‘The White Lotus’ Season 3, Episode 6: About Last Night

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Will someone turn to the other and say, you're soulless. Sad.
Could happen. Will you show up with Saxon's hangover hair? It's entirely possible.
As you know, I'm considering buying one of Lockie's shirts. I told you both that I've been served Lockie's outfits on Instagram, which I am deeply disturbed by.
You don't want to embrace your inner Lockie? No. Okay.
A little sleight of hand, Mallory? No? Okay. We're going to dive into all this and Buddhism.
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Tough to follow episode five, which was a banger. And yet.
Episode six did its own banging.

Boy did it.

Boy did it.

I liked this one

even better.

Yeah.

I thought this one

was phenomenal.

They're on a heater, man.

Yeah.

Every episode is better

than the last.

We were concerned,

intrigued,

worried.

Intrigued?

Where were they

going to go

with the brother storyline?

Tantalized.

Scared. Yeah.
And? So you said you didn't want this when we asked last week do you want to go beyond kissing you were like no thank you I still definitely don't want it man did they go for it holy mackerel so the answer of I wonder how far they're going to go with the brothers well they went really far and now the only thing left for Mike to for Mike White to do on White Lotus, I think, is necrophilia. Oh, well, give it time.
We're doing Cold White Lotus next season. You guys remember the simpler times when Saxon opened the season wondering where and how he'd jerk off while sharing a hotel room with his brother? Turns out it's not going to be a problem, Saxon.
Your brother's going to jerk you off. Let me lend you a hand.

In the cabin of a boat.

I loved when they swapped swim trunks.

And it's like, what won't they share?

Jesus.

Well, when we see the flashback initially, it looks like he's jerking off.

Yeah, some great camera angle work there.

As Lockie's having sex with Chloe.

Yep.

And I'm like, all right, that's pretty disturbing.

And then 10 minutes later, nope. Nope, he's getting some help.
Lines were crossed. I don't know.
We are recording this before we know what America's reaction will be to this. And I'm curious, what do you think America's reaction will be? I think saying lines are crossed is a safe play.
I think you're going to be okay, are people going to say this is a line too far for their Sunday Night HBO? I feel like people are going to—some people are going to say that, but for the most part, I feel like people are going to be like, we love how depraved this is. Yeah.
Well, I'm trying to—and I haven't watched all the HBO shows, but HBO has been in my life my whole life. Yeah.
Even when we had the little box in my dad's apartment in Brooklyn, Massachusetts, where you turned it on and off. I'm trying to think of the craziest, most depraved things I've seen.
And the bar for me was always Adebisi raping the mafia's son in Oz and putting his headphones on during it because he wanted some entertainment. And I remember thinking they're never going to top this.
They have topped it over and over again on HBO since. And this is now, I think, up there.
I mean, Girls had one. Girls had the cum shot episode.
Oh, yeah. Which I remember thinking like, oh, my God.
I think that's the final line. But this might be.
I feel like a nation raised on Game of Thrones is ready for a lot. You know what I mean? Right.
Game of Thrones, but Game of Thrones could always hide behind this is a weird, crazy fantasy world. Even in a fantasy world, when Daemon Targaryen has a Harrenhal fever dream that he's performing oral sex on his own mother, it's notable.
It's notable. It's a good point.
And that is what we are accustomed to seeing on our Sunday night TV.

So this was like a yawn old hat for you.

You were just like, no, no big deal.

Little brother and brother.

I did feel like proud of this group of Game of Thrones viewers for clocking from minute

one that we were headed to incest town here.

I mean, we weren't alone.

No, we were not alone, but we were rewarded. Well, in retrospect, having Lockie check out his brother's ass at the end of episode one might have been a red flag.
That was Saxon gets to check out his ass in this episode. The mirroring and the inversions, like right down to flipping which side they're on in the bed and Saxon looking over at Lockie's ass this time.
Like, it's great. The number of things that were there from the first couple episodes with the fancy cougars, how we've been trained all season long to expect that they're able to hear and see things from each other's bedrooms across that villa.
So when Kate sees Valentin leaving, we're not like, oh, how convenient. We're like, yeah, we've been readying for something like that from the word go.
What I loved is that when they were gossiping about her at the pool and Jacqueline's like, I'm ready here. I can hear you.
You know, like, that was great. So you, we dove into this a little on episode five that you were interested in the Lockie part of this.
Yeah. That this is like some weird power over his brother who's like a bully to him and just ridicules him.
What's interesting is Sam Navola gave an interview where he was like, that's not what's going on. His interpretation is that Lockie just really wanted attention to impress his brother.
And all he had like rattling around his drug addled brain was, my brother said we have to get laid. My brother says we have to get laid.
My brother says we have to get laid. So we'll get laid.
You know, so I don't like there are shots in this episode, you know, where he's almost like smirking in a way that i was wondering if that's what was going on but according to the actor and i you know i guess i guess he knows a little bit more than i do about his own character um that is something else that is like attention seeking and trying to impress and i think it's interesting that he goes off with Piper in this episode. True.

He's just a really good sibling.

He's a very supportive boy. Ready to lend a hand.
See, this is why I don't like those interviews during the season. Oh, man.
But you talk directly to the people. I try not to.
After I found out about the Rockwell surprise, I was like, I don't want any more info. But I will say I do avoid those interviews because I don't want anything to prejudice how I'm feeling when I'm watching.
Yeah. You know what I mean? I interpreted it because if you're doing these shows correctly, it's almost like reading a book or you're sitting in college and the English majors are all giving their theories on what they saw.
Stupid English majors. Yeah, that's stupid.
But I think Mike White, I do think he cares about that. Like, I'm throwing this out there.
I'm really interested to see how people take this and run with it once it's in the world. I would say that in White Lotus of all shows, we still have the cover of like, whether it's the performer or the analyst or the characters themselves, so much of the core proposition is trying to interrogate your own behavior or being afraid to interrogate your own behavior.
And so there's room for interpretation no matter what. I think that's true.
Yeah. I had that as one of the big takeaways for this episode.
You know, we start with the big takeaways that my half-assed format along with everyone on the show is now lying or pretending or doing some different version of what they actually are, who they are. Even Belinda.
The son, here's Zion. It's like, hey, baby, can you give me a second? You called this.
You're like, how early? Okay, so she told him to come right to the hotel room. How early is too early? I have a note for the White Lotus Hotel chain.
I know she told her son to come right there. However, I still think if you're bringing someone to the room, you call ahead and or you knock.
You don't just open the door. One knock would be great.
One knock. They have a remarkably healthy relationship.
Full of Scarface advice. Incredible stuff.
I'm just trying. Did you take some parenting notes? Well, I was just thinking my wife and my son in the same scenario if I was dead and my wife was getting it on with some guy she met at the White Lotus.

Dare to dream.

Not about you being dead part.

My son would have been,

I think,

130 times more horrified.

Oh, yeah.

Zion took it.

Zion took it great.

They have just like a very...

I mean,

but he's like...

Perhaps.

I mean,

he showed up from global travel

wearing Travis Scott

one high mochas. Like, Zion is elite.
I have no notes on Zion. I really love that headphone placement.
Great stuff. Great stuff.
Your worst fear as a kid, other than divorce, is— For some of us, it's just reality from day one. You can't fear the only thing you've ever known.
Your worst fear as a kid is walking in on your parents or parent and step-parent having sex would be number one on the list.

And then your worst fear as a parent is your kids walking in on you having sex.

Is that your worst fear or is it your worst fear that they're going to go take drugs at a full moon festival?

Well, maybe that too.

Yeah.

They end up in an episode of Euphoria and get a little too close.

But he took that while.

Anyway, everyone's lying or pretending now. There's a takeaway.
Yep. There's real danger in the air now.
There's danger in death now. Now looming.
There's people starting to seem evil or seem like so we'll get in all that. The show's made Buddhism seem really cool.
I'm really starting to think about it. Are we missing out? That was my favorite scene of the series.
Are we missing out on Buddhism? Tim and the monk. I thought that was such a good scene.
That was the best scene of the episode. We've been praising the Jason Isaacs performance all season.
I thought he hit yet another gear in the understated longing and anguish across the scenes in this episode. It's just tremendous.
So are you now, because you're intrigued by Buddhism, are you continuing to amend your initial stance on visiting China? Thank you, Vicky. Visiting Taiwan? On visiting the White Lotus in Phuket? What do you think? Should we take a trip? I have thought more about Buddhism and maybe getting a guru.
Okay, great. There's is.
Listen, the drops of water. You leave the ocean, you're a drop, and then you fall back down and you're meant to end up in the ocean again.
I was like, you know what? This is great. What was that guy's name? Beautiful.
The monk? Yeah. He doesn't have a name, right? I bet Mallory wrote it down.
Luang Portira. Yeah.
All right. So we'll get into that.
And then last big takeaway, Carrie Coon activated. Don't marry.
We plugged her in these last two episodes. She is now fully an electric guitar and not just an acoustic guitar.
Lawyer Lori has entered the astonishing stuff from the Cougs. She's blowing away the other Cougars now in every scene.
They're all great, though. played it coy for like, it was like a football team just handing off and be like, we're not going to throw deep.
And then now she's bombing away. They had the plays drawn up.
They had the plays drawn up. She's like, third quarter, I'm bombing away.
Anything else? Big takeaways before we get to the episode? Oh man. I'm just really glad that Chelsea stayed safe and away from Saxon.
We didn't think. And ultimately, Rick and what we saw in Rick's face last episode with Frank probably will never be matched in the history of television.
However, Chelsea listening to Chloe tell Saxon that Lockheed had jerked him off pretty close on the facial expression front.

Astonishing stop for Chelsea.

And the fact that

that comes on the heels

of her being like,

oh, you're soulless.

Yeah, that was a great scene.

My guy Saxon

is really going through it.

I guess I'm a big takeaways front.

This is another day

that did not go into the night.

Yeah, yeah.

Because we've got

the Mu Jai effect.

Yeah, so like the structure

of what we would expect

inside of an episode of White Lotus continues to kind of be shattered and now I'm like, wait, give us nine? Give us 10? Like I'm not ready to only- How many days have we had? Is this like day four? I think this is day four. One, two, three, and then four and five.
This is day five, right? Yes. And we still, so tonight, which I guess will be episode seven, we've got the Mu the sleepover at the monastery the party at Greg Gary's Party at my house.
Please come it'll be lovely. I'm a super creepy mysterious unfriendly guy I'm having some people over any interest? Fabian singing I know.
The Mook the Mook Guy Talk date obviously Rick meeting Hollinger like all of that is going to be contained to one evening so is episode 7 also just part of the same day? Does the shootout happen before the end of the week in the finale? Who knows? Or is it a five-day week? I get to perhaps because of the travel. The length of the travel.
The time at the resort is shorter. Very interesting.
So it puts the gunfire from episode one on a Saturday then. If we're headed toward Friday, the fights.
That's episode seven. And then the last episode will be that Saturday.
It's a five-day. Zion just got here.
I mean it's a lot of travel for just a couple days. But Belinda is staying longer than the week.
So that's good. We start the episode with Tim in a Duke sweatshirt.
T-shirt. How do you feel about a fake out dream sequence it worked i thought it was real did you think it was real uh i actually thought it was real i did not think it was real mostly because i had convinced myself that we were getting the meaningful tim scene at the monastery that was going to come and i just felt like being cheated of that would have been...
Was this like a trailer studying thing by you? No. No, but I will say, and I didn't study these trailers, but I do know that people...
The Piper Scream was in the trailer. The trailer.
I think people got a little faked out by some of this stuff in the trailer. Yeah.
Blue-tinged dream sequences in the trailer. Yeah.
I don't mind dream sequences like this where one off the rails was The Sopranos when they would do entire episodes. Entire episodes.
Joe doesn't know what I'm talking about. They would do entire dream sequence episodes.
One day. And it was like, come on, guys.
It feels like we're not getting anywhere with this. I didn't mind it because we got then the second one later.
Yeah. When Tim envisioned and daydreamed about not only killing himself but about killing Vicky and apologizing.
And I thought in general, Tim confronting, like he's been spending so much of the season thinking about his own fall. Like, I won't be able to go back to work.
I won't be able to be the person I was. I'd rather die than go to jail.
And to have to think about what it would be like for his family to find him, for his family to confront his death in that way,

I thought was important for the character.

This is why we've been getting emails all season

about the idea of like a family annihilator,

which is a technical term of like, you know,

a well-heeled businessman who loses everything

and then not only kills himself,

but kills his entire family

because like he can't face the shame,

but also does not want his family exposed to it either. And that's like a known thing.
And so people have been wondering, that feels too dark. And especially since we saw Tim have this hopefully moment of enlightenment at the monastery, this is not where Tim is headed.
But I think that that's why people were worried that that might be an instinct for him. Right.
Especially, yeah, when we hear Victoria be like... Family Annihilator? Family Annihilator.
Sounds like the worst Netflix series ever. Season four of Family Annihilator.
We're going to Kansas City. I don't know.
I think the algorithm would love that one, honestly. I'm sure it exists on like TLC or something.
I will say, I thought about this during episode five and I didn't want to voice it because I think we all like Jason Isaacs. But it's like, I think they've shaded it a little too much toward this guy.
His life's falling apart. It's kind of like we get it.
It's starting to feel a little one note to me, which is why I thought this scene with the monk was so important. Because it was like, okay, now it's not just him being like, uh.
Yeah. What I love.
He was doing it for three episodes.

I kind of agree with you.

But on the other hand, I do think that it's important for us to think about where we meet him in episode one.

Yeah.

Like that guy who walks into the villa, big swinging dick, and is just sort of like, I did this.

And like, you know, in every way, right?

Big swinging prosthetic dick.

Yeah.

I did this. And then to get him to the monastery, I do think we need way, right? Between prosthetic.
Yeah. I did this.

And then to get him to the monastery, I do think we need to sort of really be with him. So we're not like, well, that was a quick, you know, complete turnaround on this character.
That is the thing about the structure of these seasons. It's going to be two months for us, but it's a week for the characters.
Like, it's just a week. A couple days of his life falling apart.
I continue to think that the Ratlifts have been the most compelling and the family set that's giving us the most notes. Other than Vicky, though, that's obviously deliberate that she is, like, always operating in this one little frequency wave of parody.
I was feeling that with Guy Talk this episode.

Like,

no variance.

Though I think that we are moving

toward an

impactful conclusion

for him.

The tension for me,

like,

to go back to

Tim for a second,

I am going to cite

an interview,

but it's not

hopefully too

ruinous for you.

You can cite all the interviews

you want.

That, like,

Jason Isaacs was talking

about the challenge

of playing this character

I'm sorry. I am going to cite an interview, but it's not hopefully too.
You're going to cite all the interviews you want. That like Jason Isis was talking about the challenge of playing this character who is never talking about how he's feeling.
Yeah. You know, so it's all an internal performance.
And I can I hear what you're saying about it being repetitive, but it's just sort of like I think for people, especially people who might be second screening White Lotus, like you really need to drive something like that where there's no conversation around what's going on it's all internal to him to Guy Talk on the one hand I agree on the other hand I was very tense and very worried that he was going to get caught and accused of stealing lorazepam or something like that from the villa still possible if Vicky's like who took my pills and they see him going into the villa on that CCTV footage. It's still possible.
Yeah. Be working at the snake shop.
But we need him ultimately to remain free of Vicky's accusations so that he can fire his gun after a monkey scares someone. We still need all that to happen.
Yeah. Perhaps because of poison fruit.
Yeah. It's also in place.
And toilet snakes. And Vicky thinks Tim's upset about Piper and potentially staying there for the year and just is the all-time wife that cannot read any signals whatsoever.
No, Vicky. Do you think she found out that she's not, she seems fine without her lorazepam.
She seems the same. Well, now she's just boozing.
Yeah, she's boozing. And I guess she's a little bit more alert at the monastery in that she's like running a gambit on her daughter.
Yeah, she's like, let me call your bluff. Yeah, go ahead and spend a night here.
Let's see how that goes for you. I saw how they lived.
It's grim. We'll take a break and then we'll talk about the cougars.
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Valentine leaves in the morning. Yeah.
Seemed like he had a great night. Sure did.
All smiles. Right at work.
Seems like he'd be a great, great addition to the ringer staff. Guys going all night, sleeps, would shower, sleeps for a half hour back at work.
That's the Miley Rubin. He can multitask, you know? It's just unbelievable.
He's a party planner. Yeah, yeah.
He's a great butler. He's a great host.
Great job by him. Will introduce you to wonderful people.
Exactly. Anyway, stuck up Kate season.
Kate, I love this detail. It's really early, but Kate's on the phone because of the time difference.
Yeah, she's talking to her kids on the phone or something like that. Dave, give me the latest on Trump.
What's he up to? Dave, are you soaking the beans for when I return? Well, she wasn't hungover either because she probably had like a drink and a half. It's just, you know, she put those pajamas on and she was just trying really hard to get everyone out of there so she could go to bed and then wake up early to blow up the friend group.
But because this is what makes the Cougars so great, they're best friends. They've been best friends friends forever she can't wait to tell laurie breakfast okay it literally can't even wait until the food's there to give her that one i love this because they're they've all been gossiping about each other but like kate has always been the one who's relished it the most she gets this cat with the canary sort of smile on her face every time so she's so excited to tell la this.
And then she's like, oh no, I just kicked something off and tries to put the cat back in the bag, but it is not, it's impossible. It is funny, I am laughing.
So you're buying that she didn't realize that Carrie Coon was going to get that upset? I didn't think she thought she would get that upset. See, I disagree.
I think these three women hate each other and she couldn't wait to stick it to her with that one. Because they're out the whole night and she's watching Carrie Coon the whole night going.
No, no, I don't think she's like... Oh, I wonder if she's going to have a threesome with these two Russian guys and then all of a sudden...
I don't think it didn't cross her mind that Carrie Coon might be upset. I think she thought Laurie would keep it to herself and not...
It's like the fallout that she doesn't want. She doesn't want, and then when she gets implicated in it, when Laurie's like, well, Kate's the one who told me.
Kate's so upset. But she's known Laurie since what, eighth grade? She knows like if, once you activate her, I would assume she has enough history with that character to be like, oh, she's gonna, she's just gonna start doing this.
Certainly given that one of the notes that Laurie is hitting repeatedly throughout the episode is like nobody ever changes, right? We are always like kind of stuck as these earlier versions of ourselves when one of us was your hands and one of us was your feet, right? So I think that this, obviously it's like a heightened circumstance, but every single thing from all three of them that happened in this episode felt so true to friendship to me. Like Kate is stirring the pot and then can't believe when it spills over.
Like what happens when you soak the flame, right? She's not prepared. We all know people who do this in real life.
Exactly. Like I don don't think it's necessarily like I might be that person in my family.
You're a little bit of a shit star. I kind of start that with my daughter.
Sometimes I just can't help myself. So I do think that she is leaning into the drama but also thinks she probably was not counting on this level of her response and that's her miscalculation.
Laurie is like genuinely, despite saying repeatedly that she doesn't care. I'm fine.
Of course. I'm fine.
I'm fine. Yeah.
It's fine. Of course it's an ego blow.
Like we saw them at the end of the fifth episode. She's whispering into his ear.
She's so upset when Valentin comes over to the table and she's just sort of like. The energy healing, like it's better with your eyes closed.
We saw that they were gravitating toward each other and of course she resents the Jacqueline part of it. But from the Valentin part of it, there is a blow.
And then Laurie does a thing that I thought was like, I mean, I'm still team Laurie and I always will be. But again, so true to life where like you're on her side and you know she's in the right and Jacqueline's in the wrong.
But then she starts to be so mean. She starts to be so mean.
And like that's what people do when they're hurt. Yeah.
We'll talk about Jacqueline in full. But the larger note around this.
Jacqueline is acting. Jacqueline is, boy, is this Jacqueline acting.
This is now, we talked a lot last episode about desire and identity and how they entwine. I'm sure that'll come up many times again today.
This is now a three season long central preoccupation for Mike White. This idea of, as Ethan called it in the Ethan Cameron plotline mimetic desire with Olivia and Paula in season one Paula was like you're always going for the guy I want like and then we saw it was true it wasn't hearsay it wasn't bullshit like Olivia tried to scoop Kai and then when I love that you remember the character names well I'll always remember Kai's name because we have a Kai I like, it's Sydney Sweeney and that friend that stayed with them and then that hotel guy.
Oh, those bossbockers. But like it was made such active text with Ethan and Cameron.
That was one of my favorite parts of season two. When Ethan's like, of course you want to fuck my wife.
You've always wanted everything that I have because I have higher status than you. And Cameron was like, you didn't have higher status than me in college.
Like you were like the original incel. And then Ethan's like, I have more money than you now.
And Cameron is like stunned into silence. Yeah.
So this is yet again another, like it's not just what do you desire on a core level? It's what do you covet that someone else has? What do you desire taking away from them and why? And like the answer is because that's human nature. But it's even more heightened when these people have so much already.
I just find that fascinating that that recurs. Well, we skipped over the part when Carrie Coon gets mad and says, she's not changed at all.
So psycho. Demented.
She calls it demented. And then she says, we talked about this last episode.
It's sad. She's an aging actress.
You saw her. She lives off male attention.
It's one thing when you're 25, but now she's 45. It's pathetic.
It's tough. Words hurt.
It's tough. Damn.
It's tough. Damn.
And I would be so ready to be on Jacqueline's side, except Jacqueline is being an asshole. Yeah.
Yeah. Yep.
Well. Gaslight gatekeep.
Then we cut to Jacqueline. She finally gets to hear from her younger husband.
Harrison, he's so horny for her. My phone wasn't working on the set.
There's like a thousand fucking plugs on the set. There couldn't be, there's chargers everywhere.
They're ripping chargers at you. I definitely wasn't fucking somebody else and not answering your calls for two days.
So horny for you. Can I, one last shout out to Valentin's acting when he comes over and Laura's being pissy.
I think he's been great. And he's kind of like, Oh yeah, the tension.
Yeah. You know how to reach me.
Like he's just trying to be pleasant. But the vibes are off.
Yeah. I need to go find Vlad.
He's always a good time. Kate being like, he's been through so much.
Right. That's great.
And then we get Saxon waking up hungover next to his bro. We get the flashback of Chelsea turning him down.
Yeah. You must have been so happy.
I was thrilled. You were so proud of her.
I was thrilled. Have you ever been prouder of a character on White Lotus than Chelsea being like, I'm good.
The bar's in hell, but no, I'm not. Saxon makes out with Chloe.
Yeah. Yeah.
Then Lockie's just fucking Chloe. Yeah, going to town.
And there's Saxon lying next to him jerking off. Seems fine.
Seems fine? Seems okay. Still not too scared yet.
Seems not great, but okay. It's not great, but nothing crazy is happening.
Wait, what? Let's interrogate that a little bit. But we knew we were headed at least to this spot.
So spot so if it had in fact just been Saxon jerking off two inches away from his brother still insanely weird if you're honestly fucking Chloe you'd be like this is fine it's not fine here's the crossing the line more than anything for me it's the eye contact the look eye contact and touching is when it really goes sideways.

The way they filmed the flashbacks was so great.

But then he goes to get the coffee, and he's got the great hair.

And he's kind of like, what happened last night?

Incredible.

Impeccable.

Impeccable.

He's doing that ginger sort of waddling thing. Yeah, I might shit myself at any point.

That was amazing.

And the blocky trunks are so tight on him.

He can barely move.

But then he has the flashback.

He wasn't jerking off. His brother

was jerking him off. And right on cue,

Lockheed's just walking up.

Hey, what's happening? Good morning.

You blacked out. We both did.

Yeah, we both did. I don't remember what happened.

Nothing happened.

And then we get evocative. Thank you, Mike White.
Oh, my God. Foamy white waves and a dead pufferfish.
That was, of all of the cuts to sort of natural element, that was really. The foamy white waves and the dead pufferfish.
So before we know what happens later, did you think Lackey remembered the whole time or that he literally didn't remember? I believed him when he said he didn't. He was like, I don't remember what happened because Saxon was so palpably disturbed.
And Lockie was just sort of like, I'm like really hungover. If I wasn't sure.
And if he did remember and was sort of like, I don't remember what happened last night at all. I was prepared to be like, this is the scariest person who's ever been in a White Lotus.
But when it all comes flooding back to him later, I was like, okay. Then he genuinely...
Yeah, so we find out that he genuinely didn't. He's like, see you later, dude.
And I'd be like, wait, what? And then Saxon throws up, and I'd like to present a pet peeve to both of you. There's a lot of throw-up scenes in Prestige TV.
Sure. Okay.
I'm never satisfied with the amount of throwing up. Okay.
I really feel like if we're going to, if we're going to do this guys, let's have some throw up. Okay.
Do you want them to, I just feel like he's doing a full boot. Like it's like, it's like disgusting CGI with this or something.
CGI or let's, I actually think it's, but don't you like, if he's just spitting up like a little baby. Yeah.
I, when you last went to the full moon party and woke up the next morning and flashes of your prior night returned to you.

How many heaves were there?

I think it's worse when you're throwing up and there's nothing there.

Sure.

That's like, that's rock bottom.

That's a toe curl.

Just you're throwing up Cheetos from four in the morning from the minibar and all kinds of gross shit. It is disgusting.
I think when you reach the bottom and it's just bile, that's the worst. Well, so we had that.
Welcome back to Prestige Chimipod. It's always great to be here with you guys.
We get Belinda and Zion. Great stuff.
They go to breakfast. First you get the money, then you get the power, then you get the woman.
Little Scarface quote. And then Fabian tells him he's going to sing.
What do we think of this? Fabian practicing his singing on his little golf cart as he's driving around the property. What I love is he walks up, he's like, you feeling better? She's like, no.
Yeah, I still think I'm going to be murdered. I love that.
Fucker. I love Fabian because he is the exact kind of character I want to root for.
And then there's just this like nasty side to him that we saw last week. Where I'm like, I can't root for his little singing performance.
Do you like your job and your exchange program? Don't call the police on our guests. I don't like him.
You'll probably be okay. You'll probably be fine.
I feel like you'll be fine. I didn't sense any sinister motives.
Do you guys think that Zion has time with two episodes remaining to get laid?

Because he was really lamenting that he wasn't getting any action.

And who's he getting laid by?

They're all heading to a party.

I mean, if I were Belinda, I would not go.

No, but Chloe?

That would be great.

She seems down.

Not Chelsea.

But with Zion?

My wife and daughter are both in the Zion's gay and hasn't told his mom camp. Oh.
Yeah. Interesting.
Just throw it out there. Nothing.
Vibes only. Just vibes only.
Vibes only. Oh, man.
I mean, if Rick expects Chelsea to remain loyal, emotionally and sexually, I need him to stop telling her how fucking annoying she is. He needs to earn her love.
And he also needs to stop saying love ya instead of I love you. Put the I in front of it.
It's different. Listen, Chelsea believes in true love.
Yeah. Soulmates.
Hot Tooth Lady is here to teach us about what it really means to connect with other humans. No more cheap sex.
Here's the most important thing about Chelsea. She loves the Libra rising.
Great stuff.

Great stuff. I still don't know what it means,

but I do love her commitment.

If we talk about most upset

if anybody in this

show this season gets shot.

If Chelsea dies, I'll never recover.

Chelsea is so far above everyone else on this show

for I'd be upset. We have grown

incredibly attached to her. I really like her.

She's gotten to the point where I'm like, bring her back next year.

Rick dies at the end of season

three. Let's go.
She's gotten to the point where I'm like,

bring her back next year.

Rick dies at the end of season three.

Let's go.

Let's take her to Switzerland

for some skiing.

Chelsea has the through line

instead of Greg Gary?

Let's go.

We don't deserve that.

Shouldn't we be so lucky?

We don't deserve that.

I feel like there's a lot.

Chelsea dating again

after Rick's tragic death.

I'm ready for anything.

Assuming Rick doesn't make it.

You think Rick is going to die?

I'm rooting for Rick and Chelsea. I don't think it's going to go well for Chelsea.
I think Rick and Chelsea are going to make it. Happily ever after.
Rick and Chelsea together. Freed of the karma spiral.
But if Goggins also wants to come back next season, I would not say no. That would be wonderful.
That would be great. Gary.
Greg. Greg, Gary.
Gary, Greg. I was excited to talk about the incest, but I'm not going to lie.
The single number one, like most anticipated talking point for me today is your thoughts on this house. Oh.
You love a bit of real estate in a movie. You're at the lap pool.
This was a stop. The view from the deck.
Dobbins needs to come in for the final verdict, but this has to one of the jaw-dropping houses we've had on a TV show.

If they give us the kitchen we definitely need to have Amanda in here.

The giant pool.

Stunning. It's unclear how close

it is to the hotel but seems close enough

that he can just wander down and get a margarita.

It sounds great.

Unbelievable.

The egg is waiting

for you when you get out of your lap. Did you see juice that he had when you go on the lam is this where you'll hide it's certainly in the discussion now I do think there would be a lot of staff at all times I don't think it would ever be Greg Gary swimming by himself I think there would be like five people walking around constantly picking up like fruit that's fallen gardeners there would be a leaf bl leaf blower.
He was buttering his own toast. Yeah.
It's too quiet. He got to very like menacingly butter the toast so that we felt very afraid.
I'm terrified of him. Me too.
I gotta say. Really scary.
This guy is a great actor. Yeah.
This is like just a career long that guy who's bounced around and he's like awesome in this. Yeah.
Tremendous. When he says liarrowing.
It was so scary and also I'm like this guy knows. He always knows when people are lying.
He is so scary. Yeah it's really hard I think a part like this where you have very little to play with and a lot of it is vibes and intensity and being menacing or being like what's this guy thinking? He's just really good at it.
I still don't know what, like he's going to kill Belinda in episode seven. He's going to try to like, I'm like everything's on the table.
I'm going to sign another interview. I didn't realize how many I was reading that he was like, what John Grease said is that he wasn't always thinking of Greg Gary this way.
But when they started filming season three, he went to Mike White and he was like, psychopath? And he's like, psychopath. And he's like, okay, here we go.
Wow. Psychopath.
Had he been previously thinking of him as someone who would have taken the name Mitchell instead of just Gary? Pierre? Brian? Literally any other letter? Could have been anything. Well, first she tells Chelsea about the night before, which I loved.
I thought that was really fun. No, I hooked up with both of them.
That's so funny. Chelsea's like, what? The little pause between no and I hooked up with both of them was just great.
A couple of telling lines here. Mm-hmm.
Gary's going to dump me, comma, or worse. Yeah.
Yep. What does that mean? Well, she knows that he killed himself.
She knows he's like a murderer. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, this is not the first time that she has expressed genuine fear that he would kill her if she betrayed him.
Do you think it's a one murder or is this guy's multiple murders? I think she knows that he killed Tanya or had Tanya killed. But she's like, but this is a good situation.
Yeah, I know I complain a lot. But this is a good situation.
I enjoyed too when she spotted the deckhands. It was like, I need to buy their silence.
Yeah, but like, I don't think- Or they're going to rat me out. I love that.
I don't think that's what they did. Well, I don't think they did.
I think he just knows, but she doesn't even need to rat them. He had cameras somewhere.
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
If you have as much money as Greg Gary, you're putting cameras in all the bedrooms in the yacht. Yeah, take the yacht out.
On the space cat? I'll be on my little computer watching it tonight. That's gross.
So, Oh, God. So, he sees Gary.
She sees Gary swimming. Yep.
You fucked one of those brothers. Just tell me what you did.
Tell me which one you fucked. Tell me you did it.

Tell me you did it to hear the shit out of me.

Honestly, this is just...

Now you're just preaching right to Mel.

This is like her kind of content right here.

Tell me which one.

This is like right out of the affair season two.

Yeah.

Well, when we get the alternate perspective, you know?

The exact same episode a second time.

Can you imagine?

Oh my God, what a thrill that would be. It's a lot of lap swimming.
How does this invitation sound for you? Bring them over tonight. I want to have people over.
I need to deal with something and I need your help. It sounds fine.
This sounds great. Is it just a movie and dinner? Couples that murder together stay together.
I need you to help me murder Belinda. So that's the question, right? Is like, what level of candor and transparency will he have with Chloe? How, if he's saying, I need your help, is it just to bring people there and pretend it's like a casual evening? It feels like an, I'm going to kill you if you don't help me kill this person.
No, but how involved is she? I think it's like, it's bringing the bodies and also like, distract people. Yeah.
Yeah. But not, please slip this poison into someone's drink.
Tell Saxon before he comes over to grab some of the poison seed pods from his deck. Listen, poison fruit is off the board now in Vegas.
Oh, I think there's time. No, I'm saying it's poison fruit.
Somebody's dying from poison. We got yet another smoothie.
There's like Saxon killing Lockie.

That feels very likely to me.

Him making him a little blender shake

and not realizing the fruit was in hell.

Or Tim goes for the gun.

The gun is gone.

So he eats some fruit.

Seed pods.

Because so many different things could still happen.

The fruit's in play.

Well, with asking Chloe to bring Saxon,

and now Saxon has invited Tim. So it feels like Tim is maybe going to actually say to Gary, like, how do I hide? Right.
I'm not seeking. I'm hiding.
But do you think that's where he is after his, like, enlightenment at the monastery? The fact that I think he had his enlightenment and then he got pulled back under by Vicky saying, I can't live that way.

So that's kind of the seesaw that he's on for another episode until his ultimate decision.

But I wonder if he will actually actively approach Gary.

The other thing is like, is part of the Saxon play here not just I'm going to kill you because you fucked Chloe, but like I'm going to use you in some way.

To kill Belinda. You really want, and you were talking about this last week, you really want mastermind Greg Gary.
Not blunt force Greg Gary. You want him.
He's got Zion under his control. He's got Saxon under his, that's what you want.
Maybe Fabian. Fabian.
Promise him a record deal. Easy.
I'll fund your first jazz album. I mean, he can get him.
He can doet Master Fabian without much effort. But yeah, I like the idea, I think, because of the level of the plot to get Tanya's money, of him having to work harder than that now to cover his tracks.
Yes, but on the other hand, that was not going to pay off. Quentin take her to the opera.
I just want you both to know that I know I complain about him a lot,

but this is a good situation.

It's my worst case scenario for my second wife.

Oh.

I just said this to make Mel mad.

Mel, this is where you say you're only going to have one wife.

And this is where I agree with you because I'm only getting married once.

She's forever.

That's it.

Whereas for my second marriage.

That was bad. I was on her corner.
That's my joke. Maybe they'll say that about you, your second husband.
It's entirely possible. It's entirely possible.
It's a good situation. I know I complain about her a lot, but it's a good situation.
We have the Ratliff boys returning home from the yacht. This was just so funny.
So there's a missing scene where it's just like, what was that cab ride like? Oh my God. Just dead silence and somebody put their head out of the window.
Vicky tells the boys about Piper like they care. This was absolutely hysterical.
This is incredible. I loved every second of this.
How did you feel about Piper reducing the hedge fund industry to gambling with other people's monies.

That's not wasting your life.

That's meaningful sarcasm.

I don't think that Tim would have appreciated that if he had been in the room for it. Yeah, I do think it all led to Saxon saying, name one Buddhism for dipshits, which...

I love that.

Just historic stuff yet again from our guy Saxon Rattler.

I think Piper's zing was a little harder.

The blender's just going hard. The blender is just getting louder each episode.
Something I want to say about the blender, apparently the water is not potable. Oh, that's like a diarrhea machine? Yeah, so we do see him put Fiji water in the machine with his banana and his, no free ads for Fiji water, but it's definitely Fiji water, and his protein powder.
But elsewhere, Tim Ratliff needs to close his mouth when he takes his outdoor showers. This is not potable water.
Though I don't know if at the White Lotus they filter everything, even the shower water. I have no idea.
Or Tim Ratliff's drinking the water during the shower. He's like, as much bacteria as I can get.
Maybe it'll kill me. He better be the best Buddhist in China.
I love that line too. Remarkable stuff from you.
She was, she's, she's really figured out the character. It's great.
It's going to be interesting to see come any time. Almost everyone is worthy.
Because Chelsea's got to be in the mix too

but she can

they can put her

in supporting

even though she's not

yeah

because she's a younger

newer actress

and you can kind of

get away with that

you know what I mean

interesting

you could put

talk about a word fraud

but

yeah

Goggins and Isaacs

are going head to head

and that's tough

it's Isaacs though

isn't it

and Noah Wiley

from the pit

I'll make your own for it

we need to do what happens

and Adam Scott

from Severance. Wow.
I don't know if Goggins is at his episode yet and it feels like episode seven is going to be the one. I agree.
I'm waiting. Here's, I mean, I agree that Carrie Coon has been activated, but I still think we have like another big thing coming from Carrie Coon.
Oh yeah. coming from Walton Goggins especially like the way this episode ends the showdown with Hollinger I like have chills thinking about it right and if that goes as hard as Goggins is capable of going then but I still think it might be Noah Wiley from The Pit guys The Pit rules I haven't seen a second of the pit.
Well, that's not true. I've seen 120 seconds

because I've seen a couple. As I've told Joanna,

I've been served Instagram reels of somebody

shitting in a pan.

And somebody with a sunken face.

Are you sure that wasn't Meghan Markle?

Are you talking about the pasta?

Are you auditioning

for Jam Session right now? I thought I was going to get a bigger laugh

for that one. No, my wife and

daughter have said that TikTok and Instagram reels are now being dominated with people making fun of this Megan Markle show. Correct.
That all the thing, right? I've seen some stuff about the podcast. That's like the biggest thing right now.
Yeah. Yeah.
Which then provoked my wife into watching multiple episodes of it. How is it? And she was transfixed.
No such thing as bad publicity, I guess. There you go.
She said, this is a full-fledged hate watch. Don't get me wrong.
I can't believe the show exists. Consumed all of it.
She doesn't know how to do anything and just brings friends in to help her make stuff was the scouting report for my wife. And it's like friends.
That sounds beautiful. Everything I know about the show I learned from Amanda Dobbins.
Okay. When we run out of White Lotus to talk about or when people are looking for something, you can either hate watch the Meghan Markle show.
Yes. Or just love watch the pit.
Or love watch the pit. Yeah.
Well, I'm just happy for our pal Juliet. Same.
She's been through so much the last 30 years with Noah Wiley. The biggest ER fan in the world.
Having the most stock in him and the most stock in ER shows in general. And then just to watch him blossom like this.
Rick goes to see Sitala. I was working on that.
You crushed it. Actually, yeah.
Molly and I were talking about this before we started recording. Yeah, let's get his take.
We're a little disappointed in Rick. He did not Google one of her movies for this con.
Yeah. He's a bad con man.
Sloppy con job. Remember three names.
Come on. Sloppy con work.
Well, she knows he's full of shit, right? I don't think so. And I guess that's part of being a good con man is picking your mark wisely.
So if she is a vulnerable enough target, I mean, he gets, he makes his way into the house. So the con worked ultimately.
He's going to get to face down Jim Hollinger, probably his father. But like, shoddy con work.
One film title. Google it.
And his face keep giving it away? Yeah. She knows who he is and the husband's his dad.
And they've been waiting for this to happen. And they're ready.
Citala is playing chess and Rick's playing checkers. Just a theory.
I'm not all in on that, but she does seem to have like extra layers to her. I think she is way too savvy and accomplished over the years to just be completely snookered by dumbass Rick.
Yeah, I got a director and I can't remember any of your movies, but you're a great actress. He's so's just.
He's so full of shit. I don't know.
I think even that, though, it's just on theme for the show. It's like yet another person who's like, oh, you're telling me I'm great.
You're telling me somebody else thinks I'm great. And the first time we meet her, she's like.
I'm susceptible to that. Primping in a mirror.
Yeah. And like is all over Jacqueline and talking about her career as an actress.
So like. The vanity.
This is a huge vulnerability for her. I agree.
But I wouldn't, I don't know that she knows everything, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's some little spark to her. Do you know me? Beyond just like an easy mark.
I'm prepared for this to go in any direction. We do.
We and Rick, our eyes are drawn more than once at the restaurant, billion dollar tuna business. The seafood here is great.
And heading up into the home, the Hollinger bodyguards of the original MOOC guy talk debate. They're there.
Their holsters are full. They're strapped.
They're strapped. Get used to it.
Troubling. It's troubling.
I mean, we got to get all these guns back to the White Lotus, right? Are they going to chase Rick back? Do you know who I'm actually kind of worried for? Frank. Sweet Frank.
Who doesn't want to be sucked back into a life of crime? It's one last job for Frank, is it not? And that's never a good thing. Terrible.
Well, he's had sex with everyone in Thailand, so there's not a lot of places to go at this point. You can only go up from there.
Just basically maybe work at a coffee shop. Right to the grave after that.
Of all the fits on this show, I think the white suit on Goggins at the end when they're coming in on the... Sensational stuff.
And then Frank puts on his director costume, which is a ball cap. Also great at the cap.
Yeah. Well, not to get ahead of ourselves because it's the end, but I really like the boat ride.
The boat ride was cool where the house was. Yeah.
I really thought that was a fun like 30 seconds. Yeah, it was great.
Nice shot of the two guys together. Yeah.
Good wide shot. Yeah, I agree.
I was thinking like, it just got my brain thinking like, are you living in this house? Is the only way in and out? Boats? Mm-hmm. Like, is it like being in? I don't know.
That's a good question. Is there another way out? I was just really intrigued by it.
I would haveled earthed it right away if they had the address I hadn't thought about that if Rick needs to get out of there quickly oh shit well I don't now I'm even more worried and troubled than I already was I like Rick telling Frank like I won't even bring the gun then I won't even bring the gun and then in the in the linen suit it's very easy to spot the gun in that pocket no shit he's bringing the gun oh Rick we Oh, Rick. We're going to talk about Beaudism, but let's take a break.
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Shop now at homedepot.com. How does the Baltimore accent versus the North Carolina accent, what are the tweaks and pulls each way? Well, I was just going to say that to me sounded much more going down to the ocean on Baltimore than Carolinians.
The diphthong and the eww. But I welcome it.
Sprinkle a little bay in your LaCroix. Piper brings her family to the Buddhist place, sees the main ball guy.
Been feeling a little lost. The thing is, Bill, we need you to say things like main ball guy.
Head monk? No, we need you to say hot tooth lady and whatever because there are people listening at home who don't write down every... Yeah, you are.
We need you to say things like main ball guy. Head monk.
No, we need you to say like hot tooth lady and whatever because there are people listening at home who don't write down every... Yeah, you are.
We need you on that wall. The things my family cares about, I just don't care about.
This was emotional. That was a great scene for Piper.
Again, I was really surprised that that actress had said like a previous episode was her favorite episode. I thought this was the best Piper scene.
Easily the best acting she did. Yeah.
Like, really high level. I was impressed.

Yeah, really, really good. I loved it.

I mean, the monk was also

incredible. Yeah, he was fantastic.
A great

scene partner for both of them. Yeah.
He says

bring in your parents. I can answer their questions.

Yeah. Great.
Yep. And then

as this is happening, Guy Tuck is

breaking into the rat lifts.

Trying to find a gun. Isn't that great?

Now we're back with Tim and head bald guy. Bald guy number one.
Spiritual noise. Yep.
It's incredible. Lost connection.
With nature, with family, with the spirit. What is left? The self.
Now it's like Postmates. Streaming.
Fantasy baseball. My cat.
The Ravens, cats. Yeah, he brings up self and identity, which of course we've been talking about since the beginning.
Chasing money, pleasure. Everyone runs from pain towards pleasure.
When they get there, they only to find more pain. You cannot outrun pain, which is just like White Lotus.
Exactly. That's the show.
I gotta say, I wrote it down and I thought it was great. Yeah, it's fantastic.
This is really good stuff. Yes.
Who are we? Cannot outrun the pain. Yeah.
What decisions do you make in the face of that? Who are you when you try to strip away your desires? This will be certainly familiar to many people. There are many Buddhists in the world.
And then to many other people who are not, I think it will be familiar to a lot of Star Wars viewers, right? This philosophy and the way that it's made its way into the Star Wars canon. The Force is just Buddhism.
Is Star Wars Buddhist? Pretty much. Yeah.
There is a lot of influence there, so I think people will... Gotta re-watch that.
What happens when we die? And then do a podcast about it on a re-watch podcast. What happens when we when we die? He moved right past that.
Do you want to come on House of R and talk about Star Wars? Can we talk about how you're just a single drop of water and you shoot up and then you come back down in the ocean? And how death is a happy return? Did you like the visual that went with it? I actually, I didn't want to like it, but I liked it. I liked it too.
It was like almost Jack Handy SNL and then it like- It really was. Yeah, yeah.
And then they sort of like- Then it worked. Brought it back, yeah.
It worked. Also the cut from like the Chelsea calling Saxon soulless right into this whole stretch at the monastery and just thinking back to Saxon as the like when Lockie asked him earlier, what do I want? Like the pussy money respect, right into like, well, okay, what are we actually talking about here? The whole editing sequence in that stretch I thought was really wonderful.
I think that's the Emmy scene for Jason Isaacs too. His face.
So far. We don't know.
There's two episodes left. So good.
Meanwhile, Guy Tuck found the right drawer. Just 30 drawers.
First pick. I actually rewound that several times to see if the the handle was like how did he know it's just his day finally you and me you and me against the world mallory it's like surely it was slightly a jar right yeah and then vicky's going nuts about piper yeah this wants her to stay there one night it's great she's mad at tim but i love this i, I feel like this is where it's leading for Piper to be like, I don't want to stay here.
I was going to ask you for, yeah, where are you on this after this episode? I think Vicky's going to be right. I think so.
And that Piper's not going to want to stay there. Oh, so you're predicting the last second to Dario season one flip? All of them.
Where she just kind of buys into the life? They all just like, come back, you know? I think Vicky's like, yeah, you think you're so different from us, but you like your creature comforts. You don't know, you know? How many people have been wrong? Like what you were saying last week about the fact that we only have two seasons of evidence to go off of.
Right, small sample size. Yeah.
Great sports theory. And that Mike White could zag and give us something completely different.
Yeah. But I'm a little worried that Vicky, I feel like Vicky has to have a wit, has to be right about something.
And this feels like something she could be right about. She did.
I mean, she still was like kind of panicked when they got back to the villa and she was talking to Tim about it because the way he came out and he was like, I liked him. That might have been my favorite Tim line of the season.
Seemed legitimate. But Vicky

calling Piper's bluff

or what she thinks is her bluff

and banking on her

not truly being ready to leave

a life of luxury behind, I think it's entirely

possible that she's proven right.

But the thing we loved

about that Piper scene,

the sincerity, I don't

know, I think that it would be really powerful

if like this family

that basically didn't bother

to get to know their own kid

was wrong.

And she like actually made that choice.

I think the other thing

that's interesting is

I had a moment where I was like,

is Lockie going to be the one who stays?

Because he feels like he needs...

There's not... But...
Like the iPad kid. There's not enough monastery, there's not enough monastery in the world.
To help. I know.
The flashbacks that Lockheed's got. I know.
But then I swung back, right back out of that because I considered it for a minute, but then I'm like, I don't know. We think back to the corrective posture session and he is not, abject horror on his face when he confronted what he had done.
And I don't think that he has been presented to us as a character who is embracing that kind of self assessment. Can I just say that like, you're never coming back from jerking off your brother, incest jaunt in Thailand.
Well, he could, he could hang out with Frank one night. Maybe, maybe that's Lockie's destiny.
I just think think, yeah, forever. There's no going back.
There's no going back from this. You are forever.
And there's such a rich history of Southern Gothic literature, where, you know, of like Faulkner or Tennessee Williams or whatever, where there's a memory, an incident, an incestuous incident in the past. And here we are are like front row tickets to it actually happening live but this is forever gonna be part of their family yeah the brothers one night one night in Thailand when Piper tells Vicky like you just have to accept this it's not and then accept it's not the worst thing in the world it's like well I got news for you wait till she finds out that her husband has been embroiled in scandal and her sons are jerking each other off.
It's actually not the worst thing in the world, Vicky. And Cooper Flagg got hurt.
And Cooper Flagg got hurt. That's a Duke joke.
But Vicky would be celebrating that because she's Chapel Hill. Oh, that's true.
You're right. She's fired up.
No one tell Tim. Don't let Tim get his phone.
No. No.
It'll be the last run. By the way, I have loved these last couple episodes.
Not enough Pam. The phone made me think.
Not enough Pam. Where is Pam? Where is Pam? Yeah.
I agree. Maybe it was only a three episode contract.
I'm convinced Mike White was writing at least some of these lines or scenes after they started filming because there's no way he didn't hear Parker Posey for like

three episodes and then

he had to write what's next

shaving her head and banging a bongo

in Times Square

he had to have been like I gotta just have her say

the word bongo so I don't know what words

are left for us in the last two episodes but

it's gonna be stuff like bongo

that was remarkable

two three syllable things where she can go

high low

less amazing on the accent front but I don't want her

Thank you. but it's going to be stuff like bongo.
That was remarkable. Two, three syllable things where she can go high, low.
Yeah. Less amazing on the accent front, but I don't want her thinking she'll be just fine if she's poor.
She needs to fear poverty. Fear poverty.
Like everyone else we know. It's a great one.
It's just a remarkable line from Vicky. She says, if we lost everything, honestly, I'm not sure I'd want to live.
I don't have the will. I have it in me tim's face tough when you heard this oh um do you watch with subtitles on i do actually so you and i know you do so second screening i do the subtitles to make sure i get all this so you were both treated to as i was uh as tim is just in his haze confronting this v Vicky smelling her scent and saying, I like my scents.
Grass. Tuberos.
Yeah. She needs to live in her little shell of something and if she doesn't have her lorazepam, at least she can have a little scent bubble for herself.
So funny. I guess I'm a little behind on the outline because we didn't talk about Saxon hanging out with Chelsea at the pool yet.
I don't understand why you wouldn't hook up with me. Incredible scene.
You're soulless. That's something you...
Is he in his 30s yet? I think he's in his 20s. That's something you say in your 20s and that's really the only decade you would say that in.
You have enough confidence in yourself, and you've been around enough women where you would just say something like that. But he looks so young and such a shell of himself when she tears him down.
And comparing that to him being the apex predator in the pool, scoping it all out, and how far down he's come from there. I was really struck by his physical presentation of the whole episode, but this poolside stretch actually in particular, like, let me be clear, sunscreen is cool, bug spray is cool.
It's all good. You should use it.
But the noxious cloud. But he's like, kind of like, he's no longer Mr.
Hip, Mr. Cool, Mr.
I have it all together. He's like a tourist.
When he like gathers all his stuff up, he's just like, yeah. Shuffles home.
He's really going through it. Finds out he's soulless.
Yeah. Well, that was mean.
I like Chelsea a lot, but that was too much. I think she said it kind of timely.
Yeah, she didn't say it wasn't intentionally mean. It was like, you can do better.
She's like, right now you don't have a soul. Yeah, but work on it.
It did make me think on that front to like, obviously it was all part of the urgent need to get the phones out of their hands. But Tim in episode three saying to Saxon, like, well, if we put these away, we'll have more to offer.
Like, let's train ourselves to have more to offer. And is there any hope for Saxon still on the character on an arc front that he could embrace that? That he could decide he wants to be a character who has more to offer? In a show that's not White Lotus.
Sure. Yeah.
My guy! My guy Saxon! My guy Saxon! Your destiny is your destiny on White Lotus. Chloe shows up.
He knows about you. That's a starter.
Yeah. Doesn't seem that mad.
Doesn't care. Seem kind of turned on.
Incredible stuff here. And then Saxon does the threesome with another guy.
What part was a joke? And then he finds out that she remembers. I didn't force him to jerk you off.
Tough one. Chelsea.
Tough one. I don't remember that.
I blacked out. Well, I didn't.
God, I don't think there's a drug in the world that could make me get with my brother incredible Chelsea hey I don't judge whole thing's great everyone has their thing it's not a thing Chloe who I just found out in the last couple hours is Simon LeBond's daughter. Oh.
From Duran Duran. What? Wow.
Did not know that. Chris Ryan, a.k.a.
CR, passed that one along to me. And apparently she does some music too.
She's got a confidence to her of somebody that's clearly been on stage. I think she's gotten really good as the season's going along.
So Simon LeBond's daughter talking to Arnold Schwarzenegger's son. Great stuff.
Great stuff. I would have loved this in the 80s.
After fucking Ellison. Everyone has their thing.
It's fine. It's not my thing.
That was great. I loved all that.
We get Rick and Frank meeting. We get the fancies at the pool, I guess is the last thing we want to talk about one person's fake

is another person's

good manners

that was a great line

from Kate

and then it's just on

with Carrie Coon

and Jacqueline

oh man

Michelle Monaghan

yeah yeah yeah

where does this go?

I mean

I think they're going

to the fights

yeah

I think everyone's going

like

no

party in the fight

half the people

are going to Greg Gary's

and half the people

are going to the fight

yeah

right

Thank you. I mean, I think they're going to the fights.
Yeah. I think everyone's going.
Party, the fight.

Half the people are going to Greg Gary's and half the people are going to the fight.

Yeah.

Right?

And I guess, yeah, I guess we have some people still at the hotel.

Guy Talk's going with Mook.

Yeah.

Guy Talk's going to the fight with Mook.

Yeah.

The Russians and.

And he'll see the robber there.

And the Cougs are going.

Yep.

Yeah.

And then the Ratliffs.

Are going to Greg Gary's party.

And Belinda and Zion are going to Greg Gary's. And Rick is confronting his long lost father.
Yeah. That's like a great episode.
And Fabian's going to sing. But who will be there to watch? That's what he deserves.
That's sad. That's what he deserves.
A completely empty restaurant when he's going to make his debut. Believe what it is.
That is sad. Yeah.
I loved Shut Up Kate Have a Drink for fuck's sake. Great stuff.
Kate's wearing out her welcome. I mean they all are with each other.
Kate's just trying to make nice and trying to keep everything calm and smooth it over. But she's a complete phony.
Yeah. Kate told me he came out of your room this morning we're just the same people we were in the 10th grade.
This is what you always did. Kate, even imagine the history of these three.
I believe it. I believe there's never been a guy that Lori didn't say she had a crush on that Jacqueline didn't go for.
Yeah. And then later, Jackie to Kate.
You know how much gossip I have to deal with? My own friends are talking shit about me behind my back. She's literally talked the most shit this whole season of The Other Two.
Settle down, Jacqueline. It's true.
Yeah, she did it. She did it.
Why do you think she lied and said she didn't do it? She's so used to acting and appearances and needing to have this perfect relationship with Harrison. That's very important for her identity.
And I just really wish she had just been like, I was feeling so insecure. I couldn't get a hold of Harrison.
I did this thing and oh no, now he's called me and I feel like shit about it. But that's why these are not real friends.
They're not having actual real conversations with one another. No.
Does Jacqueline, who needs to go to the monastery next? Oh, man. I mean, I think every single character on the show would benefit from the chat that Tim had.
That's for sure. Well, we get Lockie and Piper meditating.
Lockie remembers his jerk off. Just astonishing.
Kind of talking to the gun range, might not have the killer instinct. And then Greg Gary runs into Belinda and invites her to dinner.
Do you think that, and do you think the gun range, we talked about this a little bit, but hearing the gun at the gun range, is there any way in which the gun range shooting has anything to do with the shooting in the final episode? No. Sounds different.
Okay. And then also, Tim having this very like, death is a return home.
Yeah. Is there a version of the story where Tim dies and we feel like kind of like he feels kind of okay with it and we feel kind of okay about it? I don't want him to die but if he's the character who is like had the lesson that death is not the end but a returning So the well organized mind, Lysias Malfoy, death is but the next great adventure.
I liked your theory about... Interpol? No, that it actually, at the end, it works out and he's not broke.
Yeah. I like that, too.
I do like that, too. Yeah.
I'm just wondering, like... Look, Pam shows up, gives him his phone vac.
Chuck has checked in. He's like, actually...
Kenny Nguyen just killed himself. The case has fallen apart.
I just don't know if this is like a comedy death, like the last two have been

comedy deaths. I shit in your

suitcase and then you stabbed me

with the knife meant to cut the pineapple

in the room you insisted on having.

Shoot out on the yacht

and then I fall

off the edge because I can't

dismount, hit my head and drown.

That is so different tonally.

Yeah.

But that's the monkey. Fabian's the only

one that I would like find Thank you. I disband, hit my head and drown.
That is so different tonally. Yeah.

But that's the monkey.

Fabian's the only one that I would find hilarious maybe, but... Where would toxic fruit blender drink rank?

I mean, it would have to be like an accident, I guess, or ingested by the wrong person.

I just think going back to the first episode, when some of the clues they dropped,

that we noted all of them, and two-thirds of them now have come to fruition.

So you think it's...

No pun intended.

It's the fruit.

Thank you. episode when some of the clues they dropped that we noted all of them.
Yeah. And two thirds of them now have come to fruition.

So you think it's no pun intended.

It's the fruit.

I'm just waiting for the fruit to make a reappearance and the fucking blender just getting louder.

The blender is getting louder and more prominent each episode.

Yeah.

Just focused on it.

Last house,

top of the hill come anytime.

Yeah.

What an invite from Greg.

Seems fine.

You may remember me

because I killed that lady

who was going to fund your stuff.

Tonight,

eight o'clock,

what do you think?

I feel like she's going to go

but I don't know

how we get her there.

We get a dream sequence

of Tim's murder-suicide

and then we get

the Bangkok boat ride

with Rick and Frank

and Rick

going into the house

doing the Rick face.

Rick's had a couple faces.

We saw Scott Glenn

come down the stairs.

We heard a couple

little whispers

from Scott Glenn.

And I'm like,

I'm going, all right, where's Stick? Let's go. You could see Scott Glenn, though.
You could just see a figure emerging from the stairs and the look on Rick's face. We know Rick saw him, which is what matters.
So on that Belinda, it's implied that she will have told Zion everything, right, between episodes.

Given the way that, well, yes.

And Zion probably does, though.

We got to go.

We got to confront this guy.

I'll talk to him.

I think Zion's going to try to be like, yeah.

And especially because when the shootout happened at the beginning of the first episode, he was so worried about his mom.

He clearly is going to be in possession of the facts by then.

Okay.

Does that take some tension out of the party? Belinda's making it through the party at least. We know that.
That's true. That's true.
Yeah. Is Saxon? I don't know.
Is Chloe? I'm very worried about Chloe. Same.
Chloe's in trouble. How many partners can Greg have killed? Oh, the limit does not exist.

Then again, how many people can be murdered at the White Lotus?

I mean, do you think Tanya's fortune alone built that house?

Or did he have to kill many a wife in order to get a house that big?

So she had like half a billion dollars.

Because he was already staying at the White Lotus.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So he had some money.

Well, or he was pooling his resources to mark. I don't know if blm was really land management land management yeah i don't know if the land management was cranking it out oh man he's also in uh someone reminded me that in season two tanya's in like the diamond circle at the white lotus and he's he's in the diamond circle at the white lotus as well so maybe that's right on the same floor in and out out privilege.
Good point. Did you want more from the Blinda sex scene? I forgot to ask you.
Like just the cuddling in the next morning. Yeah.
Didn't really check a lot of boxes. These people have like, they've washed each other's feet.
Yeah. They've cradled each other's body.
They've cradled each other in a gentle pool of water. I want to see them exploring every inch of each other.
I don't know that I need

Zion to see that, but I want to see it. From a sex standpoint,

I guess we had a quick... It's positively

chaste, other than Lockie jerking off

his brother. Well, and then Lockie

kind of pounding away at Chloe.

Why is this such

a prudish season?

Other than Sam Rockwell's

five and a half minute uninterrupted

monologue. It's been positively tame.
Did you want to see more of Jacqueline and Valentin? We got the come hither. Yeah, just a little slid in and then that's it.
Michelle Monaghan doesn't really dabble in those waters. And I was like, whoa, she's really going for it.
Didn't really do it though. Just had the excited look on her face and that was about it.
Two episodes left, guys. Who's going to fuck still? Predictions.
Yeah, let's go. What do you got? I think Zion will have sex, hopefully.
Maybe Piper will be like, this life's not for me. Zion and Piper? Zion and Piper.
I love it. That's interesting.
That's a good one. The siblings can go back to the water.
They're both seniors in college. We all had some action.
Same age. Love that.
Predictions. Are we creeped out? I mean, like, should be mentioned, in and among the brotherly handjob, there's the fact that, like, you know, Lockie is 18, but, like, just 18.
How old is Chloe? You know, like. Well, she likes the young ones, though.
She likes watching their heartbeat. Let's be honest.
Chloe's not a great person. It's all very disturbing.
That's a fair point. Can we all do one wild prediction? I think my wildest one, and I don't even think it's that wild, but I really think Saxon's going to kill Lockie with a fruit blender drink.
Intentionally? Yes. I think he's going to kill his brother.
He's worried that- I don't think he's going to be able to deal with this. He's got this macho whatever, and I just feel like he needs to eliminate him so he doesn't think about this anymore.
It's only the two of them know. Chloe dies somehow, and then if he kills kills the brother then nobody will remember this happened.
The Saxon trying to maybe poison Lockie with the smoothie has been on my mind too. I'm worried about that.
The only thing is I thought even though he was like it's not a thing. It's definitely not a thing.
His reaction to Chelsea and Chloe ultimately was I thought kind of like tame. Well but like, oh, God.
Oh, because he wasn't doing the like. You were worried about Saxon's rage instincts earlier.
He was more like rightfully so disturbed, scared, ashamed. Yeah.
You know, so I think that could lead him to violence. Could it be a Saxon preparing the fruit blender drink for Lockie, but then someone else drinks it? That's in play too.
I don't know. I just feel like they're...
The poison fruit and the blender. Poison fruit, wrong person drinks it.
I agree. So I have that one.
We're going to hear from the Russians again. Okay, no question.
That's another one. Okay, wait, wait, wait.
We still think Guy Talk's going to see the robbers at the fight. I need to go back to Tim.
Yeah. Yeah.
Tim drinks it. Tim does get off scot-free.
Like, finds out from his phone that everything's fine. And then finds out one of the kids is dead.
And then drinks the poison blender. And then drinks the poison blender anyway, just by accident.
That'd be great. And then he dies, but as he dies, we see the crashing waves again and it's just a drop returned to the ocean.
Or Vicky drinks it and it just doesn't phase her at all. She's fine.
She chugs the whole thing.

She's like wags

with the body sushi

in billions.

Built up a tolerance.

Sobers are up.

Yeah.

So,

all right.

So death rankings.

Who would you have won?

I mean,

we got another

Bad Luck Comes in threes

from Chelsea.

All of the lingering looks

on the guns

on Hollywood's body.

Chelsea and Rico are fine. I hope they're okay.
I mean, I think Chloe, we have to be concerned, right? Though I will say, if Rick's got to die, if Rick gets shot and dies, that red suit, that white suit with the red blossom would be beautiful. So if Rick dies in this next episode, and Chelsea loves Rick, and she'll be like on a...
On a grief tour of White Lotuses for the next four seasons? Or like trying to find out like more info and trying to blow it up basically. Greg Gary dies.
I hope so. I really hope so.
I think Rick is going to be okay. Who gets the house? It's fucking amazing.
Can Chloe get the house? Think about it. Chloe ends up with the house.
That's a good outcome. Maybe Chelsea lives there grieving dead Rick.
Oh, okay. I want Rick to be okay and I want him to embrace Amrita's lesson to him.
I hope that that happens. I think our guy Goggins signed up

for one season. Please kill

me at the end. Can I have a white suit

on? The old Harrison Ford?

Yeah. You guys

I don't think will agree because you're more disciplined

and you believe rightly that

television episodes should be a certain

length and seasons should be a certain length.

The fact that we've now had a couple of the

half day into night as separate episodes, I want the next White Lotus season to be 14 episodes. I would watch every second of it and I would do it gladly and I would love it.
Yeah, we're different. I need more.
Same but different. I'm following my desire to the point of pleasure and I will find pain, but I'm going to keep doing it anyway.

So did you say there was like this

White Lotus Four Seasons collaboration?

Oh yeah.

Should we get robes?

What would HBO do if Mike White's like,

I've written season four,

not doing it unless I get,

we're 50-50 on all this stuff going forward

because I didn't get cut in.

Nobody knew this was going to be the show that kept going.

I don't have to make season four.

I'm good.

Once the Emmys did great, made some money.

You're cutting me an hour.

You're not getting season four.

I'm going to hijack it from you.

You tell us.

What would happen?

I don't know.

I just, what would HBO do?

It depends on what the contract is.

Because does he own White Lotus?

I don't know.

Or does HBO own White Lotus? And can they make it without him? I'm just always interested in this because like Yellowstone had, they do like the steakhouse now. Like the 666 steakhouse is like a pop-up steakhouse.
The 466. Oh, you want.
The 466? The 466, thank you. Whatever.
You want Mike White to see some of that Coffee Mate money. I just always wonder when a show turns turns into something else like this, he still has some say and some power.
In this show, I think this season's been, I think, in the running for biggest audience they've had. It's like, a little power Mike White.
Pay Mike White. How long are we going to have to wait for the next season? Oh my God.
Two years at least. They make them pretty quickly though.

We'll,

I'll be dead by then.

That'll be it.

We've,

this'll be our last White Lotus season.

Are we going to Greg Gary's party?

Good God.

We're just going to be,

we're just going to be underwater.

The last one was 2023,

right?

That's,

that was the last season of White Lotus.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Cause 21,

23,

25.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Two years.

Who,

last question. Who's your MVP through six episodes? Jason Isaacs.
I agree. Amy Liu, a close second, I think.
Jason Isaacs, really your MVP? Yeah. Parker Posey also in the running.
Honestly, they've been so good. They've all been great.
I think Chelsea's my MVP. Yeah, she's been amazing.
And I would say for sidekick MVP is Parker Posey. Yeah.
But I also think... On the comedy front, it's obviously Parker Posey.
I think what Schwarzenegger is doing with that character is really good. I think he's great.
He's a genuinely good actor. I think he's great.
He's really good. I was trying to think of other people, like if that had been Jake Lacey in that part.
I don't know if he's able to pull it off the same way. Hungover Saxon was

truly phenomenal. Yeah.

Really good stuff. Great stuff.
Alright.

That's it. Well Prestige TV

you're doing your deep dive with Rob.

We'll be able to watch

that on Ringer Dash TV YouTube

plus as a video put on Spotify.

Correct. And I'll see you

next week hopefully. Thanks to the crew for producing

as always.

White Lotus. Pleasure.
White Lotus, pleasure.

Delight, truly.