The Moth Radio Hour: Letting Go

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Speaker 4 From PRX, this is the Moth Radio Hour. I'm Jennifer Hickson.

Speaker 4 In this hour, stories of letting go, or trying to, releasing long-held beliefs, junk, hang-ups, grudges, or in the case of this first story, family traditions.

Speaker 4 Chris Foley told this for us at the Atlanta Moth Grand Slam, where we partner with Georgia Public Broadcasting. Before he starts, I need to give you a visual.
Chris is bald, bald as a ping-pong ball.

Speaker 4 Here's Chris Foley live at the Moth.

Speaker 3 I'm seven or eight years old. I'm watching my dad get ready for work.
He finishes shaving and he grabs his long hair on the one side of his head

Speaker 3 and carefully stretches it to the other side.

Speaker 3 He then takes a can of Aquinette

Speaker 3 and he sprays his hair and he pats it down on his his scalp.

Speaker 3 And I look up, Dad, what are you doing?

Speaker 3 I'm covering my bald spot.

Speaker 3 With off-family jeans, you're going to be doing the same thing one day.

Speaker 3 No, not me, Dad.

Speaker 3 I'm never losing my hair.

Speaker 3 Fast forward,

Speaker 3 I'm just 20 years old.

Speaker 3 I'm lifting weights with my friend Peter Brown in the gym, and I'm doing a bench press. He's spotting me, he starts laughing.
What's so funny? Foley, you're going bald.

Speaker 3 What? I run into the men's locker room, I look in the mirror, and I comb through my thick, wavy, reddish-brown hair, and there it is, my scalp showing on the crown of my head, and my heart sinks.

Speaker 3 Oh, shit. I go home for Christmas break.
I show this bald spot to my mother, and she says, oh no, oh no!

Speaker 3 we have to do something.

Speaker 3 My father's on the couch. Welcome to the club.

Speaker 3 Next day my mother takes me to the dermatologist.

Speaker 3 The doctor examines me,

Speaker 3 opens up a manila folder, he starts writing notes, doesn't say a word.

Speaker 3 I say, Doc, so am I going bald? Yep.

Speaker 3 And he writes me two prescriptions, gives me instructions, and one of the prescriptions is Rogaine, and the other one I don't recognize. I say, hey, Doc, what's the second prescription?

Speaker 3 He says, oh, right, that's for the acne all over your forehead.

Speaker 3 Nice meeting you.

Speaker 3 I take the Rogaine as prescribed with an eyedropper on my scalp twice a day, every day.

Speaker 3 And my hair grows back to the point where there's the faintest amount of scalp showing. I get eight good years at a road game

Speaker 3 until I'm 28.

Speaker 3 And I look in the mirror and there's a gap forming in the front part of my hair like the parting of the Red Sea.

Speaker 3 I go visit my parents, show it to my mother, and she goes, I've noticed, and I've been doing some research, there is a phenomenal doctor on Fifth Avenue who does hair transplants.

Speaker 3 I made you an appointment and I'm going to pay for the consultation. And my dad goes, whoa, whoa, whoa, hair transplant.
What are you talking about?

Speaker 3 Listen, Christopher, just grow your hair long, move it over,

Speaker 3 fluff it up.

Speaker 3 Now, by this point, 28 years old, I had learned that male pattern baldness is rampant on not only my father's side of my family, but also my mother's side with comb overs all through the family history.

Speaker 3 Grandparents, uncles, cousins, aunts.

Speaker 3 I'm determined. I am not going to get a comb over.
I'm going to do something about it. So I go to the consultation, the doctor examines me.
Mr. Foley, great news.
We can get you your hair back. Yes.

Speaker 3 All I have to do is make a four-inch incision in the back of your skull.

Speaker 3 And I'm going to transplant the hair to the front and the back where your hair is falling out. Oh,

Speaker 3 well, how much is that going to cost? Well, the first treatment is $10,000.

Speaker 3 I call my mother after the appointment. I I say, mom, $10,000 for the first appointment.

Speaker 3 I'll pay for it. Do it.
Do it.

Speaker 3 I decide not to get the hair transplant.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 I keep hanging on. Now I got to use more Rogaine because more hair is falling out.
It's this vicious cycle. Right after my 30th birthday, I go to a special hair salon and my stylist's name is Caramel.

Speaker 3 She's from Ireland. And before our next appointment, I say, hey, Carmel, can you be careful? It's thinning in the front.
Just be careful, be careful here, be careful there. And she obliges.

Speaker 3 That night, I go back to my apartment. I'm in the bathroom, and I'm shaving my pubic and back hair with my electric clippers.

Speaker 3 And I think about what Caramel said to me. earlier in our appointment.
When I was giving her directions and she cut me off, she said, darling, could I give you a suggestion?

Speaker 3 Just shave your fucking head.

Speaker 3 I turn those clippers back on.

Speaker 3 I go right to the sideburn, over the side, over the top, completely bald.

Speaker 3 Making me the first completely bald man in my family. The next day I go to work, all my coworkers, volate, looking good, nice head, looks good on you, all right.

Speaker 3 I'm strutting around the office like John Travolta.

Speaker 3 I get out of the shower each time, I pat my head dry, and it feels like a cool mountain breeze over my scalp.

Speaker 3 I go home to visit my parents. My mother opens the door, there's her bald son.
No!

Speaker 3 I go, yes!

Speaker 3 So today I'm married. My wife and I have a 17-month-old son.

Speaker 3 Yeah,

Speaker 3 well,

Speaker 3 I'll tell you,

Speaker 3 I don't know whose genes he's going to inherit, but if he inherits my genes and starts going bald at 20, I'm going to tell him, son, be bald, be proud. Thank you.

Speaker 4 That was Chris Foley live at the Atlanta Grand Slam. Chris has lots to say about taking the plunge and going for bald.

Speaker 4 Some benefits include lots more pocket money, no more rogue burning his eyes on the treadmill, and no more tedious work putting sunscreen on just his bald spots, which is a thing I had not previously considered.

Speaker 4 Now he just slathers up the whole cranium at once.

Speaker 4 Chris wanted to honor his father by saying that as combovers go, his father's was really pretty well done. He had a front tuft that gave him lots of options and versatility.

Speaker 4 To see some pictures of Chris and his various hairstyles and the ultimate lack of hairstyle, visit themoth.org, where you can also find a shareable link to the story.

Speaker 4 Perhaps there's a certain someone you know who really needs to hear this story. Consider it a moth intervention with apologies to the Hair Club for Men.

Speaker 4 This next story comes from Caridad de la Luz, or as she's commonly known, La Bruja. That translates to the witch.
But Caridad likes to clarify, definitely a good witch.

Speaker 4 After all, her full name translates exactly to charity of the light. Caridad raps, acts, sings, dances, writes, and teaches others how to do the same.
She's also an activist.

Speaker 4 Her story is about letting go, but of someone else's baggage. Here's Caridad De Le Luz live at the mall.

Speaker 7 So I'm born and raised in the Boogie Down Bronx.

Speaker 7 I was raised on salsa and hip-hop.

Speaker 7 And thanks to my Puerto Rican family, I'll probably always live in the Boogie Down Bronx.

Speaker 7 I lived in my grandmother's house until the age of five. And when I was five, my parents bought a house only five blocks away because, you know, Puerto Ricans, we stick together.

Speaker 7 So this house had a beautiful backyard,

Speaker 7 cherry tree, an apple tree, two brother maple trees. And I felt like Pocahontas when I would play back there.

Speaker 7 And then some years passed and the house next door went up for sale and my father decided to buy that house too because it had a huge trucking garage behind it.

Speaker 8 El Garaje.

Speaker 7 It was 50 by 50 square feet, 30 feet tall, this roof and it had these iron I-beams and these rolling cranes to pull the engines out of the trucks.

Speaker 7 And my father was a mechanic and my mother was a teacher, very hard-working people.

Speaker 7 So

Speaker 7 they bought the houses. And my parents had gotten married on Halloween, so they decided to throw a huge Halloween anniversary party in El Garaje.

Speaker 7 So I dressed up as a hula girl and Papi dressed up as a Swami, mommy dressed up as a cat. Even Darth Vader showed up.

Speaker 7 All our neighbors were there, our family was there, and it was so much fun.

Speaker 7 We were dancing salsa, we were dancing merenge, cha-cha, the hustle, we even did the limbo.

Speaker 7 My uncle was the best, he was dressed as Dracula, and he would go under that stick and scrape the back of his head on the floor as he went.

Speaker 7 So time passed by and my father started collecting things in the garage.

Speaker 5 Cars,

Speaker 5 broken cars,

Speaker 7 bicycles, broken bicycles, motorcycle, then it was fans and he just started collecting stuff.

Speaker 7 You know, and all along he was collecting stuff, he was also collecting women.

Speaker 8 And

Speaker 7 mommy knew about that.

Speaker 7 She was resigned to her little space. She had her living room clean, the kitchen clean, her bedroom clean, and slowly every space in the house started getting filled up with stuff.

Speaker 7 My father had this thing that when somebody would die, he would volunteer to pick up all their stuff and bring it to the house.

Speaker 7 So there was furniture and all kinds of things

Speaker 7 and

Speaker 7 it just grew and grew. He had this thing that I couldn't throw things away either.
So not only was he collecting, but he wasn't throwing things out.

Speaker 7 If I threw away like a broken toy, it would wind up somehow back in the house.

Speaker 7 If I threw away a chair, it would wind up in the garage. A teddy bear back on the bed.
It was kind of crazy.

Speaker 7 As a kid, it was fun, I must say.

Speaker 7 All those things, it was like a museum. Like I would invite my friends and it was like a jungle and like we would just swing through the stuff and playtime was fascinating.

Speaker 7 So I go off to college and I returned and

Speaker 7 now there was a catamaran in the backyard.

Speaker 7 Canoes,

Speaker 7 more broken cars.

Speaker 7 And underneath the rubble there was like cycles of life happening. There was like dogs, cats, rats, squirrels.
It was just

Speaker 3 wild.

Speaker 7 Now it wasn't fun. Like now it was embarrassing.
Like we were the junkyard of the block.

Speaker 7 There was a Jehovah's Witness church next to our house and they stopped knocking on our door to try to convert us.

Speaker 7 They were probably looking like not even Jehovah could help these people.

Speaker 7 So then I knew that things were not going to change. So I did what my mother did too.

Speaker 7 I just put the blinders up and just kept looking forward and living on my life and I met a man and fell in love and got married and had two beautiful children.

Speaker 7 And somehow we found a way to make space for ourselves and live within the chaos.

Speaker 7 During that time, my father started traveling back and forth to Puerto Rico because my grandfather had started getting sick.

Speaker 7 And he was saying that he had to spend more time there because my grandfather was sick and there was this little old lady that he needed to help that lived nearby.

Speaker 7 So he would leave, but all his stuff would still stay there.

Speaker 7 My grandfather passed away, and then me and my mom, we went to Puerto Rico. And then my mom saw that that little old lady he was helping wasn't actually a little old lady at all.

Speaker 7 She was a beautiful woman that owned a lot of land, and my father had seduced her. And now he was hoarding on her land too.

Speaker 7 Now it was animals. He had horses and cows and goats and he was like a farmer and shit now.

Speaker 7 Six months pass.

Speaker 7 Bobby doesn't come back.

Speaker 7 I'm like, mommy, I think we should start throwing stuff out.

Speaker 3 No, no, no.

Speaker 7 If I throw any of his stuff out, he'll make my life hell.

Speaker 7 I was like, I think he's already made your life hell. It looks like hell to me.

Speaker 7 Two years go by.

Speaker 7 The junk is still there. The third year,

Speaker 7 I'm like, mom,

Speaker 7 it's time to throw this stuff away.

Speaker 7 Enough is enough.

Speaker 7 She's like, nope, no, no, you don't have my blessing to do that. No, your father will be so upset.
I was like, we are doing this.

Speaker 7 So I got a dumpster.

Speaker 7 a 30-yard metal dumpster. And they come and they deliver it this gleaming heap of metal.

Speaker 7 They open it up and it was empty just dying to be filled.

Speaker 7 So I start throwing things in there. I go into the garage and slowly start throwing things out.
I found photo albums of families I never even knew.

Speaker 7 I was like, this gotta go to.

Speaker 7 And I started throwing things out with gusto, you know, like with like real, real

Speaker 7 passion. I felt like Michael Jordan dunking a bowl.

Speaker 3 I was like, dah!

Speaker 3 Boom!

Speaker 7 I still throw things away like that because it just feels so good.

Speaker 7 So I'm filling it out, right? Taking everything out, cleaning things out. Now I'm starting to see the floor of the garage.
Now I'm starting to see the ground and the grass.

Speaker 7 I'm throwing out carcasses of raccoons and just throwing things away. And now I finally have some clarity

Speaker 7 and then my father he returns from from Puerto Rico and he sees the stuff that I've thrown away and he was pissed

Speaker 7 he said

Speaker 7 you threw away my dreams

Speaker 7 he's like but that's okay Because I'm gonna come back here in six months and I'm gonna fix this

Speaker 3 Okay,

Speaker 7 so he flies back to Puerto Rico and Hurricane Maria happens

Speaker 7 and now there's a lot of broken things that he's promising to fix so he stays out over there and I start fixing up El Garaje

Speaker 7 and now it's a space where we make music create poetry art and dance

Speaker 7 a place where we could fix our souls.

Speaker 7 And I decided to throw a huge Halloween party.

Speaker 7 And I invited all of my friends.

Speaker 7 And mommy showed up dressed as Sandy with her new boyfriend Danny from Greece.

Speaker 7 And they're dancing salsa. And I was dressed as a nurse because I like fixing people.

Speaker 7 And we were eating food and drinking drinks and dancing and lights clarity and beauty.

Speaker 7 Enough had been enough.

Speaker 7 And I was so, so happy. Even Rosie Perez showed up to my Halloween party.

Speaker 7 And I knew that even though my father said that I had thrown away his dreams,

Speaker 7 I had only just started living mine.

Speaker 9 Thank you.

Speaker 4 That was Caridad de la Luz. I visited Caridad at her house and went out back to see El Garaje for myself.
It is a beautiful, absolutely enormous space. Room for four or five semi-trucks, by the way.

Speaker 4 Caridad forgot to mention in the story that the cleanout required five giant dumpsters. Now, El Garaje is now used for all sorts of arts events in the Bronx.

Speaker 4 Poetry readings, salsa lessons, merengue band practice, hip-hop video shoots. It's a place where creativity thrives, and all it took was letting go of decades of clutter.

Speaker 4 Create the space, and creativity will follow.

Speaker 4 When we return, a teenage girl corresponds with a boyfriend drafted into service in Vietnam, and a seventh grader goes all in on the competitive Japanese card game Yu-Gi-Oh!

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Speaker 4 This is the Moth Radio Hour from PRX. I'm Jennifer Hickson.
Our next story is by Andrew McGill.

Speaker 4 If the audience response sounds a little strange, it's because Andrew told this outdoors at a historic cemetery in Brooklyn called Greenwood.

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Speaker 4 Here's Andrew McGill live, but on bump at Greenwood Cemetery.

Speaker 6 When I was in the seventh grade, I was a lot shorter. I had glasses.
I I was very chubby. I looked like the Black Harry Potter, except I didn't have any magic or friends.

Speaker 6 And I remember walking into the lunchroom one day. I grabbed my lunch and I see all these kids sitting down and they're playing this game and they're laughing and they're having these good times.

Speaker 6 So I walk up a little closer and I see they're like slapping these cards down on the table and they're saying words that I didn't even know how to pronounce.

Speaker 6 And I go a little closer and I asked this kid, Daniel, he was in my English class and I was like, hey man, what is this? And he's like, hey, it's Yu-Gi-Oh! And I was like, what is Yu-Gi-Oh!

Speaker 6 And he's like, hey, I'm not going to explain to you. Just go watch a TV show.
It comes on at 4.30 right after school. I was like, whatever.
So I went home and I watched the show and it was amazing.

Speaker 6 If you don't know what Yu-Gi-Oh! is, it's a Japanese card card game. And it was beautiful.
It was awesome. It was a mix of magic, monsters, friendship.
And it was amazing.

Speaker 6 And I was like, oh, I got it.

Speaker 6 This is me. This is me now.
So I go to the school the next day and I was like, yo, teach me the game. And he was like, I got you.

Speaker 6 And Daniel gives me a pack of cards and they like invite me into this like weird little friend group.

Speaker 6 group and we we started to become homies and these were my guys and we weren't as cool as the guys who like talk to girls but we weren't like those kids who played dungeons and dragons those were the real nerds in our school and we were we were hanging around we play all these tournaments all the time and I'd win different cards and like we had all these great memories hanging out with these dudes and I remember one time Daniel's like yo there's gonna be this tournament at this place called King's Games right off the Q-train stop it's gonna be amazing you have to go and that was a little further away from my house so I was like ah boom I'll get my dad to drop me off so my parents are divorced and my dad is a taxi driver I was like cool it'll be it'll be all right so on a Saturday morning I get my dad to pick me up in this bright yellow taxi he pulls up and I get in the front seat and it's like a very like quiet ride and we pull up to King's Games and there's all these kids lined up around the block and he's like what is this and I was like um it's just you know that's just something we're doing and we're gonna have some fun play some games and I and he's like I'm gonna pick it up at four and I was like all right dude I'll see you and i come out the taxi and all my friends are like yeah

Speaker 6 you're in a taxi i was like yeah what's up baby trying to pop and then one of the kids like why are you in the front and i was like shut up man it was something in the back don't worry about it

Speaker 6 and then we're sitting in line and we're just chilling talking whatever and then my dad rolls down the taxi star he's like i picked you up at four and i was like all right and they're like why is your driver screaming at you and i was like shut up Just go play some damn Yu-Gi-Oh!

Speaker 6 So we go into King's Games and it's like a really like tiny shop, but there's all this different memorabilia from different TV shows, called classic movies, called classic like video games, all this stuff.

Speaker 6 It's beautiful. It's nerd paradise.
And downstairs is where the magic happens. It's Yu-Gi-Oh! Fight Club, one-on-one Yu-Gi-Oh! tournament.

Speaker 6 It smells like virginity and whatever the spray for inhalers smells like.

Speaker 6 And like we're down there and we're like playing Yu-Gi-Oh! and I just lose track of time. Like we're playing, we're having a good time.

Speaker 6 And I was asked my buddy Shun Man, I'm like, like, yo, what time is it? And he's like, it's 5.30. And I said, oh, no.
So I run upstairs, all these kids come out, and I see my dad in the store.

Speaker 6 I look at him, he looks at me, he's like, hmm, and I was like, hey, what's going on? And he's like, this is very interesting. I was like, yeah, you don't use words like interesting.

Speaker 6 Let's get out of here. So we get in the taxi and we're driving.
And it's very quiet again. And my parents are divorced.
So he stops in the front of the building.

Speaker 6 And he's like, hey, I'm going to come upstairs and talk to your mom. And I was like, cool, whatever.
I don't care. So we come upstairs and my mom's like, hey, how's that thing that you're at?

Speaker 6 And I was like, yeah, it's fine. She doesn't care because she doesn't know.
And he's like, hey, did you know Andrew's in the gang? And I was like, in a gang. My mom's like, in a gang.

Speaker 6 And he's like, yeah, he's in a gang. He's in the Yakuzas.
I was like, in the Yakuzas? What are you talking about? And he's like, yeah, I saw him come out this basement with all these Korean people.

Speaker 6 And my mom's like, oh, that makes sense. I saw him watching all these Japanese jokes.
I was like, what are you talking about? The Yakuzas is for Japanese. And I couldn't be Yakuza first off.

Speaker 6 And I was like, why am I in a gang? And he's like, because I know you're in a gang and they let me buy a weapon at that store. And I was like, what? Buy a weapon?

Speaker 6 And he pulls out this black bag and he reaches inside and he pulls out this knife from Blade 2. It literally said Blade 2 on it.
The movie with Wesley Sun. Yes.

Speaker 6 And I was like, hey, man, that just says Blade 2. And he's like, yeah, Blade 2, cut people, because you're in a gang.
And I was like, no, I'm not. And he pulls out the knives.
And my mom's screaming.

Speaker 6 I'm freaking out. And I'm like, you know what? I'm just going to explain this card game to him.
And I pull out the Yu-Gi-Oh! cards. And I was like, like, hey, I was playing Yu-Gi-Oh!

Speaker 6 And they're like, what is Yu-Gi-Oh! and I proceeded to explain Yu-Gi-Oh! to my superstitious religion Haitian parents

Speaker 6 And I'm like guys, this is the blue-eyed white dragon that has 3,000 life points. This is the dark magician that has 25,000 attack points.
If you attack it, you lose your dark magician.

Speaker 6 These are different spell cards that you can attach to your cards. And they sit down and I'm like, I'm going to double down and just tell them the real truth of Yu-Gi-Oh! I was like, So, Yu-Gi-Oh!

Speaker 6 started when these gods, you know, they just started to fight each other, and they're like, Hey, we're gonna take these demons, put them in the cards, they're gonna attack each other and they're gonna battle each other.

Speaker 6 And whoever loses gets into the shadow realm. The shadow realm is a place that's devoid of light, there's no life there, and you lose your soul in the shadow realm.

Speaker 6 I'm just trying to play so I don't lose my soul, guys. And they're like sitting down, and it's all quiet.
I'm like, Cool, maybe I made my point. Maybe they understand

Speaker 6 Yu-Gi-Oh!

Speaker 3 And they're quiet.

Speaker 6 My dad grabs my mom's shoulder, and they both look up at me and they're like, okay,

Speaker 6 you're not in a gang. You're possessed by a demon!

Speaker 6 And I was like, what are you talking about? And I laughed, I giggled. And just a note, side note, if you ever accuse of being a demon, don't laugh.

Speaker 6 It makes you look like more of a demon.

Speaker 6 And they're all freaking out. They're like, we need to get the oils.
We need to cover this dude. And they're like, call a pastor, call somebody.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 that wasn't the end. That wasn't the end, though, though, because they were like, hey, you have to burn these cards.
And I was like, burn the cards?

Speaker 6 No, anything but burning the cards. Please, not the cards.
These are my, this is my identity. These are my, I can't go back to school if I burn these cards.

Speaker 6 And they're like, you have to burn these cards. And I sat over the kitchen sink, just burning card after card, memory after memory.

Speaker 6 I was like, man, I played this with, I know, oh, I lost out with Shun Man, and it's just burning and burning. And I'm crying his tears, but it wasn't over.
Because on Sunday, I had to go to church.

Speaker 6 and then I had to go to school on Monday.

Speaker 3 Oh no, I know.

Speaker 6 I went to school on Monday and I walk into the lunchroom and I see all my friends playing, having a good time, looking all jolly.

Speaker 6 And I couldn't go up to those guys and tell them, hey, my parents thought I was a demon. I had to burn all my cars.
I couldn't do that. That's breaking cardinal rule number one of Yu-Gi-Oh!

Speaker 6 You don't burn your cards.

Speaker 6 What are you doing? So much money on these things.

Speaker 6 So I did what, you know, any middle schooler would do. I just pretended to be better than them.
I was like, hey guys, I'm not going to sit here anymore.

Speaker 6 I'm going to go talk to girls now because that's what I do.

Speaker 6 And I sat alone.

Speaker 6 And I think my parents should have just let me play Yu-Gi-Oh! because after that, I got into online chat rooms and I started to catfish people.

Speaker 6 And I never played Yu-Gi-Oh! again.

Speaker 6 Thank you.

Speaker 4 That was Andrew McGill. He did not invite his parents to the show because if they thought he was possessed before, this graveyard gig was really going to do them in.

Speaker 4 Andrew was born and raised in Brooklyn, New York, where he's a comic and a high school English teacher.

Speaker 4 At the end of his story, he mentions that after being banned from playing Yu-Gi-Oh!, he started catfishing. As you probably know, that means he corresponded with people online, posing as someone else.

Speaker 4 For Andrew, it was all in good fun. One of his alter egos was a blonde surfer named Stan.
Side note, Andrew has never been surfing. One of Andrew's old Yu-Gi-Oh!

Speaker 4 pals from middle school heard about this story and texted him. I'm so sorry, dude.
Andrew wrote back, At least you can't throw away the memories.

Speaker 4 Our next story is by Patricia Brennan. She told it at our Story Slam in Ann Arbor, where we partner with Michigan Public Radio.

Speaker 4 Her story involves the kinds of memories that are very difficult to let go. Here's Patricia Brennan.

Speaker 9 It's 1969, and I'm riding with my boyfriend Jack and a few friends up to northern Wisconsin. And all of a sudden, Jack sees something out the window that makes him lurch out of his seat.

Speaker 9 And I can see the tendons of his neck just vibrating in fear.

Speaker 9 And then a minute later, he just relaxes back in the seat because he realizes that the funnel of clouds in the distance was just from the paper mills of northern Wisconsin.

Speaker 9 It wasn't an incoming mortar attack from the Viet Cong.

Speaker 9 Jack had just gotten back from NAM

Speaker 9 a couple weeks earlier than that.

Speaker 9 He'd been drafted to fight the war. And the whole time he was in country, he and I wrote letters back and forth.
I actually was protesting the war in Madison, but Jack made the war real to me.

Speaker 9 And that whole year he was there, I had that clutchy feeling that you get when you love a soldier who's in active combat. But now Jack was back home.
He was safe. The war was behind us.

Speaker 9 That's what I'd been thinking. But when I saw him clutch at that smoke in the distance, I knew the damn war was still alive, at least in Jack.

Speaker 9 So a few months later, he took off. And I knew he had to go and fight his demons.
So he roamed the States in Canada with a few friends while his crew cut from the Army grew out.

Speaker 9 and by the time he got to art school in California his hair was long and free and I figured he was too.

Speaker 9 So four years later when he and I got married the Vietnam War seemed like ancient history to me

Speaker 9 it was I could easily imagine Jack had never even been there

Speaker 9 And that made it easier because Jack would never talk about the war with me, not ever. And that was kind of amazing because Jack and I knew each other since we were in first grade.

Speaker 9 We grew up together in a little Iowa town, and we had all the same teachers, we knew all the same classmates, but Jack's year in Vietnam, it was like a black hole.

Speaker 9 Well, I did know the basics of what he did there. He was a helicopter door gunner.
That meant that his job was to provide fire cover while they were landing and picking up troops in the jungle.

Speaker 9 And Jack, when he was over there, he sent me a picture of himself standing by his chopper. And he's got one combat boot up on the open doorway of the copter.

Speaker 9 And his hand is resting on this enormous automatic machine gun that's mounted there.

Speaker 9 It was Jack's gun. And I couldn't imagine him shooting that thing, spraying hundreds of bullets out per minute.
And the truth is, I didn't want to picture him shooting that thing.

Speaker 9 I preferred to focus on another picture he sent me where he's holding this adorable pet monkey that he'd adopted from the jungle.

Speaker 9 And that looked like the Jack I knew, fun-loving and creative and affectionate.

Speaker 9 So in our marriage, it was comfortable for both of us to just pretend the war hadn't happened. We just ignored the fact altogether.
But that war had a way of leaking into our home.

Speaker 9 Like one night, Jack and I were at dinner table and we're lingering over our last glass of wine.

Speaker 9 And our little boy starts singing the song that he had learned that day in preschool, America the Beautiful. And his sweet voice is singing about the spacious skies and the amber ways of grain.

Speaker 9 And all of a sudden, I notice that tears are streaming down Jack's face because the song had brought him back to the funeral of a hometown buddy who who was shot down in Vietnam.

Speaker 9 And Jack, in full uniform, was a pallbear at that Idis funeral. And Jack started telling me that when he was carrying the casket out of the church, he completely broke down.

Speaker 9 And he said, the worst part of the funeral was that the father of the boy, whose name was Bob Shares,

Speaker 9 looked to Jack for answers for why his son had died, and Jack had nothing to give him.

Speaker 9 And the reason this memory

Speaker 9 is fresh in my mind is that I recently ran across the journal entry that I had written that night and it prompted me to look out the memorial of our classmate Bob Shares.

Speaker 9 And Bob died in Vietnam on November 18th, 1969.

Speaker 9 And then I was tled to make another secondary discovery.

Speaker 9 The date on the journal entry was also November 18th. So Jack had broken down and cried on the very anniversary of his friend's death.

Speaker 9 And it's easy to write that off as coincidence, and that might be all it is. But I wonder if it's more.

Speaker 9 That night of Bob Scher's anniversary, people who loved him were grieving for him. And maybe somehow that grief traveled through the ether and reached Jack's subconscious.

Speaker 9 Because I think the pores of his war wounds were always open.

Speaker 9 And when you're you're a vet or married to one, you never know when an incoming mortar attack is going to hit.

Speaker 4 That was Patricia Brennan. Patricia sent me some great photos, Jack and Patricia as a young couple, and some of the pictures she mentioned in the story, Jack with His Gun and Jack with a Monkey.

Speaker 4 You can see them on our website at themoth.org. Patricia writes children's books, 26 so far.
Her most recent is called Who is Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

Speaker 4 Although Patricia and Jack are no longer married, she says they're still close as they share two sons, three grandchildren, and a lifetime of memories.

Speaker 4 When we return, more lessons in letting go from a man we met at a moth workshop with the Innocence Project. When the Moth Radio Hour continues.

Speaker 5 The Moth Radio Hour is produced by Atlantic Public Media in Woods Hole, Massachusetts, and presented by PR.

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Speaker 4 You're listening to the Moth Radio Hour from PRX. I'm Jennifer Hickson.
The Moth first met our next storyteller, Michael von Allman, at the Innocence Network Conference.

Speaker 4 It's a national event that brings together members of the innocence movement to discuss issues that affect the wrongfully convicted.

Speaker 4 Michael's from Kentucky, and when we partnered with Apple Shop for a show in Weitzburg, we invited him to tell his story. Here's Michael von Allman.

Speaker 3 I have issues with hate.

Speaker 3 I wasn't raised to hate.

Speaker 3 I just found that hate was the

Speaker 3 emotion that you needed to survive in prison.

Speaker 3 And if you didn't hate, when you walked through the gate and onto the yard, it was taught to you right away.

Speaker 3 On one side of the prison would be black folks. On the other side would be white folks.
And you were told, if you want to do the easiest bit possible,

Speaker 3 you would stay within your race

Speaker 3 so that's where the hate started was

Speaker 3 expressed in a racial way

Speaker 3 but it didn't take much time

Speaker 3 exposure to the guards and that prison regiment

Speaker 3 and you come to hate them too

Speaker 3 and it's not long before

Speaker 3 you start to hate everything and everybody

Speaker 3 and that's the way you start doing good time

Speaker 3 when you have

Speaker 3 everyone at

Speaker 3 their distance and it didn't matter if you were innocent or guilty of that of the crime you were in there for

Speaker 3 i was innocent of the crime i was in there for

Speaker 3 i had nothing to do with this violent assault that i was accused of

Speaker 3 But somehow I landed in prison and was

Speaker 3 made to stay there.

Speaker 3 I spent 11 years trying to prove that I didn't commit this crime.

Speaker 3 And finally, after 11 years

Speaker 3 and my fourth meeting with the parole board, they decided to give me the benefit of the doubt.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 with my hate,

Speaker 3 I took off on parole in Louisville.

Speaker 3 And when you

Speaker 3 release a prisoner,

Speaker 3 that they're not transitioning from

Speaker 3 convict to productive citizen. They're transitioning into hate management, how to control that.

Speaker 3 And that's what I did. I learned to control it.
I managed it for 16 years.

Speaker 3 Became a husband, father,

Speaker 3 grandfather,

Speaker 3 and just did my bit. I got my, got back into life.

Speaker 3 The only thing missing was this

Speaker 3 exoneration,

Speaker 3 if it could ever happen.

Speaker 3 16 years goes by. I'm on parole.

Speaker 3 And one day I pick up the newspaper. And it's a story in there about the Kentucky Innocence Project and how they had just received some grant money to investigate wrongful convictions.

Speaker 3 And that's what the Innocence Projects do. They

Speaker 3 investigate wrongful convictions and they're dedicated to correcting the wrongs that people have been accused of.

Speaker 3 They take my case

Speaker 3 And in no time, they discover, they uncover this incredible textbook example of mistaken identity.

Speaker 3 They found this

Speaker 3 serial

Speaker 3 rapist

Speaker 3 that looks identical to me.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 after 11 years in prison, 16 years on parole, we present this to the courts and without hesitation, the courts correct this wrong that I had been living with for 27 years.

Speaker 3 Remarkable.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 3 the first year after I was exonerated,

Speaker 3 the Innocence Project, they have once a year they have a conference where they invite all the attorneys and the folks involved and the exonerees

Speaker 3 and celebrate, hone their skills. And

Speaker 3 so the first year I'm invited to this

Speaker 3 conference

Speaker 3 and I get up and I meet these folks from across the country

Speaker 3 that have experienced the same thing, some wrongful conviction

Speaker 3 and they've done decades and decades of time

Speaker 3 and I walk into the conference and the first thing I notice

Speaker 3 is how many black Americans there are in this group of people.

Speaker 3 So when I walked on the yard and they said, yeah, you got to stay in your race, it was at that moment when I noticed how many black folks was in there and people of color that I had to reconcile

Speaker 3 my hatred or whatever and had to let it go. And I felt it dissolve right then.

Speaker 3 Go to another conference and they got

Speaker 3 folks up there from the law enforcement community

Speaker 3 another group that was look you just love to hate

Speaker 3 and then i i reconcile with them

Speaker 3 and this process of going to the conferences

Speaker 3 is such an emotional experience for me that I find that I got a drive to them just to have that long drive back to process that emotion that I get from this conference.

Speaker 3 Two years ago,

Speaker 3 the conference was in San Diego, California. Man, I had a lot of time to sort things out.

Speaker 3 But on the way out there, I noticed how close I am to the Grand Canyon. So while I'm

Speaker 3 loving this exoneration thing, now I get to make a bucket list move here and stop at the Grand Canyon. It's not that far out of the way, so yes, I'm going to stop at the Grand Canyon.

Speaker 3 Go to the conference,

Speaker 3 it's over with. I beeline for the Grand Canyon.

Speaker 3 Taking it all in, and man, just life is super.

Speaker 3 You just don't know how good life can be.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 I'm taking it in. I'm riding down down the road.

Speaker 3 I'm on the last day of the trip.

Speaker 3 And I just cross into Missouri.

Speaker 3 And as I come over this hill, I notice there's two state troopers in the middle of the median.

Speaker 3 And as I approach them,

Speaker 3 they had just ended their conversation with one another.

Speaker 3 And now they're pulling off and going up the interstate, one in each direction.

Speaker 3 I get about a mile down the road.

Speaker 3 The cop comes by me, along with all the other traffic that I'm riding with,

Speaker 3 and I got the cruise control on, so I know I'm not speeding or anything.

Speaker 3 But as he goes around us, all of a sudden he slows down

Speaker 3 and I realize he's got a target in mind. because he slips right in behind me

Speaker 3 and we ride for miles.

Speaker 3 I'm not speeding, I'm just cruising. But I finally come up on this car,

Speaker 3 I signal and I pass him.

Speaker 3 The cop signals and passes as well.

Speaker 3 Now I don't want to be accused of cutting this guy off, so I ride out a little ways.

Speaker 3 And as I look in my mirror to see if it's clear, the blue lights are on.

Speaker 3 So I pull over,

Speaker 3 and as the cop comes to the window, he says,

Speaker 3 let me see your driver's license.

Speaker 3 And I hand it to him, and he says,

Speaker 3 the reason I pulled you over is because in the state of Missouri,

Speaker 3 the passing lane is reserved for passing lane, passing only.

Speaker 3 And I said,

Speaker 3 well, I didn't want to cut the guy off. And then the cop snapped, sir, you had long passed that guy.

Speaker 3 Hate

Speaker 3 was wanting to start,

Speaker 3 but reason

Speaker 3 made me comply.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 the next thing he says, where are you headed to?

Speaker 3 And I said, I'm going to Louisville, Kentucky.

Speaker 3 He says, what are you going to do in Louisville?

Speaker 3 I said, Well, I live there.

Speaker 3 Then he takes his driver, takes my driver's license, looks at it,

Speaker 3 says, Okay, where are you coming from?

Speaker 3 I said, Well, I just left a conference in San Diego, California.

Speaker 3 He said, Oh, a conference. He said, What kind of work do you do?

Speaker 3 Well, I'm a plumber.

Speaker 3 And when I said that, he gave me this look like, wait a minute, you didn't drive no 2,000 miles for a plumbing convention.

Speaker 3 You better come off with something better. He didn't say that, but I could read that in his face.
So I just throw, I say, no,

Speaker 3 the conference was for attorneys and investigators.

Speaker 3 He said, oh, you're an attorney?

Speaker 3 I said, no, but I've needed one a time or two in my life.

Speaker 3 And he just glared through me like, you better come on with something.

Speaker 3 So I said, have you ever heard of the Innocence Project?

Speaker 3 And I expected that he had, but he said, no,

Speaker 3 never heard of them.

Speaker 3 I said, well, they're a group of lawyers and investigators who was

Speaker 3 dedicated to wrongful convictions.

Speaker 3 So the truth of the matter

Speaker 3 is I was wrongly convicted.

Speaker 3 I ended up spending 11 years in a prison for a crime I didn't do.

Speaker 3 And I said, can I show you something?

Speaker 3 He said, yeah. So I picked my phone up and I showed him the pictures that I have that was of me.

Speaker 3 the composite drawing they used to arrest me,

Speaker 3 and the actual perpetrator. looked like two twins in a composite drawing.

Speaker 3 The cop stopped asking questions.

Speaker 3 I said, yeah, I was out there with dozens of guys

Speaker 3 who made my 11 years in prison look like I was away to summer camp.

Speaker 3 And he's following me and At that moment, he looks down and sees the pamphlets from the Grand Canyon.

Speaker 3 And he says,

Speaker 3 I see him looking at the pamphlets. I said, Oh, yeah, I stopped at the Grand Canyon.
You know, I was able to stop at the Grand Canyon and really enjoy the whole thing.

Speaker 3 And at that moment,

Speaker 3 he just shook his head and said, Yeah, I'm hoping I get to see the Grand Canyon someday.

Speaker 3 And with that,

Speaker 3 this object of hate

Speaker 3 turned into a human being.

Speaker 3 And I do pretty good with human beings. And I fell right into character.
I said, yeah, you didn't see all that coming, did you?

Speaker 3 And he said, no.

Speaker 3 He said, I feel for you guy. He said, here, take this.
Have a safe trip home.

Speaker 3 I took my driver's license.

Speaker 3 I started my car, merged back onto the interstate, interstate, and I felt no hate.

Speaker 3 Thank you.

Speaker 4 That was Michael Von Alm. In fact, Michael was my inspiration for this episode about Letting Go, because to my mind, letting go is his superpower.

Speaker 4 To see pictures of him, including the police sketch used to convict him and photos of both Michael and the actual perpetrator, they look like brothers, visit themoff.org, where you can also see a shot of Michael Michael at one of his bucket list destinations, the Grand Canyon.

Speaker 4 Michael, I dearly hope you make it to every destination on that list.

Speaker 4 That's it for this episode of The Moth Radio Hour. We hope you'll be inspired to let go of anything that's holding you back so you can make way for more adventures and more stories.

Speaker 4 We hope you'll join us next time, and that's the story from the Moth.

Speaker 5 Your host this hour was Jennifer Hickson. Jennifer also directed the stories in the show.

Speaker 5 The rest of the Moth directorial staff includes Catherine Burns, Sarah Haberman, Sarah Austin Janess, and Meg Bowles. Production support from Emily Couch.

Speaker 5 Moth Stories Are True, is remembered and affirmed by the storytellers. Our theme music is by The Drift.

Speaker 5 Other music in this hour from John Schofield, Luis Perez, and his orchestra, Alabama Shakes, the Martin Hayes Quartet, and Bruce Coburn. You can find links to all the music we use at our website.

Speaker 5 The Moth Radio Hour is produced by me, Jay Allison, with Vicki Merrick at Atlantic Public Media in Woods Hole, Massachusetts.

Speaker 5 This hour was produced with funds from the National Endowment for the Arts. The Moth Radio Hour is presented by PRX.

Speaker 5 For more about our podcast, for information on pitching your own story, and everything else, go to our website, themoth.org.