Speaker 2 Xena, between which?

Speaker 2 When do human beings...

Speaker 2 I like Luke. Come on, that's not nice.
She didn't even ask the question yet.

Speaker 6 Which one would you, if you had to choose between saving the life of Luke or a fetus sat on this table, which one would you choose?

Speaker 2 Xena, when do you believe that human beings can get it?

Speaker 2 Okay, next question.

Speaker 6 That sums everything up

Speaker 2 someone asked me a question

Speaker 9 I have a question well it's not really question more of a statement that you can answer to the lips

Speaker 9 so I just became a mother and two months ago

Speaker 6 greatest joy of my life

Speaker 2 and yeah

Speaker 9 so feminism says that it takes a strong independent woman to have a career. I already have a decent career,

Speaker 2 but

Speaker 2 that wasn't that hard.

Speaker 9 Having, becoming a mother takes a strong, independent woman. Let me just say.

Speaker 9 I had a natural birth. The question is, do you really think that being a strong independent woman is being

Speaker 9 a career woman who had a few abortions or is being a mother really feminist?

Speaker 2 I'm really curious what you

Speaker 2 think liberals believe.

Speaker 2 I'm very proud of you on your motherly journey and I wish you the best and I think it takes a lot of bravery and courage to be a mother and a lot of work and it's a beautiful thing and liberals, at least correct liberals, don't believe that you shouldn't if you want to, create the most beautiful thing, a family.

Speaker 2 What we believe is that you should have the choice and the freedom to do that or to pursue a career or to pursue a career for a while and have kids or both.

Speaker 2 And that freedom is something that I don't know where Michael specifically stands, but some people in his cohort don't like the idea of and want way more rigid

Speaker 2 enforcement. We want freedom and I love that you became a mother.
I love that you said you also achieved things in your career and the choice for your own life path is what liberals believe in.

Speaker 9 Thank you. Here's the only problem with that is that my Instagram feed calls it propaganda when other women promote being mothers.

Speaker 2 That's because Instagram needs you to be upset and stay on the platform so it shows you random nobodies who don't really represent the mainstream liberal view to get you upset so you'll keep using their ass.

Speaker 2 Now, hold on, Luke. I'm glad that you're moderate and relatively reasonable as far as libs go.
But I think this is ignoring pretty widespread left-wing demonstrations that say shout your abortion.

Speaker 2 Planned Parenthood goes out, says you can have as many abortions as you want or need.

Speaker 2 These are mainstream groups. Articulate.

Speaker 2 If you actually look at people in positions of authority, obviously we have a very different stance on abortion, but about uplifting families and enhancing the child tax credit.

Speaker 2 Democrats stand for that. Republicans want to cut those programs.

Speaker 2 Pro-family. That's us.

Speaker 2 Trump did just expand the child tax credit, but we'll get to that in some later topic. Okay, so

Speaker 2 who do you think, who do you think won the first round? Now you can, I guess not, I don't even know what the questions really were about.

Speaker 2 Is it, would you say, do we get the blue for the libs, red for,

Speaker 2 is it tie? Is it a tie?

Speaker 2 Is it blue?

Speaker 2 I'm seeing more red, if I'm being real. But that was a very reasonable answer.
By liberal standards. That was very good.
Okay,

Speaker 2 who do we think the VIP questioner was, who gets to go to the VIP table and drink delicious redneck Riviera or bourbon?

Speaker 2 The mom gets it. The mom is gonna drink nine months worth of bourbon tonight, baby.
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Speaker 2 Are we ready for round two?

Speaker 2 You shot. Let's go short.

Speaker 2 Okay, now we're going to read our topics. I have to urge my guests here, we try to stick to the topic, you know, not some of the other.
We'll try to stick to whichever one gets picked. Ladies, first.

Speaker 6 All right, claim two is that toxic masculinity is ruining young men.

Speaker 2 That was a cheer from the most toxic man in this bar, Luke.

Speaker 2 All right, my claim two is: Republicans are much worse for the economy than Democrats. Everyone, cheer real loud for that.
Yeah, there we go.

Speaker 2 Okay,

Speaker 2 my claim is that we should ban porn.

Speaker 2 There were cheers for the economy one. Is there what do we got? There were cheers across the board.
What did it sound like up there? Because back here, I'm getting the best.

Speaker 2 Economy people yelling into it. I'm pretty loud.

Speaker 2 I'm not even gonna wait.

Speaker 2 Wait, you guys remember?

Speaker 2 I've never been to a bar where they cheers.

Speaker 2 Economy.

Speaker 6 Toxic masculinity.

Speaker 6 Toxic masculinity.

Speaker 2 Okay, so Luke's toxic economy. Because it's near Thanksgiving and Luke said he would come to my Thanksgiving dinner, I will put my

Speaker 2 aside for a moment.

Speaker 2 We can talk about the economy.

Speaker 2 All right, so what's your argument? All right, let's go. So, I'm sure a bunch of people in this bar don't know this.

Speaker 2 I think everyone's worldview, our politics should be structured on just a rational approach to public policy. The most important issue in all of our lives is the economy.

Speaker 2 And almost all Americans, or probably a majority, misunderstand the records between Republicans and Democrats on the economy.

Speaker 2 Over the last century, Michael, and I'd like to hear you respond to this in a second. The last century, the economy has fared way better on GDP growth, unemployment, job growth, et cetera.

Speaker 2 All of the metrics you can find the last century under Democrats compared to Republicans, even when you control for Democrat presidents, you mean?

Speaker 2 No, even when you control for what about who is in the House, who is the Senate.

Speaker 2 Time and time again, Democratic administrations and better under unified Democratic government. So always Democrats in the White House.
Democrats in the White House.

Speaker 2 The economy performs better over and over again. Recessions are way more likely to happen under Republicans.
We're seeing this right now with Trump.

Speaker 2 A bunch of people voted for him to help their economic situation, and then he came in and implemented these insane and irrational tariffs on everyone in the world and penguins and is driving prices up.

Speaker 2 and doesn't understand how tariffs work. Tariffs were deflationary, according to the San Francisco Fed last week.
He doesn't even know who pays the tariffs.

Speaker 2 So the clearest stat is that every single economist, conservative or not, says Democrats are better for the economy. You can even ask Rock, and gives you the same answer.
Something like that's cute.

Speaker 2 Because it is, well, it's Elon's. Because

Speaker 2 even, exactly. And Elon's AI now says he has a sexy body or something.
So it's pretty skewed. But I'd be curious to know, because Trump's landmark economic approach has been tariffs.

Speaker 2 And I know a lot of commentators who defend him have flip-flopped on it. It's just negotiating.
It's not. It's not.
You agree that he's completely lying when he says China pays the tariffs, right?

Speaker 2 No, I think that the tariffs have worked out relatively well because everyone predicted that the tariffs would be inflationary.

Speaker 2 The San Francisco Fed just came out and said they were actually deflationary. We see that real wages are not.

Speaker 2 You said you were going to stay on the topic. I asked.

Speaker 2 You just asked me a question. You can't do that.
You've asked me a direct question. I responded.
I'm going to answer to a different question. I asked you a specific question.

Speaker 2 There was a total fake out. That was a total.
He was just paying the tariffs. You have to answer my question if I ask a question, Michael.

Speaker 2 That was, man, how'd you do that to me? He could have asked me a question about.

Speaker 2 So I'll answer the top topic. You watch for it.

Speaker 2 This is one of those examples of lies, damn lies, and statistics. All right, you're not going to answer it.
I don't care. Wait, hold on.

Speaker 2 Wait, do you want me to answer that question or you want me to answer your broader question? Well, you're just going to say a bunch of people.

Speaker 2 You just keep cutting me off whenever I answer what you ask. You're not sure about saying random stuff.
Okay, go. Sorry.

Speaker 2 Okay, do you want me to answer the broader question or the specific question you asked about tariffs? Trump keeps lying saying other countries pay the tariff. About the importers.

Speaker 2 The way that tariffs. Look, I am actually, I am an importer because I have a great cigar brand called Mayflower Cigars.

Speaker 2 So anyway, so I know the tariff issue all too well. And right now they're mostly being absorbed by the companies.
They're not really being passed on to the consumers.

Speaker 2 And so this is why the tariffs, the San Francisco Fed just pointed out the tariffs were deflationary. Well, you didn't answer.
You didn't answer.

Speaker 2 But we have seen prices, we saw a huge softening of price increases. Then Trump comes back in, reverse the trend.
Food prices are back sharply increasing.

Speaker 2 No, no,

Speaker 2 no.

Speaker 2 Inflation is around 3%. Real wage growth is around 4% or 5%.
Because it was coming down.

Speaker 6 Inflation? It was coming down.

Speaker 2 Inflation was 9% under Biden. Coming down under

Speaker 2 Biden clipping. Coming down under Biden.
And then, wait, that's what Biden handed to Trump, and then Trump reversed the trend and now it's going back up because of his policy.

Speaker 2 In Biden's case, it was because of the pandemic that Trump mishandled. Trump caused a bunch of domination.
I have to clarify.

Speaker 2 Are you asking me about Trump's handling of the economy or about your claim that in general the economy does better under Democrats or Republicans?

Speaker 2 Oh, no, I made that point, and then I was giving you a different point about how how Trump keeps lying. It's an economic point.
So hold on, are we

Speaker 2 going to debate the topic that they can not graciously let you do or are we going to debate the topic? I would love to hear you. Are you going to deny that for the last century?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Okay. Everyone Google right now.

Speaker 2 Okay, so you don't have to Google. I'm a human being.
I can actually just give you the facts myself.

Speaker 2 Lies. So

Speaker 2 your point is that under Democrat administrations, the economy grows more. The GDP is higher.
And so this is one example of lies, damn lies, and statistics. Wage increases,

Speaker 2 unemployment. You just said, Does he have Tourette's or something? Are we going to answer the question or not? Hold on, I'll try.

Speaker 2 Would you like me to answer it now? Are you afraid of my answer? Keep going. You're afraid of my answer.
Okay. So,

Speaker 2 this is true, but you would grant certainly that macroeconomic events also play a role in the economy, right?

Speaker 2 Okay, so the way that you arrive at those numbers, because GDP growth is a little bit higher under Democrat administrations than Republicans if you go back to, say, World War II or back through the 20th century, the reason for this is that you have a Democratic administration coming out of World War II.

Speaker 2 So this is a massive global event that leaves the United States as one of the two main players. Will you be quiet?

Speaker 2 Why are you being so dishonest? Even if you exclude that. Even if you just look at the last few presidents.
He's interrupting because he doesn't want the facts.

Speaker 2 You're just so

Speaker 2 as I was saying before I was rudely interrupted.

Speaker 2 After World War II, you had a Democrat administration. So it inherits this massive growth in the economy because the United States is one of two superpowers left in the world.

Speaker 2 That starts to to flip the numbers. Then you have, say, under the presidency of Ronald Reagan, you inherit 1981 a massive, massive recession.

Speaker 2 Now, Reagan was able to turn that around on GDP growth, on unemployment numbers, on inflation. He turns it around, it gives us the Reagan boom, sets up the next 25 years.

Speaker 2 Bill Clinton comes into office, he rides that all the way through a once-in-a-century technological revolution, which is the internet revolution.

Speaker 2 He rides it all the way up to the bursting of the dot-com bubble, which is saddled on George Bush's numbers, not on Bill Clinton's numbers.

Speaker 2 Furthermore, George Bush digs us out of that hole because of the 2003 tax cuts. But at the end of the Bush term, you had the global financial crisis.

Speaker 2 The global financial crisis that was set up mostly by two laws passed under Bill Clinton, the Community Reinvestment Act of 1995 and the Graham Leach-Bliley Act, which repealed Glass-Seagall, led to the global financial crisis.

Speaker 2 Now, obviously, Bush's numbers get pummeled by that. You get growth, especially because of the energy boom under Bush.

Speaker 2 Under Barack Obama, Donald Trump then comes in, cleans up some of Obama's mess, and passes more tax cuts that lead to long-term growth. So I grant to you, one second, let me finish my my point.

Speaker 2 I grant to you that it is true that under Democrat administrations, one second, one second.

Speaker 2 It is true that under Democrat administrations, you can arrive at that statistic, but when you look at macroeconomic trends, you realize the statistics are changing.

Speaker 2 Even if you control for specific economic crises, even if you do that, steady times without external factors, still,

Speaker 2 and you're citing tax cuts, which have failed. What is GDP growth on average under the data? Now I'm going to go.

Speaker 2 And a great example of this is, and as I explained, everything you just went there was a fun history lesson and misses the point that I made, which is even analyses that exclude for some of the things that I've seen.

Speaker 2 You made a broad point, and I inserted facts into that. And then you said ignore those facts.
And then you're not hearing the facts that I'm saying.

Speaker 2 You just keep going off of regurgitate talking points. So, history images.
Yeah, and history keeps proving that Democrats

Speaker 2 really see better economic conditions. And then, a really good example of this is that we had the whole pandemic collapse.
Trump mismanaged a lot at the end of his presidency.

Speaker 2 The economy was in this game.

Speaker 2 And then, and then

Speaker 2 he was handling his handling of it. Just listen, and then you'll be able to hear it better.

Speaker 2 And then he hands this crisis, obviously, to Biden. And then throughout Biden's term, every single economic analysis shows that we were outperforming every other nation in getting inflation down.

Speaker 2 The speed we brought it down because it was a global phenomenon. I'm talking about macroeconomics.
You'll never apply that to Biden's economics.

Speaker 2 And then the recovery in general across all economic metrics. Biden way outperformed both expectations and every other country in the G7.

Speaker 2 And none of y'all ever acknowledge that. And then he hands an economy that had job growth throughout his entire presidency.
The last job lost month was at the end of Trump's term.

Speaker 2 He hands that to Trump and lo and behold, during COVID.

Speaker 2 I think you're kind of making my point. Wait, wait, wait, wait.

Speaker 6 Last point.

Speaker 2 All right. And then Trump loses jobs right when he gets back into office this term.
Here we go. Okay.

Speaker 2 Now.

Speaker 2 Does Zina have a point that I would like. Zena, would you like to weigh in at all? Hi.
I'm here too. She concurs.

Speaker 6 You know, a lot of what Luke said, you know, I gotta agree with other lib, but another point, I just really want to get this question answered.

Speaker 2 Michael, who eats the tariff cost?

Speaker 2 So tariffs are absorbed right now. It can be a number of people, but right now, the tariffs are being absorbed by the companies.
I know this because I'm one of them. Why? By Americans.

Speaker 2 Well, I'm an American.

Speaker 6 By working-class Americans, according to the CBO and according to the federal government.

Speaker 2 No, the tariffs were deflationary, according to the San Francisco tariff. It came out last week.

Speaker 6 So it's really interesting because whenever you pull up a stat, it's directly like contradictory to every big economist.

Speaker 2 Which economist?

Speaker 6 So again, we're talking about like these big economists.

Speaker 2 Which economists would you want to name?

Speaker 6 I'm talking about the Congressional Budget Office.

Speaker 2 Can you not name one of those economists to refer to?

Speaker 6 Mark Zandi, as well. Do you know who Mark Zandi is?

Speaker 2 Mark Zandy. Tell me about Mark.

Speaker 6 Mark Zandi explains how Trump's policy is not only expected to increase inflation another 1% next year.

Speaker 2 Expected to. But we're talking about real cost inflation.

Speaker 6 Let me finish. Because you had a monologue already.

Speaker 2 Let me answer to his silly point.

Speaker 6 So, right. So, let me answer to your point now.

Speaker 6 So, Mark Zandi, not only does he project inflation increasing, but it's already increased from before due to his tariffs, as well as the fact that he notes that these tariffs are being majority eaten by American because of because of the fact that our goods are being priced higher because corporations want to make up for the profit, right, that they are experiencing loss from because of the tariffs, right?

Speaker 6 Americans are, look at your grocery prices. Everyone here buys groceries, and you guys know that there's been a difference, right? This is due to tariff policy.

Speaker 6 It's always been inflationary, and majority of the biggest economic heads agree with this.

Speaker 2 Unfortunately, the Federal Reserve disagrees. Okay, that's not true.

Speaker 2 So, listen, someone bring out Google completely. Questions, here we go.
Questions. Enough aloud.
Questions. Okay, first, peace be with you, Michael.

Speaker 10 So, I think

Speaker 2 what all of this surrounds, and I'm going to go completely off topic, but it's all relevant.

Speaker 2 I think that's the theme of the night. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 10 So I think there's three kinds of people in the world. I think there are people who believe in God and act in that way.

Speaker 2 I think there are people who are atheistic and they don't follow God.

Speaker 10 And I think there are people who know God exists, but are actively seeking to deprive the world of God

Speaker 2 because they have...

Speaker 10 They're very small, but

Speaker 10 it's just the spirit of Cain. It's just like pure evil.
And those people, and they know that God exists, but they hate it and they want to take it from us.

Speaker 2 So do you think a group like that could exist?

Speaker 2 I do. I mean, there's the occult.
So there are people who worship Satan, for instance.

Speaker 2 They're like witches and stuff.

Speaker 2 A lot of the times they are atheists. They're like edgy atheists who want to be really cool and they end up inadvertently like worshiping the devil.
So that's bad.

Speaker 10 Do you think any of those people have positions of authority then, I guess?

Speaker 2 Do you think that the occult has penetrated our systems of power,

Speaker 10 whatever you want to call it, just

Speaker 2 evil? I think that's the real world.

Speaker 2 I think Trump is evil and I think he took over the government.

Speaker 6 I would love to respond to this though. Please, please.
You're talking about something that is a lot bigger than the topics that we have discussing today.

Speaker 6 And you can call it God, you can call it spirit or whatever you want to. But good.

Speaker 6 But

Speaker 6 there is bad in this world. And what we notice is that a lot of bad corresponds with amassing huge amounts of power in places where a lot of people don't have similar amounts of power.

Speaker 6 In this country, 1% of the population has accumulated more than half of the wealth that exists in this entire population of over 300 million Americans.

Speaker 6 There are Americans that are starving, right, and have been starving and have existed in cycles of poverty for years and years and years that dates back to an era.

Speaker 6 where people were enslaved and didn't have ownership of their work.

Speaker 6 The people who owned that capital that came from that era have generations and lineages that are still in power and still exist in that 1% today.

Speaker 2 So, what do you think we should do? Should we just get rid of them?

Speaker 2 What's your solution?

Speaker 6 This is a really good solution. I think the solution does not lie.

Speaker 6 Well, this is where you've been calling me a lib this whole time. I hate to say it, but I think I might be a lib.
No, not you, sorry. I think Michael, you've been calling me a lib this whole time.

Speaker 6 I hate to break it to you. It might be a little bit worse than that.

Speaker 2 What are you?

Speaker 6 I mean,

Speaker 6 I would call myself a leftist, meaning that

Speaker 6 I believe that, trust me, it's not. I believe that this problem lies beyond party bounds, and it's bigger than that.

Speaker 6 And I think that this is a problem that has to do with class inequality, that breeds race inequality, that breeds gender inequality.

Speaker 6 All these things come from the same source, and that is drastic power imbalance. So, I completely agree with you, and I think that this problem has nothing to do with red or blue.

Speaker 6 So, I think it has to do with

Speaker 2 becoming conscious of this fact and banding together this has to do with all of us this has nothing to do with red and blue great point and it is weird that i know a lot of people support trump thinking that it's because you're populist or he's going to be good for the working class i don't want to spoil what my next claim is but you love spoiling the claims because you keep changing the topic every time we speak it is weird because um

Speaker 2 trump just and her point about the top one percent it's not that people can't do well But Trump, in a time of record income inequality, just passed something that gives a trillion just to the top top 1% in tax breaks while taking a trillion out of Medicaid.

Speaker 2 That's not a pro-working class, pro-average American populist thing to do. He's serving the elites, the same billionaires who were all around him at his inauguration.
He is their president.

Speaker 2 And anyone in this audience who still supports him after him screwing you over and taking your money to give it to wealthy people, you're being duped badly.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's where massive tax cuts also for working class Americans included for Trump and the majority. Next question, working class Americans lose money and the riches gained in that bill.

Speaker 11 Yeah, so I've I've had a couple drinks. So I'm going to keep things high level, not as deep as last time.

Speaker 2 That's good. That's good.

Speaker 11 You also find common sense questions tend to be the left's crip tonight. I find myself a common sense individual, which is why I vote Republican.

Speaker 11 My question is, you said two things tonight. One, you couldn't go three seconds without saying no kings earlier tonight.

Speaker 11 And you just brought it up again where you said Trump's evil and took over the government.

Speaker 11 I find this very ironic and comical because because the left tends to just want to continue to give government more power and more power and more power and basically just ask them what they should do with their life and how to pay for it.

Speaker 11 And you see that with the

Speaker 11 New York City vote that just happened.

Speaker 11 And I guess I just want to know where the common sense is coming from on you can say no kings to Trump, who if he was a king, he wouldn't know, he would have just waved the wand and there would have been no government shutdown.

Speaker 11 And at the same time, ask the government to be bigger and bigger and bigger and solve all your problems for you.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so Trump keeps expanding the power of the government too. I mean, he's the most authoritarian president we had in a really long time.
So you don't really care that I'm not gonna

Speaker 2 explain it

Speaker 2 bill.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 Sending in, you just asked how.

Speaker 2 Sending in the military, for example, to American streets. But where's the common sense? I can tell you where the common sense is.
I think we should be allocating our resources to uplifting and

Speaker 2 economic stimulus, which is why the economy performs better under Democrats, despite the whole monologue that Michael went on. The history lesson he called it.

Speaker 2 If we lean into demand-side, which you had to come up with like a hundred excuses for why Republicans always fail in the economy, but demand-side economics, where you actually invest, where people are going to spend that dollar the quickest through social programs, people need it instead of just keeping in an account somewhere.

Speaker 2 That's actually dollar for dollar way more stimulative. So I think instead of huge tax breaks to the top 1%,

Speaker 2 I think that we should be allocating those resources to, at the very least, not taking away health care from 16 million Americans.

Speaker 11 I mean, that would be pretty common sense to be funneling it overseas to random non-government organizations, right?

Speaker 2 So, but what does that have to do with, are you okay with millions of poor Americans losing their health coverage because they wanted to give tax breaks to the top 1%? Of course not.

Speaker 2 No, I just, yeah, I don't think that's a good thing. And then we agree.
And Trump's bill is insane for that. Then we agree.
That's awesome.

Speaker 11 No, I think there's common sense things you can do with every dollar Americans pay.

Speaker 2 Giving it in the form of more tax breaks to the top 1% when they're richer than ever doesn't doesn't seem very common sense.

Speaker 2 Luke, is it the top 1% of the world? The thing is, I think we agree on tips. Like, there's probably a lot of tips on overtime.
There's a lot of things we disagree on. Child tax policy.

Speaker 2 Sure, because I think on reigning

Speaker 2 elites, we should all agree. You're listening about

Speaker 2 disagree is I don't think you have the qualifications. But I'm not even referring to that yet.
I'm saying

Speaker 2 that at all. Do you know the combined...
Wait, what'd you say? Sorry.

Speaker 11 Where we disagree is I don't think I have the qualifications or credentials or you to talk about fiscal policy at all.

Speaker 2 And you think Trump does? He thinks the word groceries.

Speaker 2 I agree with that.

Speaker 2 He thinks groceries is like a new word that he invented.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Crickets, crickets. Okay, next question.

Speaker 2 If that's not true.

Speaker 12 My question for Michael is, what watch are you wearing this evening?

Speaker 6 It's an ad?

Speaker 2 Now, listen.

Speaker 2 Listen.

Speaker 2 You know I'm an author. I am a best-selling author of two books, one that doesn't have any words in it called Reasons to Vote for Democrats.
Hold on. I'm going to explain it.

Speaker 2 Reasons to Vote for Democrats, which it's entirely made of blank pages, and it sold a lot of copies. And my thesis is being proven very strong tonight, I think.

Speaker 2 Then I wrote another book with words that was due on the same day as my baby.

Speaker 2 And because of the great sale, because Democrats sold so many books for me, and because of the great Trump economy in 2021, I'm wearing a Rolex date chest.

Speaker 2 So to be clear, so to be clear, while millions of low-income Americans are losing their health coverage because of Trump's bill, he's getting a lot richer because of that same thing.

Speaker 2 Illegal aliens might be losing their health coverage, but other Americans are losing. That's not true.
Real Americans are. 16 million citizens.
Next question.

Speaker 2 Wait, wait, Michael. Enough, enough for you.
Next question. Let's go.

Speaker 2 Do you notice how he can't answer?

Speaker 2 He loves the word alien.

Speaker 2 Hello, everyone.

Speaker 14 Thanks so much for taking all of our questions and for having so many interesting things to talk about. But in all of the complexity of conversation, nobody has asked directly, what is capitalism?

Speaker 14 And can you explain the differences between Democrats and Republican thinking?

Speaker 2 I want to go. Zina.

Speaker 6 This is my thing. Everybody.
Capitalism is an economic system in which the means of production are owned privately.

Speaker 6 Think of means of production as factories, as land, as the things that we use to create, it's capital, right? The things that we use to create capital.

Speaker 6 These things, this means production are owned by a very small fuel. Not many people own the means of production.
Most of us are selling our labor.

Speaker 6 Like, for example, most of you guys have a nine-to-five that you go and you get a kind of a wage back, right, from capitalists, those who own the means of production.

Speaker 6 The problem is, we assume that people who own the means of production earn that somehow.

Speaker 6 When really, the people who did first acclaim the majority of these resources, it happened a long time ago, and they kept passing it down generation, generation, generations.

Speaker 6 The problem is, people who first came here, They did a lot of bad stuff. They took a lot of land and their ancestors still owned that land.

Speaker 2 They They were heroes.

Speaker 2 Wait, wait, wait.

Speaker 6 The people who slaughtered a bunch of people and then took all their land and then started profiting off of it and then also selling people's labor and their livelihoods for money. Those are heroes.

Speaker 6 Interesting point.

Speaker 2 The Indians slaughtered a lot of people, too, if we're being totally honest about you. Do we want to compare numbers?

Speaker 6 I don't think that it would look good, right?

Speaker 2 Well, we won the wars.

Speaker 6 Yeah, you won the war by doing what, Michael?

Speaker 6 Well, by settling the land and building a great country that you live in and spreading land that people were already living on, by killing them, spreading the demand towards them, and also women.

Speaker 6 So yeah.

Speaker 2 Where did you get that? That happened all the time.

Speaker 2 That's what capitalism is. I have a question to yourself.

Speaker 6 Republicans and Democrats both support capitalism, right? Of course.

Speaker 6 But capitalism is a system that is exceedingly failing as the gap between us and the 1% and people who own all this capital continues to increase, increase, increase.

Speaker 6 What's going to happen, especially as AI comes along, that continues to be able to do your job, is that 1% of the population is going to own all that AI that can do your jobs.

Speaker 6 And what happens then when they can create the labor and supply it for themselves?

Speaker 2 Okay, Xena,

Speaker 2 for your point. So you say that capitalism is where

Speaker 2 the means of production are owned privately. I agree with that.
And you say that a very, very small number of people own the means of production.

Speaker 2 So my question to you is: how many Americans invest in the stock market?

Speaker 6 How many Americans have the means to invest in the stock market? How many Americans have

Speaker 6 you invested in the stock market? market?

Speaker 2 What's the answer?

Speaker 6 Majority of Americans are broke.

Speaker 2 What is the answer? What percentage of Americans invest in the stock market?

Speaker 6 Not many, because not many people are.

Speaker 2 62%. So most Americans own the means of investing in the market.
And how many Americans and how many Americans and how many Americans are profiting significantly from the market?

Speaker 2 62% because we have the highest stock market ever in the world.

Speaker 6 What does it mean that everyone is profiting from the stock market? They are.

Speaker 2 Everyone who's invested in the means invested in the SP is doing great. Dude, that was a horrible thing.
It is time for round three.

Speaker 2 Oh, Michael, Michael.

Speaker 2 Who won the round? Oh, who won the round? I thought it was a given. I thought it was a given.
Okay.

Speaker 2 I'm seeing a lot. Okay, I'm seeing a lot of red.
That's great. Thank you.
Appreciate that.

Speaker 2 Who wins the VIP round?

Speaker 2 I'm going to say the watch guy. The watch guy wins it because he has good taste.

Speaker 2 Where's the watch guy?

Speaker 2 And now,

Speaker 2 without further ado, it's time for round three.

Speaker 2 Okay, I'm going to go first on this one because I don't know if this is going to be a winner, and I think I'm actually on the lib side for this one, but I'm right. My argument is,

Speaker 2 my argument is,

Speaker 2 they know it, they see it coming. They read my Twitter.
I think that HOAs are awesome, and I love them, and I hate the options.

Speaker 2 I can't

Speaker 2 be be dragged out of here and killed by the audience. Okay.
All right, Xena. All right, listen, guys.

Speaker 6 We've already done my third topic. Let's get back to toxic masculinity again, am I right?

Speaker 6 We've already done.

Speaker 6 Come on, people.

Speaker 2 All right. Okay.

Speaker 2 We got a bar full of people.

Speaker 2 And you want us to debate HOAs. And how awesome they are.
It got them rowdier than anything tonight.

Speaker 2 Okay, my third claim is: Trump hates the working class. You get the gist on that one.

Speaker 2 That kind of fired him up. That fired him up a little bit, too.
I don't. Mr.
Davies, who was it? Toxic masculinity. It's tough because I'm in the corner.
I feel like I'm getting biased.

Speaker 2 I got to be like right in the middle for the decibel here.

Speaker 2 What does it sound like in the middle of the room? You know what we're talking about?

Speaker 6 Toxic masculinity.

Speaker 2 Toxicity. Toxic masculinity.

Speaker 2 But I wanted to go back to. No, enough.

Speaker 2 We have enough articles.

Speaker 2 I kind of felt like Luke's topic won it. Trump hates the working class.
No, you agree? No, all right. You all disagree.
That's fine. You want to do toxic masculinity? Yay!

Speaker 2 That's fine. All right, Xena, what's your point?

Speaker 6 Listen,

Speaker 6 men are four times more likely to commit suicide than women. And the CDC attributes this to hyper-toxic masculine norms that have been spread amongst Western society.

Speaker 6 So what we're seeing right now is that, and listen, we're all the men out here.

Speaker 2 I wanna hear it from the men out here. Where are the men? All right?

Speaker 6 This is a woman, this is a feminist, right? Arguing for you. I don't like that you guys are not allowed to express your emotions.
I don't like the times that you feel insecure or sad or

Speaker 6 you can't express that. Where does that energy go? Oftentimes, that leads to men's deaths in bars

Speaker 6 when they feel this pent-up anger that they can't release in normal, regulated ways and i don't think that's okay a lot of men are turning into these podcasters who tell them these narratives about how women are out to get them and and that's actually what's inhibiting you from getting laid let me tell you okay women don't like that what i'm telling let's be honest within the context of marriage she meant let's be honest i think that's what she meant let's be honest let's be honest let's be honest you want to get laid and you don't want to be sad you don't want to be a hyper toxic man that's my that's my case i think it's it's a pretty good one.

Speaker 6 So

Speaker 2 Okay, so we got to drill down. What do you mean? It's a very loaded term.
What do you mean by toxic masculinity?

Speaker 6 I think toxic masculinity is an accumulation of norms that say things like men should never be allowed to cry. It's a sign of total weakness.
It's it's a failure on a man's part.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 6 A lot of people say that. In fact, podcasters with millions of followers say that.

Speaker 2 Okay, now I have a question for you. So that's a good place to start.
So you're saying men shouldn't repress their emotions and they should have some feels. Okay.

Speaker 2 So curiously enough, there was a study in 2021 at a UCLA. And the study, I said, uh-oh, no, no science here.
So there was a study, and it measured emotional repression in men and what that does.

Speaker 2 And what it found out is that emotional repression in men is not correlated really with bad outcomes. It's correlated with better executive function.
It's correlated with better goal-orientedness.

Speaker 2 It's correlated with better satisfaction.

Speaker 2 This was backed up in 2023 by a study out of Germany, which showed that emotional repression in men was was associated with greater relaxation and less stress throughout all points of the study.

Speaker 6 Okay, so you're telling me that suppressing your nervous system and not regulating your emotions. Yeah, yeah.
So your emotions have to do with your nervous system.

Speaker 2 No, but they're more than you. Right, so yeah, there's

Speaker 6 a component, so why did you say no? Anyway,

Speaker 6 so with that being said, so you're saying that suppressing your emotions and not releasing them, which means emotional dysregulation

Speaker 6 dysregulation. Emotional repression is emotional dysregulation.

Speaker 2 Do you know what emotional?

Speaker 6 Women and men are different on a mosaic basis. A lot of the traits that men exhibit in the brain are very similar to the traits that women have.

Speaker 6 And the vast differences in violence that are perpetuated against men cannot be explained by the differences that come from the brain. Biologists and psychologists agree on this.

Speaker 6 What's happening is that norms in society reinforce negative behavior from men. And once again, the CDC agrees with me, right?

Speaker 6 So again, when you call emotional repression emotional regulation, you're committing a fallacy that's not only harmful, but it's okay.

Speaker 2 Let's just try to define our terms then, because that's very important.

Speaker 2 It seems to me that when I really want to have an outburst, I want to yell, I want to cry, I want to beat the table with my emotions.

Speaker 2 If I suppress that, and if I say, no, Michael, don't do that, you're going to look ridiculous, you're going to look like you're on the other side of the aisle, then what I am doing is I am controlling my emotions.

Speaker 2 In other words, and when you control something, you are regulating that thing. So that's what the word.

Speaker 6 That's regulation, that's not repression.

Speaker 2 But you said emotional. I'm saying that's emotional regulation, and you said it's the opposite.
So right.

Speaker 6 So you cited some study, which I'm going to have to look up after this, right? That says that emotional repression is somehow emotional regulation, which is not true. Repression is a relationship.

Speaker 2 No, no, no, no.

Speaker 6 Emotional repression is entirely different. If you're talking about emotional regulations,

Speaker 6 repression is entirely different, right? I'm talking about these ideas of men not being able to exhibit emotions like sadness.

Speaker 6 Sadness is an important emotion that all humans, regardless of sex, experience. Can everyone agree that sadness is a normal human emotion?

Speaker 2 Yeah, we feel it. Yeah, we feel it.

Speaker 6 Okay, perfect. So when you experience sadness, doesn't mean that we need to have an outburst every single time.
There are many different ways to regulate your nervous system.

Speaker 6 That includes deep breaths, but that doesn't mean that you should go your entire life as a male without crying. That is not normal and it is unhuman.

Speaker 2 No one says you're not. I'm talking about it.
A lot of things do that.

Speaker 2 Okay, so let me just say, I think a part of what she's talking about is there is a group. Oh, is there more drinks for me? Yes.
You're too. Another one.

Speaker 2 There is a

Speaker 2 real All-Stars of the Night, right?

Speaker 2 This is for you, Michael. There is a group of influencers who try to tell a generation of young men that the source of their problem.
Just let me get through this and I'm going to throw it to you.

Speaker 2 I didn't interrupt. What was he accusing me for? I didn't interrupt at all.
Just, you know, getting prepared.

Speaker 2 That the source of men's problem is that women, like for example, on Tucker Carlson's recent interview with Nick Fuentes, Nick said, the source of men not being able to find relationships is women essentially are the problem and they're getting too loud or whatever.

Speaker 2 So I'd be curious to ask you, because this is, you know, a little bit of a debate on your side, where do you stand on Nick Fuentes?

Speaker 2 He's not like my best buddy, I guess you would have to say.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I wouldn't say we get along very well. Okay.
No. No.

Speaker 2 Wait, wait. But he has half a point on the women, which is that the problems in relationships are basically half caused by women and half-cause by the women's men.

Speaker 2 But now we're hearing the problems about the guys.

Speaker 2 That's the problem. There is.
You got to listen more closely.

Speaker 2 There is a whole message about how, I guess they've just become too liberal or they're taking birth control and sleeping around the town too much.

Speaker 2 And I think that a message to men about taking ownership, becoming better men, and becoming more appealing in the world is much more compelling than this sort of

Speaker 2 Nick Funtes does about how, oh, it said, oh, woe is me, my whole life is so hard getting girls.

Speaker 6 I mean, over the half of the people in this bar are women, and I'm sure

Speaker 2 a lot of us recognize there are a lot of problems with the dating pool nowadays.

Speaker 6 I mean, there are like a lot of things that women can express that we have issues with coming from men, but we don't take this drastic stance that men are the root of all evil and they're destroying the world.

Speaker 6 I mean, clearly, I don't think that's any of our position.

Speaker 6 So it's it's really interesting that these incels and these these podcasters are making the exact opposite point and it's actually getting to the point where we're seeing men in bursts of anger again getting to my point going out and actually killing women out of anger these we're seeing influxes of these cases especially since you know recent events that's not okay

Speaker 6 didn't you just say men kill themselves and men die rapid women and men dying relationships here's the funny thing here's the thing men kill themselves and other men and disproportionately kill women as well so when it comes to killing men they top the charts that's the problem yeah let's be clear we love violence and and stronger than women.

Speaker 2 We love them. We're big on, we love men.

Speaker 6 Me and Luke are besties.

Speaker 2 We love men. I just don't want y'all to misconstrue.
We just want them to take ownership, but we love them. Right.
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 So, look, in defense of some of the reactions to feminism that you're pointing out, I think for a lot of men, obviously anything that's toxic is bad for you, so no one likes that.

Speaker 2 But you have to drill down. So like to the point when you said that, well, toxic masculinity is when you don't cry a lot or whatever.

Speaker 2 I say, well, actually, no, it's actually good for men to control themselves. That's a healthy masculinity.

Speaker 2 And I think a lot of of what men are feeling, especially young men are feeling, is they've been told for their whole lives that they've been told from their teachers, from the media, from the government, that they are evil, that there's something wrong with them, and that they need to be more effeminate and that they need to be less manly.

Speaker 2 You can deny it, but I think they've heard that.

Speaker 2 Luke gets to finish his point. I think this bell is rigged.
He started talking.

Speaker 2 I'm going to carry that around every time I'm around Luke, actually.

Speaker 2 You can finish your point. What? I can't.
Yes. Oh, good.
No, I... Did you, did you have? I mean, you shouldn't be telling, men, you you don't need to be more effeminate, be whatever you are.

Speaker 2 But I think it's more like there are a whole group of people saying women should go back to being men's property. So you denounce that, right?

Speaker 2 What?

Speaker 2 I think they should go back to being our wives. I think that's a good idea.
See, you don't even answer it. I'm so sad.
Yeah, I don't think they should be property. I think they should be wives.

Speaker 2 It's more fun to have a wife than property. Yes.
Well, that's good evening.

Speaker 2 How are you? I'm good.

Speaker 2 I also would love to talk about how sick Fuentes is, but first we need to talk about how

Speaker 12 HOAs are, actually. actually.

Speaker 2 Hey,

Speaker 2 now that'll

Speaker 2 pressing point immediately to my family.

Speaker 12 Actually, my family all lives in Pennsylvania. I'm alone.

Speaker 2 But regardless, okay. Michael Knowles, give me your case for HOAs.
HOAs, this is what, and now you're going to hate me for this. I don't care.

Speaker 2 Okay, they hated him because he spoke the truth, and I'm telling you the truth here. The HOA is

Speaker 2 a dividing line between the real conservatives and the libertarians, the Elworldians.

Speaker 2 Because let me tell you what. Let me tell you why.
They say, oh, you like HOAs, you're a communist. I'm not a communist.
I don't want to live in a commune. I want to live in a nice neighborhood.

Speaker 2 And standards are good. I don't want to walk outside my house and see some ugly, stupid, lib Lego house that they keep building.
I don't want to see

Speaker 2 a dumb pride flag. I don't want to see any of that, okay? And so I like local governance to say, no, we have standards in this neighborhood.
I don't want them to build some monstrosity next to me.

Speaker 2 All home renovations make the homes worse 100% of the time these days because people don't have taste.

Speaker 2 I want

Speaker 2 not just merely the individual liberty, really licentiousness to put up a bunch of dumb signs in my yard. I want the exalted liberty to live in a beautiful neighborhood.

Speaker 2 And when my neighbors want to screw up my view, I can tell them no. And I bring down the full force of Francisco Franco upon them.

Speaker 2 That's awesome.

Speaker 2 So, if I have the obligation to obey the HOA, does the HOA have the obligation to subsidize my obligation? No, in fact, you have to pay taxes to the HOA. So

Speaker 2 I just need to pay them to obey what the laws that they set out. Yeah.
And that you set out. Because you could write that.
As a member of my HOA community. I mean, look,

Speaker 2 after reconverting to Catholicism, I am no longer a libertarian.

Speaker 2 No longer libertarian. You're about to be HOA-pilled fast.

Speaker 2 Catholicism is the first step to taking the H-pill.

Speaker 12 I do have an HOA and they do subsidize like tons of stuff, but I also live in a condo.

Speaker 2 So like

Speaker 12 that kind of relationship makes a lot of sense. But if I'm talking about like a home in a development,

Speaker 12 if someone is going to tell me, oh, your grass has to be this height, Like, I don't know, you're going to F and mow it for me if I'm a single mom with nine kids.

Speaker 2 But obviously that's an extreme example. But you know what I mean? Yeah, well, listen, think about it the other way, though.

Speaker 2 Everyone always thinks of it as I'm being controlled by the HOA and I can't screw up my house and put up a dumb pride flag or whatever. But think about it the other way.

Speaker 2 You get to control your neighbors and you get to make sure that like crazy libs don't move into your neighborhood and they don't build a bunch of monstrosities next to you that make your life worse every time you open your window.

Speaker 2 I'm a great neighbor. I want you to know that.
I'm a little sick of this. I'm a little sick of this.

Speaker 2 But I did, he told me we were into HOA, so I looked up some stuff about HOAs that I didn't know, right? And now I'm very passionate that I'm against you. No! You're a despicable person!

Speaker 2 No, I thought I'm sick and tired of the sink side here.

Speaker 2 No, I'm not. Now the main problem, I think, is that they, so it starts with the developer, right? Then they hand it over to some group of homeowners.
Some carry on. The subscriber.
Some carriers.

Speaker 2 And the problem with it, the reason why people don't like it is... All the homeowners don't actually get a say in it.

Speaker 2 A lot of these HOAs have like three board members for a bunch of homes, and then they just lord over everyone and no one wants that because this is America.

Speaker 2 But with that being said, there should be HOAs. They should just be democratic among all the homeowners.

Speaker 6 It seems the masses are turning blue.

Speaker 2 I don't know. Hold on, are you now what side are you on? Don't fence it on an important question like the HOAs.

Speaker 6 Where do I stand on HOAs?

Speaker 2 You're with me and you know it. You just don't want to admit it.
You don't want to admit it.

Speaker 6 It's interesting because I'm a person of the people. So it's like whatever the people...

Speaker 2 You're going to become a Republican to pander to the people, to the libertarians.

Speaker 6 I mean, hey, I wouldn't go so far as to say I'm a grifter, but like, I mean, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 I would say, you know.

Speaker 6 I mean, I don't live in a lot of communities where I'm very scared of my neighbors like putting up something that I'm so afraid of that it's like going to like lower

Speaker 2 the value.

Speaker 6 You know what I'm saying? Like, put up the pride flag.

Speaker 2 I mean that's personally me and I'm not sure. What about a trumpet?

Speaker 2 That's where I cross the line. There you go.
You know you're crossing alive. Here we go.
Here we go. Crossing align there.
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Speaker 7 I need us to start applauding for the lib topics. Because I listen to Michael talk every day, so I know what he thinks.
I want to know what he thinks against what they think.

Speaker 2 So, please help me out. We're not cheering for them, we're cheering for their topics.

Speaker 7 I don't think that was clearly communicated before.

Speaker 2 And you listen every day. I love that.
That's great.

Speaker 7 I tell people that Michael Knowles is my internet dad.

Speaker 2 Stop. When I don't know what to do, I just listen to Michael Knowles and he tells me what to do.
Something's wrong with you. That's good.

Speaker 2 Well, the only thing is I'm not Catholic, so I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 Not yet, but hey, that's good.

Speaker 6 I'll take it.

Speaker 2 That's good. I'll take it.
We all love Jesus.

Speaker 7 All right. So, my question is for you.

Speaker 7 I am a recently converted financial professional. I was a studio art major at Liberty University, lost my job unexpectedly, and then girl bossed my way into finance.

Speaker 7 I'm surrounded by men all the time. They talk about football.
I don't know what the heck's going on most of the time.

Speaker 7 But I do know that there are two ETFs that people love: the Nancy Pelosi one, N-A-N-C, and the Cruise one, K-R-U-Z. Since inception, 2023, Nancy Pelosi's ETF has a return of 19%.

Speaker 7 The Cruise one only has like 13 to 16% range since inception.

Speaker 7 My question is: your claim before was that Republicans are what for the economy?

Speaker 2 Better. Oh, worse.
Better? That's a Freudian slip. I know what it is.
Freudian slip is what that's called.

Speaker 2 Well, here's my question.

Speaker 7 If Republicans are worse for the economy, then how come Nancy Pelosi's tracker is doing so much better than the Republican one?

Speaker 2 By almost three years. Democrats are better at the economy.
That's why.

Speaker 2 No, because I don't even know where

Speaker 2 the economy is insider training corrupt information. Yeah, so insider trading is horrible.
I think Nancy Pelosi shouldn't be able to do that.

Speaker 2 I think every member of Congress shouldn't be able to do that. Obviously.
The mayor is more and more even anything. Okay, wait.

Speaker 2 Democrats have been fighting for that a heck of a lot longer than Republicans have.

Speaker 2 And the reason I don't like it is because it could lead to corruption, which is also why I don't like Trump's meme coin, his UA

Speaker 2 etc.

Speaker 2 His UA what? His AI, I should say, his AI chips deal

Speaker 2 with the UAE and his open brazen corruption with funneling money to. So it's the same reason I don't like the Pelosi stuff or anyone else using their insider information.
I think it should be banned.

Speaker 2 I don't think Trump would ever sign that into law. I don't think Trump should be profiting off of his presidency either.

Speaker 2 So do you think that's a very reasonable point, but do you think, like with Pelosi, I think we're all just admitting she obviously insider trades and it's totally ridiculous. It's too good.

Speaker 2 People with that are 401ks and they're making so much money. Yeah, she's like the best hedge fund manager in the country.

Speaker 2 But with Trump, it's not to say that there aren't questions, you know, about he obviously is an international businessman. He has the crypto thing.
He has all that. I'm just saying.

Speaker 2 You're against it, though. You can't be against it for Pelosi and then for Trump.
No, no, I guess I think what Pelosi is doing is illegal for every American other than members of Congress.

Speaker 2 And what Trump is doing is really not illegal in any way. So you might say you don't like it.
You might say we should pass laws against it. No, there's plenty of laws.

Speaker 7 Isn't it also true true that Trump is the only president to take a pay cut in office? So why?

Speaker 2 That's not true. He's just selling money right now.

Speaker 4 I'm just an art major, dude.

Speaker 2 His net worth has increased by billions just since he got in office. So, I mean, just be consistent.
I've been very consistent. Be consistent.
I am consistent.

Speaker 2 If you didn't want story about Hunter Biden, you better be 100 times as outraged at Trump.

Speaker 2 going, getting the UAE to invest billions, make his World Liberty Financial billions in a business deal, and and then immediately all of a sudden he releases the restrictions on the AI chips that they really wanted and which could then get into China's hands because he was enriched.

Speaker 2 Same thing with the Binance guy. He ends up pardoning the guy after

Speaker 2 Binance makes a bunch of money for World Liberty Financial. That's brazen corruption, right? Yeah, I guess

Speaker 2 my point is

Speaker 2 on some of these... No, I don't.
You know, on a lot of these financial dealings of Trump, a lot of it occurred during the interregnum. You know, the crypto thing occurred before he was brought in.

Speaker 2 No, no, not the UAE deal. Oh, I'm sorry.
I thought you brought up crypto earlier, which is usually the one that most people are going to be doing.

Speaker 2 I'm saying, how could you justify someone giving benefits to either people through pardons or countries through restriction relief after that country or that person enriches his family to the tune of billions?

Speaker 2 Yeah, listen, I think that President Trump has done a very good job being an international businessman, leveraging relationships for the good of the U.S.

Speaker 2 I think that's true. And what I also think about...

Speaker 2 Wait, were you ever mad about Hunter Biden and Joe Biden? Yeah, I was mad that the Biden family sold American. I think they took me seriously and fired a Ukrainian official

Speaker 2 in order to enrich his sons. Yeah, I think those are different.

Speaker 2 Biden was,

Speaker 2 you never found evidence linking him to Hunter, but even so. Never found evidence.
The money went straight to his house. That's not true.
It did. It did.
It wrote a speech. A reimbursement of a loan.

Speaker 2 But after all of y'all made of that, a whole big scandal, and then Trump takes all over, and there's no ambiguity. There's no.

Speaker 2 And his sons are going around the world making a bunch of money for his family, and then he's trading favorites. Yeah, listen, he has a very successful business, and his sons are businessmen.

Speaker 2 That's that's the best. Do you think back everything about Hunter? Certainly not.
That was brazen corruption. Why? What's the difference?

Speaker 2 What's the difference?

Speaker 2 Here's the difference. Here's the difference.
Eric and Donald Trump Jr. Someone in the crowd.
I'd love to hear you explain that. You're so mad and proud.
You don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker 2 Here's the difference. Eric and Donald Trump Jr.
have very long-standing business careers long before Donald Trump entered office.

Speaker 2 They don't have specific deals with people who need something from the government. They have the new deals.

Speaker 2 He doesn't want me to answer answer the question. He doesn't want me to answer the question.
You know what I'm talking about. Trump,

Speaker 2 I can tell you the difference if you want. You know what Trump's doing? He doesn't need big tech to censor or whatever.
He's censoring the media himself.

Speaker 2 That's good.

Speaker 2 Wait, is he

Speaker 2 not yes again?

Speaker 2 All right. Wait, let me.

Speaker 2 Luke successfully filibustered on the Trump.

Speaker 2 Okay. Yeah, I think it's pretty clear.
I think it's pretty clear who won that round, but

Speaker 2 I won't even.

Speaker 2 Oh, yes, in terms of us, who won the round? Wow, you know, I thought I was going to lose that because the HOA thing.

Speaker 2 It is still red. That's awesome.

Speaker 2 We have two libertarians up front who are disagreeing with me, but the rest understand. I think about HOA.

Speaker 2 I think, obviously, you know, who wins the question round? Wait.

Speaker 2 You know, it's so clear. My daughter obviously won the question round.
Great job. Great job, sweetie.

Speaker 2 The thing is, Michael, though. Michael, I do have a question for you, and

Speaker 6 your daughter, though. I mean,

Speaker 6 she explained that she switched from being an art student to, I believe, getting into finance, right? I mean, according to you, shouldn't she be training to be a wife?

Speaker 2 Well, I don't know. All ladies are training to be wives unless they're training for religious vocations or a sort of consecrated single life.

Speaker 2 But in the meantime, it's wonderful. She's a good idea.
She's got both practical skills to manage the home economy as well as artistic skills

Speaker 2 to promote the leisure of the household.

Speaker 6 Isn't it kind of feminist of her to pursue an occupation? I mean, isn't that a man's role?

Speaker 2 No, listen, it's very conservative to deal in the practical realities of a world. And she's a very young, lovely lady.
Do you think when she gets married, perhaps her career will change?

Speaker 6 Should women have occupations and pursue occupations in the workforce, or should they be

Speaker 2 generally speaking? And surveys reflect this, and common sense reflects this, women tend to be happier raising a family than working in the widget factory. Generally speaking, generally speaking.

Speaker 6 You should drop out, according to Michael.

Speaker 2 I'm not saying women should get married like 12 or drop out of school anymore.

Speaker 6 Michael is saying that you shouldn't pursue an occupation.

Speaker 2 You'd be happier being mothers.

Speaker 2 She's totally misstating what I said.

Speaker 6 I mean, no, no, you explained that women are happier being mothers, so they should stick to being mothers, right?

Speaker 2 This is a very young, lovely woman. I mean, can you answer that?

Speaker 6 Can you answer the question?

Speaker 2 I am answering the question. I don't think women should get married, you know, right when they pop out of the womb.
I mean, there are other things to do.

Speaker 2 They go to school.

Speaker 2 They can work jobs.

Speaker 2 Let me be clear.

Speaker 6 So before I have a family, I'm allowed to have a job, but then once I have a family, I'm not allowed anything.

Speaker 2 No, you're allowed. It just probably will not make you quite as happy as raising a family.

Speaker 6 I mean, I just want to to know, for the women in here, once you have a family, do you plan on quitting your job and then just...

Speaker 2 A lot of people are. So we're getting a little couple of mixed opinions.
I mean, I just...

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 that's right. I mean, I just think it's kind of ridiculous.

Speaker 6 I think it's kind of ridiculous to assume that women's sole function as a contributing member of society is to stay at home. I think that women are...

Speaker 6 duplicitous and we can thrive in so many different domains.

Speaker 2 Or duplicitous? Yeah. That means like deceitful and damaged.

Speaker 6 No, no, no.

Speaker 6 I believe that women have multiple... Sorry, I mean, I guess I must have misspoke.

Speaker 6 I mean, but anyway, I think that women have multiple different

Speaker 2 multiple.

Speaker 2 I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 Wait, you think that women are like mister?

Speaker 9 I'm here.

Speaker 2 I can chime in.

Speaker 6 I think that women have multiple different functions that they can display. There are multiple different strengths that women can have.
And I think that it's very interesting that conservative values

Speaker 6 seem to think that, like, women should stop. Women should stop working as soon as they have to do that.

Speaker 2 They can't even have a little bit of bread.

Speaker 2 I don't know. I think you're a pyromaniac in a field of straw men.
Okay, do we have any more questions?

Speaker 2 No. Okay, before we go, before we go, the VIP table, sitting there looking lovely.
lovely with that delicious redneck riviera bourbon. Thanks.
Do you have a question that we have not discussed?

Speaker 9 Well, now I have two things because we just talked about that.

Speaker 9 Conservative women don't think that you can't have a job.

Speaker 9 I think it's absolutely wonderful to have a job that you get satisfaction from if you don't have enough

Speaker 9 intellectual stimulation from taking care of a baby with ooh ooh ah ah.

Speaker 9 I definitely think that there's something magical about being home with your baby. Once you feel that pull, if you haven't had a baby yet, you just don't understand and that's the bottom line.

Speaker 9 But once you do, it's a beautiful thing and you'll definitely want to be home more often.

Speaker 9 Thankfully, I have my mom to watch my baby, so I will be going back to work because I have to at the moment. But the plan is to be at home with my baby when I can.

Speaker 9 Because there is something very wonderful about that connection with your child that you don't have with anyone else in the world, no matter how close your girlfriend group is.

Speaker 6 Well, miss, you sound a lot like a feminist right now, number one. It's only feminism that would allow you to ever have an occupation.

Speaker 2 Number one, gotta get a little revisionist

Speaker 2 let me finish let me finish let me finish let me finish let me finish whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa guys we were just on the same side a couple minutes ago too now number one the hoas are over number one

Speaker 6 number one that was number one feminism is the only reason that women even have had the chance to work ever and number two and number two is

Speaker 6 Feminists don't disagree. A lot of them, most feminists, I believe, have children.
Like a lot of of feminists have children. There's nothing wrong with having children.

Speaker 2 You know, there was a feminist.

Speaker 6 Anyone who told you

Speaker 6 that feminists believe that having children is immoral, that person is chronically online.

Speaker 2 They need to get off the internet.

Speaker 2 So there was a famous debate in the early feminist movement in the 1970s between Betty Friedan, the American feminist, and Simone de Beauvoir, one of the founders of modern feminism.

Speaker 2 I don't care, Michael. I know.

Speaker 2 But for the curious and intellectual people in the room, we're going to explain feminism. No, we're just saying we believe.
So Simone de Beauvoir, we believe, the founder,

Speaker 2 one of the founders of feminism, they had this debate and she said, listen, I don't think women should be able to stay at home with their kids. Are you debating her?

Speaker 2 My friends, my friends.

Speaker 2 You don't want to hear it because you're seemingly not going to be afraid of the moment. Are you debating her or are you debating me?

Speaker 2 Well, you said that feminism doesn't claim this. So I'm citing one of the foremost arguments on feminism ever to contradict your point, which is based on your subjective opinion.

Speaker 6 I don't think you would want to know what a lot of conservatives have said, because a lot of it has to do with racism and sexism.

Speaker 6 So it's like I'm not going to define you and your values on the future.

Speaker 2 No, you're going to fuck us because you don't want to hear my point.

Speaker 2 In my opinion, nobody wins a bar fight, enough from Luke. There are only losers.
So, who lost tonight? There's no winner, it's only losers. And we will have a show of cheers.

Speaker 2 You cheer for the biggest loser.

Speaker 2 What? Now, let's start with

Speaker 2 Luke.

Speaker 2 Who thinks Luke lost?

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 You cheer if he lost. Who thinks Luke lost?

Speaker 2 By the way, none of my viewers call me dad, and I'm really jealous of you. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 I'm like a baby. That's all right.

Speaker 2 They call you mama. Okay, Zena.
Zena, who thinks that Zena lost?

Speaker 2 Really? I would have voted for Luke. Okay, now I know I might actually pay for my HOA opinions right now.

Speaker 2 Who thinks I lost? Yeah!

Speaker 2 That was it.

Speaker 2 One woman alone might have cost me this debate.

Speaker 2 Was it, it was me? Did I lose?

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 2 Hold on. Okay, let's whittle it down.
I think somehow Luke escaped. I thought he lost.

Speaker 2 Let's whittle it down. It's between me and Xena.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Speaker 6 I think they just said that you lost, though. I think that's...

Speaker 2 No, but then they said no. Listen, I'll take it over the HOA.
You say, yeah, yes, no, no.

Speaker 2 Okay, hold on. All right.
Let's keep it fair. Let's keep it.
I'm already disappointed because I thought I wanted it to be Luke. Who says Xena lost?

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 It's very unchivalrous. I feel bad about that.
Who says that I lost?

Speaker 2 That's me, Earth. All right, back with a woman down center.
Single-handedly cost me this debate. That's life.
Okay, thank you very much to my guests for being here. Thank you to the VIP David.

Speaker 2 Thank you to all of you.

Speaker 2 See you at the next car fight.

Speaker 2 I love HOAs.

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