‘The White Lotus’ Season 3 Finale: Fatal Attraction

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Yeah, moments ago. Real time.
Spotify theater. Shit went down.
Bodies. Yeah.
Multiple bodies. I don't even know where to start.
The coconut milk is off. We could start there.
The coconut milk is off. The LaCoria is okay.
Yeah. The coconut milk is off.
That's true. We have five dead bodies.
I have a lot of questions, but your instant reaction. We didn't even acknowledge each other's left.
No. Your instant reaction, Jo? There's like two stories that I really, really love the way they ended.
And I really am excited to think about them and talk about them. And then there's a lot of other things that happen that I need more time than we have to process, I think.
So like a thumb sideways? Yeah, sideways thumb. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Mel? I am processing in real time, too. We've only seen it once.
It was extra hefty, a very ample, poisoned fruit pod. I liked a few of the storylines quite a bit as well and found them very moving.
I have questions about a couple of them. I really loved the season overall, but I'm excited to talk to you guys about whether we think season three of White Lotus tipped a little too far into mystery first and, like, let's all chase the theorizing all season and then it's really about that at the end.
I think the first two seasons were about that a little bit but mostly about what's going on in here and that that was a slightly more successful formula than what we got here. But I had fun.
What do you think Mike White was trying to do with this because way more bodies than we've ever had. Right.
More episode, a longer episode count, more bodies on the ground than ever before. More religious and spiritual than we've ever had.
More ambitious in terms of going out to like big parties, going to a different city entirely. Yes.
Fate seems to be the number one thing here. You have Belinda basically becoming Tanya in some ways where she's like, and more than some ways, willingly just ready to stampede over a poor porn shy.
Yes. She basically does it.
Where's your, where's your thumb? Yeah. What's your reaction? It was the overall, the overall take.
I'd have to see it again. Yeah.
Same. I was left with more questions than answers.
I hate leading with nitpicks, but that was a lot of commotion to have on a resort and then everybody going, all right, so get on the boat. Your boat's at two o'clock.
The fancy's just sort of like, wow. Giggling all the way home.
Do you guys think this one will finally make the news? I was like, the whole time, I was like, Mallory is finally going to get her wish. First of all.
Anyone who stays with the White Lotus in season four. Exactly.
I have so many notes for everyone in season four. The three ladies are witnesses to a murder.
Yeah. And it's like, bye.
The family has the youngest son basically almost overdoses on poisoned fruit. And then he's fine.
Let's see. He'll be fine on the plane.
He's on the boat the next day. Yeah.
He seemed like he didn't feel great on the boat, to be fair. You know? And everybody just kind of goes off.
Belinda just goes off. Even though we saw in the first episode, Belinda's son is in the water with a dead body floating by him.
Yeah. Like, all right.
Five million dollars. Thanks, Thailand.
I'll see you later. I think that's just one of the bodyguards that floated by him.
It could be. It could be.
Yeah, it could be either of the bodyguards. I think that because Rick and Chelsea were in the physical manifestation of the thematic yin and yang that Chelsea had previously mentioned, it wasn't them that floated towards Zion because that seemed to be a sole person.
Given where Chelsea's bullet hole was in the yin and yang, where do you think Rick's bullet hole was then? You know, he seemed to catch back shoulder a little bit. And, you know, we had heard from Chelsea this yin and yang, this eternal battle, hope, pain.
Which would win out? Neither wins, I guess. Just a very, this is a very depressing end to the season.
A very cynical season, I would say. In terms of what we take with us.
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I'm a I'm a I'm aon as Lori. Yeah.
I'm interested to talk about that one. Who basically by the end of the week is like, you know what? I was just happy to be here.
And I don't care if I kind of sold my soul out for the week, but it was a pleasure to be in your company. I have a quick question for you guys.
Okay. If you're like, I love that you're beautiful.
I love that you have a beautiful life. And then you guys go, that's nice.
That's nice. And say nothing nice to me.
Very nice bookend to the beginning when there were compliments going. And they're like, you're also here, Lori.
And you're here. And you have two arms and two legs and a head.
And you sure are here, Lori. So she sells out a little bit because her vacation got paid for.
Belinda sells out a little bit. Tim is the big one where we had to watch Tim just brooding and kept expecting some sort of resolution.
Like we theorized he would get the phone and he'd find out like, hey, this blew over. We're going to be good.
And said that didn't happen. We don't know.
Well, Saxon's face looking at his phone seems... Here's what I would like to believe.
That Saxon is not reading fucking shit from Terry Office or anyone else about Tim Ratliff's scandal, and he is instead hopefully reading a note from Chloe who seems preoccupied looking for the guy to fuck so Greg Garry can watch, but hopefully an update that Chelsea died so that Saxon can go back and mourn her properly. I don't think that's what's going to happen at all.
That's my headcanon. That's the old headcanon.
That's sweet. These resorts aren't that big.
If there's gunshots everywhere and multiple bodies and police and Thailand police, nobody's leaving that resort for like 12 hours. And you're like, wait, did we know anybody? Who got killed? The guy who owns the hotel.
Two other people. Some lady.
Like what lady? The woman who changed your life, Saxon. The woman who made you a reader.
Doesn't doesn't matter well he he reads fast so he went to Duke he went to Duke after all that killed me I was really laughing at that that was so funny there was some great early Ratliff comedy in this episode we all very energetic we all cracked up at Parker Posey's face when Piper comes back and is like um I don't think the food was organic right and there was like was like a stain on the mattress. Very bland.
And Victoria's trying really hard to just be like, just passively take it in and not throw herself a parade and then she can't help it. And she's like, let's buy you something from the boutique, babe.
You're no longer wearing cute little prairie dresses, whole new wardrobe, new piper. Let's go.
We spent all season debating like who was the Emmy frontrunner. I think Parker Posey sealed it with the facial expressions alone in this episode just absolutely iconic possibly probably Parker Posey Sam Rockwell I don't know Carrie Coon made a really strong run the last couple of episodes I'm excited to talk I have a slightly slightly different but not totally different but slightly different read on the Laurie well can we go big picture because I'm trying to anticipate how this is dissected tonight and tomorrow.
I thought, I really love season one. I thought season two was executed perfectly.
And I really thoroughly enjoyed watching season three, but I don't think they landed the plane in a lot of the same ways. Just too many open-ended questions even coming out of this.
I get what they're trying to do, but for eight episodes, the amount of time they spent setting everything up, I think they have some loose ends. So what are your loose ends that you want to talk about? Some of the nitpick stuff.
Rick, the last episode, they skewed out of there after he pushes over Jim Hollinger to get away from the bodyguards and then just goes back to the resort like everything's cool. Hey, what are we doing for breakfast? Like he doesn't think there's going to be any repercussions.
Rick has been inept. Yeah, this is the no prep con man.
But how stupid do you have to be though? Obviously you have to get the fuck out of the resort like that day. Hey honey, we're out.
I just got into a thing with Jim Hollinger. We're out.
He gets there, yeah, the night before. He's like, pack your bag.
Like, he shouldn't have even gone back to the resort. Right.
Given that he went back to the resort. Can we meet me at the airport at 6.30? Famously, those two were calling each other all season long and missing each other's calls.
So, quick text. Hey, meet me here.
Why not? Yeah. Appalling that he not only went back to the resort, was just sort of like, let's have a leisurely fruit-filled breakfast.
That contraption with the donuts on the prongs, though. I'm glad we got to see that because I thought that was wonderful.
I would love a donut tree. Is that on offer? I'll get you one.
A donut tree? Well, so a couple things we theorized. Yeah.
Yeah. Ended up hitting.
Yeah. The toxic evil fruit.
Does it feel good? That was going to come back. Does it feel good? As soon as the fruit went in the blender, did you feel good about it? I did.
Yeah. Ied up hitting the toxic evil fruit.
Does it feel good?

Does it feel good? As soon as the fruit went in the blender, did you feel good about it? I did. Yeah.
You know, another nitpick is the dad's just going to leave the poison stuff in the blender. Yeah, I'm going to head to bed.
That's when I started yelling at the screen. Yeah.
You got to wash the poison out of the blender. Rinse the blender out.
Yeah, here's my major. I mean, Rick coming back to the white lotus i don't mind a one uh mode of death fake out so oh no he's poured poison pina coladas for the whole family and then he slaps it out of saxon's hand it's genuinely hilarious jomi was laughing his head off like it was great but then to have another death fake out with the same like poison drink yeah you know what i mean like your double poison poison drink faking out the audience.
That was not my favorite. How about this? The poison fruit tree, a little overrated.
Couldn't get the job done. Multiple chances to murder the rat lips.
Couldn't do it. Yeah.
A total bust. Like Dale took a sip.
Parker Posey took a big swig. Top draft pick and a total bust.
Yeah, you would think somebody would have at least like some gastrointestinal cramping or something from just the one to two sip crowd.

But no, they're all completely fine.

I thought they would be up all night.

Shit themselves.

Yeah, exactly. Same.

Pam, you oversold the tree.

Oversold it.

Let's go back to the beginning and then we can tackle everybody in groups here.

Okay.

So, start of the episode, the Buddha's talking.

Everyone's looking sad. And the Buddha says it becomes easier to accept.
There is no resolution. And I was trying to wonder, is Mike White talking to us? There's going to be no resolution in this episode.
Well, that turned out to be wrong because five people died. The rat lifts.
We'll start with them. Okay.
Piper, nice one 80 one night on a cot. Great.
want Lockheed to come with her. Says, just let me fuck up my own life.
Okay. Has the big hug with the mom.
So her arc is basically, she's full of shit, rich kid who dabbled in the, I'm going to try to save the world and try to find my inner self. And it lasted 24 hours.
So now she's hopeless. This is exact.
Well, but now she has to go home and find out that she's like, oh, my God, maybe I am a princess. And then Victoria gives this epic speech about no one's ever lived as well as we have.
Oh, my God. Not even the kings and queens of old.
Right. And we have to enjoy it or else it's insulting if we don't.
I don't know if that was true, Victoria. No.
I don't know if you're letting billions of people down by not enjoying it Nope, I don't think that's the case But for Piper to be like maybe I am just a spoiled princess and I should just embrace it and she starts again wearing different clothing that her mom bought for her for her to then go home to a rude awakening of no money presumably is interesting Yeah, worst case You have to sell all your principles and then live without the thing you just sold them for anyway. Saxon reading.
What was he reading? Did you get a look at the book? I have slacked our producers to see if they can get the title. He was reading.
I wrote it down. Hold on.
He was reading. I know that he was reading Pima.
Start Where You Are by Pima Chodron, who's like a well-known Buddhist writer sort of person. But I thought the way that like Chelsea was talking about Pima's work earlier in terms of like, there are these groups and they're full of people you have met or you haven't met.
We could be in the same group or not. Yes.
I thought that was really interesting. Yeah, and that's like been part of the theme of the season too, you know, including even like Tim's meeting with the monk at the monastery.
This idea of like this drop of water, the return, what are you a part of? And that opening note from the first episode in Piper's book, Identity is a Prison. Well, like which characters not only were able or were not able to break out of that, obviously, like, Rick is not able to ultimately, right? But which characters even wanted to? Which characters were even ultimately interested in trying to? It's a really short list this season.
Well, that's interesting, but I think what's also interesting is, like, which are the characters who moved into a new identity and that identity is the prison? And that's what I think of. I think of Guy Talk.
I think of Belinda. Absolutely.
It's like they've, he's like, I am a badass bodyguard now. Belinda's like, I am a multimillionaire now.
But that is a prison that they have created for themselves full of moral compromise. Pornchise, just a pleaser.
Lockie's just a pleaser. That was great that the callback to Lockie's corrective posture, like pleaser, people pleaser.
You know, you meet people on their plane of reality, but what's your plane of reality? Well, that was part of the Rat Left arc, the Lockie Saxon, a little tense. Saxon says, no one's going to make you a man.
You got to do it yourself about the thing. And then, well, that's why he made his smoothie.
So don't worship me. Meaning don't worship, worship me.
Yeah. And Lock'm a pleaser um i saw you lying there and you felt left out that was very phil do you want to share with the audience what you said when he said that uh what did i say tell me locky made some good points you did like you did look left out you were left out yeah right there on the bed.
The beds are very close to each other in a yacht cabin, you know? Is Saxon bummed out if Lockie overdoses and dies from the poison blender? Yes, I think he carries the guilt with him forever. Okay.
Without question. Lockie makes that smoothie on his own because Saxon has been telling him all season, drink these shakes, buff, we got to buffing you up and then like, and then that, no one's going to make a man

out of you.

You have to do it yourself

and like that's Lockheed's way

of trying to do it himself

is to just like mimic

the behavior

of this other person anyway.

I think he would be,

but it's torn up.

Is your question,

that's one less person

who knows what happened

on the odd?

Then it's just Chloe and Chelsea.

There's only two left.

Chelsea's gone.

Chelsea's gone.

Chelsea's gone. Does Saxon know? Hard to say.
Mel, can I ask you a question? Since we're heavily into our Last of Us prep. Yeah.
When the rat lifts are like going to breakfast and Lockie's sort of like twitching in the foreground, were you thinking about Nana Adler and the cordyceps? Did you have a raisin cookie? Yeah, exactly. Any infected flower? Yeah.
Yeah. I didn't get that joke.
I'm sorry. You're missing out, man.
You're missing out. The dad asked Lockie, you think you could live with no money? He said, yeah, I think I could.
He passed the, you don't have to drink the poison blender. But then what would the cost of that have been before Tim has his moment of looking into his son's eyes and knocking the glass out of his hand? He's going to leave the one child he thinks is prepared and equipped to cope with his failure to mourn all of them? Are you saying he might be a bad dad? Need to pick.
Christ. I would like to ask the legal department to weigh in on this.
Surely Tim Ratliff has life insurance. Does Lockie, is that safe from the feds? Oh, I don't know.
The life insurance payout on Tim Ratliff? Oh, that's a good question. And would Lockie be set up? I don't know if there's a poison my family life insurance piece.
Probably not. I think the life insurance company's fighting that.
We got to see Pam again. She brought the phones back.
Wonderful stuff for Pam. Warned him about the suicide trees because, God forbid, they just got rid of the suicide trees in the Thailand resort.
Just keep those things around. As it turns out, just causes a slight tummy ache.
You throw up a couple times in the pool, you get to commune with God, then you go about your day. So you think not only overrated, but just completely full of shit.
Because there was like enough residue left with the drink he made and he drank all of it that according to what she said, he should have died. I mean, I don't know the lethality of the individual seed.
Tim did put a whole lot of seeds in that blender. Many garlic cloves.
But is your, are you positing that if it had just been that seed without the sort of like pina colada and then the dump out and then the protein powder and then the water, it would have gotten the job done? No, because I think it's as potent no matter what. If he finished it, he's still finishing the seed, right? Yeah.
I was waiting for him to get rushed to the hospital because we had the snake bite and the canonically established distance of the hospital, but no, we just had some extended cradling. So when he makes everybody some pina coladas, first of all, I would be immediately suspicious if my dad out of nowhere was like, I've made us all pina coladas.
It's like, that's weird. You've never seen you drink one in your life.
This guy's like a scotch whiskey dude. He is a whiskey.
He's making pina coladas out of nowhere and ordering it to the room. When in Thailand, probably that's not the origin of a pina colada.
And he says, I couldn't ask for a more perfect family.

Then flips it, knocks the glass out.

Coconut milk is off, my bad.

And Vicky says, is that it, Tim?

Have you heard of wine?

Another great Vicky.

Vicky was on a heater.

Her batting average is like 900.

Sensational Vicky family.

And once again, if you're going nitpicks, another nitpick is the family is just,

the dad is acting deranged at this point. And none of the is like hey mom what's going on with dad yeah dad's fucking crazy Jackson tried a little last week he got rid of all of our phones he's been in a drug stupor for five days and he just made his pina coladas and then knocked the glass out of my hand before I finished it and now he's going to bed I think I thinking about that.
And I think a problem of this is that they've known him his whole life. Yes.
And so he's been acting weird for like four days, but he's been acting weird the entire time we've known him. Do you know what I mean? And so it's just like, they're like, okay, dad's having a weird week, but it's four days in the span of the decades that they've known him.
You know? Yeah, that makes sense. I've definitely been in funks around my family.
Not drug funks where I've tried to murder everybody. And not force feeding the pina coladas.
Not just letting the bathrobe open in the middle of the common area. No, not dropping the chair.
Not my prosthetic. So Lockie makes his own protein drink out of a dirty blender.
Another nitpick. Clean the blender.
That's disgusting. That's disgusting.
In college, you wouldn't do that. He's a senior in high school.
In college, you at least rinse it out. It's disgusting.
That was tough. My take on that, he sticks his little snout in there and he sniffs it.
My take was he was like, ooh, I get a little bit of pina colada and my dad said I couldn't have it, but I get to have it. They stuck me with a Coke, but now I get a sip.
Well, then we get the death scene. We get drops, and we get men waiting on top of the water looking down.

Looked like monks to me.

Sure did.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You think that's what you see when you die?

I always thought if you're going to hell, you see the shadows in Ghost when the guy-

Yeah, yeah.

That's what I think happens with hell.

Maybe this is heaven.

You look up, and there's just monks.

And there's just monks.

And a circle around you.

I mean-

In Mallory's case, it would be Cal Ripken Jr., Lamar Jackson. No? Manny Machado.
Only if he wins the Super Bowl. Gunnar Henderson.
Yeah. Who is it for Bill? Who are the four dudes? Harrison Ford.
That would be great. Tom Brady.
Who would be Witness Harrison Ford? Yeah. Like specific haircut Harrison Ford.
No one's ever looked better than Harrison Ford and Witness, specifically in the Sam Cook scene in the barn when he looks over looks over the roof of the car. That's his peak.
That's peak. So you're going to miss this on the Witness rewatchables because you're leaving.
Wow. Wow.
Emotional blackmail. Wow.
Cruel. That's what happens when you don't live here.
You miss the Witness rewatchables. Brutal.
If only Mallory has ever had that conversation with me about that one Harrison Ford scene 20 million times. Wait, no.
Yeah. Who are Bill's four people waiting for Bill on the other side of the pool? I'd like to think it would be family members.
Well, that was what was interesting about Lockie not seeing his family and seeing them because he has made that choice. Like, I think when he told Piper last week, hey, I just had this thought, what if I stayed? It's this like panic processing in real time what he has had to acknowledge about himself.
He has that says to her like, I don't want to give into my dark shit. Like, I don't want to make things worse.
And then in this episode, you know, the next morning, he's still like, this is what I think I should do. And does actually seem to feel the pull and to feel the draw in a way that is actually maybe more sincere than what Piper ultimately felt.
Like for him to see, okay, this could have been maybe my awakening. This could have been maybe my salvation and I'm about to lose it and lose everything else too.
And not to see his family, not to see Chad, will you pick UNC or Duke? Like it was none of the stuff that they spent all season arguing about and pulling over him. Brotherly tug.
Yep. Got it.
I wrote down, wait, Lockie isn't dead. He really jerked us around.
Oh, nice, nice, nice. I thought he wasn't going to acknowledge the jerk off humor, but he was just waiting because he had his own.
I had my own jerk joke. When, when he does before.
Competing jerk jokes. Love it.
I'll miss this. When he, before he sees the monks, he's sort of blinking in his long non-death scene.

He does see all of them.

Yeah.

In like the blinks of his eyes as he's like dying.

Drops off the ocean.

Drops off the ocean.

Also, people have been, in terms of people predicting who is going to die, in the opening

credits, Lachlan is like floating in the water.

So a lot of people thought Lachlan might die.

And so we do get this extended floating in the water sequence, but it turns out it's the water of your mind. They say it's a happy return.
This is why we don't study trailers. As we also talked about in terms of the opening credits, the very worrying zoom in, like camera jump and zoom in on Amy Liu's name and the bloodied, broken animal carcass.
Yep. So.
You know what else I really liked about this whole, like with the, what do you call it? The forest? What's outside? The jungle? The wildlife? The pseudo jungle? Okay. The jungle, yeah.
I liked when the monkeys got all excited during the, when the gunshots, when they started jumping around. I was like, oh like, oh my god.
Where are we going with the monkeys? None of them actually pulled a trigger though. Thoughts, feelings? Are you in an active state of mourning? Are we all monkeys inherently? The monkey mind? Got primal for a second.
What was with they were like fumigating? But never, you know, a guy talks like what's going like the hollanders are back i was like no but what's going on with the very aesthetic smoke that you're putting all around the place yeah that was an odd kind of transition shot of doom we're done with the rat lift so any last thoughts before we move to the fancies um i don't have a lot of hope for them going forward i think they're going broke and and they don't seem like they're a strong family. Well, who is best equipped though to deal with what? The reckoning that presumably now awaits.
Saxon. Fucking Saxon.
Saxon. Armed with his literature, armed, and the thing that is, his literature, he went one book.
He's got more. He has a soulmate, he's already dead.
He's on the second. She threw a whole, he threw a whole library into his lap, goddammit.
Now, I think it is actually, this is one of my favorite parts of the season, unsurprisingly. I've been Team Saxon from day one.
Great performance. Interesting character.
We love a character on an arc. The fact that Chelsea was not able in those final moments, this is not her fault, to be clear.
This is Rick's. The tragedy of it, right? That he couldn't break the karmic cycle like Amrita had pled with him and begged.
Like, Chelsea saying, stop thinking about the love you've lost. Think about the love that's right in front of you.
I'm paraphrasing. Does Adam say that to you? Adam, happy birthday.
I'm sorry that I'm at work instead of with you celebrating. Happy birthday, Adam.
See that? There it is. That is so sweet.
You're a great one. The fact that Rick was like, I'm going to go do this anyway.

But Saxon's life has actually been changed by just spending one week with Chelsea.

Maybe.

I choose to believe that it has actually been changed.

I think he was more changed by the jerk-off night.

Well, yeah, also that.

I think that was where you really look in the mirror and go, where's my life going?

What happened?

People, a lot of people impact you in your life.

Joe informed us about the similarities to the journey of the Buddha last episode.

A little high sparrow coded as well, right?

You know, a night of debauchery and then what?

Will Saxon ever put a pair of sneakers on again?

Who can say, I'm rooting for that guy. That's all I know.
So going forward, Ratliff's get divorced. Tim's disgraced.
Yeah. Saxon probably tries to get his own startup going, which will be tough with the way the stock market's going this week.
Good luck, Tim. Anyway.
Piper joins the nonprofit. Lockie comes back to Thailand.
Yeah. He comes back.
I mean, he has no money for college, so. Yeah, he comes back.
He's just going to live there. At the very least a gap year, probably.
What money is he using to get on the flight to Thailand? That's true. Probably saving up some bonds that he got for birthdays.
The fancies we can rip through quick. Oh, man.
Everything's fine again. We're back to just being super phony with one another.
This was disappointing to me, I think. Yeah, I don't.
It felt like an hour and a half long show, but it felt like there was one good scene missing with them. Yeah, I liked that Jacqueline, when Jacqueline goes to wake Lori up and she says, I want to be your friend.
I thought that was a really good moment. I would have loved just like a little, like she talks about, you know, people judge me for my superficial flaws.
you judge me for my profoundly deep flaws you know I thought I thought that was good but I just wanted just a little bit more from Jacqueline she's like good news I'm in the pit season two I'm playing an internist I joined in episode eight I can't wait to start watching out. You're going to have a great time.
I'm excited. I agree with both of you about this plot line and the storyline overall.

I certainly think that given the level that the tension reached last episode, it felt like we were, okay, we could have stood to have one or two more moments.

But I was genuinely, I'm a sucker maybe, but I was like really moved by what Laurie had to say. I was going to say, I thought that was the best scene in the show.
When she said the thing about time. Yes.
I thought that was beautiful. I thought this was lovely.
And like, as you get older, you have to justify your life and your choices. And when I'm with you guys, it's just life transparent what my choices were.
And I was thinking back to the way that like, at the beginning of the season that like, you know, when I'm with you guys, it's like looking in a mirror and there's the blonde blob aspect to it, all of the similarities, the shared origin, and then the different branches off of that like tree trunk. But when you're looking in a mirror and you're with other people and they remind you of that, it's like you also are, what are you doing? You're seeing yourself, right? You're seeing the way that the choices they've made and the places they've gone in life remind

you of your own limitations, shortcomings, failings. And I thought this was just such a,

like, when we talk about more broadly over the episode in the season, what are the takeaways?

What are the lessons? What is like the message about life or relationships or family or desire?

You chase pleasure, you find pain, et. This one was so, like, real, I thought, you know, especially inside of that friend dynamic where the bickering and the fighting and the tearing each other down.
I think there's something there with, like, women are pitted against each other in friendships or professional relationships, and they're, like, positioned by society to be inclined to tear each other down and being competitive with each other. And so like for just a moment to rise above that and say like, I don't know, you guys remind me that like I'm still here.
I thought it was really lovely. I think part of it is depressing that like we talked about last week, the possibility of what's more depressing if they like fracture or they don't actually.
But there was something I thought really comforting about the idea that you can like work your way back to something that feels like a nucleus in your in your past i liked them coming back together and i mentioned this last week when i was like what do i want them from the finale i wanted them to come back together in the way that i always wanted the succession kids to hug like this is what i always want but i don't know that i feel like it was one million percent earned exactly yeah uh Lori's epiphany that she got maybe when her pants were falling down and she was trying to crawl out of I thought it was when she was watching them take selfies I mean because she's watching from afar when they're in the pool and she's getting sad watching it I thought she was getting sad because yeah she was a part of the group but I think she was getting sad because she was like oh this is like we were doing whatever version of this when we were 12 I think it's all part of the group. But I think she was getting sad because she was like, oh, this is like,

we were doing whatever version of this when we were 12.

I think it's all part of it.

But I think she isn't in a place

to absorb that

if she doesn't have her adventure

with Alexei the night before.

Right.

If she's not asked for $10,000

to save somebody's mother.

PayPal? Sell? Cash app?

I love that they're like,

none of them were looking at Valentin

when he comes to the table

in that last scene,

the last dinner scene. Like, they're just like, it's not about you, dude.
It's not about you anymore. Yeah, exactly.
Like, we're trying to connect here. Yeah.
And I think that, I thought the Lori, Mike White writing that speech for Lori really felt like something that Mike White himself had worked out for himself. Yeah.
In terms of she's like, I tried work as my religion. Yes.
I tried a loving, like, a romantic relationship as my religion. Being a mother.
Parenthood didn't really work out for me. But me just being here.
Guess what? I'm still here. Totally.
In the words of Stephen Sondheim. She's like, I'm still here.
And that counts for something. She says, time gives it meaning.
Yeah. That was beautiful.
This is the old Michael Mann theme in all the Michael Mann movies. Our guy from the Rewatchables.
I love that you both managed to make that about Sondheim and Michael Mann. That was great.
Very on brand. That's who's waiting for us on the other side of the pool.
Sondheim for me, Michael Mann for Bill. Well, Michael Mann was a big time is luck.
That's what he would always say in his movies about how much luck you need just to keep existing. Yeah.
Yes. There's something here too about, because she's able to kind of find that contentment, embrace just like the reality of life.
It feels like a lesson learned in the face of hard truths. Like they all said really terrible things to each other.
We talk about this a lot when we're covering stuff. Like sometimes you have to work through something really deeply unpleasant and see if you can make it to the other side.
I think we felt it more, certainly more with Laurie than with Jacqueline and Kate, but they all had to receive that. The thing that Laurie heard was like, well, the thing you're disappointed about always changes, but the pattern is you're always disappointed.
And there was like a lot of sorrow behind what she said here, but there was like a certain level of peace that fell for her, maybe quite new. And I love that for her.
And I think that that's important for her to work through internally. I still would like for Jacqueline and Kate on their journey to come up the other side of this vacation being like, and you, Laurie, have a beautiful something.
Something, fill in the blank something. I don't care what you say.
Sense of humor, personality. I don't care what it is.
You know what her revenge is going to be? When Carrie Coon's accepting the Emmy for Best Supporting Actress in a Drama.

We just gave it to Parker Posey.

How many Emmys are we handing out?

God.

I don't want to choose.

They'll put Parker Posey in the lead.

You know, someone wrote in to let us know that they've never put a White Lotus actor in the lead Emmy category.

They're all always in Supporting.

All right.

So if you win Carrie Coon versus Parker Posey, who do you have?

Fuck.

Versus probably Amy Lou

is probably also.

Different vibes.

Yeah.

If it's me, I'm giving

it to Parker Posey for

this season.

I'm torn.

Every time I try to

power rank my favorite

performances, I'm like

genuinely thought Patrick

Schwarzenegger was great.

Stop telling the

wrestling.

Pick. Amy Lou was great.
No. Carrie Coon was great.
Parker Posey was great. I refuse.
I don't have to pick because I don't vote. I'd pick Carrie Coon.
Great. I'll pick Amy Liu.
I thought she was awesome. Carrie's incredible.
And I think Carrie should have a heap of Emmys. But I think in this season, I've seen Carrie do incredible things in The Leftovers, in Fargo.
I don't watch The Gilded Age, but like... You're missing out.
So you're not surprised. You weren't surprised by the performance.
I think in terms of what I want from that Jennifer Coolidge White Lotus performance is Parker Posey. I think Parker Posey is most likely certainly to win because of that precedent.
It feels like that. I think Amy Lou.
I'm going Amy Lou. I'm casting my vote for Amy Lou officially.
We ended with a drunk three lady hug with our fancies. A lot of cuddling.
They took the vote back so that Jacqueline could officially find out her husband has filed for a separation. He's so horny for her.
Because he was banging somebody on the set. They're addicted to each other.
And hopefully the pit will work out great for her. She deserves to be on the pit season two.
And maybe Lori and her kid can come out and live with Jacqueline for a little while if Jacqueline's kicking hairs in them. I heard she throws furniture.
But maybe she won't in LA. I just hope Lori didn't catch anything from Alexi.
I can't say he was, he didn't seem like the cleanest guy. Remember the dick slap? That was great.
The Russians are fine. The Russians are fine.
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Mook is like maybe my least favorite character. Mook just fell apart in sections.
She sucks. Absolutely.
Maybe that was the point of Mook. Yeah, I guess.
I think I would have been more interested in this whole plot line if Guy Talk was a more interesting actor and I just felt like he had two moves and it was pretty underwritten for what it was and it was a lot of time spent just so he could shoot Rick at the end. I don't know.
Well, this is the point. I think that it goes back to what we were talking about last week in terms of they had only so much story and too many episodes.
Yeah. I think this is a good storyline.
Like, there's this winsome young couple and we're sort of rooting for them and then she's just sort of like... Were you rooting for him though? Because I wasn't.
For a time in the middle, I was. Initially, yeah.
Yeah, at the beginning. By the last three episodes, I was not.
No. Certainly not.
Once it was clear that she was like, but you need to be ambitious and violent. And he's like, but my religion.
Hot take. Mook knows what she likes.
And that's great. But what I want for him is to just be like, okay, then you are not for me.
Yeah, it's not meant to be. She's pretty good looking.
Beautiful. He was trying to talk himself into it.
Absolutely gorgeous. But now he's got the girl and a great set of sunglasses.
And the Hollanders need new bodyguards because both of their bodyguards died. Well, we have Valentin ghost him at some point and says, I know you know if you say something, you're killing me.
And then that storyline's just done.

We've allowed them to rob the resort

and we're never going to talk about it again.

That's part of Guy Talks sacrificing

what he genuinely believes

to be right, to be good, to be decent,

the code that he wanted to live his life

by and hoped that he could

to get the things that he desires.

So desire comes in many forms.

All of the characters have a version of this,

right? Like, Guy Talks

This is... to get the things that he desires.
So desire comes in many forms. All of the characters have a version of this, right? Like, Gaetok desires more than one thing.
He desires Mook. He desires to not be repulsed by the decisions that he's made.
But those two desires are in conflict with each other. And so he makes the choice.
And like the moment of, you know, I'm down on my knee and I have the gun out and Sitala is saying, kill him, shoot him. Sitala.
I mean. Shoot him.
Shoot him. She was clear in her directive, that's for sure.
But like, this was part of a theme in the episode two of just like one degree away from making a better choice, right? Because he tells Mookie he wants to quit. And she's like, once again, I thought you were a different kind of person.
I thought you were going to do a different thing. He flat out tells Pilek, I'm not the right guy for this.
This is not for me. And he's like, why don't you think about it? Guy Talk does try to extract himself from a circumstance that he knows is not right for him.
And then he can't and he gets subsumed by it. Same thing for Rick, et cetera, et cetera.

Same thing. She's like, I'm not the right

girl for this. I'm saying, no, it's

in you, Mallory. And it was.

Podcasting is in you.

And you just put on those chains and got in that car.

Embrace your beast.

No, totally.

To your point, Mallory, there's a bunch of moments

inside of this episode where someone almost

makes the right decision.

Rick almost makes the right decision, right? Rick almost makes the right decision. Maybe if Chelsea had just stayed and eaten her donut, that was the right decision for her.
Listen, she only dropped 37 hints in the first seven episodes that something horrible was going to happen. Let's move to them.
I have Rick, Frank, and Chelsea as my next category. We only see Frank quick.
Leopard print banana hammock. Having a great time.
Incredibly memorable. Pulls the banana hammocks out.
More girls coming forward. Enough two more in the elevator.
Sensational stuff. Just our guy.
But he did go back to the monastery just like he said he would at the end. We see him him returning to a life of celibacy.
Do you think he knows that Rick is dead? I don't know. The question about news travels in this story is deeply perplexing.
He'd probably read in the Bangkok Herald that Jim Hollinger has been shot to death. Maybe.
Do you think Frank reads the Bangkok Herald? Probably not. I mean, Sitala should be after him,

right?

He was in on the con.

Sitala made it out alive.

So,

Steve,

Frank,

should be

relocating.

So you're saying

White Lotus Season 4,

Guy Tuck,

and the hunt for Frank.

Do you think,

that's actually an interesting question.

Do you think we will have

any

character

from the prior seasons make it into Season 4 like we have in every other season? Fabian didn't die, right? He just fell in the water? I was like, oh shit, Fabian's going to get his head and drown. We're going to do with Tanya again.
But then he stood up. So the only person who's been in every season is Greg Gary.
Yeah. Yeah.
Tanya was in two, Belinda's in two, Greg Gary's been in three. Greg Gary's having a great life.
Cut off the five million of Belinda.

Now he's just back trying to have his lady

try to have sex with somebody while he watches

and eventually breaks in.

Chloe was actively recruiting candidates.

Absolutely.

So his kink is real and it's happening.

You know who's stock is majorly on the rise for me

this episode?

Zion.

Zion was good.

He was very funny.

Really good Zion episode. Wait, all right.
So we got Rick, Frank, Chelsea. Last dinner, Chelsea says they're going to be together forever.
Whatever happens to you happens to me. That's what, okay, so right before the episode started, we had sort of as a group said Chelsea dies for Rick was our sort of like fear prediction.
Yeah. When she says whatever happens to you happens to me, I feel like all three of us in that theater were like, oh no.
Yeah, you could see it coming. Terrible.
And also when she fucking said the episode name. Yeah.
Because I'm more fati. Do you know what that means? You have to embrace your fate, good or bad, what will be will be.
I was like, oh no. Yeah, they're pouring it on.
So Rick's at breakfast. Didn't think he'd see

the Hollingers.

They only owned the hotel

and he already

broke into their house.

Scott Glenn.

I remember your mother.

I knew she was a drunk

and a slut.

Didn't think she was

a liar too.

Those are trigger words

for our guy, Rick.

He's talking about

Mixin.

By the way,

I'm your dad.

By the way,

he says your father

was no saint.

You didn't miss out on much and that's the fucking truth. That's a great moment because he's talking about mix in by the way I'm your dad by the way he says your father was no saint you didn't miss out on much and that's the fucking truth

that's a great moment

because he's talking about himself

yes

I did not catch that

when he said it

did you?

I wasn't sure

at the end

if they were gonna

go that way

but when he said that sentence

did you think he was

talking about himself

because I did not

I was genuinely 50-50 on it

also 50-50

I think watching the season

through the

oh they are doing

the Obi-Wan

through it

from a certain point of view

Vader-Anakin thing

it still felt like

it was in play

Thank you. 50-50 on it.
Also 50-50. I think watching the season through the, oh, they are doing the Obi-Wan through it from a certain point of view, Vader-Anakin thing, it still felt like it was in play even there.
Obi-Toppin? It's Star Wars. Oh, Star Wars.
Got it. Very tough.
That's tough. Well, Rick's a dumbass.
I have to say. Rick is quite stupid.
I have to say. He's really dumb.
If they're going to do the Vader, you know who Darth Vader is. I'm just doing this torture with with Sopranos do you know who Darth Vader is I'm aware I saw the first story in the theater and you've heard the line I'm your father right yeah I was in the theater for it is that as good as spoiler he's all being like he's your father he told me that's a little more rushed equally meaningful and memorable does that hit just as hard do you think they will be talking about that in 50 years still for sure he told me on the flight over here well so now that we know what happens it's hard to forget what it was like when I was actually watching it was pretty exciting when they're taking the photo and Rick's sitting on the bench and trying to figure out how we were going to have a conflict here because he didn't have his gun because he got rid of the gun.
And then in my head, this one I did get right, I was like, oh, he could easily just grab the gun from the old man because he showed him. Yeah.
Well, I think that we can tell why Rick is such a dipshit. He inherited that from his very stupid father.
The Rick storyline fell the flattest, I think, for me of everything. I think part of that is we have to be honest that we just brought a lot of expectations to it because Goggins is a shared favorite.
We did, undeniably. Correct.
But just in terms of only looking at it inside the vacuum of the season, I thought Chelsea was exceptional. I really loved spending time with her as a character.
And I thought Rick was interesting. My favorite Rick moment in this finale is when he seeks out Amrita.
Like that moment where he's like, I actually know that I need this and I need someone to help pull me out of this. I'm inclined to say like, my identity, my identity is nothing.
Like nothing comes, nothing comes from nothing. nothing and that he had a moment still even after the happy return

and the embrace with Chelsea

and the hug

okay I'm not gonna like

give up on this yet

that I liked

every

all of the actual stuff

with Rick and Jim Hollinger

was just like

a real letdown though

yeah

I don't know if they thought

like we

if they thought we forgot

about Star Wars

and that that was gonna be

like a big twist for us

at the end of this episode

or something like that

I don't know

but like yeah

that didn't

Thank you. Like we, if they thought we forgot about Star Wars and that that was going to be like a big twist for us at the end of this episode or something like that, I don't know.
But like, yeah, that didn't really land for me. Can we give a special shout out to Jim Hollinger's bodyguards, the worst bodyguards in the history of HBO? They just wandered away.
Just wandering around. Let's leave him alone.
How about you stay here and I'll go look around. They're just leaving him.
These fuckers had the nerve to mock Guy Talk all season,

called him a pussy, called him a turkey.

They went out sad.

Jim Hollinger in his own home got pushed down in a chair while they sat outside for a smoke break.

Right.

And then got gunned down at his own hotel.

Really rough.

And then he got killed.

Rick, pretty good shot.

Sharpshooter. Yeah.
So from what we know from that gunshot scene, Yeah. Rick's shot some people.
I believe it. Yeah.
I believe it. I think there's some When he's like, I didn't kill anyone, the underlying thing was like, when he goes Today.
This time. Yeah.
He's like, how'd it go? Didn't kill anyone this time. I also was uns unsatisfied with the Rick ending but I did really like the end shot of his face in the water and how however they shot that her upside down and him facing up in a gang it was good I thought I don't know that worked for me there was the line like the Chelsea Chelsea had at the beginning of the season where she said to him,

you know, this is just like you

to be like the victim

of your own decisions.

Right.

And was kind of like

one of the many attempts

to coax him forward,

indeed, to coax him forward

and try to teach him

something about himself.

And he was very resistant.

And then that, of course,

is the end point.

I think, again, to your note

about like the cynical

nature of the story, not just this season, but across seasons, it's like, well, that's a fucking bummer, right? That we watch this character and we spend all season one. And that's part of the point.
I do think that's very interesting, actually. But we spend all season wondering, can Rick pull himself out of this? Can he embrace this lesson of breaking the karmic cycle, that you don't have to be subsumed by the grief of your like past and then he can't and it's not only at the expense of his own life it's like the person that he actually does care about but didn't know how to properly love is washed away by that too like at the end of the day of all the people in the show who were the who were the like the person in the tsunami video that locky showed like he didn't even try to.
He just stood there. That's Rick more than anyone else.
At the end, when it all came down to it and that wave came crashing in, he just stood there and let it wash him away. And that is really bleak as a message.
But it seems to me a bit consistent across White Lotus in terms of when we think about Armand Armand in season one. Definitely.
Definitely just like a victim of his own actions. And Tanya, you know, poor Tanya.
Yeah. That operatic, the way in which Mike White thought of Tanya as this sort of doomed operatic figure.
Yeah, not a butterfly. Rick and Chelsea are definitely like these doomed lover figures at the end of the day.
Yeah. We all like to think about White Lotus as entertaining.
Got some feedback from my mom and my wife. Is it about the wine? Is it about the pina colados? My mom says, other than the three girlfriends storyline, really hated White Lotus and especially the finale.
That was her review. My wife said, I meant to tell you that I saw this thing on Instagram today where Amy Liu was wearing a stay gold charm from the poem in The Outsiders and as we know Johnny dies.
Do you know that one? Stay Gold Ponyboy. Yeah, that's been going around.
There was also a shot of her I think it was for the THR photo shoot where they just had Amy Liu like lying on the ground. Everyone's like well she dies and then everyone was like but other people were like no, THR would not do a photo shoot of her looking like a dead body if she was the actually one who dies.
But yeah, she had the Stagel. So many people died.
But it was okay to... Stagel Ponyboy pendant on all season.
We forgot to mention when Rick comes back and she's with Saxon and she runs over and she's so excited to see Rick. Did your heart break a little bit for Saxon? It did, didn't it? Deep down.
Yes. It did.
You felt it a little for Saxon. But tears in his eyes.
Tough moment. I mean, you just met her.
I heard Mal sniffling behind me. I wasn't like, I was actually, I was, more than anything, I was proud of him because he handled it like pretty well.
Yeah. Because I feel like Saxon, episode one, Saxon would have done something really douchey, you know, and like called her a slut or something like, you know what I mean? Like called her something shitty, but he just sort of like took the loss on the chin.
I was proud of him. He just needed to be knocked down a couple pegs.
And jerked off by his brother. Belinda and Greg Gary.
He'd be pegged? Is that what he said? Zion wanted to negotiate. Zion wanted to negotiate was probably the highlight of this episode.
What's going to happen to the University of Hawaii?

Business, baby.

University of Hawaii MBA applications

going way up after this.

Yeah, he had a nice day.

We were so proud

when they were like,

she was like,

this isn't enough.

We'll get asked for more.

And all of us were like,

that's what we were saying.

Yes.

And we were saying,

you were saying a million.

Minimum.

And they went five mil.

He went five.

She played personally

with the storming out. Yeah.
I love the argument of like, it's like a percent of what you've inherited. That has to be worth it for peace of mind.
Very well argued. We're team Gary.
This is just one percent. This is great.
But honestly, what guarantees does Gregory have that they won't come back? None. Are they safe? Who can say? I mean, they get the I mean, they get the riding off into the, you know, into the sunrise, like, final shot there.
So I guess it's a happy ending for them. But again, at the expense of their soul and principles.
I mean, not Zion's soul and principles, but Belinda's certainly. Yeah.
Belinda becoming Tanya, right? It's not just, right? Like, I, Belinda, was left to, like, hold my dream broken in my hands because Tanya promised me this thing that then she took away, which is what she just did to porn chai. I want to push back on that a little bit.
It's because one good thing happened. No, no, no.
Tanya meets Greg. Belinda gets the money, and it's like, peace out.
I want to push back a little bit. Belinda was never like, let's open a spa together.
It's my idea. Let's do it.
He floated and she's like, maybe she was quite

distracted. She was working and she was just sort of like, huh, that's interesting.
She wasn't like,

let's do it. I'll bankroll it.
It's a different. He never printed up a business plan like she did.

Like I definitely agree with you that it was not to that extent, but still the like something has

happened in my life. The way she keeps saying like change in circumstance.
Well, that's what

happened to Tanya too, right? She met Greg, she got distracted. Something was bringing her pleasure.

And so she didn't care anymore about this other person. But I think she does care.
She's so much more conflicted than Tanya was. Tanya just, like, threw Belinda away.
And Belinda on the boat is like, I've given up this beautiful man for this thing. But why not invite him with her then? I know.
I don't know. Or, like, have a single conversation with him about it.
She does say, like, she does say like well maybe you know maybe in the future but here's what i'll say about belinda belinda's like i want to leave yes and not be smart and i would say great gary take notes yes it's like i want to be hard to find and great gary's like i barely changed my name i'm at another one exactly so belinda's like let's get lost in a few months, I will send a message to Pornshy to come join us. I like that.
Maybe they will be the connective tissue in season four. Maybe they will be running a spa wherever the next season is set.
That would be nice. No, don't be anywhere near a white lotus.
Stay safe. 14,000 a night for Greg Gary's place.
Right. It ranges.
That was week yeah looked a little further into the listing it did look like there were some nights of the year where I was in the 5,000 range per night you get a few friends you split it possibly okay great sounds great let's go I floated that we should have recorded this podcast from there and you were like no it would have would take him like 27 hours to get there. I liked, can I just be rich for five fucking minutes? It's funny.
Anyway, Belinda, now she's rich. Belinda said earlier this season, she can like, can one fucking thing go my way? So you know what? Yeah.
I'm sad for her that she morally compromised herself. Same.
But I'm glad for her that she got her bag. Also same.
So that dissonance is kind of the point of the show, which I enjoy. I really do.
We end with the families on the

Ratliff families on the boat. Yeah.

Vicky gets the phones.

Doesn't seem like they have any idea there was a shootout

and apparently Lockett didn't have to go to the

hospital and let's

go back and hey, there's going to be some stuff

that happens. Drops of water bouncing in the ocean.

The Ratliffs are done. The three

fancies are a little shaken on the boat. Bill,

would you like to share with the audience what you shouted at Tim Ratliff when he was looking at the ocean on the side of the boat? Yeah. I thought it was our last chance to have him kill himself.
Were you proud of him at all? No. That after all of that, he was like, fam, things are about to change.
I thought he was a terrible character. Just a heads up.
We saw Greg Gary having a cocktail with a horny look on his face as Chloe yet another transactional person in season three scouting a new guy we saw the Russians parting we saw Frank praying we saw Guy Tuck hugging Mook yep and then driving Sitala and then Belinda waving as the new Tanya and that was season three MVP of season three Joanna who do you have? Oh, man. Parker Posey.
Patrick Schwarzenegger. Genuinely.
I thought he was the breakout star of the season. Can I do like a top three? Yeah.
Do gold, silver, bronze. Parker Posey, but then in terms of like stock on the rise, Parker Posey's cementing what we always knew that she was great at, right? For a new generation is discovering Parker Posey and all they and all the things that she can do.
Yeah. Yeah? Yeah.
Patrick Schwarzenegger and Amy Lou Wood as like breakout stars. No question.
Yeah, definitely. What about you? You have another candidate? Chelsea won.
Oh, wait, it's Sam Rockwell, obviously. Oh, does he count? Yeah.
I mean, it's got his Oscar. I don't know.
Like he didn't, you know what I mean? I think it's almost for Amy Lou, Schwarzenegegger Carrie Coon Parker Posey and then Rockwell as the wild card I thought those I thought those were the five that came out the best I wish we had more time with Zion because Sam he's really good this character's terrible to I'm really interested in this guy maybe he's the one maybe he's season four I would love that for him alright rank the seasons oh the seasons. Oh, easy for me.
I think a lot of people, okay, I will just say for me, it goes number one is the best, number two is number two, and number three is number three. Yeah.
I think a lot of people like number two better, but I think number one, just because it came out of nowhere and just really blew me away, is always going to be my favorite. Two is my favorite.
I go two, one, three. Two, one, three.
That's my order as well. I think that's like, yeah, more yeah more broadly but here's the thing because people are probably critical and there's we're used to the show now we're used to the theme there's dead body so you this we're in the nitpick backlash this is this is it this is the area true i still love hanging out with the show oh i have a lot of every week yeah i thought there was some stuff i was surprised they did but i enjoyed every episode i was riv was riveted tonight, and I'm sad it's gone.
If you could pick one character to carry over into season four, who are you picking? Saxon. Saxon.
Okay. Saxon goes skiing? I want cold lotus.
That was my next question. Where are we going? It's time to do a cold weather season.
Okay. It is.
I really hope it's a ski lodge. A newly enlightened Saxon is still going to the White Lotus.
Yes, and at ski lodges, as I understand, having never been to one, they have a lot of fireplaces, and he can sit there by the fireplace and read his books as he continues on his journey of enlightenment. Well, so we went to Hawaii, Thailand, Italy.
Sicily, yeah. That makes me think it's like Australia somewhere that way

for season four.

I think they're looking for

they're looking for

Cold Lotus,

are they not?

Or have you

heard something, Will?

I have not heard anything about Cold Lotus.

No, I haven't heard anything.

I don't think they know.

I thought I read that they like pitched,

they were thinking of doing Norway

and then decided not to,

but that they're maybe

on the lookout for Cold Lotus.

Fjords.

Yeah, Fjords, baby.

Interesting.

Love it. Sweden? Those crazy Swedes? Spotify? they're maybe on the lookout for cold lotus fjords yeah fjords baby interesting love it

sweden those crazy swedes now can we just make a pledge and a pact right here that if it is in fact set in sweden we will actually do something on location because that is also the home of our parent company it sounds great maybe it's something maybe was that a yes was that a yes no do the Rick answer

that's the plan

that's the plan

sounds good It sounds great. Maybe it's something.
Was that a yes? Was that a yes? No, do the Rick answer. That's the plan.
That's the plan. Sounds good.
I want to make a drink. We'll see.
Maybe the stock market plays into season four. The collapse of a world economy.
Yeah. Yeah.
Maybe it's just. Isn't this a perfect time to talk about White Lotus? In Oklahoma City.
Yeah. Grim.
Tough. My final grade is A-.
It was incredibly fun every week to watch. A-.
A-. Like B-plus at the bottom, but like I think probably A-.
I don't think the show can have a basement that's lower than an A-. It's just too well done and it's too well done.
The cast is incredible. And it's just,

it's always fun

when we're all

watching this show

together, you know?

In the broader culture

for the memes,

for everything else.

I mean, the Duke guy,

Duke guy yesterday,

the Duke t-shirt meme

when Duke fell apart.

The fact that...

That just flooded the internet.

Even Joanna probably knew about it.

I did.

I did see it.

I did see it.

It's Final Four yesterday, right?

Thanks.

Thank you.

So, my biggest nitpicks about the season overall, how they put it together. Yeah.
I just didn't think that Tim Ratliff, I thought it was like seven scenes too many and too grim. And I felt like they could have bounced around with it a little more versus like just put them in a catatonic funk for.
I think it's a six episode season. Yeah.
I'm going to, I agree. I'm going to walk back my mid season mid-season like oh because I do think the middle of the season was just incredible and episodes five and six in particular which was like you know the day night split which we got twice I'm like I looked into your eyes and I said give us a 14 episode white lotus season and you said we're different and I think that like the this is where I'm a glutton I want more it was so fun to get the day night split but like this is where the distinction between a two month real world experience of consuming something and the premise of one week of these characters lives are actually not compatible at a certain point if it's stretched over too many episodes it's like how much can happen to you in just a few days so I'm back into like six or seven episodes is the sweet spot welcome and what a six or seven episodes.
It's like, how much can happen to you in just a few days? So I'm back into like six or seven episodes is the sweet spot.

You're welcome.

And what a six or seven episodes it will be with Saxon Ratliff.

On the Alps.

In the Alps.

Okay.

Yeah, wait.

So that's your dream scenario.

I like actually am not prepared to cope with a life where I don't know what happened to

him.

Like seriously.

He's imprinted on Saxon. Is Saxon your answer too? You want Saxon in season four? Well, we can't get Chelsea.
We sure can't. Thanks for the reminder.
Sure can't. That was fucking sad.
Deeply sad. And like a real tough, I don't know.
I'm glad that I have one more podcast episode to think about and record. Think about which part? The Chelsea of it all and just sort of that kind of story what that means for a character like Chelsea and you know.
You know what? Sometimes you have bad taste in men. That's it.
I mean, should that doom you? Here's where I will. I was wrong to be rooting for Rick and Chelsea this whole time.
I was really rooting for them, and you were like, Chelsea can do better. Chelsea should have dumped Rick.
But they dropped a lot of breadcrumbs that Rick was a fucking loser, and he was headed toward the wrong place. I had Goggins goggles on.
I mean, if only. Talk about a drop ball that we didn't come to the finale with Goggins goggles on.
Yeah, the number of times that Chelsea talked about her bad feeling and how worried she was and these things come in threes. Yeah.
All right. That's it for our little White Lotus season three.
I'll miss it. Same.
It was a blast. This is my last night in LA.
So we know that Mike White has some big interview talking about we got some intel. He's going, what was your intel? That there's an interview coming.
We won't say who, but we'll have a lot of insight. Yeah.
Okay. Fair.
More to come. And then you will have a deep dive episode with Rob on Prestige TV.
Correct. Coming up.
And when do we move into Last of Us range, which will be happening on House of War, not on Prestige. Premieres next Sunday night, one week from tonight.
So you're going to have- One of our deep dives Monday? Yeah, House of War deep dives on Mondays. The Midnight Boys will have their instant reaction on Mondays.
Button Mash is going to be doing a Gamers Guide episode in the middle of the week. Joe and Rob are going to be checking in on Prestige.
I assume Chris and Andy will be partaking on the watch. It's a full core press.
Everyone but me. It's not too late for you, Bill.
I don't remember which episode I just stopped watching, but it just got too bleak for me. I watched like five.
I don't really like the apocalypse. Episode five was great.
Is that your hottest take of the night? I don't like the apocalypse. Well, we're going to find out this week when we have the financial apocalypse of the United States of America.
You're in a real Tim Ratliff space right now. One of my rules in life is when Jeff Chow is scared, I get scared.
Yeah, fair. Yeah.
Anyway, good luck to America. Wow.
Thanks to the crew. Thank you.
Best team there is. They showed up on a Sunday night to help us out and

I had a good time watching it. Legends.
Justin Sales,

John Richter, Kyle Grady. It was a true pleasure to do this with the two of you

for eight weeks.

January blast. January blast.
Alright. Maybe there will be another

show down the road for us. Maybe.

Alright. Thanks for watching.