'Your Friends & Neighbors' Episode 4: One Birkin Too Far

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That's warbyparker.com. hello welcome back to the prestige tv podcast feed i'm joyner robinson i'm rob mahoney we're here today to talk to you about your friends and neighbors episode four um there's a lot going on in the prestige feed in content in general i don't know if you know this rob moni but jimmy butler got injured wow tell me about it i have nothing to say this i was just like google what happened in the nba to explain why rob might be busy so rob is pretty busy with n stuff.
It's the playoffs, et cetera, et cetera.

I have to go record, I don't know,

nine hours of Andor content this week.

There's a lot going on,

but we did want to dip in briefly

to check in on your friends and neighbors.

We heard from you all via email.

You can always reach us,

PrestigeTV at Spotify.com.

And we heard that you guys are,

I don't know, mildly enjoying the show. Intrigued, I would say intrigued i would say yeah yeah it seems like maybe people aren't fully on the hook but they've seen enough to want to know what happens they're enjoying some of the characters they're enjoying some of the comedy if nothing else like i feel like people are into it so this is gonna be like kind of a mini pod from us today uh as we check in with this so um i'm gonna hit some emails we we got.
And there is a big basketball email, but I'm going to save that for the end just in case there are some folks listening to this who don't know or with love and respect, Rob, care about basketball. Fair enough.
We're going to save that for the bottom. But Eric wrote in to say, to point out that Jon Hamm does the voiceovers for the Mercedes commercials.

Sure does.

Since 2010. And that his narrations on the show sound exactly like the commercials.
And how odd

it is like the dissonance for Eric, that this character Coop of Jon Hamm's is sort of decrying

exorbitant wealth with the voice of one of our most luxurious brands.

Any thoughts on that, Rob?

I actually think that Jon Hamm's voice work

on the Mercedes-Benz commercials

is maybe even a little more in tune

than what it can sometimes be

on your friends and neighbors.

That said, the copy on some of those,

and I went back and listened.

Oh boy, Joe.

It's real like- What do you got? Ask chat GPT to write Mad Men pitches, kind of gobbledygook. It's not what you want.
But sometimes you have to lean into that, especially when you're talking about car sales in particular. They get really amorphous, really ambiguous.
You're talking big ideas all of a sudden about being out in front, about the frontier and possibility of American life. So it is Don Draper in a way.
Absolutely. Don's like, if you don't have this car, are you really alive? And that's sort of the vibe.
Okay. Joseph wrote in on our question.
We got actually several emails about this question of Coop and likability or a Jon Hamm character and likability. And as we pointed out last week, we don't need characters to be likable to be interested in them.
That's not a prerequisite for me or for Rob. But it's something that we were sort of unclear where the show was with this.
Where does the writing want us to land with this character is kind of what we're trying to figure out. So something that Joseph wrote in about was this idea of this you know, this showrunner, Jonathan Trapper's novels and the protagonist in his novels.

And he wrote to me, I don't identify with the flaws or choices of these characters.

Identify with their feelings, the metaphorical drowning, the silent desperation.

I don't root for Coop because I want good things for him.

I root for Coop because if he can figure out a way to navigate through this crap maybe i can um knowing that i'm not gonna make half the terrible decisions he makes because i don't suck um does that work for you rob in terms of threading the needle on likeability or not i think it's compelling to think about that Um, though I will say, you know, I really, I think I've only identified three main storylines this week and three is a little generous. It's basically two storylines this week.
And one of which serves to make me feel for Coop and the other serves to frustrate me with Coop. And maybe that's where the show wants me.
I think that's pretty fair. I do think this overall framing device is a good shout out and fair as far as like flawed characters and what they represent in shows and what you want to see them do on screen.
Like I, if anything, I bump up against when flawed characters get too grand a redemption arc, when they're almost moved much into likability i don't want i don't want that sort of full swing i want to see progress i want to see incremental change and development i want to see people grow over the course of a show if that's what the show is asking them to do but i don't want them to be someone completely unrecognizable to me in a lot of ways and so coop existing in this gray area sometimes he's an asshole sometimes he's likable the modulation is not always exactly where you would want it week to week the overall zone is kind of where i'd want that character i'm just i'm just still so unsure about where i land on him or so many of the things he says and does yeah it's it's interesting when he says something like shrug sorry about your friend to elena his his new accomplice about the other maid who got fired for his crime. Because of him.
Yeah. That's not, I would say that's not great.
I would say shrug, sorry about your friend. Not great.
But you know. Mel saying in 18 years of marriage, you never once asked how I was.
Not great. Not great.
Not what want to hear um erica wrote in to say on the casting couch for john ham in your friends and neighbors i feel like this part has jason bateman written all over it now erica i would agree with you except ozark already exists so we've seen it also the development already exists he's played this guy but but you're right in terms of i think bateman is slightly calibrated better to like shrug sorry about your friend but i still kind of like you when you say it than john hammes if that makes sense yeah yeah um and then our listener sean wrote in about we were talking about comps other shows that this reminded us of of an earlier age of television you brought up Weeds um Sean brought up a show that I forgot existed which is Hung the Tom Jane show uh great great call out and Californication uh the David Duchovny uh show Californication I would never forget about always thinking about Californication to be honest with you so um it's a real divorce dad canon that we're establishing. Yeah.
This really does. It's funny.
I was listening to NPR's Pop Culture Happy Hour talk about this show. I hadn't listened to their episode about it yet.
And immediately, Linda Holmes identified this, exactly what we were talking about, which is just this just feels like a show of a slightly different time in the TV landscape. And not in an unpleasant way, but in a way that does feel a little bit disconnected from our present tense reality in a certain sense.
Last email before we get into sort of some of the plots of this week is our listener Bob wrote in with a basketball question, but one that I understand. So I'm going to include it at the top here, which is that wondering why Rick Fox was not hired to play the Nick character.
Now, even I know who Rick Fox is. So Bob's point was that he was a real life member of the 2004 Olympics team, has been on the cover of magazines, all, you know, et cetera, et cetera.
So any thoughts on the Rick Fox comp there? Well there well not to fact check you in real time joe but he was not a member of that olympic team he was a you're not a former player oh true checking bob go for it i apologize rick fox was not on the 2004 olympic team that's not a thing great uh but rick fox quite quite an interesting actor i will say when he pops up in things and has an undeniable charisma on screen i loved him in oz a long time ago uh in particular but age age wise i don't think is quite what they are suggesting that nick is so he's 50 i looked it up he's 55 and uh david tallman who plays nick is 44 so you know and then amanda pete is like 53 so like yeah they're like in the same neighborhood but um i did think about that yeah yeah i feel like part of nick's character especially within the uh country club milieu is like this is the younger athletic like great point very appealing man and rick fox don't get me wrong very appealing man in his own right but you're writing something a little different at that point all right so i'm gonna lay out to you uh what i think are the three main plots of this episode and you let me know if you disagree uh coop and alana go into business together yep four hot intelligent women kind of maybe sort of want to fuck coop to varying degrees who doesn't apparently and then last but not least mel is sad and still wants coop happy birthday mel well are you not including mel among bracket two she is but but she does have her own stuff yeah yeah her own side story so that's those are my top three and then i have some like subplots this is a very i feel very bill simmons in this moment oh i would say the only one you're missing there is the brief return of your favorite character live cross and my favorite plot line which is the potential litigation of coop's wrongful termination uh why is any of that happening on this show now i i don't know but we're here and we're we live here now i really hate to tell you that i have that as a bullet point under four hot intelligent women maybe sort of want to fuck coop to varying degrees because that of course includes live but yes corbin bernson's back we are we are trying to figure out all that out let's talk about coop and alana going into business together and why i last week said i wanted this and now this week i'm not so sure because this has some of that class warfare stuff that i was hoping for going for with implications i was not because i think a story about your rich white handsome neighbor is stealing from you is fun and subversive your Latina maid who takes baths in your bath and is buying your security codes off her Latino cousin is not uh it's not really cutting the way that I want it to cut um am I slightly mollified by the storyline of Brad Sperling firing his maid who did nothing because it was a good excuse to quote, you know, bring in some new blood? Maybe, but shrug, sorry about your friend. So, all that being said, Elena is a really, is an interesting character to me.
The journey that we take with her, how many buses and trains and long walks she has to take to get from her home to nick's home not to mention the comedy toilet montage with her is all good stuff and this is a good performance yes so yeah it did not occur to me that someone was gonna have to mop up all that blood off the basketball court but very tough scenes for elena overall uh what do you think i'm struggling with her a little bit like i think she's a fine enough character like you i actually really think the the idea of the housekeeper gossip network is such a clever concept but yeah juxtaposed with coop story intertwining hers into his the kind of like fast track nature of their relationship where they go from two people who clearly know each other and have like a previous almost like sort of quasi professional domestic relationship to now they're just like business partners who have this repartee and frankly i would say my biggest complaint about elena is that even though you're right that her circumstances present an interesting counterpoint for the show and the show digs into that a little bit in a way i want to talk about the way she's written is just the way that most of the other characters on the show are written. Like her banter sounds like their banter.
And so when we get into the point where everyone's voice is kind of overlapping, I lose a character like Elena loses some of the appeal for me. I think you've really like nailed something that I was bumping out without being able to identify it on the show, which is everyone does sound like each other.
And it's this sort of very glib, talky vibe that Sorkin Light or whatever you want to call it. But if it's everyone, then it's not anyone.
So that's where I'm sitting. I don't know i i agree like some of the montaging with with the network her um talking about the specifics of uh this panther bracelet or that birkin bag like that is interesting to me there's just something's off about i love you identifying the fast tracking of their relationship where she is just like at home using her, his face to open his phone and like door dashing supplies to fix it.
Like it's all just sort of, I don't know. Maybe I wanted Elena there from the beginning.
Is the calibration of the timing of the season off for me? But something is not hitting the way that I was hoping it would hit. What else do you want to identify about Elena? Well, to her credit and to the show's credit, I think she plays a really important role functionally and in terms of the writing of the show, which is she mitigates the need for some of that voiceover.
Making her the guy in the chair for Coop, effectively, where he can riff with her while he's going through these jobs and sort of troubleshoot the alarms and and do all those things that's a welcome presence on the show I really agree yeah yeah that's a great point and to what I was saying earlier too you know we talked about uh last time how Coop's stakes in so many of these things are different from the other characters because of who he is and the kind of position he occupies in the world right the lawsuit means something different to him than it does to live and we do get the the kind of nod to the idea that if they get caught what it means for coop and what it means for elena are totally different right like her cousin says she's at risk of being deported if you guys get pinched on this versus let's be honest he's probably just going to walk away scot-free even if he gets caught with you know a birkin in hand a birkin in hand and a dog like clamped down on his leg like he he's still gonna be fine okay let's why would the dog be so moved by tossing the burkin its way um the the dog like many people loves a fine luxurious leather good i don't know well it is a product that you cannot ask for that you must be invited it's a it's like a vampire situation you have to be invited to accept it and so the dog cannot ask for what it wants which is the birkin it simply must wait until a john ham tosses a birkin to it let's work a sinner's mention into every single podcast why not do um okay listen i was watching a sort of like cute little apple tv we have olivia munn and amanda pete and john ham here we're gonna ask them cute little questions video and one question was what would you steal from the set if you could steal anything and Amanda Peet and Jon Hamm here. We're going to ask them cute little questions video.
And one question was, what would you steal from the set if you could steal anything? And Amanda Peet was like a Birkin bag. And I was like, really Amanda Peet? Like you don't have a Birkin bag or, you know, whatever.
And then John, and then it cut to Jon Hamm saying nothing, like cutting the person off saying nothing. I don't give a shit about things.
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All right, yeah, okay, so let's talk about the Mel teeny party. This is the part of the show that has the best chance of catching my love and affection and attention, which is this is my very one of my very favorite genres, which is something called the comedy plot of remarriage or the tragedy plot of remarriage, if you want.
And this is something that is usually used to talk about a certain kind of screwball comedy. So like the Philadelphia story, his girl Friday, but you can use apply to like his eternal sunshine and spotless mind, the parent trap, Mr.
Mrs. Smith, Shakespeare, much to do about nothing.
It's when a, when when a couple who work together come back together and and reunite and there's this sense of they belong together there is belonging there there is yearning there um and there is this sense you know that phrase like you can't make new old friends you can't make new old first wives you know what i mean like there's just this they do say that they do say you can put on a pillow it it there's something like quite beautiful about the coop and mel sort of like yearning and nostalgia for sure um it's a little harder to buy on coop's front with the aforementioned three other women that he is like, you know, flirting with inside of this episode. That being said, I think the moment at the end of the episode with Mel and the and the fireball birthday gift and the brown like sack lunch bag was very, very good.
I love that it's there versus the Mel Tini, which like nick was right about that a dirty margin like he was right he's just the wrong guy but it was but it's not like he's this blundering idiot not paying attention i mean he is to a certain degree because she didn't want this party in the first place but like in terms of that like i know what you like like i pay attention i know what cocktail you like unfortunately coops like i know what childhood candy you like which is just like a little hits a little harder i'm just gonna wrap this up with a with a bow like the bow in mel's hair at this party and say with love and respect all of this which again has great opportunity to capture my interest um you can't do sad middle-aged white woman on a trampoline you can't do it after the leftovers use the wu-tang clan to do it so um there's only room in prestige tv for one cathartic trampoline jump and it's it really is already spoken it belongs to gary coon i'm so sorry and regina king we should say like yeah and regina king definitely so like i don know, put her a sad swing set? I don't know what other thing we could have done. But as soon as I saw her on the trampoline, I was like, we can't do this.
It belongs to another show. How are you feeling about this whole plot? I also enjoy it.
And I think you isolated something in there in the contrast between Coop and Nick that's that's really interesting right that difference between the meltini and the candies or or really the party and the candies in the unassuming brown paper bag is it's like sort of the difference between knowing things about someone versus knowing someone like nick knows these things that she likes and coop knows that she doesn't want the pomp and circumstance she doesn't want the glowing table party with all of her friends and all of her family there like she wants something lower key right and he knows that enough to present it to her in a way that like that's the kind of familiarity that i love seeing in a show and that kind of like shorthand storytelling of these people really have this bond they may not have always worked they may not have been a good pair by the end of their relationship the end of their marriage but they get each other on a fundamental level and i i like that for the mel character you know i think in some sense you could look at mel and say she's going through her own parallel crisis in this yeah in some ways is independent of coop but in some ways can never be right like they are they share custody of their children they're constantly working together the their separation is still so fresh that they're both processing it in their own ways and so the idea that she kind of keeps getting pulled back to him in various capacities within the show i think makes good sense for where that character is this is also i think a really strong uh tori episode tori gets this confrontation with her dad where she's like you didn't even try You didn't even fight for us you just like peaced out and I think again that is sort of fulfilling something that I was hoping for where again I was listening to you know a different review of the show where they were identifying Mel as like the villain and which is never something that I thought but I could see from a certain point of view you're like cheating spouse maybe you could put her in in that bucket if you wanted to I mean I'm the villain in the way that like law enforcement is the villain in goodfellas like I I don't understand I I don't agree but I'm like I can see if you were expecting a different kind of show or I don't know something like that but like you don't put Amanda Pete to just give her make her like a cardboard cheating spouse I want your money kind of show or I don't know, something like that. But like, you don't put Amanda Peet to just give her make her like a cardboard cheating spouse, I want your money kind of character.
And so here we are several episodes later, but we were getting hints of this throughout, I would say. And so this table turning of us being in Coop's perspective and him being like, poor, poor, pitiful me, all this stuff happened to me, right? My job was taken from me and I didn't do anything to deserve that.
My marriage was taken from me. I didn't do anything to deserve that.
My kids, blah, blah, blah. To what was your role in all of this? As characters have been asking him throughout, his BFF Barney is asking him, like, you think this has nothing to do with you? Where you've landed here? You are but a passenger on this vehicle.
So I think Tori calling it out so explicitly was really good inside of this episode. It needed some of that sort of calling out.
And I'm sure it'll continue to happen from various characters. I think Tori doing it specifically, as you said, not just why didn't you fight for us and our family, but you're like not showing up in general.
And people are starting to take notice that every time there's a group meeting, you're off robbing somebody's house, eyeing now the paintings on the wall, which is a bad idea. Don't ever get into art theft.
It seems really messy. Overall though, I would say, on the counterpoint to that, you get Tori and her mom with Mel doing her makeup.
And I think a lot of really tender and earnest moments in this episode in particular. I thought this was easily the most earnest this show has been between that, between Mel and Allie getting to interact and you see the kind of like relief that Mel has that Allie showed up to her party.
And Joe, as someone who loves a musical moment, how did you feel about Allie's impromptu acoustic performance of Hold Me me now the song that she just talked about in therapy that she was not able to even listen to as recently as i don't know a couple weeks ago um i do love a musical moment yeah um i do enjoy the thompson twins umie was giving energy that I was not,

when she was like, yeesh, I'm going to fix this with,

anyway, here's Wonderwall, was like.

This is the problem with people who come tethered to an acoustic guitar,

or in this case, I guess, need their nephew to go fetch one,

but they just can't be trusted in these circumstances.

Fetch me my guitar.

Let me grab this stool. I don't know.
And then everyone was like, oh, I love this acoustic rendition of the Thompson twins. That's what they showed up for.
It was a person they don't know singing the Thompson twins. I was baffled by this moment and what I was meant to feel about it.
But we do. So let me run through a few side plots that we have inside this episode.
Barty has money troubles of his own. Yep.
And a very hot wife. I will say on that front, she makes a very compelling case as to why he shouldn't worry about the money, I guess.
Don't throw your toothbrush on the floor. I don't care how compelling the case is.
Don't do it. He's not using that toothbrush again.
Don't worry about it. You might as well have thrown it in the trash it's over it's over why i hope i really hope so but i don't know we see characters on tv do some truly nasty things with their toothbrushes i want to say um one moment that i loved in terms of like uh lived in relationship feelings that are not over explained when they're playing golf and and barney like hits the hits the ball and kook goes there you go barney as if to be like and now we know that barney historically sucks at golf and kook is like constantly trying to bolster him which i really liked that moment because um kook's sister ally who you mentioned uh a goes to therapy b watches old episodes of jeopardy that's that was like quite an old episode i could tell by the font on the uh on the categories okay um coop's parents remain the worst yep um well at least at least the mom the dad is at least a little better he's better but like if you stay married to her and sort of like silently complicit you also suck also um nana isn't racist anymore um deeply relatable there's that uber driver she told us about deeply relatable element of this show uh lou has him on camera coming and going quite frequently in a way that i found truly alarming yeah um well we should say coop and elena are doing fucking work out there like the part of thetracking is the montaging of their relationship where now he has a big old pile of money.
Like, they've been doing jobs. I guess that's true.
And then last but not least, Rob, when do you think Chekhov's Maserati trunk latch is going to, I don't know, reveal a dead body or something? The only question to me is, will it have a body or will it have stolen goods yeah will it be the painting or will it be uh the sat key answers or will it be a dead body i don't know i kind of think it's the body i think the the follow-up to the cold open scene we saw of coob trying to mop up the blood is he feels scared about his presence there in general and potential evidence linking him to this body and so he decides to take the body and then the trunk pops at some point in front of i i don't know who but obviously someone who should not see a dead body in his trunk someone not great i would guess um okay what have we not hit that you want to make sure that we hit here i like i i don't know what to do with Sam. Olivia Munn, I enjoy her performance on this show a lot.

I think there's very satisfying parts of her just getting to like talk shit to paul in this episode say her piece i enjoy the lines also loved when her friend when paul's like can we have a moment and her friends are like no absolutely not that's not how this works um i also think to to her and john ham credit, like there's some real heat in their performances. Like there's a chemistry there that really works.
Her response to seeing another woman at Coop's place being, I'm going to send him some tasteful nudes. I just don't know what this character is and what version of humanity it even vaguely represents.
It's very messy. And it was like so, it was so clunky when like he walks live out and she gives him a kiss and i was like it has to be olivia munn in the driveway watching this like of course it is and that's just like a little boring honestly um okay anything else about this episode before we get to our final uh very lengthy basketball email that we got from john joe i do have one more thing yeah we finally got a concrete answer as to why coop was not concerned about walking into his ultra rich friend's homes and did not seem to pay any mind to the possibility of a security camera apparently he's been using like a wi-fi related jamming device this whole time and i guess they just forgot to tell us but here's what i don't believe is that there aren't cameras like all over that neighborhood oh completely when he's tearing ass through like fields um well first he's running directly down the middle of a road i mean i haven't done a lot of getaways in my life that seems like bad strategy um all right here let's let's go to john's uh email which is which goes with something like this please let me know how many times i mispronounce a name or something like that okay john says of your trying to identify a single uh nba player here i don't think there's any one player that hits all the signifiers three-time all-star olympian one-time nba champ played for the knicks somewhere in-6-7 range with a slender frame the UConn logo on Knicks court though led me down a husky alumni path which led me to two more players in the mix Rip Hamilton and Karen Butler did I pronounce that correctly? That's Karan.
That sounds better than Karen Butler okay Karan all right Rip three-time all one-time champ, doesn't fit the Knicks or the Olympics part of the profile, but does have a similar build as Nick, who to me feels like a shooting guard. The internet notes that Mark Tallman is 6'3", though he's probably trying to pull off 6'5", 6'6", for his show.
That rim is probably 8.59 feet for the purpose of making the dunk look easier. Butler, two-time All-Star, one-time champ, also does not fit the Knicks or Olympic mold, but he's more of a defensive player than Rip, which fits Knicks offering 1,000 to anyone who could score in him.
I feel like Rip would offer 1,000 to anyone who could keep him from scoring. Butler probably has a bit too thick of a frame to really be Knick, though.
But the biggest what-the-fuck moment of Knicks career, and this is something I learned, thanks so much, John, the biggest what-the-fuck moment of Knicks career for career free was the fact that he wore number 79 i have never in my life seen that number on an nba jersey if it wasn't for luca popularizing number 77 any number above 55 would probably look out of place aside from your occasional oh i can't i can't pronounce any of these names or later blah blah if basketball references correct that number has never been worn in any nba game that is true ramoni a character weigh in on john's email i'll take the last part first uh number 79 to me reads as a novelty commemorative jersey of some kind and not his like he did 79 thing like sometimes you would see this for example players were recently given jerseys who played the entire season 82 games with a jersey that had 82 on it the problem is i don't know what the hell 79 would be and i agree ultimately with john they're like 79 is not a jersey that anybody in the nba has ever worn or realistically would probably wear very very unusual number uh but i think he he hits at the heart of what makes the comp just so elusive and i think it's really the combination of only a three-time all-star, but also a member of an Olympic team and also famous enough that he would be on magazine covers, but not so exorbitantly wealthy that he wouldn't need a post-career second pivot to owning his own gym. Like we're trying to thread a very specific needle here that I think Karan Butler and Rip Hamilton gets close to, but I stand by Richard Jefferson, I gotta say.
Okay. Well, thank you so much to John.
Thanks so much for teaching me how to pronounce Karan Butler. And thank you to Justin Sales for his work on this podcast feed.
It's been a hectic few weeks here on the feed. So thank you so much to Justin for everything he does.
Thanks to Kevin Pooler for jumping in on this. Kevin's new to to our feed and really appreciate all the work that he did on this episode.

Ramon. and for everything he does.
Thanks to Kevin Pooler for jumping in on this. Kevin's new to our feed and really appreciate all the work that he did on this episode.
Ramahony, I appreciate you. Thank you, Joe.
I appreciate you too. Thanks so much.
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