‘The White Lotus’ Season 3, Episode 6: About Last Night

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Speaker 1 Yeah, all the severance. The season ended.
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Speaker 1 And I'm starting to get sad because this is episode six of White Lotus, and we only have a couple left. No.
We only have one more pre-tape. And then usually we don't get the screeners for the finale.

Speaker 1 so we're going to do that one live. Live Sunday night.
Live.

Speaker 1 That's very exciting.

Speaker 1 Sunday night. You love a live reaction pod.
I would be thrilled to watch the White Lotus finale with this.

Speaker 1 And then immediately talk about it. Genuinely.
Will someone turn to the other and say, you're soulless?

Speaker 1 Sad. Could happen.
Will you show up with Saxon's hangover hair? It's entirely possible. As you know, I'm considering buying one of Locky's shirts.

Speaker 1 I told you both that I've been served Locky's outfits on Instagram, which I am deeply disturbed by.

Speaker 1 You don't want to embrace your interlockie? No. Okay.
A little sleight of hand, Meller. You know?

Speaker 1 We're going to dive into all this and Buddhism. Episode six is next.

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Speaker 1 All right. Tough to follow episode five, which was a banger.
And yet episode six did its own banging.

Speaker 1 Boy did it. Boy did it.
I liked this one even better. Yeah.
I thought this one was phenomenal. They're on a heater, man.
Yeah. Every episode is better than the last.

Speaker 1 We were concerned, intrigued, worried.

Speaker 1 Where were they going to go with the brothers storyline? Tantalized.

Speaker 1 Scared.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And?

Speaker 1 So you said you didn't want this. When we asked last week, do you want to go beyond kissing? You were like, thank you.
No, yeah. Still definitely don't want it.

Speaker 1 Man, they go for it. Yeah.
Yeah. Holy mackerel.
So the answer of, oh, I wonder how far they're going to go with the brothers. Well, they went really far.

Speaker 1 And now the only thing left for Mike White to do on White Lotus, I think, is necrophilia. Oh, what give it time? We've got to make sure we're doing cold white lotus next season.

Speaker 1 You guys remember the simpler times when Saxon opened the season wondering where and how he'd jerk off while sharing a hotel room with his brother. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Turns out it's not going to be a problem, Saxon. Your brother's going to jerk you

Speaker 1 a hand. In the cabin of a boat.

Speaker 1 I loved when they swapped swim trucks, and it's like, what won't they share? Jesus. Well, when we see the flashback initially, it looks like he's jerking off.
Yeah, some great camera angle works.

Speaker 1 Yes, Lockheed's having sex with Chloe. Yep.
And I'm like, all right, that's pretty disturbing. And then 10 minutes later, nope.
Nope. He's getting some help.
He sure is. Lines were crossed.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I don't know what

Speaker 1 we are recording this before we know what America's reaction on being is. And I'm curious, what do you think America's reaction on being? I think saying lines are crossed is a safe play.

Speaker 1 I think you're going to be able to do it. Yeah, but I mean, like, are people going to say this is a line too far for their Sunday Night HBO?

Speaker 1 I feel like people are going to, some people are going to say that, but for the most part, I feel like people are going to be like, we love how depraved this is. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, I'm trying to, and I haven't watched all the HBO shows, but HBO has been in my life my whole life. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Even to when we had the little box at my dad's apartment in Brooklyn, Massachusetts, where you turned it on and off. I'm trying to think of the craziest, most depraved things I've seen.

Speaker 1 And the bar for me was always Adabisi raping the mafia's son in Oz and putting his headphones on during it because he wanted some entertainment.

Speaker 1 And I remember thinking, they're never going to top this. They have topped it over and over again on HBO since.
And

Speaker 1 this is now, I think, up there. Yeah.
I mean, girls had one.

Speaker 1 Girls had the Come Shot episode. Oh, yeah.
Which I remember thinking, like, oh my God, I think that's the final line, but this might be.

Speaker 1 I feel like a nation

Speaker 1 raised on Game of Thrones is like ready to be hot. You know what I mean? Right.
Game of Thrones, but Game of Thrones could always hide behind this is a weird, crazy fantasy.

Speaker 1 Even in a fantasy world,

Speaker 1 when Damon Targaryen has a Heronhull Heronhull fever dream that he's performing oral sex on his own mother, it's notable. It's notable.
That's a good point.

Speaker 1 And that is what we are accustomed to seeing on our Sunday night. So this was like a yawn, old hat, for you.
You were just like, no big deal, little brother and brother.

Speaker 1 I did feel like proud of this group of Game of Thrones viewers for clocking from minute one that we were headed to incest town here. I mean, we weren't alone.

Speaker 1 No, we were not alone, but we were rewarded. Well, retrospect, punished.
I don't know. Having Locky check out his brother's ass at the end of episode one might have been a red flag.

Speaker 1 That was Axon gets to check out his ass.

Speaker 1 The mirroring and the inversions, like right down to flipping which side they're on in the bed, and Saxon looking over at Locky's ass this time, like it's great.

Speaker 1 The number of things that were there from the first couple episodes with the fancy cougars, how we've been trained all season long to expect that they're able to hear and see things from each other's bedrooms across that villa.

Speaker 1 So when Kate sees Valentin leaving, we're not like, oh, how convenient. We're like, yeah, we've been readying for something like that from the word go.

Speaker 1 What I loved is that when they were gossiping about her at the pool and Jacqueline's like, I'm ready here. I can hear you.
You know, like, that was great.

Speaker 1 So you, we dove into this a little in episode five that you were really interested in the Lockheed part of this. Yeah.
That this is like some.

Speaker 1 Weird power over his brother who's like a bully to him and just ridicules him. What's interesting is Sam Davola gave an interview where he was like, that's not what's going on.

Speaker 1 His interpretation is that Lockheed just really wanted attention to impress his brother. And all he had like rattling around his drug-addled brain was, my brother said, we have to get laid.

Speaker 1 My brother says we have to get laid. My brother says we have to get laid.
So we'll get laid.

Speaker 1 You know, so I don't like, there are shots in this episode, you know, where he's almost like smirking in a way that I was wondering if that's what was going on.

Speaker 1 But according to the actor, and I, you know, I guess, I guess he knows a little bit more than I do about his own character,

Speaker 1 that it's something else, that it's like attention seeking and trying to impress. And I think it's interesting that he goes off with Piper in this episode, you know.
True.

Speaker 1 He's just a really good sibling. Yeah.
He's just really, really, really

Speaker 1 good.

Speaker 1 Ready to lend a hand. See, this is why I don't like those interviews during the season.
Oh, man. But you talk directly to the people.
I try not to.

Speaker 1 After I found out about the Rockwell surprise, I was like, I don't want any more info.

Speaker 1 But I will say, I do avoid those interviews because I don't want anything to prejudice how I'm feeling when I'm watching. Yeah.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 I interpreted it because if you're doing these shows correctly, it's almost like reading a book when you're sitting in college and the English majors are all giving their theories on what they saw.

Speaker 1 Stupid English majors. Yeah, that's stupid.
But I think Mike White, I do think he cares about that. Like, I'm throwing this out there.

Speaker 1 I'm really interested to see how people take this and run with it once it's in the world.

Speaker 1 I would say that in White Lotus of all shows, we still have the cover of like, whether it's the performer or the analyst or the characters themselves.

Speaker 1 So much of the core proposition is trying to interrogate your own behavior or being afraid to interrogate your own behavior. And so there's room for interpretation no matter what.
I think that's true.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I had that as one of the big takeaways for this episode. You know, we start with the big takeaways.

Speaker 1 My half-assed format.

Speaker 1 Along with everyone on the show is now lying or pretending or

Speaker 1 fantastic. Doing some different version of what they actually are or who they are.
Even Belinda.

Speaker 1 The son here's Zion. It's like, hey, baby.
Can you give me a second? You called this. You're like, how early? Okay, so she told him to come right to the hotel room.
How early is Stuart?

Speaker 1 I have to, I have a note for the White Lotus Hotel chain.

Speaker 1 I know she told her son to come right there. However, I still think if you're bringing someone to the room, you call ahead and/or you knock.
You don't just one knock

Speaker 1 would be one knock. They have a remarkably healthy relationship.
Yeah. Full of scarface advice.
Incredible stuff. I'm just trying to take some parenting notes.

Speaker 1 Well, I was just thinking, my wife and my son, in the same scenario, if I was dead and my wife was getting on with

Speaker 1 some guy she met at the White Lotus.

Speaker 1 Dare to dream. Not about them being dead.
My son would have been, I think, 130 times more horrified. Oh, yeah.
Zion took it. Zion took it quickly.

Speaker 1 They have just like a very...

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 perhaps.

Speaker 1 I mean, he showed up from

Speaker 1 global travel wearing Travis Scott one high mochas. Like, Zion is elite.
I have no notes on Zion. I really love the incredible headphone placement.
Great stuff.

Speaker 1 Yeah, your worst fear as a kid, other than divorce?

Speaker 1 For some of us, it's just reality from day one.

Speaker 1 You can't fear the only thing you've ever had. Your worst fear as a kid is walking in on your parents or parent and step parent having sex would be number one on the list.

Speaker 1 And then your worst fear as a parent is your kids walking in on you having sex. Is that your worst fear? Is it your worst fear that they're going to go take drugs at a full moon festival?

Speaker 1 Well, maybe that too yeah maybe they end up in an episode whatever those parts

Speaker 1 too close um but he took that well anyway everyone's lying or pretending now there's a takeaway yep

Speaker 1 there's real danger in the air now

Speaker 1 there's danger and death

Speaker 1 now looming there's people starting to seem evil or seem like so we'll get into all that

Speaker 1 This shows made Buddhism seem really cool. I'm really starting to think about it.

Speaker 1 Are we missing out? That was my favorite scene of the season. Are we missing out on Buddhism?

Speaker 1 Tim and the monk.

Speaker 1 i thought that was that was the best scene of the episode we've been praising the jason isaacs performance all season yeah i i thought he hit yet another gear in the understated longing and anguish across the scenes in this episode it's just tremendous so are you now because you're intrigued by buddhism are you continuing to amend your initial stance on visiting china

Speaker 1 thank you for

Speaker 1 visiting the white lotus in phuket What do you think should we take a trip? I have thought more about

Speaker 1 it. There it is.
Listen, the drops of water,

Speaker 1 you leave the ocean, you're a drop, and then you fall back down and you're meant to end up in the ocean again. And I was like, you know what? Happy return.
Lovely. This is great.
I loved that.

Speaker 1 What was that guy's name? Beautiful. The monk? Yeah.
He doesn't have a name, right? I bet Mallory wrote it down. Luang Portira.
Yeah. All right.
So we'll get into that.

Speaker 1 And then last big takeaway, Carrie-Koon, Kuhn, activated. Don't matter.

Speaker 1 We plugged her in these last two episodes. She is now fully an electric guitar and not just an acoustic guitar.
Lawyer Laurie has entered the astonishing stuff from the Cougar.

Speaker 1 She's blowing away the other cougars now in every scene.

Speaker 1 She played at Koi for like... It was like a football team, just handing off and be like, we're not going to throw deep.

Speaker 1 And then now she's bombing away. They had the plays drawn up.
They had the plays drawn up. It's like third quarter.
I'm bombing away.

Speaker 1 Anything else, big takeaways before we get to the episode? Oh, man.

Speaker 1 I'm just really glad that Chelsea stayed safe and away from Saxon. We didn't think, and ultimately, Rick

Speaker 1 and what we saw on Rick's face last episode with Frank probably will never be matched in the history of television.

Speaker 1 However, Chelsea listening to Chloe tell Saxon that Locky had jerked him off, pretty close on the facial expression front. Astonishing stuff for Chelsea.

Speaker 1 And the fact that that comes on the heels of her being like, oh, you're soulless.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So that was a great thing.
My guy, Saxon, has really gone through it. I guess on the big takeaways front, this is another day that did not go into the night.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, because we've got the Mushai effect.

Speaker 1 So, like,

Speaker 1 the structure of what we would expect inside of an episode of White Lotus continues to kind of be shattered. And now I'm like, wait, give us nine? Give us 10? Like, I'm not ready.

Speaker 1 How many days have we had?

Speaker 1 Is this like day four?

Speaker 1 I think this is day four. Two, three, and and then four and five.
So, this is day five, right?

Speaker 1 Yes. And we still, so tonight, which I guess will be episode seven, we've got the Muay Thai fight, the sleepover at the monastery, the party at Greg Gary's.

Speaker 1 Party of my ass.

Speaker 1 Please come. I'm a super creepy, mysterious, unfriendly guy.
I'm having some people over. Any interest? Is that Fabian singing?

Speaker 1 The Mook Guy Talk date, obviously, Rick meeting Hollinger, like all of that is going to be contained to one evening. So is episode seven also just part of the same day?

Speaker 1 Does the shootout happen before the end of of the week in the finale? Or is it a five-day week? I get super hot because the travel, the length of the travel, the time at the resort is shorter.

Speaker 1 So it puts the gunfire from episode one on a Saturday then. If we're headed toward Friday, the fights, that's episode

Speaker 1 seven. And then the last episode will be that Saturday.

Speaker 1 It's a five-day thing. Zion just got here.
I mean, it's a lot of travel for just a couple of days. But Belinda is staying longer than the week.
So that's, yeah, that's good.

Speaker 1 We start the episode

Speaker 1 with Tim in a Duke sweatshirt. T-shirt.
T-shirt. T-shirt.
Yeah. It was a t-shirt.
How do you feel about a fake out dream sequence? It worked. I thought it was real.
Did you think it was real?

Speaker 1 I actually thought it was real.

Speaker 1 I did not think it was real.

Speaker 1 Mostly because I had convinced myself that we were getting the meaningful Tim scene at the monastery that was going to come. And I just felt like being cheated of that would have been.

Speaker 1 Was this like a trailer studying thing by you?

Speaker 1 No, no, but I will say, and I didn't study these trailers, but I do know that people, I think the Piper Scream was in the trailer. The trailer.

Speaker 1 I think people got a little faked out by some of this stuff in the trailer. Yeah.
Dream, blue-tinged dream sequences in the trailer.

Speaker 1 So yeah, I don't mind dream sequences like this where one off the rails was the Sopranos

Speaker 1 when they would do entire episodes. Entire episodes? Joe doesn't know what I'm talking about.
They would do entire dream sequence episodes.

Speaker 1 One day. And it was like, come on, guys.

Speaker 1 It feels like we're not getting anywhere i didn't mind it because we got then the second one later yeah when tim uh envisioned and and daydreamed about not only killing himself but about killing vicky and apologizing and i thought in general tim confronting like he's been spending so much of the season thinking about his own fall.

Speaker 1 Like, I won't be able to go back to work. I won't be able to be the person I was.
I'd rather die than go to jail.

Speaker 1 And to have to think about what it would be like for his family to find him, for his family to confront his death in that way, I thought was important for the character.

Speaker 1 This This is why we've been getting emails all season about the idea of like a family annihilator, which is a technical term of like,

Speaker 1 you know, a well-healed businessman who loses everything and then not only kills himself, but kills his entire family because like he can't face the shame, but also does not want his family exposed to it either.

Speaker 1 And that's like a known thing. And so people have been wondering, that feels too dark.

Speaker 1 And especially since we saw Tim have this hopefully moment of enlightenment at the monastery.

Speaker 1 This is not where Tim is headed, headed, but I think that that's why people were worried that that might be an instinct for him. Right.
Especially, yeah, when we hear Victoria, Family Annihilator?

Speaker 1 Family Annihilator. Sounds like the worst Netflix series ever.

Speaker 1 Season four of Family Annihilator. We're going to Kansas City.

Speaker 1 I think the algorithm would love that one, honestly. I'm sure it exists on like a TLC or something.

Speaker 1 I will say, I thought about this

Speaker 1 during episode five, and I didn't want to voice it because I think we all like Jason Isaacs, but it's like, I think they've shaded it a little too much toward this guy, his life's falling apart.

Speaker 1 It's kind of like, we get it.

Speaker 1 It's because it's starting to feel a little one-note to me, which is why I thought the scene with the monk was so important because it was like, okay, now it's not just him being like, well, what I, yeah, what I love.

Speaker 1 No, he was doing it for three episodes. I kind of agree with you, but on the other hand,

Speaker 1 I do think that it's important for us to think about where we meet him in episode one. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like that guy who walks into the villa, big swinging dick and is just sort of like i did this and like really you know in every way right sort of thing yeah

Speaker 1 yeah i did this and then to get him to the monastery i do think we need to sort of really be with him yeah so we're not like well that was a quick you know complete turnaround on this character that is the thing about the structure of these seasons It's going to be two months for us, but it's a week for the characters.

Speaker 1 Like it's just a week, a couple of days of his life falling apart. I continue to think that the rat lifts have been the most compelling and

Speaker 1 the family set that's giving us the most notes other than Vicki, though that's obviously deliberate that she is like always operating in this one little frequency wave of

Speaker 1 parody.

Speaker 1 I was feeling that with Guy Talk this episode. Like

Speaker 1 no variance in, though I think that we are moving toward a

Speaker 1 impactful conclusion for him. The tension for me and like to to go back to Tim for some for a second, I am going to cite an interview, but it's not hopefully too uh

Speaker 1 that like Jason Isis was talking about the challenge of playing this character who is never talking about how he's feeling, yeah, you know, so it's all an internal performance.

Speaker 1 And I can, I hear what you're saying about it being repetitive, but it's just sort of like, I think for people, especially people who might be second screening white lotus, like you really need to drive something like that where there's no conversation around what's going on, It's all internal to him.

Speaker 1 To Guy Talk, on the one hand, I agree. On the other hand, I was very tense

Speaker 1 and very worried that he was going to get caught and accused of stealing Larazapam or something like that from

Speaker 1 the villa. Still could.
Still possible, just that for Vicky's like, who took my pills? And they see him going into the villa on that CCTV footage. It's still possible.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Just be working at the snake shop. But we need him ultimately to remain free of Vicky's accusations so that he can fire his gun after a monkey scares someone.
We still need all that to happen.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Perhaps because of poison fruit.

Speaker 1 It's all still in play. And toilet snakes.
And Vicki thinks Tim's upset about Piper and potentially staying there for the year and just is

Speaker 1 an all-time wife that cannot read any signals whatsoever. No, Vicky.
She thinks she found another, like, she's not, she seems fine without her Lorazapam. She seems the same.

Speaker 1 Well, now she's just boozing. Yeah, she's boozing.
And I guess she's a little bit more alert at the monastery in that she's like running a gambit on her daughter.

Speaker 1 She's like, Yeah, she's like, Let me call your ball. Yeah, go ahead and spend a night here.
Let's see how that goes for you. I saw how they lived.
It's grim.

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Speaker 1 All right, the fancy cougars.

Speaker 1 Valentin leaves in the morning. Yeah.
Seemed like he had a great night. Sure did.
Just smiles. Right at work.
Seems like he'd be a great, great addition to the ringer staff.

Speaker 1 Guys going all night, sleeps, what, shower, sleeps for a half hour back at work. That's smile on his face.
That's the Meli Ruth. And he can multitask, you know? It's just unbelievable.

Speaker 1 He's a party planner. Yeah, yeah.
He's a great butler. He's a great host.

Speaker 1 Great to introduce you to wonderful people. Exactly.
Anyway, love to life.

Speaker 1 I love this detail.

Speaker 1 It's really early, but Kate's on the phone because of the time difference. So she's like, she's talking to her kids on the phone or something.
Dave, give me the latest on Trump. What's he up to? Dano?

Speaker 1 Are you soaking the beans for when I return?

Speaker 1 Well, she wasn't hungover either because she probably had like a drink and a half.

Speaker 1 You know, she put those pajamas on and she was just trying really hard to get everyone out of there so she could go to bed and then wake up early to blow up the friend group.

Speaker 1 But because this is what makes the cougars so great, they're best friends. They've been best friends forever.
She can't wait to tell Lori at breakfast.

Speaker 1 Like it literally can't even wait until the food's there to give her that one. I love this because

Speaker 1 they've all been gossiping about each other, but like Kate has always been the one who's relished it the most. She gets this cat with the canary sort of smile on her face every time.

Speaker 1 So she's so excited to tell Lori this. And then she's like, oh no,

Speaker 1 I just kicked something off and tries to put the cat back in the bag, but it is not.

Speaker 1 It's impossible. It is funny.
I am laughing. So you're

Speaker 1 buying that she didn't realize that. Carrie Koon was going to get that upset.
I didn't think she thought it would, she would get that upset. Oh, I see, I disagree.

Speaker 1 I think these three women hate each other and she couldn't wait to stick it to her with that one.

Speaker 1 Because they're out the whole night and she's watching Carrie Koon the whole night go i don't think i wonder if she's gonna have a threesome with these two russian guys and then all of a sudden i don't think she i don't think it didn't cross her mind that carry kuhn might be upset i think she thought lori would keep it to herself and not it's it's like the fallout that she doesn't want she doesn't want and then when she gets implicated in it when lori's like well kate's the one who told me wonderful

Speaker 1 she's known lori since what eighth grade she knows like if once you activate her

Speaker 1 i would assume she has enough history with that character to be like oh, she's gonna, she's just gonna start doing this.

Speaker 1 Certainly, given that one of the notes that Laurie is hitting repeatedly throughout the episode is like, nobody ever changes, right?

Speaker 1 We are always like kind of stunned as these earlier versions of ourselves. Um, when one of us was your hands and one of us was your feet, right?

Speaker 1 Like, so I think that this, every single obviously, it's like a heightened circumstance, but every single thing from all three of them that happened in this episode felt so true to friendship to me.

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 1 Kate

Speaker 1 is stirring the pot and then can't believe when it spills over. Like, what do you, what happens when you soak the flame, right?

Speaker 1 She's not forgetting that. We all know people who do this in real life.
Exactly. Like, I don't think it's necessarily like I might be that person in my family.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You're a little bit of a shitstar.
I kind of start that with, yeah, my daughter. Sometimes I just can't help myself.

Speaker 1 I do think that she is leaning into the drama, but also think she probably was not counting on this level of a response. And that's her miscalculation.

Speaker 1 Laurie is like genuinely, despite saying repeatedly that she doesn't care.

Speaker 1 Of course it's, I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine, yeah, it's fine, of course it's an ego blow.

Speaker 1 Like we saw them at the end of the fifth episode, she's whispering into his ear, like she's so upset when Valentine comes over to the table and she's just sort of like the energy healing, like it's better with your eyes closed.

Speaker 1 We saw that they were gravitating toward each other and of course she resents the Jacqueline part of it, but from the Valentine part of it, there is a blow.

Speaker 1 And then Laurie does a thing that I thought was like, I mean, I'm still Team Laurie and I always will be, but again, so true to life where like you're on her side and you know she's in the right and Jacqueline's in the wrong, but then she starts to be so mean.

Speaker 1 She starts to be so mean. And like, that's what people do when they're hurt.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 We'll talk about Jacqueline in full, but the larger note around this is. Jacqueline is acting.
Jaclyn is boy as is Jaclyn acting.

Speaker 1 This is now, we talked a lot last episode about desire and identity and how they entwine. I'm sure that'll come up many times again today.

Speaker 1 This is now a three season long central preoccupation for Mike White, this idea of, as Ethan called it in the Ethan Cameron plot line, mimetic desire.

Speaker 1 With Olivia and Paula in season one, Paula was like, you're always going for the guy I want. Like, and then we saw it was true.
It wasn't hearsay. It wasn't bullshit.
Like Olivia tried to scoop Kai.

Speaker 1 And then when I remember the character name.

Speaker 1 Well, I'll always remember Kai's name because we have a Kai here. I was like, and Sidney Sweeney and that friend that stayed with them and then that hotel guy.
Oh, those mossbockers.

Speaker 1 But like, it was, it was made such active text with Ethan and Cameron. That was one of my favorite parts of season two when Ethan's like, of course you want to fuck my wife.

Speaker 1 You've always wanted everything that I have because I have higher status than you. And Cameron was like, you didn't have higher status than me in college.
Like you were like the original incel.

Speaker 1 And then Ethan's like, I have more money than you now. And Cameron is like stunned into silence.
Yeah. So this is yet again another, like, it's not just what do you desire on a core level.

Speaker 1 It's what do you covet that someone else has? What do you desire taking away from them? And why?

Speaker 1 And like the answer is because that's human nature, but it's even more heightened when these people have so much already. I just find that fascinating that that recurs.

Speaker 1 Well, we skipped over the part when Carrie Koon gets mad and says she's not changed at all. So psycho.
Demented. She calls it demented.
And then she says, we talked about this last episode. It's sad.

Speaker 1 She's an aging actress. You saw her.
She lives off male attention. It's one thing when you're 25, but now she's 45.
It's pathetic.

Speaker 1 It's tough. Words hurt.
It's tough. Damn.
It's tough. Damn.
And I would be so ready to be on Jacqueline's side, except Jacqueline is bigger than

Speaker 1 gaslight game. Can we cut to Jacqueline? She finally gets to hear from her younger husband.
Harrison, he's so horny for her.

Speaker 1 My phone wasn't working on the set. There's like 20,000 fucking plugs on the set.

Speaker 1 There couldn't be. There's chargers everywhere.
They're ripping chargers at you. He definitely wasn't fucking somebody else.
I'm not answering your calls for two days. So horny for you.

Speaker 1 Can I one one last shout out to Valentine's acting when he comes over and Laura's being pissy? He's been great. And he's and he's kind of like.
Oh, yeah, the tension. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, you know how to reach me. Yeah.
Like he's just trying to be

Speaker 1 off. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I need to go find Vlad. He's always a good time.

Speaker 1 Kate being like, he's been through so much. Right.
That's great.

Speaker 1 And then we get Saxon Wang waking up, hungover next to his bro. We get the flashback of Chelsea turning him down.
Yeah. You must have been so happy.
I was thrilled. You You were so proud of her.

Speaker 1 I was proud of her. Have you ever been prouder of a character on White Lotus than Chelsea being like, I'm good.
The bars in hell, but no, I'm not.

Speaker 1 Saxon makes out with

Speaker 1 Chloe.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Then Locky's just fucking Chloe. Yeah.
Going to town. There's Saxon lying next to him, jerking off.

Speaker 1 Seems fine. Seems fine.
Seems okay.

Speaker 1 Still not too scared yet. It's not great, but it's not great, but it's nothing crazy is happening.

Speaker 1 What? Let's interrogate that. Well, no, I mean, it's, but we knew this was, we knew we were headed at least to zoom in.
So if it had, in fact, just

Speaker 1 insanely weird, jerking off two inches away from his brother. Still insanely weird.
Furiously fucking Chloe, you'd be like, this is fine. It's not fine.

Speaker 1 Here's the crossing the line more than anything for me. It's the eye contact.
Look.

Speaker 1 Eye contact and touching is when it really goes

Speaker 1 sideways.

Speaker 1 The way they filmed the flashbacks was so great. Oh, then he goes to get the coffee and he's got the great fingers

Speaker 1 hangover.

Speaker 1 and he's kind of like what happened last night incredible impeccable impeccable he's doing that like ginger sort of like waddling yeah like i'm gonna like shit myself at any point you know he's that was amazing and like the locky's trunks are so tight on him he can barely move yeah yeah but then he has the flashback

Speaker 1 he wasn't jerking off his brother was jerking him off and right on cue locky's just walking up hey guy hey what's happening good morning yeah you blacked out we both did yeah we both did i don't remember what happened at all nothing happened Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then we get evocative. Thank you, Mike White.
Oh, my God. Foamy white waves and a dead puffer fish.
Dude, that was of all of the cuts to

Speaker 1 the natural element. That was really the foamy white waves and the dead puffer fish.

Speaker 1 So before we know what happens later, did you think Locky remembered the whole time or that he literally didn't remember?

Speaker 1 I believed him when he said he didn't.

Speaker 1 He was like, I don't remember what happened because Saxon was so palpably disturbed and Lockheed was just sort of like I'm like really hungover if I wasn't sure and if he did remember and was sort of like I don't remember what happened last night at all I was prepared to be like this is the scariest person who's ever been in a white lotus but when it all comes flooding back to him later I was like okay then he genuinely yeah so we find out that he genuinely did yeah um yeah because like he's like see you later dude and be like wait what yeah

Speaker 1 and then Saxon throws up and I'd like to present a pet peeve to both of you because there's a lot of throw-up scenes in prestige TV. Sure.
Okay.

Speaker 1 I'm never satisfied with the amount of throwing up. Okay.
I really feel like

Speaker 1 if we're going to do this, guys, let's have some throw-up. Okay.
Do you want them to go? I just feel like he's doing a full boot.

Speaker 1 It's like disgusting. Does it have to be CGI with this or something?

Speaker 1 CGI or let's. I actually think it's, but don't you, like, if he's just spitting up like a little baby.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 When you last went to the full moon party and woke up the next morning

Speaker 1 and flashes of your prior night returned to you.

Speaker 1 How many heaves were there?

Speaker 1 I think it's worse when you're throwing up and there's nothing there. Sure, yeah.
That's like, that's rock bottom. That's a toe curl.

Speaker 1 Just you're throwing up Cheetos from four in the morning from the mini bar and all kinds of gross shit. It is.
I think when you reach the bottom and it's just bile,

Speaker 1 that's the worst. Well, so we had that.

Speaker 1 Welcome back to Prestige Street, Bob. It's great to be here with you.
It's delightful. We get Belinda and Zion.

Speaker 1 Great stuff.

Speaker 1 They go to breakfast. First you get the money, then you get the power, then you get the woman.
Little scarface quote. And then Fabian tells him he's going to

Speaker 1 sing. What do we think of this?

Speaker 1 Fabian practicing his singing on his little golf cart. Charming driving around the property.
And yet, what I love is he walks up. He's like, you feeling better? She's like, no.
No. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I still think I'm going to be murdered. I love that.
Fucker. I love Fabian because he is the exact kind of character I want to root for.

Speaker 1 And then there's just this like nasty side to him that we saw last week where I'm like, I can't root for his little singing performance.

Speaker 1 If you you like your job and your exchange program, don't call the police on our yes.

Speaker 1 You'll probably be

Speaker 1 fine. I have a feeling you'll be fine.
I didn't sense any sinister motives. Do you guys think that Zion has time with two episodes remaining to get laid?

Speaker 1 Because he was really lamenting that he wasn't getting laid. And who's he getting laid back? Well, exactly.
They're all heading to a party. I mean, if I were Belinda, I would not go.
No, but Chloe,

Speaker 1 that would be

Speaker 1 Chelsea. Not Chelsea.
But with Zion.

Speaker 1 My wife and daughter are both in the Zion's Gay and hasn't told his mom camp. Oh, interesting.
Interesting. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Nothing. Vibes only.
Just vibes only. Vibes only.

Speaker 1 Oh, man. I need, if Rick expects Chelsea to remain loyal emotionally and sexually, I need him to stop telling her how fucking annoying she is.
He needs to earn her love.

Speaker 1 And he also needs to stop saying love you instead of I love you. But the I in front of it is different.
Listen, Chelsea believes in true love. Yeah.
Soulmates.

Speaker 1 Hot Tooth Lady is here to teach us about what it really means to connect with those humans. Here's no more cheap set.
Here's the most important thing about Chelsea. She loves the Libra Rising.

Speaker 1 Great stuff. Right.
You know, great stuff. I still don't know what it means, but I do love her commitment.

Speaker 1 If we talk about most upset, if anybody in this show this season gets shot. If Chelsea dies on the show.
Chelsea is so far above everyone else on this show for I'd be upset. We have grown incredibly.

Speaker 1 I really like she's gotten to the point where I'm like, bring her back next year.

Speaker 1 Rick dies at the end of season three.

Speaker 1 Chelsea is

Speaker 1 a strew line instead of right Gary. Let's go.
We don't deserve that.

Speaker 1 We don't deserve that. I feel like there's a lot of Chelsea dating again after Rick's tragic death.
I'm ready for anything, assuming Rick does. You think Rick is going to die?

Speaker 1 I'm rooting for Ricky. I think it's going to go away.
I think Rick and Chelsea are going to make it. Happily ever after.
Yeah. Rick and Chelsea together.
Freed of the.

Speaker 1 but if god

Speaker 1 also wants to come back next season i would not say no

Speaker 1 that would be great gary greg greg gary gary greg i was excited to talk about the intest but i'm not gonna lie the single number one like most anticipated talking point for me today is your thoughts on this house oh

Speaker 1 You love a bit of real estate in a movie around the lap pool. This was a stealthy

Speaker 1 view from the deck. Dobbins needs to come.

Speaker 1 Dobbins needs to come in for the final verdict, but this has to be one of the jaw-dropping houses we've had on a TV show.

Speaker 1 If they give us a kitchen, if they give us the kitchen, we definitely need to have Amanda in here. The giant pool.
Stunning.

Speaker 1 It's unclear how close it is to the hotel, but seems close enough that he can just wander down and get a margarita. Yeah.
It sounds great. Unbelievable.
They've got when you have staff. Yeah.

Speaker 1 The egg is waiting for you when you get out of your lap.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That he had.
Yeah. When you go on the lamb,

Speaker 1 is this where you'll hide?

Speaker 1 It's certainly in the discussion now. I do think there would be a lot of staff at all times.
I don't think it would ever be Greg Gary swimming by himself.

Speaker 1 I think there would be like five people walking around constantly picking up like fruit that's fallen and gardener. I think there'd be a lot of people.

Speaker 1 He has always buttering his own toast, but then that did lead to him. He got to very like menacingly butter the toast so that we felt very afraid.
I am terrified of him. He's

Speaker 1 really scary. This guy is a great actor.
Yeah. This is like just a career-long that guy who's bounced around and he's like awesome awesome in this.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 When he says, when he says liar to her, when he says liar to her, that was horrible. It was so scary.
And also I'm like, this guy knows.

Speaker 1 He always knows when people are lying. He is so scary.
Yeah, it's really hard. I think a part like this where you have very little to play with and a lot of it is vibes and

Speaker 1 intensity and being menacing or being like, what's this guy thinking? He's just really good at it. I still don't know what, like, he's going to kill Belinda in episode seven.
Is he going to try to?

Speaker 1 Like, I'm like, everything's on the table.

Speaker 1 I am going to cite another interview. I didn't realize how many I was reading.
That he was like,

Speaker 1 what John Grees said is that he wasn't always thinking of Greg Gary this way. But when they started filming season three, he went to Mike White and he was like, psychopath? And he's like, psychopath.

Speaker 1 And he's like, okay,

Speaker 1 here we go.

Speaker 1 Psychopath. Had he been previously thinking of him as someone who would have taken the name Mitchell instead of just Gary?

Speaker 1 Brian, literally any other letter. It could have been anything.
Well, first, she tells Chelsea about the night before, which I loved. I thought that was really fun.
No, I know.

Speaker 1 No, I hooked up with both of them. Oh, that was so funny.
Chelsea's like, what? The little pause between no, and I hooked up with both of them was just great. A couple of telling lines here.

Speaker 1 Gary's going to dump me, comma, or worse. Yeah.
Yep. What does that mean? Well, she feels like she knows that he killed her.
She knows he's like a murderer. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, this is not the first time that she has expressed genuine fear that he would kill her if she do you think it's a one murder or it's like this guy

Speaker 1 multiple murders

Speaker 1 Tanya or got or had Tanya killed

Speaker 1 um but she's like but this is a good situation I know I complain a lot

Speaker 1 but this is a good situation

Speaker 1 I enjoy too when she spotted the the deck hands and was like I need to buy their silence yeah but like I'm gonna wrap me out I love that surely they did well I don't think they did I think he just knows but she doesn't even need to break it he had cameras somewhere yeah oh yeah yeah yeah oh well if you have as much money as Greg Gary, you're putting cameras in all the bedrooms in the yacht.

Speaker 1 Yeah, take the yacht out.

Speaker 1 I'll be on my little computer watching it tonight. Gross.

Speaker 1 So, um, oh, God. So he sees Gary.
She sees Gary swimming. Yep.

Speaker 1 You fucked one of those brothers.

Speaker 1 Just tell me what you did.

Speaker 1 Tell me which one you fucked. Tell me you did it.
Tell me. Tell me you did it to your shit.

Speaker 1 Honestly, this is just now you're just preaching right to Mal. This is like her kind of content right here.

Speaker 1 Tell me what you did. This is like right around

Speaker 1 the affair season two. Yeah.
Well, when won't we get the alternate perspective? You know,

Speaker 1 the exact same

Speaker 1 time. Can you imagine? Oh my God, what a thrill that would be.
It's a lot of lab swimming. How does this invitation sound for you? Bring them over tonight.

Speaker 1 I want to have people over.

Speaker 1 I need to deal with something and I need your help. It sounds fine.
It sounds great. We're going to do just a movie and dinner.

Speaker 1 Couples that murder together stay together. I need you to help me murder Melinda.
So that's the question, right? Is like, what level of candor and transparency will he have with Chloe?

Speaker 1 How, if he's saying, I need your help, is it just to bring people there and pretend it's like a bad thing? It feels like an I'm going to kill you if you don't help me kill this person.

Speaker 1 No, but how involved is she? Yeah, it's like, what does he get in bodies? Yeah. And also like distract people.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But not please slip this. poison into someone's drink.
Tell Saxon before he comes over to grab some of the poison seed pods from his deck. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Listen, poison fruit is off the board now in Vegas. Oh, I think there's time.

Speaker 1 No, I'm saying it's. Oh, because it's so poison fruit.

Speaker 1 Somebody's dying. We got yet another smoothie.

Speaker 1 There's like

Speaker 1 Saxon killing Locky. Just feels very likely to me.
Him making him a little blender shake and not realizing the fruit.

Speaker 1 Tim goes for the gun. The gun is gone.

Speaker 1 So he eats.

Speaker 1 So many different things could still happen. The fruits in play.
Well,

Speaker 1 with asking Chloe to bring Saxon,

Speaker 1 and now saxon has invited tim so it feels like tim is maybe gonna actually say to gary like

Speaker 1 how do i hide right i'm not seeking

Speaker 1 i'm hiding but do you think that's where he is after his like enlightenment at the monastery The fact that I think he had his enlightenment and then he got pulled back under by Vicki saying, I can't live that way.

Speaker 1 I can't live that way. So he, that's kind of the seesaw that he's on for another episode until his ultimate decision.
But I wonder if he will actually actively approach Gary.

Speaker 1 The other thing is, like, is part of the Saxon play here, not just I'm going to kill you because you fucked Chloe, but like,

Speaker 1 I'm going to use you in some way. Like, will he kill her, Melinda? You really want, and you, this, you were talking about this last week.

Speaker 1 You really want mastermind, Greg Gary, not blunt force, Greg Gary. You want him, he's got Zion under his control, he's got Saxon under because that's what you want.
Maybe Fabian, Fabian.

Speaker 1 Promise him a record deal. It's easy.
I'll fund your first jazz.

Speaker 1 I mean, he could get him. He could do Puppet Master Fabian without much effort.

Speaker 1 But yeah, I like the idea, I think, because of the level of the plot to get Tanya's money of him having to work harder than that now to cover his trash. But on the other hand, it was just sort of like

Speaker 1 her to the opera. I just want you both to know that.
I know I complain about him a lot, but this is a good situation is my worst case scenario for my second wife. Oh.

Speaker 1 I just said this to make Mal mad. Mal, this is where you say you're only going to have one wife.
And this is where I agree with you because I'm only getting married once. She's forever.

Speaker 1 Whereas for my second marriage.

Speaker 1 Male's mad. I was on her corner.
That's my joke.

Speaker 1 Maybe they'll say that about you, your second husband. It's entirely possible.
It's entirely possible.

Speaker 1 I know I complain about her a lot, but it's a good situation.

Speaker 1 We have the Ratliff Boys returning home from the yacht. This was just

Speaker 1 so

Speaker 1 there's a missing scene where it's just like, what was that cab ride like? Oh my gosh. Just dead silence and somebody put in their hands.

Speaker 1 Yeah, silent. Vicki tells the boys about Piper like they care.
This was absolutely hysterical. This is incredible.
I loved every second of this.

Speaker 1 How did you feel about Piper reducing the hedge fund industry to gambling with other people's monies? That's not wasting your life. That's meaningful sarcasm.

Speaker 1 I don't think that Tim would have appreciated that if he had been in the room for it. Yeah, I did.
I do think it all led to Saxon saying name one Buddhism for dipshits, which

Speaker 1 just

Speaker 1 historic stuff yet again from our guy, Saxon Red. I think Piper's Zing was a little harder.
The blender's just going hard. The blender is just getting louder each episode.

Speaker 1 Something I want to say about the blender,

Speaker 1 apparently you should, the water is not potable. And so we do see him.
Oh, that's like a diarrhea machine? Yeah.

Speaker 1 So we do, well, we do see him put Fiji water in the machine with his like banana and his, no free ads ads for Fiji water, but it's definitely Fiji water and his protein powder.

Speaker 1 But like elsewhere, like Tim Ratliff needs to close his mouth when he takes his outdoor showers. Like this is

Speaker 1 interesting. Potable water.
Though I don't know if at the White Lotus they filter everything,

Speaker 1 even the shower water. I have no idea.
Or Tim Ratliff's like drinking the water during the showers. Like they eat as much bacteria as I can get.
Maybe it'll kill me.

Speaker 1 He better be the best Buddhist in China. I love that line too.

Speaker 1 Remarkable stuff from you. She was,

Speaker 1 she's really figured out the character.

Speaker 1 Great. It's going to be interesting to see come any time.

Speaker 1 Almost everyone.

Speaker 1 Almost everyone is worthy of it.

Speaker 1 Chelsea's got to be in the mix, too. But they can put her in supporting, even though she's not.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because she's a younger, newer actress, and you can kind of get away with that.

Speaker 1 Interesting. You could put...
Talk about a word for our

Speaker 1 Goggins and Isaacs are going head to head, and that's tough.

Speaker 1 It's Isaacs, though, isn't it? Noah Wiley. I don't know from the pit.
I'll take your arm for it. We need to see what happens.

Speaker 1 From Severance. Wow.
I don't know if Goggins is sad as episode yet, and it feels like episode seven is going to be the one. I agree.
I'm waiting.

Speaker 1 Here's, I mean, I agree that Carrie Kuhn has been activated, but I still think we have like

Speaker 1 another big thing coming from Carrie Kuhn. Oh, yeah.
And another big thing coming from Walton Goggins, especially like the way this episode ends. The showdown with Holland.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I like have chills thinking about it. Right.
And if that goes as hard as Goggins is capable of going, then, but I still think it might be Noah Wiley from the pit. Guys, the pit rules.

Speaker 1 I haven't seen a second of the pit. Well, that's not true.
I've seen. I saw 20 minutes of it.
120 seconds because I've seen a couple.

Speaker 1 As I've told Joanna, I've been served Instagram reels of somebody shitting in a pan. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And somebody with like a sunken face. Are you sure that wasn't Megan Markle?

Speaker 1 Are you talking about the pasta dish?

Speaker 1 Are you auditioning for jam session right now? I was going to get a bigger laugh for that one.

Speaker 1 No, my wife and daughter have said that TikTok and Instagram reels are now being dominated with people making fun of this Vega Markle show. Correct.
Is that all the thing?

Speaker 1 That's like the biggest thing right now. Yeah.
Yeah. No.

Speaker 1 Which then provoked my wife into watching multiple episodes of it.

Speaker 1 And she was transfixed. No such thing as bad publicity.
She said, there you go. She said, this is a full-fledged hate watch.
Don't get me wrong. I can't believe the show exists.
Consumed.

Speaker 1 She doesn't know how to do anything and just brings friends in to help her make stuff was the scattering report from my show?

Speaker 1 That's awesome. Everything I know about the show I learned from Amanda Dobbins.
Okay.

Speaker 1 When we run out of white lotus, talk about, or when people are looking for something, you can either hate watch the Megan Markle show. Yes.
Or just love watch the pit. Or love watch the pit.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, I'm just happy for our pal Juliet.

Speaker 1 I'm the same. She's been through so much the last 30 years with Noah Wiley.
The biggest ER fan in the world.

Speaker 1 Having the most stock in him and the most stock in ER shows in general. And then just to watch him blossom like this.

Speaker 1 rick

Speaker 1 goes to see sitala

Speaker 1 i was working on that you crushed it

Speaker 1 actually yeah um mal and i were talking about this before we started recording yeah let's get his take

Speaker 1 we're a little disappointed in rick

Speaker 1 he did not google one of her movies for this con yeah

Speaker 1 sloppy con john remember three three names come on sloppy well she knows she he's full of shit right

Speaker 1 i don't think so and i guess that's part of being a good con man is picking your mark wisely. So if she is a vulnerable enough target, I mean, he gets, he makes his way into the house.

Speaker 1 So the con worked, ultimately, he's going to get to face down Jim Hollinger, probably his father. But like, this is shoddy con work.
One film title. Google it.
And his face came

Speaker 1 away. Yeah.

Speaker 1 She knows who he is, and the husband's his dad, and they've been waiting for this to happen, and they're ready. Sitala is, she knows.
Sitala is playing chess and Rick's playing checkers.

Speaker 1 She does.

Speaker 1 Just a theory.

Speaker 1 I'm not all in on that, but she does seem to have like

Speaker 1 extra layers to her. You know? I think she is way too savvy and accomplished over the years to just be completely snookered by dumbass Rick.

Speaker 1 Who's like, yeah, I got a director and I can't remember any of your movies, but you're a great actress.

Speaker 1 He's so full of shit. I don't know.
I think even that, though, is just on theme for the show. It's like yet another person who's like, oh, you're telling me I'm great.

Speaker 1 You're telling me somebody else thinks I'm great. And the first time we meet her, she's susceptible to that.
Primping in a mirror. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And like is all over Jacqueline and talking about her career as an actress. So like vanity is a huge vulnerability for her.
I agree.

Speaker 1 But I wouldn't, I don't know that she knows everything, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's some little spark to her. Do you know what I mean? Beyond just like an easy mark.

Speaker 1 I'm prepared for this to go in any direction. Interesting.
We do, we and Rick, our eyes are drawn more than than once at the restaurant, billion dollar tuna business. The seafood here is great.

Speaker 1 And heading up into the home, the Hollander bodyguards of the original MOOC guy talk debate. They're there.
Their holsters are full. They're strapped.
They're strapped. Get used to it.

Speaker 1 Troubling. It's troubling.

Speaker 1 I mean, we got to get all these guns back to the White Lotus, right? Are they going to chase Rick back? Do you know who I'm actually kind of worried about for?

Speaker 1 Frank. Frank.
Sweet Frank, who's like just trying to sucked back into a life of crime. It's like one last job for Frank, is it not? And that's never a good thing.
Terrible.

Speaker 1 Well, he's had sex with everyone in Thailand, so there's not a lot of places to go at this point. Well, you can only go on there.
Just basically maybe work at a coffee shop. Right to the grave.

Speaker 1 Of all the fits on the show, I think the white suit on Goggins at the end when they're coming in on sensational stuff. And then Frank puts on his director costume, which is a great cap.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, not to get ahead of ourselves because it's the end, but I really like the boat ride. The boat ride was cool where the house was.

Speaker 1 I really thought that was a fun, like 30 seconds. Yeah, it's great.
Nice. Nice shot of the two guys together.
Good wide shot.

Speaker 1 I was thinking, like, it just got my brain thinking, like, all right, you live in this house as the only way in and out boats?

Speaker 1 Like, is it like being in?

Speaker 1 That's a good question.

Speaker 1 I was just really intrigued by it. I would have Google earthed it right away if they had the address.
I hadn't thought about that. If Rick needs to get out of there, quickly.

Speaker 1 Oh, shit. Well, I don't, this now now I'm even more worried and troubled than I already was.
I like Rick telling Frank, like, I won't even bring the gun then. I won't even bring the gun.
And then in

Speaker 1 the linen suit, it's very easy to spot the gun in the pocket. No, shit, he's bringing the gun.
Oh, Rick.

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Speaker 1 How does the Baltimore accent versus the North Carolina accent,

Speaker 1 what are the tweaks and pulls each way? Well, I was just going to say that to me sounded much more going down to the ocean hunt Baltimoreans than Carolinians, the diphthong and the

Speaker 1 but I welcome it. Okay.
Sprinkle a little bay in your LaCroix.

Speaker 1 Piper.

Speaker 1 Piper brings her family to the Buddhist place.

Speaker 1 She's the main ball guy.

Speaker 1 Been feeling a little lost. The thing is, Bill, we need you to say things like main ball guy.
Head monk.

Speaker 1 No, we need you to say like hot tooth lady and whatever because there are people listening at home who don't write down people. Yeah, you are.
We need you on that wall.

Speaker 1 The things my family cares about, I just don't care about.

Speaker 1 That's an emotional scene for Piper. Again, I was really surprised that that actress had said like a previous episode was her favorite episode.
I thought this was the best.

Speaker 1 Easily the best acting she did. Yeah.
Like, really high level. That was really, really good.
I loved it.

Speaker 1 I mean, the monk was also incredible. Like, yeah, he was fantastic.
A great scene partner for both of them. Yeah.
He says, bring in your parents. I can answer their questions.
Yeah. Great.
Yep.

Speaker 1 And then as this is happening, Guy Talk is breaking into the rat lifts. Trying to find a gun.
Not great.

Speaker 1 Now we're back with Tim and Head Bald Guy. This is bald guy number one.

Speaker 1 Spiritual malaise. Yep.
It's incredible. Lost connection.
With nature, with family, with the spirit. What is left? The self.

Speaker 1 Now it's like postmates,

Speaker 1 streaming, fantasy baseball. My cat.
The Ravens.

Speaker 1 Cats. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 He, yeah, he brings up self and identity, which, of course, we've been talking about like since the beginning, chasing money, pleasure. Everyone runs from pain towards pleasure.

Speaker 1 When they get there, they only find only to find more pain. You cannot outrun pain, which is just like white lotus.
Exactly. That's the show.
I gotta say, I wrote it down and I thought it was great.

Speaker 1 I was like, this is really good stuff. Yeah, who are we? Cannot outrun the pain.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 What decisions do you make in the face of that? Who are you when you try to strip away your desires?

Speaker 1 This will be

Speaker 1 certainly familiar to many people. There are many Buddhists in the world.
And then to many other people who are not, I think it will be familiar to a lot of Star Wars viewers, right?

Speaker 1 This philosophy and the way that it's made its way into the

Speaker 1 Star Wars canon. This is just Buddhism.

Speaker 1 Is Star Wars Buddhist?

Speaker 1 Pretty much. Yeah, there is a lot of influence there.
So I think people. I'm going to rewatch that.

Speaker 1 What happens when we die?

Speaker 1 And then do a podcast about it on a

Speaker 1 moved right past that. Do you want to come on House of R and talk about Star Wars? Standing on the street.

Speaker 1 Can we talk about how you're just a single drop of water and you shoot up and then you come back down in the ocean? And how death is a happy return? Like, coming up.

Speaker 1 Did you like the visual that went with it?

Speaker 1 I actually, I didn't want to like it, but I liked it. Yeah, I liked it too.
It was like almost jackhandy SNL. And then it like really worked.
Yeah, yeah. And then they started like, then it works.

Speaker 1 Brought it back. It worked.

Speaker 1 Also, the cut from like the Chelsea calling Saxon soulless right into this whole stretch at the monastery and just thinking back to Saxon as the like when Lockhey asked him earlier, what do I want?

Speaker 1 Like the pussy, money, freedom, respect right into like, well, okay, what are we actually talking about here? The whole editing

Speaker 1 sequence in that story is really wonderful. I think that's the end me scene for Jason Isaacs, too.
His famous so far. We don't know.
There's two episodes left. So good.

Speaker 1 Meanwhile, Guy Talk found the right drawer. Just first 30 drugs.

Speaker 1 I actually rewound that several times to see if the handle was like

Speaker 1 that drawer.

Speaker 1 It's just his day, finally.

Speaker 1 Seeing me against the world, Mallory. It's like surely it was slightly ajar, right? Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then Vicki's going nuts about Piper. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Wants her to stay there one night. It's green.
She's mad at Tim. But I love this.

Speaker 1 I think, I feel like this is where it's leading for Piper to be like, I don't want to stay here. I was going to ask you for, yeah, where are you on this after this episode?

Speaker 1 I think Vicki's going to be right. And that Piper's not going to want to stay there.
Oh, so you're predicting the last second Didario season one flip?

Speaker 1 Or she just kind of buys it to the light. We all just like come back, you know? I think Vicki's like, yeah, you think you're so different from us, but you like your creature comforts.

Speaker 1 You don't know, you know, I have to be proven wrong. Like what you were saying last week about the fact that we only have two seasons of evidence to go off small sample size.

Speaker 1 Yeah, great sports theory.

Speaker 1 And that Mike White could zag and give us something completely different. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But I'm a little worried that Vicki, I feel like Vicki has to have a wit, has to be right about something. And this feels like something she could be right about.
She did.

Speaker 1 I mean, she still was like kind of panicked when they got back to the villa and she was talking to Tim about it because the way he came out and he was like, I liked him.

Speaker 1 That might have been my favorite Tim line of the season. Seemed legitimate.

Speaker 1 But Vicki calling Piper's bluff, or what she thinks is her bluff, and like banking on her not truly being ready to leave a life of luxury behind.

Speaker 1 I think it's entirely possible that she's proven right. But the since the thing we loved about that Piper scene,

Speaker 1 the sincerity, like, I don't know, I think that it would be really powerful if like this family that basically didn't bother to get to know their own kid was wrong. And she actually made that choice.

Speaker 1 I think the other thing that's interesting is I had a moment where I was like, is Locky going to be the one who stays?

Speaker 1 Because he feels like he needs

Speaker 1 not, but

Speaker 1 there's not enough monastery. There's not enough monastery in the world to help Locky to help.

Speaker 1 I know. Flashbacks that Locky's going to get.
I know. But then I swung right back out of that because I considered it for a minute, but then I'm like, I don't know.

Speaker 1 We think back to the corrective posture session and he is not he abject horror on his face when he confronted what he had done and i don't think that he has been presented to us as a character who is uh embracing that kind of self-assessment can i just say that like you're never coming back from jerking off your brother incest jaunt in thailand

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 he could hang out with Frank one night. Maybe, maybe that's Locky's destiny.
I just think like, yeah, forever. There's no going back.
There's no going back from this. You are forever.

Speaker 1 And like, there's so, there's such a like rich history of southern gothic literature where, you know, of like Faulkner or Tennessee Williams or whatever, where there's a, there's a memory, an incident, an incestuous incident in the past.

Speaker 1 And here we are, like, front row tickets to it actually happening live. But this is forever going to be part of their family.
Yeah. The brothers.
One, one night.

Speaker 1 One night in Thailand. When Piper tells Vicki, like, you just have to accept this.
It's not, and then accept it's not the worst thing in the world. It's like, well, I got news for you.

Speaker 1 Uh, wait till she finds out that her husband has been embroiled in scandal and her sons are jerking each other off. Like, it's actually not the worst thing in the world.

Speaker 1 And Cooper Flag got hurt.

Speaker 1 And Cooper Flagger, Duke joke. But Vicki would be celebrating

Speaker 1 because she's Chapel Hill. Oh, that's true.
You're right.

Speaker 1 She's fired up. No one tells Tim.
Don't let Tim get his phone. No.
No. It'll be the last story.
By the way, I have loved these last couple episodes. Not enough, Pam.
The phone made me think.

Speaker 1 not enough. Where is Pam? Where is Pam? Yeah.
I agree.

Speaker 1 Maybe it was only a three-episode contract.

Speaker 1 I'm convinced Mike White was writing at least some of these lines or scenes after they started filming because there's no way he didn't hear Parker Posey for like three episodes.

Speaker 1 And then he had to write, what's next, shaving her head and banging a bongo in Times Square.

Speaker 1 Like he had to have been like, I got to just have her say the word bongo. So I don't know what words are left for us in the last two episodes, but it's going to be stuff like bongo.

Speaker 1 That was remarkable. Things, two, three-syllable things where she can go high, low.
Yeah, less amazing on the accent front, but I don't want her thinking she'll be just fine if she's poor.

Speaker 1 She needs to fear poverty. Fear poverty.
Just like everyone else we know.

Speaker 1 Remarkable line from Vicki. She says, If we lost everything,

Speaker 1 honestly, I'm not sure I'd want to live. I don't have the will.
I don't have it in me. Tim's face.
Tough. When I heard this.

Speaker 1 Do you watch watch with subtitles on i do actually so you and i know you do i do sec second screening i do the subtitles to make sure i get all that so you were both treated to as i was uh as tim is just in his haze confronting this

Speaker 1 vicky smelling her scent and saying i like my scents grass tuberos

Speaker 1 yeah

Speaker 1 She needs to like live in her little shell of something. And if she doesn't have her larazapam, at least she can have like a little scent bubble for herself.
So funny.

Speaker 1 I guess I'm a little behind on the outline because we didn't talk about Saxon hanging out with Chelsea at the pool yet. I don't understand why you wouldn't hook up with me.
Incredible scene.

Speaker 1 You're soulless. Yeah.
That's something you... Is he in his 30s yet?

Speaker 1 I think he's only in his 20s.

Speaker 1 That's something you say in your 20s, and that's really the only decade you would say that in.

Speaker 1 You have enough confidence in yourself, and you've been around enough women where you would just say something like that. But he looks like such a, like, so young and such a shell of himself.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 When she like tears him down and like comparing that to him being the apex predator in the pool, scoping it all out and how far down he's come from there.

Speaker 1 I was really struck by his physical presentation of the whole episode, but this poolside stretch actually in particular, like.

Speaker 1 Let me be clear. Sunscreen is cool.
Bug spray is cool. It's all good.
Yeah. You should use it.
But the noxious cloud. When he's kind of like, no, he's no longer longer Mr.
Hip, Mr. Cool, Mr.

Speaker 1 I have it all. He's like a tourist.
When he gathers all his stuff, when he gathers all his stuff up, he's just like, yeah,

Speaker 1 shuffles home. He's really going through it.
Finds out he's soulless. Yeah.
Well,

Speaker 1 that was mean. I like Chelsea a lot, but that was too much.

Speaker 1 I think she said it kind of timely.

Speaker 1 She didn't say it. She's soulless.
It wasn't intentionally mean. It was like, you can do better.
She's like, right now you don't have a soul. Yeah, but work on it.

Speaker 1 It did make me think on that front to like, obviously it was all part of the urgent need to get the phones out of their hands.

Speaker 1 But Tim in episode three saying to Saxon, like, well, if we put these away, we'll, we'll, we'll have more to offer. Like, let's train ourselves to have more to offer.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and is there any hope for Saxon still

Speaker 1 on the character on an arc front that he could embrace that? That he could just decide he wants to be a character who has more to offer. Uh, in a in a show that's not White Lotus, sure, yeah, my guys,

Speaker 1 my

Speaker 1 guys,

Speaker 1 your destiny is your destiny on White Lotus. Chloe shows up.
He knows about you. That's a starter.
Yeah. Doesn't seem that mad.
Doesn't care. Seem kind of turned on.
Incredible stuff here.

Speaker 1 And then Saxon does the threesome with another guy.

Speaker 1 What part was the joke? And then he finds out that she remembers. I didn't force him to jerk you off.
Tough one.

Speaker 1 Tough one. I don't remember that.
I blacked out. Well, I didn't.
God, I don't think there's a drug in the world that could make me get with my brother. Incredible chiller.
Hey, I don't judge.

Speaker 1 Whole Thanksgiving. Everyone does their thing.
It's not a thing. It's not a thing.
It's fine.

Speaker 1 Chloe,

Speaker 1 who I just found out in the last couple of hours, is Simon LeBond's daughter. Oh.

Speaker 1 From Duran Duran. What? Wow.

Speaker 1 Did not know that. Chris Ryan, a.k.c.
R, passed that one along to me. And apparently she does some music, too.

Speaker 1 She's got a confidence to her for somebody that's that's cruelly been on stage. I think she's gotten really good as the season's going along.

Speaker 1 So Simon LeBond's daughter talking to Arnold Schwarzenegger's son. Great stuff.
Great stuff. I would have loved this in the 80s.
After fucking Ellie and

Speaker 1 Lindbola's son. Everyone has their thing.
It's fine. It's their birthday.

Speaker 1 That was so. That was great.
I loved all that. We get Rick and Frank meeting.
We get the fancies at the pool, I guess, is the last thing we want to talk about.

Speaker 1 One person's fake is another person's good manners. That was a great line from Kate.

Speaker 1 And it's just on with Carrie Coon and

Speaker 1 Jacqueline. Oh, man.
Michelle Monaghan. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Where does this go?

Speaker 1 I mean, I think they're going to the fights. Yeah.
I think everyone's going. Like, no.

Speaker 1 Half the people are going to Greg Gary's and half the people are going to the fight. Yeah.
Right. And I guess.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I guess we have some people. Guy talks about Mook.
Yeah. Guy talks about going to the fight with Mook.
Yeah. The Russians in.
And he'll see the Robbers. And the Coogs are going.
Yep.

Speaker 1 yeah, and then the ratliffs are going to great garrison

Speaker 1 and Belinda and Zion are going to

Speaker 1 be confronting his long-lost father. Yeah, it's a long time.
That's like a great episode. And Fabian's going to sing.
Who will be there to watch?

Speaker 1 That's what he deserves. Sad.
That's what he deserves a completely empty restaurant when he's going to make his debut. Believe what.
Oh, that is sad.

Speaker 1 I loved shut up, Kate, have a drink for fuck's sake. Oh, my God.
Great stuff. Kate,

Speaker 1 Kate's wearing out her welcome.

Speaker 1 I mean, they all are with you. Well, Kate's just trying to make nice and trying to keep everything calm and smooth it over.
But she's a complete phony. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Kate told me, came out of your room this morning. We're just the same people we were in the 10th grade.
This is what you always did.

Speaker 1 Can't even imagine the history of these three. I believe it.
I believe there's never been a guy that Lori didn't say she had a crush on that Jacqueline didn't go for.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then later, Jackie to Kate.

Speaker 1 You know how much gossip I have to deal with. My own friends are talking shit about me behind my back.
She's literally talked the most shit this whole season of the other two.

Speaker 1 Also, settle down, Jacqueline.

Speaker 1 True. She did it.
Like, did she do that?

Speaker 1 Why did she? Why do you think she lied and said she didn't do it? She's so used to like acting and appearances and needing to have this perfect relationship with Harrison.

Speaker 1 That's very important for her identity. And I just really wish she had just been like, I was feeling so insecure.

Speaker 1 I couldn't get a hold of Harrison. I did this thing.
And oh no, now he's called me and I feel like shit about it. But that's why these are not real friends.
No.

Speaker 1 They're not having actual real conversations with one another.

Speaker 1 No. Does Jacqueline, who needs to go to the monastery next? Oh, man.
I mean, I think every single character on the show would benefit from the chat that they had. That's for sure.

Speaker 1 Well, we get Locky and Piper meditating. Locky remembers his jerk off.
Just astonishing. Kind of talking at the gun range, might not have the killer instinct.

Speaker 1 And then Greg Gary runs into Belinda and invites her to dinner. Do you think that,

Speaker 1 and do you think the gun range, we talked about this a little bit, but hearing the gun at the gun range, is there any way in which the gun range shooting has anything to do with the shooting in the final episode?

Speaker 1 No, it sounds different. Okay.
And then also,

Speaker 1 Tim having this very like death is a return home.

Speaker 1 Is there a version of the story where Tim dies and we feel like kind of like he feels kind of okay with it, and we feel kind of okay about it.

Speaker 1 I don't want him to die, but if he's the character who has like had the lesson that death is not the end of the world,

Speaker 1 death is but the next great adventure. I liked your theory about uh interpool, no, that it actually at the end it works out, and he's not broke.
Yeah, I like that too. I do like that too.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm just wondering, like looks pam shows up, gives him his phone back. Chuck is checked in, and he's like, actually,

Speaker 1 you're ready. Kenny

Speaker 1 just killed himself, The case has fallen apart. I just don't know if this is like a comedy death, like the last two have been comedy deaths.

Speaker 1 I shit in your suitcase, and then you stabbed me with the knife meant to cut the pineapple in the room you insisted on having.

Speaker 1 Shoot out on the yacht, and then I fall because I cannot dismount because I can't dismount, hit my head, and drown. That is so different tonally, yeah.

Speaker 1 But that's the monkey. Pop Fabian's the only one that I could that I would like find hilarious, maybe.
But where would toxic fruit blender drink rank?

Speaker 1 I mean, it would have to be like an accident, I guess, or ingested by the wrong person.

Speaker 1 I just think going back to that first episode when some of the clues they dropped, that when we noted all of them,

Speaker 1 and two-thirds of them now have come to fruition. So you think it's no pun intended.
It's the fruit.

Speaker 1 I'm just waiting for the fruit to make a reappearance and the fucking blender just getting louder. The blender's getting louder and more prominent each episode.
Yeah. Just focused on it.

Speaker 1 Last house, top of the hill, come anytime. Yeah.
What an invite from Greg. Seems fine.

Speaker 1 You may remember me because I killed that lady who was going to fund your stuff tonight, eight o'clock. What do you think? And then

Speaker 1 she's going to go, but I don't know how we get her there. We get a dream sequence of Tim's murder, suicide, and then we get the Bangkok boat red with Rick and Frank and Rick going into the house.

Speaker 1 doing the Rick face. Rick's had a couple, couple faces.
We saw Scott Glenn come down the stairs. We heard a couple of waiting words from Scott Glenn.
I'm like, all right, we're stick.

Speaker 1 I didn't even really see Scott Glenn, though. You could just see a figure emerging from the stairs and like the look on Rick's face.
We know Rick saw him, which is what matters.

Speaker 1 But so on that Belinda point, like

Speaker 1 it's implied that she will have told Zion everything, right? Between episodes. Given the way that, well, yeah.
And Zion probably does, though. We got to go.
We got to confront this guy.

Speaker 1 I'll talk to him.

Speaker 1 That's, I think Zion's going to try to be like, yeah, and especially because when the shootout happened at the beginning of the first episode, he was so worried worried about his mom.

Speaker 1 He clearly is going to be in possession of the facts by then. Okay.
Does that take some tension out of the party? Belinda's making it through the party, at least. We know that.
That's true.

Speaker 1 That's true. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Is Saxon?

Speaker 1 I don't know. Is Chloe?

Speaker 1 I'm very worried about Chloe. Same.

Speaker 1 Chloe's in trouble. How many partners can Greg have killed?

Speaker 1 Oh, the limit does not exist. Then again, how many people can be murdered at the white load? I mean,

Speaker 1 do do you think Tanya's fortune alone built that house, or did he have to kill many a wife in order to get a house that big? So we, she had like because he was already staying at the White Lotus.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. So he had some money.
Wow. Or he was pulling his research.
I don't know if BOM was really

Speaker 1 the Bureau of Land Management. Land management salary.
Yeah, I don't know if the land management was cranking it out. Oh, man.
He's also in,

Speaker 1 someone reminded me that in season two, Tanya's in like the diamond circle at the White Lotus, and he's in the diamond circle at the White Lotus as well. So maybe that's what

Speaker 1 they're in and out privilege. Good point.

Speaker 1 Did you want more from the Blenda sex scene? I forgot to ask you. Like just the cuddling in the next morning?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Didn't really check a lot of boxes.
These people have like, they've washed each other's feet. Yeah.
They cradled each other's bodies. They cradled each other in a gentle pool of water.

Speaker 1 I want to see them exploring every inch of each other. I don't know that I need Zion to see that, but I think that's a good idea.
From a sex standpoint, I guess.

Speaker 1 Positively chased other than Locky jerking off his brother. Well, and then Locky.
Imagine coming out of episode 6 and being like,

Speaker 1 Why is, yes, why is this such a

Speaker 1 prudish season? Yeah, other than Sam Rockwell's five and a half-minute uninterrupted monologue. It's been positively tame.

Speaker 1 Did you want to see more of Jacqueline and Valentin?

Speaker 1 We got the come hither and just a little slid in and then

Speaker 1 that's it. Michelle Monaghan and like doesn't really dabble in those waters.
So that was kind of, I was like, whoa, she's really going for it. Didn't really do it, though.

Speaker 1 Just had the excited look on her face, and that was about it. Two episodes left, guys.
Who's gonna fuck still? Predictions. Yeah, let's go.
What do you got? I think Zion.

Speaker 1 Zion will have sex, hopefully. Maybe Piper will be like this life's not for me.
Zion and Piper and that Zion Piper.

Speaker 1 That's interesting. And then they can go.
The siblings can go back to their water hat and their bowl.

Speaker 1 Seniors in college. We all had some action.
Same age. This vacation.

Speaker 1 Predictions. Are we creeped out? I mean, like,

Speaker 1 should we mention in and among the brotherly hand job, there's a fact that, like, you know, Locky is 18, but like just 18. How old is Chloe? You know, like.

Speaker 1 She likes the young ones, though. She likes watching their heartbeat.

Speaker 1 Let's be honest, Chloe's not a great person. No, it's all.
We like her, but I'm not.

Speaker 1 That's a fair point. Yeah.
And that's a fair point well made.

Speaker 1 Can we all do one wild prediction? Because

Speaker 1 I think my wildest one, and I don't even think it's that wild, but I really think Saxon's going to kill Locky with a fruit blender drink. Intentionally? Yes.

Speaker 1 I think he's going to kill his brother.

Speaker 1 I don't think he's going to be able to deal with this. He's got this macho, whatever.
And I just feel like

Speaker 1 he needs to eliminate him so he doesn't think about this anymore. It's only the two of them know.
Chloe dies somehow. And then if he kills the brother, then nobody will remember this happened.

Speaker 1 The Saxon trying to maybe poison Locky with the smoothie has been on my mind too. I'm worried about that.

Speaker 1 The only thing is I thought, even though he was like, it's not a thing, it's definitely not a thing, his reaction to Chelsea and Chloe ultimately was, I thought, kind of like

Speaker 1 tame? Well, but like, like he was like, oh, God. Oh, because he wasn't doing that.
Like, you were worried about Saxon's rage

Speaker 1 instincts. He was more like rightfully so, disturbed, scared, ashamed.
Yeah. You know, so I think that could lead him to violence.

Speaker 1 Could it be a Saxon preparing the fruit blender drink for Lockheed, but then someone else drinks it? That's in play, too. I don't know.
I just feel like there's

Speaker 1 the fruit and the blender. Poison fruit, wrong person, drinks it.
I agree.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So I have that one.
We're going to hear from the Russians again. Okay.
No question. That's their fight.
Okay, wait, wait, wait. We still think Guy Tok's going to see the robbers at the fight.

Speaker 1 I need to go back to Tim. Yeah.
Yeah. Tim drinks it.
Tim does get off scot-free, like finds out from his phone that everything's fine. And then finds out one of the kids is dead.

Speaker 1 And then drinks the poison blender anyway, just by accident. That'd be great.
That would be great.

Speaker 1 And then he dies, but as he dies, we see the crashing waves again, and it's just a drop into the ocean. Or Vicki drinks it, and it just doesn't phase her at all.
She's fine.

Speaker 1 She chugs the whole thing. Cody didn't largely wags with the body sushi and billions, built up a tolerance.
It sobers her up. Yeah.
Wow. So, all right.
So, death rankings. Who would you have won?

Speaker 1 I mean, we got another bad luck comes in threes from Chelsea. All of the lingering looks on the guns on Alex.

Speaker 1 I hope they're okay.

Speaker 1 Hmm.

Speaker 1 I mean, I think Chloe, we have to be concerned, right? Though I will say, if Rick's got to die, if Rick gets shot and dies, that red suit, that white suit with the red, it's going to be awesome.

Speaker 1 It would be beautiful.

Speaker 1 So if Rick dies in this next episode and Chelsea loves Rick and she'll be like on a...

Speaker 1 grief tour of white lotuses for the next four seasons, or like trying to find out like more info and trying to blow it up, basically. Greg Gary, Greg Gary dies.
I hope so. I really hope so.

Speaker 1 I think Rick is going to be okay. Who gets the house? Chloe.
Hopefully, Amrita. Amazing.
We have two. Can Chloe get the house? For the finale.
Think about it. Chloe ends up with the house.

Speaker 1 That's a good outcome. Maybe Chelsea lives there grieving dead Rick.
Oh, okay. I want Rick to be okay, and I want him to embrace Amrita's lesson to him.

Speaker 1 I really, I hope that, I hope that that happens. I hope that I think our guy Gaggin signed up for one season.
Please kill me at the end. Can I have a white suit on? Cool Harrison Ford.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You guys, like, I don't think we'll agree because you're more disciplined and you believe rightly that television episodes should be a certain length and seasons should be a certain length.

Speaker 1 The fact that we've now had a couple of the half day, you know, in tonight is separate episodes. I want the next White Lotus season to be 14 episodes.

Speaker 1 I would watch every second of it and I would do it gladly and I would love it. Yeah, we're different.

Speaker 1 I need more. Same but different.
I am following my desire to the point of pleasure and I will find pain, but I'm going to keep doing it anyway.

Speaker 1 So do you say there was like this White Lotus four seasons collaboration?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Should we get ropes? What would Mike, what would HBO do if Mike White's like, I've written season four. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Not doing it unless I get, we're 50-50 on all this stuff going forward because I didn't get cut in. Nobody knew this was going to be the show that kept going.

Speaker 1 I don't have to make season four. I'm good.

Speaker 1 One some Emmys did great, made some money. You're cutting me in now, or you're not getting season four.
I'm going to hijack it from you. You tell us what would happen.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 I just, what would HBO? I don't know what the contract is because does he own White Lotus? I don't know. Or does HBO own White Lotus? And can they make it without Hotel?

Speaker 1 I'm just always interested in this because like Yellowstone had, they do like the steakhouse now, like the 666 steakhouse is like a pop-up steakhouse. Or the four sixes.
Oh, you want four sixes?

Speaker 1 Thanks.

Speaker 1 Whatever. You want Mike White to see some of that coffee made money.
I just don't know.

Speaker 1 When a show turns into something else like this,

Speaker 1 do you see he still has some say and some power? And this show, I think this season's been, I think, in the running for biggest audience they've had.

Speaker 1 It's like a little power, Mike White. Hey, Mike White.
How long are we we going to have to wait for the next season? Oh, my God. Two years at least.
They make them pretty quickly, though.

Speaker 1 Well, I'll be dead by then. That'll be it.
We'll be our last White Lotus. Are we going to Greg Gary's party?

Speaker 1 We should be underwater.

Speaker 1 Last one was 2023, right?

Speaker 1 That was the last season of White Lotus. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because 21, 23, 25. Yeah.
Two years.

Speaker 1 Last question. Who's your MVP through six episodes? Jason Isaacs.
I agree. Amy Lou, close second, I think.

Speaker 1 Jason Isaacs really your MVP? Yeah. Parker Posey also in the running.
Honestly, they've been so good. They've all been great.

Speaker 1 I think Chelsea is my MVP. Yeah, she's been amazing.
And I would say for

Speaker 1 sidekick MVP is Parker Posey. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But I also think... On the comedy front, it's obviously Parker Posey.
I think what Schwarzenegger is doing with that character is really good. I think I agree.

Speaker 1 He's a genuinely good actor. I think he's great.
He's really good.

Speaker 1 I was trying to think of other people. Like, if that had been Jake Lacey in that part, I don't know if he's able to pull it off the same way.
Hungover Saxon was truly phenomenal. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Really good stuff. Great stuff.
All right. That's it.
Well, Prestige TV,

Speaker 1 you're doing your deep dive with Rob.

Speaker 1 We'll be able to watch that on Ringer Dash TV, YouTube, plus as a video pod on Spotify. Correct.

Speaker 1 And I'll see you next week, hopefully. Thanks to the crew for producing, as always.

Speaker 1 White Lotus. Pleasure.
Delight, truly.